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When I paid the attendance = fee, I got a receipt that says "This is not a VAT invoice" and th= at the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days.

Do we know= when these VAT invoices are going to be sent?

Thanks

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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yoav, On 4/8/18 2:15 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > Hi >=20 > When I paid the attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This is not = a > VAT invoice" and that the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days. >=20 > Do we know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent? >=20 I received mine on March 6th. 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charset=UTF-8 I have yet to receive a VAT invoice.
I was assuming that everyone would receive them on day 40+
Should I be concerned?

Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Brian= Haberman
Sent: 09 April 2018 13:12
To: 101attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices

Hi Yoav,

On 4/8/18 2:15 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> Hi
>
> When I paid the attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This i= s not
> a VAT invoice" and that the real invoice would be mailed within 4= 5 days.
>
> Do we know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent?
>

I received mine on March 6th.

Regards,
Brian


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I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly= that it should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after the payment or servic= e/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, so the provider is doing already= an illegal act.


Regards,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jordi

 

De: 101at= tendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Ian Dickinson &l= t;Ian.Dickinson@tfmnetworks.com>
Fecha: lunes, 9 de abril de 2= 018, 15:03
Para: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>,= "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org>
Asun= to: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin= -bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>I have yet= to receive a VAT invoice.
I was assuming that everyone would receive th= em on day 40+
Should I be concerned?

Ian

-----Original Mes= sage-----
From: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Be= half Of Brian Haberman
Sent: 09 April 2018 13:12
To: 101attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re:= [101attendees] VAT invoices

Hi Yoav,

On 4/8/18 2:15 AM, Yoav= Nir wrote:
> Hi
>
> When I paid the attendance fee, I g= ot a receipt that says "This is not
> a VAT invoice" and t= hat the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days.
>
> Do we= know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent?
>

I recei= ved mine on March 6th.

Regards,
Brian

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--B_3606136783_1614947602-- From nobody Mon Apr 9 07:43:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0527A126C25 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4Rw4zOhSV5b for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B622D1242F5 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E081C9E84; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCQhuBLYiLU7; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.170.98.153] (unknown [64.170.98.153]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB4251C9E83; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Bui Message-Id: <649BF15F-AC1F-4499-B55A-E19523723F15@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AC28A41B-967E-4D04-ADAC-6D33A28E0057" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 07:43:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org To: Yoav Nir References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:43:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AC28A41B-967E-4D04-ADAC-6D33A28E0057 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Yoav, The VAT invoices are sent out by a third-party company, which are = released about once a month. The next batch should be sent out within = the next few days and sent directly to your email.=20 My Best, Jenny Bui IETF Global Administrative Coordinator T: +1 510-492-4082 F: +1 510-492-4001 Managed by Association=20 Management Solutions (AMS) > On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: >=20 > Hi >=20 > When I paid the attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This is not = a VAT invoice" and that the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days. >=20 > Do we know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Yoav > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees --Apple-Mail=_AC28A41B-967E-4D04-ADAC-6D33A28E0057 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Yoav,

The VAT invoices are sent out by a third-party company, which = are released about once a month. The next batch should be sent out = within the next few days and sent directly to your = email. 

My Best,

Jenny Bui
IETF Global Administrative = Coordinator
T: +1 510-492-4082
F: +1 = 510-492-4001
Managed by Association 
Management Solutions (AMS)

On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>= wrote:

Hi

When I paid the = attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This is not a VAT invoice" = and that the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days.

Do we know when these VAT invoices are = going to be sent?

Thanks

Yoav
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charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:45:01 -0000 Mine just arrived by email 20 minutes ago, Tim=20 > On 9 Apr 2018, at 15:43, Jenny Bui wrote: >=20 > Hi Yoav, >=20 > The VAT invoices are sent out by a third-party company, which are release= d about once a month. The next batch should be sent out within the next few= days and sent directly to your email.=20 >=20 >=20 > My Best, >=20 > Jenny Bui > IETF Global Administrative Coordinator > T: +1 510-492-4082 > F: +1 510-492-4001 > Managed by Association=20 > Management Solutions (AMS) >=20 >> On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: >>=20 >> Hi >>=20 >> When I paid the attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This is not a= VAT invoice" and that the real invoice would be mailed within 45 days. >>=20 >> Do we know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent? >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Yoav >> _______________________________________________ >> 101attendees mailing list >> 101attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Mon Apr 9 08:17:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FC3128C0A for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:17:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=sVuJGe2x; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=FZ+6vicr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Z5ywndG9wmI for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47E511270AE for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75338 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2018 15:17:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=12646.5acb8410.k1804; bh=dWNiS86XnFGfFa/o3qZQT/uLKgJgH05njCnnv7vW6k8=; b=sVuJGe2x9ywBtXbeS12+GWXZmbPFjaAwRKbmwoDPhy60y6WpJNddlHrZldTKC1nFVqKd/mE64IHf8dPdRQUqhqZQL2Qx5j4bgmEf/XsA66DXl9gbKl7FJetdq6mGqXHU0vz7NTxUl3Az30A1jz92p4CoAwel8wKCiUicYrXb4aAHEsTb2/0dbLoYwoDeZVN8zNT6KwPXSvbY7j/iWfGLDzZh2uw82AeSwQ8p+F/jpHeTtvMj+StIs8AM84yAa0IF DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=12646.5acb8410.k1804; bh=dWNiS86XnFGfFa/o3qZQT/uLKgJgH05njCnnv7vW6k8=; b=FZ+6vicrZM6VcvGXPXRMMoX+owAdSo9bvlUHohxKd11uTQ7Pp/ovXcCA3lAT4ErjhzT3fpc/RGcL4iCRbIytk1yu1ARGva31dzn5IA08nLP1IF3dOmd98ncdXNm3jB3JQmDhLnC9trEzFSVD5JWlm1Mg0g/5RLKuPGtAeSMjmIH+6jVKOx6oZUbd3llyf0S7/Cc46NhCXYB9cU6aAczvnUVUgwdId96fsmxUsPROaTKcsFUa+9sHQwAIFk0dsPBo Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 09 Apr 2018 15:17:35 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9D77B245221A; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: 9 Apr 2018 11:17:34 -0400 Message-Id: <20180409151735.9D77B245221A@ary.qy> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <24D448D0-D571-42B7-8CD5-F56DB6843841@jisc.ac.uk> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:17:38 -0000 In article <24D448D0-D571-42B7-8CD5-F56DB6843841@jisc.ac.uk> you write: >Mine just arrived by email 20 minutes ago, Same here. 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Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? Tnx, John From nobody Mon Apr 9 08:35:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19DE1270A3 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEmMT9SeZY2L for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [149.20.64.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4957C124BE8 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C1E93AB067 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EE02160032 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA0E160077 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id e7nousQPn0Ah for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rays-mbp.local (88-212-170-147.customer.gigaclear.net [88.212.170.147]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 629AD160032 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 15:35:34 +0000 (UTC) To: 101attendees@ietf.org References: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> From: Ray Bellis Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=ray@isc.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsDiBEpkP1wRBACbuEBlwfygVFFtZM1o9Syz3LS1J7e6UCE1LOwah8FTd3PinKCAK5Ks96+p bND+N3Ms8pamAlb13PMgPD79EjUaH5aI29t0bbT67qTFjZqu2sSaZxUIwXx2ECWX2Ff/aBA5 3rHBtiOwasuxMzm7A/PP1CHDnUsBIgK5UTLZeI7ruwCgn94D3iOfBL0Hn/+zw9P/Fj9S6ssD /3bmmMOErcDUBAGcrz1I5obtuNt14CA2UP9Bym7pRQd5zTdsmH3MpDOWieut7woqPaFiQbWB b2KdiwN3+KAPLd/cixw8CeRUIMOi+K6z2eBH9Mcu6MGJn8ZNLMhw6b8mQIoWYejoyKbfdVQ9 2b0gSxiGpD6F06RPLdjeU4hWonEfA/90ZDlRMoEhSOUfOcI7NCgwBfNROe5QWOd0fvRmUE+b fDmxjM1GXwVAZXanThDL73gGCNSms6XhRzfzMhpjddteteTlJcbNedMvrRwF4I+3EuiQjiM3 uLQek3fp0E+1M/maA1LCgfuBswGK6V9WZdR2byp0OmpCVBmk06OnLepqec0oUmF5IEJlbGxp cyAoUGVyc29uYWwpIDxyYXlAYmVsbGlzLm1lLnVrPsJpBBMRAgApAhsDBgsJCAcDAgQVAggD BBYCAwECHgECF4ACGQEFAlebrdMFCRLbCPcACgkQ+cr96znPxN5+cwCcCiD+RtNETuwrJo/w VW6zxIgpf4EAoJD5X6f0ZCc7SQK1SxNGHsfGxGqszsFNBEpkP1wQCADLBFgne5fv8iToSzoD xmqmVOFH4JqzWdXTmZWLaul+IR16ikbfIa0CkrDs566vg5XEH+rzgicNwAsYi93a5sqdFTyx 39rZx3fZ7H47ZxexRXjgHAqXpvBiV63wnkZmxbXPLBNczACtbfUOt2/mXJTOBe9o0ElK438n CWOIzAIkt9pVvoBKmtc1oMAQJDB+oGNnobdfIlgoQv9fTVoICc/CvTcO7GhqbRcKJZ/HQMfn zKywJVZz0ToIHJR8BCTa4kW4vBDYN+T7/VJqawqUQLXP1j6Pq2V/qYNvhROztEzo85QPqrY4 9rG7EiaPRM5VbwbyWGTYrdPh18+mStwBYvwjAAMGB/9deA8BqE92K7BAiH4HdGvSRzuWyYoj 76NPi5gcXhhp2492WspWhK20T5Hhx6YBAJ9fJ0tdChtkMu76eRmlGLbtiTGbhUEOWFE9R6Hb IB4VpKA3RibwhRE81JZlDUWEtid/FdAHa9fahFCQnQ1qiZ72sHJy7aswtTvsg5i+nuw3Hyr7 yTTcLhVnSro5icbYGpZoNGhA6CY0RE6+vJ2/wUKAABc+BajWaqRrwxYG9kxVLMssrv8Xl8tm cqDMFBv2nEw8O+UfMd/hnIEeNbHw03z7c1CQNz+lWAG/3Z1OWCv+wNrmRoG4S2mnABpdOQ02 OyYjyG9Stxon4u1XP0nVsyYzwk8EGBECAA8FAkpkP1wCGwwFCQPCZwAACgkQ+cr96znPxN7l 4wCfS49+pWFwZdI14CSqoLQ1RJs/2A4AnjkW1TMfjAv96S7E7JWIYK0MGXwHwk8EGBECAA8C GwwFAk4EbesFCQdilYwACgkQ+cr96znPxN424ACbBNwNWCVhLKlPgTkzMlsP5Jl9gosAnAth oAPrx31rPVjY1LtztFDzZZnRwk8EGBECAA8CGwwFAlebre4FCRLbCRIACgkQ+cr96znPxN5d EQCggVlmjSYNqEglVlg7ygPOfcdvfiwAmwUBRzO0AN0CM4MzzTdAr/SPCQay Message-ID: <498f7321-a0b3-44fd-5f9e-50eefc1f1e22@isc.org> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:35:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:35:40 -0000 On 09/04/2018 16:26, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: > Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are > implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to the > relevant UK law about VAT invoices? It's not that simple. AIUI, EU *Directives* have to be encoded into national legislation, but EU *Regulations* do not. See e.g. which says: > section 2(1) means that provisions of EU law that are directly > applicable or have direct effect, such as EU Regulations or certain > articles of the EU Treaties, are automatically "without further > enactment" incorporated and binding in national law without the need > for a further Act of Parliament I don't know which category the VAT rules that Jordi mentioned belong to. Ray From nobody Mon Apr 9 08:46:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7517E12AAB6 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e6csoFYLpGR0 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5444912025C for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1523288795; x=1523893595; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=hkPSpYP5 Y3WknHlDHUr2l/WAdVw8U/KrfqzTyparbPc=; b=ePoUzpF3Rv0QtXyhVm46g12a fXx40BCTHgOCzy4dN0utNOX/sK/3DGLNvtpk/cbfVgSUsTNFgiQX3L2xvTS6GDKF 2ICWTNg6VwvherZfimazsnbvKFEUXve02dpvVQK+5g3No0diKHCT0zX2TNLUZbYF m+fIzQ+FXjvGyvs/lf8= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:46:35 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:46:35 +0200 Received: from [84.88.5.110] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50005747596.msg for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:46:35 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 10.8.10.10 X-MDHelo: [84.88.5.110] X-MDArrival-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:46:35 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=16376b2da5=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 101attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.b.0.180311 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:46:33 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [101attendees] VAT invoices References: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:46:39 -0000 I will need to ask to my tax agent, but that's what they told me every time= I provide an invoice after more than 2 wees. I've been able to find the Sp= anish regulation about that, but of course is in Spanish and will not help = too much here, because in case the company doing the IETF invoices is the s= ame as previously, they are French, and we will need to check the equivalen= t French law. I was able to find this, but only in English, probably a French speaking ca= n find a better link. Anyway, I doubt there is a too much different period of time comparing the = different countries across Europe. Regards, Jordi =20 =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Organizaci=C3=B3n: Taughannock Networks Fecha: lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 17:27 Para: <101attendees@ietf.org> CC: Asunto: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices In article you wr= ite: >I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly that it = should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after >the payment or service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, so the= provider is doing already an illegal >act. =20 Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? =20 Tnx, John =20 _______________________________________________ 101attendees mailing list 101attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees =20 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the i= ndividual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, = copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if p= artially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be cons= idered a criminal offense. 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From nobody Mon Apr 9 08:48:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9520712AAB6 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=open-xchange.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cgG0bQylOnz4 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.open-xchange.com (alcatraz.open-xchange.com [87.191.39.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A57124BE8 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open-xchange.com (imap.open-xchange.com [10.20.30.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx4.open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 761AB6A361; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:48:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=open-xchange.com; s=201705; t=1523288932; bh=3C8W6jwwho6mvg26VF0eUC9bP9JvHb/OsXo02YoANSs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=IBV4BgpwXqn/ad9Vj0GXKgB9izV+wVrA8GhyZViG0v5a0UK+fSwjfNnn7+on7vsxj qvxd0LRhvu996XPUfHuFTgSyNwj7FUBEhNo8oMKhRineXyuBKkh1i5eGuI8HpDRzUO iD+oVp082ZLmLxit0BhjYh+iPWHVQ4v9btymyCPBHE2KRiMIjnKX1nPjKBIP7pqS2U +ovloY9B+I4ebIcEXxGBBMFXc+jTPydsxuHKCSOhvITNm4NiwgJKpKStNSqW3basKL In3Ux+mXiI9MMVmDbn/L+QZcB+/dPlMxiwwPc5vcJ2OR+BhA6S1pVTAc/y+dKfApgg e6NNaqL427kTg== Received: from null (appsuite-dev-gw1.open-xchange.com [10.20.30.221]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by open-xchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 526CB3C002D; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:47:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Vittorio Bertola To: ietf@johnlevine.com, 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Message-ID: <1704610055.2348.1523288843332@appsuite-dev.open-xchange.com> In-Reply-To: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> References: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.0-Rev4 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:48:56 -0000 > Il 9 aprile 2018 alle 17.26 ietf@johnlevine.com ha scritto: >=20 >=20 > In article you writ= e: > >I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly that it sh= ould be sent in a maximum of 15 days after > >the payment or service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, so the p= rovider is doing already an illegal > >act. >=20 > Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are > implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to > the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? It's actually a French invoice with UK VAT (ah, Europe), so I'm not sure wh= ich laws apply, and whether they are national or European. In Italy, the de= adline would be the 15th of the month following the one in which the paymen= t was made; I wouldn't be surprised if other EU countries had the same rule= , and in this case the deadline would be April 15 for anyone who paid in Ma= rch. Still, since companies have to deliver their monthly VAT reports by th= e same deadline, it is considered kind not to wait until the very last day = to send the invoice. This may be why the next batch was promised to be done= by April 11. (I just got mine this afternoon.) Regards, --=20 Vittorio Bertola | Head of Policy & Innovation, Open-Xchange vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com Office @ Via Treviso 12, 10144 Torino, Italy From nobody Mon Apr 9 08:52:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B263612E039 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=steffann.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WXdo1BQw-1FM for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sintact.nl (mail.sintact.nl [IPv6:2001:9e0:803::6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8568C12025C for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C154A; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:52:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=steffann.nl; h= x-mailer:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date :date:in-reply-to:from:from:subject:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-type:received:received; s=mail; t= 1523289134; bh=sfjRU+HZPDb6Ia0WqdUpIl7W17dxkcPkLGrK+T+nWZE=; b=R WxOw7ckvZ/QZqSc1a68XxEXPwUyM8r4DT+FGuCCmrrPpcYiyHAuy52OV7CXNCxjR /rriIEzX96YxTSh+phPLJT+lOeEU0R3gdLRT6njkLU/IFXnHpSwdokZ0BSK7zded 5q1RaKsmJqatjuhFhLUdG0C7T1Ggql+dPOlj1czn9Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.sintact.nl Received: from mail.sintact.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sintact.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id GCgbp5TXj5Tx; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:52:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:a213:a301:1000:65b9:4a92:c057:ddfc] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:a213:a301:1000:65b9:4a92:c057:ddfc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2427149; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:52:13 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett From: Sander Steffann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:52:12 +0200 Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62B4992D-818A-4C55-B892-6BA8B4555C1C@steffann.nl> References: <56334894-8189-3c5a-7e1c-192f3441d1cc@innovationslab.net> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:52:24 -0000 Hi Jordi. > I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly that it = should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after the payment or = service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, so the provider is = doing already an illegal act. The UK Government has a reasonably clear overview of requirements for = VAT invoices: https://www.gov.uk/vat-record-keeping/vat-invoices It states: "Usually VAT invoices must be issued within 30 days of the = date of supply or the date of payment (if you=E2=80=99re paid in = advance)." I have never heard of a deadline as short as 15 days. 30 days sounds = more familiair to me. Cheers, Sander From nobody Mon Apr 9 09:09:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59613126CD8 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMfeALt5c-UN for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpextng.isae.fr (smtpextng.isae.fr [192.93.254.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E6312D77A for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supmail (supmail.isae.fr [10.132.1.9]) by smtpextng.isae.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D171269; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 18:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wali-edu.isae.fr (wali-edu.isae.fr [10.132.1.38]) by supmail (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB3C885F7; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 18:09:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: To: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" From: "FINZI Anais" Message-ID: <6b15-5acb9080-309-50391680@56137432> X-Forward: 94.46.13.130, 10.132.1.63 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 18:10:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" User-Agent: SOGoMail 2.3.22 Cc: =?utf-8?q?101attendees=40ietf=2Eorg?= <101attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] =?utf-8?b?Pz09P3V0Zi04P3E/ICBWQVQgaW52b2ljZXM=?= X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:09:16 -0000 Hi Jordi, I found this link on a French government website: https://www.service-p= ublic.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F23208 The deadline is 15 days after payment or service/produce delivery, 1 mo= nth max in some cases. regards, Ana=C3=AFs Le Lundi 9 Avril 2018 17:46 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit: > I will need to ask to my tax agent, but that's what they told me ever= y time I provide an invoice after more than 2 wees. I've been able to f= ind the Spanish regulation about that, but of course is in Spanish and = will not help too much here, because in case the company doing the IETF= invoices is the same as previously, they are French, and we will need = to check the equivalent French law. > > I was able to find this, but only in English, probably a French speak= ing can find a better link. > > Anyway, I doubt there is a too much different period of time comparin= g the different countries across Europe. > > Regards, > Jordi > > =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- > De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de > Organizaci=C3=B3n: Taughannock Networks > Fecha: lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 17:27 > Para: <101attendees@ietf.org> > CC: > Asunto: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices > > In article = you write: > >I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly th= at it should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after > >the payment or service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, = so the provider is doing already an illegal > >act. > > Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are= > implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to= > the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? > > Tnx, > John > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.consulintel.es > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged = or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive us= e of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorize= d disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this info= rmation, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohi= bited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the int= ended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or = use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including a= ttached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal of= fense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this co= mmunication and delete it. > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Mon Apr 9 09:09:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6268712D777 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[none] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3DlVGh-ipsXA for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [93.186.33.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B25C12D77A for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gromit.rfc1035.com (gromit.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shaun.rfc1035.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07337242147B; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Jim Reid In-Reply-To: <498f7321-a0b3-44fd-5f9e-50eefc1f1e22@isc.org> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 17:09:36 +0100 Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180409152659.5155324523C8@ary.qy> <498f7321-a0b3-44fd-5f9e-50eefc1f1e22@isc.org> To: Ray Bellis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:09:40 -0000 On 9 Apr 2018, at 16:35, Ray Bellis wrote: >=20 > On 09/04/2018 16:26, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: >=20 >> Could you provide us with a link to the >> relevant UK law about VAT invoices? >=20 > It's not that simple. > .... >=20 > I don't know which category the VAT rules that Jordi mentioned belong = to. How does this amateur lawyering and beancountery help anyone get their = missing VAT receipt? A problem=E2=80=99s been identified and ASML has told us their agent is = fixing it. 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Could you provide us with a link to > the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? John As the invoice says, the relevant law is UK VAT Act 1994; this was a supply made in the UK and I think any mention of France is irrelevant. Getting out my handy copy of Notice 700, from HMRC, it reminds me that the basic tax point is when the supply of services is complete, say 23rd March 2018, and the actual tax point can be up to 14 days later at the time when the invoice is issued. My invoice is dated 31/3/2018 (n.b. March!) which falls within those 14 days so that is my actual tax point. I received the invoice on April 9th which seems reasonable. The claim for VAT then falls within the relevant VAT accounting period, usually three months, but can be longer for a small business. The period end is allocated by, and staggered by, HMRC; if the period ends on 31March, then that makes any delay rather awkward to handle. VAT more or less predates UK membership of Europe - it was a precondition of joining Europe - but there is considerable national flexibility on e.g. what rates there are and what is subject to VAT at all so I suspect that EU law does not change anything. I have never had to consider EU directives, even when attending a workshop in Holland (but the hassle of claiming for cross-border supplies tends to put me off). . 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The next batch should be sent out within = the next few days and sent directly to your email. >>=20 >>=20 >> My Best, >>=20 >> Jenny Bui >> IETF Global Administrative Coordinator >> T: +1 510-492-4082 >> F: +1 510-492-4001 >> Managed by Association >> Management Solutions (AMS) >>=20 >>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi >>>=20 >>> When I paid the attendance fee, I got a receipt that says "This is = not a VAT invoice" and that the real invoice would be mailed within 45 = days. >>>=20 >>> Do we know when these VAT invoices are going to be sent? >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>>=20 >>> Yoav >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 101attendees mailing list >>> 101attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 101attendees mailing list >> 101attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2C763E4E-7619-422F-87D7-CB831CEA92CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEE9OWnAqT2UIzvSbaAuEkLFQpYzJkFAlrNiKIACgkQuEkLFQpY zJmDVQf/U0yNZ5qNlMwYLJpXa3YvGYndd2G7W5G1daBfNCV0sCLKC37PCRI5RRxs 8TQ4LMvvqycMc0wHPu2UlH8phI7WL0UDLHd5OCq1vLaGHVphKKmyIK08HpH0zc4C pqv/InBJmHbYe3iWp4rUNEW1yH351rUfAovArhDydYlK/849AYbgfOiq7Mi9gUEc Tfe04i8bDJO2cVEmrxPWwATnxnM2fVGu4iVQxH/A2GDhWJZRkMnbQSLB1JTp4bPE jSNPTFc9DG/c31/9/gu0ZOCRNBd8Zy4F+NRVACnuY5nYSUlKTV82ThjD0SswA2Qm 41u2bjyywzc6v5C0LdWCrUwxnWyfVA== =sLmE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2C763E4E-7619-422F-87D7-CB831CEA92CA-- From nobody Wed Apr 11 00:27:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC631205F0 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAD_ENC_HEADER=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6U5DpJuoHqVm for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95C42120721 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id w3B7R42H017942 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:27:04 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CE3432019B7 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07242019B0 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id w3B7R4iR021306 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:27:04 +0200 To: 101attendees@ietf.org References: <6b15-5acb9080-309-50391680@56137432> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:27:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6b15-5acb9080-309-50391680@56137432> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040501040500080802050509" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] ?==?utf-8?q? VAT invoices X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:27:10 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040501040500080802050509 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------826CF822BF7B820F663E8ED2" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------826CF822BF7B820F663E8ED2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the link. YEsterday I received the VAT paper from IETF and immediately forwarded=20 it to my employer advising to recover the 50 UK pounds or so of VAT.=C2=A0= =20 It's money saved for the project, so I could use it to buy some=20 high-performance recent hardware to experiment with new IPv6 technology. However, my acountant(s) worry because it is really late, since my=20 expense declarations for this IETF already went through the internal=20 accounting flow. This is the second time I get through this and I still think it will not = happen (get the VAT back). In the mean time, I have a suggestion: make it simpler because it's not=20 normal to waste money systematically. -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 09/04/2018 =C3=A0 18:10, FINZI Anais a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Hi Jordi, > > I found this link on a French government website: https://www.service-p= ublic.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F23208 > > The deadline is 15 days after payment or service/produce delivery, 1 mo= nth max in some cases. > > regards, > Ana=C3=AFs > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Le Lundi 9 Avril 2018 17:46 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit: > =20 >> I will need to ask to my tax agent, but that's what they told me every= time I provide an invoice after more than 2 wees. I've been able to find= the Spanish regulation about that, but of course is in Spanish and will = not help too much here, because in case the company doing the IETF invoic= es is the same as previously, they are French, and we will need to check = the equivalent French law. >> >> I was able to find this, but only in English, probably a French speaki= ng can find a better link. >> >> Anyway, I doubt there is a too much different period of time comparing= the different countries across Europe. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- >> De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de >> Organizaci=C3=B3n: Taughannock Networks >> Fecha: lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 17:27 >> Para: <101attendees@ietf.org> >> CC: >> Asunto: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices >> >> In article = you write: >> >I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly th= at it should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after >> >the payment or service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, = so the provider is doing already an illegal >> >act. >> =20 >> Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are >> implmented in national law. Could you provide us with a link to >> the relevant UK law about VAT invoices? >> =20 >> Tnx, >> John >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 101attendees mailing list >> 101attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees >> =20 >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> http://www.consulintel.es >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged o= r confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use o= f the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized dis= closure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information= , even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and= will be considered a criminal offense. 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Thanks for the link.<= /font>

YEsterday I received = the VAT paper from IETF and immediately forwarded it to my employer= advising to recover the 50 UK pounds or so of VAT.=C2=A0 It's m= oney saved for the project, so I could use it to buy some high-performance recent hardware to experiment with new IPv6 technology.

However, my acountant= (s) worry because it is really late, since my expense declarations for this IETF already went through the internal accounting flow.

This is the second ti= me I get through this and I still think it will not happen (get the VAT back).

In the mean time, I h= ave a suggestion: make it simpler because it's not normal to waste money systematically.

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 09/04/2018 =C3=A0 18:10, FINZI Anai= s a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Jordi,

I found this link on a French government website: https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entrep=
rises/vosdroits/F23208=20

The deadline is 15 days after payment or service/produce delivery, 1 mont=
h max  in some cases.

regards,
Ana=C3=AFs
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=20
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=20
=20
Le Lundi 9 Avril 2018 17:46 CEST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.pal=
et@consulintel.es> a =C3=A9crit:=20
=20

I will need to ask to my tax agent, but that's wha=
t they told me every time I provide an invoice after more than 2 wees. I'=
ve been able to find the Spanish regulation about that, but of course is =
in Spanish and will not help too much here, because in case the company d=
oing the IETF invoices is the same as previously, they are French, and we=
 will need to check the equivalent French law.

I was able to find this, but only in English, probably a French speaking =
can find a better link.

Anyway, I doubt there is a too much different period of time comparing th=
e different countries across Europe.

Regards,
Jordi
=20
=EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original-----
De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nom=
bre de <ietf@johnlevine.com>
Organizaci=C3=B3n: Taughannock Networks
Fecha: lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 17:27
Para: <101attendees@ietf.org>
CC: <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Asunto: Re: [101attendees] VAT invoices

    In article <F665A221-78F9-401D-8509-=
0DFBA9C5EB28@consulintel.es> you write:
    >I=E2=80=99ve not got it either, and the EU law states clearly tha=
t it should be sent in a maximum of 15 days after
    >the payment or service/produce delivery, what it comes earlier, s=
o the provider is doing already an illegal
    >act.
   =20
    Sorry, I'm not familiar with EU law, just EU directives that are
    implmented in national law.  Could you provide us with a link to
    the relevant UK law about VAT invoices?
   =20
    Tnx,
    John
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<101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 01:41:50 -0000 Just tried to register IETF 102, Montreal. However, the URLs given at https= ://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/102/ does not work. Not sure if registration h= as not started yet or there is a technical issue there.=20 For IETF 102 organizers: Guess quite a number of delegates (including me) n= eed to apply visa for travel to Canada, and this shall take two months for = processing. So, hope the URLs for registering meeting, issuing visa letter = and booking hotel room can work well.=20 Thanks, Guilin=20 From nobody Thu Apr 19 18:56:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAA31270A7 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4tsuqjgGFWC7 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2BC1270A0 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id q5-v6so2856149lff.12 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OsmgLXposVqiCQ06eqPVS6dV1xuyr+jsUY5VDlWZf4I=; b=IrGJLa+CoplhnTCxJM5OKecP0tbvR5AgC3hxw034vk9+Dpk3S1DaegUE5dx+eYQKRi jG6pipXPUX7z6jUK1Yr6x//0O0nZnvj28b10QQh8I/nx+GC9LLVOewY0fAnRTwx+30WL FVr0iLYzsHIcJ1AqNfyx5/0DtliZirNMX1wWEYnDsTPtU/otKjGTZbhHx0jaTqpjWUC5 bjPT+3xGYAf7hUI0qrRyafyUZbx/eCBMG6tE80FAoRUiGzJrx39Cory56VvPZqXThkxt Qo2VNXq1GDsDBEeWOSoEui5hXUcgiGpKzcWkDLd3r1SLdYTzrMWP7MRdD1LPV9zmXy77 1MQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OsmgLXposVqiCQ06eqPVS6dV1xuyr+jsUY5VDlWZf4I=; b=Ld3O5tFbsBw5+LLVXE/0+AKQ96ZyeePwBWiV/UewVBnEKBbRGFgbyuvMraIaOsQZ7H qVFAk5ChUA1MJHREKfyp9RzCj52NzMrnxB5qCBgn8rPxrLpOkK0seWdFujP8Jew3MBTs JHXNzGuAHx4dOpFvQVUFvoX9Www8z0WhryHsvuWEVL30U7uPHLw3z83jK9Kd2V7hnhtT HFRK3L+6RnOFk2ErheIrS/ZyYNh4jUDYX/lvmVjd/A6jaLAzOmLDC2iZ98DWATS2aDPH 5H9957qp/fQOnfo/YHbPbnTTEonbtLetm1+BWU9so1D55piwVNot5MxSgzpRPHYXtkwu wWCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAUHRaHjg3yUhzSW9Hs/HKiG3H/B5FuXMprwF+nWQ4+JsRGBZdO 16DBCpO6nVbnBeY7XQ8xmcJvBYJlWW1pJRJ1Eno= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49HvyMKYXrdbyqG/oZodhlORQdLXsB7W1HuUi2cTifrGcyRo3X0c8smWJBviirSs8EVCqiv0gLEmc0/RB+cWTM= X-Received: by 10.46.131.197 with SMTP id s5mr5615380ljh.72.1524189394971; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:d209:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Bimi Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:56:34 +1300 Message-ID: To: Wang Guilin Cc: IETF 101 Attendees <101attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 01:56:39 -0000 This was the same case for myself if i can get advice and help into getting this please On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Wang Guilin wrote= : > Just tried to register IETF 102, Montreal. However, the URLs given at htt= ps://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/102/ does not work. Not sure if registration= has not started yet or there is a technical issue there. > > For IETF 102 organizers: Guess quite a number of delegates (including me)= need to apply visa for travel to Canada, and this shall take two months fo= r processing. So, hope the URLs for registering meeting, issuing visa lette= r and booking hotel room can work well. > > Thanks, > > Guilin > > > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees --=20 Regards, Selu From nobody Thu Apr 19 19:14:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F30D127076 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=DrbJTo81; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=r5xv9RsQ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YPBVerPrzY79 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D6BB126D0C for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15102 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2018 02:14:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=3afc.5ad94d0c.k1804; bh=wE+r9eXskfJ47mmWEPmImrt39tK8R3hSheaX+EhfRjI=; b=DrbJTo81IaDFPz69HinYa/xUXfY8TlLj2pXWUbqlRKOCbxNOMyuumOi3YUNByzT9GCRITEt/Tp0D4j34WuVGuE4JZJXT62LlqrvBn3vMq1jfZq/EZH3JDqXU3tIQdRiH7nn29OuZwbovkGRNAjbRWRpqQxmaG4DD9OmtFWj4wuTJS0+RdKpRefgwEFmQEyG2au9UtPPlWFBrR/q7+JDud9fl1Tmbr0HtxfZWNMRCRnv9l1U/FX39aePSBdLYBofX DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=3afc.5ad94d0c.k1804; bh=wE+r9eXskfJ47mmWEPmImrt39tK8R3hSheaX+EhfRjI=; b=r5xv9RsQoS+xoTJ1syLnBvOEa98eBbiSJFT/aqs214QdYur1CDim3vya5zZk8mCWr0AhfivpOJnRmjQ+zYbKmYkYpl0QB9FXyj5ZU3YmGhdfbEH95TixMUVrpwVwgboOTW730RPS48VzW8RbDKWqcr02XYE51DUZeMf8YjvFsvk0k++qEKbgl7QmYEZI5iFknmdl3H6TegHMy06EkE9oi3Ii9wz5fqZX9Cl/dviK/SjQY/hAGvsW+nn7dFiJCDL/ Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 20 Apr 2018 02:14:36 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id E4D7F2546388; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: 19 Apr 2018 22:14:35 -0400 Message-Id: <20180420021435.E4D7F2546388@ary.qy> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: Wang.Guilin@huawei.com In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 02:14:40 -0000 In article you write: >Just tried to register IETF 102, Montreal. However, the URLs given at https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/102/ does not work. Not sure if >registration has not started yet or there is a technical issue there. https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/important-dates/ The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. R's, John From nobody Thu Apr 19 19:21:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3ED127076 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjUgzbdNKQfP for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B143126D0C for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f9LgK-0005wN-9C; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 02:21:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:21:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: ietf@johnlevine.com Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20180420021435.E4D7F2546388@ary.qy> References: <20180420021435.E4D7F2546388@ary.qy> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 02:21:51 -0000 > The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. the iaoc must be mostly north americans. have we not gone through the visa lead time issue enough times? randy From nobody Thu Apr 19 19:45:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696BC126C89 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:45:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=H7Ui1jGl; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=u3KRuEd2 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TANK1nh35DvA for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D57AF124BFA for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19767 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2018 02:45:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=4d35.5ad9542e.k1804; bh=Ujq4IcksGvz/Ic2Fzsih1TUFUF9Gq0Y5E2CkDd/j0II=; b=H7Ui1jGlXUUBlc/pHcXL8t2oRghkai+UoNSS7FbFM7cuIyIYVeDPldkDJyXkEFoWWAuI7hMQWGJLIjr+HV3AOcqqqO2GTZXJsFQxLbQgB+JhKpqojpiyBgdrGSyBH6aRMhNcGVyOWIMdmCJr8dCGMGFp5HOC0RXTfnbLSogXsY/ol/9NzLTgw8tEuiRCPSQ5yUwIA747MKnJkQ3pMk2W6qNucfqX0RPF7lJ3pUrReeTUMaboidZKaZ+elsqeFSVb DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=4d35.5ad9542e.k1804; bh=Ujq4IcksGvz/Ic2Fzsih1TUFUF9Gq0Y5E2CkDd/j0II=; b=u3KRuEd2JQ1tiz3wL2boajbOQrSFzrEm5x3Zu+tj1cYzSBfKTXOabEYzIUYj9d//+m/uL1qWHIQ+KN6+JDkzViNsIxcS8vvQunDKyAN4q2jm1QCIS7EmZfQr87cK+EEeSG3tKQE6yZnbbkYkypVr5BGbsREEnalQIv6lUtaRbZWYclTA/MqkqoOQEev+31HRlqZWzAKlei5Yw2scNb5YZN/CoHaRIcHKgn1kkWMq8ztRCMriFwZI+gsq58eh7uJ8 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 20 Apr 2018 02:45:02 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 71E5D254669E; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: 19 Apr 2018 22:45:01 -0400 Message-Id: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: randy@psg.com In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 02:45:06 -0000 In article you write: >> The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. > >the iaoc must be mostly north americans. have we not gone through the >visa lead time issue enough times? There's more than two months between May 7 and July 14. How many visas take more than 10 weeks to get? R's, John From nobody Thu Apr 19 20:09:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AF0126D0C for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 20:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EmPNzA__HdkS for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 20:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80BA7126C89 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2018 04:35:35 +0100 Received: from SINEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.123]) by SINEML706-CAH.china.huawei.com ([10.223.161.56]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:35:21 +0800 From: Wang Guilin To: "ietf@johnlevine.com" , "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> CC: "randy@psg.com" , Wang Guilin Thread-Topic: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal Thread-Index: AdPYR3UXpiJ5BI+nQg2i3aal0mZWiv//haCAgAACA4CAAAZ+gP//cusg Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 03:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.215.22.85] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 03:35:41 -0000 Yes, there are 10 weeks from May 7 to July 14. However, a few buffering wee= ks are needed to finalize travel arrangements and prepare for the meeting. = Otherwise, risky and too hurry.=20 Guilin -----Original Message----- From: 101attendees [mailto:101attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ietf= @johnlevine.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:45 AM To: 101attendees@ietf.org Cc: randy@psg.com Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal In article you write: >> The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. > >the iaoc must be mostly north americans. have we not gone through the=20 >visa lead time issue enough times? There's more than two months between May 7 and July 14. How many visas tak= e more than 10 weeks to get? R's, John _______________________________________________ 101attendees mailing list 101attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Thu Apr 19 22:01:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EE3120726 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3ORTqt2FcA8 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A515120713 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 22:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id B11CEB0; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:01:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1524200510; bh=rDxLpxDTR1Om/z2k82BsBJveKZe9h/XVWqs6/JYC4Oo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Zya9C4TGHgyjrPwELk8P3eJEyxFibBUJXvwXFm13flanUQsZ6hgWt4eTK9llTZYmP lksIdsj0zE2i4XNRJ7/Fo6om9O9NQ1n363YxOEilEmD1KrFcTk0Vl8afKwXI//tGxw U9A96Tr1EeV2hQK4xh1Wgmfv0DFIO1a88EYcZcjo= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE096AF; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:01:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: ietf@johnlevine.com cc: 101attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> Message-ID: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:01:55 -0000 On Fri, 19 Apr 2018, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: > There's more than two months between May 7 and July 14. How many visas > take more than 10 weeks to get? Do you typically book your flights a few weeks before you fly? I don't. And for a lot of people, booking flights before they have a visa means they might be wasting money in case they have a non-refundable ticket (which is my default). So yes, I can understand if people want to start the visa application process more than 10 weeks before the meeting. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Fri Apr 20 04:48:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695A126BF6 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 04:48:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id elwsroQa8R-s for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 04:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59272120454 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 04:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f9UWb-0000D3-8A; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:48:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 04:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Wang Guilin Cc: "ietf@johnlevine.com" , "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:48:27 -0000 > Yes, there are 10 weeks from May 7 to July 14. However, a few > buffering weeks are needed to finalize travel arrangements and prepare > for the meeting. Otherwise, risky and too hurry. some folk must travel to other countries to get visas as they have no consulate for the destination in their country. it's a mess. randy From nobody Fri Apr 20 05:25:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2AF126BF0 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJCLWLHRzglH for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaadcmhout01.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhout01.cable.comcast.com [96.114.28.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F7C71200A0 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; 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[96.20.62.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w22-v6sm4820286qtg.60.2018.04.20.05.30.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: ietf@johnlevine.com, 101attendees@ietf.org, randy@psg.com Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:30:35 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.1r5471) Message-ID: <5A900C71-BDDE-4769-A7B8-0EE37833CA94@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:30:58 -0000 On 20 Apr 2018, at 8:25, Livingood, Jason wrote: > I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. Why > not open it 1 day after the end of the prior meeting? Or open it 364 > days before each meeting or whatever? This seems to regularly recur as > a question - so there must be a way to remove the friction / take the > issue off the table... Agree. the issue at hand seems to be getting a letter of invitation to start the visa process. Delivering a letter of invitation is in my understanding mechanically done (or it should be). In this case, as soon as the venue is confirmed/contracted, we can deliver those! I’m pretty sure the ioac is well aware of that, so I wonder what blocks to provide it early. Marc. > > Jason > > > On 4/19/18, 10:45 PM, "101attendees on behalf of > ietf@johnlevine.com" <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of > ietf@johnlevine.com> wrote: > > In article you write: > >> The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. > > > >the iaoc must be mostly north americans. have we not gone > through the > >visa lead time issue enough times? > > There's more than two months between May 7 and July 14. How many > visas take more than 10 weeks to get? > > R's, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Fri Apr 20 05:35:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204381273B1; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGH1toWFp8CP; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3108126CB6; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1524227704; x=1524832504; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=p6O20g/G UZxkUc/ChaBmJm/YXzCcalgnWy2OO441Pvo=; b=vD8T1BgFNR25Zt8Lqg8zSgQe vjc6/EWBQWg45t/aSmuc51OypT790gXufnopNn7DWMT9xtPwocysJCuQgGFpr7Ap ZQatTztiwiCFbbzzabkXf4mJppwxOu6HiBk2bzEj0aU+cvQH7XhVIJsl1wHAtJmO iFh2SB/Rn8Dg+cHN4Fg= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:35:04 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:35:03 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.129] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50005754923.msg; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:35:02 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:d4ae:e656:7f02:9c4d X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.129] X-MDArrival-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:35:02 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=1648015884=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:35:01 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <101attendees@ietf.org>, Message-ID: <23081518-B57F-40F4-8D7B-A3DE2E4D43DD@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:35:09 -0000 +1 I will say even more than that. Once a venue contract has been signed, everything must be ready in a matter= of few weeks and both, registration and hotel booking should be possible, = EVEN if that means that sometimes you can book everything more than 1-2 yea= rs in advance. For many people planning ahead is key. I tend to book my flights around 1 y= ear in advance, as well as hotels. I'm not using my IETF (or other work trips), generally, for vacations, but = some people do, and they extend their trip (or travel ahead the event), for= that. It looks like IAOC or whoever has the decision on this, really enjoy= not letting them planning ahead? There is no VALID reason at all why IETF is ridiculous holding this, no sen= se at all. If there is any reason, please publicly explain it. Or it is also one of th= e IAOC secrets? Regards, Jordi =20 =20 =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Livingood, J= ason" Fecha: viernes, 20 de abril de 2018, 14:26 Para: "ietf@johnlevine.com" , "101attendees@ietf.org" = <101attendees@ietf.org> CC: "randy@psg.com" Asunto: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. Why n= ot open it 1 day after the end of the prior meeting? Or open it 364 days be= fore each meeting or whatever? This seems to regularly recur as a question = - so there must be a way to remove the friction / take the issue off the ta= ble... =20 Jason =20 =20 =EF=BB=BFOn 4/19/18, 10:45 PM, "101attendees on behalf of ietf@johnlevi= ne.com" <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of ietf@johnlevine.com> wr= ote: =20 In article you write: >> The calendar says that registration opens the week of May 7. > >the iaoc must be mostly north americans. have we not gone through= the >visa lead time issue enough times? =20 There's more than two months between May 7 and July 14. 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From nobody Fri Apr 20 05:48:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0065812D77C for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ky7Pyj-PVgG4 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mu.afrinic.net (smtp.afrinic.net [IPv6:2001:43f8:90:606::169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3CBB12751F for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [154.71.16.125] (port=62828 helo=[192.168.0.17]) by smtp.mu.afrinic.net with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1f9VS0-000Dp8-NK; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:47:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 17:08:19 +0400 From: Mukom Akong T To: Wang Guilin , Randy Bush Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?ietf=40johnlevine.com?=" , "=?utf-8?Q?101attendees=40ietf.org?=" <101attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <85705b09-171d-44bf-a8bd-1806091617e8@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 85705b09-171d-44bf-a8bd-1806091617e8@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5ad9e650_74b0dc51_32cd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:48:23 -0000 --5ad9e650_74b0dc51_32cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 20 Apr 2018, 15:52 +0400, Randy Bush , wrote: > > some folk must travel to other countries to get visas as they have no > consulate for the destination in their country. 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On 20 Apr 2018, 15:52 +0400, Randy Bush <randy=40psg.com>, wrote:

some folk must travel to other countries to get visas as they have n= o
consulate for the destination in their country. &=23160;


And sometimes, you need a visa to travel to the country from which t= o apply for a visa.

--5ad9e650_74b0dc51_32cd-- From nobody Fri Apr 20 05:49:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF3A12D77A; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:49:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UbxHQP6eZhYD; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (smtp.v6.rfc1035.com [IPv6:2001:4b10:100:7::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4062C12751F; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gromit.rfc1035.com (gromit.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shaun.rfc1035.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2D54242148E; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Jim Reid In-Reply-To: <23081518-B57F-40F4-8D7B-A3DE2E4D43DD@consulintel.es> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:49:24 +0100 Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <23081518-B57F-40F4-8D7B-A3DE2E4D43DD@consulintel.es> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:49:28 -0000 > On 20 Apr 2018, at 13:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >=20 > Once a venue contract has been signed,... registration and hotel = booking should be possible, Indeed. Invitation letters to start the visa application process should = be a no-brainer too. > EVEN if that means that sometimes you can book everything more than = 1-2 years in advance. Maybe not. IIRC IETF102 was originally planned to be in San Francisco = and the venue/country got changed less than 1-2 years in advance. Other = organisations have had to switch locations for their meetings with only = a few month notice. Though I suppose there=E2=80=99s no harm done if = people apply for visas that they later no longer need to use. 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This was actually a topic of some informal discussion at the recent IAOC retreat. I gather there have been some logistical issues in opening registration sooner, and they're being worked. I don't have an ETA for details about the improvements, but I take this current thread as indicating some need to explain in detail the way the registration system is working and what plans there are for altering it. In the meantime, I urge anyone who needs a visa to register as early as possible and get the letter requests in, so that the Secretariat can process everything as quickly as possible. Best regards, Andrew (IAOC chair, but speaking as an individual IAOC member) -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Fri Apr 20 06:03:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AA612D77A; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUglwaVcIsew; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09D7B12751F; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1524229374; x=1524834174; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References: In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=XKoX1cAgzkwHEcHsu9NXoLdnjH/JZzOWOu1IoZzXszE=; b=UpxmCENf5VKnY AQBFBeCpDK9aL0nC+hJIW6MQjZ+xuXZEOGNvP1lG5zAw1MG6IjMtTMkf/xc1+ncB 906emgjO/umyxo93Wt5lCrkaUq+IObRLqMKp2bd36Iwoj1sT/pR1TDheCszt+B9F +5lVji3pl0k3knC3XkTPKAm1x7qYtM= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:02:54 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:02:53 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.129] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50005754946.msg; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:02:52 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:48a:652a:7076:7a88 X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.129] X-MDArrival-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:02:52 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=1648015884=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:02:50 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Jim Reid CC: , <101attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <9F3ABF9D-2348-4E11-B29E-D1713E4D1797@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <23081518-B57F-40F4-8D7B-A3DE2E4D43DD@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:03:00 -0000 I know that case, but this is a very rare case if we look into the history = of the last 100 of IETF meetings ... The point is that there is no sense you can't book (at your own risk) once = the contract has been signed. Regards, Jordi =20 =20 =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jim Reid Fecha: viernes, 20 de abril de 2018, 14:49 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: , <101attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal =20 =20 > On 20 Apr 2018, at 13:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >=20 > Once a venue contract has been signed,... registration and hotel book= ing should be possible, =20 Indeed. Invitation letters to start the visa application process should= be a no-brainer too. =20 > EVEN if that means that sometimes you can book everything more than 1= -2 years in advance. =20 Maybe not. IIRC IETF102 was originally planned to be in San Francisco a= nd the venue/country got changed less than 1-2 years in advance. Other orga= nisations have had to switch locations for their meetings with only a few m= onth notice. Though I suppose there=E2=80=99s no harm done if people apply = for visas that they later no longer need to use. =20 _______________________________________________ 101attendees mailing list 101attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees =20 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the i= ndividual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, = copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if p= artially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be cons= idered a criminal offense. 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IIRC IETF102 was originally planned to be in San Francisco and the venue/country got changed less than 1-2 years in advance. Other organisations have had to switch locations for their meetings with only a few month notice. Though I suppose there’s no harm done if people apply for visas that they later no longer need to use. > Actually, there is harm: if we issue invitation letters to a meeting, and people get visas and then we don't hold that meeting (or they don't come), we have a certain liability for those visas (and our credibility in issuing future invitations goes down, increasing the chances that people will be denied visas). Moreover, as things stand the way we issue letters of invitation is tricky, because of the link between the meeting organization and the invitations. Normally, hosts have to be involved, which complicates matters. I suspect that it would be helpful to the community to post somewhere an explanation of why letters of invitation are harder than one might expect, so I will try to get that together. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Fri Apr 20 06:44:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D87A12751F for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dtzwKEoKLv75 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C35F127136 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1524231889; x=1524836689; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=xDyAiIsH s0FGJZLYK5ctooJPGqBZXZ0ZudP46h+nL7k=; b=YhFJHUl3/fsqftm1IoKdazLx CnqgCc8XSzByt/YuuMXgcrfyNzgG6FP+tbCC8+XtleFJQX8b/+hej2SMq+TZ5wMg geWg701L+7mG0VC+KzpbtFKs0khQZI6RbNDq47JnKIlxd5jydrWDaeGunslf9JnW rD3+8wt7+370Cyj2PnY= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:44:49 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:44:49 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.129] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50005754978.msg for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:44:48 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:5812:f5ed:54d3:1cb4 X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.129] X-MDArrival-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:44:48 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=1648015884=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 101attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:44:47 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <101attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <23081518-B57F-40F4-8D7B-A3DE2E4D43DD@consulintel.es> <20180420130803.zb5fpmdeyx746sa3@mx4.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20180420130803.zb5fpmdeyx746sa3@mx4.yitter.info> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:44:53 -0000 Yes and no ... I guess that 1 year in advance (if the contract has been sig= ned, which should be according to the way we look for venues) is a period o= f time that, if there is a reason to change the venue, we will not be able = to do (most probably). Right? I will agree with either (or both): 1) Not issuing the invitation letter VISA so early, just limit that to 1 ye= ar, even if the hotel and registration booking was open (just an example) 2= years in advance. 2) Making sure that the form for the invitation letter has a check-box disc= laimer that needs to be "marked" as understood and accepted, by the request= er, clearly indicating that the IETF doesn't hold any liability in case of = a venue change, etc. Regards, Jordi =20 =20 =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Andrew Sulliv= an Fecha: viernes, 20 de abril de 2018, 15:09 Para: <101attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 01:49:24PM +0100, Jim Reid wrote: >=20 > Maybe not. IIRC IETF102 was originally planned to be in San Francisco= and the venue/country got changed less than 1-2 years in advance. Other or= ganisations have had to switch locations for their meetings with only a few= month notice. Though I suppose there=E2=80=99s no harm done if people appl= y for visas that they later no longer need to use. >=20 =20 Actually, there is harm: if we issue invitation letters to a meeting, and people get visas and then we don't hold that meeting (or they don't come), we have a certain liability for those visas (and our credibility in issuing future invitations goes down, increasing the chances that people will be denied visas). Moreover, as things stand the way we issue letters of invitation is tricky, because of the link between the meeting organization and the invitations. Normally, hosts have to be involved, which complicates matters. =20 I suspect that it would be helpful to the community to post somewhere an explanation of why letters of invitation are harder than one might expect, so I will try to get that together. =20 Best regards, =20 A =20 --=20 Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com =20 _______________________________________________ 101attendees mailing list 101attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees =20 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. 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Jordi, it is a big mistake to propose rigid time-lines or ask the = secretariat to apply them. Nobody here is an expert in visa regulations = and immigration law. At least I hope not. :-) Besides, the host = country=E2=80=99s visa rules which apply today could well be very = different one/two/whatever years from now. I think we=E2=80=99ve identified a problem and have asked The Management = (tm) to sort it out. We should now trust the secretariat to take = appropriate measures so that those who need visas for a meeting can get = them in plenty of time. 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[69.70.218.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z16-v6sm5490743qta.34.2018.04.20.07.42.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Suresh Krishnan" Cc: "Livingood, Jason" , randy@psg.com, ietf@johnlevine.com, 101attendees@ietf.org Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 10:42:20 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.1r5471) Message-ID: <59959260-65AA-4481-AEAC-540AF4EC3E59@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <64C9FCCE-C935-4DC6-8685-E7768261CDC2@kaloom.com> References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <5A900C71-BDDE-4769-A7B8-0EE37833CA94@viagenie.ca> <64C9FCCE-C935-4DC6-8685-E7768261CDC2@kaloom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:42:26 -0000 On 20 Apr 2018, at 10:23, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Marc, > > On Apr 20, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Marc Blanchet > > wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2018, at 8:25, Livingood, Jason wrote: > > I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. Why > not open it 1 day after the end of the prior meeting? Or open it 364 > days before each meeting or whatever? This seems to regularly recur as > a question - so there must be a way to remove the friction / take the > issue off the table... > > Agree. the issue at hand seems to be getting a letter of invitation to > start the visa process. Delivering a letter of invitation is in my > understanding mechanically done (or it should be). In this case, as > soon as the venue is confirmed/contracted, we can deliver those! > I’m pretty sure the ioac is well aware of that, so I wonder what > blocks to provide it early. > > One small issue here based on the experience of hosting few IETFs. > Some of the consulates and embassies require an invitation letter > signed by a *local host* (This was the case for the Montreal and the > Toronto IETFs - I had to hand sign and snail mail ~100 letters). ouach. I did not know that. But that relates to my little experience with visas and invitation letters. > So I would think that getting a local host is the gating factor rather > than the confirmation/contract of the venue. ok. thanks for teaching me the other side of being a host! marc. > > Thanks > Suresh From nobody Fri Apr 20 07:47:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886AF12D7E8 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LadfAo4c-9MW for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F4651241FC for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f9XKM-0000rE-I7; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:47:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 07:47:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Suresh Krishnan Cc: 101attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <64C9FCCE-C935-4DC6-8685-E7768261CDC2@kaloom.com> References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <5A900C71-BDDE-4769-A7B8-0EE37833CA94@viagenie.ca> <64C9FCCE-C935-4DC6-8685-E7768261CDC2@kaloom.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 14:47:57 -0000 > One small issue here based on the experience of hosting few > IETFs. Some of the consulates and embassies require an invitation > letter signed by a *local host* (This was the case for the Montreal > and the Toronto IETFs - I had to hand sign and snail mail ~100 > letters). ack. and sympathies. but that's 100 letters three months in advance or 100 letters three weeks in advance (or whatever). procrastination can make tasks disappear; but probably not in this case. perhaps the issue is one of priorities. with much of the logistics, the pain of delay is eventually felt by those delaying. with visas, the cost and the benefit are quite separated. randy From nobody Fri Apr 20 08:19:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF707124F57 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIfIAe0b3ENk for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80ED9124B17 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id o15-v6so23957681wro.11 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=Mxu5kbA4HBBdFLygs0AlPUvZ6qEu6tbM9zkZpdlC5Ac=; b=UO8Jn5YPFyhruIPcOEhT4c/UWPuYfPn6V7GpXhyyts5yV4Ffhr0AzQ0xyCBGJnzDLI 5g75GMESn/B1p3ERcDQzDwsWs5kg/ol4R0VsqKuyHwIXWC1lMpdTza1SDCO+bg+mG+Id WXFDLB1G9tg6//w5eKcaGEODVaFAZxrdp2ztuu7qq5y/b0uwwx1uJ6KAeB1FYLq7ISkq eYSDsOggRWmr1Fx0PVenLMACmuYePX4l+Rb2Cxy2qHLj1xKAyXDeDK9e7wGneV5LYhGX 23LnXmQyjwNhxjGGLjqKkVpeydyDL+774uhfxfoobsHQdPjv7bHmZckKqtkKZu7sE2t2 gxEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=Mxu5kbA4HBBdFLygs0AlPUvZ6qEu6tbM9zkZpdlC5Ac=; b=AoWSKY/7AgX0lYozpEl749IWyKFU+akAXT51+n2DLwqoPPFynilpplGl88qSqssqJc vK9+w1BB8UHow04EbpwIMEdwxU3YhM7i1wC9+jOHetUjaaEEPI1+vqOO9pDttFvB/eiX VIRxGzeg674bvoYVzkgg8jkm3+nZ68II+8shFXBsMW93YUwDJ2aCxjIBeQQdfip+ruso RAHylWx5TffduRp7D2NS7inQrdClILX6UceW1PfjoYSSf9dzyfbEN5QJWNZ5ZqmvLYef 7KahL8cJX2POAIptND81VfstFE7+q+SH3jp7B176lwkljiMmDOxv6acp96Ff81UBJwFP cF2A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCxqYLq9vUdh0VHewWl43JFt9Bd6canTXOxhNf7Q9uk3D6HvRit cRX3e0xc9nJEBrwjtnTtYAc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrIvftPsXXf8jSeqkZtXf2sdxb+dge2lLHOdQICWKAWDEqE1RR5+rZn8B5jEcaH4AJYT4rrVw== X-Received: by 10.28.106.5 with SMTP id f5mr2314236wmc.84.1524237562080; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:4d01:f3a:cce6:93f7:3de8:aef? ([2601:647:4d01:f3a:cce6:93f7:3de8:aef]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b18-v6sm4706513wrb.55.2018.04.20.08.19.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00DF07B6-57D2-45E6-8B5E-DDDF05BA398E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:19:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20180420130105.6lkyhwkdjsfhk2s3@mx4.yitter.info> Cc: Bob Hinden , 101attendees@ietf.org To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <20180420130105.6lkyhwkdjsfhk2s3@mx4.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:19:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00DF07B6-57D2-45E6-8B5E-DDDF05BA398E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andrew, The last time this became an issue for attendees, the IAOC promised to = open registration shortly after the previous meeting to allow for time = for folks who need visas. This would have been late March or early = April in this case. How did this get turned into May, over a month = later? Bob > On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: >=20 > Hi there, >=20 > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:25:41PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: >> I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. >=20 > This was actually a topic of some informal discussion at the recent > IAOC retreat. I gather there have been some logistical issues in > opening registration sooner, and they're being worked. I don't have > an ETA for details about the improvements, but I take this current > thread as indicating some need to explain in detail the way the > registration system is working and what plans there are for altering > it. >=20 > In the meantime, I urge anyone who needs a visa to register as early > as possible and get the letter requests in, so that the Secretariat > can process everything as quickly as possible. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Andrew (IAOC chair, but speaking as an individual IAOC member) >=20 > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees --Apple-Mail=_00DF07B6-57D2-45E6-8B5E-DDDF05BA398E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAlraBPUACgkQrut0EXfn u6ivOAgAjPS7eUsKmBAoU4KbZUAQngWNksDf6vdwG1fubudVfT+eGrriIdvkKN/O hZhFIvOh/r0y/hLBMoO1AoTIYzZVYvKZFGJZd6F35Zfnacrx30WVTxLV4Avc/2Vh pKZCYBIh0kvRMkXGSer8CXYhFWgwiza6wlpdmYEaAMAEMbtNRAykiSQNH/oCdM3I yquLV11oCSyOpvzocyTQdsyiXonNpOzA1swmU3C9izmTPhMJHHdFJf2S1hrO6Wgk djUAy24yi1CFEWkSWS8NwgurBHS1hvulBdJUirynSuEqkyo7+ImHkJso4Ad8kBFk is8k+IXaLbjN2JGfmCHbToFxgqn2MA== =bT3U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_00DF07B6-57D2-45E6-8B5E-DDDF05BA398E-- From nobody Fri Apr 20 15:07:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32D612D890 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQyGnZO27pi7 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD80112426E for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AB720090 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 18:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id DA15E6FC; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 18:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76EA59 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 18:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 18:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: <23444.1524262042@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 22:07:29 -0000 Livingood, Jason wrote: > I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 > weeks. Why not open it 1 day after the end of the prior meeting? Or > open it 364 days before each meeting or whatever? This seems to > regularly recur as a question - so there must be a way to remove the > friction / take the issue off the table... We have been discussing this in the IAOC finance sub-cmte. (I think it's I* retreat week this week, btw. They might be slow to answe= r) There are apparently technical issues with having more than one meeting registration open at the same time. I don't know what it is. There are apparently other issues that prevent the secretariat from being able to automatically open registration for N+1 the day after meeting N. I don't know what they are... -- = ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networ= ks [ = ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architec= t [ = ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ = = From nobody Fri Apr 20 23:55:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6F5120724 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 23:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RNRvniN_I_tq for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 23:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015C01200C1 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 23:55:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1524293713; x=1524898513; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=TiG8tszN 8yVaEYgj2NrtsthMToGjZDR1EresfGRNL5E=; b=DvTpIBu1+GdS7FLmu5xtxq5V S5WX+itet+VWWPhzD76jrKRB5yL6UHrhAYEKP1+fPCSaeojLUcEFE5SwhFMW4F6y mxUI7rxHnmbl+wjm2c8fWzl1inn8pPOFiNj9ONWltMEMAwRco7+bE0DeBJQ+zDZl xMdunjBF68uX3fLmgUg= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:55:13 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:55:12 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.129] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50005755431.msg for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:55:11 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:1893:a9ef:252e:27c9 X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.129] X-MDArrival-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:55:11 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=1649f5781d=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 101attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.c.0.180410 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 08:55:07 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <06BF3999-605B-4280-960B-4F67A8F8D447@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <23444.1524262042@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <23444.1524262042@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 06:55:18 -0000 Technical issues? We are engineers we can solve them! Regards, Jordi =20 =20 =EF=BB=BF-----Mensaje original----- De: 101attendees <101attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Michael Richa= rdson Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 21 de abril de 2018, 0:07 Para: "101attendees@ietf.org" <101attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal Livingood, Jason wrote: > I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 > weeks. Why not open it 1 day after the end of the prior meeting? = Or > open it 364 days before each meeting or whatever? This seems to > regularly recur as a question - so there must be a way to remove = the > friction / take the issue off the table... =20 We have been discussing this in the IAOC finance sub-cmte. (I think it's I* retreat week this week, btw. They might be slow to an= swer) =20 There are apparently technical issues with having more than one meeting registration open at the same time. I don't know what it is. 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From nobody Sat Apr 21 00:37:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2711200C1 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zl4YUKnKzbjC for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 886D0129515 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828E31CA060; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LfM0X0sxfdkQ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.188.29.163] (100.1.71.37.rev.sfr.net [37.71.1.100]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C77761CA05E; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 00:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:36:56 +0200 Cc: Andrew Sullivan , 101attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <20180420130105.6lkyhwkdjsfhk2s3@mx4.yitter.info> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:37:02 -0000 Two things: 1) Registration for 102 was supposed to open 12 weeks out from the = meeting, not 10. The dates were inadvertently entered to the Datatracker = incorrectly and, as I did review those dates prior to their publication, = I should have caught it. I apologize. We are testing the 102 = registration system early next week to make sure everything functions = properly and we hope to open mid-week. 2) Historically we began actively working on the logistics for a new = meeting directly following the conclusion of the previous one. That = worked well for many years, but over time our meetings have grown = increasingly complex and that narrow intervening window of time squeezed = in on us from both sides like a vise. Recently we reexamined our = planning cycle and made some significant adjustments: we now start = working on the meeting logistics (registration, hotel reservations, = LOIs) at least eight months out. This gives us a lot more time to = address the inevitable unforeseen issues that arise. We are just = starting to feel the positive effects of those adjustments.=20 In addition, the IAOC recently indicated a willingness to decouple = meeting registration from the opening of hotel reservations: this will = make a big difference as it's often adjustments on the hotel reservation = side of things that delay the opening of registration.=20 Again, I apologize for the error and the delay in opening registration = for 102. We will get registration open as soon as possible, and we are = already working on 103 so that we can open it in a timely manner.=20 Alexa > On Apr 20, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > Andrew, >=20 > The last time this became an issue for attendees, the IAOC promised to = open registration shortly after the previous meeting to allow for time = for folks who need visas. This would have been late March or early = April in this case. How did this get turned into May, over a month = later? >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi there, >>=20 >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:25:41PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: >>> I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. >>=20 >> This was actually a topic of some informal discussion at the recent >> IAOC retreat. I gather there have been some logistical issues in >> opening registration sooner, and they're being worked. I don't have >> an ETA for details about the improvements, but I take this current >> thread as indicating some need to explain in detail the way the >> registration system is working and what plans there are for altering >> it. >>=20 >> In the meantime, I urge anyone who needs a visa to register as early >> as possible and get the letter requests in, so that the Secretariat >> can process everything as quickly as possible. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Andrew (IAOC chair, but speaking as an individual IAOC member) >>=20 >> -- >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 101attendees mailing list >> 101attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 101attendees mailing list > 101attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Sat Apr 21 04:43:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D94512E85E for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 04:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=C++YmI04; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=gFOpHxsa Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lD-vrOsEy1Pb for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.yitter.info (mx4.yitter.info [159.203.56.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C921412E858 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB28BECAD for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:43:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1524311003; bh=jkQhEeX3pGiSQygnB3vu84oniTKn8nkDaMmeof72Dw4=; h=From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=C++YmI04MjyYnDI/jg0aG7Pzl01cSvYEZjK7Y7LOc4jNskw0eD93ZIMiEFe2aoOfk SudOcSHYhjfhC7Xuie99FPPfSgaXn+pIxgEwlGDIxxqaI+76gTzahrFjRO3QG5co8D vYD1lyZbFWS4g1S5YPICMGtw+O8GSoPGCaqOX7Hs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx4.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h1uMwWrQVEk2; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:43:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Sullivan DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1524311001; bh=jkQhEeX3pGiSQygnB3vu84oniTKn8nkDaMmeof72Dw4=; h=From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=gFOpHxsaIp4m9jBVV2os8aMXmAulDThX+ml91+VWcqv/Qer36s8FDfFcgZC+xGoWR DM5r72dy7m68uAwtNxVwaSdqqPeObWZIjbDcKYxCfIllMe7pQNhJuv21nubIiBc/37 IcfFad4c0BASXHo/zVHrrZN42wvKbXCPz8XA+vk4= To: <101attendees@ietf.org> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: <162e80403c0.2772.55b9c0b96417b0a70c4dcaded0d2e1c6@anvilwalrusden.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <20180420130105.6lkyhwkdjsfhk2s3@mx4.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:43:27 -0000 I should note, too, that while it is admirable for Alexa or anyone at AMS to take responsibility for an error, ultimately it is the IAOC that is responsible to the community for oversight. So if there are complaints, please direct them to the IAOC. Thanks! A -- Please excuse my clumbsy thums ---------- On April 21, 2018 03:37:03 Alexa Morris wrote: > Two things: > > 1) Registration for 102 was supposed to open 12 weeks out from the meeting, > not 10. The dates were inadvertently entered to the Datatracker incorrectly > and, as I did review those dates prior to their publication, I should have > caught it. I apologize. We are testing the 102 registration system early > next week to make sure everything functions properly and we hope to open > mid-week. > > 2) Historically we began actively working on the logistics for a new > meeting directly following the conclusion of the previous one. That worked > well for many years, but over time our meetings have grown increasingly > complex and that narrow intervening window of time squeezed in on us from > both sides like a vise. Recently we reexamined our planning cycle and made > some significant adjustments: we now start working on the meeting logistics > (registration, hotel reservations, LOIs) at least eight months out. This > gives us a lot more time to address the inevitable unforeseen issues that > arise. We are just starting to feel the positive effects of those adjustments. > > In addition, the IAOC recently indicated a willingness to decouple meeting > registration from the opening of hotel reservations: this will make a big > difference as it's often adjustments on the hotel reservation side of > things that delay the opening of registration. > > Again, I apologize for the error and the delay in opening registration for > 102. We will get registration open as soon as possible, and we are already > working on 103 so that we can open it in a timely manner. > > Alexa > > > > On Apr 20, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > > > Andrew, > > > > The last time this became an issue for attendees, the IAOC promised to > open registration shortly after the previous meeting to allow for time for > folks who need visas. This would have been late March or early April in > this case. How did this get turned into May, over a month later? > > > > Bob > > > > >> > On Apr 20, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> > >> > Hi there, >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:25:41PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: >>> > I'm vaguely curious why we hold back registration until 10 weeks. >> > >> > This was actually a topic of some informal discussion at the recent >> > IAOC retreat. I gather there have been some logistical issues in >> > opening registration sooner, and they're being worked. I don't have >> > an ETA for details about the improvements, but I take this current >> > thread as indicating some need to explain in detail the way the >> > registration system is working and what plans there are for altering >> > it. >> > >> > In the meantime, I urge anyone who needs a visa to register as early >> > as possible and get the letter requests in, so that the Secretariat >> > can process everything as quickly as possible. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Andrew (IAOC chair, but speaking as an individual IAOC member) >> > >> > -- >> > Andrew Sullivan >> > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 101attendees mailing list >> > 101attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 101attendees mailing list > > 101attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/101attendees From nobody Sat Apr 21 07:49:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209A51274D2 for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vdtwqb6b9z1O for <101attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22b.google.com (mail-wr0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C258126C22 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p5-v6so2123996wre.12 for <101attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=Hgr3dXtbXmgHfU9EPMWcExyFr/v23dk2eCsggSCh1wk=; b=VJ5ozca/0MCxPN2TVKNj7oAfKyHrYgEXGxpDoArustDV9r0Aq2RQHkojEJzHQPEJ4o 7ACSfNHEQ3gctUFJF9oMWkowNNyQDY0z9dn/Yumq2l42zAY5UIendSnowJzWfCPYD7BM wrwntbsaDpjZaQa+wKJSdDeUGZCzBzRmI6pUvK0ZiVzKtJFQb4DjbVMmnx9AEDFinvvw RDpT2Qhav1xN8SGOe9LhTVHO1Ke2zFSBCgBveoSEX4GQ0wjjiG0NgLQXRa4YNMJxDlZj 6o7iJQkyVS59sY3DAtKNC9zrxJhOup0MSrHTt7+a+g1eiI1S5hVq12FJOBRw2Swmx+MD pAKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=Hgr3dXtbXmgHfU9EPMWcExyFr/v23dk2eCsggSCh1wk=; b=VJkBgUPo8bn2lvnt5+FRFJw4tfvPI4+glK067RNondts0WAKtky0Cxd8Ls8bazD3hG 2w8hoEwwSN0DXUYG34UXi7wjBfrGTyU5GdrKbPTQkB0r1QzlqPzb/Q7T4WD+F5ItEGLp f0JAtEGpcu15Ul4S+nqoMwjAxi/S4vHUhUQa0Czdls8U2o8w6/oxzp48/0Hu0dIxYKbD l703Jb+YVfdOlcivtsZ1vuRk0+j7Ax2CJaU+kVYv5Q6/IHFI1lUyBL5EOCpktq55U6il BUUbrCA/K4CQWfnqDGZzgpuEruxcbVl3R0hEqvSPYC7ehSN5lgXsobQInXf9DY+O5xCn pLOA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tB0q4AEueNRhdWwbRSzWW1SY7VcjMbEQesWu+60b7t7BSEvbqDc bpUhPn90QqdDZ4GhYQLABO0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4++r123Il6xi3nc+6GE+14JwIx8ywr1vmNF8Dd436imhgBiJZz8/LDvGg6knRlVbrezxX5DPw== X-Received: by 10.28.36.3 with SMTP id k3mr4854902wmk.51.1524322166555; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:4d01:f3a:8165:e725:9d57:6584? ([2601:647:4d01:f3a:8165:e725:9d57:6584]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v75-v6sm16276560wrc.65.2018.04.21.07.49.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <4903822D-96F2-4418-8EF3-52CF6BA825A2@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1D100E1B-F2CA-4396-B4EC-3734BAAD4AE5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:49:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <162e80403c0.2772.55b9c0b96417b0a70c4dcaded0d2e1c6@anvilwalrusden.com> Cc: Bob Hinden , 101attendees@ietf.org To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20180420024502.71E5D254669E@ary.qy> <5C4D8E08-625B-40F3-BB8F-047D3AEFCBF1@cable.comcast.com> <20180420130105.6lkyhwkdjsfhk2s3@mx4.yitter.info> <162e80403c0.2772.55b9c0b96417b0a70c4dcaded0d2e1c6@anvilwalrusden.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [101attendees] Registration for IETF 102, Montreal X-BeenThere: 101attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 101 attendees that have opted in on this list <101attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 14:49:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1D100E1B-F2CA-4396-B4EC-3734BAAD4AE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Apr 21, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: >=20 > I should note, too, that while it is admirable for Alexa or anyone at = AMS to take responsibility for an error, ultimately it is the IAOC that = is responsible to the community for oversight. So if there are = complaints, please direct them to the IAOC. 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