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In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
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respond to the list with opinions, either way, over the next week.
This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.

thanks,
mike

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01.txt

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Yes.

  Bill

On 03/04/2013 10:45 PM, Mike McBride wrote:
> In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
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> respond to the list with opinions, either way, over the next week.
> This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
>
> thanks,
> mike
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> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01.txt
> _______________________________________________
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+1.  Support.

Kenny

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Yes.

  Bill

On 03/04/2013 10:45 PM, Mike McBride wrote:
> In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
> draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01 as Informational. Please
> respond to the list with opinions, either way, over the next week.
> This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
>
> thanks,
> mike
>
> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01.txt
> _______________________________________________
> pim mailing list
> pim@ietf.org<mailto:pim@ietf.org>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim

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Yes.

  Bill

On 03/04/2013 10:45 PM, Mike McBride wrote:
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+1

On 4/3/13 7:45 PM, "Mike McBride" <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote:

>In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
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>This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
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We have needed this for a while.  Yes.

Josh=20

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>Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:45:56 -0700
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>In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
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>This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
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>http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01.txt
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After reviewing the draft (draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01), I'd ce=
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Best regards,
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Looking forward to seeing it standardized.

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I confirm my support.

On 03/04/2013 10:45 PM, Mike McBride wrote:
> In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
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> This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
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Thank you for the many responses. We have solid consensus to adopt
this draft. Therefore pim is now the proud owner of a new wg document.
We request that the authors submit a -00 pim wg draft.

mike

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> wrote:
> In Orlando, there was 10-0 in favor of adopting
> draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01 as Informational. Please
> respond to the list with opinions, either way, over the next week.
> This adoption call will end next Wednesday the 10th.
>
> thanks,
> mike
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> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-asghar-pim-explicit-rpf-vector-01.txt

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We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
on the list to see what people think though.

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did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.

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+1.

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We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
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that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
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I support adoption of this doc


On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Stig Venaas wrote:

-) We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
-) Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
-) those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
-) that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
-) on the list to see what people think though.
-) 
-) This document contains the results from the implementation survey we
-) did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
-) 
-) This message starts an adoption call for
-) draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
-) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01
-) 
-) Please respond by Friday April 19th whether you believe this document
-) should be adopted, or provide any other comments you may have on the
-) draft.
-) 
-) Stig
-) 
-) _______________________________________________
-) pim mailing list
-) pim@ietf.org
-) https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim
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I support adoption of this draft.

  Bill


On 11/04/2013 12:41 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
> We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
> Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
> those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
> that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
> on the list to see what people think though.
>
> This document contains the results from the implementation survey we
> did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
>
> This message starts an adoption call for
> draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01
>
> Please respond by Friday April 19th whether you believe this document
> should be adopted, or provide any other comments you may have on the
> draft.
>
> Stig
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Me too.

On 18/04/2013 10:36 PM, William Atwood wrote:
> I support adoption of this draft.
>
>    Bill
>
>
> On 11/04/2013 12:41 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
>> We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
>> Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
>> those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
>> that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
>> on the list to see what people think though.
>>
>> This document contains the results from the implementation survey we
>> did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
>>
>> This message starts an adoption call for
>> draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01
>>
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>> should be adopted, or provide any other comments you may have on the
>> draft.
>>
>> Stig
>>
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Dear all,
I support the adoption.

Thank you,
Tina

On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:28 AM, "Tom Taylor" <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> Me too.
>=20
> On 18/04/2013 10:36 PM, William Atwood wrote:
>> I support adoption of this draft.
>>=20
>>   Bill
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 11/04/2013 12:41 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
>>> We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
>>> Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
>>> those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
>>> that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
>>> on the list to see what people think though.
>>>=20
>>> This document contains the results from the implementation survey we
>>> did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
>>>=20
>>> This message starts an adoption call for
>>> draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-0=
1
>>>=20
>>> Please respond by Friday April 19th whether you believe this document
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>>> Stig
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The last call has ended, and it is clear that we have good support for
this document. The document is adopted.

Authors, please submit the latest revision as
draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-00

Stig

On 4/11/2013 9:41 AM, Stig Venaas wrote:
> We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
> Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on
> those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the process
> that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick adoption call
> on the list to see what people think though.
>
> This document contains the results from the implementation survey we
> did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
>
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> draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
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> Please respond by Friday April 19th whether you believe this document
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We did a last call for this document in February, but we got hardly any
responses, so it was hard for us chairs to know whether the WG indeed
was happy with the latest revision.

We are now attempting another last call. Please respond to this so that
we can have some progress in the working group. We need to know whether
you are happy with the current version, or if you have any issues that
need to be addressed.

This call ends Monday May 6th.

Stig


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Here is my response as a WG member to the last call.

The document looks good, but I see two possible issues.

Section 3.1 seems to talk too much about implementation details. In
particular the sentence "In order to simplify the implementation, the
explicit tracking function MAY NOT keep the state of (S,G) joined with
EXCLUDE filter mode."

I think it's wrong here to say what the implementation MAY NOT do, in
particular if it is just a simplification. Advice is OK, but not strict
requirements for an internal implementation detail.

The security considerations could be improved a bit. Potential issues of
maintaining state are discussed, and a rate limit on membership
information. First of all, I don't think it is a rate limit, it's should
be a limit on the maximum amount of memberships at any time. I think.
Further, it should be pointed out that an attack could either cause some
members to not be tracked, or some members to not be able to join and
receive.

Stig



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Gr=
oup of the IETF.

	Title           : Survey Report on PIM-SM Implementations and Deployments
	Author(s)       : Lianshu Zheng
                          Zhaohui Zhang
                          Rishabh Parekh
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-00.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2013-04-23

Abstract:
   This document provides supporting documentation to advance the
   Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM)
   protocol from IETF Proposed Standard to Internet Standard.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-00


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Subject: [pim] Please respond! Re: draft-ietf-pim-explicit-tracking pim 2nd wglc
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Not many replies yet! We have one more week, please review this
document. It will be hard for us to make progress if we don't get
any responses.

Stig

On 22.04.2013 15:29, Stig Venaas wrote:
> We did a last call for this document in February, but we got hardly any
> responses, so it was hard for us chairs to know whether the WG indeed
> was happy with the latest revision.
>
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> This call ends Monday May 6th.
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I support the adoption.


Thanks,
Vaibhav

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From: pim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tina =
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Dear all,
I support the adoption.

Thank you,
Tina

On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:28 AM, "Tom Taylor" <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote=
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> Me too.
>=20
> On 18/04/2013 10:36 PM, William Atwood wrote:
>> I support adoption of this draft.
>>=20
>>   Bill
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 11/04/2013 12:41 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
>>> We did an adoption call for this document with only a few responses.
>>> Some comments were made and the document was just updated based on=20
>>> those. We had good support for adoption in the meeting and the=20
>>> process that this is part of. We would still like to do a quick=20
>>> adoption call on the list to see what people think though.
>>>=20
>>> This document contains the results from the implementation survey we=20
>>> did in order to advance RFC 4601 on the standards track.
>>>=20
>>> This message starts an adoption call for
>>> draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-report-01 available at
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzp-pim-rfc4601-update-survey-repor
>>> t-01
>>>=20
>>> Please respond by Friday April 19th whether you believe this=20
>>> document should be adopted, or provide any other comments you may=20
>>> have on the draft.
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>>> Stig
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Dear all,
The current version looks good to me.

Thank you,
Tina

On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "Stig Venaas" <stig@venaas.com> wrote:

> Not many replies yet! We have one more week, please review this
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> any responses.
>=20
> Stig
>=20
> On 22.04.2013 15:29, Stig Venaas wrote:
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>> responses, so it was hard for us chairs to know whether the WG indeed
>> was happy with the latest revision.
>>=20
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>> we can have some progress in the working group. We need to know whether
>> you are happy with the current version, or if you have any issues that
>> need to be addressed.
>>=20
>> This call ends Monday May 6th.
>>=20
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Hi,

I support the adoption of this draft.

Regards,
Sérgio

Em 25/04/2013 18:42, Stig Venaas escreveu:
> Not many replies yet! We have one more week, please review this
> document. It will be hard for us to make progress if we don't get
> any responses.
>
> Stig
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> On 22.04.2013 15:29, Stig Venaas wrote:
>> We did a last call for this document in February, but we got hardly any
>> responses, so it was hard for us chairs to know whether the WG indeed
>> was happy with the latest revision.
>>
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>> This call ends Monday May 6th.
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I think current shape of this document becomes stabilized and it is ready to
go further.
Therefore, I support the adoption of this draft.

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Not many replies yet! We have one more week, please review this document. It
will be hard for us to make progress if we don't get any responses.

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Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the worldâ€™s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
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fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
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payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
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conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


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to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMPâ€™s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabniaâ€™s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMPâ€™13 because of the fears of their image 
being tarnished due to WORLDCOMPâ€™s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMPâ€™13 
is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMPâ€™s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppetâ€™s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.


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Hi Stig,

> The document looks good, but I see two possible issues.

Thanks for your review.

> Section 3.1 seems to talk too much about implementation details. In
> particular the sentence "In order to simplify the implementation, the
> explicit tracking function MAY NOT keep the state of (S,G) joined with
> EXCLUDE filter mode."
> 
> I think it's wrong here to say what the implementation MAY NOT do, in
> particular if it is just a simplification. Advice is OK, but not
> strict requirements for an internal implementation detail.

I understand.
I'd replace "MAY NOT" to "may not".

> The security considerations could be improved a bit. Potential issues
> of
> maintaining state are discussed, and a rate limit on membership
> information. First of all, I don't think it is a rate limit, it's
> should
> be a limit on the maximum amount of memberships at any time. I think.

I agree.
I'd change the sentence in the security section as follws.

   In order to prevent
   abuse, a router enabling the explicit tracking function may need to
   limit a total amount of membership information the router can
   store and an amount of membership information the router can store
   per host.

> Further, it should be pointed out that an attack could either cause
> some
> members to not be tracked, or some members to not be able to join and
> receive.

Whether report senders are malicious or not, the router can track
their IP addresses (of course it assumes no address spoofing here,
though).

I'd say what the router should do is rate-limiting IGMP/MLD report
transmissions per host. Do you agree on adding the following paragraph
in the security section?

   A router may rate-limit State-Change Report messages per host. When
   the router enables rate-limiting per host, the router MAY ignore
   the received State-Change Report messages to minimize the
   processing overhead or prevent DoS attacks. The rate limit is left
   to the router's implementation.

BTW, while the rate limit itself is left to the router's implementation,
is it better to specify the default timer value for the rate-limiting
function? Or it is not necessary to specify it (as it depends on the
implementation)?

Regards,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda

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Hi Luis,

Thanks for your review.

> On section 6, "Compatibility with Older Version protocols" it should
> be convenient to include an explicit reference for the behavior to
> be followed for dual stack devices.

Ok, I'll add rfc3376 and 3810 as the references.

> On section 8, "Security Considerations", linking with Stig's comment
> about the maximum amount of memberships. In my understanding, what
> it is explicitly impacting this document is the number of membership
> state registers that can be updated/created due to massive
> subscriptions. So I identified two issues: what to do with the
> subscription request from the point of view of service delivery, and
> what to do with the subscription request from the point of view of
> tracking. The latter is the one relevant for this document.

Exactly. This document is relevant to the latter one.

> So probably the device on high load could attend the subscriptions but
> not register the corresponding state to save resources.

Agree.

> Finally it is mentioned that a possible limit could be established
> for the amount of membership information a device could store per
> host. In the case that the host is acting as IGMP/MLD proxy, the
> number of potential membership states could be huge, so a possible
> indication of that could be included.

Well, IMO, whether an IGMP/MLD proxy is attached or not, potentially
the number of tracked member hosts can be huge in some situation.
Nevertheless, I agree on adding rfc4605 as one potential example would
be good. Thanks.

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Dear Hitoshi Asaeda,

       I know I am a bit late in reviewing this draft. I was really held =
up with other things on my plate.

       Please find my questions/suggestions I have on this draft.

Regards,
Bharat

1. In Abstract, can we remove the usage of 'fast leave' and just keep 'sh=
ortening leave latency'. A quick google search on 'fast leave' shows that=
 it is a known term in the context of IGMPv2 where a router does not send=
 the group specific query and stops forwarding multicast traffic for the =
group on that interface. As here 'fast leave' is not referring to a simil=
ar behavior, I suggest to use 'shortening leave latency' instead.

2. In second para of section 1, can we also mention that to avoid loss of=
 unsolicited reports, each unsolicited report is sent out at least robust=
ness count times. After this, we can talk about queries as mentioned in t=
his para.

3. In third par of section 1, first sentence seems complex to me.

Multicast routers are capable of periodically maintaining the
multicast membership state of downstream hosts attached to the same
link by acquiring unsolicited report messages and synchronizing the
actual membership state within the General Query timer interval
(i.e., [Query Interval] value defined in [1][2].) 

Can we reword the above to as mentioned below or something on these lines=
:

Multicast routers learn multicast membership state of 
downstream hosts by unsolicited report messages. Multicast
routers send periodic queries to keep the membership state
synchronized by solicited report messages.

4. As its mentioned that 'explicit tracking function does not guarantee t=
hat the membership state will always be perfectly synchronized', should t=
he task 'Per-host accounting' using this function be really done? It may =
give incorrect results and to some providers, accounting is very importan=
t. Right?

5. Can you please elaborate on 'Maintaining multicast channel characteris=
tics'? What channel characteristics we are referring here? Also how does =
explicit tracking function helps in this?

6. In section 3.1, I did not get the need of "If there are no more receiv=
ers maintained,
   the router may keep the membership state information with an empty
   receiver list.". Does this for any specific purpose? If so, can we add=
 this in the draft.

7. Should not 'Membership State Information' be deleted when the correspo=
nding multicast channel times out in the router? The router should not be=
 maintaining this multicast channel state information forever. For exampl=
e: if the last hosts who had joined a channel goes down without sending a=
 leave request.

8. In section 3.2, in first sentence,

In accordance with [1] and [2], whenever a router receives the State-
Change Report, it sends the corresponding Group-Specific or Group-
and-Source Specific Query messages to confirm whether or not the
report sender is the sole member host.

Can we reword the above because router does not always send Group-Specifi=
c or Group-
and-Source Specific Query messages whenever it receives a State-Change Re=
port? We can reword it to:

In accordance with [1] and [2], whenever a router receives the State-
Change Report, it might send the corresponding Group-Specific or Group-
and-Source Specific Query messages to confirm whether or not the
report sender was the sole member host.

Please also note the change of 'is' to 'was' in the last part of the sent=
ence.

9. In section 3.2, in para 3, "This is in order to confirm whether or not=
 the host is
   the sole member." -> "This is in order to confirm whether or not the h=
ost was
   the sole member."

10. In section 3.3, second para, what I infer from the first sentence is =
that router prunes the channel after LMQI and LLQI. This does not look co=
rrect. Later in the same para, last sentence correct this by mentioning L=
MQT and LLQT is the total time router wait after the first query is sent,=
 to prune the channel. Can we fix the first sentence here?

11. A similar issue exist when LMQC and LLQC is explained in the above pa=
ra.

12. Last para of section 3.3 tries to describe how a lower values of LMQI=
/LMQC then the default suggested, can shorten the leave latency. But it d=
oes not clearly articulate how explicit tracking function helps if the tw=
o parameters are configured to the lower values. Can we add some details =
on that here?

13. In section 4, in 3rd para, in following sentence:

The second case occurs when a router sends a specific query but does
not receive a State-Change Report from a downstream host within an
LMQT or LLQT period.

I think when a host receives specific query, it generates a current-state
report. Right?

14. As host membership protocols are unreliable, there will always be a p=
ossibility of outdated membership state as packets may get lost. I am not=
 sure how does explicit tracking function lowers this possibility.

15. In section 4, last para seems to explain how to fix the outdated memb=
ership state that is introduced because of explicit tracking function in =
a router while the section header seems to suggest that explicit tracking=
 function can lower the possibility of outdated membership state.

16. In section 5, in first para, we established that a MLD report receive=
d with unspecified source address is discarded then in second para, we me=
ntion that no membership-state information is created for such a request.=
 So should we reword this to talk about only IGMP case here.

17. In section 6, in first para, its mentioned that explicit tracking doe=
s not work with older version of protocol. If I am not mistaken, fast/imm=
ediate leave implemented by some vendors do explicit tracking of the host=
. While I agree that hosts does report suppression but that happens only =
in case its a solicited report. First few (robustness count) unsolicited =
reports are usually enough to track the host.

18. In section 6, should not we talk about how the membership state infor=
mation is deleted when the version is lowered and the channel is no more =
required.

19. If we can assume that the robustness count configured in a router tru=
ly represents the robustness of that network and if a packet is sent this=
 many times, the intended destination will receive the packet at least on=
ce, this whole draft can be simplified a lot. There is no need to generat=
e group or group-source specific queries even when all the hosts have lef=
t that channel. I am sure there is something I have missed because this i=
s how fast/immediate leave is implemented for older version of protocols.

________________________________________
From: pim-bounces@ietf.org [pim-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Stig Venaa=
s [stig@venaas.com]
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nd wglc

Not many replies yet! We have one more week, please review this
document. It will be hard for us to make progress if we don't get
any responses.

Stig

On 22.04.2013 15:29, Stig Venaas wrote:
> We did a last call for this document in February, but we got hardly any
> responses, so it was hard for us chairs to know whether the WG indeed
> was happy with the latest revision.
>
> We are now attempting another last call. Please respond to this so that
> we can have some progress in the working group. We need to know whether
> you are happy with the current version, or if you have any issues that
> need to be addressed.
>
> This call ends Monday May 6th.
>
> Stig
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