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Thanks! http://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/multimob/multimob-archive%40optimus.ietf.org From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 6 14:03:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA343A717D; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:03:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=1] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYf0ohX7N3-I; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80D3A7282; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E433A726F for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5IlSgY-0pZg for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 26BB03A7282 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 70596 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 22:02:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OIrulZMVM1mDC8ekfjc8AlMkMRnnG7Kr9xO5p0pLU9yITHQ.CJKOh9ygEDB27bC8uWyyLJiFXO7Nox85QSr.vz1zJxJSvsRKPrkC8qRIfaIeun_DGWk- Received: from [71.123.247.57] by web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:02:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.160 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <260622.63542.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [multimob] Situation Update and Drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1327889647==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============1327889647== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1019726112-1202335350=:63542" --0-1019726112-1202335350=:63542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, The detailed minutes and list of problems identified from IETF 70 in Vancouver are now posted in Multimob page at: http://www-etud.iro.umontreal.ca/~sarikaya/multimob/ We missed the deadline for a BOF in IETF 71. However, the efforts are underway for a BOF in IETF 72. Please find a list of Multimob drafts below. The draft authors, make sure to update your drafts in time before Monday Feb. 25, 208. If you do then send an email to the list. New drafts are also welcomed. The deadline for -00 drafts is Monday Feb. 18, 2008. Again do not forget to announce your draft. Regards, Behcet Problem statement Drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt Agent-based solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt Protocol-based solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6-04.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt --0-1019726112-1202335350=:63542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear all,
  The detailed minutes and list of problems identified from IETF 70 in Vancouver are now posted in Multimob page at:
http://www-etud.iro.umontreal.ca/~sarikaya/multimob/
  We missed the deadline for a BOF in IETF 71. However, the efforts are underway for a BOF in IETF 72.
  Please find a list of Multimob drafts below. The draft authors, make sure to update your drafts in time before Monday Feb. 25, 208. If you do then send an email to the list.
  New drafts are also welcomed. The deadline for -00 drafts is Monday Feb. 18, 2008. Again do not forget to announce your draft.

Regards,

Behcet



--0-1019726112-1202335350=:63542-- --===============1327889647== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============1327889647==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 22 09:11:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0223A6CAC; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fl0SfpExU3e5; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82EC28C362; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:28 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFF028C279 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3YPbZNyP1zw3 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFA928C453 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDB4198D06; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:11:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E902198D6C; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:11:15 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:04:15 +0100 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Rajeev Koodli Subject: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Its been a while since something happened on this front. I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for wireless links and building new protocol machinery for home agents to "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. Without high quality proposals, this work is not going to move forward. I would suggest that the interested people gather in hallways at Philadelphia and start working on proposals. If you need rooms I can give you one. When you have something for IETF-72, some of it might be appropriate for AD sponsored documents in the IETF, some might be food for discussion in MOBOPTS, etc. Jari _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 22 15:42:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0363A6D3A; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.763 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.763 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.326, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r5b5RDcQBDos; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995463A6912; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6035D3A6CC6 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0nozUcz7HUit for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr2.ericy.com (imr2.ericy.com [198.24.6.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFD43A6D3A for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw751.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.51]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1MNgImR010195; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:42:18 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.56]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:42:17 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: <47BF5E60.2070305@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:44:32 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2008 23:42:17.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F2CC600:01C875AC] Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jari, Behcet and I wrote a condensed problem statement document that discusses the basic problems we would like to solve in multimob. We would like to use the document to get feedback from interested people in Philly. After these discussions we would like to decide on the way forward. i.e. prioritizing the work items. The document is available at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt Thanks Suresh Jari Arkko wrote: > Folks, > > Its been a while since something happened on this front. > > I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are > still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some > potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for > wireless links and building new protocol machinery for home agents to > "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. > > Without high quality proposals, this work is not going to move forward. > I would suggest that the interested people gather in hallways at > Philadelphia and start working on proposals. If you need rooms I can > give you one. When you have something for IETF-72, some of it might be > appropriate for AD sponsored documents in the IETF, some might be food > for discussion in MOBOPTS, etc. > > Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sat Feb 23 08:08:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46D13A6AA0; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.338 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.901, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mgyXA72ujd1T; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A7A3A6AA8; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF1B3A6AA0 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4U0T+u-ibnB for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from web84114.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web84114.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F7513A6AA8 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 74316 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2008 16:08:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=0DpnpJvuiHijPBIt5XvlGeS/T29TjCkWUWXfwQ2wN/FyGu7Lts/kfhXWWE3tGKe+nbU2s0nFiGCjSNl3qJnuAE1oJrMTBEwc0D1WATHFZhsygaaZ87zeKzZg1OfuS1VsfkN3At15qt2s6+v5ARK0AI+zyOJeOtP4N2Lh1cFzMvA=; X-YMail-OSG: YU8e_pwVM1kwTUFjOfbmRy6h9ylsx.uPYdc3Q6el3zBKjY8YDBq9_sk3sPOy1YIiDm4fV_tvcw-- Received: from [71.123.247.57] by web84114.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-178499436-1203782902=:69982" Message-ID: <337452.69982.qm@web84114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [multimob] Fw: moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --0-178499436-1203782902=:69982 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1536033375-1203782902=:69982" --0-1536033375-1203782902=:69982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Forwarding Hitoshi's email that somehow did not appear on the mailing list. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Hitoshi Asaeda To: sarikaya@ieee.org; suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:52:18 PM Subject: Fw: [multimob] moving forward? Hi Behcet and Suresh, I sent this mail yesterday but seems not be on an ML... I forward it. Thanks, -- Hitoshi Asaeda -----Inline Message Follows----- Jari, > I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are > still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some > potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for > wireless links I have been working on this topic and am willing to continuously work on it. You may want to look at; draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt and draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt > and building new protocol machinery for home agents to > "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. What do you mean "aggregating traffic"? In the current condition, there is no relation between MLD and multicast traffic. Well, the bad thing is that unfortunately I cannot attend the next IETF.. Sorry about it. However, I'm sure Behcet and Suresh will give me valuable input after the meeting and discussion, and I will follow their input. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda Jari, > I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are > still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some > potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for > wireless links I have been working on this topic and am willing to continuously work on it. You may want to look at; draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt and draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt > and building new protocol machinery for home agents to > "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. What do you mean "aggregating traffic"? In the current condition, there is no relation between MLD and multicast traffic. Well, the bad thing is that unfortunately I cannot attend the next IETF.. Sorry about it. However, I'm sure Behcet and Suresh will give me valuable input after the meeting and discussion, and I will follow their input. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda --0-1536033375-1203782902=:69982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Forwarding Hitoshi's email that somehow did not appear on the mailing list.

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To: sarikaya@ieee.org; suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:52:18 PM
Subject: Fw: [multimob] moving forward?

Hi Behcet and Suresh,

I sent this mail yesterday but seems not be on an ML...
I forward it.
Thanks,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda


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Jari,

> I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are
> still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some
> potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for
> wireless links

I have been working on this topic and am willing to continuously work
on it.
You may want to look at;
draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
and
draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt

> and building new protocol machinery for home agents to
> "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes.

What do you mean "aggregating traffic"?
In the current condition, there is no relation between MLD and
multicast traffic.

Well, the bad thing is that unfortunately I cannot attend the next
IETF.. Sorry about it.
However, I'm sure Behcet and Suresh will give me valuable input after
the meeting and discussion, and I will follow their input.

Regards,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda
Jari,

> I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are
> still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some
> potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for
> wireless links

I have been working on this topic and am willing to continuously work
on it.
You may want to look at;
draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
and
draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt

> and building new protocol machinery for home agents to
> "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes.

What do you mean "aggregating traffic"?
In the current condition, there is no relation between MLD and
multicast traffic.

Well, the bad thing is that unfortunately I cannot attend the next
IETF.. Sorry about it.
However, I'm sure Behcet and Suresh will give me valuable input after
the meeting and discussion, and I will follow their input.

Regards,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda

--0-1536033375-1203782902=:69982-- --0-178499436-1203782902=:69982 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:00:32 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20080223.030032.78715504.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Cc: multimob@ietf.org, rajeev.koodli@gmail.com Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jari, > I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are > still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some > potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for > wireless links I have been working on this topic and am willing to continuously work on it. You may want to look at; draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt and draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt > and building new protocol machinery for home agents to > "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. What do you mean "aggregating traffic"? In the current condition, there is no relation between MLD and multicast traffic. Well, the bad thing is that unfortunately I cannot attend the next IETF.. Sorry about it. However, I'm sure Behcet and Suresh will give me valuable input after the meeting and discussion, and I will follow their input. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda --0-178499436-1203782902=:69982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --0-178499436-1203782902=:69982-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 24 07:57:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33CA3A6BAC; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:57:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HHu6he7HjsKJ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B828C0E1; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821553A68A0; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QsAyzfpPxpqT; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397523A688D; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:56:45 -0800 (PST) Envelope-to: mobopts@irtf.org, multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178187150.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.187.150] helo=[192.168.178.22]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JTJDR-000Cgn-0h; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:56:37 +0100 Message-ID: <47C193AC.3020001@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:56:28 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" , multimob@ietf.org Subject: [multimob] ID-update of draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, we just updated the problem statement ID: "Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey" Abstract This document discusses current mobility extensions to IP layer multicast. Problems arising from mobile group communication in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and deployment issues for fixed IPv6 networks are summarized. Specific properties and interplays with the underlying network access are surveyed w.r.t. the relevant technologies in the wireless domain. It outlines the principal approaches to multicast mobility. In addition to providing a comprehensive exploration of the mobile multicast problem and solution space, this document attempts to draft a conceptual roadmap for initial steps in standardization for the use of future mobile multicast protocol designers. It should be on the ID directory soon: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03 but may be immediately downloaded from: http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt This version is a major update, including * the outcome of the extensive discussions at Vancouver * a new section on multicast tunneling issues * a real lot of editorial improvements, which are mainly due to a very thorough review by Gorry Fairhurst. The document seems to converge - it is our intention to provide another = update shortly after Philadelphia to fill some gaps. Please all, provide your comments and help us work towards finalization = - to arrive at a high quality problem reference for this hot, but quite = involved area of Mobile Multicast. Best regards, thomas -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 24 12:39:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF09D28C175; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oswmYTyxrDsV; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C103A6AA2; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:39 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8214D3A68A0; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ffYUU9Bh0atu; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E536D3A6AA2; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:39:36 -0800 (PST) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org Received: from e178187150.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.187.150] helo=[192.168.178.22]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JTNdC-0005KX-Gg; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:39:30 +0100 Message-ID: <47C1D5F0.5010405@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:39:12 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> <47BF5E60.2070305@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47BF5E60.2070305@ericsson.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org, "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Suresh & Behcet, just some quick comments on your new ID: * first of all the obvious: this is not exactly hitting the basic = problems identified in the Vancouver meeting. So the question would be, = why do you propose to proceed otherwise? * second I'm thinking about the ID itself: Mobile multicast always = faces the problems of two complex worlds, mobility & multicast. Very = easily one is tempted to come up with a neat solution, which then turns = out to be in conflict with either one of the two paradigms. In cutting = the problem space short, there is significant danger of turning away = from those problems, which are hidden but harmful. Some more details: * In your sample scenario (figure 1) you seem to draw a layer2-only handover. In this case, the problem reduces to the MIH-context transfer problem (cf. section 4.3 in [1]). * The statement "When a mobile node joins a multicast group, it uses its home address to do so." (sect. 4.2) is not generally true. For Mcast listeners I would rather suspect the opposite, the use of CoA as the more common use case. * The statement "The currently available multicast protocols were designed based on the receivers being fixed nodes with large processing capacities. [...] They also potentially involve extensive computation capabilities on the nodes." (sect. 4.) appears generally wrong to my ears. Actually, 'normal' multicast admits a rather lightweight interface at the client side - it's a UDP socket option. I haven't measure system resources, but an MLDv1 Mcast socket poses probably less load than a TCP socket. It is about zero as compared to a full-screen H.264 decoder :-) * A repeat on MLD-light: This cuts off the selective exclude, which addresses basically a layer 2 issue. Routers in SSM do have source-selective group membership tables anyway, but switches do not. This does not seem mobility-related, as a wireless L2 operates on a shared medium - thus an exclude of selective receivers would not save bandwidth. * Another word about the MLD problem: To my understanding, there are two established mechanisms, the explicit host tracking and the attendance mode, which solve the (rather minor) issues. Per-host tracking is discussed as an option in RFC 3810, attendance today is implemented for IPTV on the application layer together with a fast (video) frame recovery (cf. section 5.2.4 in [1]). [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03 Elsewise: What are the plans for Philadelphia? We might find the time to = write down some solution draft from the pipe ... at least we can = contribute in a meeting: any specific plans? Cheers & best regards, Thomas Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Jari, > Behcet and I wrote a condensed problem statement document that = > discusses the basic problems we would like to solve in multimob. We = > would like to use the document to get feedback from interested people in = > Philly. After these discussions we would like to decide on the way = > forward. i.e. prioritizing the work items. The document is available at > = > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt > = > Thanks > Suresh > = > Jari Arkko wrote: >> Folks, >> >> Its been a while since something happened on this front. >> >> I talked to Rajeev yesterday and I would like to suggest that if you are >> still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some >> potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for >> wireless links and building new protocol machinery for home agents to >> "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. >> >> Without high quality proposals, this work is not going to move forward. >> I would suggest that the interested people gather in hallways at >> Philadelphia and start working on proposals. If you need rooms I can >> give you one. When you have something for IETF-72, some of it might be >> appropriate for AD sponsored documents in the IETF, some might be food >> for discussion in MOBOPTS, etc. >> >> Jari >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > = > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 24 14:05:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316FE3A6C65; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.636 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.636 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tykckkQHzxTf; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623E03A6904; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DCA3A6904 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vpVdr5PbuDpc for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B7E3A6875 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1OM5KDt031855; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:05:20 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.51]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:05:20 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:05:19 -0600 Message-ID: <47C1EA07.1090008@ericsson.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:04:55 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> <47BF5E60.2070305@ericsson.com> <47C1D5F0.5010405@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <47C1D5F0.5010405@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2008 22:05:19.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[582212B0:01C87731] Cc: multimob@ietf.org, "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Thomas, Thanks for the comments. Please see responses inline. Thomas C. Schmidt wrote: > Hi Suresh & Behcet, > > just some quick comments on your new ID: > > * first of all the obvious: this is not exactly hitting the basic > problems identified in the Vancouver meeting. So the question would be, > why do you propose to proceed otherwise? This document is just an attempt to have a high level view of the problem space. This document has no official standing at all (nor will it ever). It will be used to gauge interest in what problems people are interested in solving right now. There was no such understanding (of what to do) achieved in Vancouver. The other problem statement drafts (including yours) will be the ones that will define the precise problems to be solved. > > * second I'm thinking about the ID itself: Mobile multicast always > faces the problems of two complex worlds, mobility & multicast. Very > easily one is tempted to come up with a neat solution, which then turns > out to be in conflict with either one of the two paradigms. In cutting > the problem space short, there is significant danger of turning away > from those problems, which are hidden but harmful. Agree. But do you see anything in the draft that suggests doing so? > > Some more details: This draft was not designed to be a detailed problem statement. I would like the other problem statement drafts to cover the details. Other than the details, do you agree that the problems listed in this document cover the problem space? > Elsewise: What are the plans for Philadelphia? We might find the time to > write down some solution draft from the pipe ... at least we can > contribute in a meeting: any specific plans? Jari has offered us a room to meet in Philly. I would really love to see some solution drafts. Thanks Suresh _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 24 16:02:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616628C351; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.385 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NGJaWxbEhfpX; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439F428C237; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9809028C0FF; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMRTTj82hIEv; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E6D28C141; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:10 -0800 (PST) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org Received: from e178187150.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.187.150] helo=[192.168.178.22]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JTQnB-000F4F-Ml; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <47C20570.6060703@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:01:52 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> <47BF5E60.2070305@ericsson.com> <47C1D5F0.5010405@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <47C1EA07.1090008@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47C1EA07.1090008@ericsson.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org, "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Suresh, Suresh Krishnan wrote: >> just some quick comments on your new ID: >> >> * first of all the obvious: this is not exactly hitting the basic = >> problems identified in the Vancouver meeting. So the question would = >> be, why do you propose to proceed otherwise? > = > This document is just an attempt to have a high level view of the = > problem space. This document has no official standing at all (nor will = > it ever). It will be used to gauge interest in what problems people are = > interested in solving right now. = ... Fine, we can continue discussions in Philadelphia. > = >> >> * second I'm thinking about the ID itself: Mobile multicast always = >> faces the problems of two complex worlds, mobility & multicast. Very = >> easily one is tempted to come up with a neat solution, which then = >> turns out to be in conflict with either one of the two paradigms. In = >> cutting the problem space short, there is significant danger of = >> turning away from those problems, which are hidden but harmful. > = > Agree. But do you see anything in the draft that suggests doing so? > = It sort of cuts the problems short ... it could give the impression that = one could escape from the context. That was my concern. >> >> Some more details: > = > This draft was not designed to be a detailed problem statement. I would = > like the other problem statement drafts to cover the details. Other than = > the details, do you agree that the problems listed in this document = > cover the problem space? > Well, it misses at first the very fundamental problem of seamless, = time-constrained handover for mobile nodes ;) >> Elsewise: What are the plans for Philadelphia? We might find the time = >> to write down some solution draft from the pipe ... at least we can = >> contribute in a meeting: any specific plans? > = > Jari has offered us a room to meet in Philly. I would really love to see = > some solution drafts. Fine. Let's see what can be done. At least we should start working on = solutions ... Jari is right in the sense that we must start to get them = done. Best wishes, thomas -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 03:27:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00CD3A6C9F; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41-xRnc-S4DB; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43D23A6A16; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C47D3A6A40 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6SI6zDJW1oj2 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:0:8801:203:47ff:fedf:73cc]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFF03A6CC2 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (n128-88.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.128.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1PBHjdY007160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:17:46 +0900 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:28:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20080225.202809.48529085.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: jari.arkko@piuha.net From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com, multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org > still interested in this problem, you start working on solutions. Some > potential topics include tweaking MLD parameter recommendations for > wireless links and building new protocol machinery for home agents to > "aggregate" multicast traffic sent to mobile nodes. Sorry, maybe it's my misreading. Jari showed independent topics, which are "MLD related issue" and "multicast traffic aggregation via HA", I guess. I'm currently working on the former topic. -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 04:52:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4319328C76E; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YoU4r6NB7nO; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BCF28C4F9; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:46:52 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4E28C41B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:46:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jIeka-N0T+Cm for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2CB28C56E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6CF198D70; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:46:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2A019880F; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:46:32 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47C2B8A8.8060406@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:46:32 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> <20080225.202809.48529085.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: <20080225.202809.48529085.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org I have tentatively allocated you the IESG breakout room for Wed 13:00 - 15:00 (location tbd). The goal of giving you a room would be to allow the document authors and other key participants to work together towards updated documents, improved common understanding of what you want to do etc. This is not intended as a BOF or Bar-BOF replacement. Jari _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 08:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DA728C682; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.363 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOL3vZ3Ig4M4; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E9328C778; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:59:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0357B28C777 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NDCHTpcpf0ZL for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.190]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CA7528C6CD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57591 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2008 15:56:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pdUrskFGcOXxRGx1HdbdYSGfZs+GxyNw3eMYC36clpxPD2sK0M2Ea/v4sFKGh3TFtRxfHf9tT1XGvGntJkG04WkcqTzCk9ms9stJ6DaoR8DmV/2cUsHtzo7p/w/MXZVPcb5flvtl60/a0EzhIr+z2MfxreMqMWCCWfIu3rXJCQY=; X-YMail-OSG: l2fE_vgVM1nbruXfNjvyucx1SKeY2Rp7slxDtjx2Ak4IYfcyXHCpkb9JpJP9T1kHn1YuEZIk.ZAC3eRtBRg4UskCno6naOxeM3JTVeawLnQQTXU- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:56:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Jari Arkko MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1506736493==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============1506736493== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-606899660-1203954984=:57011" --0-606899660-1203954984=:57011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Jari, we appreciate it. Suresh and I will work on the agenda for this meeting. To Multimob folks, please send any requests for a slot to Suresh and me. Kind regards, Behcet ----- Original Message ---- From: Jari Arkko To: multimob@ietf.org Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:46:32 AM Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? I have tentatively allocated you the IESG breakout room for Wed 13:00 - 15:00 (location tbd). The goal of giving you a room would be to allow the document authors and other key participants to work together towards updated documents, improved common understanding of what you want to do etc. This is not intended as a BOF or Bar-BOF replacement. Jari _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --0-606899660-1203954984=:57011 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks Jari, we appreciate it. Suresh and I will work on the agenda for this meeting.

To Multimob folks, please send any requests for a slot to Suresh and me.

Kind regards,

Behcet

----- Original Message ----
From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
To: multimob@ietf.org
Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:46:32 AM
Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward?

I have tentatively allocated you the IESG breakout room for Wed 13:00 -
15:00 (location tbd). The goal of giving you a room would be to allow
the document authors and other key participants to work together towards
updated documents, improved common understanding of what you want to do
etc. This is not intended as a BOF or Bar-BOF replacement.

Jari


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--0-606899660-1203954984=:57011-- --===============1506736493== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============1506736493==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 08:21:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35DD3A6D5F; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:21:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id flRUaWFjcUny; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5573A6D3D; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59013A6D34 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QVsj-2EqSo7K for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D262628C75B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:18:08 -0800 (PST) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178142001.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.142.1] helo=[192.168.178.22]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JTg1i-000Fyy-7I; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:18:02 +0100 Message-ID: <47C2EA36.7000303@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:17:58 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Behcet Sarikaya References: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Behcet & Suresh, we would like to request a slot (even though there is no new draft = out, yet). This will be on "Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers". Best regards, Thomas & Matthias Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Thanks Jari, we appreciate it. Suresh and I will work on the agenda for = > this meeting. > = > To Multimob folks, please send any requests for a slot to Suresh and me. > = > Kind regards, > = > Behcet > = > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jari Arkko > To: multimob@ietf.org > Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:46:32 AM > Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? > = > I have tentatively allocated you the IESG breakout room for Wed 13:00 - > 15:00 (location tbd). The goal of giving you a room would be to allow > the document authors and other key participants to work together towards > updated documents, improved common understanding of what you want to do > etc. This is not intended as a BOF or Bar-BOF replacement. > = > Jari > = > = > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > = > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 26 00:05:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBC83A68FC; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EKymhpqyT75m; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B903A6B31; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CCD3A68FC for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DiPGrs7RrmkW for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0ADA3A68F0 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77692198D7F; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C14F198D66; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:17 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47C3C83D.1070903@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:17 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hitoshi Asaeda References: <47BEF27F.3050402@piuha.net> <20080225.202809.48529085.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: <20080225.202809.48529085.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com, multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hitoshi, > Jari showed independent topics, which are "MLD related issue" and > "multicast traffic aggregation via HA", I guess. > I'm currently working on the former topic. > Good. Jari _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 26 00:09:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD3E3A6BF2; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Q-SqNci8gxg; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B3A3A68D9; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:08:58 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980E83A684F for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:08:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ByTgvn3kfh51 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6673A67F8 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB08198D63; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:08:50 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0065019880F; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:08:49 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47C3C912.9070700@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:08:50 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Behcet Sarikaya References: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org > Thanks Jari, we appreciate it. Suresh and I will work on the agenda > for this meeting. > > To Multimob folks, please send any requests for a slot to Suresh and me. You have a place to work with your co authors and other interested parties on documents, and talk about things. But you have a relatively small room, and the goal should be more about people sitting down to progress draft work, not so much to have a big meeting where people present ideas in WG or BOF like fashion. Jari _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 26 15:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9823A68BE; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.452 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bJTfoGnEp1KB; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E243A6A38; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908D73A6A38 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsnG5bG9tkPZ for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713403A68BE for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i7so2659817tid.25 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zOEfcWok5c66PoQV0FTuXE4zskOzVPYFQLlJONRagRA=; b=oacoNm/rES3Y8UxigWh8Z+f1lUldlUkppVOnRHslHG8jFCdOA5G4majkzk3RNEupgsiHPY0KtDGxmczWNzFOCSXxl6Bx89EVF2VRvTGQmFZ0nQXdWM/zP0H1jzOy8B+0VhvubJ4oWACCADZ4PkqcuDtspSOhAQPfnteGry2mmfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H9ZaIA3UCTezZ8uYHZGQUTtEJpCDs3W9Dy08C6zG8RziSpBLzbhb58vGXdc/w6XOyK1DXcJ0JtgE6/8XQX8MAuwQT7aNClP+Ej7Q6MgpU9F9GUYlvlL1LU6Jh1/hkII/fudYBsNRB4LpJoCZ6aegn46JCEq91HMHUotitY+X8CE= Received: by 10.110.28.2 with SMTP id b2mr4899963tib.40.1204069719105; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.3.13 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d38a3350802261548n55fe9486r9532d17d268e91d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:48:39 +0800 From: "Hui Deng" To: "Jari Arkko" In-Reply-To: <47C3C912.9070700@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <705135.57011.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47C3C912.9070700@piuha.net> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org thanks Jari's arrangement, we also updated the draft below: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-01.txt Many thanks -Hui 2008/2/26 Jari Arkko : > > > Thanks Jari, we appreciate it. Suresh and I will work on the agenda > > for this meeting. > > > > To Multimob folks, please send any requests for a slot to Suresh and me. > You have a place to work with your co authors and other interested > parties on documents, and talk about things. But you have a relatively > small room, and the goal should be more about people sitting down to > progress draft work, not so much to have a big meeting where people > present ideas in WG or BOF like fashion. > > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob