From nobody Tue Sep 8 07:51:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ghost@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ghost@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7B51B49C3 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlc-2FByn8rk for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FD71B47B9 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 07:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so81463075wic.1 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sx4/71rUqa6RyTwuRmoahJwTdBnBbvnSKhx+yXWa+FE=; b=lq8z+Oc4+C90rFzcfbfshPecS09D4g9t1me7hid3ZVdP89LGSZXLva2vrv6M0GTAis V9dtjGooCG/l7n4eyfMLFN/aJfkdKCy/ZjRdpKFRK0n55rynRgZAs6Hr6WWfDYS+vcPS KMhNdnLZAmMgSvYrbVmDgAKfPP8AgMZDwW6bbKLmJvODM0OK0aMv5w/gP7Ece9iKKVaj W3M+BXIW8phLYTpM2VfcnbIpAROZuAPyCzcCw9jaLeexox6yIkb238zibTssU6OAAny/ 2xGkFQ9ecMlf0sPeykmumbidExnAIQslenblWyBN9u/Jxgr6H5CeHNdB8SbtpigOgXBV 2u2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.179.165 with SMTP id dh5mr562435wjc.95.1441723861412; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.104.213 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 10:51:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "Boyle, Vincent M" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "ghost@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ghost] Proposed Structure for Organizing Standards Information X-BeenThere: ghost@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for GatHering and reOrganizing STandards information \(GHOST\) team" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 14:51:10 -0000 Hi Mike and others, Thanks for your interest in this project. I do think it would be helpful to run through an example using authentication as our first target. I had an intern trying to pull links and organize them in this space over the summer, but what I have back so far isn't enough of a starting point. Would the reverse direction be more helpful in that this group designs a starting page? For those that have not looked at the google doc, this would be the use cases and device types for authentication, allowing you to drill down to other links (existing where possible) to learn more about the options. We will likely need 2 levels before a branch out or to specify what is needed in the landing pages for options available. Thank you, Kathleen On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Boyle, Vincent M wrote: > I read the Google doc again this morning. I like the idea of a short intr= oduction to each topic and then moving on to specific situations (use cases= and device types; maybe deployment scenarios as well, such as how big is t= he set of things that have to authenticate to each other, or how will keys = be provisioned). In general, I like the idea of quickly getting to specific= s and providing pointers to appropriate standards. > > I'm wondering if we need to work through the Authentication example a bit= . Maybe create a part of the matrix (no attempt to be complete) and then se= e how we would handle things from there. I think even concentrating on a sp= ecific scenario (signed email) could be enlightening, considering the diffe= rences when you're all part of an enterprise vs. a community with no centra= l authority. > > If it would help, I'd be happy to join a phone call to discuss. Otherwis= e, maybe somebody more adept than me could create a small example to foster= discussion. > > Mike Boyle > > _______________________________________________ > GHOST mailing list > GHOST@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ghost --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Sep 15 13:03:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ghost@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ghost@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E5F1ACE20 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wLLjF1J5GG1c for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emvm-gh1-uea09.nsa.gov (emvm-gh1-uea09.nsa.gov [63.239.67.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E931ACE1F for ; 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bh=XPsBxdU7U1fKTrB1FRjF0TU1dk7UJbh7cNMKYK4aHq4=; b=q6hxLxagaGI6Cw45PixeuEn262/jGobfoS6eBAGO2S1kRFZgW/iS6FJuoduQa6Jt1P bIAtIHmTPLZ3/9ztiklJze3mDEz2rOfATrSKm8+WetgyN9R9+fymStCiFcq5LV6InU3n uMkdLVAJ9tLwnxxn6nX7QupnxGsyvjWOXQHuD+G8axvmzttDIHjVXdQNdniOxqAnmPG0 zGWGG3x1y0UXCWWy1ohuwN2I2Ndb3BldG4Cs6Gj6rWzK9720BUmukbfsTd39AKUC1hpg v377v0iNnu0fhHyq+MB7tZR3FbVFA6nZxf4HSLojK2NdikgYE7NPWvq1A4cngWrdP/Ib +e3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.116.106 with SMTP id jv10mr4377559wjb.0.1442348469441; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.214.213 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:21:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "Boyle, Vincent M" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "ghost@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ghost] Proposed Structure for Organizing Standards Information X-BeenThere: ghost@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for GatHering and reOrganizing STandards information \(GHOST\) team" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:21:13 -0000 Hi Mike, The intern returned to school and he was going to let me know if he would have time to do more work, but it appears he does not. If anyone can help with an intern, I think that would spur on this work and could be a very good learning experience with someone who is motivated. Is anyone having trouble accessing the Google doc? Thanks, Kathleen On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Boyle, Vincent M wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > I think use cases and device types would be a great starting poin= t. Finding out what the state of the art (or state of practice) for authent= ication in different types of devices would be really useful. I guess this = is just a use case, but I would be interested in what is currently being us= ed for device ID (vs. user authentication) for various types of devices as = well. > > Do you still have the services of that intern, or did they leave = along with the summer? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 10:51 AM > To: Boyle, Vincent M > Cc: ghost@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ghost] Proposed Structure for Organizing Standards Informat= ion > > Hi Mike and others, > > Thanks for your interest in this project. > > I do think it would be helpful to run through an example using authentica= tion as our first target. I had an intern trying to pull links and organiz= e them in this space over the summer, but what I have back so far isn't eno= ugh of a starting point. > > Would the reverse direction be more helpful in that this group designs a = starting page? For those that have not looked at the google doc, this woul= d be the use cases and device types for authentication, allowing you to dri= ll down to other links (existing where possible) to learn more about the op= tions. We will likely need 2 levels before a branch out or to specify what= is needed in the landing pages for options available. > > Thank you, > Kathleen > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Boyle, Vincent M wrote= : >> I read the Google doc again this morning. I like the idea of a short int= roduction to each topic and then moving on to specific situations (use case= s and device types; maybe deployment scenarios as well, such as how big is = the set of things that have to authenticate to each other, or how will keys= be provisioned). In general, I like the idea of quickly getting to specifi= cs and providing pointers to appropriate standards. >> >> I'm wondering if we need to work through the Authentication example a bi= t. Maybe create a part of the matrix (no attempt to be complete) and then s= ee how we would handle things from there. I think even concentrating on a s= pecific scenario (signed email) could be enlightening, considering the diff= erences when you're all part of an enterprise vs. a community with no centr= al authority. >> >> If it would help, I'd be happy to join a phone call to discuss. Otherwi= se, maybe somebody more adept than me could create a small example to foste= r discussion. >> >> Mike Boyle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GHOST mailing list >> GHOST@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ghost > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen --=20 Best regards, Kathleen