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Mobile phone service in London X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:17:27 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable back last time (I saved his email...) we were in London, Stuart Cheshire wrote: > For people traveling to London, I recommend getting a "Three" > pay-as-you-go SIM card for your phone. They're available at Heathrow > airport when you land. Right after you go though immigration, you'll > see vending machines selling SIM cards. You can get a Three SIM card > for =C2=A320, which is =C2=A35 for the SIM, and =C2=A315 for 30 days = of unlimited > data, 300 voice minutes and 3000 texts. The package contains a > Nano-SIM, plus adapters for Micro-SIM and Mini-SIM phones, so it shou= ld > work with anything. > If you order in advance instead of waiting until you get to the > airport, you can save the =C2=A35 charge for the SIM card. You can al= so skip > the =C2=A315 package if you like, and just pay for what you use: 3p p= er > minute for voice, 2p per text, 1p per megabyte of data. A free SIM pl= us > =C2=A310 of credit should be enough for the whole IETF week. > The web site still exists, and =C2=A310 for 1G and 3000 minutes seems like = a great deal. I just haven't figured out how to sign up given my +1 phone number and address do not seem accepted by the web interface. I tried CHAT, but timezones are poor for that to work right now. Are there other suggestions? I'm landing at Gatwick for what it's worth. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/ietf101 has no recommendation= s yet. While searching for some info on the bottom for some way to contact them about how to do this, I noticed: http://www.three.co.uk/terms-conditions/modernslaverystatement which is really cool. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k34sm2914971wrk.95.2018.02.13.10.38.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:38:07 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Richardson , 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: Stuart Cheshire References: <27439.1518545842@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <76cecf1a-ce25-ca3e-9825-9aad47a8b5fb@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:38:05 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <27439.1518545842@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------57F005748AEF4F519B92707D" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] ... Mobile phone service in London X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:38:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57F005748AEF4F519B92707D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There is huge completion between the providers in the UK so London is saturated with stores that sell these sims, and the price is set nationally for each provider. If you don't get one at LGW you will one in any major shopping district in London. There are lots of virtual operators as well, so its worth looking at for example the supermarket deals. BTW for those that don't know there is currently no roaming charge if you take a UK phone anywhere in the EU. - Stewart On 13/02/2018 18:17, Michael Richardson wrote: > back last time (I saved his email...) we were in London, > Stuart Cheshire wrote: > > For people traveling to London, I recommend getting a "Three" > > pay-as-you-go SIM card for your phone. They're available at Heathrow > > airport when you land. Right after you go though immigration, you'll > > see vending machines selling SIM cards. You can get a Three SIM card > > for £20, which is £5 for the SIM, and £15 for 30 days of unlimited > > data, 300 voice minutes and 3000 texts. The package contains a > > Nano-SIM, plus adapters for Micro-SIM and Mini-SIM phones, so it should > > work with anything. > > > If you order in advance instead of waiting until you get to the > > airport, you can save the £5 charge for the SIM card. You can also skip > > the £15 package if you like, and just pay for what you use: 3p per > > minute for voice, 2p per text, 1p per megabyte of data. A free SIM plus > > £10 of credit should be enough for the whole IETF week. > > > > The web site still exists, and £10 for 1G and 3000 minutes seems like a great > deal. I just haven't figured out how to sign up given my +1 phone number > and address do not seem accepted by the web interface. I tried CHAT, but > timezones are poor for that to work right now. > > Are there other suggestions? I'm landing at Gatwick for what it's worth. > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/ietf101 has no recommendations yet. > > > While searching for some info on the bottom for some way to contact them > about how to do this, I noticed: > http://www.three.co.uk/terms-conditions/modernslaverystatement > > which is really cool. I guess all UK companies are supposed to do this. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees --------------57F005748AEF4F519B92707D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

There is huge completion between the providers in the UK so London is saturated with stores that sell these sims, and the price is set nationally for each provider. If you don't get one at LGW you will one in any major shopping district in London.

There are lots of virtual operators as well, so its worth looking at for example the supermarket deals.

BTW for those that don't know there is currently no roaming charge if you take a UK phone anywhere in the EU.

- Stewart


On 13/02/2018 18:17, Michael Richardson wrote:
back last time (I saved his email...) we were in London,
Stuart Cheshire <ietf13@stuartcheshire.org> wrote:
    > For people traveling to London, I recommend getting a "Three"
    > pay-as-you-go SIM card for your phone. They're available at Heathrow
    > airport when you land.  Right after you go though immigration, you'll
    > see vending machines selling SIM cards. You can get a Three SIM card
    > for £20, which is £5 for the SIM, and £15 for 30 days of unlimited
    > data, 300 voice minutes and 3000 texts. The package contains a
    > Nano-SIM, plus adapters for Micro-SIM and Mini-SIM phones, so it should
    > work with anything.

    > If you order in advance instead of waiting until you get to the
    > airport, you can save the £5 charge for the SIM card. You can also skip
    > the £15 package if you like, and just pay for what you use: 3p per
    > minute for voice, 2p per text, 1p per megabyte of data. A free SIM plus
    > £10 of credit should be enough for the whole IETF week.
    > <http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Pay_As_You_Go>

The web site still exists, and £10 for 1G and 3000 minutes seems like a great
deal.   I just haven't figured out how to sign up given my +1 phone number
and address do not seem accepted by the web interface.  I tried CHAT, but
timezones are poor for that to work right now.

Are there other suggestions?  I'm landing at Gatwick for what it's worth.

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/ietf101  has no recommendations yet.


While searching for some info on the bottom for some way to contact them
about how to do this, I noticed:
      http://www.three.co.uk/terms-conditions/modernslaverystatement

which is really cool. I guess all UK companies are supposed to do this.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
 -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-






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Mobile phone service in London X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:49:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1D8616D2-5DC1-485E-9E37-14FEA39B885F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:17, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > Are there other suggestions? Is is really that important to buy one at the airport instead of waiting = 30-40 minutes to get into the city centre? Besides, LHR and LGW have = free wi-fi IIRC. Three has zillions of shops all over the London area and elsewhere. You = should be able to get the same deal on a PAYG SIM at any of them.* * Other major mobile telcos have similiar deals and an equally large = numbers of retail outlets. 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Mobile phone service in London X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:33:14 -0000 > On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:38, Stewart Bryant = wrote: >=20 > BTW for those that don't know there is currently no roaming charge if = you take a UK phone anywhere in the EU. This will (or should) also be true for anyone using an EU phone/SIM in = the UK. Pesky Brussels bureaucrats and their European Single Market directives.. = :-) Talking of those, travellers might want to familiarise themselves with = EU Flight Compensation Regulation 261. Airlines *have* to pay = compensation AND look after you properly if your flight gets delayed or = cancelled or you=E2=80=99re denied boarding. 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Mobile phone service in London X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:38:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0899DE281012697199074761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you are in London they all work, but if you intend to travel out of London you ought to do a coverage check with the base operator. By out of London I mean rural or semi rural areas. - Stewart On 13/02/2018 18:48, Jim Reid wrote: >> On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:17, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> Are there other suggestions? > Is is really that important to buy one at the airport instead of waiting 30-40 minutes to get into the city centre? Besides, LHR and LGW have free wi-fi IIRC. > > Three has zillions of shops all over the London area and elsewhere. You should be able to get the same deal on a PAYG SIM at any of them.* > > * Other major mobile telcos have similiar deals and an equally large numbers of retail outlets. You might as well pick the provider that has the prettiest logo or the closest shop to your hotel. > >> While searching for some info on the bottom for some way to contact them >> about how to do this, I noticed: >> http://www.three.co.uk/terms-conditions/modernslaverystatement >> >> which is really cool. I guess all UK companies are supposed to do this. > Nope. It’s just a box-ticking gesture towards corporate social responsibility. Like having company policies on recycling or tree-hugging. I mean does anyone *really* need to formally publish statements that they don’t do slavery or human trafficking? > > > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees --------------0899DE281012697199074761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If you are in London they all work, but if you intend to travel out of London you ought to do a coverage check with the base operator.

By out of London I mean rural or semi rural areas.

- Stewart


On 13/02/2018 18:48, Jim Reid wrote:

      

        
On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:17, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

Are there other suggestions?


      

      
Is is really that important to buy one at the airport instead of waiting 30-40 minutes to get into the city centre? Besides, LHR and LGW have free wi-fi IIRC.

Three has zillions of shops all over the London area and elsewhere. You should be able to get the same deal on a PAYG SIM at any of them.*

* Other major mobile telcos have similiar deals and an equally large numbers of retail outlets. You might as well pick the provider that has the prettiest logo or the closest shop to your hotel.



      

        
While searching for some info on the bottom for some way to contact them
about how to do this, I noticed:
     http://www.three.co.uk/terms-conditions/modernslaverystatement

which is really cool. I guess all UK companies are supposed to do this.


      

      
Nope. It’s just a box-ticking gesture towards corporate social responsibility. Like having company policies on recycling or tree-hugging. I mean does anyone *really* need to formally publish statements that they don’t do slavery or human trafficking?


      

      

      

      
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On 13/02/2018 19:32, Jim Reid wrote:
>> On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:38, Stewart Bryant  wrote:
>>
>> BTW for those that don't know there is currently no roaming charge if you take a UK phone anywhere in the EU.
> This will (or should) also be true for anyone using an EU phone/SIM in the UK.
>
> Pesky Brussels bureaucrats and their European Single Market directives.. :-)
>
> Talking of those, travellers might want to familiarise themselves with EU Flight Compensation Regulation 261. Airlines *have* to pay compensation AND look after you properly if your flight gets delayed or cancelled or you’re denied boarding. Apart from inbound flights on non-EU carriers, this applies to all flights involving an EU/EEA airport, regardless of the airline or your nationality.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation_261/2004
>

Yes, I have done well out of this twice now. It is quite generous.

The airline might be reluctant to admit that they owe you the 
compensation, but push and if they don't pay the CAA will step in on 
your behalf.

I bet both of these will be Brexit collateral damage :(

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Jim Reid  wrote:
    >> BTW for those that don't know there is currently no roaming charge if
    >> you take a UK phone anywhere in the EU.

    > This will (or should) also be true for anyone using an EU phone/SIM in
    > the UK.

This suggests that maybe I should get my Prague (or Berlin) SIM out, if I c=
an
find it, and see if it can be activated again easier than getting one in
London.  Hmm.

    > Talking of those, travellers might want to familiarise themselves with
    > EU Flight Compensation Regulation 261. Airlines *have* to pay
    > compensation AND look after you properly if your flight gets delayed =
or
    > cancelled or you=E2=80=99re denied boarding. Apart from inbound fligh=
ts on
    > non-EU carriers, this applies to all flights involving an EU/EEA
    > airport, regardless of the airline or your nationality.

Good to know.

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Jim Reid  wrote:
    >> On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:17, Michael Richardson  wrote:
    >>
    >> Are there other suggestions?

    > Is is really that important to buy one at the airport instead of
    > waiting 30-40 minutes to get into the city centre? Besides, LHR and LGW
    > have free wi-fi IIRC.

Not that important, but useful.
In fact, I'm looking now because I'm hoping they might mail it to me now.

    > Three has zillions of shops all over the London area and elsewhere. You
    > should be able to get the same deal on a PAYG SIM at any of them.*

yes... but how will I find my way there without my phone? :-)

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On 13.2.2018 23:24, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Jim Reid  wrote:
>     >> On 13 Feb 2018, at 18:17, Michael Richardson  wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Are there other suggestions?
> 
>     > Is is really that important to buy one at the airport instead of
>     > waiting 30-40 minutes to get into the city centre? Besides, LHR and LGW
>     > have free wi-fi IIRC.
> 
> Not that important, but useful.
> In fact, I'm looking now because I'm hoping they might mail it to me now.
> 
>     > Three has zillions of shops all over the London area and elsewhere. You
>     > should be able to get the same deal on a PAYG SIM at any of them.*
> 
> yes... but how will I find my way there without my phone? :-)

E.g. install "Windy Maps" into your phone and download off-line maps of
whole UK for free :-)

Maps are in fact OpenStreetMaps (except for Czech republic) with super
easy UI, and off-line search and navigation capabilities in the app.

Google play:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.windymaps

(BTW Windy Maps are just English mutation of original Czech app
"Mapy.cz", which has couple milion users in CZ and SK. So do not trust
the small numbers about installed base from Google Play. Apparently its
creators do not believe that name Mapy.cz can work for non-czech users :-))

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Hi list,

does anyone know if there will be a public transport ticket included in my
IETF ticket, like it was last time in Prague? If not, are there Londoners
or people that know about the local transport who can recommend me some
options? I'll be in London for 9 days and since I'm sleeping at a friend's
place I will be traveling daily through zone 1-3. Is there e.g. some week
pass that makes it cheaper? Most information I found only talked about zone
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Kind Regards,
Martine Lenders


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> On 14 Feb 2018, at 22:33, Martine Lenders  =
wrote:
>=20
> If not, are there Londoners or people that know about the local =
transport who can recommend me some options? I'll be in London for 9 =
days and since I'm sleeping at a friend's place I will be traveling =
daily through zone 1-3. Is there e.g. some week pass that makes it =
cheaper? Most information I found only talked about zone 1 and 2.

=
https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/visiting-london/visitor-oyster-card
=
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/ways-to-pay/whats-the-best-way-for-m=
e-to-pay

I doubt there=E2=80=99s any difference between these visitor Oyster =
cards and the regular ones. Not that I care either way.

Oyster cards (pay as you go smart cards) are used throughout London=E2=80=99=
s public transport. You=E2=80=99re charged per journey, up to a daily =
maximum.

Zone numbers don=E2=80=99t matter other than for pricing. They=E2=80=99re =
just a contrivance to force people to pay more for longer journeys. ie =
Travel between zone 4 and zone 1 costs more than between zone 3 and zone =
1.

Weekly travelcards are available. Ask your friends if that could be a =
cheaper option for you. It=E2=80=99ll depend on how many journeys you =
make per day and how you make them.  Oyster cards generally work out to =
be cheaper though.

Bear in mind that public transport in London is far more expensive than =
Berlin or anywhere else sensible.

Contactless bank/credit cards can also be used at the ticket barriers. =
These could well incur rip-off foreign currency transaction fees for =
overseas visitors.

I=E2=80=99m ashamed to know this because I=E2=80=99ve never lived in =
London. :-)=


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> Note also that Uber is currently not licensed to operate in London;=20
> the app may or may not work, and in theory Uber is operating while=20
> appealing the loss of its licence:
> http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/19/current-situation-uber-london-taxi-app-wont=
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Uber is fully and legally operating in London during the period of the=20
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Hi,

2018-02-15 11:10 GMT+01:00 Rob Evans :

> > Note also that Uber is currently not licensed to operate in London;
> > the app may or may not work, and in theory Uber is operating while
> > appealing the loss of its licence:
> > http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/19/current-situation-uber-london-
> taxi-app-wont-stopped-time-soon-7171771/
>
> Uber is fully and legally operating in London during the period of the
> appeal.
>

A quick look on the Uber page tells me that Uber will definitely be more
expansive than Metro. So no Uber for me ;-)

On 15 Feb 2018, at 01:59, Jim Reid  wrote:

> [=E2=80=A6]
> https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/visiting-london/visitor-oyster-card
> https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/ways-to-pay/whats-
> the-best-way-for-me-to-pay


Thanks for those, they were most helpful! Though I'm still a little
confused, I think I can take it from there.

Martine

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2018-02-15 11:10 GMT+01:00 Rob Evan=
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> Note also that Uber is currently not licensed to operate in Lond=
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> the app may or may not work, and in theory Uber is operating while

> appealing the loss of its licence:

> http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/19/current-situation-uber-london-=
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Uber is fully and legally operating in London during the period of t=
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A quick look on the Uber page t=
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Thanks for those, they were most helpful! Though I&=
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> On 15 Feb 2018, at 10:10, Rob Evans  wrote:
>=20
>> Note also that Uber is currently not licensed to operate in London; the =
app may or may not work, and in theory Uber is operating while appealing th=
e loss of its licence:
>> http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/19/current-situation-uber-london-taxi-app-won=
t-stopped-time-soon-7171771/
>=20
> Uber is fully and legally operating in London during the period of the ap=
peal.

I've tried using it twice since the ruling. On the first occasion three tim=
es in a row the allocated taxi just disappeared. We gave up and used a bus.=
  On the second occasion I couldn't get an uber; none were available, quite=
 centrally.

Maybe that's normal for Uber in London; it's not like that in my home town =
though.

Tim


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> Weekly travelcards are available. Ask your friends if that could be a che=
aper option for you. It=E2=80=99ll depend on how many journeys you make per=
 day and how you make them.

These days Oyster is guaranteed to be no more expensive than a travelcard. =
Just tap in (and out unless on a bus) and it will retroactively buy you the=
 cheapest pass that you would have needed. Also note that contactless cards=
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Hi,

> These days Oyster is guaranteed to be no more expensive than a=20
> travelcard. Just tap in (and out unless on a bus) and it will=20
> retroactively buy you the cheapest pass that you would have needed.=20
> Also note that contactless cards work on all Oyster readers.

Although it=E2=80=99s worth noting there is no *weekly* capping on Oyster,=
=20
only *daily*.

Weekly caps only apply to contactless credit/debit cards.



Cheers,
Rob

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Hi,





These=
 days Oyster is guaranteed to be no more expensive than a travelcard. Just =
tap in (and out unless on a bus) and it will retroactively buy you the chea=
pest pass that you would have needed. Also note that contactless cards work=
 on all Oyster readers.







Although it=E2=80=99s worth noting there is no weekly capping on Oyster, only daily.



Weekly caps only apply to contactless credit/debit cards.


https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/what-are-c=
a



Cheers,

Rob







    

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Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should hear 
about?

Do you want to propose IETF work but aren’t sure if your idea is ready 
or who will be interested?

Get a slot at the Request for Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk 
session. Presenters will get 5 minutes and a slide or two to make their 
case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the discussion 
afterwards and over the week. Goals include encouraging brainstorming 
conversations, helping new work ideas to find co-collaborators, raising 
awareness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promote BarBofs. 
Slots can be requested 
[here](https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/101/hotrfc/) with a short 
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Get a slot at the Request for Conversation (HotRFC) light=
ning talk session. Presenters will get 5 minutes and a slide or two to ma=
ke their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the discus=
sion afterwards and over the week. Goals include encouraging brainstormin=
g conversations, helping new work ideas to find co-collaborators, raising=
 awareness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promote BarBofs. Slot=
s can be requested here with a short paragraph or slide.  


Date is TBD but we are aiming for early Sunday evening.







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