From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jun 1 20:46:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B32111E80EC; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NMJFXHun2su5; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9323311E808C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:46:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120602034621.19553.46272.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:46:21 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:46:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnetion of Lots of Links): Bid= irectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Support Author(s) : Vishwas Manral Donald Eastlake Dave Ward Ayan Banerjee Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2012-06-01 This document specifies use of the BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding Detection) protocol in RBridge campuses based on the Rbridge Channel extension to the the TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. BFD is a widely deployed OAM (Operations, Administration, and Maintenance) mechanism in IP and MPLS networks, using UDP and ACH encapsulation respectively. This document specifies the BFD encapsulation over TRILL. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sun Jun 3 06:49:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE33C21F8647 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.224 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.224 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.375, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSyz7IMcmYJJ for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5C521F8573 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so3188582ghb.31 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xoNbIEcGzIzguXyB1QBvrLGf06kIOSyUg2zOL4rLYxk=; b=w0vS/IABb7zTAAPZlafsjq3z058cNy6+0sR/LMYxjZTuq4SuRD0AgyUfpKyJYGVtcX P2WrCDDn2B3apIujW94UJsHozPGsWSzBvahlWCDE6ufZtQ0PpolVQ5pB7V+CFceKPzQ8 wpBWwHrHj5Ph0cYe0gB0g1bjLAnB8mODEVAcmOQIpm3SzGUCwfWW3DDGdqmaG+26PzX3 rqDSfE9x003P9w28YEFXL2jRtFRWHwJECV07i73DXKXVKRpiCWFZC6OJytLKXs6MkIbR 4pB4pRBh6n6aqFd9P1EujPaIJFcqTiZlFP6crPbvlrSCiQNRFaWqsjotYTkAIPAsUe7j gsfg== Received: by 10.42.153.10 with SMTP id k10mr5432779icw.24.1338731344252; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.99.228 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:48:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120602034621.19553.46272.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120602034621.19553.46272.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:49:05 -0000 This revision is aimed at resolved the DISCUSS posted by AD Brian Haberman. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=A0=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell) =A0155 Beaver Street,=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots= of Links Working Group of the IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : TRILL (Transparent Interconnet= ion of Lots of Links): Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Support > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Vishwas Manral > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Donald Eastlake > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dave Ward > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ayan Banerjee > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.= txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 16 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-06-01 > > =A0 This document specifies use of the BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding > =A0 Detection) protocol in RBridge campuses based on the Rbridge Channel > =A0 extension to the the TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of > =A0 Links) protocol. > > =A0 BFD is a widely deployed OAM (Operations, Administration, and > =A0 Maintenance) mechanism in IP and MPLS networks, using UDP and ACH > =A0 encapsulation respectively. =A0This document specifies the BFD > =A0 encapsulation over TRILL. > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd-06.txt > > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-bfd/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Tue Jun 5 10:26:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8906D21F8766 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:26:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NfYlUgJzNaGr for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D533421F8777 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so4680141ggn.31 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:26:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cUHUgdmy63agUhwuSgbMBO/IyAznq/bi/6Dk5ukXSic=; b=uwWkI21vcOjWV9LOgFBTRmQB1AxcBQswe/ZAIwQY3nmRUZfcWR/R8AoLSS2IrMoIGV fiHf6RzXFDNjI6Bvjlq/sXezFqgXmMQYRoN9AgRGeGwObebBd1EFBYW2kDT9qs6XqrCD e63TD5B9jEVoFPt8s/VrYu3x7p35b8QBcvCE0YQJBO6O3iO1Ooc99LjQJQH7JK6eHnbU NETHIa2XfebeSd5BuWosUbTZbcaIZIhqqeUxaVEVsTmgkkGgq2t1xRCHibkz41L4SmIc 5iRZkZ861ajV1yYnrfZWY2lPWa6BfFdlA+eIBo2OPS0Gv50I4rZ6PWe2tPJntsN/FZnY 1r5g== Received: by 10.50.173.5 with SMTP id bg5mr2569112igc.35.1338917199257; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:26:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.99.228 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Vishwas Manral , Caitlin Bestler , Anoop Ghanwani , Li Yizhou Subject: [trill] Fwd: Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-04 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:26:40 -0000 AD Barry Leiba has filed a discuss on draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension on the grounds that the allocation criteria of Standards Action amy be too high for extended header bits. I am inclined to think he has a good point. Is there any objection to changing this to IETF Review? Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=A0=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell) =A0155 Beaver Street,=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 5 -- Please explain (briefly -- a sentence or two will surely do) the reason for selecting Standards Action for this registry. =A0I'd prefer it if that sentence or two were in the IANA Considerations, unless there's a reason not to put it there. I understand that there is a limited number of bits to be given out, so freely allocating them for the asking would be harmful. =A0Still, Standards Action is very heavyweight: did you consider IETF Review (which could allow Informational or Experimental documents to do allocations, with community consensus and IESG approval), or even Specification Required (where you could give instructions that the designated expert exert tight control over the allocations)? From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Jun 6 11:14:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EAD21F8800; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:14:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.933 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.933 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.666, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08ZvUif0Yk7D; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD86921F87FE; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120606181359.29043.12432.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:13:59 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Last Call: (TRILL: Clarifications, Corrections, and Updates) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:14:00 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG (trill) to consider the following document: - 'TRILL: Clarifications, Corrections, and Updates' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-06-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The IETF TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topology, safe forwarding even during periods of temporary loops, and support for multipathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. TRILL accomplishes this by using IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate System) link state routing and by encapsulating traffic using a header that includes a hop count. Since the TRILL base protocol was approved in March 2010, active development of TRILL has revealed a few errata in the original RFC 6325 and some cases that could use clarifications or updates. RFC 6327 and RFC 6439 provide clarifications and updates with respect to Adjacency and Appointed Forwarders. This document provide other known clarifications, corrections, and updates to RFC 6325, RFC 6327, and RFC 6439. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Jun 6 11:46:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285AE21F8681; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.416, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id duUcYVachUQU; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A39821F8667; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120606184602.6610.47096.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:46:02 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Last Call: (TRILL: RBridge Channel Support) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:46:03 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG (trill) to consider the following document: - 'TRILL: RBridge Channel Support' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-06-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies a general channel mechanism for sending messages, such as BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding Detection) messages, between RBridges (Routing Bridges) and between RBridges and end stations in an RBridge campus through extensions to the TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Jun 6 14:16:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28C921F875A; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rK0r1yKngG8h; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E8821F8758; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120606211653.14630.97880.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:16:53 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:16:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. Title : RBridges: Further TRILL Header Extensions Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Anoop Ghanwani Vishwas Manral Caitlin Bestler Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options-07.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2012-06-06 The TRILL base protocol standard specifies minimal hooks to safely support TRILL Header extensions. Initial extensions have been specified in RFC [ExtendHeader]. This document specifies the format for further such extensions and specifies some further specific extensions. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options-07.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Thu Jun 7 14:56:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0882E21F8733 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHi+LUL3wsfC for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609E121F8694 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so929961ghb.31 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:56:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aGweWpeooHeHenunvuYvsmMwY0dt1GVt52llFGjY+bg=; b=KRfG8oBTbosLPq6BV+j22hONEETUsKlne+b+x7vxfXZzpakAH8lAp3UrRSVyvUijPk KpS4S/M0Ci+8V/9Gc5SZqiBFE9wR5UEUCn9DqWQMy4hLV9YlDZKu3G3W7rzCaergopGO gyvUb5qL7lHAZOA4r5k9Dsh21Vn5IAno2jdH7VCoEcr2UXZZYDdUMlPPf1se1/8mWB38 f53odoegqVsw8VT9hsUvOGpIJpD0lSN2rNp7N4cLrHnXyIElzsIxj9WvDfH7hwsFIcGz hxRKkJSf2EM0i+LC0KSWcOyrlF6warSK+zcRIds0TCU4g4ENr4t+lehAJ9TZMaowQx+v 6CUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.196.201 with SMTP id io9mr2188989igc.58.1339106174880; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.16.227 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:56:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Donald Eastlake To: "trill@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93410eddecc1704c1e8f3c3 Subject: [trill] TRILL OAM Requirements to WG draft X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:56:16 -0000 --14dae93410eddecc1704c1e8f3c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We will move draft-tissa-trill-oam-req to WG draft in a couple of weeks unless there are significant objections. Thanks, Donald -- Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --14dae93410eddecc1704c1e8f3c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will move draft-tissa-trill-oam-req to WG draft in a couple of weeks unl= ess there are significant objections.

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--14dae93410eddecc1704c1e8f3c3-- From touch@isi.edu Fri Jun 8 11:40:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD6D21F8629 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.846, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPkJJ5eN1ekK for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA94121F8622 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.160.166] (abc.isi.edu [128.9.160.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58IeBc1016234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FD2470B.1080207@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:40:11 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Eastlake References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] will stop working June 8th X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:40:43 -0000 Hi, all, This serves as official notice that rbridge@postel.org will no longer forward to trill@ietf.org, as per below. That forwarding will be taken down sometime in the next days. Joe On 5/17/2012 5:56 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > The TRILL WG mailing list has been for some time. The > old WG name has been forwarding to > so either one has actually worked. This has been > causing some minor operational problems. > > This is a warning that on or about June 8th, will > stop working and mail to that address will bounce. > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sun Jun 10 21:03:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D95521F84DE; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3CPI71aqpgdz; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CE721F84B4; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120611040305.16238.95287.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:03:05 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:03:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: Fine-Grained Labeling Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Puneet Agarwal Radia Perlman Dinesh G. Dutt Filename : draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-01.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2012-06-10 The IETF has standardized TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links), a protocol for least cost transparent frame routing in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and link technologies, using link-state routing and encapsulation with a hop count. The TRILL base protocol standard supports labeling of TRILL data with up to 4K IDs. However, there are applications that require more fine- grained labeling of data. This document updates RFC 6325 by specifying extensions to the TRILL base protocol to accomplish this. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-01.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling/ From nordmark@acm.org Thu Jun 14 11:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1380421F8716 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMhHISh5mWji for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BF521F858F for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.22.61] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q5EImGN5015973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:48:16 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "trill@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:48:21 -0000 We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how directories can fit into TRILL. Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. Thanks, Erik From ghanwani@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 17:35:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168FD11E808F for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.864 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.864 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1vUMGbAtUYi for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D8E11E8083 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so3272362dac.31 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2L7WlKv3zdAHkhm4+t5wDYgvYjS321YE/bLapaYbgD8=; b=gxqzi4wAzl1U3B6PrmlMX9rnGGMBiPagVrkYua+oj5w6kAYtV905rmAX4Q6oGCkVIa SN4YGKbB42rcWUuZtAlX4d6DITDkc7EdPY2mTJZ6rCBQYkNj0ybh+7HF19jcN2rhSBNh BWtgF9C+oRbJSMd3eoQGpPjukWtFnjCHrCoAvzc2xcUe/SiAOD1Upo2UfNwuCXWMRW9w XR6VsAs64Deos3H3OwAL/XdFWQauG+KF4agui3MyMu907YIv+P4tgd1JG5FgjK49W9pe P+gaFLQk3AbJjSpiSFskjmTJPdgd6Yh0Za2aa4UzZL1xO2u/jWTI/802mbSC4q+Wa843 ojuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.222.163 with SMTP id qn3mr13667790pbc.135.1339720539119; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ghanwani@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.79.9 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:39 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2ni3FFwggXNUB_uFFcRJN4FqSE Message-ID: From: Anoop Ghanwani To: Erik Nordmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:35:40 -0000 I think this is an interesting problem/solution, but I think it falls short in discussing how the directory should be created and what protocol should be used for the directory server. Implementing something like this would mean that ARP/ND messages would all have to be forwarded in software (otherwise hosts would have a problem creating their ARP caches), which is not mentioned in the document. Anoop On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: > > > > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, = and > it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP and = ND > scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. > > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how directories > can fit into TRILL. > > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > > > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. > > Thanks, > =A0 Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From aldrin.ietf@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 19:16:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4B921F84D5 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.867 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.867 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.664, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Nz1VFbkKotw for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5342A21F84A6 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so3362235dac.31 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=cyxSOGj2Jk6L6D24Yzwmb+gTA17XiyUbwNLGxZx7pes=; b=0D/1Ur9idOxCzVCp1q7QD/q6KjZHt/Fwznyjmpf45q1oNUritC7XUsJzcgyZpZZqA4 Uj6hHpvtgIjJ7JGlOS7D6t4wFfcTLs7XMXo9plcwAvpJAgTPOfaYbtOKtDW0U6cntLaY nItMoaJB2N4pUjVM8epideNmS5JXk+YTOzea0mEbhGyH9FrnP53QVk2rGIOsr+26m+Te CiVxMSVUCMAucXBiWxT63efgO3K6cfhJqv1PMAdxSUe1WEZOP4y5ga8oCymD+774TcoU qbCTxN1xJfJ9uMIZWTs266nLzHUwkcsqGD3GBbRzwKWJBj+V+vARa3a+CuBrJyFBXl4F Y6Gg== Received: by 10.68.132.201 with SMTP id ow9mr14175429pbb.160.1339726617110; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-107-3-156-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [107.3.156.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id np8sm11470032pbc.71.2012.06.14.19.16.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Sam Aldrin Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:16:53 -0700 To: Erik Nordmark Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:16:57 -0000 Hi, I read the draft and the problem statement is clearly laid out. This is surely an interesting problem and could be many ways to solve it. Directory assistance is one of the solutions. As the document doesn't specify the solution part of it, I would prefer to h= ave this document converted to as framework and requirements document. A sol= utions document could be worked out separately. If the decision is to convert as FW doc, authors may want to re-spin a new v= ersion prior to adoption, clearly laying out the framework to solve the pro= blem. Otherwise, I personally feel it wouldn't be much value add to have an i= nformational document just describing the problem without solution details. Cheers Sam Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: >=20 > >=20 > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, a= nd it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP and N= D scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >=20 > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended s= tatus: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how directories can= fit into TRILL. >=20 > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > >=20 > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >=20 > Thanks, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Fri Jun 15 09:30:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61821F8593 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iHfgJI3+46FI for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C956621F8592 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHF15293; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:28:39 -0700 Received: from DFWEML506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.111]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:28:32 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Anoop Ghanwani , Erik Nordmark Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNSl5OXDd8orf5eEGxY8nXnBIqcpb6/i+AgACRKWA= Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:28:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F63393DA8C@dfweml506-mbx> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Sam Aldrin , 'Igor Gashinsky' , "Radia@alum.mit.edu" , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:30:09 -0000 Thanks to Anoop and Sam's opinion on this draft.=20 This draft initially had technical content, e.g. the detailed mechanism to = achieve Pull model and Push model. As we peel the onion and explore more de= tails of the mechanisms, a lot more options for the detailed mechanisms wer= e mentioned to achieve the goal. It will be a huge document if all the opti= ons are included.=20 Therefore, the TRILL WG chairs suggested to remove the technical content an= d make the draft as framework informational draft. After WG agree to genera= l framework, multiple drafts can be written to describe various options and= debate on which one is suitable or all being optional, etc.=20 I am fine with re-spinning the draft by changing the name to "draft-trill-d= irectory-framework-requirement".=20 What do people think? Linda Dunbar > -----Original Message----- > From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Anoop Ghanwani > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:36 PM > To: Erik Nordmark > Cc: trill@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory- > assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? >=20 > I think this is an interesting problem/solution, > but I think it falls short in discussing how the > directory should be created and what protocol > should be used for the directory server. >=20 > Implementing something like this would mean > that ARP/ND messages would all have to be > forwarded in software (otherwise hosts would > have a problem creating their ARP caches), > which is not mentioned in the document. >=20 > Anoop >=20 > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Erik Nordmark > wrote: > > > > assisted-edge-05> > > > > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the > past, and > > it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP > and ND > > scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. > > > > The document is intended as an informational document (it says > "Intended > > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how > directories > > can fit into TRILL. > > > > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > > > > > > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. > > > > Thanks, > > =A0 Erik > > _______________________________________________ > > trill mailing list > > trill@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From radiaperlman@gmail.com Fri Jun 15 10:00:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B61821F85C2 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Pfo9HxCgxyF for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7643F21F85BD for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so3427128obb.31 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KYcZsOO26xt/KAbWYGK2hrMuMSbkkynw/3GV3yfZulI=; b=AvB0I9Z+ILgcznGo6LdQbTy+ygf955PrcK+qSBoqJqGsxKcat98GElDmULrre2qggV +k+V6WLSBChD2pID5S3/7CiZHg8pxvuhaH+nXtTnV2N/q7WEvJ2er20f5JRZv87FfqPC 8K5gbPzVWhggdlhUo6NQqTPNQNrpSERx9HCTuED/ZXBl5ZhHjjUKNR2paDaKf4jaWfUR fwk1AOEYEuo/UTGvugtJq8rjLGlWJmT/EmvIMz7QKPSK/MecbiGj1S2FA2piJ5Gvbkjn nDxnY6BCfvyqsRHb0yK8mymAXo72vSulyyRHNrKYG9eHcHZ+fnpTPZf2ZOqS+GRebbHm SBMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.179.38 with SMTP id dd6mr6808797obc.16.1339779599923; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.121.101 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F63393DA8C@dfweml506-mbx> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F63393DA8C@dfweml506-mbx> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:59:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: Linda Dunbar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Anoop Ghanwani , "Radia@alum.mit.edu" , Sam Aldrin , Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" , Igor Gashinsky Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:00:01 -0000 I think it would be a good idea to have multiple drafts, each one focused on a particular dimension of the problem, and let this be framing the problem and rationale. But at any rate, I support adopting this as a WG draft. Radia On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Linda Dunbar wro= te: > Thanks to Anoop and Sam's opinion on this draft. > > This draft initially had technical content, e.g. the detailed mechanism t= o achieve Pull model and Push model. As we peel the onion and explore more = details of the mechanisms, a lot more options for the detailed mechanisms w= ere mentioned to achieve the goal. It will be a huge document if all the op= tions are included. > > Therefore, the TRILL WG chairs suggested to remove the technical content = and make the draft as framework informational draft. After WG agree to gene= ral framework, multiple drafts can be written to describe various options a= nd debate on which one is suitable or all being optional, etc. > > I am fine with re-spinning the draft by changing the name to "draft-trill= -directory-framework-requirement". > > What do people think? > > Linda Dunbar > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Anoop Ghanwani >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:36 PM >> To: Erik Nordmark >> Cc: trill@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory- >> assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? >> >> I think this is an interesting problem/solution, >> but I think it falls short in discussing how the >> directory should be created and what protocol >> should be used for the directory server. >> >> Implementing something like this would mean >> that ARP/ND messages would all have to be >> forwarded in software (otherwise hosts would >> have a problem creating their ARP caches), >> which is not mentioned in the document. >> >> Anoop >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Erik Nordmark >> wrote: >> > >> > > assisted-edge-05> >> > >> > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the >> past, and >> > it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP >> and ND >> > scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >> > >> > The document is intended as an informational document (it says >> "Intended >> > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how >> directories >> > can fit into TRILL. >> > >> > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: >> > >> > >> > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > =A0 Erik >> > _______________________________________________ >> > trill mailing list >> > trill@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From liyizhou@huawei.com Sun Jun 17 18:44:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF53821F85AC for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0n2tgfYSfTKx for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528AF21F857F for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHH01467; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:44:21 -0700 Received: from SZXEML418-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.157) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:44:21 -0700 Received: from l63746 (10.138.122.40) by smtpscn.huawei.com (10.82.67.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:13 +0800 From: Yizhou Li To: 'Erik Nordmark' , References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:13 +0800 Message-ID: <01de01cd4cf3$dd646300$982d2900$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1KXkiooehLTvL3QTm9hj7rqrr1zgClSRdw Content-Language: zh-cn X-Originating-IP: [10.138.122.40] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:45:00 -0000 I have read the draft and support adopting it as an WG draft. Yizhou -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Erik Nordmark Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:48 AM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how directories can fit into TRILL. Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. Thanks, Erik _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From hu.fangwei@zte.com.cn Sun Jun 17 19:22:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C1321F857F; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.635 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.635 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xon32al16xfI; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [95.130.199.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7450B21F8582; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.17.99] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp id 286201455586978; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:19:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.30.3.21] by [192.168.168.15] with StormMail ESMTP id 52926.7869373201; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:22:50 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id q5I2MbF0048774; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:22:37 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from hu.fangwei@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F63393DA8C@dfweml506-mbx> To: Linda Dunbar MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.4 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: hu.fangwei@zte.com.cn Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:22:37 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.1FP4|July 25, 2010) at 2012-06-18 10:22:38, Serialize complete at 2012-06-18 10:22:38 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000D0E2B48257A21_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn q5I2MbF0048774 Cc: trill-bounces@ietf.org, Anoop Ghanwani , "Radia@alum.mit.edu" , Sam Aldrin , Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" , 'Igor Gashinsky' Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? 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Thread-Index: Ac1KXk+Grl3TmycyRFeNiQSoaZERVADF8t1w Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208C13FD8@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:23:53 -0000 As an informational framework-like draft, I support WG adoption of this dra= ft. There are likely to be opportunities to use the same protocol(s) for direct= ory access as nvo3 will use, with differences based on encapsulation difference= s (trill needs identify and address the remote RBridge at layer 2, nvo3 needs to identify and address the remote NVE at layer 3). Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Erik > Nordmark > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:48 PM > To: trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-ed= ge- > 05.txt as a WG document? >=20 >=20 > 05> >=20 > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, > and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP > and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >=20 > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how > directories can fit into TRILL. >=20 > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > >=20 > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >=20 > Thanks, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From naveen@broadcom.com Mon Jun 18 12:12:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF9721F86D6 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hpz+A5vmAoeF for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms2.broadcom.com (mms2.broadcom.com [216.31.210.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865721F86B1 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.224] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.5)); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:03 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 4500596E-606A-40F9-852D-14843D8201B2 Received: from SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.10) by SJEXCHHUB01.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.247.2; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:44 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [fe80::65ea:1de7:41c4:e948]) by SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:12:43 -0700 From: "Naveen Nimmu" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-tissa-trill-mt-encode-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHNTPwP11Wa4PxzKUyyd+je2V90oZcAcpJQ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:12:43 +0000 Message-ID: <8FCD488658FD4040A3A2279ABA0AD48309A660@SJEXCHMB06.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <20120618024247.13058.8369.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120618024247.13058.8369.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.65.50] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 63C1A20950S1536022-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: [trill] FW: New Version Notification for draft-tissa-trill-mt-encode-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:24:16 -0000 Linda, Current draft looks more focusing on the problem statement and framework rather than the requirement. I think using "framework" alone in the name fits better. Yizhou =20 -----Original Message----- On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Thanks to Anoop and Sam's opinion on this draft. > > This draft initially had technical content, e.g. the detailed = mechanism to achieve Pull model and Push model. As we peel the onion and explore more details of the mechanisms, a lot more options for the detailed = mechanisms were mentioned to achieve the goal. It will be a huge document if all = the options are included. > > Therefore, the TRILL WG chairs suggested to remove the technical = content and make the draft as framework informational draft. After WG agree to general framework, multiple drafts can be written to describe various options and debate on which one is suitable or all being optional, etc. > > I am fine with re-spinning the draft by changing the name to "draft-trill-directory-framework-requirement". > > What do people think? > > Linda Dunbar > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf >> Of Anoop Ghanwani >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:36 PM >> To: Erik Nordmark >> Cc: trill@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory- >> assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? >> >> I think this is an interesting problem/solution, >> but I think it falls short in discussing how the >> directory should be created and what protocol >> should be used for the directory server. >> >> Implementing something like this would mean >> that ARP/ND messages would all have to be >> forwarded in software (otherwise hosts would >> have a problem creating their ARP caches), >> which is not mentioned in the document. >> >> Anoop >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Erik Nordmark >> wrote: >> > >> > > assisted-edge-05> >> > >> > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the >> past, and >> > it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with = ARP >> and ND >> > scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >> > >> > The document is intended as an informational document (it says >> "Intended >> > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how >> directories >> > can fit into TRILL. >> > >> > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: >> > >> > >> > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > =A0 Erik >> > _______________________________________________ >> > trill mailing list >> > trill@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From zhangmingui@huawei.com Tue Jun 19 00:37:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E484821F8610 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hUKnXtRIB+kG for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAC321F860F for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHH93623; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:36:32 -0700 Received: from SZXEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.152) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:36:16 -0700 Received: from SZXEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.154]) by szxeml413-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.152]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:36:13 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNSl5JOq4LhR98ik+zHiX/x/Tn4pcBRy8Q Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:36:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FB3228@SZXEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.103.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:37:20 -0000 I Support it is adopted a WG informational framework draft. Thanks, Mingui > -----Original Message----- > From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Erik > Nordmark > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:48 AM > To: trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-ed= ge-05.txt > as a WG document? >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, > and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP > and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >=20 > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how > directories can fit into TRILL. >=20 > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > >=20 > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >=20 > Thanks, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From zhangmingui@huawei.com Tue Jun 19 00:41:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9F621F8625 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.498, BAYES_00=-2.599, FS_REPLICA=0.994, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aM-rCPCFhl5I for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2607421F8615 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHA61069; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.131) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:40:59 -0700 Received: from SZXEML438-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.72.61.73) by dfweml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.131) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:40:58 -0700 Received: from SZXEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.154]) by szxeml438-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.73]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:40:52 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "'trill@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: Ingress replication for multicast forwarding states reduction Thread-Index: AQHNSeGZQy8G0zb9VE+whwG5f16PPQ== Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:40:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FA55C1@SZXEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.103.7] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FA55C1SZXEML507MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [trill] Ingress replication for multicast forwarding states reduction X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:41:11 -0000 --_000_4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FA55C1SZXEML507MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG members, In TRILL, distribution trees are pruned per VLAN. The number of multicast s= tates maintained on TRILL switches may be very large. If RBridges advertise in LSPs that VLANs with _sparse_ multicast receivers = would rather use ingress replication, then distribution trees need not be p= runed and maintained for these VLANs. Since they are sparse, the bandwidth = consumption of them will be low. Given sparse multicast groups may have a h= igh proportion in all multicast groups, the states on RBridges can be great= ly reduced. So, whether it's possible to use ingress replication in combina= tion with distribution trees in TRILL? Thanks, Mingui --_000_4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FA55C1SZXEML507MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG members,

 

In TRILL, distribution trees ar= e pruned per VLAN. The number of multicast states maintained on TRILL switc= hes may be very large.

 

If RBridges advertise in LSPs t= hat VLANs with _sparse_ multicast receivers would rather use ingress= replication, then distribution trees need not be pruned and maintained for= these VLANs. Since they are sparse, the bandwidth consumption of them will be low. Given sparse multicast grou= ps may have a high proportion in all multicast groups, the states on RBridg= es can be greatly reduced. So, whether it’s possible to use ingress r= eplication in combination with distribution trees in TRILL?

 

Thanks,

Mingui

--_000_4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FA55C1SZXEML507MBXchi_-- From naveen@broadcom.com Tue Jun 19 01:00:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25CA21F86E8 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAeuGAIK54gJ for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms2.broadcom.com (mms2.broadcom.com [216.31.210.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AE621F864A for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.232] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.5)); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:59:12 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 4500596E-606A-40F9-852D-14843D8201B2 Received: from SJEXCHCAS02.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.37) by SJEXCHHUB02.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.232) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.247.2; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:59:53 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [fe80::65ea:1de7:41c4:e948]) by sjexchcas02.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:59:46 -0700 From: "Naveen Nimmu" To: "Mingui Zhang" , "Erik Nordmark" , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNSl5JOq4LhR98ik+zHiX/x/Tn4pcBRy8QgAAG8SA= Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: <8FCD488658FD4040A3A2279ABA0AD48309A96F@SJEXCHMB06.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FB3228@SZXEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E731FB3228@SZXEML507-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.65.50] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 63FEEEDA50S1711142-02-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:00:04 -0000 +1 support Thanks naveen -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of M= ingui Zhang Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:06 PM To: Erik Nordmark; trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-= edge-05.txt as a WG document? I Support it is adopted a WG informational framework draft. Thanks, Mingui > -----Original Message----- > From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Erik > Nordmark > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:48 AM > To: trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-ed= ge-05.txt > as a WG document? >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, > and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP > and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. >=20 > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how > directories can fit into TRILL. >=20 > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > >=20 > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. >=20 > Thanks, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From tsenevir@cisco.com Tue Jun 19 11:50:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B121F861A for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gPeUol60MxWF for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CD021F85C9 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:49:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=tsenevir@cisco.com; l=2222; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1340131800; x=1341341400; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2a4Clv2IRY+toHWusA/bMaa3uJlEw46DAmZ8Lm+e8/g=; b=dCmlmEniHj72sZfyj9QCd8oiXWNhr3HlUDe54IujqVV+vjv2RDWxmD3n 65HMbIRFnSIGrtvrufxDw4ywS14UTIuHu1n6p91tBqSsAGhav+3MSkXqv r/wWOMbAtTTD+K/XDU6nXq1z3qlBKN/O8EQPPL4wZ2Vwad6OdR8pUk5nw 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAOnI4E+tJV2c/2dsb2JhbABFtWqBB4IYAQEBBAEBAQ8BJzQXBAIBCBEEAQELFAkHJwsUCQgBAQQBEggTB4dpC5kjoDoEiy+FOWADkUmRc4FmgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,799,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="93917726" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jun 2012 18:49:56 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com [173.36.12.79]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q5JInuTY015170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:49:56 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.15]) by xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com ([173.36.12.79]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:49:56 -0500 From: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" To: Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? Thread-Index: Ac1KXkn1kjKWSwMpRtC8oR8wB1th0gD7I4wA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:49:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.155.2.44] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-18980.000 x-tm-as-result: No--26.457100-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:50:00 -0000 Dear All I have some clarifications and suggestions. 1. Currently TRILL charter says the following=20 "2) Development, within the TRILL protocol context, of requirements and specifications for broadcast/multicast (multi-destination) frame redu= ction; e.g., ARP/ND (Neighbor Discovery) reduction through use of the TRILL= ESADI protocol." I would like to propose to make this framework document a more generic docu= ment that address framework for "broadcast/multicast reduction in TRILL" an= d make ESADI and Directory assisted as part of that and also explain how th= ey fit in to the overall framework. Otherwise it is kind of odd to have a f= ramework for just one approach and not the other. 2. Based on the TRILL WG web page this draft has a related IPR. If we are = proposing to move this as a framework document to the WG status, it is impo= rtant to clarify how the IPR applies to solutions coming from the framework= . In general sense it may not be a good idea to have a framework document t= hat has IPR restrictions. Because framework documents are too broad in sco= pe. Thanks Tissa -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of E= rik Nordmark Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:48 AM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge= -05.txt as a WG document? We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, an= d it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP and = ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how directories c= an fit into TRILL. Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. Thanks, Erik _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From russw@riw.us Wed Jun 20 06:08:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324A21F85E0 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YIyB2f8gL4V9 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from da31.namelessnet.net (da31.namelessnet.net [74.124.205.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B132E21F85DB for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-065-190-156-032.nc.res.rr.com ([65.190.156.32] helo=[192.168.100.52]) by da31.namelessnet.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShKe7-0002uE-L4 for trill@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4FE1CB50.5050300@riw.us> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:08:32 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trill@ietf.org References: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4FDA31F0.5000806@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Seems clean. You should still use an Antivirus Scanner Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-dunbar-trill-directory-assisted-edge-05.txt as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:08:35 -0000 As a framework document, I support the adoption of this draft as a WG document. Russ On 6/14/2012 2:48 PM, Erik Nordmark wrote: > > > > > We've discussed earlier versions of this document in the WG in the past, > and it seems like useful information for a technique that helps with ARP > and ND scaling. It does not include any protocol changes or extensions. > > The document is intended as an informational document (it says "Intended > status: Standard Track" but that is incorrect) explaining how > directories can fit into TRILL. > > Note that there is claimed IPR associated with the draft: > > > Please send comments to the TRILL list before June 27. > > Thanks, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill -- <>< riwhite@verisign.com russw@riw.us From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Jun 20 14:23:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A0311E80B7; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.537 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gp7VVB8uhQnA; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2D411E8083; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.20 Message-ID: <20120620212326.29766.50649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:23:26 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:23:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: Header Extension Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Anoop Ghanwani Vishwas Manral Yizhou Li Caitlin Bestler Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2012-06-20 Abstract: The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) base protocol specifies minimal hooks to safely support TRILL Header extensions. This document specifies an initial extension providing additional flag bits and specifies some of those bits. It updates RFC 6325. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Jun 20 14:35:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A48921F8532 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZc-2t2HB-mV for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B204C21F852E for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so6859179yen.31 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZtKid9lpvKzebGIWc3hiLKQspGOfiHFXDVebY1vhtkU=; b=olBLviWQnoX+Lr5d1ISQ3vFfSEGh1+O7qkuaCzdln5uAoKdybZT4Y0YivnHKc+7FcU s9G4uOtjRiCZLYpA6+nKMw/KguwwscuWzeEhIxajG9pfz27b+cYp3ob2OH1l/33+X9ta 0rtU5qNVIe3MR2WDUFtKKnKvIpqgq45Ey1rlkzt+CCiA9snC0tAUkP1PPcti4IB6iq7V gG1569dE83Q0+chwNZmkG0m58Auaard9FtxF0E0ppcDsHo7ugUIhc8Ioi/xWUc3f4yPZ gzQsbAnVFGSY4Cy0htn2zVT9f+WlyStXHQDyLfOTRXvbCgF+xwHvhSIrD+B9shUK3yFl 2u3w== Received: by 10.50.173.5 with SMTP id bg5mr5873723igc.35.1340228136972; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.16.227 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:35:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120620212326.29766.50649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120620212326.29766.50649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:35:38 -0000 Hi, This revision is primarily editorial, in response to IESG and directorate reviews, but also includes the change mentioned here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg05139.html Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=A0=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell) =A0155 Beaver Street,=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > =A0This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : TRILL: Header Extension > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Donald Eastlake > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Anoop Ghanwani > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vishwas Manral > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Yizhou Li > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Caitlin Bestler > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extensi= on-05.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 16 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-06-20 > > Abstract: > =A0 The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) base > =A0 protocol specifies minimal hooks to safely support TRILL Header > =A0 extensions. This document specifies an initial extension providing > =A0 additional flag bits and specifies some of those bits. It updates RFC > =A0 6325. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05 > > A diff from previous version is available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-0= 5 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jun 22 07:10:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E6E21F8618; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6-yc9tkfrKzW; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0220D21F85F1; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:09:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.21 Message-ID: <20120622140950.31695.48501.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:09:50 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:10:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: Clarifications, Corrections, and Updates Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Anoop Ghanwani Vishwas Manral Ayan Banerjee Filename : draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2012-06-22 Abstract: The IETF TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topology, safe forwarding even during periods of temporary loops, and support for multipathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. TRILL accomplishes this by using IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate System) link state routing and by encapsulating traffic using a header that includes a hop count. Since the TRILL base protocol was approved in March 2010, active development of TRILL has revealed five errata in the original RFC 6325 and some cases that could use clarifications or updates. RFC 6327 and RFC 6439 provide clarifications and updates with respect to Adjacency and Appointed Forwarders. This document provides other known clarifications, corrections, and updates to RFC 6325, RFC 6327, and RFC 6439. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Fri Jun 22 07:13:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3A321F85F2 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Re8-CJEHp1R for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F93021F85FD for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so1700476yen.31 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pmx8cG00QuJRNPei7Ac7a8g5metZkDagkxTc6CJBLrI=; b=fzej2Iisk3Yu5F2ijdN7bj1vwt2vbGc572a6pw1yr6tPbSZ1iCT0WNsWhhnxuCopbv n0/190HH04MHYy6f2fZytWMR2Er4B8uDag/ZoYnxd4AoxO+C15BD8CeO8zQKsqR7igFD AcKeGyrYODtFtCxKFn3LmrDGBVHa31IATEODnSX6JCdVic22CBrB/7AQvFWstDb9ML5h HTAqyGhOsT8nchdm8zOCk9vCgZsM7bDNndajVKgJTTkZv1sifaNze8VJKhZafiWGEApe 0U1d4EesmT4Bl6JA/1cAWJ1oUaFP2E7+1fBks0ow//nfrJlS7TIy0JU9ioVor1wuW0yZ +irw== Received: by 10.50.100.129 with SMTP id ey1mr1695947igb.35.1340374411907; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.16.227 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:13:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120622140950.31695.48501.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120622140950.31695.48501.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:13:36 -0000 Hi, This version has accumulated editorial changes from AD and GENART review and updated author information. It is not intended that there be any technical change between versions -03 and -04. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=A0=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell) =A0155 Beaver Street,=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > =A0This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : TRILL: Clarifications, Correct= ions, and Updates > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Donald Eastlake > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mingui Zhang > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Anoop Ghanwani > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vishwas Manral > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ayan Banerjee > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-0= 4.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 30 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-06-22 > > Abstract: > =A0 The IETF TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) > =A0 protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without > =A0 configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topology, safe > =A0 forwarding even during periods of temporary loops, and support for > =A0 multipathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. TRILL > =A0 accomplishes this by using IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate > =A0 System) link state routing and by encapsulating traffic using a > =A0 header that includes a hop count. Since the TRILL base protocol was > =A0 approved in March 2010, active development of TRILL has revealed five > =A0 errata in the original RFC 6325 and some cases that could use > =A0 clarifications or updates. > > =A0 RFC 6327 and RFC 6439 provide clarifications and updates with respect > =A0 to Adjacency and Appointed Forwarders. This document provides other > =A0 known clarifications, corrections, and updates to RFC 6325, RFC 6327, > =A0 and RFC 6439. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04 > > A diff from previous version is available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-clear-correct-04 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Jun 25 18:59:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC8121F85C3; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7yV9agQsrgDn; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B9721F8546; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.21 Message-ID: <20120626015848.15040.98727.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:58:48 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-esadi-00.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:59:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links): Th= e ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) Protocol Author(s) : Hongjun Zhai Fangwei Hu Radia Perlman Donald Eastlake Filename : draft-ietf-trill-esadi-00.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2012-06-25 Abstract: The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and link technologies. TRILL supports for multi-pathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. Devices that implement the TRILL protocol are called RBridges (Routing Bridges) or TRILL Switches. The ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) protocol is a VLAN (Virtual Local Area Network) scoped way that TRILL switches can communicate end station addresses to each other. An RBridge announcing VLAN-x connectivity (normally a VLAN-x appointed forwarder) and running the TRILL ESADI protocol can receive remote address information and/or transmit local address information for VLAN-x to other such RBridges. This document updates RFC 6325, specifically the documentation of the ESADI protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-esadi There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-esadi-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From tsenevir@cisco.com Mon Jun 25 20:53:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A25511E8079 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6jF-2uUpqcfJ for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF2D21F842E for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=tsenevir@cisco.com; l=3167; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1340682801; x=1341892401; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=4GQNgXHR6koPfIGW0qFT3Fi6CPD8wSbNEf9wsygaOzY=; b=NINmcyrodnDJO9UARKBH93SSHuUvvb/nDhBviVKS7z7IIXoeTq7oxE9Y O7rAcKghJcLuJ7Ogpi29WAgbRYw+DDIsxVGaz1TvFQ8yS2DO/o116s6Tc vH99ByGDd5ZhbSc2rnxSBsrILqjNEy8htVeZQiYQsgLRMsh9rmJTtriFn Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8FAJEx6U+tJXG8/2dsb2JhbABEgkWjN4c6AYh1gQeCGgEEEgEaXgEMHlYmAQQbGodpC5dIgSigKZBXYAOWQI0JgWaCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,476,1336348800"; d="scan'208,217";a="95698278" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2012 03:53:21 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q5Q3rLbn020904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:53:21 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.15]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:53:20 -0500 From: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 802.1ag based messaging for TRILL OAM Thread-Index: Ac1TTziYqwTzkSxDSnqJdELr6O4E/Q== Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:53:20 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.169.27] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-18994.004 x-tm-as-result: No--31.282000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_FBEA3E19AA24F847BA3AE74E2FE19356012696xmbrcdx08ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [trill] 802.1ag based messaging for TRILL OAM X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:53:22 -0000 --_000_FBEA3E19AA24F847BA3AE74E2FE19356012696xmbrcdx08ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All We have published draft-tissa-trill-8021ag, which presents use of 802.1ag m= essaging as a common framework between different technologies. We also have= discussed the related TRILL OAM model. This is the -00 version and would like to welcome your comments http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tissa-trill-8021ag Thanks Tissa --_000_FBEA3E19AA24F847BA3AE74E2FE19356012696xmbrcdx08ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All

 

We have published draft-tissa-trill-8021ag, which pr= esents use of 802.1ag messaging as a common framework between different tec= hnologies. We also have discussed the related TRILL OAM model.

 

This is the -00 version and would like to welcome yo= ur comments

 

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tissa-trill-8021ag

 

Thanks

Tissa

--_000_FBEA3E19AA24F847BA3AE74E2FE19356012696xmbrcdx08ciscocom_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Jun 27 07:42:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C75021F86CB; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:42:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i+7-bZlvN5uG; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E99F21F851C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:42:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.21 Message-ID: <20120627144204.21832.85832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:42:04 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:42:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: RBridge Channel Support Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Vishwas Manral Yizhou Li Sam Aldrin Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2012-06-27 Abstract: This document specifies a general channel mechanism for sending messages, such as BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding Detection) messages, between RBridges (Routing Bridges) and between RBridges and end stations in an RBridge campus through extensions to the TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Jun 27 07:50:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F393B21F85E6 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caii+gvmjTX0 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0C421F85E5 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so1075042yen.31 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lOWZ7wfLxug3EfQzayf4R/v+FV4M2PA9OsWDe9dJdSM=; b=EIZorkWl8+vgGHWcT4fPOWQjY+5OfCRdmmx1vyj8qV5mbda6u51f3tUJibZ6ExZtVU wzgHGJWOnZNFfL2dRpzTXzReEd+8Wh4WhrbtnFkGj7l4Pbp0AINy9uU4jA+ATUZt98oP LSWKcXMMZKucuV5cxpKCxG0Oubu9IN7m9jJ1SNNBxj9/+SSJ0B33dmHwdqP4WUifv2L1 mvXIJ7DERg9shPBpZyfB/JKM02u5aDtiJOW0kbd5P/vhBL3GysL7pFYipG9khW0jhRUx TLe/3cVW5l8PhKtmVOJKVz9ng7PB7l4u9QnSh1jHHrI+vVqvAn1URdUl/sYausUTVtzv pFYQ== Received: by 10.50.34.200 with SMTP id b8mr1899693igj.50.1340808639448; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.16.227 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120627144204.21832.85832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120627144204.21832.85832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:50:41 -0000 This revised draft is intended to resolve all but one of the directorate and AD comments and suggestions. It contains a variety of editorial changes as well as minor, in my opinion, changes to the IANA Considerations and Security Considerations. A more detailed list of changes appears in the Change History Appendix in the draft. You may wish to review these changes. The one currently unresolved comment may require the addition of a Congestion Considerations section, perhaps somewhat similar to that in RFC 5085. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=A0=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell) =A0155 Beaver Street,=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > =A0This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots o= f Links Working Group of the IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : TRILL: RBridge Channel Support > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Donald Eastlake > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vishwas Manral > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Yizhou Li > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Sam Aldrin > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dave Ward > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel= -07.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 28 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-06-27 > > Abstract: > =A0 This document specifies a general channel mechanism for sending > =A0 messages, such as BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding Detection) messages, > =A0 between RBridges (Routing Bridges) and between RBridges and end > =A0 stations in an RBridge campus through extensions to the TRILL > =A0 (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 > > A diff from previous version is available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Jun 27 08:29:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90B521F8722; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8qpnGB0X--eb; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A7221F8754; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.21 Message-ID: <20120627152908.26847.87045.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:29:08 -0700 Cc: trill mailing list , trill chair , RFC Editor Subject: [trill] Protocol Action: 'TRILL: Header Extension' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05.txt) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:29:10 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'TRILL: Header Extension' (draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-05.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and Brian Haberman. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension/ Technical Summary The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) base protocol specifies minimal hooks to safely support TRILL Header extensions. This document specifies an initial extension providing additional flag bits and specifies two of those bits, plus the Critical Channel Alert Flag used by the channel draft. Working Group Summary There was rough consensus in the working group in favor of the document, with one relatively strong dissenter. The main point of the dissenter was that the material in this draft is not needed to provide an RBridge channel that can be used for BFD and error reporting, hence the extensions are speculative on future standardization that would make use of them. The WG neverless wants to proceed with this document. Document Quality The document has been carefully reviewed in the WG and by the document shepherd. There are no known implementations of the additional Critical Channel Alert Flag specified in this document. Personnel Erik Nordmark is the Document Shepherd. Ralph Droms is the responsible Area Director. From youvaln@marvell.com Wed Jun 27 10:07:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE6921F861C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TgP-uxH7KKF6; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galiil.marvell.com (galiil.marvell.com [199.203.130.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC1621F857D; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Youval Nachum To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:07:08 +0300 Thread-Topic: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt Thread-Index: Ac1UcxuQqWAi2X70RUSeNedNW8jZVgAFB+7w Message-ID: <29206AF176EE094F8FDEE2F29BB1674C018F09DF6695@IL-MB01.marvell.com> References: <20120627144204.21832.85832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120627144204.21832.85832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:07:19 -0000 Another update to draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:42 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: RBridge Channel Support Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Vishwas Manral Yizhou Li Sam Aldrin Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2012-06-27 Abstract: This document specifies a general channel mechanism for sending messages, such as BFD (Bidirectional Forwarding Detection) messages, between RBridges (Routing Bridges) and between RBridges and end stations in an RBridge campus through extensions to the TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From youvaln@marvell.com Wed Jun 27 10:08:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23CE11E80D7; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O+ux7GImHkr0; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galiil.marvell.com (galiil.marvell.com [199.203.130.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25D411E8073; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Youval Nachum To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" X-CallingTelephoneNumber: IPM.Note X-VoiceMessageDuration: 1 X-FaxNumberOfPages: 0 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:08:24 +0300 Thread-Topic: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt Thread-Index: Ac1Uh3xNZSf5XWxSRrKH4UIWrgFhAg== Message-ID: <29206AF176EE094F8FDEE2F29BB1674C018F09DF6696@IL-MB01.marvell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: [trill] Recall: I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-channel-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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