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Hi,

While discussing some stuff with another AD (young Brian Haberman, to be
precise) we noticed that the Join Attributes registry
(http://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#pim-paramet
ers-2) has all 64 code points tagged "IETF review". 

It seemed to us that it would be very sensible to allocate 2 or 4 of the code
points as Experimental to allow experiments to be carried out without needing
early or permanent allocations. noting that the rate of consumption of code
points in this registry has not been high.

Alternatively, we could have a few marked as Private Use if that seems more
consistent with the other registries.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Adrian


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I do agree with allocating a few of the code points for being used 
without the need to early or permanent allocation. it will simplify the 
processes with regards to experiments .And also as suggested It may be 
more appropriate to mark the allocated code points as private use .
Sincerely
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> While discussing some stuff with another AD (young Brian Haberman, to be
> precise) we noticed that the Join Attributes registry
> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#pim-paramet
> ers-2) has all 64 code points tagged "IETF review".
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> It seemed to us that it would be very sensible to allocate 2 or 4 of the code
> points as Experimental to allow experiments to be carried out without needing
> early or permanent allocations. noting that the rate of consumption of code
> points in this registry has not been high.
>
> Alternatively, we could have a few marked as Private Use if that seems more
> consistent with the other registries.
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Looking at the entire registry:

Reserved for private use
65001-65535 PIM-Hello Options
251-255     PIM Address Family

Experimental
65532-65535 PORT Message Types
65532-65535 PORT Option Types

Reserved (for extension of type space)
15          PIM Message Types

Nothing assigned for flexibility
            PIM Join Attribute Types
            Encoded-Source Address Encoding Type Field

I suggest that we should allocate 2 or 4 code points (out of 64) for the
PIM Join Attribute Types and 4 code points (out of 256) for the
Encoded-Source Address Encoding Type Field.

I don't have a strong opinion on using "Experimental" vs "Private"; both
have been used.  However, probable use for both of these would seem to
me more likely to be some form of experiment, rather than some
widely-deployed special (private) use.  So, I would vote for "Experimental".

  Bill



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> Hi,
> 
> While discussing some stuff with another AD (young Brian Haberman, to be
> precise) we noticed that the Join Attributes registry
> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#pim-paramet
> ers-2) has all 64 code points tagged "IETF review". 
> 
> It seemed to us that it would be very sensible to allocate 2 or 4 of the code
> points as Experimental to allow experiments to be carried out without needing
> early or permanent allocations. noting that the rate of consumption of code
> points in this registry has not been high.
> 
> Alternatively, we could have a few marked as Private Use if that seems more
> consistent with the other registries.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> 
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        Title           : Hierarchical Join/Prune Attributes
        Authors         : Stig Venaas
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                          Jesus Arango
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Abstract:
   This document defines a hierachical method of encoding Join
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   attribute values need to be specified for multiple sources in a PIM
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   On a multi-access network, one of the PIM routers is elected as a
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Hi,

    Can there be a case where two customers belonging to different vrfs
join the same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these customers have
different sources sending different data for the group. I am asking if one
multicast address is sold to one customer only.

Thanks,
Indranil

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>=A0=A0=A0 Can there be a case w=
here two customers belonging to different vrfs join the same group, say 225=
.1.1.1? And each of these customers have different sources sending differen=
t data for the group. I am asking if one multicast address is sold to one c=
ustomer only.<br>
<br></div>Thanks,<br>Indranil <br></div>

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Could your please share your thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Indranil

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Hi,

    Can there be a case where two customers belonging to different vrfs
join the same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these customers have
different sources sending different data for the group. I am asking if one
multicast address is sold to one customer only.

Thanks,
Indranil

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Could your please share your thoughts on this?<br><br=
></div>Thanks,<br>Indranil <br><div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---=
------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"=
>iamredheart22 .</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:myselfindranil=
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Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM<br>Subject: Question on mvrf<br>To: &quo=
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v>
Hi,<br><br></div>=A0=A0=A0 Can there be a case where two customers belongin=
g to different vrfs join the same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these c=
ustomers have different sources sending different data for the group. I am =
asking if one multicast address is sold to one customer only.<br>

<br></div>Thanks,<br>Indranil <br></div>
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Indranil,

This is an MVPN question - please refer to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft=
-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet-03.

Jeffrey

From: pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of iamredheart22 .
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Could your please share your thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Indranil

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Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM
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To: "pim@ietf.org<mailto:pim@ietf.org>" <pim@ietf.org<mailto:pim@ietf.org>>

Hi,
    Can there be a case where two customers belonging to different vrfs joi=
n the same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these customers have different=
 sources sending different data for the group. I am asking if one multicast=
 address is sold to one customer only.
Thanks,
Indranil


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Thanks Jeffery. I will go through the document. To give a clear picture,  I
am trying to implement mvrf in a vrf lite deployment. Only difference is
that multiple customer networks will share the same datacenter devices,  So
my configurations are behind Customer Edge. I will not do anything in the
PE. So I am thinking if it is possible for two customers to use same
multicast group for different purposes say one uses it for video streaming
and the other for stock application.

Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net
> wrote:

>  Indranil,
>
>
>
> This is an MVPN question - please refer to
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet-03.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> *From:* pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *iamredheart22 .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:39 AM
> *To:* pim@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [pim] Fwd: Question on mvrf
>
>
>
> Could your please share your thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Indranil
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *iamredheart22 .* <myselfindranil@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM
> Subject: Question on mvrf
> To: "pim@ietf.org" <pim@ietf.org>
>
>   Hi,
>
>     Can there be a case where two customers belonging to different vrfs
> join the same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these customers have
> different sources sending different data for the group. I am asking if one
> multicast address is sold to one customer only.
>
> Thanks,
> Indranil
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks Jeffery. I will go through the document. To gi=
ve a clear picture,&nbsp; I am trying to implement mvrf in a vrf lite deplo=
yment. Only difference is that multiple customer networks will share the sa=
me datacenter devices,&nbsp; So my configurations are behind Customer Edge.=
 I will not do anything in the PE. So I am thinking if it is possible for t=
wo customers to use same multicast group for different purposes say one use=
s it for video streaming and the other for stock application.<br>
<br></div>Thanks.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">z=
zhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a">Indranil,<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a">This is an MVPN question =
&ndash; please refer to
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet-03" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet-0=
3</a>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546a">Jeffrey<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"144453157b486e04__MailEndCompose"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> pim [mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pim-bounces@i=
etf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>iamredheart22 .<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:pim@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pim@ietf.org</=
a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [pim] Fwd: Question on mvrf<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Could your please sha=
re your thoughts on this?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Indranil <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>
From: <b>iamredheart22 .</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:myselfindranil@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">myselfindranil@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM<br>
Subject: Question on mvrf<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pim@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pim@ietf.org</a=
>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pim@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pim@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ca=
n there be a case where two customers belonging to different vrfs join the =
same group, say 225.1.1.1? And each of these customers have different sourc=
es sending different data for the group. I am asking
 if one multicast address is sold to one customer only.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Indranil <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
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We've seen nothing but support for this draft in response to this call for =
adoption. The opposition from the room in Vancouver still looms although no=
 further comments were declared on the list. The draft has been now been up=
dated to experimental (as is LISP) and the authors understand that this dra=
ft will not be published until further progress is made on work within LISP=
, something which was a concern of a few within our wg.

Therefore, with what appears to be rough consensus, I recommend that we ado=
pt and begin further work on this draft and will direct the authors to subm=
it a pim wg draft version.

Thanks,
Mike

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-arango-pim-join-attributes-for-lisp-01.txt


From: pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike McBride
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:34 PM
To: pim@ietf.org
Subject: [pim] Call for adoption of pim-join-attributes-for-lisp

The authors of this draft requested a call for adoption of their draft. At =
our last meeting, in Vancouver, 5 people were in favor of adopting the draf=
t. 3 were against. One of those against shared the opinion of there being t=
oo much existing lisp work needing to be completed within the lisp wg and t=
his additional work may muddy the water. Those in favor stated that the lis=
p wg is supportive of this work being done within pim.

What say you?

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-arango-pim-join-attributes-for-lisp-00.txt

thanks,
mike

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We&#8217;ve seen nothi=
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position from the room in Vancouver still looms although no further comment=
s were declared on the list. The draft has
 been now been updated to experimental (as is LISP) and the authors underst=
and that this draft will not be published until further progress is made on=
 work within LISP, something which was a concern of a few within our wg.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Therefore, with what a=
ppears to be rough consensus, I recommend that we adopt and begin further w=
ork on this draft and will direct the authors to submit a pim wg draft vers=
ion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"http://www.=
ietf.org/id/draft-arango-pim-join-attributes-for-lisp-01.txt">http://www.ie=
tf.org/id/draft-arango-pim-join-attributes-for-lisp-01.txt</a><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> pim [mai=
lto:pim-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike McBride<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pim@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [pim] Call for adoption of pim-join-attributes-for-lisp<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The authors of this draft requested a call for adopt=
ion of their draft. At our last meeting, in Vancouver, 5 people were in fav=
or of adopting the draft. 3 were against. One of those against shared the o=
pinion of there being too much existing
 lisp work needing to be completed within the lisp wg and this additional w=
ork may muddy the water. Those in favor stated that the lisp wg is supporti=
ve of this work being done within pim.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What say you?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-arango-pim=
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-join-attributes-for-lisp-00.txt</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi

I don't see any responses to this, except for an update on the drlb
draft. Is there really no one else?

We'll do a status update and talk at least briefly about the active
WG drafts, but it looks like it might be a short meeting then.

Stig

On 2/17/2014 11:35 AM, Stig Venaas wrote:
> If you would like a slot on the pim agenda for London, please email
> Mike and me with your request ASAP. Note that you can email us both
> by using the pim-chairs@tools.ietf.org address.
>
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Hello,

        I have a question on anycast rp(rfc 4610). This is where rp(rpA)
sends copy of the register message to other rps(rpB and rpC) in the anycast
rp set. If dest ip of the outer header is rp address then the packet
reaches either rpB or rpC, whichever is closest to rpA. How do the packets
reach corresponding rps? What difference is there between a copy to rpB and
a copy to rpC if egress interface to reach both the peers from rpA is same?

Thanks,
Indranil

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 a question on anycast rp(rfc 4610). This is where rp(rpA) sends copy of th=
e register message to other rps(rpB and rpC) in the anycast rp set. If dest=
 ip of the outer header is rp address then the packet reaches either rpB or=
 rpC, whichever is closest to rpA. How do the packets reach corresponding r=
ps? What difference is there between a copy to rpB and a copy to rpC if egr=
ess interface to reach both the peers from rpA is same?<br>
<br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Indranil<br></div><div><br><br><br></d=
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The destination address of the outer header is *not* the anycast RP address=
. So RPA has to send one copy to RP-B and another to RP-C.





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Hello,

        I have a question on anycast rp(rfc 4610). This is where rp(rpA) se=
nds copy of the register message to other rps(rpB and rpC) in the anycast r=
p set. If dest ip of the outer header is rp address then the packet reaches=
 either rpB or rpC, whichever is closest to rpA. How do the packets reach c=
orresponding rps? What difference is there between a copy to rpB and a copy=
 to rpC if egress interface to reach both the peers from rpA is same?

Thanks,
Indranil








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<p>The destination address of the outer header is *not* the anycast RP addr=
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<div>Hello,<br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a question on anycast rp(=
rfc 4610). This is where rp(rpA) sends copy of the register message to othe=
r rps(rpB and rpC) in the anycast rp set. If dest ip of the outer header is=
 rp address then the packet reaches either rpB or rpC, whichever is
 closest to rpA. How do the packets reach corresponding rps? What differenc=
e is there between a copy to rpB and a copy to rpC if egress interface to r=
each both the peers from rpA is same?<br>
<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
</div>
<div>Indranil<br>
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Here is our very short pim agenda. Please let me and Mike know if you
want to be on the agenda.

Title                                            Presenter   Minutes
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WG Status                                        Chairs         20
   Status of drafts

draft-ietf-pim-drlb-03                           W. Zhou        20
    status/update

Experimental/private join attribute types?       S. Venaas      10


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We now got one more agenda item. Anything else?
Note that we're scheduled Wednesday 13-15, but we will
probably end early.

Here is the new agenda (which also is posted):

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WG Status                                        Chairs         20
   Status of drafts

draft-ietf-pim-drlb-03                           W. Zhou        20
    status/update

Experimental/private join attribute types?       S. Venaas      10

draft-zzhang-l3vpn-mvpn-global-table-mcast-03    J. Zhang       15

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