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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 28 01:50:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA553A6A39 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.023 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.023 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Vac4qs1RPdA for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CB63A6989 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8jpl7032390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6S8jp5I032389; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8joN2032383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldusseault@commerce.net) Received: from gateout02 (gwsmtp.usa.net [165.212.65.102]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA514BC99D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02 via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.44O) with ESMTP id XID947mgbitx2810Xo2; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN ldusseault@commerce.net GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID947mgbitx2810Xo2 Received: from lisa.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.23.68]) by GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:45:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> From: Lisa Dusseault To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:45:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[55C11A80:01C8F08E] Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version of draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on RFC1036. Since there has been no activity for at least six months, and the WGLC was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF Last Call. I will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to close any more issues and issue another version, that's even better, but I will request publication for -09 if that's the latest version issued by Aug 29. I do appreciate all the work that has gone into this and this action does not prevent future work, future RFCs etc. However, it looks like publishing this doc completes the work USEFOR was chartered to do, and I expect the USEFOR WG ought to close then, so further work would have to involve individual submissions (if appropriate) or a new WG. Thanks, Lisa Dusseault From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 28 09:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658DC28C1EA for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.362, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RiS6t4AqPi2Y for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469EF28C1EC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SGC6QS073847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SGC6pd073843; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SGC4uv073821 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3&clerew$man^ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488defd3.14a3.d7 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6SGC3gK022010 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6SGC3lb022006 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24776 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:14:31 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Lisa Dusseault writes: >I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version >of draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on >RFC1036. Since there has been no activity for at least six months, >and the WGLC was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF >Last Call. I will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to >close any more issues and issue another version, that's even better, >but I will request publication for -09 if that's the latest version >issued by Aug 29. The reason there has been no activity is that the cahirs have declined to poll the members on the main outstanding issue, to see whether or not there is a consensus one way or the other. There is just the one important outstanding technical issue AFAIAA. OTOH, the actual text, and some non-technical issues such as Security Considerations still require review. I remains, as always, willing to participate. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 28 10:33:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B4128C21B for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.518, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4Fv9X+FT1i0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E45828C13E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SHQsop080154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SHQsX5080153; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SHQpsX080145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from usenet-format@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KNWUh-0006Xi-LR for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from 212.82.251.180 ([212.82.251.180]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from nobody by 212.82.251.180 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:27:51 +0200 Organization: Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Reply-To: "Frank Ellermann" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.82.251.180 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Charles Lindsey wrote: =20 > as always, willing to participate. Remotely related, in conjunction with the "Expires:" revival for mail (discussed on the 822 list) I checked if usepro-09 says something about expires/expiration that could conflict with this proposal. As expected it doesn't. But I vaguely recall that Russ had a good explanation how a history works. Was it never added to the draft ? =20 Frank From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Jul 28 15:06:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFD43A6948 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hzykout7a9jm for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0473A6AE2 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SM2AV3003860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SM2ATq003859; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.22.28]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SM29Wm003852 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E28F2D6986; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.19.147]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFBF2D696F; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4167E78DA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Lisa Dusseault Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro In-Reply-To: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> (Lisa Dusseault's message of "Mon\, 28 Jul 2008 09\:45\:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Lisa Dusseault writes: > I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version of > draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on RFC1036. > Since there has been no activity for at least six months, and the WGLC > was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF Last Call. I > will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to close any more > issues and issue another version, that's even better, but I will request > publication for -09 if that's the latest version issued by Aug 29. I will release at least one newer draft that includes the explanation of how history works, since I believe that section is uncontroversial. I will try to do that soon. The remaining controversy is over Injection-Date handling. I think the WG reached a consensus that the language in -09 is not a good idea. I have one proposed replacement text and Charles has another. (Please someone else correct me if I got this wrong; it's been a long time. All I know for sure is that I have a replacement text.) I think either of those would be an improvement over the current text, which is muddled and not particularly clear. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Jul 29 04:15:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C467E3A6849 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.872, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UWeSryY1aA81 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876A23A6974 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TBC7Ju062597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6TBC7Rq062593; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TBC5Jj062561 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3*clerew$man#ac*uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488efb04.5ae3.3a8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6TBC40c004446 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6TBC4n6004443 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24779 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: #1416 (WAS: Plan to finish ...) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:06:55 GMT Lines: 38 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >The remaining controversy is over Injection-Date handling. I think the WG >reached a consensus that the language in -09 is not a good idea. I have >one proposed replacement text and Charles has another. (Please someone >else correct me if I got this wrong; it's been a long time. All I know >for sure is that I have a replacement text.) I think either of those >would be an improvement over the current text, which is muddled and not >particularly clear. The nature of Issue #1416 changed quite a bit over its lifetime. My original objection was overcome when Russ proposed to allow (and even require in some situations) User Agents to insert an Injection-Date, which was a neat solution. That left just one small worry. I wanted (version IC) Injection Agents to _always_ insert an Injection-Date (except when it was already present, of course). Russ argued (version IR) that this would sometimes cause existing implementations to behave oddly, and proposed a less-intuitive rule for when Injection Agents should insert it. To avoid repeating my summary yet again, I have put it up at I still claim that Russ's propblem will arise so rarely and affect so few readers (who might occasionally see the same article twice), that it is a reasonable payoff in view of the simpler protocol. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Jul 29 09:16:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1ABA3A69D6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.749, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Jxy-Q3R7Nyl for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699063A6905 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGCBaC091640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6TGCBvO091639; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGC4fL091611 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3^clerew#man#ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488f4153.6b48.1a8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6TGC3RF027740 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6TGC24P027735 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24780 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:42 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In "Frank Ellermann" writes: >Remotely related, in conjunction with the "Expires:" revival >for mail (discussed on the 822 list) I checked if usepro-09 >says something about expires/expiration that could conflict >with this proposal. >As expected it doesn't. But I vaguely recall that Russ had >a good explanation how a history works. Was it never added >to the draft ? There is no protocol action required when an Expires header is seen, so nothing for USEPRO to specify about it (it was not mentioned in the my earlier usepro[0-6] drafts either). Various Agents MAY (and probably will) act upon it, but that would be a matter for USEAGE, if we ever get that far. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGCBaC091640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6TGCBvO091639; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGC4fL091611 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3^clerew#man#ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488f4153.6b48.1a8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6TGC3RF027740 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6TGC24P027735 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24780 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:42 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In "Frank Ellermann" writes: >Remotely related, in conjunction with the "Expires:" revival >for mail (discussed on the 822 list) I checked if usepro-09 >says something about expires/expiration that could conflict >with this proposal. >As expected it doesn't. But I vaguely recall that Russ had >a good explanation how a history works. Was it never added >to the draft ? There is no protocol action required when an Expires header is seen, so nothing for USEPRO to specify about it (it was not mentioned in the my earlier usepro[0-6] drafts either). Various Agents MAY (and probably will) act upon it, but that would be a matter for USEAGE, if we ever get that far. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TBC7Ju062597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6TBC7Rq062593; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TBC5Jj062561 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3*clerew$man#ac*uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488efb04.5ae3.3a8 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6TBC40c004446 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6TBC4n6004443 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24779 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: #1416 (WAS: Plan to finish ...) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:06:55 GMT Lines: 38 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Russ Allbery writes: >The remaining controversy is over Injection-Date handling. I think the WG >reached a consensus that the language in -09 is not a good idea. I have >one proposed replacement text and Charles has another. (Please someone >else correct me if I got this wrong; it's been a long time. All I know >for sure is that I have a replacement text.) I think either of those >would be an improvement over the current text, which is muddled and not >particularly clear. The nature of Issue #1416 changed quite a bit over its lifetime. My original objection was overcome when Russ proposed to allow (and even require in some situations) User Agents to insert an Injection-Date, which was a neat solution. That left just one small worry. I wanted (version IC) Injection Agents to _always_ insert an Injection-Date (except when it was already present, of course). Russ argued (version IR) that this would sometimes cause existing implementations to behave oddly, and proposed a less-intuitive rule for when Injection Agents should insert it. To avoid repeating my summary yet again, I have put it up at I still claim that Russ's propblem will arise so rarely and affect so few readers (who might occasionally see the same article twice), that it is a reasonable payoff in view of the simpler protocol. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SM2AV3003860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SM2ATq003859; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.22.28]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SM29Wm003852 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E28F2D6986; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.19.147]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFBF2D696F; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4167E78DA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Lisa Dusseault Cc: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro In-Reply-To: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> (Lisa Dusseault's message of "Mon\, 28 Jul 2008 09\:45\:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <871w1dzmzj.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Lisa Dusseault writes: > I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version of > draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on RFC1036. > Since there has been no activity for at least six months, and the WGLC > was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF Last Call. I > will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to close any more > issues and issue another version, that's even better, but I will request > publication for -09 if that's the latest version issued by Aug 29. I will release at least one newer draft that includes the explanation of how history works, since I believe that section is uncontroversial. I will try to do that soon. The remaining controversy is over Injection-Date handling. I think the WG reached a consensus that the language in -09 is not a good idea. I have one proposed replacement text and Charles has another. (Please someone else correct me if I got this wrong; it's been a long time. All I know for sure is that I have a replacement text.) I think either of those would be an improvement over the current text, which is muddled and not particularly clear. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SHQsop080154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SHQsX5080153; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SHQpsX080145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from usenet-format@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KNWUh-0006Xi-LR for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from 212.82.251.180 ([212.82.251.180]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from nobody by 212.82.251.180 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:27:51 +0200 Organization: Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Reply-To: "Frank Ellermann" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.82.251.180 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Charles Lindsey wrote: =20 > as always, willing to participate. Remotely related, in conjunction with the "Expires:" revival for mail (discussed on the 822 list) I checked if usepro-09 says something about expires/expiration that could conflict with this proposal. As expected it doesn't. But I vaguely recall that Russ had a good explanation how a history works. Was it never added to the draft ? =20 Frank Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SGC6QS073847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6SGC6pd073843; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net [79.135.125.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SGC4uv073821 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3&clerew$man^ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 488defd3.14a3.d7 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6SGC3gK022010 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m6SGC3lb022006 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24776 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:14:31 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> Lisa Dusseault writes: >I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version >of draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on >RFC1036. Since there has been no activity for at least six months, >and the WGLC was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF >Last Call. I will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to >close any more issues and issue another version, that's even better, >but I will request publication for -09 if that's the latest version >issued by Aug 29. The reason there has been no activity is that the cahirs have declined to poll the members on the main outstanding issue, to see whether or not there is a consensus one way or the other. There is just the one important outstanding technical issue AFAIAA. OTOH, the actual text, and some non-technical issues such as Security Considerations still require review. I remains, as always, willing to participate. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8jpl7032390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m6S8jp5I032389; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from gateout02.mbox.net (gateout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.22]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S8joN2032383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldusseault@commerce.net) Received: from gateout02 (gwsmtp.usa.net [165.212.65.102]) by gateout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA514BC99D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout02 via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.44O) with ESMTP id XID947mgbitx2810Xo2; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN ldusseault@commerce.net GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID947mgbitx2810Xo2 Received: from lisa.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.23.68]) by GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:45:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9442EF79-36EC-470E-A1A0-1FED84065F96@commerce.net> From: Lisa Dusseault To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: Plan to finish draft-ietf-usefor-usepro Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:45:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:45:49.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[55C11A80:01C8F08E] Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I've consulted with the chairs, and we feel that the current version of draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (-09) is a definite improvement on RFC1036. Since there has been no activity for at least six months, and the WGLC was in 2006, I plan to put this document forward for IETF Last Call. I will do so on or after Aug 29. If the WG manages to close any more issues and issue another version, that's even better, but I will request publication for -09 if that's the latest version issued by Aug 29. I do appreciate all the work that has gone into this and this action does not prevent future work, future RFCs etc. However, it looks like publishing this doc completes the work USEFOR was chartered to do, and I expect the USEFOR WG ought to close then, so further work would have to involve individual submissions (if appropriate) or a new WG. Thanks, Lisa Dusseault