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Hi,

We have reposted the draft to avoid expiration. No updates compared to the =
previous draft.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mizrahi-ntp-extension-field-03

Thanks,
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Network Time Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Using NTP Extension Fields without Authentication
        Authors         : Tal Mizrahi
                          Danny Mayer
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field-00.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2014-01-03

Abstract:
   The Network Time Protocol Version 4 (NTPv4) defines the optional
   usage of extension fields. An extension field is an optional field
   that resides at the end of the NTP header, and can be used to add
   optional capabilities or additional information that is not conveyed
   in the standard NTP header. The current definition of extension
   fields in NTPv4 is somewhat ambiguous regarding the connection
   between extension fields and the presence of a Message Authentication
   Code (MAC). This draft clarifies the usage of extension fields in the
   presence and in the absence of a MAC, while maintaining
   interoperability with existing implementations.


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Folks,

This message initiates a two week WGLC (closing on 20 January) on the 
following document:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field/

While this is a -00 working group document, the individual submission 
document has been
around since Oct 2012 and has had two revisions based on wg feedback.

Please review and comment on the mailing list.

Thanks,
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On 1/6/2014 10:41 AM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
> Folks,
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> This message initiates a two week WGLC (closing on 20 January) on the
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field/
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On 12/1/2013 8:47 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
> Does DNS using DNSSEC return a specific error code for time-invalid?  Or just
> a generic didn't-work?
It will depend on the implementation.
>
> How close does the time have to be for DNSSEC to work?

Again it will depend on the implementation. Kerberos tickets for cross 
mounting a microsoft file system can be made to expire in a short enough 
time frame that this could cause issues.
>
> Could this problem be solved by setting up a bank of NTP servers at well
> known IP Addresses?  Say, one next to each root DNS server.
This is why a NTP proxy would be a good tool.
> If you tried to
> do that, I'd expect a serious problem would be overload because idiots would
> try to use them for normal NTP use rather than just getting off the ground.
You guys host one right? So you know... We see insane levels of use. 
Most all of us in the ITS program do.
> It might be possible to discourage that by making them return crappy time.
No - that's not really an acceptable trust thing.
>
>
> ted.lemon@nominum.com said:
>> As for the home router use model, it may be that what you really want is for
>> the home router to query for an FQDN-only DHCP option from the ISP DHCP
>> server, and then resolve that FQDN and respond to DHCP clients on the
>> homenet with an IP address.   Since the FQDN is not hard-coded, and the IP
>> address is (one hopes) resolved either at query time or when its TTL
>> expires, this ought to prevent a repeat of the firmware burn-in incident.
> Most ISPs already provide DNS servers for their customers.  How do their IP
> address get setup in home routers?

DHCP in most instances.
>   Could NTP servers piggyback on that
> mechanism if ISPs also provided NTP servers?
>
Sure and from the perspective of the Cable or provider who does control 
the last mile they just run their own perimeter or edge based services 
and configure them in with DHCP. Again the client never sees it.
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Von:	Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
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Folks,

This message initiates a two week WGLC (closing on 20 January) on the
following document:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field/

While this is a -00 working group document, the individual submission
document has been
around since Oct 2012 and has had two revisions based on wg feedback.

Please review and comment on the mailing list.

Thanks,
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On 01/06/2014 04:41 PM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
> Folks,
>
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> following document:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field/
>
> While this is a -00 working group document, the individual submission 
> document has been
> around since Oct 2012 and has had two revisions based on wg feedback.
>
> Please review and comment on the mailing list.
Approve

PS. Solves a nasty problem and looks like a clean solution.

Cheers,
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Do we have any implementation experience for this draft?  If so, I would
like to see that added to the draft.

Regards,
Brian

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Not that I'm aware of. This is more of a clarification of RFC5905 than
a change. I need to look at the reference implementation to see if it
conforms.

Danny

On 1/20/2014 2:05 PM, Brian Haberman wrote:
> Do we have any implementation experience for this draft?  If so, I 
> would like to see that added to the draft.
> 
> Regards, Brian
> 
> On 1/6/14 10:41 AM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> This message initiates a two week WGLC (closing on 20 January)
>> on the following document:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-extension-field/
>> 
>> While this is a -00 working group document, the individual 
>> submission document has been around since Oct 2012 and has had 
>> two revisions based on wg feedback.
>> 
>> Please review and comment on the mailing list.
>> 
>> Thanks, Karen
>> 
>> 
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