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Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are PDL, =
which means printer-device specific.

A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the first =
tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript setpagedevic=
e commands.=20

How will the new command set definition handles this case?

Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device control p=
art?
Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?

George


 -----Original Message-----
From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] On=
 Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:56 AM
To: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald
Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for IANA=
Printer MIB (30 April 2010)

Hi,

This call for review will end on Friday 14 May 2010.

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/iana/langpdf-20100414.txt
- full text also below in my previous note

Before registering these PDF, PostScript, and PCL printer
language variants with IANA, your IETF Designated Experts
(Mike Sweet and Ira McDonald) would like to solicit any last
comments or additions from the larger PWG community.

The two major use cases for these language variants are:

(1) Driver installation based on 1284 Device ID strings
      - i.e., selecting appropriate device drivers during
      local or network printer installation

(2) Content generation based on 1284 Device ID strings
      - i.e., generating the correct subset of a language in
      an intelligent application generating print-ready output

Please take a few minutes to review and comment.

Cheers,
- Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> Hi,
>
> [For review at WIMS WG teleconference on 19 April 2010]
>
>
> Added PCL3GUI in this second draft, per Mike Sweet's comment.
>
> Per requests from Linux Foundation Open Printing WG and Jerry
> Thrasher (Lexmark), I just posted proposed text for new values of
> PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC in the IANA Printer MIB at:
>
> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/iana/langpdf-20100414.txt
>
> These values specify variants of the PDF, PostScript, and PCL
> printer languages, for machine-readable clarity (since the other
> version fields in prtInterpreterTable in IETF Printer MIB are NOT
> standardized and are therefore NOT reliably machine-readable).
>
> Full text is also included below (hint - view in a fixed width font).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Permanent enumerated name/value registrations for IANA Printer MIB
>
> In PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC, delete comma after 'langXHTMLPrint(71)'
> and add the following:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDFis(72), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- PWG PDF Image-S=
treamable (PWG 5102.3)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- ftp://pwg.org/p=
ub/pwg/candidates/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 cs-ifxpdfis=
10-20040315-5102.3.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF13(73), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable =
Document Format v1.3
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/devnet/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD=
FReference13.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF14(74), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable =
Document Format v1.4
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/devnet/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD=
FReference.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF15(75), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable =
Document Format v1.5
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/devnet/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD=
FReference15_v5.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF16(76), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable =
Document Format v1.6
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/devnet/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD=
FReference16.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF17(77), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable =
Document Format v1.7
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/devnet/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 acrobat/pdf=
s/pdf_reference_1-7.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Equivalent to I=
SO 32000-1:2008
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
DF'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPS2(78), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe PostScrip=
t Second Edition
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://partners=
.adobe.com/public/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 developer/e=
n/ps/psrefman.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
S'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPS3(79), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe PostScrip=
t Third Edition
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob=
e.com/products/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 postscript/=
pdfs/PLRM.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
S'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCL3(80), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- HP Printer Comm=
and Language 3
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- No technical re=
ference manual online
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
CL'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCL3GUI(81), =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- HP Printer Comm=
and Language 3 GUI
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- No technical re=
ference manual online
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
CL'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCL5e(82), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- HP Printer Comm=
and Language 5 Enhanced
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://h20000.w=
ww2.hp.com/bc/docs/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 support/Sup=
portManual/bpl13210/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 bpl13210.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
CL'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCL5c(83) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Not in RFC 3805
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- HP Printer Comm=
and Language 5 Color
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://h20000.w=
ww2.hp.com/bc/docs/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 support/Sup=
portManual/bpl13212/
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 bpl13212.pdf
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP=
CL'
>
> Proposed: Ira McDonald (High North) and Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark)
> Reviewed: Email discussion on Printer MIB mailing list
> Approved: <TBD>
> By: =A0 =A0 =A0 Ira McDonald (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)
> Email: =A0 =A0blueroofmusic@gmail.com
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Hi George,

Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
of these printer languages.

The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
for these other device-specific aspects.

The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.

So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
be registered with IANA.

All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com> wrote:
> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>
> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript setpagedevice commands.
>
> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>
> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device control part?
> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>
> George
>
>

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Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?

There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
able to generate PCL-XL.

George

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Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
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Hi George,

Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
of these printer languages.

The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
for these other device-specific aspects.

The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.

So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
be registered with IANA.

All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
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  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
wrote:
> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>
> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
setpagedevice commands.
>
> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>
> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
control part?
> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>
> George
>
>

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On May 3, 2010, at 9:50 AM, George Liu wrote:
> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are PDL=
, which means printer-device specific.

PostScript and PCL *can* be device-independent as long as you stay away fro=
m obvious device-specific commands or settings. In all cases (even for PDF!=
) you have to make certain assumptions about supported media, margins, reso=
lutions, and color spaces, or gather this information from other sources - =
see below.

> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the firs=
t tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript setpagedev=
ice commands.=20
>=20
> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>=20
> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device control=
 part?
> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?

I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families. Device-=
specific capability or feature information (tray numbers, etc.) has to be l=
ooked up separately. Today this means using the 1284 device ID to look up a=
n appropriate printer driver, and for some devices this means (for example)=
 picking between the PostScript, PCL 6, or PCL 5e driver depending on what =
the customer purchased.

This is one of the problems that IPP Everywhere is trying to solve, BTW...

>=20
> George
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] =
On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald
> Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for IA=
NAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> This call for review will end on Friday 14 May 2010.
>=20
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/iana/langpdf-20100414.txt
> - full text also below in my previous note
>=20
> Before registering these PDF, PostScript, and PCL printer
> language variants with IANA, your IETF Designated Experts
> (Mike Sweet and Ira McDonald) would like to solicit any last
> comments or additions from the larger PWG community.
>=20
> The two major use cases for these language variants are:
>=20
> (1) Driver installation based on 1284 Device ID strings
>      - i.e., selecting appropriate device drivers during
>      local or network printer installation
>=20
> (2) Content generation based on 1284 Device ID strings
>      - i.e., generating the correct subset of a language in
>      an intelligent application generating print-ready output
>=20
> Please take a few minutes to review and comment.
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)
>=20
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> [For review at WIMS WG teleconference on 19 April 2010]
>>=20
>>=20
>> Added PCL3GUI in this second draft, per Mike Sweet's comment.
>>=20
>> Per requests from Linux Foundation Open Printing WG and Jerry
>> Thrasher (Lexmark), I just posted proposed text for new values of
>> PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC in the IANA Printer MIB at:
>>=20
>>  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/iana/langpdf-20100414.txt
>>=20
>> These values specify variants of the PDF, PostScript, and PCL
>> printer languages, for machine-readable clarity (since the other
>> version fields in prtInterpreterTable in IETF Printer MIB are NOT
>> standardized and are therefore NOT reliably machine-readable).
>>=20
>> Full text is also included below (hint - view in a fixed width font).
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)
>>=20
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Permanent enumerated name/value registrations for IANA Printer MIB
>>=20
>> In PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC, delete comma after 'langXHTMLPrint(71)'
>> and add the following:
>>=20
>>       langPDFis(72),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- PWG PDF Image-Streamable (PWG 5102.3)
>>                            -- ftp://pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/
>>                            --   cs-ifxpdfis10-20040315-5102.3.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPDF13(73),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe Portable Document Format v1.3
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
>>                            --   pdf/pdfs/PDFReference13.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPDF14(74),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe Portable Document Format v1.4
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
>>                            --   pdf/pdfs/PDFReference.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPDF15(75),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe Portable Document Format v1.5
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
>>                            --   pdf/pdfs/PDFReference15_v5.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPDF16(76),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe Portable Document Format v1.6
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
>>                            --   pdf/pdfs/PDFReference16.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPDF17(77),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe Portable Document Format v1.7
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
>>                            --   acrobat/pdfs/pdf_reference_1-7.pdf
>>                            -- Equivalent to ISO 32000-1:2008
>>                            -- See also 'langPDF'
>>       langPS2(78),         -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe PostScript Second Edition
>>                            -- http://partners.adobe.com/public/
>>                            --   developer/en/ps/psrefman.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPS'
>>       langPS3(79),         -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- Adobe PostScript Third Edition
>>                            -- http://www.adobe.com/products/
>>                            --   postscript/pdfs/PLRM.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPS'
>>       langPCL3(80),        -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- HP Printer Command Language 3
>>                            -- No technical reference manual online
>>                            -- See also 'langPCL'
>>       langPCL3GUI(81),     -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- HP Printer Command Language 3 GUI
>>                            -- No technical reference manual online
>>                            -- See also 'langPCL'
>>       langPCL5e(82),       -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- HP Printer Command Language 5 Enhanced
>>                            -- http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/
>>                            --   support/SupportManual/bpl13210/
>>                            --   bpl13210.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPCL'
>>       langPCL5c(83)        -- Not in RFC 3805
>>                            -- HP Printer Command Language 5 Color
>>                            -- http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/
>>                            --   support/SupportManual/bpl13212/
>>                            --   bpl13212.pdf
>>                            -- See also 'langPCL'
>>=20
>> Proposed: Ira McDonald (High North) and Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark)
>> Reviewed: Email discussion on Printer MIB mailing list
>> Approved: <TBD>
>> By:       Ira McDonald (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB)
>> Email:    blueroofmusic@gmail.com
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On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?

Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:

        langPCLXL(47),       -- Not in RFC 1759
                             -- Printer Control Language. Extended
                             -- language features for printing, and
                             -- printer control.
                             -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
                             -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
                             -- Technical reference manual: None
                             -- Hewlett-Packard Co.

> 
> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
> able to generate PCL-XL.
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
> of these printer languages.
> 
> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
> for these other device-specific aspects.
> 
> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
> 
> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
> be registered with IANA.
> 
> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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> 
> 
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
> wrote:
>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>> 
>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
> setpagedevice commands.
>> 
>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>> 
>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
> control part?
>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> 

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> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.=20

I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI, langP=
CL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Printer Comma=
nd Language xxx"

George

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Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
To: George Liu
Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for =
IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
=20
On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?

Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:

        langPCLXL(47),       -- Not in RFC 1759
                             -- Printer Control Language. Extended
                             -- language features for printing, and
                             -- printer control.
                             -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
                             -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
                             -- Technical reference manual: None
                             -- Hewlett-Packard Co.

>=20
> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
> able to generate PCL-XL.
>=20
> George
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>=20
> Hi George,
>=20
> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
> of these printer languages.
>=20
> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
> for these other device-specific aspects.
>=20
> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>=20
> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
> be registered with IANA.
>=20
> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
> wrote:
>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>=20
>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
> setpagedevice commands.
>>=20
>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>=20
>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
> control part?
>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>=20
>> George
>>=20
>>=20

________________________________________________________________________
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I think we are stuck treating these as languages/lan=
guage families.<BR>
<BR>
I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI, langP=
CL5e, langPCL5c. Rename &quot;HP Printer Command Language xxx&quot; to &quo=
t;Printer Command Language xxx&quot;<BR>
<BR>
George<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Michael Sweet [<A HREF=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@appl=
e.com</A>]<BR>
Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM<BR>
To: George Liu<BR>
Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for =
IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)<BR>
<BR>
On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:<BR>
&gt; Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?<BR>
<BR>
Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; langPCLXL(47),&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Not in RFC 1759<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Printer Control Language. Extended<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- language features for printing, and<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- printer control.<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Technical reference manual: None<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Hewlett-Packard Co.<BR>
<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers i=
s<BR>
&gt; able to generate PCL-XL.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; George<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; From: Ira McDonald [<A HREF=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">mailto:=
blueroofmusic@gmail.com</A>]<BR>
&gt; Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM<BR>
&gt; To: George Liu; Ira McDonald<BR>
&gt; Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet<BR>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants=
<BR>
&gt; for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Hi George,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect<BR>
&gt; of these printer languages.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of<BR>
&gt; printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)<BR>
&gt; for these other device-specific aspects.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords<BR>
&gt; or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify<BR>
&gt; any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should<BR>
&gt; be registered with IANA.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB<BR>
&gt; integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.&nbsp; Other objects such<BR>
&gt; as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can<BR>
&gt; be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Cheers,<BR>
&gt; - Ira<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>
&gt; Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<BR>
&gt; Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG<BR>
&gt; IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<BR>
&gt; Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<BR>
&gt; <A HREF=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic">http://sites.go=
ogle.com/site/blueroofmusic</A><BR>
&gt; <A HREF=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc">http://sites.goo=
gle.com/site/highnorthinc</A><BR>
&gt; <A HREF=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.=
com</A><BR>
&gt; winter:<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; 734-944-0094<BR>
&gt; summer:<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; 906-494-2434<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu &lt;george.liu@ricoh-tech.=
com&gt;<BR>
&gt; wrote:<BR>
&gt;&gt; Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL =
are<BR>
&gt; PDL, which means printer-device specific.<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt; A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means t=
he<BR>
&gt; first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.<BR>
&gt;&gt; Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript<BR>
&gt; setpagedevice commands.<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt; How will the new command set definition handles this case?<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt; Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device<=
BR>
&gt; control part?<BR>
&gt;&gt; Or are we making &quot;langPCL5e&quot; only for a specific vender?=
<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt; George<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
&gt;&gt;<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript de=
scriptions to match the format of the current registrations:

        langPCL(3),          -- PCL.  Starting with PCL version 5,
                             -- HP-GL/2 is included as part of the
                             -- PCL language.
                             -- PCL and HP-GL/2 are registered
                             -- trademarks of Hewlett-Packard
                             -- Company.
        langPS(6),           -- PostScript (tm) Language
                             -- Postscript - a trademark of Adobe
                             -- Systems Incorporated which may be
                             -- registered in certain jurisdictions
Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are alread=
y using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need =
updating.

On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:

> > I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>=20
> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI, lan=
gPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Printer Com=
mand Language xxx"
>=20
> George
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
> To: George Liu
> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants fo=
r IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>=20
> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
> > Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>=20
> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>=20
>         langPCLXL(47),       -- Not in RFC 1759
>                              -- Printer Control Language. Extended
>                              -- language features for printing, and
>                              -- printer control.
>                              -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
>                              -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
>                              -- Technical reference manual: None
>                              -- Hewlett-Packard Co.
>=20
> >
> > There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
> > able to generate PCL-XL.
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
> > To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
> > Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
> > Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
> > for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
> > of these printer languages.
> >
> > The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
> > printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
> > for these other device-specific aspects.
> >
> > The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
> > or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
> >
> > So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
> > any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
> > be registered with IANA.
> >
> > All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
> > integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
> > as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
> > be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Ira
> >
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> > winter:
> >  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
> >  734-944-0094
> > summer:
> >  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
> >  906-494-2434
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
> > PDL, which means printer-device specific.
> >>
> >> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
> > first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
> >> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
> > setpagedevice commands.
> >>
> >> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
> >>
> >> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
> > control part?
> >> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
>=20
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:=
 space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">That's probably appropriat=
e; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript descriptions to match the fo=
rmat of the current registrations:<div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"word-wr=
ap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; ">        langPCL(3),          -- PC=
L.  Starting with PCL version 5,
                             -- HP-GL/2 is included as part of the
                             -- PCL language.
                             -- PCL and HP-GL/2 are registered
                             -- trademarks of Hewlett-Packard
                             -- Company.
</pre><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: monospace=
; white-space: pre-wrap; ">        langPS(6),           -- PostScript (tm) =
Language</span></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"monospac=
e"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Geneva; white-space: norma=
l; "><pre style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; ">        =
                     -- Postscript - a trademark of Adobe
                             -- Systems Incorporated which may be
                             -- registered in certain jurisdictions
</pre><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"monospace"><span class=
=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;">Looks like the exist=
ing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are already using the same con=
ventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need updating.</span></fo=
nt></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"monospace"><span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font>=
</div></span></span></font></div><div><div>On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Geor=
ge Liu wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">
<div>
<!-- Converted from text/plain format --><p><font size=3D"2">&gt; I think w=
e are stuck treating these as languages/language families.<br>
<br>
I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI, langP=
CL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Printer Comma=
nd Language xxx"<br>
<br>
George<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@appl=
e.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM<br>
To: George Liu<br>
Cc: Ira McDonald; <a href=3D"mailto:pwg-announce@pwg.org">pwg-announce@pwg.=
org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for =
IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)<br>
<br>
On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:<br>
&gt; Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?<br>
<br>
Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; langPCLXL(47),&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Not in RFC 1759<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Printer Control Language. Extended<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- language features for printing, and<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- printer control.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Technical reference manual: None<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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&gt;<br>
&gt; There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers i=
s<br>
&gt; able to generate PCL-XL.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; George<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Ira McDonald [<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">mailto:=
blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM<br>
&gt; To: George Liu; Ira McDonald<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwg-announce@pwg.org">pwg-announce@pwg.org</a>; =
Michael R Sweet<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants=
<br>
&gt; for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi George,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect<br>
&gt; of these printer languages.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of<br>
&gt; printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)<br>
&gt; for these other device-specific aspects.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords<br>
&gt; or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify<br>
&gt; any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should<br>
&gt; be registered with IANA.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB<br>
&gt; integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.&nbsp; Other objects such<br>
&gt; as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can<br>
&gt; be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; - Ira<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
&gt; Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
&gt; Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG<br>
&gt; IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
&gt; Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic">http://sites.go=
ogle.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc">http://sites.goo=
gle.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.=
com</a><br>
&gt; winter:<br>
&gt;&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176<br>
&gt;&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br>
&gt; summer:<br>
&gt;&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839<br>
&gt;&nbsp; 906-494-2434<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geor=
ge.liu@ricoh-tech.com">george.liu@ricoh-tech.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL =
are<br>
&gt; PDL, which means printer-device specific.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means t=
he<br>
&gt; first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.<br>
&gt;&gt; Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript<br>
&gt; setpagedevice commands.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; How will the new command set definition handles this case?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device<=
br>
&gt; control part?<br>
&gt;&gt; Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; George<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
________________________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for  IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
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Hi George and Mike,

I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.

Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.

Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.

If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
comments).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript
> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>
>         langPCL(3),          -- PCL.  Starting with PCL version 5,
>                              -- HP-GL/2 is included as part of the
>                              -- PCL language.
>                              -- PCL and HP-GL/2 are registered
>                              -- trademarks of Hewlett-Packard
>                              -- Company.
>
> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>
>                              -- Postscript - a trademark of Adobe
>                              -- Systems Incorporated which may be
>                              -- registered in certain jurisdictions
>
> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are alre=
ady
> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need
> updating.
> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>
>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>
> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Printer
> Command Language xxx"
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
> To: George Liu
> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for
> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>
> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>
> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 langPCLXL(47),=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- Not in RFC 1759
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- Printer Control Language. Extended
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- language features for printing, and
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- printer control.
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- Technical reference manual: None
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- Hewlett-Packard Co.
>
>>
>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>
>> George
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>> of these printer languages.
>>
>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>
>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>
>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>> be registered with IANA.
>>
>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.=A0 Other objects such
>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>> winter:
>>=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
>>=A0 734-944-0094
>> summer:
>>=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>=A0 906-494-2434
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>
>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>
>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>
>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>> control part?
>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>
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On May 3, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
> Hi George and Mike,
>=20
> I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
> ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.

Ira, I'm not suggesting that we drop "HP" or "Adobe", just that we adopt th=
e format used by the current entries (which puts the vendor name *after* th=
e format name) for consistency. I absolutely agree that we need to still ha=
ve the vendor listed since HP and Adobe control/own the corresponding forma=
ts.

> Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
> language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
> This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
> future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.
>=20
> Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
> IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.
>=20
> If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
> of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
> comments).
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript
>> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>>=20
>>        langPCL(3),          -- PCL.  Starting with PCL version 5,
>>                             -- HP-GL/2 is included as part of the
>>                             -- PCL language.
>>                             -- PCL and HP-GL/2 are registered
>>                             -- trademarks of Hewlett-Packard
>>                             -- Company.
>>=20
>> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>>=20
>>                             -- Postscript - a trademark of Adobe
>>                             -- Systems Incorporated which may be
>>                             -- registered in certain jurisdictions
>>=20
>> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are alr=
eady
>> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need
>> updating.
>> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>=20
>>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>>=20
>> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
>> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Print=
er
>> Command Language xxx"
>>=20
>> George
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
>> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
>> To: George Liu
>> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants f=
or
>> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>=20
>> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>>=20
>> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>>=20
>>         langPCLXL(47),       -- Not in RFC 1759
>>                              -- Printer Control Language. Extended
>>                              -- language features for printing, and
>>                              -- printer control.
>>                              -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
>>                              -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
>>                              -- Technical reference manual: None
>>                              -- Hewlett-Packard Co.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
>>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>>=20
>>> George
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>>> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>=20
>>> Hi George,
>>>=20
>>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>>> of these printer languages.
>>>=20
>>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>>=20
>>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>>=20
>>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>>> be registered with IANA.
>>>=20
>>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily.  Other objects such
>>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Ira
>>>=20
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>>> winter:
>>>   579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>>>   734-944-0094
>>> summer:
>>>   PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>>   906-494-2434
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>>=20
>>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>>=20
>>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>>=20
>>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>>> control part?
>>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>>=20
>>>> George
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>=20
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20

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Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for  IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
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Hi Mike,

Ah - I think I understand what you mean now.

In most Printer MIB v1/v2 entries as well as *all*
of the PDF/PS/PCL proposed entries, the vendor
name is BEFORE the name of the language in the
ASN.1 comments - that's where it belongs.

And there is no IANA procedure for changing the
comments on an *already* registered value (such as
you suggested for the base PS and PCL values).

I want to avoid changing Printer MIB v1 registrations,
for stability - unless they're seriously defective - there's
deployed software out there that displays these ASN.1
comments in a "more info" tab/button.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
>> Hi George and Mike,
>>
>> I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
>> ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.
>
> Ira, I'm not suggesting that we drop "HP" or "Adobe", just that we adopt =
the format used by the current entries (which puts the vendor name *after* =
the format name) for consistency. I absolutely agree that we need to still =
have the vendor listed since HP and Adobe control/own the corresponding for=
mats.
>
>> Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
>> language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
>> This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
>> future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.
>>
>> Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
>> IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.
>>
>> If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
>> of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
>> comments).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>> winter:
>> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>> =A0734-944-0094
>> summer:
>> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>> =A0906-494-2434
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>>> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript
>>> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0langPCL(3), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- PCL. =A0Starting with =
PCL version 5,
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- HP-GL/2 is i=
ncluded as part of the
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL language.
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL and HP-G=
L/2 are registered
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- trademarks o=
f Hewlett-Packard
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Company.
>>>
>>> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Postscript -=
 a trademark of Adobe
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Systems Inco=
rporated which may be
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- registered i=
n certain jurisdictions
>>>
>>> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are al=
ready
>>> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need
>>> updating.
>>> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>>>
>>> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
>>> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Prin=
ter
>>> Command Language xxx"
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
>>> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
>>> To: George Liu
>>> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants =
for
>>> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>>>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>>>
>>> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCLXL(47), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 1759
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Printer C=
ontrol Language. Extended
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- language =
features for printing, and
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- printer c=
ontrol.
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Tammy Fer=
guson (HP)
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- and Binnu=
r Al-Kazily (HP)
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Technical=
 reference manual: None
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Hewlett-P=
ackard Co.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
>>>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>>>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>>>> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>>>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>>>> of these printer languages.
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>>>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>>>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>>>
>>>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>>>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>>>
>>>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>>>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>>>> be registered with IANA.
>>>>
>>>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>>>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily. =A0Other objects such
>>>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>>>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira
>>>>
>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>>>> winter:
>>>> =A0 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>>>> =A0 734-944-0094
>>>> summer:
>>>> =A0 PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>>> =A0 906-494-2434
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>>>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>>>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>>>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>>>
>>>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>>>> control part?
>>>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Ira,

You mentioned in your previous posting the following MIB field:
prtInterpreterLangFamily, prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescrip=
tion.

Is the newly defined PDL values for any of the fields?
It looks like it's pretty hard to divide "langPDFis" into interpreter famil=
y field and language level field programmatically.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:15 PM
To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
Cc: George Liu; pwg-announce@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for =
IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)

Hi Mike,

Ah - I think I understand what you mean now.

In most Printer MIB v1/v2 entries as well as *all*
of the PDF/PS/PCL proposed entries, the vendor
name is BEFORE the name of the language in the
ASN.1 comments - that's where it belongs.

And there is no IANA procedure for changing the
comments on an *already* registered value (such as
you suggested for the base PS and PCL values).

I want to avoid changing Printer MIB v1 registrations,
for stability - unless they're seriously defective - there's
deployed software out there that displays these ASN.1
comments in a "more info" tab/button.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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winter:
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
>> Hi George and Mike,
>>
>> I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
>> ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.
>
> Ira, I'm not suggesting that we drop "HP" or "Adobe", just that we adopt =
the format used by the current entries (which puts the vendor name *after* =
the format name) for consistency. I absolutely agree that we need to still =
have the vendor listed since HP and Adobe control/own the corresponding for=
mats.
>
>> Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
>> language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
>> This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
>> future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.
>>
>> Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
>> IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.
>>
>> If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
>> of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
>> comments).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>> winter:
>> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>> =A0734-944-0094
>> summer:
>> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>> =A0906-494-2434
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>>> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript
>>> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0langPCL(3), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- PCL. =A0Starting with =
PCL version 5,
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- HP-GL/2 is i=
ncluded as part of the
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL language.
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL and HP-G=
L/2 are registered
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- trademarks o=
f Hewlett-Packard
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Company.
>>>
>>> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Postscript -=
 a trademark of Adobe
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Systems Inco=
rporated which may be
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- registered i=
n certain jurisdictions
>>>
>>> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are al=
ready
>>> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need
>>> updating.
>>> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>>>
>>> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
>>> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Prin=
ter
>>> Command Language xxx"
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
>>> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
>>> To: George Liu
>>> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants =
for
>>> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>>>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>>>
>>> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCLXL(47), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 1759
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Printer C=
ontrol Language. Extended
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- language =
features for printing, and
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- printer c=
ontrol.
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Tammy Fer=
guson (HP)
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- and Binnu=
r Al-Kazily (HP)
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Technical=
 reference manual: None
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Hewlett-P=
ackard Co.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
>>>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>>>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>>>> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>>>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>>>> of these printer languages.
>>>>
>>>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>>>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>>>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>>>
>>>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>>>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>>>
>>>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>>>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>>>> be registered with IANA.
>>>>
>>>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>>>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily. =A0Other objects such
>>>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>>>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira
>>>>
>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>>>> winter:
>>>> =A0 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>>>> =A0 734-944-0094
>>>> summer:
>>>> =A0 PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>>> =A0 906-494-2434
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>>>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>>>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>>>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>>>
>>>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>>>> control part?
>>>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi George,

These language variant tags are *all* for addition to the textual
convention PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC in the IANA Printer MIB
(original version in RFC 3805) for use in prtInterpreterLangFamily
object.

When the PWG PDF/is variant is registered, there will be no need
to qualify it in prtInterpreterLangLevel - it's independent.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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winter:
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com> wro=
te:
> Ira,
>
> You mentioned in your previous posting the following MIB field:
> prtInterpreterLangFamily, prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescr=
iption.
>
> Is the newly defined PDL values for any of the fields?
> It looks like it's pretty hard to divide "langPDFis" into interpreter fam=
ily field and language level field programmatically.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
> Cc: George Liu; pwg-announce@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants fo=
r IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Ah - I think I understand what you mean now.
>
> In most Printer MIB v1/v2 entries as well as *all*
> of the PDF/PS/PCL proposed entries, the vendor
> name is BEFORE the name of the language in the
> ASN.1 comments - that's where it belongs.
>
> And there is no IANA procedure for changing the
> comments on an *already* registered value (such as
> you suggested for the base PS and PCL values).
>
> I want to avoid changing Printer MIB v1 registrations,
> for stability - unless they're seriously defective - there's
> deployed software out there that displays these ASN.1
> comments in a "more info" tab/button.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
> =A0734-944-0094
> summer:
> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
> =A0906-494-2434
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>> On May 3, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
>>> Hi George and Mike,
>>>
>>> I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
>>> ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.
>>
>> Ira, I'm not suggesting that we drop "HP" or "Adobe", just that we adopt=
 the format used by the current entries (which puts the vendor name *after*=
 the format name) for consistency. I absolutely agree that we need to still=
 have the vendor listed since HP and Adobe control/own the corresponding fo=
rmats.
>>
>>> Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
>>> language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
>>> This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
>>> future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.
>>>
>>> Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
>>> IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.
>>>
>>> If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
>>> of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
>>> comments).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Ira
>>>
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>>> winter:
>>> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>>> =A0734-944-0094
>>> summer:
>>> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>> =A0906-494-2434
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>>>> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScri=
pt
>>>> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0langPCL(3), =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- PCL. =A0Starting with=
 PCL version 5,
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- HP-GL/2 is =
included as part of the
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL languag=
e.
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- PCL and HP-=
GL/2 are registered
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- trademarks =
of Hewlett-Packard
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Company.
>>>>
>>>> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Postscript =
- a trademark of Adobe
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Systems Inc=
orporated which may be
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- registered =
in certain jurisdictions
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are a=
lready
>>>> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions ne=
ed
>>>> updating.
>>>> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
>>>> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Pri=
nter
>>>> Command Language xxx"
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
>>>> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
>>>> To: George Liu
>>>> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce@pwg.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants=
 for
>>>> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>>>>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>>>>
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 langPCLXL(47), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 1759
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Printer =
Control Language. Extended
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- language=
 features for printing, and
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- printer =
control.
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Tammy Fe=
rguson (HP)
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- and Binn=
ur Al-Kazily (HP)
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Technica=
l reference manual: None
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Hewlett-=
Packard Co.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers =
is
>>>>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>>>>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>>>>> Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>>>>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>
>>>>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>>>>> of these printer languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>>>>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>>>>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>>>>
>>>>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>>>>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>>>>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>>>>> be registered with IANA.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>>>>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily. =A0Other objects such
>>>>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>>>>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> - Ira
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>>>>> winter:
>>>>> =A0 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
>>>>> =A0 734-944-0094
>>>>> summer:
>>>>> =A0 PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>>>> =A0 906-494-2434
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.co=
m>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>>>>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>>>>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>>>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>>>>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>>>>> control part?
>>>>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________________=
__
>>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________________=
__
>>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Greetings:

This email initiates the Formal Approval vote by the PWG membership on the
PWG Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID, which is located at:

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmp1284cmdset10-20100427.pdf

The complete list of PWG Last Call issues and resolutions is located at:

 
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/pmp1284cmdset-last-call-comment-resolution-
20100415.txt

The voting period will open today on Friday 7 May 2010 and will close at
10pm (US Pacific Time) on Monday 31 May 2010.

Valid votes are:  Yes, No, No (with Strong Objection), Abstain.

Representatives from PWG member companies are strongly encouraged to
exercise their right to vote.

To vote, send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:

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Please do NOT simply reply to this note on PWG-Announce.

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Paul Tykodi (PWG Secretary)

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Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
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If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
 - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf
   <v25 draft not available from 19 April>

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
 - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-20100419-rev.pdf

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
 - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-20100418-rev.pdf
 <no new draft available after conference call on 19 April 2010>

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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I've posted the April 19 minutes at:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/IPP
<ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/IPP WG telecon minutes -
2010-04-19.pdf>  WG telecon minutes - 2010-04-19.pdf

 

and the updated JPS2 document at:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509-rev.doc

 

The change log is:


18.1       19 April 2010 (v26)


1.       Section 1.1 Additional attributes for use with the Hold-Job
operation: Agreed to NOT add any of the 3 new operation attributes
'job-hold-until-time', 'job-delay-output-until' and
'job-delay-output-until-time' to the existing Job-Hold operation, but
implementers are free to do so.  Instead, only add these 3 to
Set-Job-Attributes operation (as well as the Job Creation operations).  Then
it is clear what the effect  will be on a job, since the attributes are
explicitly supplied in the operation.

2.       Section 8 Additional attributes for use with the Set-Job-Attributes
operation : Agreed that the 'job-hold-until' and 'job-hold-until-time' are
mutually exclusive, and that setting one with Set-Job-Attributes, cancels
the effect of the other.  Same for 'job-delay-output-until' and
job-delay-output-until-time.  However, that either of the attributes of the
first pair can be supplied along with either of the second pair and they
independently control the holding the processing and the delaying output of
the job.  Add section to explain this.

 

Tom

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 13:50
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Subject: [IPP] Next IPP Call - Monday 10 May 2010

 

Hi,

 

Our next IPP WG teleconference has been delayed to a week later:

 

  Monday 10 May 2010 - 4-5pm US EDT

 

Agenda to be announced sometime next week.

 

Cheers,

- Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG

Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG

IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>I've posted the April 19 minutes at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><a
href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/IPP WG telecon minutes - 2010=
-04-19.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/IPP
WG telecon minutes - 2010-04-19.pdf</a><span class=3DMsoHyperlink><u><font
color=3Dblue><o:p></o:p></font></u></span></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>and the updated JPS2 document at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><a
href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509=
-rev.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-201005=
09-rev.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><a
href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509=
-rev.doc">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-201005=
09-rev.doc</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>The change log is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<h2 style=3D'margin-left:0in;text-indent:0in;mso-list:none'><a
name=3D"_Toc261217141"><b><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt'>18.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 19
April 2010 (v26)</span></font></b></a><o:p></o:p></h2>

<p class=3DMsoBodyText style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-li=
st:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><span style=3D'mso-l=
ist:Ignore'>1.<font
size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roma=
n"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>Section 1.1 Additional attribu=
tes for use with the Hold-Job operation: Agreed to NOT add any of the 3 new=
 operation attributes 'job-hold-until-time',
'job-delay-output-until' and 'job-delay-output-until-time' to the existing
Job-Hold operation, but implementers are free to do so.&nbsp; Instead, only=
 add
these 3 to Set-Job-Attributes operation (as well as the Job Creation
operations).&nbsp; Then it is clear what the effect&nbsp; will be on a job,
since the attributes are explicitly supplied in the operation.<o:p></o:p></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoBodyText style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-li=
st:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><span style=3D'mso-l=
ist:Ignore'>2.<font
size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roma=
n"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>Section 8 Additional attribute=
s for use with the Set-Job-Attributes operation : Agreed that the 'job-hold=
-until' and 'job-hold-until-time' are mutually exclusive, and
that setting one with Set-Job-Attributes, cancels the effect of the
other.&nbsp; Same for 'job-delay-output-until' and
job-delay-output-until-time.&nbsp; However, that either of the attributes of
the first pair can be supplied along with either of the second pair and they
independently control the holding the processing and the delaying output of=
 the
job.&nbsp; Add section to explain this.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald<br>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 13:50<br>
To: ipp@pwg.org; Ira McDonald<br>
Subject: [IPP] Next IPP Call - Monday 10 May 2010</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Our next IPP WG teleconference has been delayed to a week later:<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>&nbsp; Monday 10 May 2010 - 4-5pm <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><=
st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> EDT<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Agenda to be announced sometime next week.<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>winter:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>&nbsp; <st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street w:st=3D"on">579 Park Pl=
ace</st1:Street>&nbsp;
 <st1:City w:st=3D"on">Saline</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st=3D"on">MI</st1:St=
ate>&nbsp;
 <st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">48176</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><o:p></o:p=
></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>&nbsp; 734-944-0094<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt'>summer:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-size:
10.0pt'>&nbsp; <st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street w:st=3D"on">PO Box</st1=
:Street>
 221</st1:address>&nbsp; Grand <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on"=
>Marais</st1:City>,
 <st1:State w:st=3D"on">MI</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">49839</s=
t1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'=
font-size:
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Here is the LiveMeeting information for this week's IPP teleconference

Attendee URL:
https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DZWPJP9&role=3Dattend&pw=3DQs=
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5E-HnP=20

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Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 10 May 2010

Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
 - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf
   <v25 draft not available from 19 April>

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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summer:
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Hi,

Correct link to the IPP minutes from 19 April that Tom Hastings posted is:

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100419.pdf

Cheers,
- Ira

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A suggestion to IPPv2.

Instead of defining IPP 2.0/2.1/2.0, have the working group considered
adding a IPP operation like "KnownMessages", which returns the list of
operations a printer supports (delete/hold/etc)

George



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Subject: [IPP] MORE REVISED: IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 10 May 2010

Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
 - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-20100418-rev.
pdf
 <no new draft available after conference call on 19 April 2010>

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
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summer:
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Hi George,

IPP/1.0 (RFC 2566) and IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) both defined
the REQUIRED Printer attribute "operations-supported" that
MUST list all supported IPP operations.

IPP Version 2.0 First Edition is a 2009 PWG Candidate
Standard - so your suggestion is a few years late.

Also, the specific reason for IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 is to include
*all* of the IETF and PWG IPP standards into named versions.
This work has been in progress for over 3 years now.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
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winter:
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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu@ricoh-tech.com> wr=
ote:
> A suggestion to IPPv2.
>
> Instead of defining IPP 2.0/2.1/2.0, have the working group considered
> adding a IPP operation like "KnownMessages", which returns the list of
> operations a printer supports (delete/hold/etc)
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
> McDonald
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:19 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; Tom Hastings; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Ira
> McDonald
> Subject: [IPP] MORE REVISED: IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 10 May 2010
>
> Hi,
>
> [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]
>
> Reminder of our next IPP WG call:
>
> =A0Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT
>
> =A0Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
> =A0Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
> =A0Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
>
> =A0Attendee Access Code: *******#
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>
> If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.
>
>
> *** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***
>
> Agenda:
>
> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
> =A0- Mike?
>
> (2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
> =A0- <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>
>
> (3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
> =A0- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf
>
> (4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
> =A0-
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf
>
> (5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
> =A0-
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-20100418-rev.
> pdf
> =A0<no new draft available after conference call on 19 April 2010>
>
> (6) Next Steps
> =A0- Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
> =A0- IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
> =A0- PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
> =A0- PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira (IPP co-editor)
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
> =A0734-944-0094
> summer:
> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
> =A0906-494-2434
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On May 10, 2010, at 9:50 AM, George Liu wrote:
> A suggestion to IPPv2.
>=20
> Instead of defining IPP 2.0/2.1/2.0, have the working group considered
> adding a IPP operation like "KnownMessages", which returns the list of
> operations a printer supports (delete/hold/etc)

George,

IPP already has an operations-supported attribute that lists the supported =
operations for a device. Similarly, there are other *-supported attributes =
that provide details for specific features of those operations and for supp=
orted job template attribute values.

The reason we have the 2.0/2.1/2.2 split is to make it easier for a vendor =
to describe/market what kinds of features a printer or print server support=
s.  Most printers currently fall into the IPP/2.0 category which provides b=
asic printing support using arbitrary document data, but nothing prevents a=
 vendor from implementing one or more extensions beyond IPP/2.0 including t=
hings like supporting standard document formats, job template attributes, e=
tc.  The existing IPP infrastructure allows a client to determine exactly w=
hat attributes and operations are supported.

>=20
> George
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
> McDonald
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:19 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; Tom Hastings; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Ira
> McDonald
> Subject: [IPP] MORE REVISED: IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 10 May 2010
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]
>=20
> Reminder of our next IPP WG call:
>=20
> Monday 10 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT
>=20
> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
>=20
> Attendee Access Code: *******#
> Attendee ID Code: # (empty)
>=20
> If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.
>=20
>=20
> *** Main Objective - review IPP/2.0 Second Edition from February ***
>=20
> Agenda:
>=20
> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
> - Mike?
>=20
> (2) Approve IPP minutes from 19 April teleconference
> - <none available - reviewed IPP JPS2 v24>
>=20
> (3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf
>=20
> (4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
> -
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf
>=20
> (5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
> -
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-20100418-rev.
> pdf
> <no new draft available after conference call on 19 April 2010>
>=20
> (6) Next Steps
> - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
> - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
> - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
> - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira (IPP co-editor)
>=20
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
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All,

I've posted today's minutes for the IPP telecon at:

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Please let me know if I've missed anyone or anything... :)

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Hi,

[Possible impact on your travel plans!!!]

Please note that the PWG Steering Committee agreed
last Thursday to *move* the June PWG F2F meetings to
Wednesday to Friday (9-11 June 2010) - one day later.

This is because the ISO SC28 meeting considering our
PWG Liaison request will be Tuesday 8 June.  Both Jerry
Thrasher (Lexmark) and Pete Zehler (Xerox) will attend the
ISO SC28 meeting on behalf of the PWG.

The current draft agenda for the June PWG F2F is:

Hosted by Xerox in Rochester, NY (US Eastern Daylight Time)

Wednesday 9 June
- 9am to 12pm  - MFD WG
- 12pm to 1pm  - Lunch
- 1pm to 5pm   - MFD WG

Thursday 10 June
- 9am to 11am  - WIMS WG
- 11am to 12pm - PWG Plenary
- 12pm to 1pm  - Lunch
- 1pm to 2pm   - Cloud Printing
- 2pm to 3pm   - IPP Everywhere BOF
- 3pm to 5pm   - IPP WG

Friday 11 June
- 9am to 12pm  - IDS WG
- 12pm to 1pm  - Lunch
- 1pm to 3pm   - IDS WG

The PWG Steering Committee will confirm the final agenda
this Thursday (after review by all WG Chairs), but the above
is a pretty firm agenda (all WG Chairs except for IDS have
already agreed to the above draft agenda).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Hi,

[Based on IPP WG partial review on 10 May and Gail's notes from
March - accepted all changes up to beginning of section 5 - any
redlines in sections 1 to 4 now reflect *new* changes]

I've just posted another Interim draft of IPP/2.0 Second Edition at:

 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512.pdf / doc
 - clean copy with line numbers

 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf / doc
 - redlines from February draft with line numbers

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira
--------------------------

Changes made to create 12 May 2010 version (Interim Draft)

Editorial =96 Kept status at Interim Draft

Editorial =96 Global =96 accepted all revisions up to beginning of
section 5, per IPP WG review

Editorial =96 Added =93(IPP/2.0 SE)=94 to end of title on cover page,
page 2, and headers, per Mike Sweet

Editorial =96 Revised section 3.3 Design Requirements to change
=93MUST=94 to =93should=94, per Tom Hastings

Editorial =96 Revised section 4 to mention the IPP/1.0 and IPP/1.1
specifications, per Bill Wagner

Editorial =96 Deleted former informative sections 4.1 IPP/1.0 and
4.2 IPP/1.1, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised new section 4.2 IPP/2.1 to add JPS2 as
RECOMMENDED, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised new section 4.2 IPP/2.1 to add Page Overrides
as RECOMMENDED, per editor=92s suggestion

Editorial =96 Revised new section 4.3 IPP/2.2 to delete PWG 5100.3
(no requirements beyond IPP/2.1) and add PWG 5100.7 (new
requirements beyond IPP/2.1), per Gail Giansiracusa

Technical =96 Revised section 5.1 IPP/1.1 to add =93(Informative)=94 to tit=
le,
per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised note 1 before Table 2 in section 5.2 IPP/2.0 to
change Validate-Job to RECOMMENDED and describe use case for
verification of end user access and authorization rights, per Mike Sweet

Technical =96 Revised note 1 in sections 5.3 IPP/2.1 and 5.4 IPP/2.2 to
restore Validate-Job to REQUIRED (as in IPP/2.0 First Edition spec) and
to backward reference note 1 in section 5.2 for further discussion, per Mike
Sweet

Editorial =96 Revised titles and table headers in sections 5.2, 5.3, and 5.=
4 to
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operations (specified in notes)

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per IPP WG review

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Hi,

NOTE - The IETF has just approved the TLS/DTLS binding of SNMP
as a Proposed Standard.

This will *rapidly* become the dominant method of SNMP support in
infrastructure and end devices (like MFDs) in enterprise networks,
because it leverages the current ubiquitous support for TLS.

This will displace traditional SNMPv3 (hard to deploy and configure).

Cheers,
- Ira

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Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Subject: [Isms] Protocol Action: 'Transport Layer Security (TLS)
Transport Model for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)' to
Proposed Standard
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The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Transport Model for the Simple Network
=A0 Management Protocol (SNMP) '
=A0 <draft-ietf-isms-dtls-tm-14.txt> as a Proposed Standard


This document is the product of the Integrated Security Model for SNMP
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Sean Turner and Tim Polk.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isms-dtls-tm-14.txt

Technical Summary

=A0 This document describes a Transport Model for the Simple
=A0 Network Management Protocol (SNMP), that uses either the
=A0 Transport Layer Security protocol or the Datagram Transport
=A0 Layer Security (DTLS) protocol. The TLS and DTLS protocols
=A0 provide authentication and privacy services for SNMP
=A0 applications. This document describes how the TLS Transport
=A0 Model (TLSTM) implements the needed features of a SNMP
=A0 Transport Subsystem to make this protection possible in an
=A0 interoperable way.

Working Group Summary

=A0 This ID is the product of the ISMS WG. =A0The WG went over
=A0 several revisions of this document and the document and
=A0 all WG last call comments have been resolved. There has
=A0 been strong WG consensus to publish this document as
=A0 Proposed Standard.

Document Quality

=A0 There are two known implementations in progress of the
=A0 (D)TLS Transport Model.

Personnel

=A0 Juergen Schoenwaelder (j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de) is
=A0 the document shepherd.
=A0 Sean Turner is the Responsible Area Director.

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Hi,

In the absence of any objections, the schedule below is now final
for the June PWG F2F.

Mike - please post on PWG meetings web page - breaks were
not included yet.

Cheers,
- Ira

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> Hi,
>
> Per Jerry Thrasher's suggestion during our MFD WG call today,
> in order to accommodate travel arrangements, below is a draft
> schedule for June PWG F2F
>
> ACTION: =A0All PWG SC members will send comments by 12 May
> (in order to finalize schedule no later than Thursday 13 May).
>
>
> Hosted by Xerox in Rochester, NY (US Eastern Daylight Time)
>
> Wednesday 9 June
> - 9am to 12pm =A0- MFD WG
> - 12pm to 1pm =A0- Lunch
> - 1pm to 5pm =A0 - MFD WG
>
> Thursday 10 June
> - 9am to 11am =A0- WIMS WG
> - 11am to 12pm - PWG Plenary
> - 12pm to 1pm =A0- Lunch
> - 1pm to 2pm =A0 - Cloud Printing
> - 2pm to 3pm =A0 - IPP Everywhere BOF
> - 3pm to 5pm =A0 - IPP WG
>
> Friday 11 June
> - 9am to 12pm =A0- IDS WG
> - 12pm to 1pm =A0- Lunch
> - 1pm to 3pm =A0 - IDS WG
>
> Comments, please?
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176
> =A0734-944-0094
> summer:
> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839
> =A0906-494-2434
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Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 17 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objectives - finish up IPP JPS2, continue IPP/2.0 SE ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 10 May teleconference
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100510.pdf

(3) Review of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509-rev.pdf
 <or later draft, if available>

(4) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf

(5) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
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I've uploaded v27 of JPS2 for Monday's IPP concall:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v27-20100516-rev.doc
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v27-20100516-rev.pdf

Error Log:
18.1	16 May 2010 (v27)
1.	Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)) and
7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime): Only Set-Job-Attributes can get
a job out of a indefinitely delay-output condition; Resume-Job and
Release-Job cannot be used for this.
2.	Section 7.6 job-hold-until-time  (dateTime):  Tightened up the error
response to the bad request with both "job-hold-until" and
"job-hold-until-time" specified in a job creation operation, so that the
Printer MUST reject the operation and return
'client-error-conflicting-attributes' status code.
3.	Figure 4 - Time Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4
normal Jobs: Made arrows more horizontal.
4.	Added Section 8 Additional semantics for existing operations with
subsections: 8.1 Additional attribute for use with the Hold-Job operation
and 8.2 Additional attributes for use with the Set-Job-Attributes operation

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 13:52
To: ipp@pwg.org; Tom Hastings; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Ira McDonald
Subject: IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 17 May 2010

Hi,

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 17 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objectives - finish up IPP JPS2, continue IPP/2.0 SE ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 10 May teleconference
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100510.pdf

(3) Review of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)
 -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v26-20100509-rev.pdf
 <or later draft, if available>

(4) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf

(5) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(6) Next Steps
 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 24 May - 4-5pm US EDT
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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Here is the LiveMeeting information for this week's IPP teleconference

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I would like to encourage PWG members to consider and cast their votes on
advancing this document to Candidate Standard. It basically is just the
standardization of how to present the "Command Set" element in the IEEE1284
Device ID set (which is used in many places beyond the IEEE1284 interface).
There is much benefit to be gained by this standardization in facilitating
communication between clients and printers, and relatively little effort
required to be compliant to the spec. Much "bang for the buck" so to speak.
But regardless of how you vote, please do cast your vote as Paul has
indicated below.

Many thanks,

Bill Wagner, Chair, Workgroup for Imaging Management Solutions/PWG 

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Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 6:18 AM
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Subject: [Pwg-Announce] PWG Command Set Formal Vote (7-31 May 2010)

Greetings:

This email initiates the Formal Approval vote by the PWG membership on the
PWG Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID, which is located at:

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmp1284cmdset10-20100427.pdf

The complete list of PWG Last Call issues and resolutions is located at:

 
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/pmp1284cmdset-last-call-comment-resolution-
20100415.txt

The voting period will open today on Friday 7 May 2010 and will close at
10pm (US Pacific Time) on Monday 31 May 2010.

Valid votes are:  Yes, No, No (with Strong Objection), Abstain.

Representatives from PWG member companies are strongly encouraged to
exercise their right to vote.

To vote, send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:

Command Set Formal Vote-<company name>-<voter's last name>-<Yes/No/Abstain>

Example:  Command Set Formal Vote-Acme-McGee-Yes

Any "No" vote MUST state the reason for the "No" vote and MUST contain a
description of the changes required to turn the "No" vote into a "Yes" vote
- otherwise such a "No" vote will NOT be counted.

Please send your vote to all of the following email addresses (replacing
"dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'):

msweet"at"apple"dot"com (PWG Chair)
ptykodi"at"tykodi"dot"com (PWG Secretary) wamwagner"at"comcast"dot"net
(WIMS/PMP WG Chair) blueroofmusic"at"gmail"dot"com (PWG Command Set Editor)

Please do NOT simply reply to this note on PWG-Announce.

Note:

(1) This Formal Vote is being conducted under the rules of the PWG
Process/3.0 and the current PWG Policy on Intellectual Property and
Confidentiality agreement.  The 2010 PWG Membership Agreement calls out both
of these documents and the links are provided below.

(2) To be eligible to vote the member MUST have submitted a signed copy of
the 2010 PWG Membership Agreement and paid their dues.

The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is
located at:

  http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

The PWG Policy on Intellectual Property and Confidentiality is located at:

  http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-ip-policy.pdf

Regards,

Paul Tykodi (PWG Secretary)

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Paul Tykodi
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3 Lowell Ave.
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All,

I've posted today's IPP telecon minutes at:

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Please let me know if you see any errors or have comments.

________________________________________________________________________
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>We currently have 13 responses to the attendance
survey.&nbsp; I am in the final stages of planning and need to get a final
total.&nbsp; If you have not yet done so, please complete the meeting atten=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Pete<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color=
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Hi,

[with my apologies for the late notice - too many telecons last week...]

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 24 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - finish review of IPP/2.0 SE ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 17 May teleconference
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100517.pdf

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Agenda for IPP sessions at upcoming PWG F2F
 - IPP Everywhere, IPP JPS2, IPP/2.0 SE

(6) Next Steps
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
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I've uploaded slides for IPP and IPP Everywhere at the next face-to-face:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-june-10draft1.pdf
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-everywhere-bof-june-10.pdf
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-everywhere-slides-20100524.pdf

On May 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> [with my apologies for the late notice - too many telecons last week...]
> 
> [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up]
> 
> Reminder of our next IPP WG call:
> 
> Monday 24 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT
> 
> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
> 
> Attendee Access Code: *******#
> Attendee ID Code: # (empty)
> 
> If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.
> 
> 
> *** Main Objective - finish review of IPP/2.0 SE ***
> 
> Agenda:
> 
> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
> - Mike?
> 
> (2) Approve IPP minutes from 17 May teleconference
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100517.pdf
> 
> (3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf
> 
> (4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf
> 
> (5) Agenda for IPP sessions at upcoming PWG F2F
> - IPP Everywhere, IPP JPS2, IPP/2.0 SE
> 
> (6) Next Steps
> - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
> - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
> - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira (IPP co-editor)
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434

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Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 Monday 24 May - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

 Attendee Access Code: *******#
 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.


*** Main Objective - finish review of IPP/2.0 SE ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from 17 May teleconference
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100517.pdf

(3) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100512-rev.pdf

(4) Status of PWG Last Call on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

(5) Agenda for IPP sessions at upcoming PWG F2F
 - IPP Everywhere, IPP JPS2, IPP/2.0 SE

(6) Next Steps
 - IPP Everywhere Last Call - ends Friday 28 May
 - PWG F2F IPP Everywhere - Thursday 10 June - 2-3pm US EDT
 - PWG F2F IPP WG - Thursday 10 June - 3-5pm US EDT

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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Hi,

We didn't have time to review these IPP slides today - please send comments.

Cheers,
- Ira

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> I've uploaded slides for IPP and IPP Everywhere at the next face-to-face:
>
> =A0 =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-june-10draft1.p=
df
> =A0 =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-everywhere-bof-june-10.pdf
> =A0 =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-everywhere-slides-2010052=
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All,

This is a reminder that the Last Call process for the "IPP Everywhere" char=
ter will close on Friday, May 28th.

PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK to the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org) and/or repl=
y to this message to indicate that you have reviewed the charter, whether y=
ou have any objections to it, and include any comments you have.  For examp=
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    <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has no comme=
nts.

    <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has the foll=
owing comments:
    ... list of comments ...

    <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has the foll=
owing objections:
    ... list of objections/comments ...

It is very important that at least 30% of the membership indicate that they=
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rmal vote.

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to Face in Rochester, NY.

For convenience I am including links to the charter and slides posted previ=
ously.

Thanks,

Mike


IPP Everywhere Charter:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf

IPP Everywhere Slides:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf

________________________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair





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p;&lt;company name&gt; has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has no c=
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gt; has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has the following comments:=
</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;... list of comments ...</div><div><div><br><=
/div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;company name&gt; has reviewed the IPP Ever=
ywhere charter and has the following objections:</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nb=
sp;... list of objections/comments ...</div><div><br></div></div></div><div=
>It is very important that at least 30% of the membership indicate that the=
y have reviewed the charter, otherwise we cannot put the charter up for a f=
ormal vote.</div><div><br></div><div>We will review and resolve all objecti=
ons and comments during the PWG Face to Face in Rochester, NY.</div><div><b=
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iv>Mike</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>IPP Everywhere Charter:</di=
v><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/p=
wg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/=
ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>I=
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Logic Group of Companies has reviewed the IPP Everywhere and has no comment.
Best regards.

Michael Sweet wrote:

> All,
>
> This is a reminder that the Last Call process for the "IPP Everywhere" 
> charter will close on Friday, May 28th.
>
> PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK to the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org 
> <mailto:ipp@pwg.org>) and/or reply to this message to indicate that 
> you have reviewed the charter, whether you have any objections to it, 
> and include any comments you have.  For example:
>
>     <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has no 
> comments.
>
>     <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has the 
> following comments:
>     ... list of comments ...
>
>     <company name> has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has the 
> following objections:
>     ... list of objections/comments ...
>
> It is very important that at least 30% of the membership indicate that 
> they have reviewed the charter, otherwise we cannot put the charter up 
> for a formal vote.
>
> We will review and resolve all objections and comments during the PWG 
> Face to Face in Rochester, NY.
>
> For convenience I am including links to the charter and slides posted 
> previously.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> IPP Everywhere Charter:
>
>     ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf
>
> IPP Everywhere Slides:
>
>     ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf
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> ________________________________________________________________________
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Everywhere" charter will close on Friday, May 28th.</div>
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  <div>PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK to the IPP reflector (<a
 href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>) and/or reply to this
message to indicate that you have reviewed the charter, whether you
have any objections to it, and include any comments you have. &nbsp;For
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  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;company name&gt; has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter
and has the following comments:</div>
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and has the following objections:</div>
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  <div>It is very important that at least 30% of the membership
indicate that they have reviewed the charter, otherwise we cannot put
the charter up for a formal vote.</div>
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  <div>We will review and resolve all objections and comments during
the PWG Face to Face in Rochester, NY.</div>
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  <div>For convenience I am including links to the charter and slides
posted previously.</div>
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  <div>Thanks,</div>
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  <div>Mike</div>
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  <div>IPP Everywhere Charter:</div>
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  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<a
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  <div>IPP Everywhere Slides:</div>
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  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<a
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All,

Sorry for the delay. I really did have this all done on Monday, but then go=
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Here are Monday's minutes from the IPP concall:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100524.pdf

Please let me know if I spelled any names wrong or missed anything crucial.=
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Apple has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has no comments.

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Hi,

Objection as follows: I do not feel that the Problem Statement as currently
written adequately describes why there needs to be an IPP Everywhere
project.

In terms of the computer operating system environments mentioned in the
problem statement, they are architecturally constructed to require a printer
driver as a necessary adaptation mechanism to work with a particular imaging
device.

The OS vendors referenced have done a good job of making the relevant design
information available to entities that need it so a large number of drivers
have been created over the years and the ongoing management of them
continues to become more difficult.

This could easily lead the casual reader to conclude that the primary
purpose for proposing IPP Everywhere is to help foster an organized
conversion process in these environments to a new way of installing imaging
devices, which does not depend so heavily on individual device drivers.

While this might be a side benefit of IPP Everywhere implementations
sometime in the future, it is my opinion that the immediate concern being
addressed by IPP Everywhere is to provide a framework for supporting the use
of mobile devices to request print operations. This can be within a Cloud
Print framework or in a public or private non-Cloud network as well.

The adaptation mechanism required to allow for printing requests to come
from mobile devices is very different than the computer operating systems
mentioned in the current problem statement and the driver adaptation pathway
is typically not appropriate for this class of hardware resource constrained
devices.

I believe we need to state why in our opinion drivers are an inappropriate
solution for mobile devices as part of the Problem Statement. This should
help make the reason for requesting permission to start a new IPP project
more concrete so that readers will understand the specific issues we plan to
address with the proposed documents outlined in the charter.

I look forward to receiving feedback on the IPP Everywhere charter both here
on the IPP-List and at the upcoming F2F. 

I believe that this particular proposed IPP project has the potential to
provide significant benefit to the printing experience from a whole new
class of devices. I urge everyone with an interest in mobile printing, cloud
printing, and printing while on the road to give their comments and feedback
regarding use cases and wishes.

Thanks for your ongoing interest and support of the PWG IPP workgroup.

Best Regards,

/Paul

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Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP Everywhere charter and has no comments.
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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Subject: [IPP] Prototype Draft of IPP/2.0 Second Edition (27 May 2010)
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Hi,

[Based on IPP WG complete review on 10 May and 24 May
- for review during upcoming PWG face-to-face meeting]

I've just posted a Prototype draft of IPP/2.0 Second Edition at:

 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100527.pdf / doc
 - clean copy with line numbers

 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100527-rev.pdf / doc
 - redlines from 12 May draft

Prototype reports for IPP/2.2 new content already exist, so this spec
is ready for final review, working group last call, and PWG Last Call.

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira
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Changes made to create 27 May 2010 version (Prototype Draft)

Editorial =96 Changed status to Prototype Draft

Technical =96 Revised section 4.1 IPP/2.0 to make [RFC3998] for
Reprocess-Job and [PWG5100.11] for Resubmit-Job a MAY,
consistent with note 2 and Table 2 in section 5.2, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 4.1 to make TLS/1.1 [RFC4346] a
SHOULD, consistent with Table 9 in section 10 (same as First
Edition), per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 4.2 to make TLS/1.2 [RFC5246] a
SHOULD, consistent with Table 9 in section 10 (same as First
Edition), per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 4.3 to make TLS/1.2 [RFC5246] a
MUST, consistent with Table 9 in section 10, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 5.2 IPP/2.0 to make Reprocess-Job,
Cancel-Jobs, Cancel-My-Jobs, and Resubmit-Job OPTIONAL in
Table 2, consistent with note 2 and 3, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 5.3 IPP/2.1 to make Reprocess-Job,
Cancel-Jobs, Cancel-My-Jobs, and Resubmit-Job RECOMMENDED
in Table 3, consistent with note 2 and 3, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 5.4 IPP/2.2 to make Reprocess-Job,
Cancel-Jobs, Cancel-My-Jobs, and Resubmit-Job REQUIRED in
Table 4, consistent with note 2 and 3, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 6.2 IPP/2.0 Attributes to make
=93printer-alert=94, =93printer-alert-description=94, and =93printer-device=
-id=94
RECOMMENDED in Table 6, consistent with note 4 and 5, per
IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 6.3 IPP/2.1 Attributes to make =93job-ids=94,
=93job-ids-supported=94, =93proof-print=94, =93which-jobs-supported=94,
=93printer-device-id=94, =93overrides=94, =93overrides-actual=94, and
=93overrides-supported=94 RECOMMENDED in Table 7, consistent with
note 3, 4, and 6, per IPP WG review

Technical =96 Revised section 6.4 IPP/2.2 Attributes to make =93job-ids=94,
=93job-ids-supported=94, =93proof-print=94, =93which-jobs-supported=94,
=93printer-device-id=94, =93overrides=94, =93overrides-actual=94, and
=93overrides-supported=94 REQUIRED in Table 8, consistent with new
note 1, 2, 3, and 4, per IPP review

Technical =96 Revised sections 7.1 and 7.2 (conformance) to reflect
specific TLS requirements, consistent with Table 9 in section 10,
per IPP WG review

Editorial =96 Revised section 7.5 to fix indentation of items (c) and (d),
per IPP WG review

Editorial =96 Revised section 12 to correct Gail Giansiracusa=92s company,
per Gail Giansiracusa

Editorial =96 Revised section 12 to correct Mike Sweet=92s physical address,
per Mike Sweet

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