From stig@venaas.com Thu Jan 3 20:36:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6E221F860B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VI37ap+9GDOK for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBB321F8609 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.21.85.179] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49DB77FBB; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 05:36:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:38:32 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pim@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mike McBride Subject: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:36:50 -0000 At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg work item. Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly want members of multimob to participate. If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that this is reasonable. I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get a chance to voice their opinion. If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please do so by Thursday January 17th. Stig From william.atwood@concordia.ca Fri Jan 4 07:58:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016421F8870; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 07:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LgwFN4Wxrb8a; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 07:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119B021F8830; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 07:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r04Fw8cc001616; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <50E6FC13.8090802@concordia.ca> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:58:11 -0500 From: John William Atwood Organization: Concordia University, Montreal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pim@ietf.org References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> In-Reply-To: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2013/01/04 10:58:09 EST Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:58:31 -0000 I support the adoption of this draft in the PIM WG, as a working group item. I agree that PIM is the right place to do this work, because PIM WG has the mandate for work on IGMP/MLD, and because the work applies more generally than just to mobile environments. Bill On 1/3/2013 11:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting > working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do > an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg > work item. > > Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has > been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and > I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is > currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise > in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly > want members of multimob to participate. > > If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in > pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that > this is reasonable. > > I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get > a chance to voice their opinion. > > If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, > please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please > do so by Thursday January 17th. > > Stig > > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From prvs=709572797=schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Fri Jan 4 08:43:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D85621F8A67; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:43:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E+Uu01CPXf5l; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de (mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.6.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44C921F8947; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.30.74]) by mail3.is.haw-hamburg.de with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Jan 2013 17:43:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45B9105A75B; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:43:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22555-04; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:43:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.36] (g231226161.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.231.226.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5602F105A757; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:43:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E706BF.4020102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:43:43 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John William Atwood References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> <50E6FC13.8090802@concordia.ca> In-Reply-To: <50E6FC13.8090802@concordia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:28:27 -0800 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] [multimob] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:43:38 -0000 Hi Stig, Bill, I would also see this work rather in the PIM WG, as this asks for detailed IGMP/MLD knowledge ... Cheers, Thomas On 04.01.2013 16:58, John William Atwood wrote: > I support the adoption of this draft in the PIM WG, as a working group > item. I agree that PIM is the right place to do this work, because PIM > WG has the mandate for work on IGMP/MLD, and because the work applies > more generally than just to mobile environments. > > Bill > > On 1/3/2013 11:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: >> At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting >> working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do >> an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg >> work item. >> >> Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has >> been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and >> I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is >> currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise >> in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly >> want members of multimob to participate. >> >> If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in >> pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that >> this is reasonable. >> >> I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get >> a chance to voice their opinion. >> >> If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, >> please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please >> do so by Thursday January 17th. >> >> Stig >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pim mailing list >> pim@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Fri Jan 4 09:48:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2A721F8540; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:48:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vY5WlzZp1Lqt; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D123121F885C; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fn20so10208463lab.12 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:48:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/tTQmrurCbxRISmxp7C0rBRTMR2A6+nitFYkn3jDI6o=; b=vhPWDPNqz4TbYRytX50GK1D4lt7k9wkL0gttcrk7O62Wag90bnlfdXUpz9e/xZl6gf v/BKNqF3DFVLG74t3TVRszjzqZVtwfI/2CG3S9xKs0FqIimg5uOaDx2wa21V1ZK/K7FW bEhJd3rsFHTFp0nIedS+40zJbgr2EeD+pGfxiaXi0MCMzxhZL6ySGBBPUim+1J1+O99j sR/oFh/qAtHnzLL1WXx+4Ip0ZfiGMikPFFkKVUUUxjEOU9IZ39J5VgTWsrU7qTMdCFt7 0fMZyJ1wcXjZu6ffAqMB9GMxrvCnVjkJuF+B3lUIl1224xCDc98WhddxscSPIL1Dxm1G DZKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.199 with SMTP id x7mr21566253lbm.109.1357321690283; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.78.37 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:48:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E706BF.4020102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> <50E6FC13.8090802@concordia.ca> <50E706BF.4020102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:48:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554056831fe6704d27a1527 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:28:27 -0800 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] [multimob] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:48:14 -0000 --bcaec554056831fe6704d27a1527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I remember this draft very well. I had initiated writing version 00 and had solicited Mike to co-author it. Never realized that it would go to pim :-). BTW, I think there are problems with the affiliations of authors. Good luck. Behcet On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Thomas C. Schmidt < schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> wrote: > Hi Stig, Bill, > > I would also see this work rather in the PIM WG, as this asks for detaile= d > IGMP/MLD knowledge ... > > Cheers, > > Thomas > > > On 04.01.2013 16:58, John William Atwood wrote: > >> I support the adoption of this draft in the PIM WG, as a working group >> item. I agree that PIM is the right place to do this work, because PIM >> WG has the mandate for work on IGMP/MLD, and because the work applies >> more generally than just to mobile environments. >> >> Bill >> >> On 1/3/2013 11:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: >> >>> At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting >>> working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do >>> an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg >>> work item. >>> >>> Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has >>> been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and >>> I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is >>> currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise >>> in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly >>> want members of multimob to participate. >>> >>> If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in >>> pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that >>> this is reasonable. >>> >>> I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get >>> a chance to voice their opinion. >>> >>> If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, >>> please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please >>> do so by Thursday January 17th. >>> >>> Stig >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> pim mailing list >>> pim@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/pim >>> >> >> > -- > > Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt > =B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor= 7 =B0 > =B0 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germa= ny =B0 > =B0 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-84= 52=B0 > =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-**hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: > +49-40-42875-8409 =B0 > > ______________________________**_________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/multimob > --bcaec554056831fe6704d27a1527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I remember this draft very well.
I had initiated writing = version 00 and had solicited Mike to co-author it.

Never realized th= at it would go to pim :-).
BTW, I think there are problems with the affi= liations of authors.

Good luck.

Behcet

On Fri, Jan = 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Thomas C. Schmidt <schmidt@informatik= .haw-hamburg.de> wrote:
Hi Stig, Bill,

I would also see this work rather in the PIM WG, as this asks for detailed = IGMP/MLD knowledge ...

Cheers,

Thomas


On 04.01.2013 16:58, John William Atwood wrote:
I support the adoption of this draft in the PIM WG, as a working group
item. =A0I agree that PIM is the right place to do this work, because PIM WG has the mandate for work on IGMP/MLD, and because the work applies
more generally than just to mobile environments.

=A0 =A0Bill

On 1/3/2013 11:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting
working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do
an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg
work item.

Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has
been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and
I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is
currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise
in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly
want members of multimob to participate.

If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in
pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that this is reasonable.

I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get a chance to voice their opinion.

If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg,
please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please
do so by Thursday January 17th.

Stig

_______________________________________________
pim mailing list
pim@ietf.org
htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim


--

Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt
=B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 Berliner Tor 7 =B0
=B0 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group =A0 =A020099 Hamburg, Ger= many =B0
=B0 http://www= .haw-hamburg.de/inet =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Fon: +49= -40-42875-8452 =B0
=B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt =A0 =A0Fax: <= a href=3D"tel:%2B49-40-42875-8409" value=3D"+4940428758409" target=3D"_blan= k">+49-40-42875-8409 =B0

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--bcaec554056831fe6704d27a1527-- From mmcbride7@gmail.com Mon Jan 7 15:33:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC491F0CAF for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3lJjrjbLQeKS for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-da0-f48.google.com (mail-da0-f48.google.com [209.85.210.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B0B1F0CB3 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-da0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k18so8916949dae.35 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w+gXhkc+FKkIpZYdTk9KkOctNpaKBk8M/JsZXPBxoTo=; b=RV74V4GpXz/61JOOjH+9nWhnjrB4O1vWipfxN/ypB7w4Bd7gTDC5Ps9gDL2cnYoSNl dKTnmWh6r+gw1ldFOW36LcLVZ490fwulx173nEJq7O7rO8CNTNwtCmFHutkdf4a24ooN +feyY/ILDXRCUea59ku0a5Jk/Ts07gwqhqWJqbjuGl0JL5IRsAlxHy3hrV+IJm/4l97j ztxIV85pKVfpIjARJ9E+7FslnNxdz62ZrIXGnkljeMNRu83+vfF1wgaBBtyXTNjx0jv+ MDIJxjshN8S+ZeuwHL1JBD1P3ILDNLvkWIQ+UtQbu5fqVFmgj4+yvbgNRKPGxdZRbvUK Xcvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.69.0.74 with SMTP id aw10mr191012924pbd.87.1357601593869; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.143.233 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:33:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: Mike McBride To: pim@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:33:19 -0000 Happy New Year folks. Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? thanks, mike From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Wed Jan 9 00:50:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230C521F85DC for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 00:50:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhwTsyy-fayx for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 00:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ECB21F860A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 00:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [202.249.37.10]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC3612780EB; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:50:28 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:50:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130109.175027.255460587.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: stig@venaas.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mmcbride7@gmail.com, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:50:31 -0000 Hi, > At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting > working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do > an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg > work item. I'd like to just clarify one thing. It looks many contents describing in this draft are already included in rfc6636 (informational), which describes tuning IGMP/MLD timers and values used especially in mobile and wireless networks. What does WG expect to this document? I may say some cross layer approach, which is not included in both of 6636 and this draft, is interesting? Or beyond the scope? Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From mmcbride7@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:07:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCFE21F84BC for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M6eHj4ULPzht for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E987421F84BB for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj3so1272324pad.14 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ty6w1EXXQtlh7fi5UDs3LiFWS3HHOXDLfBvrfoJ5K8k=; b=gLlpxu/n8TkJx/YHbTNWlO+6npghLvZ3YOp1kB1LANHSDTDmZ2yX72Rj2tqOH8Jd4R BN3EiP0qcJ2ggqGdT+9Bc4Qny3LhMh+IaCTC9mvAZpOr0oT8qAGg+rpmUIS+Iq6JeruI 1YQHw7HoT1JiqIPMimZpW2b6C5UkmVXbMTy5WLbA/L4QB51qaTFbtPIrnGqjH3OcDmDH bT8rLkHANItCuwa2bY9bWRdLZ3mfTocMSBqxwEUlFprbBH8RHdSL9saH8GUXLLGwB9tX BKyfWqpHEpIfEONTC1WWl06uSlakrJmtvE2Z0TtBbDb4SohMnz8rau0RaMZwbZeJRoHT 7ljA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.88.37 with SMTP id bd5mr192891915pab.75.1357765622306; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.143.233 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130109.175027.255460587.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> <20130109.175027.255460587.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:07:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: Mike McBride To: Hitoshi Asaeda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:07:16 -0000 Hitoshi, If this work was to be adopted, we would add text from the referenced 6636 appendix. You will be added as author and we would invite others (especially multimob folks) who might want to help author. I would think adding a cross layer approach would be interesting and potentially in scope. My opinion is we work on these types of igmp/mld optimization drafts, for now, rather then going down the igmpv4 spec path. But, as Dino suggested at our last meeting, a new spec is certainly an option . thanks, mike On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Hitoshi Asaeda wrote: > Hi, > >> At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting >> working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do >> an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg >> work item. > > I'd like to just clarify one thing. > > It looks many contents describing in this draft are already included > in rfc6636 (informational), which describes tuning IGMP/MLD timers and > values used especially in mobile and wireless networks. > What does WG expect to this document? > > I may say some cross layer approach, which is not included in both of > 6636 and this draft, is interesting? Or beyond the scope? > > Regards, > -- > Hitoshi Asaeda From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Thu Jan 10 00:26:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C3221F89CB for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D0yiz70n4w0C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAED21F899D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [202.249.37.10]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE067278138; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:26:44 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:26:45 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130110.172645.38965639.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: mmcbride7@gmail.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> <20130109.175027.255460587.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:26:48 -0000 Mike, > If this work was to be adopted, we would add text from the referenced > 6636 appendix. You will be added as author and we would invite others > (especially multimob folks) who might want to help author. I would > think adding a cross layer approach would be interesting and > potentially in scope. It'd be necessary to provide unique information, guideline, or solution in this draft, to keep going. > My opinion is we work on these types of igmp/mld optimization drafts, > for now, rather then going down the igmpv4 spec path. But, as Dino > suggested at our last meeting, a new spec is certainly an option . Designing the new version will be sooner or later necessary, but I think this draft won't target on it. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From stig@venaas.com Thu Jan 10 11:50:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E29B21F8596; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:50:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M7KDaVbufw7n; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEA721F85AC; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.154.208.145] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B2A47FFE; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:50:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50EF1B9B.8050506@venaas.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:50:51 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> <50E6FC13.8090802@concordia.ca> <50E706BF.4020102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <50E706BF.4020102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] [multimob] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:50:59 -0000 On 1/4/2013 8:43 AM, Thomas C. Schmidt wrote: > Hi Stig, Bill, > > I would also see this work rather in the PIM WG, as this asks for > detailed IGMP/MLD knowledge ... Thanks. Thomas, and others, do you also support adoption of the current version as a pim WG document? Stig > > Cheers, > > Thomas > > On 04.01.2013 16:58, John William Atwood wrote: >> I support the adoption of this draft in the PIM WG, as a working group >> item. I agree that PIM is the right place to do this work, because PIM >> WG has the mandate for work on IGMP/MLD, and because the work applies >> more generally than just to mobile environments. >> >> Bill >> >> On 1/3/2013 11:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: >>> At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting >>> working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do >>> an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg >>> work item. >>> >>> Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has >>> been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and >>> I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is >>> currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise >>> in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly >>> want members of multimob to participate. >>> >>> If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in >>> pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that >>> this is reasonable. >>> >>> I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get >>> a chance to voice their opinion. >>> >>> If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, >>> please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please >>> do so by Thursday January 17th. >>> >>> Stig >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pim mailing list >>> pim@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim >> > From lenny@juniper.net Thu Jan 10 15:10:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673BF21F8552 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4jw3QZvhkCfS for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FA421F841D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUO9KdFNlk1588/FfHTnMD6apDziBqdQ2@postini.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:10:46 PST Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:06:41 -0800 Received: from eng-mail01.juniper.net (eng-mail01.juniper.net [172.17.28.114]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id r0AN6e398584; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lenny@juniper.net) Received: by eng-mail01.juniper.net (Postfix, from userid 1709) id B36521144E; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eng-mail01.juniper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90B511446; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:06:40 -0800 From: Leonard Giuliano To: Mike McBride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130110145614.L89862@eng-mail01.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:10:50 -0000 At the time this was initially submitted, it was suggested that explicit tracking was already implemented for years in a number of implementations with no apparent interop problems and it was not clear why this functionality needed to be specified and ought to be left up to the implementation. The fear was that unnecessary over-specification can reduce the flexibility of implementations and could produce a spec that was not backward compatible with existing implementations that worked just fine. The proposed compromise was to adopt the doc as informational, so folks could understand how explicit tracking worked, but not lead to over-specification and reduced flexibility for implementations. I still agree with this decision. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pim/current/msg02286.html -Lenny On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Mike McBride wrote: -) Happy New Year folks. -) -) Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational -) to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon -) adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be -) Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed -) to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change -) we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in -) favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? -) -) thanks, -) mike -) _______________________________________________ -) pim mailing list -) pim@ietf.org -) https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim -) From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Thu Jan 10 19:00:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6486821F87F3 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OC1VGSS7S2S4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63D221F87ED for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [202.249.37.10]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A76D27818D; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:00:26 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:00:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130111.120025.203587151.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: lenny@juniper.net From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <20130110145614.L89862@eng-mail01.juniper.net> References: <20130110145614.L89862@eng-mail01.juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:00:29 -0000 Lenny, > At the time this was initially submitted, it was suggested that explicit > tracking was already implemented for years in a number of implementations > with no apparent interop problems and it was not clear why this > functionality needed to be specified and ought to be left up to the > implementation. The fear was that unnecessary over-specification can > reduce the flexibility of implementations and could produce a spec that > was not backward compatible with existing implementations that worked just > fine. The proposed compromise was to adopt the doc as informational, so > folks could understand how explicit tracking worked, but not lead to > over-specification and reduced flexibility for implementations. I still > agree with this decision. There are some optimization funstions such as specific query suppression, which may not be implemented in some routers. You may say these functions are over-spec. But they are not over-spec. They are necessary functions and eager to be implememted especially in wireless environments. You can see the fact in rfc6636, draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile, which has just started adoption call, and other draft proposed in multimob. Note this draft does not prohibit not to implement such features. All these features, which can be omitted in some environments/ conditions, are defined as "optional". Then you can keep your implementation simple. Decision which features should be optional (i.e. use "MAY") was made by the discussions in the previous PIM WG meetings. Please read the latest draft and give me comments if you feel some other features, which you feel over-spec, should be also optional. We can then start the discussion about it in the list again. And the explicit tracking function will be the important feature for the future standard version of IGMP/MLD. There is no reason to keep it as informational. Specification of the explicit tracking function to be standard is necessary for the current and future needs. I believe they are the reason at the last meeting we agreed on moving it to proposed standard. (For your information, please check the minutes of the last meeting; http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/minutes/minutes-85-pim) Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From eckert@cisco.com Fri Jan 11 04:55:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AEA21F8843 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.335, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tm+THn-9TWtR for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA9C21F8825 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=835; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1357908919; x=1359118519; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=/toUkKcwbF9ZBM6oR/PrbVhN68BY181vwZdFcs+0jVY=; b=j7aMK+5TsjE8d9xo8O+WYlfLeDGZhAOkOu/shZItNVud7o5siDRx64f9 IE2WMNaY7+Ep5Sj7LPq9BqZv2Qwwo3o3F4yY5Ny2Opq5qFavWjqqN6qIf wrMKK6h4YXR5M7xkGObLTpbgXJTxkxy5sKKvbVVW78SjaqvvwgJqTkSX5 I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AocRANgJ8FCrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABEg0eCK7Z+AoEHFnOCHgEBAQQBAQE3NAsQCxgJJQ8FEzYTiBgNtGMEjT+Cf2EDiGCJd4MyAZBJgxY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,451,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="65960787" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2013 12:55:18 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0BCtIej018228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:55:18 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mdt-linux4 [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0BCtI00026314; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:18 -0800 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id r0BCtIlR026313; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:55:18 -0800 From: Toerless Eckert To: Mike McBride Message-ID: <20130111125517.GA32307@cisco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:55:19 -0000 I support this change (but i said this already in atlanta, so i am not the rest of you ;-). On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 03:33:13PM -0800, Mike McBride wrote: > Happy New Year folks. > > Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational > to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon > adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be > Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed > to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change > we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in > favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? > > thanks, > mike > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From eckert@cisco.com Fri Jan 11 04:58:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE8821F8843 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.252, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KZ1DxXaqvjza for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D85C21F8783 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2571; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1357909135; x=1359118735; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=NIU395cWyLnwL06dUaNADL3yYGbowP807fkQhd4Gz68=; b=bdFBWsFJucDEq4F6tZIsRvwOvyf62gg1wWGY7a0TcBfSFA5AdTaVriJq LwW2IWU0cZ64Ef57BgJQA/ZUz+OHdCvNc1/0+HwKC35SNP74bxXoxncar C7AA5ddrKll/qxSJ6ojBGVm9ChYVFWqKPdkacRwJ/Dtna3024IFkRWBKF o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUQACUM8FCrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABEg0e5KQKBBxZzghoEAQEBBAEBATc0CxALDgQGCSUPBRMiFBMJhUAHAYIqHQ20XYx3SIJ/YQOIYIl3gzIBkEmDFoFO X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,451,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="68537238" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2013 12:58:55 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0BCwsw9002849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:58:54 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mdt-linux4 [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0BCwstp026515; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:54 -0800 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id r0BCwsBm026514; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:58:54 -0800 From: Toerless Eckert To: Leonard Giuliano Message-ID: <20130111125854.GB32307@cisco.com> References: <20130110145614.L89862@eng-mail01.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130110145614.L89862@eng-mail01.juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Mike McBride , pim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:58:56 -0000 If you think three is any over-specification, then maybe that's feedback for the document itself ? I was hoping that the latest working was not over-specified. To me the biggest reason for going standards track is to enable us to build derivative work on standards track. For once there are manaement interfaces (MIBs), but also further simplifications/evolution to the IGMP/MLD protocol suite. If we could not even agree on the minimum requirements to explicitly track receivers i see a hard time ahead to make any further protocol improvements. Cheers Toerless On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 03:06:40PM -0800, Leonard Giuliano wrote: > > At the time this was initially submitted, it was suggested that explicit > tracking was already implemented for years in a number of implementations > with no apparent interop problems and it was not clear why this > functionality needed to be specified and ought to be left up to the > implementation. The fear was that unnecessary over-specification can > reduce the flexibility of implementations and could produce a spec that > was not backward compatible with existing implementations that worked just > fine. The proposed compromise was to adopt the doc as informational, so > folks could understand how explicit tracking worked, but not lead to > over-specification and reduced flexibility for implementations. I still > agree with this decision. > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pim/current/msg02286.html > > -Lenny > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Mike McBride wrote: > > -) Happy New Year folks. > -) > -) Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational > -) to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon > -) adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be > -) Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed > -) to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change > -) we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in > -) favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? > -) > -) thanks, > -) mike > -) _______________________________________________ > -) pim mailing list > -) pim@ietf.org > -) https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim > -) > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com Cisco NSSTG Systems & Technology Architecture SDN: Let me play with the network, mommy! From sfigueiredo@av.it.pt Mon Jan 14 06:23:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD2621F8922 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MpcEnKQ8rsr7 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3E721F85F3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.136.93.137] (account sfigueiredo@av.it.pt [193.136.93.137] verified) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 67625114; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: <50F414FC.1070108@av.it.pt> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:23:56 +0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Figueiredo?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pim@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mmcbride7@gmail.com Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:24:00 -0000 Dear all, I support the change from an Informational to a Proposed Standard document, as I find the content sufficiently generic and flexible to be adopted. Best regards, Sérgio On 01/07/2013 11:33 PM, Mike McBride wrote: > Happy New Year folks. > > Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational > to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon > adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be > Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed > to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change > we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in > favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? > > thanks, > mike > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From stig@venaas.com Mon Jan 14 19:18:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6437311E80A3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rmDo3GtOt8Ew for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A8011E8099 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.21.125.122] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF1B27FDE; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:18:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50F4CAF1.1080509@venaas.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:20:17 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pim@ietf.org References: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> In-Reply-To: <50E65CC8.7030307@venaas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mike McBride Subject: Re: [pim] Adoption of draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-wireless-mobile-02 as a pim wg work item X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:18:24 -0000 On 03.01.2013 20:38, Stig Venaas wrote: > At the pim wg meeting in Atlanta there were 5 people supporting > working on this in the pim wg, none against. We would like to do > an adoption call to see if we are ready to adopt this as a pim wg > work item. So far with the support we had in the meeting, it seems we may have consensus for doing work in this area. We didn't ask about adoption in the meeting though. So far we've only had one person supporting adoption of this draft. And none against. The adoption call ends Thursday January 17th. If we don't adopt this draft at this point, we will provided there is interest in this area (and it looks that way), discuss this more in Orlando. And if there is interest, then other submissions would of course also be welcome. Stig > > Note that this has also been presented in multimob and there has > been some discussion about which wg is the most suitable. Mike and > I believe the pim wg is a good place to do this as the pim wg is > currently responsible for IGMP/MLD protocol work and has expertise > in this area. Multimob has interest in this though, so we certainly > want members of multimob to participate. > > If we through this adoption call decide that we want to adopt this in > pim, we'll verify with the ADs responsible for pim and multimob that > this is reasonable. > > I'm also sending a note about this to multimob, so that they can get > a chance to voice their opinion. > > If you are in favor or against adopting this draft in the pim wg, > please send an email to the pim wg list with your opinion. Please > do so by Thursday January 17th. > > Stig > > _______________________________________________ > pim mailing list > pim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim From mmcbride7@gmail.com Tue Jan 22 22:25:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C34021F8799 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OzOgHuvuLLp1 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962B321F86C5 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fa10so4554236pad.6 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O4TrohrXMIuUp24vkkc3pSS3Pc9xy92FIlpYChY90DU=; b=ZVdElpsZm6Zdx6iJU1mcBZBTC+zpduf9gFljkZLKAK9ImJPdI5NY/pxfK+4C25zbLm 1bKVtq39ldbsjd5utcVQ+V9Rp4vQ3Y07nrTB3jlcmCxr0fhE2W1/sxFt/WLvJgDzkgVT jMUFtddTWs77oTFUpRzPzBydPMIoT5v3y4yqjyLJFSgLdraKzY/IE8Jln2nlXwnCBowl XAy6Oin1KnWcfFLIC5qpc/pRI1XVo7k0pRYS/GHmPxTb1zoxgmxMB+6ho3BpoTDdxw1h QhT85NJdU3n2aTg3eXM+jWMarbRXAu7POHDUChHRCcfVcZj7OsQibLeOW3kkENBnAFMa OGzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.203.129 with SMTP id kq1mr732174pbc.30.1358922358357; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.143.233 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:25:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: Mike McBride To: pim@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-03 to standards track? X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:25:59 -0000 Stig and I feel we have reached rough consensus. We will be directing Hitoshi to update his draft to Proposed Standard in his next revision. Thank you for the feedback. mike On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Mike McBride wrote: > Happy New Year folks. > > Hitoshi has requested that this draft be changed from an Informational > to a Proposed Standard document now that its nearing a wglc. Upon > adopting this draft we agreed, as a wg, that the document would be > Informational and not standards track. At the time, some were opposed > to anything other than Informational. In order to make such a change > we would, of course, need wg consensus. The vote, in Atlanta, was 6 in > favor of the change, 0 against. What say the rest of you? > > thanks, > mike From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Jan 28 22:34:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A021F89BA; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BVTpn+o7t7uF; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B2721F8928; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:34:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.37 Message-ID: <20130129063422.15635.23226.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:34:22 -0800 Cc: pim@ietf.org Subject: [pim] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-04.txt X-BeenThere: pim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol Independent Multicast List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:34:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : IGMP/MLD-Based Explicit Membership Tracking Function for= Multicast Routers Author(s) : Hitoshi Asaeda Filename : draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2013-01-28 Abstract: This document describes the IGMP/MLD-based explicit membership tracking function for multicast routers supporting IGMPv3/MLDv2. The explicit tracking function contributes to saving network resources and fast leaves (i.e. shortening leave latency). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/