From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 15:59:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC1928C9C5; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XeJB21SdwLcv; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D7828C811; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6507928C2B8 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8L0Ag7SWlz1W for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE14F28C913 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1204847912; x=1236383912; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Th u,=2006=20Mar=202008=2015:58:32=20-0800|From:=20Lakshmina th=20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thun derbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20msec@ietf.org|CC:=20"Sheela=20Rowles=20(srowles) "=20,=20Brian=20Weis=20 ,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20bill@cse.concordia.ca,=20V incent=20Roca=20,=0D=0A=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=3D?ISO-8859-15?Q?=3DC0=3DB1=3DBC=3DAE =3DBF=3DF5?=3D=20|Subject:=20Proposed =20Agenda|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8 859-15=3B=20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20 7bit|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5100,188,5246"=3B =20a=3D"1152236"; bh=NEwtcmdVJ+S97WwCfIJpc6ateilybmVU/Yshh84h6eg=; b=jSik7ogTkaR+iOlETZ1xImmZi64TOZrPZZj92t74KHyhoSsD9itu/Anb bHDhiv8oQJ+2FKlmYoOcwYzfwyqy+6eTjCQHK0CT+W8ij6/EJfyyQ5ezV aVjK2oEF75U8qmSu89ylNwj0SK0aAA6KlRS1WC26nL8G6jAghAXHx2o9P I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5100,188,5246"; a="1152236" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Mar 2008 15:58:32 -0800 Received: from msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (msgtransport03.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.154]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m26NwV0g010374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:31 -0800 Received: from [10.50.76.56] (qconnect-10-50-76-56.qualcomm.com [10.50.76.56]) by msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m26NwTJO019841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:58:32 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) GDOI (Sheela) RMT Stuff (Vincent) * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min * Distributing integrity keys used for routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min Discussion 10 min thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 15:59:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC1928C9C5; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XeJB21SdwLcv; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D7828C811; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6507928C2B8 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8L0Ag7SWlz1W for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE14F28C913 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1204847912; x=1236383912; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Th u,=2006=20Mar=202008=2015:58:32=20-0800|From:=20Lakshmina th=20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thun derbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20msec@ietf.org|CC:=20"Sheela=20Rowles=20(srowles) "=20,=20Brian=20Weis=20 ,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20bill@cse.concordia.ca,=20V incent=20Roca=20,=0D=0A=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=3D?ISO-8859-15?Q?=3DC0=3DB1=3DBC=3DAE =3DBF=3DF5?=3D=20|Subject:=20Proposed =20Agenda|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8 859-15=3B=20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20 7bit|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5100,188,5246"=3B =20a=3D"1152236"; bh=NEwtcmdVJ+S97WwCfIJpc6ateilybmVU/Yshh84h6eg=; b=jSik7ogTkaR+iOlETZ1xImmZi64TOZrPZZj92t74KHyhoSsD9itu/Anb bHDhiv8oQJ+2FKlmYoOcwYzfwyqy+6eTjCQHK0CT+W8ij6/EJfyyQ5ezV aVjK2oEF75U8qmSu89ylNwj0SK0aAA6KlRS1WC26nL8G6jAghAXHx2o9P I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5100,188,5246"; a="1152236" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Mar 2008 15:58:32 -0800 Received: from msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (msgtransport03.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.154]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m26NwV0g010374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:31 -0800 Received: from [10.50.76.56] (qconnect-10-50-76-56.qualcomm.com [10.50.76.56]) by msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m26NwTJO019841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:58:32 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) GDOI (Sheela) RMT Stuff (Vincent) * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min * Distributing integrity keys used for routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min Discussion 10 min thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 21:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4023A6D99; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.237, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsy5DnVmCLu7; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8669D3A6C7C; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708B23A6C7C for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUMvuxTMHLrD for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1693A6CAC for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2008 21:37:33 -0800 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m275bWGx006386; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:32 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m275bVn1019995; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 05:37:31 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:31 -0800 Received: from [10.32.244.211] ([10.32.244.211]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> References: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Message-Id: <17B32E51-7744-4D72-A314-AE1BD037F5EC@cisco.com> From: Brian Weis Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:38:11 -0800 To: Lakshminath Dondeti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2008 05:37:30.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[56120830:01C88015] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1011; t=1204868253; x=1205732253; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=bew@cisco.com; z=From:=20Brian=20Weis=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Proposed=20Agenda |Sender:=20; bh=7Gh6Gf7Ci68x/2wUsC21PmwlXwcx2pOl5TMKJVsKgjQ=; b=W6MgE2KZufm100LkpRe2/9UhDsXmO1m1KLhSibWfu/7z08tHjDFhx9/Jbi jqcfYiB8+Oaf+hGBdTWb+a8f+eWm1GLOVSjnDJ7BkGEsJXfkRFNVNwcpiAlT lMAfZyuM6j; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=bew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll be there, and can meet my parts of the agenda. Thanks, Brian On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our > meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath -- Brian Weis Advanced Security Development, Security Technology Group, Cisco Systems Telephone: +1 408 526 4796 Email: bew@cisco.com _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 21:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4023A6D99; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.237, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsy5DnVmCLu7; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8669D3A6C7C; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708B23A6C7C for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUMvuxTMHLrD for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1693A6CAC for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2008 21:37:33 -0800 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m275bWGx006386; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:32 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m275bVn1019995; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 05:37:31 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:31 -0800 Received: from [10.32.244.211] ([10.32.244.211]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:37:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> References: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Message-Id: <17B32E51-7744-4D72-A314-AE1BD037F5EC@cisco.com> From: Brian Weis Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:38:11 -0800 To: Lakshminath Dondeti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2008 05:37:30.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[56120830:01C88015] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1011; t=1204868253; x=1205732253; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=bew@cisco.com; z=From:=20Brian=20Weis=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Proposed=20Agenda |Sender:=20; bh=7Gh6Gf7Ci68x/2wUsC21PmwlXwcx2pOl5TMKJVsKgjQ=; b=W6MgE2KZufm100LkpRe2/9UhDsXmO1m1KLhSibWfu/7z08tHjDFhx9/Jbi jqcfYiB8+Oaf+hGBdTWb+a8f+eWm1GLOVSjnDJ7BkGEsJXfkRFNVNwcpiAlT lMAfZyuM6j; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=bew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll be there, and can meet my parts of the agenda. Thanks, Brian On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our > meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath -- Brian Weis Advanced Security Development, Security Technology Group, Cisco Systems Telephone: +1 408 526 4796 Email: bew@cisco.com _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 22:38:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCF43A6920; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org It would be interesting to have a discussion between Dan's draft and GDOI-SRTP. Any takers? A first step might be for authors to review each others' drafts. I would like to add this also to the agenda, but an initial discussion on the list would help manage the time at the f2f meeting better. regards, Lakshminath On 2/15/2008 4:12 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > I just posted a new version of "Datagram TLS Secure RTP (DTLS-SRTP) Key > Transport" with a new scenario that I expect will interest the MSEC working > group, "Point to Multipoint using Multicast", > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-avt-dtls-srtp-key-transport-01.txt#secti > on-3.2 > > I had presented -00 to AVT at IETF-70 in Vancouver and have asked for agenda > time to present -01 to AVT in Philadelphia. > > If there is interest and agenda time I can present the idea to the MSEC > working group in Philadelphia to describe how I forsee DTLS-SRTP Key Transport > could work with multicast SRTP. > > Comments welcome. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 22:38:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCF43A6920; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org It would be interesting to have a discussion between Dan's draft and GDOI-SRTP. Any takers? A first step might be for authors to review each others' drafts. I would like to add this also to the agenda, but an initial discussion on the list would help manage the time at the f2f meeting better. regards, Lakshminath On 2/15/2008 4:12 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > I just posted a new version of "Datagram TLS Secure RTP (DTLS-SRTP) Key > Transport" with a new scenario that I expect will interest the MSEC working > group, "Point to Multipoint using Multicast", > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-avt-dtls-srtp-key-transport-01.txt#secti > on-3.2 > > I had presented -00 to AVT at IETF-70 in Vancouver and have asked for agenda > time to present -01 to AVT in Philadelphia. > > If there is interest and agenda time I can present the idea to the MSEC > working group in Philadelphia to describe how I forsee DTLS-SRTP Key Transport > could work with multicast SRTP. > > Comments welcome. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 01:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B653A6AE7; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.726, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fo08MB2dAIjh; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40C13A68F6; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D446C3A68F6 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNXdVjPe-pZu for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [61.144.161.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1263A6886 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JXC00KI3TB22P@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:27 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JXC007MHTB2MN@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:26 +0800 (CST) Received: from l52008 ([10.111.12.155]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXC00NNLTB12U@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:26 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:25 +0800 From: Liu Ya In-reply-to: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> To: 'Lakshminath Dondeti' Message-id: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ach/5iDTvD1mb7esROy4ZXgtjSeCmQATqsUg Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm glad to see MSEC meeting in Philadelphia next week. I will not be there, but will keep an eye on the discussions, especially those about automated group keying for routing and signalling protocols. Hope a successful meeting. Regards Liu Ya On Friday, March 07, 2008 7:59 AM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for > our meeting > in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the > CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 01:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B653A6AE7; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.726, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fo08MB2dAIjh; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40C13A68F6; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D446C3A68F6 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNXdVjPe-pZu for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [61.144.161.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1263A6886 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JXC00KI3TB22P@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:27 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JXC007MHTB2MN@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:26 +0800 (CST) Received: from l52008 ([10.111.12.155]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXC00NNLTB12U@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:26 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:35:25 +0800 From: Liu Ya In-reply-to: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> To: 'Lakshminath Dondeti' Message-id: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ach/5iDTvD1mb7esROy4ZXgtjSeCmQATqsUg Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm glad to see MSEC meeting in Philadelphia next week. I will not be there, but will keep an eye on the discussions, especially those about automated group keying for routing and signalling protocols. Hope a successful meeting. Regards Liu Ya On Friday, March 07, 2008 7:59 AM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for > our meeting > in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the > CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 03:12:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8EF3A6AFF; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.238, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIcVK-wHC0VP; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D9128C255; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FA13A6AFF for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jis5cM-tsxOZ for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F353A6CA0 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,462,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="23478987" Received: from ornon.inrialpes.fr (HELO [194.199.24.115]) ([194.199.24.115]) by mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Mar 2008 12:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: <47D122F4.5090106@inrialpes.fr> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:11:48 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080305) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll participate too and I'd like to discuss the latest changes to the TESLA I-D. IMHO this version can now be considered as stable. I'll send another email detailing the diffs WRT. the previous version and the associated motivations in the coming days. A 10' slot is sufficient. Cheers, Vincent _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 03:12:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8EF3A6AFF; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.238, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIcVK-wHC0VP; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D9128C255; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FA13A6AFF for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jis5cM-tsxOZ for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F353A6CA0 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 03:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,462,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="23478987" Received: from ornon.inrialpes.fr (HELO [194.199.24.115]) ([194.199.24.115]) by mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Mar 2008 12:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: <47D122F4.5090106@inrialpes.fr> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:11:48 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080305) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c88036$92ee9e00$9b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll participate too and I'd like to discuss the latest changes to the TESLA I-D. IMHO this version can now be considered as stable. I'll send another email detailing the diffs WRT. the previous version and the associated motivations in the coming days. A 10' slot is sufficient. Cheers, Vincent _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 07:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD5B28C4C8; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:34:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umyonwJP4ael; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF113A6F54; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:34 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABA73A6A17 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Esa5KNHbPA7 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4073A6EC0 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1204904002; x=1236440002; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Fr i,=2007=20Mar=202008=2007:33:22=20-0800|From:=20Lakshmina th=20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thun derbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20msec@ietf.org|CC:=20Tim=20Polk=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[MSEC]=20Proposed=20Agenda |References:=20<47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> |In-Reply-To:=20<47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> |Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-15=3B =20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit |X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5100,188,5246"=3B=20a =3D"1161750"; bh=CxWvHky1BWJWTRYfK/1lPoCWcUXpup8vS5yvRHvGbOs=; b=DcLzlusvg4LHyXPT2zTPMNJd4/o3sS/hXKPsQOr/SHswnnvfXOt7sVaE NjAc48PASdaE4KHuqdi7PWA6JRY8COdOjpriCi9Po3+uUFImqLvyjU9QS EW8QPwzK8dM+2JyxqbCcwtKl/BuMjVMHALNLro7dxCfNYacBAga9JCiNB 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5100,188,5246"; a="1161750" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Mar 2008 07:33:21 -0800 Received: from msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (msgtransport05.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m27FXLUk022007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:21 -0800 Received: from [10.50.64.242] (qconnect-10-50-64-242.qualcomm.com [10.50.64.242]) by msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m27FXKeF017867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:33:20 -0800 Message-ID: <47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:33:22 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org References: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> Cc: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I had to change the agenda quite a bit to accommodate a request I missed earlier and for re-prioritization of topics. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/msec.txt If you are an active author, please send a status report to the list. We can save some time that way. We can immediately jump into discussions. regards, Lakshminath On 3/6/2008 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our meeting > in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the people in the > CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 7 07:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD5B28C4C8; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I had to change the agenda quite a bit to accommodate a request I missed earlier and for re-prioritization of topics. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/msec.txt If you are an active author, please send a status report to the list. We can save some time that way. We can immediately jump into discussions. regards, Lakshminath On 3/6/2008 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our meeting > in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the people in the > CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for > routing and signaling protocols (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 8 06:17:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5025128D9F1; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PeAtVhjUGZqL; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6DB28CF7A; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8034B3A6ABB for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TU8cPEDy54Wr for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C080229330F for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2008 15:00:48 -0800 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m27N0lsr031499; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:47 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m27N0eM1012958; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:00:45 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:43 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:02:30 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE04A7E1C0@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda Thread-Index: AciAaNVDrKh/nuXYQ7WdkJ0MywpouQAPmdpQ References: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> <47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com> From: "Sheela Rowles (srowles)" To: "Lakshminath Dondeti" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2008 23:00:43.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[12344B90:01C880A7] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1819; t=1204930847; x=1205794847; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=srowles@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Sheela=20Rowles=20(srowles)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[MSEC]=20Proposed=20Agenda |Sender:=20; bh=C6k9IXw3IOg+5kbGpWwf5AQkZlNOa1Ff9xJ5+L38sr4=; b=aHRR5jY1+FC/X7AEcOuUxzYkaFnbm1PSFzav3VIDcMqX2GdymQpIul8ujv hzfxuPn6vyA80CUeuC1JO5p/BhWi/V3TPpFT0lwQEhTVD0I2Rs9hgLjXnw8v ztUG3ml9Mb; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=srowles@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll be there, and I can work with Dan to decide how to best present the SRTP/GDOI and SRTP/DTLS comparision. Thanks, Sheela -----Original Message----- From: msec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:msec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lakshminath Dondeti Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:33 AM To: msec@ietf.org Cc: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda Folks, I had to change the agenda quite a bit to accommodate a request I missed earlier and for re-prioritization of topics. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/msec.txt If you are an active author, please send a status report to the list. We can save some time that way. We can immediately jump into discussions. regards, Lakshminath On 3/6/2008 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our > meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for routing and signaling protocols > (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 8 06:17:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5025128D9F1; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PeAtVhjUGZqL; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6DB28CF7A; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8034B3A6ABB for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TU8cPEDy54Wr for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C080229330F for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2008 15:00:48 -0800 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m27N0lsr031499; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:47 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m27N0eM1012958; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:00:45 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:00:43 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:02:30 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE04A7E1C0@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda Thread-Index: AciAaNVDrKh/nuXYQ7WdkJ0MywpouQAPmdpQ References: <47D08528.3010900@qualcomm.com> <47D16042.5010201@qualcomm.com> From: "Sheela Rowles (srowles)" To: "Lakshminath Dondeti" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2008 23:00:43.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[12344B90:01C880A7] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1819; t=1204930847; x=1205794847; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=srowles@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Sheela=20Rowles=20(srowles)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[MSEC]=20Proposed=20Agenda |Sender:=20; bh=C6k9IXw3IOg+5kbGpWwf5AQkZlNOa1Ff9xJ5+L38sr4=; b=aHRR5jY1+FC/X7AEcOuUxzYkaFnbm1PSFzav3VIDcMqX2GdymQpIul8ujv hzfxuPn6vyA80CUeuC1JO5p/BhWi/V3TPpFT0lwQEhTVD0I2Rs9hgLjXnw8v ztUG3ml9Mb; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=srowles@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I'll be there, and I can work with Dan to decide how to best present the SRTP/GDOI and SRTP/DTLS comparision. Thanks, Sheela -----Original Message----- From: msec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:msec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lakshminath Dondeti Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:33 AM To: msec@ietf.org Cc: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [MSEC] Proposed Agenda Folks, I had to change the agenda quite a bit to accommodate a request I missed earlier and for re-prioritization of topics. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/msec.txt If you are an active author, please send a status report to the list. We can save some time that way. We can immediately jump into discussions. regards, Lakshminath On 3/6/2008 3:58 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry for the delay, but how about the following agenda for our > meeting in Philadelphia. I would like confirmations from all the > people in the CC list that they are planning to attend and present. > > * MSEC Document Status (Various) 20 min > > MSEC IPsec Extensions -- Status (Brian) > GDOI (Sheela) > RMT Stuff (Vincent) > > * MIKEY Capability Discovery (Seokung Yoon) 10 min > > * Distributed keyservers (JW Atwood) 10 min > > * Distributing integrity keys used for routing and signaling protocols > (Brian Weis) 10 min > > Discussion 10 min > > thanks, > Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 07:09:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA78F28C1EF; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.506, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kulwK17GN3ko; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E0328C1F2; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21CE3A68B7; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16LNshM7jVAk; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAA73A6C27; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,469,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="8180665" Received: from vpnloria25.inrialpes.fr (HELO ordinateur-de-roca.local) ([194.199.16.153]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Mar 2008 15:06:59 +0100 Message-ID: <47D3EEFF.1080609@inrialpes.fr> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:06:55 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org, rmt@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] Status of the TESLA for ALC/NORM I-D X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hello, As promised, here are a few comments about the status of the new TESLA for ALC/NORM I-D. The new document: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-04.txt ...and the diff with -03: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-04.txt Regards, Vincent et al. General comments: ----------------- The document is now considered as stable. The whole specification turns out to be relatively complex, essentially because: 1- it defines a working mode that is self-sufficient, instead of relying on several external documents to address for instance the bootstraping aspects. Of course this does not mean that all use-cases must follow the built-in bootstrap mode: it remains an optional feature. 2- it defines 8(!) different authentication tags. Besides, the compact formats require additional processing. Since the sender can transmit a few bits of the "interval index" only, the receivers need a mechanism to guess the non transmitted bits... 3- it specifies how to manage several key chains and to commit the next one with an in-band mechanism. Two alternative solutions could be (1) to define a single key chain, long enough to cover From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 07:09:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA78F28C1EF; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.506, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kulwK17GN3ko; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E0328C1F2; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21CE3A68B7; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16LNshM7jVAk; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAA73A6C27; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,469,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="8180665" Received: from vpnloria25.inrialpes.fr (HELO ordinateur-de-roca.local) ([194.199.16.153]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Mar 2008 15:06:59 +0100 Message-ID: <47D3EEFF.1080609@inrialpes.fr> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:06:55 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org, rmt@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] Status of the TESLA for ALC/NORM I-D X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hello, As promised, here are a few comments about the status of the new TESLA for ALC/NORM I-D. The new document: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-04.txt ...and the diff with -03: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-04.txt Regards, Vincent et al. General comments: ----------------- The document is now considered as stable. The whole specification turns out to be relatively complex, essentially because: 1- it defines a working mode that is self-sufficient, instead of relying on several external documents to address for instance the bootstraping aspects. Of course this does not mean that all use-cases must follow the built-in bootstrap mode: it remains an optional feature. 2- it defines 8(!) different authentication tags. Besides, the compact formats require additional processing. Since the sender can transmit a few bits of the "interval index" only, the receivers need a mechanism to guess the non transmitted bits... 3- it specifies how to manage several key chains and to commit the next one with an in-band mechanism. Two alternative solutions could be (1) to define a single key chain, long enough to cover the whole session, or (2) to have several key chains and relying on an external signaling protocol to securely commit each chain. Our solution is probably more flexible than alternative 1, and does not require any external signaling protocol which can be an asset in some situations. But there is a price to pay for that (see "3.1.2.2. Using Multiple Key Chains"). However IMHO this complexity remains rather acceptable. 4- it defines an additional "weak" Goup MAC optional scheme which is an efficient way to deter some attacks. It does not make the specification significantly more complex but it needs to be implemented too... Other opinions are welcome! Differences between 03 and 04 versions: --------------------------------------- Changes: - the bootstrap information message has been significantly changed: * the key chain commitment is disclosed instead of a "current key". It makes this * the signature section now includes a "cryptographic function type" e.g. to specify that SHA-1 is used internally; * the various fields have been reorganized => 1 more 32 bit word; * added a "Single key chain mode" flag. - added a Signature Cryptographic Function table in the IANA section. - finished/clarified the specification of the steps performed by a receiver to authenticate packets ("4.2. Authentication of Received Packets"). - added some text on how to initialize some sender parameters: "3.1.2.3. Values of the n_tx_lastkey and n_tx_newkcc Parameters" and we moved here some text related to the special cases of session start and long periods of silence. - added a requirement that when multiple key chains are used, the period during which disclosure of the last key of the previous key chain and the period during which disclosure of the commitment to the new key chain MUST NOT overlap. - clarified when a receiver should flush its non authenticated packets. Editorial: - merge of the previous sections 2 and 3 to ease the reading of the doc. - several text improvements. _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec the whole session, or (2) to have several key chains and relying on an external signaling protocol to securely commit each chain. Our solution is probably more flexible than alternative 1, and does not require any external signaling protocol which can be an asset in some situations. But there is a price to pay for that (see "3.1.2.2. Using Multiple Key Chains"). However IMHO this complexity remains rather acceptable. 4- it defines an additional "weak" Goup MAC optional scheme which is an efficient way to deter some attacks. It does not make the specification significantly more complex but it needs to be implemented too... Other opinions are welcome! Differences between 03 and 04 versions: --------------------------------------- Changes: - the bootstrap information message has been significantly changed: * the key chain commitment is disclosed instead of a "current key". It makes this * the signature section now includes a "cryptographic function type" e.g. to specify that SHA-1 is used internally; * the various fields have been reorganized => 1 more 32 bit word; * added a "Single key chain mode" flag. - added a Signature Cryptographic Function table in the IANA section. - finished/clarified the specification of the steps performed by a receiver to authenticate packets ("4.2. Authentication of Received Packets"). - added some text on how to initialize some sender parameters: "3.1.2.3. Values of the n_tx_lastkey and n_tx_newkcc Parameters" and we moved here some text related to the special cases of session start and long periods of silence. - added a requirement that when multiple key chains are used, the period during which disclosure of the last key of the previous key chain and the period during which disclosure of the commitment to the new key chain MUST NOT overlap. - clarified when a receiver should flush its non authenticated packets. Editorial: - merge of the previous sections 2 and 3 to ease the reading of the doc. - several text improvements. _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 20:47:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EC628C224; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.668 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.668 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.275, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xudwx1cuJ588; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9ED3A69AE; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CED3A68F3 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xhNIIC7IRPbV for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA38728C316 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1205120630; x=1236656630; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<47D462E1.40105@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Sun, =2009=20Mar=202008=2015:21:21=20-0700|From:=20Lakshminath =20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thunde rbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201.0 |To:=20Dan=20Wing=20|CC:=20msec@ietf.org |Subject:=20Re:=20[MSEC]=20multicast=20scenario=20for=20S RTP-DTLS=20Key=20Transport|References:=20<029201c87030$ab e805b0$c4f0200a@cisco.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<029201c87030$a be805b0$c4f0200a@cisco.com>|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B =20charset=3DISO-8859-15=3B=20format=3Dflowed |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DM cAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5247"=3B=20a=3D"1000599"; bh=Op2NmB8hs183UrS8j+rsfNRTveHVGjcsyTru/L+ygHQ=; b=h92Ui6U95tnQxOezYqxdCkMZGZDLvgcPmdWHPSZkseUGjRvIee2bxL/v N2XJ3dojz6Y7whLi2QI5sjmVekPqbqigtSSAHtNLXqtRH0UzdclXKwSVZ lCPu0gzgSOeJyzigSoERlTwoW6lnjaDNAwyh+QswopCTqV03HZPPFC8Ys o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5247"; a="1000599" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Mar 2008 20:43:50 -0700 Received: from msgtransport04.qualcomm.com (msgtransport04.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.156]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m2A3hnVm020477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:43:49 -0700 Received: from [10.50.76.18] (qconnect-10-50-76-18.qualcomm.com [10.50.76.18]) by msgtransport04.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m2A3hlfO030753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:43:48 -0700 Message-ID: <47D462E1.40105@qualcomm.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:21:21 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <029201c87030$abe805b0$c4f0200a@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <029201c87030$abe805b0$c4f0200a@cisco.com> Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] multicast scenario for SRTP-DTLS Key Transport X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing this work with MSEC. The draft is very good for an -01-. Many thanks for your hard work. To start off, I should say, we have considered group keying in the context of TLS in MSEC a long while ago. Before I ramble, I should say that it has been a while ( we discussed the topic, so my recollection and especially my terminology may not be precise. The idea was that TLS can be used to establish the secure channel of Phase 1 (in lieu of IKE Main Mode/Quick Mode). Phase 2 would then be similar, irrespective of what protocol was used in Phase 1. Now, I understand and would make a case for reusing payloads of the protocol used in Phase 1, in Phase 2 as well. To that end, there will be differences, but schematically there shouldn't be. More recently, I was thinking about how to optimize and documented some of those thoughts in GKDP; there are some security and/or policy negotiation tradeoffs however. Specifically, one could claim that a group member may ask to join a group with ID, GID, for which the GCKS or an equivalent entity would then provide the group security policy, if the member agrees to the policy, it could then ask for the keys. One could make an argument to keep the group security policy secret, although, I would say that there is no real need to keep the policy secret in most general use cases. Some comments on your draft (including nits): On the use of the word DTLS peer: I guess this is one of those terminology things that we have to go back and forth on with regard to TLS. TLS itself of course has the notion of client and server; in the context of SRTP, point-to-point security context establishment, it makes sense to use the word peer instead of client and server; however, in the context of group keying, the asymmetric roles are again quite meaningful. Specifically, group policy and the keys are always sent by the key server. There is also no negotiation of group policy. To that end, in Page 10, there is a note about no changes to crypto parameters and that a new handshake is needed for that. It is plausible that I don't have the context right, could you explain this please? Next, I am not sure I understand the notion of new_srtp_key and your_new_srtp_key. Perhaps some reworking of terminology might be useful here. Would a multicast key update be possible with this? If the idea is to be able to support rekeying at the time of membership changes, that might scale better. Would key management for multiple streams be a possibility? Similarly, would it be possible to offload key management to a separate entity? In those cases, it might make sense to be able to identity the stream, session or more generally, the secure group for which the keys are being transported. Perhaps it might make sense to call the extension, TLS Key transport extension to make it as general as possible. Thoughts? Is there any reason to scope it to DTLS or SRTP? In Figure 9, I am not sure I understand the symmetry. In each instance of a secure group, isn't there a single server (let's set aside the cases of use of subordinate group controllers or redundant servers etc) with all other entities within the group being clients? I guess the symmetry is to state that in the use case of a mixer, each entity is a "sender." If so, I am making a case for making the protocol more generic. I don't recall the following about TLS. Can the key management session continue after Finished? I will also check when I have connectivity and probably respond again. In Section 6, how effective is transport address matching? More specifically, how hard is it to spoof the transport address in addition to using the sender's key? The solution is in effect a poor man's mechanism for source authentication. I am just curious contextually how powerful it is. All, I invite you to participate in this discussion. I am going to ask Dan to present a comparative analysis or summarize the shortcuts that he has thought of compared to GDOI-SRTP instead of a tutorial presentation. Needless to say, please read the draft prior to the meeting. Please don't expect a tutorial at the meeting. Unfortunately, we don't have time for a tutorial and to make progress. thanks, Lakshminath On 2/15/2008 4:12 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > I just posted a new version of "Datagram TLS Secure RTP (DTLS-SRTP) Key > Transport" with a new scenario that I expect will interest the MSEC working > group, "Point to Multipoint using Multicast", > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-avt-dtls-srtp-key-transport-01.txt#secti > on-3.2 > > I had presented -00 to AVT at IETF-70 in Vancouver and have asked for agenda > time to present -01 to AVT in Philadelphia. > > If there is interest and agenda time I can present the idea to the MSEC > working group in Philadelphia to describe how I forsee DTLS-SRTP Key Transport > could work with multicast SRTP. > > Comments welcome. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 20:47:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EC628C224; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing this work with MSEC. The draft is very good for an -01-. Many thanks for your hard work. To start off, I should say, we have considered group keying in the context of TLS in MSEC a long while ago. Before I ramble, I should say that it has been a while ( we discussed the topic, so my recollection and especially my terminology may not be precise. The idea was that TLS can be used to establish the secure channel of Phase 1 (in lieu of IKE Main Mode/Quick Mode). Phase 2 would then be similar, irrespective of what protocol was used in Phase 1. Now, I understand and would make a case for reusing payloads of the protocol used in Phase 1, in Phase 2 as well. To that end, there will be differences, but schematically there shouldn't be. More recently, I was thinking about how to optimize and documented some of those thoughts in GKDP; there are some security and/or policy negotiation tradeoffs however. Specifically, one could claim that a group member may ask to join a group with ID, GID, for which the GCKS or an equivalent entity would then provide the group security policy, if the member agrees to the policy, it could then ask for the keys. One could make an argument to keep the group security policy secret, although, I would say that there is no real need to keep the policy secret in most general use cases. Some comments on your draft (including nits): On the use of the word DTLS peer: I guess this is one of those terminology things that we have to go back and forth on with regard to TLS. TLS itself of course has the notion of client and server; in the context of SRTP, point-to-point security context establishment, it makes sense to use the word peer instead of client and server; however, in the context of group keying, the asymmetric roles are again quite meaningful. Specifically, group policy and the keys are always sent by the key server. There is also no negotiation of group policy. To that end, in Page 10, there is a note about no changes to crypto parameters and that a new handshake is needed for that. It is plausible that I don't have the context right, could you explain this please? Next, I am not sure I understand the notion of new_srtp_key and your_new_srtp_key. Perhaps some reworking of terminology might be useful here. Would a multicast key update be possible with this? If the idea is to be able to support rekeying at the time of membership changes, that might scale better. Would key management for multiple streams be a possibility? Similarly, would it be possible to offload key management to a separate entity? In those cases, it might make sense to be able to identity the stream, session or more generally, the secure group for which the keys are being transported. Perhaps it might make sense to call the extension, TLS Key transport extension to make it as general as possible. Thoughts? Is there any reason to scope it to DTLS or SRTP? In Figure 9, I am not sure I understand the symmetry. In each instance of a secure group, isn't there a single server (let's set aside the cases of use of subordinate group controllers or redundant servers etc) with all other entities within the group being clients? I guess the symmetry is to state that in the use case of a mixer, each entity is a "sender." If so, I am making a case for making the protocol more generic. I don't recall the following about TLS. Can the key management session continue after Finished? I will also check when I have connectivity and probably respond again. In Section 6, how effective is transport address matching? More specifically, how hard is it to spoof the transport address in addition to using the sender's key? The solution is in effect a poor man's mechanism for source authentication. I am just curious contextually how powerful it is. All, I invite you to participate in this discussion. I am going to ask Dan to present a comparative analysis or summarize the shortcuts that he has thought of compared to GDOI-SRTP instead of a tutorial presentation. Needless to say, please read the draft prior to the meeting. Please don't expect a tutorial at the meeting. Unfortunately, we don't have time for a tutorial and to make progress. thanks, Lakshminath On 2/15/2008 4:12 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > I just posted a new version of "Datagram TLS Secure RTP (DTLS-SRTP) Key > Transport" with a new scenario that I expect will interest the MSEC working > group, "Point to Multipoint using Multicast", > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-avt-dtls-srtp-key-transport-01.txt#secti > on-3.2 > > I had presented -00 to AVT at IETF-70 in Vancouver and have asked for agenda > time to present -01 to AVT in Philadelphia. > > If there is interest and agenda time I can present the idea to the MSEC > working group in Philadelphia to describe how I forsee DTLS-SRTP Key Transport > could work with multicast SRTP. > > Comments welcome. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 12 11:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA5528C67A; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.956, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MULT_VIA_CITIZNET=1.394, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MnDfrFXRgK2J; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8380D3A6EE6; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3651A3A6927 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id paV2k7piA8QN for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D59E3A6951 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1205345532; x=1236881532; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<47D81CF9.7060209@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20We d,=2012=20Mar=202008=2011:12:09=20-0700|From:=20Lakshmina th=20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thun derbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20msec@ietf.org|Subject:=20Need=20volunteers=20for =20minute-taking=20...=20|Content-Type:=20text/plain =3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-15=3B=20format=3Dflowed |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DM cAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5250"=3B=20a=3D"1062966"; bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=; b=wxuvBpsAyoHNp5H/KtaAhgfOVIu5aszDUeQwk3al5cqDrdNGL1fod7eW F7aHOku5nWSFtGmYDWgnirH8JFJgolIXLXfmSqPZynK7GSww+u+S1ll0F wDW+A3wFBUpFLYjkqWDFQCjZIgCOvoAIV0VZ9uDdBRWOPYZNSTJxrpm2c Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5250"; a="1062966" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Mar 2008 11:12:11 -0700 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m2CICBkU013981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:12:11 -0700 Received: from [10.50.73.86] (qconnect-10-50-73-86.qualcomm.com [10.50.73.86]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m2CIC9xO025347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D81CF9.7060209@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:12:09 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] Need volunteers for minute-taking ... 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Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:41:21 -0700 Received: from [10.50.68.106] (qconnect-10-50-68-106.qualcomm.com [10.50.68.106]) by msgtransport02.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m2DHfIUS030336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:41:19 -0700 Message-ID: <47D9673E.9040602@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:41:18 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: saag@mit.edu Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] MSEC summary X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org We spent 1 hour on Wednesday discussing new work items. There are requirements related to a signaling protocol (RSVP) and routing protocols (e.g., OSPF, NLS) which point to the need for group key management protocols. There are indications that the work needs to happen in MSEC; although there is caution from the TSV ADs that the requirements do not imply that a particular protocol can be adopted as a MSEC work item. The direction would have been to extend GDOI to satisfy these requirements. As it stands now, we see no urgency for that work to happen. It appears that may be a longer term goal and so we agreed to proceed with the current GDOI extensions work (unrelated to the new requirements, and related to hash algorithm agility and other minor changes based on implementation experience). The authors are advised to continue the work as individual work. Next, Dan Wing presented his SRTP key transport work which works over DTLS. MSEC has a work item on group keying for SRTP, GDOI-SRTP. Sheela Rowles compared to the two approaches and after some discussion the conclusion was to pursue optimization of GDOI-SRTP for large groups and DTLS-SRTP-Key transport for small groups. As a side note, Dan was asked to study if there are indeed difficulties in using the TLS-based solution for large groups. TESLA-for-alc-norm is ready for WGLC. There was also a presentation on extending MIKEY to support mode negotiation. regards, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec>, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org We spent 1 hour on Wednesday discussing new work items. There are requirements related to a signaling protocol (RSVP) and routing protocols (e.g., OSPF, NLS) which point to the need for group key management protocols. There are indications that the work needs to happen in MSEC; although there is caution from the TSV ADs that the requirements do not imply that a particular protocol can be adopted as a MSEC work item. The direction would have been to extend GDOI to satisfy these requirements. As it stands now, we see no urgency for that work to happen. It appears that may be a longer term goal and so we agreed to proceed with the current GDOI extensions work (unrelated to the new requirements, and related to hash algorithm agility and other minor changes based on implementation experience). The authors are advised to continue the work as individual work. Next, Dan Wing presented his SRTP key transport work which works over DTLS. MSEC has a work item on group keying for SRTP, GDOI-SRTP. Sheela Rowles compared to the two approaches and after some discussion the conclusion was to pursue optimization of GDOI-SRTP for large groups and DTLS-SRTP-Key transport for small groups. As a side note, Dan was asked to study if there are indeed difficulties in using the TLS-based solution for large groups. TESLA-for-alc-norm is ready for WGLC. 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