From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 6 09:45:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0912C3A69D5; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DZJjhlAJHsYo; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928C228C5FE; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E3C3A69D5 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ggGIz5P7OJcK for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.193]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 796B83A694E for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8081 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2008 17:44:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HvMETEymtmzjqzVyrp3hcDDdxGI5jW3cqGMfMdcHvxjCy//M8oWaGBaNnkZCuzqQaq4tBRsCfzuoBClHNxycod2rA/M2kEpgp+gjE1Sq/zDuuEaAIu78qSWDVKfV14wq+kRmuiyeyf56DheakwVWKAa3lzpyYQRbKba6NqAAf8g=; X-YMail-OSG: OJG3B2oVM1l5P4UKOtNHkKgPMPTrUE45J4eA.ZpyDCRnBMTxax22Cg4lsxVixpaL_g-- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:44:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <617833.7097.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward? X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2114979925==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============2114979925== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-158472312-1204825496=:7097" --0-158472312-1204825496=:7097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas,=0A Can you please make the draft available before the session? = IETF I-D submissions will reopen on March 10. You may also wish to post it = to Multimob sometime this week.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A----- Origin= al Message ----=0AFrom: Thomas C. Schmidt =0ATo: Behcet Sarikaya =0ACc: multimob@ietf.org=0ASent= : Monday, February 25, 2008 10:17:58 AM=0ASubject: Re: [multimob] moving fo= rward?=0A=0A=0AHi =0ABehcet =0A& =0ASuresh,=0A=0A =0Awe =0Awould =0Alike = =0Ato =0Arequest =0Aa =0Aslot =0A(even =0Athough =0Athere =0Ais =0Ano =0Ane= w =0Adraft =0Aout, =0Ayet).=0AThis =0Awill =0Abe =0Aon =0A"Proxy =0Aarchite= ctures =0Afor =0Amobile =0Amulticast =0Areceivers".=0A=0ABest =0Aregards,= =0A=0AThomas =0A& =0AMatthias=0A=0A=0A=0ABehcet =0ASarikaya =0Awrote:=0A> = =0AThanks =0AJari, =0Awe =0Aappreciate =0Ait. =0ASuresh =0Aand =0AI =0Awill= =0Awork =0Aon =0Athe =0Aagenda =0Afor =0A> =0Athis =0Ameeting.=0A> =0A> = =0ATo =0AMultimob =0Afolks, =0Aplease =0Asend =0Aany =0Arequests =0Afor =0A= a =0Aslot =0Ato =0ASuresh =0Aand =0Ame.=0A> =0A> =0AKind =0Aregards,=0A> = =0A> =0ABehcet=0A> =0A> =0A----- =0AOriginal =0AMessage =0A----=0A> =0AFrom= : =0AJari =0AArkko =0A=0A> =0ATo: =0Amultimob@ietf.or= g=0A> =0ACc: =0Arajeev.koodli@gmail.com=0A> =0ASent: =0AMonday, =0AFebruary= =0A25, =0A2008 =0A6:46:32 =0AAM=0A> =0ASubject: =0ARe: =0A[multimob] =0Amo= ving =0Aforward?=0A> =0A> =0AI =0Ahave =0Atentatively =0Aallocated =0Ayou = =0Athe =0AIESG =0Abreakout =0Aroom =0Afor =0AWed =0A13:00 =0A-=0A> =0A15:00= =0A(location =0Atbd). =0AThe =0Agoal =0Aof =0Agiving =0Ayou =0Aa =0Aroom = =0Awould =0Abe =0Ato =0Aallow=0A> =0Athe =0Adocument =0Aauthors =0Aand =0Ao= ther =0Akey =0Aparticipants =0Ato =0Awork =0Atogether =0Atowards=0A> =0Aupd= ated =0Adocuments, =0Aimproved =0Acommon =0Aunderstanding =0Aof =0Awhat =0A= you =0Awant =0Ato =0Ado=0A> =0Aetc. =0AThis =0Ais =0Anot =0Aintended =0Aas = =0Aa =0ABOF =0Aor =0ABar-BOF =0Areplacement.=0A> =0A> =0AJari=0A> =0A> =0A>= =0A_______________________________________________=0A> =0Amultimob =0Amail= ing =0Alist=0A> =0Amultimob@ietf.org =0A=0A> =0Ah= ttp://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A-------------= -----------------------------------------------------------=0A> =0A> =0A___= ____________________________________________=0A> =0Amultimob =0Amailing =0A= list=0A> =0Amultimob@ietf.org=0A> =0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/m= ultimob=0A=0A-- =0A=0A=B0 =0AProf. =0ADr. =0AThomas =0AC. =0ASchmidt=0A=B0 = =0AHAW =0AHamburg, =0ADept. =0AInformatik=0A=B0 =0AUniversity =0Aof =0AAppl= ied =0ASciences=0A=B0 =0ABerliner =0ATor =0A7, =0AD =0A20099 =0AHamburg=0A= =B0 =0AGermany, =0AFon: =0A+49-40-42875-8157=0A=B0 =0Ahttp://www.informatik= .haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-158472312-1204825496=:7097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,
  Can you please make the draft ava= ilable before the session? IETF I-D submissions will reopen on March 10. Yo= u may also wish to post it to Multimob sometime this week.

Regards,<= br>
Behcet

----- Original Message ----
From: Thomas C.= Schmidt <schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de>
To: Behcet Sarikaya &= lt;sarikaya@ieee.org>
Cc: multimob@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, February= 25, 2008 10:17:58 AM
Subject: Re: [multimob] moving forward?

=0A= Hi =0ABehcet =0A& =0ASuresh,

  =0Awe =0Awould =0Alike =0Ato= =0Arequest =0Aa =0Aslot =0A(even =0Athough =0Athere =0Ais =0Ano =0Anew =0A= draft
out, =0Ayet).
This =0Awill =0Abe =0Aon =0A"Proxy =0Aarchitectu= res =0Afor =0Amobile =0Amulticast =0Areceivers".

Best =0Aregards,
Thomas =0A& =0AMatthias



Behcet =0ASarikaya =0Awrote= :
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>
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> =0ABehcet
>
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--0-158472312-1204825496=:7097-- --===============2114979925== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============2114979925==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 8 22:09:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6E3A6EBB; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.365 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.365 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.928, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ETrHWabooiJm; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B173A6DF1; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAE63A6DFF for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aBifVf1Q537Z for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr2.ericy.com (imr2.ericy.com [198.24.6.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9903A6DF1 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m29671NX019941; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:07:01 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.51]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:07:01 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:07:01 -0600 Message-ID: <47D37E88.80905@ericsson.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:07:04 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2008 06:07:01.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA47C130:01C881AB] Subject: [multimob] Outline for multimob session X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Folks, Here is the brief outline of the items we would like to discuss at the multimob breakout session in Philly. If you thing something is missing or that something should be removed, please send a mail to the list with your suggestions. Multimob session (2 hrs) Wednesday 13:00-15:00 Location TBD High level problem discussion ============================= http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion 15 minutes (The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed problem statement Drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt ) Discussion of solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft) Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt Frank Xia to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-01.txt Hui Deng to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt Suresh Krishnan to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Way forward with the solutions Everyone 30 minutes Thanks Suresh _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 07:42:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060B928C27B; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.453, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWW-6bhtwI9V; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B96A28C177; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3305F3A6B06 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:42:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hN5s1V0c-3Pe for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6A93A6C60 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from c-76-117-2-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([76.117.2.209] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JYMf2-0002Em-7q; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:38:00 +0100 Message-ID: <47D3F638.5040405@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:37:44 +0000 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <47D37E88.80905@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47D37E88.80905@ericsson.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Outline for multimob session X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Suresh et all, just a brief correction: the current version of "Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey" is version 3, which is a major update of version 2. Please see: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt See you soon, thomas Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Folks, > Here is the brief outline of the items we would like to discuss at = > the multimob breakout session in Philly. If you thing something is = > missing or that something should be removed, please send a mail to the = > list with your suggestions. > = > Multimob session (2 hrs) > Wednesday 13:00-15:00 > Location TBD > = > High level problem discussion > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > = > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt > Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > (The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed = > problem statement Drafts: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticas= t-00.txt > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-= req-00.txt > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt > ) > = > Discussion of solution drafts: > = > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt > Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft) > Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt > Frank Xia to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-op= t-01.txt > Hui Deng to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobili= ty-extensions-00.txt > Suresh Krishnan to facilitate discussion > 15 minutes > = > Way forward with the solutions > Everyone > 30 minutes > = > Thanks > Suresh > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 9 13:38:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45F128C192; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.819 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.819 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.618, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xSFukgIjFAh; 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Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:35:59 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47D44A2F.8040206@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:35:59 -0400 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14ubu (X11/20080306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <47D37E88.80905@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47D37E88.80905@ericsson.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Outline for multimob session X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org > Wednesday 13:00-15:00 > Location TBD *Room 414 (setup for max 20) Jari * _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 12 06:31:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2506328C6CA; 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boundary="===============0209104886==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============0209104886== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-674968503-1205328527=:72918" --0-674968503-1205328527=:72918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Multimob session will be held on Thursday at 1pm until 3pm in the room 414. The goal of this meeting to progress the drafts. Please read all the drafts and provide feedback on each so that the authors can start working on the next revision. We are going to follow the format posted before which is given below. Gerhart Hassling, please identify yourself to Suresh or myself immediately. Regards, Behcet & Suresh Multimob session (2 hrs) Thursday 13:00-15:00 Location 414 High level problem discussion ============================= http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion 15 minutes (The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed problem statement Drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt ) Discussion of solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft) Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt Frank Xia to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-01.txt Hui Deng to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt Suresh Krishnan to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Way forward with the solutions Everyone 30 minutes --0-674968503-1205328527=:72918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi all,
  Multimob session will be held on Thursday at 1pm until 3pm in the room 414. The goal of this meeting to progress the drafts. Please read all the drafts and provide feedback on each so that the authors can start working on the next revision.

  We are going to follow the format posted before which is given below.
Gerhart Hassling, please identify yourself to Suresh or myself immediately.

Regards,

Behcet & Suresh



Multimob session (2 hrs)
Thursday 13:00-15:00
Location 414

High level problem discussion
=============================

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt
Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

(The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed
problem statement Drafts:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt
)

Discussion of solution drafts:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt
Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft)
Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt
Frank Xia to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-01.txt
Hui Deng to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
Suresh Krishnan to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

Way forward with the solutions
Everyone
30 minutes

--0-674968503-1205328527=:72918-- --===============0209104886== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============0209104886==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 12 22:00:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6207F28C263; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppH9WjP8oOIY; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2CC3A6AD4; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B053A6C15 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8XHgoUWVxgT for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6A93A6AD4 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k40so4020457wah.25 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=5XGhcqj/AGMyz4vOZR55MX+Qfx4KDM+PdcjFMroYNYM=; b=hk6EtGH5yXnloYikFIJQNgQ98QwSxIoq8t5UwzKZYfbqTqLQfWfORrZG0XfkkvoD9JqBIixQcj/9QXfUYsoPCpMc/x3PQUj+tyMCN95GtH+5Q5C5TG+2sH3Didvri168yaYzPsQkPpjUCQu7UBhlgoj1EEbEKniewmtnBXbE6zM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=DZ31Mnr2PeE3knUf3Jx6GIj65qkScg0xWVawfMcLS7KntpGtlQMCXlpA51IlZWZ0F7ZQeERQyv4baBOs6BIVy+JL+o9TFEzcO4ksRvLVbvkksZnU0+aN1LIz0qkD4e0cyXPan5e3MlU7UeGQIdW3+2B15VUDPKUiaHYZp2uY9MA= Received: by 10.115.77.1 with SMTP id e1mr8491001wal.103.1205384298868; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imtlbjhan ( [203.252.62.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm25718283waa.52.2008.03.12.21.58.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Byung-Jin Han" To: "'Behcet Sarikaya'" References: <69603.72918.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <69603.72918.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:58:07 +0900 Message-ID: <001a01c884c6$d55fde40$801f9ac0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AciERVCajh8FmpFYRN2Ib62eW4RVdgAf79ZQ Content-Language: ko Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] New schedule X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0970406633==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org 여러 부분으로 구성된 MIME 형식의 메시지입니다. --===============0970406633== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C88512.45478640" Content-Language: ko 여러 부분으로 구성된 MIME 형식의 메시지입니다. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C88512.45478640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Behcet Here is typo http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt V http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt I used to think Thomas was submitting new version. Regards, Byung-Jin Han +=========================================================+ Byung-Jin Han (LABON) Graduate Student in Internet Management Technology Lab., Electrical and Computer Engineering, Sungkyunkwan Univ. Cell : +82-10-8638-3659 E-Mail : labon58@gmail.com, bjhan@imtl.skku.ac.kr, labon58@naver.com +=========================================================+ ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C88512.45478640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Behcet

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Regards,

Byung-Jin Han

 

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But, your link on thomas's draft is wrong. It is linked previous version draft. I clicked that link and found out the version is 02. I wish my foolish behavior make you smile. Regards Byung-Jin Han From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:29 PM To: multimob@ietf.org Subject: [multimob] New schedule Hi all, Multimob session will be held on Thursday at 1pm until 3pm in the room 414. The goal of this meeting to progress the drafts. Please read all the drafts and provide feedback on each so that the authors can start working on the next revision. We are going to follow the format posted before which is given below. Gerhart Hassling, please identify yourself to Suresh or myself immediately. Regards, Behcet & Suresh Multimob session (2 hrs) Thursday 13:00-15:00 Location 414 High level problem discussion ============================= http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps-00.txt Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion 15 minutes (The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed problem statement Drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-0 0.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req -00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-03.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt ) Discussion of solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft) Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt Frank Xia to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-0 1.txt Hui Deng to facilitate discussion 15 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility- extensions-00.txt Suresh Krishnan to facilitate discussion 15 minutes Way forward with the solutions Everyone 30 minutes ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C88514.13C88E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Behcet

 

Oops

I don’t check the new version of thomas’s = paper.

 

But, your link on thomas’s draft is wrong. It is = linked previous version draft.

I clicked that link and found out the version is = 02…

 

I wish my foolish behavior make you = smile.

 

Regards

Byung-Jin Han

 

From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet = Sarikaya
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:29 PM
To: multimob@ietf.org
Subject: [multimob] New schedule

 

Hi all,
  Multimob session will be held on Thursday at 1pm until 3pm in the = room 414. The goal of this meeting to progress the drafts. Please read all = the drafts and provide feedback on each so that the authors can start = working on the next revision.

  We are going to follow the format posted before which is given = below.
Gerhart Hassling, please identify yourself to Suresh or myself = immediately.

Regards,

Behcet & Suresh



Multimob session (2 hrs)
Thursday 13:00-15:00
Location 414

High level problem discussion
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-mul= timob-ps-00.txt
Behcet Sarikaya to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

(The above draft discusses high level problems based on the detailed =
problem statement Drafts:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimo= b-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob= -igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-p= s-03.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multim= ob-memcast-ps-01.txt
)

Discussion of solution drafts:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-mul= timob-agents-01.txt
Gerhard Hasslinger to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (No draft)
Thomas Schmidt to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob= -hybrid-00.txt
Frank Xia to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimo= b-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-01.txt
Hui Deng to facilitate discussion
15 minutes

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multi= mob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
Suresh Krishnan to facilitate = discussion
15 minutes

Way forward with the solutions
Everyone
30 minutes

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C88514.13C88E50-- --===============0919180752== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============0919180752==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 20 16:20:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D507E3A6DB3; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.803, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-dEZnG+xJ56; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844E3A68ED; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6E33A68ED for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P99pD0lFechQ for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B31D3A68D4 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2KNIG9g031736; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:18:16 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.51]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:18:16 -0500 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <47E2F0D1.1070309@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:18:41 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040805060406030408000704" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2008 23:18:15.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACDAFFC0:01C88AE0] Cc: Behcet Sarikaya Subject: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040805060406030408000704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, Here is the summary from the multimob session we had at IETF71. I was too involved in the discussions to take very good notes but I think the essence of the discussions is covered. Cheers Suresh --------------040805060406030408000704 Content-Type: text/plain; name="multimob.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="multimob.txt" Behcet presented his overview slides about draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps Marshall Eubanks mentioned that light weight MLD may or may not be standardized or implemented. We should not base multimob work on the assumption that it will be there Dave Thaler mentions his presentation about source mobility in multcast Frank Xia about draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00 Dave points out you can already subscribe to a multicast stream without using MIPv6 and the application on the MN will choose. Dave wants to know who makes the choice about taking the direct or the home tunneled path. The stack on the MN or the Application? Frank mentions that when the application joins the multicast group on the home interface the stack can switch to the local interface. Bharat wants to know how the MN knows that the multicast service is available locally Bill Atwood talks about charging on the AR (for local streams) being different from that on the home network. He thinks that the decision for this should be in the hands of the end user Dave agrees and wants to have the costs predictable. Dave wants to define optimality (what we are trying to optimize) Bill has issues with picking paths without user involvement Christophe Janneteau wants the user involved but not necessarily the application Frank Xia about FMIP multicast draft Dave wants to quantify the advantages, since the propogation from the NAR to the common point might be pretty close. He also wants to know about the tunnel management interference between unicast and multicast tunnels. Thomas presented his slides about Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (no draft) Dave wants to see a topology Frank asks about whether the PAR or NAR must be the proxy agent in case of FMIP Suresh mentions define "what"(the functionality) but not "where"(physical node) Dave wants a definition of proxy agent Bill wants to stress that the functionality is colocated but not inside. Dave thinks that the proxy definition still not clear. Suresh wondering if this proxy is an unicast/mcast proxy? Thomas thinks feeding mcast to proxy is not our(multimob's)job Dave mentions the proxy is useful only for unicast-multicast and multicast-unicast topologies but not for native multicast topologies Dave does not think protocol extensions are required and he thinks that the switching per client basis not per mc group basis Thomas wants to build a toolbox for future work --------------040805060406030408000704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --------------040805060406030408000704-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 22 04:10:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A5E3A6C2D; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.064 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.064 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXPIOq4syqKJ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971FC3A6B86; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A813A6AE6 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5bprx0r+Kvs1 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1063A6B42 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178189006.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.189.6] helo=[192.168.178.21]) by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Jd1aE-0008xa-5Y; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:08:18 +0100 Message-ID: <47E4E891.2050105@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:08:01 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <47E2F0D1.1070309@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47E2F0D1.1070309@ericsson.com> Cc: Behcet Sarikaya , multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Suresh, thanks for the minutes, here a couple supplements to fill the gaps (marked with "====>": Happy Easter thomas -------------------------------------- snip ---------------------------- Behcet presented his overview slides about draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps Marshall Eubanks mentioned that light weight MLD may or may not be standardized or implemented. We should not base multimob work on the assumption that it will be there ====> Thomas points out that light weight MLD actually does not address primary multicast issues such as leave latency, but that explicit tracking does. Explicit tracking is foreseen as an option in MLDv2. Dave Thaler mentions his presentation about source mobility in multcast ====> Thomas refers to the problem statement (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps), where this is included as reference 68. Frank Xia about draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00 Dave points out you can already subscribe to a multicast stream without using MIPv6 and the application on the MN will choose. Dave wants to know who makes the choice about taking the direct or the home tunneled path. The stack on the MN or the Application? Frank mentions that when the application joins the multicast group on the home interface the stack can switch to the local interface. Bharat wants to know how the MN knows that the multicast service is available locally Bill Atwood talks about charging on the AR (for local streams) being different from that on the home network. He thinks that the decision for this should be in the hands of the end user ====> Bill points out the potential problem that multiple reception of the same stream may lead to multiple charging of the end user. Dave agrees and wants to have the costs predictable. ====> Bill and Dave raise the question about where - in a mobile environment - the point of authentication is expected to reside. Dave wants to define optimality (what we are trying to optimize) Bill has issues with picking paths without user involvement Christophe Janneteau wants the user involved but not necessarily the application Frank Xia about FMIP multicast draft Dave wants to quantify the advantages, since the propogation from the NAR to the common point might be pretty close. He also wants to know about the tunnel management interference between unicast and multicast tunnels. Thomas presented his slides about Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (no draft) Dave wants to see a topology Frank asks about whether the PAR or NAR must be the proxy agent in case of FMIP Suresh mentions define "what"(the functionality) but not "where"(physical node) Dave wants a definition of proxy agent Bill wants to stress that the functionality is colocated but not inside. Dave thinks that the proxy definition still not clear. ====> Thomas characterizes the proxy definition as a stable, not moving box located in the "vicinity" of the wireless environment / mobile receiver. ====> Dave proposes the terminological distinction "Gateway" versus "Relay". Suresh wondering if this proxy is an unicast/mcast proxy? Thomas thinks feeding mcast to proxy is not our(multimob's)job Dave mentions the proxy is useful only for unicast-multicast and multicast-unicast topologies but not for native multicast topologies ====> Dave states that a mobility anchor point (such as an HMIPv6 MAP) is automatically located on the path from listener to source, i.e., is an on-tree router. Dave does not think protocol extensions are required and he thinks that the switching per client basis not per mc group basis ====> Thomas points out that different multicast streams (per group) may be subject to different QoS or cost conditions. A per stream switching may thus be desirable. ====> Christophe agrees. ====> Thomas points out that an important multicast proxy function may be a pro-active/on-hold subscription (without traffic forwarding). While operators configure such "listener proxies" manually today, an automated management will required protocol implementation, e.g., as an MLD extension. Thomas wants to build a toolbox for future work ====> to prevent basic mechanisms from being re-invented over and over again. Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Folks, > Here is the summary from the multimob session we had at IETF71. I was > too involved in the discussions to take very good notes but I think the > essence of the discussions is covered. > > Cheers > Suresh > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 24 08:51:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C805928C2F9; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.914, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bU4SoMjpggCM; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3A628C377; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B47728C3BE for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-jVVQDKxZfz for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.74.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AFF5228C35C for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12061 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2008 15:48:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=A8ZBB5MuVAnqsDZj+jJkB4WklHl9CFKOa6Q57GQ2A+xS96bPF6oGFN8bcLApVm+U3IGMLxFW27O8NDIfMkJBTpZNNbRGSkm//Jbp61HISYQzk/GKixlv6l+LeAMkbTx+fxqU37QIjhVIJ7Z7ChH5Wsv31LgLkwqQUvCsV4YaX78=; X-YMail-OSG: JCP2a3QVM1mVn8Eor1fzEn4ZBuhLrCgH48B2LU6UCZ9jHQPcTI7e4KGVuosmvfpSfex9b7uI6C2_jikNLAm6lhowpRQna7R6iVFbO4MCWBDT40cUtLs- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:48:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.162 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <623942.11346.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0448477438==" Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============0448477438== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1573347459-1206373729=:11346" --0-1573347459-1206373729=:11346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thomas we are looking forward to reading your draft and then let's discuss it on the list. Regards, Behcet ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas C. Schmidt To: Suresh Krishnan Cc: Behcet Sarikaya ; multimob@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:08:01 AM Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 Hi Suresh, thanks for the minutes, here a couple supplements to fill the gaps (marked with "====>": Happy Easter thomas -------------------------------------- snip ---------------------------- Behcet presented his overview slides about draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps Marshall Eubanks mentioned that light weight MLD may or may not be standardized or implemented. We should not base multimob work on the assumption that it will be there ====> Thomas points out that light weight MLD actually does not address primary multicast issues such as leave latency, but that explicit tracking does. Explicit tracking is foreseen as an option in MLDv2. Dave Thaler mentions his presentation about source mobility in multcast ====> Thomas refers to the problem statement (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps), where this is included as reference 68. Frank Xia about draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00 Dave points out you can already subscribe to a multicast stream without using MIPv6 and the application on the MN will choose. Dave wants to know who makes the choice about taking the direct or the home tunneled path. The stack on the MN or the Application? Frank mentions that when the application joins the multicast group on the home interface the stack can switch to the local interface. Bharat wants to know how the MN knows that the multicast service is available locally Bill Atwood talks about charging on the AR (for local streams) being different from that on the home network. He thinks that the decision for this should be in the hands of the end user ====> Bill points out the potential problem that multiple reception of the same stream may lead to multiple charging of the end user. Dave agrees and wants to have the costs predictable. ====> Bill and Dave raise the question about where - in a mobile environment - the point of authentication is expected to reside. Dave wants to define optimality (what we are trying to optimize) Bill has issues with picking paths without user involvement Christophe Janneteau wants the user involved but not necessarily the application Frank Xia about FMIP multicast draft Dave wants to quantify the advantages, since the propogation from the NAR to the common point might be pretty close. He also wants to know about the tunnel management interference between unicast and multicast tunnels. Thomas presented his slides about Proxy architectures for mobile multicast receivers (no draft) Dave wants to see a topology Frank asks about whether the PAR or NAR must be the proxy agent in case of FMIP Suresh mentions define "what"(the functionality) but not "where"(physical node) Dave wants a definition of proxy agent Bill wants to stress that the functionality is colocated but not inside. Dave thinks that the proxy definition still not clear. ====> Thomas characterizes the proxy definition as a stable, not moving box located in the "vicinity" of the wireless environment / mobile receiver. ====> Dave proposes the terminological distinction "Gateway" versus "Relay". Suresh wondering if this proxy is an unicast/mcast proxy? Thomas thinks feeding mcast to proxy is not our(multimob's)job Dave mentions the proxy is useful only for unicast-multicast and multicast-unicast topologies but not for native multicast topologies ====> Dave states that a mobility anchor point (such as an HMIPv6 MAP) is automatically located on the path from listener to source, i.e., is an on-tree router. Dave does not think protocol extensions are required and he thinks that the switching per client basis not per mc group basis ====> Thomas points out that different multicast streams (per group) may be subject to different QoS or cost conditions. A per stream switching may thus be desirable. ====> Christophe agrees. ====> Thomas points out that an important multicast proxy function may be a pro-active/on-hold subscription (without traffic forwarding). While operators configure such "listener proxies" manually today, an automated management will required protocol implementation, e.g., as an MLD extension. Thomas wants to build a toolbox for future work ====> to prevent basic mechanisms from being re-invented over and over again. --0-1573347459-1206373729=:11346 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thomas we are looking forward to reading your draft and then let's discuss it on the list.

Regards,

Behcet

----- Original Message ----
From: Thomas C. Schmidt <schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de>
To: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>
Cc: Behcet Sarikaya <bsarikaya@huawei.com>; multimob@ietf.org
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:08:01 AM
Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71

Hi Suresh,

thanks for the minutes, here a couple supplements to fill the gaps
(marked with "====>":

Happy Easter

thomas
-------------------------------------- snip ----------------------------

Behcet presented his overview slides about draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps

Marshall Eubanks mentioned that light weight MLD may or may not be
standardized or implemented. We should not base multimob work on the
assumption that it will be there

====> Thomas points out that light weight MLD actually does not address
primary multicast issues such as leave latency, but that explicit
tracking does. Explicit tracking is foreseen as an option in MLDv2.

Dave Thaler mentions his presentation about source mobility in multcast

====> Thomas refers to the problem statement
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps), where this
is included as reference 68.

Frank Xia about draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00

Dave points out you can already subscribe to a multicast stream without
using MIPv6 and the application on the MN will choose.

Dave wants to know who makes the choice about taking the direct or the
home tunneled path. The stack on the MN or the Application?

Frank mentions that when the application joins the multicast group on
the home interface the stack can switch to the local interface.

Bharat wants to know how the MN knows that the multicast service is
available locally

Bill Atwood talks about charging on the AR (for local streams) being
different from that on the home network. He thinks that the decision for
this should be in the hands of the end user

====> Bill points out the potential problem that multiple reception of
the same stream may lead to multiple charging of the end user.

Dave agrees and  wants to have the costs predictable.

====> Bill and Dave raise the question about where - in a mobile
environment - the point of authentication is expected to reside.

Dave wants to define optimality (what we are trying to optimize)

Bill has issues with picking paths without user involvement

Christophe Janneteau wants the user involved but not necessarily the
application



Frank Xia about FMIP multicast draft

Dave wants to quantify the advantages, since the propogation from the
NAR to the common point might be pretty close.

He also wants to know about the tunnel management interference between
unicast and multicast tunnels.

Thomas presented his slides about Proxy architectures for mobile
multicast receivers (no draft)

Dave wants to see a topology

Frank asks about whether the PAR or NAR must be the proxy agent in case
of FMIP

Suresh mentions define "what"(the functionality) but not
"where"(physical node)

Dave wants a definition of proxy agent

Bill wants to stress that the functionality is colocated but not inside.

Dave thinks that the proxy definition still not clear.

====> Thomas characterizes the proxy definition as a stable, not moving
box located in the "vicinity" of the wireless environment / mobile receiver.

====> Dave proposes the terminological distinction "Gateway" versus "Relay".

Suresh wondering if this proxy is an unicast/mcast proxy?

Thomas thinks feeding mcast to proxy is not our(multimob's)job

Dave mentions the proxy is useful only for unicast-multicast and
multicast-unicast topologies but not for native multicast topologies

====> Dave states that a mobility anchor point (such as an HMIPv6 MAP)
is automatically located on the path from listener to source, i.e., is
an on-tree router.

Dave does not think protocol extensions are required and he thinks that
the switching per client basis not per mc group basis

====> Thomas points out that different multicast streams (per group) may
  be subject to different QoS or cost conditions. A per stream
switching may thus be desirable.

====> Christophe agrees.


====> Thomas points out that an important multicast proxy function  may
be a pro-active/on-hold subscription (without traffic forwarding). While
operators configure such "listener proxies" manually today, an automated
management will required protocol implementation, e.g., as an MLD
extension.

Thomas wants to build a toolbox for future work
====> to prevent basic mechanisms from being re-invented over and over
again.

<END OF MEETING, OUT OF TIME>

--0-1573347459-1206373729=:11346-- --===============0448477438== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============0448477438==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 26 20:32:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D1F3A68F3; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.158 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.158 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.721, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cB++1Aw10IW2; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A7F3A6AAC; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212F83A6AAC for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r9SfLobbFoco for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:0:8801:203:47ff:fedf:73cc]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BA33A6AB1 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (wifi-139-236.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.139.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2R3DxEr011149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:14:22 +0900 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:27:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20080327.122746.11606627.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: sarikaya@ieee.org, behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <623942.11346.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <623942.11346.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > Behcet presented his overview slides about draft-sarikaya-multimob-ps > > Marshall Eubanks mentioned that light weight MLD may or may not be > standardized or implemented. We should not base multimob work on the > assumption that it will be there Right. The direction has not fixed, while the LW-MLDv2 spec might become an experimental RFC. > ====> Thomas points out that light weight MLD actually does not address > primary multicast issues such as leave latency, but that explicit > tracking does. Explicit tracking is foreseen as an option in MLDv2. LW-MLDv2 does not aim to minimize join/leave latency. The main aim of this protocol is to reduce the protocol and implementation complexities by eliminating (usually) unneeded functions. > ====> Thomas points out that an important multicast proxy function may > be a pro-active/on-hold subscription (without traffic forwarding). While > operators configure such "listener proxies" manually today, an automated > management will required protocol implementation, e.g., as an MLD > extension. Thomas, could you explain more about what this comment means? Thanks, -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 27 04:17:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-multimob-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4B63A6FCB; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.645 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.645 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.604, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYD+9VDDqn0y; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E621428C8C2; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F011F3A6FCB for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21EicricRpeD for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690BB3A6FD7 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from [141.22.26.203] by mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Jeq4X-000Bcp-NN; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:15:05 +0100 Message-ID: <47EB81BB.4040801@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:15:07 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hitoshi Asaeda References: <623942.11346.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20080327.122746.11606627.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: <20080327.122746.11606627.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Summary from multimob session @ IETF71 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi Hitoshi, Hitoshi Asaeda wrote: > = >> =3D=3D=3D=3D> Thomas points out that light weight MLD actually does not = address = >> primary multicast issues such as leave latency, but that explicit = >> tracking does. Explicit tracking is foreseen as an option in MLDv2. > = > LW-MLDv2 does not aim to minimize join/leave latency. The main aim of > this protocol is to reduce the protocol and implementation > complexities by eliminating (usually) unneeded functions. > = Yes, this we tried to clarify ... as you weren't there and the = discussion somehow brought up the wrong context. >> =3D=3D=3D=3D> Thomas points out that an important multicast proxy functi= on may = >> be a pro-active/on-hold subscription (without traffic forwarding). While = >> operators configure such "listener proxies" manually today, an automated = >> management will required protocol implementation, e.g., as an MLD = >> extension. > = > Thomas, could you explain more about what this comment means? > = This is mechanism is a (subscription-) proxy function used at relays = already today. A multicast relay maintains a group subscription without = forwarding traffic, e.g., down a wireless link to assist a fast = forwarding in case a listener for that group arrives on the link / in = the domain. This mechanism is described in the section "5.2.4 MLD Extensions" of the = problem statement http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps and a protocol realization in the form of an MLD extension is given in = section "4.5 Router attendance control in MLD" of the M-HMIPv6 draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 Could I make things clearer, now? Best regards, thomas -- = =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob