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Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:51:55 -0500 Message-id: To: PWG Workgroup X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-12-05_07:, , signatures=0 Subject: [IPP] ippsample code now hooked into Windows CI (AppVeyor) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I've merged PR #131 which enables Windows builds of the ippsample code through AppVeyor, a (free) continuous integration (CI) solution for Github. You can see the current status at: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/michaelrsweet/ippsample _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Dec 5 16:40:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4CD130F6A for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 16:40:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:40:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ira McDonald Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 19:40:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (6 December 2018) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3652840554817432260==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3652840554817432260== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e9c5c6057c4fbd1c" --000000000000e9c5c6057c4fbd1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 6 December 2018 at 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP WG Every 2 weeks on Thursday 3:00-4:30 pm US Eastern (GMT-05:00) ------------------------------------------------------- WebEx online meeting (join WebEx first, before audio bridge) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm8952a7e2500bbe43a428c15= 193736ec0 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join audio second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239= > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike as minute taker? -- Status of all IPP documents in progress up-to-date below -- Discussion or review topics for today? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20181108.pdf -- IPP WG call on 11/08/18 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20181114.pdf -- IPP WG sessions at PWG F2F on 11/14/18 and 11/15/18 (3) Status/Review of various IPP mailing list notes - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2018/019823.html - https://ci.appveyor.com/project/michaelrsweet/ippsample -- ippsample code now hooked into Windows CI (AppVeyor) (Mike) -- Enables Windows builds of the ippsample code through AppVeyor, a (free) continuous integration (CI) solution for Github (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20181105.htm - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-november-18.pdf -- see PWG SC minutes from 5 November 2018 -- see IPP WG slides from PWG F2F 14-15 November 2018 (5) Status of Safe G-Code (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-pwgsafegcode10-20180704-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018 -- Schedule - IPP WG Last Call Q1 2019 (6) Status of IPP 3D Printing Extensions v1.1 (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp3d11-20180704-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018 -- Schedule - IPP WG Last Call Q1 2019 (7) Status of How to Print Using the IPP (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippguide-20181109.html - https://github.com/istopwg/pwg-books -- Stable draft - PWG F2F call for final comments in November 2018 -- Schedule - Publication in Q4 2018 (8) Status of IPP Encrypted Jobs and Documents (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrustnoone10-20180328-rev.pdf -- Interim draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018 -- good news - PGP-based path forward! -- Schedule - Prototype draft Q2 2019 (9) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20180701-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Prototyping tasks being tracked as a Github project in "ippserver" -- Schedule - Stable draft in Q1 2019 (10) Status of IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification 1.0 Update 3 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20181114.pdf - https://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html -- Released on 9 November 2018 -- The Windows installer no longer depends on Visual Studio DLLs. -- The tools have been updated to incorporate the bug fixes from CUPS 2.2.5 through CUPS 2.2.9. -- The document tests now support the new PWG Raster sample files. -- The test scripts now use an exact match for the printer=E2=80=98s DNS-SD= name. (11) Status of IPP Everywhere 1.1 (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeve11-20180926-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Schedule - PWG Last Call Q1 2019 (12) Status of IPP Everywhere 1.1 Self-Certification Manual 1.1 (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert11-20180704-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Schedule - PWG Last Call Q1 2019 (13) Status of IPP Document Object v1.1 (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippdocobject11-20181022.pdf -- Interim draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Prototyping tasks being tracked as a Github project in "ippserver" -- Schedule - Stable draft in Q1 2019 (14) Status of IPP Job Extensions v1.1 (Mike) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobext11-20181023-rev.pdf -- Interim draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018 -- Schedule - Prototype draft Q1 2019 (15) Status of IPP Authentication Methods (Smith) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181109-rev.pdf -- Interim draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- IPP WG consensus to publish as PWG Best Practice -- Schedule - TBD (16) Status of Job and Printer Extensions v2 (Smith) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext2v20-20180904.docx - https://ftp.pwg.org//pub/pwg/ipp/slides/IPP-Job-Storage-v2-20181116.pdf -- Initial draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Schedule - Prototype draft Q2 2019 (17) Status of PWG Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts 1.1 (Ira) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-pmpmfdalerts10-20180813-rev.pdf -- Interim draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018 -- Schedule - Prototype draft Q2 2019 (18) Open Printing website update (Ira) -- OP monthly call (11/13/18) - next (12/12/18) -- OP renovation calls weekly on Wednesdays -- Using Jekyll (instead of WordPress) -- New OP home page prototypes - other pages in progress (19) Next steps - IPP WG call on Thu 20 December 2018 -- CANCELED due to holidays - IPP WG call on Thu 3 January 2019 -- CANCELED due to holidays - IPP WG call on Thu 17 January 2019 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --000000000000e9c5c6057c4fbd1c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi,

Our next IP= P WG call will be Thursday 6 December 2018 at
12= :00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern

NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bri= dge below

---------------------------------------= ----------------
Meeting information
--------------------------------= -----------------------
Topic: IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday 3:00-4:30 pm US Eastern (GMT-05:00)

------------= -------------------------------------------
WebEx online meeting (join WebEx first, before audio br= idge)
-------------------------------------------------------
= 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.co= m/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm8952a7e2500bbe43a428c15193736ec0
2. If req= uested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required,= enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".
<= br>-------------------------------------------------------
Audio = Bridge (join audio second w= / unique access code from WebEx)
--------------------------------= -----------------------
Call-in toll-free= number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call= -in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Cal= l-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570

Global toll-free c= all in numbers and other audio options ("Call<= /span> Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting.
Unique attendee access code:=C2=A0 Displayed in the WebEx meeting

Agenda<= /span>:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Re= view
- Mike as minute taker?
-- Status of all IPP d= ocuments in progress up-to-date below
-- Discussion or review top= ics for today?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- <= a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2018= 1108.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-co= ncall-minutes-20181108.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 11/08/18
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f= -minutes-20181114.pdf
-- IPP<= /span> WG sessions at PWG F2= F on 11/14/18 and 11/15/18
(3) Status/Review of various IPP mailing list note= s
-- ippsample code now hooked into Windows CI (AppVeyor) (Mike)
-- Enables Windows builds of the ippsample code through AppVeyor, a = (free)
=C2=A0=C2=A0 continuous integration (CI) solution for Gith= ub

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG = (Paul)
- https:= //ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-november-18.pdf
-- see PWG SC minutes from 5 November 2018
-- see IPP WG sl= ides from PWG F2F 14-15 November 2018

-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F discus= sion in November 2018
-- Schedule - IPP WG Last Call Q1 2019
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(6) Status of IPP 3D Printing Extensions v1.1 (Mike)
-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018
-- Schedul= e - IPP WG Last Call Q1 2019

(7) Status of= =20 How to Print Using the IPP (Mike)
-- Stable draft - PWG F2F call for final comments in Nov= ember 2018
-- Schedule - Publication in Q4 2018

= (8) Status of IPP Encrypted Jobs and Documents (Mike)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrustnoo= ne10-20180328-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 2018
-- = good news - PGP-based path forward!
-- Schedule -= Prototype draft Q2 2019

-- Prototy= pe draft=20 - PWG F2F = review in November 2018
-- Prototyping tasks being tracked as a G= ithub project in "ippserver"
-- Schedule - Stable draft in Q1 = 2019

(10) Status of IPP Everywhere Printer Self-= Certification 1.0 Update 3
- http://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20181114.pdf
-- Released on 9 November 201= 8
-- The Windows installer no longer depends on Visual Studio DLLs= .
-- The tools have been updated to incorporate the bug fixes from CUPS = 2.2.5
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 through CUPS 2.2.9.
-- Th= e document tests now support the new PWG Raster sample files.
-- The tes= t scripts now use an exact match for the printer=E2=80=98s DNS-SD name.
(11) Status of IPP Everywhere 1.1 (Mike)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeve11-20180926-rev.pdf
= --=20 Prototype draft=C2=A0 - PWG F2F review in November 2018
-- Schedule - PWG Last Call Q1 2019
(12) Status of IPP Everywhere 1.1 Self-Certification Manual = 1.1 (Mike)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveself= cert11-20180704-rev.pdf
--=20 Prototype draft=C2=A0 - PWG F2F review in November 2018
-- Schedule - PWG Last Call Q1 2019

(13) Status of IPP Document Object v1.1 (Mike)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippdocobject= 11-20181022.pdf
-- Interim draft - PWG F2F review in November = 2018
-- Prototyping tasks being tracked as a Github project in "ippserver&q= uot;
-- Schedule - Stable draft in Q1 2019

(14) Status of IPP Job Extensions v1.1 (Mike)
-- Interim draft - PWG F2F discussion in November 201= 8
-- Schedule - Prototype draft Q1 2019

(15) Status of IPP Au= thentication Methods (Smith)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub= /pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181109-rev.pdf
-= -=20 Interim draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018
-- IPP WG consensus to p= ublish as PWG Best Practice
-- Schedule - TBD

(16) Status of Job and Printer Extensions v2 (Smith)
<= div>-- Initial draft - PWG F2F review in November 2018
-- Schedule - Pro= totype draft Q2 2019

(17) Status of PWG Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts= 1.1 (Ira)
-- Interim draft= - PWG F2F review in November 2018
-- Schedule - Prototype draft Q2 2019=

(18) Open Printing website update (Ira)
=
-- OP monthly call (11/13/18) - next (12/12/18)
-- OP re= novation calls weekly on Wednesdays
-- Using Jekyll (instead = of WordPress)
-- New OP home page prototypes - other pages in= progress

(19) Next steps

- IPP WG = call on Thu 20 December 2018
-- CANCELED due to holidays

- IPP WG = call on Thu 3 January 2019
-- CANCELED due to holidays

- IPP WG = call on Thu 17 January 2019 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Archite= ct)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Founda= tion Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-= Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expe= rt - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
ma= ilto: blueroof= music@gmail.com
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-49= 4-2434

<= /div>
--000000000000e9c5c6057c4fbd1c-- --===============3652840554817432260== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============3652840554817432260==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Dec 6 08:36:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AB0130E74 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REOG1NVToRcT for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [50.116.7.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C139130E70 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 65D7CBEFB; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF0226EF; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:36:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 988A126EF; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:36:38 +0000 (UTC) To: ipp@pwg.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:db-issue.php From: smith.kennedy@hp.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [IPP] [PWG5101.1] Issue #76: Section 6: "media-coating" attribute is not registered in IANA IPP Registry X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: webmaster@pwg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" [Issue Unconfirmed] Section 6 discusses the "media-coating" attribute. But this attribute is not registered in the IANA IPP Registry. However, "media-front-coating" and "media-back-coating" are both defined for "media-col". Either "media-coating" is a typo or it needs to be registered. Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/76 _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Dec 6 08:46:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1212D7EA for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NoF051Omb_-s for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC95130E11 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 3ECB5BBC2; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BE25D28; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:46:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 42CA726EF; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:46:38 +0000 (UTC) To: ipp@pwg.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:db-issue.php From: msweet@apple.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20181206164638.42CA726EF@www.pwg.org> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [IPP] [PWG5101.1] Issue #76: Section 6: "media-coating" attribute is not registered in IANA IPP Registry X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: webmaster@pwg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" [Issue Unconfirmed] I think this is a typo. The intent is to have this apply to media-front-coating and media-back-coating (all of the media-xxx-coating attributes). Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/76 _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Dec 6 12:48:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B12131196 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:48:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DH9PXrN0CFX for ; 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dmarc=quarantine header.from=apple.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-12-06_07:,, signatures=0 Received: from [17.235.26.148] by nwk-mmpp-sz11.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.3.20181024 64bit (built Oct 24 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PJC00LC71SLST90@nwk-mmpp-sz11.apple.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:48:21 -0500 Message-id: <602CA294-E146-45FB-BB11-A88C34635FE3@apple.com> To: PWG Workgroup X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-12-06_07:, , signatures=0 Subject: [IPP] Minutes posted from today's IPP WG concall X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I have posted the minutes from today's IPP workgroup conference call to: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20181206.pdf Our next conference call is on January 17, 2019 at 3pm ET. Have a great holiday break! _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Dec 6 12:52:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4A0130EDA for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 15:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] Future of PWG discussion at Steering Committee on 12/03/18 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4196438436063162972==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4196438436063162972== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000661c75057c60ab67" --000000000000661c75057c60ab67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, FYI - for anyone interested in evolution of PWG activties and processes: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20181203.htm Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --000000000000661c75057c60ab67 Content-Type: text/html; 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Hi,

FYI - f= or anyone interested in evolution of PWG activties and processes:


Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musi= cian / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<= br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Print= er Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<= br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blu= eroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/= highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais,= MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

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boundary="Boundary_(ID_nVN/EWMW2PMP1Avqao8ixw)" --Boundary_(ID_nVN/EWMW2PMP1Avqao8ixw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, As requested in today's concall, here is a description of the CUPS "job-cancel-after (integer(1:MAX))" Job Template attribute (added in CUPS 2.0): job-cancel-after (integer(1:MAX)) The "job-cancel-after" attribute provides the maximum number of seconds that are allowed for processing a Job. The Printer MUST cancel it automatically if the Job cannot be processed within the specified timeframe. The corresponding Printer Description attributes are "job-cancel-after-supported (rangeOfInteger)" and "job-cancel-after-default (integer(1:MAX) | no-value)". The proposal is to add this attribute to the JPS2 v2.0 specification as a corollary of "job-retain-until". Thoughts? _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_nVN/EWMW2PMP1Avqao8ixw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

As = requested in today's concall, here is a description of the CUPS = "job-cancel-after (integer(1:MAX))" Job Template attribute (added in = CUPS 2.0):

job-cancel-after (integer(1:MAX))

The "job-cancel-after" attribute = provides the maximum number of seconds that are allowed for processing a = Job.  The Printer MUST cancel it automatically if the Job cannot be = processed within the specified timeframe. 

The corresponding = Printer Description attributes are "job-cancel-after-supported = (rangeOfInteger)" and "job-cancel-after-default (integer(1:MAX) | = no-value)".

The = proposal is to add this attribute to the JPS2 v2.0 specification as a = corollary of "job-retain-until".

Thoughts?

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: pipitas@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4722293305225191591==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4722293305225191591== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009adad4057cb2568a" --0000000000009adad4057cb2568a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium? Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? --0000000000009adad4057cb2568a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is the canonical IPP-ish way to= request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a = different paper tray)?

I remember many years ago t= o have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who re= quired red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a fe= w dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner = files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/shar= e/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed= from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.

I= s there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be pr= inted on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS d= oesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript = files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even= with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2461621582097429479==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2461621582097429479== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lx9hWyzCdZNJlIkRSf9IKA)" --Boundary_(ID_lx9hWyzCdZNJlIkRSf9IKA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job. There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS. > On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas wrote: > > What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? > > I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. > > Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium? > > Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_lx9hWyzCdZNJlIkRSf9IKA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable There= isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it = will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of = the job.

There is a = job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing = Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> = wrote:

What = is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on = different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?

I remember many years = ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional = customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their = students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the = PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them = to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was = requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order = job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default = use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is = another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with = application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: pipitas@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2045847438354923474==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2045847438354923474== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000057d61d057cb314af" --00000000000057d61d057cb314af Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for the fast reply, Mike. So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers" I can hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray? Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future? >From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and the like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature quite often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the "PostScript-hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near future... but should it happen, this would be killing a lot of usefulness in running CUPS print servers for them... --00000000000057d61d057cb314af Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the fast=C2=A0reply, Mike.

S= o typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers" I = can hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray?
Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future?

From my observations, in institutions large schools, = universities and the like as well as in other big organizations they do use= this feature quite=C2=A0often. I'm under the impression that support/t= olerance for the "PostScript-hack" banner pages will not go away = in the very near future... but should it happen, this would be killing a lo= t of usefulness in running CUPS print servers for them...


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dmarc=quarantine header.from=apple.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-12-11_01:,, signatures=0 Received: from [17.235.17.109] (unknown [17.235.17.109]) by nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.3.20181024 64bit (built Oct 24 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PJJ002H0ZHF8D50@nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com>; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:39:14 -0500 Message-id: <9264DEBB-94E3-4788-8A2C-8D2BA217A908@apple.com> References: <94DC0CC5-4AE1-4E2E-8619-8996F6506096@apple.com> To: pipitas@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-12-11_01:, , signatures=0 Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Best thing is to file an issue requesting support for job-sheets-col on the CUPS Github repository: https://github.com/apple/cups/issues I can't make any promises... > On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, pipitas wrote: > > Thanks for the fast reply, Mike. > > So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers" I can hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray? > > Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future? > > From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and the like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature quite often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the "PostScript-hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near future... but should it happen, this would be killing a lot of usefulness in running CUPS print servers for them... > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Dec 11 03:00:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A9D130DD6 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:00:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (body has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oEJ21r-o5b3B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [50.116.7.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14AE130DD4 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7F5BDBEED; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FDCBBC1; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:00:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7456DBBC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ua1-x92d.google.com (mail-ua1-x92d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92d]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E889C26DC for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua1-x92d.google.com with SMTP id t8so4983458uap.0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:00:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=RhT/qvhQe4EsASafZ3Nfyj8YiF/XG0iBeAD24WP637s=; b=pAlMS/BMEuT66aKH2dJG5XVUqUXAy0zpJe1hFgQl4uPPRiku8tXBnz3iIpSNjKNwOl K851ASUYwaew+mAJwRRqeyA7oJMdQDCKc2VVMWqiQegV7IDXKaGEiPj5zE/oVhHYWNNE z1QGc6DqTc08Y1G7DplO6LWT/vz4S0CTPo8vkSmvX6HCzS0Je9Yz2XDWIeiXFJJTJ9IU BD663At5d3xcIXT2X7jJcBSbfpuMIEUcBHb7WrqjT5foQis8pFOAloG3J6zdkSEC6gqT jlqZSEO+w6HEKlbGfFfJsr9cQ71Wwf5ZGA/JTkamx9StKsXKuoTZ6/F0wgOSYqR09hx2 UK7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RhT/qvhQe4EsASafZ3Nfyj8YiF/XG0iBeAD24WP637s=; b=AD1s/yHkvOrmsFiCAPD5YZuatLrfcOEKWRU4MS3lxikfgYWanJH4zkA16XSGmtf+gI VwTF7z1tSkECMqUvpLpNFgFDiWY2taMPAOHYoieynPyiuS5RtD+/GTQgRY94iTJDMKDD gjZKFrHDQ99edKrZS+IfQLN/r+c7OcFec41dVI+Unte2TUUhvrIXQ1mYnW02AZpnbMmY 338Dnd3aBKoGLZq1pzYGMXZ1fhv8what/GopZZfrdUyBqqyvqPvSa1pOL5M9Sln0ZhP1 cV5E/OA4OLVonCRYvtvkx4vah2+b1bKSJDstMhuQ0cyQwXtXYvSMizrGAcTv4gTDnVCD yxZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbPHCXkuYMhfLSXRBuT1njpcJbMsBdVTAg8XZBQ+479g3pKDS4V 5dDdhf0ztAL/vzOY9LbPFGgmpUUURdVO0C5oRRs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XtMTKXx+ND85USouqJpVD1dDuu2yDrMBt7/bZTkZsQ/a6D1Hn+6dbshpGQxaC2ELhlycdt18cG7F9GOtc/85o= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2622:: with SMTP id 31mr7124156uag.90.1544526023112; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:00:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94DC0CC5-4AE1-4E2E-8619-8996F6506096@apple.com> <9264DEBB-94E3-4788-8A2C-8D2BA217A908@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <9264DEBB-94E3-4788-8A2C-8D2BA217A908@apple.com> From: pipitas Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:00:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: pipitas@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8128336315019818137==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8128336315019818137== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f43da4057cbcfcc3" --000000000000f43da4057cbcfcc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Issue filed: https://github.com/apple/cups/issues/5459 Thanks! On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:39 AM Michael Sweet wrote: > Best thing is to file an issue requesting support for job-sheets-col on > the CUPS Github repository: > > https://github.com/apple/cups/issues > > I can't make any promises... > > > > On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, pipitas wrote: > > > > Thanks for the fast reply, Mike. > > > > So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers" I can > hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray? > > > > Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future? > > > > From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and > the like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature > quite often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the > "PostScript-hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near future... > but should it happen, this would be killing a lot of usefulness in running > CUPS print servers for them... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > --000000000000f43da4057cbcfcc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Best thing is to = file an issue requesting support for job-sheets-col on the CUPS Github repo= sitory:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://github.com/apple/cups/issues=

I can't make any promises...


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the fast reply, Mike.
>
> So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers&qu= ot; I can hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray?
>
> Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future?
>
> From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and = the like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature qui= te often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the "= ;PostScript-hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near futur= e... but should it happen, this would be killing a lot of usefulness in run= ning CUPS print servers for them...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ipp mailing list
> ipp@pwg.org
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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I was thinking about doing the same. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9. -------- Original message -------- From: pipitas Date: 12/11/18 6:01 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Michael Sweet Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper= /tray/medium?[EXTERNAL] Issue filed: https://github.com/apple/cups/issues/5459 Thanks! On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:39 AM Michael Sweet > wrote: Best thing is to file an issue requesting support for job-sheets-col on the= CUPS Github repository: https://github.com/apple/cups/issues I can't make any promises... > On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, pipitas > wrote: > > Thanks for the fast reply, Mike. > > So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers" I can hop= e to request job-sheets to come from a different tray? > > Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future? > > From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and the= like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature quite = often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the "PostScript-= hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near future... but should i= t happen, this would be killing a lot of usefulness in running CUPS print s= ervers for them... > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --_000_BN7PR17MB224228E7C889B264AB24F39BA4A60BN7PR17MB2242namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you. I was thinking about doing the same.



Sent from my Sprin= t Samsung Galaxy S9.


-------- Original message --------
From: pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com>
Date: 12/11/18 6:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different = paper/tray/medium?[EXTERNAL]


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:39 AM Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Best thing is to file an issue requesting support for job-sheets-col on the= CUPS Github repository:

        https://github.com/apple/cups/issues

I can't make any promises...


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the fast reply, Mike.
>
> So typically, it will only be IPP-capable "production printers&qu= ot; I can hope to request job-sheets to come from a different tray?
>
> Is there any chance for CUPS to support this in the future?
>
> From my observations, in institutions large schools, universities and = the like as well as in other big organizations they do use this feature qui= te often. I'm under the impression that support/tolerance for the "Pos= tScript-hack" banner pages will not go away in the very near future... but should it happen, this would be killing a l= ot of usefulness in running CUPS print servers for them...
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7815894907918486172==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7815894907918486172== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30B69567FDC14F298E1EBBAE47EAFC1Fhpcom_" --_000_30B69567FDC14F298E1EBBAE47EAFC1Fhpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a d= river upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by a= dding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overr= ides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it w= ill use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the= job. There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attri= bute is not supported by CUPS. On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas > wrote: What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on dif= ferent media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big in= stitutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of= their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the P= ostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to = /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested i= t printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be p= rinted on a specific medium? Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more whi= ch are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with = PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --_000_30B69567FDC14F298E1EBBAE47EAFC1Fhpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: <7020C79510961D458B418F9D05576432@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possib= le for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "drive= r feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Docum= ent and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will u= se the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.=

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a = job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?<= /div>

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript fi= les for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets beca= use thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" print= ers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banner= s/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the pap= er tray specified by setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order jo= b-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-she= ets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do ac= hieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?=

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4430360042358703339==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4430360042358703339== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009586bf057cc162aa" --0000000000009586bf057cc162aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of printing. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) wrote: > If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a > driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by > adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using > "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. > > On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it > will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of > the job. > > There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production > Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this > attribute is not supported by CUPS. > > > On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas wrote: > > What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on > different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? > > I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big > institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands > of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the > PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to > /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested > it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. > > Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be > printed on a specific medium? > > Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more > which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this > with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --0000000000009586bf057cc162aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Except that Client= -side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of pri= nting.

Cheers,
- Ira

= Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobi= lity Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary= - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Pri= nting Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue= Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.g= oogle.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sit= es.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221= =C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless &a= mp; Standards Architect) <smith.= kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possib= le for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "drive= r feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's D= ocument and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it wi= ll use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the = job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.=C2=A0 At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet o= n different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a b= ig institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousan= ds of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then= equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cup= s/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from= the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to= be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any= more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve t= his with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
http= s://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer

________________________= _______________________
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https:= //www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1243485029975030965==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============1243485029975030965== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_236EA4FDDCAB452190370B1039D5589Chpcom_" --_000_236EA4FDDCAB452190370B1039D5589Chpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, good point! Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page manage= ment? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-ba= nd of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. Smith On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald > wrote: Hi Smith, Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the P= rinter (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of printi= ng. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Archi= tect) > wrote: If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a d= river upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by a= dding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overr= ides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it w= ill use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the= job. There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attri= bute is not supported by CUPS. On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas > wrote: What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on dif= ferent media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big in= stitutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of= their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the P= ostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to = /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested i= t printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be p= rinted on a specific medium? Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more whi= ch are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with = PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --_000_236EA4FDDCAB452190370B1039D5589Chpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: <7F1AD36B01BE7940BE22659F812A087A@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support ba= nner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource m= anaged out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that current= ly.
 
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wr= ote:

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info kno= wn only to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as actua= l time of printing.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/bluero= ofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnor= thinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith= (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer support= ed IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstre= am of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by add= ing a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the= added banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com&g= t; wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will u= se the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.=

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> w= rote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a = job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?<= /div>

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript fi= les for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets beca= use thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" print= ers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banner= s/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the pap= er tray specified by setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order jo= b-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-she= ets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do ac= hieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?=

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0771547396751170657==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0771547396751170657== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c1893e057cc3bc35" --000000000000c1893e057cc3bc35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, No need for System Service updates. As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already covers this feature. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) wrote: > Ah, good point! > > Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page > management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed > out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. > > Smith > > > > On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Smith, > > Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the > Printer > (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of > printing. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards > Architect) wrote: > >> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a >> driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by >> adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using >> "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. >> >> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> >> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it >> will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of >> the job. >> >> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production >> Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this >> attribute is not supported by CUPS. >> >> >> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas wrote: >> >> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on >> different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? >> >> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big >> institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands >> of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the >> PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to >> /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested >> it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. >> >> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be >> printed on a specific medium? >> >> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more >> which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this >> with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> > > --000000000000c1893e057cc3bc35 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

No need for System= Service updates.

As Mike observed earlier in this= thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already
=
covers this feature.

Cheers,
- Ira<= /div>

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair= - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Print= ing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-IS= TO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & = Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com<= /a>
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

=


Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page m= anagement? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-= of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.
=C2=A0
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:=

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only= to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of p= rinting.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be p= ossible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "= driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job= 9;s Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the= added banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it wi= ll use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the = job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.=C2=A0 At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet o= n different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a b= ig institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousan= ds of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then= equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cup= s/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from= the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to= be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any= more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve t= his with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

_______________________________________________
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ipp@pwg.org
http= s://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer

________________________= _______________________
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4433858240742270960==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4433858240742270960== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_46924600-B7B3-4524-A2A9-74350B2FC61F"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 --Apple-Mail=_46924600-B7B3-4524-A2A9-74350B2FC61F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F3E6524-1155-43D0-95B7-A58430DE7CC7" --Apple-Mail=_5F3E6524-1155-43D0-95B7-A58430DE7CC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ira, 5100.3 covers a Client using the Job Sheets feature via = "job-sheets-col", which extends "job-sheets" with the ability to specify = a "media" or "media-col" with the sheets.=20 But what the Printer actually renders and prints onto the job sheets = themselves isn't covered. The assumption seems to be that the content to = be printed on the job sheets is implementation-specific. If I as an = operator wanted the job sheet to present my organization's logo, the = user's name, date, job name, printing statistics and print quota status, = I would presumably need to create this myself using something provided = by the printer vendor? Am I missing something? Smith > On Dec 11, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: >=20 > Hi Smith, >=20 > No need for System Service updates. >=20 > As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 = Production Printing) already=20 > covers this feature. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards = Architect) > wrote: > Ah, good point! >=20 > Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page = management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed = out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. > =20 > Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Smith, >>=20 >> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to = the Printer >> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of = printing. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards = Architect) > wrote: >> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible = for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver = feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document = and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added = banner pages. >>=20 >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: >>>=20 >>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners = - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the = rest of the job. >>>=20 >>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: = Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At = present this attribute is not supported by CUPS. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a = job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper = tray)? >>>>=20 >>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for = a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because = thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then = equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' = statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever = such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice. >>>>=20 >>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets = to be printed on a specific medium? >>>>=20 >>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any = more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve = this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >>>=20 >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5F3E6524-1155-43D0-95B7-A58430DE7CC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Ira,

5100.3 covers a = Client using the Job Sheets feature via "job-sheets-col", which extends = "job-sheets" with the ability to specify a "media" or "media-col" with = the sheets. 

But what the Printer actually renders and prints onto the job = sheets themselves isn't covered. The assumption seems to be that the = content to be printed on the job sheets is implementation-specific. If I = as an operator wanted the job sheet to present my organization's logo, = the user's name, date, job name, printing statistics and print quota = status, I would presumably need to create this myself using something = provided by the printer vendor?

Am I missing something?

Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi = Smith,

No need = for System Service updates.

As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG = 5100.3 Production Printing) already
covers this feature.

Cheers,
- = Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO = Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith = (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support = banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a = resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have = that currently.
 
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info = known only to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as = actual time of printing.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, = Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also = be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a = "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's = Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added = banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it = will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of = the job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production = Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At = present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of = a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper = tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript = files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets = because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" = printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to = /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was = requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order = job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use = banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another = valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with = application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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Dec 2018 15:06:11 -0500 Message-id: <585C8690-9DA9-4020-BED1-16A17E8AF10E@apple.com> References: <94DC0CC5-4AE1-4E2E-8619-8996F6506096@apple.com> <30B69567-FDC1-4F29-8E1E-BBAE47EAFC1F@hp.com> <236EA4FD-DCAB-4521-9037-0B1039D5589C@hp.com> To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-12-11_06:, , signatures=0 Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4590780510483871652==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4590780510483871652== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_N+67tGwEDnUAbOfDstADiQ)" --Boundary_(ID_N+67tGwEDnUAbOfDstADiQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ira, I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them with a Printer. Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have is how the Printer would know where to place job information on the sheet... > On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Smith, > > No need for System Service updates. > > As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already > covers this feature. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) > wrote: > Ah, good point! > > Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. > > Smith > > > >> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald > wrote: >> >> Hi Smith, >> >> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer >> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of printing. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) > wrote: >> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. >> >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: >>> >>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job. >>> >>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS. >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas > wrote: >>>> >>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? >>>> >>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. >>>> >>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium? >>>> >>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_N+67tGwEDnUAbOfDstADiQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

I = think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create = new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them = with a Printer.

Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for = job-sheets ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main = issue I'd have is how the Printer would know where to place job = information on the sheet...


On Dec = 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

No need for System Service = updates.

As = Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 = Production Printing) already
covers = this feature.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO = Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith = (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support = banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a = resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have = that currently.
 
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info = known only to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as = actual time of printing.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, = Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also = be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a = "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's = Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added = banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it = will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of = the job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production = Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At = present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of = a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper = tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript = files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets = because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" = printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to = /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was = requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order = job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use = banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another = valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with = application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
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ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

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ipp@pwg.org
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_________________________________________________________
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2221189220497421126==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2221189220497421126== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_80A8296B-10ED-4EBE-90A2-7D895F3512A5"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 --Apple-Mail=_80A8296B-10ED-4EBE-90A2-7D895F3512A5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6B06ECB2-F076-49FD-A106-A076BE50158F" --Apple-Mail=_6B06ECB2-F076-49FD-A106-A076BE50158F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Dec 11, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Ira, >=20 > I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can = create new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then = associate them with a Printer. That's it - thanks Mike! Sorry to all for my struggles with being = articulate.=20 >=20 > Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets = ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have = is how the Printer would know where to place job information on the = sheet... That did occur to me - creating that sounds like it opens up a bunch of = work. (The old CUPS PostScript test page comes to mind...) But even with = something static, a resource type would be needed. >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Smith, >>=20 >> No need for System Service updates. >>=20 >> As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 = Production Printing) already=20 >> covers this feature. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards = Architect) > wrote: >> Ah, good point! >>=20 >> Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page = management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed = out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. >> =20 >> Smith >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Smith, >>>=20 >>> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only = to the Printer >>> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of = printing. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> - Ira >>>=20 >>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = >>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = >>> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & = Standards Architect) > wrote: >>> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible = for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver = feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document = and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added = banner pages. >>>=20 >>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the = banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as = for the rest of the job. >>>>=20 >>>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: = Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At = present this attribute is not supported by CUPS. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a = job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper = tray)? >>>>>=20 >>>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for = a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because = thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then = equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' = statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever = such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order = job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any = more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve = this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ipp mailing list >>>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >>>>=20 >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >>=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6B06ECB2-F076-49FD-A106-A076BE50158F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On = Dec 11, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:

Ira,

I = think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create = new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them = with a Printer.

That's it - thanks Mike! Sorry to all for my struggles = with being articulate. 


Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for = job-sheets ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main = issue I'd have is how the Printer would know where to place job = information on the sheet...

That did occur to me - creating that sounds like it = opens up a bunch of work. (The old CUPS PostScript test page comes to = mind...) But even with something static, a resource type would be = needed.



On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald = <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

No need for System Service = updates.

As = Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 = Production Printing) already
covers = this feature.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith = (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support = banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a = resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have = that currently.
 
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info = known only to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as = actual time of printing.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, = Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also = be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a = "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's = Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added = banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it = will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of = the job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production = Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At = present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of = a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper = tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript = files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets = because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" = printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to = /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was = requested it printed from the paper tray specified by = setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order = job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use = banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another = valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with = application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

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spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 6ca9afda-6131-48e0-adca-08d65fbcbe82 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Dec 2018 23:02:37.2978 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: TU4PR8401MB0927 X-MC-Unique: wcXTeqlfNdq5IFlNp1Loqg-1 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Subject: [IPP] Registration template for new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Greetings, HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current keywords don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the pages is drying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively processing a Job until the condition has passed. The registration template is as follows: Attributes (attribute syntax) Keyword Attribute Value Reference ----------------------- --------- printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword) [RFC8011] marker-ink-drying [HPINC20181212] Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Dec 11 19:10:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED33A13103B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:10:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="===============4701720941356579681==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4701720941356579681== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_shZngfJR1Op6wXdbQsXt1w)" --Boundary_(ID_shZngfJR1Op6wXdbQsXt1w) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Smith, Not sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure about the name. Normally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker subunit, but in this case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perhaps "media-ink-drying" or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the end of the media path before being deposited in the output tray? > On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) wrote: > > Greetings, > > HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current keywords don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the pages is drying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively processing a Job until the condition has passed. > > The registration template is as follows: > > Attributes (attribute syntax) > Keyword Attribute Value Reference > ----------------------- --------- > printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword) [RFC8011] > marker-ink-drying [HPINC20181212] > > Cheers, > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_shZngfJR1Op6wXdbQsXt1w) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith,

Not = sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure about the name. =  Normally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker subunit, = but in this case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perhaps = "media-ink-drying" or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the = end of the media path before being deposited in the output = tray?


On Dec = 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards = Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Greetings,

HP Inc. would like to = register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the = "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current = keywords don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the = pages is drying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be = actively processing a Job until the condition has passed.

The registration template is as follows:

Attributes (attribute syntax)
=    Keyword Attribute Value =             &n= bsp;           Refe= rence
----------------------- =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;   ---------
printer-state-reasons (type2 = keyword) =             &n= bsp; [RFC8011]
   marker-ink-drying =             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;     [HPINC20181212]

Cheers,

Smith

/**
   Smith Kennedy
   Wireless & Standards Architect - = IPG-PPS
   Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF
=    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=    HP Inc.
*/



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boundary="===============0987115220444114157==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0987115220444114157== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AA169A05009B4C64ACDDA8F4B448B725hpcom_" --_000_AA169A05009B4C64ACDDA8F4B448B725hpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, No, we aren't using it yet. I might prefer "media-ink-drying" since other m= arker types don't usually cause the page to get "wet". But if "media-drying= " would be more generically usable, I can live with that instead. If you an= d others can let me know your preference, I'll re-submit the registration r= equest. Smith On Dec 11, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: Smith, Not sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure about the name. N= ormally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker subunit, but in this = case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perhaps "media-ink-drying"= or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the end of the media pat= h before being deposited in the output tray? On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect= ) > wrote: Greetings, HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the = "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current key= words don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the pages is d= rying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively proce= ssing a Job until the condition has passed. The registration template is as follows: Attributes (attribute syntax) Keyword Attribute Value Reference ----------------------- --------- printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword) [RFC8011] marker-ink-drying [HPINC20181212] Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum /= USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --_000_AA169A05009B4C64ACDDA8F4B448B725hpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: <05915663EF5D8244A8496A10BA9BBBD4@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

No, we aren't using it= yet. I might prefer "media-ink-drying" since other marker types = don't usually cause the page to get "wet". But if "media-dry= ing" would be more generically usable, I can live with that instead. If you and others can let me know your preference, I'll re-submit the regi= stration request.

Smith


On Dec 11, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Smith,

Not sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure ab= out the name.  Normally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker = subunit, but in this case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perha= ps "media-ink-drying" or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the end of the media path before being deposite= d in the output tray?


On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Sta= ndards Architect) <sm= ith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Greetings,

HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the = "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The c= urrent keywords don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the = pages is drying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively processing a Job until the condition = has passed.

The registration template is as follows:

Attributes (attribute syntax)
   Keyword Attribute Value      &nb= sp;            =       Reference
-----------------------         &nb= sp;            =        ---------
printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword)       &= nbsp;       [RFC8011]
   marker-ink-drying       &nb= sp;            =            [HPINC201= 81212]

Cheers,

Smith

/**
   Smith Kennedy
   Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
   Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Allianc= e / NFC Forum / USB-IF
   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   HP Inc.
*/



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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ISTO-PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup discussion forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7863692716180663777==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7863692716180663777== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d5b31e057cd6db53" --000000000000d5b31e057cd6db53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith and Mike, We thought about this use case (templates for content items of job sheets) years ago in Open Printing WG and concluded that exact layout (left top of page) was overkill and a simple ordered list of content item keywords to be centered, in order, leaving layout entirely to the Printer (font, point size, etc.) was a useful approach. It's certainly an interesting topic, due to its wide implementation in enterprise, academic, and other managed networks. All - Is there interest in pursuing this in IPP WG? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > Ira, > > I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create > new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them > with a Printer. > > > That's it - thanks Mike! Sorry to all for my struggles with being > articulate. > > > Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets > ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have is > how the Printer would know where to place job information on the sheet... > > > That did occur to me - creating that sounds like it opens up a bunch of > work. (The old CUPS PostScript test page comes to mind...) But even with > something static, a resource type would be needed. > > > > On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Smith, > > No need for System Service updates. > > As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 > Production Printing) already > covers this feature. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards > Architect) wrote: > >> Ah, good point! >> >> Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page >> management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed >> out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently. >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald >> wrote: >> >> Hi Smith, >> >> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the >> Printer >> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of >> printing. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards >> Architect) wrote: >> >>> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for >>> a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" >>> by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using >>> "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages. >>> >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>> >>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - >>> it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of >>> the job. >>> >>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production >>> Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this >>> attribute is not supported by CUPS. >>> >>> >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas wrote: >>> >>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on >>> different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)? >>> >>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big >>> institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands >>> of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the >>> PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to >>> /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested >>> it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice. >>> >>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to >>> be printed on a specific medium? >>> >>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more >>> which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this >>> with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > --000000000000d5b31e057cd6db53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith and Mike,

We though= t about this use case (templates for content items of
job sheets)= years ago in Open Printing WG and concluded that
exact layout (l= eft top of page) was overkill and a simple ordered
list of conten= t item keywords to be centered, in order, leaving
layout ent= irely to the Printer (font, point size, etc.) was a useful
approa= ch.

It's certainly an interesting topic, d= ue to its wide implementation
in enterprise, academic, and other = managed networks.

All - Is there interest in pursu= ing this in IPP WG?

Cheers,
- Ira
<= div>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG= Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG=
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG= Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printe= r MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
h= ttp://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.comPO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Kennedy, Smith (W= ireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
=
<= br>

On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira= McDonald <= blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:


On = Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Arc= hitect) <smith= .kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Ah, good point!

Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page m= anagement? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-= of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.
=C2=A0
Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:=

Hi Smith,

Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only= to the Printer
(which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of p= rinting.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:/= /sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http:/= /sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be p= ossible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "= driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job= 9;s Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the= added banner pages.

On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it wi= ll use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the = job.

There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Prin= ting Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.=C2=A0 At present this = attribute is not supported by CUPS.


On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet o= n different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?

I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a b= ig institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousan= ds of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then= equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cup= s/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from= the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.

Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to= be printed on a specific medium?

Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any= more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve t= his with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp<= br>

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer

________________________= _______________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailma= n/listinfo/ipp


__________________________________________= _______________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer


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boundary="===============0109856382605370388==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0109856382605370388== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C1D66B5723484D0FB4107D3D77FA67B9hpcom_" --_000_C1D66B5723484D0FB4107D3D77FA67B9hpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On second thought, I now prefer "media-drying". I will re-submit the regist= ration request. Smith On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec= t) > wrote: Hi Mike, No, we aren't using it yet. I might prefer "media-ink-drying" since other m= arker types don't usually cause the page to get "wet". But if "media-drying= " would be more generically usable, I can live with that instead. If you an= d others can let me know your preference, I'll re-submit the registration r= equest. Smith On Dec 11, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: Smith, Not sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure about the name. N= ormally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker subunit, but in this = case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perhaps "media-ink-drying"= or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the end of the media pat= h before being deposited in the output tray? On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect= ) > wrote: Greetings, HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the = "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current key= words don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the pages is d= rying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively proce= ssing a Job until the condition has passed. The registration template is as follows: Attributes (attribute syntax) Keyword Attribute Value Reference ----------------------- --------- printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword) [RFC8011] marker-ink-drying [HPINC20181212] Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum /= USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --_000_C1D66B5723484D0FB4107D3D77FA67B9hpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: <1805AFB0CB310D4EB5654D82AA5ABE30@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On second thought, I now prefer "media-drying". I will re-submit = the registration request.

Smith



On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & St= andards Architect) <s= mith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

No, we aren't using it= yet. I might prefer "media-ink-drying" since other marker types = don't usually cause the page to get "wet". But if "media-dry= ing" would be more generically usable, I can live with that instead. If you and others can let me know your preference, I'll re-submit the regi= stration request.

Smith


On Dec 11, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Smith,

Not sure if you are already using this, but I'm not sure ab= out the name.  Normally a marker- prefix means it involves the marker = subunit, but in this case it is the ink that is drying on the media - perha= ps "media-ink-drying" or just "media-drying" since the media is held at the end of the media path before being deposite= d in the output tray?


On Dec 11, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Sta= ndards Architect) <sm= ith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Greetings,

HP Inc. would like to register the new 'marker-ink-drying' keyword for the = "printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The c= urrent keywords don't cover the case where the marker ink deposited on the = pages is drying, and this new state reason justifies why it may not be actively processing a Job until the condition = has passed.

The registration template is as follows:

Attributes (attribute syntax)
   Keyword Attribute Value      &nb= sp;            =       Reference
-----------------------         &nb= sp;            =        ---------
printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword)       &= nbsp;       [RFC8011]
   marker-ink-drying       &nb= sp;            =            [HPINC201= 81212]

Cheers,

Smith

/**
   Smith Kennedy
   Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
   Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Allianc= e / NFC Forum / USB-IF
   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   HP Inc.
*/



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boundary="===============0000517587557930523==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0000517587557930523== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8FCCAAF25E8343A5AC86F44A90F85819hpcom_" --_000_8FCCAAF25E8343A5AC86F44A90F85819hpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, HP Inc. would like to register the new 'media-drying' keyword for the "prin= ter-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The current keywords= don't cover the case where the marker (typically ink) deposited on the pag= es is drying, which may cause the Output Device to pause processing. This n= ew state reason clarifies why the Printer may be pausing processing the cur= rent Job until the condition has passed. The registration template is as follows: Attributes (attribute syntax) Keyword Attribute Value Reference ----------------------- --------- printer-state-reasons (type2 keyword) [RFC8011] media-drying [HPINC20181212] Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy HP Inc. */ --_000_8FCCAAF25E8343A5AC86F44A90F85819hpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings,

HP Inc. would like to register the new 'media-drying' keyword for the "= ;printer-state-reasons" Printer Status attribute [RFC8011]. The c= urrent keywords don't cover the case where the marker (typically ink) depos= ited on the pages is drying, which may cause the Output Device to pause processing. This new state reason clarifies wh= y the Printer may be pausing processing the current Job until the condition= has passed.

The registration template is as follows:

Attributes (attribute sy= ntax)
    Keyword At= tribute Value                  = ;               Reference
----------------------- =                      = ;               ---------
printer-state-reasons (t= ype2 keyword)                  = ;     [RFC8011]
    media-dryi= ng                     &n= bsp;                     =  [HPINC20181212]

Cheers,

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    HP Inc.
*/

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Cheers, - Ira ----------------------------------------------------- Change History 28 December 2018 - Interim draft revision (Ira McDonald) =E2=80=93 changes per PWG F2F revie= w (November 2018). - TODO =E2=80=93 Update section 10 References. - Global =E2=80=93 Replaced =E2=80=9C[RFC8010]=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C[RFC80= 11]=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9C[STD92]=E2=80=9D and fixed References. - Global =E2=80=93 Replace =E2=80=9CRFC2119]=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9C[BCP14]= =E2=80=9D and fixed References. - Global =E2=80=93 Changed SNMP and IPP protocol roles for clarity per sect= ion 2.3 (see below). - Revised document title and URI from =E2=80=9Cpmp=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cpwg= =E2=80=9D scope and v1.0 to v1.1. - Revised copyright in headers and page 2 to show span =E2=80=9C2012-2018= =E2=80=9D. - Revised Abstract to simplify. - Revised section 2.3 Protocol Role Terminology to change =E2=80=9CClient= =E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIPP Client=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9CPrinter=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIPP Printer= =E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9CPrinter MIB Agent=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSNMP Printer=E2=80=9D, and change =E2=80=9CPrinter MIB Client=E2= =80=9D to =E2=80=9CSNMP Client=E2=80=9D. - Revised title of section 3.1 Rationale for Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts to =E2=80=9CRationale=E2=80=9D and add numbering for clarity. - Revised section 3.3 Exceptions to add Comment to define some (they=E2=80= =99re missing). - Revised section 3.4 Out of Scope to align text with current Document Object draft and add numbering. - Revised section 3.5 Design Requirements to align text with current Document Object draft and add numbering. - Revised title of section 4 Printer Model Extensions to =E2=80=9CSNMP Prin= ter Model Extensions=E2=80=9D for clarity (i.e., these are extensions are to th= e Printer MIB v2 model). - Revised title of section 5 MFD and Printer Extension Alerts to =E2=80=9CM= FD Alerts=E2=80=9D for clarity. - Revised title of section 5.1 MFD Alert Groups to =E2=80=9CMFD Subunit Ale= rt Groups=E2=80=9D for clarity. - Revised title of section 5.2 MFD and Printer Extension Subunit Alerts to =E2=80=9CMFD Subunit Alerts=E2=80=9D for clarity. - Revised title of Table 2 MFD and Printer Subunit Alerts to =E2=80=9CMFD S= ubunit Alerts=E2=80=9D for clarity and added note about =E2=80=9CError=E2=80=9D en= ding only when MFD/Printer is stopped. - Revised title of Table 3 IPP printer-state-reasons to =E2=80=9CIPP MFD printer-state-reasons=E2=80=9D for clarity and added notes about =E2=80=9Ce= rror=E2=80=9D ending only when MFD/Printer is stopped and non-mapping of transient FaxModem alerts to IPP. - Revised Table 3 IPP MFD printer-state-reasons to add missing hyphen to =E2=80=9Cscan-media-path-input-feed-error=E2=80=9D to correct a typo. - Revised title of section 7.1 IPP Standard Internationalization Considerations to =E2=80=9CIPP Internationalization Considerations=E2=80= =9D for clarity and removed numbering in first list. - Revised title of section 7.2 MFD Alerts Internationalization Considerations to =E2=80=9CSNMP Internationalization Considerations=E2=80= =9D for clarity. - Revised title of section 8.1 Standard IPP Security Considerations to =E2= =80=9CIPP Security Considerations=E2=80=9D for clarity. - Revised title of section 8.2 MFD Alerts Security Considerations to =E2=80= =9CSNMP Security Considerations=E2=80=9D for clarity. - Revised section 9.2 Alert Codes to suffix =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94DEPRECATED=E2= =80=9D to all of the FaxModem transient alerts (NOT mapped to IPP). - Revised title of section 9.3 IPP Attribute and Keyword Value Registrations to =E2=80=9CIPP Attribute Value Registrations=E2=80=9D for co= nsistency and concatenated with former section 9.5 - Deleted original section 9.4 through section 9.8 (all redundant). - Revised section 11 Author=E2=80=99s Address to move Ron Bergman down to Contributors (as original Author), remove Lexmark from Jerry Thrasher, and add Rick Yardumian and Christopher Rizzo. --0000000000003bfb03057e1cdf14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
've=C2=A0 just posted a new draft of MFD Alerts (was PWG 5105.3-20= 12)
with corrections per PWG F2F in November 2018 at:

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Cheers= ,
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Change History

28 December 2018

- Interim draft r= evision (Ira McDonald) =E2=80=93 changes per PWG F2F review (November 2018)= .
- TODO =E2=80=93 Update section 10 References.
- Global =E2=80=93 R= eplaced =E2=80=9C[RFC8010]=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C[RFC8011]=E2=80=9D with = =E2=80=9C[STD92]=E2=80=9D and fixed References.
- Global =E2=80=93 Repla= ce =E2=80=9CRFC2119]=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9C[BCP14]=E2=80=9D and fixed Refe= rences.
- Global =E2=80=93 Changed SNMP and IPP protocol roles for clari= ty per section 2.3 (see below).
- Revised document title and URI from = =E2=80=9Cpmp=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cpwg=E2=80=9D scope and v1.0 to v1.1.
-= Revised copyright in headers and page 2 to show span =E2=80=9C2012-2018=E2= =80=9D.
- Revised Abstract to simplify.
- Revised section 2.3 Protoco= l Role Terminology to change =E2=80=9CClient=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIPP Clien= t=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9CPrinter=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIPP Printer=E2=80= =9D, change =E2=80=9CPrinter MIB Agent=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSNMP Printer=E2= =80=9D, and change =E2=80=9CPrinter MIB Client=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSNMP Cl= ient=E2=80=9D.
- Revised title of section 3.1 Rationale for Printer MIB = and IPP MFD Alerts to =E2=80=9CRationale=E2=80=9D and add numbering for cla= rity.
- Revised section 3.3 Exceptions to add Comment to define some (th= ey=E2=80=99re missing).
- Revised section 3.4 Out of Scope to align text= with current Document Object draft and add numbering.
- Revised section= 3.5 Design Requirements to align text with current Document Object draft a= nd add numbering.
- Revised title of section 4 Printer Model Extensions = to =E2=80=9CSNMP Printer Model Extensions=E2=80=9D for clarity (i.e., these= are extensions are to the Printer MIB v2 model).
- Revised title of sec= tion 5 MFD and Printer Extension Alerts to =E2=80=9CMFD Alerts=E2=80=9D for= clarity.
- Revised title of section 5.1 MFD Alert Groups to =E2=80=9CMF= D Subunit Alert Groups=E2=80=9D for clarity.
- Revised title of section = 5.2 MFD and Printer Extension Subunit Alerts to =E2=80=9CMFD Subunit Alerts= =E2=80=9D for clarity.
- Revised title of Table 2 MFD and Printer Subuni= t Alerts to =E2=80=9CMFD Subunit Alerts=E2=80=9D for clarity and added note= about =E2=80=9CError=E2=80=9D ending only when MFD/Printer is stopped.
= - Revised title of Table 3 IPP printer-state-reasons to =E2=80=9CIPP MFD pr= inter-state-reasons=E2=80=9D for clarity and added notes about =E2=80=9Cerr= or=E2=80=9D ending only when MFD/Printer is stopped and non-mapping of tran= sient FaxModem alerts to IPP.
- Revised Table 3 IPP MFD printer-state-re= asons to add missing hyphen to =E2=80=9Cscan-media-path-input-feed-error=E2= =80=9D to correct a typo.
- Revised title of section 7.1 IPP Standard In= ternationalization Considerations to =E2=80=9CIPP=C2=A0 Internationalizatio= n Considerations=E2=80=9D for clarity and removed numbering in first list.<= br>- Revised title of section 7.2 MFD Alerts Internationalization Considera= tions to =E2=80=9CSNMP Internationalization Considerations=E2=80=9D for cla= rity.
- Revised title of section 8.1 Standard IPP Security Consideration= s to =E2=80=9CIPP Security Considerations=E2=80=9D for clarity.
- Revise= d title of section 8.2 MFD Alerts Security Considerations to =E2=80=9CSNMP = Security Considerations=E2=80=9D for clarity.
- Revised section 9.2 Aler= t Codes to suffix =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94DEPRECATED=E2=80=9D to all of the FaxMo= dem transient alerts (NOT mapped to IPP).
- Revised title of section 9.3= IPP Attribute and Keyword Value Registrations to =E2=80=9CIPP Attribute Va= lue Registrations=E2=80=9D for consistency and concatenated with former sec= tion 9.5
- Deleted original section 9.4 through section 9.8 (all redund= ant).
- Revised section 11 Author=E2=80=99s Address to move Ron Bergman = down to Contributors (as original Author), remove Lexmark from Jerry Thrash= er, and add Rick Yardumian and Christopher Rizzo.


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Greetings, I posted an updated draft of IPP Authentication Methods on Dec. 22: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181222-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181222.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181222.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippauth-20181222-rev.odt Updated with changes and feedback from review in November 2018 PWG F2F: * Updated exception cases in section 3.3 to delineate authorization and authentication failure exception cases * Restored all UML diagrams to their previous state, removing the authentication and authorization failure cases * Rewrote recommendations in section 5. Happy new year! Smith /** Smith Kennedy HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp