From d3e3e3@gmail.com Mon Oct 1 08:00:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B083611E8117 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IW-+TQqWybdc for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C791F0D0A for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oagn5 with SMTP id n5so6227424oag.31 for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2012 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=023Uv8xRCluvlxT9lBklzNKSborggX2aK5QxVki9zGk=; b=CSTbX6fs6HNFbsrlQWWFABCe6+MxfeDYkvLy0O+jAun4ccPrjE9IcwRtJbxF27ikvH m848yTjCWnUrJOyt2Rqd7WhI3eePUF1jpV8aFALdFNKs18vxIM7bRbjZbQ/tFHx7S/nP wySb+O+WWgcNJCHK9UaokMHAorvFI4MQrucc8X8x0B+Lpr5DJC11GZSQhlEk2H1Dq5Ra cnzwOK12BF2d116MsWF59OCb9o9l637slukS8a/rMnV28VN1L8NTuY9OkpJC6gXXevRT bVFvej191O00F9jzsAA05b5r6TpbBKNKhgiMICl24Fb6tbMqJPjLz56j/ZsdzIqNXS4S 9FeQ== Received: by 10.60.26.161 with SMTP id m1mr11873215oeg.34.1349103609307; Mon, 01 Oct 2012 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.135.1 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 07:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From david.i.allan@ericsson.com Mon Oct 1 16:34:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C0F1F0D1D for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YDiA-xdQ1g-2 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB271F0CC4 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q91NYEDF031996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:34:14 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.2.164]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:34:15 -0400 From: David Allan I To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:34:13 -0400 Thread-Topic: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Thread-Index: Ac2f5YDeQd5QIOq/RKGmG8xLFTAO4QARyeuA Message-ID: <60C093A41B5E45409A19D42CF7786DFD5CFD3B692A@EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:34:17 -0000 A small nit with the minutes.... The following dialog... Donald: I'm sort of speaking for Ali so he should listen and correct me if I'm wrong but I think what Ali was referring to was that he believes there are similar OAM problems in [IEEE] 802.1Qbp and it might be that similar solutions could be applied. Dave: Since the F-tag encodes the entropy in the layer I'm not aware of what problem there could be.=20 I cannot remember my exact words, but the sentiment was because Qbp encodes= entropy within the layer and TRILL does not, the problems are apples and o= ranges. TRILL OAM would need to impersonate payload, Qbp OAM would not need= to do this. What the minutes capture suggests Qbp and TRILL have more in c= ommon that I belevie to be true. If I could propose a rephrasing to improve the accuracy of the minutes: "Si= nce the Qbp F-tag encodes the entropy within the layer, TRILL OAM needs to = solve different problems than Qbp." Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= onald Eastlake Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:00 AM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Minutes of the Vancouver TRILL meeting have been posted and are available t= hrough the IETF 84 Proceedings link on the IETF home page. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com _______________= ________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From tsenevir@cisco.com Mon Oct 1 17:40:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1114011E8170 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CKdCoyt2NMES for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5090211E8162 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2121; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1349138434; x=1350348034; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=VDeg6PU2P721sJnGbKYGDiwRo2eYjOr0ng+QeD9wAt0=; b=Un6XaLRnYTXvZYsPhidRirqSemoHAh9dvQCq5Pn8suz6V5tbwrubmjBn 1oNbMW0qNbs/DwkwaJrZKG04N/aqtL5YkUIhOirZwOoIJ7x/VxdnhMTzW 4EBJq/wGXehdkPrUWe1bd/ereDS6weNXryaauOEJPsIGIlZ/RyjnnAjcI Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAKg1alCtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABCA75ZgQiCIAEBAQQBAQEPASc0FwQCAQgRBAEBCxQJByEGCxQJCAIEARIIEweHUQMPC5kkj1aHAw2JUASKPWKDJoJFYAOUFIx1gyKBaYJnghc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,520,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="127302270" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2012 00:40:32 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q920eWLD020234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:40:32 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.128]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:40:32 -0500 From: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" To: David Allan I , Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Thread-Index: AQHNn+V3EqmIFgGuekSkczwx0Rp8z5elbo2A//++g8A= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:40:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <60C093A41B5E45409A19D42CF7786DFD5CFD3B692A@EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <60C093A41B5E45409A19D42CF7786DFD5CFD3B692A@EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.122.202] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19226.000 x-tm-as-result: No--35.906200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:40:35 -0000 Is f-tag mandatory in Qbp ? -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= avid Allan I Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:34 PM To: Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted A small nit with the minutes.... The following dialog... Donald: I'm sort of speaking for Ali so he should listen and correct me if = I'm wrong but I think what Ali was referring to was that he believes there = are similar OAM problems in [IEEE] 802.1Qbp and it might be that similar so= lutions could be applied. Dave: Since the F-tag encodes the entropy in the layer I'm not aware of wha= t problem there could be.=20 I cannot remember my exact words, but the sentiment was because Qbp encodes= entropy within the layer and TRILL does not, the problems are apples and o= ranges. TRILL OAM would need to impersonate payload, Qbp OAM would not need= to do this. What the minutes capture suggests Qbp and TRILL have more in c= ommon that I belevie to be true. If I could propose a rephrasing to improve the accuracy of the minutes: "Si= nce the Qbp F-tag encodes the entropy within the layer, TRILL OAM needs to = solve different problems than Qbp." Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= onald Eastlake Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:00 AM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Minutes of the Vancouver TRILL meeting have been posted and are available t= hrough the IETF 84 Proceedings link on the IETF home page. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com _______________= ________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From david.i.allan@ericsson.com Tue Oct 2 06:26:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605DF21F86FA for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 06:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Om5HkLzz76J4 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8706421F86F8 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q92DQE7N024227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:26:29 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.2.164]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:26:26 -0400 From: David Allan I To: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" , Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:26:24 -0400 Thread-Topic: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Thread-Index: AQHNn+V3EqmIFgGuekSkczwx0Rp8z5elbo2A//++g8CAANW8oA== Message-ID: <60C093A41B5E45409A19D42CF7786DFD5CFD3B6A9F@EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se> References: <60C093A41B5E45409A19D42CF7786DFD5CFD3B692A@EUSAACMS0703.eamcs.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 13:26:33 -0000 Yes, that is my understanding. Transit bridges do not look at payload, just the F-tag, when choosing betwe= en multiple next hops. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir) [mailto:tsenevir@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:41 PM To: David Allan I; Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org Subject: RE: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Is f-tag mandatory in Qbp ? -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= avid Allan I Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:34 PM To: Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted A small nit with the minutes.... The following dialog... Donald: I'm sort of speaking for Ali so he should listen and correct me if = I'm wrong but I think what Ali was referring to was that he believes there = are similar OAM problems in [IEEE] 802.1Qbp and it might be that similar so= lutions could be applied. Dave: Since the F-tag encodes the entropy in the layer I'm not aware of wha= t problem there could be.=20 I cannot remember my exact words, but the sentiment was because Qbp encodes= entropy within the layer and TRILL does not, the problems are apples and o= ranges. TRILL OAM would need to impersonate payload, Qbp OAM would not need= to do this. What the minutes capture suggests Qbp and TRILL have more in c= ommon that I belevie to be true. If I could propose a rephrasing to improve the accuracy of the minutes: "Si= nce the Qbp F-tag encodes the entropy within the layer, TRILL OAM needs to = solve different problems than Qbp." Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= onald Eastlake Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:00 AM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Vancouver Minutes Posted Minutes of the Vancouver TRILL meeting have been posted and are available t= hrough the IETF 84 Proceedings link on the IETF home page. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com _______________= ________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Oct 2 08:02:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC9B21F8549; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8+QcP2gE1Huh; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E2121F8472; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:02:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121002150208.23003.4650.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:02:08 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:02:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links): Th= e ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) Protocol Author(s) : Hongjun Zhai Fangwei Hu Radia Perlman Donald Eastlake Filename : draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2012-10-02 Abstract: The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and link technologies. TRILL supports multi-pathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. Devices that implement the TRILL protocol are called RBridges (Routing Bridges) or TRILL Switches. The ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) protocol is a VLAN (Virtual Local Area Network) scoped way a TRILL switch can communicate VLAN-x end station addresses to other TRILL switches announcing ESADI participation for VLAN-x (normally a VLAN-x Appointed Forwarder) and running the ESADI protocol. This document updates RFC 6325, specifically the documentation of the ESADI protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-esadi There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-esadi-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Oct 2 18:12:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546CB21F84FF; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:12:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJsTvqqHtXaj; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86E721F855A; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121003011239.31892.99580.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:12:39 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib-09.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 01:12:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for RBridges (Routing Bri= dges) Author(s) : Anil Rijhsinghani Kate Zebrose Filename : draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib-09.txt Pages : 53 Date : 2012-10-02 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols. In particular it defines objects for managing an RBridge (Routing Bridge), also known as a TRILL Switch, based on the IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:34:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C35721F852B for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nkIhJrDjBmw for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F371221F8545 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so20523448iec.31 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1icpG4Adma+2LkcDRslPt+FvlTmIwZQ4WZITndyVjEI=; b=vIyamtCdIwfYoynAY3x75dxvWjqaTnf3WY2zBkEm8Jg8s+YB/ZbdYLBhX6JRC5f8tO 3botrcju6fv0Nnt2prrcb1GvviVIOUJvcEsz2Qtmm7Z31bOJzBGWtH5png1LVh/XZN8g 2KRuX1uBSZpVGkrDrhnvvw8cb1IdFOKHxrGOFYOFpQxlPVa1m9aHlw20JTHWF2HzqPch Zun9KrK4zXmx169YUBT6YWRTqqKhQJNkMgc2FmAAS15utQwIdzJ4wZY+AcvaO4HgfbQE T1sjEXSmtwhttwvLtQubsaaj/XEqEY1iUVJ5G1RVk27MsR3a4gM36zaKd1Lqj+sT17L0 l17g== Received: by 10.50.216.167 with SMTP id or7mr2604967igc.73.1349285682313; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:34:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20121002150208.23003.4650.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20121002150208.23003.4650.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:34:43 -0000 This version incorporates a couple of technical changes that were discussed on the list of which the biggest is the provision for default authentication of ESADI PDUs as described in new Section 6.3. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links): The ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) Protocol > Author(s) : Hongjun Zhai > Fangwei Hu > Radia Perlman > Donald Eastlake > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2012-10-02 > > Abstract: > The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) > protocol provides least cost pair-wise data forwarding without > configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and > link technologies. TRILL supports multi-pathing of both unicast and > multicast traffic. Devices that implement the TRILL protocol are > called RBridges (Routing Bridges) or TRILL Switches. > > The ESADI (End Station Address Distribution Information) protocol is > a VLAN (Virtual Local Area Network) scoped way a TRILL switch can > communicate VLAN-x end station addresses to other TRILL switches > announcing ESADI participation for VLAN-x (normally a VLAN-x > Appointed Forwarder) and running the ESADI protocol. This document > updates RFC 6325, specifically the documentation of the ESADI > protocol. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-esadi > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-esadi-01 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sat Oct 6 19:21:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1EE21F84D8 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.189, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfO43rtPQn2G for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0071021F84B8 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so7875724iec.31 for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:21:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=p3tHqniSMEJne/WXVeg7ScHQxzUoj4n/LMF6S2fhB2M=; b=GRxfT2psR4Ai+LJNNiZ5Hsqw4AvZFZWpK35exvzpF30Ei4VV5xTdUP4gSK2zAeHQJp ktGKrkxA5XG6xRD7RfewoB+2cufdNwJyrxcitCn7+wKaof0bKb63sMEipOW6aCu2gNGl vbGca2sWOP1ladSUjKJIgsoJ+HoqZFvZqiIYbpK+vPmrdSFHeTL7RhSyiIIqeP6DxPJa AQhn88oGaJrTPvfxIOmrQgfS2MUmTKcj7pDo6hYvamwUtZ+pMPv6dgrFagPEOfuSFzaO oI8rrmE4EzrcSvH4M0W9Wjz/ygwWMjv38bEs9MifzYwoYSDnYZlH2JxR/U6BfHB/RuX3 zhng== Received: by 10.42.97.74 with SMTP id m10mr9962597icn.42.1349576508322; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:21:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 19:21:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <125001cda3a9$a0e69940$e2b3cbc0$@olddog.co.uk> References: <20121005180149.3032.42028.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <125001cda3a9$a0e69940$e2b3cbc0$@olddog.co.uk> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] FW: I-D Action: draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 02:21:49 -0000 Since TRILL uses IS-IS, this may be of interest. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 05 October 2012 19:02 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : KARP IS-IS security gap analysis > Author(s) : Uma Chunduri > Albert Tian > Wenhu Lu > Filename : draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2012-10-05 > > Abstract: > This document analyzes the threats applicable for Intermediate system > to Intermediate system (IS-IS) routing protocol and security gaps > according to the KARP Design Guide. This document also provides > specific requirements to address the gaps with both manual and auto > key management protocols. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From windy_1@skyhighway.com Sun Oct 7 08:40:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C722B21F86F8 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9wwl9Y8aga3 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyhighway.com (skyhighway.com [63.249.82.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045DD21F86F7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Firefly.skyhighway.com (dsl-63-249-88-160.static.cruzio.com [63.249.88.160]) by skyhighway.com with ESMTP id q97FeWSm040590 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201210071540.q97FeWSm040590@skyhighway.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 08:40:48 -0700 To: trill@ietf.org From: gayle noble In-Reply-To: References: <20121005180149.3032.42028.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <125001cda3a9$a0e69940$e2b3cbc0$@olddog.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [trill] FW: I-D Action: draft-chunduri-karp-is-is-gap-analysis-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:40:33 -0000 Thank you gayle At 07:21 PM 10/6/2012, you wrote: >Since TRILL uses IS-IS, this may be of interest. >Thanks, >Donald From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sun Oct 7 10:15:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7870221F86F7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.182, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ePsAjpTYMZhr for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C857E21F86F5 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so8758768iec.31 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jnsSvVTliwayN7HmV4Zg++9i9qJxATp1ayE2SlgrVqI=; b=ic7M9ztI13lFitiQZ96aNoh3ESFgabBBwKN5zu+zybikjpAdidAJrSbSf8NyscDoBa 6oKillaUM97wSV+Nn3PgDGeJpBFJb0BxanKU3pJkporFLQL3yscAG496J9F4BnOsX6cy 58qzrNqGFtPJ4eCnd/WKajSMtLi4f2A+1UdF2oml5l/8AAMkOXGVWRFbR/PyHHU9U6CB E3ppP9gv/UYfkAX6Z6nL2ZOQxqriTCIGv7ChqeOWEFtH0ZYfhsbgOuulqfQ0V/bG/WAj 4s7lP++FXPn8SgbnRjcypXP2M1ObVmtntzf7US18yO3b7f+1458GO+40Y1rMgnhXt01w KbZw== Received: by 10.50.33.147 with SMTP id r19mr3842319igi.73.1349630156282; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:15:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] TRILL session for IETF 85 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:57 -0000 The TRILL meeting next month at the IETF meeting in Atlanta has been tentatively scheduled as follows: Tuesday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 Room Name: Salon C Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nkzouwenyu@gmail.com Mon Oct 8 05:52:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C5721F877F for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CNXwG4C6-J1f for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1E821F8783 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 56so871711yhq.31 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1BmaixxtMq3NImqdeSpV5HRS3Enfk8qC3iN++eDtPH4=; b=BB4W1oki/iyK7foIp56ZYypVCZ9jN0NlwoMTkR76Onea6JO9/9xwCVeIhEV0ypu1YR 5xuLwi10+1MSLcVM26FSSC6rXUyrFnCf/hsAxOhVcMaN1at7tqg6oId0hf0+CwicKQHx 1fxow3Fx/tdTqMgaJTuNlaS6dTavVhvh5Jtjca8J2aj/N2Te0Q9vf+4NNz87rVqGeMfr FNnRCi9Y6xcPo9VxX9IWoMwBlZlSJ806sRzpE5IbG5i6UGbHad6hSBAYHr58mFiUD+Pt 6cy51wih2cgf5tOKBZpbxF+E/S2Gv4hzhMLirf4+Ru4TVsf5+sg98BSTzO5yyjzy2aB7 QRyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.73.198 with SMTP id v46mr15982357yhd.80.1349700740551; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.157.35 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:52:20 +0800 Message-ID: From: wenyu zou To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] Query on rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:52:21 -0000 Hi Authors, I have a questions about rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib, which is indexed by rbridgeBasePort. For one port, it maybe have many Multicast Routers in different VLANs. The current structure of rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry set a limitation that there is only one Multicast Router for one port. Why don't rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry indexed by rbridgeVlanIndex like rbridgeSnoopingAddrEntry? Thanks. Regards, wenyu From d3e3e3@gmail.com Tue Oct 9 09:00:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1400911E810B for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.425 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.425 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.174, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVSE62efgOz0 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ABE11E80C5 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so5912188obq.31 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vEeklaXQi22z6mkiqk/yyP5ExIGPhGjkTGu6Bc03sg0=; b=ElGTZCdSV+HLXXNbEzOnL7Z8yWBtWVJksnHZhSljBJ4hpvPoGUPXG9Dds+YBnxqM+n WhViAGT6Q1JIUFgq5gxR22vZkm+zmJKIE6y+xX7lM+ny579SSKCFWeIewDIsWIxrQ4+2 o3s5mvc8SLI8Aubr773VhL3mHPMrcpvwwLQx2yFCffsk2NoLk8blrqNxvaG7mmWCFvss 42WO6SurpsNrOZFDc2oubEqQVstnx+eumk//2JsXrYzqJmdMxQiFmWXOhW6br7tG16SS A8JR8N6d9N/UNY7J7dbgylFFwZBpKgdkBe66sYk5fRRpzfZ3MMws6pYv56p9JNUJNFFL lkuQ== Received: by 10.60.169.38 with SMTP id ab6mr5948130oec.139.1349798452124; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.23.37 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:00:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-00 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:00:53 -0000 Here are some comments: Abstract: Text similar to the abstract should be included in the Introduction. I think the abstract should specifically mention the reduction in multi-destination frames with Directory Assistance. This is mentioned in the body of the document, but I think a few words in the abstract would be good. The description of the Push Model should be generalized a little so that it does not assume specific request messages from client RBridges. Security Considerations, I suggest the following: "Accurate mapping of IP addresses into MAC addresses is important to the correct delivery of information. The security of specific directory assisted mechanisms will be discussed in the draft or drafts specifying those mechanisms." "For general TRILL security considerations, see [RFC6325]." References: References need to be updated and some, which are not used, deleted. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From krupakaran@force10networks.com Wed Oct 10 03:17:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110E021F871C for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19QbRBWu+In2 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.force10networks.com (maa.force10networks.com [59.163.202.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E53F21F871A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-11.force10networks.com ([10.16.127.21]) by exch7-maa-fe.force10networks.com ([10.16.126.10]) with mapi; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:47:03 +0530 From: Kesava Vijay Krupakaran To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:47:02 +0530 Thread-Topic: On adopting the draft "AF Load Share using Fair Share Scheduling" Thread-Index: Ac2m0GPn6hGfBWDeTPiw1tmCOaKLGA== Message-ID: <7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B7189D@EXCH-CLUSTER-11.force10networks.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B7189DEXCHCLUSTER11_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [trill] On adopting the draft "AF Load Share using Fair Share Scheduling" X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:17:07 -0000 --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B7189DEXCHCLUSTER11_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Donald, Would it be ok to consider the draft "AF Load Share using Fair Share Schedu= ling" to be adopted as part of trill working group? http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kvk-trill-fair-share-af-load-share Thanks, kvk --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B7189DEXCHCLUSTER11_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B7189DEXCHCLUSTER11_-- From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Oct 10 19:42:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B622021F8532 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g0IePmicqABP for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB4D21F852C for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so2537471iec.31 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ddaLMk3PRPQ0DaL9pfiErwP81Zsjef8JqLzcLDDvYxI=; b=wJEd0JHXzBxOIKvn5NWomr+PBUb/ZBpCqC10XUFAzThphZdWkMLtmI7tTduKRR3D4B m/djaATSZYYK22ZrpIy10OZyp9tDbZV89yl6swL39yMcA/eLM1IIJuc3yftaxUexd3h3 +Bl6eBD6WXtv1c17fpc8haPuOmb5Bdtw8wj7MZvZSuGOJj3FZWIFuhwDHqLT6wYuw4ST dNq6QAyHvAy6EwyA7N5S193ALor7PV9rjgbS6dh4cBd8UjyaJlXag9epHfQ3wsqAoNww 6kBGw6uvgP8lm9Y4/iLC3sZWZwC20nhdAuasvgpNI8LJrVgvCV4I3RquhTqBahkN1D3l Kuqg== Received: by 10.50.236.99 with SMTP id ut3mr7286453igc.73.1349923341812; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:42:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From anil@charter.net Fri Oct 12 07:23:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E87421F84CD for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xpLg5+nhlWsy for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F8B21F849C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121012142350.HMKO12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:23:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([66.189.33.199]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id AEPo1k00S4Hn1RN05EPqFM; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:23:50 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=y6CczY8QmW8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EiiBzwjGkpP7seHRDOKx7g==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=TOklwo6KUbc6Vo4fjCQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=EiiBzwjGkpP7seHRDOKx7g==:117 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anil R In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:23:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B477636-3892-4666-AE8B-3D6BAE8A917D@charter.net> References: To: wenyu zou X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Query on rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:23:52 -0000 Hi Wenyu, The purpose of rbridgeSnoopingPortTable is only to show which RBridge = ports have at least one multicast router connected, and hence need to be = included in forwarding of multicast packets. Exactly how many multicast = routers are there on a port is not important for this table. The purpose = is not to give a list of multicast routers, but a list of ports on which = at least one multicast router has been detected. You need only one = multicast router on a port, for that port to be included in the list of = ports where IP multicast is forwarded. Hence, the value of the IP = address in this table can be any one of the routers that has been = detected on that port. This is not a IP Multicast snooping MIB, so you will not have all IP = Multicast snooping information included in this group. You will get only = the multicast snooping information relevant to the operation of a TRILL = switch/RBridge. Regards, Anil On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:52 AM, wenyu zou wrote: > Hi Authors, > I have a questions about rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in > draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib, which is indexed by rbridgeBasePort. For > one port, it maybe have many Multicast Routers in different VLANs. The > current structure of rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry set a limitation that > there is only one Multicast Router for one port. Why don't > rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry indexed by rbridgeVlanIndex like > rbridgeSnoopingAddrEntry? >=20 > Thanks. > Regards, > wenyu > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From ssalam@cisco.com Fri Oct 12 17:35:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2520821F86A4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRK79eaw7W58 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE7621F866D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=627; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1350088503; x=1351298103; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Q8y+CNnvPEXD06QQrhIPHB+LtvCjSAMVJziYz1LMgcc=; b=Y5G5+mlPXZjAcJXYBK7ftauy05rc+YZCYuvmHFrsDA0DdpYlmT/VgrxA tvrd8FtA9PuthhMicbjsmqbWXPOnNb7XyVTRQqLMOOMnm/VVluTp6yjhp yUbF7/xvgQBQEy7hfWMesA3vVDi7BD1tlFb+IYwVK3fp965HvHiXN1Wfp 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAPW1eFCtJV2d/2dsb2JhbABCA4Jugl26I4EIgiIBBAEBAQ8BJzQdAQgOFBQxBgslAgQBEggah1ADDwEKmzKWEw2JUASKbIN9gkZgA5QYjHiDIoFrgm2CFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,578,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="131187691" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2012 00:35:03 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com [173.37.183.82]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9D0Z2Ws022760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:35:02 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([173.37.183.82]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:35:02 -0500 From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHNp1oN4bpx8kL5BUa7Fg/igpou9pe2ROcA Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:35:01 +0000 Message-ID: <8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90B957A@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [161.44.210.181] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19266.000 x-tm-as-result: No--33.894900-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:35:04 -0000 Support. On 12-10-10 7:42 PM, "Donald Eastlake" wrote: >This message begins a two week TRILL Working Group Last Call on >draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt >"Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) in >TRILL" > >Thanks, >Donald >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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(and a thank you to those that put a LOT of w= ork into this)

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:= 35 PM, Samer Salam (ssalam) <ssalam@cisco.com> wrote:
Support.


On 12-10-10 7:42 PM, "Donald Eastlake" <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:

>This message begins a two week TRILL Working Group Last Call on
>draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt
>"Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM)= in
>TRILL"
>
>Thanks,
>Donald
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> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
> d3e3e3@gmail.com
>_______________________________________________
>trill mailing list
>trill@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:44:05 -0000 As a working group participant, I support this draft but suggest the following: Part 1: I suggest that a new part 1.1 be added called "Scope" and the subsequent psrts of 1.1 be renumbered accordingly. Content of 1.1 would be as follows: "The scope of this document is OAM between RBridges within a TRILL campus over links selectable by TRILL routing." Part 3: OLD: It is important to note, in practice, not all available least cost paths are available for forwarding due to limitations in implementations. NEW: It is important to note that, due to limitations in implementations, not all available least cost paths are selectable. Part 4.2.2 "to either to specific set of RBridges or" -> "to either a specifc set of RBridges or" Part 4.3: In the fourth paragraph: "any path" -> "any selectable path" Part 4.4: In the first paragraph: "a path" -> "a selectable path" Part 4.5: Second paragraph: "all TRILL OAM functions" -> "all TRILL OAM functions within the scope of this document." Part 4.5: Sixth paragraph: "header.OAM" -> "header. OAM" Part 4.6.1: First paragraph: "term" -> "the term" Part 4.6.1: Second paragraph: "Term" -> "The term" Part 4.9: Second paragraph: "flow" -> "packet" Part 5: Add "For general TRILL Security Considerations, see [RFC6325]." References: Delete unused reference entry for [RFC4377]. Delete unused reference entry for [RFC791]. Delete unused reference entry for [RFC4379]. General: Since this is a pretty high level requirements document, I think references to particular OAM technology should be minimized. Also, I think it would be good to cut back some on the number of first page authors. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > This message begins a two week TRILL Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt > "Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) in TRILL" > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com From windy_1@skyhighway.com Fri Oct 12 20:29:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A62521F86B0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xx1BDfE1hOzz for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyhighway.com (skyhighway.com [63.249.82.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C74921F8568 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Firefly.skyhighway.com (dsl-63-249-88-160.static.cruzio.com [63.249.88.160]) by skyhighway.com with ESMTP id q9D3TkXQ029587 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201210130329.q9D3TkXQ029587@skyhighway.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:30:13 -0700 To: trill@ietf.org From: gayle noble In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 03:29:49 -0000 Support and a >*bow*< to those that put in so much work on it At 07:42 PM 10/10/2012, Donald Eastlake wrote: >This message begins a two week TRILL Working Group Last Call on >draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt >"Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) in TRILL" > >Thanks, >Donald >============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >trill mailing list >trill@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sat Oct 13 08:16:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E23B21F857E for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:16:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.467 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.467 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.132, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4iJt3ezGJTb for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B7B21F852A for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o25so3144027iad.31 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ME1O3XJt1LipNWEwsLltdfOCQ3tEK+cEG2R4c4nnVIU=; b=Z3GvctWA8reCtTmc9IdG+lvt5GOhNB/z79aZ4stM0SdZqhxzoD1uvQsq/4IWGw3azE 0BAEBPPsgy+Um8jnJH8+9MlurFZU1Pj5kkYx0eGv5KJlvcrf8/8XXfjrGOUiy/2he+/C /hMNSyIPu489qUhI5IV8dlFX01JiUC1ctQ74MJm6o2HcxK/6J/Ixe3qtMNxLm/5UoYbc +Ya+vZ55LYiWLxqydUM6SchIgtNvtonZ1ct4u2Z6FF3DMc4qe5xMWKXnaqqZU4GkYGND ICjT2CsgsneBFfl22v5S48JfnGLLPXq2QjYxPwd7k3+pXG8WMg366wgK00vbfnAHN6Xh XWrw== Received: by 10.50.140.38 with SMTP id rd6mr4936296igb.0.1350141373676; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:16:14 -0000 There are my personal comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00. I suggest that after these and the few other comments have been handled, the -01 version be WG Last Called. - Some acronyms need to be spelled out on first use. - I think Figure 1 and Figure 2 are a bit muddled and should be clarified to show separate connections from each RBk to each CEn. It is also not clear to me why "DRB" occurs in the figures and I think it should be dropped. - The draft should be clear that when doing the RPFC for a multi-destination TRILL Data packet ingressed with a virtual RBridge nickname, the RPFC must assume that the TRILL Data packet might use any of the trees that any of the RBk might use. - The could be problems if a virtual RBridge nickname was taken away by a real RBridge somewhere else in the campus that is higher priority to hold a nickname. Perhaps the draft should suggest that virtual RBridge nicknames are usually configured and should be held with maximum priority with with configured or unconfigured priority ranges, as appropriate... - I think it should be possible to use the Affinity Sub-TLV to change the structure of multi-destination distribution trees in places other than at the edge. So they should be valid as long as they do not conflict even if the requested child is a real RBridge. But, of course, the requested child has to be an adjacent RBridge and the draft should say what it would mean if some RBridge lists, as a requested child for some tree, its parent in that tree. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From satya.dillikar@gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:20:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D98D1F0429 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfwZs7lL7xLP for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3E21F0423 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o25so3397005iad.31 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=M9a0EdE/iAnBhDgO72JQymRePQIYbsN0QPjAsgauSOU=; b=qklSRRfZ5Zbc19APywonPLOIG2fM9O5BI/4dHpUv7IYz2oQ+KsNeLyrpYQe+yEYcKk dSw6ja06ENX4n1A7Bt3YGD26ibJyGIqTEbjZRBox1n4iuRRM81NjlZ/Yfw/Oz6fGn+OK kx32wVzmrq+M8azzkag6fkUv7EwmxRSGqx+VbEnrdBElCD7I4WnpaxhVioD92+Q9mZcq qNiVI4f/1FuSpjOrLFwmO/CdQ/ZRFIT+1VlZ7HqF8V3RIDBgasnO4xJIh/M0IKupQb6J fUmpiLpQg2raFuIv57mhQNHM1wIZQ/BKZCI9pHJ0asRc8u93jB76I1AxHEoXD+XEZ1ZL lpgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.186.168 with SMTP id fl8mr5787934igc.29.1350184854466; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.29.242 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Satya Dillikar To: Donald Eastlake Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340893a1b1d004cbfc689b Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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--14dae9340893a1b1d004cbfc689b-- From windy_1@skyhighway.com Sat Oct 13 21:55:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1692321F8484 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.301, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_66=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zf7RlJTUnXdH for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyhighway.com (skyhighway.com [63.249.82.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15F621F8480 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Firefly.skyhighway.com (dsl-63-249-88-160.static.cruzio.com [63.249.88.160]) by skyhighway.com with ESMTP id q9E4tP9M076708 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201210140455.q9E4tP9M076708@skyhighway.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:55:54 -0700 To: trill@ietf.org From: gayle noble In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_350696752==.ALT" Subject: Re: [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 04:55:26 -0000 --=====================_350696752==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >- Some acronyms need to be spelled out on first use. >Thanks,Donald These are the acronyms I noticed. Maybe they could listed be at the start of the document ?? Appointed Forwarder (AF) Customer Edge (CE) Coordinated Multicast Trees (CMT) Intermediate System-to-Intermediate System (IS-IS) (logical) Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Link State Packet (LSP) Media Access Control (MAC) Routing Bridge (Rbridge) Reverse Path Forwarding (RPF) Shortest Path First (SPF) Type Length Value (TLV) Transparent Interconnect of Lots Of Links (TRILL) Virtual Local-Area Network (VLAN) --=====================_350696752==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
- Some acronyms need to be spelled out on first use.
Thanks,Donald
These are the acronyms I noticed. Maybe they could listed be at the start of the document ??
Appointed Forwarder (AF)
Customer Edge (CE)
Coordinated Multicast Trees (CMT)
Intermediate System-to-Intermediate System (IS-IS)
(logical) Link Aggregation Group (LAG)
Link State Packet (LSP)
Media Access Control (MAC)
Routing Bridge (Rbridge)
Reverse Path Forwarding (RPF)
Shortest Path First (SPF)
Type Length Value (TLV)
Transparent Interconnect of Lots Of Links (TRILL)
Virtual Local-Area Network (VLAN)

--=====================_350696752==.ALT-- From nkzouwenyu@gmail.com Sun Oct 14 07:20:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AF121F845E for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3f3BBSV4tC3D for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B217C21F847D for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g10so1154386ghb.31 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LivCcMCKZtL0IuciUYRVQaeR75MlCwvv/+RRhTYue7k=; b=Z2z+jDer6EOvnXlxqb5a8pFqhUJpOQDupwan3pm+ZF+G51yrj3uyeEeAN5Nn00JwP2 L+KFrg0i26i8Xs/tkoTo4ZHY4/kqV677TUx3WP1Zv9cfsaNeCu7ufQpTFw+iP73znKS5 iv1lCdz7xySqni1P4goq3G8uo2QDG3AMK2iMsTY++BCzgxJdxid33rpKumLsuRJUZg3U OvJxIHV5CIM/ux/CMKIM4Gd3wmQMryeVn2Khq/AxSZN6aHXzgEAuUI+d8tmCF9+f2liE Vx3fNIHzREX2XlpNmaCMQI/hN0htw/+xeGWe4Sg3GbGiPtWopIl60BI3AONep7N3W8Qu t0kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.78.13 with SMTP id a13mr2605272anb.13.1350224417982; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.157.35 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6B477636-3892-4666-AE8B-3D6BAE8A917D@charter.net> References: <6B477636-3892-4666-AE8B-3D6BAE8A917D@charter.net> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:20:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: wenyu zou To: Anil R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Query on rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:20:19 -0000 Hi Anil, 1. If the rbridgeSnoopingPortAddr can be any one of the routers that has been detected on that port, I think it's not useful and could be deleted from the rbridgeSnoopingPortTable. 2. Although the IP address of the routers is not important, what's about the vlan information? Is it necessary to show the vlan information of the routers? In RFC 6325, Section 4.5.3, paragraph 2, "Further pruning SHOULD be done in two cases ... Each of these cases is scoped per VLAN". So I think the rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry should be indexed by port and vlan informations. 3. rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType is InetAddressType. What's the value of rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType if there are both IPv4 and IPv6 routers on one port? In RFC 6326, Section 2.3.6, the M4 or M6 flag can be set seperately. So there is three possiblilities on one port: only IPv4 router, only IPv6 routers, both IPv4 and IPv6 routers. Thanks. Regards, wenyu 2012/10/12, Anil R : > Hi Wenyu, > > The purpose of rbridgeSnoopingPortTable is only to show which RBridge ports > have at least one multicast router connected, and hence need to be included > in forwarding of multicast packets. Exactly how many multicast routers are > there on a port is not important for this table. The purpose is not to give > a list of multicast routers, but a list of ports on which at least one > multicast router has been detected. You need only one multicast router on a > port, for that port to be included in the list of ports where IP multicast > is forwarded. Hence, the value of the IP address in this table can be any > one of the routers that has been detected on that port. > > This is not a IP Multicast snooping MIB, so you will not have all IP > Multicast snooping information included in this group. You will get only the > multicast snooping information relevant to the operation of a TRILL > switch/RBridge. > > Regards, > Anil > > On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:52 AM, wenyu zou wrote: > >> Hi Authors, >> I have a questions about rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in >> draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib, which is indexed by rbridgeBasePort. For >> one port, it maybe have many Multicast Routers in different VLANs. The >> current structure of rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry set a limitation that >> there is only one Multicast Router for one port. Why don't >> rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry indexed by rbridgeVlanIndex like >> rbridgeSnoopingAddrEntry? >> >> Thanks. >> Regards, >> wenyu >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > From liyizhou@huawei.com Sun Oct 14 18:10:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A89E21F846A for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCqzqcdVRWeQ for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498E421F853E for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AKP22280; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:10:09 +0100 Received: from SZXEML441-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.179) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:10:51 +0800 Received: from l63746 (10.138.122.33) by smtpscn.huawei.com (10.82.67.179) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:10:48 +0800 From: Yizhou Li To: "'Donald Eastlake'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:10:48 +0800 Message-ID: <042f01cdaa71$e9626ae0$bc2740a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac2nWg4nWzLMoub9Rz+6GlzqZnbxdQDF9IYg Content-Language: zh-cn X-Originating-IP: [10.138.122.33] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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(2.1283) Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Query on rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:29:27 -0000 Wenyu, > 2. Although the IP address of the routers is not important, what's > about the vlan information? Is it necessary to show the vlan > information of the routers? In RFC 6325, Section 4.5.3, paragraph 2, > "Further pruning SHOULD be done in two cases ... Each of these cases > is scoped per VLAN". So I think the rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry should be > indexed by port and vlan informations. Agree with you, adding VLAN to the index would make sense here. Thanks = for pointing it out. This will be added in the next revision. Regarding your comments 1 and 3, let me explain the reasoning behind = specifying any one of the addresses. What a TRILL switch cares about, is = knowing whether there is at least one IP multicast router behind that = port (and vlan, as you point out). If so, it forwards multicast. Now = let's say that the switch is forwarding multicast to a port/vlan where = it really shouldn't be, according to a network manager. Apparently, = there must be at least one IP multicast router there causing the = multicast stream to be forwarded. This object will give you such = information (tell you about at least one IP multicast router which is = causing that leaking of multicast). The manager could then go figure out = where it is, remove it, and then come back and see if the multicast = leaking stopped. If not, go back to step 1. This was preferred, rather = than specify a list of multicast routers, which is not a TRILL function. Regards, Anil On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:20 AM, wenyu zou wrote: > Hi Anil, > 1. If the rbridgeSnoopingPortAddr can be any one of the routers > that has been detected on that port, I think it's not useful and could > be deleted from the rbridgeSnoopingPortTable. > 2. Although the IP address of the routers is not important, what's > about the vlan information? Is it necessary to show the vlan > information of the routers? In RFC 6325, Section 4.5.3, paragraph 2, > "Further pruning SHOULD be done in two cases ... Each of these cases > is scoped per VLAN". So I think the rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry should be > indexed by port and vlan informations. > 3. rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType is InetAddressType. What's the value > of rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType if there are both IPv4 and IPv6 routers > on one port? > In RFC 6326, Section 2.3.6, the M4 or M6 flag can be set seperately. > So there is three possiblilities on one port: only IPv4 router, only > IPv6 routers, both IPv4 and IPv6 routers. >=20 > Thanks. > Regards, > wenyu >=20 >=20 > 2012/10/12, Anil R : >> Hi Wenyu, >>=20 >> The purpose of rbridgeSnoopingPortTable is only to show which RBridge = ports >> have at least one multicast router connected, and hence need to be = included >> in forwarding of multicast packets. Exactly how many multicast = routers are >> there on a port is not important for this table. The purpose is not = to give >> a list of multicast routers, but a list of ports on which at least = one >> multicast router has been detected. You need only one multicast = router on a >> port, for that port to be included in the list of ports where IP = multicast >> is forwarded. Hence, the value of the IP address in this table can be = any >> one of the routers that has been detected on that port. >>=20 >> This is not a IP Multicast snooping MIB, so you will not have all IP >> Multicast snooping information included in this group. You will get = only the >> multicast snooping information relevant to the operation of a TRILL >> switch/RBridge. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Anil >>=20 >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:52 AM, wenyu zou wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Authors, >>> I have a questions about rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in >>> draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib, which is indexed by rbridgeBasePort. = For >>> one port, it maybe have many Multicast Routers in different VLANs. = The >>> current structure of rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry set a limitation that >>> there is only one Multicast Router for one port. Why don't >>> rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry indexed by rbridgeVlanIndex like >>> rbridgeSnoopingAddrEntry? >>>=20 >>> Thanks. >>> Regards, >>> wenyu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> trill mailing list >>> trill@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >>=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nkzouwenyu@gmail.com Tue Oct 16 08:05:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E549721F89A2 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8IKlipKX2xN for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7205B21F89AB for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g10so1638268ghb.31 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JU+8XvnYisTZ1DL+q//gLsGbgBtUajUqh3mxCOrb8KY=; b=mWSYjtZ4WKREuLFcMNLWi+bPtceiXydDhqvkNrRG0LCpac+CuEq6HZgbvkcKqcn9Yr LylBoLIfwcObKmCvxNJx4dtT370zZ0dEWOlgnbP+wRJZ/V0Nr0zfwRhPuOe3oh0+GR6i hgxgk4N2yok7D+vofruV4+5TV6Tz8jGOZMauxfYSfN1HYhzzJ9oFEg2xrg2YiCBam/hu qIXB6GCiIEjVeE6ft3YS6R3jKeffZh9dtu8BpOUjA/AdjEN/rG/gprKAV/4AzMjT7yEW Ni2eMHxWydbaBrDORBPvS2WM91lS8f7LsMRgDV3zWuH9EkQTFkPaUs4pQwb8Ni7L3Vr7 cGlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.134.18 with SMTP id r18mr13900190yhi.45.1350399946721; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.157.35 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1CBF4AEF-2AD5-46B0-8DC6-B280C6322036@charter.net> References: <6B477636-3892-4666-AE8B-3D6BAE8A917D@charter.net> <1CBF4AEF-2AD5-46B0-8DC6-B280C6322036@charter.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:05:46 +0800 Message-ID: From: wenyu zou To: Anil R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Query on rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:05:50 -0000 Hi Anil, > Agree with you, adding VLAN to the index would make sense here. Thanks for > pointing it out. > This will be added in the next revision. > Thanks for your agreement. > Regarding your comments 1 and 3, let me explain the reasoning behind > specifying any one of the addresses. What a TRILL switch cares about, is > knowing whether there is at least one IP multicast router behind that port > (and vlan, as you point out). If so, it forwards multicast. Now let's say > that the switch is forwarding multicast to a port/vlan where it really > shouldn't be, according to a network manager. Apparently, there must be at > least one IP multicast router there causing the multicast stream to be > forwarded. This object will give you such information (tell you about at > least one IP multicast router which is causing that leaking of multicast). > The manager could then go figure out where it is, remove it, and then come > back and see if the multicast leaking stopped. If not, go back to step 1. > This was preferred, rather than specify a list of multicast routers, which > is not a TRILL function. There is not a TLV(or sub-TLV) including addresses of multicast routers. And the manager could work with both rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry and IP Multicast snooping MIB. With rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry, he can see the type of the routers. And with IP Multicast snooping MIB, he can see the address of routers detailly. This is my reason of comment 1. If rbridgeSnoopingPortAddr can be deleted, the problem in comment 3 is coming up. RbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType is InetAddressType, and it's value can not include the situation that both IPv4 and IPv6 routers on one port. Shall we define a new set of value for rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType? Thanks. Regards, wenyu 2012/10/16, Anil R : > Wenyu, > >> 2. Although the IP address of the routers is not important, what's >> about the vlan information? Is it necessary to show the vlan >> information of the routers? In RFC 6325, Section 4.5.3, paragraph 2, >> "Further pruning SHOULD be done in two cases ... Each of these cases >> is scoped per VLAN". So I think the rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry should be >> indexed by port and vlan informations. > > Agree with you, adding VLAN to the index would make sense here. Thanks for > pointing it out. > This will be added in the next revision. > > Regarding your comments 1 and 3, let me explain the reasoning behind > specifying any one of the addresses. What a TRILL switch cares about, is > knowing whether there is at least one IP multicast router behind that port > (and vlan, as you point out). If so, it forwards multicast. Now let's say > that the switch is forwarding multicast to a port/vlan where it really > shouldn't be, according to a network manager. Apparently, there must be at > least one IP multicast router there causing the multicast stream to be > forwarded. This object will give you such information (tell you about at > least one IP multicast router which is causing that leaking of multicast). > The manager could then go figure out where it is, remove it, and then come > back and see if the multicast leaking stopped. If not, go back to step 1. > This was preferred, rather than specify a list of multicast routers, which > is not a TRILL function. > > Regards, > Anil > > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:20 AM, wenyu zou wrote: > >> Hi Anil, >> 1. If the rbridgeSnoopingPortAddr can be any one of the routers >> that has been detected on that port, I think it's not useful and could >> be deleted from the rbridgeSnoopingPortTable. >> 2. Although the IP address of the routers is not important, what's >> about the vlan information? Is it necessary to show the vlan >> information of the routers? In RFC 6325, Section 4.5.3, paragraph 2, >> "Further pruning SHOULD be done in two cases ... Each of these cases >> is scoped per VLAN". So I think the rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry should be >> indexed by port and vlan informations. >> 3. rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType is InetAddressType. What's the value >> of rbridgeSnoopingPortAddrType if there are both IPv4 and IPv6 routers >> on one port? >> In RFC 6326, Section 2.3.6, the M4 or M6 flag can be set seperately. >> So there is three possiblilities on one port: only IPv4 router, only >> IPv6 routers, both IPv4 and IPv6 routers. >> >> Thanks. >> Regards, >> wenyu >> >> >> 2012/10/12, Anil R : >>> Hi Wenyu, >>> >>> The purpose of rbridgeSnoopingPortTable is only to show which RBridge >>> ports >>> have at least one multicast router connected, and hence need to be >>> included >>> in forwarding of multicast packets. Exactly how many multicast routers >>> are >>> there on a port is not important for this table. The purpose is not to >>> give >>> a list of multicast routers, but a list of ports on which at least one >>> multicast router has been detected. You need only one multicast router on >>> a >>> port, for that port to be included in the list of ports where IP >>> multicast >>> is forwarded. Hence, the value of the IP address in this table can be >>> any >>> one of the routers that has been detected on that port. >>> >>> This is not a IP Multicast snooping MIB, so you will not have all IP >>> Multicast snooping information included in this group. You will get only >>> the >>> multicast snooping information relevant to the operation of a TRILL >>> switch/RBridge. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Anil >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:52 AM, wenyu zou wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Authors, >>>> I have a questions about rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry in >>>> draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-mib, which is indexed by rbridgeBasePort. For >>>> one port, it maybe have many Multicast Routers in different VLANs. The >>>> current structure of rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry set a limitation that >>>> there is only one Multicast Router for one port. Why don't >>>> rbridgeSnoopingPortEntry indexed by rbridgeVlanIndex like >>>> rbridgeSnoopingAddrEntry? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Regards, >>>> wenyu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> trill mailing list >>>> trill@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > From d3e3e3@gmail.com Tue Oct 16 11:24:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8422721F8838 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ey1i0hPY9cTD for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE4621F8832 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o25so5545469iad.31 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Aq/jY2asxvfFrZlQn+wq0zGf2DY6AQDuWxDZNziNg5o=; b=wgO6xRtoD9xfCBT5YIaeh6Kl8xJ/i0prJMpOGTUr95CKqr5OPsZu6gCnVbcIB6RX2K QS8xpoBE24ooKMoksh4eW3ZD2wbd5+YcmEOJn2MkOY69NVcZkO1P7fTDpnB1qhto4tUZ PH0vPcJb5KxTyVIrZnEX8zpKR4Jm5CAXaXF8W/WqkNDF+ZUlvpg7fHVQQkzVF8Nw51RT VlPyXbQROapdIjJ+05ISswEn1b+rkNea+k5ZIYTLKRM8SGB6otvB6LXtUWTRKo91OI6B VppbE1/4EJyDcl0hBKULa8F/LeLvhO8+yuglxNJw6OmkscNRNTZlECh2qdsMAhD65xXm vg1A== Received: by 10.50.33.147 with SMTP id r19mr12985925igi.73.1350411878512; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.86.113 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20121015173834.29498.68586.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20121015173834.29498.68586.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] Fwd: [Isis-wg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-rfc6326bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:24:40 -0000 The rfc6326bis draft, updating TRILL Use of IS-IS, is now an ISIS Working Group draft. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM Subject: [Isis-wg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-rfc6326bis-00.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IS-IS for IP Internets Working Group of the IETF. Title : Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links (TRILL) Use of IS-IS Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Tissa Senevirathne Anoop Ghanwani Dinesh Dutt Ayan Banerjee Filename : draft-ietf-isis-rfc6326bis-00.txt Pages : 49 Date : 2012-10-12 Abstract: The IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol provides optimal pair-wise data frame forwarding without configuration in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topology and link technology, and support for multipathing of both unicast and multicast traffic. This document specifies the data formats and code points for the IS-IS extensions to support TRILL. These data formats and code points may also be used by technologies other than TRILL. This document obsoletes RFC 6326. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-rfc6326bis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-rfc6326bis-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list Isis-wg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Oct 17 20:23:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2580421F845B for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.109, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGVjodSU+qqj for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B33E21F8455 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so14869949iec.31 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0jItp9ZZkN3JAu2/CNQ32NE31GMCaeCatAja1uDk07s=; b=ycguE04o9bf9M6aNTuKgYYQYKt7aFkrBEQGfx2/xxiXSzjiFx39SBgJKwRk7MudWP4 yx6UB6jF8eRrkov9JM/N0+NUj+5LhGHxxrPsohwDeAcSkHjUyLmgNoqYxLyOKBte/qr6 MCBRfV0mQf4LjzECSnhn0cTjgqtYrT78Qodw+rxBUt031BvsY6cf2mKfnhU6CVMoba90 pwcEKdI9YqQGkob1rvIzp8YWVvRVnJrv5sSLSgmPi1g8CDjd4eQamKizn4BNsbv0adWy 7OGaGw1LJCpa05Rq72IyqrGSMwoCiOw27osmlMtcKwjT/n8ZkyS82tUOSYmeZasFPV34 AUMg== Received: by 10.50.236.99 with SMTP id ut3mr3532362igc.73.1350530612353; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.134 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 03:23:33 -0000 Hi, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mme-trill-fcoe/ was briefly presented to the TRILL WG at the Quebec City IETF-81 meeting. I'll paste an extract from the minutes at the end of this email. There have been three references to this draft on the TRILL WG mailing list (before this message), none of which produced any response: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01473.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01489.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01643.html The draft is being processed by the RFC Independent Submissions Editor and is awaiting a determination by the IESG as to whether the draft does or does not conflict with ongoing work in the IETF such as that of the TRILL WG. Based on the current state of the IESG ballt (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-mme-trill-fcoe/ballot/), I request further WG discussion of whether or not this draft should be a TRILL WG draft and whether or not it conflicts with work in the TRILL WG. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com Extract from Minutes of TRILL WG at IETF-81: FCoE over TRILL, David Melman (Marvell), Tal Mizrahi (Marvell) draft-mme-trill-fcoe-00.txt (very limited time because earlier presentations and discussion ran over) Tal Mizrahi (Marvell): This draft is intended for informational. ... selected slides ... Anoop Ghanwani: Are you changing the TRILL header hop-by-hop. Donald: The frame is being TRILL encapsulated and decapsulated at each hop. Anoop: So the TRILL Header isn't doing anything. The whole path is computed by FCSP. If you are running both control planes, why have the TRILL Header at all. Tal: There is a slide on that: not all RBridges are FCRBs. In that case, you still want the TRILL clouds to do optimal routing. Puneet Agarwal (Broadcom): I don't see what this does other than state the obvious. FCoE is running over TRILL. Why do you need a draft for that? Tal: We are just showing how they work together. Puneet: So, should I do a draft on IP routing over TRILL? Donald: It is a little different because you would normally have the routers at the edge but here you have the Fiber Channel devices distributed throughout the TRILL cloud with a savings in cabling and cabinetry. If the FC is external to the TRILL cloud, then typically you have to transit the TRILL cloud twice. So, it is a way of doing it. If you think this draft has no value, so be it. If the WG thinks that way, then it shouldn't be a working group draft. Puneet: OK. I don't think it should be a working group draft. Donald: Well, we are out of time. Thanks everyone and see you in Taiwan. From d3e3e3@gmail.com Wed Oct 17 20:41:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C061921F8522 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.817, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_QUOTING=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgEdM0upwzkH for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E678921F851E for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so14889130iec.31 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gcWWRgMsfvzrVoub2mupO1Lr1wNFPyjqlzRpuNlWK7k=; b=FiE7ZqyThljHsz7v/gr6BGbuC0+ifXlGNjv/BI/2YrBib/rmkT8bqhIbUPGxoYr0U2 ADhWHcLXzMAxE9QVNnK8zbDL0uDn1j65Mj36kXwbItVMkUBmWI3YCvXJSMMvMH7MSV1D 4pMA2HkwSvfzkuwZGzyRJ9NVe3/OCULnqiJw6l72EXnUaVkUxuAexZbEkpsmJplRIsop rCs8fzUBa4nPldW6E8GX2YXbf69Tndu29ykJxwIm0qeetu3X9iBu9SMeL7m9GtBZBUNe F0TvyBygDEuPxyFPy5U2y6yWO/e3960v2EHk8iooOraa3RcqMZVpR1ZgGLoFudIr2fgy MUKg== Received: by 10.50.219.229 with SMTP id pr5mr3611356igc.59.1350531695969; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.134 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:41:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 03:41:37 -0000 Hi, On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM, wrote: > > Hi Donald=A3=AC > > > - The draft should be clear that when doing the RPFC for a > > multi-destination TRILL Data packet ingressed with a virtual RBridge > > nickname, the RPFC must assume that the TRILL Data packet might use > > any of the trees that any of the RBk might use. > > Do you mean that RBn ignores the egress nickname in a received > multi-destinaion TRILL data packet with a virtual RBridge nickname > when it does RPFC for that packet in that case? Or if I am wrong, > please give a clearer explanation on that sentence by using an example. One way to look at the RPFC is that at each RBridge port there is a table of pairs of acceptable { ingress nickname, tree } where tree is the egress nickname in a multi-destination TRILL Data packet. Say RB1 is not going to use all of the distribution trees being computed for a campus. Then RB1 can optionally list the tress it is going to use. This will reduce the amount of RPFC state at all the other RBridges in the campus because instead of having an entry for some port for ingress RB1 paired with every tree it only needs entries for ingress RB1 paired with the trees RB1 says it might use. Say a virtual RBridge RBv is in use as in the CMT draft. Then the edge group RBridges, when converting a frame off the link to a TRILL Data packet, will use RBv as the ingress nickname. Say you have 8 trees being calculated for a campus and three edge group RBridges each using two different trees. So the edge group RBridges all together only use 6 different trees. Then you need RPFC entries at every other RBridge for ingress RBv and those 6 tree. You don't need entries for RBv and 8 tree, which wastes RPFC state. And if you only have entries for RBv and less than 6 trees, some TRILL Data packets will be improperly discarded due to the RPFC. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Best Regards, > Zhai Hongjun > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > Protocol Development Dept.VI, Central R&D Institute, ZTE Corporation > No. 68, Zijinghua Road, Yuhuatai District, Nanjing, P.R.China, 210012 > > Zhai Hongjun > > Tel: +86-25-52877345 > Email: zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > Donald Eastlake > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: trill-bounces@ietf.org > > 2012-10-13 23:15 > > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB > trill@ietf.org > =B3=AD=CB=CD > =D6=F7=CC=E2 > [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 > > > > > > There are my personal comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00. I suggest > that after these and the few other comments have been handled, the -01 > version be WG Last Called. > > - Some acronyms need to be spelled out on first use. > > - I think Figure 1 and Figure 2 are a bit muddled and should be > clarified to show separate connections from each RBk to each CEn. It > is also not clear to me why "DRB" occurs in the figures and I think it > should be dropped. > > - The draft should be clear that when doing the RPFC for a > multi-destination TRILL Data packet ingressed with a virtual RBridge > nickname, the RPFC must assume that the TRILL Data packet might use > any of the trees that any of the RBk might use. > > - The could be problems if a virtual RBridge nickname was taken away > by a real RBridge somewhere else in the campus that is higher priority > to hold a nickname. Perhaps the draft should suggest that virtual > RBridge nicknames are usually configured and should be held with > maximum priority with with configured or unconfigured priority ranges, > as appropriate... > > - I think it should be possible to use the Affinity Sub-TLV to change > the structure of multi-destination distribution trees in places other > than at the edge. So they should be valid as long as they do not > conflict even if the requested child is a real RBridge. But, of > course, the requested child has to be an adjacent RBridge and the > draft should say what it would mean if some RBridge lists, as a > requested child for some tree, its parent in that tree. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > From zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn Thu Oct 18 05:00:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D9621F85C2; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -92.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-92.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_QUOTING=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrNbqYJDrks8; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [95.130.199.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CF021F85AC; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zte.com.cn (unknown [192.168.168.119]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTP id 1492E3188C; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:00:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from mse02.zte.com.cn (unknown [10.30.3.21]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id ED41372741D; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:57:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id q9IC0meo061431; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:00:48 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: To: Donald Eastlake MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 3B1A103A:83CDDC34-48257A9B:00401761; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.6 March 06, 2007 Message-ID: From: zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:00:29 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.3FP1 HF212|May 23, 2012) at 2012-10-18 20:00:31, Serialize complete at 2012-10-18 20:00:31 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00421A8448257A9B_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn q9IC0meo061431 Cc: trill-bounces@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogUmU6ICBDb21tZW50cyBvbiBkcmFmdC1pZXRm?= =?gb2312?b?LXRyaWxsLWNtdC0wMA==?= X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:34:20 -0000 Hi Hongun, On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:00 AM, wrote: > > Hi Donald, > > Thanks for your explanation. > > > Then you need RPFC entries at every other RBridge > > for ingress RBv and those 6 tree. You don't need entries for RBv and 8 > > tree, which wastes RPFC state. > > I agree you on this point. > > > And if you only have entries for RBv and less than 6 trees, some TRILL > > Data packets will be improperly discarded due to the RPFC. > > I think you are right. Now my question is whether or not there are 6 > acceptable RPFC entries for RBv at each RBridge port at a given other > RBridge, each entry for RBv and each of those 6 trees. In my mind, > no same acceptable RPFC entries for an ingress RBridge (neither a physica= l > RBridge nor RBv) are permitted existing at different ports at one given > RBridge. Right. If you view the information at a port as just a table of the allowed combinations of ingress nickname and tree at that port, then there are six entries for RBv and the trees. But these six entries could be one each at six different ports or all at one port or anything in between depending on the topology and tree structures. Most likely, if you have many ports on a TRILL switch, most of them would have no RPFC entries for RBv ingress in this case. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Best Regards, > Zhai Hongjun > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > Protocol Development Dept.VI, Central R&D Institute, ZTE Corporation > No. 68, Zijinghua Road, Yuhuatai District, Nanjing, P.R.China, 210012 > > Zhai Hongjun > > Tel: +86-25-52877345 > Email: zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > Donald Eastlake > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: trill-bounces@ietf.org > > 2012-10-18 11:41 > > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB > zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn > =B3=AD=CB=CD > trill@ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2 > Re: [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 > > > > > > Hi, > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM, wrote: > > > > Hi Donald=A3=AC > > > > > - The draft should be clear that when doing the RPFC for a > > > multi-destination TRILL Data packet ingressed with a virtual RBridge > > > nickname, the RPFC must assume that the TRILL Data packet might use > > > any of the trees that any of the RBk might use. > > > > Do you mean that RBn ignores the egress nickname in a received > > multi-destinaion TRILL data packet with a virtual RBridge nickname > > when it does RPFC for that packet in that case? Or if I am wrong, > > please give a clearer explanation on that sentence by using an example. > > One way to look at the RPFC is that at each RBridge port there is a > table of pairs of acceptable { ingress nickname, tree } where tree is > the egress nickname in a multi-destination TRILL Data packet. Say RB1 > is not going to use all of the distribution trees being computed for a > campus. Then RB1 can optionally list the tress it is going to use. > This will reduce the amount of RPFC state at all the other RBridges in > the campus because instead of having an entry for some port for > ingress RB1 paired with every tree it only needs entries for ingress > RB1 paired with the trees RB1 says it might use. > > Say a virtual RBridge RBv is in use as in the CMT draft. Then the edge > group RBridges, when converting a frame off the link to a TRILL Data > packet, will use RBv as the ingress nickname. Say you have 8 trees > being calculated for a campus and three edge group RBridges each using > two different trees. So the edge group RBridges all together only use > 6 different trees. Then you need RPFC entries at every other RBridge > for ingress RBv and those 6 tree. You don't need entries for RBv and 8 > tree, which wastes RPFC state. And if you only have entries for RBv > and less than 6 trees, some TRILL Data packets will be improperly > discarded due to the RPFC. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > Best Regards, > > Zhai Hongjun > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > Protocol Development Dept.VI, Central R&D Institute, ZTE Corporation > > No. 68, Zijinghua Road, Yuhuatai District, Nanjing, P.R.China, 210012 > > > > Zhai Hongjun > > > > Tel: +86-25-52877345 > > Email: zhai.hongjun@zte.com.cn > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > > > > > > > Donald Eastlake > > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: trill-bounces@ietf.org > > > > 2012-10-13 23:15 > > > > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB > > trill@ietf.org > > =B3=AD=CB=CD > > =D6=F7=CC=E2 > > [trill] Comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00 > > > > > > > > > > > > There are my personal comments on draft-ietf-trill-cmt-00. I suggest > > that after these and the few other comments have been handled, the -01 > > version be WG Last Called. > > > > - Some acronyms need to be spelled out on first use. > > > > - I think Figure 1 and Figure 2 are a bit muddled and should be > > clarified to show separate connections from each RBk to each CEn. It > > is also not clear to me why "DRB" occurs in the figures and I think it > > should be dropped. > > > > - The draft should be clear that when doing the RPFC for a > > multi-destination TRILL Data packet ingressed with a virtual RBridge > > nickname, the RPFC must assume that the TRILL Data packet might use > > any of the trees that any of the RBk might use. > > > > - The could be problems if a virtual RBridge nickname was taken away > > by a real RBridge somewhere else in the campus that is higher priority > > to hold a nickname. Perhaps the draft should suggest that virtual > > RBridge nicknames are usually configured and should be held with > > maximum priority with with configured or unconfigured priority ranges, > > as appropriate... > > > > - I think it should be possible to use the Affinity Sub-TLV to change > > the structure of multi-destination distribution trees in places other > > than at the edge. So they should be valid as long as they do not > > conflict even if the requested child is a real RBridge. But, of > > course, the requested child has to be an adjacent RBridge and the > > draft should say what it would mean if some RBridge lists, as a > > requested child for some tree, its parent in that tree. > > > > Thanks, > > Donald > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > trill mailing list > > trill@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > From ghanwani@gmail.com Thu Oct 18 16:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236B21F8510 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uRghBJZ4VdHN for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1825921F8232 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fc26so10583667vbb.31 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=D4OwYMhmgzmDtA6Ap82B6pLcV2/HGuHGozPkZ+0q7Vc=; b=H7AfThMT8peKx0sRaSyG/Bkc7fY3xL1H/xxJoY0mHZs1KbPh2Am07Ml13mFN39iRib puIHTDSFA1UUTH1P6q07fKcNBB75GR0Baf22+Ltclz6qWXbFyGa3wBd2lNwMGrwXdMlq J7RMrSKgNzd6537Dl4NN4NIAw5gtfGh2d5apKAdeoXZxkoXuh/AW/aTuN2P+xvlzRLgq m4NmypSjQPZ39Jub+iHHE+6KtOFcu3oRUvlUtT78FSvPzm+M0sIazQo9eDHOg2s7SEDt YuP+LEKFNVpeu2kPcX3PqYUeTHcn+3bv2HNQWEmdgPoVeSl/UAT64tvycnM2LcHZpbzJ hxjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.205.200 with SMTP id fr8mr7901785vcb.34.1350604566151; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ghanwani@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.176.198 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:56:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZYPK9oKNdirzYAGKiJM1DwAedPo Message-ID: From: Anoop Ghanwani To: Donald Eastlake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:56:07 -0000 While I don't see any value in having this as a working group document, I don't have any objections to have it published as an individual submission. Anoop On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi, > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mme-trill-fcoe/ was briefly > presented to the TRILL WG at the Quebec City IETF-81 meeting. I'll > paste an extract from the minutes at the end of this email. > > There have been three references to this draft on the TRILL WG mailing > list (before this message), none of which produced any response: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01473.html > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01489.html > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01643.html > > The draft is being processed by the RFC Independent Submissions Editor > and is awaiting a determination by the IESG as to whether the draft > does or does not conflict with ongoing work in the IETF such as that > of the TRILL WG. Based on the current state of the IESG ballt > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-mme-trill-fcoe/ballot/), > I request further WG discussion of whether or not this draft should be > a TRILL WG draft and whether or not it conflicts with work in the > TRILL WG. > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > Extract from Minutes of TRILL WG at IETF-81: > > FCoE over TRILL, David Melman (Marvell), Tal Mizrahi (Marvell) > draft-mme-trill-fcoe-00.txt > > (very limited time because earlier presentations and discussion ran > over) > > Tal Mizrahi (Marvell): This draft is intended for > informational. ... selected slides ... > > Anoop Ghanwani: Are you changing the TRILL header hop-by-hop. > > Donald: The frame is being TRILL encapsulated and decapsulated at each > hop. > > Anoop: So the TRILL Header isn't doing anything. The whole path is > computed by FCSP. If you are running both control planes, why have the > TRILL Header at all. > > Tal: There is a slide on that: not all RBridges are FCRBs. In that > case, you still want the TRILL clouds to do optimal routing. > > Puneet Agarwal (Broadcom): I don't see what this does other than state > the obvious. FCoE is running over TRILL. Why do you need a draft for > that? > > Tal: We are just showing how they work together. > > Puneet: So, should I do a draft on IP routing over TRILL? > > Donald: It is a little different because you would normally have the > routers at the edge but here you have the Fiber Channel devices > distributed throughout the TRILL cloud with a savings in cabling and > cabinetry. If the FC is external to the TRILL cloud, then typically > you have to transit the TRILL cloud twice. So, it is a way of doing > it. If you think this draft has no value, so be it. If the WG thinks > that way, then it shouldn't be a working group draft. > > Puneet: OK. I don't think it should be a working group draft. > > Donald: Well, we are out of time. Thanks everyone and see you in > Taiwan. > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From jon.hudson@gmail.com Thu Oct 18 22:10:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E873D21F86C0 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.803 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.803 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yX8Edm2+vZwk for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B6421F8667 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ro8so154761pbb.31 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=O5XLDlIF0/MFMlTxQXoMGMxo5vgxRUr3Lmvc39phk+A=; b=NI8E1G8GJocN5ZKJq5IFDjr32e3x/ydI03T1v04BVj1omr8N7TiJekNqyyYhSrPyOF AtwvxQTWn3mWwzjKs7j6OMAQmFSHwRzvjBJTwxFUU4bD4htioq8r9u7S3y4QS1opOR7p ZatC1IYKYghgsOrkadvCEQBQ4RhPeeuEhDCqn59/xXIX8F3fuiaoABQwqBHawZjIzr8H DBi2VXRqPcFEAoqDC5chrYP8htGAwkWNiZDF8x0Zj+DwHoKya9sNkUWwn2aiOhm+2ifM yjwyrDGtbjlnTFjCKgZAz8AKDbjXWR2oM6A+Fs0ixo2UPHgtRSHtpTKCQvgQZCt+HE5l kbJA== Received: by 10.66.81.199 with SMTP id c7mr545870pay.19.1350623449925; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.11] (c-98-234-218-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.218.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gl9sm638600pbc.51.2012.10.18.22.10.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:49 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <0049BA43-56CF-442D-AA6D-CED40CC4261A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A405) From: Jon Hudson Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:10:47 -0700 To: "trill@ietf.org" Cc: Donald Eastlake , Anoop Ghanwani Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 05:10:51 -0000 I agree. I reviewed this draft. It has no material impact and requires no changes in or by the TRILL or FCoE= standards. We have _plenty_ todo in TRILL and really need to stay focused. And while this is by no means meant to insult the authors, this is a harmles= s informational draft that stands on its own as it is.=20 I do not support making this a WG group document.=20 It should be simply published as an individual submission. Jon On Oct 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Anoop Ghanwani wrote: > While I don't see any value in having this as a > working group document, I don't have any objections > to have it published as an individual submission. >=20 > Anoop >=20 > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:= >> Hi, >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mme-trill-fcoe/ was briefly >> presented to the TRILL WG at the Quebec City IETF-81 meeting. I'll >> paste an extract from the minutes at the end of this email. >>=20 >> There have been three references to this draft on the TRILL WG mailing >> list (before this message), none of which produced any response: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01473.html >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01489.html >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01643.html >>=20 >> The draft is being processed by the RFC Independent Submissions Editor >> and is awaiting a determination by the IESG as to whether the draft >> does or does not conflict with ongoing work in the IETF such as that >> of the TRILL WG. Based on the current state of the IESG ballt >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-mme-trill-fcoe/ballot/)= , >> I request further WG discussion of whether or not this draft should be >> a TRILL WG draft and whether or not it conflicts with work in the >> TRILL WG. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Donald >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) >> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA >> d3e3e3@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> Extract from Minutes of TRILL WG at IETF-81: >>=20 >> FCoE over TRILL, David Melman (Marvell), Tal Mizrahi (Marvell) >> draft-mme-trill-fcoe-00.txt >>=20 >> (very limited time because earlier presentations and discussion ran >> over) >>=20 >> Tal Mizrahi (Marvell): This draft is intended for >> informational. ... selected slides ... >>=20 >> Anoop Ghanwani: Are you changing the TRILL header hop-by-hop. >>=20 >> Donald: The frame is being TRILL encapsulated and decapsulated at each >> hop. >>=20 >> Anoop: So the TRILL Header isn't doing anything. The whole path is >> computed by FCSP. If you are running both control planes, why have the >> TRILL Header at all. >>=20 >> Tal: There is a slide on that: not all RBridges are FCRBs. In that >> case, you still want the TRILL clouds to do optimal routing. >>=20 >> Puneet Agarwal (Broadcom): I don't see what this does other than state >> the obvious. FCoE is running over TRILL. Why do you need a draft for >> that? >>=20 >> Tal: We are just showing how they work together. >>=20 >> Puneet: So, should I do a draft on IP routing over TRILL? >>=20 >> Donald: It is a little different because you would normally have the >> routers at the edge but here you have the Fiber Channel devices >> distributed throughout the TRILL cloud with a savings in cabling and >> cabinetry. If the FC is external to the TRILL cloud, then typically >> you have to transit the TRILL cloud twice. So, it is a way of doing >> it. If you think this draft has no value, so be it. If the WG thinks >> that way, then it shouldn't be a working group draft. >>=20 >> Puneet: OK. I don't think it should be a working group draft. >>=20 >> Donald: Well, we are out of time. Thanks everyone and see you in >> Taiwan. >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From krupakaran@force10networks.com Fri Oct 19 02:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B5A21F8689 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QD9q2hKlH8mu for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.force10networks.com (maa.force10networks.com [59.163.202.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6260C21F8600 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-11.force10networks.com ([10.16.127.21]) by exch7-maa-fe.force10networks.com ([10.16.126.10]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:48:49 +0530 From: Kesava Vijay Krupakaran To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:48:48 +0530 Thread-Topic: Presentation of AF Fair Share Scheduling draft Thread-Index: Ac2t2r7+oV9cY6u9QYmrHPIy5I6PsA== Message-ID: <7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B721A1@EXCH-CLUSTER-11.force10networks.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B721A1EXCHCLUSTER11_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Janardhanan Pathangi Narasimhan , Anoop Ghanwani Subject: [trill] Presentation of AF Fair Share Scheduling draft X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:18:52 -0000 --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B721A1EXCHCLUSTER11_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Donald, Could you allocate a slot at the IETF conference for Anoop to present the '= Fair Share AF Load Share' draft on our behalf? We won't be able to make it = to the conference. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kvk-trill-fair-share-af-load-share Thanks, kvk --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B721A1EXCHCLUSTER11_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Donald,<= /o:p>

 

Cou= ld you allocate a slot at the IETF conference for Anoop to present the R= 16;Fair Share AF Load Share’ draft on our behalf? We won’t be a= ble to make it to the conference.

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http://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-kvk-trill-fair-share-af-load-share

 

Thanks,

kvk

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= --_000_7A144FF78830994FAB72065E652E9C7F6518B721A1EXCHCLUSTER11_-- From ssalam@cisco.com Fri Oct 19 11:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C80B21F87DD for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDoVsh2SaF-V for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73F21F869C for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:39:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1775; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1350671946; x=1351881546; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=P6DzXI9RLMe/dgw7aKJiGZpEia1CGs1+c4nYp6ElfyE=; b=Wl6kjL27D51ksbu3UeCCl8+Dm2D/KlvSiQUxpLNqDi6LS26VYN276VYU /RwBY8yrU3IGsTTkI0UJK5fhdym7X4hqaLX9ZCJHx6HZXTVSCTEzQTC7x 0yxFDOB8JRzW3tPnk2c04aSIXTWmaqhep2m66MRkD7p0oKIzAoQgHQzxW 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4FAIudgVCtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABFgkojgmCyRwGIXYEIgiIBBBIBZhIBDAEdVicEDg0ah2IBCpwMoCCRaWADlwaNNoFrgm+CGA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,615,1344211200"; d="scan'208,217";a="133535875" Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Oct 2012 18:39:06 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9JId6Et016909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:39:06 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:39:05 -0500 From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Updated TRILL OAM Framework draft Posted Thread-Index: AQHNrikEcYv8756QnEW4T0OxgbQawg== Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:39:05 +0000 Message-ID: <8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90BFAD2@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [161.44.210.181] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19284.002 x-tm-as-result: No--21.157400-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90BFAD2xmbalnx13ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Tissa Senevirathne \(tsenevir\)" , Donald Eastlake , Sam Aldrin Subject: [trill] Updated TRILL OAM Framework draft Posted X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:39:07 -0000 --_000_8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90BFAD2xmbalnx13ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We have just posted an updated version of the TRILL OAM framework draft at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 Your review and comments are appreciated. Regards, Samer --_000_8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90BFAD2xmbalnx13ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We have just posted an up= dated version of the TRILL OAM framework draft at:

Your review and comments = are appreciated.

Regards,
Samer
--_000_8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90BFAD2xmbalnx13ciscocom_-- From pthaler@broadcom.com Fri Oct 19 16:59:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BEC21F8984 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CnUg7w+OTMDG for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B0121F88A5 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.224] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.5)); Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:57:58 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 06151B78-6688-425E-9DE2-57CB27892261 Received: from SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.9) by SJEXCHHUB01.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.247.2; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:59:04 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:59:04 -0700 From: "Pat Thaler" To: "Jon Hudson" , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission Thread-Index: AQHNrikQ3GOQLOjWAEeFrT2Onz2UOZfBRDmw Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:59:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0049BA43-56CF-442D-AA6D-CED40CC4261A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0049BA43-56CF-442D-AA6D-CED40CC4261A@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 7C9F368C4148892047-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Donald Eastlake , Anoop Ghanwani Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:59:20 -0000 The draft seems to have only partly implemented the comments from INCITS T1= 1.=20 Terminology usage that is inconsistent with FC-BB-5 FCoE definitions. As de= fined in FC-BB-5, the FCF includes any Ethernet Switching Elements that are= packaged with the FC Switching Element. FCoE. Therefore, the box labeled F= CF in Figure 2 is not an FCF, it is an FC Switching Element plus its underl= ying FC layer 2 virtual ports and FCoE link end points. The FCF in that pic= ture is the whole FCRB. There seems to have been some attempt at a change to respond to the comment= on Figures 4 and 5 but it still implies that hop by hop forwarding from FC= F to FCF is likely. In fact, each FCF will attempt to initiate Inter-Switch= Links (ISLs) with each FCF that it sees. Therefore, there will be an ISL b= etween ToR 1 and ToR 2 unless there are some management constraints applied= such that ToR 1 only sees EoR and can not send directly to ToR 2. Therefor= e, the more likely forwarding for the packet described in 3.2.3.1 is that t= he FCF in ToR 1 addresses the packet to the FCF in ToR 2 and the packet flo= ws through the RBridge in the EoR but not through the FCF in EoR. Similarly= in 3.2.3.2, the likely FCF path is from ToR to Core bypassing the FCF in t= he EoR. Given the choice of 2 hops or 1 hop (from the Fibre Channel view of= hops), FSPF is generally going to choose 1 hop.=20 It is theoretically possible to put in constraints so that the extra FCF ho= p is taken, but it isn't clear that there is any reason to do so and the dr= aft doesn't describe doing that so in describing the path, the draft should= describe the more likely path. The words in the last paragraph of 3.1 were rearranged, but it still says a= bout the same thing. The comment that the paragraph should be toned down h= asn't been addressed by that change.=20 Even as an individual draft, the corrections should be made, especially ter= minology consistency and describing the more likely path for a packet. Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hudson [mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:11 PM To: trill@ietf.org Cc: Donald Eastlake; Anoop Ghanwani Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission I agree. I reviewed this draft. It has no material impact and requires no changes in or by the TRILL or FCo= E standards. We have _plenty_ todo in TRILL and really need to stay focused. And while this is by no means meant to insult the authors, this is a harmle= ss informational draft that stands on its own as it is.=20 I do not support making this a WG group document.=20 It should be simply published as an individual submission. Jon On Oct 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Anoop Ghanwani wrote: > While I don't see any value in having this as a > working group document, I don't have any objections > to have it published as an individual submission. >=20 > Anoop >=20 > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote= : >> Hi, >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mme-trill-fcoe/ was briefly >> presented to the TRILL WG at the Quebec City IETF-81 meeting. I'll >> paste an extract from the minutes at the end of this email. >>=20 >> There have been three references to this draft on the TRILL WG mailing >> list (before this message), none of which produced any response: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01473.html >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01489.html >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01643.html >>=20 >> The draft is being processed by the RFC Independent Submissions Editor >> and is awaiting a determination by the IESG as to whether the draft >> does or does not conflict with ongoing work in the IETF such as that >> of the TRILL WG. Based on the current state of the IESG ballt >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-mme-trill-fcoe/ballot/= ), >> I request further WG discussion of whether or not this draft should be >> a TRILL WG draft and whether or not it conflicts with work in the >> TRILL WG. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Donald >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) >> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA >> d3e3e3@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> Extract from Minutes of TRILL WG at IETF-81: >>=20 >> FCoE over TRILL, David Melman (Marvell), Tal Mizrahi (Marvell) >> draft-mme-trill-fcoe-00.txt >>=20 >> (very limited time because earlier presentations and discussion ran >> over) >>=20 >> Tal Mizrahi (Marvell): This draft is intended for >> informational. ... selected slides ... >>=20 >> Anoop Ghanwani: Are you changing the TRILL header hop-by-hop. >>=20 >> Donald: The frame is being TRILL encapsulated and decapsulated at each >> hop. >>=20 >> Anoop: So the TRILL Header isn't doing anything. The whole path is >> computed by FCSP. If you are running both control planes, why have the >> TRILL Header at all. >>=20 >> Tal: There is a slide on that: not all RBridges are FCRBs. In that >> case, you still want the TRILL clouds to do optimal routing. >>=20 >> Puneet Agarwal (Broadcom): I don't see what this does other than state >> the obvious. FCoE is running over TRILL. Why do you need a draft for >> that? >>=20 >> Tal: We are just showing how they work together. >>=20 >> Puneet: So, should I do a draft on IP routing over TRILL? >>=20 >> Donald: It is a little different because you would normally have the >> routers at the edge but here you have the Fiber Channel devices >> distributed throughout the TRILL cloud with a savings in cabling and >> cabinetry. If the FC is external to the TRILL cloud, then typically >> you have to transit the TRILL cloud twice. So, it is a way of doing >> it. If you think this draft has no value, so be it. If the WG thinks >> that way, then it shouldn't be a working group draft. >>=20 >> Puneet: OK. I don't think it should be a working group draft. >>=20 >> Donald: Well, we are out of time. Thanks everyone and see you in >> Taiwan. >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sat Oct 20 08:29:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D3021F84E8; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lgiK+nZRjdVS; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072EA21F848A; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:29:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121020152925.17486.32945.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:29:25 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:29:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintena= nce (OAM) in TRILL Author(s) : Tissa Senevirathne David Bond Sam Aldrin Yizhou Li Rohit Watve Filename : draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-10-20 Abstract: OAM (Operations, Administration and Maintenance) is a general term used to identify functions and toolsets to troubleshoot and monitor networks. This document presents, OAM Requirements applicable to TRILL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-oam-req There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From tsenevir@cisco.com Sat Oct 20 08:34:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF5021F846F; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h3QUi5GYUSFp; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAF021F8457; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1874; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1350747260; x=1351956860; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=N1N3MGK0UmqYSRz62hbiD+IbWfuRyAPJW48Pati5rCs=; b=Z5BLxcPkiIxjYFaIYdG2VsdiIEtCbz2Z7Vnp5ccRrg42bahCnzhhHoCg xACW0syYDz0Kvqn7T/0slgBH8RMtgJ11F/jNodhYjh6WC0KJuEpJBBZty sGO7/jDqGp5EMSHU3H1Gxkmwr/fUqjqtQ/yutG+LBczR8cdg98Zqq8ZZq I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EALjDglCtJV2b/2dsb2JhbAA6CsEMgQiCIAEBAQQBAQEPASc0CwwGARkEAQELFAkuCxQJCQEEAQ0FCAEZh2ILm0OfQYtfEIV/YAOXCI03gWuCb4IY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,622,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="133483860" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2012 15:34:20 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9KFYLRr017323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:34:21 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.234]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:34:20 -0500 From: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: OAM Requirement draft - draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt Thread-Index: Ac2u2FxmhMFZkSybT9mZpi4ZUeE6Eg== Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:34:20 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.65.194] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19290.004 x-tm-as-result: No--32.255700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: [trill] OAM Requirement draft - draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:34:22 -0000 Dear All -02 of the OAM requirement draft is now available. Please take a moment to = review and comment. The changes from -01 to -02 are minor and mostly editor= ial. Thanks Tissa -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:29 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintena= nce (OAM) in TRILL Author(s) : Tissa Senevirathne David Bond Sam Aldrin Yizhou Li Rohit Watve Filename : draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-10-20 Abstract: OAM (Operations, Administration and Maintenance) is a general term used to identify functions and toolsets to troubleshoot and monitor networks. This document presents, OAM Requirements applicable to TRILL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-oam-req There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sun Oct 21 11:02:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED1B21F8911 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.358 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.358 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.242, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5KU2fB-IM1d for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCD121F8B5C for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so3201778iec.31 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mBA8WAUjCg9YQIrUS1aJQJoVinFdDDpGLy+Fu6+V8qc=; b=uWmZxpobK6dUGCQHiJTD+lAi5b6gWbDri0TrYhOCTCjCCNB3VsgUR//xmkIjcXtPx/ uei+gSuCGxLk57Dcu45jmJZcdofpCd+5zDV0ysaBUHG6ox/WUoU4jCYyjHR4fsHsMCVX tBpD91MtK+Um9NGZXbliynKdZniM2fG6iWJbthw64ZgA2DyyOMB3hsIkXkm/X7zyqI44 fpq3TreeA/E4I93WmHojyHwdxO+xI/OwCETfUZs1vl9kX8Px1eO52ffKNj0LEbxFWA05 ggCpjoHZI3wtf/fNJsWk+eS66wGnKT5ImeowBZI6D5yAvwpQMQ8lYRNgMb0Wh/3f8oEJ k1SA== Received: by 10.50.0.193 with SMTP id 1mr7142046igg.0.1350842571273; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.134 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0049BA43-56CF-442D-AA6D-CED40CC4261A@gmail.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:02:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: Pat Thaler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:02:52 -0000 Hi Pat, Thanks for these comments; not to discount the comments, but it seems to me that they would be better addressed to the authors and the Independent Submissions RFC Editor. Your comments seems to primarily relate to FCoE and FF-BB-5 which, in my opinion, are not particularly in the ambit of the TRILL WG. (This is not an individual draft, submitted with AD sponsorship for publication in the IETF stream, but rather an independent draft submitted for publication in the independent stream.) In any case, I believe the principle authors of the draft are on the TRILL WG mailing list and have seen your message. Given that, as far as I can tell, the TRILL WG is supremely uninterested in this draft, I suspect the draft's principle authors will reply to you in due course off list. The questions for the TRILL WG are (1) does the TRILL WG want this to be a WG draft and (2) would the publication of this draft as an independent submission conflict with the work of the TRILL WG... Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Pat Thaler wrote: > The draft seems to have only partly implemented the comments from INCITS = T11. > > Terminology usage that is inconsistent with FC-BB-5 FCoE definitions. As = defined in FC-BB-5, the FCF includes any Ethernet Switching Elements that a= re packaged with the FC Switching Element. FCoE. Therefore, the box labeled= FCF in Figure 2 is not an FCF, it is an FC Switching Element plus its unde= rlying FC layer 2 virtual ports and FCoE link end points. The FCF in that p= icture is the whole FCRB. > > There seems to have been some attempt at a change to respond to the comme= nt on Figures 4 and 5 but it still implies that hop by hop forwarding from = FCF to FCF is likely. In fact, each FCF will attempt to initiate Inter-Swit= ch Links (ISLs) with each FCF that it sees. Therefore, there will be an ISL= between ToR 1 and ToR 2 unless there are some management constraints appli= ed such that ToR 1 only sees EoR and can not send directly to ToR 2. Theref= ore, the more likely forwarding for the packet described in 3.2.3.1 is that= the FCF in ToR 1 addresses the packet to the FCF in ToR 2 and the packet f= lows through the RBridge in the EoR but not through the FCF in EoR. Similar= ly in 3.2.3.2, the likely FCF path is from ToR to Core bypassing the FCF in= the EoR. Given the choice of 2 hops or 1 hop (from the Fibre Channel view = of hops), FSPF is generally going to choose 1 hop. > > It is theoretically possible to put in constraints so that the extra FCF = hop is taken, but it isn't clear that there is any reason to do so and the = draft doesn't describe doing that so in describing the path, the draft shou= ld describe the more likely path. > > The words in the last paragraph of 3.1 were rearranged, but it still says= about the same thing. The comment that the paragraph should be toned down= hasn't been addressed by that change. > > Even as an individual draft, the corrections should be made, especially t= erminology consistency and describing the more likely path for a packet. > > Regards, > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Hudson [mailto:jon.hudson@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:11 PM > To: trill@ietf.org > Cc: Donald Eastlake; Anoop Ghanwani > Subject: Re: [trill] draft-mme-trill-fcoe as an independent submission > > I agree. > > I reviewed this draft. > > It has no material impact and requires no changes in or by the TRILL or F= CoE standards. > > We have _plenty_ todo in TRILL and really need to stay focused. > > And while this is by no means meant to insult the authors, this is a harm= less informational draft that stands on its own as it is. > > I do not support making this a WG group document. > > It should be simply published as an individual submission. > > Jon > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Anoop Ghanwani wrote= : > >> While I don't see any value in having this as a >> working group document, I don't have any objections >> to have it published as an individual submission. >> >> Anoop >> >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrot= e: >>> Hi, >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mme-trill-fcoe/ was briefly >>> presented to the TRILL WG at the Quebec City IETF-81 meeting. I'll >>> paste an extract from the minutes at the end of this email. >>> >>> There have been three references to this draft on the TRILL WG mailing >>> list (before this message), none of which produced any response: >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01473.html >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01489.html >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg01643.html >>> >>> The draft is being processed by the RFC Independent Submissions Editor >>> and is awaiting a determination by the IESG as to whether the draft >>> does or does not conflict with ongoing work in the IETF such as that >>> of the TRILL WG. Based on the current state of the IESG ballt >>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-mme-trill-fcoe/ballot= /), >>> I request further WG discussion of whether or not this draft should be >>> a TRILL WG draft and whether or not it conflicts with work in the >>> TRILL WG. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Donald >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) >>> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA >>> d3e3e3@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> Extract from Minutes of TRILL WG at IETF-81: >>> >>> FCoE over TRILL, David Melman (Marvell), Tal Mizrahi (Marvell) >>> draft-mme-trill-fcoe-00.txt >>> >>> (very limited time because earlier presentations and discussion ran >>> over) >>> >>> Tal Mizrahi (Marvell): This draft is intended for >>> informational. ... selected slides ... >>> >>> Anoop Ghanwani: Are you changing the TRILL header hop-by-hop. >>> >>> Donald: The frame is being TRILL encapsulated and decapsulated at each >>> hop. >>> >>> Anoop: So the TRILL Header isn't doing anything. The whole path is >>> computed by FCSP. If you are running both control planes, why have the >>> TRILL Header at all. >>> >>> Tal: There is a slide on that: not all RBridges are FCRBs. In that >>> case, you still want the TRILL clouds to do optimal routing. >>> >>> Puneet Agarwal (Broadcom): I don't see what this does other than state >>> the obvious. FCoE is running over TRILL. Why do you need a draft for >>> that? >>> >>> Tal: We are just showing how they work together. >>> >>> Puneet: So, should I do a draft on IP routing over TRILL? >>> >>> Donald: It is a little different because you would normally have the >>> routers at the edge but here you have the Fiber Channel devices >>> distributed throughout the TRILL cloud with a savings in cabling and >>> cabinetry. If the FC is external to the TRILL cloud, then typically >>> you have to transit the TRILL cloud twice. So, it is a way of doing >>> it. If you think this draft has no value, so be it. If the WG thinks >>> that way, then it shouldn't be a working group draft. >>> >>> Puneet: OK. I don't think it should be a working group draft. >>> >>> Donald: Well, we are out of time. Thanks everyone and see you in >>> Taiwan. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> trill mailing list >>> trill@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 02:07:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3B121F8CD0; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sym03iLUd6QK; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C4E21F8CCC; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022090714.11637.61078.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:07:14 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:07:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Li= nks Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL: Fine-Grained Labeling Author(s) : Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Puneet Agarwal Radia Perlman Dinesh G. Dutt Filename : draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2012-10-22 Abstract: The IETF has standardized TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots of Links), a protocol for least cost transparent frame routing in multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and link technologies, using link-state routing and encapsulation with a hop count. The TRILL base protocol standard supports labeling of TRILL data with up to 4K IDs. However, there are applications that require more fine- grained labeling of data. This document updates RFC 6325 and 6327 by specifying extensions to the TRILL base protocol to safely accomplish this. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From d3e3e3@gmail.com Mon Oct 22 03:01:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5F521F851F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.363 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.236, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3tcD9LRDfFA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F58121F8B64 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so3944726iec.31 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=iZwEUPED5IarQyXHXyrw/gdH7Qj2u7PuV6c+bYHt9hM=; b=M8MZN/xgUdRf/KK2oQ/7zOYroJHJyU2ypQiEodDtCVo9NZuPsgQ8t89Y2XHUweydCl pOjcbq0zSHPZ/FI628yQsuUXM/ubu8YtbZmOWdSkzyrX+oq/RH2KAq2ydXNje5d0SJkD EmYmACcq6sc7V61YJFPM/EG2/L0rMtp7AuQZ3+LE/XQ0cocvTj7i9NiZCgBcq5XOAYqL xoqNZ1AZxMMMOmItvDfuACV0fCy3l8Vv+252+jxBKvq4MEWlDJUXwKo3356iF6xSDoD1 fdUTAb+rNbnvYVjTbPEY4hMxYrMiYvY7YSO1ThA5BY6lyq6FrLv5wy5oNIYJwAFaxrSR 8uyA== Received: by 10.50.219.229 with SMTP id pr5mr8592148igc.59.1350900100201; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.134 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:01:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20121022090714.11637.61078.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20121022090714.11637.61078.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:01:41 -0000 I have updated the draft based on the feedback I received. My plan is to discuss these changes at the TRILL WG meeting in Atlanta. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:07 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL: Fine-Grained Labeling > Author(s) : Donald Eastlake > Mingui Zhang > Puneet Agarwal > Radia Perlman > Dinesh G. Dutt > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2012-10-22 > > Abstract: > The IETF has standardized TRILL (TRansparent Interconnection of Lots > of Links), a protocol for least cost transparent frame routing in > multi-hop networks with arbitrary topologies and link technologies, > using link-state routing and encapsulation with a hop count. > > The TRILL base protocol standard supports labeling of TRILL data with > up to 4K IDs. However, there are applications that require more fine- > grained labeling of data. This document updates RFC 6325 and 6327 by > specifying extensions to the TRILL base protocol to safely accomplish > this. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling-02 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 08:59:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA2B21F88AF; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PNP69wWBZOdH; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FAA21F85E2; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022155910.15328.20051.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:59:10 -0700 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:59:11 -0000 --NextPart A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links Working Group of the IETF. Title : TRILL Edge Directory Assistance Framework Author(s) : L. Dunbar, et al Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework Pages : 14 Date : Oct. 22, 2012 Edge RBridges currently learn the mapping between MAC addresses and their egress RBridges by observing the data packets traversed through. When an ingress RBridge receives a data frame with its destination address (MAC&VLAN) unknown, the data frame is flooded within the VLAN across the TRILL campus. When there are more than one RBridge ports connected to one bridged LAN, only one of them can be designated as the Appointed Forwarder port for forwarding/receiving native traffic to/from each VLAN, the other RBridge ports on that LAN have to be disabled for native traffic in that VLAN. This draft describes the framework for using directory services to assist edge RBridges by reducing multi-destination frames, particularly unknown unicast frames flooding, and ARP/ND, improving TRILL network scalability in environment, such as data centers. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2012-10-22085910.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From liyizhou@huawei.com Mon Oct 22 17:58:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23521F0C51 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c43OMc8ABKcu for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788211F0C5F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AKV72603; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:58:07 +0100 Received: from SZXEML424-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.163) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:58:12 +0800 Received: from l63746 (10.138.122.33) by smtpscn.huawei.com (10.82.67.163) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:58:09 +0800 From: Yizhou Li To: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:58:09 +0800 Message-ID: <01c201cdb0b9$7845a180$68d0e480$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac2wGYB9hWtN5OqXQlyz4g2Dn5uS+QAn32Aw Content-Language: zh-cn X-Originating-IP: [10.138.122.33] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [trill] FW: New Version Notification for draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:58:15 -0000 Hi, We have posted an updated version of STP topology change awareness by = RBridge draft. It incorporated the comments from last meeting. Your review and feedback are appreciated. Yizhou -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:53 PM To: liyizhou@huawei.com Cc: anoop@duke.alumni.duke.edu; haoweiguo@huawei.com; = naveen@broadcom.com Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Yizhou Li and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness Revision: 01 Title: Aware Spanning Tree Topology Change on RBridges Creation date: 2012-10-21 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 14 URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01.tx= t Status: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01 Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-yizhou-trill-tc-awareness-01 Abstract: When a local LAN running spanning tree protocol connecting to TRILL campus via more than one RBridge, there are several ways to perform loop avoidance. One of them illustrated by RFC6325 [RFC6325] A.3 was to make relevant ports on edge RBridges involving in spanning tree calculation. When edge RBridges are emulated as a single highest priority root, the local bridged LAN will be naturally partitioned after running spanning tree protocol. This approach achieves better link utilization and intra-VLAN load balancing in some scenarios. This document describes how the edge RBridges react to topology change occurring in bridged LAN in order to make the abovementioned spanning tree approach function correct. = =20 The IETF Secretariat From zhangmingui@huawei.com Mon Oct 22 18:18:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404A51F0C71 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Ihx7qfWrdUk for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BC21F0429 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALX35766; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:18:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:18:35 +0100 Received: from SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:18:40 +0100 Received: from SZXEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.239]) by szxeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:18:34 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-zhang-trill-resilient-trees-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHNsDUDpNvu6ZQM5kezZGXK8y9ApZfGFVEw Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7320114D3@SZXEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.185] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [trill] FW: New Version Notification for draft-zhang-trill-resilient-trees-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:09:17 -0000 Hi Everyone,=20 This draft has been updated based on the comments we have received from 84t= h IETF meeting and the TRILL list. Your comments and suggestion are appreci= ated.=20 Thanks, Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:59 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-01.txt >=20 > A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : TRILL Edge Directory Assistance Framework > Author(s) : L. Dunbar, et al > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework > Pages : 14 > Date : Oct. 22, 2012 >=20 > Edge RBridges currently learn the mapping between MAC addresses and > their egress RBridges by observing the data packets traversed > through. When an ingress RBridge receives a data frame with its > destination address (MAC&VLAN) unknown, the data frame is > flooded > within the VLAN across the TRILL campus. When there are more than > one RBridge ports connected to one bridged LAN, only one of them can > be designated as the Appointed Forwarder port for > forwarding/receiving native traffic to/from each VLAN, the other > RBridge ports on that LAN have to be disabled for native traffic in > that VLAN. >=20 > This draft describes the framework for using directory services to > assist edge RBridges by reducing multi-destination frames, > particularly unknown unicast frames flooding, and ARP/ND, improving > TRILL network scalability in environment, such as data centers. >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-directory- > framework-01.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:35:59 -0000 Hi, The TRILL WG Last Call on the TRILL OAM Requirements document ended yesterday with a consensus for draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-02.txt. It will be forwarded to the IESG for publication. 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Thu Oct 25 16:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03FA21F88D1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.206, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id av1grqVvsoHg for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CA321F88CF for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AKY28946; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:28:54 +0100 Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:29:07 +0100 Received: from DFWEML505-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.100]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:29:03 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHNswPh9doVwwZPL0GZMYby3gt1a5fKqvnA Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:29:03 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64508FDDB@dfweml505-mbx> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.135.235] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [trill] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nordmark@acm.org Fri Oct 26 02:53:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14221F84F3 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.490, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wWuJVwQN7LNx for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB1E21F84ED for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.122.168] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9Q9rojD028773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:53:50 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "trill@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:53:55 -0000 Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his OAM presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking into account comments. Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG document in the next week or so. 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[93.159.145.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm1674282eem.3.2012.10.26.03.02.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:02:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <971DEBCB-0B04-46C4-A76A-A971C4D7F72F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A403) From: Sam Aldrin Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:02:29 -0700 To: Erik Nordmark Cc: "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:02:32 -0000 Support (as a co-author) -sam Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: >=20 > Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his OAM= presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking into ac= count comments. >=20 > Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG docume= nt in the next week or so. >=20 > Thanks, > Erik and Donald > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From jon.hudson@gmail.com Fri Oct 26 04:09:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFC821F853C for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.936 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.936 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.267, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W7-JDzcXClSb for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64E021F853B for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ro8so2685353pbb.31 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:09:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=yPkHi6rmpIqfd/yCZ4u8IY140zRyIpTNxe8K2+m1xrY=; b=XgxVzIrUgdUxPcQF1ZCOdSALB61Fz6DPDL+2bLuB8osNk9kILXQrLznhR1PbLhP9nF mMGpe5ryTeP8dawZPD7E9cqxaopbcL33mSiNxLen4jD/D+5xVbekIoTsPF9E2+5IMe8Q e6eyczuqUh7P35gi6KmMnZ6MZmohzkMVmCP73RwO81Tv1K55TLGOW0bASKFV+YXGtoKL 2vc1Cj2D3hxvdZT89KGWsKZESx7bLnci2w54hY4zSGYcZ0LQnM2ajBHVp1QWIz92/Gms mP7QyykQ7A2K/De6h4iBDkGfEvURJaX9KGmwFi8+R+BmC4qVZYMqXueHmUD3tqB7qz3t VFNw== Received: by 10.66.84.36 with SMTP id v4mr10371832pay.37.1351249740455; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-98-234-218-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Sam Aldrin wrote: > Support (as a co-author) >=20 > -sam >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his OA= M presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking into a= ccount comments. >>=20 >> Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG docum= ent in the next week or so. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Erik and Donald >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From windy_1@skyhighway.com Fri Oct 26 07:20:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B2B21F856B for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.644, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gNekxPvmt8so for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyhighway.com (skyhighway.com [63.249.82.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781E521F853F for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Firefly.skyhighway.com (dsl-63-249-88-160.static.cruzio.com [63.249.88.160]) by skyhighway.com with ESMTP id q9QEKDuK078414 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201210261420.q9QEKDuK078414@skyhighway.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:20:08 -0700 To: "trill@ietf.org" From: gayle noble In-Reply-To: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> References: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? 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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:47:13 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12102615-5806-0000-0000-00001B114E67 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Consensus Call: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:47:32 -0000 Sorry to chime in late, but I did another careful review of this document. At a high-level, I think it's mostly ready to go. I did find a few things (below) that I think need addressing. While they could be handled during the IETF LC, it might be better to just respin the document first. I also note that Don Eastlake had a number of comments that don't seem to have been picked up in the revised version. (I noted some of the same editorial issues.) The one concern I have is whether this document has gotten enough and the right kind of review. 4 of the 7 "support" (5 of 8 counting mine!) come from the main contributers of the document. I'd feel better if this document got more reviews from those who haven't been closely involved in the work. Also, given our desire to coordinate with the IEEE 802.1 on OAM, shouldn't we act to get some reviews from that side before saying "we're done" and sending it to the IESG? Specific comments below. Thomas 2012-10-26 rereview (WGLC) of -02 terminologies defined in other OAM standards such as [8021ag], [RFC5860]. This document does not attempt to redefine the terms and insert "and" between references. or unspecified. Unspecified means that messages used for connectivity verification take whatever that path the RBs happen to select. s/that path/path/ OAM frames, utilized for connectivity verification, continuity checks, performance measurements, etc., will by default take whatever the path TRILL chooses based on the current topology and s/the path/path/ RBridges MUST have the ability to identify OAM frames destined for them or which require processing by the OAM plane from normal data frames. Don't understand the implications of this. What does this requirement actually mean? TRILL OAM frames MUST NOT be forwarded out as native frames on end station service enabled ports. what is an "end station service enabled port"? Where is this defined? Maybe reword to something like: TRILL OAM frames MUST remain within a TRILL campus and MUST NOT be egressed from a TRILL network as native frames. OAM MUST have ability to include all Ethernet traffic types carried by TRILL, including both IP and non-IP traffic. something better? From an arbitrary RBridge RB1, OAM MUST have the ability to verify connectivity to any other RBridge RB2 for a specific flow via the path associated with the specified flow Missing "." OAM MUST have the ability to verify connectivity, from an arbitrary RBridge RB1, to either to a specific set of RBridges or all member RBridges, for a specified multicast tree and for a specified flow. s/to either to/to either/ OAM SHOULD NOT require extensions to the TRILL header. OAM MAY be required to provide the ability to specify a desired response mode for a specific OAM message. The desired response mode can be either in-band, out-of band or none. The above is a bit ironic, as the thinking as of Vancouver was to make use of a bit in the extension header. Take it out? In this document, term loss of a packet is used as defined in [RFC2680] (see Section 2.4 of RFC2680). s/term/the term/ NOTE: The term simulated flow below indicates a flow that is generated by an RBRidge RB1 for OAM purposes. The fields of the simulated flow may or may not be identical to the actual data. However, simulated flow is required to follow the intended path. This might be better moved to the terminology section (it's in 4.6.1) Also, better wording: The term simulated flow refers to a sequence of OAM-generated packets designed to follow a specific path. The fields of the packets in the simulated flow may or may not be identical to the fields of data packets of an actual flow being simulated. However, the purpose of the simulated flow is to have OAM packets of the simulated flow follow a specific intended path. from 4.6.2: Two-way delay is also referred to as Round Trip Delay is defined s/Delay/Delay and/ Also: Two-way delay is also referred to as Round Trip Delay is defined similar to [RFC2681]; i.e. the time elapsed from the start of transmission of the first bit of a packet by an RBridge until the reception of the last bit of the packet by the same RBridge. This isn't quite right. The text "reception of the last bit of the packet" is ambiguious. I.e., for "ping", RTT involves a request and response packet, i.e., the response packet is not the same as the request packet. RFC 2681 (cited) also notes that distinction. I.e, the above seems to imply that RTT involves the exact same packet being returned to the sender, which we can't do in general with TRILL. Better: Two-way delay is also referred to as Round Trip Delay and is defined similar to [RFC2681]; i.e. the time elapsed from the start of transmission of the first bit of a packet from RB1, receipt of the packet at RB2, RB2 immediately sending a packet back to RB1, and RB1 receiving of the last bit of that packet. >From 4.6.2: OAM SHOULD provide functions to measure two-way delay between two RBridges for a specified flow over a specific section. How can this be implemented? Flows (by definition) are unidirectional. I.e., given an end-to-end flow, the entropy fields in one direction will be different than those in the opposite direction (e.g., the src/dst addresses will be swapped for starters). This means that we can set the flow for the direction from RB1 to RB2, but what flow should be used for the return path? 4.10. Defect Indications This entire section has sentence that start off "OAM implementations that provide Defect Indication", which implies to me that everything in is section is optional. Is that really the case? Also, this section talks about "Implementations". This docuemnt shouldn't be saying what implementations should/should not do, but should be talking about what facilities OAM needs to provide. I don't have any obvious rewording suggestions, but do not think the current wording is what we want. Any suggestions? OAM implementations that provide Defect Indication MUST provide methods to selectively enable or disable Defect Detection per defect type. OAM implementations that provide Defect Indication MUST provide methods to configure Defect Detection thresholds per different types of defects. I'm wondering why the above are MUSTs. SHOULD seems more appropriate, especially since "OAM implementations that provide" already implies the requirement is optional. 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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:14:20 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12102616-5806-0000-0000-00001B11AE98 Subject: Re: [trill] Consensus Call: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:14:38 -0000 Thomas Narten writes: > I also note that Don Eastlake had a number of comments that don't seem > to have been picked up in the revised version. (I noted some of the > same editorial issues.) Let me clarify. Most were addressed, But there were a couple of NITs that apparently got missed, including ones I ran across in the revised version. The substantive ones were addressed. 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Sat, 27 Oct 2012 04:31:40 -0700 From: "Naveen Nimmu" To: "Jon Hudson" , "Sam Aldrin" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNs1/Xf8XUXnvC20GQX9h18G7Qi5fL0J2AgAASkoCAASNEcA== Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:31:39 +0000 Message-ID: <8FCD488658FD4040A3A2279ABA0AD4831BCF60F1@SJEXCHMB06.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <508A5DAE.1050801@acm.org> <971DEBCB-0B04-46C4-A76A-A971C4D7F72F@gmail.com> <6347EBE9-9CE2-4CD5-BA13-1477BACC07FD@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6347EBE9-9CE2-4CD5-BA13-1477BACC07FD@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 7C951A6741412542073-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:32:29 -0000 support -----Original Message----- From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of J= on Hudson Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:39 PM To: Sam Aldrin Cc: Erik Nordmark; trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as = a WG document? Support! On Oct 26, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Sam Aldrin wrote: > Support (as a co-author) >=20 > -sam >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his O= AM presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking into= account comments. >>=20 >> Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG docu= ment in the next week or so. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Erik and Donald >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From sajassi@cisco.com Sat Oct 27 12:07:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342C621F8555 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xbaVpnCGuvKK for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CAA21F8553 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=780; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1351364834; x=1352574434; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=lnB/+lWchG2a1X96NQejgEUKk00KyaEHRJFx7/M7M04=; b=FjZknRgV6zgwSoVEZeCz0A2uzNPHnU9jdBcPbZSON7NKBWr0vf1CtOu3 RDpA3u4OWfUFT7q/QSWCOnDGFZMECLi+Y3Esh3qnzcV1LPouvk3remgv8 vHt7DZ4TI5YvpQqREz+bONd7WQfqw25AD44tmK7nPspLcNnn/iy5htioT g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYFANAvjFCtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABEgm2CZL0MgQiCHgEBAQQBAQEPASc0FwYBCBEEAQELCwkJLgsUCQgCBBMIGodkAQqaZYEsn0AEi3WDLYJPYQOkS4Frgm+CGQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,662,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="136039591" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2012 19:07:14 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9RJ7Doj031674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:07:13 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:07:13 -0500 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNtHZF9ej0sebSl0SKpCKJl0HxZg== Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:07:12 +0000 Message-ID: <69670F7146898C4583F56DA9AD32F77B0D789C3E@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E73201343D@SZXEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.1.120420 x-originating-ip: [10.21.69.185] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19314.001 x-tm-as-result: No--34.709500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4F445B72C2BD844C8FCDC7A3A60A099E@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:07:15 -0000 Support. -Ali >>-----Original Message----- >>From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>Of Erik >>Nordmark >>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:54 PM >>To: trill@ietf.org >>Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a >>WG >>document? >> >> >>Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his >>OAM presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking >>into account comments. >> >>Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG >>document in the next week or so. >> >>Thanks, >> Erik and Donald >>_______________________________________________ >>trill mailing list >>trill@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From ramkumar@cisco.com Sat Oct 27 15:38:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDF021F8498 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28kjP5yHWcI4 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A790621F8493 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:38:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1075; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1351377515; x=1352587115; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=dYZVnxPP9dTbt7PoAUWY2bjvBZtocjBPGkJ2Rb8Xp+w=; b=A8kPh7Wj2VVx0n9nx+tHGJGcQKK+N3o4TIOEXXC0EpLcotH59qGbOEe2 L8SDlcufcAS5h9tZQASU53BD2W2qxSbm2mPpj7YjW3mHrU+REJMZNA7TV KXb48sfgCVxwixoa97KsSJSaiT/NYybxA2zz5LdY/AkGXSfzr9Och3AaW 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAMxhjFCtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABEhVG9DYEIgh4BAQEDAQEBAQ8BJzQQCwIBCBgKCwkQJwslAgQBEggah14FAQucFp8qBIt1gy2CT2EDpEuBa4Jvghk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,662,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="136056968" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2012 22:38:35 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9RMcZPJ008178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Oct 2012 22:38:35 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.5.107]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:38:34 -0500 From: "Ramkumar Parameswaran (ramkumar)" To: Erik Nordmark , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 22:38:36 -0000 Support=0A= =0A= > On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote:=0A= >=0A= >>=0A= >> Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his O= AM presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking into= account comments.=0A= >>=0A= >> Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG docu= ment in the next week or so.=0A= >>=0A= >> Thanks,=0A= >> Erik and Donald=0A= >> _______________________________________________=0A= >> trill mailing list=0A= >> trill@ietf.org=0A= >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > trill mailing list=0A= > trill@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill=0A= _______________________________________________=0A= trill mailing list=0A= trill@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill=0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= trill mailing list=0A= trill@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill=0A= From varshah@cisco.com Sun Oct 28 20:37:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AFA21F8549 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:37:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5adVukFYxYm2 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B43021F84F6 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:37:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=918; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1351481845; x=1352691445; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Hvp6TYndAFk8KlR8hKcSkDVJ2R8IcOVCnNn8Xoj5qNU=; b=MS4NYcBXip1wgnr5beTnFzd+lTdUSk8JceJXTs2pE7YmUdRRBSMJHLJ5 g+ueMAxoBlXC71pO/jf6WFPASoYdULSf3VHF+QZXYx+H7gz6XFaHpNfY4 NT4k2a711SuUB2iPAFnQdx/IyAUiGJCYmPazMh0SjC2s1t1yNDR+e0CLr g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0FAG35jVCtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABEhVG9D4EIgh4BAQEEAQEBDwEnNBcGAQgRBAEBCwsJCS4LFAkIAgQBEggah2QLm3yfIwSLdYMtgk9hA6RLgWuCb4IZ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,668,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="133300353" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2012 03:37:24 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com [173.36.12.76]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9T3bO8c023827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:37:24 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x05.cisco.com ([169.254.11.251]) by xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com ([173.36.12.76]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:37:24 -0500 From: "Varun Shah (varshah)" To: Mingui Zhang , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? Thread-Index: AQHNtYa0LFGUY0/eKEaK9kSQvK8gDA== Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:37:23 +0000 Message-ID: <0831F18DB89AF14A93F9EEDCB1BE93A712C498@xmb-aln-x05.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E73201343D@SZXEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.4.120824 x-originating-ip: [10.21.75.142] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19314.001 x-tm-as-result: No--36.931700-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <17D1775A146A4A49BB9E6BCEFB4C7996@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a WG document? X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:37:26 -0000 I support making it a WG document. Thanks, -Varun On 10/26/12 5:32 PM, "Mingui Zhang" wrote: >Support. > >-- >Mingui > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: trill-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>Of Erik >>Nordmark >>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:54 PM >>To: trill@ietf.org >>Subject: [trill] Should we adopt draft-salam-trill-oam-framework-03 as a >>WG >>document? >> >> >>Tissa presented an overview of what is in this document as part of his >>OAM presentation in Vancouver, and the document has been revised taking >>into account comments. >> >>Please indicate whether or not you think this is reasonable as a WG >>document in the next week or so. >> >>Thanks, >> Erik and Donald >>_______________________________________________ >>trill mailing list >>trill@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > From nordmark@acm.org Mon Oct 29 13:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97A121F86FB for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x9kq+jmwWDEn for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BBA21F86F0 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.22.41] (128-107-239-234.cisco.com [128.107.239.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9TKarlG018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:53 -0700 Message-ID: <508EE8E5.8050307@acm.org> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:53 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "trill@ietf.org" , Ralph Droms References: <508B36E7.9040801@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <508B36E7.9040801@sonic.net> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <508B36E7.9040801@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [trill] Updated TRILL milestones X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:36:57 -0000 As discussed at the last TRILL meeting, our milestones have gotten out of date. At our next meeting in Atlanta, we plan to issue a call for possible Charter updates and milestones adjustments. In the mean time, we plan to bring the existing milestones up to date as shown below: TRILL Milestones (ignoring those currently marked as Done) ---------------------------------------------------------- First column is current date, second is new date (or "Done"). [Comment in square brackets not part of milestone.] Mar 2011 Done Submit TRILL Header Options to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-options) [draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension in RFC Editor's queue.] Mar 2011 Done Initial WG draft on RBridge OAM (draft-bond-trill-rbridge-oam) Mar 2011 Mar 2013 Initial WG draft on ARP/ND optimizations [Potentially based on draft-dunbar-trill-scheme-for-directory-assist] Jun 2011 Jul 2013 Submit RBridge support of Data Center Bridging to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard (draft-eastlake-trill-rbridge-dcb) Jul 2012 Dec 2014 Re-charter or shut down the WG Finally we currently have one milestone item for Jul 2011 Submit RBridge OAM to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard But as things have evolved we will have several documents in the OAM area. Thus we will replace the above one milestone with the following set: Nov 2013 Submit RBridge OAM requirements document to IESG for publication Nov 2013 Initial WG framework document on RBridge OAM Jan 2014 Submit RBridge OAM framework document to the IESG for publication Jan 2014 Initial WG document on RBridge OAM fault management Apr 2014 Initial WG document on RBridge OAM performance management --- Erik and Donald From d3e3e3@gmail.com Mon Oct 29 18:09:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1192421F86DC for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCwcfD2lzziO for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EE021F8647 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so8538573iec.31 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=0qJz3O/B/SZiEW4aDpXKlPcZYJA4NxbabtadviCjDAg=; b=fRBCHj/T9DuaJEsBWKPZKFwgHRQGwhyH9rAjEoBA5IegvNx6unQM2r45KtGuBPDeRW ed+Q1W5DNaV3vfWg/0o58U3q6p0OfYa5zuJZ4TYcUFrNNktUviLtwV0gTOR0uSugEp0F KmCmLNMJrZkIEEmf6ZJuPEO3J85aZqZX9iMBfQ6l4GW3xoCb/Wnps4GFK4zgLPgNRU3J gYBbHfnBsah7OXBqNVr5AgfcVbs5oeJs85bUt7zpwTeZErf9Qmrxq4vfXhAZ0672y1m2 mTLVsQvsipyqoK2T+cSsqfJUKhl6BZ+f/yGiYXVYrNh7FaDKJqUZ6FRO17wICzFmp8Po yynw== Received: by 10.50.216.167 with SMTP id or7mr11354008igc.73.1351559367969; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.176.134 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:09:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201210261547.q9QFlD4f021574@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> References: <201210261547.q9QFlD4f021574@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: Thomas Narten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Consensus Call: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:09:29 -0000 Hi Thomas, Thanks for the review. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: > Sorry to chime in late, but I did another careful review of this > document. > > At a high-level, I think it's mostly ready to go. I did find a few > things (below) that I think need addressing. While they could be > handled during the IETF LC, it might be better to just respin the > document first. I don't see any problem is doing some editorial improvements. The Shepherd review and PROTO statement have not yet been done and after that the next stage is actually AD review... > I also note that Don Eastlake had a number of comments that don't > seem to have been picked up in the revised version. (I noted some of > the same editorial issues.) > > The one concern I have is whether this document has gotten enough > and the right kind of review. 4 of the 7 "support" (5 of 8 counting > mine!) come from the main contributers of the document. I'd feel > better if this document got more reviews from those who haven't been > closely involved in the work. An IETF Operations Directorate review of this draft has been explicitly requested. The draft would no doubt have gotten one eventually but this may cause it to occur at an earlier stage. > Also, given our desire to coordinate with the IEEE 802.1 on OAM, > shouldn't we act to get some reviews from that side before saying > "we're done" and sending it to the IESG? Earlier versions were reviewed by and I believe this draft was provided early to the 802.1 participants who are working with the OAM Design Team. In any case, this draft is intended to be the TRILL requirements and should be generally independent of the technology used -- for example independent of whether specific TRILL OAM mechanisms more closely follow IEEE 802.1ag or MPLS OAM or the TRILL native mechanisms that were being developed in the now expired http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-oam-02.txt draft or other mechanisms. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com