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Following up on the DIACs workshop, a new competition for Authenticated
Encryption algorithms.

There are some nice benefits to this competition: it is inclusive (of both
new algorithm designs and new mode designs) and it focuses attention on
the important real-world issue of AE.   I am hoping to see developments
that both perform well and improve robustness (e.g. against misuse).

I also hope to see a healthy discussion about requirements; people with
use cases should provide them as input.

David

On 1/15/13 9:52 AM, "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to> wrote:

>
>http://competitions.cr.yp.to/ today announces a new competition for
>authenticated ciphers. Submissions will be due one year from now. NIST
>has generously provided relevant funding. If you're interested in the
>competition, please send email to
>
>   crypto-competitions+subscribe@googlegroups.com
>
>to join the discussion list.
>
>---D. J. Bernstein
>   Research Professor, Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago
>   Hoogleraar, Wiskunde en Informatica, Technische Universiteit Eindhoven
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Interesting.

I didn't see in the link, who's organizing the competition, who's evaluatin=
g the submissions, and who announces the winner.

It's not NIST or some equivalent government body, right?

Yoav

On Jan 15, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "David McGrew (mcgrew)" <mcgrew@cisco.com>
 wrote:

> Following up on the DIACs workshop, a new competition for Authenticated
> Encryption algorithms.
>=20
> There are some nice benefits to this competition: it is inclusive (of bot=
h
> new algorithm designs and new mode designs) and it focuses attention on
> the important real-world issue of AE.   I am hoping to see developments
> that both perform well and improve robustness (e.g. against misuse).
>=20
> I also hope to see a healthy discussion about requirements; people with
> use cases should provide them as input.
>=20
> David
>=20
> On 1/15/13 9:52 AM, "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> http://competitions.cr.yp.to/ today announces a new competition for
>> authenticated ciphers. Submissions will be due one year from now. NIST
>> has generously provided relevant funding. If you're interested in the
>> competition, please send email to
>>=20
>>  crypto-competitions+subscribe@googlegroups.com
>>=20
>> to join the discussion list.
>>=20
>> ---D. J. Bernstein
>>  Research Professor, Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago
>>  Hoogleraar, Wiskunde en Informatica, Technische Universiteit Eindhoven
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Yes, it is indeed Nist. Details are sparse at this point.


On Jan 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com> wrote:

> Interesting.
>=20
> I didn't see in the link, who's organizing the competition, who's evaluati=
ng the submissions, and who announces the winner.
>=20
> It's not NIST or some equivalent government body, right?
>=20
> Yoav
>=20
> On Jan 15, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "David McGrew (mcgrew)" <mcgrew@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>=20
>> Following up on the DIACs workshop, a new competition for Authenticated
>> Encryption algorithms.
>>=20
>> There are some nice benefits to this competition: it is inclusive (of bot=
h
>> new algorithm designs and new mode designs) and it focuses attention on
>> the important real-world issue of AE.   I am hoping to see developments
>> that both perform well and improve robustness (e.g. against misuse).
>>=20
>> I also hope to see a healthy discussion about requirements; people with
>> use cases should provide them as input.
>>=20
>> David
>>=20
>> On 1/15/13 9:52 AM, "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to> wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> http://competitions.cr.yp.to/ today announces a new competition for
>>> authenticated ciphers. Submissions will be due one year from now. NIST
>>> has generously provided relevant funding. If you're interested in the
>>> competition, please send email to
>>>=20
>>> crypto-competitions+subscribe@googlegroups.com
>>>=20
>>> to join the discussion list.
>>>=20
>>> ---D. J. Bernstein
>>> Research Professor, Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago
>>> Hoogleraar, Wiskunde en Informatica, Technische Universiteit Eindhoven
>>>=20
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I'm wondering if members of this list would be interested in reviewing a
protocol (and eventually an open source client) that I am working on called
Bitmessage. It is a P2P protocol which uses the same message-forwarding
mechanism as Bitcoin to allow two people to send each other email-like
messages. The goals are for the system to be decentralized, trustless, and
secure, for identities to be easily authenticated (so that humans don't need
to manage keys), and to hide "non-content" data like the sender and receiver
of messages. To implement ECIES and ECDH, I am planning on relying on a
Python wrapper for OpenSSL.

 

Below are the links to two whitepapers: one technical (more of a
specification) and one less-technical (more of an introduction) which
describes the protocol and how it would work. I'm reasonably new to these
cryptographic algorithms so if anyone can think of any potential problems or
details of the protocol that should be different, I would be interested to
hear them.
http://bitmessage.org/bitmessage.pdf 
http://bitmessage.org/Bitmessage%20Technical%20Paper.pdf 

 

I very much appreciate your time.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Warren

 


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm =
wondering if members of this list would be interested in reviewing a =
protocol (and eventually an open source client) that I am working on =
called Bitmessage. It is a P2P protocol which uses the same =
message-forwarding mechanism as Bitcoin to allow two people to send each =
other email-like messages. The goals are for the system to be =
decentralized, trustless, and secure, for identities to be easily =
authenticated (so that humans don't need to manage keys), and to hide =
&quot;non-content&quot; data like the sender and receiver of messages. =
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wrapper for OpenSSL.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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the links to two whitepapers: one technical (more of a specification) =
and one less-technical (more of an introduction) which describes the =
protocol and how it would work. I&#8217;m reasonably new to these =
cryptographic algorithms so if anyone can think of any potential =
problems or details of the protocol that should be different, I would be =
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My sources tell me that NIST is not at this time sponsoring an AEAD
competition.  Dan Bernstein does have a grant from NIST, but that
does not imply NIST sponsorship of a workshop/competition. Mea culpa!




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Aloha!

On 2012-12-07 20:00 , Jon Callas wrote:
> Yes, put the table in. It's a long-standing frustration of mine that
> crypto documents seem to think that part of the fun is to guess about
> implementation until you finally get it right. A sort of
> gameification, I suppose, that makes a spec a choose-your-own
> adventure. This gets boring, fast. The vast majority of us
> implementors want to get it done, fast and accurate. Anything that
> helps that is a Good Thing.

(Slight OT)

+100

At the absolute minimum add test vectors. Adding a clean, well 
documented reference implementation that uses std types (stdint.h) is 
makes it even better and if you also include internal states during 
processing of at least one test vector you make the implementers life 
_much_ easier.

The siphash specification includes good test vectors and a great walk 
through that made the implementation pretty comfortable. The C reference 
code is, shall we say, terse. Also it really helps if one defines 
operation symbols before using them in the spec...

https://131002.net/siphash/

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Hello, 

Appendix C.2 in the document "draft-kiyomoto-kcipher2-08" includes a test vector that lists internal state bits. I hope that that would be appropriate information for implementers.

Best regards, 

Shinsaku

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:55:06 +0000
"Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)" <sfluhrer@cisco.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cfrg-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of
> > Joachim Strömbergson
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:09 AM
> > To: cfrg@irtf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Cfrg] KCipher-2
> > 
> > Aloha!
> > 
> > On 2012-12-07 20:00 , Jon Callas wrote:
> > > Yes, put the table in. It's a long-standing frustration of mine that
> > > crypto documents seem to think that part of the fun is to guess about
> > > implementation until you finally get it right. A sort of
> > > gameification, I suppose, that makes a spec a choose-your-own
> > > adventure. This gets boring, fast. The vast majority of us
> > > implementors want to get it done, fast and accurate. Anything that
> > > helps that is a Good Thing.
> > 
> > (Slight OT)
> > 
> > +100
> > 
> > At the absolute minimum add test vectors. Adding a clean, well
> > documented reference implementation that uses std types (stdint.h) is
> > makes it even better and if you also include internal states during
> > processing of at least one test vector you make the implementers life
> > _much_ easier.
> 
> For extra bonus points, include a test vector that lists the internal cipher state at various points (for example, after each round).  This makes life a lot easier on an implementer if the ever need to diagnose why their implementation doesn't work.
> 
> > 
> > The siphash specification includes good test vectors and a great walk
> > through that made the implementation pretty comfortable. The C reference
> > code is, shall we say, terse. Also it really helps if one defines operation
> > symbols before using them in the spec...
> > 
> > https://131002.net/siphash/
> > 
> > --
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FYI for those who are interested in lightweight block ciphers.

Today at the MIT Media Lab Legal Hack-a-thon on Identity we had a
great presentation from a couple of designers from the NSA regarding
their new lightweight ciphers called SIMON and SPECK. These ciphers
are designed for low-power limited gate devices (such as RFID and
similar devices).

The MIT Media Lab Hack-a-thon page is here:
http://iauth.org

The NSA presentation is here (You Tube):
http://tinyurl.com/bf6fbju

Their paper (PDF) is here:
http://iauth.org/legal-hack-a-thon/simonspeckperformance-2/



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