From nobody Mon May 1 15:18:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0707C128AB0; Mon, 1 May 2017 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SovEwRkQ4wxf; Mon, 1 May 2017 15:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCCCB12EAB8; Mon, 1 May 2017 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id o22so2919923iod.0; Mon, 01 May 2017 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4ByC63RpJXSX/VIBAEYRApAbMskiCc3RoVP+mT2qOa0=; b=FGiq1iOORzKOesqPu//GOF1by6N7vAvwYysBlVfmTsdP7oJxsOIa4FbnGBqECf65E6 cx7MDYTiGWWDxQkX2P8TjHeIoNEfjj/j0rA2xjRjyd31H26g5SixDt8slnD8XjPEHCwd JzzN0tao0IO5VtZbxR4w+TStCOQXIGsfaTrWJcnpoWgWEdrsI4Vbb8Gp0MMeT2PkBYTl gpBSP1CFit0aBZRUH3MokBQLN0d37y/SAPtWcS2CvaJ5xR3xGySGWDijxP7d+2aBE/Tu 5qqXcZmo8WPX0fv6wvXdrV6LqZjTS0QbV9BitdPejIQxkb3GmdAlyMAbYtbnWRvFz0DT AvFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4ByC63RpJXSX/VIBAEYRApAbMskiCc3RoVP+mT2qOa0=; b=c4P/ukwrtx/zrRw62UO0k4M2/ZtdU+0uEL+lNmHBzajREwIdg6jwgFstAg789HJEYg uzctK8XTXngm/tHuOL4OESMHKGVLh4ijh1UUHz+3DSQqPe32cMzWhcuLZwUJHL8DbZGV BNZls1WgmARIlr6cvMHmTGauq8DC0D00ilZgcmm9F46GB8AFmTpZorSgZowDY/iUUnGM 2R4uVdtDpDDfoMjQGgefxhUut0E6ALUZw82OYhAzzULah4I7UK3YvH8zji1SMP/tRHy5 uVzmzf8uklEkVD7uxzmOlerWUGUTg732fsPaF/t0pswWCN+wohYXxiu5PjqXZ1ruWnZ3 6UJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5tLoxkMYr5fZ1g3AI9toiHkbqbmwUfOeKBxm6nBK2B0HKCOHHk ta7tV9EdbCK1ACN6scxg+vDMFEYGSruk X-Received: by 10.107.199.7 with SMTP id x7mr23768953iof.216.1493676952086; Mon, 01 May 2017 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.8.154 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2017 15:15:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <010201d296fa$bf7f7f40$3e7e7dc0$@ndzh.com> References: <010201d296fa$bf7f7f40$3e7e7dc0$@ndzh.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 18:15:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Susan Hares Cc: "trill@ietf.org" , "trill-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC on draft-ietf-p2mp-bfd-04.txt - 2/7/2016 to 2/21/2016 - Second WG LC (3/7 to 3/20) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 22:18:35 -0000 Hi, I support the trill-p2mp-bfd draft. 1) Does the support of multi-point BFD aid deployments? Yes, it should be good for monitoring multi-destination connectivity. 2) Are the suggested additions to RFC7177 bootstrapping sufficient for this technology? I believe the changed part of RFC 7177 relates to one-hop sessions only. There can certainly be one-hop sessions between a head and multiple tails since, for example, the link can be a broadcast link consisting of a bridge LAN with multiple RBridges attached. I do not think the bootstrap mechanism in RFC 7177 or this modified version is sufficient for multi-hop sessions since it uses Hellos rather than LSPs. Multi-hop sessions are presumably configured by the network manager. 3) Do you feel this technology is ready for standardization? Yes. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > We did not receive any comments on the WGLC for draft-ietf-p2mp-bfd-04.tx= t > (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07692.html). > Perhaps this was because I started the WG LC during Chinese new year. W= e > will try a second WG LC before declaring =E2=80=9Cno support for this dra= ft=E2=80=9D > > > > In your comments please consider, > > 1) Does the support of multi-point BFD aid deployments? > > 2) Are the suggested additions to RFC7177 bootstrapping sufficient f= or > this technology? > > 3) Do you feel this technology is ready for standardization? > > > > Sue Hares From nobody Tue May 2 08:14:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E91F131643; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulqJJxhgseA5; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFA8D12946B; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.10.118; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Donald Eastlake'" Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 11:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: <037701d2c355$999570f0$ccc052d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0378_01D2C334.12841F10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLDVT7VBCOASaicSKuAl8anhBH/Cg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] WG LC on draft-ietf-p2mp-bfd-04.txt - 2/7/2016 to 2/21/2016 - Second WG LC (3/7 to 3/20) - WG Consensus is reached X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 15:14:24 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0378_01D2C334.12841F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TRILL WG: The working group has reached consensus on draft-ietf-p2pmp-bfd-04.txt. After the shepherd report has been updated this will be sent to the IESG. Sue Hares and Jon Hudson PS - My apologies for the lateness of this report. I caught a virulent flu and was out for a few weeks. ------=_NextPart_000_0378_01D2C334.12841F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

TRILL WG: =

 

The working group has reached consensus on = draft-ietf-p2pmp-bfd-04.txt.  After the shepherd report has been = updated this will be sent to the IESG.

 

Sue Hares = and Jon Hudson

 

PS - My = apologies for the lateness of this report.   I caught a = virulent  flu and was out for a few weeks. 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0378_01D2C334.12841F10-- From nobody Tue May 2 08:20:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3523E129AA0; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vfc_qM4Ucol2; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41B7131602; Tue, 2 May 2017 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.10.118; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Donald Eastlake'" Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 11:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <038401d2c356$6d4751c0$47d5f540$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0385_01D2C334.E6378680" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLDVfe6k3Jaw/Q/Sy2CCGZF2e5j1w== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08 - WG LC on changes (5/2 to 5/9) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 15:20:03 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0385_01D2C334.E6378680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 1 Week WG LC on the changes to draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization. Please review the changed text, and indicate whether you believe it is ready for IESG publication. Below is a pointer to the current draft. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/ Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0385_01D2C334.E6378680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 1 Week WG LC on the changes to = draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization.  Please review the changed text, = and indicate whether you believe it is ready for IESG publication. =  Below is a pointer to the current draft.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/

 

Sue Hares

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0385_01D2C334.E6378680-- From nobody Tue May 2 09:37:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5651293EE for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 09:37:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.645 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.645 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f_n1wMnGAY0k for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 09:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C0E129576 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 09:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.10.118; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: "'Alia Atlas'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <03cc01d2c361$46b84090$d428c1b0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIcmuNaa4EYfF2UvH2XtgF7s7aaeaFNjJtg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] Improved draft minutes for TRILL session at IETF-98 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 16:37:41 -0000 Donald: Thank you for posting the more complete minutes. Sue -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Donald Eastlake Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:00 PM To: trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] Improved draft minutes for TRILL session at IETF-98 More complete draft minutes of the TRILL WG meeting at IETF 98 in Chicago have been uploaded. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/proceedings Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Tue May 2 10:28:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8C5129AE0; Tue, 2 May 2017 10:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8B0kpmZw8pr3; Tue, 2 May 2017 10:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80E38129492; Tue, 2 May 2017 10:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.10.118; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Donald Eastlake'" Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 13:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: <040001d2c368$65ad0a60$31071f20$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0401_01D2C346.DE9C7BD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLDZ2yTPB9xV3joRdCSIE8pmSy21A== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multilevel-05 - WG LC Call for additions - 5/2 to 5/15 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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This = begins a 2 week WG LC call on the changes on = draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multilevel that occurred due to AD = evaluations.  Please indicate whether you think the changes make = this draft ready for publication.   Below is the link to the = current version of the drasft.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multileve= l/

 

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 18:50:30 -0000 --001a1145ae02fde776054eb73e4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I've reviewed this document and have one new technical comment, two editorials, and I repeat with suggested text a technical comment I had in my recent message supporting. *Technical Comments* 1. The Security Considerations section has a minor problem in that it refers to RFC 7978 for security. RFC 7978 tells you how to do point-to-point authentication and encryption but for multi-destination cases like p2mp it provides only authentication. And, I believe, the multipoint BFD draft provides authentication so it is not really necessary to do it at the extended RBridge Channel message level. I suggest replacing the first two paragraphs of the Security Considerations section with the following: "Multipoint BFD provides its own authentication but does not provide encryption (see Security Considerations in [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint]). As specified in this document, the point-to-multipoint BFD payloads are encapsulated in RBridge Channel messages which have been extended by [RFC7978] to provide security. However, [RFC7978], while it provides both authentication and encryption for point-to-point extended RBridge Channel messages, provides only authentication for multipoint RBridge Channel messages. Thus, there is little reason to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at this time. However, it is expected that a future document will provide for group keying; when that occurs, the use of RBridge Channel security will also be able to provide encryption and may be desirable." 2. As mentioned in https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07746.html the bootstrapping section (Section 3) could be read to imply that multi-hop multi-point BFD sessions could be bootstrapped with adjacency but I think that only works for one-hop BFD sessions. I suggest that the first sentence of Section 3 be replaced by the following two sentences: "The TRILL adjacency mechanism bootstraps the establishment of one-hop TRILL BFD sessions [RFC7177 ]. Multi-hop sessions are expected to be configured by the network manager." *Editorial Comments* Section 1 OLD [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail ]. If the tail loses connectivity of the new RBridge Channel message from the head, the NEW [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail ]. If the tail loses connectivity as detected by not receiving the new RBridge Channel message from the head, the Section 5 OLD addition to this combination, TRILL P2MP BFD that requires the tail NEW addition to this combination, TRILL P2MP BFD requires that the tail Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --001a1145ae02fde776054eb73e4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I've reviewed this document and= have one new technical comment, two editorials, and I repeat with suggeste= d text a technical comment I had in my recent message supporting.

Technical Comments

1. The S= ecurity Considerations section has a minor problem in that it refers to RFC= 7978 for security. RFC 7978 tells you how to do point-to-point authenticat= ion and encryption but for multi-destination cases like p2mp it provides on= ly authentication. And, I believe, the multipoint BFD draft provides authen= tication so it is not really necessary to do it at the extended RBridge Cha= nnel message level. I suggest replacing the first two paragraphs of the Sec= urity Considerations section with the following:

"= Multipoint BFD provides its own authentication but does not provide encrypt= ion (see Security Considerations in [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint]). As specifie= d in this document, the point-to-multipoint BFD payloads are encapsulated i= n RBridge Channel messages which have been extended by [RFC7978] to provide= security. However, [RFC7978], while it provides both authentication and en= cryption for point-to-point extended RBridge Channel messages, provides onl= y authentication for multipoint RBridge Channel messages. Thus, there is li= ttle reason to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at this time. However,= it is expected that a future document will provide for group keying; when = that occurs, the use of RBridge Channel security will also be able to provi= de encryption and may be desirable."

=
2. As mentioned in
the bootstrapping section (Se= ction 3) could be read to imply that multi-hop multi-point BFD sessions cou= ld be bootstrapped with adjacency but I think that only works for one-hop B= FD sessions. I suggest that the first sentence of Section 3 be replaced by = the following two sentences:

"The TRILL adjacency mechanism bootstraps t= he establishment of one-hop TRILL BFD
sessions [RFC7177= ]. Multi-hop sessions = are expected to be configured by the network manager."

Editorial Comments
Section 1=
OLD
   [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail].  If the tai=
l loses
   connectivity of the new RBridge Channel message from the
   head, the
NEW
   [I-D.ietf-bf=
d-multipoint-active-tail].  If the tail loses
   connectivity as detected by not receiving the new RBridge
   Channel message from the head, the

Section 5
OLD
   addition to this combination, TRILL P2MP BFD that req=
uires the tail
NEW
   additio=
n to this combination, TRILL P2MP BFD requires that the tail

Thanks,
D= onald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-3= 33-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0<= a href=3D"mailto:d3e3e3@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">d3e3e3@gmail.com
--001a1145ae02fde776054eb73e4f-- From nobody Thu May 4 19:10:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06521289B0 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhQizxs1y2Me for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 378F7126E3A for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id n4so24145173qte.2 for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TgJNFV87l+YMslSo9IQePWNNHxExShfFirFoL5oDA88=; b=cl3gT3aBTayyLm6TEiLzRd84RmCltaiO+IgUz8QgiosqQ4NHBxKZYIelU5Q5ra13fv EmxjIbvfybSMYKLp4sKx0XwLP38ibdhmj4l5jTOxEcNDa7u1d6sy9Hh1Ene4nivV6NS2 Gy0GNsm6dFaaMX4oV0fuNDCgL1YFdYSCD8Stt9tMW4XxXLkEjLEFw6nlU55QnGxfoMJF CGh0NYxJcscI79Sn4BaY6gxWXonHcDUVGwHYTTCjf+oO0qzQHIIKYSHSlRsLXjD3tqeT B/Lkz8GHEQx63Zmbn5/7YJHR85h7wRLPb6T+3kcYlmnsV5ba+wadnpwYopm7Wrzmupox CUKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TgJNFV87l+YMslSo9IQePWNNHxExShfFirFoL5oDA88=; b=ketFLChxZXIV7xa27+L0r1DErhSuHdGM2yAx2pp2G2BKBfkm5RGAwRuZgkLdXhxjB2 q0htxFxLdm2u6950hU2HezmDf7cInMSiag12nulAeai4803kfhaN8QNmnTCyi3RlL2vW LKFLboeLQT+T2mt40OJJoEfDc+MAy//+Jx1G8x6FgZch73qdJ7m0p++mTy6aoe8YvNHd WMwmFVbHzNlEZgarg5jKo3yhYDbDFDquZ43lCS5sOYDO8/nOfqpSkNAlDwQLtHV/ZcpN 21GwxKATqEwpoQTmfODXoMpMdJYYdNCGnrqN6hcfTj37ArxIiraqDIW7EXhWp6b+8FKW /ngQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCd8+V6lriycn5yG2Lfr4WIPGngf23N/Y+zs9cmYokb39A5moW7 Tiit6RLbhAbQWQ7RhzRgcu3DOm54MA== X-Received: by 10.200.47.36 with SMTP id j33mr3841303qta.175.1493950215392; Thu, 04 May 2017 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.34.229 with HTTP; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: R Parameswaran Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 19:10:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: trill@ietf.org Cc: Donald Eastlake Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113c01bce6995b054ebd63f1 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Requesting adoption/New Version Notification for draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 02:10:18 -0000 --001a113c01bce6995b054ebd63f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, The following upload of draft-rp-trill-parent-selection reflects changes discussed at IETF 98 - the second/alternative approach has been removed, and the primary approach (using affinity sub-TLV) has been cleaned up and tightened a bit. I have also changed the type of the draft to informational, along the lines discussed. Requesting a working group adoption for this draft. It was based on a real customer need where an unnecessary parent shift was causing traffic disruption/unnecessary flooding in the network and the solution may be of value to customers with production deployments of Trill or Trill-like solutions. thanks, Ramkumar On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > > A new version of I-D, draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt > has been successfully submitted by R. Parameswaran and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-rp-trill-parent-selection > Revision: 03 > Title: TRILL: Parent node Shifts in Tree Construction, Mitigation. > Document date: 2017-04-22 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 11 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > > Abstract: > This draft documents a known problem in the TRILL tree construction > mechanism and offers an approach requiring no change to the TRILL > protocol in order to solve the problem. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > --001a113c01bce6995b054ebd63f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The following upload of draft-rp-trill-parent-s= election
reflects changes discussed at IETF 98 - the second/alternative<= br>approach has been removed, and the primary approach (using
affinity s= ub-TLV) =C2=A0has been cleaned up and tightened a bit.
I have also chang= ed the type of the draft to informational,
along the lines discussed.
Requesting a working group adoption for this draft. It was
based on= a real customer need where an unnecessary parent
shift was causing traf= fic disruption/unnecessary flooding
in the network and the solution may = be of value to
customers with production deployments of Trill or
Tril= l-like solutions.

thanks,

Ramkumar


On Sat, Apr 22,= 2017 at 9:20 AM, =C2=A0<int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>
> A new version of I-D, = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt
> has been successfully submit= ted by R. Parameswaran and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>> Name: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-rp-trill-parent-selec= tion
> Revision: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 03
> Title: =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TRILL: Parent node Shifts in Tree Construction, Mitiga= tion.
> Document date: =C2=A02017-04-22
> Group: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Individual Submission
> Pages: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A011
> URL: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<= a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rp-trill-parent-select= ion-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rp-trill-parent-sele= ction-03.txt
> Status: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/
> Htmlized= : =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-se= lection-03
> Htmlized: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03
> D= iff: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/rfcdif= f?url2=3Ddraft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03
>
> Abstract:> This draft documents a known problem in the TRILL tree construction<= br>> mechanism and offers an approach requiring no change to the TRILL> protocol in order to solve the problem.
>
>
>
&= gt;
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time = of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org.
>
> The I= ETF Secretariat
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149420593554.23211.16479844770482248042@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 18:12:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 01:12:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD Authors : Mingui Zhang Santosh Pallagatti Vengada Prasad Govindan Filename : draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2017-05-07 Abstract: Point to multipoint (P2MP) BFD is designed to verify multipoint connectivity. This document specifies the support of P2MP BFD in TRILL. Similar to TRILL point-to-point BFD, BFD Control packets in TRILL P2MP BFD are transmitted using RBridge Channel message. This document updates RFC 7175 and RFC 7177. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun May 7 18:15:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8284C127333 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 18:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LSJlE-Gw_QSV for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 18:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBC2F127286 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 18:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DML35843; Mon, 08 May 2017 01:15:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Mon, 8 May 2017 02:15:10 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.200]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 8 May 2017 09:15:05 +0800 From: "Zhangmingui (Martin)" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHSx5gqr7CPw8MZ4EGNwRutzLJFA6HpoUbA Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 01:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7A64B81AF@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <149420593554.23211.16479844770482248042@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149420593554.23211.16479844770482248042@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.146.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.590FC69F.00CB, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.5.200, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: b5a12104d6e45ec8348c2da301dd25f7 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 01:15:15 -0000 Hi, This updated version addresses the comments we received during the WG LC. Thanks, Mingui > -----Original Message----- > From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@= ietf.org > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 9:12 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of L= inks of > the IETF. >=20 > Title : TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD > Authors : Mingui Zhang > Santosh Pallagatti > Vengada Prasad Govindan > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2017-05-07 >=20 > Abstract: > Point to multipoint (P2MP) BFD is designed to verify multipoint > connectivity. This document specifies the support of P2MP BFD in > TRILL. Similar to TRILL point-to-point BFD, BFD Control packets in > TRILL P2MP BFD are transmitted using RBridge Channel message. This > document updates RFC 7175 and RFC 7177. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Mon May 22 11:13:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097CC127342; Mon, 22 May 2017 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149547677697.20744.11852732015818604040@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 11:12:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 18:12:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL: Multi-Topology Authors : Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Ayan Banerjee Filename : draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-05-22 Abstract: This document specifies extensions to the IETF TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol to support multi-topology routing of unicast and multi-destination traffic based on IS-IS (Intermediate System to Intermediate System) multi-topology specified in RFC 5120. This document updates RFC 6325 and RFC 7177. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 23 19:50:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038D126CC4; Tue, 23 May 2017 19:50:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149559425089.28455.12498175044895714733@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 19:50:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 02:50:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL Multilevel Using Unique Nicknames Authors : Mingui Zhang Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Radia Perlman Margaret Cullen Hongjun Zhai Dongxin Liu Filename : draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2017-05-23 Abstract: TRILL routing can be extended to support multiple levels by building on the multilevel feature of IS-IS routing. Depending on how nicknames are managed, there are two primary alternatives to realize TRILL multilevel: the unique nickname approach and the aggregated nickname approach as discussed in [MultiL]. This document specifies a unique nickname approach. This approach gives unique nicknames to all TRILL switches across the multilevel TRILL campus. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 23 19:56:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2986C129AB3 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SbeWBM6sp9a9 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 19:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1FEE127076 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DHE68993; Wed, 24 May 2017 02:56:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 24 May 2017 03:56:18 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 24 May 2017 10:56:10 +0800 From: "Zhangmingui (Martin)" To: "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHS1DieStaYy9HK20S9h4OD37FY7aICyOaQ Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 02:56:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7A64F0B52@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <149559425089.28455.12498175044895714733@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149559425089.28455.12498175044895714733@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.146.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.5924F653.0096, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: e24844c7a86b275acffda87587d6410e Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 02:56:24 -0000 Hi, In this updated version, we addressed comments we received. Acknowledgements to Julien and Donald. Thanks, Mingui > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:51 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: trill@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of L= inks of > the IETF. >=20 > Title : TRILL Multilevel Using Unique Nicknames > Authors : Mingui Zhang > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd > Radia Perlman > Margaret Cullen > Hongjun Zhai > Dongxin Liu > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-02.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2017-05-23 >=20 > Abstract: > TRILL routing can be extended to support multiple levels by building > on the multilevel feature of IS-IS routing. Depending on how > nicknames are managed, there are two primary alternatives to realize > TRILL multilevel: the unique nickname approach and the aggregated > nickname approach as discussed in [MultiL]. This document specifies a > unique nickname approach. This approach gives unique nicknames to all > TRILL switches across the multilevel TRILL campus. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickn= ame/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-nickname-0= 2 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-= nickname > -02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-multilevel-unique-ni= ckname-02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Fri May 26 20:19:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151D12EA81; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.05 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.05 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOLomaHNtg9R; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE3F712EAAA; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id a10so4176433itg.1; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=usr7slshwqffObVbwqguYmVQIMdbuoJXg/jHOAyKAlY=; b=hjS5k9tZdZARYfP/Tp9OEAX7Fs6+Erp9sdd12AJx3a4U0mtZMD90mcYn6Z4LlMRXnt 0kgXLKN6Jm45kS7LBpIWXsAhhgiuEsk0M0QLtnpjDHYCNsRQ0i3M6zJfEVClpa05WzG2 qhrmC79S1t5IiaYAAhCUvbEatu0UZ6RHGZ+YvjfBHMmOK2Q9uLscAW5+PUJosvxIZquo KPX8p1O//EbfzFdqglzne8VFngVdHDre+veGnir1YxASQDSw3Ui7kAy0W6X2UoA/R30P PcJN60Etd+LEsYUtQHz3blamlynnnFYzU3ZSA8ug8urFsvsDvZKL1MYW157GsxTIydMl OqBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=usr7slshwqffObVbwqguYmVQIMdbuoJXg/jHOAyKAlY=; b=c56yPU2A6scbddq/IiXCJXRUgIbla5PaeE3B5cRABTsx0/GJ/7RKpn+UcCSL/g0HqI q/t4OP9YNlnzlxcfIQXf8ew0bOKGt+A1by7Qc0vr3u3l07MnWxGNaK2JLy/15bME3xoD i6ofauotlNXK1Paja+ZflfA1OsqNEuZM0W0rut7KdmGDzL1PayLhoGl0vljdJgtt7ItY 9ENTnZ7u0dfjexAUkcsFOH2qLa3AOxtIRrucvMe7uYT/dZy6G7cwL10Z5dI8pfwlWFFU wRCeOTFrolUZWJRZOQFAum5fTI952T0zORB1D/JkjfCw7ohIzShiF6IzYpwugTbI5HyC v22Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcB4SeYuRhBaStEUC89ouLlOnDnxTMCosJet5K1hWYfsh0B8sljE U/rz1eggWBL7bJy3eL6Da1WfV7RT9rG0jH4= X-Received: by 10.36.211.195 with SMTP id n186mr856208itg.0.1495855159007; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.134.208 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 23:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: "trill@ietf.org" Cc: draft-ietf-trill-resilient-trees@ietf.org, "trill-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Shephard Review of draft-ietf-trlll-resilient-trees- X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 03:19:24 -0000 Summary: This draft is in reasonably good shape. I believe that after fixing the things pointed out below, particularly the reference updates, publication as an RFC should be requested. Comments: It seems to me that there is a problem that Sections 3.2.1.1 and 3.2.2 use different methods for avoiding links in the primary distribution tree (basically different ways of increasing those link's cost) when calculating the backup tree. Furthermore, RBridges do not signal which technique they are using so they could be inconsistency which could lead to routing loops. To fix this would require significant additional complexity. I believe the best solution is to drop Section 3.2.2, which provides an alternative to the main method in Section 3.2.1.1, as unnecessary. In Section 5.2.1, I am also just a little concerned over the operational aspects of method 1 for determining failure. I think method 1 requires configuration not just of the timer value Td but also configuration of some way to recognize packets that are in the reliable stream. Standardizing how configure recognition of such packets is problematic because different fast path hardware has different abilities. So, probably the document should say that this configuration out of scope. Perhaps for people not familiar with the TRILL RPF check, it would be good to mention in Section 5.2.2 that the egress RBridge can use the RFP check logic to select packets on a particular tree, even if they all arrive over the same link, because it can determine the tree a packet is on from the TRILL Header. Should probably add a tiny bit to the Security Considerations. Perhaps one sentence saying "The IS-IS PDUs used to transmit the information specified in Section 6 can be secured with IS-IS security [RFC5310]." Terminology: Under separate cover I have sent suggested wording for entries for Child and Parent. I think an RFC reference or two should be added for the BFD entry. References: [RFC2119] needs to be added to the Normative References. Reference to RFC 4601 needs to be updated to RFC 7761. References to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture needs to be updated to RFC 7812 (RFC 7821 is already included as an Informative Reference in the document). Thanks, Donald (document Shepherd) =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Sun May 28 20:01:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB41294E1; Sun, 28 May 2017 20:00:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149602685442.13342.1914388136119827211@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:00:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 03:00:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL: ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) Support Authors : Donald E. Eastlake Bob Briscoe Filename : draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2017-05-28 Abstract: Explicit congestion notification (ECN) allows a forwarding element to notify downstream devices, including the destination, of the onset of congestion without having to drop packets. This can improve network efficiency through better flow control without packet drops. This document extends ECN to TRILL switches, including integration with IP ECN, and provides for ECN marking in the TRILL Header Extension Flags Word (see RFC 7179). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Malis" , "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, Kingston Smiler Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08228f2c2d80690550aa8c84" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA review of draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 14:31:53 -0000 --089e08228f2c2d80690550aa8c84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Matthew and Andrew, Could you look at version -04 to see if this resolves your comments? My apologies for taking so long. Regards, Umair *From:* trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Malis *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 12:40 PM *To:* Kingston Smiler *Cc:* Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA review of draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02 Kingston, On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Kingston Smiler wrote: Typically PBB-VPLS is used to avoid exposing the customer MAC in service provider network. In case of TRILL packet over MPLS, already the customer MAC is encapsulated inside the TRILL header. Having said that, do we really need to consider TRILL over PBB-VPLS. PBB (and by extension, PBB-VPLS) is not just used for C-MAC hiding, but also for provider infrastructure scaling, so I would think the answer is yes. Matthew, do you agree? Cheers, Andy -- . --089e08228f2c2d80690550aa8c84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA revi= ew of draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02

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Typically PBB-VPLS is= used to avoid exposing the customer MAC in service provider network. In ca= se of TRILL packet over MPLS, already the customer MAC is encapsulated insi= de the TRILL header. Having said that, do we really need to consider TRILL = over PBB-VPLS. =C2=A0=C2=A0

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. --089e08228f2c2d80690550aa8c84-- From nobody Tue May 30 02:13:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1936127010 for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 02:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bobbriscoe.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o6f6gBRgvrZq for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 02:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.dnsblock1.com (server.dnsblock1.com [85.13.236.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09A86126B7E for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 02:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobbriscoe.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+0/D5frb4tHFWaM2cuVJiphFBrHBv9HHcgOqzpmiVLI=; b=uYNk2S+87f6xqkmfPN06gRWea HY8eR3YPkwRxc4A5SRpu+phL5T5pia9aMdB5PTnaGHO2KhV3bN32afeM0zEFRKcUngwWwMO/uxUO2 2JULBKuc/O8QDFzqHLAfA92C2DM/MzyidlvGH9M4aNTWiYShAbeLJ+ilX4f8mMdwYPkKLvUXCuc3x 6nuuSV6cN0hhivTR2Aoibx+5PHbhuWDoWml/i3OiO6w8fux2RmObdWzpxnTT4fJ8b0bnUe8B08pji UTFYpR7Xz6imtM5RJukklXYhuFvkN6U1SEUqi8mT0yai8+0ddp6OySROu3F4Q/88o8QpEsHiAVTwI lKy4ubOBA==; Received: from 197.74.9.51.dyn.plus.net ([51.9.74.197]:56542 helo=[192.168.0.2]) by server.dnsblock1.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dFdCz-0002XI-0w; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:12:57 +0100 To: trill IETF list , "Donald E. Eastlake" References: <149602685471.13342.7416119508424818522.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Bob Briscoe Message-ID: <7392c971-7ab7-1586-6421-95b0a4fb3450@bobbriscoe.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:12:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149602685471.13342.7416119508424818522.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FDD11D1480DF7689734DC42D" Content-Language: en-GB X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnsblock1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bobbriscoe.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.dnsblock1.com: authenticated_id: in@bobbriscoe.net X-Authenticated-Sender: server.dnsblock1.com: in@bobbriscoe.net Archived-At: Subject: [trill] New Version: draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 09:13:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FDD11D1480DF7689734DC42D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trillers, Donald & I have just posted a minor rev of draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support to address the following points: * Until now Low Latency Low Loss Scalable throughput (L4S) was referenced as an individual contribution. L4S is now adopted (tsvwg milestone), so trill support for the L4S variant of ECN is now more significant. However, the advice on L4S marking only explains how trill/ECN handling (already specified in this doc) can work correctly with the L4S variant of ECN as well. So the L4S text is still not normative and still consigned to an appendix. * Used the new key word boilerplate including RFC 8174. * Acknowledged Loa Andersson's review. * Some minor corrections. As usual, you can get the full diff from the links below. Cheers Bob On 29/05/17 04:00, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt > has been successfully submitted by Donald E. Eastlake and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support > Revision: 03 > Title: TRILL: ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) Support > Document date: 2017-05-28 > Group: trill > Pages: 19 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03 > > Abstract: > Explicit congestion notification (ECN) allows a forwarding element to > notify downstream devices, including the destination, of the onset of > congestion without having to drop packets. This can improve network > efficiency through better flow control without packet drops. This > document extends ECN to TRILL switches, including integration with IP > ECN, and provides for ECN marking in the TRILL Header Extension Flags > Word (see RFC 7179). > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/ --------------FDD11D1480DF7689734DC42D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trillers,

Donald & I have just posted a minor rev of draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support to address the following points:

* Until now Low Latency Low Loss Scalable throughput (L4S) was referenced as an individual contribution. L4S is now adopted (tsvwg milestone), so trill support for the L4S variant of ECN is now more significant. However, the advice on L4S marking only explains how trill/ECN handling (already specified in this doc) can work correctly with the L4S variant of ECN as well. So the L4S text is still not normative and still consigned to an appendix.

* Used the new key word boilerplate including RFC 8174.

* Acknowledged Loa Andersson's review.

* Some minor corrections.

As usual, you can get the full diff from the links below.

Cheers


Bob



On 29/05/17 04:00, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt
has been successfully submitted by Donald E. Eastlake and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support
Revision:	03
Title:		TRILL: ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) Support
Document date:	2017-05-28
Group:		trill
Pages:		19
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support-03

Abstract:
   Explicit congestion notification (ECN) allows a forwarding element to
   notify downstream devices, including the destination, of the onset of
   congestion without having to drop packets. This can improve network
   efficiency through better flow control without packet drops. This
   document extends ECN to TRILL switches, including integration with IP
   ECN, and provides for ECN marking in the TRILL Header Extension Flags
   Word (see RFC 7179).


                                                                                  


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat



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Malis" Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mohammed Umair Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls@ietf.org, "trill@ietf.org" , Kingston Smiler Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140bda89050650550bfc6a2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA review of draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:51:26 -0000 --001a1140bda89050650550bfc6a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Umair, You added PBB being out of scope for this document to section 3.4, but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that anywhere else, such as in the introduction or the abstract. Is it really out of scope? The text in section 6 doesn=E2=80=99t scan, the first two sentences should = be joined together by a comma rather than a period and starting a new paragraph. But it still doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to me, because the secon= d part talks about what happens in the VPTS model if there=E2=80=99s a pseudowire = failure, but the first part of the doesn=E2=80=99t say anything about a pseudowire f= ailure in the VPLS model (which, as we noted, doesn=E2=80=99t present a problem if= you=E2=80=99re running spanning tree or H-VPLS with PW redundancy in the VPLS). Cheers, Andy On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Mohammed Umair < mohammed.umair2@ipinfusion.com> wrote: > Hi Matthew and Andrew, > > > > Could you look at version -04 to see if this resolves your comments? > > My apologies for taking so long. > > > > Regards, > > Umair > > > > *From:* trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. > Malis > *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 12:40 PM > *To:* Kingston Smiler > *Cc:* Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); rtg-dir@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA review of > draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02 > > > > Kingston, > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Kingston Smiler > wrote: > > > > Typically PBB-VPLS is used to avoid exposing the customer MAC in service > provider network. In case of TRILL packet over MPLS, already the customer > MAC is encapsulated inside the TRILL header. Having said that, do we real= ly > need to consider TRILL over PBB-VPLS. > > > > > > PBB (and by extension, PBB-VPLS) is not just used for C-MAC hiding, but > also for provider infrastructure scaling, so I would think the answer is > yes. Matthew, do you agree? > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > . --001a1140bda89050650550bfc6a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Umair,

You added PBB being out of scope= for this document to section 3.4, but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that anywhere= else, such as in the introduction or the abstract. Is it really out of sco= pe?

The text in section 6 doesn=E2=80=99t scan, th= e first two sentences should be joined together by a comma rather than a pe= riod and starting a new paragraph. But it still doesn=E2=80=99t make sense = to me, because the second part talks about what happens in the VPTS model i= f there=E2=80=99s a pseudowire failure, but the first part of the doesn=E2= =80=99t say anything about a pseudowire failure in the VPLS model (which, a= s we noted, doesn=E2=80=99t present a problem if you=E2=80=99re running spa= nning tree or=C2=A0H-VPLS with PW redundancy in the VPLS).=C2=A0
=
Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Mohammed = Umair <mohammed.umair2@ipinfusion.com> wrote:

Hi Matthew and Andrew,

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Could you look at version -04 to see if t= his resolves your comments?

My apologies for taking so long.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Umair

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From:= trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew= G. Malis
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:40 PM
To: Kin= gston Smiler
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf= -trill-transport-over-mpls@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [trill] [R= TG-DIR] Routing Area Directorate QA review of draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-02

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Kingston,

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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 4= :35 PM, Kingston Smiler <kingstonsmiler@gmail.com> wrote:

<Kingston>

Typically PBB-VPLS is used t= o avoid exposing the customer MAC in service provider network. In case of T= RILL packet over MPLS, already the customer MAC is encapsulated inside the = TRILL header. Having said that, do we really need to consider TRILL over PB= B-VPLS. =C2=A0=C2=A0

<= ;/Kingston>=C2=A0=C2=A0

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PBB (and by extension, PBB-VPLS) i= s not just used for C-MAC hiding, but also for provider infrastructure scal= ing, so I would think the answer is yes. Matthew, do you agree?

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Cheer= s,

Andy

=C2=A0


.

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This = begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-trill-smart-endnodes, and you = can  see the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-smart-endnodes/

 

Due to my errors, this WG LC has been delayed.  = We will be running this WG LC in parallel with the IPR call.  The = authors (Radia, Fangwei, Donald, Kesava, Ting) should send their IPR = statements by 6/5. If the IPR statements are not received, we will need = to extend the WG LC.

 

For this WG, = please consider the following questions:

 

1)      = Does the draft-ietf-trill-smart-endnodes provide = a good solution for the problem of the size and freshness of the endnode = learning table in edge RBridges by allowing endnodes to volunteer for = endnode learning and encapsulation/decapsulation?

2)      = Do you know of any situations where deployment = of this technology will be helpful?

3)      = Is this technology and this draft ready for IESG = publication?

 

Sue Hares

------=_NextPart_000_010F_01D2D9F6.0C93A2F0-- From nobody Wed May 31 07:40:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94FF126C22; Wed, 31 May 2017 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DtV_vnEXBRpp; Wed, 31 May 2017 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 585781270B4; Wed, 31 May 2017 07:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Alia Atlas'" , "'Donald Eastlake'" Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 10:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: <014b01d2da1b$14dbd890$3e9389b0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014C_01D2D9F9.8DCB22F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLaGXMdv3VBfNulRgO3qIgFKR6v6A== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multilevel-05 - WG LC Call for additions - 5/2 to 5/15 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:40:33 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01D2D9F9.8DCB22F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This closes the WG LC for the AD additions to draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multilevel-05.txt. Since the chairs have received no additional comments on the additions, this draft will be forward to the IESG for publication. After the shepherd report is updated, and it will forward to the IESG for publication. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01D2D9F9.8DCB22F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = closes the WG LC for the AD additions to = draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-multilevel-05.txt.   Since the chairs = have received no additional comments on the additions, this draft will = be forward to the IESG for publication.   After the shepherd = report is updated, and it will forward to the IESG for publication. =

 

Sue Hares =   

------=_NextPart_000_014C_01D2D9F9.8DCB22F0-- From nobody Wed May 31 11:54:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11301200C1; Wed, 31 May 2017 11:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kQlJfL_ic5Ci; Wed, 31 May 2017 11:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBA3D12954D; Wed, 31 May 2017 11:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Alia Atlas'" Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01e101d2da3e$8b73b810$a25b2830$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E2_01D2DA1D.04648910" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLaPeM6+1y7SgptRdGS9y+2LamucQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] WG LC for draft-trill-ecn-support-03 (5/31 to 6:13) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:54:31 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01D2DA1D.04648910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support which can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support/. The authors (Donald Eastlake and Bob Biscoe) should indicate whether they know of any IPR relating to this draft. The TRILL WG should consider the following questions: 1) Does this extension of the ECN to TRILL Switches provide for better Flow control of IP packets without packet drops? And is this useful in TRILL deployments? 2) Do you believe this document is ready for RFC publication? Please include the answers to these questions among your comments about this draft. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01D2DA1D.04648910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a  2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support which can = be found at:

h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-ecn-support/. =

 

 

The authors = (Donald Eastlake and Bob Biscoe) should indicate whether they know of = any IPR relating to this draft.   

 

The TRILL WG = should consider the following questions:

 

1)      = Does this extension of the ECN to TRILL Switches = provide for better

Flow = control of IP packets without packet drops?  And is this useful in = TRILL deployments?

 

2)      = Do you believe this document is ready for RFC = publication?

 

Please include the answers to these questions among = your comments about this draft.

 

Sue Hares =

------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01D2DA1D.04648910-- From nobody Wed May 31 12:02:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DBF129412; Wed, 31 May 2017 12:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHLGqzxBG4jX; Wed, 31 May 2017 12:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8B74128ACA; Wed, 31 May 2017 12:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Alia Atlas'" Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:56:58 -0400 Message-ID: <01ee01d2da3f$ae5497e0$0afdc7a0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EF_01D2DA1E.2742F7E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLaPz4nbsGQ8sQVSymmm5+LzjefMA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08 - WG LC on changes (5/2 to 5/9) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 19:02:31 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01D2DA1E.2742F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears I missed sending a message about the updates to draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimnization-08.txt. No additional concerns or comments were made on the changes to the draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization. This revision of the draft has reached WG will be resent to the IESG for publication. Sue Hares e ------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01D2DA1E.2742F7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It appears = I missed sending a message about the updates to = draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimnization-08.txt.   No additional = concerns or comments were made on the changes to the = draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization.   This revision of the = draft has reached WG will be resent to the IESG for publication. =

 

Sue Hares e

------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01D2DA1E.2742F7E0-- From nobody Wed May 31 14:23:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E972129AC9; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZfrR04uYIPSC; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2F99129C1A; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Alia Atlas'" Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: <029701d2da53$64ee3840$2ecaa8c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0298_01D2DA31.DDDC9840" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLaUaTQG/KrJnjxRM6SCqMixJhPfQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] 2 week WG adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:23:40 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0298_01D2DA31.DDDC9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-eastlake-group-keying. You can find the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying/ This draft specifies a general group key protocol that can be used to support multi-destination packets supported by TRILL extended RBridge Channel Messages and TRILL over IP packet security. In your comments please consider: 1) Is a generic multi-destination group keying needed for these multi-destination packets? 2) Is this draft ready for WG adoption? 3) Can we complete the draft rapidly to meet the 1 year deadline for new TRILL drafts? Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0298_01D2DA31.DDDC9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-eastlake-group-keying.  = You can find the draft at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying/

 

This draft specifies a general group key protocol that = can be used to support multi-destination packets supported by TRILL = extended RBridge Channel Messages and TRILL over IP packet security. =  In your comments please consider:

 

1)      = Is a generic multi-destination group keying = needed for these multi-destination packets?

2)      = Is this draft ready for WG = adoption?

3)      = Can we complete the draft rapidly to meet the 1 = year deadline for new TRILL drafts?

 

Sue Hares =  

------=_NextPart_000_0298_01D2DA31.DDDC9840-- From nobody Wed May 31 14:37:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F57B129C30; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.646 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EJISAoWo32q; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F51A124234; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: , "'Alia Atlas'" Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:31:44 -0400 Message-ID: <02b301d2da55$4d43a5c0$e7caf140$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B4_01D2DA33.C63205C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLaVHL3h5KSSYtoRp+Xo96OBSdfkQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] 2 week Adoption call for draft-rp-trill-parent-selection (5/31 to 6/13) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:37:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01D2DA33.C63205C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-rp-trill-parent-selection from 5/31/2017 to 6/13/2017. You can obtain the draft at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/. The authors should indicate if they know of IPR on this draft. This should be sent to the WG list within 1 week or the WG adoption or we will "stall" the WG adoption call waiting for it. (Normally TRILL authors are great at responding - so we are running the IPR and WG Adoption call in parallel). The TRILL WG group should consider on this information draft if: 1) Is the documentation the known problem in the TRILL tree construction mechanism and offers an approach requiring no change to the TRILL protocol in order to solve the problem is a useful for TRILL deployments. 2) Does this draft document this problem? 3) Can we complete this work within 1 year? Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01D2DA33.C63205C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-rp-trill-parent-selection = from 5/31/2017 to 6/13/2017.  You can obtain the draft at: =  

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/.<= o:p>

 

The authors should indicate if they know of IPR on = this draft.  This should be sent to the WG list within 1 week or = the WG adoption or we will “stall” the WG adoption call = waiting for it.   (Normally TRILL authors are great at = responding – so we are running the IPR and WG Adoption call in = parallel).

 

The TRILL WG group should consider on this information = draft if:

 

 

1)      = Is the documentation the known problem in the = TRILL tree construction mechanism and offers an approach requiring no = change to the TRILL

protocol = in order to solve the problem is a useful for TRILL = deployments.

2)      = Does this draft document this problem? =

3)      = Can we complete this work within 1 year? =

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01D2DA33.C63205C0-- From nobody Wed May 31 14:37:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB69C129C47; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149626667587.19864.8874251626633598517.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] The TRILL WG has placed draft-rp-trill-parent-selection in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:37:56 -0000 The TRILL WG has placed draft-rp-trill-parent-selection in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Susan Hares) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/ From nobody Wed May 31 14:38:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93269124234; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:38:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149626673559.19840.11223149399456541192.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:38:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] The TRILL WG has placed draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:38:56 -0000 The TRILL WG has placed draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Susan Hares) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eastlake-trill-group-keying/ From nobody Wed May 31 14:56:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DD1129C31 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0hR7-0q1Z3l5 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1974D126D85 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.6.31; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'R Parameswaran'" , Cc: "'Donald Eastlake'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: <02c001d2da55$a2f3aec0$e8db0c40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C1_01D2DA34.1BE47FC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQF5heC1p1esI+F4bd2JrC5RkaYhE6LBn16g Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] Requesting adoption/New Version Notification for draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:56:19 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01D2DA34.1BE47FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ramkumar:=20 =20 A WG adoption call has been started for = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of R Parameswaran Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 10:10 PM To: trill@ietf.org Cc: Donald Eastlake Subject: [trill] Requesting adoption/New Version Notification for = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt =20 Hi, The following upload of draft-rp-trill-parent-selection reflects changes discussed at IETF 98 - the second/alternative approach has been removed, and the primary approach (using affinity sub-TLV) has been cleaned up and tightened a bit. I have also changed the type of the draft to informational, along the lines discussed. Requesting a working group adoption for this draft. It was based on a real customer need where an unnecessary parent shift was causing traffic disruption/unnecessary flooding in the network and the solution may be of value to customers with production deployments of Trill or Trill-like solutions. thanks, Ramkumar On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > > A new version of I-D, draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt > has been successfully submitted by R. Parameswaran and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-rp-trill-parent-selection > Revision: 03 > Title: TRILL: Parent node Shifts in Tree Construction, = Mitigation. > Document date: 2017-04-22 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 11 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.t= xt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03 > > Abstract: > This draft documents a known problem in the TRILL tree construction > mechanism and offers an approach requiring no change to the TRILL > protocol in order to solve the problem. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01D2DA34.1BE47FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ramkumar:

 

A WG adoption call has been started for = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt.

 

Sue

 

From:= = trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of R = Parameswaran
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 10:10 = PM
To: trill@ietf.org
Cc: Donald = Eastlake
Subject: [trill] Requesting adoption/New Version = Notification for = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt

 

Hi,

The following upload of = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection
reflects changes discussed at IETF 98 = - the second/alternative
approach has been removed, and the primary = approach (using
affinity sub-TLV)  has been cleaned up and = tightened a bit.
I have also changed the type of the draft to = informational,
along the lines discussed.

Requesting a working = group adoption for this draft. It was
based on a real customer need = where an unnecessary parent
shift was causing traffic = disruption/unnecessary flooding
in the network and the solution may = be of value to
customers with production deployments of Trill = or
Trill-like solutions.

thanks,

Ramkumar


On = Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:20 AM,  <internet-drafts@ietf.org>= wrote:
>
> A new version of I-D, = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03.txt
> has been successfully = submitted by R. Parameswaran and posted to the
> IETF = repository.
>
> Name:           = draft-rp-trill-parent-selection
> Revision:       = 03
> Title:          TRILL: Parent node = Shifts in Tree Construction, Mitigation.
> Document date: =  2017-04-22
> Group:         =  Individual Submission
> Pages:         =  11
> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rp-trill-parent-se= lection-03.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection/> Htmlized:       h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-selection-03
>= Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rp-trill-parent-sele= ction-03
> Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rp-trill-parent-selectio= n-03
>
> Abstract:
> This draft documents a known = problem in the TRILL tree construction
> mechanism and offers an = approach requiring no change to the TRILL
> protocol in order to = solve the problem.
>
>
>
>
> Please note = that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> = until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> The = IETF Secretariat
>

------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01D2DA34.1BE47FC0-- From nobody Wed May 31 15:02:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785AF129C30 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKpxtR2ZcrcT for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ADB31293F4 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id m47so21798063iti.1 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CLaNxdNWqJNE5F2p8log84fdFVIGYGpg4KF2HWPlelw=; b=NCi3Ig54mRpRwaPYrOzHYG+kZXECvO5e7z6sk8l0U+/NqHYR61U8+Rw+ixIgA9JjCM rGbPiv3kCeHxiBS7hilK+49p/M9k3SPN7E3aVG8sBPVZU5DKLiWR3OFFzyAvNwZTeGVM TSkImMuhHf2s7RSewy8BsydjjPK9ziGujL0I171JaFn+tmCA0qMLOsmCs6yNngN9h+i7 M/rQFMgu2Cm/X0RHhLe2yZ3RIshVhffTPJ+rRoQFhnYPXE48Z22u8+V3PpiGM8Advmxs M81QCZ3J1JsMyjZRFJoNYvScY0SFRWdZo3q64TW1Qm5AP0PATix3XMH7PMGC70o9JEwx LNvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CLaNxdNWqJNE5F2p8log84fdFVIGYGpg4KF2HWPlelw=; b=CR8971dp/mtC8Glz2N33ZKcmoJ3NAy+/5k5tWjJWBO3pdTtWNwIWanOtySPMX9Wskn ul69RC4fDACX92FiQxlrdTsrPPfljpapSC+Jxz2EYeTiKzWZxINVcRxtY/URziJAIJa6 LU2NNNVgRRLZoMJwrEc2mbUSWWqq+ksauLnXI+Q3CfOgmk6VetogbHZS/GpaVakiydyl 07pOHCOF0SEVMHRyVZqoAkM+kfxANe3gbcZeKNqRfg7BuPBIIMN6OxUILj2JoV9ekFYI P/8s9jT5cgtgoUZbpoglBfjH2xtNrR0RWdjRdC9u3srna48BwVzAOKE/YLGtO+gXxzw3 06wg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDdePuacpHbeVys+mrnrVjpN5T3EXXau+CXCllpn15q2M+lofRn f1DVJf4qFr20+HmXDF4ke9vgXpeABB0I X-Received: by 10.36.61.210 with SMTP id n201mr9937577itn.82.1496268119689; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:01:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.134.208 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:01:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: "trill@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11443f8cc352a80550d91183" Archived-At: Subject: [trill] IPR statement on draft-ietf-trill-over-ip X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:02:02 -0000 --001a11443f8cc352a80550d91183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below. Re-posting for the record. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Margaret Cullen Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Margaret: Please post Fwd: IPR statement on draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-08,txt To: "d3e3e3@gmail.com" , Susan Hares < susaha1@mail.regent.edu> Cc: Margaret Cullen , "trill-chairs@ietf.or= g" I do not have, nor am I aware of, any IPR on the trill-over-ip document. Sorry for the delay, but I don=E2=80=99t think I received the original ques= tion. Please do forward the document to the IESG. Thanks, Margaret --001a11443f8cc352a80550d91183 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See below. Re-posting for the record.

Th= anks,
Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2= =A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 US= A
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gma= il.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
F= rom: Margaret Cullen &l= t;mrcullen42@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Margaret: Please po= st Fwd: IPR statement on draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-08,txt
To: "d3e3e3@gmail.com" <d3e3e3@gmail.com>, Susan Hares <susaha1@mail.regent.edu>
Cc: Mar= garet Cullen <margaret= @painless-security.com>, "trill-chairs@ietf.org" <trill-chairs@ietf.org>


I do not have, nor am I aware of, any IPR on the trill-over-ip docu= ment.=C2=A0 Sorry for the delay, but I don=E2=80=99t think I received the o= riginal question.

Please do forward the document to the = IESG.

Thanks,
Margaret

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:16:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) over IP Authors : Margaret Cullen Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Dacheng Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2017-05-31 Abstract: The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL switch ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updates RFC 7177 and updates RFC 7178. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:25:14 -0000 --f403045d97e8bbb6d40550d964b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, This revision has relatively minor changes to add an optional TCP based encapsulation. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:16 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links) over IP > Authors : Margaret Cullen > Donald Eastlake > Mingui Zhang > Dacheng Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10.txt > Pages : 41 > Date : 2017-05-31 > > Abstract: > The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol > supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed > so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL switch > ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL > data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network > as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updates RFC > 7177 and updates RFC 7178. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > --f403045d97e8bbb6d40550d964b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This revision has relatively minor = changes to add an optional TCP based encapsulation.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donal= d E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street,= Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:16 PM, <= internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Lin= ks of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) over IP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Marg= aret Cullen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Donald Eastlake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mingui Zhang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dacheng Zhang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-trill-over-ip-10.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 41
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-05-31

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) proto= col
=C2=A0 =C2=A0supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is des= igned
=C2=A0 =C2=A0so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL = switch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TR= ILL
=C2=A0 =C2=A0data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP ne= twork
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updat= es RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A07177 and updates RFC 7178.



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--f403045d97e8bbb6d40550d964b0-- From nobody Wed May 31 15:37:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE0C12944E for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JtcI0-zjAoNc for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4ACC1267BB for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.160.211] (mul.isi.edu [128.9.160.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v4VMbWAr019431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 31 May 2017 15:37:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" References: <149626897714.19836.7466806270075160460@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Joe Touch Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 15:37:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D5C20910602E2B2DBBE1EB68" Content-Language: en-US X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:37:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D5C20910602E2B2DBBE1EB68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all, I'm confused by the TCP encapsulation shown. If you place TRILL in TCP, you cannot ensure that the TRILL packets are aligned with the TCP headers. TCP is a bytestream, not message-oriented. I.e., you need to assume that TRILL packets could be split across TCP segments or multiple TRILL packets (or portions thereof) could be contained within a TCP segment. That means you will need a framing protocol that identifies the start of TRILL packets, and you should never assume that TRILL packets align with TCP segments. If you want to try to assume alignment of some sort, you need to discuss using RDMA, but that's a much bigger can of worms. Finally, regarding the IANA considerations, IMO the distinction between TRILL data and TRILL control needs to be indicated in-band, not via different port numbers. Ports should be requested only for services that are useful independently (RFC7605). (frankly, IMO, this system has gone off the rails out of control; you really ought to treat everything as running over Ethernet using the TRILL shim and call it a day; the rest should already be sufficiently handled by Ethernet-in-X encapsulation). Joe On 5/31/2017 3:24 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi, > > This revision has relatively minor changes to add an optional TCP > based encapsulation. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:16 PM, > wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of > Lots of Links of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of > Lots of Links) over IP > Authors : Margaret Cullen > Donald Eastlake > Mingui Zhang > Dacheng Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10.txt > Pages : 41 > Date : 2017-05-31 > > Abstract: > The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol > supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed > so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL > switch > ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL > data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network > as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document > updates RFC > 7177 and updates RFC 7178. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/ > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10 > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill --------------D5C20910602E2B2DBBE1EB68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all,

I'm confused by the TCP encapsulation shown.

If you place TRILL in TCP, you cannot ensure that the TRILL packets are aligned with the TCP headers. TCP is a bytestream, not message-oriented.

I.e., you need to assume that TRILL packets could be split across TCP segments or multiple TRILL packets (or portions thereof) could be contained within a TCP segment. That means you will need a framing protocol that identifies the start of TRILL packets, and you should never assume that TRILL packets align with TCP segments.

If you want to try to assume alignment of some sort, you need to discuss using RDMA, but that's a much bigger can of worms.

Finally, regarding the IANA considerations, IMO the distinction between TRILL data and TRILL control needs to be indicated in-band, not via different port numbers. Ports should be requested only for services that are useful independently (RFC7605).

(frankly, IMO, this system has gone off the rails out of control; you really ought to treat everything as running over Ethernet using the TRILL shim and call it a day; the rest should already be sufficiently handled by Ethernet-in-X encapsulation).

Joe


On 5/31/2017 3:24 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
Hi,

This revision has relatively minor changes to add an optional TCP based encapsulation.

Thanks,
Donald
===============================
 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
 d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:16 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF.

        Title           : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) over IP
        Authors         : Margaret Cullen
                          Donald Eastlake
                          Mingui Zhang
                          Dacheng Zhang
        Filename        : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10.txt
        Pages           : 41
        Date            : 2017-05-31

Abstract:
   The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol
   supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed
   so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL switch
   ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL
   data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network
   as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updates RFC
   7177 and updates RFC 7178.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-10

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--------------D5C20910602E2B2DBBE1EB68-- From nobody Wed May 31 20:21:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DF3127011; Wed, 31 May 2017 20:20:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149628725280.19848.3995948247061186343@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:20:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-05.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 03:20:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : Directory Assisted TRILL Encapsulation Authors : Linda Dunbar Donald Eastlake Radia Perlman Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-05.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2017-05-31 Abstract: This draft describes how data center networks can benefit from non- RBridge nodes performing TRILL encapsulation with assistance from a directory service. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/