From nobody Thu Jul 1 11:28:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7E33A146D; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 11:28:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: httpapi@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.33.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: httpapi@ietf.org Message-ID: <162516409669.21899.835192498855269808@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:28:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-httpapi-idempotency-key-header-00.txt X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:28:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : The Idempotency-Key HTTP Header Field Authors : Jayadeba Jena Sanjay Dalal Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-idempotency-key-header-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2021-07-01 Abstract: The HTTP Idempotency-Key request header field can be used to carry idempotency key in order to make non-idempotent HTTP methods such as "POST" or "PATCH" fault-tolerant. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpapi-idempotency-key-header/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-httpapi-idempotency-key-header-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 2 15:06:38 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3A43A0AEB; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, httpapi@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.34.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <162526338029.26814.12186896621208366045@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 15:03:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] httpapi - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 111 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:03:12 -0000 Dear Rich Salz, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. httpapi Session 1 (2:00 requested) Tuesday, 27 July 2021, Session II 1430-1530 Room Name: Room 3 size: 503 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/sessions/httpapi.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Rich Salz Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Darrel Miller Francesca Palombini Mark Nottingham Rich Salz Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Jul 4 00:41:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE753A3B58 for ; 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--===============4241056675005990745==-- From nobody Sun Jul 4 05:04:52 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2103A11F5; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 05:04:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: httpapi@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.34.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: httpapi@ietf.org Message-ID: <162540028931.22234.10979753488188906878@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 05:04:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-03.txt X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 12:04:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : Linkset: Media Types and a Link Relation Type for Link Sets Authors : Erik Wilde Herbert Van de Sompel Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-03.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2021-07-04 Abstract: This specification defines two document formats and respective media types for representing sets of links as stand-alone resources. One format is JSON-based, the other aligned with the format for representing links in the HTTP "Link" header field. This specification also introduces a link relation type to support discovery of sets of links. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-03.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-03 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jul 4 05:10:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAA23A1267 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 05:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.237 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.237 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.338, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BkgsDXOlcyhU for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 05:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BC0B3A1269 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 05:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 222.167.198.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch ([178.198.167.222]:59497 helo=dretpro.home) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1m00xR-0001Dw-JD; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 08:10:45 -0400 To: "Salz, Rich" , Julian Reschke , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <625dc350-44bd-2a72-5258-612ddbea8f37@dret.net> <6b4033a1-a68a-d540-e9be-b03270c8e946@gmx.de> <52BC49CD-015D-402D-B4D3-34FE87C7A03C@akamai.com> Cc: Herbert Van de Sompel From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: <8aadeeae-6593-d7f1-4174-8aac1d97634b@dret.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 14:10:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52BC49CD-015D-402D-B4D3-34FE87C7A03C@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] linkset draft ready for next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 12:10:53 -0000 hello rich. On 2021-06-08 16:17, Salz, Rich wrote: > So I think that this is the plan we should follow. Julian will post his comments (ideally this week, perhaps next) and the authors will respond and perhaps post a new draft. If there's disagreement or controversy, we'll repeat that cycle until issues are settled. Once that's done, we'll issue a working group last call (WGLC) and proceed. we just published a new version after resolving all open issues without any remaining disagreements. we think that we now are ready for the next step, and we're curious to see the result of the WGLC. thanks a lot to julian for all his valuable and constructive feedback, it helped to improve the draft. thanks and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Thu Jul 8 07:15:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139103A1DA9 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 07:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.338, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 08 Jul 2021 16:15:32 +0200 To: httpapi@ietf.org References: <625dc350-44bd-2a72-5258-612ddbea8f37@dret.net> <6b4033a1-a68a-d540-e9be-b03270c8e946@gmx.de> <52BC49CD-015D-402D-B4D3-34FE87C7A03C@akamai.com> <8aadeeae-6593-d7f1-4174-8aac1d97634b@dret.net> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9ee6d3d5-7e3b-ed91-7f79-c62bb4d47889@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:15:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8aadeeae-6593-d7f1-4174-8aac1d97634b@dret.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3NqLHuEohF9Fb65AHrpxTujHbceudvBRutwpghTSyRYw8ebCKFo lwO3gyhQZViGWj0X82sW+H7NY5tTkhVS9KcHRHVN1dTQqxoy7gWUHN3uh2onPLVXNekD5S1 a1uY38ODGFUgEBQh27NiR8fQ6H4pM0pIa0ivcVx0fm+eULH2m/0TEfCGjCHSXNe9hUwUoWa hBwUXN60Ry20nCG5uE2iw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:9iTOwCC1Pj0=:X8OoxndyA0iqJP1MKJNoK/ qtloBl2+nx0n1rglC8OH3UvBn12OVfJ6kk6YqVT0YcFSN9B9dP8yq00Yn4cBwzzcO9dKczKIC AeWGysfmJbxKNAQi5kVZ5ggGdcmBOnNY1o897Gfdp1/BxAYClDQ/YpA0vzFjrb9J9DQ3M6GfJ fO7gZGEVSfhrik5svuxOZWnvnOJ/2f/ImrCOhKJHo+ion9BHuccxxH8jgRFHWUU1YYiw+5qLF AW2R3D44ucYz8PUdKyAsCBOraahfBbJMPJPu40kLW3ODEPCwskvXSq8ySS3zjIMEi/D4XRO9V +X8Oqy2E1VeIEAavvACc1xA0j779lm1fOKdwuwxTEWqtMwJrR/ybnphC0OlLG6BFtdnJgxzno H1ZWorlx+urRnryUogEtcos9eTz3dhWka6RKrDEl9CYqo0CYcIKkPnpja74N0yO/e1qVH/q96 dnBUWdy3U+thAVOfgYXyNW0Wmjy4jsOks7/StQPkHky4lVIqOZeq5ARG0lE/ISdTbKcp3DsXz Gk2yXQfh+KqWdNrLg1M6v8FIAUgrDp0HWmxiCgkQUMj6kK+A4/Dh39F27Xl4hJXS4th4KeeSZ pcSweYEAGCOTh6Sv1Uixxg7Zw7rj3TXRLg2B390vhUIYl4CDj8QInXny0SVbDu4WvZT5rBu8C MqrGCSF84OtyW+fZWLvp0t/xlN+E1ore3+NqFKjW5ARCUFCLI7VX13GyC1iDdYmyxsUf5m3YK Hgk5AjpXjSt4iLQHQY7Gs++dZAS16Y3Q/8+5klPSkXdriuClUkKYDNIpO2LyFvplFmxdlmldr q5yg/EmgWHuA0KKrNL8niNbJJdiwIIywmGFEgh95OAXYdzGBnTj8Cw/pawQkC5S5zNVdyG7AY kzEF77DHM3I5YQ+xGiTza4duWHNGUgQmUAxTQivglxJyUGluTF0VuLV+yeOvGNTNSopw8ffee O+PUjdnpbupqX2dy8pgywdZ1/xGzta7tqHufG1rvVfNL2VQdn/yZPKzYbmnAo7rUhbM3j6eMt ftb2UXmFDIb22SlBlRItDC9D0Db3BlNfo9gwBHxkwoKv7YqTzuWAjVOfMSTkLa4RP6KrN5BxC +83+WdWy+mBVGzgbuWGVKbVe+VIyiD0d2l16zPnupRHzB9wlmuAjajaeA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] linkset draft ready for next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 14:15:41 -0000 Am 04.07.2021 um 14:10 schrieb Erik Wilde: > hello rich. > > On 2021-06-08 16:17, Salz, Rich wrote: >> So I think that this is the plan we should follow.=C2=A0 Julian will po= st >> his comments (ideally this week, perhaps next) and the authors will >> respond and perhaps post a new draft. If there's disagreement or >> controversy, we'll repeat that cycle until issues are settled.=C2=A0 On= ce >> that's done, we'll issue a working group last call (WGLC) and proceed. > > we just published a new version after resolving all open issues without > any remaining disagreements. we think that we now are ready for the next > step, and we're curious to see the result of the WGLC. > > thanks a lot to julian for all his valuable and constructive feedback, > it helped to improve the draft. > ... Here's some more... The one-two-one mapping between link header field syntax and JSON makes the JSON really complex. I understand that this is done for round-tripping= . There is however one case where I would argue that complexity could be removed without major loss. See which is about mapping RFC 8187 syntax, which allows inclusion of language tags. I'm not aware of this being used in practice (and I'm author of that RFC). Dropping the language information from JSON would simpliy the datamodel somewhat. 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support for multilingual titl= es on a given link? And does that apply to both the native HTTP Link heade= r format and the JSON format, or just one? Such a move would remove comple= xity that may be little used. For better or worse, it seems that in the re= al world, a vanishingly small number of websites use content negotiation b= y language. The new W3C website design is not using it, for example, and i= s instead going for a {domain}/{lang}/{page} structure. So, yes, having a = single link to a resource that is made available with language-based conne= g is probably an edge case hanging on by its fingernails. > > Even so, it is part of HTTP and so leaving it out might be problematic, = process-wise if nothing else? Apologies if I've misunderstood your comment= . For now I was just considering the JSON format due to the complexity it adds. I can understand if feature parity has higher priority than terseness, but wanted at least see some discussion. Best regards, Julian From nobody Sat Jul 10 12:47:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7953A1C48; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:47:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: httpapi@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.34.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: httpapi@ietf.org Message-ID: <162594642019.5011.3627724910414815246@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:47:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-httpapi-deprecation-header-02.txt X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 19:47:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : The Deprecation HTTP Header Field Authors : Sanjay Dalal Erik Wilde Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-deprecation-header-02.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2021-07-10 Abstract: The HTTP Deprecation Response Header Field can be used to signal to consumers of a URI-identified resource that the resource has been deprecated. Additionally, the deprecation link relation can be used to link to a resource that provides additional context for the deprecation, and possibly ways in which clients can find a replacement for the deprecated resource. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear httpapi, We will be meeting online next week during the IETF-111 week (Tuesday July = 26th 14:30 PST =96 15:30PST). Please note that whilst this meeting will be = online, there will be fees for attendance (though much lower than for in-pe= rson attendance): https://registration.ietf.org/111/ . Note that there is a= significant discount for full-time students and fee waivers are available = for those for whom these fees pose a problem (everything is in the link). The current agenda includes: * Discussion about last call for Linkset draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-03= * Update on RFC7807bis (Mark Nottingham) https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-ietf-httpapi-rfc7807bis/ * Introduction to Idempotency Key draft (Sanjay Dalal) https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpapi-idempotency-key-header/ If others have topics they would like to present, please let the chairs kno= w. Guidelines for presenters can be found here: https://github.com/ietf-wg= -httpapi/wg-materials Regards, Darrel --_000_MW4PR00MB1027460CC4BDE68695161C0BF0E39MW4PR00MB1027namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear ht= tpapi,

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We will= be meeting online next week during the IETF-111 week (Tuesday July 26= th 14:30 PST =96 15:30PST). Please note that whilst this meeting will= be online, there will be fees for attendance (though much lower than for in-person attendance): https://reg= istration.ietf.org/111/ . Note that there is a significant discount for full-time students and fee waivers are available for those fo= r whom these fees pose a problem (everything is in the link).

&n= bsp;

The cur= rent agenda includes:

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

If othe= rs have topics they would like to present, please let the chairs know. = ; Guidelines for presenters can be found here: https:/= /github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/wg-materials 

&n= bsp;

Regards= ,

&n= bsp;

Darrel<= o:p>

 

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Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 03:27:13 -0000 I went through the link set draft; apologies for the delay. Feedback = below; most of it is editorial. * Abstract- - '...sets of links as stand-alone resources.' This doesn't = agree with the HTTP definition of 'resource'; recommend dropping this = phrase. * 1. Introduction (and elsewhere) -- it would be nice if this clearly = said it was defining a _serialiation_ of links, to leverage the = terminology established in 8288. * 1. Introduction -- it might be good to mention the nature of the two = seralisations defined; the reader doesn't find that out until section 3 = right now, where it's discussed obliquely. * 3. Scenarios -- usually sections like this are called something like = "Use Cases" * 3. Scenarios -- it feels like this section could be tightened up; it's = fairly long for the amount of content here * 4. Document Formats for Sets of Links -- 'In both serializations for = link sets defined here, inverse links SHOULD be represented as direct = links using the "rel" construct and by switching the position of the = resources involved in the link.' -- is this always true? I.e., for every = link relation, is it the case that the inverse relation's semantics in = total are expressed by merely reversing the subject and object? Also, = this doesn't feel like a SHOULD (which is for interoperability). * 4.1. HTTP Link Document Format: application/linkset -- it would be = good if this said something explicitly about whether newlines are = allowed, and gave an example.=20 * 4.2.1 Set of Links -- '... the "link context object" (see Section = 4.2.2) - MUST be used to represent links' -- this is an awkward MUST; = usually this is just stated ('is'). (this applies to several other = requirements below; generally, requirements are used to specify what = behaviours are necessary for interoperability, not to merely define = protocol elements). * 4.2.1 Set of Links -- '... MUST have "linkset" as its sole member' -- = does this imply that if there is any other member present, a receiving = implementation is required to error? * 4.2.2 Link Context Object -- 'SHOULD NOT be a relative reference' -- = what are the consequences of violating this SHOULD NOT? * 4.2.4.1. Target Attributes Defined by Web Linking -- this refers to = 3.4.1 of 8288, which defines a *different* serialisation of web links - = the Link HTTP header field. It should refer to section 2 of 8288, which = defines the abstract model of web linking, since this is a new = serialisation. As such, this section isn't really necessary; all target = attributes are just target attributes in the abstract model.=20 * 4.2.4.2. Internationalised Target Attributes -- as per above, this = section is not necessary. Internationalisation of those values is a = specific feature to enable non-ascii titles in the Link header = serialisation; it's not necessary in a JSON serialisation.=20 * 4.2.4.3. Extension Target Attributes -- this section should be folded = into 4.2.4. * 5. The "profile" attribute for media types to Represent Sets of Links = -- It'd be really helpful to have an example here. Also, they're media = type _parameters_, not attributes. * Appendix A - Has the 'http://www.iana.org/assignments/relation/' URI = been discussed? I note that it isn't HTTPS, and it currently redirects = to another URI. Did you consider a 'urn:ietf:params' URI? 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Fielding" > Subject: Revised HTTP core specifications submitted (drafts 17) > Date: 27 July 2021 at 4:58:25 am AEST > To: HTTP Working Group > Cc: The IESG > Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org > Archived-At: = >=20 > Hello, >=20 > We have submitted a revised set of HTTP core specifications (drafts = 17) > that address all of the comments received during IESG review. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-cache/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging/ >=20 > with hypertext versions at >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-17.html > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-17.html > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-17.html >=20 > and side-by-side diffs since 16 at >=20 > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_frfc_to_17.html > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_frfc_to_17.html > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_frfc_to_17.html >=20 > and word diffs since the (rearranged) RFC723x at >=20 > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_frfc_to_17.html > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_frfc_to_17.html > https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_frfc_to_17.html >=20 > and if you are interested in tracking all of the changes, see the > full change history and issues at >=20 > https://github.com/httpwg/http-core >=20 > Thanks for all of your comments, >=20 > ....Roy T. Fielding, Senior Principal Scientist, Adobe >=20 >=20 -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ --Apple-Mail=_5CA01126-0735-45DD-8987-02345FE30A77 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii FYI = - these specifications are off to the RFC Editor, and will soon be the = normative HTTP references. 

Cheers,


Begin = forwarded message:

From: = "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
Subject: = Revised HTTP core = specifications submitted (drafts 17)
Date: = 27 July 2021 at 4:58:25 am = AEST
To: = HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Resent-From: = ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Archived-At: <https://www.w3.org/mid/F2CA6707-CABA-4486-9242-E5FE0C3CF620@gbi= v.com>

Hello,

We have = submitted a revised set of HTTP core specifications (drafts 17)
that address all of the comments received during IESG = review.

 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics/<= /a>
 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-cache/<= br class=3D"">  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging/<= /a>

with hypertext versions at

 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-17= .html
 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-17.htm= l
 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-17= .html

and side-by-side diffs since 16 = at

 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_frfc_to_17.ht= ml
 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_frfc_to_17.html
 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_frfc_to_17.ht= ml

and word diffs since the = (rearranged) RFC723x at

 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_frfc_to_17.ht= ml
 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_frfc_to_17.html
 https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_frfc_to_17.ht= ml

and if you are interested in = tracking all of the changes, see the
full change history = and issues at

 https://github.com/httpwg/http-core

Thanks for all of your comments,

....Roy T. Fielding, Senior Principal Scientist, Adobe



--
Mark Nottingham  =  https://www.mnot.net/

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Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VpsXGFTWxmpMaOG8IPQDOualH9DxHOAjTSK6wtEXb6leWVbQsc5 Gc18fPd6jsLMt3rEVEp/cP/stRhx7bJmPuXGOY8y2OVrb+Dn7u2Vkz+bAhjW7BNYp5zHiRK RbSCr6kgeGOwNx4SqX60maVmqaAhzGAGBzWygvDtqkE4VuN0RRdVzWyKi15x42ETs1Z6AX6 X5EkfvXc+iSSilfCTGrBg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:w/C8c6OCpmY=:W9gcQoNUrUEyQhZ2tbvaQs lX6Ymkz9LzE7u8z0pNtBL1+ZT6UglZhWlWipTVQggabd5pVqsnQYl9+atrkyke0tj9raosI/r RhDe68nDXP7+hNP2xXNGiYuktS6bV+sQas1qmsb6MXnLbM1PHEOdV4QLaJ4eMqbbdXtoPCOpP /+3twmLRxZE8bEiOPiyCqxVzITGlPCnx1jgwzqE9mVEQzHTDwEPrBuB8Dr8D+TGz0L/QV+1VY e2+TzKOzxe26OvGn6N3lHABvLsn9SgjoE8Yvhwmxy9hy7WjpxP9Wc0CuLR8bAG3HcU6yVIEmX 65ULUXh+VZEPukbBvospYIgnt7smMr/WPfugatf2PdwpLgy1l1L1RctmO8wX1C5M/D2u1s06S ZANno3rIBxRpP2ROnN2LJLFynakDRcS0et4x/ipsubAKM6Hei4rCN3vZ20gW+e8zvKAvAqPQC BeuqzPGiEhoIk1WiMWZZZfVT5tmHTdrERVlDjninVXpWVjt9oOxLuTzIbqnBqlh0veErCm5Y5 fj1KdOz/dtTiPQxMOLHvrSbNRFLMO29qtHylu37q1S+x3y15U1OWF8YPsMNBSuwXRmQ3DUN8i Ie3W0degyojaOaBhb4K+MKyy8uR+S6ieskSJ22Y7Ul07ksn2nHmx+cksqYNwhJtwjzfQO2mIU kmaajKwbyQ1GCwevkSFs6jUTQaEoq7FSAcKNdFhM6kxO9/Z8j/y344wyxGWBl6DVWw9Gi8KY1 T7SgnTfVye5mZEzXiDAPLVp8Ks8tIo+5Kp9xSFnDIsUcFDHENumgAx0k5j0DFLveh/IkFgvr3 Y0fnderWk3J0yRpw01uqr3mRGDmf2Cv3S7yCOCVZ2MjufDo2gLO1dpa/baj6dnM5c1YgUpQkP Jpd2k2EsjwIpk0CLG8m5n6ltPmsrA0GQNE2cnP/tgaCDCmcyolmugJ+eZ5TUiRbIuDTT9SKg6 Ihlyeo0rQfDBPpGOiCAk4KFAVgvc0ByrgzSx91WnLRENyBpnM3I4JdGtjdQ7SXVkamOrbXFo7 h3lKC/SPJdmTSmf6LRTzYVhLxoPgMepwCjyDWxTKL2WKwkvh4/jBhh9bk46xD5DqEKrG6+cBm 9l9gkYx2Gt8UW2ai6BkxyDLzo/MMLeQAgFW36wui75nu8vEPkK3G9/Kyw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] linkset draft ready for next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 10:36:07 -0000 Am 29.07.2021 um 10:21 schrieb Phil Archer: > We need to come back to this discussion and come to a resolution before = we can progress to last call (and thanks MNot for your comments today as w= ell). > > As indicated earlier, I don't have a strong opinion that we definitely s= hould or definitely should not support multilingual labels in the JSON for= mat. However, it does 'feel right' to me that the JSON serialization and t= he Web Linking serialization are equivalent in the information they can co= ntain. Round tripping between formats is not a requirement but it never fe= els right to me to throw away data or functionality unless the gain is sub= stantial. > > When I created a JSON Linkset visualization tool [1] I included support = for multilingual labels (and there's one in the sample used in the demo) w= ithout any difficulty. > > So Julian and others, would you be OK with keeping this? > > Phil > > [1] https://github.com/gs1/linkset I have no problem keeping it. I just wanted to clarify, that I, in my role as author of the spec that made things that complicated, wouldn't object to dropping the complexity... Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu Jul 29 03:47:57 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F433A1DB8 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 03:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wxf1lUJsF17C for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 03:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 261433A1D95 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 03:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 222.167.198.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch ([178.198.167.222]:60742 helo=dretpro.home) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1m93Zr-0007Xh-8O; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 06:47:47 -0400 To: Julian Reschke , Phil Archer , "httpapi@ietf.org" Cc: Herbert Van de Sompel References: <625dc350-44bd-2a72-5258-612ddbea8f37@dret.net> <6b4033a1-a68a-d540-e9be-b03270c8e946@gmx.de> <52BC49CD-015D-402D-B4D3-34FE87C7A03C@akamai.com> <8aadeeae-6593-d7f1-4174-8aac1d97634b@dret.net> <9ee6d3d5-7e3b-ed91-7f79-c62bb4d47889@gmx.de> <2cded692-1398-3e08-5b05-c1d5e7645697@gmx.de> From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: <7fd427b6-e28f-1d14-1c95-c704a840d7aa@dret.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 12:47:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] linkset draft ready for next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 10:47:56 -0000 hello julian. On 2021-07-29 12:33, Julian Reschke wrote: > Am 29.07.2021 um 10:21 schrieb Phil Archer: >> We need to come back to this discussion and come to a resolution >> before we can progress to last call (and thanks MNot for your comments >> today as well). >> When I created a JSON Linkset visualization tool [1] I included >> support for multilingual labels (and there's one in the sample used in >> the demo) without any difficulty. >> So Julian and others, would you be OK with keeping this? > > I have no problem keeping it. I just wanted to clarify, that I, in my > role as author of the spec that made things that complicated, wouldn't > object to dropping the complexity... ;-) that's good to hear! one of the goals of the spec was to align with the model of RFC 8288 without trying to change/improve it. i do agree than in hindsight, maybe the web linking model would look slightly different today and so would linksets as a result, but given that we have implementations already, i am glad to hear that we can keep the model as it is. thanks and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Thu Jul 29 14:27:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9363A085E for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=snqj/9p3; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=M3W5qsr3 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TgihQ3Bfr0Un for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A0743A085B for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3AC3200437; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:26:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm3; bh=A IURd3WixmgtupBvQUjJ1a02wBClmjvpP0Ki6ZEVNaI=; b=snqj/9p3dh5bEiV7u sCIhxoa4bFAfHGYAB0+jQBtDSpERRB7d9OnTuOTcBy54w/iQpo6x63bgSyPpgCIm 4pHHF/zUJNwEzwUIruMiUweNc1Ft/jFX9TWRVsmGz1Om4i6vrLXBrjXaQaSRfprd KUfMBeFzZnHyDufY8LYlGt4PhtD5tcPzW/eyCN1Ac+j/fl6ec5Umz7cLLx+E+A1Z ew6wV7fNp2U14SR///0rP3Wx+ixLBEZCLhLINXoCXnUHkdrG9WjeIWEbcuZoaTGj WvpyRR047NUXsFWTttDcdg4jYscwKo9qu13WjePv9KGLKdolgH78ZnuY6R+72DnK MqIQg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=AIURd3WixmgtupBvQUjJ1a02wBClmjvpP0Ki6ZEVN aI=; b=M3W5qsr356AC+2rWSj/K7pu5m5ccL0c27YHhDUFbe9WMpuST9FGGy0zZb uwk+0djiS2DO2EV+/mUPCBj0o5sHxZX9QFV1quK2enw1Cg+WuDCFN3Bmka4eF1B6 phaufXT9OWFj7BkVqRdDNeCRAPYk9zTMR4P0BHj8H+2twvSjAgdzzQ9OuVgOeyra KVmEIuOHFO0gSggqAYhy8e4INnPDoNQvPks/Mr5tjbDgT+9cLUM0SpRj0eOHhKle Kv1LV0GQer3pBPVSX4w2SSTn+nnLLLD4G5oEy/Ll01K9ml+MYl0qP/OLis4E+X0n ObWBNJcZm/8E7QZmYBRQAGj6K6KrQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrheefgdduudduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhk ucfpohhtthhinhhghhgrmhcuoehmnhhothesmhhnohhtrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeeuteehteehueeihfdujefgkeffvdffffehffeltdegtdejteeftdefleevvdek leenucffohhmrghinhepughrvghtrdhnvghtpdhtfihithhtvghrrdgtohhmpdhivghtfh drohhrghdpmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghm pehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <7fd427b6-e28f-1d14-1c95-c704a840d7aa@dret.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:26:45 +1000 Cc: "Julian F. Reschke" , Phil Archer , "httpapi@ietf.org" , Herbert Van de Sompel Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8895850F-47DE-4542-9883-466490134903@mnot.net> References: <625dc350-44bd-2a72-5258-612ddbea8f37@dret.net> <6b4033a1-a68a-d540-e9be-b03270c8e946@gmx.de> <52BC49CD-015D-402D-B4D3-34FE87C7A03C@akamai.com> <8aadeeae-6593-d7f1-4174-8aac1d97634b@dret.net> <9ee6d3d5-7e3b-ed91-7f79-c62bb4d47889@gmx.de> <2cded692-1398-3e08-5b05-c1d5e7645697@gmx.de> <7fd427b6-e28f-1d14-1c95-c704a840d7aa@dret.net> To: Erik Wilde X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] linkset draft ready for next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:27:01 -0000 See my comments - the problem is that the JSON format as described = aligns with the model of the Link header, *not* the abstract model for = links in 8288. > On 29 Jul 2021, at 8:47 pm, Erik Wilde wrote: >=20 > hello julian. >=20 > On 2021-07-29 12:33, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Am 29.07.2021 um 10:21 schrieb Phil Archer: >>> We need to come back to this discussion and come to a resolution = before we can progress to last call (and thanks MNot for your comments = today as well). >>> When I created a JSON Linkset visualization tool [1] I included = support for multilingual labels (and there's one in the sample used in = the demo) without any difficulty. >>> So Julian and others, would you be OK with keeping this? >> I have no problem keeping it. I just wanted to clarify, that I, in my >> role as author of the spec that made things that complicated, = wouldn't >> object to dropping the complexity... >=20 > ;-) that's good to hear! one of the goals of the spec was to align = with the model of RFC 8288 without trying to change/improve it. i do = agree than in hindsight, maybe the web linking model would look slightly = different today and so would linksets as a result, but given that we = have implementations already, i am glad to hear that we can keep the = model as it is. >=20 > thanks and cheers, >=20 > dret. >=20 > --=20 > erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | > | http://dret.net/netdret | > | http://twitter.com/dret | >=20 > --=20 > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/