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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 28 00:09:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8B53A6BAD for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLCjU-CUZcyA for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DEC3A67B4 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S77fiv080336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9S77fcL080334; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S77d78080327 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009F039E40F for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXHWTKaLpxVu for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AFC039E27C for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:07:37 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usefor Mailing List Subject: Last Call issues on USEPRO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At long last, I've gotten around to doing what should have been done in September: Collate the list of Last Call comments. The following were raised as ISSUEs, and have been assigned issue numbers: *#1582** USEPRO LC 4.3 / 5.2.3: 4.3 overlooks chkscope **#1583** USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages **#1584 **USEPRO LC 3.2.1: Adding Injection-Date at posting agent **#1585 **USEPRO LC : Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions I also have a couple of USEPRO issues in the tracker that don't seem to have been formally closed (another error by the chair, sorry 'bout that): 1412 USEPRO 5.3: Cancel newsgroups: matching 1413 USEPRO 5.5: ihave/sendme syntax 1414 USEPRO 3.2.1: delimiter for multiple Path identities 1415 USEPRO 3.2.1 - Number of path entries per site 1416 USEPRO 3.9: Reinjection and Injection-Date 1417 USEPRO 3.4: Injecting-agent modification of message-ID 1479 USEPRO: Whether moderators SHOULD retain message-ID 1482 USEPRO 3.2: Possibility to use non-resolvable domain name as path-identity I believe #1416 is thoroughly closed; the others are, I believe, addressed, but not formally recorded as such. Before I go through the comments and attempt to discern the consensus on these issues, I'm sending out this message to verify that I've got them all. This is not an attempt to canvas new issues - just to verify that I've not overlooked anything on the mailing list. OK? Harald * From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 28 10:25:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8621428C2D4 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k+8pgO9Tu3+3 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2CC28C34B for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHN34R011020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SHN38g011019; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHMqep010975 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B5639E668; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwUJ-n-rWoRL; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7D1E39E27C; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49074A6A.6090807@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:22:50 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: #1585 Re: Tr: ISSUE: Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions. References: <797B4B631C6E449A82A048C1676828C5@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <797B4B631C6E449A82A048C1676828C5@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien ÉLIE skrev: > >> I think the group decided that "Tale's rules" for checkgroups lines were >> two arcane to standardize, and the best that could be done was to >> document >> them (for historic pouposes) in USEAGE. > > All right. Thanks, Charles. (Also thanks for your other answers.) > I'm closing this one as "no change needed". From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 28 10:27:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C1F3A6C09 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AxERmImvXKOk for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB7A3A6983 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHQAft011710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SHQAcr011709; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHQ9qY011694 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7009939E674; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Lwp662ggG+G; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 061C139E668; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49074B2F.1080009@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:26:07 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rra@stanford.edu CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: #1582 Re: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) References: <20080922001818.EA1BDE7A31@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080922001818.EA1BDE7A31@windlord.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I'm taking this checkin as resolution of issue #1582. This is not yet reflected in a published draft; I assume it will be in -13. rra@stanford.edu skrev: > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008 @ 17:18:17 > Author: eagle > Revision: 5041 > > Fix a conflict between the wording of the application/news-checkgroups > message and the checkgroups control message around . Clarify > that a checkgroups can be limited by external information, and that > limits the requirement for it to be complete to a SHOULD. > > Modified: > docs/usefor/usepro.xml > > Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml > =================================================================== > --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2008-09-22 00:13:33 UTC (rev 5040) > +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2008-09-22 00:18:17 UTC (rev 5041) > @@ -1663,9 +1663,11 @@ > > One application/news-checkgroups message may contain > information for one or more hierarchies and is considered complete > - for any hierarchy for which it contains a <valid-group>. In > - other words, an application/news-checkgroups body part consisting > - of: > + for any hierarchy for which it contains a <valid-group> unless > + accompanied by external information limiting its scope (such as a > + <chkscope> parameter to a checkgroups control message as > + described in ). In other words, an > + application/news-checkgroups body part consisting of: > >
> > @@ -1679,7 +1681,8 @@ > This media type therefore MUST NOT be used for conveying partial > information about a hierarchy; if a group from a given hierarchy > is present, all groups that exist in that hierarchy MUST be > - listed. > + listed unless its scope is limited by external information, in > + which case all groups SHOULD be listed. > > > > > > From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 30 10:14:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457FF3A69FB for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnsYhqio3cyz for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDADC3A6819 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UHCEHm002227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UHCEIl002226; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UHC2qx002181 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3$clerew*man^ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.301) id 4909eae1.ab9.5b2 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:01 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9UHC0gv010394 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:00 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m9UHC1qv010388 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24939 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Last Call issues on USEPRO Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:27:23 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Harald Tveit Alvestrand writes: >At long last, I've gotten around to doing what should have been done in >September: Collate the list of Last Call comments. >The following were raised as ISSUEs, and have been assigned issue numbers: >*#1582** USEPRO LC 4.3 / 5.2.3: 4.3 overlooks chkscope >**#1583** USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages >**#1584 **USEPRO LC 3.2.1: Adding Injection-Date at posting agent >**#1585 **USEPRO LC : Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions You are missing: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:06:35 GMT Subject: Re: ISSUE: treatment of POSTED in proto articles Which I think is the major item oustanding. Russ agrees that a current MUST ought to be reduced to SHOULD, but I would prefer to reduce it beyond that, so further opinions are needed. #1584 also needs to be addressed, but Russ seems to agree that my suggested wording is needed, or something like it, so it is just a matter of rubber-stamping or otherwise by the WG. I think the others are now fixed. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UHCEHm002227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UHCEIl002226; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net [79.135.125.42]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UHC2qx002181 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3$clerew*man^ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.301) id 4909eae1.ab9.5b2 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:01 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9UHC0gv010394 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:00 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id m9UHC1qv010388 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:24939 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: Last Call issues on USEPRO Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:27:23 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Harald Tveit Alvestrand writes: >At long last, I've gotten around to doing what should have been done in >September: Collate the list of Last Call comments. >The following were raised as ISSUEs, and have been assigned issue numbers: >*#1582** USEPRO LC 4.3 / 5.2.3: 4.3 overlooks chkscope >**#1583** USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages >**#1584 **USEPRO LC 3.2.1: Adding Injection-Date at posting agent >**#1585 **USEPRO LC : Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions You are missing: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:06:35 GMT Subject: Re: ISSUE: treatment of POSTED in proto articles Which I think is the major item oustanding. Russ agrees that a current MUST ought to be reduced to SHOULD, but I would prefer to reduce it beyond that, so further opinions are needed. #1584 also needs to be addressed, but Russ seems to agree that my suggested wording is needed, or something like it, so it is just a matter of rubber-stamping or otherwise by the WG. I think the others are now fixed. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHQAft011710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SHQAcr011709; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHQ9qY011694 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7009939E674; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Lwp662ggG+G; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 061C139E668; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49074B2F.1080009@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:26:07 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rra@stanford.edu CC: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: #1582 Re: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) References: <20080922001818.EA1BDE7A31@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080922001818.EA1BDE7A31@windlord.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I'm taking this checkin as resolution of issue #1582. This is not yet reflected in a published draft; I assume it will be in -13. rra@stanford.edu skrev: > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008 @ 17:18:17 > Author: eagle > Revision: 5041 > > Fix a conflict between the wording of the application/news-checkgroups > message and the checkgroups control message around . Clarify > that a checkgroups can be limited by external information, and that > limits the requirement for it to be complete to a SHOULD. > > Modified: > docs/usefor/usepro.xml > > Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml > =================================================================== > --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2008-09-22 00:13:33 UTC (rev 5040) > +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2008-09-22 00:18:17 UTC (rev 5041) > @@ -1663,9 +1663,11 @@ > > One application/news-checkgroups message may contain > information for one or more hierarchies and is considered complete > - for any hierarchy for which it contains a <valid-group>. In > - other words, an application/news-checkgroups body part consisting > - of: > + for any hierarchy for which it contains a <valid-group> unless > + accompanied by external information limiting its scope (such as a > + <chkscope> parameter to a checkgroups control message as > + described in ). In other words, an > + application/news-checkgroups body part consisting of: > >
> > @@ -1679,7 +1681,8 @@ > This media type therefore MUST NOT be used for conveying partial > information about a hierarchy; if a group from a given hierarchy > is present, all groups that exist in that hierarchy MUST be > - listed. > + listed unless its scope is limited by external information, in > + which case all groups SHOULD be listed. > > > > > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHN34R011020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SHN38g011019; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SHMqep010975 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B5639E668; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwUJ-n-rWoRL; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7D1E39E27C; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:21:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49074A6A.6090807@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:22:50 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: #1585 Re: Tr: ISSUE: Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions. References: <797B4B631C6E449A82A048C1676828C5@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <797B4B631C6E449A82A048C1676828C5@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien ÉLIE skrev: > >> I think the group decided that "Tale's rules" for checkgroups lines were >> two arcane to standardize, and the best that could be done was to >> document >> them (for historic pouposes) in USEAGE. > > All right. Thanks, Charles. (Also thanks for your other answers.) > I'm closing this one as "no change needed". Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S77fiv080336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9S77fcL080334; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S77d78080327 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009F039E40F for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXHWTKaLpxVu for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AFC039E27C for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:06:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4906BA39.6000302@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:07:37 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usefor Mailing List Subject: Last Call issues on USEPRO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At long last, I've gotten around to doing what should have been done in September: Collate the list of Last Call comments. The following were raised as ISSUEs, and have been assigned issue numbers: *#1582** USEPRO LC 4.3 / 5.2.3: 4.3 overlooks chkscope **#1583** USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages **#1584 **USEPRO LC 3.2.1: Adding Injection-Date at posting agent **#1585 **USEPRO LC : Length and final dots of newsgroups descriptions I also have a couple of USEPRO issues in the tracker that don't seem to have been formally closed (another error by the chair, sorry 'bout that): 1412 USEPRO 5.3: Cancel newsgroups: matching 1413 USEPRO 5.5: ihave/sendme syntax 1414 USEPRO 3.2.1: delimiter for multiple Path identities 1415 USEPRO 3.2.1 - Number of path entries per site 1416 USEPRO 3.9: Reinjection and Injection-Date 1417 USEPRO 3.4: Injecting-agent modification of message-ID 1479 USEPRO: Whether moderators SHOULD retain message-ID 1482 USEPRO 3.2: Possibility to use non-resolvable domain name as path-identity I believe #1416 is thoroughly closed; the others are, I believe, addressed, but not formally recorded as such. Before I go through the comments and attempt to discern the consensus on these issues, I'm sending out this message to verify that I've got them all. This is not an attempt to canvas new issues - just to verify that I've not overlooked anything on the mailing list. OK? Harald *