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This draft is a work item of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Group of the IETF. Title : Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode PIM-SM): Protocol Specification (Revised) Author(s) : B. Fenner, M. Handley, H. Holbrook, I. Kouvelas Filename : draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt,.ps Pages : 143 Date : 2003-10-2 This document specifies Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM). PIM-SM is a multicast routing protocol that can use the underlying unicast routing information base or a separate multicast-capable routing information base. It builds unidirectional shared trees rooted at a Rendezvous Point (RP) per group, and optionally creates shortest-path trees per source. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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This draft is a work item of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Group of the IETF. Title : Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode PIM-SM): Protocol Specification (Revised) Author(s) : B. Fenner, M. Handley, H. Holbrook, I. Kouvelas Filename : draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt,.ps Pages : 143 Date : 2003-10-2 This document specifies Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM). PIM-SM is a multicast routing protocol that can use the underlying unicast routing information base or a separate multicast-capable routing information base. It builds unidirectional shared trees rooted at a Rendezvous Point (RP) per group, and optionally creates shortest-path trees per source. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-10-2105932.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-10-2105932.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --NextPart-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 6 14:07:26 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15168 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h96I3uLU043676; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from apollo.adtech-inc.com (Apollo.Adtech-Inc.COM [63.165.80.17]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h96I3tLT043672 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gurpreet.Singh@SpirentCom.COM) Received: by apollo.adtech-inc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:03:34 -1000 Message-ID: <3D7BA5153B91EB4EBCF4CEDFE6263EA235B7FA@apollo.adtech-inc.com> From: "Singh, Gurpreet" To: "'pim@catarina.usc.edu'" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:03:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [pim] PIM Group Set Source List Rules X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Hi I have a question regarding the group source list rules for PIM Join/Prune messages defined in the draft draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-07.txt Section 4.10.5.1 The table listing the cobination of Join and Prunes in a single Join/Prune message has "no" and "?" no Combination is not allowed by the protocol and MUST NOT be generated by a router. ? Combination not expected by the protocol, but well-defined. A router MAY accept it but SHOULD NOT generate it. Is it correct to infer from this that for combinations marked as "no" router should not accept the PIM-SM Join/Prune message and just drop the message if it receives a PIM-SM Join/Prune message with the "no" combination ? Or is it that the behaviour for accepting or droping this kind of packet is not defined in the spec and is left to the deiscretion of the implementation. But if that is the case then "no" and "?" would be similar in behaviour. Thanks Gurpreet _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 6 15:45:19 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19312 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h96JgWLU044051; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from dmz2.procket.com (dmz2.procket.com [65.174.124.37]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h96JgULT044047 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John.Zwiebel@procket.com) Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h96Lkbjg059112; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchangefe2.na.procket.com (email.na.procket.com [10.1.7.252]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h96JgKYB021537; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procket.com ([10.1.1.1]) by exchangefe2.na.procket.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:40:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:40:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [pim] PIM Group Set Source List Rules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: "Singh, Gurpreet" From: John Zwiebel In-Reply-To: <3D7BA5153B91EB4EBCF4CEDFE6263EA235B7FA@apollo.adtech-inc.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2003 19:40:43.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAD4D8A0:01C38C41] Cc: "'pim@catarina.usc.edu'" , John Zwiebel X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Singh, Gurpreet wrote: > Hi > > > I have a question regarding the group source list rules for PIM > Join/Prune > messages defined in the draft draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-07.txt Section > 4.10.5.1 > > The table listing the cobination of Join and Prunes in a single > Join/Prune > message has "no" and "?" > > no Combination is not allowed by the protocol and MUST NOT be > generated by a router. > > > ? Combination not expected by the protocol, but well-defined. A > router MAY accept it but SHOULD NOT generate it. > > > Is it correct to infer from this that for combinations marked as "no" > router > should not accept the PIM-SM Join/Prune message and just drop the > message if > it receives a PIM-SM Join/Prune message with the "no" combination ? Or > is it > that the behaviour for accepting or droping this kind of packet is not > defined in the spec and is left to the deiscretion of the > implementation. > But if that is the case then "no" and "?" would be similar in > behaviour. > The "no" combinations are "obvious" contradictions. For example, a (*,G) join and a (*,G) prune in the same message represents a "paranoid" behavior on the part of the sender who can't seem to make up his mind about what he wants. It took a few years to recognize that PIM join/prune messages have to be processed "atomically" (in the same sense that SNMP has to be processed atomically). For example, a (*,G) join message has to "look ahead" in the j/p message to ensure there isn't a (S,G,R) prune further on or the router will incorrectly add an OIF and may then incorrectly forward data leading to all sorts of problems (possibly an assert exchange for instance) as time goes on. (FWIW, I found that 1pps was enough to discover the forwarding problem. and you may want to include a data stream in your test instrument to specifically look for that problem. Also, FWIW, I can not imagine why no one complained about the problem during the time I was ignoring it because I had "more important" things to worry about. ;-) The spec does not say that these contradictory messages should be dropped. It -might- be a good idea to do so, but the reality is that looking ahead through an entire join/prune message to ensure it doesn't contain any such contradictions could become rather process intensive, especially as the number of groups starts to get larger and larger. One -might- then suggest that all j/p messages received from the same neighbor within x amount of time have to be examined to ensure there are no contradictions. (I'm expanding beyond the scope of your question, to illustrate the 'never-ending' nature of what might be possible.) So, from a test instrument perspective, you want to figure out a way of triggering such a contradiction so you can test it (I think it may be difficult to do, I don't have a clue) but you certainly -cannot- say that if your test instrument sends such a message and the router processes it that the router has failed the test. WRT the "?" items. These represent items that are "complementary" and "redundant". For example, a (*,G) prune with a (S,G,R) prune -should- accomplish the same thing WRT a (S,G,R) entry (ie remove the OIF from the Olist. There's little reason to include the (S,G,R) prune. Another example, a (*,G) prune with a (S,G,R) join, is a 'unique' situation. One -might- be able to make a persuasive argument that such a message has utility in some situations. (Especially when the use of IGMPv3 is contemplated). Yet within the "standard" model under which ASM works over the past 10 years, such a message is "senseless". But, by allowing the loophole in the RFC, perhaps the ASM model can be expanded in the future to meet needs currently not anticipated. Such a need would probably be recognized by a given vendor and so the definition of "?" in the spec allows that flexibility while still emphasizing that it isn't a "good idea". From a test instrument perspective, it is important (IMHO) that you generate "?" type messages and ensure that the router correctly processes the message. If the router fails, it should be flagged as a "conditional failure" which means that the strictest interpretation of the ASM model would suggest that such a failure won't cause any interoperability problems so "who cares". And unless you subscribe to the potential changes I've outlined above, the answer would be "no one". :-) I hope this is helpful. z _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Thu Oct 9 08:31:01 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17483 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h99CRILU055945; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from alumnux.com ([203.197.124.190]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h99CRCLT055939; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabin@alumnux.com) Received: from KUBRICK (kubrick.alumnus.co.in [192.168.10.19] (may be forged)) by alumnux.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15700; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:18:54 +0530 Message-ID: <001f01c38e60$0a1fd9d0$5800460a@KUBRICK> From: "Rabindranath Das" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:52:43 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Subject: [pim] What is the difference between RPF Neighbor and RPF' Neighbor X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============070790825783570099==" Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============070790825783570099== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C38E8E.23C74CF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C38E8E.23C74CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PIM DM Draft is not very clear about the differences between RPF = neighbor and RPF' neighbor. What I understood is, for a DUT any neighbor on the same LAN as the RFF = interface (of a DUT for a particular source S) is called RPF Neighbor; but when = DUT's routing table is concerned to reach source S then the routing table will = recommend one of the RPF neighbor as the next hop or the gateway. That is probably the RPF' = neighbor. =20 Please let me know if I am making any mistake.=20 --Rabin ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C38E8E.23C74CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PIM DM Draft is not very clear about the = differences between RPF neighbor and RPF' neighbor.
What I understood is, for a DUT any = neighbor on=20 the same LAN as the RFF interface
(of a DUT for a particular source S) is = called RPF=20 Neighbor; but when DUT's routing
table is concerned to reach source S then the = routing=20 table will recommend one of the
RPF neighbor as the next hop or the gateway. = That is=20 probably the RPF' neighbor.
 
Please let me know if I am making any = mistake.=20
 
--Rabin
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C38E8E.23C74CF0-- --===============070790825783570099== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --===============070790825783570099==-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Thu Oct 9 13:53:36 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01429 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h99HoRLU056833; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from dmz2.procket.com (dmz2.procket.com [65.174.124.37]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h99HoQLT056827; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John.Zwiebel@procket.com) Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h99JsZjg011112; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchangefe2.na.procket.com (email.na.procket.com [10.1.7.252]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h99HoEYB018776; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procket.com ([10.1.1.1]) by exchangefe2.na.procket.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:50:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:50:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [pim] What is the difference between RPF Neighbor and RPF' Neighbor Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: "Rabindranath Das" From: John Zwiebel In-Reply-To: <001f01c38e60$0a1fd9d0$5800460a@KUBRICK> Message-Id: <111D4FA3-FA81-11D7-93FC-00039307689E@procket.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 17:50:14.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAEE8CB0:01C38E8D] Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu, pim-request@catarina.usc.edu, John Zwiebel X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============39060571201381855==" Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu --===============39060571201381855== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--632201968 --Apple-Mail-6--632201968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RPF neighbor is the one the IGP points to as the next-hop toward the=20 source RPF' neighbor is the one that is actually used and it may be set by an=20= assert for instance. The idea that all routers on that lan are RPF neighbors isn't quite=20 right. On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 05:22 AM, Rabindranath Das wrote: > > PIM DM Draft=A0is not very clear about the differences between RPF=20 > neighbor and RPF' neighbor. > What I understood is, for a DUT any neighbor=A0on the same=A0LAN as = the=20 > RFF interface > (of a DUT for a particular source S) is called RPF Neighbor; but when=20= > DUT's routing > table is concerned to reach source S then the routing table will=20 > recommend one of the > RPF neighbor as the next hop or the gateway. That is probably the RPF'=20= > neighbor. > =A0 > Please let me know if I am making any mistake. > =A0 > --Rabin > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@catarina.usc.edu > http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --Apple-Mail-6--632201968 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RPF neighbor is the one the IGP points to as the next-hop toward the source RPF' neighbor is the one that is actually used and it may be set by an assert for instance. The idea that all routers on that lan are RPF neighbors isn't quite right. On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 05:22 AM, Rabindranath Das wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFPIM DM Draft=A0is not very clear about the differences between RPF neighbor and RPF' neighbor. 0000,0000,FFFFWhat I understood is, for a DUT any neighbor=A0on the same=A0LAN as the RFF interface 0000,0000,FFFF(of a DUT for a particular source S) is called RPF Neighbor; but when DUT's routing 0000,0000,FFFFtable is concerned to reach source S then the routing table will recommend one of the 0000,0000,FFFFRPF neighbor as the next hop or the gateway. That is probably the RPF' neighbor. =A0 0000,0000,FFFFPlease let me know if I am making any mistake. =A0 --Rabin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim = --Apple-Mail-6--632201968-- --===============39060571201381855== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --===============39060571201381855==-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 05:15:09 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA27679 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9D97SLU074045; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from huawei.com (mta2.huawei.com [61.144.161.24]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9D97NLT074041 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prashantj@huawei.com) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.7 (built Jun 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HMO00B5EUOZTA@mta2.huawei.com> for pim@catarina.usc.edu; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:07:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from mailin.huawei.com ([10.18.1.252]) by mta2.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.7 (built Jun 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HMO00FU5UOY6S@mta2.huawei.com> for pim@catarina.usc.edu; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:07:47 +0800 (CST) Received: from DELL15 ([10.18.4.77]) by mailin.huawei.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HMOUTA00.V0H; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:10:22 +0800 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:43:30 +0530 From: Prashant Jhingran Subject: RE: [pim] What is the difference between RPF Neighbor and RPF' Neighbor In-reply-to: <111D4FA3-FA81-11D7-93FC-00039307689E@procket.com> To: "'Rabindranath Das'" Message-id: <002d01c3916a$4585bfa0$0701010b@DELL15> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: prashantj@huawei.com List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, As per the draft: neighbor RPF'(S,G) { if ( I_Am_Assert_loser(S, G, RPF_interface(S) )) { return AssertWinner(S, G, RPF_interface(S) ) } else { return MRIB.next_hop( S ) } } while the RPF nbr is simply "MRIB.next_hop( S )" . Now "MRIB.next_hop( S )" cannot yield "any neighbor on the same LAN as the RFF interface" as it is dependant on routing database MRIB. regards, Prashant -----Original Message----- From: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu [mailto:pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu]On Behalf Of John Zwiebel Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:20 PM To: Rabindranath Das Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu; pim-request@catarina.usc.edu; John Zwiebel Subject: Re: [pim] What is the difference between RPF Neighbor and RPF' Neighbor RPF neighbor is the one the IGP points to as the next-hop toward the source RPF' neighbor is the one that is actually used and it may be set by an assert for instance. The idea that all routers on that lan are RPF neighbors isn't quite right. On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 05:22 AM, Rabindranath Das wrote: PIM DM Draft is not very clear about the differences between RPF neighbor and RPF' neighbor. What I understood is, for a DUT any neighbor on the same LAN as the RFF interface (of a DUT for a particular source S) is called RPF Neighbor; but when DUT's routing table is concerned to reach source S then the routing table will recommend one of the RPF neighbor as the next hop or the gateway. That is probably the RPF' neighbor. Please let me know if I am making any mistake. --Rabin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 11:42:39 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11941 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DFZRLU075415; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from ns.anritsu.co.jp (ns.anritsu.co.jp [133.236.48.2]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9A4BwLT058489 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bijjam@ex.anritsu.co.jp) Received: from gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp [172.16.16.20]) by ns.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD76020F36 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:11:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from ATS-VIRUS-001 (ats-virus-001.noc.anritsu.co.jp [172.16.16.26]) by gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with SMTP id BA7861050C3 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:11:45 +0900 (JST) Received: FROM mail0.cr.anritsu.co.jp BY ATS-VIRUS-001 ; Fri Oct 10 13:08:46 2003 +0900 Message-ID: <001701c38ee4$41e1a360$785610ac@ce.anritsu.co.jp> From: "venkat bijjam" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:09:10 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:35:23 -0700 Subject: [pim] Request from a PIMSM developer X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Respected M/s, Could you suggest me the PIM-SM RFC2362's Postscript version? Thank you for your kind support. Regards, Bijjam _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 12:10:44 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13157 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DG4CLU075565; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from possum.icir.org (possum.icir.org [192.150.187.67]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DG4ALT075561 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Received: from possum.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by possum.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9DG4AIK007595; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Message-Id: <200310131604.h9DG4AIK007595@possum.icir.org> To: "venkat bijjam" Subject: Re: [pim] Request from a PIMSM developer In-Reply-To: Message from "venkat bijjam" of "Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:09:10 +0900." <001701c38ee4$41e1a360$785610ac@ce.anritsu.co.jp> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:04:10 -0700 From: Pavlin Radoslavov Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu > Could you suggest me the PIM-SM RFC2362's Postscript version? Bijjam, You should use the lastest Internet Draft instead of RFC-2362: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.ps http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt Regards, Pavlin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 16:11:12 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24919 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DK3jLU076341; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from web20505.mail.yahoo.com (web20505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.140]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h9DK3iLT076337 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim_technical@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031013200240.78470.qmail@web20505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.221.212.131] by web20505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:02:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim T To: pim@catarina.usc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============58053111597897744==" Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu --===============58053111597897744== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1588955565-1066075360=:78190" --0-1588955565-1066075360=:78190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm new to PIM and have been going through the PIM-SM draft (v7). I had a couple of (possibly newbie) questions and hope someone will answer. a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? I think not because the former is on the SPT while the latter is meant for prune state on the RPT. But I'm a bit confused by the description in section 4.1.5. b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received? Thanks much, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1588955565-1066075360=:78190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,
 
I'm new to PIM and have been going through the PIM-SM draft (v7). I had a couple of (possibly newbie) questions and hope someone will answer.
 
a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? I think not because the former is on the SPT while the latter is meant for prune state on the RPT. But I'm a bit confused by the description in section 4.1.5.
 
b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received?
 
Thanks much,
Jim
 

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Shopping - with improved product search --0-1588955565-1066075360=:78190-- --===============58053111597897744== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --===============58053111597897744==-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 17:51:20 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01034 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DLfaLU076680; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from dmz2.procket.com (dmz2.procket.com [65.174.124.37]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DLfYLT076676 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John.Zwiebel@procket.com) Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9DNjnjg075049; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchangefe2.na.procket.com (email.na.procket.com [10.1.7.252]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9DLfOYB027117; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procket.com ([10.1.1.1]) by exchangefe2.na.procket.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:40:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:40:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Jim T From: John Zwiebel In-Reply-To: <20031013200240.78470.qmail@web20505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2003 21:40:48.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA732B60:01C391D2] Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu, John Zwiebel X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Jim T wrote: > a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? No > b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to > understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, > would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which > would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus > the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received? yes, remember to keep the rp-bit set for the entry and that the RPF is still toward the RP not the source _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 13 22:54:50 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA10683 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E2lmLU077427; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:47:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from possum.icir.org (possum.icir.org [192.150.187.67]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E2llLT077423 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Received: from possum.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by possum.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9E2llIK086775; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Message-Id: <200310140247.h9E2llIK086775@possum.icir.org> To: John Zwiebel Subject: Re: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state In-Reply-To: Message from John Zwiebel of "Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:40:41 PDT." Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:47:47 -0700 From: Pavlin Radoslavov Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu > > On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Jim T wrote: > > > a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? > > No You could have (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) routing entries at the same time. Though, this is more like an implementation-specific detail. E.g., the (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) state machines are specified independently from each other, and the spec doesn't say whether you could/must/could-not/must-not have (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) state at the same time. Of course, the final result (e.g., the forwarding state that is installed in the forwarding engine) would have to consider both the (S,G) and the (S,G,rpt) routing entries (see the definition of inherited_olist(S,G,rpt) and inherited_olist(S,G) on page 14). Pavlin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 03:04:28 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA28175 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E6vTLU078088; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E6vRLT078084 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sarvesh@motorola.com) Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate4.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate4) with ESMTP id h9E6vQHR028851 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from zin05exm02.corp.mot.com (zin05exm02.corp.mot.com [10.232.0.1]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id h9E6vMCi018839 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:57:24 -0500 Received: by zin05exm02.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:26:07 +0530 Message-ID: <653138C25D8AD6118292000347080A37056240D0@zin05exm02.corp.mot.com> From: Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 To: "'Jim T'" , pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: RE: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:26:07 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============87113949547172131==" Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============87113949547172131== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39220.3DF160C6" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39220.3DF160C6 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Jim, By "(S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states" are you referring to (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) routing entries. If so than that might be an implementation specific detail. But if you are referring to states with regards state machine described in section 4.5.9, then both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states can co-exist. For example in the last hop router directly connected to receiving host, if we decide to switch-to-spt, then (S,G) states will exist to form a SPT towards the source. While the (S,G,rpt) states will be responsible for sending Prune(S,G,rpt) along the RPT towards the RP. Regards, Sarvesh -----Original Message----- From: Jim T [mailto:jim_technical@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:33 AM To: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state Hi, I'm new to PIM and have been going through the PIM-SM draft (v7). I had a couple of (possibly newbie) questions and hope someone will answer. a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? I think not because the former is on the SPT while the latter is meant for prune state on the RPT. But I'm a bit confused by the description in section 4.1.5. b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received? Thanks much, Jim _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --===============87113949547172131==-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 08:05:21 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05387 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EBwbLU079218; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EBwZLT079214 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h9EBwUj86068; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200310141158.h9EBwUj86068@merlot.juniper.net> To: pim@catarina.usc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <57085.1066132710.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:58:30 -0700 From: Tom Pusateri Cc: Liming Wei Subject: [pim] PIM WG presentation time slots and charter question X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu If you would like some time at the next PIM WG meeting in Minneapolis, please send me a note so I can make sure we have enough time scheduled. Currently I have only the following items requested: 1. discussion of PIM over P2MP LSPs 2. PIM MIB discussion In the past, we touched on PIM over MPLS foo but this has never been in our charter. The MPLS group thinks it belongs in PIM and not in MPLS. I would like us to agree before the meeting whether we want to include this in our charter. If you have anything else, please let me know. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 11:37:03 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15175 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EFTwLU079803; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EFTvLT079799 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h9EFTqj99248 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200310141529.h9EFTqj99248@merlot.juniper.net> To: pim@catarina.usc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <17403.1066145392.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:29:52 -0700 From: Tom Pusateri Subject: [pim] PIM MIB update needed X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu We have some volunteers to work on the PIM MIB a few meetings ago and since no visible progress has been made, I'm going to ask for new volunteers to pick up this effort. This is necessary to move the PIM sparse mode draft forward. So if you are looking for a way to contribute, please consider this. If you've worked on the PIM MIB in the past and can provide the original document source, please let me know. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 15:34:21 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26072 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EJRHLU080695; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from web20510.mail.yahoo.com (web20510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.145]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h9EJRFLT080691 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim_technical@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031014192715.57906.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.221.212.131] by web20510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:15 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim T Subject: RE: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state To: Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 , pim@catarina.usc.edu In-Reply-To: <653138C25D8AD6118292000347080A37056240D0@zin05exm02.corp.mot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============35178281277859391==" Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu --===============35178281277859391== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1210348914-1066159635=:56128" --0-1210348914-1066159635=:56128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My question (a) was regarding PIM-SM state-machine states. After going through the responses and section 4.5.9, I'm beginning to understand better. The last-hop router, say R1, will have (S,G) state after switchover to the SPT and it will have (S,G,rpt) upstream state for pruning itself off the RPT. Also, if R1 is an intermediate router on the RPT to some other downstream router, say R2, R2 may send a (S,G,rpt) Prune message to R1 and so R1 would have downstream state too for (S,G,rpt). The forwarding state/s installed would have to consider both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) entries. I have one other (naive?) question. Once a router (R1 or R2 above) finds that it no longer needs to forward along the RPT (inherited_olist(S,G,rpt) is null), does it keep the (*,G) state or does it remove it? Jim Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 wrote: Hi Jim, By "(S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states" are you referring to (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) routing entries. If so than that might be an implementation specific detail. But if you are referring to states with regards state machine described in section 4.5.9, then both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states can co-exist. For example in the last hop router directly connected to receiving host, if we decide to switch-to-spt, then (S,G) states will exist to form a SPT towards the source. While the (S,G,rpt) states will be responsible for sending Prune(S,G,rpt) along the RPT towards the RP. Regards, Sarvesh -----Original Message----- From: Jim T [mailto:jim_technical@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:33 AM To: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state Hi, I'm new to PIM and have been going through the PIM-SM draft (v7). I had a couple of (possibly newbie) questions and hope someone will answer. a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? I think not because the former is on the SPT while the latter is meant for prune state on the RPT. But I'm a bit confused by the description in section 4.1.5. b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received? Thanks much, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --0-1210348914-1066159635=:56128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
My question (a) was regarding PIM-SM state-machine states. After going through the responses and section 4.5.9, I'm beginning to understand better. The last-hop router, say R1, will have (S,G) state after switchover to the SPT and it will have (S,G,rpt) upstream state for pruning itself off the RPT. Also, if R1 is an intermediate router on the RPT to some other downstream router, say R2, R2 may send a (S,G,rpt) Prune message to R1 and so R1 would have downstream state too for (S,G,rpt). The forwarding state/s installed would have to consider both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) entries.
 
I have one other (naive?) question. Once a router (R1 or R2 above) finds that it no longer needs to forward along the RPT (inherited_olist(S,G,rpt) is null), does it keep the (*,G) state or does it remove it?
 
Jim


Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 <sarvesh@motorola.com> wrote:
Hi Jim,
    By "(S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states" are you referring to (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) routing entries. If so than that might be an implementation specific detail. But if you are referring to states with regards state machine described in section 4.5.9, then both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states can co-exist. For example in the last hop router directly connected to receiving host, if we decide to switch-to-spt, then (S,G) states will exist to form a SPT towards the source. While the (S,G,rpt) states will be responsible for sending Prune(S,G,rpt) along the RPT towards the RP.
 
Regards,
Sarvesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim T [mailto:jim_technical@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:33 AM
To: pim@catarina.usc.edu
Subject: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state

Hi,
 
I'm new to PIM and have been going through the PIM-SM draft (v7). I had a couple of (possibly newbie) questions and hope someone will answer.
 
a) Can (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) states exist at the same time on a router? I think not because the former is on the SPT while the latter is meant for prune state on the RPT. But I'm a bit confused by the description in section 4.1.5.
 
b) This is touching upon implementation but I'm asking it to understand the whole thing better. When a (S,G,rpt) Prune is received, would a router actually create a "(S,G) style forwarding entry" which would have its olist set to that the olist of the (*,G) state minus the interface on which (S,G,rpt) Prune is received?
 
Thanks much,
Jim
 

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Shopping - with improved product search --0-1210348914-1066159635=:56128-- --===============35178281277859391== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim --===============35178281277859391==-- From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 15:45:50 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27000 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EJdNLU080747; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from possum.icir.org (possum.icir.org [192.150.187.67]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EJdMLT080743 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Received: from possum.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by possum.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9EJdMIK012464; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Message-Id: <200310141939.h9EJdMIK012464@possum.icir.org> To: Jim T Subject: Re: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state In-Reply-To: Message from Jim T of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:27:15 PDT." <20031014192715.57906.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:22 -0700 From: Pavlin Radoslavov Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu, Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu > My question (a) was regarding PIM-SM state-machine states. After > going through the responses and section 4.5.9, I'm beginning to > understand better. The last-hop router, say R1, will have (S,G) > state after switchover to the SPT and it will have (S,G,rpt) > upstream state for pruning itself off the RPT. Also, if R1 is an > intermediate router on the RPT to some other downstream router, > say R2, R2 may send a (S,G,rpt) Prune message to R1 and so R1 > would have downstream state too for (S,G,rpt). The forwarding > state/s installed would have to consider both (S,G) and (S,G,rpt) > entries. > > I have one other (naive?) question. Once a router (R1 or R2 above) > finds that it no longer needs to forward along the RPT > (inherited_olist(S,G,rpt) is null), does it keep the (*,G) state > or does it remove it? Presumably, the (*,G) state was installed because of IGMP/MLD (*,G) Join and/or PIM-SM (*,G) Join; i.e., it indicates interest in receiving multicast data from all senders for group G. Hence, the (*,G) state should stay to take care of receiving multicast data for all other sender for group G (except the above sender S). Pavlin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 16:30:02 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00567 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EKNVLU080960; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from dmz2.procket.com (dmz2.procket.com [65.174.124.37]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EKNULT080954 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John.Zwiebel@procket.com) Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9EMRjjg087536; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchangefe2.na.procket.com (email.na.procket.com [10.1.7.252]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9EKNKYB016111; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procket.com ([10.1.1.1]) by exchangefe2.na.procket.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:23:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [pim] Question on (S,G,rpt) prune state Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Jim T From: John Zwiebel In-Reply-To: <20031014192715.57906.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3F803198-FE84-11D7-9381-00039307689E@procket.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2003 20:23:20.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[0223F510:01C39291] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by catarina.usc.edu id h9EKNULT080955 Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu, John Zwiebel X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Jim T wrote: > > I have one other (naive?) question. Once a router (R1 or R2 above) > finds that it no longer needs to forward along the RPT > (inherited_olist(S,G,rpt) is null), does it keep the (*,G) state or > does it remove it? >   > (*,G) state is independent. You don't create (*,G) state because of the receipt of a (S,G,R) prune -- although an implementation may choose to do that. (*,G) is created when you receive an IGMP host report (last-hop) or a PIM (*,G) join message. The state is maintained as long as you continue to receive the (*,G) join. If one wanted to be really "picky" the JOIN message actually doesn't create (*,G) state it just adds an interface to the (*,G) Outgoing interface list with a 3 minute expiration timer. Then a (*,G) prune message would delete this interface. Whether or not you have (*,G) state with a NULL olist is an implementation question. _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 14 17:47:50 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04286 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9ELfCLU081321; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from prattle.redback.com (hiddenuser@prattle.redback.com [155.53.12.9]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9ELfALT081317 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lwei@redback.com) Received: from liming-pc.redback.com (liming-pc.redback.com [155.53.44.79]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEA13A72A8; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lwei@localhost) by liming-pc.redback.com (8.11.3nb1/8.8.8/null redback bsdclient) id h9ELeRL15103; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200310142140.h9ELeRL15103@liming-pc.redback.com> From: Liming Wei To: pusateri@juniper.net In-reply-to: <200310141158.h9EBwUj86068@merlot.juniper.net> (message from Tom Pusateri on Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:58:30 -0700) References: <200310141158.h9EBwUj86068@merlot.juniper.net> Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: [pim] Re: PIM WG presentation time slots and charter question X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: lwei@redback.com List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu > From: Tom Pusateri > > In the past, we touched on PIM over MPLS foo but this > has never been in our charter. The MPLS group thinks > it belongs in PIM and not in MPLS. I would like us > to agree before the meeting whether we want to include > this in our charter. This subject relates to the PIM WG and the MPLS WG. The MPLS WG has been overloaded (splitted into two groups). It is appropriate for the PIM WG to adopt it as a WG item. 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The MPLS group thinks > > it belongs in PIM and not in MPLS. I would like us > > to agree before the meeting whether we want to include > > this in our charter. > > This subject relates to the PIM WG and the MPLS WG. The MPLS WG has > been overloaded (splitted into two groups). It is appropriate > for the PIM WG to adopt it as a WG item. > Tom, Liming, When I was going through the email thread from the MPLS WG, my understanding was that the authors would like to pursue a solution independent of the underlying multicast routing protocol. I'm not sure what has changed recently. But if we adopt it as a PIM WG item, we would assume whatever mechanism we come up with, it will be based on PIM. Is this what we are going to decide or it is a foregone decision? Some clarification is appreciated. Thanks. -- Yiqun _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Wed Oct 15 02:32:01 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12686 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F6OnLU082756; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F6OkLT082752 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h9F6OXj70300; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200310150624.h9F6OXj70300@merlot.juniper.net> To: ycai@cisco.com Subject: Re: [pim] Re: PIM WG presentation time slots and charter question In-Reply-To: Message from Yiqun Cai of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:25:08 PDT." <200310142225.PAA09734@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9983.1066199073.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:33 -0700 From: Tom Pusateri Cc: lwei@redback.com, pim@catarina.usc.edu, pusateri@juniper.net X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu In message <200310142225.PAA09734@cisco.com> you write: > >> >> > From: Tom Pusateri >> > >> > In the past, we touched on PIM over MPLS foo but this >> > has never been in our charter. The MPLS group thinks >> > it belongs in PIM and not in MPLS. I would like us >> > to agree before the meeting whether we want to include >> > this in our charter. >> >> This subject relates to the PIM WG and the MPLS WG. The MPLS WG has >> been overloaded (splitted into two groups). It is appropriate >> for the PIM WG to adopt it as a WG item. >> > >Tom, Liming, > >When I was going through the email thread from the MPLS WG, my >understanding was that the authors would like to pursue a solution >independent of the underlying multicast routing protocol. > >I'm not sure what has changed recently. But if we adopt it as a PIM >WG item, we would assume whatever mechanism we come up with, it will >be based on PIM. Is this what we are going to decide or it is a >foregone decision? > >Some clarification is appreciated. Thanks. Good question. I think that within the MPLS core, this is definitely true. However, in order to have IP multicast originate outside the MPLS core in a PIM domain and have it received by hosts on the other side of the MPLS core, PIM has to be able to interface at the edge with the P2MP MPLS core. Most proposals that would allow this require some extensions to PIM to cross the MPLS core. This is the work that would need to be done in the PIM WG. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Wed Oct 15 02:59:10 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAB17439 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F6q7LU082883; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from v6.hitachi.co.jp (galilei.v6.hitachi.co.jp [133.145.167.4]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9F6q6LT082879 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suz@crl.hitachi.co.jp) Received: from s30.crl.hitachi.co.jp (galilei.v6.hitachi.co.jp [IPv6:2001:200:165::1]) by v6.hitachi.co.jp (8.12.9p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9F6rjmx065333 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:53:45 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from suz@crl.hitachi.co.jp) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:52:00 +0900 Message-ID: From: SUZUKI Shinsuke To: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-cite: xcite 1.33 User-Agent: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.11.14 (Wonderwall) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Network Systems Research Dept., Central Research Laboratory, Hitachi, Ltd, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Hello all, There are three comments regarding the interface-address-list option, which is newly introduced in this new draft. [editorial comment] 1) section 4.1.6 (p.25) Note that a neighbor's IP address may not be unique within the ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PIM neighbor database due to scope issues. The address must however be unique amongst the addresses of all the PIM neighbors on a specific interface. I think the underlined part should be "be non-unique". Since "may not be unique" sounds like "not allowed to be unique", and what is trying to be mentioned here is "a neighbor's IP address can be different place by place within the PIM neighbor database". [clarifications] 2) Section 4.3.1 (p.30) "The Interface_Address_List Option SHOULD be included in all IPv4 Hello messages and MUST be included in all IPv6 Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses associated with the source interface of the router originating the message." Does it mean that it MUST advertise this option with option-len = 0, even when there's no secondary IPv6 address on a link (i.e. only one link-local address is assigned)? I don't think it's a necessary in such a case, so IMHO it would be better to change this section like this. The Interface_Address_List Option MUST be included in all Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses associated with the source interface of the router originating the message. If there is no secondary address associated with the source interface, this option MAY be omitted. 3) Section 4.3.4 The primary address of the source interface of the router MUST NOT be listed within the Address List Hello option. When the address is included within this Hello option, what should be discarded on the receiving router? a) Whole Hello message b) All the interface-address-list option c) The primary address included in the interface-address-list option I think c) is correct, but it's ambiguous from the above description, so it would be better to add a clarification statement here. Thanks, ---- SUZUKI, Shinsuke @ Hitachi / KAME Project _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Wed Oct 15 12:18:14 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07462 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9FGEYLU084764; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9FGEWLT084760 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h9FGERj08508; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200310151614.h9FGERj08508@merlot.juniper.net> To: Tom Pusateri Subject: Re: [pim] PIM MIB update needed In-Reply-To: Message from Tom Pusateri of "Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:29:52 PDT." <200310141529.h9EFTqj99248@merlot.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <84389.1066234467.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:14:27 -0700 From: Tom Pusateri Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu, pusateri@juniper.net X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu I apolgize to Jonathon Nicholas for not mentioning the work he did on the PIM MIB. I had forgotten about his contribution when I sent out this note. His work has expired from the internet drafts repository and he will resubmit it and we can go from there. Jonathon has agreed to continue working on it if needed. We also have two others interesting in helping: Kumar Krishnakumar Bharat Joshi Thanks for volunteering. Tom In message <200310141529.h9EFTqj99248@merlot.juniper.net> you write: >We have some volunteers to work on the PIM MIB a few meetings ago >and since no visible progress has been made, I'm going to ask >for new volunteers to pick up this effort. This is necessary >to move the PIM sparse mode draft forward. > >So if you are looking for a way to contribute, please consider this. > >If you've worked on the PIM MIB in the past and can provide the >original document source, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Tom >_______________________________________________ >pim mailing list >pim@catarina.usc.edu >http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Thu Oct 16 21:01:18 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA01887 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9H0sALU090450; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from apollo.adtech-inc.com (Apollo.Adtech-Inc.COM [63.165.80.17]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9H0s4LT090446 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gurpreet.Singh@SpirentCom.COM) Received: by apollo.adtech-inc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:53:42 -1000 Message-ID: <3D7BA5153B91EB4EBCF4CEDFE6263EA235B832@apollo.adtech-inc.com> From: "Singh, Gurpreet" To: "'pim@catarina.usc.edu'" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:53:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [pim] PIM-SM Assert NoInfo state X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Hi This is in reference to (draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-07.txt ) Section 4.6.1 Figure 10. When a router is in "Assert Loser State" "Receive Inferior Assert from Current Winner We receive an assert from the current assert winner that is worse than our own metric for this group (typically the winner's metric became worse). We transition to NoInfo state, deleting the (S,G) assert information and allowing the normal PIM Join/Prune mechanisms to operate. Usually we will eventually re-assert and win when data packets from S have started flowing again." The NoInfo state state here refers to (S,G) Assert state machine. Am i correct to say that in this case the router should still maitain its (S,G) Join state created earlier and once in (S,G) Assert NoInfo state it should forward the (S,G) data it receives from the Source to the multicast group G members ? Thanks Gurpreet _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Fri Oct 17 01:25:34 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07236 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9H5MeLU091222; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from motgate6.mot.com (motgate6.mot.com [144.189.100.106]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9H5MdLT091218 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sarvesh@motorola.com) Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate6.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate6) with ESMTP id h9H5Mcmx014079 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from zin05exm02.corp.mot.com (zin05exm02.corp.mot.com [10.232.0.1]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id h9H5MY3N028833 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:22:36 -0500 Received: by zin05exm02.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:12 +0530 Message-ID: <653138C25D8AD6118292000347080A37056240D7@zin05exm02.corp.mot.com> From: Bandi Sarveshwar-G19441 To: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: RE: [pim] PIM-SM Assert NoInfo state Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:51:11 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Yeah you are right. The router will start forwarding on (S,G) state as a result of assert state machine going to no info state. The result of this is would be " we will eventually re-assert and win when data packets from S have started flowing again." -----Original Message----- From: Singh, Gurpreet [mailto:Gurpreet.Singh@spirentcom.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:24 AM To: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: [pim] PIM-SM Assert NoInfo state Hi This is in reference to (draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-07.txt ) Section 4.6.1 Figure 10. When a router is in "Assert Loser State" "Receive Inferior Assert from Current Winner We receive an assert from the current assert winner that is worse than our own metric for this group (typically the winner's metric became worse). We transition to NoInfo state, deleting the (S,G) assert information and allowing the normal PIM Join/Prune mechanisms to operate. Usually we will eventually re-assert and win when data packets from S have started flowing again." The NoInfo state state here refers to (S,G) Assert state machine. Am i correct to say that in this case the router should still maitain its (S,G) Join state created earlier and once in (S,G) Assert NoInfo state it should forward the (S,G) data it receives from the Source to the multicast group G members ? Thanks Gurpreet _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Sat Oct 18 16:30:22 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08634 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9IKQiLU000936; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from alpha.jnpr.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9IKQhLT000932 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rshekhar@juniper.net) Received: from pi-smtp.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.36]) by alpha.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:26:38 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:26:37 -0400 Message-ID: <98F04BA831360C4FB5F7FC0118D91828024A6CF4@pi.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt Thread-Index: AcOS7hUZKbaXZ6kgS3eHVM9rRjZ/QgCxKCPgAADGplA= From: "Ravi Shekhar" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2003 20:26:38.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[21F88EF0:01C395B6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by catarina.usc.edu id h9IKQiLT000933 Subject: [pim] PIM IPv6 pseudo header length for Register messages. X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks, Should the length field in the pseudo-header created for calculating the checksum of a Register message include the length of the encapsulated data packet, or should it only include PIM Message header and the Register header part over which the checksum is actually calculated (i.e. 8 bytes)? Checksum section states that it should be the "length of the PIM message". If that includes the encapsulated data length, it could preclude an implementation from pre-calculating the checksum, as appears to be the intention from specification in Register Packet section where it states that data packet should not be included in checksum calculation. Thanks. - Ravi Shekhar. Checksum The checksum is a standard IP checksum, i.e. the 16-bit one's complement of the one's complement sum of the entire PIM message, excluding the "Multicast data packet" section of the Register message. For computing the checksum, the checksum field is zeroed. For IPv6, the checksum also includes the IPv6 "pseudo-header", as specified in RFC 2460, Section 8.1 [5]. This "pseudo-header" is prepended to the PIM header for the purposes of calculating the checksum. The "Upper-Layer Packet Length" in the pseudo-header is set to the length of the PIM message. The Next Header value used in the pseudo-header is 103. If the packet's length is not an integral number of 16-bit words, the packet is padded with a byte of zero before performing the checksum. .... PIM Version, Type, Reserved, Checksum Described in Section 4.10. Note that in order to reduce encapsulation overhead, the checksum for Registers is done only on first 8 bytes of the packet, including the PIM header and the next 4 bytes, excluding the data packet portion. For interoperability reasons, a message carrying a checksum calculated over the entire PIM Register message should also be accepted. _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 27 18:38:35 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28523 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9RNZVLU042353; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from possum.icir.org (possum.icir.org [192.150.187.67]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9RNZULT042349 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Received: from possum.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by possum.icir.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h9RNZTIK043967 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pavlin@possum.icir.org) Message-Id: <200310272335.h9RNZTIK043967@possum.icir.org> To: pim@catarina.usc.edu Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:29 -0800 From: Pavlin Radoslavov Subject: [pim] Moving the PIM mailing list X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu All, The mailing list of the IETF PIM working group would be moved from its current location to the IETF site. The new address of the list would be: pim at ietf.org I will automatically subscribe all current members so you don't need to do anything. Everyone subscribed to the new mailing list would receive an automated message. If you don't receive such message, then please let me know. If you want to unsubscribe from the new list, you can use its WEB interface: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim/ Shortly I will disable the old list and will update the web page (http://netweb.usc.edu/pim/) to point to the new address. For the time being all the email sent to the old address will be redirected to the new address, but the redirected email will be delayed for administrative approval. Hence, this redirection may be cut-off in the future. If you need any administrative assistance with your membership, please send an email to the administrative contact listed at the bottom of the web page of the new mailing list. Thank You, Pavlin _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 18:45:52 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28924 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEH3H-0001a6-Pk for pim-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:45:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <20031027234535.6065.30648.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Subject: Welcome to the "pim" mailing list From: pim-request@ietf.org To: pim-archive@ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Welcome to the pim@ietf.org mailing list! 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From pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 27 19:10:34 2003 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [204.57.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29953 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from catarina.usc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9S087LU042537; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu) Received: from prattle.redback.com (hiddenuser@prattle.redback.com [155.53.12.9]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9S085LT042533 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lwei@redback.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DB73594A2; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17798-04; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from liming-pc.redback.com (liming-pc.redback.com [155.53.44.79]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BFA3594A3; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lwei@localhost) by liming-pc.redback.com (8.11.3nb1/8.8.8/null redback bsdclient) id h9S083I01348; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310280008.h9S083I01348@liming-pc.redback.com> From: Liming Wei To: pavlin@icir.org In-reply-to: <200310272335.h9RNZTIK043967@possum.icir.org> (message from Pavlin Radoslavov on Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:29 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Moving the PIM mailing list References: <200310272335.h9RNZTIK043967@possum.icir.org> Cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-BeenThere: pim@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: lwei@redback.com List-Id: The IETF PIM working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Errors-To: pim-bounces@catarina.usc.edu Pavlin, Thank you for maintaining the mailing list for the 5-7 years, and, also for all the work involved in moving the mailing list to the IETF site. I'd also like to thank the USC network lab for lending the email server for the past 5+ years. -Liming Wei ----------- > From: Pavlin Radoslavov > > All, > > The mailing list of the IETF PIM working group > would be moved from its current location to the IETF site. > The new address of the list would be: > > pim at ietf.org > > I will automatically subscribe all current members so you don't need > to do anything. Everyone subscribed to the new mailing list would > receive an automated message. If you don't receive such message, > then please let me know. > > If you want to unsubscribe from the new list, you can use its WEB > interface: > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim/ > > Shortly I will disable the old list and will update the web page > (http://netweb.usc.edu/pim/) to point to the new address. > > For the time being all the email sent to the old address will be > redirected to the new address, but the redirected email will be > delayed for administrative approval. Hence, this redirection may be > cut-off in the future. > > If you need any administrative assistance with your membership, > please send an email to the administrative contact listed at the > bottom of the web page of the new mailing list. > > Thank You, > Pavlin > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@catarina.usc.edu > http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim > _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@catarina.usc.edu http://catarina.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 21:17:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04093 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPp-00045q-Ad; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPW-000454-98 for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04057 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPT-00049P-00 for pim@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:39 -0500 Received: from [202.106.154.132] (helo=heian.fujitsu.com.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPO-00049F-00 for pim@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:38 -0500 Received: from edo.cn.fujitsu.com (edo.cn.fujitsu.com [10.167.33.5]) by heian.fujitsu.com.cn (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9S2F6jl023922 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:15:09 +0800 (CST) Received: from fcc.cn.fujitsu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edo.cn.fujitsu.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9S2GOsx004483 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:24 +0800 (CST) Received: from RsProxy ([10.167.34.198]) by fcc.cn.fujitsu.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9S2Aog23620 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:10:50 +0800 Message-ID: <046601c39cf9$791bca40$c622a70a@JackLv> From: "Jack Lu" To: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [pim] (no subject) Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0-- _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Oct 27 21:17:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04108 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPx-00047U-DU for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9S2H9K9015830 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPx-00047F-7V for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04073 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPu-00049n-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPu-00049i-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPp-00045q-Ad; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:17:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEJPW-000454-98 for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04057 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPT-00049P-00 for pim@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:39 -0500 Received: from [202.106.154.132] (helo=heian.fujitsu.com.cn) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEJPO-00049F-00 for pim@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:16:38 -0500 Received: from edo.cn.fujitsu.com (edo.cn.fujitsu.com [10.167.33.5]) by heian.fujitsu.com.cn (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9S2F6jl023922 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:15:09 +0800 (CST) Received: from fcc.cn.fujitsu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edo.cn.fujitsu.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9S2GOsx004483 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:24 +0800 (CST) Received: from RsProxy ([10.167.34.198]) by fcc.cn.fujitsu.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9S2Aog23620 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:10:50 +0800 Message-ID: <046601c39cf9$791bca40$c622a70a@JackLv> From: "Jack Lu" To: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:16:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [pim] (no subject) Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0462_01C39D3C.86FBBFB0-- _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 08:40:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19828 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU4o-00047M-JN; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU43-00042j-8J for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19794 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU41-0002nk-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0500 Received: from nn6.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.60] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU41-0002nZ-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0500 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 28F34109ECF; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 -0500 (EST) To: pim@ietf.org Received: from [203.197.138.194] by xprdmailfe1.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5613c7ba96850745f9a70eb170e76f3c Reply-To: smiley_raj@excite.com From: "smiley_raj@excite.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: smiley_raj@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031028133843.28F34109ECF@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source address MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't it be said that the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain backward compatability? Thanks in advance Rajesh. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 08:40:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19843 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU4y-00049U-QZ for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SDeCTb015956 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU4y-00049H-K8 for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19819 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU4x-0002oL-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU4x-0002oI-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU4o-00047M-JN; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:40:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEU43-00042j-8J for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19794 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU41-0002nk-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0500 Received: from nn6.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.60] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEU41-0002nZ-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0500 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 28F34109ECF; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 -0500 (EST) To: pim@ietf.org Received: from [203.197.138.194] by xprdmailfe1.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5613c7ba96850745f9a70eb170e76f3c Reply-To: smiley_raj@excite.com From: "smiley_raj@excite.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: smiley_raj@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031028133843.28F34109ECF@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source address MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't it be said that the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain backward compatability? Thanks in advance Rajesh. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 14:52:44 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19381 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsn-0000qE-Jy; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsa-0000pL-1F for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19309 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsX-0005NV-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:45 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsW-0005Ml-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:44 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 11:49:55 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SJpDQY022550; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> To: smiley_raj@excite.com cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 EST." <20031028133843.28F34109ECF@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. Isidor "smiley_raj@excite.com" writes: > >Hi all, >Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source addre >ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't it be said th >at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a > (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. >Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain ba >ckward compatability? >Thanks in advance >Rajesh. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > >_______________________________________________ >pim mailing list >pim@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 14:52:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19399 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZtE-00013f-Oo for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SJqSfQ004067 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZtE-00013W-LC for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19335 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZtA-0005OT-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZt9-0005ON-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsn-0000qE-Jy; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEZsa-0000pL-1F for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19309 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsX-0005NV-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:45 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEZsW-0005Ml-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:51:44 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 11:49:55 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SJpDQY022550; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> To: smiley_raj@excite.com cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:38:43 EST." <20031028133843.28F34109ECF@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. Isidor "smiley_raj@excite.com" writes: > >Hi all, >Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source addre >ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't it be said th >at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a > (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. >Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain ba >ckward compatability? >Thanks in advance >Rajesh. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > >_______________________________________________ >pim mailing list >pim@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 15:25:42 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22816 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaOp-000613-3O; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaOU-0005mL-6T for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22639 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaOS-00064e-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:45 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaOS-000645-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:44 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SMRrOt097242; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SKNDYB015506; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SKND6Z002799; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282023.h9SKND6Z002799@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link >> by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY >> source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is >> that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will >> not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. >> The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the >> router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and >> the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. >> By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert >> you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) >> state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. And what if the Assert source address is not in the PIM neighbor database for the interface? A router shouldn't process Assert messages from just anyone? Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 15:25:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22845 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaP6-00064G-9X for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:25 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SKPOBG023320 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaP5-00063z-Ua for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22683 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaP4-00065D-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaP4-00065A-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaOp-000613-3O; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:25:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEaOU-0005mL-6T for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22639 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaOS-00064e-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:45 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEaOS-000645-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:24:44 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SMRrOt097242; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SKNDYB015506; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SKND6Z002799; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282023.h9SKND6Z002799@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310281951.h9SJpDQY022550@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link >> by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY >> source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is >> that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will >> not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. >> The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the >> router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and >> the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. >> By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert >> you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) >> state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. And what if the Assert source address is not in the PIM neighbor database for the interface? A router shouldn't process Assert messages from just anyone? Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 16:26:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27340 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbLn-0007eJ-9F; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbLJ-0007Zh-Ta for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27274 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbLI-0007Li-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:32 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbLH-0007Kt-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:31 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 22:22:53 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SLOpiw010740; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> To: Dino Farinacci cc: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 PST." <200310282023.h9SKND6Z002799@dino-pc.procket.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dino Farinacci writes: >>> If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link >>> by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY >>> source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is >>> that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will >>> not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. >>> The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the >>> router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and >>> the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. >>> By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert >>> you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) >>> state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. > > And what if the Assert source address is not in the PIM neighbor database > for the interface? A router shouldn't process Assert messages from just > anyone? The source address refers to the source of the data packet that triggered the assert and not the address of the router that sent the assert PIM packet. The source address of the PIM packet MUST always be set. A (*,G) assert is identified as a wildcard by the presence of a wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 16:26:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27355 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbM4-0007hu-0f for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SLQJN1029620 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbM3-0007hf-Pm for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27317 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbM2-0007Mk-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbM1-0007Mh-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbLn-0007eJ-9F; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEbLJ-0007Zh-Ta for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA27274 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbLI-0007Li-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:32 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEbLH-0007Kt-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:25:31 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 22:22:53 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SLOpiw010740; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> To: Dino Farinacci cc: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:13 PST." <200310282023.h9SKND6Z002799@dino-pc.procket.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dino Farinacci writes: >>> If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link >>> by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY >>> source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is >>> that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will >>> not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert. >>> The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the >>> router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and >>> the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. >>> By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert >>> you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) >>> state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. > > And what if the Assert source address is not in the PIM neighbor database > for the interface? A router shouldn't process Assert messages from just > anyone? The source address refers to the source of the data packet that triggered the assert and not the address of the router that sent the assert PIM packet. The source address of the PIM packet MUST always be set. A (*,G) assert is identified as a wildcard by the presence of a wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:10:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00396 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc2M-0004ap-3C; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc1p-0004XN-7I for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00161 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc1n-0000YZ-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc1l-0000XV-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:25 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9T0BLOt098748; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SM6fYB020678; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SM6eFj003938; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282206.h9SM6eFj003938@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> The source address refers to the source of the data packet that >> triggered the assert and not the address of the router that sent the That wasn't clear. >> The source address of the PIM packet MUST always be set. Of course it must be set, how can it not be. You need to be more specific and precise in your description. Like what's the value of the source address in the Assert message. >> wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). I think you are confusing matters. The original question was asking about the source address of the Assert. You seemed to answer the question in that context. So that is why I'm confused. >> set. A (*,G) assert is identified as a wildcard by the presence of a >> wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). This is clear as mud. Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:10:46 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00425 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc2l-0004dq-Eh for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SMARPA017836 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc2l-0004db-8L for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00358 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc2j-0000cn-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:25 -0500 Received: from sausage.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc2i-0000ci-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEc2h-0007n5-Sc for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc2M-0004ap-3C; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:10:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEc1p-0004XN-7I for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00161 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc1n-0000YZ-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEc1l-0000XV-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:09:25 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9T0BLOt098748; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SM6fYB020678; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SM6eFj003938; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282206.h9SM6eFj003938@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:24:51 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310282124.h9SLOpiw010740@sj-core-2.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> The source address refers to the source of the data packet that >> triggered the assert and not the address of the router that sent the That wasn't clear. >> The source address of the PIM packet MUST always be set. Of course it must be set, how can it not be. You need to be more specific and precise in your description. Like what's the value of the source address in the Assert message. >> wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). I think you are confusing matters. The original question was asking about the source address of the Assert. You seemed to answer the question in that context. So that is why I'm confused. >> set. A (*,G) assert is identified as a wildcard by the presence of a >> wc bit in the message and may have a non INADDR_ANY S in the (S,G). This is clear as mud. Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:24:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01550 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFt-0006jf-61; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFU-0006gw-SN for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01513 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFS-00013T-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFS-000137-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 23:20:57 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SMN1iw011589; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> To: Dino Farinacci cc: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 PST." <200310282206.h9SM6eFj003938@dino-pc.procket.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dino Farinacci writes: > I think you are confusing matters. The original question was asking > about the source address of the Assert. You seemed to answer the question > in that context. So that is why I'm confused. OK lets be more specific. The assert packet format in the current spec is defined in "4.10.6. Assert Message Format". One of the fields *in the pim assert message* is the "Source Address (Encoded-Unicast format)". I think the question was asking why this addres may be something other than INADDR_ANY for (*,G) asserts. The answer is: (*,G) asserts are identified by the R bit in the assert message: "R RPT-bit is a 1 bit value. The RPT-bit is set to 1 for Assert(*,G) messages and 0 for Assert(S,G) messages." Hence a (*,G) assert MAY have the Source Address field set to the source address of the data packet that triggered the assert for the optimisation reason in my first message. Now if you think the question was about something else then please explain what this is along with the answer :-) thanks Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:24:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01565 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFy-0006lN-3H for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SMO641025990 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFx-0006l6-TK for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01536 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFv-000143-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFv-000140-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFt-0006jf-61; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcFU-0006gw-SN for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01513 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFS-00013T-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcFS-000137-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 23:20:57 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SMN1iw011589; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> To: Dino Farinacci cc: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:06:40 PST." <200310282206.h9SM6eFj003938@dino-pc.procket.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dino Farinacci writes: > I think you are confusing matters. The original question was asking > about the source address of the Assert. You seemed to answer the question > in that context. So that is why I'm confused. OK lets be more specific. The assert packet format in the current spec is defined in "4.10.6. Assert Message Format". One of the fields *in the pim assert message* is the "Source Address (Encoded-Unicast format)". I think the question was asking why this addres may be something other than INADDR_ANY for (*,G) asserts. The answer is: (*,G) asserts are identified by the R bit in the assert message: "R RPT-bit is a 1 bit value. The RPT-bit is set to 1 for Assert(*,G) messages and 0 for Assert(S,G) messages." Hence a (*,G) assert MAY have the Source Address field set to the source address of the data packet that triggered the assert for the optimisation reason in my first message. Now if you think the question was about something else then please explain what this is along with the answer :-) thanks Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:35:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02643 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcQY-0008N7-3u; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcQV-0008Mb-R9 for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02598 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcQT-0001Pi-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:57 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcQS-0001PA-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:56 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9T0cmOt099253; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SMY8YB021845; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SMY8Se004470; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282234.h9SMY8Se004470@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> Now if you think the question was about something else then please >> explain what this is along with the answer :-) No, everything is clear now. There were a lot of broken references and you don't want me to go down that path. Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:35:55 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02682 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcR6-0008TW-MX for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:37 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SMZaSk032572 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcR6-0008TH-HH for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02637 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcR4-0001QX-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:34 -0500 Received: from sausage.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcR3-0001QP-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEcR2-0008GR-4K for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcQY-0008N7-3u; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:35:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcQV-0008Mb-R9 for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02598 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcQT-0001Pi-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:57 -0500 Received: from dmz2.procket.com ([65.174.124.37]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcQS-0001PA-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:34:56 -0500 Received: from miata.procket.com (zeus-d-1.procket.com [65.174.124.60]) by dmz2.procket.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9T0cmOt099253; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (dino-pc.procket.com [10.4.17.33]) by miata.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h9SMY8YB021845; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id h9SMY8Se004470; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:08 -0800 Message-Id: <200310282234.h9SMY8Se004470@dino-pc.procket.com> From: Dino Farinacci To: kouvelas@cisco.com CC: kouvelas@cisco.com, smiley_raj@excite.com, pim@ietf.org In-reply-to: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> (message from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:23:01 -0800) Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert References: <200310282223.h9SMN1iw011589@sj-core-2.cisco.com> Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >> Now if you think the question was about something else then please >> explain what this is along with the answer :-) No, everything is clear now. There were a lot of broken references and you don't want me to go down that path. Dino _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:48:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03639 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcd7-0001qq-Fr; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEccv-0001pA-WA for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03568 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcct-0001mx-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from catarina.usc.edu ([204.57.0.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEccs-0001mR-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:46 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SMlFLT046552 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kouvelas@cisco.com) Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 14:45:52 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SMl5jP009244; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> To: SUZUKI Shinsuke cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: Re: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:52:00 +0900." Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:07 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , SUZUKI Shinsuke writes: >Hello all, > >There are three comments regarding the interface-address-list option, >which is newly introduced in this new draft. > > >[editorial comment] >1) section 4.1.6 (p.25) > Note that a neighbor's IP address may not be unique within the > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PIM neighbor database due to scope issues. The address must > however be unique amongst the addresses of all the PIM > neighbors on a specific interface. > >I think the underlined part should be "be non-unique". Since "may not >be unique" sounds like "not allowed to be unique", and what is trying >to be mentioned here is "a neighbor's IP address can be different >place by place within the PIM neighbor database". Yes will fix. >[clarifications] >2) Section 4.3.1 (p.30) > "The Interface_Address_List Option SHOULD be included in all > IPv4 Hello messages and MUST be included in all IPv6 Hello > messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses > associated with the source interface of the router originating > the message." > >Does it mean that it MUST advertise this option with option-len = 0, >even when there's no secondary IPv6 address on a link (i.e. only one >link-local address is assigned)? > >I don't think it's a necessary in such a case, so IMHO it would be >better to change this section like this. > > The Interface_Address_List Option MUST be included in all > Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary > addresses associated with the source interface of the router > originating the message. If there is no secondary address > associated with the source interface, this option MAY be > omitted. I will change the text in the spec to reflect you comment. >3) Section 4.3.4 > The primary address of the source interface of the router MUST > NOT be listed within the Address List Hello option. > >When the address is included within this Hello option, what should be >discarded on the receiving router? > a) Whole Hello message > b) All the interface-address-list option > c) The primary address included in the interface-address-list option > >I think c) is correct, but it's ambiguous from the above description, >so it would be better to add a clarification statement here. Agree. Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Oct 28 17:48:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03661 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcdE-0001sW-SY for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9SMm81C007221 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcdE-0001sO-7O for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03588 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcdB-0001nd-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcdB-0001na-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEcd7-0001qq-Fr; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEccv-0001pA-WA for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03568 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEcct-0001mx-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from catarina.usc.edu ([204.57.0.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEccs-0001mR-00 for pim@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:47:46 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SMlFLT046552 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kouvelas@cisco.com) Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2003 14:45:52 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [128.107.162.231]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9SMl5jP009244; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> To: SUZUKI Shinsuke cc: pim@catarina.usc.edu Subject: Re: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:52:00 +0900." Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:07 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , SUZUKI Shinsuke writes: >Hello all, > >There are three comments regarding the interface-address-list option, >which is newly introduced in this new draft. > > >[editorial comment] >1) section 4.1.6 (p.25) > Note that a neighbor's IP address may not be unique within the > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PIM neighbor database due to scope issues. The address must > however be unique amongst the addresses of all the PIM > neighbors on a specific interface. > >I think the underlined part should be "be non-unique". Since "may not >be unique" sounds like "not allowed to be unique", and what is trying >to be mentioned here is "a neighbor's IP address can be different >place by place within the PIM neighbor database". Yes will fix. >[clarifications] >2) Section 4.3.1 (p.30) > "The Interface_Address_List Option SHOULD be included in all > IPv4 Hello messages and MUST be included in all IPv6 Hello > messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses > associated with the source interface of the router originating > the message." > >Does it mean that it MUST advertise this option with option-len = 0, >even when there's no secondary IPv6 address on a link (i.e. only one >link-local address is assigned)? > >I don't think it's a necessary in such a case, so IMHO it would be >better to change this section like this. > > The Interface_Address_List Option MUST be included in all > Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary > addresses associated with the source interface of the router > originating the message. If there is no secondary address > associated with the source interface, this option MAY be > omitted. I will change the text in the spec to reflect you comment. >3) Section 4.3.4 > The primary address of the source interface of the router MUST > NOT be listed within the Address List Hello option. > >When the address is included within this Hello option, what should be >discarded on the receiving router? > a) Whole Hello message > b) All the interface-address-list option > c) The primary address included in the interface-address-list option > >I think c) is correct, but it's ambiguous from the above description, >so it would be better to add a clarification statement here. Agree. Isidor _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 05:19:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01645 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnPr-0005TA-GK; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnPY-0005Rr-Nc for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01623 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnPV-0005al-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:41 -0500 Received: from nn2.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.56] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnPU-0005ae-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:40 -0500 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 68BD6BF60; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0500 (EST) To: kouvelas@cisco.com Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert Received: from [203.197.138.194] by xprdmailfe13.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5613c7ba96850745f9a70eb170e76f3c Reply-To: smiley_raj@excite.com From: "smiley_raj@excite.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: smiley_raj@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pim@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031029101811.68BD6BF60@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much. I have one more doubt. Consider the following scenario. R1 R2 | | | | ---------------- | | R3 In the above case consider both R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G) or (S, G). Asserts will then happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider R2 wins the assert hence R1 will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R1 consider that after some time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into "No Info State" due to "could Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear that R2 has no worries and can forward traffic on the lan even without the help of Assert state machine. But to my understanding Draft provides no method by which R2 can forget about its assert state machine and start forwarding on the lan. Why wasnt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to the implementor? Please forgive me and point me to the section if such technique already exists in the draft. Thanks in advance rajesh. --- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com > wrote: From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com] To: smiley_raj@excite.com Cc: pim@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert
If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link
by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY
source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is
that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will
not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.
The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the
router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and
the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert.
By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert
you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G)
state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay.

Isidor

"smiley_raj@excite.com" writes:
>
>Hi all,
>Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source addre
>ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't! it be said th
>at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a
> (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY.
>Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain ba
>ckward compatability?
>Thanks in advance
>Rajesh.
>
>
>
>
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_______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Oct 29 05:19:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01660 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnQ6-0005Un-Nj for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9TAJIBB021115 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnQ4-0005UR-4N for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01632 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnQ0-0005b0-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnQ0-0005av-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnPr-0005TA-GK; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:19:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEnPY-0005Rr-Nc for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01623 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnPV-0005al-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:41 -0500 Received: from nn2.excitenetwork.com ([207.159.120.56] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEnPU-0005ae-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:40 -0500 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 68BD6BF60; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0500 (EST) To: kouvelas@cisco.com Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert Received: from [203.197.138.194] by xprdmailfe13.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 5613c7ba96850745f9a70eb170e76f3c Reply-To: smiley_raj@excite.com From: "smiley_raj@excite.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: smiley_raj@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pim@ietf.org Message-Id: <20031029101811.68BD6BF60@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much. I have one more doubt. Consider the following scenario. R1 R2 | | | | ---------------- | | R3 In the above case consider both R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G) or (S, G). Asserts will then happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider R2 wins the assert hence R1 will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R1 consider that after some time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into "No Info State" due to "could Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear that R2 has no worries and can forward traffic on the lan even without the help of Assert state machine. But to my understanding Draft provides no method by which R2 can forget about its assert state machine and start forwarding on the lan. Why wasnt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to the implementor? Please forgive me and point me to the section if such technique already exists in the draft. Thanks in advance rajesh. --- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com > wrote: From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com] To: smiley_raj@excite.com Cc: pim@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert
If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link
by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY
source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is
that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will
not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.
The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the
router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and
the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert.
By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert
you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G)
state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay.

Isidor

"smiley_raj@excite.com" writes:
>
>Hi all,
>Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source addre
>ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't! it be said th
>at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olist of a
> (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY.
>Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maintain ba
>ckward compatability?
>Thanks in advance
>Rajesh.
>
>
>
>
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_______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 11:40:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18000 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEtMX-0005z6-So; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:40:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AErDO-0003d2-HH for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08980 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErDM-0001a9-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:24 -0500 Received: from gate13.itt.com ([151.190.254.108] helo=fwetgfw3r.itt.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AErDC-0001ZT-00 for pim@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:14 -0500 Received: from no.name.available by fwetgfw3r.itt.com via smtpd (for ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:14 -0500 Received: from ACDNJMAILSRV02.acd.de.ittind.com ([151.190.3.218]) by njbridge.avionics.de.ittind.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:21:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C39E28.036F1D80" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2CA4524FA012F14BAE5D896D492B386810175F@ACDNJMAILSRV02.acd.de.ittind.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: PIM MIB Draft Thread-Index: AcOeKANe2zyamX2ITFqxjEMi3Whxyw== From: "Nicholas, Jonathan" To: Subject: [pim] PIM MIB Draft Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C39E28.036F1D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Tom asked me to send this to the list. 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text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA28333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, you are right, when R1 assert looser state goes in to No_INFO state = still the R2 will be sending the assert winner message on the network acc= ording to the present draft. =20 I could see two ways=20 =20 1. Continue sending the assert winner message on the LAN even the loser g= oes off. =20 Advantage: 1. Even when the node looses the first assert messages of its neighbor, s= ince it send winner message continuously so it will recover by listening = to the assert message second time or further (here dead lock situation wo= n't be there). =20 =20 Disadvantage: 1. It will be sending the Assert winner message irrespective of the prese= nce of assert interested nodes. =20 =20 2. Change the state machine little bit to check whether any asserting nod= e is present in the LAN for the given (S,G)/(*,G) and than the winner sho= uld send the assert message. It can be done as follows. =20 a. In (S,G) Assert state machine Previous version:=20 When the Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if T= imer expires than follow the action [A3] Action for [5] is =93Delete assert info=94 =20 Changed version:=20 When the Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if T= imer Expires And if any assert node is available than follow the action [= A3] Action for [5] would be =93Delete assert info=94 and =93send a Assert = Cancel (S,G)=94 =20 NOTE: any assert node is available will be set when any one of its ne= ighbor in that interface sends an assert message. Any assert node is available will be reset when there is no nod= e is interested on assert on the same interface (when any node sends Asse= rt cancel message or that particular neighbor goes off than it means that= , that particular node is not interested on the assert). b. Same thing should be done (*,G) Assert state machine. =20 Advantage: 1. When there is no node interested on assert other than my node than it = won't send any assert winner message, which will reduce the traffic on th= e node. =20 Disadvantage: 1. When any node losses the first assert message from its neighbor than t= here will be more than one assert winner on the same node (both will be i= n dead lock situation) 2. It needs to maintain the other assert node information also. =20 =20 So this is the call which we need to take, is that we are concern about= traffic due a single Assert winner message or prevent possible dead lock= situation and burden of maintaining the assert information of other node= s on the same interface, which I have mentioned above. =20 I would like to go with the first option where we can continue with th= e existing one, where we keep sending Assert winner message even there is= no other Assert node interested on that LAN. =20 Comments are welcome. Jags "smiley_raj@excite.com" wrote: Thank you very much. I have one more doubt. Consider the following scenario. R1 R2 | | | | ----------------=20 | | R3 In the above case consider both R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G= ) or (S, G). Asserts will then happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider = R2 wins the assert hence R1 will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R= 1 consider that after some time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into = "No Info State" due to "could Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear th= at R2 has no worries and can forward traffic on the lan even without the = help of Assert state machine. But to my understanding Draft provides no m= ethod by which R2 can forget about its assert state machine and start for= warding on the lan. Why wasnt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to t= he implementor? Please forgive me and point me to the section if such technique already e= xists in the draft. Thanks in advance rajesh. --- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com > wrote: From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com] To: smiley_raj@excite.com Cc: pim@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert=20 If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.=20 The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. Isidor "smiley_raj@excite.com" writes: > >Hi all, >Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source= addre >ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't! it be said th >at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olis= t of a > (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. >Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maint= ain ba >ckward compatability? >Thanks in advance >Rajesh. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > >_______________________________________________ >pim mailing list >pim@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your profile. --0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA28333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, you are right, when R1 assert looser state goes in= to No_INFO state still the R2 will be sending the assert winner message = on the network according to the present draft.

 

  I= could see two ways

 

1. Continue sending the assert winner message on the LA= N even the loser goes off.

 

Advantage:

1. Even when the node looses the first assert messages = of its neighbor, since it send winner message continuously so it will rec= over by listening to the assert message second time or further (here dead= lock situation won't be there).

 

 

Disadvantage:

1. It will be sending the Assert winner message irrespe= ctive of the presence of assert interested nodes.

 

 

2. Change the state machine little bit to check whether= any asserting node is present in the LAN for the given (S,G)/(*,G) and t= han the winner should send the assert message. It can be done as follows.=

 

a. In (S,G) Assert state machine

   Previous version:

  1. When t= he Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if Timer expi= res than follow the action [A3]
  2. Action= for [5] is =93Delete assert info=94

 

   Changed version:

  1. When t= he Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if Timer Expi= res And if any assert node is available than follow the action [A3]
  2. Action= for [5] would be =93Delete assert info=94 and =93send a Assert Cancel (S= ,G)=94

=  

  &nb= sp; NOTE: any assert node is available will be set when any one of= its neighbor in that interface sends an assert message.

  &nb= sp;       Any assert node is availab= le will be reset when there is no node is interested on assert on the sam= e interface (when any node sends Assert cancel message or that particular= neighbor goes off than it means that, that particular node is not intere= sted on the assert).

b. Same thing should be done (*,G) Assert state machine= .

   <= /SPAN>

Advantage:

1. When there is no node interested on assert other tha= n my node than it won't send any assert winner message, which will reduce= the traffic on the node.

 

Disadvantage:

1. When any node losses the first assert message from i= ts neighbor than there will be more than one assert winner on the same no= de (both will be in dead lock situation)

2. It needs to maintain the other assert node informati= on also.

 

 

  S= o this is the call which we need to take, is that we are concern about tr= affic due a single Assert winner message or prevent possible dead lock si= tuation and burden of maintaining the assert information of other nodes o= n the same interface, which I have mentioned above.

 

   I would like to go with the first option where we can continue with = the existing one, where we keep sending Assert winner message even there = is no other Assert node interested on that LAN.

 

  Comments are welcome.

Jags



"smiley_raj@excite.com" <smiley_raj@excite.com><= /I> wrote:

Thank you very much.
I have one mo= re doubt. Consider the following scenario.

R1 R2
| |
| |
= ----------------
|
|
R3


In the above case consider b= oth R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G) or (S,, G). Asserts will t= hen happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider R2 wins the assert hence R1= will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R1 consider that after some = time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into "No Info State" due to "cou= ld Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear that R2 has no worries and ca= n forward traffic on the lan even without the help of Assert state machin= e. But to my understanding Draft provides no method by which R2 can forge= t about its assert state machine and start forwarding on the lan. Why was= nt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to the implementor?
Please f= orgive me and point me to the section if such technique already exists in the draft.

Thanks in advance
rajes= h.


--- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com &= gt; wrote:
From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com]To: = smiley_raj@excite.com
Cc: pim@ietf.org
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51= :13 -0800
Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert

=
If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the lin= k
by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY=
source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason i= s
that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it wil= l
not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.
The forwar= ding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the
router with th= e (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and
the router with= the (S,G) state responds with the assert.
By providing the source add= ress of the data packet in the (*,G) assert
you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G)
state t= o respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay.

Isido= r

"smiley_raj@excite.com" writes:
>
>Hi all,
>Wh= y does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source ad= dre
>ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can= 't!
it be said th
>at the Source address in the assert for data = packet arriving on the olist of a
> (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY= .
>Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required = to maintain ba
>ckward compatability?
>Thanks in advance
&= gt;Rajesh.
>
>
>
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Post your profile. --0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127-- _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Oct 30 01:42:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28367 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF6Ve-000379-Km for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h9U6gIjM011965 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF6Vd-00036u-Or for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28336 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF6Va-00063p-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:14 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF6VZ-00063j-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF6VN-00035Z-Lx; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AF6VL-00035L-6I for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28332 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF6VH-00063e-00 for pim@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:55 -0500 Received: from web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.199.70.114]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AF6VG-00062f-00 for pim@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20031030064123.72725.qmail@web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.200.49.220] by web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:41:23 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:41:23 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rajamanickam=20jaganbabu?= Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert To: smiley_raj@excite.com, kouvelas@cisco.com Cc: pim@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20031029101811.68BD6BF60@xmxpita.excite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127" Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA28333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, you are right, when R1 assert looser state goes in to No_INFO state = still the R2 will be sending the assert winner message on the network acc= ording to the present draft. =20 I could see two ways=20 =20 1. Continue sending the assert winner message on the LAN even the loser g= oes off. =20 Advantage: 1. Even when the node looses the first assert messages of its neighbor, s= ince it send winner message continuously so it will recover by listening = to the assert message second time or further (here dead lock situation wo= n't be there). =20 =20 Disadvantage: 1. It will be sending the Assert winner message irrespective of the prese= nce of assert interested nodes. =20 =20 2. Change the state machine little bit to check whether any asserting nod= e is present in the LAN for the given (S,G)/(*,G) and than the winner sho= uld send the assert message. It can be done as follows. =20 a. In (S,G) Assert state machine Previous version:=20 When the Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if T= imer expires than follow the action [A3] Action for [5] is =93Delete assert info=94 =20 Changed version:=20 When the Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if T= imer Expires And if any assert node is available than follow the action [= A3] Action for [5] would be =93Delete assert info=94 and =93send a Assert = Cancel (S,G)=94 =20 NOTE: any assert node is available will be set when any one of its ne= ighbor in that interface sends an assert message. Any assert node is available will be reset when there is no nod= e is interested on assert on the same interface (when any node sends Asse= rt cancel message or that particular neighbor goes off than it means that= , that particular node is not interested on the assert). b. Same thing should be done (*,G) Assert state machine. =20 Advantage: 1. When there is no node interested on assert other than my node than it = won't send any assert winner message, which will reduce the traffic on th= e node. =20 Disadvantage: 1. When any node losses the first assert message from its neighbor than t= here will be more than one assert winner on the same node (both will be i= n dead lock situation) 2. It needs to maintain the other assert node information also. =20 =20 So this is the call which we need to take, is that we are concern about= traffic due a single Assert winner message or prevent possible dead lock= situation and burden of maintaining the assert information of other node= s on the same interface, which I have mentioned above. =20 I would like to go with the first option where we can continue with th= e existing one, where we keep sending Assert winner message even there is= no other Assert node interested on that LAN. =20 Comments are welcome. Jags "smiley_raj@excite.com" wrote: Thank you very much. I have one more doubt. Consider the following scenario. R1 R2 | | | | ----------------=20 | | R3 In the above case consider both R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G= ) or (S, G). Asserts will then happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider = R2 wins the assert hence R1 will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R= 1 consider that after some time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into = "No Info State" due to "could Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear th= at R2 has no worries and can forward traffic on the lan even without the = help of Assert state machine. But to my understanding Draft provides no m= ethod by which R2 can forget about its assert state machine and start for= warding on the lan. Why wasnt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to t= he implementor? Please forgive me and point me to the section if such technique already e= xists in the draft. Thanks in advance rajesh. --- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com > wrote: From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com] To: smiley_raj@excite.com Cc: pim@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert=20 If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the link by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason is that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it will not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.=20 The forwarding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the router with the (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and the router with the (S,G) state responds with the assert. By providing the source address of the data packet in the (*,G) assert you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G) state to respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay. Isidor "smiley_raj@excite.com" writes: > >Hi all, >Why does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source= addre >ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can't! it be said th >at the Source address in the assert for data packet arriving on the olis= t of a > (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY. >Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required to maint= ain ba >ckward compatability? >Thanks in advance >Rajesh. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > >_______________________________________________ >pim mailing list >pim@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your profile. --0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id BAA28333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, you are right, when R1 assert looser state goes in= to No_INFO state still the R2 will be sending the assert winner message = on the network according to the present draft.

 

  I= could see two ways

 

1. Continue sending the assert winner message on the LA= N even the loser goes off.

 

Advantage:

1. Even when the node looses the first assert messages = of its neighbor, since it send winner message continuously so it will rec= over by listening to the assert message second time or further (here dead= lock situation won't be there).

 

 

Disadvantage:

1. It will be sending the Assert winner message irrespe= ctive of the presence of assert interested nodes.

 

 

2. Change the state machine little bit to check whether= any asserting node is present in the LAN for the given (S,G)/(*,G) and t= han the winner should send the assert message. It can be done as follows.=

 

a. In (S,G) Assert state machine

   Previous version:

  1. When t= he Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if Timer expi= res than follow the action [A3]
  2. Action= for [5] is =93Delete assert info=94

 

   Changed version:

  1. When t= he Assert state machine is in "Iam Assert Winner" state and if Timer Expi= res And if any assert node is available than follow the action [A3]
  2. Action= for [5] would be =93Delete assert info=94 and =93send a Assert Cancel (S= ,G)=94

=  

  &nb= sp; NOTE: any assert node is available will be set when any one of= its neighbor in that interface sends an assert message.

  &nb= sp;       Any assert node is availab= le will be reset when there is no node is interested on assert on the sam= e interface (when any node sends Assert cancel message or that particular= neighbor goes off than it means that, that particular node is not intere= sted on the assert).

b. Same thing should be done (*,G) Assert state machine= .

   <= /SPAN>

Advantage:

1. When there is no node interested on assert other tha= n my node than it won't send any assert winner message, which will reduce= the traffic on the node.

 

Disadvantage:

1. When any node losses the first assert message from i= ts neighbor than there will be more than one assert winner on the same no= de (both will be in dead lock situation)

2. It needs to maintain the other assert node informati= on also.

 

 

  S= o this is the call which we need to take, is that we are concern about tr= affic due a single Assert winner message or prevent possible dead lock si= tuation and burden of maintaining the assert information of other nodes o= n the same interface, which I have mentioned above.

 

   I would like to go with the first option where we can continue with = the existing one, where we keep sending Assert winner message even there = is no other Assert node interested on that LAN.

 

  Comments are welcome.

Jags



"smiley_raj@excite.com" <smiley_raj@excite.com><= /I> wrote:

Thank you very much.
I have one mo= re doubt. Consider the following scenario.

R1 R2
| |
| |
= ----------------
|
|
R3


In the above case consider b= oth R1 and R2 had down stream state for (*, G) or (S,, G). Asserts will t= hen happen between R1 and R2. Let us consider R2 wins the assert hence R1= will go to "Iam Assert Loser" state. But in R1 consider that after some = time the Assert state machine of R1 goes into "No Info State" due to "cou= ld Assert" becoming false . Now it is clear that R2 has no worries and ca= n forward traffic on the lan even without the help of Assert state machin= e. But to my understanding Draft provides no method by which R2 can forge= t about its assert state machine and start forwarding on the lan. Why was= nt it taken care in the draft. Is it left to the implementor?
Please f= orgive me and point me to the section if such technique already exists in the draft.

Thanks in advance
rajes= h.


--- On Tue 10/28, Isidor Kouvelas < kouvelas@cisco.com &= gt; wrote:
From: Isidor Kouvelas [mailto: kouvelas@cisco.com]To: = smiley_raj@excite.com
Cc: pim@ietf.org
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:51= :13 -0800
Subject: Re: [pim] Small doubt regarding the assert

=
If the data packet that triggered the assert was forwarded on the lin= k
by a router with (S,G) state, then a (*,G) assert with an INADDR_ANY=
source address will not resolve the forwarding conflict. The reason i= s
that when the router with the (S,G) state receives the assert it wil= l
not know that it has to respons with an (S,G) assert.
The forwar= ding conflict will have to wait to be resolved when the
router with th= e (*,G) state forwards a data packet onto the link and
the router with= the (S,G) state responds with the assert.
By providing the source add= ress of the data packet in the (*,G) assert
you optimise this behaviour by allowing the router with the (S,G)
state t= o respond immediately thus eliminating the additional delay.

Isido= r

"smiley_raj@excite.com" writes:
>
>Hi all,
>Wh= y does the draft state that. For the data triggered asserts the source ad= dre
>ss MAY be set to the actual source of the data packet. Why can= 't!
it be said th
>at the Source address in the assert for data = packet arriving on the olist of a
> (*, G) state MUST be INADDR_ANY= .
>Can I know the reason why it should be that way. Is it required = to maintain ba
>ckward compatability?
>Thanks in advance
&= gt;Rajesh.
>
>
>
>
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Post your profile. --0-1962368603-1067496083=:71127-- _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Thu Oct 30 05:41:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16619 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFAEf-0003OF-To; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:41:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFADy-0003KB-O9 for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:40:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16576 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFADv-000102-00 for pim@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:40:15 -0500 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.33]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFADu-0000zh-00 for pim@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:40:14 -0500 Received: from talaulikar@netscape.net by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id f.101.b1a59d6 (16225); Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.net (mow-d14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.130]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v97.8) with ESMTP id MAILININ21-3f613fa0ea6d2e0; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:39:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:39:41 -0500 From: talaulikar@netscape.net (Ketan TALAULIKAR) To: Jonathan.Nicholas@itt.com ("Nicholas, Jonathan") Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: RE: [pim] PIM MIB Draft MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3C2C90A2.5780FE1B.1061F75E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 195.207.101.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id FAA16577 Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ALL, Follow my comments on the PIM MIB draft. 1) General : How about introducing configuration for Static RPs - somethi= ng that is very widely used in the Internet today ? 2) General : In line with the evolution of the PIM-SM spec for IPv6 suppo= rt, should we not make changes for IPv6 in the MIB as well ? 3) General : How about including configuration for BIDIR-PIM operations ? 4) General : How about inclusion of a new compliance group for BSR operat= ions and separating it from the SM group ? This would allow implementatio= n that do not implement BSR to claim compliance to the SM related portion= s. 5) Node or domain level configuration for Hello Interval on the lines of = Join-Prune interval. 6) Isnt the pimInterfaceHelloHoldtime object redundant ? The PIM-SM spec = states that the holdtime should be 3.5 times the Hello interval and hence= the hold time can always be derived from the Hello interval configured. = The same argument also applies to pimInterfaceJoinPruneHoldtime.=20 7) The PIM-SM specification states that the GENID option SHOULD be used w= hile the PIM-DM says it MAY be used. Why this difference ? Are there any = interop issues with this ? 8) The pimNeighborDRPresent, I assume, refers to the DR Priority Hello op= tion ? This is not very clear from the object name and the description. 9) Should there not be an object in the pimInterfaceTable that specifies = the component to which interface belongs ? Supporting multiple instance c= onfiguration in the MIB using the pimComponentTable provides only *half-w= ay* support for multiple instances. 10) The description of the pimNeighborLoss object has been confusing to m= e. *This trap should be generated when the neighbor timer expires, and th= e router has no other neighbors on the same interface with a lower IP add= ress than itself.* Any reason for not triggering this trap for any neighb= or loss ? Would welcome views on the above. Ketan =20 "Nicholas, Jonathan" wrote: >All, > >Tom asked me to send this to the list. =A0It is the same as the previous= draft except for cosmetic changes (dates, etc.) > >Jonathan Nicholas >Network Systems Engineer >ITT Aerospace/Communications Division > > <> >************************************ >This email and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intende= d solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are address= ed. 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This would allow implementatio= n that do not implement BSR to claim compliance to the SM related portion= s. 5) Node or domain level configuration for Hello Interval on the lines of = Join-Prune interval. 6) Isnt the pimInterfaceHelloHoldtime object redundant ? The PIM-SM spec = states that the holdtime should be 3.5 times the Hello interval and hence= the hold time can always be derived from the Hello interval configured. = The same argument also applies to pimInterfaceJoinPruneHoldtime.=20 7) The PIM-SM specification states that the GENID option SHOULD be used w= hile the PIM-DM says it MAY be used. Why this difference ? Are there any = interop issues with this ? 8) The pimNeighborDRPresent, I assume, refers to the DR Priority Hello op= tion ? This is not very clear from the object name and the description. 9) Should there not be an object in the pimInterfaceTable that specifies = the component to which interface belongs ? Supporting multiple instance c= onfiguration in the MIB using the pimComponentTable provides only *half-w= ay* support for multiple instances. 10) The description of the pimNeighborLoss object has been confusing to m= e. *This trap should be generated when the neighbor timer expires, and th= e router has no other neighbors on the same interface with a lower IP add= ress than itself.* Any reason for not triggering this trap for any neighb= or loss ? Would welcome views on the above. Ketan =20 "Nicholas, Jonathan" wrote: >All, > >Tom asked me to send this to the list. =A0It is the same as the previous= draft except for cosmetic changes (dates, etc.) > >Jonathan Nicholas >Network Systems Engineer >ITT Aerospace/Communications Division > > <> >************************************ >This email and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intende= d solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are address= ed. 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=3D380455 _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From pim-admin@ietf.org Fri Oct 31 19:28:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26548 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjcW-0000nd-R4; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjc4-0000m9-Hr for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26509 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjc2-0001q5-00 for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:30 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjc2-0001q2-00 for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:30 -0500 Received: from catarina.usc.edu ([204.57.0.1]) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFjc3-0006xa-CZ for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:32 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hA10PiLT059723 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA10PQi17292; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311010025.hA10PQi17292@merlot.juniper.net> To: Isidor Kouvelas cc: SUZUKI Shinsuke , pim@catarina.usc.edu, pusateri@juniper.net Subject: Re: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt In-Reply-To: Message from Isidor Kouvelas of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:07 PST." <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <71182.1067646326.1@juniper.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0800 From: Tom Pusateri Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In message <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> you write: > >>[clarifications] >>2) Section 4.3.1 (p.30) >> "The Interface_Address_List Option SHOULD be included in all >> IPv4 Hello messages and MUST be included in all IPv6 Hello >> messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses >> associated with the source interface of the router originating >> the message." >> >>Does it mean that it MUST advertise this option with option-len = 0, >>even when there's no secondary IPv6 address on a link (i.e. only one >>link-local address is assigned)? >> >>I don't think it's a necessary in such a case, so IMHO it would be >>better to change this section like this. >> >> The Interface_Address_List Option MUST be included in all >> Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary >> addresses associated with the source interface of the router >> originating the message. If there is no secondary address >> associated with the source interface, this option MAY be >> omitted. > >I will change the text in the spec to reflect your comment. I was thinking it would be great to send the address list hello option regardless so that it is possible to tell that your neighbors all support it. This would make it easy to diagnose problems at the border between two domains. Tom _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Oct 31 19:28:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26563 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjcl-0000pM-Ec for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA10SFWK003174 for pim-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjcl-0000p7-3o for pim-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26522 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjcj-0001qX-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjci-0001qM-00 for pim-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjcW-0000nd-R4; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFjc4-0000m9-Hr for pim@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26509 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjc2-0001q5-00 for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:30 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFjc2-0001q2-00 for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:30 -0500 Received: from catarina.usc.edu ([204.57.0.1]) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AFjc3-0006xa-CZ for pim@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:27:32 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (natint2.juniper.net [207.17.136.150]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hA10PiLT059723 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hA10PQi17292; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pusateri@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200311010025.hA10PQi17292@merlot.juniper.net> To: Isidor Kouvelas cc: SUZUKI Shinsuke , pim@catarina.usc.edu, pusateri@juniper.net Subject: Re: [pim] some comments to draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-08.txt In-Reply-To: Message from Isidor Kouvelas of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:47:07 PST." <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <71182.1067646326.1@juniper.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:25:26 -0800 From: Tom Pusateri Sender: pim-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: pim-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , In message <200310282247.h9SMl5jP009244@sj-core-1.cisco.com> you write: > >>[clarifications] >>2) Section 4.3.1 (p.30) >> "The Interface_Address_List Option SHOULD be included in all >> IPv4 Hello messages and MUST be included in all IPv6 Hello >> messages. This option advertises all the secondary addresses >> associated with the source interface of the router originating >> the message." >> >>Does it mean that it MUST advertise this option with option-len = 0, >>even when there's no secondary IPv6 address on a link (i.e. only one >>link-local address is assigned)? >> >>I don't think it's a necessary in such a case, so IMHO it would be >>better to change this section like this. >> >> The Interface_Address_List Option MUST be included in all >> Hello messages. This option advertises all the secondary >> addresses associated with the source interface of the router >> originating the message. If there is no secondary address >> associated with the source interface, this option MAY be >> omitted. > >I will change the text in the spec to reflect your comment. I was thinking it would be great to send the address list hello option regardless so that it is possible to tell that your neighbors all support it. This would make it easy to diagnose problems at the border between two domains. Tom _______________________________________________ pim mailing list pim@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim