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Over at OneDM, we just discussed we should have a kick-off for the ASDF =
hackathon work this week in 54 minutes from now, i.e. 1600Z.  Sorry for =
the short notice, but we needed to coordinate the timing...

I made a Webex for that, please see below.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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And I made a codimd:

https://codimd.ietf.org/hackathon-ietf-109-asdf

Please type in your thoughts, preferably start before the meeting

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> On 2020-11-09, at 16:06, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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> Over at OneDM, we just discussed we should have a kick-off for the =
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for the short notice, but we needed to coordinate the timing...
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> I made a Webex for that, please see below.
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> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
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Subject: [Asdf] sdfInputData: from an array to a map and then to just a data schema (dataqualities) item?
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Yesterday, at the hackathon, we had a discussion about sdfInputData.

In SDF 1.0, this is an array of JSON pointers (to sdfData items, i.e. =
=E2=80=9Ctypes=E2=80=9D (data schema definitions, which are called =
=C2=BBdataqualities=C2=AB in the current syntax)).

          "sdfInputData": [
            =
"#/sdfObject/OnOff/sdfAction/OffWithEffect/sdfData/EffectIdentifier",=20
            =
"#/sdfObject/OnOff/sdfAction/OffWithEffect/sdfData/EffectVariant"
          ],

(Note that this is not an array at the data schema definition level; it =
is an array at the specification syntax level.  One has to be very =
careful about these distinctions in a specification language that uses =
JSON both as the generic data model as well as the representation =
language for the specification itself.)

There are two problems with this:

=E2=80=94 the input parameters are just typed, but not named.  It can =
get confusing very quickly if the same type is used for multiple =
parameters.

The above is a bit like

  void OffWithEffect(EffectIdentifier, EffectVariant)

which works as long as the types happen to be descriptive of the =
parameters.
But, in, say:

          "sdfInputData": [
            "#/sdfData/Channelvalue",=20
            "#/sdfData/Channelvalue",=20
            "#/sdfData/Channelvalue",=20
          ],

which of these is R, G, or B?

=E2=80=94 there is some ceremony here in requiring setting up separate =
sdfData items and then pointing to them; we don=E2=80=99t require those =
for (SDF) properties (which can define their types inline).

So we came up with replacing the array of pointers with a map, and using =
data schema definitions (dataqualities) as values in the map =E2=80=94 =
if a reference is indeed required, that can be put in as sdfRef.
So, in the example, if an sdfRef were actually desirable, this becomes:

          "sdfInputData": {
            identifier: {
              sdfRef: =E2=80=9C#/.../EffectIdentifier"
            },
            variant: {
              sdfRef: =E2=80=9C#/.../EffectVariant"
            }
          },

Which is more like

  void OffWithEffect(identifier: EffectIdentifier, variant: =
EffectVariant)

Great.
Now this is where the discussion derailed and then time ran out.
It was noted that an sdfInputData now superficially looked like a map =
(sure, its specification is represented as a map at the specification =
syntax level) and, once we start supporting complex types in SDF (this =
is where the discussion derailed) we could use json-schema.org=E2=80=99s =
=C2=BBtype: object=C2=AB to specify this map:

          "sdfInputData": {
            type: object,
            properties: {
              identifier: {
                sdfRef: =E2=80=9C#/.../EffectIdentifier"
              },
              variant: {
                sdfRef: =E2=80=9C#/.../EffectVariant"
              }
            }
          },

This is the equivalent of always having to build a structure to supply =
multiple parameters:

  void OffWithEffect(struct {
      identifier: EffectIdentifier, variant: EffectVariant
    }
  )

Of course, once we do this, there is no reason to only allow =C2=BBtype: =
object=C2=AB here, so people could use integers, arrays, =E2=80=A6 there =
as well.

Is this really the direction we want to go?
I=E2=80=99m not aware of any programming language that only ever can =
supply a single parameter to a procedure call.  Actions are not exactly =
procedure calls, but I still think the analogy holds well.

On the other hand, protocol bindings such as that to CoAP=E2=80=99s =
FETCH could directly pick up the map (=C2=BBtype: object=C2=AB) as the =
request body, so this may seem natural to some.

(Behind this is the related complex data discussion, issue #4: We =
avoided introducing =C2=BBtype: object=C2=AB into SDF 1.0 because we =
wanted to understand where aggregation is needed and whether that always =
is appropriately described as aggregation on the data schema level, or =
whether we would be better off with aggregation at the SDF structural =
level.  The above goes into the direction of offloading more of the =
aggregation into data schema level land, which may be the lazy thing to =
do, but also may be missing some opportunities.  In the extreme, why =
don=E2=80=99t we define an entire sdfThing as a =C2=BBtype: object=C2=AB =
then?)

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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I have now put in the pointer checker into the CI of the exploratory =
repo.
The universe currently is exactly that repo (i.e., all *.sdf.json files =
in there).
You can, of course, manually call the pointer checker on a larger or =
smaller universe (see run.sh for how).

I have fixed all the reference problems in the repo, except one, where I =
have no idea what was intended.

The travis-CI build (*) is currently queued, but here is a sneak peak of =
the output of the checker:

---
:missing:
- :ref: =
https://onedm.org/exploratory/#/sdfProduct/SKU_19934774/sdfObject/>>3300~1=
0<<
  :fn: "./strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfthing-ipsoVacGauge.sdf.json=E2=80=9D

This is a terse way of saying that=20

strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfthing-ipsoVacGauge.sdf.json

is trying to reference (curie expanded):

=
https://onedm.org/exploratory/#/sdfProduct/SKU_19934774/sdfObject/3300~10

All the tree except the last entry in the path is there, so that is =
marked in the message with >> <<:

=
https://onedm.org/exploratory/#/sdfProduct/SKU_19934774/sdfObject/>>3300~1=
0<<

(It could also say that we have HighRangeSensor and LowRangeSensor but =
not 3300~10, but that would be bordering on catering to the weak.)

See you tomorrow/tonight!

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

(*) =
https://travis-ci.org/github/one-data-model/exploratory/builds/743296587
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I created an sdf-1-1.cddl in branch "1-1" in =
https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF"

https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/blob/1-1/sdf-1-1.cddl

Note that strawman-examples/CAP/sdfobject-motion-sensor.sdf.json still =
contains a 1.0 style sdfOutputData:

      "sdfEvent": {
        "stateChange": {=20
          "sdfOutputData" : [ "#/sdfData/activityState"]
        }
      }

(Which validates with the new CDDL as =E2=80=9C1.0=E2=80=9D.)

strawman-examples/Bluetooth-Mesh/sdfdata-sensorstate.sdf.json has a =
weird =E2=80=9Cproperties=E2=80=9D value that seems to try being a =
compound type:

      "properties": {
        "SensorDataType": {
          "type": "array",=20
          "items": [
            {
              "type": "array",=20
              "items": [
                {
                  "sdfRef": "#/sdfData/PropertyIdType"
                },=20
                {
                  "sdfRef": =
"#/sdfData/SensorData/properties/SensorDataRawValueType"
                }
              ]
            }
          ]
        },=20

There was also a minumum and a Funciton in exploraty; I have repaired =
those.

To be fixed:

strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfproperty-generic.sdf.json
** Features potentially used: subtype-ext: ["float=E2=80=9D]

Is this a proposal?

strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfthing-ipsoVacGauge.sdf.json
** Features potentially used: thing-ext: ["productTypeListing=E2=80=9D]

We probably should discuss which of the following are fluff and which =
are actual proposals:

strawman-examples/OCF/sdfthing-ocf-airflowcontrol.sdf.json
** Features potentially used: object-ext: ["semanticTag", "name"], =
thing-ext: ["name"], data-ext: ["sdfEnum", "name=E2=80=9D],

(I think we replaced =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Clabel=E2=80=9D, =
no?)

This is at the wrong level (these should be parallel to =E2=80=9Citems=E2=80=
=9D, not nested in them:
items-ext: ["minItems", "uniqueItems=E2=80=9D]


Do we want the data quality to be =E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cunits=
=E2=80=9D?
(I have changed this to =E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D for 1.1 =E2=80=94 a bit =
of Brownian motion, maybe, but a good opportunity to fix this.)

There is also a =E2=80=9CscaleUnit=E2=80=9D in =
strawman-examples/ZCL/sdfobject-onoff-v7.sdf.json; is that the same as =
=E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D or something different?

There are also a few sdfEnums I haven=E2=80=99t examined more closely.

The playground validates as =E2=80=9C1.0=E2=80=9D with the new CDDL.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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On 2020-11-13, at 15:21, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>=20
> I created an sdf-1-1.cddl in branch "1-1" in =
https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF"
>=20
> https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/blob/1-1/sdf-1-1.cddl

And here is a narrated diff:

This is a new production that goes into what was pointer-lists in 1.0 =
and are dataqualities (our extended version of json-schema.org) now in =
1.1:

62a63,66
> parameter-list =3D
>   pointer-list .feature "1.0" /
>   dataqualities .feature "1.1"  ; cddl-tool currently blurts out the =
value

(The comment points out a missing feature of =E2=80=9C.feature=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=94 can=E2=80=99t suppress a diagnostic output of the actual =
value, which is distracting here.)

This parameter-list is now used for sdfInputData (actions) and =
sdfOutputData (actions, events).
Note that sdfRequiredInputData is now deprecated in 1.1 (use required in =
the data qualities); I didn=E2=80=99t catch that one in the CDDL.

65c69
<  ? sdfInputData: pointer-list   ; sdfRequiredInputData applies here (a =
bit redundant)
---
>  ? sdfInputData: parameter-list   ; sdfRequiredInputData applies here =
(a bit redundant)
67c71
<  ? sdfOutputData: pointer-list  ; sdfRequired applies here
---
>  ? sdfOutputData: parameter-list  ; sdfRequired applies here
74c78
<  ? sdfOutputData: pointer-list  ; sdfRequired applies here
---
>  ? sdfOutputData: parameter-list  ; sdfRequired applies here


Trying to correct the =E2=80=9Cunits=E2=80=9D typo:

82c86,87
<  ? units: text
---
>  ? ("units" .feature "1.0") =3D> text
>  ? ("unit" .feature "1.1") =3D> text

Addition to =E2=80=9Callowed-types=E2=80=9D (e.g., value after =
=E2=80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D:):

96a102
>               / {* text =3D> any}

Define a group for compound type.
I started to make use of co-occurrence here, so =E2=80=9Crequired=E2=80=9D=
 and =E2=80=9Cproperties=E2=80=9D can only occur if type=3Dobject.  (I =
will hate having done this when I update the CDDL-to-json-schema.org =
converter for this; json-schema.org cannot do that.)

98a105,110
> compound-type =3D (
>   "type" =3D> ("object" .feature "1.1"),
>   ? required: [+text],
>   ? properties: named<dataqualities>,
> )
>=20

Use the compound type in dataqualities:

100,101c112,115
<  ? type: "number" / "string" / "boolean" / "integer" / "array" ; / =
"object"
<            / (text .feature "type-ext")                       ; =
EXTENSION-POINT
---
>  ? (("type" =3D> "number" / "string" / "boolean" / "integer" / =
"array")
>     // compound-type
>     // (type: text .feature "type-ext")                       ; =
EXTENSION-POINT
>    )

Same in the nested =E2=80=9Citems=E2=80=9D:

128,129c142,145
<      ? type: "number" / "string" / "boolean" / "integer" ; no "array" =
/ "object"
<            / (text .feature "itemtype-ext")                       ; =
EXTENSION-POINT
---
>      ? ((type: "number" / "string" / "boolean" / "integer") ; no =
"array"
>         // compound-type
>         // (type: text .feature "itemtype-ext")                       =
; EXTENSION-POINT
>        )

Comments welcome.
=E2=80=9CSee=E2=80=9D you all in half an hour=E2=80=A6

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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I just merged a PR to fix most of these

> On Nov 13, 2020, at 6:21 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>=20
> I created an sdf-1-1.cddl in branch "1-1" in =
https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF"
>=20
> https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/blob/1-1/sdf-1-1.cddl
>=20
> Note that strawman-examples/CAP/sdfobject-motion-sensor.sdf.json still =
contains a 1.0 style sdfOutputData:
>=20
>      "sdfEvent": {
>        "stateChange": {=20
>          "sdfOutputData" : [ "#/sdfData/activityState"]
>        }
>      }
>=20
Fixed=20
> (Which validates with the new CDDL as =E2=80=9C1.0=E2=80=9D.)
>=20
> strawman-examples/Bluetooth-Mesh/sdfdata-sensorstate.sdf.json has a =
weird =E2=80=9Cproperties=E2=80=9D value that seems to try being a =
compound type:
>=20
>      "properties": {
>        "SensorDataType": {
>          "type": "array",=20
>          "items": [
>            {
>              "type": "array",=20
>              "items": [
>                {
>                  "sdfRef": "#/sdfData/PropertyIdType"
>                },=20
>                {
>                  "sdfRef": =
"#/sdfData/SensorData/properties/SensorDataRawValueType"
>                }
>              ]
>            }
>          ]
>        },=20
>=20

This may need to be revised now. It's supposed to model the =
application-visible contents of the Bluetooth data record format.

> There was also a minumum and a Funciton in exploraty; I have repaired =
those.

Thanks!
>=20
> To be fixed:
>=20
> strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfproperty-generic.sdf.json
> ** Features potentially used: subtype-ext: ["float=E2=80=9D]
>=20
Removed
> Is this a proposal?
>=20
> strawman-examples/IPSO/sdfthing-ipsoVacGauge.sdf.json
> ** Features potentially used: thing-ext: ["productTypeListing=E2=80=9D]
>=20
Removed
> We probably should discuss which of the following are fluff and which =
are actual proposals:
>=20
> strawman-examples/OCF/sdfthing-ocf-airflowcontrol.sdf.json
> ** Features potentially used: object-ext: ["semanticTag", "name"], =
thing-ext: ["name"], data-ext: ["sdfEnum", "name=E2=80=9D],
>=20
> (I think we replaced =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Clabel=E2=80=9D=
, no?)
>=20
Replaced all "name" with "label"

> This is at the wrong level (these should be parallel to =E2=80=9Citems=E2=
=80=9D, not nested in them:
> items-ext: ["minItems", "uniqueItems=E2=80=9D]
>=20
Oops... fixed
>=20
> Do we want the data quality to be =E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9Cunits=E2=80=9D?
> (I have changed this to =E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D for 1.1 =E2=80=94 a bit =
of Brownian motion, maybe, but a good opportunity to fix this.)
>=20
Unit is good

> There is also a =E2=80=9CscaleUnit=E2=80=9D in =
strawman-examples/ZCL/sdfobject-onoff-v7.sdf.json; is that the same as =
=E2=80=9Cunit=E2=80=9D or something different?
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I think we can use unit here and figure out some scale modeling that =
makes sense like powers of 10

> There are also a few sdfEnums I haven=E2=80=99t examined more closely.
>=20
> The playground validates as =E2=80=9C1.0=E2=80=9D with the new CDDL.
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This draft is a work item of the A Semantic Definition Format for Data and Interactions of Things WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interactions of Things
        Authors         : Michael Koster
                          Carsten Bormann
	Filename        : draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-00.txt
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	Date            : 2020-11-14

Abstract:
   The Semantic Definition Format (SDF) is a format for domain experts
   to use in the creation and maintenance of data and interaction models
   in the Internet of Things.  It was created as a common language for
   use in the development of the One Data Model liaison organization
   (OneDM) definitions.  Tools convert this format to database formats
   and other serializations as needed.

   An SDF specification describes definitions of SDF Objects and their
   associated interactions (Events, Actions, Properties), as well as the
   Data types for the information exchanged in those interactions.

   A JSON format representation of SDF 1.0 is defined in this document.

   (This is a republication of draft-onedm-t2trg-sdf-00 as an IETF ASDF
   Working Group document, with no technical changes, a superfluous
   figure removed, and some tool version induced reformatting.)


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        Title           : Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interactions of Things
        Authors         : Michael Koster
                          Carsten Bormann
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Abstract:
   The Semantic Definition Format (SDF) is a format for domain experts
   to use in the creation and maintenance of data and interaction models
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   use in the development of the One Data Model liaison organization
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I quickly typed in what I think the results of last week=E2=80=99s =
hackathon were, i.e. pretty much resolution on issue #3 and lots of =
progress on issue #4.

Lots of small editorial fixes, too.

I apologize for not having had the time to fix the CDDL-to-jso converter =
to somehow handle co-occurrence constraints expressed as group choices =
(which will probably blow up the jso further), so no appendix B today.  =
Certainly, the CDDL could use more in the way of co-occurrence, as =
indicated by the slightly revamped Table 4.

Continuing the resolution of #4 (with an eye on #3):
The remaining use of =E2=80=9Cpointer lists=E2=80=9D is sdfRequired.  Do =
we understand when that is being used vs. the =E2=80=9Crequired=E2=80=9D =
quality of =C2=BBtype: object=C2=AB sets of data qualities?

(I believe sdfRef is exactly what it should be; however, see my new =
issue https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/issues/7 for a detail we need =
to nail down.)

On to issue 2 and 5.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



> On 2020-11-15, at 23:51, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the A Semantic Definition Format for Data =
and Interactions of Things WG of the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and =
Interactions of Things
>        Authors         : Michael Koster
>                          Carsten Bormann
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 35
> 	Date            : 2020-11-15
>=20
> Abstract:
>   The Semantic Definition Format (SDF) is a format for domain experts
>   to use in the creation and maintenance of data and interaction =
models
>   in the Internet of Things.  It was created as a common language for
>   use in the development of the One Data Model liaison organization
>   (OneDM) definitions.  Tools convert this format to database formats
>   and other serializations as needed.
>=20
>   An SDF specification describes definitions of SDF Objects and their
>   associated interactions (Events, Actions, Properties), as well as =
the
>   Data types for the information exchanged in those interactions.
>=20
>   A JSON format representation of SDF 1.0 was defined in the previous
>   (-00) version of this document.  SDF 1.1 is expected to be defined =
in
>   a future version; the present document represents a draft on the way
>   from 1.0 to 1.1.  Hence, this is not an implementation draft.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-asdf-sdf/
>=20
> There is also an HTML version available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-01.html
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> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-asdf-sdf-01
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>=20
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =
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There will be an ASDF WG meeting today.
While we do not require people to have read all the drafts (i.e., the =
one we have), it is really useful if you know what SDF is about.

At the "Unofficial hallway meeting=E2=80=9D on 2020-10-12, we had a =
brief SDF tutorial.

I have distilled that into a 17-minute video: =
https://youtu.be/_8i6X4AxuOk=20

If you weren=E2=80=99t at the "Unofficial hallway meeting=E2=80=9D and =
haven=E2=80=99t seen the video yet, please do have a look.  There are =
two more breaks in today=E2=80=99s IETF that you can half-use to watch =
the video=E2=80=A6

If you have already done that (or after having done that), you might =
want to have a look at the github issues: =
https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/issues

Thank you!

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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As discussed at today's meeting, here is a doodle poll link for some times =
on
Dec. 14/15.  90 minute sessions starting on the hour.

You should be able to change it to your time zone by pushing a button.
It's a Yes/No/IfNeedBe.
IfNeedBe means you could move stuff around, or get up really early, but you=
'd prefer not to.

  https://doodle.com/poll/xbwnu88is4k7hsxz

Please answer by Nov. 27!

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Reminder to all,
Please reply to the doodle so we can schedule an interim in mid December.

Cheers,
Niklas


On 2020-11-17, 11:36, "ASDF" <asdf-bounces@ietf.org> wrote:



As discussed at today's meeting, here is a doodle poll link for some times =
on
Dec. 14/15.  90 minute sessions starting on the hour.

You should be able to change it to your time zone by pushing a button.
It's a Yes/No/IfNeedBe.
IfNeedBe means you could move stuff around, or get up really early, but you=
'd prefer not to.

  https://doodle.com/poll/xbwnu88is4k7hsxz

Please answer by Nov. 27!

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           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide




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As discussed at today's meeting, here is a doodle poll link for some times =
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Dec. 14/15.&nbsp; 90 minute sessions starting on the hour.<br>
<br>
You should be able to change it to your time zone by pushing a button.<br>
It's a Yes/No/IfNeedBe.<br>
IfNeedBe means you could move stuff around, or get up really early, but you=
'd prefer not to.<br>
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&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://doodle.com/poll/xbwnu88is4k7hsxz">https://doodle.=
com/poll/xbwnu88is4k7hsxz</a><br>
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Please answer by Nov. 27!<br>
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The A Semantic Definition Format for Data and Interactions of Things (asdf) WG will hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2020-12-14 from 09:00 to 10:30 America/Toronto (14:00 to 15:30 UTC).

Agenda:
# ASDF -- AGENDA for Virtual interim meeting

## Info

Meeting: ASDF WG, Virtual interim, 1400-1530 UTC, Dec 14th, 2020

Location: Webex 

Chairs: Michael Richardson and Niklas Widell 
  
Etherpad/CodiMD: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-asdf-2020-12-14

===========================


## Agenda

1. Note Well.  https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

2. Logistics for Meeting.

	2a. CodiMD for notes https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-asdf-2020-12-14

	2b. Webex TBD
	
	2c. Agenda bash


3. WG status update (Chairs - 10 min)				

	 3a. Welcome and discussion of WG proceedures

4. SDF 1.1

	4a. Issues
      
5. AOB?  

===========================

## Meeting material: 

draft-ietf-asdf-sdf https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-asdf-sdf/

SDF overview (from virtual interim) https://youtu.be/_8i6X4AxuOk (17 minutes)

===========================


Information about remote participation:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m0d089a7c8ac2d5a188c733c8107cb390

