
From nobody Fri May  1 08:09:08 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946753A13CF for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMuLPxFK7P7o for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B6603A13AC for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4246300B5D for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id PW0zf3x_bgnf for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E96CE3004AF; Fri,  1 May 2020 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <11381.1588286249@localhost>
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 11:09:02 -0400
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <A134C6AA-B24E-410F-953C-DC2C7CF11EA9@vigilsec.com>
References: <63B58892-60CB-42C9-8168-E5476E2F40CB@vigilsec.com> <4E7C3690-6F3F-45C1-817E-F9D4DB1B184E@vigilsec.com> <11381.1588286249@localhost>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/11jtv-c8Z0TJQjmAAdULk5rIVhg>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-02
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 15:09:07 -0000

>> (2) Several errata are listed in the Introduction:
>=20
>> This document deals with errata numbers [errata4384], [errata5107],
>> [errata5108], and [errata5904].
>=20
> I asked that question... I thought that I heard that they should be =
normative.

I can imagine a sentence that would make a normative reference, but this =
one does not seem that way to me.

Do others have an opinion about this question?

Russ


From nobody Fri May  1 08:18:56 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C563A13B5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3C4v5B-Y6dXI for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EDA3A13AF for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0122330.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 041FHPMf028617; Fri, 1 May 2020 16:18:52 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=Q9JSx2oeHtgtMxc1MFmdjQoSqfSrr6OYIM6AmZbf3+M=; b=hTDQUAg9y/uoIJ0L3cA2MGVyyApxeTNmOLZzu4YLw7b8JMLUrSZCfFMvFOEn0LgVnF7q UWvZIPDCrFrRsMahQ7BqTiYteNm/jru1vY0ObCt7RMT+yNTxJhXh0vmyb3stwk8nffi2 leFbyHeTvyd5bprqx15PPha8LULMJafe+fJJ1nPAmJzMKXglrNUD0TCyv0nkMvFSE6jI IxQBlELvmx5sjJ1nUwMLhfCopnHwiJwAKK7bb/bU8SiBv34K9P3nqc0nDPsPYGQtNiZr J3PmQQQl8kVPVLj3RU4BWtCS60mgYLNbVu2+BkUIQZNRiXFVEZRVvPgtyY/QFvE4Ak5m FQ== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint4 (a72-247-45-32.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [72.247.45.32] (may be forged)) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 30r7hmaj3r-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 01 May 2020 16:18:52 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 041FI205028942; Fri, 1 May 2020 11:18:51 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.117]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com with ESMTP id 30mghutet4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 01 May 2020 11:18:51 -0400
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb6.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.124) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Fri, 1 May 2020 08:18:50 -0700
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Fri, 1 May 2020 10:18:50 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
CC: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-02
Thread-Index: AQHWHzXRz2e+B6h5RUq8Zs8Flx1wZaiSlUGAgAEVCgD//7+tgA==
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 15:18:49 +0000
Message-ID: <DF05F8CE-F4F1-4715-ADFC-3AB717A947C9@akamai.com>
References: <63B58892-60CB-42C9-8168-E5476E2F40CB@vigilsec.com> <4E7C3690-6F3F-45C1-817E-F9D4DB1B184E@vigilsec.com> <11381.1588286249@localhost> <A134C6AA-B24E-410F-953C-DC2C7CF11EA9@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <A134C6AA-B24E-410F-953C-DC2C7CF11EA9@vigilsec.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.36.20041300
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.37.52]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <A89FC3F042B3874498FF0A7771D8AA36@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-01_09:2020-05-01, 2020-05-01 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=778 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005010123
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-01_09:2020-05-01, 2020-05-01 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=764 clxscore=1015 impostorscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005010122
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/hIhWAK99WlJRDU6_uNtMkhPjUEs>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-02
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 15:18:55 -0000

PiAgICBJIGNhbiBpbWFnaW5lIGEgc2VudGVuY2UgdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBtYWtlIGEgbm9ybWF0aXZl
IHJlZmVyZW5jZSwgYnV0IHRoaXMgb25lIGRvZXMgbm90IHNlZW0gdGhhdCB3YXkgdG8gbWUuDQoN
CkkgYWdyZWUgdGhpcyBpc24ndCBhIG5vcm1hdGl2ZSByZWZlcmVuY2UsIGFuZCBJIGRvbid0IG9i
amVjdCBpZiBpdCBpcyBtYWRlIHRvIGJlIHNvLg0KDQo=


From nobody Fri May  1 12:45:36 2020
Return-Path: <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41523A1B84 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 12:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.099
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=digicert.com header.b=CBzJv4cs; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=digicert.com header.b=ItD7wLJb
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w1VyKhiThQop for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 12:45:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from us-smtp-delivery-173.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-173.mimecast.com [63.128.21.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08FD83A1B83 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digicert.com; s=mimecast20190124; t=1588362326; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=tbxR7Jm/175sxbFIcvZyVnl++vtlF4nscSEWX1ft6Ck=; b=CBzJv4cs7dZoJfwBVuHxwF3iS9zuUZKGniUQZhuf1hFoMpfQYwoo6VyiYWX9zgzdqvfM/a SWCoGCMrIDSSakovP+I0/Gi14CZPQoE4Dm6iKk23+xEuhiAuZOMJLe52LDGDKjQbqlaPxe O7w6VsFKhIzzjTD5raDgm+Hg58V2QIM=
Received: from NAM11-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn8nam11lp2170.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.58.170]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-28-YV5xxQu-NV2aL_JtSRQ1xQ-1; Fri, 01 May 2020 15:45:22 -0400
X-MC-Unique: YV5xxQu-NV2aL_JtSRQ1xQ-1
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=cVvG1vUzXdnRopcn3cpaMhwqIpmCKkqJWWlao/WMmv/SDhetF6IwDGeYkupVXGMSEQlemHMNb7ghjIbqMrGvwxU9//M0KA3Ygp9PSSlJ8hRz2/Ouy2vhRJvBn7HiggwHobtH6BQJIxtCd7l9MKZdLwinASgto4PuNybZoSdiyOeszGN3V96jliCrzrn0ZUjYY1qtO7eDOftLU5t8Su0DP273soBZdAZU9zPTHKKiJCUoE/ja58HGPHrMfuR/Bb633mqrcg91o0JdSPdjRfz74NX3JPLeBwiJLTCjdCgIvGKMdSyLPoFpamcXcM5TvuEm7r5cMwz3aMObQvG4NkJ22g==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com;  s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=tbxR7Jm/175sxbFIcvZyVnl++vtlF4nscSEWX1ft6Ck=; b=WsENH5ejTS88FaeCt7KcZgltPpqNYkFdlFIukRx0zZv3SwQjCip41XlYaDfOmD/eoOwQSWrjWduaTuYuF6vxDtihEq5ji+wx2WwRnKVaWEwyy8FVKDQuyXRbRrSL2FM+0ZV/yVqhTTA8KZ6fnec5lRMGFmLnFPwp6XR/cqXIWMXJAFCVQmFoQUeyY1BSs6sHgtQkbnldWJQAOfWQvAqatO/znSfzUGdn7buNf91ZdyW7WkXIAtF3UW7NjuoDx6r3xuGjBf0UlEwyKqGPnrIUTns/CldFfLuJSpiKEy9g2LLWVZnnEnfmnwhpDUXZJc9IMDeNO8tA3lS0OWI9FMOHWA==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=digicert.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=digicert.com; dkim=pass header.d=digicert.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digicert.com; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=tbxR7Jm/175sxbFIcvZyVnl++vtlF4nscSEWX1ft6Ck=; b=ItD7wLJbRf9C831n79fECLmyz5RRRY6lH46vJv653jSxGJ6ijBFsPKnmxRio5XGkH2rFV8Ud9q6j5Klfud8LWT+9xJnI8cc1K+bh+DAaErqkOpBeVPAU3AVATnCkMJ0yTNVbwB9yDjPrOcphIlJ1lTQ8bFx+L4R3r3HWFYLztsc=
Received: from BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:1e4::24) by BY5PR14MB4099.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:20c::20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2958.20; Fri, 1 May 2020 19:45:20 +0000
Received: from BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5d9a:c434:cd5b:8f44]) by BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5d9a:c434:cd5b:8f44%9]) with mapi id 15.20.2958.027; Fri, 1 May 2020 19:45:20 +0000
From: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
To: SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
Thread-Index: AdYf8KSSykcnQsXFRZy6I1/5Rblf8g==
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 19:45:20 +0000
Message-ID: <BY5PR14MB327012D3B084BB7752C4411683AB0@BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=digicert.com;
x-originating-ip: [74.98.249.186]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: c10145f7-d783-4df3-8c9c-08d7ee082e85
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BY5PR14MB4099:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <BY5PR14MB4099752A76AD88B3BEEAC03483AB0@BY5PR14MB4099.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6790;
x-forefront-prvs: 0390DB4BDA
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: Eo5DyaTJS5iisALwA8HWgENonldk7yvCE0hZVuyU+L1x6eB/19YapDHCRF+1h5IGQgswMooc3aFxFMLAxZAmdeirGHIqy9dSykC82JfAg2+ou+AF2Cwlc7+2K4FPCVd3dnrNUvteWeSxxbRsI2JrOSGhRjWNVIa2RjL1PzH2I1xLI2WnosAbp7PgxS/bH+zDyjfhIx193tHqk+k/GZCDzDlbzXCs4njEVuUtFRlqK82n6IYyuru5a2ExRaq79Qlj3f1Mpf84WcGriIab59IUS+F/QW2Vek+k0J0WF2GMN7HLwnuSsASSHXvwXgC0Be1uvtVsAMin/67jZhetXmVx8vyS8tevaZHvpx1oEUDWfLjWsFOzNCG2DR9uf5bR9Kd9jFWfvdTZdpmdwMNReMEJs5M7CTkdPf47N+cyxsF6u1XfNGACRQuk3UPWc6nsv5uF4UgJyVX/n06q0XsMk2G9RWF6Qobtu2y5GbgOlriBAl265FKv09u1rFu27Q6W0mjgnYbaih0lRlH+I5dS0clxoQ==
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:;  IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE;  SFTY:; SFS:(136003)(366004)(39850400004)(346002)(376002)(396003)(33656002)(966005)(5660300002)(52536014)(64756008)(4744005)(66476007)(66946007)(66556008)(66616009)(66446008)(99936003)(6916009)(316002)(15650500001)(71200400001)(76116006)(478600001)(186003)(44832011)(86362001)(2906002)(26005)(7696005)(6506007)(8936002)(8676002)(9686003)(55016002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; 
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=2.16.840.1.101.3.4.2.1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01D61FCF.61B324F0"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: digicert.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c10145f7-d783-4df3-8c9c-08d7ee082e85
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 May 2020 19:45:20.2145 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf813fa1-bde5-4e75-9479-f6aaa8b1f284
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ooHDQYeDmUtYyd6d66j5p/j9saLLc7ijXuIi97JMJSdB14j14J3ZqsyzK93FUiyiqTr1tkj3/ka/EUPHVPWdDsZHeaci1QV8JLgGRzQo3b8=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR14MB4099
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/QzP1fW4eSFZSswjO0W5iy2BI9BY>
Subject: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 19:45:34 -0000

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01D61FCF.61B324F0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01D61FCF.61B324F0"


------=_NextPart_001_0001_01D61FCF.61B324F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "Update to the Cryptographic Message
Syntax (CMS) for Algorithm Identifier Protection"
<draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-01>.  Please review the document
and send your comments to the list by 22 May 2020.

 

The datatracker page for the document is
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect/

 

-Tim

 

 

 


------=_NextPart_001_0001_01D61FCF.61B324F0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><META =
HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 =
(filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#0563C1;
	text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	mso-style-link:"Plain Text Char";
	margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle17
	{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
span.PlainTextChar
	{mso-style-name:"Plain Text Char";
	mso-style-priority:99;
	mso-style-link:"Plain Text";
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for &quot;Update to =
the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) for Algorithm Identifier =
Protection&#8221; =
&lt;draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-01&gt;.&nbsp; Please =
review the document and send your comments to the list by 22 May =
2020.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>The datatracker page for the document is <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-=
id-protect/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update=
-alg-id-protect/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-Tim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01D61FCF.61B324F0--

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01D61FCF.61B324F0
Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature;
	name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="smime.p7s"
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01D61FCF.61B324F0--


From nobody Fri May  1 14:01:09 2020
Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E4B3A1C9B for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 14:01:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhAs3JiubEFd for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  1 May 2020 14:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABAB63A1C98 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  1 May 2020 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D651538983; Fri,  1 May 2020 16:59:01 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212BBB6F; Fri,  1 May 2020 17:00:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: "Salz\, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <DF05F8CE-F4F1-4715-ADFC-3AB717A947C9@akamai.com>
References: <63B58892-60CB-42C9-8168-E5476E2F40CB@vigilsec.com> <4E7C3690-6F3F-45C1-817E-F9D4DB1B184E@vigilsec.com> <11381.1588286249@localhost> <A134C6AA-B24E-410F-953C-DC2C7CF11EA9@vigilsec.com> <DF05F8CE-F4F1-4715-ADFC-3AB717A947C9@akamai.com>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 17:00:57 -0400
Message-ID: <5914.1588366857@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/yZeNIjhHrOjib_j1z__rHqMfuSI>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-02
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 21:01:08 -0000

--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/plain


Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    >> I can imagine a sentence that would make a normative reference, but
    >> this one does not seem that way to me.

    > I agree this isn't a normative reference, and I don't object if it is made to be so.

I'm agnostic!
I had asked what the RFC-editor wanted, I thought I heard that it should be normative.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
 -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-




--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl6sjggACgkQgItw+93Q
3WVJuQf/ffsm5aDH2YyP7AR0Sfl4c3zWonW8J7w7BDtTrsfylkEtOn42jQGaaw4d
4yJQEmoNFV6IVI+bgf3SXGFZnEN/m4j+FLEGRxsyfmboqwnoK+nNndLYxVMvCdvd
cF/yQAu3SfpgptKpR8ilwxDsuoU18ugQt2509Uw2Rf/c8O8Uo9jI+WMzfQ67EApy
g/Lsee7rE0MPcKZfSSHALCLdMWSwRum1T9FpMugInpyuC/7eK7amblm0AcQpQ/6m
UXFpOa3UtP7gu8a29/Kp/2LRfR2ih9LYo7SwuDldMiU3FgnxtK2hazLZgfHQDRN2
NHX/r5aBQ6vPy7EQknOC9CV9Nc67mQ==
=dgWv
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--=-=-=--


From nobody Tue May  5 05:44:58 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B057C3A0404 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue,  5 May 2020 05:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.099
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RUiCxYmTgazQ for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue,  5 May 2020 05:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85EC13A0365 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue,  5 May 2020 05:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0050102.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 045Cf0tM017263; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:44:48 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : content-type : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=8iKYLm7mudYZ2Vf1t9ZWWOo9OHdrHb+AHV6cBfzPxFo=; b=gu1ysw821dtu9bxvJ7nggiEUxa6vlUiOc6knREVc3LwVr7hIl6boulohaharbFXdTVI5 0p4CctwETywCjpNqTnJrH9W6ozz/x03lB1EA5CrTsWDCku4ITNhseFXzpVma15lSmyM8 2cSfwtd0wWGbDnipQSn2WIGeJ1HjQq9h3nibYtZt0kWc2vQe2Dxc1BBmVDXkYdMT3Ogw CfPJIAZYhf7+YXfYf6VnYFzc5mLp2Rl7TX7mn7FwebETXrrSzAs2K96+qLfNhV6G1RzA TJ0qBua3zu5SjDcUEQrWqWljwP1csbvY3Jx6xAYHPk4k/X4neYPL6yA142cX4zR4qu/R 0w== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint7 (a72-247-45-33.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [72.247.45.33] (may be forged)) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. with ESMTP id 30rx1dnnk3-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 05 May 2020 13:44:47 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 045CWuB1004063; Tue, 5 May 2020 08:44:47 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.116]) by prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com with ESMTP id 30twrqcp7k-2 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 05 May 2020 08:44:47 -0400
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.123) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Tue, 5 May 2020 07:44:45 -0500
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Tue, 5 May 2020 07:44:45 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>, SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
Thread-Index: AQHWItr0wNX0bnkBOkCfBkkLa4kNvg==
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:44:45 +0000
Message-ID: <6241A781-C62B-4933-AF0E-89CA7D35B6E9@akamai.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.36.20041300
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.39.153]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6241A781C62B4933AF0E89CA7D35B6E9akamaicom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-05_08:2020-05-04, 2020-05-05 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=642 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005050100
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-05_08:2020-05-04, 2020-05-05 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1011 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=629 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050101
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/5UCSRGL6TlhQoEibeZ9xUwnx1hc>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 12:44:57 -0000

--_000_6241A781C62B4933AF0E89CA7D35B6E9akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

ICAqICAgVGhpcyBpcyB0aGUgTEFNUFMgV0cgTGFzdCBDYWxsIGZvciAiVXBkYXRlIHRvIHRoZSBD
cnlwdG9ncmFwaGljIE1lc3NhZ2UgU3ludGF4IChDTVMpIGZvciBBbGdvcml0aG0gSWRlbnRpZmll
ciBQcm90ZWN0aW9u4oCdIDxkcmFmdC1pZXRmLWxhbXBzLWNtcy11cGRhdGUtYWxnLWlkLXByb3Rl
Y3QtMDE+LiAgUGxlYXNlIHJldmlldyB0aGUgZG9jdW1lbnQgYW5kIHNlbmQgeW91ciBjb21tZW50
cyB0byB0aGUgbGlzdCBieSAyMiBNYXkgMjAyMC4NCg0KDQoNCkkganVzdCByZS1yZWFkIHRoaXMg
ZG9jdW1lbnQuICBJdOKAmXMgdmVyeSB3ZWxsLXdyaXR0ZW4sIHNob3VsZCBzYWlsIHRocm91Z2gg
dGhlIGRpcmVjdG9yYXRlcyBhbmQgSUVTRyByZXZpZXcuICBTaGlwIGl0Lg0KDQo=

--_000_6241A781C62B4933AF0E89CA7D35B6E9akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <0A3CAE8A7906264981DC7AA20E85A7F4@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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--_000_6241A781C62B4933AF0E89CA7D35B6E9akamaicom_--


From nobody Tue May  5 07:27:17 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EB33A0538 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue,  5 May 2020 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id do5CwvAaE5FK for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue,  5 May 2020 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8873C3A046E for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue,  5 May 2020 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354AF300B4F for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue,  5 May 2020 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9GS1_6uft3pe for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue,  5 May 2020 10:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 730393004AF for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue,  5 May 2020 10:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BC5AF0A4-D756-43F0-AB1E-AD62C46319CC"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Message-Id: <798FE04D-D3F2-4370-B48D-F5B8E5F4E0D4@vigilsec.com>
References: <158857581528.28405.17372040856513106617@ietfa.amsl.com>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:27:11 -0400
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/z3SGGqb5vGRRR3zwZ51lb6ecgR8>
Subject: [lamps] Survey on planning for possible online IETF meetings
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 14:27:16 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_BC5AF0A4-D756-43F0-AB1E-AD62C46319CC
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=us-ascii

Please participate in this survey. The survey data will be very =
important as we plan future IETF meetings.

Thanks,
Russ

> From: IETF Executive Director <exec-director@ietf.org =
<mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF =
meetings
> Date: May 4, 2020 at 3:03:35 AM EDT
> To: "IETF Announcement List" <ietf-announce@ietf.org =
<mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org>>
> Reply-To: ietf108planning@ietf.org <mailto:ietf108planning@ietf.org>
>=20
> This is a reminder that we need the IETF community to help us plan for =
the possibility that one or more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and =
possibly 2021 may not be able to go ahead in person.  You can help us =
with this by filling out the following survey:=20
>=20
> 	https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ =
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ>
>=20
> So far we have 114 responses and we would ideally like 500 or more.
>=20
> The survey contains the following pages and will take 15-20 minutes to =
complete:
>=20
> 1. Welcome
> 2. Online IETF 107 and the subsequent virtual interims
> 3. Replacing a cancelled in-person meeting
> 4. Online meeting format and timezone
> 5. Replicating humming
> 6. Replicating the hallway environment
> 7. Fees
> 8. Thanks and anything else
>=20
> We run the survey in anonymous mode which means that we only see data =
that you explicitly provide.
>=20
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>=20
> --=20
> Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair
> Jay Daley, IETF Executive Director
> Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair


--Apple-Mail=_BC5AF0A4-D756-43F0-AB1E-AD62C46319CC
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=us-ascii

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><meta=
 http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Please participate in =
this survey. The survey data will be very important as we plan future =
IETF meetings.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Russ<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, =
&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b class=3D"">From: =
</b></span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, =
&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, sans-serif;">IETF Executive =
Director &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:exec-director@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">exec-director@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Reminder: Survey =
on planning for possible online IETF meetings</b><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">May 4, 2020 at 3:03:35 AM =
EDT<br class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">"IETF Announcement List" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D""></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Reply-To: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf108planning@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">ietf108planning@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""></span></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">This is a reminder that we =
need the IETF community to help us plan for the possibility that one or =
more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and possibly 2021 may not be able to =
go ahead in person. &nbsp;You can help us with this by filling out the =
following survey: <br class=3D""><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ" =
class=3D"">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">So far we have 114 responses and we would ideally like 500 or =
more.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The survey contains the following =
pages and will take 15-20 minutes to complete:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">1. Welcome<br class=3D"">2. Online IETF 107 and the =
subsequent virtual interims<br class=3D"">3. Replacing a cancelled =
in-person meeting<br class=3D"">4. Online meeting format and timezone<br =
class=3D"">5. Replicating humming<br class=3D"">6. Replicating the =
hallway environment<br class=3D"">7. Fees<br class=3D"">8. Thanks and =
anything else<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We run the survey in =
anonymous mode which means that we only see data that you explicitly =
provide.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thank you in advance for your =
help.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D"">Alissa Cooper, IETF =
Chair<br class=3D"">Jay Daley, IETF Executive Director<br class=3D"">Colin=
 Perkins, IRTF Chair<br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_BC5AF0A4-D756-43F0-AB1E-AD62C46319CC--


From nobody Wed May  6 02:43:03 2020
Return-Path: <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15553A07A8 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 02:43:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=siemens.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68UpTVoiviOm for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 02:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR03-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr50070.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.5.70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBC963A07BB for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 02:42:58 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=CF2pjnHChidI4S2sx86kCx7wUJqC7286HEo6wmWuS+1X+58SeE4iun5p9zKcX/pYm1tHxo7R/WzsOn93iTxGIkwjZ3UssKnNXQN3CPWQyEk6+reo4uTMCimxqxOTjhkAtDhxGY22Ghatwj3Br/nnocHYfDQiHJGoKkMFRAdlh3xgh3FTOukB9inE3LqpsZLfLIdXVXlPzPmviGsVX63dPdTVCImWP69UB5IoTnc8nj6idMYj67xa/36aGL3ZfDNJL4W1kLXX2Mbys1wtDIfuE9kLbP6LRN4QFTvQ6PqXTTS6o9s45V44TTgVmUAx6ZLiZF4YFR8kFG8boUtC4vUXBg==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com;  s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=slaZA22/wOt3WcQ+dJZ60EjZ728xxGaLGotTubxcCv4=; b=g0DzwY+aWiwGvHlf4zweK6ffKgzGGMZcxkLYHykFD/3nxeas3YoLzw2bcI6kZiKkt+EttLH5sUz72B85rtuzmIv7cD2sKq0dSLzmfrwBUf9ucPSfMyNKIaqZnyOnvPRdu9qcL0ilIocZ/NlWSbntgWOgUlzZjSp8/2FG8nMg3pWj1OctuAEqcBp7HA7rM+8QO82KK/pxZiLDWOD9YaP1wTN5n4M2Gi1xzxTcx/gn5lJl3tUIlhvjyYkPAOUcUmbpGaH+UcF+uxA12VIwvMl2KZip/PEus8o9Yj4ycNiVC1PsVL291SQV7jPIZCSxN9IY/YHA0pC+gbZY3Gjqke13ug==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=siemens.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=siemens.com; dkim=pass header.d=siemens.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siemens.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-siemens-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=slaZA22/wOt3WcQ+dJZ60EjZ728xxGaLGotTubxcCv4=; b=EpM/GtDUmcU/kncrpofluVCs7pan2LC8tZSkuJE06nmc9/YaJnzM8XwyFgFHTnR0M/TkULciuuByIpL6T1+CQ+/7AsRY1EtENXYZpRz2B72kwV5Q0vdGsCBCGeSTyt+OISXPxF58b3AyzDahM1bVI2AhMO0eAOOIO5y1N+ufhdI=
Received: from AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:208:e2::32) by AM0PR10MB3475.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:20b:15d::10) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2979.28; Wed, 6 May 2020 09:42:56 +0000
Received: from AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::85a4:2ab:a6b9:e1a3]) by AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::85a4:2ab:a6b9:e1a3%6]) with mapi id 15.20.2958.030; Wed, 6 May 2020 09:42:56 +0000
From: "Brockhaus, Hendrik" <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>
CC: "steffen.fries@siemens.com" <steffen.fries@siemens.com>
Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
Thread-Index: AdYjiqD70iVEvJBYSCuMsO7kBTpDbw==
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 09:42:56 +0000
Message-ID: <AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US
Content-Language: de-DE
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=siemens.com;
x-originating-ip: [165.225.200.175]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 2b25c15e-77f4-46e9-e700-08d7f1a1db3a
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM0PR10MB3475:|AM0PR10MB3475:
x-ld-processed: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a,ExtAddr
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <AM0PR10MB3475D6DA319F6E799D14DEC8FEA40@AM0PR10MB3475.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:7691;
x-forefront-prvs: 03950F25EC
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:;  IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; PTR:; CAT:NONE;  SFTY:; SFS:(4636009)(136003)(396003)(376002)(366004)(346002)(39860400002)(33430700001)(71200400001)(33656002)(5660300002)(478600001)(186003)(4744005)(33440700001)(19627235002)(7696005)(26005)(8936002)(8676002)(52536014)(64756008)(316002)(66556008)(66446008)(86362001)(66476007)(66946007)(76116006)(2906002)(55016002)(55236004)(4326008)(107886003)(9686003)(6506007)(110136005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; 
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40AM0PR10MB2402EURP_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: siemens.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 2b25c15e-77f4-46e9-e700-08d7f1a1db3a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 May 2020 09:42:56.4834 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: bNCAiteb2yJ2n6SDRMQJVcHsJRnz2yhFdWDx7T1giKUXR0d/gZmuqP+04NJwKhDQVzwH9dhRjCQ8d3bwk9RHLMtOFkebBzz1Xea0aIZN6pY=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR10MB3475
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/8yysc0d_lXAPAniBmJVgz_Xq9B4>
Subject: [lamps] draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 09:43:01 -0000

--_000_AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40AM0PR10MB2402EURP_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

During IETF 107 we discussed whether to use pkcs-9-at-friendlyName or pkcs-=
9-at-localKeyId as specified in RFC 2985 section 5.5 in envelopedData to tr=
ansport an identifier for the revocation passphrase.
The WG seemed to prefer the localKeyId.

@Jim, did you manage to take a look on this and do you have a different opi=
nion?

-- Hendrik

--_000_AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40AM0PR10MB2402EURP_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr=
osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:=
//www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"=
>
<meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang=3D"DE" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">During IETF 107 we discussed wh=
ether to use pkcs-9-at-friendlyName or pkcs-9-at-localKeyId as specified in=
 RFC 2985 section 5.5 in envelopedData to transport an identifier for the r=
evocation passphrase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The WG seemed to prefer the loc=
alKeyId.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">@Jim, did you manage to take a =
look on this and do you have a different opinion?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-- Hendrik<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
</body>
</html>

--_000_AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40AM0PR10MB2402EURP_--


From nobody Wed May  6 07:28:17 2020
Return-Path: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietf.org
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8873A09F3; Wed,  6 May 2020 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: spasm@ietf.org
X-Test-IDTracker: no
X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.129.0
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: spasm@ietf.org
Message-ID: <158877522732.30984.15330377656359745639@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 07:27:07 -0700
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/OlWr9t4FdwtElO64K9gStmcDpFw>
Subject: [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 14:27:08 -0000

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Clarification of Enrollment over Secure Transport (EST): transfer encodings and ASN.1
        Authors         : Michael Richardson
                          Thomas Werner
                          Wei Pan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2020-05-06

Abstract:
   This document updates RFC7030: Enrollment over Secure Transport (EST)
   to resolve some errata that was reported, and which has proven to
   cause interoperability issues when RFC7030 was extended.

   This document deprecates the specification of "Content-Transfer-
   Encoding" headers for EST endpoints.  This document fixes some
   syntactical errors in ASN.1 that was presented.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/



From nobody Wed May  6 07:34:04 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892933A07D5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPtg3J0oSu8g for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 07:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2E723A0B25 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 07:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4535D300B2F for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id tsrFE1KyEhga for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:33:47 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDC1B3009FF; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:33:47 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <158877522732.30984.15330377656359745639@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 10:33:49 -0400
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <27233EB3-22D2-4C59-A0AA-4D67A2787F4B@vigilsec.com>
References: <158877522732.30984.15330377656359745639@ietfa.amsl.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/E8yXTlcekRXONage1XzyArAbzhk>
Subject: Re: [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 14:34:03 -0000

Michael:

Thanks for the updates.  I really like Appendix B.  No need to make =
another updates, but I want to share how I have resolved that problem in =
the past.

~~~
Appendix A.  ASN.1 Module

   This annex provides the normative ASN.1 definitions for the
   structures described in this specification using ASN.1 as defined in
   [X680] through [X683].

   The ASN.1 modules makes imports from the ASN.1 modules in
   [RFC5212] and [RFC6268].

   There is no ASN.1 Module in RFC 7030.  This module has been created
   by combining the lines that are contained in the document body.

   ...
~~~

Enjoy,
  Russ


> On May 6, 2020, at 10:27 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Limited Additional Mechanisms for =
PKIX and SMIME WG of the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : Clarification of Enrollment over Secure =
Transport (EST): transfer encodings and ASN.1
>        Authors         : Michael Richardson
>                          Thomas Werner
>                          Wei Pan
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.txt
> 	Pages           : 12
> 	Date            : 2020-05-06
>=20
> Abstract:
>   This document updates RFC7030: Enrollment over Secure Transport =
(EST)
>   to resolve some errata that was reported, and which has proven to
>   cause interoperability issues when RFC7030 was extended.
>=20
>   This document deprecates the specification of "Content-Transfer-
>   Encoding" headers for EST endpoints.  This document fixes some
>   syntactical errors in ASN.1 that was presented.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify/
>=20
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-=
05
>=20
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05=

>=20
>=20
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =
submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>=20
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm


From nobody Wed May  6 09:48:50 2020
Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1264D3A0953 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 09:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vdARed5yPQB for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 09:48:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CA023A0826 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1598E3818F; Wed,  6 May 2020 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA538C; Wed,  6 May 2020 12:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <27233EB3-22D2-4C59-A0AA-4D67A2787F4B@vigilsec.com>
References: <158877522732.30984.15330377656359745639@ietfa.amsl.com> <27233EB3-22D2-4C59-A0AA-4D67A2787F4B@vigilsec.com>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 12:48:30 -0400
Message-ID: <20115.1588783710@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/gpx1HFCwtLZ309F5ftaR0xXtadg>
Subject: Re: [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 16:48:49 -0000

--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/plain


Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
    > Thanks for the updates.  I really like Appendix B.  No need to make
    > another updates, but I want to share how I have resolved that problem
    > in the past.

Thanks.  I like your wording, and I have put in the document for next
update.

I still have the errata as normative reference.
So far two ADs say normative, two say informative and Barry wants no reference.
No answer from RFC-editor on their preference.
I invoke Cunningshams' Law and leave it as it "wrong" so that someone will
object.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
 -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-




--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl6y6l4ACgkQgItw+93Q
3WXdNQgAqZQz6EeeUkqc1VmPM7a2zv1drm4FjDezxWhf4tQMMssnqSLZSb9BOZ9z
mVZdNVfrabhTn2Lz3VRPKWy4IHsTAfhDi+2rR6aW2H0OJFNrZpXW2IqUgLH36ybe
84eVmRR2QWAYe3iyUyVO1i4mkdsIYjmZBnHEuLWI0Xy5XM38N4DKpiNeYN0fcKUd
HEcqRee8Q/E+5ZqofzSLU0J1IJga/Meis2waKImOnfDJ8Y6wAHwic7mS6eDWKZfO
UV4PiaYWcAYEH1AceP+koftGhmDa+dVbTQDC4JE9K2Kn+Wp/YPgDuMdfFuoLj0Gg
eb8HwI7PKhLEApjasK9RMs9m/eAFyw==
=I69E
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--=-=-=--


From nobody Wed May  6 10:11:48 2020
Return-Path: <ietf@augustcellars.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476C53A0844 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S57Ys3QOJ_z6 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C0E13A0842 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed,  6 May 2020 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Wed, 6 May 2020 10:11:33 -0700
From: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>
To: "'Brockhaus, Hendrik'" <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>, 'LAMPS WG' <spasm@ietf.org>
CC: <steffen.fries@siemens.com>
References: <AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 10:11:30 -0700
Message-ID: <040401d623c9$64fa1d00$2eee5700$@augustcellars.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0405_01D6238E.B89B9320"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQE4vfJ6kT+ggo2MKd1BIQ0zK6OTSqnWFcIA
Content-Language: en-us
X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170]
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/pmIa8OhqiscMqnRLKem87N4-Css>
Subject: Re: [lamps] draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 17:11:47 -0000

------=_NextPart_000_0405_01D6238E.B89B9320
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would generally prefer the use of pkcs-9-at-localKeyId due to the fact
that it is an OCTET STRING.  I don't like the use of BMPString for much of
anything.  The only worry that I have is this is not being used according to
the description as this is not "locally in applications".  I would interpret
this as not leaving the local machine.  

 

Jim

 

 

From: Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:43 AM
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>; Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>
Cc: steffen.fries@siemens.com
Subject: draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId
containing a revocation passphrase hint

 

During IETF 107 we discussed whether to use pkcs-9-at-friendlyName or
pkcs-9-at-localKeyId as specified in RFC 2985 section 5.5 in envelopedData
to transport an identifier for the revocation passphrase.

The WG seemed to prefer the localKeyId.

 

@Jim, did you manage to take a look on this and do you have a different
opinion?

 

-- Hendrik


------=_NextPart_000_0405_01D6238E.B89B9320
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 =
(filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 56.7pt 70.85pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I would generally prefer the use of =
pkcs-9-at-localKeyId due to the fact that it is an OCTET STRING.&nbsp; I =
don&#8217;t like the use of BMPString for much of anything.&nbsp; The =
only worry that I have is this is not being used according to the =
description as this is not &#8220;locally in applications&#8221;.&nbsp; =
I would interpret this as not leaving the local machine.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Brockhaus, Hendrik =
&lt;hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 6, =
2020 2:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> LAMPS WG &lt;spasm@ietf.org&gt;; Jim Schaad =
&lt;ietf@augustcellars.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
steffen.fries@siemens.com<br><b>Subject:</b> =
draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId =
containing a revocation passphrase hint<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>During IETF =
107 we discussed whether to use pkcs-9-at-friendlyName or =
pkcs-9-at-localKeyId as specified in RFC 2985 section 5.5 in =
envelopedData to transport an identifier for the revocation =
passphrase.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The WG seemed to prefer =
the localKeyId.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>@Jim, did =
you manage to take a look on this and do you have a different =
opinion?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-- Hendrik<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_0405_01D6238E.B89B9320--


From nobody Thu May  7 23:29:52 2020
Return-Path: <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980783A07BB for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu,  7 May 2020 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=siemens.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqOP-pIS9G8Z for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu,  7 May 2020 23:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am6eur05on2046.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.22.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5B963A07B5 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Thu,  7 May 2020 23:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=iS8jzOnC9eyAlJ9XbT54Lj6AdIDYUCO7ML1nfM7xeOYUIr/yapnxaQNM+4ZWWt+baiB8SnHk5qclH4W4ngaWPuiA/RsoH4XvD3xHgcflp7gaSD8Udut3Nak19KFZPmsQBjhweWvZSuyO2Gmb51xs+4lhrrrqDee7ZxfCxLoBrfO0Ix5AB4zqNPQHVaM2fH8VAUVmtjxmlZIuJA9PxJ+eZ805Xd/CFtMoxsOPF5IHxzMEQtVefnVGSihDxiAHDQ0sXmU+YdPcvyTzXDo0i0eETt6/bouiULyYJZwlLzKDkdWUW9bVPY13EbgQu3QtpJtTQRpDVN+FNfj6/PStx1AtUg==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com;  s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=75o1gt80OZAvmdgtwlfDqfYW7RerTX/ZOFf0wjbH8/U=; b=euXYlF+PrWIS+fgJD/wvcSqx7u1COCbB1cjeHhzFbgzlem9BIonwpxLsfMspxpD9mI0oKcfj69JhH506cDs0SChaxPSMWozwY46NGkb8YUtaNCugD7Inu5WddrmXDszkNKZnHwX8FP43I8QNUIf2Gl2qQFIJMKG7CswDDAyxij1VEF0lvP5V/+o+KnH0apwLaeW9ACfPEIUUB1DeRzdJtam5CwUe9fIJ+n01LxmbgkYIkNGjRW9ExqMSaEsst1vAmsXxWWEqlSUh8evFTktpI/JvnGEerwhyuy2n1s+UY4RLj2myW8229MXPNg8+NaRaT1qR0cSXLMa3m22pRP6m8Q==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=siemens.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=siemens.com; dkim=pass header.d=siemens.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siemens.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-siemens-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=75o1gt80OZAvmdgtwlfDqfYW7RerTX/ZOFf0wjbH8/U=; b=Nn5Y//aR0QVrfFMhp7cFlYOd8Wnam2pdxyRRtdFpIrccKMI2cN0SuaquCCeUDMcgwyIdIw0282/H/y7AL1jGMTqjFS3DMAPGoB8WkozQSYMY3oN8yHp8gUd9wcC8ui5LvHfk4oysAFHGUYboOZh9d+NoBf6ybSSsE9QHIbhgyV0=
Received: from AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:208:e2::32) by AM0PR10MB3650.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:20b:153::22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2979.28; Fri, 8 May 2020 06:29:42 +0000
Received: from AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::85a4:2ab:a6b9:e1a3]) by AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::85a4:2ab:a6b9:e1a3%6]) with mapi id 15.20.2958.034; Fri, 8 May 2020 06:29:42 +0000
From: "Brockhaus, Hendrik" <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>
To: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>, 'LAMPS WG' <spasm@ietf.org>
CC: "steffen.fries@siemens.com" <steffen.fries@siemens.com>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
Thread-Index: AdYjiqD70iVEvJBYSCuMsO7kBTpDbwAPsFkAAE34PwA=
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 06:29:42 +0000
Message-ID: <AM0PR10MB240224A6A4D073D6E2614C8FFEA20@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <040401d623c9$64fa1d00$2eee5700$@augustcellars.com>
In-Reply-To: <040401d623c9$64fa1d00$2eee5700$@augustcellars.com>
Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US
Content-Language: de-DE
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
x-document-confidentiality: NotClassified
authentication-results: augustcellars.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;augustcellars.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=siemens.com;
x-originating-ip: [165.225.200.180]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: c03197f4-7da8-4d85-4533-08d7f31931a1
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM0PR10MB3650:|AM0PR10MB3650:
x-ld-processed: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a,ExtAddr
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <AM0PR10MB365097799A8729E2565002B7FEA20@AM0PR10MB3650.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273;
x-forefront-prvs: 039735BC4E
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:;  IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; PTR:; CAT:NONE;  SFTY:; SFS:(4636009)(136003)(39860400002)(346002)(396003)(366004)(376002)(33430700001)(9686003)(55016002)(316002)(8676002)(6506007)(66556008)(66446008)(52536014)(71200400001)(107886003)(83300400001)(8936002)(19627235002)(4326008)(83320400001)(83280400001)(66946007)(83310400001)(83290400001)(76116006)(110136005)(55236004)(26005)(186003)(7696005)(33440700001)(64756008)(66476007)(33656002)(478600001)(86362001)(15650500001)(5660300002)(2906002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; 
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: siemens.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c03197f4-7da8-4d85-4533-08d7f31931a1
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 May 2020 06:29:42.7949 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: tk9HNBVrV4l1hd+MzEWsEBv9sEVqxGGHtJFKf87rjYsOgq2q869k/d0NUMGjMsC976RxDhS+xWXx5IG/HoDjkC8IQD6xYZTQ0b173ASJw4E=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR10MB3650
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/cNcpnYgOc0Y5XSpeX50IgXKWKX8>
Subject: Re: [lamps] draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 06:29:50 -0000

> Von: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Jim Schaad
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 19:12
>
> I would generally prefer the use of pkcs-9-at-localKeyId due to the fact =
that it is an OCTET STRING.=A0=20
> I don't like the use of BMPString for much of anything.=A0 The only worry=
 that I have is this is not=20
> being used according to the description as this is not "locally in applic=
ations".=A0 I would interpret this=20
> as not leaving the local machine.=A0=20

I see the issue. RFC2985  says:
   The localKeyId attribute type specifies an identifier for a
   particular key.  It is only to be used locally in applications.

I updated Appendix B of RFC4210 only for completeness of changing from Encr=
yptedValue to=20
EncryptedKey. Therefore I tried to reuse existing OIDs instead of defining =
new ones. Currently I see the=20
best fit with localKeyId for transporting the identifier of the revocation =
passphrase and I regard the=20
extension of the scope as minor. What do others think?

Would the use of localKeyId be acceptable despite the slide expansion of th=
e scope?
Does anyone sees a better solution?
Or should I register an additional OID for this use case?

-- Hendrik

> > From: Brockhaus, Hendrik <mailto:hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:43 AM
> >
> > During IETF 107 we discussed whether to use pkcs-9-at-friendlyName or p=
kcs-9-at-localKeyId as=20
> > specified in RFC 2985 section 5.5 in envelopedData to transport an iden=
tifier for the revocation=20
> > passphrase.
> > The WG seemed to prefer the localKeyId.
> >=20
> > @Jim, did you manage to take a look on this and do you have a different=
 opinion?


From nobody Fri May  8 10:06:19 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9487A3A1044 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  8 May 2020 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iems6xyEZuoB for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri,  8 May 2020 10:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CCBA3A0DDA for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  8 May 2020 10:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46BA300B69 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  8 May 2020 13:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id cFieUuQc9xAk for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri,  8 May 2020 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6BF1300A2E; Fri,  8 May 2020 13:05:19 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR10MB240224A6A4D073D6E2614C8FFEA20@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 13:05:21 -0400
Cc: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>, LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <B42472C6-6456-4CA5-8087-DDFB8EE26D44@vigilsec.com>
References: <AM0PR10MB2402173DFBD40DFF043AE839FEA40@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <040401d623c9$64fa1d00$2eee5700$@augustcellars.com> <AM0PR10MB240224A6A4D073D6E2614C8FFEA20@AM0PR10MB2402.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
To: "Brockhaus, Hendrik" <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com>, "steffen.fries@siemens.com" <steffen.fries@siemens.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/khynjwU2OdAzrheR_kfKZVIGGss>
Subject: Re: [lamps] draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates section 3.8 using pkcs-9-at-localKeyId containing a revocation passphrase hint
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 17:06:02 -0000

Hendrik:

>> Von: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Jim Schaad
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 19:12
>>=20
>> I would generally prefer the use of pkcs-9-at-localKeyId due to the =
fact that it is an OCTET STRING. =20
>> I don't like the use of BMPString for much of anything.  The only =
worry that I have is this is not=20
>> being used according to the description as this is not "locally in =
applications".  I would interpret this=20
>> as not leaving the local machine. =20
>=20
> I see the issue. RFC2985  says:
>   The localKeyId attribute type specifies an identifier for a
>   particular key.  It is only to be used locally in applications.
>=20
> I updated Appendix B of RFC4210 only for completeness of changing from =
EncryptedValue to=20
> EncryptedKey. Therefore I tried to reuse existing OIDs instead of =
defining new ones. Currently I see the=20
> best fit with localKeyId for transporting the identifier of the =
revocation passphrase and I regard the=20
> extension of the scope as minor. What do others think?
>=20
> Would the use of localKeyId be acceptable despite the slide expansion =
of the scope?

I just reread that part of RFC 2985, and the meaning of "local" is not =
scoped in any way.  Since we are talking about a subject sending a =
message to the CA or RA, I think we can consider that to be "local".

> Does anyone sees a better solution?
> Or should I register an additional OID for this use case?

Let's just use the OID that has already been assigned in RFC 2985.

Russ


From nobody Mon May 11 00:05:26 2020
Return-Path: <era@x500.eu>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8BD3A07DC for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 May 2020 00:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.695
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.695 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=x500.eu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GqDo5mg4wdK3 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 May 2020 00:05:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [212.237.249.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E50913A07A1 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 00:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231F40691F1 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:05:13 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B7Uqt-oKxsz7 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:05:12 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from mail-proxy.dandomain.dk (dilvs03.dandomain.net [194.150.112.64]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C3A3340691D2 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:05:11 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=x500.eu; s=dandomain; t=1589180712; bh=gRxQAUWdHWZjaXCzGFTRH+aMkfcZiuTrKcH+csQ+K7k=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=KdDLPt90u/ev4QUxq0h9fXHpJupaaY2ml3yOkKe+5wcqP+JszzRKpJ1Cb72/YqMic CsiSqTSdmHGiyV5Yrw0G6kO0EE5fzpZzrAm+M7fKs9x3qzFx9bHvhAFYSivYJifLHT 9DOMxM3Mh3JQSEt50kCjSrTOz9vyvPn6a6EiCeU+nd46OjZrwvRHJN0Jcq9rITnejo 6CQMxUrPZx1FmnspcIeAuj7Ev54/qdzoN0O55WrTMMao/mMMTWXb1wNy2C5iCynkPN PM8/D0833Jfr2Y88KnUBEXNJmVbynds1COxx8LR++aBPaViALuF2NqcVT4+QVqV+3d 4177WGLf6LK5g==
From: "Erik Andersen" <era@x500.eu>
To: "LAMPS" <spasm@ietf.org>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 09:05:11 +0200
Message-ID: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D62773.4710E460"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AdYmysgWP4xsKPedQly3iSGlHws7SQ==
Content-Language: en-gb
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/eC8RaoO8qGzoUdA9JtJv2VHJi1Q>
Subject: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:05:21 -0000

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D62773.4710E460
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01D62773.4710E460"


------=_NextPart_001_0002_01D62773.4710E460
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In our work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have identified a limitation with
the current ALGORITHM information object class. The current definition is 

 

ALGORITHM ::= CLASS {

  &Type         OPTIONAL,

  &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }

WITH SYNTAX {

  [PARMS        &Type]

  IDENTIFIED BY &id }

 

The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated with the
algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:

 

1.       Parameters that provide additional information about the procedure
to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is ecPublicKey, where
the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be used. 

2.       Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used when
the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that require a
value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted data.

 

This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When specifying
ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the parameter value is relevant.
When specifying AES-CBC in such a negotiation, the random value of some
InitializationVector is not relevant. This make algorithm negotiation
cumbersome.

 

We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information object class
in the following way.

 

ALGORITHM ::= CLASS {

  &Type         OPTIONAL,

  &DynParms     OPTIONAL,

  &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }

WITH SYNTAX {

  [PARMS        &Type]

  [DYN-PARMS    &DynParms]

  IDENTIFIED BY &id }

 

A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object class is attached. It
also includes three derivative parameterized data types. By using those data
types it has been possible to define the wrapper protocol without "hard
coding" specific algorithm details, e.g., we have avoided a specific
component for an initialization vector. This has allowed different
cryptographic algorithms to be used for different communication instances
make life a little more difficult for adversaries.  

 

Certain algorithms have to be redefined, which could cause some negative
reactions. As an example the aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed from

 

aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::= { 

  PARMS         AES-InitializationVector

  IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }

 

To 

 

aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::= { 

  DYN-PARMS       AES-InitializationVector

  IDENTIFIED BY { <some OID> } }

 

However, most algorithms do not need to be modified.

 

The current version of X.510 may be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=0.

 

Any comments?

 

Best regards,

 

Erik

 

 

 

 

 

 


------=_NextPart_001_0002_01D62773.4710E460
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 =
(filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#0563C1;
	text-decoration:underline;}
span.ASN1Char1
	{mso-style-name:"ASN\.1 Char1";
	mso-style-link:"ASN\.1";
	font-family:"Courier New";
	font-weight:bold;}
p.ASN1, li.ASN1, div.ASN1
	{mso-style-name:"ASN\.1";
	mso-style-link:"ASN\.1 Char1";
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:9.0pt;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;
	font-weight:bold;}
span.EmailStyle22
	{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
	{mso-list-id:1103260723;
	mso-list-type:hybrid;
	mso-list-template-ids:1703985750 67502095 67502105 67502107 67502095 =
67502105 67502107 67502095 67502105 67502107;}
@list l0:level1
	{mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:38.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level2
	{mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:74.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level3
	{mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:right;
	margin-left:110.5pt;
	text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level4
	{mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:146.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level5
	{mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:182.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level6
	{mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:right;
	margin-left:218.5pt;
	text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level7
	{mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:254.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level8
	{mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	margin-left:290.5pt;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level9
	{mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
	mso-level-tab-stop:none;
	mso-level-number-position:right;
	margin-left:326.5pt;
	text-indent:-9.0pt;}
ol
	{margin-bottom:0cm;}
ul
	{margin-bottom:0cm;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DDA =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>In our work with IEC 62351-4 and =
X.510 we have identified a limitation with the current ALGORITHM =
information object class. The current definition is =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>WITH SYNTAX {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; [PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;Type]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'>The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated with the =
algorithms. However, the parameters are of two =
types:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1 =
style=3D'margin-left:38.5pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'>Parameters that provide additional information about the procedure =
to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is ecPublicKey, =
where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be used. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1 =
style=3D'margin-left:38.5pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'>Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used when =
the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that require =
a value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted =
data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'>This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When =
specifying&nbsp; ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the =
parameter value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a =
negotiation, the random value of some InitializationVector is not =
relevant. This make algorithm negotiation =
cumbersome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'>We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information =
object class in the following way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB>ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS =
{<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; =
<span style=3D'color:red'>&amp;DynParms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>WITH SYNTAX {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; [PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;Type]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; <span =
style=3D'color:red'>[DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;DynParms]</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DASN1><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>A suggested update to the ALGORITHM =
information object class is attached. It also includes three derivative =
parameterized data types. By using those data types it has been possible =
to define the wrapper protocol without &#8220;hard coding&#8221; =
specific algorithm details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component =
for an initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Certain algorithms have to be =
redefined, which could cause some negative reactions. As an example the =
aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed from<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D { =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;&nbsp;PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; AES-InitializationVector<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } =
}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>To <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D { <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;&nbsp;DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
AES-InitializationVector<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { &lt;some OID&gt; } =
}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>However, most algorithms do not need to be =
modified.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The current version of X.510 may be found at <a =
href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0">https=
://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0</a>.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Any comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Best =
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Erik<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DASN1><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:no=
rmal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01D62773.4710E460--

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D62773.4710E460
Content-Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; 
 name="algorithms.docx"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="algorithms.docx"
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=

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D62773.4710E460--


From nobody Mon May 11 09:35:23 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F883A0A6A for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WRYfwBBRQtC7 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06EEB3A0A51 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A403D300B43 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3dchtRWuWwxj for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CAB53004AF; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE1B4487-24D4-45A2-8B3B-58997D4B7392"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:34:56 -0400
In-Reply-To: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu>
Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/pkzWOod2FysNmVRKaAmAT7t2prQ>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:35:22 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_FE1B4487-24D4-45A2-8B3B-58997D4B7392
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8

If both parameter types are present, then interoperability will be =
gravely impacted.

Russ


> On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu> wrote:
>=20
> In our work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have identified a limitation =
with the current ALGORITHM information object class. The current =
definition is=20
> =20
> ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {
>   &Type         OPTIONAL,
>   &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }
> WITH SYNTAX {
>   [PARMS        &Type]
>   IDENTIFIED BY &id }
> =20
> The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated with the =
algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:
> =20
> 1.       Parameters that provide additional information about the =
procedure to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is =
ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be used.=20=

> 2.       Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used =
when the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that =
require a value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted =
data.
> =20
> This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When =
specifying  ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the parameter =
value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a negotiation, the =
random value of some InitializationVector is not relevant. This make =
algorithm negotiation cumbersome.
> =20
> We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information object =
class in the following way.
> =20
> ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {
>   &Type         OPTIONAL,
>   &DynParms     OPTIONAL,
>   &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }
> WITH SYNTAX {
>   [PARMS        &Type]
>   [DYN-PARMS    &DynParms]
>   IDENTIFIED BY &id }
> =20
> A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object class is =
attached. It also includes three derivative parameterized data types. By =
using those data types it has been possible to define the wrapper =
protocol without =E2=80=9Chard coding=E2=80=9D specific algorithm =
details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component for an =
initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. =20
> =20
> Certain algorithms have to be redefined, which could cause some =
negative reactions. As an example the aes256-CBC algorithm must be =
changed from
> =20
> aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20
>   PARMS         AES-InitializationVector
>   IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }
> =20
> To=20
> =20
> aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20
>   DYN-PARMS       AES-InitializationVector
>   IDENTIFIED BY { <some OID> } }
> =20
> However, most algorithms do not need to be modified.
> =20
> The current version of X.510 may be found at =
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0 =
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0>.
> =20
> Any comments?
> =20
> Best regards,
> =20
> Erik
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> <algorithms.docx>_______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>

--Apple-Mail=_FE1B4487-24D4-45A2-8B3B-58997D4B7392
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">If =
both parameter types are present, then interoperability will be gravely =
impacted.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Russ</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May =
11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik Andersen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:era@x500.eu" =
class=3D"">era@x500.eu</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">In our work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have =
identified a limitation with the current ALGORITHM information object =
class. The current definition is<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OPTIONAL,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">WITH SYNTAX {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;Type]<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY =
&amp;id }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D"">The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated =
with the algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 38.5pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: =
normal;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">1.<span style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" class=3D"">Parameters that provide =
additional information about the procedure to be applied according to =
the algorithm. An example is ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is =
the elliptic curve to be used.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
38.5pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: =
normal;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">2.<span style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: &quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" class=3D"">Parameters that specified =
the syntax of the value to be used when the algorithm is deployed. An =
example is the AES algorithms that require a value of the parameter =
transferred together with the encrypted data.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D"">This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. =
When specifying&nbsp; ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the =
parameter value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a =
negotiation, the random value of some InitializationVector is not =
relevant. This make algorithm negotiation cumbersome.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D"">We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM =
information object class in the following way.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">ALGORITHM =
::=3D CLASS {<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OPTIONAL,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color: red;" =
class=3D"">&amp;DynParms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OPTIONAL,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">WITH SYNTAX {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;Type]<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color: red;" =
class=3D"">[DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;DynParms]</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; font-weight: =
bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY =
&amp;id }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">A suggested update to the =
ALGORITHM information object class is attached. It also includes three =
derivative parameterized data types. By using those data types it has =
been possible to define the wrapper protocol without =E2=80=9Chard =
coding=E2=80=9D specific algorithm details, e.g., we have avoided a =
specific component for an initialization vector. This has allowed =
different cryptographic algorithms to be used for different =
communication instances make life a little more difficult for =
adversaries. &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Certain algorithms have to be =
redefined, which could cause some negative reactions. As an example the =
aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed from<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; AES-InitializationVector<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">To<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
AES-InitializationVector<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
IDENTIFIED BY { &lt;some OID&gt; } }<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">However, =
most algorithms do not need to be modified.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">The =
current version of X.510 may be found at<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0" =
style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0</a>.=
<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Any comments?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Best =
regards,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Erik<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><span =
id=3D"cid:75EBB584-81FC-4B43-AD0C-D8DCDB3E0A78@fios-router.home">&lt;algor=
ithms.docx&gt;</span><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Spasm mailing list</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); =
text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Spasm@ietf.org</a><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" style=3D"color: =
rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</a></div></blockquo=
te></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_FE1B4487-24D4-45A2-8B3B-58997D4B7392--


From nobody Tue May 12 05:57:15 2020
Return-Path: <era@x500.eu>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9AC3A0899 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.696
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=x500.eu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5iDrG3GYtQ8m for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 05:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [212.237.249.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADE8D3A08C4 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3724D4068ABC for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:57:06 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kInOvkyc-E4e for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:57:04 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from mail-proxy.dandomain.dk (dilvs03.dandomain.net [194.150.112.64]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B4BC84068AAA for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:57:04 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=x500.eu; s=dandomain; t=1589288224; bh=eDxglXav4zWnYUrOpOfVtuWyIfr4sZAUZSpsaAo1vLg=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; b=ncyIzwTwXiQNomC+ivZUv4eYpvSnMDwjUuhiyewRuwM5uW+Pxw3NiArDu/DeABJCs LYA+R1gTpbUcZl/Qpoty0zVTYi973alhNnDG9NIOpZPrF0RWY1WeLz9zU/pC7F5K2l weMG8NOh3+US5hABk0tAG26eFdJ89v1DRGJzu3fDA6q6zAAJJsB8QlLY9ZqWNeZp2E 5bPSyfxOokBzlsm4xlzqmrcSym4ahg1jUZ0sTW2ohLBkj/4BE+49sF6MqefAauBzZa NMYWfyM/RSHazxfE1GjdSBXPOAPrKI7OLRbyhis2rPkpmH62LTEgdnST5dnUvjCs1v RxgVdnRmebiBA==
From: "Erik Andersen" <era@x500.eu>
To: "LAMPS" <spasm@ietf.org>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:57:04 +0200
Message-ID: <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01D6286D.999FC7A0"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQGsSWEsGbi5WzyRcw86Ep3rBlnkMwIwrpU6qOaVcgA=
Content-Language: en-gb
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/TQl7-iyBUfok77m-oGTrho-ZbE4>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:57:13 -0000

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D6286D.999FC7A0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Russ,

=20

The problem was identified when a vendor was implementing IEC 62351-4, =
where we were faced with the question: When negotiating e.g., symmetric =
key algorithm, should we just specify the OID or should we also include =
the parameters. The answer is that sometimes you should only use the OID =
and in other cases you will also need to include the parameters. In some =
other cases, like aes256-GCM, you shall include part of the parameter.  =
What do you then tell the implementor?=20

=20

aes256-GCM is an example with a mixture of parameters.:

=20

aes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {

  PARMS         GCMParameters

  IDENTIFIED BY id-aes256-GCM }

=20

=20

GCMParameters ::=3D SEQUENCE {

  aes-nonce   OCTET STRING, -- recommended size is 12 octets

  aes-ICVlen  AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12 }

=20

AES-GCM-ICVlen ::=3D INTEGER (12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16)

=20

An alternative algorithm should be defined as:

=20

newAes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {

  PARMS         AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12,

  DYN-PARMS     OCTET STRING

  IDENTIFIED BY <some other OID> }

=20

Sure, there could be an interworking problem, but it can be handled. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm will =
still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the modified =
algorithm will also interwork.

=20

For the sake of IEC 62351-4 and X.510, we need a solution. We can either =
do it unilateral or we can find a common solution, like who defines the =
alternative algorithms and allocate new OIDs..

=20

Erik

From: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Russ Housley
Sent: 11 May 2020 18:35
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>
Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information =
object class

=20

If both parameter types are present, then interoperability will be =
gravely impacted.

=20

Russ

=20





On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu =
<mailto:era@x500.eu> > wrote:

=20

In our work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have identified a limitation =
with the current ALGORITHM information object class. The current =
definition is=20

=20

ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {

  &Type         OPTIONAL,

  &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }

WITH SYNTAX {

  [PARMS        &Type]

  IDENTIFIED BY &id }

=20

The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated with the =
algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:

=20

1.       Parameters that provide additional information about the =
procedure to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is =
ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be used. =


2.       Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used =
when the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that =
require a value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted =
data.

=20

This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When =
specifying  ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the parameter =
value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a negotiation, the =
random value of some InitializationVector is not relevant. This make =
algorithm negotiation cumbersome.

=20

We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information object =
class in the following way.

=20

ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {

  &Type         OPTIONAL,

  &DynParms     OPTIONAL,

  &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }

WITH SYNTAX {

  [PARMS        &Type]

  [DYN-PARMS    &DynParms]

  IDENTIFIED BY &id }

=20

A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object class is =
attached. It also includes three derivative parameterized data types. By =
using those data types it has been possible to define the wrapper =
protocol without =E2=80=9Chard coding=E2=80=9D specific algorithm =
details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component for an =
initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. =20

=20

Certain algorithms have to be redefined, which could cause some negative =
reactions. As an example the aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed from

=20

aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20

  PARMS         AES-InitializationVector

  IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }

=20

To=20

=20

aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20

  DYN-PARMS       AES-InitializationVector

  IDENTIFIED BY { <some OID> } }

=20

However, most algorithms do not need to be modified.

=20

The current version of X.510 may be found at  =
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0> =
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0.

=20

Any comments?

=20

Best regards,

=20

Erik

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

<algorithms.docx>_______________________________________________
Spasm mailing list
 <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org> Spasm@ietf.org
 <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm> =
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm

=20


------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D6286D.999FC7A0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:Helvetica;
	panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;}
span.apple-converted-space
	{mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;}
span.EmailStyle19
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
span.CODEBoldTegn
	{mso-style-name:"CODE Bold Tegn";
	mso-style-link:"CODE Bold";
	font-family:"Courier New";
	letter-spacing:-.1pt;
	mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;
	font-weight:bold;}
p.CODEBold, li.CODEBold, div.CODEBold
	{mso-style-name:"CODE Bold";
	mso-style-link:"CODE Bold Tegn";
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-add-space:auto;
	layout-grid-mode:char;
	font-size:9.0pt;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	letter-spacing:-.1pt;
	mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;
	font-weight:bold;}
p.CODEBoldCxSpFirst, li.CODEBoldCxSpFirst, div.CODEBoldCxSpFirst
	{mso-style-name:"CODE BoldCxSpFirst";
	mso-style-link:"CODE Bold Tegn";
	mso-style-type:export-only;
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-add-space:auto;
	layout-grid-mode:char;
	font-size:9.0pt;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	letter-spacing:-.1pt;
	mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;
	font-weight:bold;}
p.CODEBoldCxSpMiddle, li.CODEBoldCxSpMiddle, div.CODEBoldCxSpMiddle
	{mso-style-name:"CODE BoldCxSpMiddle";
	mso-style-link:"CODE Bold Tegn";
	mso-style-type:export-only;
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-add-space:auto;
	layout-grid-mode:char;
	font-size:9.0pt;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	letter-spacing:-.1pt;
	mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;
	font-weight:bold;}
p.CODEBoldCxSpLast, li.CODEBoldCxSpLast, div.CODEBoldCxSpLast
	{mso-style-name:"CODE BoldCxSpLast";
	mso-style-link:"CODE Bold Tegn";
	mso-style-type:export-only;
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-add-space:auto;
	layout-grid-mode:char;
	font-size:9.0pt;
	font-family:"Courier New";
	letter-spacing:-.1pt;
	mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;
	font-weight:bold;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DDA link=3Dblue =
vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Russ,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The problem was identified when a =
vendor was implementing IEC 62351-4, where we were faced with the =
question: When negotiating e.g., symmetric key algorithm, should we just =
specify the OID or should we also include the parameters. The answer is =
that sometimes you should only use the OID and in other cases you will =
also need to include the parameters. In some other cases, like =
aes256-GCM, you shall include part of the parameter. =C2=A0What do you =
then tell the implementor? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>aes256-GCM</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> is an example with a mixture of =
parameters.:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpFirst><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>aes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0 =
PARMS=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
GCMParameters<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0 IDENTIFIED BY id-aes256-GCM =
}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span lang=3DEN-GB>GCMParameters ::=3D =
SEQUENCE {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>=C2=A0 aes-nonce=C2=A0=C2=A0 OCTET STRING, -- recommended =
size is 12 octets<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span lang=3DEN-GB>=C2=A0 aes-ICVlen=C2=A0 =
AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12 }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>AES-GCM-ICVlen ::=3D INTEGER (12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | =
16)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'>An alternative =
algorithm should be defined as:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>newAes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0 =
PARMS=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12,</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0 DYN-PARMS=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0OCTET STRING<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0 IDENTIFIED BY &lt;some other =
OID&gt; }<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'>Sure, there could be =
an interworking problem, but it can be handled. Implementations of a =
standard specifying the original algorithm will still interwork. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the modified algorithm will =
also interwork.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'>For the sake of IEC =
62351-4 and X.510, we need a solution. We can either do it unilateral or =
we can find a common solution, like who defines the alternative =
algorithms and allocate new OIDs..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DCODEBoldCxSpMiddle =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DCODEBoldCxSpLast =
style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-add-space:auto'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;letter-spacing=
:0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;font-weight:normal'>Erik</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Spasm =
&lt;spasm-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Russ =
Housley<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 May 2020 18:35<br><b>To:</b> Erik Andersen =
&lt;era@x500.eu&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> LAMPS =
&lt;spasm@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lamps] Problems with the =
current ALGORITHM information object =
class<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If both =
parameter types are present, then interoperability will be gravely =
impacted.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Russ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik Andersen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:era@x500.eu">era@x500.eu</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>In our work with IEC 62351-4 and =
X.510 we have identified a limitation with the current ALGORITHM =
information object class. The current definition is<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ALGORITHM ::=3D =
CLASS {</span></b><b><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>WITH =
SYNTAX {</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;Type]</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated =
with the algorithms. However, the parameters are of two =
types:</span><b><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:38.5pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>1.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Parameters that provide additional information about the =
procedure to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is =
ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be =
used.<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div =
style=3D'margin-left:38.5pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>2.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be =
used when the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms =
that require a value of the parameter transferred together with the =
encrypted data.</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>This causes problems when negotiating the use of =
algorithms. When specifying&nbsp; ecPublicKey algorithms in such =
negotiation, the parameter value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in =
such a negotiation, the random value of some InitializationVector is not =
relevant. This make algorithm negotiation cumbersome.</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM =
information object class in the following way.</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:red'>&amp;DynParms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>WITH =
SYNTAX {</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;Type]</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:red'>[DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;DynParms]</span></span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp; =
IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object =
class is attached. It also includes three derivative parameterized data =
types. By using those data types it has been possible to define the =
wrapper protocol without =E2=80=9Chard coding=E2=80=9D specific =
algorithm details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component for an =
initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Certain algorithms have to be =
redefined, which could cause some negative reactions. As an example the =
aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed =
from</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;&nbsp;PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; AES-InitializationVector</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } =
}</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>To<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;&nbsp;DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
AES-InitializationVector</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { &lt;some =
OID&gt; } }</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>However, most algorithms do not =
need to be modified.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>The current version of X.510 may be =
found at<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0"><span=
 =
style=3D'color:#0563C1'>https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.do=
cx?dl=3D0</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Any =
comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Best =
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Erik</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&lt;algorithms.docx&gt;<span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>____________=
___________________________________<br>Spasm mailing list<br></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0563C1=
'>Spasm@ietf.org</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><=
a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm"><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0563C1=
'>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></=
div></blockquote></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D6286D.999FC7A0--


From nobody Tue May 12 07:19:04 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BB93A0AC1 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9p3jGLxxfiH4 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FD913A0AB9 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED5F300B3C for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Ls6LD30pRIuY for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC861300A91; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:18:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_01B89F3D-5E2A-44D6-98ED-01FC6F31B4CF"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:18:48 -0400
In-Reply-To: <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu>
Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/nmOTjvV7c30qymAQwnMU0_woFOo>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:19:02 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_01B89F3D-5E2A-44D6-98ED-01FC6F31B4CF
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8

If I was going to make a change that was not backward compatible, that =
is not the one that I would pick.  In my view, a better answer would be:

aes256-GCM-icv12 ALGORITHM ::=3D {
  PARMS         GCMNonce
  IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv12 }

aes256-GCM-icv13 ALGORITHM ::=3D {
  PARMS         GCMNonce
  IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv13 }

aes256-GCM-icv14 ALGORITHM ::=3D {
  PARMS         GCMNonce
  IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv14 }

aes256-GCM-icv15 ALGORITHM ::=3D {
  PARMS         GCMNonce
  IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv15 }

aes256-GCM-icv16 ALGORITHM ::=3D {
  PARMS         GCMNonce
  IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv16 }

GCMNonce ::=3D OCTET STRING  -- recommended size is 12 octets

However, I do not advocate a change that breaks  backward compatibiliy.

Russ


> On May 12, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Russ,
> =20
> The problem was identified when a vendor was implementing IEC 62351-4, =
where we were faced with the question: When negotiating e.g., symmetric =
key algorithm, should we just specify the OID or should we also include =
the parameters. The answer is that sometimes you should only use the OID =
and in other cases you will also need to include the parameters. In some =
other cases, like aes256-GCM, you shall include part of the parameter.  =
What do you then tell the implementor?=20
> =20
> aes256-GCM is an example with a mixture of parameters.:
> =20
> aes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {
>   PARMS         GCMParameters
>   IDENTIFIED BY id-aes256-GCM }
>=20
> =20
> =20
> GCMParameters ::=3D SEQUENCE {
>   aes-nonce   OCTET STRING, -- recommended size is 12 octets
>   aes-ICVlen  AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12 }
> =20
> AES-GCM-ICVlen ::=3D INTEGER (12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16)
>=20
> =20
>=20
> An alternative algorithm should be defined as:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> newAes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {
>   PARMS         AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12,
>   DYN-PARMS     OCTET STRING
>=20
>   IDENTIFIED BY <some other OID> }
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Sure, there could be an interworking problem, but it can be handled. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm will =
still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the modified =
algorithm will also interwork.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> For the sake of IEC 62351-4 and X.510, we need a solution. We can =
either do it unilateral or we can find a common solution, like who =
defines the alternative algorithms and allocate new OIDs..
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Erik
>=20
> From: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:spasm-bounces@ietf.org>> =
On Behalf Of Russ Housley
> Sent: 11 May 2020 18:35
> To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu <mailto:era@x500.eu>>
> Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information =
object class
> =20
> If both parameter types are present, then interoperability will be =
gravely impacted.
> =20
> Russ
> =20
>=20
>=20
>> On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu =
<mailto:era@x500.eu>> wrote:
>> =20
>> In our work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have identified a =
limitation with the current ALGORITHM information object class. The =
current definition is=20
>> =20
>> ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {
>>   &Type         OPTIONAL,
>>   &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }
>> WITH SYNTAX {
>>   [PARMS        &Type]
>>   IDENTIFIED BY &id }
>> =20
>> The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated with the =
algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:
>> =20
>> 1.       Parameters that provide additional information about the =
procedure to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is =
ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be used.=20=

>> 2.       Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used =
when the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that =
require a value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted =
data.
>> =20
>> This causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When =
specifying  ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the parameter =
value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a negotiation, the =
random value of some InitializationVector is not relevant. This make =
algorithm negotiation cumbersome.
>> =20
>> We have therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information =
object class in the following way.
>> =20
>> ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {
>>   &Type         OPTIONAL,
>>   &DynParms     OPTIONAL,
>>   &id           OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }
>> WITH SYNTAX {
>>   [PARMS        &Type]
>>   [DYN-PARMS    &DynParms]
>>   IDENTIFIED BY &id }
>> =20
>> A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object class is =
attached. It also includes three derivative parameterized data types. By =
using those data types it has been possible to define the wrapper =
protocol without =E2=80=9Chard coding=E2=80=9D specific algorithm =
details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component for an =
initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. =20
>> =20
>> Certain algorithms have to be redefined, which could cause some =
negative reactions. As an example the aes256-CBC algorithm must be =
changed from
>> =20
>> aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20
>>   PARMS         AES-InitializationVector
>>   IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }
>> =20
>> To=20
>> =20
>> aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D {=20
>>   DYN-PARMS       AES-InitializationVector
>>   IDENTIFIED BY { <some OID> } }
>> =20
>> However, most algorithms do not need to be modified.
>> =20
>> The current version of X.510 may be found at =
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0 =
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0>.
>> =20
>> Any comments?
>> =20
>> Best regards,
>> =20
>> Erik
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> <algorithms.docx>_______________________________________________
>> Spasm mailing list
>> Spasm@ietf.org <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org>
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>
> =20
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>

--Apple-Mail=_01B89F3D-5E2A-44D6-98ED-01FC6F31B4CF
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div>If I was going to make a change that was not backward =
compatible, that is not the one that I would pick. &nbsp;In my view, a =
better answer would be:</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div>aes256-GCM-icv12 ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{</div><div>&nbsp; PARMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
GCMNonce</div><div>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv12 =
}</div></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><div>aes256-GCM-icv13 =
ALGORITHM ::=3D {</div><div>&nbsp; PARMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
GCMNonce</div><div>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv13 }</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div>aes256-GCM-icv14 ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{</div><div>&nbsp; PARMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
GCMNonce</div><div>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv14 }</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div>aes256-GCM-icv15 ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{</div><div>&nbsp; PARMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
GCMNonce</div><div>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv15 }</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div>aes256-GCM-icv16 ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{</div><div>&nbsp; PARMS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
GCMNonce</div><div>&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY aes256-GCM-icv16 }</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>GCMNonce ::=3D OCTET STRING &nbsp;-- recommended =
size is 12 octets</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div><div>However, I do not advocate =
a change that breaks&nbsp;&nbsp;backward compatibiliy.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Russ</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May =
12, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Erik Andersen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:era@x500.eu" =
class=3D"">era@x500.eu</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Hi Russ,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">The problem was identified =
when a vendor was implementing IEC 62351-4, where we were faced with the =
question: When negotiating e.g., symmetric key algorithm, should we just =
specify the OID or should we also include the parameters. The answer is =
that sometimes you should only use the OID and in other cases you will =
also need to include the parameters. In some other cases, like =
aes256-GCM, you shall include part of the parameter. &nbsp;What do you =
then tell the implementor?<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">aes256-GCM</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>is an example with a =
mixture of parameters.:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">aes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: =
-0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
GCMParameters<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY =
id-aes256-GCM }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">GCMParameters ::=3D SEQUENCE {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: =
-0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; aes-nonce&nbsp;&nbsp; OCTET STRING, -- recommended =
size is 12 octets<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; aes-ICVlen&nbsp; AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT =
12 }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">AES-GCM-ICVlen ::=3D =
INTEGER (12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: =
bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D"">An alternative algorithm should be defined as:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: =
bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">newAes256-GCM ALGORITHM ::=3D {<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: =
-0.1pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; =
PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">AES-GCM-ICVlen DEFAULT 12,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
DYN-PARMS&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;OCTET STRING<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: =
bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY &lt;some =
other OID&gt; }<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: =
bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D"">Sure, there could be an interworking problem, but it can be =
handled. Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm =
will still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the =
modified algorithm will also interwork.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: =
normal;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: =
normal;" class=3D"">For the sake of IEC 62351-4 and X.510, we need a =
solution. We can either do it unilateral or we can find a common =
solution, like who defines the alternative algorithms and allocate new =
OIDs..<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpMiddle" =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; font-weight: =
bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: normal;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"CODEBoldCxSpLast" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; letter-spacing: -0.1pt; =
font-weight: bold;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: =
normal;" class=3D"">Erik</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: =
solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Spasm &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:spasm-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">spasm-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Russ Housley<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>11 May 2020 18:35<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Erik Andersen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:era@x500.eu" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">era@x500.eu</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>LAMPS=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spasm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">spasm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [lamps] Problems with =
the current ALGORITHM information object class<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If both parameter types are present, then interoperability =
will be gravely impacted.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Russ<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 AM, Erik =
Andersen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:era@x500.eu" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">era@x500.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">In our =
work with IEC 62351-4 and X.510 we have identified a limitation with the =
current ALGORITHM information object class. The current definition =
is<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D"">ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS =
{</span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">WITH SYNTAX {</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;Type]</span></b><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }</span></b><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">The PARM field is used for defining parameters associated =
with the algorithms. However, the parameters are of two types:</span><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div style=3D"margin-left: =
38.5pt;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 7pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Parameters that provide additional information about the =
procedure to be applied according to the algorithm. An example is =
ecPublicKey, where the parameter value is the elliptic curve to be =
used.<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-left: 38.5pt;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">2.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 7pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Parameters that specified the syntax of the value to be used =
when the algorithm is deployed. An example is the AES algorithms that =
require a value of the parameter transferred together with the encrypted =
data.</span><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
&quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">This =
causes problems when negotiating the use of algorithms. When =
specifying&nbsp; ecPublicKey algorithms in such negotiation, the =
parameter value is relevant. When specifying AES-CBC in such a =
negotiation, the random value of some InitializationVector is not =
relevant. This make algorithm negotiation cumbersome.</span><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">We have =
therefore suggested to extend the ALGORITHM information object class in =
the following way.</span><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">ALGORITHM ::=3D CLASS {</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color: red;" class=3D"">&amp;DynParms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OPTIONAL,</span></span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&amp;id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
OBJECT IDENTIFIER UNIQUE }</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">WITH SYNTAX {</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
[PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;Type]</span></b><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color: red;" =
class=3D"">[DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&amp;DynParms]</span></span></b><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY &amp;id }</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></b><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">A suggested update to the ALGORITHM information object class =
is attached. It also includes three derivative parameterized data types. =
By using those data types it has been possible to define the wrapper =
protocol without =E2=80=9Chard coding=E2=80=9D specific algorithm =
details, e.g., we have avoided a specific component for an =
initialization vector. This has allowed different cryptographic =
algorithms to be used for different communication instances make life a =
little more difficult for adversaries. &nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Certain algorithms have to be =
redefined, which could cause some negative reactions. As an example the =
aes256-CBC algorithm must be changed from</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; AES-InitializationVector</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { aes 42 } }</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">To<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">aes256-CBC ALGORITHM ::=3D =
{<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;DYN-PARMS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
AES-InitializationVector</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; IDENTIFIED BY { &lt;some OID&gt; } }</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">However, most algorithms do =
not need to be modified.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">The current version of X.510 may be found at<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" =
class=3D"">https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7mizfvoy9uo21x/x510.docx?dl=3D0</spa=
n></a>.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Any comments?</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Best regards,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Erik</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></b><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier =
New&quot;;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&lt;algorithms.docx&gt;<span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Spasm mailing list<br class=3D""></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" =
class=3D"">Spasm@ietf.org</span></a><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div></div><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Spasm mailing list</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Spasm@ietf.org</a><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</a></div></blockquo=
te></div><br class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_01B89F3D-5E2A-44D6-98ED-01FC6F31B4CF--



From nobody Tue May 12 07:57:37 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097393A0BD5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.26
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.173, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TnqTVGVzmqs5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:57:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C8E3A0CF6 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0050102.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04CEuDiB020635; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:57:16 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=6YXdmAoWX1FVt3Erwz0gsMCjeO9B2GF7KN1GRGQWtxY=; b=ZlmefbIlPHfvx3UE8ZPsv+xASpHMAWm5HlEET1yf0bAa2dW/DnhFzwB5jOpZu8ZLhP2H ztnu8bnOyH5BT/TJiaR9FT5/NwI425DCPNTzhUaKPm5Kl1u90pRG20hYB6zryEEUqoY1 mUKQrEumyZ+72L9wKlVfaZNlEldSTbWSaWiA23dP6V+IsZ/o/L0c+SlI6aZlwR9BE+Yr y6na951dJRqkMFdjSoHi6DL88HSXSE19TX0/tJhEyzcui/nOo0FrThJk6mVue5s6i5/p tR9jTjsLlITRQkSrCBQ/EL08g1mD/5BuUx28IiDj+949BJGaiGIh2RdSmYy+WgMBiV52 Eg== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint7 (a72-247-45-33.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [72.247.45.33] (may be forged)) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. with ESMTP id 30whkjq7xx-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 May 2020 15:57:15 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 04CElCiR014648; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:57:14 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.116]) by prod-mail-ppoint7.akamai.com with ESMTP id 30ywdu088u-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 May 2020 10:57:09 -0400
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:56:30 -0500
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:56:30 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>
CC: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
Thread-Index: AdYmysgWP4xsKPedQly3iSGlHws7SQBETt4AACquuQAAAtrBAP//x3mA
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:56:29 +0000
Message-ID: <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu> <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.36.167]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B9ABCF64ABE3423D8CE22BE79A6D1DF8akamaicom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-12_04:2020-05-11, 2020-05-12 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005120112
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-12_04:2020-05-11, 2020-05-12 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005120113
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/2BL9K06_IEUAH6ld4f2pCyAYxW0>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:57:35 -0000

--_000_B9ABCF64ABE3423D8CE22BE79A6D1DF8akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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--_000_B9ABCF64ABE3423D8CE22BE79A6D1DF8akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <36D84C56B9C2044BBEB5025739085348@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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=

--_000_B9ABCF64ABE3423D8CE22BE79A6D1DF8akamaicom_--


From nobody Tue May 12 08:00:18 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDC63A0BFE for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbN2gTqovC5P for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62A33A0C03 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C47D300B39 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id qnu24PpWiv-R for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E1F3300A91; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <697D575A-B0BA-4BA5-B5F6-10ACF3E6C6B4@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79903C38-CFD5-43B5-86A3-E7A56B56E72F"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:00:12 -0400
In-Reply-To: <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com>
Cc: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>, LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
To: Rich Salz <rsalz@akamai.com>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu> <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com> <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/GuVajig6mdeYG0svrJ312twkUXo>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:00:17 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_79903C38-CFD5-43B5-86A3-E7A56B56E72F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8



> On May 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
>=20
> =20
> However, I do not advocate a change that breaks  backward =
compatibiliy.
>> Sure, there could be an interworking problem, but it can be handled. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm will =
still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the modified =
algorithm will also interwork.
>> =20
>>=20
>=20
> So algorithms that want to use the new constructs, *even if they are =
the same such as AES 128 GCM* will use a new OID?  If so, that=E2=80=99s =
okay with me.

New OIDs would be needed in my suggestions, otherwise there would be =
confusion about the parameter structure.

Russ



--Apple-Mail=_79903C38-CFD5-43B5-86A3-E7A56B56E72F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Salz, Rich &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rsalz@akamai.com" class=3D"">rsalz@akamai.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><ul type=3D"disc" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: =
0in;" class=3D""><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">However, I =
do not advocate a change that breaks&nbsp;&nbsp;backward =
compatibiliy.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></li></ul></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><ul type=3D"disc" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=3D""><li =
class=3D"codebold" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Sure, =
there could be an interworking problem, but it can be handled. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm will =
still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the modified =
algorithm will also interwork.</span><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;; =
letter-spacing: -0.1pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></li></ul><p class=3D"codebold" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0.5in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 10pt;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">So algorithms that want to use the new =
constructs, *<b class=3D"">even if they are the same such as AES 128 =
GCM</b>* will use a new OID?&nbsp; If so, that=E2=80=99s okay with =
me.</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>New OIDs =
would be needed in my suggestions, otherwise there would be confusion =
about the parameter structure.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Russ</div><div><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_79903C38-CFD5-43B5-86A3-E7A56B56E72F--


From nobody Tue May 12 08:59:01 2020
Return-Path: <era@x500.eu>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6BA3A0B95 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.696
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=x500.eu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uEtXPXveewKT for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [212.237.249.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63053A0C19 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2092F4068AB9; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:58:53 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4lGTsPuQjCH; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:58:51 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from mail-proxy.dandomain.dk (dilvs03.dandomain.net [194.150.112.64]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8267E4068AAC; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:58:49 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=x500.eu; s=dandomain; t=1589299131; bh=ATRLkyaMO2hpGu+142+Grmife5pk5U4RVFUHqWCCXUg=; h=From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; b=msUYkEJI7IkeHrS+cQivfFb3CUYVMrX4aTe+6MJUqkhSymEKmK9Abis0a31w1KJSL VUIJtnT8fCihiuy/VgRNCR7r+3gaVdmvaHr5+CQ9D5xB83pDeGcS9PtYsC/omt7V/g /bmqbbTcRwmskaumH9NQbSvH33051G1sVIq0dRkOA9QIbV8YPxx9LVwt1RYBYmiLB+ y2OKDh4AMi3swZiqmuDkAk6UC5OfhFP8hJ415iFvda1sWVnAKfPRGzRqGeaOuNMAVC 07CF7typ/1DeSEEhJEd8lbFnAKdIP5MDPXneQP86tcCU2RDwwvS1tU7pSNccHh8xq/ 1eD7lgL2P9J3A==
From: "Erik Andersen" <era@x500.eu>
To: "'Russ Housley'" <housley@vigilsec.com>, "'Rich Salz'" <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: "'LAMPS'" <spasm@ietf.org>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu> <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com> <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com> <697D575A-B0BA-4BA5-B5F6-10ACF3E6C6B4@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <697D575A-B0BA-4BA5-B5F6-10ACF3E6C6B4@vigilsec.com>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:58:48 +0200
Message-ID: <002301d62876$3b1f5750$b15e05f0$@x500.eu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01D62886.FEAA7140"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQGsSWEsGbi5WzyRcw86Ep3rBlnkMwIwrpU6Ai4BHRYB4xM3wQG2KIYmAjRDVbKopvOS4A==
Content-Language: en-gb
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/oqSZ0RHH9ewXcKmWGhQTLjCJq9k>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:59:00 -0000

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D62886.FEAA7140
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for your replies. We have OID structure that potentially could be =
used: { joint-iso-itu-t ds(5) algo(42) }. This gives rather short OIDs, =
although a couple of more levels will be needed for organizing the OIDs =
in a structured way.=20

=20

Erik

=20

From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>=20
Sent: 12 May 2020 17:00
To: Rich Salz <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>; LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information =
object class

=20

=20





On May 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com =
<mailto:rsalz@akamai.com> > wrote:

=20

=20

*	However, I do not advocate a change that breaks  backward =
compatibiliy.

*	Sure, there could be an interworking problem, but it can be handled. =
Implementations of a standard specifying the original algorithm will =
still interwork. Implementations of a standard specifying the modified =
algorithm will also interwork.

=20

So algorithms that want to use the new constructs, *even if they are the =
same such as AES 128 GCM* will use a new OID?  If so, that=E2=80=99s =
okay with me.

=20

New OIDs would be needed in my suggestions, otherwise there would be =
confusion about the parameter structure.

=20

Russ

=20

=20


------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D62886.FEAA7140
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
	{mso-style-priority:34;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	margin-right:0cm;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0cm;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
p.codebold, li.codebold, div.codebold
	{mso-style-name:codebold;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	margin-right:0cm;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0cm;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle20
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
	{mso-list-id:236479708;
	mso-list-template-ids:1273140864;}
@list l0:level1
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level2
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:72.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level3
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:108.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level4
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:144.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level5
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:180.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level6
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:216.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level7
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:252.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level8
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:288.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level9
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:324.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1
	{mso-list-id:609430585;
	mso-list-template-ids:-1570635320;}
@list l1:level1
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level2
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:72.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level3
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:108.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level4
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:144.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level5
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:180.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level6
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:216.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level7
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:252.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level8
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:288.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
@list l1:level9
	{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
	mso-level-text:=EF=82=B7;
	mso-level-tab-stop:324.0pt;
	mso-level-number-position:left;
	text-indent:-18.0pt;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:Symbol;}
ol
	{margin-bottom:0cm;}
ul
	{margin-bottom:0cm;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DDA link=3Dblue =
vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for your =
replies. We have OID structure that potentially could be used: { =
joint-iso-itu-t ds(5) algo(42) }. This gives rather short OIDs, although =
a couple of more levels will be needed for organizing the OIDs in a =
structured way. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Erik<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Russ Housley =
&lt;housley@vigilsec.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 12 May 2020 =
17:00<br><b>To:</b> Rich Salz &lt;rsalz@akamai.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Erik Andersen &lt;era@x500.eu&gt;; LAMPS =
&lt;spasm@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lamps] Problems with the =
current ALGORITHM information object =
class<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On May 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Salz, Rich &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rsalz@akamai.com">rsalz@akamai.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v><div><ul style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo1'>However, I do not advocate a change that =
breaks&nbsp;&nbsp;backward =
compatibiliy.<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><ul =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3Dcodebold =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><span lang=3DEN-GB>Sure, there could be an interworking problem, =
but it can be handled. Implementations of a standard specifying the =
original algorithm will still interwork. Implementations of a standard =
specifying the modified algorithm will also =
interwork.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=3Dcodebold =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:36.0pt;margin-bottom:10.0p=
t;margin-left:0cm'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>So algorithms that want to use the new constructs, =
*<b>even if they are the same such as AES 128 GCM</b>* will use a new =
OID?&nbsp; If so, that=E2=80=99s okay with =
me.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>New OIDs would be needed in my suggestions, otherwise =
there would be confusion about the parameter =
structure.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Russ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01D62886.FEAA7140--


From nobody Tue May 12 09:22:44 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4F33A00C1 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:22:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.271
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.271 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.173, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GsdTEhtOq8Sj for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF4EA3A00C0 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0050095.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050095.ppops.net-00190b01. (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04CGM27a032616; Tue, 12 May 2020 17:22:40 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=j9WTJsaXp8V8ZIQGgpgTHddPqTo0giTSP0hfAkCLA54=; b=IwBNP8vW6wYIjrKscub6eFWXKfNeuMYtkkQnj0kqvt2j3R3e27F2VkkTy7HAWTK/LcsY AtobKl87+y1ODwwF/+WUgRnGl0/AcRyuiMLIYDUwlPlxdz8CD7EuZ63g/+MzLpFN86VN 2YsAvDqFAdQWqAFvZ90ndzkCIOcdAMm4wQYgQfnQAhHlIvn6fOXMZMLxbJ2JQ07hUV9q bXAptgFePlikNT5z3rWVyFOH8yO82ULjq6P9A1dbznPlneAO9aosISqETpN2pH/9pbuh 5SMv6aScNwYdlT2a1PG+fZV4cDWrlD4XydbtwukELjM0a3eKWBVfGSr+JQAGa3MqX8W5 Eg== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint5 (prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com [184.51.33.60] (may be forged)) by m0050095.ppops.net-00190b01. with ESMTP id 30y2dfu4ts-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 May 2020 17:22:40 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 04CGI9Kx001752; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:22:38 -0700
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.117]) by prod-mail-ppoint5.akamai.com with ESMTP id 30wtg8ha2g-9 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 May 2020 09:22:36 -0700
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb2.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.120) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:20:30 -0500
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:20:29 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>, 'Russ Housley' <housley@vigilsec.com>
CC: 'LAMPS' <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
Thread-Index: AdYmysgWP4xsKPedQly3iSGlHws7SQBETt4AACquuQAAAtrBAP//x3mAgABEGACAABBfAP//wwAA
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:20:29 +0000
Message-ID: <63E46AF5-CA96-4406-9C42-129944383641@akamai.com>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu> <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com> <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com> <697D575A-B0BA-4BA5-B5F6-10ACF3E6C6B4@vigilsec.com> <002301d62876$3b1f5750$b15e05f0$@x500.eu>
In-Reply-To: <002301d62876$3b1f5750$b15e05f0$@x500.eu>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.36.167]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_63E46AF5CA9644069C42129944383641akamaicom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-12_05:2020-05-11, 2020-05-12 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=893 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005120124
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-12_05:2020-05-11, 2020-05-12 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=879 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005120124
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/wvptoDpoX-bLRSsRYUz9kFjmS9Y>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:22:43 -0000

--_000_63E46AF5CA9644069C42129944383641akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

SnVzdCB0byBtYWtlIGl0IGNsZWFyIHNpbmNlIEnigJltIG5vdCBzdXJlIEkgdW5kZXJzdG9vZCB5
b3VyIGxhc3Qgbm90ZTogIHlvdSB3aWxsIG5vdCByZS11c2UgT0lE4oCZcyBhbHJlYWR5IGRlZmlu
ZWQgdGhhdCB1c2UgdGhlIG9sZGVyIHN5bnRheCwgYnV0IHdpbGwgZGVmaW5lIG5ldyBPSUTigJlz
IGZvciBhbGdvcml0aG1zIHRoYXQgd2FudCB0byB1c2UgdGhlIG5ldyBwYXJhbWV0ZXIgY2xhcmlm
aWNhdGlvbnMsIGV2ZW4gaWYgdGhlIG1lY2hhbmlzbSBpcyB0aGUgc2FtZT8NCg==

--_000_63E46AF5CA9644069C42129944383641akamaicom_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <9DCFB344C2A51C4DB0D5D050071D5CB8@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

PGh0bWwgeG1sbnM6bz0idXJuOnNjaGVtYXMtbWljcm9zb2Z0LWNvbTpvZmZpY2U6b2ZmaWNlIiB4
bWxuczp3PSJ1cm46c2NoZW1hcy1taWNyb3NvZnQtY29tOm9mZmljZTp3b3JkIiB4bWxuczptPSJo
dHRwOi8vc2NoZW1hcy5taWNyb3NvZnQuY29tL29mZmljZS8yMDA0LzEyL29tbWwiIHhtbG5zPSJo
dHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9yZy9UUi9SRUMtaHRtbDQwIj4NCjxoZWFkPg0KPG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVp
dj0iQ29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9dXRmLTgiPg0KPG1l
dGEgbmFtZT0iR2VuZXJhdG9yIiBjb250ZW50PSJNaWNyb3NvZnQgV29yZCAxNSAoZmlsdGVyZWQg
bWVkaXVtKSI+DQo8c3R5bGU+PCEtLQ0KLyogRm9udCBEZWZpbml0aW9ucyAqLw0KQGZvbnQtZmFj
ZQ0KCXtmb250LWZhbWlseToiQ2FtYnJpYSBNYXRoIjsNCglwYW5vc2UtMToyIDQgNSAzIDUgNCA2
IDMgMiA0O30NCkBmb250LWZhY2UNCgl7Zm9udC1mYW1pbHk6Q2FsaWJyaTsNCglwYW5vc2UtMToy
IDE1IDUgMiAyIDIgNCAzIDIgNDt9DQovKiBTdHlsZSBEZWZpbml0aW9ucyAqLw0KcC5Nc29Ob3Jt
YWwsIGxpLk1zb05vcm1hbCwgZGl2Lk1zb05vcm1hbA0KCXttYXJnaW46MGluOw0KCW1hcmdpbi1i
b3R0b206LjAwMDFwdDsNCglmb250LXNpemU6MTEuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OiJDYWxpYnJp
IixzYW5zLXNlcmlmO30NCnNwYW4uRW1haWxTdHlsZTIxDQoJe21zby1zdHlsZS10eXBlOnBlcnNv
bmFsLXJlcGx5Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OiJDYWxpYnJpIixzYW5zLXNlcmlmOw0KCWNvbG9yOndp
bmRvd3RleHQ7fQ0KLk1zb0NocERlZmF1bHQNCgl7bXNvLXN0eWxlLXR5cGU6ZXhwb3J0LW9ubHk7
DQoJZm9udC1zaXplOjEwLjBwdDt9DQpAcGFnZSBXb3JkU2VjdGlvbjENCgl7c2l6ZTo4LjVpbiAx
MS4waW47DQoJbWFyZ2luOjEuMGluIDEuMGluIDEuMGluIDEuMGluO30NCmRpdi5Xb3JkU2VjdGlv
bjENCgl7cGFnZTpXb3JkU2VjdGlvbjE7fQ0KLyogTGlzdCBEZWZpbml0aW9ucyAqLw0KQGxpc3Qg
bDANCgl7bXNvLWxpc3QtaWQ6MTkxNDU2NzE4Ow0KCW1zby1saXN0LXRlbXBsYXRlLWlkczotMTAz
MzMzNzIyNjt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMDpsZXZlbDENCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVs
bGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6LjVpbjsNCglt
c28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1z
by1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGww
OmxldmVsMg0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRl
eHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoxLjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBv
c2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZTox
MC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwwOmxldmVsMw0KCXttc28tbGV2
ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZl
bC10YWItc3RvcDoxLjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4
dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1p
bHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwwOmxldmVsNA0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpi
dWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoyLjBpbjsN
Cgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0K
CW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0
IGwwOmxldmVsNQ0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVs
LXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoyLjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVy
LXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6
ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwwOmxldmVsNg0KCXttc28t
bGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1s
ZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDozLjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJ
dGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1m
YW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwwOmxldmVsNw0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1h
dDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDozLjVp
bjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWlu
Ow0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBs
aXN0IGwwOmxldmVsOA0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxl
dmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDo0LjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVt
YmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQt
c2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwwOmxldmVsOQ0KCXtt
c28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1z
by1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDo0LjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7
DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9u
dC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxDQoJe21zby1saXN0LWlkOjIzNjQ3OTcwODsNCglt
c28tbGlzdC10ZW1wbGF0ZS1pZHM6MTI3MzE0MDg2NDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMTpsZXZlbDENCgl7bXNv
LWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28t
bGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6LjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJ
dGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1m
YW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsMg0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1h
dDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoxLjBp
bjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWlu
Ow0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBs
aXN0IGwxOmxldmVsMw0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxl
dmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoxLjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVt
YmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQt
c2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsNA0KCXtt
c28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1z
by1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoyLjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7
DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9u
dC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsNQ0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZv
cm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDoy
LjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4y
NWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30N
CkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsNg0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNv
LWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDozLjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwt
bnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZv
bnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsNw0K
CXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0K
CW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDozLjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxl
ZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJ
Zm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsOA0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVy
LWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3Rv
cDo0LjBpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6
LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNpLWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9s
O30NCkBsaXN0IGwxOmxldmVsOQ0KCXttc28tbGV2ZWwtbnVtYmVyLWZvcm1hdDpidWxsZXQ7DQoJ
bXNvLWxldmVsLXRleHQ674K3Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10YWItc3RvcDo0LjVpbjsNCgltc28tbGV2
ZWwtbnVtYmVyLXBvc2l0aW9uOmxlZnQ7DQoJdGV4dC1pbmRlbnQ6LS4yNWluOw0KCW1zby1hbnNp
LWZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMC4wcHQ7DQoJZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6U3ltYm9sO30NCkBsaXN0IGwyDQoJe21z
by1saXN0LWlkOjYwOTQzMDU4NTsNCgltc28tbGlzdC10ZW1wbGF0ZS1pZHM6LTE1NzA2MzUzMjA7
fQ0KQGxpc3QgbDI6bGV2ZWwxDQoJe21zby1sZXZlbC1udW1iZXItZm9ybWF0OmJ1bGxldDsNCglt
c28tbGV2ZWwtdGV4dDrvgrc7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRhYi1zdG9wOi41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVs
LW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1m
b250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDIN
Cgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsN
Cgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6MS4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjps
ZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0K
CWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDMNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJl
ci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0
b3A6MS41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50
Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJv
bDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDQNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0K
CW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6Mi4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxl
dmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5z
aS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZl
bDUNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+C
tzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6Mi41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlv
bjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0
Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDYNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51
bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFi
LXN0b3A6My4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5k
ZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5
bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDcNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0
Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6My41aW47DQoJbXNv
LWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28t
YW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjps
ZXZlbDgNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0
Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6NC4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3Np
dGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAu
MHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMjpsZXZlbDkNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVs
LW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwt
dGFiLXN0b3A6NC41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQt
aW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5
OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMw0KCXttc28tbGlzdC1pZDo5OTI2Nzc5Nzk7DQoJbXNvLWxpc3Qt
dGVtcGxhdGUtaWRzOjE3NjExMDMzMjY7fQ0KQGxpc3QgbDM6bGV2ZWwxDQoJe21zby1sZXZlbC1u
dW1iZXItZm9ybWF0OmJ1bGxldDsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGV4dDrvgrc7DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLXRh
Yi1zdG9wOi41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5k
ZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5
bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzpsZXZlbDINCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0
Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6MS4waW47DQoJbXNv
LWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28t
YW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzps
ZXZlbDMNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0
Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6MS41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3Np
dGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAu
MHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzpsZXZlbDQNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVs
LW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwt
dGFiLXN0b3A6Mi4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQt
aW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5
OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzpsZXZlbDUNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVs
bGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6Mi41aW47DQoJ
bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCglt
c28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBs
MzpsZXZlbDYNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10
ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6My4waW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1w
b3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6
MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzpsZXZlbDcNCgl7bXNvLWxl
dmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2
ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6My41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRl
eHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFt
aWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlzdCBsMzpsZXZlbDgNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6
YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZlbC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6NC4waW47
DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsN
Cgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNpemU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpAbGlz
dCBsMzpsZXZlbDkNCgl7bXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJlci1mb3JtYXQ6YnVsbGV0Ow0KCW1zby1sZXZl
bC10ZXh0Ou+CtzsNCgltc28tbGV2ZWwtdGFiLXN0b3A6NC41aW47DQoJbXNvLWxldmVsLW51bWJl
ci1wb3NpdGlvbjpsZWZ0Ow0KCXRleHQtaW5kZW50Oi0uMjVpbjsNCgltc28tYW5zaS1mb250LXNp
emU6MTAuMHB0Ow0KCWZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OlN5bWJvbDt9DQpvbA0KCXttYXJnaW4tYm90dG9tOjBp
bjt9DQp1bA0KCXttYXJnaW4tYm90dG9tOjBpbjt9DQotLT48L3N0eWxlPg0KPC9oZWFkPg0KPGJv
ZHkgbGFuZz0iRU4tVVMiIGxpbms9ImJsdWUiIHZsaW5rPSJwdXJwbGUiPg0KPGRpdiBjbGFzcz0i
V29yZFNlY3Rpb24xIj4NCjxwIGNsYXNzPSJNc29Ob3JtYWwiPkp1c3QgdG8gbWFrZSBpdCBjbGVh
ciBzaW5jZSBJ4oCZbSBub3Qgc3VyZSBJIHVuZGVyc3Rvb2QgeW91ciBsYXN0IG5vdGU6Jm5ic3A7
IHlvdSB3aWxsIG5vdCByZS11c2UgT0lE4oCZcyBhbHJlYWR5IGRlZmluZWQgdGhhdCB1c2UgdGhl
IG9sZGVyIHN5bnRheCwgYnV0IHdpbGwgZGVmaW5lIG5ldyBPSUTigJlzIGZvciBhbGdvcml0aG1z
IHRoYXQgd2FudCB0byB1c2UgdGhlIG5ldyBwYXJhbWV0ZXIgY2xhcmlmaWNhdGlvbnMsIGV2ZW4N
CiBpZiB0aGUgbWVjaGFuaXNtIGlzIHRoZSBzYW1lPzxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wPg0KPC9kaXY+DQo8
L2JvZHk+DQo8L2h0bWw+DQo=

--_000_63E46AF5CA9644069C42129944383641akamaicom_--


From nobody Tue May 12 09:25:52 2020
Return-Path: <era@x500.eu>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711233A00E0 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.696
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=x500.eu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5W5Br3MelRJM for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:25:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [212.237.249.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2008B3A00D8 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE414068C3A; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:25:47 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id To6szkAP1oAZ; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:25:46 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from mail-proxy.dandomain.dk (dilvs03.dandomain.net [194.150.112.64]) by outscan1.mf.dandomain.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4C6684068AA9; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:25:44 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=x500.eu; s=dandomain; t=1589300746; bh=SmkF/B7I7ZK6uqlAUQxNoopqWpcqysrtpQ7VgTU3UIM=; h=From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; b=lP2+nlmoI6XWI2tP8bsRCN6VL503bzMxPbBTzDzGSlEl0oDdbxY0uDOXDXWYSS00M DnRamNks6Zc6s82adFHYE2vSoWQFkeHmksnAGr2qh3ZEIuIJPgKu5Khvv+3OPgimzX 3RmbVYLaUs7MGKdzjQVYSPlpFs9LPp/IMkrxXKrbuaC5Ia2116ox9biea7To5eQoor n5G0Ikpcc7mIuXRsGKkpVZYYCfG8Rgl6JtRiNR5XWvYMGCMZl+UviSLTF7Ak/Fw0zi k5uqxFp1Ws7vyEVmwFBHp+ttVXuwEsoVdr0No5fdpGdynkpCVcjolSmoQitYy2U0xb sGNflfy7mtKGg==
From: "Erik Andersen" <era@x500.eu>
To: "'Salz, Rich'" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "'Russ Housley'" <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: "'LAMPS'" <spasm@ietf.org>
References: <000001d62762$8385a360$8a90ea20$@x500.eu> <97737DBD-54DB-4336-A387-E22C59E78B11@vigilsec.com> <001f01d6285c$d614adb0$823e0910$@x500.eu> <15833649-2B4C-49ED-9ACD-6F9AF9B41FFD@vigilsec.com> <B9ABCF64-ABE3-423D-8CE2-2BE79A6D1DF8@akamai.com> <697D575A-B0BA-4BA5-B5F6-10ACF3E6C6B4@vigilsec.com> <002301d62876$3b1f5750$b15e05f0$@x500.eu> <63E46AF5-CA96-4406-9C42-129944383641@akamai.com>
In-Reply-To: <63E46AF5-CA96-4406-9C42-129944383641@akamai.com>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:25:43 +0200
Message-ID: <003a01d62879$fd9ae8f0$f8d0bad0$@x500.eu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01D6288A.C1242E20"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQGsSWEsGbi5WzyRcw86Ep3rBlnkMwIwrpU6Ai4BHRYB4xM3wQG2KIYmAjRDVbICBSPYSAGOl1uYqIphsyA=
Content-Language: en-gb
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/AAEjGjHeKiaGLmjwHrm__Y98hT8>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information object class
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:25:52 -0000

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D6288A.C1242E20
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right, to avoid interworking problems

=20

Erik

=20

From: Spasm <spasm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Salz, Rich
Sent: 12 May 2020 18:20
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>; 'Russ Housley' <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: 'LAMPS' <spasm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Problems with the current ALGORITHM information =
object class

=20

Just to make it clear since I=E2=80=99m not sure I understood your last =
note:  you will not re-use OID=E2=80=99s already defined that use the =
older syntax, but will define new OID=E2=80=99s for algorithms that want =
to use the new parameter clarifications, even if the mechanism is the =
same?


------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D6288A.C1242E20
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle19
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DDA link=3Dblue =
vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Right, to avoid =
interworking problems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Erik<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Spasm =
&lt;spasm-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Salz, =
Rich<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 May 2020 18:20<br><b>To:</b> Erik Andersen =
&lt;era@x500.eu&gt;; 'Russ Housley' =
&lt;housley@vigilsec.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> 'LAMPS' =
&lt;spasm@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lamps] Problems with the =
current ALGORITHM information object =
class<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Just to make it clear since I=E2=80=99m not sure I =
understood your last note:&nbsp; you will not re-use OID=E2=80=99s =
already defined that use the older syntax, but will define new =
OID=E2=80=99s for algorithms that want to use the new parameter =
clarifications, even if the mechanism is the =
same?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01D6288A.C1242E20--


From nobody Wed May 13 07:38:57 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5943A0B99 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CG6vf05jeJ4k for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77B813A0B2E for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11C1300B1A for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id a3WVirCmqyrv for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5785300A01 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Message-Id: <AD3666E3-3200-4825-A003-9C24AA1021E0@vigilsec.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:38:51 -0400
To: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/wQPhmNi3dYGoATAODuJjoI4ACbQ>
Subject: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:38:55 -0000

h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify/shephe=
rdwriteup/

Please review and comment.

Russ


From nobody Wed May 13 08:54:45 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9433A0A19 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.272
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.272 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.173, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NjGv34l_vARA for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F2CD3A0E5C for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0050093.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050093.ppops.net-00190b01. (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04DFsM9B022680; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:54:39 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=BqbZAi3uhPT193p+mwZ3bvtI52DofoTWPPKBt0rV7/c=; b=X5ntYf7jAir1zjqJc3b+coJfzlskJuhiRZIwoEgJz/lDfhTxOG7UG/3722N89OJZ879+ WPbdPiXKs4eUBLqF/HTN611ihqrcISzJc+YJmT6tV7NYelS5wzugIwcNudRz3KsUInb5 xnCEl2cv8W/9C9G03g18hbkt+kqQOhHcp4f2mkHgWSjwQvDG92k+m68ono3VHpkJbKRI pvPsK5zhufqMjDFGfywv0urOK+6zpM7rScqPfeqoy4qUyyGh7d1OXyOHub3Wn60QvM2P oKNiMfdDnN5/WvIgJd9Wm/HO/juFpGXQBZv6Tw210SQFdzVTzIjYiAZmM/ODQjHpxBCu Zw== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint4 (a72-247-45-32.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [72.247.45.32] (may be forged)) by m0050093.ppops.net-00190b01. with ESMTP id 3100wt2xbc-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 May 2020 16:54:39 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 04DFWeX7003697; Wed, 13 May 2020 11:54:37 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.115]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com with ESMTP id 31016c6hre-8 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 May 2020 11:54:36 -0400
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:53:56 -0500
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:53:56 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify
Thread-Index: AQHWKTRAIA+KjsSXykezAHuZUjeMpaimO8MA
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:53:55 +0000
Message-ID: <DD551DAA-A58E-48F5-A7B1-015B1188DBAC@akamai.com>
References: <AD3666E3-3200-4825-A003-9C24AA1021E0@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <AD3666E3-3200-4825-A003-9C24AA1021E0@vigilsec.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.41.37]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <F6D762CB6235F64B822D925C9DF6B43F@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-13_07:2020-05-13, 2020-05-13 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=943 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130138
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-13_07:2020-05-13, 2020-05-13 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 cotscore=-2147483648 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=935 clxscore=1015 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130139
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/-qE3X58EKobtgPNj1C7BvuN3Q54>
Subject: Re: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:54:44 -0000

V293LCB0aGF0J3Mgd2F5IG1vcmUgY29tcGxldGUgdGhhbiBteSB3cml0ZXVwcyA6KSAgTG9va3Mg
Z29vZC4NCg0K77u/T24gNS8xMy8yMCwgMTA6MzkgQU0sICJSdXNzIEhvdXNsZXkiIDxob3VzbGV5
QHZpZ2lsc2VjLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCiAgICBodHRwczovL2RhdGF0cmFja2VyLmlldGYub3Jn
L2RvYy9kcmFmdC1pZXRmLWxhbXBzLXJmYzcwMzBlc3QtY2xhcmlmeS9zaGVwaGVyZHdyaXRldXAv
DQoNCiAgICBQbGVhc2UgcmV2aWV3IGFuZCBjb21tZW50Lg0KDQogICAgUnVzcw0KDQogICAgX19f
X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCiAgICBTcGFzbSBt
YWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCiAgICBTcGFzbUBpZXRmLm9yZw0KICAgIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3Jn
L21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vc3Bhc20NCg0K


From nobody Wed May 13 14:15:40 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAF23A092E for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G8bTkFAeRoiB for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64BE63A092B for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E05300AEB for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 17:15:34 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id haFJZbQHl7P0 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 17:15:33 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BF763009FF for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 17:15:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:15:34 -0400
References: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <7997C1B6-AC24-42B5-86DC-ED01443C3A89@vigilsec.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/7abK3gAphe05Bg983Mc-ti7sqDg>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:15:40 -0000

I do not see any concerns raised that were not explained on list.  I =
will start the shepherd write-up.

Russ


> On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D =
<draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01>.  Please review the document and send =
your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.
>=20
> The datatracker page for the document is =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
>=20
> Thanks,
> Russ & Tim


From nobody Wed May 13 15:46:33 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3896D3A065A for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:46:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9LJNGA72XoP for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 036253A078F for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799FE300B3F for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:46:22 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id AZ8uXNE3IDhl for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40948300A01 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 18:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:46:22 -0400
References: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <89A15B08-A362-4240-B2E7-677343AF5AFB@vigilsec.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/AqpEIsgApB6yttRoW3qw8xcTp4A>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:46:32 -0000

A few things need to be changed based on the detailed review that I did =
for the shepherd writeup.

1) The upper left of the title page needed to include "Updates: 6960 (if =
approved)"

2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.  I do not find it =
harmful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, =
it is not.

3) The IANA Considerations should say: "This document does not call for =
any IANA actions."

Russ

> On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D =
<draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01>.  Please review the document and send =
your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.
>=20
> The datatracker page for the document is =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
>=20
> Thanks,
> Russ & Tim


From nobody Wed May 13 16:59:30 2020
Return-Path: <mohit06jan@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE293A0823 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R1x41sz_ezaO for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172CD3A0822 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id x5so99607ioh.6 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;  h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Q9PbZrV0M5g03uUXxBC12P6T9CaUP0fL0uw2zuWn4ko=; b=EHPiUR9v1Wy0D5y5sEKnoMB2TPmuU+Ow8N7VciTYmgfGVC+C7jQELG0zE/Aom5JoLL vgvYVsCwXMwY4CojnNEh6i9y0J2TPhIyj+CA1QE3hU1ao2mxWFHo25+QGlpFKbqw6zTU KFxGrc0IrGkywjkToxDdX31wCMJAShS5YkrwemPBpV0swgTjuxP9BTAllSFyH8A2rjyU qCY4tcvYfBjFSKuWzC9L5ttHOG4etLb+bXXDmAqZ1mEB6TJvnf9iYc24YEQ0H1cqWqmB 2DrgTzn/g4fGCfg06Gmn4KXi9znHrGcU2K8l2ei08606DICE7xpImLzUcJC9+0oVxEFc 0s8g==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Q9PbZrV0M5g03uUXxBC12P6T9CaUP0fL0uw2zuWn4ko=; b=P/nA7zVXDGDyLfdvyB/aDJnFayt4m3N4V0z8tjEkPc99cA0LGuS/9N+jLh8MEQlP25 VRCEvp5pJZGLDs3Wdv2a7KeCK/lOk6K63oDw0rAGSUJHxb+IeZ/72gj7A1JBEYRM4v2p zZ88bOQMBqPmXeVPypDUcKCOU9AuJGMiyp6dGoq3MmUV1QCTmgm5kSwDQ85f1WZ54az8 6xYbyvIikGWPGdNaVdFdGWen+TviJ773aLfCsfk/o0XWrBNbMWlSIUurSfpazm4u3rNJ zW6ZpikR0Ct90hMi+1+HJmWbYBaWdd/inZ4Ub9jlUCe1iJASOlfiYUzUBaDjb4jMmhFn CYCw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531qRN0iq6dr+DDiBOzAsSy6LrX6D+1JS13qPCZ8ukduHVWe9ofU aIy0JHqfDywM2nSlQS99YqO8aZ83con+kPb42FkDFw==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwRYxbHCLK1PiPIzuBLVPJVLUzkGi9FNZnHSCpmpb0ph6voM2GsoJa59Gp7MvqxRteWExAMY7fjI5XFs+NSiVQ=
X-Received: by 2002:a6b:8f85:: with SMTP id r127mr1656983iod.209.1589414365195;  Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com> <89A15B08-A362-4240-B2E7-677343AF5AFB@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <89A15B08-A362-4240-B2E7-677343AF5AFB@vigilsec.com>
From: Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:59:14 -0700
Message-ID: <CAEpwuw3YA3Bss5YEbGZ+1JMAb2j5ufXtHArM0uyeQ28FAWpqjg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a3768905a5905e91"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/FD6_kzMYzu2uvexNOWCySvDtY-M>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 23:59:28 -0000

--000000000000a3768905a5905e91
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Russ I will update the draft with this information.


On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

> A few things need to be changed based on the detailed review that I did
> for the shepherd writeup.
>
> 1) The upper left of the title page needed to include "Updates: 6960 (if
> approved)"
>
> 2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.  I do not find it harmful=
,
> but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, it is not.
>
> 3) The IANA Considerations should say: "This document does not call for
> any IANA actions."
>
> Russ
>
> > On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote=
:
> >
> > This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D
> <draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01>.  Please review the document and send yo=
ur
> comments to the list by 12 May 2020.
> >
> > The datatracker page for the document is
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Russ & Tim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm
>

--000000000000a3768905a5905e91
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks Russ I will update the draft with this inform=
ation.=C2=A0</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 13, 2020 at =
3:46 PM Russ Housley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:housley@vigilsec.com">housley@vi=
gilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A few th=
ings need to be changed based on the detailed review that I did for the she=
pherd writeup.<br>
<br>
1) The upper left of the title page needed to include &quot;Updates: 6960 (=
if approved)&quot;<br>
<br>
2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.=C2=A0 I do not find it harm=
ful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, it is no=
t.<br>
<br>
3) The IANA Considerations should say: &quot;This document does not call fo=
r any IANA actions.&quot;<br>
<br>
Russ<br>
<br>
&gt; On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:housl=
ey@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for &quot;OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D=
 &lt;draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01&gt;.=C2=A0 Please review the document a=
nd send your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The datatracker page for the document is <a href=3D"https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/</a><br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Russ &amp; Tim<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Spasm mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">Spasm@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div>

--000000000000a3768905a5905e91--


From nobody Wed May 13 23:40:13 2020
Return-Path: <mferguson@amsl.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935AD3A0BC7 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wPS5xJU7r1ot for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:40:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DC73A0B79 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:40:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236720488B; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3MSXpZVUbAH3; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.0.1.18] (unknown [47.144.156.55]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9AC6B20488A; Wed, 13 May 2020 23:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\))
From: Megan Ferguson <mferguson@amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <20200424234307.GA27494@kduck.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 23:40:08 -0700
Cc: RFC System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, "Roman D. Danyliw" <rdd@cert.org>, Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>, spasm@ietf.org
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <8E897E88-C87C-4F02-AE96-B3D226244DB3@amsl.com>
References: <20200424233725.E1502F4070B@rfc-editor.org> <20200424234307.GA27494@kduck.mit.edu>
To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/kA_UnyYSG9ZLBrKi10QFM1gD57A>
Subject: Re: [lamps] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8649 (6129)
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 06:40:12 -0000

Greetings,

FYI - this report has been deleted as requested.

Thank you.

RFC Editor/mf

On Apr 24, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU> wrote:

> RFC Editor, please delete this empty report.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 04:37:25PM -0700, RFC Errata System wrote:
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8649,
>> "Hash Of Root Key Certificate Extension".
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6129
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Becca Sanderson X <beccasanderson25@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Section: RFC2119
>> 
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>> 
>> 
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>> 
>> 
>> Notes
>> -----
>> 
>> 
>> Instructions:
>> -------------
>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party  
>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC8649 (draft-ietf-lamps-hash-of-root-key-cert-extn-07)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Hash Of Root Key Certificate Extension
>> Publication Date    : August 2019
>> Author(s)           : R. Housley
>> Category            : INFORMATIONAL
>> Source              : Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME
>> Area                : Security
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG
> 


From nobody Fri May 15 00:36:31 2020
Return-Path: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietf.org
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA2C3A07E1; Fri, 15 May 2020 00:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: spasm@ietf.org
X-Test-IDTracker: no
X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.130.0
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: spasm@ietf.org
Message-ID: <158952817345.30713.1285990486891101764@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 00:36:13 -0700
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/rG3HCuh258Bk4xuBBDL5BTirw7c>
Subject: [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:36:14 -0000

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME WG of the IETF.

        Title           : OCSP Nonce Extension
        Author          : Mohit Sahni
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2020-05-15

Abstract:
   This document specifies the updated format of the Nonce extension in
   Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) request and response
   messages.  OCSP is used to check the status of a certificate and the
   Nonce extension is used in the OCSP request and response messages to
   avoid replay attacks.  This document updates the RFC 6960


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/



From nobody Fri May 15 00:43:13 2020
Return-Path: <mohit06jan@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936FF3A0807 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 00:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gtJ0cJe8Utk6 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 00:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B61123A07C5 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 00:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id k6so1650609iob.3 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 00:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;  h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gNd5s/cUSsF+JxJVR8LKjAj6+eUcsoAhPj+IL6Cubjc=; b=pvKM/a2KkWroYqntM/mbGgU3FaOcom6n7DbSWwc3yZYgXb+6FLc6AfVzdZKMaYxLpq MZfu1KIbJUmJ0+7XbmJVvAMEEcpCBfB9ITElngz2NG6KQGEH2ny0yPKQIpmI12FzuGtl hvqCdqUmzmCh7nl05T1ferRvdN+DniIDDgE5bOurpBq8ingHt9gG6Li5Erlp/GBpN2// 5RDt2vwTlKIyM8lh6mvtn5i7MDmbnCfW0OV+q/1xrmFsG1YIR1I8UNkD0RvR3dhvlbhj nt3O8hMGSm38LX1GLUIT6sNzpRbpblA9itzRWchDimdUVu/mIytNAOG6MNHmBJxZu61p XPlg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gNd5s/cUSsF+JxJVR8LKjAj6+eUcsoAhPj+IL6Cubjc=; b=JRAiKz6q7Gii0gOSWb+TnUW+XLuW1squkN0e8gZK4OzHluJINZYhEgHzKYYHymKnYy QT0wx04qaEEMdfeRgRav1/nJrqZqoc1pPhVD19DD9rivXgfFSPOK75b3PVhvrs/xe8SA VLtoRU71v1za/MpFo5rat1jUM1jDRP/0Vyu/rDj8b6qBcY3wSKUciZkY7lOB+/lzEmpW bgjOgyMF3EwohB5JkKx3Xd8gz67LBP1DY9WfcQiwHbAZ8dnghgEzkMVw5A5Z9pYkMleH HNekGi37gu3lwNE6lKSpXyzbNw1iJZnCZj3TpfHYWwVmkYP2t5lQc0CtAPWXvHRyJVdS SF5A==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xS5uFTml1eZvrGpPusoXQVkzxf9hDhcQeAHWs3x8YMFjGRTNS TKHf9jvO7lhJBcKF6oG/1Z0sHicAs1sVy3tkhJpi4soQ
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+2HTHlLWLWglbMwoEGX2yDZXg4XJGx5odKS+AmmJtdalcPnfAjbVksuOLCA/BgE3ZaL2cSMDE/9ic5honNXA=
X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9604:: with SMTP id w4mr1826019iol.105.1589528586886;  Fri, 15 May 2020 00:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com> <89A15B08-A362-4240-B2E7-677343AF5AFB@vigilsec.com> <CAEpwuw3YA3Bss5YEbGZ+1JMAb2j5ufXtHArM0uyeQ28FAWpqjg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAEpwuw3YA3Bss5YEbGZ+1JMAb2j5ufXtHArM0uyeQ28FAWpqjg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 00:42:55 -0700
Message-ID: <CAEpwuw27as_neX+SwhMDs5CSe5vYVjSdmFxxgJCsmjytEGvdgw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c8223e05a5aaf6fa"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/g1HMID5fzdQoscSoPeZS-_96HRM>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:43:12 -0000

--000000000000c8223e05a5aaf6fa
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Russ,
I have submitted the draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02.txt after making
changes suggested by you. It can be found at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/ .

Thanks
Mohit

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Russ I will update the draft with this information.
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote=
:
>
>> A few things need to be changed based on the detailed review that I did
>> for the shepherd writeup.
>>
>> 1) The upper left of the title page needed to include "Updates: 6960 (if
>> approved)"
>>
>> 2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.  I do not find it
>> harmful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, i=
t
>> is not.
>>
>> 3) The IANA Considerations should say: "This document does not call for
>> any IANA actions."
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> > On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D
>> <draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01>.  Please review the document and send y=
our
>> comments to the list by 12 May 2020.
>> >
>> > The datatracker page for the document is
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Russ & Tim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Spasm mailing list
>> Spasm@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm
>>
>

--000000000000c8223e05a5aaf6fa
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Russ,</div>I have submitted the draft-ietf-lamps-o=
csp-nonce-02.txt after making changes suggested by you. It can be found at=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-non=
ce/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/</a>=C2=
=A0.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Mohit=C2=A0</div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May=
 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM Mohit Sahni &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mohit06jan@gmail.com=
">mohit06jan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks Russ I will update the =
draft with this information.=C2=A0</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM Russ Housley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:housley@vi=
gilsec.com" target=3D"_blank">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">A few things need to be c=
hanged based on the detailed review that I did for the shepherd writeup.<br=
>
<br>
1) The upper left of the title page needed to include &quot;Updates: 6960 (=
if approved)&quot;<br>
<br>
2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.=C2=A0 I do not find it harm=
ful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, it is no=
t.<br>
<br>
3) The IANA Considerations should say: &quot;This document does not call fo=
r any IANA actions.&quot;<br>
<br>
Russ<br>
<br>
&gt; On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:housl=
ey@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for &quot;OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D=
 &lt;draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01&gt;.=C2=A0 Please review the document a=
nd send your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The datatracker page for the document is <a href=3D"https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/</a><br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Russ &amp; Tim<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Spasm mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">Spasm@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

--000000000000c8223e05a5aaf6fa--


From nobody Fri May 15 06:10:09 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454543A09C1 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvC-bqjaERQp for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:10:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 160BF3A0976 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 06:10:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5261E300B50 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:10:02 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 65IbezTMMpuX for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA5F6300A31; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <BA4BBC5F-6BAF-4DC2-BFEE-A37C41CFD555@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6D3669B6-6994-40ED-B19A-888045345B7F"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:09:59 -0400
In-Reply-To: <CAEpwuw27as_neX+SwhMDs5CSe5vYVjSdmFxxgJCsmjytEGvdgw@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
To: Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com>
References: <31FF8CDA-9A6B-4C16-ABD0-800E06325748@vigilsec.com> <89A15B08-A362-4240-B2E7-677343AF5AFB@vigilsec.com> <CAEpwuw3YA3Bss5YEbGZ+1JMAb2j5ufXtHArM0uyeQ28FAWpqjg@mail.gmail.com> <CAEpwuw27as_neX+SwhMDs5CSe5vYVjSdmFxxgJCsmjytEGvdgw@mail.gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/QEN-o-c-lV1Nj-Cb431E89AvaO8>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:10:07 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_6D3669B6-6994-40ED-B19A-888045345B7F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8

Thanks. =20

> On May 15, 2020, at 3:42 AM, Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Russ,
> I have submitted the draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02.txt after making =
changes suggested by you. It can be found at =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/> .=20
>=20
> Thanks
> Mohit=20
>=20
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com =
<mailto:mohit06jan@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks Russ I will update the draft with this information.=20
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com =
<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
> A few things need to be changed based on the detailed review that I =
did for the shepherd writeup.
>=20
> 1) The upper left of the title page needed to include "Updates: 6960 =
(if approved)"
>=20
> 2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.  I do not find it =
harmful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, =
it is not.
>=20
> 3) The IANA Considerations should say: "This document does not call =
for any IANA actions."
>=20
> Russ
>=20
> > On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com =
<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
> >=20
> > This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D =
<draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01>.  Please review the document and send =
your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.
> >=20
> > The datatracker page for the document is =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/>
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> > Russ & Tim
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org <mailto:Spasm@ietf.org>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm =
<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>


--Apple-Mail=_6D3669B6-6994-40ED-B19A-888045345B7F
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks. &nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 15, 2020, at 3:42 AM, =
Mohit Sahni &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mohit06jan@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">mohit06jan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi Russ,</div>I have submitted the =
draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-02.txt after making changes suggested by =
you. It can be found at&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/</=
a>&nbsp;.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks</div><div class=3D"">Mohit&nbsp;</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM Mohit Sahni &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mohit06jan@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">mohit06jan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Thanks Russ I will update the draft with this =
information.&nbsp;</div></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May =
13, 2020 at 3:46 PM Russ Housley &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:housley@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">A =
few things need to be changed based on the detailed review that I did =
for the shepherd writeup.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
1) The upper left of the title page needed to include "Updates: 6960 (if =
approved)"<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
2) I do not think that reference [1] is needed.&nbsp; I do not find it =
harmful, but IDnits thinks it is a normative reference, and of course, =
it is not.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
3) The IANA Considerations should say: "This document does not call for =
any IANA actions."<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Russ<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
&gt; On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Russ Housley &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:housley@vigilsec.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "OCSP Nonce Extension=E2=80=9D =
&lt;draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-01&gt;.&nbsp; Please review the document =
and send your comments to the list by 12 May 2020.<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; The datatracker page for the document is <a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/</=
a><br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; Thanks,<br class=3D"">
&gt; Russ &amp; Tim<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">
Spasm mailing list<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"mailto:Spasm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">Spasm@ietf.org</a><br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm</a><br class=3D"">
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_6D3669B6-6994-40ED-B19A-888045345B7F--


From nobody Fri May 15 12:30:18 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867163A080B for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 12:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkPhy3wckhc0 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 May 2020 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D503D3A0811 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D75300A51 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:22:47 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id FM1EhkTQPue1 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9771E300A31 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 May 2020 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1C8D7C48-2075-4016-96A7-C22C4A6F2C3E"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Message-Id: <489F0DDD-FDED-4BE8-8760-E7C39AF074D8@vigilsec.com>
References: <83D4CBCE-E464-4CCC-8679-592531EF7448@ietf.org>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:22:43 -0400
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/vECm-SFdxz3Opo992ejShggo3ko>
Subject: [lamps] Fwd: IETF 108 will be an online meeting
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:30:17 -0000

--Apple-Mail=_1C8D7C48-2075-4016-96A7-C22C4A6F2C3E
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=utf-8

Just in case you do not read the  IETF-Announce mail list...

Russ


> From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org <mailto:chair@ietf.org>>
> Subject: IETF 108 will be an online meeting
> Date: May 14, 2020 at 4:07:47 PM CDT
> To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org =
<mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org>>, irtf-announce@irtf.org =
<mailto:irtf-announce@irtf.org>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org =
<mailto:ietf@ietf.org>>
> Reply-To: IETF <ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>>
>=20
> The Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG), the IETF LLC Board of =
Directors, and the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) Chair have =
decided to replace the in-person IETF 108 Madrid meeting with an online =
meeting. This decision is based on the IETF Executive Director=E2=80=99s =
recommendation, which was made after conducting an assessment of local =
conditions using the criteria set out in the assessment framework [1] =
developed with community input.
>=20
> The recommendation and full assessment are available at: =
https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_108_Madrid_go_no-go_assessment.p=
df =
<https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_108_Madrid_go_no-go_assessment.=
pdf>
>=20
> The online IETF 108 meeting will take place 27-31 July from 11:00 to =
16:00 UTC each day. The end time of 16:00 UTC is approximate; some days =
may be shorter depending on scheduling. These time blocks were chosen =
based on the survey feedback [2] we received.
>=20
> Further details about the online meeting will be shared as they become =
available.
>=20
> Sincerely,
> Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair
> Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair
> Jason Livingood, IETF LLC Board Chair
>=20
> [1] =
https://www.ietf.org/blog/assessment-criteria-decision-personvirtual-ietf-=
108/? =
<https://www.ietf.org/blog/assessment-criteria-decision-personvirtual-ietf=
-108/?>
> [2] =
https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/survey-planning-possible-online-meeti=
ngs-responses.pdf =
<https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/survey-planning-possible-online-meet=
ings-responses.pdf>


--Apple-Mail=_1C8D7C48-2075-4016-96A7-C22C4A6F2C3E
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><meta=
 http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Just =
in case you do not read the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
-webkit-system-font, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, =
sans-serif;"><b class=3D"">&nbsp;</b></span><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;">IETF-Announce mail list...</span></div><div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, =
&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Russ</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b class=3D"">From: </b></span><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;">IETF Chair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chair@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">chair@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: =
-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">IETF 108 will be an online meeting</b><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">May 14, 2020 at 4:07:47 PM =
CDT<br class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">IETF-Announce &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;, <a =
href=3D"mailto:irtf-announce@irtf.org" =
class=3D"">irtf-announce@irtf.org</a>, IETF &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" class=3D"">ietf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Reply-To: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">IETF &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" class=3D"">ietf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""></span></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">The=
 Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG), the IETF LLC Board of =
Directors, and the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) Chair have =
decided to replace the in-person IETF 108 Madrid meeting with an online =
meeting. This decision is based on the IETF Executive Director=E2=80=99s =
recommendation, which was made after conducting an assessment of local =
conditions using the criteria set out in the assessment framework [1] =
developed with community input.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The =
recommendation and full assessment are available at: <a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_108_Madrid_go_no-go_asse=
ssment.pdf" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_108_Madrid_go_no-go_a=
ssessment.pdf</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The online IETF 108 =
meeting will take place 27-31 July from 11:00 to 16:00 UTC each day. The =
end time of 16:00 UTC is approximate; some days may be shorter depending =
on scheduling. These time blocks were chosen based on the survey =
feedback [2] we received.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Further details =
about the online meeting will be shared as they become available.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sincerely,<br class=3D"">Alissa Cooper, IETF =
Chair<br class=3D"">Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair<br class=3D"">Jason =
Livingood, IETF LLC Board Chair<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">[1] <a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/blog/assessment-criteria-decision-personvirtu=
al-ietf-108/?" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/blog/assessment-criteria-decision-personvi=
rtual-ietf-108/?</a><br class=3D"">[2] <a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/survey-planning-possible-onli=
ne-meetings-responses.pdf" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/survey-planning-possible-o=
nline-meetings-responses.pdf</a><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_1C8D7C48-2075-4016-96A7-C22C4A6F2C3E--


From nobody Sat May 16 11:21:06 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9CD3A0061 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.003
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6GxveHVis6hI for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41AEC3A005B for <spasm@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16A3300B2B for <spasm@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 May 2020 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id JV0Ot6KHrlpj for <spasm@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 May 2020 14:20:58 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 423DF300A31 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 May 2020 14:20:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Message-Id: <79037008-09ED-4E31-BA8C-1DC4F24E1687@vigilsec.com>
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:20:59 -0400
To: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/gfJtSOnKUWKubPsFKCG7sOMRfXk>
Subject: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:21:05 -0000

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/shepherdwriteup/

Please review and comment.

Russ


From nobody Sat May 16 11:22:37 2020
Return-Path: <noreply@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietf.org
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1D83A017E; Sat, 16 May 2020 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: Russ Housley via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
To: <rdd@cert.org>
X-Test-IDTracker: no
X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.130.0
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, housley@vigilsec.com, spasm@ietf.org,  iesg-secretary@ietf.org, lamps-chairs@ietf.org
Message-ID: <158965335549.6143.16116245495178251965@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:22:35 -0700
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/x-AIODMQdRSdv8VFZ0lKOulzOoQ>
Subject: [lamps] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:22:35 -0000

Russ Housley has requested publication of draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the LAMPS working group.

Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify/



From nobody Mon May 18 07:56:53 2020
Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237F3A0789 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 May 2020 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.2
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ib5t8Sc_CpXl for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 May 2020 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F38E23A041E for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 May 2020 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0122331.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04IEZ2nn020701; Mon, 18 May 2020 15:56:47 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=V4u788/X7j0CpocQbuZNj/J2wWkhkQtNI7KakyxBFu4=; b=TCINNMNi9l9g6eC18byg+oQKnzhHFnuU2ehPl8WKJvQweR2DVkCplGNChQFWya3PeY+U /VLWQARWIeEga/5C+syPdfeSJqr0Vs7sdqmYsCBJ2FRkXlBRrZHcNH0rny1oJOFk5E57 iU1rvQo1RTfO0q0UaDgExPsKvNe43y+A8hQcroh/wIcPvnCUqx2xp+/fPPUBrIgIY0fj NQwi9uqu2qosyJVgak6qAjhSqZRCucjFhlp6LP08txnc0knGp5QYGG3iSfBiY1E+ouBf 7XZI5pw0banCd+LW4pV/VG38OXiQgHybVMjyRNqis3Em3erwDD84jfgqQ7HEyhR6kczJ Fw== 
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint4 (a72-247-45-32.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [72.247.45.32] (may be forged)) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 31251yhq1a-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 18 May 2020 15:56:47 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 04IElB1P025920; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:56:46 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.115]) by prod-mail-ppoint4.akamai.com with ESMTP id 312bgu9fxu-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 18 May 2020 10:56:46 -0400
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.121) by ustx2ex-dag1mb4.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.165.122) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:56:45 -0500
Received: from USTX2EX-DAG1MB3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) by ustx2ex-dag1mb3.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.165.121]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:56:45 -0500
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
Thread-Index: AQHWK67GhOV9Wvk4AUqgAId2zcKrSaiuAnyA
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 14:56:44 +0000
Message-ID: <16418846-B43A-45E5-BB28-B89169AE6523@akamai.com>
References: <79037008-09ED-4E31-BA8C-1DC4F24E1687@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <79037008-09ED-4E31-BA8C-1DC4F24E1687@vigilsec.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.116.114]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <27CED24A85AAB546985F94D0F58F289B@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-18_06:2020-05-15, 2020-05-18 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=662 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2005180129
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.216, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-18_06:2020-05-15, 2020-05-18 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=651 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005180129
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/yudIVG57ZOY0tqdEMKiF8P3YBRw>
Subject: Re: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 14:56:52 -0000
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From nobody Mon May 18 10:02:39 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC163A0905 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.003
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ksy3KKaEeH66 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30F953A08EA for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 May 2020 10:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E78300B05 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 02Bl_7aVBxun for <spasm@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B8D4300A26; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <16418846-B43A-45E5-BB28-B89169AE6523@akamai.com>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 13:02:32 -0400
Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <D3785CC2-7AFB-49C4-BDF3-52C365A2B35D@vigilsec.com>
References: <79037008-09ED-4E31-BA8C-1DC4F24E1687@vigilsec.com> <16418846-B43A-45E5-BB28-B89169AE6523@akamai.com>
To: Rich Salz <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/vlxAb1_yAhv5H0X9mzwhc-1Cff8>
Subject: Re: [lamps] shepherd writeup: draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:02:38 -0000

Thanks for catching my failure to answer the proper question.  Now =
fixed:

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document.  (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the =
Internet-Drafts
Checklist).  Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be
thorough.

  IDnits reports:
  -- The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC6960, but =
the
     abstract doesn't seem to directly say this.  It does mention =
RFC6960
     though, so this could be OK.
  The Abstract includes "This document updates the RFC 6960".
  This warning seems to be the result of "the" or a missing period.

Russ

> On May 18, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Salz, Rich =
<rsalz=3D40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>=20
> Is the answer to #11 a non-sequiture?  (However you spell it.)
>=20
> It also specifies a recommendation for minimum, is that worth =
mentioning?
>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOn 5/16/20, 2:21 PM, "Russ Housley" <housley@vigilsec.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>    =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce/shepherdwrite=
up/
>=20
>    Please review and comment.
>=20
>    Russ


From nobody Wed May 20 09:41:07 2020
Return-Path: <session-request@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietf.org
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BCF3A09E9; Wed, 20 May 2020 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool <session-request@ietf.org>
To: <session-request@ietf.org>
Cc: rdd@cert.org, spasm@ietf.org, lamps-chairs@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com
X-Test-IDTracker: no
X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.0.0
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
Message-ID: <158999286374.6567.10261029191053402304@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:41:04 -0700
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/W5ezpcIVwH1pwrrTl6hhjmlvIZU>
Subject: [lamps] lamps - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 108
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:41:05 -0000

A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Russ Housley, a Chair of the lamps working group.


---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Russ Housley


Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  100 Minutes
Number of Attendees: 45
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 Chair Conflict: ipwave suit stir
 Technology Overlap: acme cfrg ace
 Key Participant Conflict: oauth secdispatch saag sipbrandy tls mls teep emu





People who must be present:
  Russ Housley
  Rich Salz
  Sean Turner
  Alexey Melnikov
  Michael Richardson
  Roman Danyliw
  Bernie Hoeneisen
  Jim Schaad
  Tim Hollebeek
  Hendrik Brockhaus

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  
---------------------------------------------------------



From nobody Fri May 22 06:08:51 2020
Return-Path: <jfhamme.cccs@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421FE3A0BED for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpXnnfU6MWiu for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B7F83A0BF6 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id f13so8611321edr.13 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;  h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bKfxVpWlF4zqEjtFW3HMJsBdAIDqkJ8FbAJfYXJlVig=; b=SmzZohLM/U/IbRnAkwtPv/jHI+SLHRp0WfidPJS5i2h60Ovz5Yr4Y5alzuITEGusbh rJ0qWkNz1u/ZqraqRur2q6Kt2DZ9cmyAhPQbBo08ohlMl0SY6LoeoVH1S4GQf03S7Qdj TXtN8tjGNZYgPkD3EHmxGfJVRI6bk5yh8nNB8BjTfCxT66EvHTRgxSs6f1Sje/bBYy9J yYV+UZXI82g3TLQM11HLbBy4nyMvxOsS9U0oR9bsWIBtYRifQtRFb4Woe05dEmwJv1jK uP1XC9cFABmA7RBHeGCP7pLzj1cBiQjKxY7L4RQEOBPwpduR49odXdi8lYnX8Ht/kAOB /qLg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bKfxVpWlF4zqEjtFW3HMJsBdAIDqkJ8FbAJfYXJlVig=; b=KeCmnzNoPkp6cvEkpFFK3gcMx+sjG8ZRX7m9WHP2FfVcEXE16cxI7XQ8QnRW9mpt0Y xtezXOc57CVY7VkQwkmZLBWFPM7N1s4+ceaL0G4LteJOFS2I0BcTeyt5PM3hvAz6xY0u XMthocwV4/uQfz03D80x33TcFepLyrNw+Cj1PDQFmNTVeIT1CmrW1jqRBw+tTw6SBdjF 84qKqg/p1ZoG/qGSyCDNtncE2aFpO8IuvB9nmtSGeywz3q3KYsly2PD8AAoNjT0oBdkV 4TuNkkgfpTZDEHEVBhrZj42q1FBAbnPLt2CP9bmQTg3BaIQbaPWx1BNpdO1hksiCyMaP q0OQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531cFzZbL8XkS/5obX8HvDmMhs1YyxZ1KvmxTal15JfFpIqVM1x1 zD9u+3qyFA7LZE3roRtsi4FE7t9fXKa0jyQwGsk=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxUJ/bIZjzBEAVTkRlQqslmgNteM1MEYvZrMOPf0ehtdeJOCmZzfnsk8HsRYq5XEygvhkerZc23jY+77NY9zyo=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1d06:: with SMTP id dg6mr2961912edb.314.1590152925349;  Fri, 22 May 2020 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <BY5PR14MB327012D3B084BB7752C4411683AB0@BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR14MB327012D3B084BB7752C4411683AB0@BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
From: Jonathan Hammell <jfhamme.cccs@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:08:34 -0400
Message-ID: <CALhKWgiW8Z3LdOPa475qiD9LRwA3-8k7Aeu_SSpyBEt1Sazz_A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
Cc: SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>, housley@vigilsec.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/b_3n8DAVdBBNpDQimldhtgBbs5o>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:08:50 -0000

I have reviewed this document for WGLC and I just have one minor
editorial nit in the second paragraph of the Security Considerations:

   "The CMSAlgorithmProtection attribute [RFC6211] offers protection the
   algorithm identifiers..."

I think it is missing a preposition and could be fixed as follows:

   "The CMSAlgorithmProtection attribute [RFC6211] offers protection for th=
e
   algorithm identifiers..."

Otherwise, I think it is ready for publication.  Thanks, Russ, for
writing this document.

Best regards,
Jonathan


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:45 PM Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> w=
rote:
>
> This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "Update to the Cryptographic Message S=
yntax (CMS) for Algorithm Identifier Protection=E2=80=9D <draft-ietf-lamps-=
cms-update-alg-id-protect-01>.  Please review the document and send your co=
mments to the list by 22 May 2020.
>
>
>
> The datatracker page for the document is https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc=
/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect/
>
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm


From nobody Fri May 22 06:36:51 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53043A0916 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1N8YgPrjhxZb for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA8123A0811 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F63300B6B for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id kNcfJI6EGYnN for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2917300A01; Fri, 22 May 2020 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALhKWgiW8Z3LdOPa475qiD9LRwA3-8k7Aeu_SSpyBEt1Sazz_A@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:36:38 -0400
Cc: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>, SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <82A731DE-EE0F-40E0-B94D-DD5F28C0F5F6@vigilsec.com>
References: <BY5PR14MB327012D3B084BB7752C4411683AB0@BY5PR14MB3270.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> <CALhKWgiW8Z3LdOPa475qiD9LRwA3-8k7Aeu_SSpyBEt1Sazz_A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Hammell <jfhamme.cccs@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/kxmR4BQ5WIaoMEHFQjauh5AdAjk>
Subject: Re: [lamps] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:36:50 -0000

Thanks.  I have fixed this in my edit buffer.  I'll post an update to =
address all of the WG Last Call comments.

Russ

> On May 22, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Jonathan Hammell <jfhamme.cccs@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I have reviewed this document for WGLC and I just have one minor
> editorial nit in the second paragraph of the Security Considerations:
>=20
>   "The CMSAlgorithmProtection attribute [RFC6211] offers protection =
the
>   algorithm identifiers..."
>=20
> I think it is missing a preposition and could be fixed as follows:
>=20
>   "The CMSAlgorithmProtection attribute [RFC6211] offers protection =
for the
>   algorithm identifiers..."
>=20
> Otherwise, I think it is ready for publication.  Thanks, Russ, for
> writing this document.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Jonathan
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:45 PM Tim Hollebeek =
<tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> This is the LAMPS WG Last Call for "Update to the Cryptographic =
Message Syntax (CMS) for Algorithm Identifier Protection=E2=80=9D =
<draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-01>.  Please review the =
document and send your comments to the list by 22 May 2020.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> The datatracker page for the document is =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protec=
t/
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -Tim
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Spasm mailing list
>> Spasm@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm


From nobody Fri May 22 07:43:48 2020
Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230B23A0B00 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.44
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FsIMEcAm5ZM6 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 May 2020 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [209.87.249.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 351103A0A04 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 May 2020 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F68A38A68; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id DogOgNfCwPwm; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0412238A67; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B957; Fri, 22 May 2020 10:43:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: spasm@ietf.org
cc: max pritikin <pritikin@cisco.com>
X-Attribution: mcr
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:43:40 -0400
Message-ID: <27659.1590158620@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/hKbcWRWzgRdVF1lhEpwzMQ2cQOQ>
Subject: [lamps] SHOULD vs MUST for CSR Attributes in RFC7030/CTE clarifications
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:43:47 -0000

--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/plain


Eliot wants to propose some additional updates in this document which are
not in the form of errata, and he will propose text by Monday.
I think that it's too late; he should write another document updating RFC7030.

In the process of discussing this, he pointed at this text, originally in
4.5.2, and not changed in the updated text:

   The structure of the CSR Attributes Response **SHOULD**, to the greatest
   extent possible, reflect the structure of the CSR it is requesting.
   Requests to use a particular signature scheme (e.g. using a
   particular hash function) are represented as an OID to be reflected
   in the SignatureAlgorithm of the CSR.  Requests to use a particular

The question is, why SHOULD?  Why not MUST?

What is the exception case?  What does "greatest extent possible"?
I.e. when does the Registrar fail to accomplish this?
I don't know, but I'm not particularly bothered by SHOULD.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
 -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-




--=-=-=
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl7H5RwACgkQgItw+93Q
3WXknwgAuBK2w7vEGYcCsHazRwUmPCZNKe55GD1LPIQs0asYW+ZYYDPDhHvCooGM
1f30WxIPs2f30Nu/4mOdVAeXm/lM2vZo76ISwCp3y2eQymR7UGjjgoZ608AfPSeb
1FPx3ILkR2/0oGrxK8h4v9ZsslFpwxsCSk+ZWLFiBeRzuAGexfby/zjKu42ZB/zl
6cBa1Gqsh9cGCgmvdx86XTzxgw2B2xl1KOAe/gYFBrpgYq673/NdvK7ld2RR/0IU
l27wOnIehsTIUuwpq3pFXGw6hg83uH4rcizlD2EN55I3vv4qAKlZ+nMljvzItWmN
TjuSkYUblaEUmIU9ahyIP6gfxV5iIA==
=HOSx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--=-=-=--


From nobody Tue May 26 08:09:27 2020
Return-Path: <wwwrun@rfc-editor.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EEB3A00D5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.061
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.061 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CTE_8BIT_MISMATCH=0.839, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wj5pzTduxkJ1 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 08:06:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 583F23A0484 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 22651F40724; Tue, 26 May 2020 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: pkampana@cisco.com, quynh.dang@nist.gov, rdd@cert.org, kaduk@mit.edu, housley@vigilsec.com, tim.hollebeek@digicert.com
X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php
From: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
Cc: pkampana@cisco.com, spasm@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Message-Id: <20200526150504.22651F40724@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/8zPpctgJhhlHxt0OULJ4qsO8dK0>
Subject: [lamps] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8702 (6188)
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:06:25 -0000

The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8702,
"Use of the SHAKE One-Way Hash Functions in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)".

--------------------------------------
You may review the report below and at:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6188

--------------------------------------
Type: Technical
Reported by: Panos Kampanakis <pkampana@cisco.com>

Section: 3.4

Original Text
-------------
When calculating the KMAC output, the variable N is 0xD2B282C2, S is
an empty string, and L (the integer representing the requested output
length in bits) is 256 or 512 for KmacWithSHAKE128 or
KmacWithSHAKE256, respectively, in this specification.

Corrected Text
--------------
When calculating the KMAC output, the variable N is “KMAC” as defined 
in NIST SP800-185, S is an empty string, and L (the integer 
representing the requested output length in bits) is 256 or 512 for 
KmacWithSHAKE128 or KmacWithSHAKE256, respectively, in this 
specification.

Notes
-----
The originally described 0xD2B282C2 is the hex value of the binary representation (LSB first) of the string "KMAC" as defined in SP800-185. As it was pointed out to us, that representation was confusing and incorrect because NIST's KAT values include "KMAC" in hex format. Showing "KMAC" in binary (LSB first) is different than showing it in hex (MSB first). So, it is more accurate to keep the text generic as "KMAC" and point implementers to SP800-185.

Instructions:
-------------
This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party  
can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. 

--------------------------------------
RFC8702 (draft-ietf-lamps-cms-shakes-18)
--------------------------------------
Title               : Use of the SHAKE One-Way Hash Functions in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
Publication Date    : January 2020
Author(s)           : P. Kampanakis, Q. Dang
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME
Area                : Security
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


From nobody Tue May 26 12:07:26 2020
Return-Path: <rdd@cert.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6653A0EED for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.099
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PfY9_moM-ksf for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED3873A0EEA for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 04QJ7MiG047732 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:07:22 -0400
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu 04QJ7MiG047732
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1590520042; bh=zC8W6fXRm3loSJTB9Q9nABTL+3yUClIJ8JDVUOh7Dag=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=GhgxpEAnIXlxwFulgbC4mnBld3uGpppCCsPUuVcjTZBN5BVqdjuEoXhmKoTcNRr1S 31+0RVSZHfnXgJK6xEh0C67nyOeUEloHlVDCY5k0CRj66VYaZKgV3VITvY2DeeM4R7 dDcF1z/bQgUKwSOZSDw4rRjCypeOZzR1AlqYK7aw=
Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 04QJ7L17018247 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:07:21 -0400
Received: from MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (10.64.28.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.487.0; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:07:21 -0400
Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.46) by MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1847.3; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:07:20 -0400
Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb]) by MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb%22]) with mapi id 15.01.1847.007; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:07:20 -0400
From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05
Thread-Index: AdYzkAx0m2ssZAMLTjWn2jugw7dc+A==
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:07:20 +0000
Message-ID: <7cba97541fbd435b94192d23f966b363@cert.org>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
x-originating-ip: [10.64.203.21]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/vlNolo_EIhFe58ApF7knZBtD0J8>
Subject: [lamps] AD review of draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:07:26 -0000

Hi!

I conducted an AD review of draft-ietf-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify-05.  Thanks=
 for the work on this document to address issues that had arisen in RFC7030=
.  Below is my feedback:=20

(1) From idnits:
  =3D=3D The 'Updates: ' line in the draft header should list only the _num=
bers_
     of the RFCs which will be updated by this document (if approved); it
     should not include the word 'RFC' in the list.

This is likely an artifact of the document build chain you are using, but c=
an you please recompile it to spit out the following s/Updates: RFC7030/Upd=
ates: 7030/

(2) From idnits:
  =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC8179' is defined on line 377, but no explici=
t
     reference was found in the text

  =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'X681' is defined on line 385, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'X682' is defined on line 389, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

(3) Section 1.  Editorial. =20
   "[RFC7030] defines the Enrollment over Secure Transport, or EST protocol=
.
   This specification defines a number  ..."

Because of the paragraph break, I initially read "This specification define=
s a ..." to mean this document when you really mean RFC7030.

(4) Section 1.  Per "Changes to [RFC7030] to bring it inline with typical H=
TTP processing  risk changes the on-wire protocol in a way that is not back=
wards  compatible.  However, reports ..."

-- I had difficulty parsing this first sentence due to the use of "changes"=
 twice.

-- Calling something "typical HTTP processing" begs for a reference describ=
ing that baseline behavior.

Maybe saying something like:=20

Any updates to [RFC7030] to bring it inline with HTTP processing per [RFC72=
31] risks changing the on-wire protocol in a way that is not backwards comp=
atible.

(5) Section 1.  Editorial.  There is no canonical set of implementers (so t=
he definite article shouldn't suggest that).  s/However, reports from the i=
mplementers .../However, reports from implementers/

(6) Section 1.  Typo.  s/extranous/extraneous/

(7) Section 1.  Editorial. Per "This document deals with errata numbers [er=
rata4384], [errata5107], [errata5108], and [errata5904]", this is helpful t=
o point out that these errata are getting addressed.  They are even cited a=
s normative references.  However, by my read, the text only every explains =
how [errata5108] is being addressed.  The other three are not mentioned in =
the text at all.  Please make the text more explicit on which changes are a=
ddressing which errata.

(8) Section 3, 4, and 5.  I found it confusing that each section used a dif=
ferent patch style.  Is there a reason to do that?

** Section 3 summarizes the behavior of 4.1.3, 4.3.1, 4.3.2, 4.4.2 and 4.5.=
2 without providing specific references to exact text, and then provides a =
general updated behavior (again without providing exact text updates)

** Section 4.  Provides an outright new blob of text to drop into a section=
 with high redundancy to the original

** Section 5.  Uses an OLD vs. NEW convention. =20

Minimally, since the style of Section 4 and 5 are similar and are precise, =
I'd recommend making Section 3 look like one of these style (i.e., being cl=
ear on exactly what text is being updated/deprecated).=20

(9) Section 3.  The updated guidance on handling the "Content-Transfer-Enco=
ding" header isn't clear to me.  My confused is likely related to comment (=
8).  The following sections/text seem to contain related guidance/commentar=
y:

(a) Section 1.  "However, reports from the implementers suggest that many i=
mplementations do not send the Content-Transfer-Encoding, and many of them =
ignore it.  The consequence is that simply deprecating the header would rem=
ain compatible with current implementations." - this commentary suggests th=
at dropping the header would cause no issues if that approach is taken.

(b) Section 3.  "This document updates [RFC7030] to require the POST reques=
t and payload response of all endpoints use Base64 encoding as specified in=
 Section 4 of [RFC4648]." - this updated guidance doesn't explicitly rule o=
ut the use of the header

(c) Section 3. "This format is to be used regardless of any Content-Transfe=
r-Encoding header, and any value in such a header MUST be ignored." - this =
doesn't say anything about sending the header, only that it should be ignor=
ed on processing; this seems important for backwards compatibility.

(d) Section 4.  The text removes the reference to "Content-Transfer-Encodin=
g" in a patch to Section 4.5.2 of [RFC7030]

(e) [RFC7030] Sections 4.1.3 (CA Certificates Response, /cacerts), 4.3.1/4.=
3.2 (Full CMC, /fullcmc), and 4.4.2 (Server-Side Key Generation) still cont=
ain a reference to Content-Transfer-Encoding even after  applying my read o=
n how this document "patches" RFC7030.  For example:

** [RFC7030] Section 4.1.3. "The Simple PKI Response is sent with a Content=
-Transfer-Encoding of "base64" [RFC2045]."

** [RFC7030] Section 4.3.1/4.3.2. "The body of the message is the binary va=
lue of the encoding of the XXXX with a Content-Transfer-Encoding of "base64=
" [RFC2045]."

** An "application/pkcs8" part consists of the base64-encoded DER-encoded [=
X.690] PrivateKeyInfo with a Content-Transfer-Encoding of "base64" [RFC2045=
].

Why drop the header from one section per (d) but not from the others per (e=
)?  Under what circumstances should a header be sent - specifically, if (c)=
 says the header should be dropped, why do we still send it per (e)?

(10) Section 3.1. Per "This specification clarifies that despite [RFC2616],=
 that white space including CR, LF, spaces (ASCII 32) and, tabs (ASCII 9) s=
hould be tolerated by receivers", is there a reason that there isn't a norm=
ative SHOULD here?

(11) Section 4.
"Section 4.5.2 of [RFC7030] is to be replaced with the following text:
4.1.  CSR Attributes Response"

** Editorial. I suspect there is a tool chain rendering issue.  The section=
 header to drop into RFC7030 needs to read "4.5.2 CSR Attributes Response" =
(not 4.1 which is the next section of this document).  Editorial alternativ=
e would be to drop the header entirely or following convention used in Sect=
ions 5.1 and 5.2.

** Editorial. It might also be valuable to explain what is getting changed =
instead of just providing an updated blob.

** Editorial. Given that the changes are confined to paragraph 2 and 3, why=
 reproduce the rest of the content here - i.e., there is over a page worth =
of text that isn't changed but is reproduced here.  Other updates, describe=
d in section 5, only reproduced the updated paragraphs.

(12) Section 4. Editorial.  For consistency with RFC7090, consider s/[X609]=
/[X.609]/.

(13) Section 5.  The updates here drop the normative MUST to a "must" regar=
ding the "response data must ...".  The Errata text explains that "Note tha=
t the MUST was reduced to a must because no content-type is specified" but =
I'm still not following why we lost the normative MUST.  What am I missing?

(14) Section 8.  Typo. s/doucment/document/

(15) Section 8.  Typo. s/doducment/document/

Regards,
Roman


From nobody Tue May 26 12:55:24 2020
Return-Path: <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775323A0FC3; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.099
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6SCuIQDrHOM0; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pj1-x102d.google.com (mail-pj1-x102d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC603A0FC0; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pj1-x102d.google.com with SMTP id fs4so260404pjb.5; Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;  h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XIkIGp7oU+0ih+TCWgQ2SDkfQIGFc7awg+BQSwLn460=; b=ppldLC2TBvmLB3JKXCRYIlRTUYdTO1lEKfMCsauYyyT5aa7p6lRINppOsyIY2sH0uP z2irb6He4pu8PEHSpMDtHkZI7mCiuK1cY/hwsBkTNdlxZXMt3wH4ceLKxPyFFFnjCle4 UhuVb+yXOifCLHUlnDoQL6YIQqLwwR/SQsz0qqA0Y0vC2W3CYRRWrseAooFFmcacUkoO kfe06UCU1tllvy1PXJI9oOGAz7GbVADf07Zq6LZoczqn0E9y6z6lBd9V2vd/5se94DRl dRleASgQMW1R54MlCw/fUSK+VU/8vZ+fNA2i9D9kxJj6eZO/mNEGtEFYGwsAxOiTW9tU dKrA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XIkIGp7oU+0ih+TCWgQ2SDkfQIGFc7awg+BQSwLn460=; b=j9VQQ8aXPlHrefZ7kquS5SnoDkpNpulbMfwp8IVt5iG7BbNKKeJHCnIqfvL/xpLZVb JLuQfrmAoaQJIWYn7q0dBmOsjIfERn2iRhAcygKSD3tDRqzl8TF6Tl7ay9bR9WmtKqXr ysBMvLAc4DdYKLt0gYUZzcoPXHr2SD8XIr1Xd2D00rVfHUE0p8UBnsou4zjaBMwAcfKS Wt5kGax5Y4Ma8KSaPasnkF/0usBvBDEmyHDiM0qF4tQVmJ7ru4U8bOX7CE7BQm8bOvya HxIyJ3MJTzKcsnvJNn1u9OatHUo8mwiM/RRkO69AxHTBm4yVjscvPqzjRK+AlgyAv5Qb Ohjw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531iEA0UReEWDU1LSxi1L1Ffc85dGyzJjkH08Qd8CQGbA4KSAX3H DRiUeKSizDm3JsONb4zwffs7MG2hRLDaOMoZXPcV9zroMak=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzVnMfdXAha4vjs7rj/g6KCtOpxHV9ksUAGYMeyJ3PbeGGjSM48lAKIT/hLOxmlL4MA2+G+vUJ5q0G7qkZLujs=
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:2ec1:: with SMTP id h1mr900168pjs.145.1590522916784;  Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 22:55:04 +0300
Message-ID: <CALT56yMzn30b+2Qx6qWRBdE_47w-kCzxpskooWbV-SM-WzyUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: spasm@ietf.org, curdle@ietf.org
Cc: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/F8IRefgALX1U1gc6dkg8f-m5guI>
Subject: [lamps] Looking for contemporary CMS samples (X25519/Ed25519/AES-GCM)
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:55:20 -0000

Hello,

While working on CMS support, it was noticed that there are no known
public CMS test vectors covering recent (or not so recent) additions.
In particular we were looking for X25519/Ed25519 and AES-GCM/AES-CCM
examples. Do you have any known-good samples that can be used in open
source projects?

Thank you!

--
With best wishes
Dmitry


From nobody Tue May 26 14:00:04 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7F13A07C5 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bl6HfqrFIc4J for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 26 May 2020 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845543A07C2 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11554300B65 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 16:59:59 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vBEi2sh_D6hJ for <spasm@ietf.org>; Tue, 26 May 2020 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16E24300A51; Tue, 26 May 2020 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALT56yMzn30b+2Qx6qWRBdE_47w-kCzxpskooWbV-SM-WzyUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 16:59:58 -0400
Cc: SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>, curdle@ietf.org, Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <0DF58640-3CC8-4675-BEDC-6CF52FDA8707@vigilsec.com>
References: <CALT56yMzn30b+2Qx6qWRBdE_47w-kCzxpskooWbV-SM-WzyUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/m0JKaW24-vitbHKzetSR5MayRT4>
Subject: Re: [lamps] Looking for contemporary CMS samples (X25519/Ed25519/AES-GCM)
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 21:00:03 -0000

RFC 8591 has an example of authEnvelopedData with RSA and AES-GCM.

Russ


> On May 26, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> While working on CMS support, it was noticed that there are no known
> public CMS test vectors covering recent (or not so recent) additions.
> In particular we were looking for X25519/Ed25519 and AES-GCM/AES-CCM
> examples. Do you have any known-good samples that can be used in open
> source projects?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> --
> With best wishes
> Dmitry
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spasm mailing list
> Spasm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm


From nobody Thu May 28 11:47:56 2020
Return-Path: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietf.org
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84113A0AF7; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: spasm@ietf.org
X-Test-IDTracker: no
X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: spasm@ietf.org
Message-ID: <159069166961.13237.6036957088592596078@ietfa.amsl.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:47:49 -0700
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/0_DaUK68pHMDkE3nfc2b4AFTjUk>
Subject: [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 18:47:50 -0000

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Update to the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) for Algorithm Identifier Protection
        Author          : Russ Housley
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2020-05-28

Abstract:
   This document updates the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
   specified in RFC 5652 to ensure that algorithm identifiers in signed-
   data and authenticated-data content types are adequately protected.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/



From nobody Thu May 28 11:49:10 2020
Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spasm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490D13A0B0B for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WvC1OTUTR70 for <spasm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1BD03A0AF7 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EED300ABD for <spasm@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:49:04 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 5Fm1Qy0aCyyi for <spasm@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:49:02 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5D05300A91 for <spasm@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 14:49:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\))
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:49:04 -0400
References: <159069166981.13237.9926427396440453466@ietfa.amsl.com>
To: SPASM <spasm@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <159069166981.13237.9926427396440453466@ietfa.amsl.com>
Message-Id: <142676E8-A1B4-4A09-988C-4F655F26489E@vigilsec.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/lmYLjoVr0YDzfNikV_hCaoaXbyE>
Subject: Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02.txt
X-BeenThere: spasm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is a venue for discussion of doing Some Pkix And SMime \(spasm\) work." <spasm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spasm/>
List-Post: <mailto:spasm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spasm>, <mailto:spasm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 18:49:08 -0000

This revision addresses all of the WG Last Call comments.

Russ


> On May 28, 2020, at 2:47 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A new version of I-D, =
draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Russ Housley and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>=20
> Name:		draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
> Revision:	02
> Title:		Update to the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) =
for Algorithm Identifier Protection
> Document date:	2020-05-28
> Group:		lamps
> Pages:		8
> URL:            =
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-pr=
otect-02.txt
> Status:         =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protec=
t/
> Htmlized:       =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect-02
> Htmlized:       =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-p=
rotect
> Diff:           =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-pro=
tect-02
>=20
> Abstract:
>   This document updates the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
>   specified in RFC 5652 to ensure that algorithm identifiers in =
signed-
>   data and authenticated-data content types are adequately protected.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =
submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>=20
> The IETF Secretariat
>=20
>=20

