From root@core3.amsl.com Wed Sep 9 12:30:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@ietf.org Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7EB7E3A6812; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090909193001.7EB7E3A6812@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:37:39 -0700 Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: [multimob] WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:30:01 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Internet Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Mobility Multicast (multimob) --------------------------------------------------- Current Status: Active Working Group Chairs: Stig Venaas Bechet Sarikaya < sarikaya@ieee.org> Internet Area Directors: Jari Arkko Ralph Droms Internet Area Advisor: Jari Arkko Mailing Lists: General Discussion: multimob@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/multimob/current/maillist.html Description of Working Group: The Multicast mobility (multimob) working group provides guidance for supporting multicast in a mobile environment. The scope of work will be limited to Proxy Mobile IPv6, IGMPv3/MLDv2 protocols and listener mobility. Work requiring modifications to mobility protocols and IGMPv3/MLDv2 is out of scope in this first stage of this working group. Modifications to multicast routing protocols are out of scope. Specific goals for the group are: - Document how multicast can be supported in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 environment - Document the configuration of IGMPv3/MLDv2 in mobile environments The Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification as defined in RFC 5213 does not describe how to support multicast. Some forms of multicast support can, however, be built in the involved nodes by using existing capabilities of multicast protocols and the underlying mobility protocols. The first task of the working group is to document such solutions for PMIPv6. This work will not require any additions or changes to message types and parameters specified in RFC 5213, and must assume an unmodified mobile host. The work will employ the remote subscription model. This is a mechanism by which a mobile node joins a multicast group and receives multicast data forwarded via the local mobility anchor. IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with shared links. Mobile nodes have needs that are specific to wireless networks and mobility (e.g. entering a dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimizing the latency for joining and leaving a group in support of movement). The second task of the WG is to assess existing solutions for group management, and determine to what extent these methods are sufficient in a mobile environment. This will include recommending appropriate selection of timer values and protocol parameters. In performing its work, the working group will work closely with both the mobility community (NETLMM and NETEXT WGs) and the multicast community (MBONED WG). The group will consider both source specific multicast and any source multicast multicast models. Future work, subject to rechartering, may study/evaluate extensions to support PMIPv6 optimizations to address the avalanche problem and fast handover and extensions to IGMPv3/MLDv2 to support better operation in mobile environments. Goals and Milestones: Nov 2009 Initial version of a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6 Nov 2009 Initial version of a document on how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for mobility Apr 2010 Submit a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6, for publication as either Informational or Best Current Practice Apr 2010 Submit a document on how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for mobility, for publication as either Informational or Best Current Practice Jun 2010 Decision to include additional optimization work involving extensions to PMIPv6 Jun 2010 Decision to include additional optimization work involving extensions to IGMPv3 or MLDv2 Jun 2010 Recharter based on the above decisions (or close the group if no new work is needed) From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 13:55:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C2028C191 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.165, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sMA2FmgNpsNP for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.222]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BCFA28C185 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 96281 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2009 20:55:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252529734; bh=PYD+SM7Epc4T13FDBRSdh6EZY03TcUoSLGjx7KGUs5Q=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FQrKc1BTdJ3oRAUETumwCliK+y7EVeDYQqVmAS4WB7D7ekbWHNynT0131j8u9v4vA8g4xrzqo56/m8xUdtXZKIKvISnebaclmImBi1BdZ6ywW+krFzIbiVnokUpsVn5/X4q7xlWcRYU5aI/bgQf3kKJcnczgJbzIs2CDtkVuR38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bqTLrhfLSznpNC7fWEoBYwcFJmKsJRz1xCZ/1BlkGrxmwMb4g0UqT1PfNf32q5koQnUfXoPQnIuyw3s7ARLLtKcSHk7UjYi1kbKjQAExI4a1Q9dXqR88HOXDjrgOTOdOvOua9FCoJlCF1Qe4psWIkD1ZzePHZ5b0oUStPnTeBTU=; Message-ID: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: U5nuJswVM1lzIbjLF4GZzIzhxEzji3wuOa1BuBgBRUOmgy99OKHP.UEV4y1BNRLhumb8h6XM1b6737fH_9NpikRsn1x.r4NGD5PfB5XhjIJti5_Y6fPbcMRzNUJBucV9N9RC305C9hJqypxQn42XCEgFLkzzBhqpPR19yyxm_tOIiEsU1dJBhaIUEHCUjOglSjiX_.eviHoMaZm7hPzhNgifnjGgD5dD5iPIWgj1UnxtBsWtuMG0RNHy7BxpyguiSFT5j6qtlW_dF.afCCVYxUyH24xZqnXTFlGcpaNYwg7M6q94IB.7TT9FZywo7tISsGHD Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:55:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:55:04 -0000 Hello all, We look forward to working with Multimob folks. Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs Suresh Krishnan Brian Haberman and Gorry Fairhurst for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. Regards, Stig & Behcet ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: IESG Secretary > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org > Cc: stig@venaas.com; sarikaya@ieee.org; multimob@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:30:01 PM > Subject: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) > > A new IETF working group has been formed in the Internet Area. For > additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG > Chairs. > > Mobility Multicast (multimob) > --------------------------------------------------- > Current Status: Active Working Group > > Chairs: > > Stig Venaas > Bechet Sarikaya < sarikaya@ieee.org> > > Internet Area Directors: > > Jari Arkko > Ralph Droms > > Internet Area Advisor: > Jari Arkko > > Mailing Lists: > > General Discussion: multimob@ietf.org > To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > Archive: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/multimob/current/maillist.html > > Description of Working Group: > > The Multicast mobility (multimob) working group provides guidance for > supporting multicast in a mobile environment. The scope of work will > be limited to Proxy Mobile IPv6, IGMPv3/MLDv2 protocols and listener > mobility. Work requiring modifications to mobility protocols and > IGMPv3/MLDv2 is out of scope in this first stage of this working group. > Modifications to multicast routing protocols are out of scope. > > Specific goals for the group are: > - Document how multicast can be supported in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 > environment > - Document the configuration of IGMPv3/MLDv2 in mobile environments > > The Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification as defined in RFC 5213 > does not describe how to support multicast. Some forms of multicast > support can, however, be built in the involved nodes by using existing > capabilities of multicast protocols and the underlying mobility > protocols. The first task of the working group is to document such > solutions for PMIPv6. This work will not require any additions or > changes to message types and parameters specified in RFC 5213, and > must assume an unmodified mobile host. The work will employ the remote > subscription model. This is a mechanism by which a mobile node joins a > multicast group and receives multicast data forwarded via the local > mobility anchor. > > IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with shared links. > Mobile nodes have needs that are specific to wireless networks and > mobility (e.g. entering a dormant mode to conserve battery power, > minimizing the latency for joining and leaving a group in support of > movement). > > The second task of the WG is to assess existing solutions for group > management, and determine to what extent these methods are sufficient > in a mobile environment. This will include recommending appropriate > selection of timer values and protocol parameters. > > In performing its work, the working group will work closely with both > the mobility community (NETLMM and NETEXT WGs) and the multicast > community (MBONED WG). The group will consider both source specific > multicast and any source multicast multicast models. > > Future work, subject to rechartering, may study/evaluate extensions to > support PMIPv6 optimizations to address the avalanche problem and fast > handover and extensions to IGMPv3/MLDv2 to support better operation in > mobile environments. > > Goals and Milestones: > > Nov 2009 Initial version of a document explaining the use of multicast > in PMIPv6 > Nov 2009 Initial version of a document on how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for > mobility > Apr 2010 Submit a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6, > for publication as either Informational or Best Current Practice > Apr 2010 Submit a document on how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for mobility, > for publication as either Informational or Best Current Practice > Jun 2010 Decision to include additional optimization work involving > extensions to PMIPv6 > Jun 2010 Decision to include additional optimization work involving > extensions to IGMPv3 or MLDv2 > Jun 2010 Recharter based on the above decisions (or close the group if > no new work is needed) From stig@venaas.com Wed Sep 9 14:04:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A9B3A69F4 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:04:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5l5zkOpXItvV for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7F33A682D for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.107.163.68] (dhcp-128-107-163-68.cisco.com [128.107.163.68]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECE037D9E; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:05:09 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Behcet Sarikaya References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:04:40 -0000 Hi all Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hello all, > > We look forward to working with Multimob folks. > Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs > Suresh Krishnan > Brian Haberman and > Gorry Fairhurst > > for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be chairing this group together with Behcet. While I have not been visible, I have been following the previous work and appreciate the efforts the people above, Behcet and the rest of you already have made. My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on multicast for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a day job. I now work for Cisco, while until a few months ago I've been more in the academic world. I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting as a wg. Stig > Regards, > > Stig & Behcet From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Thu Sep 10 09:30:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D4C3A6B35 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vu0tcNljakg for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail73.telekom.de (tcmail73.telekom.de [217.243.239.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3431628C160 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8psaans.blf.telekom.de (HELO s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de) ([10.151.180.168]) by tcmail71.telekom.de with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2009 18:28:59 +0200 Received: from S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.229.14]) by s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:28:58 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:28:57 +0200 Message-ID: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) Thread-Index: AcoxkT2UVSalgJUvSaKm+SmRn8QRtgAn0i7g References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2009 16:28:58.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC785700:01CA3233] Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:30:36 -0000 Hi Stig and Behcet, Welcome and congratulations to successful WG approval and election as = chair! I really appreciate your experience in multicast and moble = environments, respectively ... And expect some good progress we will = thus make for the official start in Hiroshima. As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the = existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge and = adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is that = while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6' we have = several existing proposals available, for the second one dealing with = 'how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for Mobility' there are only the following = ones, or did I miss something? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimi= zation-00.txt=20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobili= ty-extensions-03.txt=20 Thanks and best regards Viele Gr=FC=DFe, Dirk -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im = Auftrag von Stig Venaas Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05 An: Behcet Sarikaya Cc: multimob@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) Hi all Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > We look forward to working with Multimob folks. > Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs > Suresh Krishnan > Brian Haberman and > Gorry Fairhurst >=20 > for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be chairing this group together with Behcet. While I have not been visible, I have been following the previous work and appreciate the efforts the people above, Behcet and the rest of you already have made. My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on multicast for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a day job. I now work for Cisco, while until a few months ago I've been more in the academic world. I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting as a wg. Stig > Regards, >=20 > Stig & Behcet _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Thu Sep 10 09:45:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638AF3A6A69 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.412 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SARE_RECV_IP_222000=1.508] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJXbRfQD-YY9 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.143.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4D63A6B34 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (KHP222006121211.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp [222.6.121.211]) by pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3884313D06C4; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:45:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:45:45 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20090911.014545.103487829.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2.54 on Emacs 22.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:45:36 -0000 Hi Dirk, > So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge > and adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is > that while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in > PMIPv6' we have several existing proposals available, for the second > one dealing with 'how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for Mobility' there are > only the following ones, or did I miss something? > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-00.txt > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-03.txt The former one describes how to tune IGMPv3/MLDv2 for mobility and does not propose any protocol extension/modfication. The latter one describes IGMPv3/MLDv2 protocol extensions for fast packet forwarding after handover. Hence, only the former one is the target for the current charter. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Thu Sep 10 10:07:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28D728C188 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.049 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.049 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zj7LhMeafnqD for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261373A6A1D for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178146093.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.146.93] helo=[192.168.178.20]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Mln7r-000L4O-Jz; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:08:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:07:47 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:07:31 -0000 Hi Dirk & all, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: > As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? > I guess we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule. > So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge and adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is that while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6' we have several existing proposals available, From my knowledge of numerous existing PMIPv6 Multicast drafts, there is only one that deploys multicast without protocol modifications: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01 The document has already received a number of substantial reviews that are accounted for in the current version. As we will prepare a major update prior to Hiroshima, we very much encourage further comments and reviews. We are urged for a fast convergence process. Best regards, Thomas > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Stig Venaas > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05 > An: Behcet Sarikaya > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) > > Hi all > > Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> We look forward to working with Multimob folks. >> Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs >> Suresh Krishnan >> Brian Haberman and >> Gorry Fairhurst >> >> for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. > > Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be > chairing this group together with Behcet. While I have not > been visible, I have been following the previous work and > appreciate the efforts the people above, Behcet and the > rest of you already have made. > > My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on > multicast for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a > day job. I now work for Cisco, while until a few months ago > I've been more in the academic world. > > I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting > as a wg. > > Stig > >> Regards, >> >> Stig & Behcet > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From stig@venaas.com Thu Sep 10 10:23:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2B23A6A1D for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.992 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.992 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.117, BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYQsmZCNxVYa for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A273A688C for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.107.163.68] (dhcp-128-107-163-68.cisco.com [128.107.163.68]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F14381C4; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AA93649.9050607@venaas.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:24:25 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:23:52 -0000 Thomas C. Schmidt wrote: > Hi Dirk & all, > > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: > >> As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the >> existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? >> > > I guess we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule. Indeed the schedule is really tight, so that should be the goal. It might even be good to get a couple of rounds of updates of the drafts before our meeting if possible. If you plan to update the drafts, please publish a new revision of the drafts as soon as you can (but not as wg drafts yet). Then ideally we can get another round of comments and updates before the meeting. This of course also requires the rest of us to review those documents. I must confess I need to read the documents again to be able to give more detailed comments myself. Stig From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 11:49:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9043A6817 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.219, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YedA59Wa8aXR for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.222]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FCC53A69FF for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 52364 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2009 18:49:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252608599; bh=GCUGHfd8TZSGHLHCVlxsduLAPp7v/HMBUSZI8pWMHg8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eRVrtK0nYgrRbp5xVMGWVMGyj7FKCYUiaNt6sx8vKz7oB17Nq78MY9p4TKpvkw8tQVBHT1QsBI4VHjxpQRwhdejhqnQMsdmQ8psiLbWxs5vv269N3XEVtX/0QanBu3YwIf2nmBrBsP3wyHSL504t5iHztMQkYFiCRWDXX94KSEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=egaHDhldNWmIR0XjIrA9q38IaZOnjxjMzWi+7tfN+X3JmIrVO66lDGUdI84mvAljeq8pnedtUeS7KLDGVsGl5vw+dcku/mfEtufsoveVKL6p+Si5nSS73HQTz0QX1ro7NfKPUN0r4K28bfLqsdoYVM7pN79hpEpbFez/4IF6fZI=; Message-ID: <140048.52209.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RGs.rzIVM1lPo0FdX7z9kPiLB94B9Hm35mJQmJhKaxihxPg2B8E5fhCf4V8gPaJTquBv1rTJDZ0hdv4i5Ouxx2Ja2vNeTIVDrPXH2t_6sQ5_dQtq3f0fKlg7T91wmUa1tb3zQpwSn3lR85PzbMIZws.JTeQdQJbN_gszB5dgxGol9JRGyk.lmGNGknl_dboxUP1haI2o0B6.ZDtL_t8dx931w2pZq5w58eY1Rs7SoyLMuyJb0yfJrQhjizottYAXPz4zC_5VKE1z_.qdoabjQ7tmH10v.we1KjnVdrjHgQXiJ7dTSFB73FI- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" , Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de In-Reply-To: <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:49:24 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Thomas C. Schmidt =0A> To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de=0A> Cc: multi= mob@ietf.org=0A> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:07:47 PM=0A> Subject= : Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob)=0A> =0A> Hi D= irk & all,=0A> =0A> Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote:=0A> =0A> > As I underst= and from the charter we should now focus on improving the existing =0A> dra= fts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right?=0A> > =0A> =0A> I gue= ss we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule.=0A> =0A> > So we have= to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge and adapt =0A> to= achieve those documents ... My personal impression is that while for a =0A= > 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6' we have several exis= ting =0A> proposals available, =0A> =0A> From my knowledge of numerous exis= ting PMIPv6 Multicast drafts, there is only =0A> one that deploys multicast= without protocol modifications:=0A> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmi= dt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01=0A=0ACurrently there are several dra= fts including this one.=0AWe need to give equal consideration for all, I th= ink with my chair hat off.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A> =0A> The docume= nt has already received a number of substantial reviews that are =0A> accou= nted for in the current version.=0A> =0A> As we will prepare a major update= prior to Hiroshima, we very much encourage =0A> further comments and revie= ws. We are urged for a fast convergence process.=0A> =0A> Best regards,=0A>= =0A> Thomas=0A> =0A> > =0A> > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=0A> > Vo= n: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = =0A> von Stig Venaas=0A> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05=0A> = > An: Behcet Sarikaya=0A> > Cc: multimob@ietf.org=0A> > Betreff: Re: [multi= mob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob)=0A> > =0A> > Hi all=0A> >= =0A> > Behcet Sarikaya wrote:=0A> >> Hello all,=0A> >> =0A> >> We look f= orward to working with Multimob folks.=0A> >> Profiting the occasion, we th= ank previous co-chairs=0A> >> Suresh Krishnan=0A> >> Brian Haberman and=0A>= >> Gorry Fairhurst=0A> >> =0A> >> for their contributions towards the form= ation of the WG.=0A> > =0A> > Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I= will now be=0A> > chairing this group together with Behcet. While I have n= ot=0A> > been visible, I have been following the previous work and=0A> > ap= preciate the efforts the people above, Behcet and the=0A> > rest of you alr= eady have made.=0A> > =0A> > My background is mainly multicast. I have been= working on=0A> > multicast for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a= =0A> > day job. I now work for Cisco, while until a few months ago=0A> > I'= ve been more in the academic world.=0A> > =0A> > I look forward to working = with you all, and our first meeting=0A> > as a wg.=0A> > =0A> > Stig=0A> > = =0A> >> Regards,=0A> >> =0A> >> Stig & Behcet=0A> > _______________________= ________________________=0A> > multimob mailing list=0A> > multimob@ietf.or= g=0A> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A> > ______________= _________________________________=0A> > multimob mailing list=0A> > multimo= b@ietf.org=0A> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A> =0A> --= =0A> Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt=0A> =B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sci= ences Berliner Tor 7 =B0=0A> =B0 Dept. Informatik, Intern= et Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany =B0=0A> =B0 http://www.haw-= hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 =B0=0A> =B0 http:/= /www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 =B0=0A> _= ______________________________________________=0A> multimob mailing list=0A= > multimob@ietf.org=0A> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A= =0A=0A=0A From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 13:40:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7616F3A690E for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.777 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.777 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.112, BAYES_50=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FW2btWRzGfjD for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D210B3A68E7 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31825 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2009 20:41:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252615262; bh=reElmyeggb+dHgm1wpKRcbfCrEVxwcZAnL/0tbNjn0U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZxE+4Z+7cZicyVdNK81dJ67lLaAH/LcqUMy6wp4pEFEjyfR/tpmtE1NlXsDdWdbH9jWCgP4zqlSKH/d7E2ADVSFZHCXL2xHLHsZbYqgVvhTyrKyiCQ25BdcJbJlgEL/g7QSuZwEq8VSBLTNlvxhEcNj1s1RmfhwZJhP0B8pPv90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ii53IcsSrWV6makA71x96hGmG3mp+H1Ww5i5E8tiTAgXiq8xxNgvhd9yyqGCf4xFFGuYBix+DvlDVuHWS6hgQ9TA0Un+EPonNLpejbPOn4BsK5NXB4m3Ris88PMAAJYU+N1ip7NEzybjNp7VbUqsAaek3y3P3wxuGsd0P76/RCY=; Message-ID: <189873.31689.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ynWloc0VM1nvx3F0t0ZEBDvnHPvtW_KrGLBo38TH3WBxVReu3z9w8b5.xnpoMORQ5uG8y2C3xd94Z68FAtTznvUx3.HeRdBcZzxbP2cK57Fn9Mij.KmQfWpQgM7A3eBiOuTnHM2gW2uBXs1yOFVLkHQCJJ4ydlxqm55X.pRn2AZ3O5BZtilV8hC3WYbMYtev6Bhlof8_j.fLopQUNizTd3YK_yB34B7hVp_eyOJd.PgaqPKiks6K_dSh.2S8GgPA3TmwV6rSAYeLPoCmcYu9zAi.kE4- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [multimob] Test X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:40:39 -0000 Test mail, please ignore. From stig@venaas.com Wed Sep 16 15:25:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B203A67D8 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.768 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.768 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.787, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23C+lWFu9DkA for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FAA3A69A7 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.107.163.68] (dhcp-128-107-163-68.cisco.com [128.107.163.68]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2085387B2 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:26:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4AB16622.7020103@venaas.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:26:42 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [multimob] Documents explaining multicast in PMIPv6 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:25:58 -0000 According to our charter, we must by November have an initial version of a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6. And already by April we should have a final version for publication. Note that according to our charter: Work requiring modifications to mobility protocols and IGMPv3/MLDv2 is out of scope in this first stage of this working group. Modifications to multicast routing protocols are out of scope. This means that the document must explain how to do multicast without any protocol extensions. The plan is to have the possible solutions on the table for our wg meeting in Hiroshima, and during our meeting figure out which solution the wg prefers. If you want to write a draft and have it considered as a solution at the wg meeting, you must submit it before the deadline. The deadline for new drafts is: 2009-10-19 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) submission by 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. If you have a draft you wish to be considered as a solution (either an existing one, or one submitted before the above deadline), please send a message to the mailing list no later than the above deadline. But please note again that it must not modify any protocols. I think we all would like to work on such solutions, but our priority is to do the work we are currently chartered for. Stig From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Wed Sep 16 15:34:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134943A6ACE for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:34:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.961, BAYES_50=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcAE+sPHetxl for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.162]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F25C3A6B3C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 44322 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2009 22:08:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1253138909; bh=avYl/aoPuqT7C3Vb0qsEGwpd5DDKYtSo56203vFn0kg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wTuOKq42ekhn3OyQQ39YxBZ9IzrFYfH7yfCIwYG+ZZ0efrZs+o+73LLfGArlT97JC44dPUpSVtvT6IWdRMgGheX37CVuZVwrKIutnrkr9RIZgqee36OrwKFvwuDh3JNo6kSFrP54tJ4dEluSz/dF2y0nrDjXhsJgpJpzcp5erKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f5VPueeX0s8sMEJUhbwvx/W4yF+7M4Drm3fdkSGgxAeFqHrSogEYD/Nkdbo+tstm7r5L9UDbYHvGYNeytIRMWxgPde2Uieljm4R8yl1owhiYXCv4PDYJJOe+CTy1UFHDgTagKNsPzjYNmEq6MtMS6BQvYd7jWpQHXBuxoxJ2woU=; Message-ID: <374686.44187.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fkZdF7gVM1nZWeChdXSXUkkrLmde0uNabSg1g942tu3Abj9FkM.hKTbpRt8fxlyrsvn3CGDDt2BGRijoW27cnmt9PcfjAfvIIscTFmEyX4liiG4PHK8E.NMjgusuxPxPIftwPihTJwgw7KrOKNhTZCAnhJu6IgR1YFB.5y3.0tshpQBy40rLODfZ8YREM8t8So78kIYxKlbv5CxPha6fTUAm7H.E0dfiYZIcqdrSN2SqeLBVUvcJP9kJ7zIIhZbVRvUOjyTa93kN5nTZso6crxiHmVmKJnddW7PeZ2qYfJUbQ_mIAhli1hA- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:08:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: netext@ietf.org, netlmm@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: [multimob] Multimob PMIPv6 Multicast Support drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:34:20 -0000 Hello all, The newly formed Multimob WG has a charter item to publish a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6. Currently we have these drafts (in alphabetic order): http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution-00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt and we solicit reviews of these drafts from PMIPv6 people. They are short and easy to read. Please post your review on Multimob list (preferred), or send to the chairs soon. Thanks, Stig & Behcet From sijeon79@gmail.com Thu Sep 17 03:42:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B5F28C1F1; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5n+hTu8PXK7; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f181.google.com (mail-px0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA48928C1F9; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi11 with SMTP id 11so4689985pxi.17 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:cc :references:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=eXmWzH4dOSTMctX1MfzZHzLontDJM0niXPYWvik1xn8=; b=DplzNnGLrQLM6lPkjeCMjoK4z6Y98M9o1xRkCQsqmUli9AfZfWXI4UfMEdCTC5XdMY 5nd8bqGvtpBjH1tctpoNrwPLtUGwv0J/zscUcBjEBBoQZMa1369b2ryM7hVMLQMFa26I udrQ4bkjOsCJX8AKZMTDC10JH1sE2QL46UAwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:organization:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=U7FtqGoSRGXReR5qfzEr2RpFWs+xwR0hWyaxMvlhWrrX1l1897Ds1bG6Z9FoBlqhYF 1fqS8bQflZLNBvxRdC1gvHMMGbtQ5f/07YK78f4Pd6bdMvk6JiYnyL5iHVpAuPsyOvOQ lJcBjFYf8tnYvjMrvzw+uFHes/vqjJZCaaQSM= Received: by 10.114.6.3 with SMTP id 3mr18380442waf.166.1253184170829; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcn0d4b06d5df0 ([220.149.84.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1743703pzk.15.2009.09.17.03.42.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seil Jeon" To: "'Behcet Sarikaya'" , , References: <374686.44187.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:42:26 +0900 Organization: dcn Message-ID: <003601ca3783$8e1eff40$bf7113ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <374686.44187.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Aco3Gj1DKCA2M9iMQ564UrQN+SBjIAAZVQMw Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] [netlmm] Multimob PMIPv6 Multicast Support drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: sijeon79@gmail.com List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:42:07 -0000 Hi all, I'm Seil Jeon, the author of this draft http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft- sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt Mainly other drafts propose the method using MAG or LMA as multicast router. However, we can know that there is serious tunnel convergence problem between MAG and LMA as Mobile IP approach. And we should consider igmp/mld delay for new joining when mobile if there are no subscribers. I think that they are critical factors for PMIPv6 multicast architecture to be designed and the burdens on PMIPv6 components should be minimized as possible. ============================================================================ # Error Notice As you see handover operation in section 4, PBU/PBA signaling that exchanging between N-MAG and MR (Multicast Router) is error. It should be exchanged between N-MAG and LMA. So, don't misunderstand. A MR is simple multicast router where we have already known. I would modify an error in (-01) version Best Regards, Seil Jeon -----Original Message----- From: netlmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netlmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:08 AM To: netext@ietf.org; netlmm@ietf.org Cc: Stig Venaas; multimob@ietf.org Subject: [netlmm] Multimob PMIPv6 Multicast Support drafts Hello all, The newly formed Multimob WG has a charter item to publish a document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6. Currently we have these drafts (in alphabetic order): http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution- 00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment- 01.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt and we solicit reviews of these drafts from PMIPv6 people. They are short and easy to read. Please post your review on Multimob list (preferred), or send to the chairs soon. Thanks, Stig & Behcet _______________________________________________ netlmm mailing list netlmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netlmm From sijeon79@gmail.com Fri Sep 25 05:13:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF2F3A696E for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.855 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.855 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.745, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M8pIxeByoSgS for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f183.google.com (mail-px0-f183.google.com [209.85.216.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7027C3A693E for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13so3132944pxi.6 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:14:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:cc :references:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole :in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=wnAw9hTtgsrQTUH13Uq0oTwKJ1jd3BlveHs2F7pxeSM=; b=o8iAxNg455ToluY5ncG0wgDuIKwQ+zivyLO31oOlC1VWgjKyQlBXi6jtZte/dhE5om wqIJTyRJu3PihOErdrDpBtHldp/sb3TeqjxKrGoKMB2FdBIS99ytolyfB1ZGrLGNaUtI RYTsaWbLjk70bVKqXkvqigroXR7N5Wp+ktWt8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:organization:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=QFuSmr7PlVg2nZsIYaE+/k/BzPFw8B3VpkITzdilYPC7e4PYk1ppIYqKUB5NtFL6po oLoIbifRa0futR/jYOwqMJeQA5g3C4rwFE20AKnajAigP4/60ZORJPgbseYRWuEH2EPr 7eT+5YXGC78Mrc/VUBTtL24JDMsB8jJeLhsiY= Received: by 10.115.149.4 with SMTP id b4mr37544wao.18.1253880879920; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcn0d4b06d5df0 ([220.149.84.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm385048pxi.13.2009.09.25.05.14.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seil Jeon" To: "'Thomas C. Schmidt'" References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:14:26 +0900 Organization: dcn Message-ID: <003101ca3dd9$bbc04ce0$a47213ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Thread-Index: AcoyOUjWRlXqJCCgRcqhLsQEOKYNIwLn4mgg Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: sijeon79@gmail.com List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:13:33 -0000 Hi.. Thomas.. I have already read you draft.. -mcast-deployment-01.txt There are message source and destination address from LMA to MN, and MN = to LMA. But, how multicast packets can be transmitted? Your opinion is same as = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnam-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-soluti= on-00.txt ? I want to know how tunneled multicast packet are treated. Best Regards, Seil Jeon. -----Original Message----- From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Thomas C. Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:08 AM To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) Hi Dirk & all, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: > As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the = existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? > I guess we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule. > So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge=20 > and adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is=20 > that while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6'=20 > we have several existing proposals available, From my knowledge of numerous existing PMIPv6 Multicast drafts, there = is only one that deploys multicast without protocol modifications: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment= -01 The document has already received a number of substantial reviews that = are accounted for in the current version. As we will prepare a major update prior to Hiroshima, we very much = encourage further comments and reviews. We are urged for a fast = convergence process. Best regards, Thomas >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im=20 > Auftrag von Stig Venaas > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05 > An: Behcet Sarikaya > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) >=20 > Hi all >=20 > Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> We look forward to working with Multimob folks. >> Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs Suresh Krishnan=20 >> Brian Haberman and Gorry Fairhurst >> >> for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. >=20 > Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be chairing=20 > this group together with Behcet. While I have not been visible, I have = > been following the previous work and appreciate the efforts the people = > above, Behcet and the rest of you already have made. >=20 > My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on multicast=20 > for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a day job. I now work=20 > for Cisco, while until a few months ago I've been more in the academic = > world. >=20 > I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting as a wg. >=20 > Stig >=20 >> Regards, >> >> Stig & Behcet > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --=20 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =C2=B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner = Tor 7 =C2=B0 =C2=B0 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, = Germany =C2=B0 =C2=B0 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: = +49-40-42875-8452 =C2=B0 =C2=B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: = +49-40-42875-8409 =C2=B0 _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Fri Sep 25 06:09:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2D83A69AE for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Huq+OtkrmDVV for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DB43A69A4 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from [91.113.129.90] (helo=[192.168.1.216]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MrAZg-0005Rw-OT; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:11:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4ABCC160.1060605@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:10:56 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sijeon79@gmail.com References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <003101ca3dd9$bbc04ce0$a47213ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> In-Reply-To: <003101ca3dd9$bbc04ce0$a47213ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:09:53 -0000 Hi Seil, Seil Jeon wrote: > I have already read you draft.. -mcast-deployment-01.txt > Thanks & thanks for commenting. I suppose you speak about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01 > There are message source and destination address from LMA to MN, and MN to LMA. > I'm not sure what you mean. But of course, yes. There are source and destination addresses. But there is no tunnel between LMA and MN. Actually, an MN in PMIP should not see a reason to initiate a tunnel with the LMA. > But, how multicast packets can be transmitted? > Well, as stated in the draft: The LMA will receive multicast data by whatever means (out of scope for this document). It will forward this data to the tunnel interfaces with MAGs, from which it previously received corresponding JOINs at. Here it is assumed that the LMA is somehow a multicast-aware router (Proxy or DR). Mcast data will then arrive at the MAGs (on their upstream interface of the corresponding proxy instance). It will decapsulate and forward on those downstream interfaces that have appropriate mcast fowarding states. > Your opinion is same as http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnam-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution-00.txt ? I suppose you speak about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution-00 There has been a longer discussion on the list. The difference with this approach is twofold: First, draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution does define new protocol operations, so it is not a BCP-type. Second, there is some 'surprising' use of a tunnel: A unidirectional tunnel enforced to the MN. > > I want to know how tunneled multicast packet are treated. > The LMA-MAG tunneling I just tried to explain above. If encapsulated packets with a unicast outer header are transmitted via any of those entities, they should be treated as unicast - just standard packet forwarding. Did I answer your questions? Thanks, Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas C. Schmidt > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:08 AM > To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) > > Hi Dirk & all, > > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: > >> As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? >> > > I guess we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule. > >> So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge >> and adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is >> that while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6' >> we have several existing proposals available, > > From my knowledge of numerous existing PMIPv6 Multicast drafts, there is only one that deploys multicast without protocol modifications: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01 > > The document has already received a number of substantial reviews that are accounted for in the current version. > > As we will prepare a major update prior to Hiroshima, we very much encourage further comments and reviews. We are urged for a fast convergence process. > > Best regards, > > Thomas > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im >> Auftrag von Stig Venaas >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05 >> An: Behcet Sarikaya >> Cc: multimob@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) >> >> Hi all >> >> Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> We look forward to working with Multimob folks. >>> Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs Suresh Krishnan >>> Brian Haberman and Gorry Fairhurst >>> >>> for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. >> Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be chairing >> this group together with Behcet. While I have not been visible, I have >> been following the previous work and appreciate the efforts the people >> above, Behcet and the rest of you already have made. >> >> My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on multicast >> for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a day job. I now work >> for Cisco, while until a few months ago I've been more in the academic >> world. >> >> I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting as a wg. >> >> Stig >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Stig & Behcet >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From sijeon79@gmail.com Fri Sep 25 23:32:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F4E28C0E3 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uWogLh07DqOg for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f188.google.com (mail-yw0-f188.google.com [209.85.211.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4303A680F for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh26 with SMTP id 26so1575553ywh.29 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:33:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:cc :references:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole :in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=rR5BxyZMf/Kykqgi4uoYXkSQlRed+9kBXVBYMet40Dw=; b=ddut1NA6v16DhUEMzD8TYR8qggYlKXfNU0buVTHlGphkztuHJJeZ9Y6gmmHeYd1RLr pIQ6lS6oQncVuaBmJKQDfTEE6orjQcXT0f691UJEeH/7ddCCG02p+qqcn6Q9P7V1uBk1 w0xAaFQftCiq1w+kiG7EQmUW3B/KyiTZGwjcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:organization:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=vaPTizSNZ5Gh8ILkbYMEgR2LNvx6mHF8Vvi3gSOpUOQFJLLBRgK17Q00nRZS80LI+h OYOP9lJ+bsQTiOYw8UR1IqWm6I0tvSqZdDWZloQrxaSWilBVpCPltFOA+miBP6H2474W RbNBiWqciyaQB4CBKnwsdq13yJBYO0PQzRs0g= Received: by 10.91.90.18 with SMTP id s18mr1276384agl.35.1253946828492; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcn0d4b06d5df0 ([220.149.84.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm954637agb.42.2009.09.25.23.33.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seil Jeon" To: "'Thomas C. Schmidt'" References: <739451.95842.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AA81885.80409@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848015527B1@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4AA93263.8080603@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <003101ca3dd9$bbc04ce0$a47213ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> <4ABCC160.1060605@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:33:35 +0900 Organization: dcn Message-ID: <000701ca3e73$488c8410$a47213ac@dcn0d4b06d5df0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4ABCC160.1060605@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Thread-Index: Aco94aGA44fnpwQYRK6yeOA+qlPWXgAkaI6g Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: sijeon79@gmail.com List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:32:43 -0000 Thank you for quick response. As you know, it means that there are description paragraph..=20 message address from LMA to MAG, from MAG to MN, and .. etc. Definitely, I got your point. Best Regards, Seil Jeon=20 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de]=20 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:11 PM To: sijeon79@gmail.com Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) Hi Seil, Seil Jeon wrote: > I have already read you draft.. -mcast-deployment-01.txt > Thanks & thanks for commenting. I suppose you speak about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment= -01 > There are message source and destination address from LMA to MN, and = MN to LMA. >=20 I'm not sure what you mean. But of course, yes. There are source and = destination addresses. But there is no tunnel between LMA and MN.=20 Actually, an MN in PMIP should not see a reason to initiate a tunnel = with the LMA. > But, how multicast packets can be transmitted? >=20 Well, as stated in the draft: The LMA will receive multicast data by = whatever means (out of scope for this document). It will forward this = data to the tunnel interfaces with MAGs, from which it previously = received corresponding JOINs at. Here it is assumed that the LMA is = somehow a multicast-aware router (Proxy or DR). Mcast data will then arrive at the MAGs (on their upstream interface of = the corresponding proxy instance). It will decapsulate and forward on = those downstream interfaces that have appropriate mcast fowarding = states. > Your opinion is same as = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnam-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-soluti= on-00.txt ? I suppose you speak about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-soluti= on-00 There has been a longer discussion on the list. The difference with this = approach is twofold: First, = draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution does define new = protocol operations, so it is not a BCP-type. Second, there is some = 'surprising' use of a tunnel: A unidirectional tunnel enforced to the = MN. >=20 > I want to know how tunneled multicast packet are treated. >=20 The LMA-MAG tunneling I just tried to explain above. If encapsulated = packets with a unicast outer header are transmitted via any of those = entities, they should be treated as unicast - just standard packet = forwarding. Did I answer your questions? Thanks, Thomas >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Thomas C. Schmidt > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:08 AM > To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) >=20 > Hi Dirk & all, >=20 > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: >=20 >> As I understand from the charter we should now focus on improving the = existing drafts for WG approval as version 00 in November, right? >> >=20 > I guess we should: charter enforces a very tight schedule. >=20 >> So we have to decide which of the existing solution drafts to merge=20 >> and adapt to achieve those documents ... My personal impression is=20 >> that while for a 'document explaining the use of multicast in PMIPv6' >> we have several existing proposals available, >=20 > From my knowledge of numerous existing PMIPv6 Multicast drafts, there = is only one that deploys multicast without protocol modifications: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deploym > ent-01 >=20 > The document has already received a number of substantial reviews that = are accounted for in the current version. >=20 > As we will prepare a major update prior to Hiroshima, we very much = encourage further comments and reviews. We are urged for a fast = convergence process. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Thomas >=20 >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im=20 >> Auftrag von Stig Venaas >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. September 2009 23:05 >> An: Behcet Sarikaya >> Cc: multimob@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: [multimob] Fw: WG Action: Mobility Multicast (multimob) >> >> Hi all >> >> Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> We look forward to working with Multimob folks. >>> Profiting the occasion, we thank previous co-chairs Suresh Krishnan=20 >>> Brian Haberman and Gorry Fairhurst >>> >>> for their contributions towards the formation of the WG. >> Most of you probably have no idea who I am. I will now be chairing=20 >> this group together with Behcet. While I have not been visible, I=20 >> have been following the previous work and appreciate the efforts the=20 >> people above, Behcet and the rest of you already have made. >> >> My background is mainly multicast. I have been working on multicast=20 >> for years, and it is also what I mostly do as a day job. I now work=20 >> for Cisco, while until a few months ago I've been more in the=20 >> academic world. >> >> I look forward to working with you all, and our first meeting as a = wg. >> >> Stig >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Stig & Behcet >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >=20 --=20 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =C2=B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner = Tor 7 =C2=B0 =C2=B0 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, = Germany =C2=B0 =C2=B0 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: = +49-40-42875-8452 =C2=B0 =C2=B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: = +49-40-42875-8409 =C2=B0 From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Mon Sep 28 11:53:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599CE28C10E for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.945, BAYES_50=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CcoZrCAiimWA for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C4D63A69D3 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 51587 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2009 18:54:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1254164061; bh=tkpMyy7t7vlrvHwZ1rIjO4QkbfmYWU9pqg9Jzsyl5vM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rZGGn9KA50qQGDanPLgHE1W/aTPFE6n3dymaJm4n+tGxphKiIVe1UeCQff9i0Su/Bc8RMmy2HyXq8+EVKh0dqx2oBCbPdEvnwY/JsHltZZEvZ7KV350d58ARuTJo13bNMTVCnUSWTgJMGq445DlLa935JmU6vHU5LVnVvD/q4Iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VDIsIni9uKjXeEshKpFJLCvFiRdruHAbScfJcKEZUakFKvJlZd+2aPlncsvN3jtMiEhRZ102f5DM+VGyehM7RCr4a6n6Se2gLivT4bJ7QCnllsnMHjgqBR5lkUmIJ1y1qSx0ZduW2a2B35Oxy9hkx15c9ePnhxaagywS+XdacRE=; Message-ID: <180185.51129.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D_BDBgYVM1mchrWGpq_V0357Z7ej9boIF2wHdKtKVuhu7q6b_XpdIlR_zUxvSoceArrEK5Z8tCRWUs8VJzcsixrvf11EcFnCORQN0UI5WybSCsKmlI_jEFMet3UdYaqBkwYV8rrUzgqvmHYpyUfgxzQWAxcQrTtShHJY8bKnUXzYbfVXKkVXA7ESV8enj8BFDWvClyJ8dwz1rarwATFZZzPXlCGuWlfPgAKL3d3qRe.Sj6iLdLWbsEtJrp2n_b8QfSHAGxZXnPXNlzTS553tlTvvu0xSgqmjHaZnkQ-- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [multimob] draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:53:05 -0000 Hi Hitoshi, I read this draft and would like to say a few words about it. I found a few typos and I can send them to you offline. I found Section 2 quite confusing and difficult to understand. Section 3 on explicit membership notification makes good points. RFC 4861 which obsoleted 2461 has similar recommendations for mobile hosts. So we should go for it, I think. I thought of suggesting two separate sections for IGMP and MLD but maybe the current structure is OK considering the fact that IGMP and MLD are very similar. Do you expect any problems from running both IGMP and MLD simultaneously in a given dual stack mobile host? Section 5 is work in progress as well as 7 TODOs, no comments on it so far. Overall, Sections 3 and 5 should constitute most of what is recommended and furthermore this may be reflected on the title. Regards, Behcet From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Mon Sep 28 22:57:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8E828C0E3 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydPWGMTkLz3j for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.143.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDDB3A6847 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-143-179.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.143.179]) by pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5CB13D8C38; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:58:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:58:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20090929.145856.206940203.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: sarikaya@ieee.org, behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <180185.51129.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <180185.51129.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:57:39 -0000 Hi Behcet, > I read this draft and would like to say a few words about it. > I found a few typos and I can send them to you offline. Thanks! > I found Section 2 quite confusing and difficult to understand. I'll improve the text in the next revision. If you have any specific opinion or find some ambiguity, please tell me. I'm glad to hear it. Thanks. > Section 3 on explicit membership notification makes good points. RFC > 4861 which obsoleted 2461 has similar recommendations for mobile > hosts. So we should go for it, I think. Thanks. > I thought of suggesting two separate sections for IGMP and MLD but > maybe the current structure is OK considering the fact that IGMP and > MLD are very similar. > > Do you expect any problems from running both IGMP and MLD > simultaneously in a given dual stack mobile host? I believe there is no problem at all. It is common. Do you have any concern for some function? > Section 5 is work in progress as well as 7 TODOs, no comments on it so far. > > Overall, Sections 3 and 5 should constitute most of what is > recommended and furthermore this may be reflected on the title. I'll try to fix TODOs and ambiguities in the revised draft. Thanks for your comments. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda