From ietf-nomcom-errors@lists.elistx.com Fri Aug 1 16:26:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HIY0020AJ6IIK@eListX.com> (original mail from dhc@dcrocker.net); Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HIY00201J6CI4@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HIY00201J6CI3@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from joy.songbird.com (joy.songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HIY00273J68EA@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbprime (jay.songbird.com [208.184.79.253]) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h71KNBa14205 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:23:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:18:54 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: One more comments on the process draft In-reply-to: To: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com Reply-to: Dave Crocker Message-id: <150182920445.20030801131854@brandenburg.com> Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.63 Beta/11) Personal Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3F1663B9.7FC4108C@hursley.ibm.com> List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: Folks, We have a fundamental flaw in the design of our qualification rules. In the interest of simplicity, we have been ignoring the flaw. But the flaw means that it is entirely possible to have all of the voting members of nomcom be literally clueless about getting work done in the IETF. Showing up for a few IETF meetings is no guarantee of anything except funding. Due to the nature of who has actually volunteered for nomcom and how the selection of participants has turned out, we have been lucky to have a substantial fraction of the nomcom be clueful. However, this is in spite of the formal qualification rule, not because of it. LZ> My concern is a different one: one year is too short a period to both gain LZ> an adequate understanding of the IETF process and, perhaps more importantly, LZ> to get to know individual participants well enough for nomcom purpose. Lixia is suggesting a remarkably simple enhancement to the rules and it is likely to have a very beneficial effect on the selection process. Although it still does not require actual participating in the process or showing any real understanding of it, it adds a requirement for real "tenacity" with the IETF. LZ> I've also served on nomcom twice myself, and my observation was that junior LZ> people (not in age but in IETF participation) who did not know much about LZ> the candidates deferred to a few strong voices of those who know better. When -- and, yes, I mean when, not if -- none of the voting members "know better", they are likely to defer to the liaisons. This destroys the intended independence of the group. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking Sunnyvale, CA USA , From ietf-nomcom-errors@lists.elistx.com Tue Aug 5 10:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ500604H1CEZ@eListX.com> (original mail from nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us) ; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ500601H18ER@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ500601H18EQ@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HJ5002GMH17KI@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12863; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:15:41 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-06.txt Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-id: <200308051415.KAA12863@ietf.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CcuO/cM+S0TvTMLRTN7ZmQ)" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: --Boundary_(ID_CcuO/cM+S0TvTMLRTN7ZmQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operation of the IESG/IAB Nominating and Recall Committees Working Group of the IETF. Title : IAB and IESG Selection, Confirmation, and Recall Process: Operation of the Nominating and Recall Committees Author(s) : J. Galvin Filename : draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-06.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2003-8-5 The process by which the members of the IAB and IESG are selected, confirmed, and recalled is specified. This document is a self-consistent, organized compilation of the process as it was known at the time of publication. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-06.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: Title : IAB and IESG Selection, Confirmation, and Recall Process: Operation of the Nominating and Recall Committees Author(s) : J. Galvin Filename : draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-06.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2003-8-5 In Section 3 Item 7 Sub-item 8 Page 9, please ignore the following sentence in the first paragraph: This is because an individual is permitted to serve in more than one role although oral tradition does discourage the practice. It should have been deleted and thus will not be present in the final version. Sorry for the confusion, Jim From ietf-nomcom-errors@lists.elistx.com Thu Aug 7 10:35:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ90020474CDB@eListX.com> (original mail from nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us) ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ900201747CY@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJ900201747CW@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HJ90021072T3W@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16767; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:31:12 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-id: <200308071431.KAA16767@ietf.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ByEfJ4lcbfU994/oHs5DBw)" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: --Boundary_(ID_ByEfJ4lcbfU994/oHs5DBw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operation of the IESG/IAB Nominating and Recall Committees Working Group of the IETF. Title : IAB and IESG Selection, Confirmation, and Recall Process: Operation of the Nominating and Recall Committees Author(s) : J. Galvin Filename : draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2003-8-7 The process by which the members of the IAB and IESG are selected, confirmed, and recalled is specified. This document is a self-consistent, organized compilation of the process as it was known at the time of publication. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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This WG last call only involves changes made to the document following the 1st WG last call. The list of resolutions from the 1st WG last call that was sent out previously is appended below for reference. The draft can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt a. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- WGLC1-1: Sec 4 (8) Difficulty parsing the language. Resolution: Editorial change - new language to clarify ---------- WGLC1-2: Issue of whether a current IAB/IESG MUST resign when appointed to another job Resolution: While there is an oral tradition recommending against this, there was no consensus for making a rule against it. Language in oral tradition clarified to explicitly recommend against the practice. History: Resolution of previous discussion in point 4.3 of: http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-nomcom/200210/msg00002.html ---------- WGLC1-3: Sec 5 (8) Text should read that 'the prior year's chair or the person sitting in his or her place' may request a recall of the current chair. Resolution: Definition of Prior year's chair extended to include person taking the prior year's chair's seat. ---------- WGLC1-3: Sec 5 (11) Term "IETF Community" is ambiguous resolution: Term has been in document RFC for several versions and last call is not the best time to define new language. Issue not considered a show stopper by commenter. No change to document. WGLC1-5:Sec 5 (15) Sentence restructure requested: write 'candidate rejected by the confirming body' instead of 'rejected candidates'. Redundancy in written rule is problematic. Resolution: Editorial change - fix language. ---------- WGLC1-6:Sec 1. Language of when the draft takes effect very unclear and not specific as to how it is approved. Resolution: Sentence removed. ---------- WGLC1-7: Sec 3 (7-3) Language left in regarding Confirming Bodies consulting with Nomcom despite consensus against such language. Resolution: As this was an oversight, language will be corrected as suggested on the list. "The confirming bodies review their respective candidates, they may at their descretion communicate with the nominating committee, and then consent to some, all, or none of the candidates." ---------- WGLC1-8: Sec 4 (15) comment that 3 out of 5 still leaves the possibility that inexperienced attendees will end up on the nomcom and need to be brought up to speed at the expense of the process. A recommendation was made that would extend the rule to at least 4 of the last 8 IETF meetings and add the requirements that the first attendance must be at least 3 years prior to the date on which the solicitation for nominating. Resolution: This issue and many different variants for allowing for more experience and longevity in the organization were discussed at length earlier on the list and in the face to face meeting in Atlanta. The consensus after discussing many possibilities was to extend the model to the proposed 3 out of 5 model plus the note about the expectation that volunteers be familiar with the IETF and processes and procedures. As the issue was discussed in detail and consensus was reached, it will not be reopened at this time. History: The issues as discussed on the list were summed up in: http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-nomcom/200211/msg00007.html The discussion was then taken into IETF55 were there was a unanimous hum in favor of the 3/5 rule. Subsequent to this, the hum was reported on the list and there were extensive discussions about the number of eligible candidates following the the 2/3 and 3/5 rules as this had been brought up as a question during IETF55. These was consensus on the list for the change to the 3/5 rule. The change was made in draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-03.txt, and was announced on the list in: http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-nomcom/200302/msg00000.html Until the last call comment, there was no further discussion of this issue. From ietf-nomcom-errors@lists.elistx.com Mon Aug 11 08:15:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJG00D04EX9KM@eListX.com> (original mail from brc@zurich.ibm.com); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJG00D01EX7KK@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJG00D01EX7KH@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d12lmsgate-4.de.ibm.com (d12lmsgate-4.de.ibm.com [194.196.100.237]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HJG00C8DEX54I@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by d12lmsgate-4.de.ibm.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7BC3pR8093962 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:03:51 +0200 Received: from ochsehorn.zurich.ibm.com (ochsehorn.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.140]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.9/NCO/VER6.5) with ESMTP id h7BC3owL265264 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:03:51 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (dhcp22-107.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.22.107]) by ochsehorn.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA54228 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:03:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:03:46 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: 2nd Working Group Last call: 8 - 15 Aug 2003 To: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com Message-id: <3F378622.110D1228@zurich.ibm.com> Organization: IBM MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,fr,de References: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: I think this is ready for the IESG Brian Avri Doria wrote: > > Now that draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt has ben released, > a 2nd WG last call is being held starting immediately and ending > Friday 15 August (any time zone) 2003. > > This WG last call only involves changes made to the document > following the 1st WG last call. The list of resolutions from the > 1st WG last call that was sent out previously is appended below > for reference. > > The draft can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt > > a. From ietf-nomcom-errors@lists.elistx.com Sun Aug 17 00:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G02X57TH@eListX.com> (original mail from ietf-nomcom+moderator@lists.elistx.com); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G01WCRBR@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom+moderator@lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G01WCRBQ@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom+moderator@lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com) ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G04WCQBN@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom+moderator@lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G01WCPBL@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HJQ00G01WCOBK@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com); Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HJQ009N9WCOWO@eListX.com> for ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oEeQ-000MGB-TP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 03:56:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:56:13 +0900 From: avri Subject: 2nd Working Last Call - Ended To: ietf-nomcom@lists.elistx.com Cc: Harald Alvestrand Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=7.5 tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: Hi, As there were no issue comments on http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nomcom-rfc2727bis-07.txt I am going to pass it on the IESG as having WG rough consensus. Thanks to all who commented on and contributed to this draft. a.