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ead of 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT).

I've e-maied Henrik to let him know.  I presume that if you "subscribe" to =
the online version it'll fix itself at some point.

Ray


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On 27 Jun 2011, at 13:25, Ray Bellis wrote:

> The ICS files for IETF-81 from tools.ietf.org have the wrong TZ in them -=
 they're still set for Prague.
>=20
> So, for example, DNSOP is listed as being at 11:00 UTC on Monday 25th, in=
stead of 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT).
>=20
> I've e-maied Henrik to let him know.  I presume that if you "subscribe" t=
o the online version it'll fix itself at some point.

This now appears to be fixed.

Ray


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On 27 Jun 2011, at 13:25, Ray Bellis wrote:

> The ICS files for IETF-81 from tools.ietf.org have the wrong TZ in them -=
 they're still set for Prague.
>=20
> So, for example, DNSOP is listed as being at 11:00 UTC on Monday 25th, in=
stead of 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT).
>=20
> I've e-maied Henrik to let him know.  I presume that if you "subscribe" t=
o the online version it'll fix itself at some point.

This now appears to be fixed.

Ray


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I was complaining to my friend Isabelle Dalmasso that there was no easy tool to
manage a customized agenda during the IETF meeting so she wrote an Android app
doing exactly this.  You can install it from the Android Market, by using this
URL or the attached QR code:

http://market.android.com/details?id=org.dalmasso.ietfsched

The app itself was built upon the app Google released for their own Google I/O
conference.  That app was subsequently released as open source. The app is using
the data available on the IETF web site, but because there is no API available
for this kind of application, there is some restrictions on what can be done.

Please try it and send us your feedback, either on the Market or directly.

Enjoy!

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	It is not what you are looking for, but I used:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/calendar

	Quite simple, download as ical and done. No details about the =
session but for me is ok for now.

Regards,
-as

On 27 Jun 2011, at 16:48, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:

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because there is no API available<br>for this kind of application, there =
is some restrictions on what can be done.<br><br>Please try it and send =
us your feedback, either on the Market or =
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On 06/27/2011 01:49 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
> 
> It is not what you are looking for, but I used:
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/calendar
> 
> Quite simple, download as ical and done. No details about the session but for me
> is ok for now.

The Android app is IMO easier to use, especially if like me you do not want the
distraction of a laptop during the sessions.

> 
> Regards,
> -as
> 
> On 27 Jun 2011, at 16:48, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> 
> I was complaining to my friend Isabelle Dalmasso that there was no easy tool to
> manage a customized agenda during the IETF meeting so she wrote an Android app
> doing exactly this.  You can install it from the Android Market, by using this
> URL or the attached QR code:
> 
> http://market.android.com/details?id=org.dalmasso.ietfsched
> 
> The app itself was built upon the app Google released for their own Google I/O
> conference.  That app was subsequently released as open source. The app is using
> the data available on the IETF web site, but because there is no API available
> for this kind of application, there is some restrictions on what can be done.
> 
> Please try it and send us your feedback, either on the Market or directly.
> 

- -- 
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Professional email: petithug@acm.org
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Hi All,

Could you let me know some cheap hotels (<150USD) nearby or public
transportation friendly, for IETF81.

-- 
Best regards,
Zhen

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And ported to the iPhone?  :-)



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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote:

> One quick question - is this a throw-away application, i.e. only 
> good for Quebec, or something that could automatically be updated, 
> e.g. for Taiwan?
> 

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Hi=20

I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the meeting.

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http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-charest.en.html?aid=3D311076;label=3D=
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On Jun 28, 2011, at 08:23 , Zhen Cao wrote:

> Hi All,
>=20
> Could you let me know some cheap hotels (<150USD) nearby or public
> transportation friendly, for IETF81.
>=20
> --=20
> Best regards,
> Zhen
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On 2011-06-28 03:01, Luigi Iannone wrote:
> I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the meeting.
>
> http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-charest.en.html?aid=311076;label=manoir-charest-KrypcsLpHaTpL5RzjSXonQS7354336740;ws=&gclid=CN3I17-D2KkCFUK_zAodaA31Hg

It is indeed walking distance, but you need to take the hill into 
account. It is at the bottom while the meeting venue is on top of the 
hill. But bus service in that area is very convenient.

(I think we'll be hearing a lot about the hill and the stairs on this 
mailing list once people start climbing them... *grin*)

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>>>>> "Marc" == Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> writes:
    Marc> I was complaining to my friend Isabelle Dalmasso that there
    Marc> was no easy tool to manage a customized agenda during the IETF
    Marc> meeting so she wrote an Android app doing exactly this.  You
    Marc> can install it from the Android Market, by using this URL or
    Marc> the attached QR code:

Thanks for this, I'm installing it.

As for the API, the tools folks were making ICS files available
with the schedule before.  I wonder if that isn't more than enough API
to solve the problem?  
Given the restrictions on what you can get, will you get updates on room
or time changes? 

I noticed for 80, that the generation of the ical feed was either gone
or not obvious.  


As a frequent remote participant,  I also wouldn't mind if this app
could find the appropriate audio channel for me, and... well... play
it... and also... join the jabber room :-)

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> I noticed for 80, that the generation of the ical feed was either gone
> or not obvious.  

Well, it's at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/calendar

I think that the link on the left eluded me, because there was a link
from http://trac.tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/ before to it.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Michael Richardson wrote:

> Thanks for this, I'm installing it.
>
> As for the API, the tools folks were making ICS files available
> with the schedule before.  I wonder if that isn't more than enough API
> to solve the problem?
> Given the restrictions on what you can get, will you get updates on room
> or time changes?
>
> I noticed for 80, that the generation of the ical feed was either gone
> or not obvious.
>
>
> As a frequent remote participant,  I also wouldn't mind if this app
> could find the appropriate audio channel for me, and... well... play
> it... and also... join the jabber room :-)

A mobile website would be even better then a specific platform app.

and don't forget the stream of inline #ietfXX :)

Paul

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On 28 Jun 2011, at 16:39, Paul Wouters wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Michael Richardson wrote:
>=20
>> Thanks for this, I'm installing it.
>>=20
>> As for the API, the tools folks were making ICS files available
>> with the schedule before.  I wonder if that isn't more than enough =
API
>> to solve the problem?
>> Given the restrictions on what you can get, will you get updates on =
room
>> or time changes?
>>=20
>> I noticed for 80, that the generation of the ical feed was either =
gone
>> or not obvious.
>>=20
>> As a frequent remote participant,  I also wouldn't mind if this app
>> could find the appropriate audio channel for me, and... well... play
>> it... and also... join the jabber room :-)
>=20
> A mobile website would be even better then a specific platform app.
>=20
> and don't forget the stream of inline #ietfXX :)

Providing the meeting data as open data (RDF) would be ideal... or is =
that the case already?

Tim=

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> Could you let me know some cheap hotels (<150USD) nearby or public
> transportation friendly, for IETF81.

Laval University rents rooms in its dormitories for about $60/night. 
Friends of mine stayed there for a conference a few years ago and said 
they were quite adequate.  There is frequent bus service between the 
campus and the conference centre.

Reservations: http://www.residences.ulaval.ca/hebergement_hotelier/

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On 06/28/2011 08:16 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>>>>> "Marc" == Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> writes:
>     Marc> I was complaining to my friend Isabelle Dalmasso that there
>     Marc> was no easy tool to manage a customized agenda during the IETF
>     Marc> meeting so she wrote an Android app doing exactly this.  You
>     Marc> can install it from the Android Market, by using this URL or
>     Marc> the attached QR code:
> 
> Thanks for this, I'm installing it.
> 
> As for the API, the tools folks were making ICS files available
> with the schedule before.  I wonder if that isn't more than enough API
> to solve the problem?  
> Given the restrictions on what you can get, will you get updates on room
> or time changes? 
> 
> I noticed for 80, that the generation of the ical feed was either gone
> or not obvious.  
> 
> 
> As a frequent remote participant,  I also wouldn't mind if this app
> could find the appropriate audio channel for me, and... well... play
> it... and also... join the jabber room :-)

Yes, and it is not just for remote participants.  On the last meeting I wanted
to see one specific presentation in one session but had to be in another session
at the same time.  By listening to the stream I could have switched rooms for
just the duration of this presentation.

- -- 
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> Date: Tue=2C 28 Jun 2011 09:31:21 -0700
> From: petithug@acm.org
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Hi,

I used google maps to find me a bed&breakfast near the venue. Good value:
http://www.petitroiquebec.com/

Christian

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> On 2011-06-28 03:01, Luigi Iannone wrote:
> > I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the meeting.
> >
> > http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-
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> It is indeed walking distance, but you need to take the hill into
> account. It is at the bottom while the meeting venue is on top of the
> hill. But bus service in that area is very convenient.
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> I used google maps to find me a bed&breakfast near the venue. Good value:
> http://www.petitroiquebec.com/

FYI, anything in Vieux Qu=C3=A9bec (Old Quebec) is walkable to the conventi=
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centre. Upper city is better than lower city for those of us with tired=20
knees.

R's,
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Hi all,

chiming in on this,

> > As a frequent remote participant,  I also wouldn't mind if this app
> > could find the appropriate audio channel for me, and... well... play
> > it... and also... join the jabber room :-)
> 
> Yes, and it is not just for remote participants.  On the last meeting I wanted
> to see one specific presentation in one session but had to be in another session
> at the same time.  By listening to the stream I could have switched rooms for
> just the duration of this presentation.
> 

At the latest IETF in Prague we provided remopte participation support for some meeting sessions, by means of a web interface which wrapped the proper jabber room together with synchronized presentation sharing and audio/video feed.

In Quebec City we'll basically do the same with a few improvements, but this time we'll also make available a native app for Android (1.6 as the minimum version), which will allow you to follow the jabber room, the slides and optionally the audio stream altogether. It should get on the market (for free of course) in the next few days, or next week at max, so I'll keep you posted.

We'll also try and make the iPhone app we have available as well, but can't promise anything :)

Lorenzo

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Hi Simon,

What's the bus fare?  Thank you

And I think people would like to try climbing and see what's the feeling is=
 :)

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Simon Perreault
<simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:
> On 2011-06-28 03:01, Luigi Iannone wrote:
>>
>> I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the meeting.
>>
>>
>> http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-charest.en.html?aid=3D311076;labe=
l=3Dmanoir-charest-KrypcsLpHaTpL5RzjSXonQS7354336740;ws=3D&gclid=3DCN3I17-D=
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>
> It is indeed walking distance, but you need to take the hill into account=
.
> It is at the bottom while the meeting venue is on top of the hill. But bu=
s
> service in that area is very convenient.
>
> (I think we'll be hearing a lot about the hill and the stairs on this
> mailing list once people start climbing them... *grin*)
>
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Le 11-06-28 22:23, Zhen Cao a écrit :
> Hi Simon,
>
> What's the bus fare?

one way: 2,75 $CDN.
one day pass: 6,85 $
ecolobus (within the old city): 1,00 $

Regards, Marc.

> Thank you
>
> And I think people would like to try climbing and see what's the feeling is :)
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Simon Perreault
> <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>  wrote:
>> On 2011-06-28 03:01, Luigi Iannone wrote:
>>>
>>> I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-charest.en.html?aid=311076;label=manoir-charest-KrypcsLpHaTpL5RzjSXonQS7354336740;ws=&gclid=CN3I17-D2KkCFUK_zAodaA31Hg
>>
>> It is indeed walking distance, but you need to take the hill into account.
>> It is at the bottom while the meeting venue is on top of the hill. But bus
>> service in that area is very convenient.
>>
>> (I think we'll be hearing a lot about the hill and the stairs on this
>> mailing list once people start climbing them... *grin*)
>>
>> Simon
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Le 11-06-28 22:28, Marc Blanchet a écrit :
> Le 11-06-28 22:23, Zhen Cao a écrit :
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> What's the bus fare?
>
> one way: 2,75 $CDN.
> one day pass: 6,85 $
> ecolobus (within the old city): 1,00 $
>

web site for the bus system:

http://www.rtcquebec.ca in french.

some of it is in english (mostly for tourist related sites):
http://www.rtcquebec.ca/NewCustomer/NewCustomer/tabid/272/Default.aspx

Google maps also have the bus routes.

Marc.

> Regards, Marc.
>
>> Thank you
>>
>> And I think people would like to try climbing and see what's the
>> feeling is :)
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Simon Perreault
>> <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2011-06-28 03:01, Luigi Iannone wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I find this one at ~125 USD per night walking distance from the
>>>> meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.booking.com/hotel/ca/manoir-charest.en.html?aid=311076;label=manoir-charest-KrypcsLpHaTpL5RzjSXonQS7354336740;ws=&gclid=CN3I17-D2KkCFUK_zAodaA31Hg
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is indeed walking distance, but you need to take the hill into
>>> account.
>>> It is at the bottom while the meeting venue is on top of the hill.
>>> But bus
>>> service in that area is very convenient.
>>>
>>> (I think we'll be hearing a lot about the hill and the stairs on this
>>> mailing list once people start climbing them... *grin*)
>>>
>>> Simon
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Zhen Cao <zehn.cao@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Could you let me know some cheap hotels (<150USD) nearby or public
> transportation friendly, for IETF81.

I used
http://www.bonjourquebec.com/

and looked for Old City locations (Vieux Quebec) to check out the
district. It looks close enough, though being peak season there the
price is rising...

I will also encourage folks to use the Hilton as it brings the overall
cost of facilities bookings down, and hence the overall conference
cost...


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> I will also encourage folks to use the Hilton as it brings the overall
> cost of facilities bookings down, and hence the overall conference
> cost...

it's past the block date, 22 june

randy

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Is there a chance that a new block could be opened ?

On 6/29/11 12:34 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> I will also encourage folks to use the Hilton as it brings the overall
>> cost of facilities bookings down, and hence the overall conference
>> cost...
> it's past the block date, 22 june
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Narelle wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Zhen Cao <zehn.cao@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Could you let me know some cheap hotels (<150USD) nearby or public
>> transportation friendly, for IETF81.
>
> I used
> http://www.bonjourquebec.com/

I booked Hotel Royal William at, which is 1km from the conference center:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=360+Boulevard+Charest+Est,+Quebec&daddr=900+Bd+Rene-Levesque+E,+Quebec,+QC+G1R+2B5,+Canada+(Quebec+City+Convention+Centre)&hl=en&geocode=FZJRygIdEDLB-ymrGax7cZa4TDE5rUoNggBZeQ%3BFV1BygId7FLB-yHydXPuBL8kdynPU-1v2JW4TDETBCKqydrm-A&mra=ltm&dirflg=w&sll=46.81144,-71.21993&sspn=0.006374,0.013797&ie=UTF8&ll=46.811457,-71.220567&spn=0.006374,0.013797&z=16

It's $129/night. Note their online booking totally failed for and locked up
even via expedia/hotels.com, so I ended up calling them (418) 521-4488.

> I will also encourage folks to use the Hilton as it brings the overall
> cost of facilities bookings down, and hence the overall conference
> cost...

At just under $250, it has to bring the cost down a LOT :(

Paul

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Hi,

this is not specifically IETF-related, but since you all have flight =
bookings, I'd like to ask you to test drive =
https://fit.nokia.com/lars/trescal/.

(This is a small hobby project that imports AMADEUS bookings into your =
PC and mobile calendars via iCal. I'm especially interested if it works =
and looks OK on different mobile devices.)

Thanks,
Lars=

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On 2011-06-28 22:23, Zhen Cao wrote:
> What's the bus fare?  Thank you

2,75$ when you pay in cash to the bus driver.

For more details: http://ietf81.ca/?page_id=59

> And I think people would like to try climbing and see what's the feeling is :)

Of course! There are even guided tours on the theme "the stairs of
Québec", so it's not all bad... ;)

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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/videos/?mediaid=944011
(only in French, sorry)

The ruins of the old French fort beneath the current château Frontenac
have been cleaned up recently and are open to the public since
yesterday. Entrance is free. It's an interesting 15-minute visit under
the terrasse Dufferin. You'll find it easily next to the statue of
Samuel de Champlain (founder of the city). Open everyday from 10:00 to
17:00.

Much more information for the historically inclined...
English: http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/lhn-nhs/qc/saintlouisforts/index.aspx
French: http://www.pc.gc.ca/fra/lhn-nhs/qc/saintlouisforts/index.aspx

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Only 23 days until the Quebec City IETF!
Register online at: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/81/

Thursday Lunchtime Speaker Series

Topic: From Number Theory to Curves: The Advancement of Public-Key Cryptography

Speaker:
  Scott A. Vanstone PhD, FRSC
  Vice President Cryptographic Research
  Research in Motion
  Distinguished Professor Emeritus
  University of Waterloo

Logistics:
  Room 205 ABC
  Thursday, 28 July 2011
  Time: 12:00 - 12:45
  Lunch will NOT be served.

Brief description of topic:
This talk will provide a brief history of commercially viable public-key cryptography. 

Dr. Vanstone will begin with a human interest story of the connection between the 
University of Waterloo and the very famous code breaking facility at Bletchley Park 
in England where ciphers such as Enigma and Lorentz were broken.

The concept of public-key cryptography was first discussed in the open literature in 
the 1975 seminal paper "New Directions in Cryptography" written by Whitfield Diffie 
and Martin Hellman. Although the idea was clear, they had no example which exhibited 
all of the functionality proposed. Shortly after, in 1977, Rivest, Shamir and Adleman 
found a practical realization based on number theory which showed that what Diffie 
and Hellman had hypothesized was in fact possible and, in particular, that digital 
signatures could be created. This method is now well known as the RSA scheme. The 
security of the RSA scheme appears to rest on the difficulty of factoring large 
integers and a problem of interest to number theorists.

In 1985 Koblitz and Miller independently discovered Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC). 
ECC provides all of the functionality of the RSA scheme but does it more efficiently 
in both bandwidth and computing power. ECC is ideally suited to constrained 
environments and, in many instances, is the only public-key system that will work here. 
The security of ECC schemes appears to rest on the difficulty of computing discrete 
logarithms on elliptic curves. 

Dr. Vanstone will discuss these systems from their inception to the present day.

Bio of Speaker:
Dr. Vanstone was the founder of Certicom and oversaw all research, which generated 
over 300 patents for the company. After Research in Motion's acquisition of Certicom, 
he joined RIM's Advanced Technology group. Dr. Vanstone is also a Distinguished 
Professor Emeritus of Mathematics and Computer Science at the University of Waterloo. 
Dr. Vanstone devotes much of his research to the efficient implementation of the 
elliptic curve cryptography (ECC) for the provision of information security services 
in handheld computers, smart cards, wireless devices, and integrated circuits. 

Vanstone has published more than 200 research papers and a number of books on topics 
such as cryptography, coding theory, finite fields, finite geometry, and combinatorial 
designs. He is a co-author of the Handbook of Applied Cryptography and A Guide to 
Elliptic Curve Cryptography. Dr. Vanstone held the NSERC/Pitney Bowes Senior Chair of 
Cryptography at the University of Waterloo for eleven years and is the Executive 
Director of the Centre for Applied Cryptographic Research also at Waterloo.

He was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, Academy of Sciences in 1998 and 
received the University of Waterloo Award for Excellence in Research in 2004. In 2009 
Dr. Vanstone received the Ontario Premier's Catalyst Award for Lifetime Achievement in 
Innovation. Also in 2009 he retired from the University of Waterloo after 35 years on 
faculty and was awarded Distinguished Professor Emeritus.

Scott Vanstone has a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Waterloo.

