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Thanks! http://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/6lowpan/6lowpan-archive%40megatron.ietf.org From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 6 10:35:12 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB393A6FFB; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCqDUTts1WhR; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608013A6E70; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:07 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF153A6C74 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OmZY3Bgeuknv for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cypress.ugent.be (cypress.ugent.be [157.193.71.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355863A6E70 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorilla.ugent.be (HELO localhost) ([157.193.49.20]) by cypress.ugent.be with ESMTP; 06 Feb 2008 19:36:34 +0100 Received: from cypress.ugent.be ([157.193.71.48]) by localhost (gorilla.UGent.be [157.193.43.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04162-02-15; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail4.intec.ugent.be ([157.193.214.4]) by cypress.ugent.be with ESMTP; 06 Feb 2008 19:36:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAKCMqUedwdYE/2dsb2JhbACtRA Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail4.intec.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E125240B2BA; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail4.intec.ugent.be ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail4.intec.ugent.be [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLIA8-vvRUzK; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from webserver6.intec.ugent.be (webserver6.intec.ugent.be [157.193.214.11]) by mail4.intec.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A6340B2B9; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from 213.97.22.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pdemil) by webserver6.intec.ugent.be with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <2135.213.97.22.51.1202322993.squirrel@webserver6.intec.ugent.be> In-Reply-To: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:36:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Pieter De Mil" To: "Geoff Mulligan" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by UGent DICT Cc: 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hi All, > We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time > (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some > time)! Vacation is over! > hmm, actually I'm in Tenerife on vacation now :-) > Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon > or required by 6lowpan. > > Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last > IETF. > > There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC > primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted > that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. > > Let try to resolve this question. > Since 6lowpan is based on 802.15.4, why should we not use some of the 15.4 primitives? I think the association/disassociation primitives can be used for the commissioning and bootstrapping of the nodes. best regards, Pieter _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 6 10:52:11 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A33A707D; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cS7VvRCBSuSc; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654973A7086; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111D93A7046 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Mudv7yaTKW7 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs-smtp-3.Stanford.EDU (cs-smtp-3.Stanford.EDU [171.64.64.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E363A707D for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnab422a3b.stanford.edu ([171.66.42.59]) by cs-smtp-3.Stanford.EDU with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JMpOp-0007xK-5v; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:53:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: <2135.213.97.22.51.1202322993.squirrel@webserver6.intec.ugent.be> References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> <2135.213.97.22.51.1202322993.squirrel@webserver6.intec.ugent.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <041BBA3A-7396-4F12-8052-59FBF3E3EC2F@cs.stanford.edu> From: Philip Levis Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:53:35 -0800 To: Pieter De Mil X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Scan-Signature: 2c238adc2661b13b123d68c6db09dced Cc: 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Pieter De Mil wrote: >> >> There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the >> 15.4 MAC >> primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others >> insisted >> that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. >> >> Let try to resolve this question. >> > > Since 6lowpan is based on 802.15.4, why should we not use some of > the 15.4 > primitives? > I think the association/disassociation primitives can be used for the > commissioning and bootstrapping of the nodes. > Because, in practice, many vendors use the 15.4 frame format and mechanisms as a link layer, but do not use its MAC layer. So assuming the MAC tie us closer to the link layer than may be necessary or advisable, and preclude adoption by a broad range of users. Phil _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 04:00:34 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFC63A77C5; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hjhutuNr2LfM; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE933A7524; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553633A758F; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OJsTu9OfzfmV; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw-eur4.philips.com (gw-eur4.philips.com [161.85.125.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A283A6BCC; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpscan-eur8.philips.com (smtpscan-eur8.mail.philips.com [130.144.57.173]) by gw-eur4.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A900449709; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpscan-eur8.philips.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EF2783; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtprelay-eur2.philips.com (smtprelay-eur2.philips.com [130.144.57.171]) by smtpscan-eur8.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554FD3A0; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ehvrmh02.diamond.philips.com (ehvrmh02-srv.diamond.philips.com [130.139.27.125]) by smtprelay-eur2.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F9CA9; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:01:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <041BBA3A-7396-4F12-8052-59FBF3E3EC2F@cs.stanford.edu> To: Philip Levis X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.3 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Anthony Schoofs Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:07:55 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ehvrmh02/H/SERVER/PHILIPS(Release 6.5.6FP2HF30 | November 25, 2007) at 07/02/2008 13:07:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org, 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1664699240==" Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org --===============1664699240== Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=4EBBF97BDFA57C298f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF97BDFA57C29" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=4EBBF97BDFA57C298f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF97BDFA57C29 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable At the moment we do not use 802.15.4 primitives in our sensor network deployments because we mainly have star networks of a few nodes with kn= own addresses and no need for scanning/association/network formation.... We= are going for larger-scale networks. I wouldn't mind utilize 802.15.4 primitives for 6lowpan commissioning /= bootstrapping because 6lowpan is based on 802.15.4 and the present primitives can do a lot, the processes are already defined and very oft= en already implemented in the nodes. Anthony >> >> There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the >> 15.4 MAC >> primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others >> insisted >> that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. >> >> Let try to resolve this question. >> > > Since 6lowpan is based on 802.15.4, why should we not use some of > the 15.4 > primitives? > I think the association/disassociation primitives can be used for the= > commissioning and bootstrapping of the nodes. > Because, in practice, many vendors use the 15.4 frame format and mechanisms as a link layer, but do not use its MAC layer. So assuming the MAC tie us closer to the link layer than may be necessary or advisable, and preclude adoption by a broad range of users. Phil _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan= --0__=4EBBF97BDFA57C298f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF97BDFA57C29 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

At the moment we do not use 802.15.4 primitives in our sensor ne= twork deployments because we mainly have star networks of a few nodes w= ith known addresses and no need for scanning/association/network format= ion.... We are going for larger-scale networks.

I wouldn't mind utilize 802.15.4 primitives for 6lowpan commissioni= ng / bootstrapping because 6lowpan is based on 802.15.4 and the present= primitives can do a lot, the processes are already defined and very of= ten already implemented in the nodes.

Anthony

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the MAC tie us closer to the link layer than may be necessary or  =
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http:= //www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan= --0__=4EBBF97BDFA57C298f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF97BDFA57C29-- --===============1664699240== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan --===============1664699240==-- From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 04:13:27 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F473A776A; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QlzaWa1OhtHZ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932063A717D; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:26 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D69E3A717D for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9Bhk9St2aKO for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from jendns02.jennic.com (proxy.jennic.co.uk [213.143.5.74]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4ED3A6E3E for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from jenpc629.jennic.com ([10.99.96.224]) by jendns02.jennic.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN5eW-0003Mx-2L for 6lowpan@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:14:52 +0000 Message-ID: <47AAF62E.7080408@jennic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:14:38 +0000 From: Robert Cragie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 6lowpan@ietf.org References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> In-Reply-To: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Some of the primitives will have to be used simply from the point of view of coexistence. At the very least, any 6lowpan network does not want to be using the same PAN ID on the same channel as another 15.4-based network. This implies using the scanning primitives in 15.4 to locate other networks in the vicinity. Correspondingly, any 6lowpan coordinator should be a good neighbour and should therefore start properly with the ability to respond with beacons which clearly identify the associated PAN as a 6lowpan PAN. It also makes some sense to use the 15.4 association primitives to join the PAN through an appropriate neighbouring coordinator. It is possible not to use association but you will need alternative link establishment command frames to facilitate this. It is probably not necessary to use disassociation as the device is in-band at this point. Robert -- Robert Cragie, Design Engineer _______________________________________________________________ Jennic Ltd, Furnival Street, Sheffield, S1 4QT, UK http://www.jennic.com Tel: +44 (0) 114 281 2655 _______________________________________________________________ Geoff Mulligan wrote: > We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time > (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some > time)! Vacation is over! > > Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon > or required by 6lowpan. > > Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last > IETF. > > There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC > primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted > that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. > > Let try to resolve this question. > > [ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see > where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ] > > geoff > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > > _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 05:59:12 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FA63A7896; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=1] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J85ct-34I5yr; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82293A74A6; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A323A76B1 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yM2iwzXiPxXr for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nivis.com (mail.nivis.com [65.205.163.229]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E0A5F3A6EE9 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fragment Recovery Discussion Thread-Index: AchpkdGgG4gRv8FCTWOkS5EKKWaNEQ== From: "Robert Assimiti" To: <6lowpan@ietf.org> Subject: [6lowpan] Fragment Recovery Discussion X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1878366865==" Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1878366865== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C86991.D15A7570" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86991.D15A7570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello Pascal, =20 I have a few comments/questions regarding you fragment recovery proposal.=20 =20 In your recoverable fragment header: =20 Sequence number: At this point the consensus is that fragment sizes are fixed. This deems the sequence number redundant since you can easily extract the "sequence" number from the datagram offset, and needs not be sent over the wireless media. =20 Fields in re-coverable fragment header: I am wondering what the rationale is behind changing the order of the header fields: =20 RFC[4944] -> datagram size, datagram tag, datagram offset =20 Re-coverable fragment: datagram offset, datagram tag, SEQUENCE (see above, this is redundant), datagram size. =20 Any reasons for re-arranging the order of the fields? =20 Thank you.=20 =20 "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." - Andrew S. Tannenbaum=20 Robert Assimiti Executive Staff Engineer Office: [678]-202-6859 Mobile: [404]-578-0205 robert.assimiti@nivis.com This e-mail (including any attachments to it) is confidential, proprietar= y, legally privileged, subject to copyright and is sent for the personal = attention of the intended recipient only. 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Hello Pascal,

 

I have a few comments/questions regarding you fragment recovery proposal. <= o:p>

 

In your recoverable fragment header:

 

Sequence number: At this point the consensus is that fragment sizes are fixed. Thi= s deems the sequence number redundant since you can easily extract the "sequence" number from the datagram offset, and needs not be se= nt over the wireless media.

 

Fields in re-coverable fragment header: I am wondering what the rationale is beh= ind changing the order of the header fields:

 

RFC[4944] -> datagram size, datagram tag, datagram offset

 

Re-coverable fragment: datagram offset, datagram tag, SEQUENCE (see above, this is redundant), datagram size.

 

Any reasons for re-arranging the order of the fields?

 

Thank you.

 

"= The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from."= ; - Andrew S. Tannenbaum

Robert Assimiti

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This draft was discussed inside ISA100 prior to posting to IETF to get a local agreement prior to widening the discussion. ISA 100.11a members recognize that the work belongs to IETF, and are willing to help the work happen there. Thus Robert's posting on this list. Robert, please see inline > In your recoverable fragment header: > Sequence number: At this point the consensus is that fragment sizes are fixed.=20 > This deems the sequence number redundant since you can easily extract the "sequence"=20 > number from the datagram offset, and needs not be sent over the wireless media. =20 You are talking about an ISA decision to make the MTU size fixed on a per node basis. My understanding is though we can expect all fragments in a same datagram (but the last) to have a same size, RFC 4944 does not mandate it so I think that we can not base our algorithm on this expectation.=20 I could not figure a way to make the recovery FULLY backward compatible with the existing formats and operations; there are efforts to improve the draft in that direction and I hope we ultimately succeed. Christos already proposed acknowledging offsets (TCP-like) to keep the formats mostly unchanged from RFC 4944. But ths alone does not solve all the compatibility issues so the draft still uses the simpler approach of sequence counters.=20 > Fields in re-coverable fragment header: I am wondering what the rationale is behind changing the order of the header fields: > RFC[4944] -> datagram size, datagram tag, datagram offset > Re-coverable fragment: datagram offset, datagram tag, SEQUENCE (see above, this is redundant), datagram size. > Any reasons for re-arranging the order of the fields? Sequencinf the fragments needed a new field for an integer [0..31] of 5 bits. This aligns perfectly with datagram_size and saves from eating up 3 bits from the dispatch header. Considering that backward compatibility was not achieved anyway, I took the liberty to optimize alignments save on the dispatch header. 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ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3A83A79D6; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pcH9LsVScwae; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47CA3A7805; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:13:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0523A7638 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmrjHueXn9jl for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sf.archrock.com (mail.sf.archrock.com [64.147.171.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B33A7940 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sf.archrock.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C21A9229; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 07:28:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mail.sf.archrock.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sf.archrock.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voD-0JNbLscz; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 07:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.7.81] (69-12-164-132.sfo.archedrock.com [69.12.164.132]) by mail.sf.archrock.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33884A9220; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 07:28:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:13:54 -0800 From: Jonathan Hui User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geoff Mulligan References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> In-Reply-To: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> Cc: 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org I'm not convinced that this WG (or the IETF in general) is the appropriate place to specify MAC protocols. Requiring the use of specific MAC protocols is tantamount to specifying the protocol. W.r.t commissioning/bootstrapping, the way I see it is that the link-layer/MAC simply has a set of attributes, some of which 6LoWPAN utilizes (e.g. short-addrs, EUI-64, etc.). These attributes must be configured somehow, but the specific way they get set is out of scope of this WG. -- Jonathan Hui Geoff Mulligan wrote: > We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time > (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some > time)! Vacation is over! > > Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon > or required by 6lowpan. > > Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last > IETF. > > There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC > primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted > that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. > > Let try to resolve this question. > > [ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see > where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ] > > geoff > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 09:52:15 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10CB3A76B2; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=1] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x8IMzSV9mzxa; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1427F3A7906; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5513A7963 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sKNO8MzUoFCX for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.93]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350D93A76B2 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-32-46.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.32.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.2/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m17HrXf3009474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47AB4598.1070101@eecs.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:53:28 -0800 From: Kris Pister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Hui References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> In-Reply-To: <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> Cc: 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2101315537==" Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2101315537== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000907040009090708020407" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000907040009090708020407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clearly we should not be specifying MAC protocols here, and there is a lot of energy and flux around the 15.4 MAC (e.g. the 15.4E working group is chartered to update it to make it capable of time synchronization and channel hopping). We have talked in this group about developing an abstraction for the MAC layer which allows us to capture the tradeoffs between, e.g., throughput, latency, and duty cycle available in many of the non-IEEE MAC implementations that use the 15.4 PHY. Can we generate an explicit list of attributes as you suggest, including abstractions of some of these features that many/most of us use, but which are still not a part of the 15.4 MAC? ksjp Jonathan Hui wrote: > I'm not convinced that this WG (or the IETF in general) is the > appropriate place to specify MAC protocols. Requiring the use of > specific MAC protocols is tantamount to specifying the protocol. W.r.t > commissioning/bootstrapping, the way I see it is that the link-layer/MAC > simply has a set of attributes, some of which 6LoWPAN utilizes (e.g. > short-addrs, EUI-64, etc.). These attributes must be configured > somehow, but the specific way they get set is out of scope of this WG. > > -- > Jonathan Hui > > > Geoff Mulligan wrote: > >> We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time >> (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some >> time)! Vacation is over! >> >> Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon >> or required by 6lowpan. >> >> Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last >> IETF. >> >> There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC >> primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted >> that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. >> >> Let try to resolve this question. >> >> [ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see >> where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ] >> >> geoff >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 6lowpan mailing list >> 6lowpan@ietf.org >> http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan >> > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > --------------000907040009090708020407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clearly we should not be specifying MAC protocols here, and there is a lot of energy and flux around the 15.4 MAC (e.g. the 15.4E working group is chartered to update it to make it capable of time synchronization and channel hopping). 
We have talked in this group about developing an abstraction for the MAC layer which allows us to capture the tradeoffs between, e.g., throughput, latency, and duty cycle available in many of the non-IEEE MAC implementations that use the 15.4 PHY.
Can we generate an explicit list of attributes as you suggest, including abstractions of some of these features that many/most of us use, but which are still not a part of the 15.4 MAC?

ksjp

Jonathan Hui wrote: 
I'm not convinced that this WG (or the IETF in general) is the 
appropriate place to specify MAC protocols. Requiring the use of 
specific MAC protocols is tantamount to specifying the protocol. W.r.t 
commissioning/bootstrapping, the way I see it is that the link-layer/MAC 
simply has a set of attributes, some of which 6LoWPAN utilizes (e.g. 
short-addrs, EUI-64, etc.).  These attributes must be configured 
somehow, but the specific way they get set is out of scope of this WG.

--
Jonathan Hui


Geoff Mulligan wrote:
  
We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time
(actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some
time)!  Vacation is over!

Topic:  What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon
or required by 6lowpan.

Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last
IETF.  

There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC
primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping.  Others insisted
that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives.

Let try to resolve this question.

[ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see
where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ]

        geoff



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--------------000907040009090708020407-- --===============2101315537== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan --===============2101315537==-- From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 12:26:49 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6E33A7928; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5+AjsW1MKT+s; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8FC3A79C4; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D1C3A6A7F for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FyRKT7iAdcv3 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from auth-smtp.nebula.fi (auth-smtp.nebula.fi [217.30.180.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D233A7B59 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (oul119-35.netplaza.fi [80.75.105.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth-smtp.nebula.fi (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m17KS1lw003981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:28:02 +0200 Message-ID: <47AB69D0.3090308@sensinode.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:28:00 +0200 From: Zach Shelby User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 6lowpan@ietf.org References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> In-Reply-To: <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Nice to see Geoff woke up the list, and that someone is really on vacation (no jealousy ;-). I have to agree with Jonathan here. A set of attributes is the most appropriate in this case, and this makes it much easier to use 6lowpan over other link layers or minimal 802.15.4 implementations. For example I would definitely avoid explicit use of association/disassociation in beacon-enabled mode. Most deployments in our experience will use beaconless mode where those primitives are not available. ICMP can be used instead of MAC primitives for many purposes. I would prefer to leave the link-layer topology construction details to the implementation, some kind of network management entity separate from 6lowpan and IETF standardization. For example with WiFi + IP implementations, the IETF does not take a stand on whether or how you configure your interface (ad-hoc mode, infrastructure mode, ap mode) nor manage it. - Zach Jonathan Hui wrote: > I'm not convinced that this WG (or the IETF in general) is the > appropriate place to specify MAC protocols. Requiring the use of > specific MAC protocols is tantamount to specifying the protocol. W.r.t > commissioning/bootstrapping, the way I see it is that the link-layer/MAC > simply has a set of attributes, some of which 6LoWPAN utilizes (e.g. > short-addrs, EUI-64, etc.). These attributes must be configured > somehow, but the specific way they get set is out of scope of this WG. > > -- > Jonathan Hui > > > Geoff Mulligan wrote: >> We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time >> (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some >> time)! Vacation is over! >> >> Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon >> or required by 6lowpan. >> >> Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last >> IETF. >> >> There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC >> primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted >> that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. >> >> Let try to resolve this question. >> >> [ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see >> where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ] >> >> geoff >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 6lowpan mailing list >> 6lowpan@ietf.org >> http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan -- Zach Shelby | CTO | +358 40 7796297 Sensinode Ltd. www.sensinode.com _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 15 00:30:54 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA48628CE9B; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86wfMkRLi6hK; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F6828CA21; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C4D3A68AC for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cwfovvRz1mSA for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39D73A6958 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so401458fgg.41 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr2233963fga.71.1203064331831; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.2.7 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43b91d370802150032n3b905f30w2bf29b8671366854@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:11 -0800 From: "Samita Chakrabarti" To: "Zach Shelby" , "Geoff Mulligan" In-Reply-To: <47AB69D0.3090308@sensinode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1202228801.5527.3.camel@dellx1> <47AB2E42.7000506@archrock.com> <47AB69D0.3090308@sensinode.com> Cc: 6lowpan@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lowpan] Issue of the week X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hello Geoff, Zach and all in this thread of discussion: From the discussion, it seems we want some sort of L2 indication from 802.15.4 for bootstrapping and comissioning, but IETF is not quite capable of defining those primitives. I do agree that L2 primitives would be the easiest way to act for commissioning in number of cases. I think 6lowpan wg can do the following within the scope of IETF: 1. Identify the cases when L2 primitive is useful for commissioning 2. Provide a set of API which deals with L2 primitives or any other L2 specific methods to provide the necessary information to complete the commissioning part. Note that then we do not have to define the L2 primitives and it can be left with the implementation. Comments? Thanks, -Samita On 2/7/08, Zach Shelby wrote: > Hi, > > Nice to see Geoff woke up the list, and that someone is really on > vacation (no jealousy ;-). > > I have to agree with Jonathan here. A set of attributes is the most > appropriate in this case, and this makes it much easier to use 6lowpan > over other link layers or minimal 802.15.4 implementations. For example > I would definitely avoid explicit use of association/disassociation in > beacon-enabled mode. Most deployments in our experience will use > beaconless mode where those primitives are not available. ICMP can be > used instead of MAC primitives for many purposes. I would prefer to > leave the link-layer topology construction details to the > implementation, some kind of network management entity separate from > 6lowpan and IETF standardization. For example with WiFi + IP > implementations, the IETF does not take a stand on whether or how you > configure your interface (ad-hoc mode, infrastructure mode, ap mode) nor > manage it. > > - Zach > > Jonathan Hui wrote: > > I'm not convinced that this WG (or the IETF in general) is the > > appropriate place to specify MAC protocols. Requiring the use of > > specific MAC protocols is tantamount to specifying the protocol. W.r.t > > commissioning/bootstrapping, the way I see it is that the link-layer/MAC > > simply has a set of attributes, some of which 6LoWPAN utilizes (e.g. > > short-addrs, EUI-64, etc.). These attributes must be configured > > somehow, but the specific way they get set is out of scope of this WG. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Hui > > > > > > Geoff Mulligan wrote: > >> We have not had any lively discussion on this list for quite some time > >> (actually we have not had ANY discussion on this list for quite some > >> time)! Vacation is over! > >> > >> Topic: What 15.4 MAC functions / features should be used or relied upon > >> or required by 6lowpan. > >> > >> Carsten reminded me that this was a topic of discussion at the last > >> IETF. > >> > >> There were some suggestions that we should utilize some of the 15.4 MAC > >> primitives for 6lowpan commissioning / bootstrapping. Others insisted > >> that we not require any of the 15.4 primitives. > >> > >> Let try to resolve this question. > >> > >> [ Carsten and I are reviewing the discussion on the charter text to see > >> where we are and if the text should be changed - next weeks topic!! ] > >> > >> geoff > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 6lowpan mailing list > >> 6lowpan@ietf.org > >> http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > > _______________________________________________ > > 6lowpan mailing list > > 6lowpan@ietf.org > > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > > > -- > Zach Shelby | CTO | +358 40 7796297 > Sensinode Ltd. www.sensinode.com > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 15 08:36:28 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D7028D260; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pZdHqTDCj0Kf; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EC428D28D; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5128D28D for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RyHhDdvMuI6U for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C905128D2AB for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2008 11:35:40 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m1FGZdEG029200 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:39 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m1FGZbSY021320 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:39 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:29 -0500 Received: from 161.44.71.157 ([161.44.71.157]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:27 -0500 From: JP Vasseur To: <6lowpan@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New Working Group: ROLL is now a Working Group Thread-Index: Achv78OgAnGex9vjEdyFgQANk8WjQAAAQF/M In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2008 16:35:29.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[C68D1CB0:01C86FF0] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Subject: [6lowpan] FW: New Working Group: ROLL is now a Working Group X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org FYI ------ Forwarded Message > From: JP Vasseur > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:28:15 -0500 > To: > Cc: David Ward , David Culler > Conversation: New Working Group: ROLL is now a Working Group > Subject: New Working Group: ROLL is now a Working Group > > Dear all, > > Happy to share you the good news: the IESG has approved the formation of the > ROLL (Routing for Low power and Loosy networks) Working Group: > http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/roll-charter.html > > A special thank to Dave Ward for his help throughout the process. > > You can now move to roll@ietf.org that is now active. Feel free to subscribe > to roll@ietf.org and unsubscribe from rsn@ietf.org that we will remove by end > of March. > > Authors of current IDs, please resubmit using the new naming convention: > draft-name-rl2n-.... => draft-name-roll-...-00.txt > > February 18, Monday - Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) > submission by 17:00 ET (22:00 UTC/GMT), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. > > We requested a meeting slot during the next IETF, stay tuned. > > JP and David. > ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 02:34:23 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127F628C31C; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.818 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.818 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.381, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dVmICQnphgjt; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489ED28C2E5; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4E228C2CC for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GNZTEa2+6K26 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8F728C2E5 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2008 11:34:17 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m1IAYH3n004381 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:34:17 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m1IAYHp6020856 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:34:17 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-335.cisco.com ([144.254.231.80]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:34:17 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:34:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Charter final version? Thread-Index: AchyGdspbdFJ0mAfR72E3Uq7qLju5A== From: "Telemaco Melia (tmelia)" To: <6lowpan@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 10:34:17.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[D04AA1C0:01C87219] Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=tmelia@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: [6lowpan] Charter final version? X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0499935926==" Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0499935926== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C87219.D045DEA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C87219.D045DEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, =20 =20 I was checking the mail archive for the final version of the charter. Did you guys make any progress? Will the charter be available before next IETF meeting? Or do you plan to finalize it during the session? =20 Thanks =20 Telemaco ------_=_NextPart_001_01C87219.D045DEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 folks,
 
 
I was = checking the=20 mail archive for the final version of the charter.
Did = you guys make=20 any progress? Will the charter be available before next IETF=20 meeting?
Or do = you plan to=20 finalize it during the session?
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C87219.D045DEA0-- --===============0499935926== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan --===============0499935926==-- From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 21 11:04:17 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156DF3A6D0F; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.648 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.648 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id utCszYT5HrmW; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2720B28C8FE; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:16 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EB328C8FE for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzfvQmrJ6-yA for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from grab.coslabs.com (grab.coslabs.com [199.233.92.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606ED3A6D13 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1LJ3uMa005022 for <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:04:05 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:14 -0700 Message-Id: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Subject: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Just in case you missed it, the agenda for the next IETF has been (an may still be further) updated. Currently the 6lowpan WG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday Morning (9 to 1130). We need to set an agenda for this meeting - any input? Secondly the ROLL WG has been formed. They currently have a their meeting scheduled for Thursday morning (9 to 1130). If you have any thoughts about the agenda and topics for this meeting please let me know. geoff _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 21 17:39:01 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415153A6B94; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.360, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnIiBcmAynd8; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B61328C194; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5633A6896 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPGIaSEilay5 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975333A68B1 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so175690fgg.41 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hJcxXKiB+fCf6CPv04U8oW123qQ3LG88KHzcaTU4Cm4=; b=aR++qrh6GbYfG1DoNbmlEAaLNv+/weLvjrnku4PqYYwWwpAPZRqGPZ5216C10Oa0E4FdPFgZrU3TgPcrJaV8fDygG+suuNELcLh/wGKm3zdQls4l8lcehZGt6NrT9Kl1OTOLmLugVVeYO3wQJ31D/Mq/e1zz3/j+JlDv5xh5B+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AoNlXsAUPFLTBw7WxWdD6Tawm2pIeKk9vYz1Ya09IF89fpuzVOE9H5EemNY4Nk+7S+K3J9GxRJDA+01WuauUzr1424YUBqwLq2vs5LPuG8r+NgWdkCICcIR17dQ88mbfE39e6aRrL2vAiy6XPbBDdqXv/yYutUhvmapZ7gqsPCE= Received: by 10.86.86.12 with SMTP id j12mr10197544fgb.33.1203644332537; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.2.7 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43b91d370802211738m21cbf19au3321bf5a11da8ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:38:52 -0800 From: "Samita Chakrabarti" To: "Geoff Mulligan" In-Reply-To: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> Cc: 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hi Geof, > Currently the 6lowpan WG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday Morning (9 to > 1130). > > We need to set an agenda for this meeting - any input? Is the charter already finalised ? I looked at the work-items; some of them seem to be very generic. Do we want to solidify each bullet item a bit more so that the work-items are focused? For example, what do we mean by "Addressing scheme and address management" ? We do have some guidelines already in the main format doc on the address scheme. But we want to develop some protocol for address management. "Security - including set-up and maintenance" could be a broad topic; but I thought 6lowpan would only be doing limited amount of work in this group. For ND and bootstrapping, there has been some discussion in the mailing list. It might be a good idea to allocate some time on this item to have more discussion and hopefully a decision on which way to go. Also - Architecture work in 6lowpan is missing in the charter. Sorry, for the delay in my response in the charter discussion. Regards, -Samita > > Secondly the ROLL WG has been formed. They currently have a their > meeting scheduled for Thursday morning (9 to 1130). > > If you have any thoughts about the agenda and topics for this meeting > please let me know. > > geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan > _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 21 17:55:10 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149F3A6C27; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hr3be4KwTRWg; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27303A6C6F; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3817E3A6C6F for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cp+gGbSBGwp1 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBF73A697E for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so227408wxc.31 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dbqorpTVfQDK+bDD5G5wLgHD+1SOCP88swww8Ac/7v8=; b=t4h3v4urzI+yBltLcq/clfARpt2cD5FjXFl2eOX7G8fxtbPnKSP1Ea5gsJAK2Ql9eGek8C6qcix7AhVH3BqAX7FW8Z85jnPgu8uJfzsyQyvawWZbg2PAhsEcIGS7nhXbZ8PRaXcamfwPpXlg5YrLWSlMyqBhqmP5KK9G5aAJsjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NkflJ0jTbB3cAY5i5a1IeZYYgR0eg3maKHgh+o+LYCb3WNt3YSm04sYCp2u/jmgBJhm4vHrHSMkCZCXvLpWXtS7iOs5bvmU9BQVqSaMY/ZllOuCfel4LwCJrqZLe0e0dzE/f4dev0Vh8nX5LtnxqhQ7tlAG2xSFxXLI65A9Dknk= Received: by 10.100.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr21596053anc.55.1203645304105; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.215.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:55:04 +0900 From: "Daniel Park" To: "Geoff Mulligan" In-Reply-To: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> Cc: 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > We need to set an agenda for this meeting - any input? The updated draft of security anslysis (03 version) has been submitted to IETF, so it can be included into a meeting agenda. Daniel Park _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 21 18:33:13 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52FC3A6C07; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.540, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KqfQXVGb+q22; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6725C3A6C1C; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F043A6AEC for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lNEzGjYbKeTi for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6355D28C191 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so635910wri.25 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:32:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aTkcIcNV0Mv3PcXNGdiWc9JsQvtkGogzNKGXcWsce9g=; b=kAxpSYK5JzWcwK96rF8+93eSZCJA3pKFsrWLpPXlVR5MliNjS/+L31VBUupCDpmMktNnGY4QcE4AhQ/rg9rJg75rmHiyJ24GWI/cBzzDCaKQb6xDQmikU5H/5bVeHttr72nYie6KcRdQgmNyDvGPnP28v4pPNgGm9iiI4cLXueQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=anOehlbXyLwv9UbEy2PuI+U9L8JOMruiXXEH0G816QowrRVbCe7njuwHz+iRZDCBHfyL/3bYmi9jRDC1wX7AZN/RM6Ttt3ABj19xeHV31Gt0KFL8EF4/5xaOzepol9oZaFagvA+hRboWm/DzZMF6jfgRLQmBUzzdoSePlbY3EY8= Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr5367984wak.132.1203647530647; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.108.10 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:32:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <77f1dba80802211832p50f22966n79638b63045a33cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:32:10 +0900 From: "Eunsook \"Eunah\" Kim" To: "Geoff Mulligan" In-Reply-To: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> Cc: 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Geoff, > Currently the 6lowpan WG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday Morning (9 to > 1130). > > We need to set an agenda for this meeting - any input? > Routing Requirement(-04) and Application space(-02) draft will be submitted. We can discuss the update and get more input to progress the work in the meeting. BTW, is there any news on rechartering? Thanks, -eunah _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 22 13:37:53 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14E628C410; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.888, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZDuN7SZuxXbW; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA03B3A6851; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6lowpan@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18A13A6D27 for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dxXriujGjMbQ for <6lowpan@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C2D28C402 for <6lowpan@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2008 16:37:25 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m1MLbOYm018430; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:37:24 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m1MLbAJZ018568; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:37:24 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:37:15 -0500 Received: from 161.44.71.157 ([161.44.71.157]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:37:15 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:37:14 -0500 From: JP Vasseur To: Geoff Mulligan , 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) Thread-Index: Ach1mxafVWMiaOGOEdyjPQANk8WjQA== In-Reply-To: <1203620714.25975.207.camel@dellx1> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2008 21:37:15.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[179FABE0:01C8759B] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=942; t=1203716244; x=1204580244; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[6lowpan]=206lowpan=20WG=20meeting=20(a nd=20Roll=20WG) |Sender:=20 |To:=20Geoff=20Mulligan=20,=206low pan=20<6lowpan@ietf.org>; bh=YqtJu97UVyoTs4yDdT7Y20otzxzU5DyrS3RZ74OM2K8=; b=qIwlbGdVtsjzn42wA3cyp1WJPk8UNEy9LTwS7vOzmSKtrT1xjFaNaUANv3 Uqe/IS7hdt/cYFrP88pvzKP8bBXIgOAQtyuPxGfis41YYFbR/AqcXIcWlxGp hcd+3cSyMN; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) X-BeenThere: 6lowpan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working group discussion for IPv6 over LowPan networks <6lowpan.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Hi Geoff, I'll be happy to provide a quick update on ROLL. 5mn should be enough. Cheers, JP. > From: Geoff Mulligan > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:14 -0700 > To: 6lowpan <6lowpan@ietf.org> > Subject: [6lowpan] 6lowpan WG meeting (and Roll WG) > > Just in case you missed it, the agenda for the next IETF has been (an > may still be further) updated. > > Currently the 6lowpan WG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday Morning (9 to > 1130). > > We need to set an agenda for this meeting - any input? > > Secondly the ROLL WG has been formed. They currently have a their > meeting scheduled for Thursday morning (9 to 1130). > > If you have any thoughts about the agenda and topics for this meeting > please let me know. > > geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 18:05:04 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6393A6B62; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:05:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.216, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SEwEVVaJc8Pf; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Your comments are highly welcome... http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-02.txt Daniel Park _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan From 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 25 18:51:30 2008 Return-Path: <6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-6lowpan-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7621F3A6B72; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:51:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.746 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.746 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.309, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0c4RKjJI01dU; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org I also want to announce that 6LoWPAN Routing Requirements 04 is avalable at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dokaspar-6lowpan-routreq-04.txt and the 6LoWPAN Application space is at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ekim-6lowpan-scenarios-02.txt Routing Req draft has new skeleton for the requirements, and App draft got updated with more practical examples and their tech. features. Comments are welcome. :) -eunah _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan