From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 01:56:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggbtn-0007V8-Ct; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:54:31 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggbtm-0007UZ-2L for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:54:30 -0500 Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggbtj-0007yP-Rw for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:54:30 -0500 Received: from [12.105.246.238] (0127ahost238.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.246.238]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4B0C644C021 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <454D8A91.9030906@isoc.org> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:54:09 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Welcome to San Diego! X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Welcome to San Diego! Thank you Siemens for Hosting IETF 67. We are pleased to announce that Afilias is sponsoring the Sunday Welcome Reception. Please join us there. A wiki and blog have been set up for the meeting. Basic information or links can be found there to make finding info easier and a means for communications among attendees. Info includes: Transportation Alternatives from Airport The nightly IETF Shuttle Bus Service to Gaslamp District Agenda Restaurants http://community.ietf.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Please add information as you consider appropriate. Your efforts will result in an improved design for future meetings. Once again, welcome and have a great meeting. Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 19:13:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggs53-00082T-P4; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggs51-0007yr-N0 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:11:11 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggs51-0007R4-LN for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:11:11 -0500 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggs50-00020P-Ct for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:11:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5F7175E4; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:10:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggs4V-0006JN-KH; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:10:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Cc: From: michael.lee@neustar.biz Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:10:39 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Subject: [67ATTENDEES] 67th IETF - Shuttle Bus X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org A shuttle bus will be provided during the dinner hour Sunday-Thursday between the Sheraton San Diego and the Gas Lamp District where numerous restaurants are located. Below is the schedule for the shuttle. WIKI http://community.ietf.org/wiki/ Purpose: to provide bulletin board feature for attendees about the meeting venue opportunities. IETF SHUTTLE BUS DEPARTURE: Sheraton San Diego Hotel & Marina, Grande Ballroom Entrance GAS LAMP DISTRICT DROP-OFF/PICK-UP: Corner of 5th and G (close to Urban Outfitters and Pacific Movie Theaters) ♦ Sunday, November 5 from 6:45pm – 11:30pm ♦ Monday, November 6 from 6:45pm – 11:30pm ♦ Tuesday, November 7 from 6:45pm – 11:30pm ♦ Wednesday, November 8 from 6:45pm – 11:30pm ♦ Thursday, November 9 from 6:45pm – 11:30pm Shuttles will depart from the Sheraton approximately every 45 minutes, starting at 6:45pm. The last pick-up at Gas Lamp will be 11:30pm. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 20:32:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgtK1-0004yW-AB; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:30:45 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgtK0-0004yO-0E; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:30:44 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgtJz-00014x-Tx; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:30:43 -0500 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgtJw-0003jq-JH; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:30:43 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5BD2AC54; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 01:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GgswR-0006d4-LY; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:06:23 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Announcement list From: michael.lee@neustar.biz Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:06:23 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] IETF67 PGP session X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Once again, we will be holding a PGP Key signing party at the 67th IETF meeting in San Diego. We have been scheduled to meet at 1610 in the afternoon on Wednesday, November 8 in the Seabreeze room. ********************************************************************** * PLEASE NOTE THE TIME CHANGE * * * With the new meeting schedule, our traditional 10pm slot after the Wednesday evening plenary no longer makes sense -- everyone wants to get to dinner as soon as the plenary is over, and no one wants to come back afterward. Therefore, we have moved the key-signing session to the extended break just _before_ the Wednesday-evening plenary. This change does tighten the time schedule somewhat. We have only 50 minutes between the last afternoon session and the plenary, so please be on time. We will start promptly at 1620, which should provide ample time to get between sessions. In addition, I will be unable to include key not received before the noon deadline, due to the time required to produce and publish keyrings and printouts. ********************************************************************** The procedure we will use is the following: o People who wish to participate may do so in one of two ways. You may bring slips of paper with your name, e-mail address, key-id, and key fingerprint. (One way of generating this if using gpg is "gpg --list-keys --fingerprint my_username@hostname") You should bring enough for everyone who may attend; given recent attendance patterns, around 50 should be more than enough. (You can generally fit 10-12 strips containing your key fingerprint on a single sheet of paper, and then cut out strips to hand out.) o Alternatively, you may email an ASCII extract of their PGP public key to by noon on Wednesday, November 8. Please include a subject line of "IETF PGP KEY", and please DO NOT MIME-ENCRYPT your e-mail; send it to me as plain text. The method of generating the ASCII extract under Unix is: pgp -kxa my_email_address mykey.asc (pgp 2.6.2) pgpk -xa my_email_address > mykey.asc (pgp 5.x) gpg --export -a my_email_address > mykey.asc (gpg) If you're using Windows or Macintosh, hopefully it will be Intuitively Obvious (tm) using the GUI interface how to generate an ASCII armored key that begins "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----". o By 1500 on Wednesday, you will be able to fetch complete key ring from any of the following locations with all of the keys that were submitted: /afs/grand.central.org/project/ietf-pgp/ietf67/ietf67.pgp http://grand.central.org/dl/ietf-pgp/ietf67/ietf67.pgp ftp://grand.central.org/pub/ietf-pgp/ietf67/ietf67.pgp o At 1620, come prepared with the PGP Key fingerprint of your PGP public key; we will have handouts with all of the key fingerprints of the keys that people have mailed in. o In turn, readers at the front of the room will recite people's keys; as your key fingerprint is read, stand up, and at the end of reading of your PGP key fingerprint, acknowledge that the fingerprint as read was correct. o Later that evening, or perhaps when you get home, you can sign the keys corresponding to the fingerprints which you were able to verify on the handout; note that it is advisable that you only sign keys of people when you have personal knowledge that the person who stood up during the reading of his/her fingerprint really is the person which he/she claimed to be. o Send the signed keys to the owners, and, optionally, to the PGP key servers. Some poeple opt to NOT send the signed keys to the keyservers, but rather choose to send them only to the e-mail address on the key's userid, encrypted for that particular key. This tends to ensures the validity of the e-mail address. Note that you don't have to have a laptop with you; if you don't have any locally trusted computing resources during the key signing party, you can make notes on the handout, and on the strips of papers, and then take these and sign the keys later. Acknowledgement: The bulk of the text of this message was taken from the messages usually sent by Ted Ts'o to announce IETF key signing parties. -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Sr. Research Systems Programmer School of Computer Science - Research Computing Facility Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 07:14:07 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh3Km-0007MZ-Hf; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 07:12:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh3Kk-0007MJ-Q4 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 07:12:10 -0500 Received: from smtp151.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh3Kh-00088h-Iu for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 07:12:10 -0500 Received: from [12.105.246.238] (0127ahost238.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.246.238]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2AE6B1A60B for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <454F269B.3050600@isoc.org> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 04:12:11 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Network is Up X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org * To: ietf at ietf.org * Subject: IETF67 Network is up! * From: Jim Martin * Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:13:07 -0800 Gentlepeople, As of now, we're declaring the network for IETF67 to be up and active. Wireless is available as ietf67a (802.11a) and ietf67b (802.11b/g) throughout the meeting areas, both east and west tower lobbies, both east tower pools, the Coffee shop in East, and the lobby and Quinn bars in East. The terminal room is open 24 hours a day until Friday noon and is located downstairs from the main meeting space in Nautilus 4 & 5. Information on the network is available at http://www.ietf67.org, and any problems can be reported to the helpdesk in the terminal room, via email to ticket at noc.ietf67.org, or via the web ticketing system at http://noc.ietf67.org/trac. As always, we encourage problem reports. We can't fix it if we don't know about it. Also, tickets submitted via any of the methods listed above are more likely to be noticed than those sent to the main IETF list. - Jim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 13:50:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh9Wr-0004J1-DD; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:49:05 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh9Wp-0004He-Vy for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:49:03 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh9Wn-0000Ut-Nr for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:49:03 -0500 Received: from harrington73653 (dhcp71-105.ietf67.org[130.129.71.105]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006110618490001400pq15de>; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:49:01 +0000 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'Ray Pelletier'" , <67attendees@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] Network is Up Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <040f01c701d3$dcbc3e80$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: <454F269B.3050600@isoc.org> Thread-Index: AccBnQ6ckIBKO8XJSvS+bebw7fOeGAANBIQw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have been especially impressed by this meeting. The food didn't run out before 9:00am. A shuttle bus is available to downtown. The network works well. Kudos to all involved. David Harrington dharrington@huawei.com dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:12 AM > To: 67attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Network is Up > > * To: ietf at ietf.org > * Subject: IETF67 Network is up! > * From: Jim Martin > * Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:13:07 -0800 > > Gentlepeople, > As of now, we're declaring the network for IETF67 to be up > and active. > Wireless is available as ietf67a (802.11a) and ietf67b (802.11b/g) > throughout the meeting areas, both east and west tower lobbies, both > east tower pools, the Coffee shop in East, and the lobby and > Quinn bars > in East. The terminal room is open 24 hours a day until > Friday noon and > is located downstairs from the main meeting space in Nautilus 4 & 5. > Information on the network is available at http://www.ietf67.org, and > any problems can be reported to the helpdesk in the terminal > room, via > email to ticket at noc.ietf67.org, or via the web ticketing system at > http://noc.ietf67.org/trac. > > As always, we encourage problem reports. We can't fix it if we don't > know about it. Also, tickets submitted via any of the methods listed > above are more likely to be noticed than those sent to the > main IETF list. > > - Jim > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 19:25:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhElL-0003b6-5i; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:24:23 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhERu-0004l4-PQ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:04:18 -0500 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhERa-0003lc-3u; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:04:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1767726E47; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GhERa-0002pz-09; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:03:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Announcement list From: IETF Secretariat Message-Id: Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:03:58 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: bb8eae9af85e4fcfe76f325e38493bf4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:24:22 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] 67th IETF: ISIS - CANCELLED X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org ISIS scheduled for Thursday, November 9 at 1510-1610 has been CANCELLED. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 20:32:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFnN-0006US-8F; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:30:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFnM-0006UI-46 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:30:32 -0500 Received: from ns.live555.com ([66.80.62.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFnK-0001kn-Pg for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:30:32 -0500 Received: from ns.live555.com (localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live555.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA71UTX7090140 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsf@ns.live555.com) Received: (from rsf@localhost) by ns.live555.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id kA71UT0I090138; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:30:25 -0800 To: 67attendees@ietf.org From: Ross Finlayson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Cookie-based congestion control X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm not sure if anything can be done about this at this stage, but having the refreshment tables set up in such a narrow corridor is suboptimal. (Apart from this, though, the meeting seems to be going well.) Ross. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 20:36:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFsT-0000vv-0z; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:35:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFsR-0000sm-U3 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:35:47 -0500 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.224]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFsQ-0002Rj-OC for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:35:47 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1283259wxc for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:35:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q3CL4dCSyYUcrlgQfwvLNTI/+/Ee+dRLwxKlSt415uUMs3WDZDxGKiGRHuxUMXm9QXnMWccsx2QHtrzmERNauIHRR3mKc6CYn6etGrB2tcflRgEGZn7NOkF6BfuBtnoMabx71gJdOU+DoFJIWpasZR0MjQ8J5JVWi/xRPPkLxc0= Received: by 10.70.117.3 with SMTP id p3mr6005410wxc.1162863346194; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.110.14 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:35:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <13786f330611061735n17b95a10of5daa9bd3521e2f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:35:46 -0500 From: "Joseph Kopena" To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Cookie-based congestion control In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 775a0c0aebff6f60 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 11/6/06, Ross Finlayson wrote: > I'm not sure if anything can be done about this at this stage, but > having the refreshment tables set up in such a narrow corridor is > suboptimal. > > (Apart from this, though, the meeting seems to be going well.) It's actually a routing test, to see how many agents take the faster route out the doors and then back in through the next set. -- - joe kopena dftc eccc gicl swat _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 20:43:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFz9-0006Pn-Ff; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:42:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFz8-0006Pi-J6 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:42:42 -0500 Received: from smtp.mitel.com ([216.191.234.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhFz7-0003Hq-8t for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:42:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (smtp.mitel.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.mitel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051C72002C; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.mitel.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.mitel.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11942-06; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanmta01.mitel.com (kanmta01 [134.199.37.58]) by smtp.mitel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AC52001C; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:42:40 -0500 (EST) To: "Joseph Kopena" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Cookie-based congestion control MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: peter_blatherwick@mitel.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:42:39 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on kanmta01/Mitel(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 11/06/2006 08:42:39 PM, Serialize complete at 11/06/2006 08:42:39 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (virusonly) at mitel.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0753046010==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0753046010== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000965CD8525721F_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000965CD8525721F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Suggest the problem is mis-stated. Isn't it really cookie-based digestion control?! ;-) "Joseph Kopena" 06.11.06 20:35 To: 67attendees@ietf.org cc: Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Cookie-based congestion control On 11/6/06, Ross Finlayson wrote: > I'm not sure if anything can be done about this at this stage, but > having the refreshment tables set up in such a narrow corridor is > suboptimal. > > (Apart from this, though, the meeting seems to be going well.) It's actually a routing test, to see how many agents take the faster route out the doors and then back in through the next set. -- - joe kopena dftc eccc gicl swat _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --=_alternative 000965CD8525721F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Suggest the problem is mis-stated.  Isn't it really cookie-based digestion control?!   ;-)



"Joseph Kopena" <tjkopena@cs.drexel.edu>

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On 11/6/06, Ross Finlayson <finlayson@live555.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if anything can be done about this at this stage, but
> having the refreshment tables set up in such a narrow corridor is
> suboptimal.
>
> (Apart from this, though, the meeting seems to be going well.)

It's actually a routing test, to see how many agents take the faster
route out the doors and then back in through the next set.

--
- joe kopena
 dftc eccc gicl swat

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--=_alternative 000965CD8525721F_=-- --===============0753046010== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============0753046010==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 08:20:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhQpY-0000zF-4V; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:17:32 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh9na-0000HJ-1c for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:06:22 -0500 Received: from newcod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh9iY-0001Nu-SZ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:01:15 -0500 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp65-62.ietf67.org [130.129.65.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2F512A65 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174594E775 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Flag: You should stop using Outlook. Switch to Thunderbird. From: Michael Richardson To: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:01:04 -0800 Message-ID: <19856.1162839664@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:17:30 -0500 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I found another device plugged into my DSL modem in the room. (I wish that they hotel would let us take over their room network... their network was too slow to load their click through page, and their server was generally speaking too overloaded often to answer even TCP SYNs) I followed the wire, and found: http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3052.jpg http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3053.jpg under desk. Derek Atkins had the same thing. Only mind plugs into to: http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3051.jpg via a connector and an RJ11 coupler. The device was on the right hand side of the desk. As I followed the cable towards the TV, I thought... "IPTV?" no. Device looks like a small relay. Maybe it's a sensor. Maybe a microphone. It would have a view of one bed. I left my sweater over it last night. Today, I think I'll disconnect it and see what happens. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRU+GZYCLcPvd0N1lAQLHGwf/bjg0R/JsLgpoqS5Kr2WRQvZgXD098/2N SbKAZBre8a1h+WSRSOzHx7+UNGRa0rNoytBGq39BxnQGNN6889v/yjhVEfZptz/A Lv/RwQ9yQoqzju70YWkAmvpJ+cc97s+c2H9FZEPyAEcS+8T7JrB5KXPwKEuo87wK RSQL1L0p3Z1k9tUiNwf3pKk9RlOX6C3iHQUu5p4eqSKlRAp2etfCovAokp4Zqcap Z9Hm3spePDcYnQIoEjNuGTkLsxEV99+X8xb59CB0qUuZ50xHF4gcsPV2knNOwF9i olJroy2klyv+muFT13J1RtiCD88MlQgQurD6+8nT5MqMMV/aeAOSBQ== =rTmg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 10:41:56 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhT40-00065I-6L; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:40:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhT3J-0005dn-Uo for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:39:54 -0500 Received: from machshav.com ([147.28.0.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhSum-0003yF-RQ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:31:08 -0500 Received: by machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 512) id 92C73FB2A3; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from berkshire.machshav.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by machshav.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDED3FB297; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by berkshire.machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 54047) id D2ABA3C09DA; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:31:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:31:00 -0500 From: "Steven M. Bellovin" To: Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Message-Id: <20061107103100.fb96205b.smb@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <19856.1162839664@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> References: <19856.1162839664@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ah -- see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ps5213/prodlit/swood_cs.pdf (from a company familiar to all of us), and mentioning the Starwood chain. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 10:45:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhT3Q-0005nN-Gm; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:40:00 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhT3L-0005dn-Ll for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:39:55 -0500 Received: from machshav.com ([147.28.0.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhSti-0003oT-FM for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:30:02 -0500 Received: by machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 512) id DABA6FB2A3; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from berkshire.machshav.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by machshav.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02625FB297; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by berkshire.machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 54047) id 2A76A3C09DA; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:28:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:28:58 -0500 From: "Steven M. Bellovin" To: Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Message-Id: <20061107102858.514cdabf.smb@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <19856.1162839664@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> References: <19856.1162839664@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:01:04 -0800, Michael Richardson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I found another device plugged into my DSL modem in the room. > > (I wish that they hotel would let us take over their room network... > their network was too slow to load their click through page, and their > server was generally speaking too overloaded often to answer even TCP > SYNs) > > I followed the wire, and found: > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3052.jpg > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3053.jpg > > under desk. Derek Atkins had the same thing. Only mind plugs into to: > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3051.jpg > > via a connector and an RJ11 coupler. The device was on the right hand > side of the desk. As I followed the cable towards the TV, I thought... "IPTV?" > no. Device looks like a small relay. Maybe it's a sensor. > Maybe a microphone. It would have a view of one bed. I left my sweater > over it last night. > > Today, I think I'll disconnect it and see what happens. > I recall having this discussion before at another conference -- possibly the IETF, last time it was here. The consensus at the time was that the devices were part of room environmental monitoring, including occupancy sensors (why heat or cool a room, beyond certain limits, if there's no one there?). Note also a device near the top of the door frame. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 10:59:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTLg-00069A-15; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:58:52 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTLf-00068B-Ah for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:58:51 -0500 Received: from smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTGT-00082O-F0 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:53:33 -0500 Received: from [130.129.71.104] (dhcp71-104.ietf67.org [130.129.71.104]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5406044C232 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:53:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4550ABF6.5010207@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:53:26 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Social Tickets Available but Limited X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0375003619==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0375003619== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000002080801010406000007" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000002080801010406000007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All; Social There are fewer than 30 Social tickets left for this evening. 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--------------000002080801010406000007-- --===============0375003619== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============0375003619==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 10:59:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTLT-00063k-3L; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:58:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTLS-000626-1R for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:58:38 -0500 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([135.245.0.33]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhTJj-0008UI-L4 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:56:52 -0500 Received: from ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-2.lucent.com [135.3.39.2]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id kA7FrZr8021271; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:53:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com ([135.3.39.3]) by ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:53:35 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:53:31 -0600 Message-ID: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> in-reply-to: <20061107102858.514cdabf.smb@cs.columbia.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Thread-Index: AccCg2d6D9h3zDalR0ihik10s1GuqwAAVwuA From: "GOLDMAN, STUART O \(STUART\)" To: "Steven M. Bellovin" , "Michael Richardson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 15:53:35.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1E79E20:01C70284] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org And there is also a device at the top of the sliding door frame if you have a balcony. Stuart Goldman Lucent Technologies sgoldman@lucent.com 602 493 8438 -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:smb@cs.columbia.edu]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:29 AM To: Michael Richardson Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:01:04 -0800, Michael Richardson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 >=20 > I found another device plugged into my DSL modem in the room. >=20 > (I wish that they hotel would let us take over their room network... > their network was too slow to load their click through page, and their > server was generally speaking too overloaded often to answer even TCP > SYNs) >=20 > I followed the wire, and found: > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3052.jpg > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3053.jpg >=20 > under desk. Derek Atkins had the same thing. Only mind plugs into to: > http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3051.jpg >=20 > via a connector and an RJ11 coupler. The device was on the right hand > side of the desk. As I followed the cable towards the TV, I thought... "IPTV?" > no. Device looks like a small relay. Maybe it's a sensor. > Maybe a microphone. It would have a view of one bed. I left my sweater > over it last night. >=20 > Today, I think I'll disconnect it and see what happens. >=20 I recall having this discussion before at another conference -- possibly the IETF, last time it was here.=20 The consensus at the time was that the devices were part of room environmental monitoring, including occupancy sensors (why heat or cool a room, beyond certain limits, if there's no one there?). Note also a device near the top of the door frame. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 11:58:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUFy-00054n-H0; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:57:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUFx-00054g-Fw for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:57:01 -0500 Received: from machshav.com ([147.28.0.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUFd-0002nt-A2 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:57:01 -0500 Received: by machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 512) id D80CBFB2A8; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from berkshire.machshav.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by machshav.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AC4FB2A3; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by berkshire.machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 54047) id 2A6043C09DA; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:56:19 -0500 From: "Steven M. Bellovin" To: "GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Message-Id: <20061107115619.8d44def0.smb@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> References: <20061107102858.514cdabf.smb@cs.columbia.edu> <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: Michael Richardson , 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:53:31 -0600, "GOLDMAN, STUART O \(STUART\)" wrote: > And there is also a device at the top of the sliding door frame if you > have a balcony. > Right -- mine is hooked to a magnetic switch, so it's very clearly a "door open" sensor. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 12:31:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUnK-0007QT-An; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:31:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUnI-0007Ps-Rw for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:31:28 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhUnE-0000Ko-EF for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:31:28 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2006 09:31:24 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,397,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="86762338:sNHT68335074" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA7HVNIO030986; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:31:23 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA7HVLir006505; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:31:22 -0800 Received: from [130.129.71.171] ([10.21.97.16]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:31:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> References: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <07612019-176C-476C-81BA-2E45A7ED13F4@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Hantula Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:31:20 -0800 To: "GOLDMAN, STUART O ((STUART))" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 17:31:21.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ABA62A0:01C70292] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=2766; t=1162920683; x=1163784683; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=hantula@cisco.com; z=From:Doug=20Hantula=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20unknown=20device=20in=20room=20connected=20to=20 network; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DqbWgw+u0kcM5l6NxWvAti0LEDi0=3D; b=o9FUemDrWgVTmEeD/e96foVDs5YSQelRfW2UrHk6VVx/lDhsnEv4Qo+35ypNFZXoOyjpRM6i PqOd/eRKVpkDOS6nTPl47gnuu+ycPyQf/RDgzWT35OVm+PDu5KJ5mKac; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4.cisco.com; header.From=hantula@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org, Michael Richardson X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org I "discovered" Sunday night that it is connected to the HVAC. The [apparent] thermostat unit in my first room had a LCD display word of "balcony" and the controls were non-functional. The balcony door was closed and bolted, and the room temp had risen to 75F and was increasing. I was moved to a new room with an apology. Doug On Nov 7, 2006, at 7:53 AM, GOLDMAN, STUART O ((STUART)) wrote: > And there is also a device at the top of the sliding door frame if you > have a balcony. > > Stuart Goldman > Lucent Technologies > sgoldman@lucent.com > 602 493 8438 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:smb@cs.columbia.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:29 AM > To: Michael Richardson > Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network > > On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:01:04 -0800, Michael Richardson > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> I found another device plugged into my DSL modem in the room. >> >> (I wish that they hotel would let us take over their room network... >> their network was too slow to load their click through page, and >> their >> server was generally speaking too overloaded often to answer even TCP >> SYNs) >> >> I followed the wire, and found: >> http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3052.jpg >> http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3053.jpg >> >> under desk. Derek Atkins had the same thing. Only mind plugs into to: >> http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/img_3051.jpg >> >> via a connector and an RJ11 coupler. The device was on the right hand >> side of the desk. As I followed the cable towards the TV, I >> thought... > "IPTV?" >> no. Device looks like a small relay. Maybe it's a sensor. >> Maybe a microphone. It would have a view of one bed. I left my >> sweater >> over it last night. >> >> Today, I think I'll disconnect it and see what happens. >> > I recall having this discussion before at another conference -- > possibly > the IETF, last time it was here. > > The consensus at the time was that the devices were part of room > environmental monitoring, including occupancy sensors (why heat or > cool > a > room, beyond certain limits, if there's no one there?). Note also a > device near the top of the door frame. > > > --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:07:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZ4r-0004rI-Rl; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:05:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZ4p-0004oQ-R5 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:05:51 -0500 Received: from mgw-ext14.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZ4o-0004JY-Bs for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:05:51 -0500 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id kA7M5kCL028872 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:05:49 +0200 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:05:47 +0200 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:05:47 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:05:46 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel Thread-Index: AccCuBnajmNEag8sQqe8Wg+qx4pSqgAAIj2Q From: To: <67attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 22:05:47.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0B980C0:01C702B8] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::061108000549-702F7BB0-76B3A7C8/0-0/0-0 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org=20 >[mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org]=20 >Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 >To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) >Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list > >Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > 67attendees@ietf.org > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > >********************************************************************** > > Note Well > >Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for=20 >publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC=20 >and any statement made within the context of an IETF activity=20 >is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such statements include=20 >oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and=20 >electronic communications made at any time or place, which are=20 >addressed to: > > - the IETF plenary session, > - any IETF working group or portion thereof, > - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, > - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, > - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any > working group or design team list, or any other list > functioning under IETF auspices, > - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function > >All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978=20 >(updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. > >Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or=20 >other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to=20 Hi all, Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else actually get the in-room connection working? thanks, John _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:15:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZDv-0000rN-Ln; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:15:15 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZDu-0000r1-He for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:15:14 -0500 Received: from sniper.icu.ac.kr ([210.107.128.51]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZDo-0005pL-TB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:15:14 -0500 Received: (snipe 30177 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2006 07:16:27 +0900 Received: from newcat@icu.ac.kr with Spamsniper 2.96.00 (Processed in 0.442372 secs); Received: from unknown (HELO ?130.129.71.103?) (ZT??own@130.129.71.103) by unknown with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 07:16:26 +0900 X-RCPTTO: john.loughney@nokia.com, 67attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <45510563.8020200@icu.ac.kr> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:14:59 +0900 From: Yangwoo Ko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org john.loughney@nokia.com wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 >> To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) >> Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list >> >> Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! >> >> To post to this list, send your email to: >> >> 67attendees@ietf.org >> >> General information about the mailing list is at: >> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees >> >> ********************************************************************** >> >> Note Well >> >> Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for >> publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC >> and any statement made within the context of an IETF activity >> is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such statements include >> oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and >> electronic communications made at any time or place, which are >> addressed to: >> >> - the IETF plenary session, >> - any IETF working group or portion thereof, >> - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, >> - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, >> - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any >> working group or design team list, or any other list >> functioning under IETF auspices, >> - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function >> >> All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 >> (updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. >> >> Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or >> other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to > Hi all, > > Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my > room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. > I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else > actually get the in-room connection working? Yes, it works for me except that it is very slow especially around mid-night. > > thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > > _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:20:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZID-0006X1-Br; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:41 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZIA-0006SS-Qd for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI9-0006UG-HU for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 5468660; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DCEE2F9-E8A1-4ADC-869F-3BE2611AF1E8@multicasttech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:18:56 -0500 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, on the first floor it has worked Sunday night through today. On sending a large file, I had a sustained bandwidth of about 30 Kbps, so it took a long while. You have to sign up first - you might want to remove any hard-wired DNS servers from your Internet configuration to get that to work. Regards Marshall On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:05 PM, wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 >> To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) >> Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list >> >> Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! >> >> To post to this list, send your email to: >> >> 67attendees@ietf.org >> >> General information about the mailing list is at: >> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> >> Note Well >> >> Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for >> publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC >> and any statement made within the context of an IETF activity >> is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such statements include >> oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and >> electronic communications made at any time or place, which are >> addressed to: >> >> - the IETF plenary session, >> - any IETF working group or portion thereof, >> - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, >> - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, >> - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any >> working group or design team list, or any other list >> functioning under IETF auspices, >> - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function >> >> All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 >> (updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. >> >> Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or >> other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to > Hi all, > > Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my > room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login > screen. > I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone > else > actually get the in-room connection working? > > thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:20:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI8-0006Jx-Hb; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI7-0006Jo-Ps for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI6-0006Tl-Cg for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kA7MJWg6024162 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:19:33 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:19:31 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Thread-Index: AccCuBnajmNEag8sQqe8Wg+qx4pSqgAAIj2QAAB2b7A= From: "Pdut, Yaron \(Yaron\)" To: , <67attendees@ietf.org> X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org At the west building its working great. With one exception - you should "refresh" the subscripion every 24 hr. =20 Let's see if they charge me for that at the end of the week... -----Original Message----- From: john.loughney@nokia.com [mailto:john.loughney@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:06 AM To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org=20 >[mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 >To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) >Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list > >Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > 67attendees@ietf.org > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > >********************************************************************** > > Note Well > >Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for publication=20 >as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and any statement made=20 >within the context of an IETF activity is considered an "IETF=20 >Contribution". Such statements include oral statements in IETF=20 >sessions, as well as written and electronic communications made at any=20 >time or place, which are addressed to: > > - the IETF plenary session, > - any IETF working group or portion thereof, > - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, > - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, > - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any > working group or design team list, or any other list > functioning under IETF auspices, > - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function > >All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 (updated by >RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. > >Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or other=20 >function, that are clearly not intended to be input to Hi all, Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else actually get the in-room connection working? thanks, John _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:20:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZIA-0006Sb-TN; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI9-0006Nz-RZ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:37 -0500 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZI7-0006U5-IR for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:19:37 -0500 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so1231843pye for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:19:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mOtDIexEejym23rRACVy7D9RhSrHjLo5mnPC/JDbsCqnQmmL4pYnq/gz0LYSWRqU3ECsKmGatL+4osmPvT1CsLMRuPT5olUSq/R2An1wh2vi2Vw2EbD1g5CzFIysw1yzcTx4HcOtgbZCwcDkKODdQpW7Yehgz7MI0K/WviICK10= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr10051548pym.1162937942087; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.45.9 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:19:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:19:01 -0800 From: "Clint Chaplin" To: "john.loughney@nokia.com" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm doing sorta OK, but I'm running ZoneLabs firewall, and the system keeps trying to open a connection with my computer, and the firewall refuses it. No timeouts, but lots of annoying firewall alerts. On 11/7/06, john.loughney@nokia.com wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > >[mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > >Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 > >To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) > >Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list > > > >Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! > > > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > 67attendees@ietf.org > > > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > > > >********************************************************************** > > > > Note Well > > > >Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for > >publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC > >and any statement made within the context of an IETF activity > >is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such statements include > >oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and > >electronic communications made at any time or place, which are > >addressed to: > > > > - the IETF plenary session, > > - any IETF working group or portion thereof, > > - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, > > - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, > > - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any > > working group or design team list, or any other list > > functioning under IETF auspices, > > - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function > > > >All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 > >(updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. > > > >Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or > >other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to > Hi all, > > Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my > room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. > I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else > actually get the in-room connection working? > > thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Wireless Security Technologist Wireless Standards Manager _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:22:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZKq-0001VR-Nv; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:22:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZKp-0001VK-6s for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:22:23 -0500 Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com ([209.73.179.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZKn-0006oH-Ko for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:22:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 60582 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 22:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USRUAMALISL.verizon.net) (agmalis@verizon.net@130.129.69.77 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 22:22:21 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:22:25 -0500 To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: John, Yes, I've used it the last two evenings/mornings and while it's functional for email and surfing, you wouldn't want to try streaming video over it. I remember fondly those IETFs (like Salt Lake City) where the IETF network was available in all of the guest rooms. Now that we're going to be sticking with a single hotel chain starting in Prague, perhaps we can work with their central organization to obtain more consistent in-room networking. Cheers, Andy ---------- At 11/8/2006 00:05 +0200, john.loughney@nokia.com wrote: > > >other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to >Hi all, > >Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my >room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. >I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else >actually get the in-room connection working? > >thanks, >John _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:23:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZLY-0002WX-Ue; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:23:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZLW-0002WO-Vc for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:23:06 -0500 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([12.129.211.51]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZLU-0006sz-L9 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:23:06 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J8D00GHHSPBYZ@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from z735001 (dhcp69-158.ietf67.org [130.129.69.158]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J8D00DPPSP63X@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:22:58 -0600 From: Yi Zhao Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-reply-to: To: john.loughney@nokia.com, 67attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <001101c702bb$48022af0$9e458182@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AccCuBnajmNEag8sQqe8Wg+qx4pSqgAAIj2QAACKy9A= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org It works. You need to launch the browser and login as a hotel guest. It shows $11 something for 24 hours but actually the hotel will wave the charge for IETF attendees (I called the front desk and was told so). Yi -----Original Message----- From: john.loughney@nokia.com [mailto:john.loughney@nokia.com] Sent: 2006$BG/(B11$B7n(B7$BF|(B 16:06 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel >-----Original Message----- >From: ext 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:67attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >Sent: 08 November, 2006 00:00 >To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) >Subject: Welcome to the "67ATTENDEES" mailing list > >Welcome to the 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org mailing list! > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > 67attendees@ietf.org > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > >********************************************************************** > > Note Well > >Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for >publication as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC >and any statement made within the context of an IETF activity >is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such statements include >oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and >electronic communications made at any time or place, which are >addressed to: > > - the IETF plenary session, > - any IETF working group or portion thereof, > - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, > - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, > - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any > working group or design team list, or any other list > functioning under IETF auspices, > - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function > >All IETF Contributions are subject to the rules of RFC 3978 >(updated by RFC 4748) and RFC 3979. > >Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list or >other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to Hi all, Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else actually get the in-room connection working? thanks, John _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:25:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZNX-0003F5-S9; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:25:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZNW-0003Ey-A6 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:25:10 -0500 Received: from smtp161.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZNU-00079w-0x for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:25:10 -0500 Received: from [130.129.71.104] (dhcp71-104.ietf67.org [130.129.71.104]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB3A253A7C for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:24:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <455107BA.8040509@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:24:58 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: OK Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] The Party's Almost Over (But Not Quite) X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Estrada" Sent: Tue, November 7, 2006 1:46 pm To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: The Party=92s Almost Over (But Not Quite) We had so much fun in Dallas with IETF@20 events, we decided to take=20 advantage of these final days of the celebratory year at IETF67. You=20 know, of course, that the first IETF meeting was held here in San Diego and now the last one of the 20th anniversary year. Amazing, huh? **Good Free Stuff and Video Infamy, All at the Same Time** What could be better? You get to predict, ponder and prognosticate. And, you get a free, high quality, very fashionable IETF@20 t-shirt or cap fo= r doing these p functions (which I must say, most of you do *so* very well.) If the video dude can tear himself away from the FABULOUS San Diego=20 outdoors, he will be around in the afternoon on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday to film your predictions for the future. Ponder these questions or make up your own questions and answers: Who will have written more than 25 RFCs by 2011? Who will have attended more than 50 IETF meetings by 2011? What will be the biggest issue(s) that the IETF will be working on in 2011? Who will be IETF chair? How many more aquarium socials will there be by 2011? How many more meetings in Minneapolis by 2011? Look for the guy with the video camera on Tuesday through Thursday from noon until 4pm. Or more importantly, look for the guy with the free cap= s and t-shirts. I know you want one. They are totally bomb-diggity. Check the far end of the hall just outside Grande Ballroom C (down by the piano). This is the hall where the breakfast=20 refreshments are each morning (for those of you who get up that early.) So what becomes of this video, you ask? ISOC will hold on to this=20 compilation and play them back in the future, probably in another five years. Just do it. Remember how fun the video was in Dallas? And, one other note, the free t's and caps are while they last. So don't delay. **I Was On My Way to the Social, and Learned about RFC 3** Just in case you don't get enough technical substance this week, the=20 busses to the social on Tuesday will be playing the first installations of the ISOC RFC Series videos. Steve Crocker talks about RFC 3 and RFC 1 and I gotta tell you, it's pretty interesting=20 stuff. Really. I'm not kidding. The lovely folks at Siemens have offered to play this video on the bus o= n the way to the Social. You'll enjoy it. I swear. We will also have a version of this big freaking file on the IETF web site somewhere and will let you know where RSN. If you want one of the bus copies for your very own video library, ask David McAuley (AKA the ISOC guy with the caps and t-shirts) to save one for you. We have 12 copies. Once they are gone, they are gone. **Miscellany** IETF@20 Partying is sponsored by ISOC for IETF67. This is for fun. None of your registration fees were used to support these activities. And, if you don't want to pay attention to the IETF@20 stuf= f because you are busy creating new standards, delete these messages. And, if you liked it, tell Lynn or David or the other ISOCers who go to the IETF. And, think about becoming an individual=20 member of ISOC. ISOC does a lot of good stuff all over the world.=20 Seriously. They really do. Check out the web site if you don't believe me. You'll be amazed. PS. Go outside at sunset time if you can and look for the green flash. With weather like we are having, it is a good opportunity to see i= t. PPS: To all those going to the IETF Social at the aquarium tonight hosted by Siemens, there will be buses leaving from both towers of the Sheraton - they start leaving at 7:30 tonight. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:30:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZSP-00059e-66; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:30:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZSN-00058T-Un for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:30:11 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZSM-0007zu-LA for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:30:11 -0500 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2006 23:30:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHqXUEWQ/uCKcmdsb2JhbACMSgEJDyo X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,398,1157320800"; d="scan'208"; a="117888670:sNHT24883152" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA7MU9fJ007343; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:30:09 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA7MU94Z007077; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:30:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.21.145.70] (sjc-vpn7-326.cisco.com [10.21.145.70]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00189; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:30:06 GMT Message-ID: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:29:50 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pdut, Yaron \(Yaron\)" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=521; t=1162938609; x=1163802609; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20Anyone=20get=20the=20'broadband'=20co nnection=20in=20the=09IETFhotel |Sender:; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D4aGjSvbJL/t3KF9f55l9cr8ryEo=3D; b=sAZmlX3mSwlY2pUnoEX/0C/TNe1Lyl49HDY82imr9KaEvNf10FGfy7sweyscru7qKLGNkJuV 6fqyEPlrBHCRSBfl2THgl6iTbyf+o/E6lO70rRlBFwxQuBShrxHbF+yZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > At the west building its working great. At 7am local time today I was seeing ping times in excess of *six* seconds to our mail server in UK. > Let's see if they charge me for that at the end of the week... If you're not on the IETF rate then at least tell them you're with the IETF and want free internet in your room. They wouldn't change my exorbitant room rate, but they gave me free "broadband" - though snails have moved faster... -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 17:42:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZdf-0002xs-RP; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:41:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZdf-0002xm-1O for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:41:51 -0500 Received: from relay4.san2.attens.net ([192.215.81.77]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhZdd-0000wp-Mt for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:41:51 -0500 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (127host143.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.242.143]) by relay4.san2.attens.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA7MficY010516 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:41:48 GMT Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kA7MfU2Z001564; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:41:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200611072241.kA7MfU2Z001564@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: john.loughney@nokia.com From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:05:46 +0200." Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:41:30 +1100 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Hi all, > > Sunday night and Monday morning, I wanted to get some work done in my > room, but found the in-room network kept timing out on the login screen. > I talked to a few people who reported the exact same thing. Anyone else > actually get the in-room connection working? > > thanks, > John Yes. Using it right now. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:03:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhauJ-00061y-K7; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhWKV-00083U-52 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from newcod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhWKT-0008OE-SI for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp65-62.ietf67.org [130.129.65.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D9412B95; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6814E775; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Richardson To: Doug Hantula Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network In-Reply-To: Message from Doug Hantula of "Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:31:20 PST." <07612019-176C-476C-81BA-2E45A7ED13F4@cisco.com> References: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> <07612019-176C-476C-81BA-2E45A7ED13F4@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:09:46 -0800 Message-ID: <316.1162926586@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Hantula writes: Doug> I "discovered" Sunday night that it is connected to the Doug> HVAC. The [apparent] thermostat unit in my first room had a Doug> LCD display word of "balcony" and the controls were Uhm, but not connected to your DSL modem on the desk, and IP addressable? - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRVDZ+ICLcPvd0N1lAQLbUwf/RPYPSyb9bs+9avUx/JKapru3E/3iu0cm 3f8nQWgHXvvEqa3alrwRODxHW2erUunblyRAR6viKKMUYSL/+YJFZhc/0Z1lqLEh oFDrWtrNVKI6n/uETOMi9NPwy7OFbAsvC0etLXx93D4HgkaBXAVq4tj6lg23xQsg zoMl36JUycMLDnZaM+wco+aU10flI+R/CCt/gacYMK2aDmwjfM4WZ7ib4aPTPMfK ZfoDxs+hdbMlU6TnfZ5y3bUPGCT94bQmemJ9pA8NGpCJ0IWQDJ2SbwqDk/uzC4gJ EpIQiX0hXTR3KHNhgoTpTkPvQ1eTtJCVKvSle3FLbl/RGiWO40568A== =KOfA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:03:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhauK-000629-1K; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhaAs-0007Dw-Ox for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:16:10 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhaAq-0005uL-Gh for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:16:10 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2006 15:16:08 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,398,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="48171650:sNHT46111164" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA7NG8sl019838; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:08 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA7NG8DM018320; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:07 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:15:24 -0800 From: Scott W Brim To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Message-ID: <20061107231524.GN1240@sbrim-wxp01> References: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 23:16:07.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4360AA0:01C702C2] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=281; t=1162941368; x=1163805368; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sbrim@cisco.com; z=From:Scott=20W=20Brim=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20Anyone=20get=20the=20'broadband'=20connection=20 in=20the=09IETFhotel |To:Paul=20Aitken=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DMZbSDZFVBFG09J/aO3U50Mr/FM0=3D; b=K5sij4W55n0Skr1rZxleml2eZoJ0HX9MTvIlZ19dSDtJ6PmB0gyOPO8l4oHcY5VLvWcO4DX5 Lc28zPzxDaFmlqytogSqzCu0QTfQr7ohrBb+ejmj4AZy8kZn7UF+9Nzf; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=sbrim@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Excerpts from Paul Aitken on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 10:29:50PM +0000: > At 7am local time today I was seeing ping times in excess of *six* > seconds to our mail server in UK. I found myself speculating which was more overloaded, the hotel network or the hotel hot water system. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:03:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhauJ-00061y-K7; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhWKV-00083U-52 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from newcod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhWKT-0008OE-SI for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp65-62.ietf67.org [130.129.65.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D9412B95; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6814E775; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Richardson To: Doug Hantula Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network In-Reply-To: Message from Doug Hantula of "Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:31:20 PST." <07612019-176C-476C-81BA-2E45A7ED13F4@cisco.com> References: <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> <07612019-176C-476C-81BA-2E45A7ED13F4@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:09:46 -0800 Message-ID: <316.1162926586@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Hantula writes: Doug> I "discovered" Sunday night that it is connected to the Doug> HVAC. The [apparent] thermostat unit in my first room had a Doug> LCD display word of "balcony" and the controls were Uhm, but not connected to your DSL modem on the desk, and IP addressable? - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRVDZ+ICLcPvd0N1lAQLbUwf/RPYPSyb9bs+9avUx/JKapru3E/3iu0cm 3f8nQWgHXvvEqa3alrwRODxHW2erUunblyRAR6viKKMUYSL/+YJFZhc/0Z1lqLEh oFDrWtrNVKI6n/uETOMi9NPwy7OFbAsvC0etLXx93D4HgkaBXAVq4tj6lg23xQsg zoMl36JUycMLDnZaM+wco+aU10flI+R/CCt/gacYMK2aDmwjfM4WZ7ib4aPTPMfK ZfoDxs+hdbMlU6TnfZ5y3bUPGCT94bQmemJ9pA8NGpCJ0IWQDJ2SbwqDk/uzC4gJ EpIQiX0hXTR3KHNhgoTpTkPvQ1eTtJCVKvSle3FLbl/RGiWO40568A== =KOfA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:03:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhauK-000629-1K; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhaAs-0007Dw-Ox for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:16:10 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhaAq-0005uL-Gh for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:16:10 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2006 15:16:08 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,398,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="48171650:sNHT46111164" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA7NG8sl019838; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:08 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA7NG8DM018320; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:07 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:16:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:15:24 -0800 From: Scott W Brim To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Message-ID: <20061107231524.GN1240@sbrim-wxp01> References: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 23:16:07.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4360AA0:01C702C2] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=281; t=1162941368; x=1163805368; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sbrim@cisco.com; z=From:Scott=20W=20Brim=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20Anyone=20get=20the=20'broadband'=20connection=20 in=20the=09IETFhotel |To:Paul=20Aitken=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DMZbSDZFVBFG09J/aO3U50Mr/FM0=3D; b=K5sij4W55n0Skr1rZxleml2eZoJ0HX9MTvIlZ19dSDtJ6PmB0gyOPO8l4oHcY5VLvWcO4DX5 Lc28zPzxDaFmlqytogSqzCu0QTfQr7ohrBb+ejmj4AZy8kZn7UF+9Nzf; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=sbrim@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Excerpts from Paul Aitken on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 10:29:50PM +0000: > At 7am local time today I was seeing ping times in excess of *six* > seconds to our mail server in UK. I found myself speculating which was more overloaded, the hotel network or the hotel hot water system. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:04:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhauJ-00061t-Ag; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhVo9-0001tL-8m for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:36:25 -0500 Received: from newcod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhVo5-0003j3-Ru for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:36:25 -0500 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp65-62.ietf67.org [130.129.65.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D111E12B78; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582014E775; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Steven M. Bellovin" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network In-Reply-To: Message from "Steven M. Bellovin" of "Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:56:19 EST." <20061107115619.8d44def0.smb@cs.columbia.edu> References: <20061107102858.514cdabf.smb@cs.columbia.edu> <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> <20061107115619.8d44def0.smb@cs.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <29404.1162924569@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:07 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Steven" == Steven M Bellovin writes: Steven> On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:53:31 -0600, "GOLDMAN, STUART O Steven> \(STUART\)" wrote: >> And there is also a device at the top of the sliding door frame >> if you have a balcony. >> Steven> Right -- mine is hooked to a magnetic switch, so it's very Steven> clearly a "door open" sensor. I have a sliding door, but I didn't see any wires leading to it. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRVDSFoCLcPvd0N1lAQI8fAgAlOMpaGWMd2fyi8nV6rJT4XRxk7EKtCbw LEj9WR1y7Pirg8kHPJ6HFabv/Ip7GqYO+TEBVEb8nzc6EUPPENtBxfD/yrJ9W51X 60bgTtCML/bhoPxpS+ooX+kGQdrqOnJcPHrCHAbHsSARcWXKnDVzLf8kW1WdCpiD r+Rwwhq+wNWbmKp/c0ZJV47FAXfIR759KcoW9Cxqj2yoZM9nqJHWf93WT3uElsDb +ImdFHKeaTsnAi7v8oZzh+GeusvQVDpR4XN6fiUgDYNd2CigYJArs4+lyFw8SGoK BuyrOxDBsVHU6W2h9cRg68e0Fu+k+yCaLrAh6P43LLzDxXlRoWQUEQ== =OnCP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:31:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbLS-0002Y5-Dv; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:31:10 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbLR-0002Xt-4s for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:31:09 -0500 Received: from smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbLP-0006oy-Ub for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:31:09 -0500 Received: from [130.129.71.104] (dhcp71-104.ietf67.org [130.129.71.104]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A2C7944C1FC for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:31:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4551254B.9070904@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:31:07 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] In-room Internet X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org In-room internet is included in the Sheraton room rate. You do have to login through the hotel and acknowledge the $11.95 charge per 24 hours, but that will not appear on the bill, IF you are registered as an attended at the IETF meeting. More details: http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/67-hotels.html Ray _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 19:34:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbO5-0003cs-QP; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbO5-0003cI-3X for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbO5-00078p-1D for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbCD-0006di-JM for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:21:38 -0500 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Nov 2006 01:21:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABKwUEWQ/uCLcmdsb2JhbACMSgEJDyo X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,398,1157320800"; d="scan'208"; a="117903598:sNHT24335424" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA80La9O004045; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:21:36 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA80LZ4Z015180; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:21:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.21.90.19] (sjc-vpn5-531.cisco.com [10.21.90.19]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10014; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:21:33 GMT Message-ID: <455122FE.2000805@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:21:18 +0000 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] unknown device in room connected to network References: <20061107102858.514cdabf.smb@cs.columbia.edu> <7D096A439A3D0D48A3D10872022CFD09562729@ILEXC1U02.ndc.lucent.com> <20061107115619.8d44def0.smb@cs.columbia.edu> <29404.1162924569@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> In-Reply-To: <29404.1162924569@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=330; t=1162945296; x=1163809296; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20unknown=20device=20in=20room=20connec ted=20to=20network |Sender:; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D/nx3kZnBWAhpeOwTgFMHu+jpx7k=3D; b=Z4RBmPw+BqU65xeceo5lGrCWcUh28agRSYdagK2LATzUWoyxjsttZ1fSkXC5UScMNdUui8GY IRnpXKUEoIhF4hnW0r0AAR/PgoSxH/d9uW681Jv1feP8LfR+qe3epDcO; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Michael > Steven> Right -- mine is hooked to a magnetic switch, so it's very > Steven> clearly a "door open" sensor. > > I have a sliding door, but I didn't see any wires leading to it. Ah, it's a wireless connection! BTW, it works by infrared. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 20:00:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbmT-0004T3-3K; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:59:05 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbmR-0004Sx-Mn for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:59:03 -0500 Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhbmP-00026k-DB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:59:03 -0500 Received: from i72ms2.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.70.17] helo=smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1GhbmB-00088f-U9; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:58:51 +0100 Received: from vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de [IPv6:2001:638:204:6:207:e9ff:fe0c:5e44]) by smtp.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92289A460; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:58:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vorta.ipv6.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1GhbmB-0001xR-6V; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:58:47 +0100 Message-ID: <45512B61.6030503@tm.uka.de> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:57:05 +0100 From: Roland Bless User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060909 Thunderbird/1.5.0.7 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yi Zhao Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel References: <001101c702bb$48022af0$9e458182@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c702bb$48022af0$9e458182@china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Report: -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.2 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Yi Zhao wrote: > It works. You need to launch the browser and login as a hotel guest. It I experienced problems (500 Internal Server Error) using FireFox as a Browser when trying to log in. Using a different Browser helped as workaround. However, in terms of performance you are better off with the IETF net. Regards, Roland _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 20:17:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghc2t-0000ai-Ro; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:16:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghc2s-0000ad-En for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:16:02 -0500 Received: from h-74-0-36-190.snfccasy.covad.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghc2r-0004TA-5W for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:16:02 -0500 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 5F2718ABADA; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [130.129.65.199] (dhcp65-199.ietf67.org [130.129.65.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C0D8ABA89 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:15:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:15:54 -0800 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Nope. I have tried a few times between Sunday and now. It gives me (very slowly) a login screen, and then after trying to activate, I get a duplicate address error and nothing works. I am on the 10th floor in the East tower, and if I open my balcony window (nice weather), I can sometimes connect to the ietf wlan network..probably from the West tower LOS. If all else fails, GPRS is a bit faster here than San Francisco and I go with that.. that's the most reliable connection from my room, if a bit low bw. TJ _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 20:40:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhcOv-0005Ib-L6; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:38:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhcOu-0005IV-VJ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:38:48 -0500 Received: from mgw-ext14.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhcOr-0006Yg-Gy for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:38:48 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id kA81cgLL017732; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:38:44 +0200 Received: from esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.77]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:38:43 +0200 Received: from dadhcp-172019074161.americas.nokia.com ([172.19.74.161]) by esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:38:42 +0200 Received: from dadhcp-172019074161.americas.nokia.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dadhcp-172019074161.americas.nokia.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kA81cfVN017835; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:38:41 -0800 Received: (from david@localhost) by dadhcp-172019074161.americas.nokia.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id kA81cekg017834; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:38:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:38:40 -0800 From: David Kessens To: "T.J. Kniveton" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Message-ID: <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> References: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2006 01:38:43.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FD10100:01C702D6] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::061108033844-45161BB0-0F1C20F4/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org T.J., On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:15:54PM -0800, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > > I am on the 10th floor in the East tower, and if I open my balcony > window (nice weather), I can sometimes connect to the ietf wlan > network..probably from the West tower LOS. I am on the 11th floor and I have a choice of open networks available using my somewhat higher-powered 802.11b card without any need to open balcony windows. David Kessens --- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 21:03:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhclO-0004Pn-8Y; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:02:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhclN-0004Pi-MZ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:02:01 -0500 Received: from mx01.net.com ([134.56.3.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhclM-0000pA-AJ for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:02:01 -0500 Received: from mx02-int.net.com (mx02-int.net.com [134.56.112.14]) by mx01.net.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kA821uUc014463; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmt-ex01.net.com (fmt-exchange.net.com [134.56.112.251]) by mx02-int.net.com (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id kA821ob6013596; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] In-room Internet Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:01:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] In-room Internet Thread-Index: AccCzXx2ENbKJVqLRwCMFiSJ0AU48gADBUrA From: "Sreedhar Pampati" To: "Ray Pelletier" , <67attendees@ietf.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on fmt-spam02.net.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ray, Some of us could not get the IETF group rate for the hotel rooms, which made us register with the hotel as NOT part of that group. What matters for this free internet? Is it the registration with the IETF for the meeting or the registration with the hotel? Can you please clarify? The front desk told me that I would not get the internet since I am not booked as part of that group. Thanks Sreedhar -----Original Message----- From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:31 PM To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] In-room Internet In-room internet is included in the Sheraton room rate. You do have to login through the hotel and acknowledge the $11.95 charge per 24 hours, but that will not appear on the bill, IF you are=20 registered as an attended at the IETF meeting. More details: http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/67-hotels.html Ray _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 21:10:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghcsq-0001qE-GR; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:09:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghcso-0001pm-SB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:09:42 -0500 Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghcsn-0001m5-JE for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:09:42 -0500 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2117937EBD; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:09:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3BE37EA4; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:09:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB45737E59; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:09:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ghcsm-000297-20; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:09:40 +0100 Message-ID: <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:09:31 -0800 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kessens Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org T.J., David on 2006-11-07 17:38 David Kessens said the following: > T.J., > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:15:54PM -0800, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >> >> I am on the 10th floor in the East tower, and if I open my balcony >> window (nice weather), I can sometimes connect to the ietf wlan >> network..probably from the West tower LOS. > > I am on the 11th floor and I have a choice of open networks available > using my somewhat higher-powered 802.11b card without any need to open > balcony windows. And I'm on the 11th floor, and have an AirportExpress running. I'll change it to open, too. Henrik _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 23:05:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhefN-0007fh-RH; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:03:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhefL-0007fY-VX for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:03:55 -0500 Received: from celtic-out.kyocera-wireless.com ([206.169.67.126] helo=celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhefK-0001d3-Iv for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:03:55 -0500 Received: from [172.20.94.148] (pptp148.intra.kyocera-wireless.com [172.20.94.148]) by celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id kA843rMx029820 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:08:02 -0800 From: Tim Thome Organization: Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1801436192==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1801436192== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010002010003060804020408" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010002010003060804020408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > T.J., David > > on 2006-11-07 17:38 David Kessens said the following: > >> T.J., >> >> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:15:54PM -0800, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >> >>> I am on the 10th floor in the East tower, and if I open my balcony >>> window (nice weather), I can sometimes connect to the ietf wlan >>> network..probably from the West tower LOS. >>> >> I am on the 11th floor and I have a choice of open networks available >> using my somewhat higher-powered 802.11b card without any need to open >> balcony windows. >> > > And I'm on the 11th floor, and have an AirportExpress running. I'll > change it to open, too. Speaking from experience - let folks know the SSID and a WPA passphrase... modern 802.11b cards support at least WPA, and most current 802.11g devices support WPA2. If folks coordinate SSID's, Keys, and Channels, we can expand the 'net for others. It's one thing to share bandwidth, however limited - it's another to just keep things open. My last experience with an open WiFi AP was that someone started up a bittorrent client, and shut down my DSLAN access within about 15 seconds. So now I do lock things down a bit. The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)... Tim -- Tim Thome Systems Design Engineer, Senior Staff Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp. San Diego, CA --------------010002010003060804020408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henrik Levkowetz wrote: 
T.J., David

on 2006-11-07 17:38 David Kessens said the following:
  
T.J.,

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:15:54PM -0800, T.J. Kniveton wrote:
    
I am on the 10th floor in the East tower, and if I open my balcony 
window (nice weather), I can sometimes connect to the ietf wlan 
network..probably from the West tower LOS.
      
I am on the 11th floor and I have a choice of open networks available
using my somewhat higher-powered 802.11b card without any need to open
balcony windows.
    

And I'm on the 11th floor, and have an AirportExpress running.  I'll
change it to open, too.

Speaking from experience - let folks know the SSID and a WPA passphrase... modern 802.11b cards support at least WPA, and most current 802.11g devices support WPA2. If folks coordinate SSID's, Keys, and Channels, we can expand the 'net for others.

It's one thing to share bandwidth, however limited - it's another to just keep things open. My last experience with an open WiFi AP was that someone started up a bittorrent client, and shut down my DSLAN access within about 15 seconds. So now I do lock things down a bit.

The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)...

Tim
-- 
Tim Thome
Systems Design Engineer, Senior Staff
Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp.
San Diego, CA
--------------010002010003060804020408-- --===============1801436192== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============1801436192==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 23:59:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhfVs-0007cE-B0; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:58:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhfVr-0007c9-DT for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:58:11 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhfVq-0007kv-3E for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:58:11 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kA84w9d5005019; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:58:09 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA84w90B008098; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:58:10 -0600 Received: from [192.168.21.72] ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:58:07 -0500 From: "Peter Lovell" To: "Tim Thome" , <67attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re(2): [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:58:00 -0800 Message-Id: <20061108045800.2031240345@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> References: <455 12FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5 build 4456 English (intel) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2006 04:58:08.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C0D0E00:01C702F2] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is >Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)... The Buffalo WHR-G54S is good also - very small to pack away. It's commonly on sale for $39 recently and has 120-240V power so taking overseas is easy. Cheers.....Peter _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 12:36:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhrKf-0004wJ-Kv; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:35:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhrKe-0004wE-04 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:35:24 -0500 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.176]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhrKc-0005kb-KW for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:35:23 -0500 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kA8HZL1q000673; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [12.105.246.165] (0127ahost165.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.246.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kA8HZJMp000647; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:35:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> References: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02CA39D6-ECC7-4D4A-A9D3-71AB1EBBFDF1@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dennis Ferguson Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:35:17 -0800 To: Paul Aitken X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7-Nov-06, at 2:29 PM, Paul Aitken wrote: > >> At the west building its working great. > > At 7am local time today I was seeing ping times in excess of *six* > seconds to our mail server in UK. I got the following on the day I arrived and recorded it for posterity. I've seen routers which can reorder packets, but one which can reorder them by 8 seconds seems like a rather exceptional feat of engineering. Dennis Ferguson $ ping 128.100.100.1 PING 128.100.100.1 (128.100.100.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=46 time=2152.449 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=46 time=2471.834 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=46 time=1978.171 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=9786.939 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=8924.902 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=8183.061 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=7183.093 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=46 time=1345.046 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=46 time=1740.026 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=46 time=1720.237 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=46 time=1335.386 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=46 time=631.387 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=46 time=366.841 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=46 time=13743.253 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=46 time=12596.973 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=46 time=12183.480 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=46 time=8526.156 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=46 time=6074.832 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=46 time=8463.227 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=46 time=7965.649 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=46 time=12344.261 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=46 time=13880.017 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=24 ttl=46 time=10297.017 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=25 ttl=46 time=10779.715 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=27 ttl=46 time=11655.553 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=28 ttl=46 time=11020.250 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=29 ttl=46 time=10021.397 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=31 ttl=46 time=8205.293 ms 64 bytes from 128.100.100.1: icmp_seq=34 ttl=46 time=7266.492 ms ^C --- 128.100.100.1 ping statistics --- 42 packets transmitted, 29 packets received, 30% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 366.841/7339.412/13880.017/4324.829 ms $ _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 13:13:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhruM-00058m-Kb; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:12:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhruL-00058W-9u for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:12:17 -0500 Received: from h-74-0-36-190.snfccasy.covad.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhruJ-00040v-Vr for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:12:17 -0500 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id 04A368ABA9F; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [130.129.65.199] (dhcp65-199.ietf67.org [130.129.65.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF0A8AB812 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45521DEA.30803@kniveton.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:11:54 -0800 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> In-Reply-To: <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tim Thome wrote: > > It's one thing to share bandwidth, however limited - it's another to > just keep things open. My last experience with an open WiFi AP was > that someone started up a bittorrent client, and shut down my DSLAN > access within about 15 seconds. So now I do lock things down a bit. IETF folks would never do such a thing, would they?? > > The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is > Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)... I thought the WTR54G was a nice solution too, especially for $19 at Fry's.. until I bought one and it didn't work at all. Spent an hour on tech support to India and now it's been sent back to Linksys for replacement (nothing yet)..... Never had a problem with my AP Express. Should have bought another one for travel, but I guess I was too attracted by the cheap price tag of the Linksys. Like they say, you get what you pay for (or less).. Dennis Ferguson wrote: > I got the following on the day I arrived and recorded it for posterity. > I've seen routers which can reorder packets, but one which can reorder > them by 8 seconds seems like a rather exceptional feat of engineering. Wow, that *is* a pretty unique one.. TJ _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 13:58:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhscR-0004NH-NF; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:57:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhscP-0004JG-TR for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:57:49 -0500 Received: from mx21.fluidhosting.com ([204.14.89.4] helo=mail2.fluidhosting.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhscN-0001CU-Rg for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:57:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 12455 invoked by uid 399); 8 Nov 2006 18:57:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?12.105.246.155?) 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Kniveton" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel References: <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> <45521DEA.30803@kniveton.com> In-Reply-To: <45521DEA.30803@kniveton.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org T.J. Kniveton wrote: > I thought the WTR54G was a nice solution too, especially for $19 at > Fry's.. until I bought one and it didn't work at all. Unfortunately Linksys changed the internals on that model without changing the model number. Up through version 4.x the WRT54G (and WRT54GS) ran Linux under the hood, and were prized by hackers everywhere. Version 5 switched to VxWorks internals (and cut the ram in half), and there have been lots of problems reported. If you can find a WRT54G with versions in the 3.x or 4.x ranges, or one of the newer WRT54GL models (the L stands for Linux), you'll be fine, but they are more expensive. Here is a URL for those interested in more info: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4729641740.html I myself have 2 of the old Linux based models, and have never had a single problem with them. hth, Doug -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 14:07:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhslF-0000sC-SM; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:06:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhslE-0000s6-EN for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:06:56 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhslD-0002K9-0M for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:06:56 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kA8J6pdW023365; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:06:51 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA8J6nv3020356; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:06:51 -0600 Received: from [130.129.69.93] ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:06:48 -0500 From: "Peter Lovell" To: "Doug Barton" , "T.J. Kniveton" Subject: Re(2): [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:06:45 -0800 Message-Id: <20061108190645.1531119700@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <455228A2.5020403@dougbarton.us> References: <455 12FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.30900 07@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> <45521DEA.30803@kniveton.com> <455228A2.5020403@dougbarton.us> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5 build 4456 English (intel) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2006 19:06:48.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A45BB60:01C70369] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >T.J. Kniveton wrote: > >> I thought the WTR54G was a nice solution too, especially for $19 at >> Fry's.. until I bought one and it didn't work at all. > >Unfortunately Linksys changed the internals on that model without >changing the model number. Up through version 4.x the WRT54G (and >WRT54GS) ran Linux under the hood, and were prized by hackers >everywhere. Version 5 switched to VxWorks internals (and cut the ram >in half), and there have been lots of problems reported. > >If you can find a WRT54G with versions in the 3.x or 4.x ranges, or >one of the newer WRT54GL models (the L stands for Linux), you'll be >fine, but they are more expensive. Here is a URL for those interested >in more info: > >http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4729641740.html > >I myself have 2 of the old Linux based models, and have never had a >single problem with them. > >hth, > >Doug > >-- The Buffalo one is similar to the earlier Linksys one with regard to being hackable. There are DD-WRT versions available for it too. Cheers.....Peter _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 14:41:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtHG-0000XI-Vj; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:40:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtHD-0000X8-9q for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:39:59 -0500 Received: from celtic-out.kyocera-wireless.com ([206.169.67.126] helo=celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtHA-0007Cs-VV for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:39:59 -0500 Received: from TTHOME-XP.kyocera-wireless.com (pptp113.intra.kyocera-wireless.com [172.20.94.113]) by celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id kA8JdtN0018581; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:39:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20061108113614.021d5480@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com> X-Sender: tthome@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:41:43 -0800 To: "T.J. Kniveton" From: Tim Thome Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-Reply-To: <45521DEA.30803@kniveton.com> References: <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 10:11 AM 11/8/2006, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >>The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is >>Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)... >I thought the WTR54G was a nice solution too, especially for $19 at >Fry's.. until I bought one and it didn't work at all. Spent an hour on >tech support to India and now it's been sent back to Linksys for >replacement (nothing yet)..... Never had a problem with my AP Express. >Should have bought another one for travel, but I guess I was too attracted >by the cheap price tag of the Linksys. Like they say, you get what you pay >for (or less).. WTR54GS, it's a small travel router, not the same as the WRT54G... it's about the same size as the airport express. The WRT54G/GS can be a good router, however Linksys did change it in the later HW revisions (v5 and later). Even though it's the same model number, it's definitely not the same level of performance as the older HW. DD-WRT can be flashed on to I hear, and this does help. Tim -- Tim Thome Senior Staff Engineer Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp. San Diego, CA _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 14:59:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtZ2-0000Nn-Jv; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:58:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtZ2-0000Ni-Aa for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:58:24 -0500 Received: from mx21.fluidhosting.com ([204.14.89.4] helo=mail2.fluidhosting.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhtZ1-0000JS-3z for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:58:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 23881 invoked by uid 399); 8 Nov 2006 19:58:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?156.154.4.242?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 19:58:23 -0000 Message-ID: <455236DE.1060901@dougbarton.us> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:58:22 -0800 From: Doug Barton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Thome Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel References: <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> <45512FCA.9010708@kniveton.com> <20061108013840.GA17635@nokia.com> <45513C5B.3090007@levkowetz.com> <45515822.9020201@ktrc-na.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20061108113614.021d5480@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20061108113614.021d5480@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tim Thome wrote: > WTR54GS, it's a small travel router, not the same as the WRT54G... D'oh! Dyslexia strikes agian. :) Doug -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 15:27:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghu0g-0006Qm-D2; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:26:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghu0f-0006Qg-4U for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:26:57 -0500 Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghu0a-0002zQ-Ms for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:26:57 -0500 Received: from [130.129.69.126] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.4.R) with ESMTP id md50002195927.msg for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:23:38 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:26:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <67attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel Thread-Index: AccDdCEdX/RSgm9nEduXLwANky3PwA== In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20061108113614.021d5480@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:061108:67attendees@ietf.org::4EovIuYRqzr+uCwD:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000845M X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.69.126 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.7 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:23:39 +0100 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:23:42 +0100 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org I use WL-530g from Asus. Regards, Jordi > De: Tim Thome > Responder a: <67attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Fecha: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:41:43 -0800 > Para: "T.J. Kniveton" > CC: <67attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF > hotel > > At 10:11 AM 11/8/2006, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >>> The Apple Airport Express is a nice travel router, another is >>> Cisco-Linksys' WTR54GS (this is what I carry)... >> I thought the WTR54G was a nice solution too, especially for $19 at >> Fry's.. until I bought one and it didn't work at all. Spent an hour on >> tech support to India and now it's been sent back to Linksys for >> replacement (nothing yet)..... Never had a problem with my AP Express. >> Should have bought another one for travel, but I guess I was too attracted >> by the cheap price tag of the Linksys. Like they say, you get what you pay >> for (or less).. > > WTR54GS, it's a small travel router, not the same as the WRT54G... it's > about the same size as the airport express. > > The WRT54G/GS can be a good router, however Linksys did change it in the > later HW revisions (v5 and later). Even though it's the same model number, > it's definitely not the same level of performance as the older HW. DD-WRT > can be flashed on to I hear, and this does help. > > Tim > -- > Tim Thome > Senior Staff Engineer > Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp. > San Diego, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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Last night, at 6:30, I started a ping study from my room to a computer back at "the ranch". You may look at the pictures at ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/fred/sheraton/ping-study-11-7-rtt.htm There are two charts, one of the ping RTT distribution, and one of the per-minute minimum, average, maximum, standard deviation, and percentage of loss. You flip between them (yes, this was done using Excel) by clicking on "chart1" and "chart2". The second is displayed on a log-linear chart, because the upper bound value is a 35 second RTT on a ping that happened a bit after 11:00 last nightand it would be really nice to be able to see the normal samples, which are in the 60-500ms range. The delay distribution chart is interesting in this way: the 90% confidence delay is shown in the chart; the last 10% has samples, as I said, all the way from 750 ms to 35 seconds. But instead of the typical Poisson distribution in which 90% of cases are within zero and twice the mean, there is a big bump around the mean and a really long and pronounced tail in which there is a very high probability that delay on a packet is many times the mean RTT. I would guess that your average TCP is probably unnecessarily retransmitting a significant percentage of its transmissions simply because of wildly varying delay. Basically, last night, there was a significant delay bump from 10:00 PM to 1:30 AM and another one from about 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM. Surprise. 10:00 is about when we got back from the social, dinner, or whatever else we did last night, and 6:00-8:00 is when we are all in our rooms and haven't yet materialized downstairs for coffee. Something about having 1000 internet geeks walk into a hotel that is designed for executive travelers and wonder what's happening back home :-) _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 18:09:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhwWX-0002dH-99; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:08:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhwWW-0002d9-7b for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from newcod.sandelman.ca ([192.139.46.42] helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhwWT-0001Sy-Ud for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (dhcp65-62.ietf67.org [130.129.65.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B58B12CD3 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2394E775 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Richardson To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETFhotel In-Reply-To: Message from Dennis Ferguson of "Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:35:17 PST." <02CA39D6-ECC7-4D4A-A9D3-71AB1EBBFDF1@mac.com> References: <455108DE.9030707@cisco.com> <02CA39D6-ECC7-4D4A-A9D3-71AB1EBBFDF1@mac.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:07:33 -0800 Message-ID: <10886.1163027253@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I too was unable to get online on Sunday night. I also got TCP refused, etc. when getting redirected, and then finally got redirected and was able to click through. (Is PANA the standards-track way to do this?) I am now a lot more successful, but the network is still very slow. Ray: we have been able to re-plug hotel networks in the past to use our bandwidth. I'd really like to see this part of our contract negotiations. - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRVJjMICLcPvd0N1lAQK66ggAhTxOzf2kSOyix23RIS7EVHX3cK9isXsh wdTv7T6uJuLvUrQ2AwB++hIKXcZMV4THfEOOwU9VEHfXzALC/j1G1+ALJTInydwY ZGsvix7xdZkwGwYE5pdWHcBwRDnIfdmoj6LeTOvbN3Y4cCqapHJtrzOXWLro6k8N PsP3N3gZWP2qKsOZ4099lKwOs18XfsGGdNKkk9S47Yj5n7E26VJTLzX3xg3b6Y5w juU3xMPmvvl2O7bvjOR5x3e0fyQv5mL8XoHU+dFdMIMgPXJSHKEYgRzKP5wAH19P ZX95Us4nch6SE4LlVKCNqsqXYLKAFcjyE41g9+L12Pt6N34bdfOjUg== =JQ+v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 19:07:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhxRT-0002J8-Sn; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:06:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhxRT-0002IT-7i for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:06:51 -0500 Received: from diotima.switch.ch ([2001:620:0:4:203:baff:fe4c:d751]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhxRP-0002yl-1Q for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:06:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by diotima.switch.ch (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kA906WBL007838; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:06:32 +0100 (CET) From: Simon Leinen Message-ID: <17746.28933.972515.60714@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:06:21 -0800 To: Fred Baker Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Anyone get the 'broadband' connection in the IETF hotel In-Reply-To: <1B97C810-8F75-477B-850F-4B034C7BC066@cisco.com> References: <1B97C810-8F75-477B-850F-4B034C7BC066@cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.90.1 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fred Baker writes: > So you may find this interesting. Last night, at 6:30, I started a > ping study from my room to a computer back at "the ranch". You may > look at the pictures at > ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/fred/sheraton/ping-study-11-7-rtt.htm Cute, thanks! My laptop is permanently monitored using Tobi Oetiker's SmokePing tool, which has another nice way of visualizing delay distributions (loss is also displayed, by the color of the median line): http://lg.net.switch.ch/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=World.Europe.Switzerland.Simon.Laptop The measurement server is in Switzerland, so the base RTT is >160ms (and timescale is based on Central European Time). > [...] The second is displayed on a log-linear chart, because the > upper bound value is a 35 second RTT on a ping that happened a bit > after 11:00 last night Sudden load increase as busloads of IETFers returning from the (excellent) social were unloaded onto the poor hotel network? > and it would be really nice to be able to see the normal samples, > which are in the 60-500ms range. The delay distribution chart is > interesting in this way: the 90% confidence delay is shown in the > chart; the last 10% has samples, as I said, all the way from 750 ms > to 35 seconds. But instead of the typical Poisson distribution in > which 90% of cases are within zero and twice the mean, there is a > big bump around the mean and a really long and pronounced tail in > which there is a very high probability that delay on a packet is > many times the mean RTT. I would guess that your average TCP is > probably unnecessarily retransmitting a significant percentage of > its transmissions simply because of wildly varying delay. Right. This would argue for tuning the network differently, namely for shorter queues, possibly (but not necessarily) at the expense of higher loss. Sounds like an excellent place for RED (remember RED?), but even with tail-drop and just smaller buffer limits in some router, it would probably work better for most if not all users. If someone has contacts with the operator of the congested part of the backbone (AT&T?), I wouldn't mind talking to them... > Basically, last night, there was a significant delay bump from 10:00 > PM to 1:30 AM and another one from about 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM. > Surprise. 10:00 is about when we got back from the social, dinner, > or whatever else we did last night, and 6:00-8:00 is when we are all > in our rooms and haven't yet materialized downstairs for coffee. > Something about having 1000 internet geeks walk into a hotel that is > designed for executive travelers and wonder what's happening back > home :-) I can easily imagine that this type of behavior "trickles down" to the non-geek traveler population. -- Simon. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 09 14:30:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFa4-0006Z7-4x; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:28:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFa3-0006Yf-FY for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:28:55 -0500 Received: from smtp151.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFa2-00032u-9j for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:28:55 -0500 Received: from [130.129.71.104] (dhcp71-104.ietf67.org [130.129.71.104]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F241F1A6E5 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:28:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45538174.40804@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:28:52 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Video Last Call X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org All; Today is the last day to make a lasting impression. Look for the guy with the video camera today from 11:30 until 3:30 pm. Or more importantly, look for the guy with the free caps and t-shirts. Check the far end of the hall just outside Grande Ballroom C (down by the piano). So what becomes of this video, you ask? ISOC will hold on to this compilation and play them back in the future, probably in another five years. Just do it. Remember how fun the video was in Dallas? And, one other note, the free t's and caps are while they last. So don't delay. Ray _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 09 21:25:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiM3a-0004BO-19; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:23:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiM3Y-0004AT-SC for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:23:48 -0500 Received: from smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiM3V-0002MY-LF for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:23:48 -0500 Received: from [12.105.242.83] (127host83.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.242.83]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2D3344C09D for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:23:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4553E2AE.3080604@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:23:42 -0800 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Internet Society T-shirt Give Away X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org All; ISOC has been active in helping us celebrate the IETF 20th anniversary. In doing so they've been giving out T-shirts and baseball caps to trivia winners, video interviewees and the like. These are nice, quality shirts and caps. Well, they have a few shirts and caps left over. These collectors items will be available in the Grande Foyer Friday morning for as long as they last. First come, first served. A special thank you to the Internet Society for helping us celebrate the IETF 20th. As we learned last night at the Plenary, Jon Postel was the first member of the Internet Society. Joining ISOC will put you in good company. http://www.isoc.org/members/ Dr. Jonathan Postel http://www.isi.edu/div7/people/postel.home/ Ray Pelletier IAD _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 13:15:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiatW-0005V2-LS; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:14:26 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiatU-0005RD-OA; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:14:24 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8c:8515] (helo=uillean.fuaim.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiatT-00028B-73; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:14:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE3B94F; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uillean.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 46735-01-18; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8e:6dd3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25276B94E; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.65.200] (dhcp65-200.ietf67.org [130.129.65.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by clairseach.fuaim.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kAAI91q5019432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:09:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ietf@ietf.org, 67attendees@ietf.org From: Jim Martin Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:13:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Subject: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Gentlepeople, Consider this the traditional 10am warning that the IETF network will go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping schedule today, so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at 12. The hotel wireless in the lobby of both buildings should be available again (for registered guests) on or before noon to provide continuing connectivity for folks. Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! - Jim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 13:43:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibKl-0007LP-T0; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:42:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibIn-0006Rr-EB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:40:33 -0500 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibFe-0005Bf-QB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:37:24 -0500 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAAIat7R001345 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:55 GMT Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAAIajH2016785 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:45 GMT Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id kAAIagAA028113 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:42 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:42 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: 67attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20061110183642.GE26222@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 1112866b7a3b25e40a10aa6ddeba3f6a X-Null-Tag: c62fe45e755f89dc6f957b36027252f7 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 10:13:59AM -0800, Jim Martin wrote: > Gentlepeople, > Consider this the traditional 10am warning that the IETF network > will go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping > schedule today, so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at > 12. The hotel wireless in the lobby of both buildings should be > available again (for registered guests) on or before noon to provide > continuing connectivity for folks. > > Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! Thanks for providing a very good network for 67 :) -- Tim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 13:47:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibOi-0000re-UH; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:46:41 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibOh-0000rD-C2; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:46:39 -0500 Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibOe-0007WS-Uj; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:46:39 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAAIkYK1089712; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:46:35 GMT Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.212]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id kAAIngm93236004; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:49:42 +0100 Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id kAAIkXuU006605; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:46:33 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAAIkXBr006599; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:46:33 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com ([9.4.210.165]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA46318; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4554C905.3020701@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:46:29 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Martin References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! From a network point of view, I think we had an excellent week, and many thanks to the whole crew! Brian _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 13:53:42 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibVH-0006Oy-Jg; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:53:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibIf-0006Fj-6m for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:40:25 -0500 Received: from central.switch.ch ([130.59.11.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibIZ-0005TV-F2 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:40:20 -0500 Received: from machb.switch.ch ([130.59.6.129]) by central.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1GibI5-0003zA-00; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:39:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:39:40 +0100 (CET) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: Jim Martin Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:53:26 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dear NOC team! Congratulations! The network has worked really great! I've had no problems, no interruptions, and IPv6 was running smoothly too. Even in my hotel room I could use the IETF Wireless LAN network (access points in the pool area). Thanks to the whole NOC Team for the excellent connectivity we've experienced during this meeting! c.u. in Prague, Bernie On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Jim Martin wrote: > Gentlepeople, > Consider this the traditional 10am warning that the IETF network will > go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping schedule today, > so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at 12. The hotel wireless > in the lobby of both buildings should be available again (for registered > guests) on or before noon to provide continuing connectivity for folks. > > Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! > > - Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 14:30:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gic4W-0004OQ-Cr; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gic19-0003Bh-IO for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:26:23 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GibnT-00035k-1K for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:12:17 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:12:14 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:12:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Thread-Index: AccE+bjZh2hHsIwQQFedzpGV13dFlAAAmiIq From: "Burger, Eric" To: <67attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 19:12:14.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[21DF9900:01C704FC] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0819865361==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0819865361== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C704FC.213716DB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C704FC.213716DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was by far the best wireless coverage and connectivity to the = Internet that I have had at an IETF in recent memory! Excellent job!!! -- Sent from my wireless device. Sorry if terse. Can't wait for lemonade! = What is lemonade? See -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Hoeneisen [mailto:bhoeneis@switch.ch] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Jim Martin Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Dear NOC team! Congratulations! The network has worked really great! I've had no problems, no=20 interruptions, and IPv6 was running smoothly too. Even in my hotel room = I=20 could use the IETF Wireless LAN network (access points in the pool = area). Thanks to the whole NOC Team for the excellent connectivity we've=20 experienced during this meeting! c.u. in Prague, Bernie On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Jim Martin wrote: > Gentlepeople, > Consider this the traditional 10am warning that the IETF network will = > go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping schedule = today,=20 > so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at 12. The hotel = wireless=20 > in the lobby of both buildings should be available again (for = registered=20 > guests) on or before noon to provide continuing connectivity for = folks. > > Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! > > - Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C704FC.213716DB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00

This was by far the best wireless coverage and = connectivity to the Internet that I have had at an IETF in recent = memory!  Excellent job!!!

--
Sent from my wireless device. Sorry if terse. Can't wait for = lemonade!  What is lemonade? See <http://flyingfox.canta= ta.com/i-d/lemonade>

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Bernie Hoeneisen [mailto:bhoeneis@switch.ch]
Sent:   Friday, November 10, 2006 01:54 PM Eastern Standard = Time
To:     Jim Martin
Cc:     67attendees@ietf.org
Subject:        Re: [67ATTENDEES] = IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00

Dear NOC team!

Congratulations!

The network has worked really great! I've had no problems, no
interruptions, and IPv6 was running smoothly too. Even in my hotel room = I
could use the IETF Wireless LAN network (access points in the pool = area).

Thanks to the whole NOC Team for the excellent connectivity we've
experienced during this meeting!

c.u. in Prague,
  Bernie

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Jim Martin wrote:

> Gentlepeople,
>       Consider this the traditional 10am = warning that the IETF network will
> go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping = schedule today,
> so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at 12. The hotel = wireless
> in the lobby of both buildings should be available again (for = registered
> guests) on or before noon to provide continuing connectivity for = folks.
>
>       Hope everyone had a good week, and = see you all in Prague!
>
>       - Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 67ATTENDEES mailing list
> 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org
> https://www1.= ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C704FC.213716DB-- --===============0819865361== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============0819865361==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 14:47:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GicLJ-0003L5-QN; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:47:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GicLI-0003L0-PM for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:47:12 -0500 Received: from keskus.netlab.hut.fi ([130.233.154.176] helo=smtp.netlab.hut.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GicLH-0003px-GS for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:47:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (keskus.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.176]) by smtp.netlab.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78714FEE2; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:47:07 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4554D739.6050001@netlab.hut.fi> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:47:05 -0800 From: Joerg Ott User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 References: <20061110183642.GE26222@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20061110183642.GE26222@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Thanks for providing a very good network for 67 :) Indeed. To add to this: A big "Thank you!" (particularly to the folks running the terminal room) for accommodating our small DTNRG interop event. Your support was really appreciated! Joerg _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 16:24:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GidpR-0003n1-F8; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:22:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GidpQ-0003mw-Gg for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from robin.verisign.com ([65.205.251.75]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GidpP-0004Ai-4g for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from MOU1WNEXCN02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer2.verisign.com [65.205.251.35]) by robin.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kAALM9gl012931; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:22:09 -0800 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.13.157]) by MOU1WNEXCN02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:22:09 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:22:08 -0800 Message-ID: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37E7E2DC@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Thread-Index: AccFAXB5sjry/+c4RvmMnDgA5FyMTQABhLgg From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "Joerg Ott" , "Tim Chown" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 21:22:09.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[4781ABF0:01C7050E] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org The IETF network was robust despite the fact that many of us were having = difficulty connecting in our hotel rooms. I was unable to get my WiFi = router to work at a space of 10ft despite never having a problem before. It appears that there was a heavy source of interference from somewhere. = It all works here. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joerg Ott [mailto:jo@netlab.tkk.fi]=20 > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:47 PM > To: Tim Chown > Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 >=20 > > Thanks for providing a very good network for 67 :) >=20 > Indeed. To add to this: >=20 > A big "Thank you!" (particularly to the folks running the terminal > room) for accommodating our small DTNRG interop event. Your=20 > support was really appreciated! >=20 > Joerg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 17:26:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gienu-0000cI-AQ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:24:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gient-0000cB-0J for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:24:53 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Giens-00013d-V1 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:24:52 -0500 Received: from 72-34-69-70.skyriver.net ([72.34.69.70] helo=localhost) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gienn-0002jE-8h for 67attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:24:52 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([130.129.32.128]) by localhost 0.5.5 with ESMTP id 0EC4455426870001 Fri Nov 10 14:13:11 2006 Message-ID: <4554FC24.2070606@ccns.pl> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:24:36 +0100 From: Krzysztof Rzecki User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 67attendees@ietf.org, ietf-67@cordelia.ccns.pl Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 References: <20061110183642.GE26222@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <4554D739.6050001@netlab.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: <4554D739.6050001@netlab.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dear All, from Cracow group, who operated terminal room and help desk, we would like to kindly thank all NOC guys for possibility to help you build up and maintain so big (so many users), but well working wireless network. It was very valuable experience to us. Thanks for all attendees for understanding against my group, if we made something wrong and I hope group of DTNRG had a nice place near to us. Special thanks for Max Riegel, who delivered us to San Diego and gave possibility to see so huge conference and cooperate with net experts. Best regards, -- pozdrawiam, Krzysztof Rzecki __________________________________________ Krzysztof Rzecki, CCNS Software Department CCNS SA, ul. Reymonta 27, PL 30-059 Kraków e-mail: krz@ccns.pl, mob.: +48 695 144 411 _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 11 00:32:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GilRd-0002X9-6Y; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GilRc-0002Wq-4x for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:20 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GilRa-0006Cj-S8 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:20 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 5485738; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:12 -0500 To: "Burger, Eric" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org I would like to second that. Even during plenary, I had no troubles. Regards Marshall On Nov 10, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Burger, Eric wrote: > This was by far the best wireless coverage and connectivity to the > Internet that I have had at an IETF in recent memory! Excellent > job!!! > > -- > Sent from my wireless device. Sorry if terse. Can't wait for > lemonade! What is lemonade? See lemonade> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Hoeneisen [mailto:bhoeneis@switch.ch] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time > To: Jim Martin > Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 > > Dear NOC team! > > Congratulations! > > The network has worked really great! I've had no problems, no > interruptions, and IPv6 was running smoothly too. Even in my hotel > room I > could use the IETF Wireless LAN network (access points in the pool > area). > > Thanks to the whole NOC Team for the excellent connectivity we've > experienced during this meeting! > > c.u. in Prague, > Bernie > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Jim Martin wrote: > > > Gentlepeople, > > Consider this the traditional 10am warning that the IETF > network will > > go down today at Noon. Alas, we've got a very tight shipping > schedule today, > > so we'll have to bring everything down immediately at 12. The > hotel wireless > > in the lobby of both buildings should be available again (for > registered > > guests) on or before noon to provide continuing connectivity for > folks. > > > > Hope everyone had a good week, and see you all in Prague! > > > > - Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 11 00:51:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gilkh-0005Qn-AM; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:50:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gilkg-0005QH-4b for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:50:02 -0500 Received: from machshav.com ([147.28.0.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gilkd-0000AQ-Sw for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:50:02 -0500 Received: by machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 512) id 4863FFB28D; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from berkshire.machshav.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by machshav.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AE7FB2C1; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by berkshire.machshav.com (Postfix, from userid 54047) id 7AA493C04BD; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:49:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:49:18 -0500 From: "Steven M. Bellovin" To: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Message-Id: <20061111004918.18ee4271.smb@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:12 -0500, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I would like to second that. Even during plenary, I had no troubles. > Indeed. I don't recall another week where I had literally zero trouble with the IETF net. In fact, during the plenary I tried a brief ttcp test and could manage 5M bps from Seattle to my laptop using 802.11a. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 11 08:08:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GisYA-0003pX-Pv; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GisY9-0003pR-P5 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:33 -0500 Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.80]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GisY8-0005BO-Hr for 67attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:33 -0500 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id kABD4EGQ001589; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.101.0.231] ([18.101.0.231]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as raeburn@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id kABD4CD3013167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:04:13 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Ken Raeburn Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:04:10 -0500 To: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Spam-Score: -5.599 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 11, 2006, at 00:30, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I would like to second that. Even during plenary, I had no troubles. I hate to say it, but on the 802.11b/g network, I did have some problems during the plenary sessions -- fell off the network once or twice. But when I switched off the built-in 802.11b/g card in my laptop and plugged in an 802.11a card, everything was fine.... Aside from the plenary, though, I had no problems at all, even while I was lounging out by the pool. Very nice. Ken _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 08:44:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjc4v-0004X3-Mh; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:42:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjc4u-0004VV-Jz for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:42:24 -0500 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjc4s-0004pz-Uh for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:42:24 -0500 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADDg1Fn027702 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:42:01 GMT Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADDfpb5008907 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:41:51 GMT Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id kADDfmZ7006061 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:41:48 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:41:48 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Message-ID: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 67d49a1d3ddeaf57dedb7996ef60389a X-Null-Tag: e819b892b264a43edf301082ce833e7c X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 08:04:10AM -0500, Ken Raeburn wrote: > On Nov 11, 2006, at 00:30, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >I would like to second that. Even during plenary, I had no troubles. > > I hate to say it, but on the 802.11b/g network, I did have some > problems during the plenary sessions -- fell off the network once or > twice. But when I switched off the built-in 802.11b/g card in my > laptop and plugged in an 802.11a card, everything was fine.... Aside > from the plenary, though, I had no problems at all, even while I was > lounging out by the pool. Very nice. I suspect this is one of the reasons why thinghs are getting better. By using 11a we get better quality for the 11a users and reduce contention for the 11b/g people (though I suspect most g's fall back to b?). Any charts of volumes of use? :) I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago; any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome. -- Tim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 10:54:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gje7v-00068q-Lo; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:53:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gje7u-00068j-Md for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:53:38 -0500 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gje7t-0005Nu-H6 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:53:38 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B921853B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id kADFrRlD003385; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:53:27 -0800 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:53:27 -0800 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >Any charts of volumes of use? :) Yes, I have an rrd file with data of "total b/g" and "total a" users over the week (actually one for 65 and one for 67). The server it's on is currently in shipment but maybe if you remind me next week I can dig up a graph or two... >I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago; >any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome. Got a pointer? I don't remember this and would be interested to see. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 10:59:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjeDk-0000ij-P3; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjeDj-0000bV-Sx for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:39 -0500 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjeDe-00061N-DF for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:39 -0500 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADFxIWG014867 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:59:18 GMT Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADFx4Cb032184 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:59:04 GMT Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id kADFx1jT010452 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:59:01 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:59:01 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Message-ID: <20061113155900.GD5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 192d1f3c1e115e4a9e8bd463cd3e75b7 X-Null-Tag: e524d3fc8d4ad936b1ea0035aa44eaf9 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:53:27AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: > > >Any charts of volumes of use? :) > > Yes, I have an rrd file with data of "total b/g" and "total a" > users over the week (actually one for 65 and one for 67). The > server it's on is currently in shipment but maybe if you remind > me next week I can dig up a graph or two... > > >I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago; > >any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome. > > Got a pointer? I don't remember this and would be interested > to see. I may have a PDF somewhere, but my paper copy is: "IEEE 802.11 in the Large: Observations at an IETF Meeting" Andrea G. Forte, Sangho Shin, Henning Schulzrinne It's actually IETF65 data, thought it was older. They focus on one room, and had some interesting views on unecessary handoffs and overheads on those, amongst other things. No mention of canoes ;) -- Tim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 12:31:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjfdg-0002Te-Uh; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:32 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjfdf-0002S4-7H for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:31 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjfdc-0002IN-KD for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:31 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so991704ugd for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O6z+/FOU4LSaOI0s/Ug7dqYjKmaJK84B2jjGNKS41+O8VPwebQpkkHLIXsLhDrluTO9kB/0CrompdBgQnI4j93qgdSgYxOsDnVRSFgBDNIwKQqbfQnfpX6ry6XSBY7sZK4wReBvkG1tZJLpuJ/oj8kAuXBbgoFLC8Q8lKV/4Kps= Received: by 10.67.22.14 with SMTP id z14mr8439632ugi.1163439026855; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.106.6 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88ac5c710611130930i1825ae73qf7e0daab6101aedb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:26 -0500 From: "Richard Barnes" To: "Tim Chown" Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: <20061113155900.GD5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> <20061113155900.GD5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2004892916==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============2004892916== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24828_24061726.1163439026681" ------=_Part_24828_24061726.1163439026681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Google turned it up at the following: --Richard On 11/13/06, Tim Chown wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:53:27AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: > > > > >Any charts of volumes of use? :) > > > > Yes, I have an rrd file with data of "total b/g" and "total a" > > users over the week (actually one for 65 and one for 67). The > > server it's on is currently in shipment but maybe if you remind > > me next week I can dig up a graph or two... > > > > >I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago; > > >any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome. > > > > Got a pointer? I don't remember this and would be interested > > to see. > > I may have a PDF somewhere, but my paper copy is: > > "IEEE 802.11 in the Large: Observations at an IETF Meeting" > Andrea G. Forte, Sangho Shin, Henning Schulzrinne > > It's actually IETF65 data, thought it was older. They focus on one > room, and had some interesting views on unecessary handoffs and overheads > on those, amongst other things. No mention of canoes ;) > > -- > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > 67ATTENDEES mailing list > 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees > ------=_Part_24828_24061726.1163439026681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Google turned it up at the following:
<http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~andreaf/downloads/ietf_measures.pdf>

--Richard



On 11/13/06, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:53:27AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote:
>
> >Any charts of volumes of use? :)
>
> Yes, I have an rrd file with data of "total b/g" and "total a"
> users over the week (actually one for 65 and one for 67).  The
> server it's on is currently in shipment but maybe if you remind
> me next week I can dig up a graph or two...
>
> >I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago;
> >any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome.
>
> Got a pointer?  I don't remember this and would be interested
> to see.

I may have a PDF somewhere, but my paper copy is:

"IEEE 802.11 in the Large: Observations at an IETF Meeting"
Andrea G. Forte, Sangho Shin, Henning Schulzrinne

It's actually IETF65 data, thought it was older.  They focus on one
room, and had some interesting views on unecessary handoffs and overheads
on those, amongst other things.   No mention of canoes ;)

--
Tim



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------=_Part_24828_24061726.1163439026681-- --===============2004892916== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============2004892916==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 17:16:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjk4s-0006uX-5o; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjk4q-0006uO-Ij for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:52 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjk4o-00011J-7M for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:52 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kADMEZI1027796; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:14:35 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADMEXKL011666; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:14:34 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:32 -0500 From: "Peter Lovell" To: "Tim Chown" , <67attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re(2): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:30 -0500 Message-Id: <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5 build 4456 English (intel) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 22:14:32.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[18480360:01C70771] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org >On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 08:04:10AM -0500, Ken Raeburn wrote: >> On Nov 11, 2006, at 00:30, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >I would like to second that. Even during plenary, I had no troubles. >> >> I hate to say it, but on the 802.11b/g network, I did have some >> problems during the plenary sessions -- fell off the network once or >> twice. But when I switched off the built-in 802.11b/g card in my >> laptop and plugged in an 802.11a card, everything was fine.... Aside >> from the plenary, though, I had no problems at all, even while I was >> lounging out by the pool. Very nice. > >I suspect this is one of the reasons why thinghs are getting better. >By using 11a we get better quality for the 11a users and reduce contention >for the 11b/g people (though I suspect most g's fall back to b?). > I also had excellent results all week. This was with 802.11a, which is built-in on recent Macs. I'm not sure how far back it goes, perhaps all Intel-based MacBook/MacBook Pro's. Kudos to the network crew. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 18:11:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjkwq-0002CH-Sm; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:10:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjkwp-0002C8-E8 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:10:39 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8c:8515] (helo=uillean.fuaim.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjkwo-00082x-7O for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:10:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBC8B868; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uillean.fuaim.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 80243-01-15; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:117:128:209:5bff:fe8e:6dd3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331DAB845; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.197.161.77] (dhcp-77.daedelus.com [206.197.161.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by clairseach.fuaim.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kADN5Aq5004341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:05:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> From: Jim Martin Subject: Re: Re(2): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:10:12 -0800 To: "Peter Lovell" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1450660477==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1450660477== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-468618945 --Apple-Mail-11-468618945 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Peter Lovell wrote: > I also had excellent results all week. This was with 802.11a, which is > built-in on recent Macs. I'm not sure how far back it goes, perhaps > all > Intel-based MacBook/MacBook Pro's. Glad you had a good experience! Alas, this seems to have been a short-lived win. Indeed all the Core Duo MacBooks and MacBook Pros have an Atheros A/B/G card, but the OS doesn't support selecting A over B/G, unless you have A only (or B/G only) SSIDs. This is why we had the ietf67a and ietf67b SSIDs for the specific technologies. Unfortunately, with the release of the new Core 2 Duo based units, Apple switched from A/B/G to B/G/pre-N. This makes sense, since that keeps all their technologies at 2.4G (one antenna), and fits with Steve's clearly stated belief that 802.11a isn't relevant. The bummer is that 802.11a is much more suited to high density, high demand/ performance "enterprise" networks like the IETF. > > Kudos to the network crew. Many thanks! - Jim --Apple-Mail-11-468618945 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 13, 2006, = at 2:14 PM, Peter Lovell wrote:

I also had excellent results = all week. This was with 802.11a, which is

built-in on recent Macs. I'm not sure = how far back it goes, perhaps all

Intel-based MacBook/MacBook Pro's.=A0

Glad you had a good = experience!

Alas, = this seems to have been a short-lived win. Indeed all the Core Duo = MacBooks and MacBook Pros have an Atheros A/B/G card, but the OS doesn't = support selecting A over B/G, unless you have A only (or B/G only) = SSIDs. This is why we had the ietf67a and ietf67b SSIDs for the specific = technologies.=A0

= Unfortunately, with the release of the new Core 2 Duo based = units, Apple switched from A/B/G to B/G/pre-N. This makes sense, since = that keeps all their technologies at 2.4G (one antenna), and fits with = Steve's clearly stated belief that 802.11a isn't relevant. The bummer is = that 802.11a is much more suited to high density, high = demand/performance "enterprise" networks like the = IETF.=A0=A0


Kudos to = the network crew.


Many = thanks!=A0

- = Jim


= --Apple-Mail-11-468618945-- --===============1450660477== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============1450660477==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 18:15:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjl13-0004UV-6A; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjl10-0004UM-Tf for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:58 -0500 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjl0y-0000CF-Jx for 67attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:58 -0500 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kADNEir3030768; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:45 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kADNEh4A016378; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:14:44 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:42 -0500 From: "Peter Lovell" To: "Jim Martin" Subject: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail version 5.5 build 4456 English (intel) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 23:14:43.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[8074BD40:01C70779] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org > >On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Peter Lovell wrote: > >> I also had excellent results all week. This was with 802.11a, which is >> built-in on recent Macs. I'm not sure how far back it goes, perhaps >> all >> Intel-based MacBook/MacBook Pro's. > > Glad you had a good experience! > > Alas, this seems to have been a short-lived win. Indeed all the Core >Duo MacBooks and MacBook Pros have an Atheros A/B/G card, but the OS >doesn't support selecting A over B/G, unless you have A only (or B/G >only) SSIDs. This is why we had the ietf67a and ietf67b SSIDs for the >specific technologies. > > Unfortunately, with the release of the new Core 2 Duo based units, >Apple switched from A/B/G to B/G/pre-N. This makes sense, since that >keeps all their technologies at 2.4G (one antenna), and fits with >Steve's clearly stated belief that 802.11a isn't relevant. The bummer >is that 802.11a is much more suited to high density, high demand/ >performance "enterprise" networks like the IETF. > >> >> Kudos to the network crew. > > Many thanks! > > - Jim > > That's exactly what I do have. And thanks to the excellent instructions I did select "a", as (this being new) I wouldn't have recognized the difference otherwise. Cheers.....Peter _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 07:20:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjxGN-0002Zt-DE; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:19:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjxGL-0002Zm-1C for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:19:37 -0500 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjxGF-0001jA-LK for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:19:37 -0500 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAECJQnC030685 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:19:26 GMT Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAECJEtV007902 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:19:14 GMT Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id kAECJBMq008943 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:19:11 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:19:11 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Message-ID: <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 9572541b4f0fdf8bd4b116694a9c5d42 X-Null-Tag: bcad0b3e89c97fdd4bea4375c8a1cfe5 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 06:14:41PM -0500, Peter Lovell wrote: > > > >On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Peter Lovell wrote: > > > > Alas, this seems to have been a short-lived win. Indeed all the Core > >Duo MacBooks and MacBook Pros have an Atheros A/B/G card, but the OS > >doesn't support selecting A over B/G, unless you have A only (or B/G > >only) SSIDs. This is why we had the ietf67a and ietf67b SSIDs for the > >specific technologies. > > > > Unfortunately, with the release of the new Core 2 Duo based units, > >Apple switched from A/B/G to B/G/pre-N. This makes sense, since that > >keeps all their technologies at 2.4G (one antenna), and fits with > >Steve's clearly stated belief that 802.11a isn't relevant. The bummer > >is that 802.11a is much more suited to high density, high demand/ > >performance "enterprise" networks like the IETF. > > That's exactly what I do have. And thanks to the excellent instructions > I did select "a", as (this being new) I wouldn't have recognized the > difference otherwise. I have an older Mac and a newer Thinkpad. The Thinkpad supports a/b/g, and while the interface for media selection is rather clunky, it does work very well. Is there any feeling for what IETF events will support in the future? I hope the 11a/b/g support continues, and you don't listen to Jobs :) -- Tim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 11:12:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0pS-0003A6-9K; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:08:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0pK-000304-ST for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:07:58 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0cd-000759-Pc for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:54:53 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2006 07:54:51 -0800 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAEFsovS018737; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:50 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAEFsoin006904; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:50 -0800 Received: from [10.10.10.102] ([10.21.152.251]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Baker Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:49 -0800 To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 15:54:50.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[379AF7B0:01C70805] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=324; t=1163519691; x=1164383691; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Re(4)=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20IETF=2067=20Network=20goes =20down=20at=2012=3A00 |Sender:=20; bh=dZnWM0opMZaHMZDYzqC/tMdVllmI0UWFWphjoFUft40=; b=i4685SHN7uWZn0Vr+iKDziOk5xhxUrukmiRXt8QGfr9cLCJxTNIlP/onW39cfHEzmbqs5eUd 4hKCQsamFR3SmBcs1ZPFlrkUqjMWtVa40tvFj/t5sqHdHPthlJB6MDjj; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 14, 2006, at 4:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Is there any feeling for what IETF events will support in the > future? I hope the 11a/b/g support continues, and you don't listen > to Jobs :) I would expect at least 11a/g support for the foreseeable future. 11g is a superset of 11b, so 11b continues to work. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 20:20:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk9Qp-0006KK-Hv; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:19:15 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk9Qo-0006KC-HB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:19:14 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk9Qn-0005WO-5e for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:19:14 -0500 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2006 02:19:13 +0100 Received: from hkg-core-1.cisco.com (hkg-core-1.cisco.com [64.104.123.94]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAF1JBtm023449; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:19:11 +0100 Received: from xbh-hkg-412.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-412.cisco.com [64.104.123.69]) by hkg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAF1J2HD019422; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:19:10 +0800 (CST) Received: from xfe-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com ([64.104.123.70]) by xbh-hkg-412.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:18:29 +0800 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([64.104.9.214]) by xfe-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:18:29 +0800 Received: from mstenber by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gk9Pz-0007oI-TQ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:18:23 +0900 From: Markus Stenberg To: Tim Chown Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Organization: cisco Systems, Inc. References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:18:23 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> (Tim Chown's message of "Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:19:11 +0000") Message-ID: <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 01:18:29.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5497BD0:01C70853] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1223; t=1163553552; x=1164417552; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mstenber@cisco.com; z=From:=20Markus=20Stenberg=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Re(4)=3A=20[67ATTENDEES]=20IETF=2067=20Network=20goes =20down=20at=2012=3A00 |Sender:=20; bh=gFAGJOFUjJ8K5gYhRWzlGla2c++FMM1a0ivSinEMXNM=; b=w5+/LAR5PHUkmVoU2IIYgLbo74v3nOD+lb6JXoPyDRoe/10550LQ/3m1iZrwhhms/gH5N9v9 JY8aycMe+MycU8Dy96AW/ns4ssc7BtpjShFGTNibYAzIEsYZMDyOCPtT; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=mstenber@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tim Chown writes: > I have an older Mac and a newer Thinkpad. The Thinkpad supports a/b/g, > and while the interface for media selection is rather clunky, it does > work very well. > > Is there any feeling for what IETF events will support in the future? > I hope the 11a/b/g support continues, and you don't listen to Jobs :) I'm hoping the 11a goes away, if it leads to more b/g coverage (unlikely, considering they're probably provided by the same access points, but I live in hope). Why is that? I have a Japanese 11a/b/g both in my Thinkpad and Panasonic laptops. Unfortunately, it seems that some moron's been in charge when the frequency sets for 11a were chosen (or I'm a moron), as I can't see the 11a networks in IETFs at all. I _suspect_ it is our good friend region-coding that is acting up - apparently both of my laptops subscribe to the ZZJ (Japan) frequency set according to the Intel driver in Linux, and unfortunately I can't change that while travelling. Wireless hardware for fixed operations? sigh.. And as a side note.. 67th IETF was the first one where I maintained network connectivity throughout the plenaries, good job! Cheers, -Markus _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 22:14:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBCm-0003Vf-Nj; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:12:52 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBCl-0003VZ-HA for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:12:51 -0500 Received: from mail.veriwave.com ([64.1.198.186] helo=cia.veriwave.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBCj-0007no-2C for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:12:51 -0500 Received: from TomD600 (67.110.80.10.ptr.us.xo.net [67.110.80.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cia.veriwave.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kAF3BimX014493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:11:49 -0800 Message-Id: <200611150311.kAF3BimX014493@cia.veriwave.com> From: "Tom Alexander" To: "'Markus Stenberg'" , "'Tim Chown'" Subject: RE: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:11:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccIVMIY0wjTjFoQSlevspNt4m2HKwAC0hjA In-Reply-To: <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org The legal set of 5 GHz channel frequencies assigned for 802.11 WLAN operations in Japan are completely disjoint from those in the USA. These frequency assignments are not under the control of the vendor, or even the IEEE, but are made by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications in Japan, and the Federal Communications Commission in the USA. As the 5 GHz band is not assigned to WLANs on a primary basis, but shared with other country-specific services such as satellite downlinks and microwave landing systems, it is not surprising that different countries have different regulations concerning this band. I think vendors are prohibited from allowing their customers to switch frequency sets at will - that is, a laptop sold in Japan is only allowed to see the Japanese frequency set. Otherwise, a consumer device could wind up causing serious interference to licensed services, even though inadvertent. Just one of the many interesting wireless pitfalls ... - Tom A. -----Original Message----- From: Markus Stenberg [mailto:mstenber@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:18 PM To: Tim Chown Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Tim Chown writes: > I have an older Mac and a newer Thinkpad. The Thinkpad supports a/b/g, > and while the interface for media selection is rather clunky, it does > work very well. > > Is there any feeling for what IETF events will support in the future? > I hope the 11a/b/g support continues, and you don't listen to Jobs :) I'm hoping the 11a goes away, if it leads to more b/g coverage (unlikely, considering they're probably provided by the same access points, but I live in hope). Why is that? I have a Japanese 11a/b/g both in my Thinkpad and Panasonic laptops. Unfortunately, it seems that some moron's been in charge when the frequency sets for 11a were chosen (or I'm a moron), as I can't see the 11a networks in IETFs at all. I _suspect_ it is our good friend region-coding that is acting up - apparently both of my laptops subscribe to the ZZJ (Japan) frequency set according to the Intel driver in Linux, and unfortunately I can't change that while travelling. Wireless hardware for fixed operations? sigh.. And as a side note.. 67th IETF was the first one where I maintained network connectivity throughout the plenaries, good job! Cheers, -Markus _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 22:32:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBUW-0002N1-Bt; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:31:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBUV-0002Mw-8G for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:31:11 -0500 Received: from yue.linux-ipv6.org ([203.178.140.15] helo=yue.st-paulia.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBUT-0002BC-NB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:31:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yue.st-paulia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33B333CC2; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:31:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:31:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <20061114.193102.59906064.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> To: tom@veriwave.com Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 From: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCNUhGIzFRTEAbKEI=?= In-Reply-To: <200611150311.kAF3BimX014493@cia.veriwave.com> References: <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> <200611150311.kAF3BimX014493@cia.veriwave.com> Organization: USAGI/WIDE Project X-URL: http://www.yoshifuji.org/%7Ehideaki/ X-Fingerprint: 9022 65EB 1ECF 3AD1 0BDF 80D8 4807 F894 E062 0EEA X-PGP-Key-URL: http://www.yoshifuji.org/%7Ehideaki/hideaki@yoshifuji.org.asc X-Face: "5$Al-.M>NJ%a'@hhZdQm:."qn~PA^gq4o*>iCFToq*bAi#4FRtx}enhuQKz7fNqQz\BYU] $~O_5m-9'}MIs`XGwIEscw;e5b>n"B_?j/AkL~i/MEaZBLP X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org In article <200611150311.kAF3BimX014493@cia.veriwave.com> (at Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:11:55 -0800), "Tom Alexander" says: > The legal set of 5 GHz channel frequencies assigned for 802.11 WLAN > operations in Japan are completely disjoint from those in the USA. These : They (J52 channels; 34, 38, 42 and 46) used to be. The reguration was changed in May 2005, and the new W52/W53 channels (36, 40, 44 and 48 / 52, 56, 60 and 64), which are basically compatible with 802.11a in US, are now available in Japan. Current products should support new channels. --yoshfuji _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 22:40:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBd3-0005WJ-At; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:40:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBd1-0005W0-FB for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:39:59 -0500 Received: from celtic-out.kyocera-wireless.com ([206.169.67.126] helo=celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkBcz-0003Se-3D for 67attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:39:59 -0500 Received: from TTHOME-XP.kyocera-wireless.com (pptp168.intra.kyocera-wireless.com [172.20.94.168]) by celtic.intra.kyocera-wireless.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id kAF3dgN0000708 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:39:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20061114213207.02032bd0@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com> X-Sender: tthome@gto.intra.kyocera-wireless.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:41:32 -0600 To: 67attendees@ietf.org From: Tim Thome Subject: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> References: <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1604182333==" Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1604182333== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_17671640==_.ALT" --=====================_17671640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:14 PM 11/13/2006, Peter Lovell wrote: >That's exactly what I do have. And thanks to the excellent instructions >I did select "a", as (this being new) I wouldn't have recognized the >difference otherwise. > >Cheers.....Peter I purchased an A/B/G card specifically for IETF, and I must assume that others purchased or spec'ed out cards based on the feedback from the group. IETF65 was my first IETF meeting, and one of the requirements was that 802.11a must be supported, so I went ahead and requisitioned through multiple layers of management to get support for my laptop. 802.11a/b/g is enough for the next few meetings... 802.11n is a ways out, and will be backwards compat with our systems... Tim (in Dallas for the IEEE 802P session this week, good news is that 16ng inputs did make it back to the IEEE working groups) -- Tim Thome Senior Staff Engineer Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp. San Diego, CA --=====================_17671640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:14 PM 11/13/2006, Peter Lovell wrote:
That's exactly what I do have. And thanks to the excellent instructions
I did select "a", as (this being new) I wouldn't have recognized the
difference otherwise.

Cheers.....Peter

I purchased an A/B/G card specifically for IETF, and I must assume that others purchased or spec'ed out cards based on the feedback from the group.

IETF65 was my first IETF meeting, and one of the requirements was that 802.11a must be supported, so I went ahead and requisitioned through multiple layers of management to get support for my laptop.

802.11a/b/g is enough for the next few meetings... 802.11n is a ways out, and will be backwards compat with our systems...

Tim

(in Dallas for the IEEE 802P session this week, good news is that 16ng inputs did make it back to the IEEE working groups)
--
Senior Staff Engineer
Kyocera Telecommunications Research Corp.
San Diego, CA
--=====================_17671640==_.ALT-- --===============1604182333== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees --===============1604182333==-- From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 07:22:46 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkJkr-000117-Qq; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:20:37 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkHS2-0003Dh-2U for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:53:02 -0500 Received: from central.switch.ch ([130.59.11.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkHRz-00045B-Oo for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:53:02 -0500 Received: from diotima.switch.ch ([130.59.4.87] helo=diotima) by central.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1GkHRk-0006Fe-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:52:44 +0100 From: Simon Leinen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17754.58219.549424.80270@switch.ch> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:52:43 +0100 To: Markus Stenberg Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under Emacs 21.3.3 X-Face: 1Nk*r=:$IBBb8|TyRB'2WSY6u:BzMO7N)#id#-4_}MsU5?vTI?dez|JiutW4sKBLjp.l7, F 7QOld^hORRtpCUj)!cP]gtK_SyK5FW(+o"!or:v^C^]OxX^3+IPd\z, @ttmwYVO7l`6OXXYR` X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:20:36 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Markus Stenberg writes: > I'm hoping the 11a goes away, if it leads to more b/g coverage > (unlikely, considering they're probably provided by the same access > points, but I live in hope). The problem is not so much that 11a and b/g are provided by the same access points. The problem is more that the ~2.4GHz spectrum available for 11b/g is very limited compared to the ~5GHz spectrum for 11a. This makes it much harder for to come up with a good channel allocation plan for b/g than for a. > Why is that? I have a Japanese 11a/b/g both in my Thinkpad and > Panasonic laptops. Unfortunately, it seems that some moron's been in > charge when the frequency sets for 11a were chosen (or I'm a moron), > as I can't see the 11a networks in IETFs at all. I _suspect_ it is > our good friend region-coding that is acting up - apparently both of > my laptops subscribe to the ZZJ (Japan) frequency set according to > the Intel driver in Linux, and unfortunately I can't change that > while travelling. Shouldn't that be possible, e.g. by flashing the card with different firmware when you change continents? And as someone else said, regulations in Japan seem to have changed anyway, so maybe you can upgrade firmware to the newer Japanese channel set, or the common subset of that and the other regions. -- Simon. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 08:08:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKUl-0003Tt-Eo; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:08:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKUk-0003Tm-0k for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:08:02 -0500 Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com ([209.73.179.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKUi-0000Or-Pw for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:08:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 30257 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2006 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USRUAMALISL.verizon.net) (agmalis@verizon.net@72.93.228.119 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2006 13:07:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5j83CE8VM1kN_WPe5NQYgrL5gLlybLnMu6rYsjU._VlgnPQHCFIAT0pn7xqwH3mimK0qH8SJ16SpfsU5PkFzRURvKIlglRVCkEElxphzrTqqV5VB4wdqpj4- X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:07:57 -0500 To: Simon Leinen From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: Re(4): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: <17754.58219.549424.80270@switch.ch> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> <20061113231441.1947189493@127.0.0.1> <20061114121911.GE8091@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <874pt11p9c.fsf@cisco.com> <17754.58219.549424.80270@switch.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Please keep 11a - it's been great for the last few meetings. And thanks for the two SSIDs - using the same SSID was a problem when we first starting using 11a. Thanks, Andy ---------- At 11/15/2006 10:52 +0100, Simon Leinen wrote: >Markus Stenberg writes: > > I'm hoping the 11a goes away, if it leads to more b/g coverage > > (unlikely, considering they're probably provided by the same access > > points, but I live in hope). > >The problem is not so much that 11a and b/g are provided by the same >access points. The problem is more that the ~2.4GHz spectrum >available for 11b/g is very limited compared to the ~5GHz spectrum for >11a. This makes it much harder for to come up with a good channel >allocation plan for b/g than for a. > > > Why is that? I have a Japanese 11a/b/g both in my Thinkpad and > > Panasonic laptops. Unfortunately, it seems that some moron's been in > > charge when the frequency sets for 11a were chosen (or I'm a moron), > > as I can't see the 11a networks in IETFs at all. I _suspect_ it is > > our good friend region-coding that is acting up - apparently both of > > my laptops subscribe to the ZZJ (Japan) frequency set according to > > the Intel driver in Linux, and unfortunately I can't change that > > while travelling. > >Shouldn't that be possible, e.g. by flashing the card with different >firmware when you change continents? And as someone else said, >regulations in Japan seem to have changed anyway, so maybe you can >upgrade firmware to the newer Japanese channel set, or the common >subset of that and the other regions. >-- >Simon. _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 11:28:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNaq-0007e2-E5; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:26:32 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNap-0007dt-Nn for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:26:31 -0500 Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkNak-0004Kj-Or for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:26:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.12] (unknown [67.122.65.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dow.street@linquest.com) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3678A44C18A; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90AC757B-C649-4A47-A74F-21F215AE009E@linquest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dow Street Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:26:15 -0800 To: "Blysz, Wieslaw" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF67 network X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wieslaw, I'm really not sure - I was thinking there may be a way to look through the logs and ID certain types of devices by NIC manufacturer, DHCP behavior, or something else. Is there a set of logs underlying the data presented in the NOC report? Alternatively, I suppose we could just run a basic poll and ask people. Please understand, this is just something I'm curious about after seeing (what appeared to be) a high number of Mac users - this is not any sort of "official request" or anything, but I bet others would be interested as well. R, Dow On Nov 14, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Blysz, Wieslaw wrote: > Hi, > > I might be able to check it. > > Do you have an idea how to get such data? > > regards, > > Wieslaw > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dow Street [mailto:dow.street@linquest.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:14 AM > To: Blysz, Wieslaw > Subject: IETF67 network > > Wieslaw, > > Thanks for the IETF67 NOC report. I was wondering if you had any > data we could use to extrapolate the number of users of various > operating systems? By the way, the network was very good (stable) > compared to some previous IETF meetings. > > Thanks, > Dow _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 12:16:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkOLy-000322-Ls; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:15:14 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkOLx-00031w-F3 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:15:13 -0500 Received: from dns.packetdesign.com ([65.192.41.10] helo=mailman.packetdesign.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkOLv-0002dy-Gv for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:15:13 -0500 Received: from packetdesign.com (main-fw-eth1.packetdesign.com [192.168.0.254]) by mailman.packetdesign.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAFHF4RL003476; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:15:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Casner To: Jim Martin Subject: Re: Re(2): [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 In-Reply-To: <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> Message-ID: <20061115091041.U3449@kao> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <20061113221430.453823151@127.0.0.1> <147DAF3B-F6F1-4044-93DA-3A294A93422D@daedelus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Jim Martin wrote: > Unfortunately, with the release of the new Core 2 Duo based units, > Apple switched from A/B/G to B/G/pre-N. This makes sense, since that keeps > all their technologies at 2.4G (one antenna), and fits with Steve's clearly > stated belief that 802.11a isn't relevant. The bummer is that 802.11a is much > more suited to high density, high demand/performance "enterprise" networks > like the IETF. Similarly, 802.11a cards are becoming harder to find. For example, Fry's doesn't carry any (at least online at frys.com). I bought a Netgear WAG511 (A/B/G) card from Amazon for this meeting, and it is the earlier-generation packaging (dark blue rather than silver). -- Steve _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 14:13:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQBB-0004AW-PQ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:12:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQBA-0004A2-HE for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:12:12 -0500 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQB8-0008GT-5f for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:12:12 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC066147A79; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id kAFJC75v029886; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:12:07 -0800 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200611151912.kAFJC75v029886@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Dow Street Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF67 network References: <90AC757B-C649-4A47-A74F-21F215AE009E@linquest.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:12:07 -0800 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 29dc808194f5fb921c09d0040806d6eb Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org The noc box just came back up (Thanks, Joel!) so I ran a quick database query for MAC addresses - unfortunately the vendor names are somewhat arbitrary (taken directly from IEEE's "oui.txt") so you get to add up the duplicate entries. Of course, there's no way to tell whether an "Intel Corporate" MAC address represents Windows, FreeBSD, Linux, BeOS or Plan 9... In theory these represent all the MAC addresses seen on the IETF67 network, except for any infrastructure devices. Bill company | num ------------------------------------------------------+----- Intel Corporate | 351 Apple Computer | 234 Intel Corporation | 202 Intel Corp | 115 Ambit Microsystems Corporation | 86 IBM Corporation | 65 Philips Components | 53 Hewlett Packard | 53 Nokia Danmark A/S | 48 GemTek Technology Co., Ltd. | 46 Hon Hai Precision Ind. Co., Ltd. | 42 Apple Computer, Inc. | 39 Apple Computer Inc. | 36 ASKEY COMPUTER CORP. | 33 Dell Inc | 29 Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd. | 27 Agere Systems | 26 Gemtek Technology Co., Ltd. | 25 Cisco Systems | 21 Wistron Neweb Corp. | 19 Wistron Corp. | 19 Sony Corporation | 17 High Tech Computer, Corp. | 17 USI | 16 SOLOMON EXTREME INTERNATIONAL LTD. | 16 Compaq Computer Corporation | 16 D-Link Corporation | 15 Toshiba | 15 Portable Systems, IBM Japan Co, Ltd | 14 Netgear Inc. | 14 Senao International Co., Ltd. | 12 FUJITSU LIMITED | 12 VIA TECHNOLOGIES, INC. | 11 Cisco | 11 Cisco Systems, Inc. | 11 ASUSTek COMPUTER INC. | 10 ALPS ELECTRIC Co., Ltd. | 10 Compaq (HP) | 10 DELL INC. | 10 Dell PCBA Test | 10 Dell Inc. | 10 LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES | 9 WW PCBA Test | 9 Sychip Inc. | 8 The Linksys Group, Inc. | 8 AMBIT MICROSYSTEMS CORP. | 8 Cisco-Linksys LLC | 8 Cisco-Linksys, LLC | 8 Cisco-Linksys | 7 FORTE NETWORKS | 7 PROXIM, INC. | 7 FOXCONN | 7 APPLE COMPUTER, INC. | 6 SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. | 6 G-PRO COMPUTER | 6 SONY CORPORATION LTD. | 5 Actiontec Electronics, Inc. | 5 Dell Computer Corp. | 5 VMware, Inc. | 5 Uniwill Computer Corp. | 5 FUJITSU, LTD | 5 3COM EUROPE LTD | 5 LG ELECTRONICS, INC. | 5 Quanta Computer Inc. | 4 ACER TECHNOLOGIES CORP. | 4 NETGEAR Inc | 4 Netgear, Inc. | 4 Compal Electronics,INC. | 4 Xircom | 4 Buffalo Inc. | 4 NEC CustomTechnica, Ltd. | 3 TOSHIBA CORPORATION | 3 UniData Communication Systems, Inc. | 3 Compal Communications, Inc. | 3 Enterasys Networks | 3 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB | 3 UTStarcom, Inc. | 3 Melco Inc. | 3 CABLETRON - YAGO SYSTEMS, INC. | 3 ZyXEL Communications Corporation | 3 Cisco Systems Inc. | 2 ASUSTEK COMPUTER INC. | 2 Newisys,Inc. | 2 Shenzhen Tp-Link Technology Co; Ltd. | 2 CISCO SYSTEMS, INC. | 2 MATSUSHITA ELECTRIC IND. CO | 2 3 Com Corporation | 2 XIRCOM | 2 Supermicro Computer, Inc. | 2 Dell ESG PCBA Test | 2 AmbiCom, Inc. | 2 Hewlett-Packard Company | 2 Belkin Corporation | 2 3COM CORPORATION | 2 BELKIN COMPONENTS | 2 3Com Europe Ltd | 2 Samsung Electro-Mechanics Co., Ltd. | 2 AboCom | 2 XEROX CORPORATION | 1 D-LINK SYSTEMS, INC. | 1 CAMEO COMMUNICATIONS, INC. | 1 Samsung Electronics CO., LTD | 1 ANI COMMUNICATIONS INC. | 1 Grandstream Networks, Inc. | 1 Nortel Networks | 1 EPIGRAM, INC. | 1 Micro-Star International | 1 BILLIONTON SYSTEMS, INC. | 1 CC&C Technologies, Inc. | 1 NEC Access Technica,Ltd | 1 SMC Networks, Inc. | 1 Nokia GmbH | 1 Wistron Corporation | 1 Fujitsu Siemens Computers | 1 HEWLETT-PACKARD CO. | 1 NEC CORPORATION | 1 DELTA NETWORKS, INC. | 1 Microsoft Corporation | 1 I-O DATA DEVICE, INC. | 1 GVC CORPORATION | 1 SHARP CORPORATION | 1 Clarion (M) Sdn Bhd | 1 Nintendo Co., Ltd. | 1 MITAC INTERNATIONAL CORP. | 1 Nokia Corporation | 1 EDIMAX TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD. | 1 edgeflow Canada Inc. | 1 MEGAHERTZ CORPORATION | 1 AboCom Systems, Inc. | 1 Vtech Innovation LP dba Advanced American Telephones | 1 SHURE INCORPORATED | 1 Global Sun Technology, Inc. | 1 Cisco Systems | 1 _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 22:06:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkXXK-0002Ai-Js; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:03:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkUOt-00064R-RP for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:42:39 -0500 Received: from ns.jck.com ([209.187.148.211] helo=bs.jck.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkUOs-0004lH-H1 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:42:39 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GkUOp-0007ib-5S; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:42:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:42:33 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Bill Fenner , Dow Street Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] Re: IETF67 network Message-ID: <4FD8C09EB98BDF148F191A8F@p3.JCK.COM> In-Reply-To: <200611151912.kAFJC75v029886@bright.research.att.com> References: <90AC757B-C649-4A47-A74F-21F215AE009E@linquest.com> <200611151912.kAFJC75v029886@bright.research.att.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:03:32 -0500 Cc: 67attendees@ietf.org X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Wednesday, 15 November, 2006 11:12 -0800 Bill Fenner wrote: > The noc box just came back up (Thanks, Joel!) so I ran a quick > database query for MAC addresses - unfortunately the vendor > names are somewhat arbitrary (taken directly from IEEE's > "oui.txt") so you get to add up the duplicate entries. Of > course, there's no way to tell whether an "Intel Corporate" > MAC address represents Windows, FreeBSD, Linux, BeOS or Plan > 9... Bill, I suspect it tells us even less than that. I've been told repeatedly that a huge percentage of the basic Wireless LAN chipsets (802.11 A, B/G, pre-N, mixtures thereof and even WiMax) come out of a very small number of companies, almost all of them headquarted in, or operating out of, the same country, and selling them on an OEM basis. Whether the MAC address in a given NIC reflects the assignment pool of the manufacturer-packager-vendor or that of the original manufacturer is presumably a matter of commercial negotiation; the decision may tell us more about marketing and branding than about chipset origins, much less the type of computer or operating system with which the chipset is being used. john _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees From 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 23 08:13:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnEMP-00040z-8q; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:11:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnEMO-00040u-7F for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:11:24 -0500 Received: from [2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e] (helo=owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnEMI-00078w-CC for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:11:24 -0500 Received: from goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kANDAuK4030626 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:10:56 GMT Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.162]) by goose.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kANDAgRU008508 for <67attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:10:42 GMT Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id kANDAdql029893 for 67attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:10:39 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:10:39 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: 67attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [67ATTENDEES] IETF 67 Network goes down at 12:00 Message-ID: <20061123131038.GO21101@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20061113134147.GF5131@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200611131553.kADFrRlD003385@bright.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Null-Tag: 902c6ad05b54584fea94ff802ef5f012 X-Null-Tag: 59e6295ba0fb8e09e3609c40039e23a8 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 X-BeenThere: 67attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 67 Attendess <67attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: 67attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:53:27AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: > > >Any charts of volumes of use? :) > > Yes, I have an rrd file with data of "total b/g" and "total a" > users over the week (actually one for 65 and one for 67). The > server it's on is currently in shipment but maybe if you remind > me next week I can dig up a graph or two... Hi Bill, if you do have the data available in any form, it would be interesting to see the comparison. > >I loved the analysis paper done for the network a couple of years ago; > >any more documentation/discussion like that is very welcome. > > Got a pointer? I don't remember this and would be interested > to see. > > Thanks, > Bill -- Tim _______________________________________________ 67ATTENDEES mailing list 67ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/67attendees