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From: Jiangyuanlong <jiangyuanlong@huawei.com>
To: "Grossman, Ethan A." <eagros@dolby.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Detnet] DetNet Use Case Statements: Providing Synchronized Time
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Hi Ethan,

It seems to me this use case can be further partitioned into two different =
problems:
1. Providing sync info within a DetNet, so that all nodes in the DetNet are=
 synchronized to the same clock, for example, each node runs in the BC mode=
 of IEEE 1588v2 and an external GPS/GNSS receiver provides the clock source=
 for all nodes in this DetNet network;
2. Transporting sync info for the 3rd party across a DetNet. This can furth=
er be divided into two cases:
a) The DetNet is not aware of the timing info, but take it as a low delay s=
ervice.
b) The DetNet is aware of the timing info, some of the nodes in the DetNet =
may provide timing correction for the timing info. For example, several nod=
es in the DetNet network can work in the TC mode of IEEE 1588v2.

IMO, 2.a) is already in the scope of the DetNet; 1 is essential for DetNet,=
 but not yet in its scope; 2.b) can be an interesting application for the D=
etNet.

Regards,
Yuanlong


From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan =
A.
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 4:05 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] DetNet Use Case Statements: Providing Synchronized Time

Statement:
Providing Synchronized Time (not in scope)
Discussion:
A point came up about whether DetNet streams could serve as a way to delive=
r timekeeping packets in a more timely way in order to provide more accurat=
e time. We concluded that this was a possible use case for DetNet, and invi=
te contributions of use case text on the topic. However since DetNet itself=
 depends on time sync to function, making timekeeping depend on DetNet is a=
 circular dependency so doesn't seem feasible.



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ethan,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It seems t=
o me this use case can be further partitioned into two different problems:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">1. Providi=
ng sync info within a DetNet, so that all nodes in the DetNet are synchroni=
zed to the same clock, for example, each node runs in the
 BC mode of IEEE 1588v2 and an external GPS/GNSS receiver provides the cloc=
k source for all nodes in this DetNet network;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">2. Transpo=
rting sync info for the 3<sup>rd</sup> party across a DetNet. This can furt=
her be divided into two cases:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">a) The Det=
Net is not aware of the timing info, but take it as a low delay service.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">b) The Det=
Net is aware of the timing info, some of the nodes in the DetNet may provid=
e timing correction for the timing info. For example, several
 nodes in the DetNet network can work in the TC mode of IEEE 1588v2.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;mso-b=
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idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
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is already in the scope of the DetNet; 1 is essential for DetNet, but
 not yet in its scope; 2.b) can be an interesting application for the DetNe=
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nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family=
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 detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grossman, Etha=
n A.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 08, 2016 4:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> detnet@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Detnet] DetNet Use Case Statements: Providing Synchronized=
 Time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Providing Synchronized Time (not in scope)<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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quot;Times New Roman&quot;">A point came up about whether DetNet streams co=
uld serve as a way to deliver timekeeping packets in a more timely way
 in order to provide more accurate time. We concluded that this was a possi=
ble use case for DetNet, and invite contributions of use case text on the t=
opic. However since DetNet itself depends on time sync to function, making =
timekeeping depend on DetNet is
 a circular dependency so doesn&#8217;t seem feasible. <o:p></o:p></span></=
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