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A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Bron Gondwana.

This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Applications and Real-Time Area

The meeting can be approved here: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2019-calext-02



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Working Group Name: Calendaring Extensions
Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area
Session Requester: Bron Gondwana

City: Philadelphia, PA
Country: US


Session 1:

Date: 2019-10-09
Start Time: 11:00 America/New_York
Duration: 01:00
Remote Participation Information: https://zoom.us/j/598343302
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The Calendaring Extensions (calext) Working Group will hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-09 from 11:00 to 12:00 America/New_York.

Agenda:

The virtual interim meeting will take place at the face-to-face CalConnect meeting in Philadelphia, PA. Those CALEXT  WG contributors not attending CalConnect, may connect to the joint meeting via zoom.

Full agenda TBD.  Discussion topics include:
* JSCalendar for scheduling
* Status of drafts

Information about remote participation:
https://zoom.us/j/598343302


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Hello,

RFC 6764 describes a bootstrapping function.  The input of the function is a mailto: or http(s): URL and the output is a
webaddress, towards which a current-user-principle request can be made.

Obviously, a CalDAV/CardDAV server can offer resources not only to authenticated users, but also to unauthenticated
ones.  

A supoptimal way to offer calendar resources to unauthenticated users is, to publish an iCalendar file, which users
download completly, whenever its ETag changes.

The bootstrapping function has the advantage, that it implies that updates are done over the WebDAV Collection
Synchronization protocol and for any domain, users can find in standard way of offered calendars (no need of
descriptions in HTML for advanced users).

How to perform the bootstrapping for unauthenticated users?

For mailto: URLs, these can be of the form @domain , for http urls, these can be without username, say 
https://caldav.example.org/ (the opposite would be https://user@caldav.example.org/).

A server supporting both authenticated and unauthenticated users will answer every query during the bootstrapping,
without ever returning 401.  Without seeing 401 clients do not know, which authentication schemas are supported and,
ofter, do not try to authenticate.  One way to find the available WWW-auth-mechanisms is to send invalid username as
Authorization, other possibilities are e.g. to send OPTIONS call and to include in its result the supported schemas.

RFC 7235 (HTTP/1.1: Authentication) permits authentication without waiting for 401 answer “ A user agent that wishes to
authenticate itself with an origin server -- usually, but not necessarily, after receiving a 401 (Unauthorized) -- can
do so by including an Authorization header field with the request.”.

So it is ultimately the user, who knows whether she wants to authenticate or not.

Does this need a separate internet draft?

Regards
  Дилян


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Hi Michael,
My appologies for the delay in checking this, but most of the blocking DISCUSS comments on this document were not addressed in your latest revision. Please review all comments on <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/ballot/>. Some section numbers have changed due to your changes in -14.

Best Regards,
Alexey


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On 6/26/19 10:41, Barry Leiba wrote:
>>>> — Section 10 —
>>>> It’s good to refer to RFC 3986 for URI-related security considerations, and all
>>>> of them do apply here.
>>>>
>>>> Something else that comes to mind that comes along with a set of new URIs is
>>>> whether they actually point to what they say they do.  I don’t see that there’s
>>>> any way to verify that they do, and I’m very skeptical about the effectiveness
>>>> of warning an end user about this sort of thing, for many reasons.  I can see
>>>> why allowing URIs is convenient and compelling, but I’m very heavily concerned
>>>> about tracking and other privacy leaks, malicious and deceptive content, and
>>>> other such problems, especially considering the prevalence of abusive calendar
>>>> invitations these days.
>>>>
>>>> I’m not sure what the answer is here, but let’s have a discussion about it and
>>>> see where we can go with it.

I'm not sure where to go with this one but I'd like to suggest it's not 
specific to the eventpub extensions spec.

I certainly agree there are a number of privacy and security concerns we 
should highlight but I'd rather see that done as a separate document 
which we can refer to in future. I think it's fair to say that the issue 
of tracking or following bogus URIs is not specific to this draft or to 
calendars in general. There are http headers, links in content etc etc.

I do think it's probably a good time to come up with at least a best 
practices document. There's also the privacy by design work going on in 
the ISO to which we can and probably should provide some input.

Unless we come up with such a document we have no choice but to re-raise 
the concerns every time a new spec comes out.

I do have some privacy issues I'd like to see covered - e.g. attendee or 
recipient information can be used to infer relationships between people 
(sometimes incorrectly).

We do have another CalConnect/IETF call coming up. Perhaps we can spend 
a bit if time on th etopic then (as we manged to not do so last time)


>>> Maybe a brief discussion at CalConect/IETF meeting?
>> Yes, that sounds like a good idea.  We'll hold this until then.
> I see the notes from the meeting, and all I see about this document is:
>
>> Eventpub:
>> - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/
>> - Discussion about the SOURCE property (drop it)
>> - Need to define “social calendaring”.
> Was the URI issue I raised discussed?  If not, when can we discuss it
> and clear this up?
>
> Barry


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On 9/23/19 9:02 PM, Michael Douglass wrote:

> 
> We do have another CalConnect/IETF call coming up. Perhaps we can spend a bit if time on th etopic then (as we manged to not do so last time)

I would suggest that if that happens, you need to make a call to non-cal-connect members of this list so they can join in on that discussion. And then summarize the results on this list.

Off list WG meetings have a IETF process.


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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, at 11:53, Doug Royer wrote:
> On 9/23/19 9:02 PM, Michael Douglass wrote:
> 
> > 
> > We do have another CalConnect/IETF call coming up. Perhaps we can spend a bit if time on th etopic then (as we manged to not do so last time)
> 
> I would suggest that if that happens, you need to make a call to non-cal-connect members of this list so they can join in on that discussion. And then summarize the results on this list.
> 
> Off list WG meetings have a IETF process.
> 

Yes, we'll update the agenda and announce the full agenda to the list for sure. The meeting date itself was scheduled a while back:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/calsify/xL3VysSAOut20b4BLk3s-FpZH48

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Indeed.  A WG meeting must be scheduled 2 weeks in advance if it is a =
teleconference, I think.  But this is not my WG.

> On 25 Sep 2019, at 03:53, Doug Royer <douglasroyer@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 9/23/19 9:02 PM, Michael Douglass wrote:
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>> We do have another CalConnect/IETF call coming up. Perhaps we can =
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> I would suggest that if that happens, you need to make a call to =
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> Off list WG meetings have a IETF process.
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A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Bron Gondwana, a Chair of the calext working group.


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Working Group Name: Calendaring Extensions
Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area
Session Requester: Bron Gondwana

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1 Hour
Number of Attendees: 15
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 Chair Conflict: ipsecme quic tls ace lwig dnsop jmap extra




People who must be present:
  Barry Leiba
  Daniel Migault
  Bron Gondwana

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  We will need to make possible remote participation
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