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There is the revocation draft thingie we are planning to work on (maybe).


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Sharon,

Jeremy Rowley and I from DigiCert will be working on documenting the
certificate processing behavior of user agents, along with Robin Alden and
Phill Hallam-Baker of Comodo.  Jeremy will be in attendance and able to
participate in the discussion.  

Thanks,

Ben

 

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Please let me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next week's
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The agenda for Thursday's meeting, along with some of the presentation mate=
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Cheers,
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If anyone is willing to volunteer to be the jabber scribe or the minute tak=
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Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document.

I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I would =
appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content.

Thanks,

Bruce Morton
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Here are some comments.

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From: wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
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Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document.

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some other comments.


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ben Wilson <ben@digicert.com> wrote:

> Here are some comments.****
>
> ** **
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> *From:* wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Bruce Morton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:08 AM
> *To:* wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)
> *Subject:* [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models****
>
> ** **
>
> Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document.****
>
> ** **
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> I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I woul=
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> appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content.****
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> Thanks,****
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<div dir=3D"ltr">some other comments.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ben Wilson <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ben@digicert.com" target=3D"_blank">=
ben@digicert.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Here are some comments.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
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t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">wpkops-b=
ounces@ietf.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">wpkops-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Morton=
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> wpkops WG (<a=
 href=3D"mailto:wpkops@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">wpkops@ietf.org</a>)<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Mode=
ls document.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">
I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I would =
appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Than=
ks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bruce Mo=
rton<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20613.270.=
3743" value=3D"+16132703743" target=3D"_blank">+1 613.270.3743</a><u></u><u=
></u></p></div>
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I reviewed just the definitions section, and it has a LOT of problems.

Comments on that section below.

Steve
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1.2.  Definitions

Why are not all most of these terms taken from X.509 or RFC 5280, with
appropriate cites?

       Certificate: The public key of a user, together with some other
       information, rendered unforgeable by encipherment with the private
       key of the certification authority which issued it.

This is an RSA-centric view of how a signature is computed; it fails to 
describe how
a DSA-based sig is computed. Also, it ignores the use of a hash function 
as is common
ptractice.

       Certification Authority (CA) - An entity trusted by one or more
       users to create and assign certificates.

       Certificate holder - A natural or legal person who is identified
       as the subject in a certificate.
or a device, or organization, or ...

       Certificate policy: A named set of rules that indicates the
       applicability of a certificate to a particular community and/or
       class of application with common security requirements.
cite 3647?

       Certification Practice Statement (CPS): A statement of the
       practices that a Certification Authority employs in issuing,
       managing, revoking and renewing or re-keying certificates.
cite 3647?

       Certificate subject - The certificate holder as represented in the
       certificate.
the holder of the private key that corresponds to the public key in the 
cert.

       Certificate user - A natural person who operates a certificate
       using product.
relying party?

       Certificate-using product - A product that evaluates a certificate
       or certificate chain and adjusts its behavior according to the
       result.

       End entity: A certificate subject which uses its public key for
       purposes other than signing certificates.
since a public key IS never used to sign anything ...

       Intermediate CA - A CA that issues certificates to issuing CAs
       and/or other intermediate CAs.
this def will overlap with that of a TA, so not very useful.

       Issuing CA - A CA that issues certificates to certificate holders.
is there any other kind of CA?





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       Policy management authority - A natural or legal person who
       administers the certificate policy by which one or more
       certification authorities operate.

       Public-key infrastructure (PKI) - is a system for the creation,
       storage, and distribution of certificates which are used to verify
       that a particular public key belongs to a certain entity.
not revocation too?

       Relying party: A user or agent that relies on the data in a
       certificate in making decisions.
decisions about what?

       Registration authority (RA): An entity that is responsible for
       identification and authentication of certificate subjects, but
       that does not sign or issue certificates (i.e., an RA is delegated
       certain tasks on behalf of a CA).

       Root certificate - is either an unsigned public key certificate or
       a self-signed certificate that identifies the Root Certificate
       Authority (CA).  A root certificate is part of a public key
       infrastructure scheme.
no mention of the relation to the more formal term, TA?

       Root CA - The trust anchor for a digital certificate is the Root
       Certificate Authority (CA).  A CA whose public key is included in
       a root store.

       Root store - A set of certification authority public keys that is
       embedded in a certificate-using product.
not just Root CA public keys?

       Self-signed certificate: A certificate for one CA signed by that
       CA.
we have expanded the def in PKIX to include certs signed by EEs, to more 
closely
match common practice. do you mean to exclude this case?

       Trust anchor - is an authoritative entity represented via a public
       key and associated data.
if the "authoritative" part were true, the problems faced by this model 
would
be much less severe :-). The problem is that almost none of the TAs embedded
in browsers are authoritative for the certs they issue!

       Trust model - The roles, and the relationships between those
       roles, that are relevant to the management and evaluation of
       certificates.

       Trust service - Service which enhances trust and confidence in
       electronic transactions.
vacuous def.

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    I reviewed just the definitions section, and it has a LOT of
    problems.<br>
    <br>
    Comments on that section below.<br>
    <br>
    Steve<br>
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    <br>
    1.2.&nbsp; Definitions<br>
    <br>
    Why are not all most of these terms taken from X.509 or RFC 5280,
    with<br>
    appropriate cites?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate: The public key of a user, together with some
    other<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; information, rendered unforgeable by encipherment with the
    private<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; key of the certification authority which issued it.<br>
    <br>
    This is an RSA-centric view of how a signature is computed; it fails
    to describe how<br>
    a DSA-based sig is computed. Also, it ignores the use of a hash
    function as is common<br>
    ptractice.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certification Authority (CA) - <font color="#cc0000">An
      entity</font> trusted by one or more<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; users to create and assign certificates.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate holder - A natural or legal person who is
    identified<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as the subject in a certificate.<br>
    or a device, or organization, or ...<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate policy: A named set of rules that indicates the<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; applicability of a certificate to a particular community
    and/or<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; class of application with common security requirements.<br>
    cite 3647?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certification Practice Statement (CPS): A statement of the<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; practices that a Certification Authority employs in issuing,<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; managing, revoking and renewing or re-keying certificates.<br>
    cite 3647?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate subject - The certificate holder as represented in
    the<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; certificate.<br>
    the holder of the private key that corresponds to the public key in
    the cert.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate user - A natural person who operates a certificate<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; using product.<br>
    relying party?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate-using product - A product that evaluates a
    certificate<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or certificate chain and adjusts its behavior according to the<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; result.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; End entity: A certificate subject which uses its public key
    for<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; purposes other than signing certificates.<br>
    since a public key IS never used to sign anything ...<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Intermediate CA - A CA that issues certificates to issuing CAs<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and/or other intermediate CAs.<br>
    this def will overlap with that of a TA, so not very useful.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Issuing CA - A CA that issues certificates to certificate
    holders.<br>
    is there any other kind of CA?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Barreira &amp; Morton&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Expires May 4, 2013&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    [Page 3]<br>
    <br>
    Internet-Draft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Trust models of the Web PKI&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; October
    2012<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Policy management authority - A natural or legal person who<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; administers the certificate policy by which one or more<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; certification authorities operate.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Public-key infrastructure (PKI) - is a system for the
    creation,<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; storage, and distribution of certificates which are used to
    verify<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that a particular public key belongs to a certain entity.<br>
    not revocation too?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Relying party: A user or agent that relies on the data in a<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; certificate in making decisions.<br>
    decisions about what?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Registration authority (RA): An entity that is responsible for<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; identification and authentication of certificate subjects, but<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that does not sign or issue certificates (i.e., an RA is
    delegated<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; certain tasks on behalf of a CA).<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Root certificate - is either an unsigned public key
    certificate or<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a self-signed certificate that identifies the Root Certificate<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Authority (CA).&nbsp; A root certificate is part of a public key<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; infrastructure scheme.<br>
    no mention of the relation to the more formal term, TA? <br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Root CA - The trust anchor for <font color="#cc0000">a</font>
    digital certificate is the Root<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Certificate Authority (CA).&nbsp; A CA whose public key is included
    in<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a root store.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Root store - A set of certification authority public keys that
    is<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; embedded in a certificate-using product.<br>
    not just Root CA public keys?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Self-signed certificate: A certificate for one CA signed by
    that<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CA.<br>
    we have expanded the def in PKIX to include certs signed by EEs, to
    more closely<br>
    match common practice. do you mean to exclude this case?<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Trust anchor - is an authoritative entity represented via a
    public<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; key and associated data.<br>
    if the "authoritative" part were true, the problems faced by this
    model would<br>
    be much less severe :-). The problem is that almost none of the TAs
    embedded<br>
    in browsers are authoritative for the certs they issue!<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Trust model - The roles, and the relationships between those<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; roles, that are relevant to the management and evaluation of<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; certificates.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Trust service - Service which enhances trust and confidence in<br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; electronic transactions.<br>
    vacuous def.<br>
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Steve Kent was faster than I was about posting some of the problems with =
the definitions. But he stopped there, so let me continue with the =
"basic trust model".

Just a reminder from our WG charter: The working group's goal is to =
describe how the Web PKI "actually" works in the set of browsers and =
servers that are in common use today.

Given that, I believe the following is fairly flawed.

   In the basic Web PKI trust model, a certificate-using product
   includes a root store that contains one or more root certification
   authority public keys, each of which is under the control of a CA and
   managed in conformance with the certificate policy prescribed and
   administered by the certificate using product supplier.  Each such
   root certification authority issues a certificate to one or more
   issuing CAs that are under the control of the same commercial CA.
   Each issuing CA accepts and responds to certificate requests from one
   or more certificate applicants via one or more registration
   authorities that are under the control of the same CA.  If the
   request is granted, then the certificate applicant becomes a
   certificate holder.  The role of the registration authority is to
   confirm the accuracy of the information provided in the certificate
   request.

- Some web browsers have a root store, but others use the OS's root =
store

- Some of these root stores have public keys associated with an =
enterprise; those keys are often not managed in conformance with =
anything

- "Commercial" is just plain wrong: many trust anchors are run by =
governments

- Many trust anchors in the root store issue end entity certificates =
directly

- Many trust anchors in the root store do not have registration =
authorities

In summary: this definition does not represent how the Web PKI actually =
works. The text that follows seems based on these assumptions, and thus =
has similar problems.

--Paul Hoffman=

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Here is the link to the
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<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4hAObl77LxdF9iQ0M5TUJ1MTlyWm
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I will back up the workbook every day or so.  I've shared it "Anyone with
link can edit".  

As mentioned in today's presentation, there are three types of sheets

Referential Integrity enforced with these keys:

.       Conditions (Name mismatch, expired, revoked)

.       UA Behaviors (visual cues and bypassable errors)

Input sheets for User Agents, OSs, & Platforms (Safari on Win7, Firefox on
Android, Opera on Wii)

Results sheets for Conditions (programmatically filled in from data added by
input)

 

For the kick-off, we did not populate the sheets with all of the conditions
and behaviors.  We will try to organize those by category.  We will start
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link can edit&#8221;.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>As =
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&#8226;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]>Conditions (Name mismatch, expired, =
revoked)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span =
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&#8226;<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]>UA Behaviors (visual cues and bypassable =
errors)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Input sheets </b>for User =
Agents, OSs, &amp; Platforms (Safari on Win7, Firefox on Android, Opera =
on Wii)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Results sheets </b>for =
Conditions (programmatically filled in from data added by =
input)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For the kick-off, we did not populate the sheets with =
all of the conditions and behaviors.&nbsp; We will try to organize those =
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Subject: [wpkops] Volunteers Wanted.
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Hey folks.

I was pleased to see the extent to which the first chartered meeting of 
wpkops went down down something in the capaable hands of it's first-time 
wg chair. I've been looking for an additional chair to assist the very 
capable Sharon Boyen  and round out the roster. At this point I'd like 
to throw the process of finding a new chair open to volunteers. If you 
are willing any able to serve in the role of co-chair for wpkops would 
you shoot me an email offlist? I'll follow up individually over the next 
couple of days with the volunteers and see if we can't get someone to 
share the (not yet daunting) workload.

thanks
joel
