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Hello PIMers,

This begins a call for adoption of draft-pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh-=
01 which was presented in Prague where 4 were for adoption and 0 against. P=
lease respond with your thoughts, either way, on whether we should adopt th=
is draft. The draft notes, from the discussion in Prague, are below.

Thanks,
Mike

Prague meeting notes:

Stig: pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh.
Ashutosh gupta is the main author.
Problem statement:
mcast routing needs a RPF tree to be formed in order to receive one copy of=
 mcast data on lowest cost loop free path
in case of PIMv4, it needs a valid PIMv4 neighbor to send PIMv4 join
when using RFC5549, a IPv4 prefix is reachable over IPv6 next hop or vice v=
ersa
if rpf interface has more than 1 pimv4 neighbor, then a new pim mechanism i=
s needed to choose corresponding neighbor for IPv6 next hop.
solution: use of secondary address list option in PIM hello
status:
deployed by one cisco customer.
looking for wg adoption
Toerless: is the join for the v4 still an v4 packet?
Stig: yes
Toerless: there is no interest to have a single address family pim adjacenc=
y.
Stig: there could be. there is v4 and v6 on the router interfaces.
Toerless: the address extension is in v4 or v6?
stig: there is a hello where the family should be same as interface itself.
Toerless: minimum recommendation is that v4 mapping is the hello option in =
v6 hello. one other logical next step is what is preferred solution. perhap=
s just build a v6 port connection. and can still send v4 joins.
Stig: you could send a pim join with v6 destination address that might cont=
act v4 s,gs.
toerless: say prefer doing this in v6.
stig: there is also people trying to deploy v6 only in their core networks.=
 and also deliver v4 payloads
toerless: first step make the control plane v6. and make v4 a service. get =
rid of native v4 packets is a different problem.
stig: would prefer to have this a separate thing. simple document. to do wh=
at you say to use v6 join to ask for v4 join that would make a change to pi=
m spec.
toerless: would love protocol drafts to share best practices. have hello op=
tion in v6 pim.
stig: would like some guidance on whether wg should do this.
4 people have read. 4 people think we should adopt. will take to list.
Toerless: most of my comments don't have to go in this draft. maybe in mbon=
ed.
Stig as chair: think it would be interesting to look at this in mboned. peo=
ple that deploy multicast. v4 mcast with v6 signalling. maybe talk to isps.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello PIMers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a call for adoption of draft-pim-with-ip=
v4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh-01 which was presented in Prague where 4 were for ad=
option and 0 against. Please respond with your thoughts, either way, on whe=
ther we should adopt this draft. The
 draft notes, from the discussion in Prague, are below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prague meeting notes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ashutosh gupta is the main author.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Problem statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">mcast routing needs a RPF tree to be formed in order=
 to receive one copy of mcast data on lowest cost loop free path<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">in case of PIMv4, it needs a valid PIMv4 neighbor to=
 send PIMv4 join<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">when using RFC5549, a IPv4 prefix is reachable over =
IPv6 next hop or vice versa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if rpf interface has more than 1 pimv4 neighbor, the=
n a new pim mechanism is needed to choose corresponding neighbor for IPv6 n=
ext hop.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">solution: use of secondary address list option in PI=
M hello<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">status:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">deployed by one cisco customer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">looking for wg adoption<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: is the join for the v4 still an v4 packet?=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: there is no interest to have a single addr=
ess family pim adjacency.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: there could be. there is v4 and v6 on the rout=
er interfaces.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: the address extension is in v4 or v6?<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: there is a hello where the family should be sa=
me as interface itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: minimum recommendation is that v4 mapping =
is the hello option in v6 hello. one other logical next step is what is pre=
ferred solution. perhaps just build a v6 port connection. and can still sen=
d v4 joins.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: you could send a pim join with v6 destination =
address that might contact v4 s,gs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: say prefer doing this in v6.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: there is also people trying to deploy v6 only =
in their core networks. and also deliver v4 payloads<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: first step make the control plane v6. and =
make v4 a service. get rid of native v4 packets is a different problem.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: would prefer to have this a separate thing. si=
mple document. to do what you say to use v6 join to ask for v4 join that wo=
uld make a change to pim spec.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: would love protocol drafts to share best p=
ractices. have hello option in v6 pim.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: would like some guidance on whether wg should =
do this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4 people have read. 4 people think we should adopt. =
will take to list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: most of my comments don't have to go in th=
is draft. maybe in mboned.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig as chair: think it would be interesting to look=
 at this in mboned. people that deploy multicast. v4 mcast with v6 signalli=
ng. maybe talk to isps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Support the adoption.

Thanks,
- Xufeng

From: pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael McBride
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:02 PM
To: pim@ietf.org
Subject: [pim] WG Adoption Call: draft-pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh

Hello PIMers,

This begins a call for adoption of draft-pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh-=
01 which was presented in Prague where 4 were for adoption and 0 against. P=
lease respond with your thoughts, either way, on whether we should adopt th=
is draft. The draft notes, from the discussion in Prague, are below.

Thanks,
Mike

Prague meeting notes:

Stig: pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh.
Ashutosh gupta is the main author.
Problem statement:
mcast routing needs a RPF tree to be formed in order to receive one copy of=
 mcast data on lowest cost loop free path
in case of PIMv4, it needs a valid PIMv4 neighbor to send PIMv4 join
when using RFC5549, a IPv4 prefix is reachable over IPv6 next hop or vice v=
ersa
if rpf interface has more than 1 pimv4 neighbor, then a new pim mechanism i=
s needed to choose corresponding neighbor for IPv6 next hop.
solution: use of secondary address list option in PIM hello
status:
deployed by one cisco customer.
looking for wg adoption
Toerless: is the join for the v4 still an v4 packet?
Stig: yes
Toerless: there is no interest to have a single address family pim adjacenc=
y.
Stig: there could be. there is v4 and v6 on the router interfaces.
Toerless: the address extension is in v4 or v6?
stig: there is a hello where the family should be same as interface itself.
Toerless: minimum recommendation is that v4 mapping is the hello option in =
v6 hello. one other logical next step is what is preferred solution. perhap=
s just build a v6 port connection. and can still send v4 joins.
Stig: you could send a pim join with v6 destination address that might cont=
act v4 s,gs.
toerless: say prefer doing this in v6.
stig: there is also people trying to deploy v6 only in their core networks.=
 and also deliver v4 payloads
toerless: first step make the control plane v6. and make v4 a service. get =
rid of native v4 packets is a different problem.
stig: would prefer to have this a separate thing. simple document. to do wh=
at you say to use v6 join to ask for v4 join that would make a change to pi=
m spec.
toerless: would love protocol drafts to share best practices. have hello op=
tion in v6 pim.
stig: would like some guidance on whether wg should do this.
4 people have read. 4 people think we should adopt. will take to list.
Toerless: most of my comments don't have to go in this draft. maybe in mbon=
ed.
Stig as chair: think it would be interesting to look at this in mboned. peo=
ple that deploy multicast. v4 mcast with v6 signalling. maybe talk to isps.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Support the adoption.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Xufeng<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> pim [mailto:pim-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On=
 Behalf Of
</b>Michael McBride<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pim@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [pim] WG Adoption Call: draft-pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv=
6-nh<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello PIMers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This begins a call for adoption of draft-pim-with-ip=
v4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh-01 which was presented in Prague where 4 were for ad=
option and 0 against. Please respond with your thoughts, either way, on whe=
ther we should adopt this draft. The
 draft notes, from the discussion in Prague, are below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prague meeting notes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ashutosh gupta is the main author.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Problem statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">mcast routing needs a RPF tree to be formed in order=
 to receive one copy of mcast data on lowest cost loop free path<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">in case of PIMv4, it needs a valid PIMv4 neighbor to=
 send PIMv4 join<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">when using RFC5549, a IPv4 prefix is reachable over =
IPv6 next hop or vice versa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if rpf interface has more than 1 pimv4 neighbor, the=
n a new pim mechanism is needed to choose corresponding neighbor for IPv6 n=
ext hop.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">solution: use of secondary address list option in PI=
M hello<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">status:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">deployed by one cisco customer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">looking for wg adoption<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: is the join for the v4 still an v4 packet?=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: there is no interest to have a single addr=
ess family pim adjacency.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: there could be. there is v4 and v6 on the rout=
er interfaces.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: the address extension is in v4 or v6?<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: there is a hello where the family should be sa=
me as interface itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: minimum recommendation is that v4 mapping =
is the hello option in v6 hello. one other logical next step is what is pre=
ferred solution. perhaps just build a v6 port connection. and can still sen=
d v4 joins.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig: you could send a pim join with v6 destination =
address that might contact v4 s,gs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: say prefer doing this in v6.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: there is also people trying to deploy v6 only =
in their core networks. and also deliver v4 payloads<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: first step make the control plane v6. and =
make v4 a service. get rid of native v4 packets is a different problem.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: would prefer to have this a separate thing. si=
mple document. to do what you say to use v6 join to ask for v4 join that wo=
uld make a change to pim spec.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">toerless: would love protocol drafts to share best p=
ractices. have hello option in v6 pim.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">stig: would like some guidance on whether wg should =
do this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4 people have read. 4 people think we should adopt. =
will take to list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toerless: most of my comments don't have to go in th=
is draft. maybe in mboned.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stig as chair: think it would be interesting to look=
 at this in mboned. people that deploy multicast. v4 mcast with v6 signalli=
ng. maybe talk to isps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I support the adoption.


> 2017/08/23 3:02, Michael McBride <Michael.McBride@huawei.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hello PIMers,
> =20
> This begins a call for adoption of =
draft-pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh-01 which was presented in Prague =
where 4 were for adoption and 0 against. Please respond with your =
thoughts, either way, on whether we should adopt this draft. The draft =
notes, from the discussion in Prague, are below.
> =20
> Thanks,
> Mike
> =20
> Prague meeting notes:
> =20
> Stig: pim-with-ipv4-prefix-over-ipv6-nh.
> Ashutosh gupta is the main author.
> Problem statement:
> mcast routing needs a RPF tree to be formed in order to receive one =
copy of mcast data on lowest cost loop free path
> in case of PIMv4, it needs a valid PIMv4 neighbor to send PIMv4 join
> when using RFC5549, a IPv4 prefix is reachable over IPv6 next hop or =
vice versa
> if rpf interface has more than 1 pimv4 neighbor, then a new pim =
mechanism is needed to choose corresponding neighbor for IPv6 next hop.
> solution: use of secondary address list option in PIM hello
> status:
> deployed by one cisco customer.
> looking for wg adoption
> Toerless: is the join for the v4 still an v4 packet?
> Stig: yes
> Toerless: there is no interest to have a single address family pim =
adjacency.
> Stig: there could be. there is v4 and v6 on the router interfaces.
> Toerless: the address extension is in v4 or v6?
> stig: there is a hello where the family should be same as interface =
itself.
> Toerless: minimum recommendation is that v4 mapping is the hello =
option in v6 hello. one other logical next step is what is preferred =
solution. perhaps just build a v6 port connection. and can still send v4 =
joins.
> Stig: you could send a pim join with v6 destination address that might =
contact v4 s,gs.
> toerless: say prefer doing this in v6.
> stig: there is also people trying to deploy v6 only in their core =
networks. and also deliver v4 payloads
> toerless: first step make the control plane v6. and make v4 a service. =
get rid of native v4 packets is a different problem.
> stig: would prefer to have this a separate thing. simple document. to =
do what you say to use v6 join to ask for v4 join that would make a =
change to pim spec.
> toerless: would love protocol drafts to share best practices. have =
hello option in v6 pim.
> stig: would like some guidance on whether wg should do this.
> 4 people have read. 4 people think we should adopt. will take to list.
> Toerless: most of my comments don't have to go in this draft. maybe in =
mboned.
> Stig as chair: think it would be interesting to look at this in =
mboned. people that deploy multicast. v4 mcast with v6 signalling. maybe =
talk to isps.
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