From nobody Sat Dec 2 20:33:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD8E126B72; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:32:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151227557365.11972.14331233509868468776@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 20:32:53 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 04:32:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) over IP Authors : Margaret Cullen Donald Eastlake Mingui Zhang Dacheng Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2017-12-02 Abstract: The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL switch ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updates RFC 7177 and updates RFC 7178. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 04:37:38 -0000 --001a113d0f2a1dbe9e055f68291d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This revision has changes intended to resolve most, but not all, of the comments in the Transport Area review of this draft. Thus some additional work on this draft is needed. The comments concerning NAT traversal were resolved, as discussed at the TRILL WG meeting at the IETF meeting in Singapore, by declaring NAT traversal out of scope for this draft. Additional comments on any of these changes are welcome. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 11:32 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links WG of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links) over IP > Authors : Margaret Cullen > Donald Eastlake > Mingui Zhang > Dacheng Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11.txt > Pages : 42 > Date : 2017-12-02 > > Abstract: > The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) protocol > supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is designed > so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL switch > ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TRILL > data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP network > as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updates RFC > 7177 and updates RFC 7178. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-over-ip-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > --001a113d0f2a1dbe9e055f68291d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This revision has changes intended to resolve most, but no= t all, of the comments in the Transport Area review of this draft. Thus som= e additional work on this draft is needed. The comments concerning NAT trav= ersal were resolved, as discussed at the TRILL WG meeting at the IETF meeti= ng in Singapore, by declaring NAT traversal out of scope for this draft.
Additional comments on any of these changes are welcome.

Thanks,
Donald
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On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 11:32 PM, <= internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Lin= ks WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) over IP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Marg= aret Cullen
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-trill-over-ip-11.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 42
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-12-02

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links) proto= col
=C2=A0 =C2=A0supports both point-to-point and multi-access links and is des= igned
=C2=A0 =C2=A0so that a variety of link protocols can be used between TRILL = switch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ports. This document specifies transmission of encapsulated TR= ILL
=C2=A0 =C2=A0data and TRILL IS-IS over IP (v4 or v6). so as to use an IP ne= twork
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as a TRILL link in a unified TRILL campus. This document updat= es RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A07177 and updates RFC 7178.



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--001a113d0f2a1dbe9e055f68291d-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 10:08:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334DB127AD4; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:08:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151241088419.6385.2191566589795311122@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 10:08:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Dec 4 19:12:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF3120046; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:12:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151244352020.13742.17346073028276998222@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:12:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:12:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. Title : TRILL Transparent Transport over MPLS Authors : Mohammed Umair Kingston Smiler Selvaraj Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Lucy Yong Filename : draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2017-12-04 Abstract: This document specifies how to interconnect multiple Transparent Interconnection of Lots of links (TRILL) sites with an intervening MPLS network using existing TRILL and VPLS standards. This draft addresses two problems as follows: 1) Providing connection between more than two TRILL sites that are separated by an MPLS provider network. 2) Providing a single logical virtualized TRILL network for different tenants that are separated by an MPLS provider network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:18:47 -0000 --001a113cf206d6b320055f8f4a75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, This revision primarily updates author affiliations. It is anticipated that a further revision will be aimed at resolving comments. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:12 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of > Links WG of the IETF. > > Title : TRILL Transparent Transport over MPLS > Authors : Mohammed Umair > Kingston Smiler Selvaraj > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd > Lucy Yong > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2017-12-04 > > Abstract: > This document specifies how to interconnect multiple Transparent > Interconnection of Lots of links (TRILL) sites with an intervening > MPLS network using existing TRILL and VPLS standards. This draft > addresses two problems as follows: > > 1) Providing connection between more than two TRILL sites that are > separated by an MPLS provider network. > > 2) Providing a single logical virtualized TRILL network for different > tenants that are separated by an MPLS provider network. > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill- > transport-over-mpls-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > --001a113cf206d6b320055f8f4a75 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This revision primarily updates aut= hor affiliations. It is anticipated that a further revision will be aimed a= t resolving comments.

=
Thanks,Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-50= 8-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2= =A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:12 PM, <= internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Lin= ks WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= TRILL Transparent Transport over MPLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Moha= mmed Umair
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Kingston Smiler Selvaraj
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lucy Yong
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-trill-transport-over-mpls-06.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-12-04

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies how to interconnect multiple Transpare= nt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Interconnection of Lots of links (TRILL) sites with an interve= ning
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS network using existing TRILL and VPLS standards. This dra= ft
=C2=A0 =C2=A0addresses two problems as follows:

=C2=A0 =C2=A01) Providing connection between more than two TRILL sites that= are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 separated by an MPLS provider network.

=C2=A0 =C2=A02) Providing a single logical virtualized TRILL network for di= fferent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 tenants that are separated by an MPLS provider network= .




The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<= wbr>doc/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06
https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcd= iff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-06


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 20:01:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. Title : Directory Assisted TRILL Encapsulation Authors : Linda Dunbar Donald Eastlake Radia Perlman Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2017-12-05 Abstract: This draft describes how data center networks can benefit from non- RBridge nodes performing TRILL encapsulation with assistance from a directory service. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 20:05:14 -0000 Hi, I believe this revision resolves the outstanding WG Last Call comments. Ben: Could you check if you RTGDIR Early Review comments are resolved? Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:01 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. > > Title : Directory Assisted TRILL Encapsulation > Authors : Linda Dunbar > Donald Eastlake > Radia Perlman > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2017-12-05 > > Abstract: > This draft describes how data center networks can benefit from non- > RBridge nodes performing TRILL encapsulation with assistance from a > directory service. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Tue Dec 5 14:22:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30711288A9; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4oOI7nF_1ETV; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F9D5126B6D; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:22:27 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.58.28; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Donald Eastlake'" , , "'Ben Niven-Jenkins'" Cc: References: <151250408499.23094.9968640077808188515@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:22:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01c301d36e17$86e2f3c0$94a8db40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFEiCpdOXVefQfOj1infatPa0YPLAHhxOQupEQQYJA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:22:31 -0000 Donald: Thank-you for resolving the WG LC comments. We will send this off to Alia to be published once Ben responds with an Ok. Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Donald Eastlake Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:05 PM To: trill@ietf.org; Ben Niven-Jenkins Cc: trill-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07.txt Hi, I believe this revision resolves the outstanding WG Last Call comments. Ben: Could you check if you RTGDIR Early Review comments are resolved? Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:01 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. > > Title : Directory Assisted TRILL Encapsulation > Authors : Linda Dunbar > Donald Eastlake > Radia Perlman > Filename : draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-07.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2017-12-05 > > Abstract: > This draft describes how data center networks can benefit from non- > RBridge nodes performing TRILL encapsulation with assistance from a > directory service. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-e > ncap/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap- > 07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-directory-assis > ted-encap-07 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted- > encap-07 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Thu Dec 7 07:30:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F707128B8E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:30:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BUhb0hHe06JM for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62961128D44 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 07:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.58.28; From: "Susan Hares" To: Cc: "'Alia Atlas'" , "'Jon Hudson'" , "'Donald Eastlake'" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:30:27 -0500 Message-ID: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdNvbaNqTgzH0tg9TiuFWHhh5CQ9Lg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (12/7 to 12/15) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 15:30:32 -0000 This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process. This begins a 1 week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IPR to be forward to the IESG. The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document to the IESG. All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additional IPR beyond this IPR. In your discussion please comment on: 1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments, 2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR. 3) This draft This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receive enough approvals for this draft with the IPR. Susan Hares -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL: Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush" Thank you IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Fri Dec 8 01:43:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6689C126579 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:43:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V0VNa1kHcoZc for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6BC81200CF for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A598F636E2EA8 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:43:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:43:21 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.231]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:43:15 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: Susan Hares , "trill@ietf.org" CC: 'Alia Atlas' , 'Jon Hudson' , 'Donald Eastlake' Thread-Topic: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (12/7 to 12/15) Thread-Index: AQHTb5YPTgzH0tg9TiuFWHhh5CQ9LqM5Mc0+ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:43:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.4.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB55173366136069nkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (12/7 to 12/15) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:43:26 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB55173366136069nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know of no additional IPR beyond this IPR. Support move it forward Thanks, weiguo ________________________________________ From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 23:30 To: trill@ietf.org Cc: 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Donald Eastlake' Subject: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (1= 2/7 to 12/15) This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process. This begins a 1 week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IPR to be forward to the IESG. The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document t= o the IESG. All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additional IPR beyond this IPR. In your discussion please comment on: 1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments= , 2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR. 3) This draft This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receiv= e enough approvals for this draft with the IPR. Susan Hares -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL: Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted to th= e IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR disclosure i= s "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush" Thank you IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB55173366136069nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know of no additional IPR beyond this IPR.
Support move it forward
Thanks,

weiguo
________________________________________
From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 23:30
To: trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Donald Eastlake'
Subject: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (1= 2/7 to 12/15)

This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process.  This begins = a 1
week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IPR to be forward to the IESG.

The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document t= o
the IESG.  All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additiona= l IPR
beyond this IPR.

In your discussion please comment on:
1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments= ,

2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR.
3) This draft

This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receiv= e
enough approvals for this draft with the IPR.

Susan Hares


-----Original Message-----
From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM
To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org
Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush

Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL= :
Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted = to the
IETF Secretariat on  and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Int= ellectual
Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR disclosure i= s
"Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-trill-address-flush"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat

_______________________________________________
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Hi,

Draft minutes of the TRILL WG meeti= ng in Singapore have been uploaded to the meeting materials area. See
=

Any corrections welcome.

Thanks,
Donald (TRILL = Secretary)
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1= -508-333-2270 (cell)
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--001a113de938348d42055ff317b6-- From nobody Sat Dec 9 19:08:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CE512762F for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HD0GnERWKMzX for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x234.google.com (mail-ot0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BE8C1200CF for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x234.google.com with SMTP id y10so12146258otg.10 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:08:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yIudX1rTINffV+z6icUhLe44j1YP0zDVQFpWzszstC4=; b=ZrToD7EpzLuP9nf2JCgmP7IDvh96VM+FdQnHH/d+ieGRyLR2YLfwmS9egUoBJVXJoG 6+MQisMLIlQkAxGhA9MX118MUuUyuTCRS0rDpuv1K4x9jTEbFXdHSxUkX5Wig8l7fneE nDu+RyDMhMvN3+lRzk4S7x+LW6iWgr42Vg8EBokMvVHNAwBkXfYJ9qVPhSgnZrHc3eON zjvZAwVynRd92jAKmKszHm48kuf/FriMopNCpuKHFM/2iH/iX5Q3zXmMcIO8s+HPIel8 pzZmEDC4NdoCCWw72ukIKKQ+NhJAOEBUv7WuJhG03nY9V197dEFaqHJEPyNCGMg+9LpI B8mA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yIudX1rTINffV+z6icUhLe44j1YP0zDVQFpWzszstC4=; b=Tq32h5DDTsnr7KSQOUaK3rK+cohiumVXbwZO4u/Iyvw/LeXqY72GWsgFaretC6NAQf tQiNOKgDAhTd42inGRiQeP07cGpEVAMXkOGkxfL/j4kaPt4833biBmtt9Iqqp65JXqXt n+ihEh8Bi56BQ2qa0O7su43RzHrzTQrD4ZMpQTBl6BTO2CBvjLu0tYx3w/w7qSIMUYqo YmLRlc7ejSchl9j+VDX1ESRjXG2OpE7LyQQUdztdNTfFk4V3LY3xf8RkMdehCcpjKlkg Or1c57JJ79XrvCfhIpUtfHobOM1fO3r+Isxp4kOufCeyjUmef6Pyf7jvgBxaP+r9smfm vgew== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX50MMaGAmfpZeRX2TI/biIz09Asmu32e2u8hjSPRqcwcT5WsawC 44yJbSwzPfWEQIAiE2WAjtY3qmVNgYtsj6OSNd0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYlSNH6PCTBrD1tFPBh6iMuUjI0prLI9dSE/E5jE0LEB7qKDJLzey0s/GHkP530smW2u0oz4JRwHYglbkeWy6E= X-Received: by 10.157.43.167 with SMTP id u36mr32353305ota.287.1512875279822; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:07:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.53.129 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:07:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> References: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:07:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: Susan Hares Cc: "trill@ietf.org" , Alia Atlas , Jon Hudson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113fbbeaa4b768055ff3b99b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (12/7 to 12/15) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:08:02 -0000 --001a113fbbeaa4b768055ff3b99b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I do not know of any IPR other than that disclosed. As an author I believe the draft is acceptable with the IPR disclosed. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process. This begins a 1 > week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the > IPR to be forward to the IESG. > > The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document > to > the IESG. All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additional IPR > beyond this IPR. > > In your discussion please comment on: > 1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL > Deployments, > > 2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR. > 3) This draft > > This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not > receive > enough approvals for this draft with the IPR. > > Susan Hares > > > -----Original Message----- > From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM > To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org > Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org > Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement > about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush > > Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair: > > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL: > Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted to > the > IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual > Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR disclosure > is > "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-trill-address-flush" > > > Thank you > > IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > --001a113fbbeaa4b768055ff3b99b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do not know of any IPR other than that disclosed.
As an author I believe the draft is acceptable with the IPR di= sclosed.

Thanks,
Donald=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-227= 0 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares= <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
Th= is IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process.=C2=A0 This begins a = 1
week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IPR to be forward to the IESG.

The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document t= o
the IESG.=C2=A0 All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additiona= l IPR
beyond this IPR.

In your discussion please comment on:
1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments= ,

2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR.
3) This draft

This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receiv= e
enough approvals for this draft with the IPR.

Susan Hares


-----Original Message-----
From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM
To: draft-ietf-t= rill-address-flush@ietf.org
Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statemen= t
about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush

Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL= :
Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submi= tted to the
IETF Secretariat on=C2=A0 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Int= ellectual
Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title o= f the IPR disclosure is
"Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-trill-address-flush"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat

_______________________________________________
trill mailing list
trill@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill


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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 04:02:56 -0000 --001a114dbe5ceacce6055ff47d45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Regards, Umair On Dec 10, 2017 8:38 AM, "Donald Eastlake" wrote: > I do not know of any IPR other than that disclosed. > > As an author I believe the draft is acceptable with the IPR disclosed. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > >> This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process. This begins a 1 >> week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the >> IPR to be forward to the IESG. >> >> The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document >> to >> the IESG. All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additional >> IPR >> beyond this IPR. >> >> In your discussion please comment on: >> 1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL >> Deployments, >> >> 2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR. >> 3) This draft >> >> This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not >> receive >> enough approvals for this draft with the IPR. >> >> Susan Hares >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat >> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM >> To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org >> Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org >> Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement >> about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush >> >> Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair: >> >> >> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL: >> Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted to >> the >> IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual >> Property Rights Disclosures" >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR >> disclosure is >> "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to >> draft-ietf-trill-address-flush" >> >> >> Thank you >> >> IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> trill mailing list >> trill@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > --001a114dbe5ceacce6055ff47d45 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Regards,
Umair=

On De= c 10, 2017 8:38 AM, "Donald Eastlake" <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not know of any IPR other th= an that disclosed.

As an author I believe the draft is a= cceptable with the IPR disclosed.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
= =C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Bea= ver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares= <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
Th= is IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process.=C2=A0 This begins a = 1
week consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IPR to be forward to the IESG.

The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document t= o
the IESG.=C2=A0 All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additiona= l IPR
beyond this IPR.

In your discussion please comment on:
1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments= ,

2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR.
3) This draft

This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receiv= e
enough approvals for this draft with the IPR.

Susan Hares


-----Original Message-----
From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM
To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org
Cc: ipr-announce= @ietf.org; trill@ie= tf.org
Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statemen= t
about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush

Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL= :
Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submi= tted to the
IETF Secretariat on=C2=A0 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Int= ellectual
Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title o= f the IPR disclosure is
"Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-trill-address-flush"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat

_______________________________________________
trill mailing list
trill@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill



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--001a114dbe5ceacce6055ff47d45-- From nobody Sun Dec 10 13:32:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DE81241F5; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joseph Salowey To: Cc: trill@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151294155757.21877.6840749517796253347@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:32:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-10 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:32:37 -0000 Reviewer: Joseph Salowey Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Document is ready with issues. I think the document has appropriate security considerations. One issue I see in the document is that in the intro it states: "The basic idea is that all ingress RBridges send BUM traffic to a centralized node, which SHOULD be a distribution tree root, using unicast TRILL encapsulation." In section 3 it states : "The centralized node MUST be a distribution tree root." The MUST and SHOULD seem to be at odds here. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:23:47 -0000 I do not know of any IPR other than that disclosed. I think the draft is acceptable with the IPR disclosed as an co-author. Rgds, Yizhou -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 11:30 PM To: trill@ietf.org Cc: 'Donald Eastlake' ; 'Jon Hudson' ; 'Alia Atlas' Subject: [trill] WG LC to consider IPR on draft-ietf-trill-address-flush (1= 2/7 to 12/15) This IPR disclosure comes at a late time in the process. This begins a 1 w= eek consideration on whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the IP= R to be forward to the IESG.=20 The WG will need a substantial positive response to forward this document t= o the IESG. All authors should re-affirm that they know of no additional I= PR beyond this IPR.=20 In your discussion please comment on:=20 1) This draft with the IPR provides a valuable service to TRILL Deployments= , 2) This draft is acceptable with the IPR.=20 3) This draft=20 This WG LC may re-open the discussion on the technology if we do not receiv= e enough approvals for this draft with the IPR. Susan Hares -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@ietf.org Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement ab= out IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush Dear Hao Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRILL: Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) was submitted to th= e IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectua= l Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). The title of the IPR disclosure i= s "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-= trill-address-flush" Thank you IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill _______________________________________________ trill mailing list trill@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill From nobody Sun Dec 10 20:28:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319E9127522 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:28:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgotBnq-VIWD for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.tom.com (smtprz14.163.net [106.3.154.247]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A97611200CF for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.tom.com (unknown [172.25.16.41]) by my-app01.tom.com (SMTP) with ESMTP id D348E1B005B7 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:33:27 +0800 (CST) Authentication-Results: my-fxspam02 smtp.user=honjun.zhai@tom.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [172.25.16.114] ([172.25.16.114:22730] helo=rz-web1) by my-fxspam02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id 33/E0-27032-7490E2A5; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:27:51 +0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:28:17 +0800 (CST) From: =?UTF-8?B?aG9uanVuLnpoYWk=?= To: =?UTF-8?B?RG9uYWxkIEVhc3RsYWtl?= , shares@ndzh.com Cc: akatlas@gmail.com, jon.hudson@gmail.com, trill@ietf.org Message-ID: <1996888880.2983.1512966497829.JavaMail.root@rz-web1> In-Reply-To: References: <014901d36f70$4f4ea210$edebe630$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2981_817414375.1512966497828" X-Mailer: TOMWEBMAIL 2.0 Oa: 0 Originating-IP: 223.112.6.194 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] =?utf-8?q?WG_LC_to_consider_IPR_on_draft-ietf-trill-addr?= =?utf-8?q?ess-flush_=2812/7_to_12/15=29?= X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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I support moving it forward. It is a useful feature in deployment to = reduce the address inconsistency lasting time

Hongjun Zhai

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Jiangning District, Nanjing City, People's Republic of China

Mobile: +086-025-5287-7345

Email: honjun.zhai@tom.com

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=E4=BA=8E 2017-12-10 11:07:44,Donald East= lake=E5=86=99=E9=81=93:
I do not know of any IPR other than that disc= losed.

As an author I believe the draft is acceptable = with the IPR disclosed.

Tha= nks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 Donald E. Eastlake 3r= d   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 0= 1757 USA
 d= 3e3e3@gmail.com

On Thu, Dec= 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
This IPR disclosure comes at a= late time in the process.  This begins a 1
week consideration on= whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the
IPR to be forward= to the IESG.

The WG will need a substantial positive response t= o forward this document to
the IESG.  All authors should re-affir= m that they know of no additional IPR
beyond this IPR.

In y= our discussion please comment on:
1) This draft with the IPR provides = a valuable service to TRILL Deployments,

2) This draft is accept= able with the IPR.
3) This draft

This WG LC may re-open the= discussion on the technology if we do not receive
enough approvals fo= r this draft with the IPR.

Susan Hares


-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF SecretariatSent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM
To: draft-ietf-trill-address-flush@iet= f.org
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Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statementabout IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush

Dear Hao= Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRI= LL:
Address Flush Message" (draft-ietf-trill-address-flush) = was submitted to the
IETF Secretariat on  and has been posted on = the "IETF Page of Intellectual
Property Rights Disclosures"<= br />(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3114/). = The title of the IPR disclosure is
"Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's= Statement about IPR related to
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I support moving it forward. It is a useful feature in deployment to = reduce the address inconsistency lasting time

Hongjun Zhai

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Mobile: +086-025-5287-7345

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=E4=BA=8E 2017-12-10 11:07:44,Donald East= lake=E5=86=99=E9=81=93:
I do not know of any IPR other than that disc= losed.

As an author I believe the draft is acceptable = with the IPR disclosed.

Tha= nks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 Donald E. Eastlake 3r= d   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 0= 1757 USA
 d= 3e3e3@gmail.com

On Thu, Dec= 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
This IPR disclosure comes at a= late time in the process.  This begins a 1
week consideration on= whether the WG wants to approve this draft with the
IPR to be forward= to the IESG.

The WG will need a substantial positive response t= o forward this document to
the IESG.  All authors should re-affir= m that they know of no additional IPR
beyond this IPR.

In y= our discussion please comment on:
1) This draft with the IPR provides = a valuable service to TRILL Deployments,

2) This draft is accept= able with the IPR.
3) This draft

This WG LC may re-open the= discussion on the technology if we do not receive
enough approvals fo= r this draft with the IPR.

Susan Hares


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From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF SecretariatSent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:08 PM
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Subject: [trill] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statementabout IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-address-flush

Dear Hao= Weiguo, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Li Yizhou, Mohammed Umair:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TRI= LL:
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"Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's= Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-trill-address-flush&qu= ot;


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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:12:35 -0000 --001a113d2f88fe9adc05602b1b05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Joseph, Thanks for the review, see below. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Joseph Salowey wrote: > Reviewer: Joseph Salowey > Review result: Has Issues > > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the > IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the > security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat > these comments just like any other last call comments. > > Document is ready with issues. > > I think the document has appropriate security considerations. > > One issue I see in the document is that in the intro it states: > "The basic idea is that all ingress RBridges send BUM traffic to a > centralized > node, which SHOULD be a distribution tree root, using unicast TRILL > encapsulation." In section 3 it states : "The centralized node MUST be a > distribution tree root." > > The MUST and SHOULD seem to be at odds here. > Indeed, a number of "SHOULD"s were changed in a recent revision to "MUST"s and it looks like one of the most prominent, in the Abstract, was overlooked. Thanks, Donald (document shepherd) =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --001a113d2f88fe9adc05602b1b05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the review, see b= elow.

On Sun= , Dec 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wr= ote:
Reviewer: Joseph = Salowey
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.=C2=A0 These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors.=C2=A0 Document editors and WG chairs should treat<= br> these comments just like any other last call comments.

Document is ready with issues.

I think the document has appropriate security considerations.

One issue I see in the document is that in the intro it states:
"The basic idea is that all ingress RBridges send BUM traffic to a cen= tralized
node, which SHOULD be a distribution tree root, using unicast TRILL
encapsulation." In section 3 it states : "The centralized node MU= ST be a
distribution tree root."

The MUST and SHOULD seem to be at odds here.

Indeed, a number of "SHOULD"s were changed in a recent revi= sion to "MUST"s and it looks like one of the most prominent, in t= he Abstract, was overlooked.

Thanks,
Donald (document shepherd)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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--001a113d2f88fe9adc05602b1b05-- From nobody Sun Dec 17 17:52:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7C7126B6E; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151356194420.28777.12332679593602283026@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:52:24 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 01:52:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. Title : Centralized Replication for Active-Active BUM Traffic Authors : Weiguo Hao Yizhou Li Muhammad Durrani Sujay Gupta Andrew Qu Filename : draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-12-17 Abstract: In TRILL active-active access, an RPF (Reverse Path Forwarding) check failure issue may occur when using the pseudo-nickname mechanism specified in RFC 7781. This draft describes a solution to resolve this RPF check failure issue through centralized replication. All ingress RBridges send BUM (Broadcast, Unknown unicast and Multicast) traffic to a centralized node with unicast TRILL encapsulation. When the centralized node receives the BUM traffic, it decapsulates the packets and forwards them to their destination RBridges using a distribution tree established as per TRILL base protocol RFC 6325. To avoid RPF check failure on a RBridge sitting between the ingress RBridge and the centralized replication node, some change in the RPF calculation algorithm is required. RPF checks on each RBridge MUST be calculated as if the centralized node was the ingress RBridge, instead of being calculated using the actual ingress RBridge. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:23:44 -0000 --94eb2c03222ad727c40560a3f68e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-trill-resilient-trees-08. First, I would like to thank the authors Mingui, Tissa, Janardhanan, Ayan, and Anoop for their work on this document. Unfortunately, I have several serious concerns about this document. First, and most importantly, there is not a clear and mandatory algorithm for computing the backup distribution trees that is given. Sec 3.2.1.1 provides a recommendation that is still not fully specified. I do see the idea that the root of a backup distribution tree need not be the same as the root of the primary distribution tree - but I see no indication of what decides which the root is. Perhaps it is the root of the primary distribution tree? What is computing the backup distribution trees? My assumption is that each RBridge does. Can a backup distribution tree be associated with only one primary distribution tree? Second, I don't believe that the suggested algorithm of raising the link costs for links used in a primary distribution tree will work to find maximally disparate paths. Consider the simpler case with Suurballe's algorithm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suurballe's_algorithm) that is just looking for 2 disparate paths. In that example, the shortest path is A-B-D-F which gives no disjoint path between A and F - but different pairs of paths are possible. Obviously MRT (RFC7811) solves this issue - and it is possible to have different roots for the RED and BLUE trees by simply creating a proxy node that attaches to the potential roots. There may be a bit of work to be done - but it is similar to other proxy nodes used in RFC7811 and RFC7812. You may have different solutions - and that is fine - but failing to fully specify an algorithm and having what is specified not work is not ok. Third, pulling back and clearly explaining the different pieces of this technology is badly needed. For instance: (a) The root for a multicast distribution tree computes a backup distribution tree and identifies the root to use. (b) A PLR determines the backup distribution tree (how?) (c) Each RBridge computes its part of the backup distribution tree - by pinning specific links into the backup distribution tree as advertised as affinity links (??) (d) Is traffic looked for on the backup distribution tree? How does a merge point/receiver make that decision? Some of these details are in the draft - but it is quite hard to pull out clearly. Are there any implementations of this draft? Regards, Alia --94eb2c03222ad727c40560a3f68e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As is customary, I have done my AD review of=C2=A0draft-ie= tf-trill-resilient-trees-08.
First, I would like to thank the authors M= ingui, Tissa, Janardhanan, Ayan, and Anoop
for their work on this= document.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Unfortunately, I have sever= al serious concerns about this document.

First, an= d most importantly, there is not a clear and mandatory algorithm for comput= ing the backup distribution trees that is given. Sec 3.2.1.1 provides a rec= ommendation that is still not fully specified.
I do see the idea = that the root of a backup distribution tree need not be the same as the roo= t of the primary distribution tree - but I see no indication of what decide= s which the root is.=C2=A0 Perhaps it is the root of the primary distributi= on tree?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What is computing the backup distribution trees?=C2= =A0 My assumption is that each RBridge does.=C2=A0 Can=C2=A0 a backup distr= ibution tree be associated with only one primary distribution tree?=C2=A0

Second, I don't believe that the suggested algo= rithm of raising the link costs for links used in a primary distribution tr= ee will work to find maximally disparate paths.=C2=A0 Consider the simpler = case with Suurballe's algorithm=C2=A0 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suurballe= 's_algorithm) that is just looking for 2 disparate paths.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0In that example, the shortest path is A-B-D-F which gives no disjoint pa= th between A and F - but different pairs of paths are possible.
<= br>
Obviously MRT (RFC7811) solves this issue - and it is possibl= e to have different roots for the RED and BLUE trees by simply creating a p= roxy node that attaches to the potential roots.=C2=A0 There may be a bit of= work to be done - but it is similar to other proxy nodes used in RFC7811 a= nd RFC7812.

You may have different solutions -= and that is fine - but failing to fully specify an algorithm and having wh= at is specified not work is not ok.

Third, pulling= back and clearly explaining the different pieces of this technology is bad= ly needed.=C2=A0 For instance:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (a) The root for a m= ulticast distribution tree computes a backup distribution tree and identifi= es the root to use.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (b) A PLR determines the backup= distribution tree (how?)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (c) Each RBridge computes= its part of the backup distribution tree - by pinning specific links into = the backup distribution tree as advertised as affinity links (??)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (d) Is traffic looked for on the backup distribution tree?= =C2=A0 How does a merge point/receiver make that decision?

Some of these details are in the draft - but it is quite hard to p= ull out clearly.

Are there any implementations of = this draft?

Regards,
Alia

=



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As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-tr= ill-p2mp-bfd-06. I would first like to thank the authors - Mingui, Santosh,= and Vengada - as well as the WG for their work on this document.
<= br>
My primary concern is that this document currently has a norm= ative dependency on draft-ietf-trill-resilient-trees-08.=C2=A0 I do not und= erstand why.=C2=A0 I can certainly see it being useful as an informative re= ference for how p2mp BFD might be useful in a TRILL network - but I don'= ;t see a need to understand or implement that draft to support this technol= ogy.=C2=A0 Text in this draft=C2=A0(e.g. "If the head is keeping track= of some or all of the tails=C2=A0[I-D.ietf-trill-resilient-trees], it has = a session of type MultipointClient per tail that it cares about=C2=A0[I-D.i= etf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail].") could use improvement - such as &qu= ot;An example use is when a multicast tree root needs to keep track of all = the receivers as in [I-D.ietf-trill-resilient-trees]; this can be done by m= aintaining a session of type MultipointClient per receiver that is of inter= est, as described in [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail]."

I am going to request IETF Last Call for this draft - with = it being extra long due to the holidays - and expect an update from the aut= hors.

Regards,
Alia

--f403043dfec0bb6a190560a448dc-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 13:56:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17872124B0A; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:56:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: Susan Hares , akatlas@gmail.com, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151363419605.13421.1193411510818243917.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:56:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Last Call: (TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:56:36 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG (trill) to consider the following document: - 'TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-01-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Point to multipoint (P2MP) BFD is designed to verify multipoint connectivity. This document specifies the support of P2MP BFD in TRILL. Similar to TRILL point-to-point BFD, BFD Control packets in TRILL P2MP BFD are transmitted using RBridge Channel message. This document updates RFC 7175 and RFC 7177. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail: BFD Multipoint Active Tails. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 04:00:03 -0000 Hi Alia, Thanks for your review and comments. We'll see what we can do to improve the draft. Donald (document Shepherd) =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-trill-resilient-trees-08. > First, I would like to thank the authors Mingui, Tissa, Janardhanan, Ayan, > and Anoop > for their work on this document. > > Unfortunately, I have several serious concerns about this document. > > First, and most importantly, there is not a clear and mandatory algorithm > for computing the backup distribution trees that is given. Sec 3.2.1.1 > provides a recommendation that is still not fully specified. > I do see the idea that the root of a backup distribution tree need not be > the same as the root of the primary distribution tree - but I see no > indication of what decides which the root is. Perhaps it is the root of the > primary distribution tree? What is computing the backup distribution > trees? My assumption is that each RBridge does. Can a backup distribution > tree be associated with only one primary distribution tree? > > Second, I don't believe that the suggested algorithm of raising the link > costs for links used in a primary distribution tree will work to find > maximally disparate paths. Consider the simpler case with Suurballe's > algorithm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suurballe's_algorithm) that is > just looking for 2 disparate paths. In that example, the shortest path is > A-B-D-F which gives no disjoint path between A and F - but different pairs > of paths are possible. > > Obviously MRT (RFC7811) solves this issue - and it is possible to have > different roots for the RED and BLUE trees by simply creating a proxy node > that attaches to the potential roots. There may be a bit of work to be done > - but it is similar to other proxy nodes used in RFC7811 and RFC7812. > > You may have different solutions - and that is fine - but failing to fully > specify an algorithm and having what is specified not work is not ok. > > Third, pulling back and clearly explaining the different pieces of this > technology is badly needed. For instance: > (a) The root for a multicast distribution tree computes a backup > distribution tree and identifies the root to use. > (b) A PLR determines the backup distribution tree (how?) > (c) Each RBridge computes its part of the backup distribution tree - by > pinning specific links into the backup distribution tree as advertised as > affinity links (??) > (d) Is traffic looked for on the backup distribution tree? How does a > merge point/receiver make that decision? > > Some of these details are in the draft - but it is quite hard to pull out > clearly. > > Are there any implementations of this draft? > > Regards, > Alia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > From nobody Mon Dec 18 22:13:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA561275F4 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gaoFMWQmsaT for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1341205F0 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id r6so1471163itr.3 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jv2Bd74aSCOIpdAU7xtEX4/3wSZJ3c6YLBRdAghq2sA=; b=br35RDaRoD+uCboG5ETsHpO2jpPCZ7+qCe1ue7+NZ8Iw9a2sr/1YWowuoFJlXyq692 fbnQB1MG8ka3WV0EdhgeRt1dDd+PP/tElIuMyKK1SW5gu5sf/772m/K2dBTwnk7xsREp 81AfKRtKc1jPMzWUN6ca+bPNIhDnoNdgcEIE7JQkPA1vgPf1EBJMnnTTAeywN6yMWpiH N2GYB9FHxtYJHwDX6vitQEgN1znpI+pSF4aSyNKGmyqwi8lfRXIZT2tmaXFEbXMCgGrC 7yvULL5F58vv4iKmUpfy4mCyPZAae98i5MIW1FrNflizE49e++GZIloiOvHYBiZeZWJw Ovpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jv2Bd74aSCOIpdAU7xtEX4/3wSZJ3c6YLBRdAghq2sA=; b=BUpQ4BIK/LAJXiqnUaaR7OdyKgIw0WMyOQY9TZRnx7txET5FtNfFvM14aEIP6CV6HK Hi8dLobMIBC96jeNxFZ+AC4+TpxQlnEsxQ/gvF2+JmMTJ5UrKPK22vlhNYKMezgglARO 56iDWAu5EWbSAXawTm6XooVBXIiPPglZO7bbxfYLKhFwx8Ne1r0FdXHjXmdjm+XJgxR9 6DbXqfBLUTG2UOhsII/buWN3/e1BnPHzeZGYiCYcCA2hQ7cy+yN45YB50qdfIgpJLDH0 B/aEo1kAZA3WJxj13QY7FsGLKseM8JgOLS6Jz1njrBCrKqinM5vyN8r1YEqigcXZ8xxb kcOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIdLOpHFRHQItBBXuOgsJ1iHc6Nv6gR9ZEbX7l/AICjNgLx9l1Y mnZgo0y625kb3ple0TA17/3T43/TZyhYJmO5m+s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBos6ZP2JQz0ibq5e2WlMFM1KkEBLudagp532oUGOwWqvBXSG0zNNqzWDCG2cwh1KLireGHTuJoz/5I/QitvqWQU= X-Received: by 10.36.83.133 with SMTP id n127mr2099880itb.60.1513663996999; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.118.214 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Radia Perlman Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:13:16 -0800 Message-ID: To: R Parameswaran Cc: trill@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114400a2d9bcd70560ab5c7d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] Working group LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 (9/27 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 06:13:20 -0000 --001a114400a2d9bcd70560ab5c7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I too support the publication of this document. The document seems well written. Although I get nervous about features that can create loops if misconfigured, this is not a problem with using this feature for TRILL any more than using IS-IS for IP. Since people seem to have it successfully deployed for IP, and find it useful, it should be equally useful for TRILL. I think the draft is ready for publication. Radia On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:57 PM, R Parameswaran wrote: > > Hi, > > I support the adoption/standardization of this draft. Comments inline. > > thanks, > > Ramkumar > > > > This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04.txt. > During this WG last call please include comment on the following three > things in addition to your normal comments: > > 1) Does this draft support the things you desire to support multiple > topology routing of unicast and multi-destination traffic in TRILL? > > [RP]: Yes. > > > 2) Do you think this draft is read for publication? > > [RP]: Yes, quick look-through, seems correct. > > 3) Do you think that multi-topology trill has a place in the data > center deployments of TRILL? > > [RP] Yes. > > > Sue Hares and Jon Hudson > > Co-chairs TRILL > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > trill mailing list > trill@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trill > > --001a114400a2d9bcd70560ab5c7d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too support the publication of this document.=C2=A0 The = document seems well written.=C2=A0 Although I get nervous about features th= at can create loops if misconfigured, this is not a problem with using this= feature for TRILL any more than using IS-IS for IP.=C2=A0 Since people see= m to have it successfully deployed for IP, and find it useful, it should be= equally useful for TRILL.

I think the draft is ready fo= r publication.

Radia

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:57 PM, R = Parameswaran <parameswaran.r7@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


Hi=
,

I support the adoption/standardization of this draft. Comments  in=
line.

thanks,
Ramkumar


This begins a 2 we=
ek WG LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04.txt.
During this WG last call please include comment on the following three
things in addition to your normal comments:

1)      Does this draft support the things you desire to support multiple
topology routing of unicast and multi-destination traffic in TRILL?

=

[RP]: Yes.

=C2=A02)      Do you think=
 this draft is read for publication? 

[RP]: Yes, quick look-through,=
 seems correct.=20

3)      Do you think that multi-topology trill has a place in the data
center deployments of TRILL?

[RP] Yes.

=C2=A0Sue Hares and Jon Hudson=20

Co-chairs TRILL=20






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--_000_D408889639FC5E4FADB4E00A3E01FA8FA6B33DADnkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Mon Dec 25 22:21:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADA6124B17 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 22:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e5gFsBaDJIVu for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 22:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A89A120727 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 22:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3FBD1150799E for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 06:20:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.231]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 14:20:48 +0800 From: "Zhuangyan (Yan)" To: Susan Hares , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [trill] WG Adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-vendor-channel (11/15 to 11/29) Thread-Index: AdN+ENchB3zpJJyoRuezr3NrONuIMg== Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 06:20:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A9681193@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.170.230] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A9681193nkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] WG Adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-vendor-channel (11/15 to 11/29) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 06:20:59 -0000 --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A9681193nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of IPR related to this draft and I think it is useful to hav= e and ready for standardization. Best Regards, Yan -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:45 AM To: trill at ietf.org Subject: [trill] WG Adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-vendor-channel (= 11/15 to 11/29) TRILL WG: This is a WG adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-vendor-channel-03.txt (= 11/15 to 11/29). In this WG Adoption call please consider, 1) Is this vendor specific message channel useful to deployments? 2) Is this mechanism ready for standardization? The TRILL WG group mu= st move rapidly from adoption of this draft to WG LC in December? 3) Do you know of any IPR related to this draft? Susan Hares --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A9681193nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not aware of IPR related to this draft and I th= ink it is useful to have and ready for standardization.

 

Best Regards,

 

Yan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces at ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:45 AM
To: trill at ietf.org
Subject: [trill] WG Adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-vendor-ch= annel (11/15 to 11/29)

 

TRILL WG:

 

This is a WG adoption call for draft-eastlake-trill-= vendor-channel-03.txt (11/15 to 11/29).

 

In this WG Adoption call please consider,

 

1)      Is this vendor spec= ific message channel useful to deployments?

2)      Is this mechanism r= eady for standardization?  The TRILL WG group must move rapidly from a= doption of this draft to WG LC in December?

3)      Do you know of any = IPR related to this draft?

 

Susan Hares

--_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A9681193nkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Dec 26 02:42:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7D1201F2 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:42:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxrP47xZ4oDm for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7EA51200F1 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id CD04D73B12E90 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:42:12 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.231]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 18:42:10 +0800 From: "Zhuangyan (Yan)" To: Susan Hares , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [trill] Working group LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 (9/27 Thread-Index: AdN+NZ82r8qazdHpRx6ot8LR5lvQIQ== Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:42:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A968123C@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.170.230] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A968123Cnkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] Working group LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04 (9/27 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:42:17 -0000 --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A968123Cnkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the work in this draft and the document is ready for publication. Best Regards, Yan -----Original Message----- From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Radia Perlman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:13 PM To: R Parameswaran Cc: Donald Eastlake ; trill at ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Working group LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04= (9/27 This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topology-04.txt. Duri= ng this WG last call please include comment on the following three things i= n addition to your normal comments: 1) Does this draft support the things you desire to support multiple t= opology routing of unicast and multi-destination traffic in TRILL? 2) Do you think this draft is read for publication? 3) Do you think that multi-topology trill has a place in the data cent= er deployments of TRILL? Sue Hares and Jon Hudson Co-chairs TRILL --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A968123Cnkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the work in this draft and the document is= ready for publication.

 

Best Regards,

 

Yan

 

-----Original Message-----

From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces at ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Radia Perlman
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:13 PM
To: R Parameswaran <parameswaran.r7 at gmail.com>
Cc: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3 at gmail.com>; trill at ietf.org Subject: Re: [trill] Working group LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi-topo= logy-04 (9/27

 

This begins a 2 week WG LC on draft-ietf-trill-multi= -topology-04.txt.  During this WG last call please include comment on = the following three things in addition to your normal comments:<= /p>

1)      Does this draft sup= port the things you desire to support multiple topology routing of unicast = and multi-destination traffic in TRILL?

2)      Do you think this d= raft is read for publication?

3)      Do you think that m= ulti-topology trill has a place in the data center deployments of TRILL?

 

Sue Hares and Jon Hudson

Co-chairs TRILL

--_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A968123Cnkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Dec 26 17:25:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDBB126CD6; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:25:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151433791291.29713.9761391176289302806@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:25:12 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07.txt X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 01:25:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG of the IETF. Title : TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD Authors : Mingui Zhang Santosh Pallagatti Vengada Prasad Govindan Filename : draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2017-12-26 Abstract: Point to multipoint (P2MP) BFD is designed to verify multipoint connectivity. This document specifies the support of P2MP BFD in TRILL. Similar to TRILL point-to-point BFD, BFD Control packets in TRILL P2MP BFD are transmitted using RBridge Channel message. This document updates RFC 7175 and RFC 7177. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 26 17:32:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9233D126CD6; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-MdE6gsLu4T; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FE94126B7F; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id F26CD18198810; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 01:32:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 01:32:10 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:32:05 +0800 From: "Zhangmingui (Martin)" To: Alia Atlas , "draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd@ietf.org" , "trill@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-06 Thread-Index: AQHTeEm1YQtMBc8UR06VDxg1Ae1N16NWctcQ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 01:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7AAF89713@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.146.93] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7AAF89713NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] AD review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-06 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication@ietf.org, trill-chairs@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151439185995.29835.13861173772429184210.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:24:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:24:20 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No TSV concerns from me, but I was interested in the MUST/SHOULD mismatch that Joseph Salowey mentioned in his review of -10. I didn't see a change about that in -11. I'm assuming the right thing will happen after the holidays, so no Discuss :-) ... From nobody Thu Dec 28 06:54:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietf.org Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0481412D949; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 06:54:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephen Farrell To: Cc: draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151447284096.3404.9799585674492282627@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 06:54:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [trill] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 14:54:01 -0000 Reviewer: Stephen Farrell Review result: Has Issues Mostly this draft is just bookkeeping so BFD can use trill's P2MP capabilities. I think there is one issue to consider, though since I've not read all the referenced documents in detail, I'm open to correction as to whether or not this is a real issue. IIRC, BFD has some pretty crappy "authentication" schemes, such as allowing a cleartext password, and not using HMAC when doing keyed hashes. That's been justified by performance and implementation requirements for BFD. (Not that I ever found those justifications that satisfactory myself:-) I don't think TRILL has the same issues in that (again IIRC) TRILL doesn't define such "dodgy" schemes, so that leads me to wonder if this text is really correct/wise: "...there is little reason to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at this time..." I'd have thought that avoiding the more-dodgy BFD mechanisms would be a reason for using TRILL authentication mechanisms. In addition, it's not clear (to me) from the draft if the security assumptions made for BFD still hold in the environments where TRILL is likely to be used. If not, then that'd be another reason to argue that TRILL authentication ought be used. From nobody Fri Dec 29 15:37:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F12126D0C; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3IowQt14guZ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x233.google.com (mail-ot0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CAE71200F1; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x233.google.com with SMTP id v40so27964510ote.13; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iSCCSylnMx8wvQxmZ2eIZ1exYkYZ/Z/Yciv5GiB/828=; b=OhGbJJxZuEyDqiXniH9J/2Bs3e5YDTU0F6ypjmoIJglXrOZ1505QQy2urcIPocunpm kKoDmRS8FZ8d2HAXdAMJT9ha9iti0u3yZlzrzxlPsEzYTlPc4BvnYa/abPDEqU90P8Nd i6wL7LKtHZxJo6xvYusBd+ClazxUjE0dt+Eyyx2eTcH6oqAcMLrX27c32+1l4GHL41PB bZ3voi8OktjLmAay5H4Zjm4uDpKmdkF2SGlXcVzRu/S42C9OB2yCkXXDZN4be6kCwCK5 3NO+urkr/BGfqUnaYFoJrdhtflBtpQ8m/4AKC28Men7+QXziN3XbYm/oOozfvitaaSDD HkHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iSCCSylnMx8wvQxmZ2eIZ1exYkYZ/Z/Yciv5GiB/828=; b=RsbGg8uR9EWaE+/JuTMJO6eaqk2bFxy40qvymtwGb1gYN3AiHr00L8pOjXbppVO2A7 uZCCrfJ/gP7RE59W+tZeKyRyMdUOuXwK6/gVFK8DsKBYwYmk3YjodfJEWNbe0g8eoh5C uDpkEL25YsBz68U1AGoVK2oNowdng6lzHtEjAr0OMZTKr18h5dxlPbCva4evpsvrY7W0 /cx3iBs8AxgZ0u6Lqm5zsQ2p868o09WhGXOf3VfjORh5eHD8vQXlNa+XANnEnVCaSwSh PJPyI3ANO2ajQjsa4OtTAEPExS2tN0hg5fD3Yvzse0AOidcnqJWl3j+JsudhxQJEUCm6 XgSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIc0ZQUgV9/ybLrAKC261skSC3SKL2E15MhIZYBXIJIU2lfZWPv KRtXkMdQQfrTEveLUYB6W6P7LMnwRSZaDp1nKiewU1rr X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovyh5d6yNHH0opdFi+k+a7IK8oCjleZ0Ffwl6gxAOWR02rwPwE4t9JNF3XlVvhZfBUhOFnD6BBgJtjdeX4LtEw= X-Received: by 10.157.66.233 with SMTP id c38mr29899671otj.332.1514590659213; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.53.129 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151447284096.3404.9799585674492282627@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151447284096.3404.9799585674492282627@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 18:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stephen Farrell Cc: secdir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd.all@ietf.org, IETF Discussion , trill@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:37:41 -0000 Hi Stephen, Thanks for your review. On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Reviewer: Stephen Farrell > Review result: Has Issues > > Mostly this draft is just bookkeeping so BFD can use trill's P2MP > capabilities. > > I think there is one issue to consider, though since I've not read all the > referenced documents in detail, I'm open to correction as to whether or > not this is a real issue. > > IIRC, BFD has some pretty crappy "authentication" schemes, such as > allowing a cleartext password, and not using HMAC when doing keyed > hashes. That's been justified by performance and implementation > requirements for BFD. (Not that I ever found those justifications that > satisfactory myself:-) I don't think TRILL has the same issues in > that (again IIRC) TRILL doesn't define such "dodgy" schemes, so that > leads me to wonder if this text is really correct/wise: The BFD standard was adopted in 2010 and does indicate that its keyed SHA1 method is strongest and points designers of future BFD authentication types towards HMAC... > "...there is little reason to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at > this time..." > > I'd have thought that avoiding the more-dodgy BFD mechanisms would > be a reason for using TRILL authentication mechanisms. TRILL essentially clones the IS-IS cryptographic authentication mechanisms which do use HMAC (RFC5310). > In addition, it's not clear (to me) from the draft if the security > assumptions made for BFD still hold in the environments where > TRILL is likely to be used. If not, then that'd be another reason to > argue that TRILL authentication ought be used. It seems to me that perhaps the direction of the recommendation should be flipped so that RFC 7978 authentication is recommended over BFD multipoint authentication. Maybe something like: OLD However, [RFC7978], while it provides both authentication and encryption for point-to- point extended RBridge Channel messages, provides only authentication for multipoint RBridge Channel messages. Thus, there is little reason to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at this time. However, it is expected that a future document will provide for group keying; when that occurs, the use of RBridge Channel security will also be able to provide encryption and may be desirable. NEW [RFC7978] provides encryption only for point-to-point extended RBridge Channel messages so its encryption facilities are not applicable to this draft. However [RFC7978] provides stronger authentication than that currently provided in BFD. Thus, there is little reason to use the BFD security mechanisms if [RFC7978] authentication is in use. It is expected that a future TRILL document will provide for group keying; when that occurs, the use of [RFC7978] RBridge Channel security will be able to provide both encryption and authentication. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Fri Dec 29 15:53:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trill@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95861201F8; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:53:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMzgklOTaBfl; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9025A1200F1; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD23BDF9; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:53:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfZfLYhNpKsx; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.244.2.100] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4A41BDD8; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:53:06 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1514591587; bh=41ZzSPdm0AcjExy/oA/loYrZofaoEYTjhr8raK7ABlM=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=tKz+sw/PzeI9CRwaCnFLNc5UvHjTvkZ9o2u47Knac6yuTzrGQZr+J+pO3NUPxugKA HdRo68pHghDnh52eIKTB5FFWd/JmRXLSon7ixnYEI8vZEP7M0WcZUwTRZu6BBEH1nE yc141KBdMjePFLKyjYCbjQEavE0/PpsjjNxCRM2U= To: Donald Eastlake Cc: secdir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd.all@ietf.org, IETF Discussion , trill@ietf.org References: <151447284096.3404.9799585674492282627@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=5BB5A6EA5765D2C5863CAE275AB2FAF17B172BEA; url= Message-ID: <9064e8bb-57d8-04ad-a515-3114323c4052@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:53:06 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H6MWkScb7Uw75HAxmriRsWkyIT4pRWIMD" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [trill] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07 X-BeenThere: trill@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:53:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --H6MWkScb7Uw75HAxmriRsWkyIT4pRWIMD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GnHzUxiiDY7iCHy0TnphdNdnJQb7vL7AP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Donald Eastlake Cc: secdir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd.all@ietf.org, IETF Discussion , trill@ietf.org Message-ID: <9064e8bb-57d8-04ad-a515-3114323c4052@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-bfd-07 References: <151447284096.3404.9799585674492282627@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: --GnHzUxiiDY7iCHy0TnphdNdnJQb7vL7AP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8AEED5EE49EE4418C6E089D6" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8AEED5EE49EE4418C6E089D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, On 29/12/17 23:37, Donald Eastlake wrote: > OLD > However, [RFC7978], > while it provides both authentication and encryption for point-to- > point extended RBridge Channel messages, provides only authenticatio= n > for multipoint RBridge Channel messages. Thus, there is little reaso= n > to use the [RFC7978] security mechanisms at this time. However, it i= s > expected that a future document will provide for group keying; when > that occurs, the use of RBridge Channel security will also be able t= o > provide encryption and may be desirable. >=20 > NEW > [RFC7978] provides encryption only for point-to-point extended > RBridge Channel messages so its encryption facilities are not > applicable to this draft. However [RFC7978] provides stronger > authentication than that currently provided in BFD. Thus, there is > little reason to use the BFD security mechanisms if [RFC7978] > authentication is in use. It is expected that a future TRILL > document will provide for group keying; when that occurs, the use > of [RFC7978] RBridge Channel security will be able to provide both > encryption and authentication. Were that change acceptable to the WG, I'd be supportive, and it'd clearly solve what I thought was an issue with the current spec. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 01:39:24 -0000 Hi Spencer, On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-trill-centralized-replication-11: No Objection > >... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No TSV concerns from me, but I was interested in the MUST/SHOULD mismatch that > Joseph Salowey mentioned in his review of -10. I didn't see a change about that > in -11. It looks like there were two cases of a "SHOULD" that needed to be changed to a "MUST", one in the Abstract and one near the end of Section 1, the Introduction. Should (must?) be easy to fix. > I'm assuming the right thing will happen after the holidays, so no Discuss :-) > ... Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com