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Pascal,
Please see inline.
Thomas

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

>  Hi :****
>
> ** **
>
> Please find a list I xrefed from the use cases we discussed at the call
> and over the ML; , what did I miss?****
>
> Please fire at will=85****
>
> ** **
>
> P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **wireless process control; low rate control loops****
>
> **=96      **Smart cities; WSN service provider****
>
> **=96      **Vehicular; control IHM ****
>
> **=95       **Optimized =3D> PCE****
>
> **=95       **Allocation may be handled by a tier****
>
> **=95       **6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if nee=
ded
>

*[TW]* and move existing *soft cells*. We don't expect colliding
reservations from the PCE, right?


> ****
>
> ** **
>
> P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks****
>
> < unsure which use cases?>****
>
> **=95       **=3D> RSVP or similar
>

*[TW]* Possible use cases:
- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)
- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting
applications)


> ****
>
> ** **
>
> P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)****
>
> **=95       ** From****
>
> **=96      **Industrial; non production phases****
>
> **=96      **Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring****
>
> **=96      **Commercial; asset tracking****
>
> **=96      **Home, Commercial; security****
>
> **=95       **Distributed =3D> RPL
>

*[TW]* Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?


> ****
>
> ** **
>
> P4: Mobility (best effort)****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **Industrial; mobile worker****
>
> **=96      **Commercial; asset tracking****
>
> **=95       **Distributed =3D> RPL****
>
> ** **
>
> P5: Dynamic slot allocation****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **Industrial; alerts****
>
> **=96      **Smart cities; Road/Street control****
>
> **=96      **Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking ****
>
> **=95       **6TUS must adapt to bursts****
>
> **=95       **Need to be faster than transport reaction
>

*[TW]* also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event
by a large group of nodes.


> ****
>
> ** **
>
> P6: Backbone****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **Industrial; large plant****
>
> **=95       **Renumbering is not an option****
>
> **=95       **One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone****
>
> **=95       **Need to mark the packet for Diffserv****
>
> ** **
>
> P7: Large/Deep Mesh****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **Smart cities; city lights monitoring****
>
> **=96      **Building automation;****
>
> **=95       **RPL / distributed****
>
> **=95       **Need different PHYs to get range
>

*[TW]* Can you detail the different PHYs?


> ****
>
> ** **
>
> P8: Coexistence with legacy****
>
> **=95       **From****
>
> **=96      **industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)****
>
> **=95       **Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already****
>
> **=95       **May be achieved by channel white/black list****
>
> **=95       **No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the
> granularity of the slot****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,****
>
> ** **
>
> Pascal****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pascal,<div>Please see inline.</div><div>Thomas<br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at =
10:00 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:pthubert@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi=A0:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please find a list I xrefed from the use cases we di=
scussed at the call and over the ML; , what did I miss?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please fire at will=85<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks<u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>wireless process control; low rate control loop=
s<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; WSN service pro=
vider</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Vehicular; control IHM </span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Allocation may be handled by a tier<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>6TUS must apply the required slots and move exi=
sting if needed</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style><b>[T=
W]</b> and move existing <u>soft cells</u>. We don&#39;t expect colliding r=
eservations from the PCE, right?</div>

<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"bl=
ue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0p=
t"><u></u><u></u></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P2: <span lang=3D"FR">Distributed Routing, soft trac=
ks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt; unsure which use cases?&gt;<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">=3D&gt; RSVP or similar</span=
></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style><b>[TW]</b> Possibl=
e use cases:</div><div style>- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)</div=
>

<div style>- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, =
lighting applications)</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">

<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P3=A0: Distributed Routing (best effort)<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>=A0<span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; non production ph=
ases</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial, Smart cities, hom=
e; monitoring</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Home, Commercial; security</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span=
></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style><b>[TW]</b> Pascal,=
 can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?</div><div>=A0</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P4: <span lang=3D"FR">Mobility (best effort)<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; mobile worker</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P5: <span lang=3D"FR">Dynamic slot allocation<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; alerts</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Road/Street con=
trol</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Smart Urban Par=
king </span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">6TUS must adapt to bursts</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need to be faster than transport reaction</p></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style><b>[TW]</b> also discussed=
 over the phone: synchronous detection of same event by a large group of no=
des.</div>

<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"bl=
ue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0p=
t"><u></u><u></u></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P6: Backbone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; large plant</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Renumbering is not an option<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone<u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need to mark the packet for Diffserv<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P7: Large/Deep Mesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; city lights mon=
itoring</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Building automation;</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">RPL / distributed</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need different PHYs to get range</p></div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div style><b>[TW]</b> Can you detail the diff=
erent PHYs?</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P8: <span lang=3D"FR">Coexistence with legacy<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>May be achieved by channel white/black list<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at =
the granularity of the slot<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888=
"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88=
8888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pascal<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
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Pascal,

I'd like to add the issue raised by Dominique a couple of days ago:
manageability of an "umbrella" network carrying flows from different
independent entities.

A use case could go as follows. The city of Smallworld has decided to
invest in "smart city" technology, and wants to install a pilot low-power
wireless network to cover a couple of blocks in the city center. The city
sees this as good PR, but does not really know what exact traffic this
network will need to carry. The city really wants the network to be up and
running as soon as possible, and decides to contact SmartCo.

Within a couple of weeks, SmartCo goes out and installs a few hundred relay
nodes on lighting poles and in trees throughout the city center. It
partners with a local air quality company, and installs 5 air quality
sensors, which feed a "live" display in the central square. Each air
quality sensor produces only one data packet per 10min, and so the network
sits idle most of the time.

SmartCo's business model is to run the network, and make revenue by
carrying other people's data. So it sends free development kits to
different companies and universities in the area. Soon, the local garbage
company builds a contraption to monitor the fill level of the garbage cans
in real time, and monitor the state of their new "solar compactor" bins.
Then, the lighting people want to install a node per lighting pole to
receive an alert when a street light fails. Then, the city wants to use the
network to switch the municipal sprinkler system on and off dependent on
the weather. Soon, a dozen flows transition over the initial network of
relays.

Luckily, SmartCo has been smart to install a 6tsch network in the first
place. This gives it a lot of advantages:
- through traffic differentiation, it can guarantee that the lighting data
never overwhelms the network and impacts sprinkler data.
- because of the slotted nature of communication, is knows exactly how
"busy" each node is, and can predict battery lifetime and schedule possible
replacements well ahead of time.
- because of the backbone topology adopted, the garbage company does not
need to change their addressing scheme when a can it moved by a couple of
blocks.
- SmartCo introduces a novel way of billing by showing the customer exactly
how many "mote-months" of battery carrying their data has cost the network,
and bills accordingly. It puts a "bill simulator" online, to let the
customer decide on the trade-off between latency and throughput that works
best for him.
- Before accepting a new customer, SmartCo is able to precisely predict the
impact on its network. Similarly, when a customer leaves (or pauses data
generation), the network adapts and makes this energy available to other
customers.

Thomas



On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne
<watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu>wrote:

> Pascal,
> Please see inline.
> Thomas
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
> pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi :****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Please find a list I xrefed from the use cases we discussed at the call
>> and over the ML; , what did I miss?****
>>
>> Please fire at will=85****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **wireless process control; low rate control loops****
>>
>> **=96      **Smart cities; WSN service provider****
>>
>> **=96      **Vehicular; control IHM ****
>>
>> **=95       **Optimized =3D> PCE****
>>
>> **=95       **Allocation may be handled by a tier****
>>
>> **=95       **6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if
>> needed
>>
>
> *[TW]* and move existing *soft cells*. We don't expect colliding
> reservations from the PCE, right?
>
>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks****
>>
>> < unsure which use cases?>****
>>
>> **=95       **=3D> RSVP or similar
>>
>
> *[TW]* Possible use cases:
> - dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)
> - large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting
> applications)
>
>
>>  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)****
>>
>> **=95       ** From****
>>
>> **=96      **Industrial; non production phases****
>>
>> **=96      **Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring****
>>
>> **=96      **Commercial; asset tracking****
>>
>> **=96      **Home, Commercial; security****
>>
>> **=95       **Distributed =3D> RPL
>>
>
> *[TW]* Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?
>
>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P4: Mobility (best effort)****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **Industrial; mobile worker****
>>
>> **=96      **Commercial; asset tracking****
>>
>> **=95       **Distributed =3D> RPL****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P5: Dynamic slot allocation****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **Industrial; alerts****
>>
>> **=96      **Smart cities; Road/Street control****
>>
>> **=96      **Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking ****
>>
>> **=95       **6TUS must adapt to bursts****
>>
>> **=95       **Need to be faster than transport reaction
>>
>
> *[TW]* also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event
> by a large group of nodes.
>
>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P6: Backbone****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **Industrial; large plant****
>>
>> **=95       **Renumbering is not an option****
>>
>> **=95       **One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone****
>>
>> **=95       **Need to mark the packet for Diffserv****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P7: Large/Deep Mesh****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **Smart cities; city lights monitoring****
>>
>> **=96      **Building automation;****
>>
>> **=95       **RPL / distributed****
>>
>> **=95       **Need different PHYs to get range
>>
>
> *[TW]* Can you detail the different PHYs?
>
>
>>  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> P8: Coexistence with legacy****
>>
>> **=95       **From****
>>
>> **=96      **industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)****
>>
>> **=95       **Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already****
>>
>> **=95       **May be achieved by channel white/black list****
>>
>> **=95       **No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the
>> granularity of the slot****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cheers,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Pascal****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pascal,<div><br></div><div style>I&#39;d like to add the i=
ssue raised by Dominique a couple of days ago: manageability of an &quot;um=
brella&quot; network carrying flows from different independent entities.</d=
iv>

<div style><br></div><div style>A use case could go as follows. The city of=
 Smallworld has decided to invest in &quot;smart city&quot; technology, and=
 wants to install a pilot low-power wireless network to cover a couple of b=
locks in the city center. The city sees this as good PR, but does not reall=
y know what exact traffic this network will need to carry. The city really =
wants the network to be up and running as soon as possible, and decides to =
contact SmartCo.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Within a couple of weeks, SmartCo goes out =
and installs a few hundred relay nodes on lighting poles and in trees throu=
ghout the city center. It partners with a local air quality company, and in=
stalls 5 air quality sensors, which feed a &quot;live&quot; display in the =
central square. Each air quality sensor produces only one data packet per 1=
0min, and so the network sits idle most of the time.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>SmartCo&#39;s business model is to run the =
network, and make revenue by carrying other people&#39;s data. So it sends =
free development kits to different companies and universities in the area. =
Soon, the local garbage company builds a contraption to monitor the fill le=
vel of the garbage cans in real time, and monitor the state of their new &q=
uot;solar compactor&quot; bins. Then, the lighting people want to install a=
 node per lighting pole to receive an alert when a street light fails. Then=
, the city wants to use the network to switch the municipal sprinkler syste=
m on and off dependent on the weather. Soon, a dozen flows transition over =
the initial network of relays.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Luckily, SmartCo has been smart to install =
a 6tsch network in the first place. This gives it a lot of advantages:</div=
><div style>- through traffic differentiation, it can guarantee that the li=
ghting data never overwhelms the network and impacts sprinkler data.</div>

<div style>- because of the slotted nature of communication, is knows exact=
ly how &quot;busy&quot; each node is, and can predict battery lifetime and =
schedule possible replacements well ahead of time.</div><div style>- becaus=
e of the backbone topology adopted, the garbage company does not need to ch=
ange their addressing scheme when a can it moved by a couple of blocks.</di=
v>

<div style>- SmartCo introduces a novel way of billing by showing the custo=
mer exactly how many &quot;mote-months&quot; of battery carrying their data=
 has cost the network, and bills accordingly. It puts a &quot;bill simulato=
r&quot; online, to let the customer decide on the trade-off between latency=
 and throughput that works best for him.</div>

<div style>- Before accepting a new customer, SmartCo is able to precisely =
predict the impact on its network. Similarly, when a customer leaves (or pa=
uses data generation), the network adapts and makes this energy available t=
o other customers.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Thomas</div><div style><br></div></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 20=
13 at 9:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:watt=
eyne@eecs.berkeley.edu" target=3D"_blank">watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pascal,<div>Please see inli=
ne.</div><div>Thomas<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">

<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthuber=
t) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi=A0:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please find a list I xrefed from the use cases we di=
scussed at the call and over the ML; , what did I miss?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please fire at will=85<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks<u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>wireless process control; low rate control loop=
s<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; WSN service pro=
vider</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Vehicular; control IHM </span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Allocation may be handled by a tier<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>6TUS must apply the required slots and move exi=
sting if needed</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><b>[T=
W]</b> and move existing <u>soft cells</u>. We don&#39;t expect colliding r=
eservations from the PCE, right?</div>

<div class=3D"im">
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"bl=
ue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0p=
t"><u></u><u></u></p>



<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P2: <span lang=3D"FR">Distributed Routing, soft trac=
ks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt; unsure which use cases?&gt;<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">=3D&gt; RSVP or similar</span=
></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><b>[TW]</b> Possibl=
e use cases:</div><div>- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)</div>
<div>- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighti=
ng applications)</div><div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P3=A0: Distributed Routing (best effort)<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>=A0<span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; non production ph=
ases</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial, Smart cities, hom=
e; monitoring</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Home, Commercial; security</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span=
></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><b>[TW]</b> Pascal,=
 can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?</div><div class=3D"im"><d=
iv>

=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P4: <span lang=3D"FR">Mobility (best effort)<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; mobile worker</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P5: <span lang=3D"FR">Dynamic slot allocation<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; alerts</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Road/Street con=
trol</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Smart Urban Par=
king </span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">6TUS must adapt to bursts</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need to be faster than transport reaction</p></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><b>[TW]</b> also discussed=
 over the phone: synchronous detection of same event by a large group of no=
des.</div>

<div class=3D"im">
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"bl=
ue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0p=
t"><u></u><u></u></p>



<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P6: Backbone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; large plant</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Renumbering is not an option<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone<u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need to mark the packet for Diffserv<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P7: Large/Deep Mesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; city lights mon=
itoring</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">Building automation;</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">RPL / distributed</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Need different PHYs to get range</p></div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><b>[TW]</b> Can you detail the diff=
erent PHYs?</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P8: <span lang=3D"FR">Coexistence with legacy<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=96<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>May be achieved by channel white/black list<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>=95<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at =
the granularity of the slot<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<span><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u><=
/font></span></p><span><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pascal<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</font></span></div>
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Hello Thomas:

Please see inline
P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks
*       From
-      wireless process control; low rate control loops
-      Smart cities; WSN service provider
-      Vehicular; control IHM
*       Optimized =3D> PCE
*       Allocation may be handled by a tier
*       6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed

[TW] and move existing soft cells. We don't expect colliding reservations f=
rom the PCE, right?

[Pascal] agreed


P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks
< unsure which use cases?>
*       =3D> RSVP or similar

[TW] Possible use cases:
- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)
- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting ap=
plications)

[Pascal] I'm a bit concerned on whether we really need a reservation or can=
 simply do QoS / best effort there.
A reservation is good when you have a repeatable pattern like a phone call =
or a control loop, that you want to prioritize.
Do you think the use cases above qualify? Do we have other use cases that w=
ould look more like that?
Going through this cross ref, it appeared to me that the need for determini=
stic behavior was tightly associated with the need for optimization and cen=
tral computation.
If that is mostly so, then the RSVP work can be lower priority for the grou=
p.

P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)
*        From
-      Industrial; non production phases
-      Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring
-      Commercial; asset tracking
-      Home, Commercial; security
*       Distributed =3D> RPL

[TW] Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?

[Pascal] P2 needs an additional reservation, ala RSVP, some Call Admission =
Control and Ingress shaping. This is treating a sensor stream as a voice ca=
ll over IP.
P3 is more classical data. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between nodes =
and some slot management to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.
With P3, the access to the transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and R=
ED.

P4: Mobility (best effort)
*       From
-      Industrial; mobile worker
-      Commercial; asset tracking
*       Distributed =3D> RPL

P5: Dynamic slot allocation
*       From
-      Industrial; alerts
-      Smart cities; Road/Street control
-      Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking
*       6TUS must adapt to bursts
*       Need to be faster than transport reaction

[TW] also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event by =
a large group of nodes.

[Pascal] Yes, that was in a very condensed fashion the aim of item 1, alert=
s.

P6: Backbone
*       From
-      Industrial; large plant
*       Renumbering is not an option
*       One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone
*       Need to mark the packet for Diffserv

P7: Large/Deep Mesh
*       From
-      Smart cities; city lights monitoring
-      Building automation;
*       RPL / distributed
*       Need different PHYs to get range

[TW] Can you detail the different PHYs?

[Pascal] That was an item at the call, I think that bands in the 8-900 MHz =
where discussed for farther reachability. The question I have with that is =
whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism across different P=
HYs.
This looks like a complex thing to do and a stretch goal at best. Certainly=
 there will be a loss in what can be expected, and usually the least capabl=
e will be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet backbone).

P8: Coexistence with legacy
*       From
-      industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART...)
*       Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already
*       May be achieved by channel white/black list
*       No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of t=
he slot

Cheers,

Pascal





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Please see inline</span><=
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<div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>wireless process control; low rate control loops<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; WSN service provider</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Vehicular; control IHM </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Allocation may be handled by a tier<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> and move existing <u>soft cells</u>. We =
don't expect colliding reservations from the PCE, right?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">agreed<b><i>
</i></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P2:
<span lang=3D"FR">Distributed Routing, soft tracks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&lt; unsure which use cases?&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
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lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">=3D&gt; RSVP or similar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Possible use cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- large network with no single control entity (smart=
 buildings, lighting applications)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]</span></i>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> I&#8217;m a bit concerned on whether we rea=
lly need
 a reservation or can simply do QoS / best effort there.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">A reservation is good whe=
n you have a repeatable pattern like a phone call or a control loop, that y=
ou want to prioritize.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Do you think the use case=
s above qualify? Do we have other use cases that would look more like that?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Going through this cross =
ref, it appeared to me that the need for deterministic behavior was tightly=
 associated with the need for optimization and central computation.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If that is mostly so, the=
n the RSVP work can be lower priority for the group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P3&nbsp;: Distributed Routing (best effort)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>&nbsp;<span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; non production phases</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Home, Commercial; security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Pascal, can you detail the difference be=
tween P2 and P3?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">P2 needs an additional reservatio=
n, ala RSVP, some Call Admission Control and Ingress shaping. This is treat=
ing a sensor stream as a voice call over IP.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">P3 is more classical data=
. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between nodes and some slot management =
to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">With P3, the access to th=
e transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and RED. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P4:
<span lang=3D"FR">Mobility (best effort)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; mobile worker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P5:
<span lang=3D"FR">Dynamic slot allocation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; alerts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Road/Street control</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking </span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">6TUS must adapt to bursts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need to be faster than transport reaction<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> also discussed over the phone: synchrono=
us detection of same event by a large group of nodes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yes, that was in a very condensed=
 fashion the aim of item 1, alerts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P6: Backbone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; large plant</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Renumbering is not an option</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need to mark the packet for Diffserv<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P7: Large/Deep Mesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; city lights monitoring</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Building automation;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">RPL / distributed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need different PHYs to get range<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Can you detail the different PHYs?<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]</span></i>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> That was an item at the call, I think that =
bands
 in the 8-900 MHz where discussed for farther reachability. The question I =
have with that is whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism =
across different PHYs.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This looks like a complex=
 thing to do and a stretch goal at best. Certainly there will be a loss in =
what can be expected, and usually the least capable will
 be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet backbone).<b><i> </i=
></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P8:
<span lang=3D"FR">Coexistence with legacy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART&#8230;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>May be achieved by channel white/black list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of th=
e slot<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">Pascal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Le 21/03/2013 16:52, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a Ã©crit :
[...]
> - vehicular automation. We can save copper for most of the man to
> machine interfaces, which translates in both lower price and lower
> gas consumption.

For vehicular aspects, one may be interested in looking at the ITS
effort at IETF.

Generally speaking, inside a vehicle there may be a need for a link
layer which is more reliable for more critical applications.

But still inside the vehicle, there are many many link technologies
deployed.  One may name CAN and also Ethernet.

For vehicle-to-vehicle communications many _other_ link layer
technologies are considered (different than what's inside).  E.g. there
is CAN inside and 802.11p outside.  Some characteristics of 802.11p make
it high-power (as opposed to low power of 802.15.4).

There is also the 'route automation' concept, which is like
Vehicle-to-Roadside communications, or maybe charging via special rails,
etc.

The concepts are very numerous in this space and may be treated separately.

At the same time, yes - MANET and RoLL WGs (and MANEMO BoF) came up with
aspects of routing protocols which may need to be considered together.

Yours,

Alex


> - commercial automation. As you suggest, we can do asset tracking
> operations on the move, report temperature of freezers.
>
> For health care, I'd agree but we have to be very cautious in what
> we claim. There is so much regulation around that we cannot commit
> that the technology is good enough to replace a wire which is
> sometimes imposed by law, actually.
>
> Basically, I'd say that 6TSCH can play many places where people
> expected zigbee but did not find it reliable enough.
>
> Pascal
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org
> [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wang Sent: jeudi 21
> mars 2013 15:52 To: Thomas Watteyne Cc: 6tsch@ietf.org Subject: Re:
> [6tsch] focussing on charter: use cases
>
> Pascal and Thomas,
>
> I agree it is very important to specify the use cases which 6tus
> will support. Here is some comments and suggestions.
>
> (1) Regarding to industry automation, I think it may be better to
> describe Process Automation and Factory Automation separately.
>
> (2) Other potential use cases: - Health care - Asset tracking and
> monitoring - Location based service
>
> Qin
>
>
>
>> Pascal, all,
>>
>> Absolutely agreed. I believe we have started exploring quite a bit,
>> enough to have a clear understanding of what we can achieve with
>> this technology as a WG. So let's spend some time on use cases and
>> building a good case to convince an AD.
>>
>> We could start by listing what TSCH is "good at", and what makes it
>> different from other solutions. I see the following: - reliability:
>> 5 9's of end-to-end reliability are commonplace. - low-power:
>> aggressive radio duty cycling of the mote's radio yields much
>> longer lifetime in battery-powered devices. - traffic engineering:
>> the clear identification of resources allows for flow independence
>> and QoS.
>>
>> Of course, from those points, industrial applications immediately
>> come to mind. Yet, we could take use cases from other areas. We
>> could for example take the ROLL requirement drafts as a skeleton
>> (I'm paraphrasing some of the points Xavi and Alfredo made).
>>
>> - industrial automation. A 6TSCH network can allow for high
>> reliability, and deterministic behavior. Link over-provisioning can
>> efficiently combat the unreliable nature of wireless and provide a
>> robust communication. - building automation. A 6TSCH network can
>> serve as an "umbrella" network for a large number of sensing points
>> in the building. These sensing points can be owned and operated by
>> different entities (e.g. HVAC and lighting). The 6TSCH network
>> allows for the different traffic flows to stay independent from one
>> another. - because of a 6TSCH node is deeply duty cycle, remote
>> sensing application (e.g. agricultural applications) can rely on
>> energy harvesting as power source. - A smart urban parking
>> application can benefit from the reliabilty of 6TSCH network since,
>> even though the vehicle detection sensor may be static, the
>> constant movement of cars around the sensing points can cause the
>> wireless environment to quickly change.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
>> pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear ML:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The activity that we generate on the mailing list is a good
>>> indication we will be very successful as a WG. First thing first,
>>> though, we need to create the WG and need to focus a little bit
>>> on the necessary steps to get there.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> We need to put together a rough charter, and convince an AD,
>>> probably Adrian from Routing Area or Ted from Internet Area,
>>> that we have real problems to solve and that we, as a group, can
>>> provide valuable answers. The ADs agendas are very full all the
>>> time, but certainly peaks around the meeting times. So we have
>>> about 2 week in front of us to prepare a solid case.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> So I suggest we step back a minute from the details of time
>>> frames and priorities and spend some energy on the use cases,
>>> the problems we are solving, and the work we have to do to get
>>> there. I notice a cool discussion on mobility and the particular
>>> case of a crane, well thatâ€™s a use case. We already had
>>> centralized deterministic (hard slot) routes for command and
>>> control, distributed deterministic (soft slots) and non
>>> deterministic QoS based flows. Do we have others cases?****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Cheers,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Pascal****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
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Le 21/03/2013 17:55, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit :
[...]
> - vehicular automation.
>
> * We can save copper for most of the man to machine interfaces, which
> translates in both lower price and lower gas consumption.

You mean _inside_ a vehicle, right?  Something like GUI on a tablet
assisting the driver, tap a button, send 'open window', wirelessly - right?

Alex

>
> - commercial automation.
>
> *  asset tracking operations on the move (again mobility, and
> dynamics).
>
> *  monitoring e.g. temperature of freezers, intrusion sensors, …
>
> Please bring your own thoughts so we can converge at the call : )
>
> As an appetizer, we can start with
>
> * summary overview Orlando meeting (10 minutes)
>
> o agendas two meetings o 4 drafts presented o TODO: 6tus, add ability
> for a PCE to set hard cells on one side only (text already changed) o
> TODO: typos o TODO: terminology
>
> Then the entrée (40 minutes)
>
> * charter use cases:
>
> o review the list above o validate the list of derived problems to be
> solved o focus on what TSCH is good at: reliability, low-power
> consumption, traffic engineering
>
> for dessert
>
> * open technical discussions
>
> o synchronization between BBRs
>
> + summarize and discuss proposal
>
> o slotframes, cells and priorities
>
> + summarize and discuss proposal
>
> o interaction between RPL and PCE
>
> + summarize current state of the discussion
>
> **
>
> Please let us know if you wish to add / amend stuff in the above : )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pascal
>
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Exactly : )

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Le 21/03/2013 17:55, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a =E9crit :
[...]
> - vehicular automation.
>
> * We can save copper for most of the man to machine interfaces, which=20
> translates in both lower price and lower gas consumption.

You mean _inside_ a vehicle, right?  Something like GUI on a tablet assisti=
ng the driver, tap a button, send 'open window', wirelessly - right?

Alex

>
> - commercial automation.
>
> *  asset tracking operations on the move (again mobility, and=20
> dynamics).
>
> *  monitoring e.g. temperature of freezers, intrusion sensors, .
>
> Please bring your own thoughts so we can converge at the call : )
>
> As an appetizer, we can start with
>
> * summary overview Orlando meeting (10 minutes)
>
> o agendas two meetings o 4 drafts presented o TODO: 6tus, add ability=20
> for a PCE to set hard cells on one side only (text already changed) o
> TODO: typos o TODO: terminology
>
> Then the entr=E9e (40 minutes)
>
> * charter use cases:
>
> o review the list above o validate the list of derived problems to be=20
> solved o focus on what TSCH is good at: reliability, low-power=20
> consumption, traffic engineering
>
> for dessert
>
> * open technical discussions
>
> o synchronization between BBRs
>
> + summarize and discuss proposal
>
> o slotframes, cells and priorities
>
> + summarize and discuss proposal
>
> o interaction between RPL and PCE
>
> + summarize current state of the discussion
>
> **
>
> Please let us know if you wish to add / amend stuff in the above : )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pascal
>
> PS, call info is as always:
>
>
> Topic: 6TSCH Weekly Date: Every Friday, from Friday, March 8, 2013 to=20
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Pascal,

Thanks for clearing things up, this makes perfect sense now.

I believe there is a lot of interest and usefulness for P2-type scheduling.
We have been focusing a lot of P1, especially with the previous work on
draft-phinney, but let's not classify P2 as "low priority". I believe P2
makes a lot of sense when in networks with low data rates (i.e. a sparse
schedule) in which case a distributed scheduling will yield lower overall
power consumption. I hope this makes sense.

I believe this list makes a lot of sense, and that we have the right people
and tools to address P1, P2 and P3 types of scheduling. We should be able
to close this list on the call on Friday.

Thomas

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

>  Hello Thomas:****
>
> ** **
>
> Please see inline****
>
> P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      wireless process control; low rate control loops****
>
> =96      Smart cities; WSN service provider****
>
> =96      Vehicular; control IHM ****
>
> =95       Optimized =3D> PCE****
>
> =95       Allocation may be handled by a tier****
>
> =95       6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed*=
***
>
> ** **
>
> *[TW]* and move existing *soft cells*. We don't expect colliding
> reservations from the PCE, right?****
>
> ** **
>
> *[Pascal] *agreed* *****
>
>  ****
>
>   ****
>
> P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks****
>
> < unsure which use cases?>****
>
> =95       =3D> RSVP or similar****
>
>  ** **
>
> *[TW]* Possible use cases:****
>
> - dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)****
>
> - large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting
> applications)****
>
>  ****
>
> *[Pascal]* I=92m a bit concerned on whether we really need a reservation =
or
> can simply do QoS / best effort there.****
>
> A reservation is good when you have a repeatable pattern like a phone cal=
l
> or a control loop, that you want to prioritize.****
>
> Do you think the use cases above qualify? Do we have other use cases that
> would look more like that? ****
>
> Going through this cross ref, it appeared to me that the need for
> deterministic behavior was tightly associated with the need for
> optimization and central computation.****
>
> If that is mostly so, then the RSVP work can be lower priority for the
> group.****
>
>   ****
>
> P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)****
>
> =95        From****
>
> =96      Industrial; non production phases****
>
> =96      Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring****
>
> =96      Commercial; asset tracking****
>
> =96      Home, Commercial; security****
>
> =95       Distributed =3D> RPL****
>
>  ** **
>
> *[TW]* Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?****
>
>  ****
>
> *[Pascal] *P2 needs an additional reservation, ala RSVP, some Call
> Admission Control and Ingress shaping. This is treating a sensor stream a=
s
> a voice call over IP. ****
>
> P3 is more classical data. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between node=
s
> and some slot management to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay=
.
> ****
>
> With P3, the access to the transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and
> RED.  ****
>
>   ****
>
> P4: Mobility (best effort)****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      Industrial; mobile worker****
>
> =96      Commercial; asset tracking****
>
> =95       Distributed =3D> RPL****
>
>  ****
>
> P5: Dynamic slot allocation****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      Industrial; alerts****
>
> =96      Smart cities; Road/Street control****
>
> =96      Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking ****
>
> =95       6TUS must adapt to bursts****
>
> =95       Need to be faster than transport reaction****
>
>  ** **
>
> *[TW]* also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event
> by a large group of nodes.****
>
>  ****
>
> *[Pascal] *Yes, that was in a very condensed fashion the aim of item 1,
> alerts.****
>
>   ****
>
> P6: Backbone****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      Industrial; large plant****
>
> =95       Renumbering is not an option****
>
> =95       One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone****
>
> =95       Need to mark the packet for Diffserv****
>
>  ****
>
> P7: Large/Deep Mesh****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      Smart cities; city lights monitoring****
>
> =96      Building automation;****
>
> =95       RPL / distributed****
>
> =95       Need different PHYs to get range****
>
>  ** **
>
> *[TW]* Can you detail the different PHYs?****
>
>  ****
>
> *[Pascal]* That was an item at the call, I think that bands in the 8-900
> MHz where discussed for farther reachability. The question I have with th=
at
> is whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism across
> different PHYs. ****
>
> This looks like a complex thing to do and a stretch goal at best.
> Certainly there will be a loss in what can be expected, and usually the
> least capable will be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet
> backbone).* *****
>
>   ****
>
> P8: Coexistence with legacy****
>
> =95       From****
>
> =96      industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)****
>
> =95       Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already****
>
> =95       May be achieved by channel white/black list****
>
> =95       No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity =
of
> the slot****
>
>  ****
>
> Cheers,****
>
>  ****
>
> Pascal****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pascal,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for clearing things up, =
this makes perfect sense now.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe there is a=
 lot of interest and usefulness for P2-type scheduling. We have been focusi=
ng a lot of P1, especially with the previous work on draft-phinney, but let=
&#39;s not classify P2 as &quot;low priority&quot;. I believe P2 makes a lo=
t of sense when in networks with low data rates (i.e. a sparse schedule) in=
 which case a distributed scheduling will yield lower overall power consump=
tion. I hope this makes sense.</div>

<div><br></div><div style>I believe this list makes a lot of sense, and tha=
t we have the right people and tools to address P1, P2 and P3 types of sche=
duling. We should be able to close this list on the call on Friday.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Thomas</div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Pascal Thub=
ert (pthubert) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" =
target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hello Thomas:<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please see inline</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><div class=3D"im">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks<u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>wireless process control; low rate control loops<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; WSN service provider</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Vehicular; control IHM </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>Allocation may be handled by a tier<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> and move existing <u>soft cells</u>. We =
don&#39;t expect colliding reservations from the PCE, right?<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">agreed<b><i>
</i></b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P2:
<span lang=3D"FR">Distributed Routing, soft tracks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt; unsure which use cases?&gt;<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">=3D&gt; RSVP or similar</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Possible use cases:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- large network with no single control entity (smart=
 buildings, lighting applications)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">[Pascal]</span></i>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> I=92m a bit concerned on whether we really =
need
 a reservation or can simply do QoS / best effort there.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">A reservation is good whe=
n you have a repeatable pattern like a phone call or a control loop, that y=
ou want to prioritize.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Do you think the use case=
s above qualify? Do we have other use cases that would look more like that?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Going through this cross =
ref, it appeared to me that the need for deterministic behavior was tightly=
 associated with the need for optimization and central computation.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If that is mostly so, the=
n the RSVP work can be lower priority for the group.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>


</div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P3=A0: Distributed Routing (best effort)<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>=A0<span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; non production phases</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Home, Commercial; security</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Pascal, can you detail the difference be=
tween P2 and P3?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">P2 needs an additional reservatio=
n, ala RSVP, some Call Admission Control and Ingress shaping. This is treat=
ing a sensor stream as a voice call over IP.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">P3 is more classical data=
. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between nodes and some slot management =
to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">With P3, the access to th=
e transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and RED. =A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>


</div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P4:
<span lang=3D"FR">Mobility (best effort)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; mobile worker</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P5:
<span lang=3D"FR">Dynamic slot allocation</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; alerts</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Road/Street control</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking </span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">6TUS must adapt to bursts</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>Need to be faster than transport reaction<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"im">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> also discussed over the phone: synchrono=
us detection of same event by a large group of nodes.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Yes, that was in a very condensed=
 fashion the aim of item 1, alerts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P6: Backbone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; large plant</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Renumbering is not an option</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>Need to mark the packet for Diffserv<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P7: Large/Deep Mesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; city lights monitoring</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Building automation;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">RPL / distributed</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>Need different PHYs to get range<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>[TW]</b> Can you detail the different PHYs?<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">[Pascal]</span></i>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> That was an item at the call, I think that =
bands
 in the 8-900 MHz where discussed for farther reachability. The question I =
have with that is whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism =
across different PHYs.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">This looks like a complex=
 thing to do and a stretch goal at best. Certainly there will be a loss in =
what can be expected, and usually the least capable will
 be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet backbone).<b><i> </i=
></b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">P8:
<span lang=3D"FR">Coexistence with legacy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=96</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART=85)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>May be achieved by channel white/black list<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=95</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of th=
e slot<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">Pascal<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#888888">=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
</div>
</div>
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Pascal,

It seems to me that the use cases identified were based on different sets o=
f criteria.

Some seem to be differentiated based on the entity that is responsible for =
slot allocation (PCE, distributed etc).
Some other seem to be based on scalability -> for example P7 large, deep me=
sh.

What was the underlying criteria for the definition of these use cases?
Thks

Robert Assimiti
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From: 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of T=
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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [6tsch] Problem Statement

Pascal,

Thanks for clearing things up, this makes perfect sense now.

I believe there is a lot of interest and usefulness for P2-type scheduling.=
 We have been focusing a lot of P1, especially with the previous work on dr=
aft-phinney, but let's not classify P2 as "low priority". I believe P2 make=
s a lot of sense when in networks with low data rates (i.e. a sparse schedu=
le) in which case a distributed scheduling will yield lower overall power c=
onsumption. I hope this makes sense.

I believe this list makes a lot of sense, and that we have the right people=
 and tools to address P1, P2 and P3 types of scheduling. We should be able =
to close this list on the call on Friday.

Thomas

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.c=
om<mailto:pthubert@cisco.com>> wrote:
Hello Thomas:

Please see inline
P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks
*       From
-      wireless process control; low rate control loops
-      Smart cities; WSN service provider
-      Vehicular; control IHM
*       Optimized =3D> PCE
*       Allocation may be handled by a tier
*       6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed

[TW] and move existing soft cells. We don't expect colliding reservations f=
rom the PCE, right?

[Pascal] agreed


P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks
< unsure which use cases?>
*       =3D> RSVP or similar

[TW] Possible use cases:
- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)
- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting ap=
plications)

[Pascal] I'm a bit concerned on whether we really need a reservation or can=
 simply do QoS / best effort there.
A reservation is good when you have a repeatable pattern like a phone call =
or a control loop, that you want to prioritize.
Do you think the use cases above qualify? Do we have other use cases that w=
ould look more like that?
Going through this cross ref, it appeared to me that the need for determini=
stic behavior was tightly associated with the need for optimization and cen=
tral computation.
If that is mostly so, then the RSVP work can be lower priority for the grou=
p.

P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)
*        From
-      Industrial; non production phases
-      Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring
-      Commercial; asset tracking
-      Home, Commercial; security
*       Distributed =3D> RPL

[TW] Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?

[Pascal] P2 needs an additional reservation, ala RSVP, some Call Admission =
Control and Ingress shaping. This is treating a sensor stream as a voice ca=
ll over IP.
P3 is more classical data. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between nodes =
and some slot management to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.
With P3, the access to the transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and R=
ED.

P4: Mobility (best effort)
*       From
-      Industrial; mobile worker
-      Commercial; asset tracking
*       Distributed =3D> RPL

P5: Dynamic slot allocation
*       From
-      Industrial; alerts
-      Smart cities; Road/Street control
-      Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking
*       6TUS must adapt to bursts
*       Need to be faster than transport reaction

[TW] also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event by =
a large group of nodes.

[Pascal] Yes, that was in a very condensed fashion the aim of item 1, alert=
s.

P6: Backbone
*       From
-      Industrial; large plant
*       Renumbering is not an option
*       One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone
*       Need to mark the packet for Diffserv

P7: Large/Deep Mesh
*       From
-      Smart cities; city lights monitoring
-      Building automation;
*       RPL / distributed
*       Need different PHYs to get range

[TW] Can you detail the different PHYs?

[Pascal] That was an item at the call, I think that bands in the 8-900 MHz =
where discussed for farther reachability. The question I have with that is =
whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism across different P=
HYs.
This looks like a complex thing to do and a stretch goal at best. Certainly=
 there will be a loss in what can be expected, and usually the least capabl=
e will be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet backbone).

P8: Coexistence with legacy
*       From
-      industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART...)
*       Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already
*       May be achieved by channel white/black list
*       No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of t=
he slot

Cheers,

Pascal





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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pascal,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It seems to me that the u=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Some seem to be different=
iated based on the entity that is responsible for slot allocation (PCE, dis=
tributed etc).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Some other seem to be bas=
ed on scalability -&gt; for example P7 large, deep mesh.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">What was the underlying c=
riteria for the definition of these use cases?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thks<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Robert Assimiti<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 6tsch-bo=
unces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Watteyne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IETF 6TSCH<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6tsch] Problem Statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pascal,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for clearing things up, this makes perfect se=
nse now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe there is a lot of interest and usefulness =
for P2-type scheduling. We have been focusing a lot of P1, especially with =
the previous work on draft-phinney, but let's not classify P2 as &quot;low =
priority&quot;. I believe P2 makes a lot of
 sense when in networks with low data rates (i.e. a sparse schedule) in whi=
ch case a distributed scheduling will yield lower overall power consumption=
. I hope this makes sense.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I believe this list makes a lot of sense, and that w=
e have the right people and tools to address P1, P2 and P3 types of schedul=
ing. We should be able to close this list on the call on Friday.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthu=
bert) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@=
cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hello Thomas:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Please see inline</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>wireless process control; low rate control loops<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; WSN service provider</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Vehicular; control IHM </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Allocation may be handled by a tier<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>[TW]</b> and move existing
<u>soft cells</u>. We don't expect colliding reservations from the PCE, rig=
ht?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">agreed<b><i>
</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P2:
<span lang=3D"FR">Distributed Routing, soft tracks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&lt; unsure which use cases?&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">=3D&gt; RSVP or similar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>[TW]</b> Possible use cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">- dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">- large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, li=
ghting applications)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]</span></i></b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1F497D">
 I&#8217;m a bit concerned on whether we really need a reservation or can s=
imply do QoS / best effort there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">A reservation is good when you have a r=
epeatable pattern like a phone call or a control loop, that
 you want to prioritize.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Do you think the use cases above qualif=
y? Do we have other use cases that would look more like that?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Going through this cross ref, it appear=
ed to me that the need for deterministic behavior was tightly
 associated with the need for optimization and central computation.</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If that is mostly so, then the RSVP wor=
k can be lower priority for the group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P3&nbsp;: Distributed Routing (best effort)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>&nbsp;<span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; non production phases</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Home, Commercial; security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>[TW]</b> Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P=
3?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">P2 needs an additional reservatio=
n, ala RSVP, some Call Admission Control and Ingress shaping. This is treat=
ing a sensor stream as a voice call over IP.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">P3 is more classical data. It needs som=
e aggregate bandwidth between nodes and some slot management
 to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">With P3, the access to the transmit que=
ue is ruled by traditional QoS and RED. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P4:
<span lang=3D"FR">Mobility (best effort)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; mobile worker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Commercial; asset tracking</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P5:
<span lang=3D"FR">Dynamic slot allocation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; alerts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Road/Street control</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking </span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">6TUS must adapt to bursts</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need to be faster than transport reaction<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>[TW]</b> also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection o=
f same event by a large group of nodes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yes, that was in a very condensed=
 fashion the aim of item 1, alerts.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P6: Backbone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Industrial; large plant</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Renumbering is not an option</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need to mark the packet for Diffserv<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P7: Large/Deep Mesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Smart cities; city lights monitoring</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">Building automation;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">RPL / distributed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Need different PHYs to get range<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>[TW]</b> Can you detail the different PHYs?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[Pascal]</span></i></b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1F497D">
 That was an item at the call, I think that bands in the 8-900 MHz where di=
scussed for farther reachability. The question I have with that is whether =
we expect to maintain some degree of determinism across different PHYs.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This looks like a complex thing to do a=
nd a stretch goal at best. Certainly there will be a loss
 in what can be expected, and usually the least capable will be the main co=
ntributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet backbone).<b><i>
</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">P8:
<span lang=3D"FR">Coexistence with legacy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span lang=3D"FR">From</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8211=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART&#8230;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>May be achieved by channel white/black list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:.5in">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226=
;</span><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span>No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of th=
e slot<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">Pascal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#888888">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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To: "Robert Assimiti" <robert.assimiti@nivis.com>
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Subject: Re: [6tsch] Problem Statement
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Pascal,

I have same feeling as Robert.

I think there are three views involved:
(1) Application view, including industrial process automation, smart city,
parking management,....
(2) Network feature view, including network scale, deterministic
sensitivity, response to mobility, periodical/bursty....
(3) technology view, including centralized/decentralized scheduling and
reservation, PCE, RSVP, traffic engineering,soft/hard cell....

Indeed, the three views are connected with each other closely. But I think
we can put them more systematically.

How do you think?

Qin



> Pascal,
>
> It seems to me that the use cases identified were based on different sets
> of criteria.
>
> Some seem to be differentiated based on the entity that is responsible for
> slot allocation (PCE, distributed etc).
> Some other seem to be based on scalability -> for example P7 large, deep
> mesh.
>
> What was the underlying criteria for the definition of these use cases?
> Thks
>
> Robert Assimiti
> Nivis
> Chief Technology Officer
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> From: 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Watteyne
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 1:54 AM
> To: IETF 6TSCH
> Subject: Re: [6tsch] Problem Statement
>
> Pascal,
>
> Thanks for clearing things up, this makes perfect sense now.
>
> I believe there is a lot of interest and usefulness for P2-type
> scheduling. We have been focusing a lot of P1, especially with the
> previous work on draft-phinney, but let's not classify P2 as "low
> priority". I believe P2 makes a lot of sense when in networks with low
> data rates (i.e. a sparse schedule) in which case a distributed scheduling
> will yield lower overall power consumption. I hope this makes sense.
>
> I believe this list makes a lot of sense, and that we have the right
> people and tools to address P1, P2 and P3 types of scheduling. We should
> be able to close this list on the call on Friday.
>
> Thomas
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> <pthubert@cisco.com<mailto:pthubert@cisco.com>> wrote:
> Hello Thomas:
>
> Please see inline
> P1: Optimized Multipath hard tracks
> *       From
> -      wireless process control; low rate control loops
> -      Smart cities; WSN service provider
> -      Vehicular; control IHM
> *       Optimized => PCE
> *       Allocation may be handled by a tier
> *       6TUS must apply the required slots and move existing if needed
>
> [TW] and move existing soft cells. We don't expect colliding reservations
> from the PCE, right?
>
> [Pascal] agreed
>
>
> P2: Distributed Routing, soft tracks
> < unsure which use cases?>
> *       => RSVP or similar
>
> [TW] Possible use cases:
> - dynamic topologies (e.g. smart parking)
> - large network with no single control entity (smart buildings, lighting
> applications)
>
> [Pascal] I'm a bit concerned on whether we really need a reservation or
> can simply do QoS / best effort there.
> A reservation is good when you have a repeatable pattern like a phone call
> or a control loop, that you want to prioritize.
> Do you think the use cases above qualify? Do we have other use cases that
> would look more like that?
> Going through this cross ref, it appeared to me that the need for
> deterministic behavior was tightly associated with the need for
> optimization and central computation.
> If that is mostly so, then the RSVP work can be lower priority for the
> group.
>
> P3 : Distributed Routing (best effort)
> *        From
> -      Industrial; non production phases
> -      Industrial, Smart cities, home; monitoring
> -      Commercial; asset tracking
> -      Home, Commercial; security
> *       Distributed => RPL
>
> [TW] Pascal, can you detail the difference between P2 and P3?
>
> [Pascal] P2 needs an additional reservation, ala RSVP, some Call Admission
> Control and Ingress shaping. This is treating a sensor stream as a voice
> call over IP.
> P3 is more classical data. It needs some aggregate bandwidth between nodes
> and some slot management to accommodate bursts, like a CIR in Frame Relay.
> With P3, the access to the transmit queue is ruled by traditional QoS and
> RED.
>
> P4: Mobility (best effort)
> *       From
> -      Industrial; mobile worker
> -      Commercial; asset tracking
> *       Distributed => RPL
>
> P5: Dynamic slot allocation
> *       From
> -      Industrial; alerts
> -      Smart cities; Road/Street control
> -      Smart cities; Smart Urban Parking
> *       6TUS must adapt to bursts
> *       Need to be faster than transport reaction
>
> [TW] also discussed over the phone: synchronous detection of same event by
> a large group of nodes.
>
> [Pascal] Yes, that was in a very condensed fashion the aim of item 1,
> alerts.
>
> P6: Backbone
> *       From
> -      Industrial; large plant
> *       Renumbering is not an option
> *       One IPv6 subnet incorp. WSNs and backbone
> *       Need to mark the packet for Diffserv
>
> P7: Large/Deep Mesh
> *       From
> -      Smart cities; city lights monitoring
> -      Building automation;
> *       RPL / distributed
> *       Need different PHYs to get range
>
> [TW] Can you detail the different PHYs?
>
> [Pascal] That was an item at the call, I think that bands in the 8-900 MHz
> where discussed for farther reachability. The question I have with that is
> whether we expect to maintain some degree of determinism across different
> PHYs.
> This looks like a complex thing to do and a stretch goal at best.
> Certainly there will be a loss in what can be expected, and usually the
> least capable will be the main contributor (eg 802.15.4 with an Ethernet
> backbone).
>
> P8: Coexistence with legacy
> *       From
> -      industrial (ISA100.11a, wiHART...)
> *       Maybe achieved well enough by TSCH MAC already
> *       May be achieved by channel white/black list
> *       No goal: sync various networks and W/B list at the granularity of
> the slot
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
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Dar all:

Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday.
The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on pro=
blem statement and gap analysis:

  *   update work on PANA [Yoshi]             5mn
  *   update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]       5mn
  *   use cases and problem statement:     30mn

     *   summary ML
     *   discussion "Problem statement"
     *   review remaining items from slide deck

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lready?"         15mn

     *   requirements document
     *   architecture document
     *   6tus "foundation" layer
     *   optimized multipath hard tracks
     *   distributed multipath soft tracks
     *   simple distributed routing
     *   interoperation event

  *   draft charter: next steps?                   5mn
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dar all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSC=
H call Friday.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The focus will be on the preparation of=
 a charter, with a discussion on problem statement and gap analysis:<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
update work on <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">PANA [Yoshi]<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>5mn<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">upda=
te work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &nbsp;
</span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-botto=
m-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">use =
cases and problem statement:<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span>30mn<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<ul type=3D"circle">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">summ=
ary ML<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">disc=
ussion &quot;Problem statement&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-lis=
t:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">revi=
ew remaining items from slide deck<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</ul>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">list=
 of achievable goals &quot;what<b><i>
</i></b>needs to be done that does not exist already?&quot;<span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1</span>5mn<=
o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<ul type=3D"circle">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">requ=
irements document<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">arch=
itecture document<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">6tus=
 &quot;foundation&quot; layer<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 le=
vel2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">opti=
mized multipath hard tracks<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 leve=
l2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">dist=
ributed multipath soft tracks&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list=
:l1 level2 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">simp=
le distributed routing<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 l=
fo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">inte=
roperation event<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</ul>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">draf=
t charter: next steps? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; </span=
>
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff =
in this list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">Call info :
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Topic:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6TSCH Weekly<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Every Fri=
day, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Time:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8:00 am, =
Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Meeting Number:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 206 802 913<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Meeting Password:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sixtus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>To start the online meeting<o:p></o:p></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Go to <a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.co=
m/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp=
;RT=3DMiM0">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">2.&nbsp;&nbsp; Log in to your account.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">3.&nbsp;&nbsp; Click &#8220;Start Now&#8221;.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">4.&nbsp;&nbsp; Follow the instructions that appear on =
your screen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<o:p></=
o:p></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903=
 for the San Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">Please dial the local access number for your area =
from the list below:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !support=
Lists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&=
middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:&nbsp; 525-6800=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !support=
Lists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&=
middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>RTP (919) area:&nbsp; 392-3330<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1>To join the teleconference only <o:p></o:p></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h2>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dial into Cisco WebE=
x (view all Global Access Numbers at <o:p></o:p></h2>
<h2><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/ind=
ex.html%20%0d2">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/in=
dex.html
</a><span class=3D"MsoHyperlink"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<h2><span class=3D"MsoHyperlink"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/=
US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2">2</a></span></span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Co=
de followed by the # sign.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">San Jose, CA: &#43;1.408.525.6800&nbsp; RTP: &#43;=
1.919.392.3330 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">US/Canada: &#43;1.866.432.9903&nbsp; United Kingdo=
m: &#43;44.20.8824.0117
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">India: &#43;91.80.4350.1111&nbsp; Germany: &#43;49=
.619.6773.9002 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">Japan: &#43;81.3.5763.9394&nbsp; China: &#43;86.10=
.8515.5666<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">To check whether you have the appropriate players =
installed for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">CCM:&#43;14085256800x206802913# <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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Pascal,

Quick question: what is 6tus "foundation" layer? Is it same as 6tus
adaptation layer, or something else?

Thanks
Qin


> Dar all:
>
> Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday.
> The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on
> problem statement and gap analysis:
>
>   *   update work on PANA [Yoshi]             5mn
>   *   update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]       5mn
>   *   use cases and problem statement:     30mn
>
>      *   summary ML
>      *   discussion "Problem statement"
>      *   review remaining items from slide deck
>
>   *   list of achievable goals "what needs to be done that does not exist
> already?"         15mn
>
>      *   requirements document
>      *   architecture document
>      *   6tus "foundation" layer
>      *   optimized multipath hard tracks
>      *   distributed multipath soft tracks
>      *   simple distributed routing
>      *   interoperation event
>
>   *   draft charter: next steps?                   5mn
> Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff in this list
> Call info :
>
> Topic:    6TSCH Weekly
>
> Date:     Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7,
> 2014
>
> Time:     8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)
>
> Meeting Number:           206 802 913
>
> Meeting Password:         sixtus
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> To start the online meeting
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1.   Go to
> https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=219615007&UID=481905242&PW=NZTRkNDAwOTE1&RT=MiM0
>
> 2.   Log in to your account.
>
> 3.   Click "Start Now".
>
> 4.   Follow the instructions that appear on your screen.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San
> Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.
>
> Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:
>
> *         San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:  525-6800
>
> *         RTP (919) area:  392-3330
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> To join the teleconference only
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1.         Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
> http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html
> <http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2>
> 2<http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2>.
>         Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or
> Access Code followed by the # sign.
>
>
> San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800  RTP: +1.919.392.3330
>
> US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903  United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117
>
> India: +91.80.4350.1111  Germany: +49.619.6773.9002
>
> Japan: +81.3.5763.9394  China: +86.10.8515.5666
>
> To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF
> (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to
> https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php.
>
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Dear all,

I am sorry to miss the Apr-5 teleconference.

Regarding =1B$B!H=1B(Bupdate work on PANA=1B$B!I=1B(B part, 6 contributors =
have joined to develop a 6TSCH security architecture based on PANA.  Once T=
OC is agreed, contributors will start working on detailed text.

The latest draft being edited is available at:
https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src

Any comments are appreciated.

Best Regards,
Yoshihiro Ohba


From: 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of P=
ascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:45 PM
To: 6tsch@ietf.org; Thomas Watteyne; Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk); T=
ed Lemon (ted.lemon@nominum.com); Ralph Droms (rdroms); Marc Blanchet
Subject: [6tsch] FW: draft agenda call 04/05

Dar all:

Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday.
The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on pro=
blem statement and gap analysis:
*         update work on PANA [Yoshi]             5mn
*         update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]       5mn
*         use cases and problem statement:     30mn
o    summary ML
o    discussion "Problem statement"
o    review remaining items from slide deck
*         list of achievable goals "what needs to be done that does not exi=
st already?"         15mn
o    requirements document
o    architecture document
o    6tus "foundation" layer
o    optimized multipath hard tracks
o    distributed multipath soft tracks
o    simple distributed routing
o    interoperation event
*         draft charter: next steps?                   5mn
Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff in this list
Call info :

Topic:    6TSCH Weekly

Date:     Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014

Time:     8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)

Meeting Number:           206 802 913

Meeting Password:         sixtus

-------------------------------------------------------
To start the online meeting
-------------------------------------------------------

1.   Go to https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&UID=3D4819052=
42&PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&RT=3DMiM0

2.   Log in to your account.

3.   Click =1B$B!H=1B(BStart Now=1B$B!I=1B(B.

4.   Follow the instructions that appear on your screen.

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ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes
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The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San Jose/Milpita=
s area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.

Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:

*         San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:  525-6800

*         RTP (919) area:  392-3330

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To join the teleconference only
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1.         Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html <http:/=
/cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2>
2<http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d=
2>.         Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) o=
r Access Code followed by the # sign.


San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800  RTP: +1.919.392.3330

US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903  United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117

India: +91.80.4350.1111  Germany: +49.619.6773.9002

Japan: +81.3.5763.9394  China: +86.10.8515.5666

To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF (Univer=
sal Communications Format) rich media files, go to https://cisco.webex.com/=
cisco/systemdiagnosis.php.

CCM:+14085256800x206802913#


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Dear all,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I am sorry t=
o miss the Apr-5 teleconference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Regarding =
=1B$B!H=1B(B</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">update work on
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;">PANA</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=1B$B!I=1B(B part</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">, 6 contributors
 have joined to develop a 6TSCH security architecture based on PANA.&nbsp; =
Once TOC is agreed, contributors will start working on detailed text.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The latest d=
raft being edited is available at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">https://bitb=
ucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Any comments=
 are appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best Regards=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yoshihiro Oh=
ba<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tah=
oma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"> 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org
 [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pascal Thubert (pthube=
rt)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 05, 2013 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 6tsch@ietf.org; Thomas Watteyne; Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co=
.uk); Ted Lemon (ted.lemon@nominum.com); Ralph Droms (rdroms); Marc Blanche=
t<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [6tsch] FW: draft agenda call 04/05<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dar all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH ca=
ll Friday.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The focus will be on the preparation of a c=
harter, with a discussion on problem statement and gap analysis:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:78.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to;mso-para-margin-left:5.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.=
0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">update work on </span><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;">PANA [Yoshi]<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>5mn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:78.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to;mso-para-margin-left:5.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.=
0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]<=
span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;
</span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:78.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to;mso-para-margin-left:5.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.=
0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">use cases and problem statement:<=
span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>30mn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-para-margin-left:8.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"=
>
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mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">summary ML<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-para-margin-left:8.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"=
>
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">discussion &quot;Problem statemen=
t&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-para-margin-left:8.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"=
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">review remaining items from slide=
 deck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:78.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to;mso-para-margin-left:5.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
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0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">list of achievable goals &quot;wh=
at<b><i>
</i></b>needs to be done that does not exist already?&quot;<span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1</span>5mn<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-para-margin-left:8.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"=
>
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mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">requirements document<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">architecture document<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">6tus &quot;foundation&quot; layer=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">optimized multipath hard tracks<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-para-margin-left:8.0gd;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"=
>
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">distributed multipath soft tracks=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;margin-left:114.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">simple distributed routing<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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span></p>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; </span=
>
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lt:auto;margin-left:42.0pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Call info :
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<div>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-ma=
rgin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Topic:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6TSCH Weekly<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-ma=
rgin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Every Friday, from Frida=
y, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-ma=
rgin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Time:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8:00 am, Pacific Dayligh=
t Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-ma=
rgin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Meeting Number:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 206 802 913<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-ma=
rgin-left:3.5gd">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Meeting Password:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; sixtus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
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tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0mm 1.0pt 0mm">
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">To start the online meeting<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList" style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5g=
d"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoList" style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5g=
d"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2.&nbsp;&nbsp; Log in to your account.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList" style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5g=
d"><span lang=3D"EN-US">3.&nbsp;&nbsp; Click =1B$B!H=1B(BStart Now=1B$B!I=
=1B(B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList" style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5g=
d"><span lang=3D"EN-US">4.&nbsp;&nbsp; Follow the instructions that appear =
on your screen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0mm 1.0pt 0mm">
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<o:p>=
</o:p></span></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-99=
03 for the San Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please dial the local access number for your are=
a from the list below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"margin-left:60.0pt;mso-para-margin-left=
:3.5gd;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><spa=
n style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">San Jose/Milpitas (408)=
 area:&nbsp; 525-6800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"margin-left:60.0pt;mso-para-margin-left=
:3.5gd;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><spa=
n style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">RTP (919) area:&nbsp; 3=
92-3330<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">To join the teleconference only
<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dial into Cisco We=
bEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
<o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/i=
ndex.html%20%0d2">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/=
index.html
</a></span><span class=3D"MsoHyperlink"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></span></h2>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5gd"><span class=3D"=
MsoHyperlink"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/a=
bout/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2">2</a></span></span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Co=
de followed by the # sign.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">San Jose, CA: &#43;1.408.525.6800&nbsp; RTP: &#4=
3;1.919.392.3330
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">US/Canada: &#43;1.866.432.9903&nbsp; United King=
dom: &#43;44.20.8824.0117
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">India: &#43;91.80.4350.1111&nbsp; Germany: &#43;=
49.619.6773.9002
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Japan: &#43;81.3.5763.9394&nbsp; China: &#43;86.=
10.8515.5666<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To check whether you have the appropriate player=
s installed for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go =
to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3=
.5gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US">CCM:&#43;14085256800x206802913#
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:3.5=
gd"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
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Yoshihiro.

Thanks a million for the update. I'm glad to see that you have gathered a
good team and that work is progressing fast!

I will be sending the minutes from today's call to the ML later today, so
you can keep up to date.

Thomas


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:39 PM, <yoshihiro.ohba@toshiba.co.jp> wrote:

>  Dear all,****
>
> ** **
>
> I am sorry to miss the Apr-5 teleconference.****
>
> ** **
>
> Regarding =93update work on PANA=94 part, 6 contributors have joined to
> develop a 6TSCH security architecture based on PANA.  Once TOC is agreed,
> contributors will start working on detailed text.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> The latest draft being edited is available at:****
>
> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src****
>
> ** **
>
> Any comments are appreciated.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,****
>
> Yoshihiro Ohba****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2013 2:45 PM
> *To:* 6tsch@ietf.org; Thomas Watteyne; Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk=
);
> Ted Lemon (ted.lemon@nominum.com); Ralph Droms (rdroms); Marc Blanchet
> *Subject:* [6tsch] FW: draft agenda call 04/05****
>
> ** **
>
> Dar all:****
>
> ** **
>
> Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday. ****
>
> The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on
> problem statement and gap analysis:****
>
> **=B7         **update work on PANA [Yoshi]             5mn****
>
> **=B7         **update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]       5mn  ****
>
> **=B7         **use cases and problem statement:     30mn****
>
> **o    **summary ML****
>
> **o    **discussion "Problem statement"****
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> **o    **review remaining items from slide deck****
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> **=B7         **list of achievable goals "what* *needs to be done that do=
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> **o    **requirements document****
>
> **o    **architecture document****
>
> **o    **6tus "foundation" layer****
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> **o    **optimized multipath hard tracks****
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> **o    **interoperation event****
>
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>
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> Call info : ****
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yoshihiro.<div><br></div><div>Thanks a million for the upd=
ate. I&#39;m glad to see that you have gathered a good team and that work i=
s progressing fast!</div><div><br></div><div>I will be sending the minutes =
from today&#39;s call to the ML later today, so you can keep up to date.</d=
iv>


<div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:39 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:yoshihiro.ohba@toshiba.co.jp" target=3D"_blank">yoshihiro.=
ohba@toshiba.co.jp</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"JA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Dear all,<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I am sorry t=
o miss the Apr-5 teleconference.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regarding =
=93</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">update work on
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;">PANA</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=94 part</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#1f497d">, 6 contributors
 have joined to develop a 6TSCH security architecture based on PANA.=A0 Onc=
e TOC is agreed, contributors will start working on detailed text.=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The latest d=
raft being edited is available at:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"h=
ttps://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src</a><u></u><u></u=
></span></p>



<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Any comments=
 are appreciated.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Best Regards=
,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Yoshihiro Oh=
ba<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm =
0mm 0mm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:6tsch-=
bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">6tsch-bounces@ietf.org</a>
 [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">6tsch-=
bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pascal Thubert (pthubert)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 05, 2013 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:6tsch@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">6tsch@ietf.o=
rg</a>; Thomas Watteyne; Adrian Farrel (<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.=
uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>); Ted Lemon (<a href=3D"mailt=
o:ted.lemon@nominum.com" target=3D"_blank">ted.lemon@nominum.com</a>); Ralp=
h Droms (rdroms); Marc Blanchet<br>



<b>Subject:</b> [6tsch] FW: draft agenda call 04/05<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u=
></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Dar all:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion o=
n problem statement and gap analysis:<u></u><u></u></span></p>



</div><div>
<div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:78.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><=
span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US">update work on </span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">PANA [Yoshi]<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span>5mn<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:78.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><=
span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">update work on NSIS [Xavi, Jphn]<spa=
n style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0
</span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0 </span><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:78.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><=
span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">use cases and problem statement:<spa=
n style=3D"color:#1f497d"> =A0=A0=A0
</span>30mn<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">summary ML<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">discussion &quot;Problem statement&q=
uot;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">review remaining items from slide de=
ck<u></u><u></u></span></p><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:78.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><=
span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">list of achievable goals &quot;what<=
b><i>
</i></b>needs to be done that does not exist already?&quot;<span style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1</span>5mn<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">requirements document<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">architecture document<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">6tus &quot;foundation&quot; layer<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">optimized multipath hard tracks<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">distributed multipath soft tracks=A0=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">simple distributed routing<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:114.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><span>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;">=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">interoperation event<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:78.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><=
span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">draft charter: next steps? =A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span>5mn<=
span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0 </span>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please let us know if you wish to add / change =
stuff in this list<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Call info :
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Topic:=A0=A0=A0 6TSCH Weekly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Date:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, =
2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Time:=A0=A0=A0=A0 8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San =
Francisco, GMT-07:00)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Meeting Number:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 206 802 =
913<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Meeting Password:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sixtus<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0mm 1.0pt 0mm">
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To start the online m=
eeting<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1.=A0=A0 Go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_blank">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2.=A0=A0 Log in to yo=
ur account.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">3.=A0=A0 Click =93Sta=
rt Now=94.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:56.15pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">4.=A0=A0 Follow the i=
nstructions that appear on your screen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0mm 1.0pt 0mm">
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">ALERT:Toll-Free Dial =
Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The affected toll free=
 numbers are: <a href=3D"tel:%28866%29%20432-9903" value=3D"+18664329903" t=
arget=3D"_blank">(866) 432-9903</a> for the San Jose/Milpitas area and <a h=
ref=3D"tel:%28866%29%20349-3520" value=3D"+18663493520" target=3D"_blank">(=
866) 349-3520</a> for the RTP area.<u></u><u></u></span></p>



<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please dial the local =
access number for your area from the list below:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:60.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span>=B7<span sty=
le=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US">San Jose/Milpitas (408) ar=
ea:=A0 525-6800<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:60.0pt">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span>=B7<span sty=
le=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-US">RTP (919) area:=A0 392-333=
0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To join the teleconfe=
rence only
<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-------------------------------------------------=
------
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://cis=
co.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2" target=3D=
"_blank">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.htm=
l
</a></span><span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></span></h2>
<h2 style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D=
"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2=
" target=3D"_blank">2</a></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
 Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Co=
de followed by the # sign.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">San Jose, CA: <a href=
=3D"tel:%2B1.408.525.6800" value=3D"+14085256800" target=3D"_blank">+1.408.=
525.6800</a>=A0 RTP: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1.919.392.3330" value=3D"+1919392333=
0" target=3D"_blank">+1.919.392.3330</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">US/Canada: <a href=3D"=
tel:%2B1.866.432.9903" value=3D"+18664329903" target=3D"_blank">+1.866.432.=
9903</a>=A0 United Kingdom: <a href=3D"tel:%2B44.20.8824.0117" value=3D"+44=
2088240117" target=3D"_blank">+44.20.8824.0117</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">India: <a href=3D"tel:=
%2B91.80.4350.1111" value=3D"+918043501111" target=3D"_blank">+91.80.4350.1=
111</a>=A0 Germany: <a href=3D"tel:%2B49.619.6773.9002" value=3D"+496196773=
9002" target=3D"_blank">+49.619.6773.9002</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Japan: <a href=3D"tel:=
%2B81.3.5763.9394" value=3D"+81357639394" target=3D"_blank">+81.3.5763.9394=
</a>=A0 China: <a href=3D"tel:%2B86.10.8515.5666" value=3D"+861085155666" t=
arget=3D"_blank">+86.10.8515.5666</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>



<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To check whether you h=
ave the appropriate players installed for UCF (Universal Communications For=
mat) rich media files, go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php</span></a=
>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>



<p style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">CCM:+14085256800x20680=
2913#
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:42.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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All,

You will find the minutes of the yesterday's webex below. Please fix
anything I might have missed directly in the e-mail and reply.

Thomas

-----

Note: timestamps in PDT.

Present (alphabetically)
------------------------

* Alfredo Grieco
* Dominique Barthel
* Maria Rita Palattella
* Pascal Thubert
* Qin Wang
* Ted Lemon
* Thomas Watteyne
* Tina Tsou
* Tom Phinney
* Xavi Vilajosana

Agenda
------

* update work on PANA [Yoshihiro] [5min]
* update work on NSIS [Xavi, John] [5min]
* use cases and problem statement: [30min]
    * summary ML
    * discussion "Problem statement"
    * review remaining items from slide deck
* list of achievable goals "what needs to be done that does not exist
already?"
    * requirements document
    * architecture document
    * 6tus "foundation" layer
    * optimized multipath hard tracks
    * distributed multipath soft tracks
    * simple distributed routing
    * interoperation event
* draft charter: next steps? [5min]

Minutes
-------

* [08.04] meeting starts
* Yoshihiro could not make it to the call, but sends the following update by
  e-mail (see
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00422.html)
  > Regarding "update work on PANA" part, 6 contributors have joined to
  > develop a 6TSCH security architecture based on PANA. Once TOC is agreed,
  > contributors will start working on detailed text.
  >
  > The latest draft being edited is available at:
  > https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src
  >
  > Any comments are appreciated.
  >
* [08.06] work on NSIS [Xavi]
    * Together with John, Xavi has written a document on the applicability
of
      NSIS for 6TSCH networks.
    * Will share document on ML soon.
    * NSIS can be useable for soft reservation between nodes in the network.
    * We can create extension if needed.
    * Not clear whether can be used for PCE-to-node communication.
    * [Pascal] We need to discuss whether NSIS can really be used for PCE
      to mote communication.
    * [Pascal] Carsten Borrmann suggested in ML that NSIS is too
      complicated to be implemented in motes
      (see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00326.html
).
    * [Qin] if we want to use NSIS also for PCE to mote, then motes need to
      implement NSIS in all cases.
    * [Xavi] If we go that route, yes.
    * [Thomas] This is a very first announcement of the work by Xavi and
       John. Let's wait for the document to appear of the ML and discuss on
ML.
* [08.10] Problem statement [Pascal]
    * Pascal presents slides [TODO Thomas: add link]
    * Optimized Multipath hard tracks
        * Optimized => PCE
        * Allocation may be handled by a tier
        * [Thomas] What's the meaning of IHM?
        * [Pascal] This is a typo. Equivalent to GUI.
        * [Pascal] Reducing the amount of copper wiring in a car
            reduces its weight, and has a real impact on mileage.
    * Distributed Routing, soft tracks
        * Reservation => RSVP or NSIS
        * [Pascal] We need to highlight a very clear use case for this.
        * [Thomas] Agreed that we need to identify use case. Yet let's
          not consider this of secondary importance.
    * Distributed Routing (best effort)
        * Distributed => RPL
        * [Qin] It's a bit unclear what this use case it.
        * [Thomas] We can consider this case for:
            * Absolute minimal set of things you need to do to interoperate
              (shared slots)
            * used when nodes are so constrained that can not implement
              any form of reservation
            * used as fallback when all rest goes wrong
            * used when bootstrapping network
    * Mobility (best effort)
        * Two cases: mobile cranes and mobile worker
        * [Pascal] Can we consider traffic in mobile worker case to be
           "best effort"?
        * [Dominique] Yes.
    * Dynamic slot allocation
        * Used for bursty traffic
        * [Thomas] A bit open-ended. Multiple solutions can be found.
          Maybe roll into "Distributed Routing (best effort)" case?
    * Backbone
        * renumbering not needed when nodes transition from one LLN to
another
    * Large/long mesh
        * [Dominique] Clarification: large akin city-wide, long akin
          "linear" topology
        * [Tom] Does this not fall into backbone case?
        * [Thomas] Agreed. Asnwer for city-wide deployments could be
          architecture recommendation to use multiple island of 100s nodes
          interconnected by backbone.
        * [Pascal] Agreed, we don't need protocolar answer to this.
    * Coexistence with legacy
        * Agreed that sync various standards (ISA100.11a, WirelessHART) is
          no-goal
* [08.57] draft charter [Thomas]
    * Wrote a 1.5p very first draft charter
    * Idea is to serve as a basis for discussion
    * With lots of work already done by group, will probably be painless to
      finalize.
    * Will post to mailing list to start discussion
    * We can cover this in next call.
* [09.02] Next steps
    * [Pascal] Put draft charter in bitbucket?
    * [Thomas] Yes. But charter is a very short document. Maybe we need
       a (longer) requirements document?
    * [Pascal] Sounds like a plan.
* [09.05] meeting ends

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>You will find the minutes of=
 the yesterday&#39;s webex below. Please fix anything I might have missed d=
irectly in the e-mail and reply.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Thoma=
s</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>-----</div><div style><br></div><div style>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Note: timestamps in PDT.</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">Present (alphabetically)</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">------------------------</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Alfredo Grieco</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace">* Dominique Barthel</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Maria Rita Palattella</font></=
div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Pascal Thubert</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Qin Wang</font></div><div><fo=
nt face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Ted Lemon</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Thomas Watteyne</font></div><d=
iv><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Tina Tsou</font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Tom Phinney</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">* Xavi Vilajosana</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">Agenda</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier n=
ew, monospace">------</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace=
"><br>

</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* update work on PA=
NA [Yoshihiro] [5min]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace=
">* update work on NSIS [Xavi, John] [5min]</font></div><div><font face=3D"=
courier new, monospace">* use cases and problem statement: [30min]</font></=
div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * summary ML</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * discussion &quot;Prob=
lem statement&quot;</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=
=A0 =A0 * review remaining items from slide deck</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* list of achievable goals &quot=
;what needs to be done that does not exist already?&quot;</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * requirements document</font=
></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * architecture document<=
/font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * 6tus &quot=
;foundation&quot; layer</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospa=
ce">=A0 =A0 * optimized multipath hard tracks</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * distributed multipath =
soft tracks</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
* simple distributed routing</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mo=
nospace">=A0 =A0 * interoperation event</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* draft charter: next steps? [5m=
in]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Minutes</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">-------</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.04] meeting starts</font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Yoshihiro could not make it to the call,=
 but sends the following update by</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 e-mail (see <a href=3D"http:=
//www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00422.html">http://www.iet=
f.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00422.html</a>)</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt; Regarding &quot;update work on=
 PANA&quot; part, 6 contributors have joined to</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt; develop a 6TSCH securit=
y architecture based on PANA. Once TOC is agreed,</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt; contributors will start working on d=
etailed text.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt;</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt; The latest draft being edited is a=
vailable at:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt=
; <a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src">htt=
ps://bitbucket.org/6tsch/draft-ohba-6tsch-security/src</a></font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt;</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt; Any comments are appreciated.</fon=
t></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 &gt;</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.06] work on NSIS [Xavi]</font=
></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Together with John, Xa=
vi has written a document on the applicability of</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 NSIS for 6TSCH networks.</font></=
div><div>
<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Will share document on ML s=
oon.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * NSIS can be useable fo=
r soft reservation between nodes in the network.</font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * We can create extension if needed.</=
font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Not clear whether can =
be used for PCE-to-node communication.</font></div><div><font face=3D"couri=
er new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] We need to discuss whether NSIS can r=
eally be used for PCE</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 to mote communicatio=
n.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal=
] Carsten Borrmann suggested in ML that NSIS is too</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 complicated to be implemented i=
n motes</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 (see <a href=3D"http=
://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00326.html">http://www.ie=
tf.org/mail-archive/web/6tsch/current/msg00326.html</a>).</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Qin] if we want to use NSI=
S also for PCE to mote, then motes need to</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 implement NSIS in al=
l cases.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [=
Xavi] If we go that route, yes.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new,=
 monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] This is a very first announcement of the wor=
k by Xavi and</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0John. Let&#39;s w=
ait for the document to appear of the ML and discuss on ML.</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.10] Problem statement [Pascal=
]</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Pascal presents slides=
 [TODO Thomas: add link]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monosp=
ace">=A0 =A0 * Optimized Multipath hard tracks</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Optimized =3D&gt; PCE</font><=
/div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Allocation may=
 be handled by a tier</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace=
">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Thomas] What&#39;s the meaning of IHM?</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] This is =
a typo. Equivalent to GUI.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Reduc=
ing the amount of copper wiring in a car</font></div><div><font face=3D"cou=
rier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reduces its weight, and has a =
real impact on mileage.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Distributed Routing, s=
oft tracks</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * Reservation =3D&gt; RSVP or NSIS</font></div><div><font face=3D"c=
ourier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] We need to highlight a ve=
ry clear use case for this.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Thomas] Agree=
d that we need to identify use case. Yet let&#39;s</font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 not consider this of sec=
ondary importance.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Distributed Routing (b=
est effort)</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * Distributed =3D&gt; RPL</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier ne=
w, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Qin] It&#39;s a bit unclear what this use =
case it.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Thomas] We ca=
n consider this case for:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monos=
pace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Absolute minimal set of things you need to =
do to interoperate</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (sha=
red slots)</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * used when nodes are so constrained that can not implement=
</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 any form of reservation</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * used a=
s fallback when all rest goes wrong</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier =
new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * used when bootstrapping network</=
font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Mobility (b=
est effort)</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Two cases: mob=
ile cranes and mobile worker</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mo=
nospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Can we consider traffic in mobile worke=
r case to be</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&quot;bes=
t effort&quot;?</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 * [Dominique] Yes.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, =
monospace">=A0 =A0 * Dynamic slot allocation</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Used for burst=
y traffic</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] A bit open-ended. Multiple solutions can be found.</font=
></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Maybe=
 roll into &quot;Distributed Routing (best effort)&quot; case?</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Backbone</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * renumbering not=
 needed when nodes transition from one LLN to another</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Large/long mesh</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Dominique] Cl=
arification: large akin city-wide, long akin</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &quot;linear&quot; topology</f=
ont></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Tom=
] Does this not fall into backbone case?</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Thomas] Agree=
d. Asnwer for city-wide deployments could be</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 architecture recommendation to=
 use multiple island of 100s nodes</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 interconnect=
ed by backbone.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Agreed, we don&#39;t need protocolar answer to this.=
</font></div><div>

<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Coexistence with legacy</fo=
nt></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Agree=
d that sync various standards (ISA100.11a, WirelessHART) is</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 no-goal</font><=
/div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.57] draft charter [Thomas]=
</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Wrote a 1=
.5p very first draft charter</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mo=
nospace">=A0 =A0 * Idea is to serve as a basis for discussion</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * With lots of work alre=
ady done by group, will probably be painless to</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 finalize.</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Will post to mailing list to start =
discussion</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * We can cover this in n=
ext call.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [09.02] =
Next steps</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 *=
 [Pascal] Put draft charter in bitbucket?</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] Yes. But char=
ter is a very short document. Maybe we need</font></div><div><font face=3D"=
courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0a (longer) requirements document?</f=
ont></div><div>

<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Sounds like a plan=
.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [09.05] meeting =
ends</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></di=
v></div>

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All,

FYI, you will find an archive of all past webex minutes at

https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/.

Let's keep sending the minutes to the mailing list, but also store them in
the archive, together with the presented material.

If you see something is not write with the content, please send a note to
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As discussed during the webex yesterday, you will find the draft for a
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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>As discussed during the webe=
x yesterday, you will find the draft for a 6TSCH charter at:</div><div styl=
e><br></div><div style><a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-=
6tsch/src">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a><br>

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some comments on the charter below, marked <MB>

Marc.


Background/Introduction:
------------------------

Low power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number =
of
resource-constrained devices to form a wireless mesh network. A small =
number of
border routers (BR) serve as gateways between the LLN and the Internet. =
There
is a wide scope of application areas for LLNs, including building =
automation,
home automation, industrial process control and urban applications.

A chief component of these networks is the wireless communication =
technology.
The 6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at
various layers of the LLN protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation =
layer, a
routing protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol stack has =
been used
with IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios so far, the limitation of which in
mesh-networking conditions however has become apparent recently.

To this end, IEEE802.15.4e Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) has been =
made a
recent amendment to the Medium Access Control protocol of the =
IEEE802.15.4
standard, inheriting from long-standing industrial process control =
standards
such as WirelessHART and ISA100.11a.

IEEE802.15.4e enhances the IEEE802.15.4 standard through:
- high reliability: 99.999% end-to-end reliability is commonplace.
- determinism: a clear definition of link-layer resources allows =
independence
of data flows.
- low-power: devices can have duty cycles well below 1%, thereby =
extending
battery lifetime to multiple years.

<MB>It should appropriate to have a short paragraph on what TSCH exactly =
does: ie. a more detailed description of how the timeslots are done, and =
how the channel hopping is.  The intent is not to get a full =
description, but a grisp of what is new or different using this new LL =
stack. Right now, the current text says: "this is great, we need a new =
adaptation layer", but does not specify really what are the main =
characteristics and challenges of this version of 802.15.4. If the intro =
becomes too long, I would add that paragraph and remove or shrink the =
first two paragraphs.</MB>

These characteristics translate into a new range of use cases for LLNs,
including:
- Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high
reliability and determinism are required.
- Umbrella urban networks transporting data from different independent =
clients,
and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic shaping.
- Energy harvesting networks, which require an extremely low and =
predictable
average power consumption.

IEEE802.15.4e only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define =
how
the network communication schedule is built and matched to the traffic
requirement of the network. The definition of an adaptation layer and
architectural recommendations are needed for those highly efficient LLN
networks to transition to end-to-end IPv6-based solutions.

Description of Working Group:
-----------------------------

The Working Group focuses only on the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4e =
standard.
The WG will define a framework for managing the TSCH schedule. This =
framework
will consist of an adaptation layer which allows a central or a =
distributed
forwarding entity to match the bandwidth, latency and reliability =
requirements
of the different data flows transported in the LLN.

The WG will focus on three scheduling approaches:=20
- a central Path Computation Entity builds and maintains the =
communication
schedule, and distributes it to the nodes. This schedule includes =
routing
information; RPL operations only apply to emergency repair actions when =
the
reference topology becomes unusable.
- a distributed resource reservation and signaling protocol establishes =
pipes
between source and destination nodes along multi-hop routes identified =
by RPL.
- a best effort resource reservation is used to transport data frames =
along
multi-hop routes identified by RPL.

The Working Group focuses only on an IPv6-based architecture, which =
includes
6LoWPAN header compression and the RPL routing protocol for routing. The =
WG
will produce architectural recommendations defining how IPv6 packets are
labeled and transported over the LLN, and how an LLN can support =
multiple BRs.
It will also address how IPv6 prefixes can be shared between LLNs and =
how nodes
maintain synchronization in the presence of multiple BRs.

<MB>I think here we should be cautious. I would rephrase or add the fact =
that these new definitions will only be done if they are really needed. =
It may not be obvious that the addition of TSCH have the impact of =
defining another way the IPv6 prefixes will be used.  Maybe some text =
like: "Only required changes or additions to the 6lowpan/rpl will be =
developed.</MB>


The WG will informally coordinate on requirements with organizations =
including
IPSO Alliance, IoT6, ISA, IEEE and other SDOs and organizations. The WG =
will
closely coordinate with other IETF WGs including ROLL, 6LoWPAN, CoRE, =
PCE,
COMAN, LWIG and other appropriate groups in the IETF Internet, Routing =
and
Security areas.

Work Items:
-----------

1. Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the operation =
of
the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer and the
IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.=20
<MB>6tus here is the first time that keyword is used. Might want to =
expand it</MB>

This document (or documents) will define how to
bootstrap a 6TSCH network, and how nodes maintain synchronization, =
including
in the presence of multiple BRs. It will define the hooks for an upper
scheduling layer to modify the underlying TSCH schedule, as well as the
monitoring functions to gather link quality statistics and possibly act
accordingly.
This document or documents will be a proposed standard.

2. Produce "6TSCH centralized management" to define the mechanism by =
which an
external Path Computation Entity can communicate with the 6tus protocol =
layer
of the different nodes in the network (1) to modify their TSCH schedule =
and
(2) to gather link quality statistics and data flow requirements.  The =
WG will
initially look at PCEP and CoAP.
Depending on the applicability of PCEP, this document will either be
informational or a proposed standard.

<MB>Looks like a protocol. I would suggest setting it for now as =
Proposed Standard. and then see later if relevant to downgrade it to =
informational</MB>

3. Produce "6TSCH distributed management" to define the mechanism by =
which a
source node reserves MAC-layer resources along a pre-established RPL =
multi-hop
path to a destination node. The WG will initially look at RSVP and NSIS.
Depending on the applicability of RSVP and NSIS, this document will =
either be
informational or a proposed standard.

<MB>same comment</MB>


4. Produce "6TSCH minimal operation" to define how to build a 6TSCH =
network
when no PCE or distributed scheduling protocol is available. The =
communication
schedule can be either pre-set (possibly using shared resources), or =
resource
requirements can be determined on the fly by traffic analysis at the =
nodes.
This document will be informational.

5. Produce "6TSCH architecture" to describe the design and =
implementation of
6TSCH networks. This document will highlight the different data and =
signaling
flows, the operation of the network in the presence of multiple BRs,
and the labeling of packets travelling over the 6TSCH network.
This document will be informational.

6. Produce "TSCH overview" to describe the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH standard =
in the
LLN context. This document will present protocol highlights, and =
identify
the elements that need to be handled by the upper layers.
This document will be informational.

The working group will continue to reuse existing protocols and =
mechanisms
whenever reasonable and possible.

Non-milestone work items:
-------------------------

The Working Group will keep two running, often-respun documents:
- implementers guide, collecting clarifying information based on input =
from
implementers, in particular as it becomes available from =
interoperability
events.
- interoperability guide, providing information for interoperability
events, such as temporary interoperability testing strategies or
information about test harnesses used for interoperability testing.

Both documents will be WG documents.

<MB>This last part looks weird. If there are wg documents, then they =
should be published as RFC, informational as I see. Why not? </MB>




Le 2013-04-07 =E0 09:21, Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu> a =
=E9crit :

> All,
>=20
> As discussed during the webex yesterday, you will find the draft for a =
6TSCH charter at:
>=20
> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src
>=20
> Looking forward to receiving your comments on the ML,
>=20
> Thomas
> _______________________________________________
> 6tsch mailing list
> 6tsch@ietf.org
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charset=3Diso-8859-1"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">some =
comments on the charter below, marked =
&lt;MB&gt;<div><br></div><div>Marc.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans =
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">Background/Introduction:
<a name=3D"cl-2" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>------------------------
<a name=3D"cl-3" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-4" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Low power and =
Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number of
<a name=3D"cl-5" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>resource-constrained devices to form a wireless mesh network. A =
small number of
<a name=3D"cl-6" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>border routers =
(BR) serve as gateways between the LLN and the Internet. There
<a name=3D"cl-7" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>is a wide =
scope of application areas for LLNs, including building automation,
<a name=3D"cl-8" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>home =
automation, industrial process control and urban applications.
<a name=3D"cl-9" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-10" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>A chief =
component of these networks is the wireless communication technology.
<a name=3D"cl-11" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The 6LoWPAN, =
ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at
<a name=3D"cl-12" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>various =
layers of the LLN protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation layer, a
<a name=3D"cl-13" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>routing =
protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol stack has been used
<a name=3D"cl-14" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>with =
IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios so far, the limitation of which in
<a name=3D"cl-15" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>mesh-networking conditions however has become apparent recently.
<a name=3D"cl-16" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-17" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>To this end, =
IEEE802.15.4e Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) has been made a
<a name=3D"cl-18" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>recent =
amendment to the Medium Access Control protocol of the IEEE802.15.4
<a name=3D"cl-19" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>standard, =
inheriting from long-standing industrial process control standards
<a name=3D"cl-20" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>such as =
WirelessHART and ISA100.11a.
<a name=3D"cl-21" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-22" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>IEEE802.15.4e =
enhances the IEEE802.15.4 standard through:
<a name=3D"cl-23" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- high =
reliability: 99.999% end-to-end reliability is commonplace.
<a name=3D"cl-24" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- =
determinism: a clear definition of link-layer resources allows =
independence
<a name=3D"cl-25" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>of data =
flows.
<a name=3D"cl-26" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- low-power: =
devices can have duty cycles well below 1%, thereby extending
<a name=3D"cl-27" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>battery =
lifetime to multiple years.
<a name=3D"cl-28" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a><br></pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', =
'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; line-height: =
1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; z-index: 0; =
">&lt;MB&gt;It should appropriate to have a short paragraph on what TSCH =
exactly does: ie. a more detailed description of how the timeslots are =
done, and how the channel hopping is.  The intent is not to get a full =
description, but a grisp of what is new or different using this new LL =
stack. Right now, the current text says: "this is great, we need a new =
adaptation layer", but does not specify really what are the main =
characteristics and challenges of this version of 802.15.4. If the intro =
becomes too long, I would add that paragraph and remove or shrink the =
first two paragraphs.&lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: =
'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: =
relative; z-index: 0; "><br></pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream =
Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; =
z-index: auto; "><a name=3D"cl-29" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>These characteristics translate into a new range of use cases for =
LLNs,
<a name=3D"cl-30" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>including:
<a name=3D"cl-31" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- Control =
loops in a wireless process control network, in which high
<a name=3D"cl-32" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>reliability =
and determinism are required.
<a name=3D"cl-33" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- Umbrella =
urban networks transporting data from different independent clients,
<a name=3D"cl-34" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>and for which =
an operator needs flow isolation and traffic shaping.
<a name=3D"cl-35" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- Energy =
harvesting networks, which require an extremely low and predictable
<a name=3D"cl-36" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>average power =
consumption.
<a name=3D"cl-37" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-38" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>IEEE802.15.4e =
only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define how
<a name=3D"cl-39" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>the network =
communication schedule is built and matched to the traffic
<a name=3D"cl-40" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>requirement =
of the network. The definition of an adaptation layer and
<a name=3D"cl-41" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>architectural =
recommendations are needed for those highly efficient LLN
<a name=3D"cl-42" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>networks to =
transition to end-to-end IPv6-based solutions.
<a name=3D"cl-43" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-44" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Description =
of Working Group:
<a name=3D"cl-45" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>-----------------------------
<a name=3D"cl-46" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-47" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The Working =
Group focuses only on the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4e standard.
<a name=3D"cl-48" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The WG will =
define a framework for managing the TSCH schedule. This framework
<a name=3D"cl-49" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>will consist =
of an adaptation layer which allows a central or a distributed
<a name=3D"cl-50" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>forwarding =
entity to match the bandwidth, latency and reliability requirements
<a name=3D"cl-51" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>of the =
different data flows transported in the LLN.
<a name=3D"cl-52" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-53" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The WG will =
focus on three scheduling approaches:=20
<a name=3D"cl-54" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- a central =
Path Computation Entity builds and maintains the communication
<a name=3D"cl-55" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>schedule, and =
distributes it to the nodes. This schedule includes routing
<a name=3D"cl-56" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>information; =
RPL operations only apply to emergency repair actions when the
<a name=3D"cl-57" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>reference =
topology becomes unusable.
<a name=3D"cl-58" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- a =
distributed resource reservation and signaling protocol establishes =
pipes
<a name=3D"cl-59" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>between =
source and destination nodes along multi-hop routes identified by RPL.
<a name=3D"cl-60" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- a best =
effort resource reservation is used to transport data frames along
<a name=3D"cl-61" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>multi-hop =
routes identified by RPL.
<a name=3D"cl-62" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-63" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The Working =
Group focuses only on an IPv6-based architecture, which includes
<a name=3D"cl-64" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>6LoWPAN =
header compression and the RPL routing protocol for routing. The WG
<a name=3D"cl-65" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>will produce =
architectural recommendations defining how IPv6 packets are
<a name=3D"cl-66" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>labeled and =
transported over the LLN, and how an LLN can support multiple BRs.
<a name=3D"cl-67" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>It will also =
address how IPv6 prefixes can be shared between LLNs and how nodes
<a name=3D"cl-68" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>maintain =
synchronization in the presence of multiple BRs.</pre><pre =
style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', =
Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255); position: relative; z-index: 0; "><br></pre><pre =
style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', =
Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255); position: relative; z-index: 0; ">&lt;MB&gt;I think here we =
should be cautious. I would rephrase or add the fact that these new =
definitions will only be done if they are really needed. It may not be =
obvious that the addition of TSCH have the impact of defining another =
way the IPv6 prefixes will be used.  Maybe some text like: "Only =
required changes or additions to the 6lowpan/rpl will be =
developed.&lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera =
Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; =
z-index: auto; ">
<a name=3D"cl-69" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-70" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The WG will =
informally coordinate on requirements with organizations including
<a name=3D"cl-71" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>IPSO =
Alliance, IoT6, ISA, IEEE and other SDOs and organizations. The WG will
<a name=3D"cl-72" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>closely =
coordinate with other IETF WGs including ROLL, 6LoWPAN, CoRE, PCE,
<a name=3D"cl-73" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>COMAN, LWIG =
and other appropriate groups in the IETF Internet, Routing and
<a name=3D"cl-74" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Security =
areas.
<a name=3D"cl-75" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-76" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Work Items:
<a name=3D"cl-77" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>-----------
<a name=3D"cl-78" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-79" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>1. Produce =
"6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the operation of
<a name=3D"cl-80" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>the =
adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer and the
<a name=3D"cl-81" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>IEEE802.15.4e =
TSCH MAC layer.&nbsp;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera =
Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; =
z-index: 0; ">&lt;MB&gt;6tus here is the first time that keyword is =
used. Might want to expand it&lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: =
'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: =
relative; z-index: 0; "><br></pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream =
Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; =
z-index: auto; ">This document (or documents) will define how to
<a name=3D"cl-82" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>bootstrap a =
6TSCH network, and how nodes maintain synchronization, including
<a name=3D"cl-83" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>in the =
presence of multiple BRs. It will define the hooks for an upper
<a name=3D"cl-84" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>scheduling =
layer to modify the underlying TSCH schedule, as well as the
<a name=3D"cl-85" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>monitoring =
functions to gather link quality statistics and possibly act
<a name=3D"cl-86" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>accordingly.
<a name=3D"cl-87" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>This document =
or documents will be a proposed standard.
<a name=3D"cl-88" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-89" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>2. Produce =
"6TSCH centralized management" to define the mechanism by which an
<a name=3D"cl-90" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>external Path =
Computation Entity can communicate with the 6tus protocol layer
<a name=3D"cl-91" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>of the =
different nodes in the network (1) to modify their TSCH schedule and
<a name=3D"cl-92" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>(2) to gather =
link quality statistics and data flow requirements.  The WG will
<a name=3D"cl-93" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>initially =
look at PCEP and CoAP.
<a name=3D"cl-94" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Depending on =
the applicability of PCEP, this document will either be
<a name=3D"cl-95" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>informational =
or a proposed standard.</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera =
Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; =
z-index: 0; "><br></pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans =
Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; =
z-index: 0; ">&lt;MB&gt;Looks like a protocol. I would suggest setting =
it for now as Proposed Standard. and then see later if relevant to =
downgrade it to informational&lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: =
'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: =
static; z-index: auto; ">
<a name=3D"cl-97" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>3. Produce =
"6TSCH distributed management" to define the mechanism by which a
<a name=3D"cl-98" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>source node =
reserves MAC-layer resources along a pre-established RPL multi-hop
<a name=3D"cl-99" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>path to a =
destination node. The WG will initially look at RSVP and NSIS.
<a name=3D"cl-100" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Depending on =
the applicability of RSVP and NSIS, this document will either be
<a name=3D"cl-101" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>informational or a proposed standard.</pre><pre =
style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', =
Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255); position: relative; z-index: 0; "><br></pre><pre =
style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', =
Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255); position: relative; z-index: 0; ">&lt;MB&gt;same =
comment&lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera Sans =
Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: static; =
z-index: auto; ">
<a name=3D"cl-102" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-103" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>4. Produce =
"6TSCH minimal operation" to define how to build a 6TSCH network
<a name=3D"cl-104" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>when no PCE =
or distributed scheduling protocol is available. The communication
<a name=3D"cl-105" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>schedule can =
be either pre-set (possibly using shared resources), or resource
<a name=3D"cl-106" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>requirements =
can be determined on the fly by traffic analysis at the nodes.
<a name=3D"cl-107" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>This =
document will be informational.
<a name=3D"cl-108" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-109" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>5. Produce =
"6TSCH architecture" to describe the design and implementation of
<a name=3D"cl-110" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>6TSCH =
networks. This document will highlight the different data and signaling
<a name=3D"cl-111" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>flows, the =
operation of the network in the presence of multiple BRs,
<a name=3D"cl-112" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>and the =
labeling of packets travelling over the 6TSCH network.
<a name=3D"cl-113" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>This =
document will be informational.
<a name=3D"cl-114" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-115" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>6. Produce =
"TSCH overview" to describe the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH standard in the
<a name=3D"cl-116" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>LLN context. =
This document will present protocol highlights, and identify
<a name=3D"cl-117" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>the elements =
that need to be handled by the upper layers.
<a name=3D"cl-118" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>This =
document will be informational.
<a name=3D"cl-119" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-120" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The working =
group will continue to reuse existing protocols and mechanisms
<a name=3D"cl-121" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>whenever =
reasonable and possible.
<a name=3D"cl-122" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-123" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>Non-milestone work items:
<a name=3D"cl-124" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>-------------------------
<a name=3D"cl-125" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-126" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>The Working =
Group will keep two running, often-respun documents:
<a name=3D"cl-127" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- =
implementers guide, collecting clarifying information based on input =
from
<a name=3D"cl-128" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); =
"></a>implementers, in particular as it becomes available from =
interoperability
<a name=3D"cl-129" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>events.
<a name=3D"cl-130" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>- =
interoperability guide, providing information for interoperability
<a name=3D"cl-131" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>events, such =
as temporary interoperability testing strategies or
<a name=3D"cl-132" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>information =
about test harnesses used for interoperability testing.
<a name=3D"cl-133" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>
<a name=3D"cl-134" style=3D"color: rgb(59, 115, 175); "></a>Both =
documents will be WG documents.</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: =
'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: =
static; z-index: auto; "><br></pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream =
Vera Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; =
z-index: 0; ">&lt;MB&gt;This last part looks weird. If there are wg =
documents, then they should be published as RFC, informational as I see. =
Why not? &lt;/MB&gt;</pre><pre style=3D"font-family: 'Bitstream Vera =
Sans Mono', 'DejaVu Sans Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 1.4; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative; =
z-index: 0; =
"><br></pre><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Le =
2013-04-07 =E0 09:21, Thomas Watteyne &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu">watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu</a>&=
gt; a =E9crit :</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style=3D"">As =
discussed during the webex yesterday, you will find the draft for a =
6TSCH charter at:</div><div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src">https://bitbuc=
ket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a><br>

</div><div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">Looking forward to =
receiving your comments on the ML,</div><div style=3D""><br></div><div =
style=3D"">Thomas</div></div>
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Hi all,

as said last Friday I want to share with you a brief summary on how NSIS 
can be used to transport and maintain QoS along a track. An open issue 
is how PCE can make use of NSIS to install scheduling configuration.

Note that maybe it is not possible to use NSIS for PCE centralized 
scheduling but as said we are exploring some alternatives.

Any suggestion, idea or proposal is welcome.

kind regards,
Xavi

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Hi,

On 08.04.2013 19:03, Xavier Vilajosana wrote:

> Note that maybe it is not possible to use NSIS for PCE centralized 
> scheduling but as said we are exploring some alternatives.

Please note that it is possible to use NSIS also for path-decoupled
signaling, e.g., if you have a PCE signaling to some device.

> GIST also provides peer discovery mechanism in case no routing state
>  is known in the network. As we assume RPL we don't consider the use
>  of QUERY messages from GIST to discover neighbor peers. However, 
> QUERY messages can also be used to discover if a certain QoS is 
> supported by other neighbors (i.e exploring for resources).

IMHO this is not fully correct or confuses different aspects:
"in case no routing state is known in the network" is only correct
if you are referring to GIST's signaling routing state. In that case
the first message is a (GIST) QUERY message that is usually sent
towards the data flow's destination and intercepted by the next
relevant GIST peer that wants to process the signaling message.
If the latter is willing to establish a signaling session it
continues a three-way handshake.
So this probing QUERY is a means to find/discover the next signaling
peer along a (given) network route.
I don't know RPL very well, but you cannot omit the GIST QUERY
message, just because you assume RPL for route establishment.
Sending the QUERY will simply follow a route that is established by
RPL.

The other type of mentioned QUERY message is at QoS NSLP layer
(no to be confused with the GIST/NTLP layer) and it is optional,
whereas the GIST QUERY message is always required for establishing
the NTLP/GIST signaling session.

> Note that the baseline message routing functionality in GIST is that 
> signaling messages follow a route defined by an existing flow in the 
> network (i.e RPL),  visiting a subset of the nodes through which it 
> passes.  This is the  appropriate behavior for application scenarios 
> where the purpose of the signaling is to manipulate resources for 
> that flow as is our case.

To be more precise: GIST finds/discovers all relevant nodes along a
flow's data path in order to allocate/manipulate resources for
that data flow. However, path-coupled signaling is only one possible
(signaling) message routing method. As I said, it's possible to
implement others (we implemented a so called explicit signaling target
MRM). We also added multicast support to GIST and QoS NSLP.

> With that in mind, I will welcome any idea or suggestion on whether
> it is possible or not to extend QSPEC messages [RFC5975] so a PCE
> oriented message can be transported using the NSIS QoS
> specification.

It should be no problem to define additional QoS parameters
within the QSPEC template if needed (cf. sec 4.4 of RFC5975).
It is also easy to add additional QoS NSLP objects if the QSPEC
template isn't a good match...,e.g., we augmented a QoS NSLP
message with addressing information in order to set up
virtual links.

Regards,
 Roland


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Hello Roland:

Thanks a bunch for this.

Please note that the first comment we got when we introduced NSIS in the di=
scussion is that it is a rather large piece of code to be included in memor=
y and CPU constrained devices.
Would you have any comment on that ?

Pascal


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Hi,

On 08.04.2013 19:03, Xavier Vilajosana wrote:

> Note that maybe it is not possible to use NSIS for PCE centralized=20
> scheduling but as said we are exploring some alternatives.

Please note that it is possible to use NSIS also for path-decoupled signali=
ng, e.g., if you have a PCE signaling to some device.

> GIST also provides peer discovery mechanism in case no routing state =20
> is known in the network. As we assume RPL we don't consider the use =20
> of QUERY messages from GIST to discover neighbor peers. However, QUERY=20
> messages can also be used to discover if a certain QoS is supported by=20
> other neighbors (i.e exploring for resources).

IMHO this is not fully correct or confuses different aspects:
"in case no routing state is known in the network" is only correct if you a=
re referring to GIST's signaling routing state. In that case the first mess=
age is a (GIST) QUERY message that is usually sent towards the data flow's =
destination and intercepted by the next relevant GIST peer that wants to pr=
ocess the signaling message.
If the latter is willing to establish a signaling session it continues a th=
ree-way handshake.
So this probing QUERY is a means to find/discover the next signaling peer a=
long a (given) network route.
I don't know RPL very well, but you cannot omit the GIST QUERY message, jus=
t because you assume RPL for route establishment.
Sending the QUERY will simply follow a route that is established by RPL.

The other type of mentioned QUERY message is at QoS NSLP layer (no to be co=
nfused with the GIST/NTLP layer) and it is optional, whereas the GIST QUERY=
 message is always required for establishing the NTLP/GIST signaling sessio=
n.

> Note that the baseline message routing functionality in GIST is that=20
> signaling messages follow a route defined by an existing flow in the=20
> network (i.e RPL),  visiting a subset of the nodes through which it=20
> passes.  This is the  appropriate behavior for application scenarios=20
> where the purpose of the signaling is to manipulate resources for that=20
> flow as is our case.

To be more precise: GIST finds/discovers all relevant nodes along a flow's =
data path in order to allocate/manipulate resources for that data flow. How=
ever, path-coupled signaling is only one possible
(signaling) message routing method. As I said, it's possible to implement o=
thers (we implemented a so called explicit signaling target MRM). We also a=
dded multicast support to GIST and QoS NSLP.

> With that in mind, I will welcome any idea or suggestion on whether it=20
> is possible or not to extend QSPEC messages [RFC5975] so a PCE=20
> oriented message can be transported using the NSIS QoS specification.

It should be no problem to define additional QoS parameters within the QSPE=
C template if needed (cf. sec 4.4 of RFC5975).
It is also easy to add additional QoS NSLP objects if the QSPEC template is=
n't a good match...,e.g., we augmented a QoS NSLP message with addressing i=
nformation in order to set up virtual links.

Regards,
 Roland

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Hi,

On 10.04.2013 17:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Thanks a bunch for this.
> 
> Please note that the first comment we got when we introduced NSIS in the discussion is that it is a rather large piece of code to be included in memory and CPU constrained devices.
> Would you have any comment on that ?

Sure, as an implementer we have some rough idea about the complexity.
In our C++ Linux-based implementation (http://nsis-ka.org/) we
have roughly 32,000 sloc for GIST and 18,000+4,000 sloc for QoS NSLP
+QSPEC resulting in several MBytes of executable. So NSIS has maybe some
functionality (e.g., mobility support) and extensibility that is not
strictly required in your particular scenario. However, we never
had a focus on a lightweight implementation rather than a nearly
complete and easy to test prototype.

Regards,
 Roland


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Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has received an ETSI request to =
change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.

These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.15.4e not backward comp=
atible.

Please see the e-mail below.

Robert Assimiti


From: ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.=
org] On Behalf Of Bob Heile
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To: STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted by ETSI =
TC ERM

Dear 802.15 Participants and Interested Parties--

As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).  Since th=
ese proposed changes impact backward compatibility for some uses of IEEE 80=
2.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is soliciting input from Standard Developme=
nt Organizations (SDOs), Industry Associations, businesses, and individuals=
 that may have an interest in the outcome, before deciding on a course of a=
ction.

The proposed changes are summarized here:
*         Use a Frame Type ID value, as an extension, to indicate that the =
following bits are new Frame types,
*         Restructure Information Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned t=
o external SDOs
*         Change the order of the Information Element Length and Type field=
s.

The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document 15-13-0220-02-00=
00<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-reque=
st-for-participation.docx>. (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx)

Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.  Alternatively, if attendance and direct participation is not possible, c=
ommenters are invited to submit a document, declaring their stance and how =
the changes, either implemented or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. =
These should be sent to Bob Heile, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney, Vice Cha=
ir 802.15 (bheile@ieee.org<mailto:bheile@ieee.org>, pat.kinney@ieee.org<mai=
lto:pat.kinney@ieee.org>)

The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.  More information on this me=
eting can be found at http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Pla=
n.html).



Bob Heile, Ph.D
Chairman Emeritus & Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ***** IE=
EE stds-802-15 General List ***** [<a href=3D"mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org=
">mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Heile<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG">STDS-802-WPAN=
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted b=
y ETSI TC ERM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear 802.15 Participa=
nts and Interested Parties--<br>
<br>
As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).&nbsp; Sin=
ce these proposed changes impact backward
 compatibility for some uses of IEEE 802.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is s=
oliciting input from Standard Development Organizations (SDOs), Industry As=
sociations, businesses, and individuals that may have an interest in the ou=
tcome, before deciding on a course
 of action.<br>
<br>
The proposed changes are summarized here:<br>
&middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Use a Frame Type I=
D value, as an extension, to indicate that the following bits are new Frame=
 types,
<br>
&middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Restructure Inform=
ation Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned to external SDOs
<br>
&middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Change the order o=
f the Information Element <i>Length</i> and <i>Type</i> fields.<br>
<br>
The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document
<a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-=
wg-request-for-participation.docx">
15-13-0220-02-0000</a>. (<i><a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15">http=
s://mentor.ieee.org/802.15</a><br>
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx</i>)<br=
>
<br>
Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.&nbsp; Alternatively, if attendance
 and direct participation is not possible, commenters are invited to submit=
 a document, declaring their stance and how the changes, either implemented=
 or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. These should be sent to Bob Hei=
le, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney,
 Vice Chair 802.15 (<a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a>,=
 <a href=3D"mailto:pat.kinney@ieee.org">
pat.kinney@ieee.org</a>)<br>
<br>
The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.&nbsp; More information on th=
is meeting can be found at
<a href=3D"http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)">ht=
tp://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Bob Heile, Ph.D<br>
Chairman Emeritus &amp; Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance<br>
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks<br>
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications<br>
11 Robert Toner Blvd<br>
Suite 5-301<br>
North Attleboro, MA&nbsp; 02763&nbsp;&nbsp; USA<br>
Mobile: &#43;1-781-929-4832<br>
email:&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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All,

Within this group, we have several implementations ongoing/running of
IEEE802.15.4e, and we will hopefully soon start talking about interop. To
simplify testing and development, it would be fantastic to be able to
analyze packets in Wireshark.

Wireshark's ZEP dissector [1] allows one to very easily inject packet from
a USB connected mote. ZEP indicates the frequency the packet was received
on, so one can imagine having 16 different USB boards, each sniffing a
different frequencies. We could have those boards actually synchronize to
the network, and report the ASN the packet was received on in the timestamp
field of the ZEP header. This would allow us to reconstruct the exact data
exchange, also in time. Finally, using a tun interface can be an
alternative to ZEP, also in Windows [2].

The last piece missing then is a IEEE802.15.4e TSCH dissector. I am not
aware of any in Wireshark, but we might have just the right Wireshark
dissector-guru in this group. Any volunteers for writing such a dissector?

Thomas

[1] http://wiki.wireshark.org/IEEE_802.15.4
[2] https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5373971

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Within this group, we have several=
 implementations ongoing/running of IEEE802.15.4e, and we will hopefully so=
on start talking about interop. To simplify testing and development, it wou=
ld be fantastic to be able to analyze packets in Wireshark.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Wireshark&#39;s ZEP dissector [1] allows one to very ea=
sily inject packet from a USB connected mote. ZEP indicates the frequency t=
he packet was received on, so one can imagine having 16 different USB board=
s, each sniffing a different frequencies. We could have those boards actual=
ly synchronize to the network, and report the ASN the packet was received o=
n in the timestamp field of the ZEP header. This would allow us to reconstr=
uct the exact data exchange, also in time. Finally, using a tun interface c=
an be an alternative to ZEP, also in Windows [2].</div>


<div><br></div><div>The last piece missing then is a IEEE802.15.4e TSCH dis=
sector. I am not aware of any in Wireshark, but we might have just the righ=
t Wireshark dissector-guru in this group. Any volunteers for writing such a=
 dissector?</div>


<div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div><br></div><div>[1]=A0<a href=3D"http:/=
/wiki.wireshark.org/IEEE_802.15.4" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.wireshark.=
org/IEEE_802.15.4</a></div><div>[2]=A0<a href=3D"https://openwsn.atlassian.=
net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3D5373971" target=3D"_blank">https://=
openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3D5373971</a></div>


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Dear all:

Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday.

The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on the=
 current draft:

  *   update work on PANA [Yoshi]                          5mn
  *   Conclude work on NSIS [Xavi, John]                 5mn
  *   Review / finalize archi 01 [Pascal]                  5mn
  *   discuss charter:                                              45mn
Note: the charter WIP came be found here: https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/chart=
er-ietf-6tsch/src
Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff in this list,
... and remember that the call will be recorded ...
Cheers;
Thomas and Pascal

Call info :

Topic:    6TSCH Weekly

Date:     Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014

Time:     8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)

Meeting Number:           206 802 913

Meeting Password:         sixtus

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSC=
H call Friday.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The focus will be on the preparation of=
 a charter, with a discussion on the current draft:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
update work on <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">PANA [Yoshi]<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span></i></b>5mn <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Conc=
lude work on NSIS [Xavi, J<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">o</span>hn]<span st=
yle=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;
</span><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Revi=
ew / finalize archi 01 [Pascal]&nbsp;&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span>5=
mn<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;
</span><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">disc=
uss charter:<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<b><i></i></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 45mn&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Note: the charter WIP came be found here:</span>
<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src">https://bitb=
ucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff =
in this list,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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indowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">&#8230; and remember that the call will be recorded &#8230;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Cheers;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Thomas and Pascal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;">Call info :
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Topic:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6TSCH Weekly<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Every Fri=
day, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Time:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8:00 am, =
Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Meeting Number:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 206 802 913<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"ReplyForwardToFromDate">Meeting Password:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sixtus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>To start the online meeting<o:p></o:p></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Go to <a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.co=
m/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp=
;RT=3DMiM0">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">2.&nbsp;&nbsp; Log in to your account.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">3.&nbsp;&nbsp; Click &#8220;Start Now&#8221;.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoList">4.&nbsp;&nbsp; Follow the instructions that appear on =
your screen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<o:p></=
o:p></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903=
 for the San Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">Please dial the local access number for your area =
from the list below:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !support=
Lists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&=
middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:&nbsp; 525-6800=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListBullet" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !support=
Lists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&=
middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>RTP (919) area:&nbsp; 392-3330<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1>To join the teleconference only <o:p></o:p></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h2>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dial into Cisco WebE=
x (view all Global Access Numbers at <o:p></o:p></h2>
<h2><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/ind=
ex.html%20%0d2">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/in=
dex.html
</a><span class=3D"MsoHyperlink"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<h2><span class=3D"MsoHyperlink"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/=
US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2">2</a></span></span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Co=
de followed by the # sign.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">San Jose, CA: &#43;1.408.525.6800&nbsp; RTP: &#43;=
1.919.392.3330 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">US/Canada: &#43;1.866.432.9903&nbsp; United Kingdo=
m: &#43;44.20.8824.0117
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">India: &#43;91.80.4350.1111&nbsp; Germany: &#43;49=
.619.6773.9002 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">Japan: &#43;81.3.5763.9394&nbsp; China: &#43;86.10=
.8515.5666<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">To check whether you have the appropriate players =
installed for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoBodyText">CCM:&#43;14085256800x206802913# <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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People should review and comment to IEEE.

The frame id changes would be backward compatible =97 this work should have=
 been done some time ago (IMHO).

Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible manner, though p=
eople may have used unregistered or managed IE's that could be impacted.

The third issue may be larger for existing implementations that use e4 ie's=
 =96 there is disagreement as the appropriate ordering of the parameters.

Larry Taylor's presentation is at -

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-802-15-4-use-by-ex=
ternal-sdos.pdf

Now resuming your regular IETF content -

tom


From: Robert Assimiti <robert.assimiti@nivis.com<mailto:robert.assimiti@niv=
is.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:26 PM
To: "6tsch@ietf.org<mailto:6tsch@ietf.org>" <6tsch@ietf.org<mailto:6tsch@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: [6tsch] IEEE considering proposed changes to 802.15.4e

Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has received an ETSI request to =
change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.

These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.15.4e not backward comp=
atible.

Please see the e-mail below.

Robert Assimiti


From: ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.=
org] On Behalf Of Bob Heile
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM
To: STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted by ETSI =
TC ERM

Dear 802.15 Participants and Interested Parties--

As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).  Since th=
ese proposed changes impact backward compatibility for some uses of IEEE 80=
2.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is soliciting input from Standard Developme=
nt Organizations (SDOs), Industry Associations, businesses, and individuals=
 that may have an interest in the outcome, before deciding on a course of a=
ction.

The proposed changes are summarized here:
=B7         Use a Frame Type ID value, as an extension, to indicate that th=
e following bits are new Frame types,
=B7         Restructure Information Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned=
 to external SDOs
=B7         Change the order of the Information Element Length and Type fie=
lds.

The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document 15-13-0220-02-00=
00<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-reque=
st-for-participation.docx>. (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx)

Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.  Alternatively, if attendance and direct participation is not possible, c=
ommenters are invited to submit a document, declaring their stance and how =
the changes, either implemented or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. =
These should be sent to Bob Heile, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney, Vice Cha=
ir 802.15 (bheile@ieee.org<mailto:bheile@ieee.org>, pat.kinney@ieee.org<mai=
lto:pat.kinney@ieee.org>)

The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.  More information on this me=
eting can be found at http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Pla=
n.html).



Bob Heile, Ph.D
Chairman Emeritus & Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
11 Robert Toner Blvd
Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA  02763   USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
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<div>People should review and comment to IEEE. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The frame id changes would be backward compatible =97 this work should=
 have been done some time ago (IMHO).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible manner, tho=
ugh people may have used unregistered or managed IE's that could be impacte=
d.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The third issue may be larger for existing implementations that use e4=
 ie's =96 there is disagreement as the appropriate ordering of the paramete=
rs.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Larry Taylor's presentation is at -&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-80=
2-15-4-use-by-external-sdos.pdf" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: und=
erline; ">https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-802-15-4=
-use-by-external-sdos.pdf</a></div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now resuming your regular IETF content -</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>tom</div>
<div><br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Robert Assimiti &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:robert.assimiti@nivis.com">robert.assimiti@nivis.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:2=
6 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:6tsch@i=
etf.org">6tsch@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:6tsch@ietf.org">6ts=
ch@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[6tsch] IEEE considering p=
roposed changes to 802.15.4e<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has recei=
ved an ETSI request to change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.<o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.=
15.4e not backward compatible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please see the e-mail below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Taho=
ma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fami=
ly: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** [<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org">mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Heile<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG">STDS-802-WPAN=
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted b=
y ETSI TC ERM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear 802.15 Participa=
nts and Interested Parties--<br>
<br>
As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).&nbsp; Sin=
ce these proposed changes impact backward
 compatibility for some uses of IEEE 802.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is s=
oliciting input from Standard Development Organizations (SDOs), Industry As=
sociations, businesses, and individuals that may have an interest in the ou=
tcome, before deciding on a course
 of action.<br>
<br>
The proposed changes are summarized here:<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Use a Frame Type ID val=
ue, as an extension, to indicate that the following bits are new Frame type=
s,
<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Restructure Information=
 Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned to external SDOs
<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Change the order of the=
 Information Element <i>Length</i> and <i>Type</i> fields.<br>
<br>
The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document
<a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-=
wg-request-for-participation.docx">
15-13-0220-02-0000</a>. (<i><a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15">http=
s://mentor.ieee.org/802.15</a><br>
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx</i>)<br=
>
<br>
Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.&nbsp; Alternatively, if attendance
 and direct participation is not possible, commenters are invited to submit=
 a document, declaring their stance and how the changes, either implemented=
 or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. These should be sent to Bob Hei=
le, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney,
 Vice Chair 802.15 (<a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a>,=
 <a href=3D"mailto:pat.kinney@ieee.org">
pat.kinney@ieee.org</a>)<br>
<br>
The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.&nbsp; More information on th=
is meeting can be found at
<a href=3D"http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)">ht=
tp://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Bob Heile, Ph.D<br>
Chairman Emeritus &amp; Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance<br>
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks<br>
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications<br>
11 Robert Toner Blvd<br>
Suite 5-301<br>
North Attleboro, MA&nbsp; 02763&nbsp;&nbsp; USA<br>
Mobile: &#43;1-781-929-4832<br>
email:&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a><o=
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Tom - I'm surprised the you seem to be in favor of this.  I agree that 
there are some things in 4e that should have been done some time ago.  
But the fact is that they weren't.  No standard is perfect.  If these 
were really egregious errors they would have been fixed earlier.
In fact, it's clear that none of these things *needs* to be changed.  
It's just a question of convenience - the convenience of another 
standards body that doesn't see things exactly the same way as the group 
that voted on 4e.  Some of the suggested changes are just plain bad.  
They will re-open long arguments that don't need to be re-opened, and 
once again retard the ever-so-gentle swell of momentum that we seem to 
be experiencing.

I am opposed to changing 4e in any way.  It was the work of many people 
over five years, and it's done.  It should stay done.

ksjp

On 4/11/2013 4:06 PM, Thomas Herbst wrote:
> People should review and comment to IEEE.
>
> The frame id changes would be backward compatible --- this work should 
> have been done some time ago (IMHO).
>
> Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible manner, 
> though people may have used unregistered or managed IE's that could be 
> impacted.
>
> The third issue may be larger for existing implementations that use e4 
> ie's -- there is disagreement as the appropriate ordering of the 
> parameters.
>
> Larry Taylor's presentation is at -
>
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-802-15-4-use-by-external-sdos.pdf
>
> Now resuming your regular IETF content -
>
> tom
>
>
> From: Robert Assimiti <robert.assimiti@nivis.com 
> <mailto:robert.assimiti@nivis.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: "6tsch@ietf.org <mailto:6tsch@ietf.org>" <6tsch@ietf.org 
> <mailto:6tsch@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [6tsch] IEEE considering proposed changes to 802.15.4e
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has received an ETSI 
> request to change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.
>
> These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.15.4e not backward 
> compatible.
>
> Please see the e-mail below.
>
> *Robert Assimiti*
>
> *From:****** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** 
> [mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Heile
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM
> *To:* STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> <mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> *Subject:* [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted 
> by ETSI TC ERM
>
> Dear 802.15 Participants and Interested Parties--
>
> As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work 
> Group (WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant 
> changes to IEEE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks 
> (LR-WPANs). Since these proposed changes impact backward compatibility 
> for some uses of IEEE 802.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is soliciting 
> input from Standard Development Organizations (SDOs), Industry 
> Associations, businesses, and individuals that may have an interest in 
> the outcome, before deciding on a course of action.
>
> The proposed changes are summarized here:
> ·         Use a Frame Type ID value, as an extension, to indicate that 
> the following bits are new Frame types,
> ·         Restructure Information Element IDs to allow IDs to be 
> assigned to external SDOs
> ·         Change the order of the Information Element /Length/ and 
> /Type/ fields.
>
> The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward 
> compatibility. Further information on this matter can be found in 
> document 15-13-0220-02-0000 
> <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx>. 
> (/https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15
> /dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx/)
>
> Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these 
> changes were implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, 
> attend, and present their opinion for discussion and debate at the May 
> IEEE 802.15 Meeting.  Alternatively, if attendance and direct 
> participation is not possible, commenters are invited to submit a 
> document, declaring their stance and how the changes, either 
> implemented or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. These should be 
> sent to Bob Heile, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney, Vice Chair 802.15 
> (bheile@ieee.org <mailto:bheile@ieee.org>, pat.kinney@ieee.org 
> <mailto:pat.kinney@ieee.org>)
>
> The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 
> at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.  More information 
> on this meeting can be found at 
> http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html) 
> <http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html%29>.
>
>
> Bob Heile, Ph.D
> Chairman Emeritus & Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance
> Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks
> Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
> 11 Robert Toner Blvd
> Suite 5-301
> North Attleboro, MA  02763   USA
> Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
> email: bheile@ieee.org <mailto:bheile@ieee.org>
>
>
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    Tom - I'm surprised the you seem to be in favor of this.&nbsp; I agree
    that there are some things in 4e that should have been done some
    time ago.&nbsp; But the fact is that they weren't.&nbsp; No standard is
    perfect.&nbsp; If these were really egregious errors they would have been
    fixed earlier.&nbsp; <br>
    In fact, it's clear that none of these things *needs* to be
    changed.&nbsp; It's just a question of convenience - the convenience of
    another standards body that doesn't see things exactly the same way
    as the group that voted on 4e.&nbsp; Some of the suggested changes are
    just plain bad.&nbsp; They will re-open long arguments that don't need to
    be re-opened, and once again retard the ever-so-gentle swell of
    momentum that we seem to be experiencing.<br>
    <br>
    I am opposed to changing 4e in any way.&nbsp; It was the work of many
    people over five years, and it's done.&nbsp; It should stay done.<br>
    <br>
    ksjp<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/2013 4:06 PM, Thomas Herbst
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>People should review and comment to IEEE. &nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The frame id changes would be backward compatible &#8212; this work
        should have been done some time ago (IMHO).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible
        manner, though people may have used unregistered or managed IE's
        that could be impacted.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The third issue may be larger for existing implementations
        that use e4 ie's &#8211; there is disagreement as the appropriate
        ordering of the parameters.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Larry Taylor's presentation is at -&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-802-15-4-use-by-external-sdos.pdf</a></div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Now resuming your regular IETF content -</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>tom</div>
      <div><br>
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Just wanted to let everyone know that
                IEEE has received an ETSI request to change various
                things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">These changes would most definitely
                render IEEE 802.15.4e not backward compatible.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Please see the e-mail below.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert
                    Assimiti<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
              <div
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                    font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
                  sans-serif; "> ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List
                  ***** [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org">mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Heile<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG">STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes
                  to 15.4e submitted by ETSI TC ERM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                802.15 Participants and Interested Parties--<br>
                <br>
                As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE
                802.15 Work Group (WG) is in the process of considering
                a number of significant changes to IEEE 802.15.4,
                Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).&nbsp;
                Since these proposed changes impact backward
                compatibility for some uses of IEEE 802.15.4e-2012, the
                Working Group is soliciting input from Standard
                Development Organizations (SDOs), Industry Associations,
                businesses, and individuals that may have an interest in
                the outcome, before deciding on a course of action.<br>
                <br>
                The proposed changes are summarized here:<br>
                &middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Use a Frame Type ID value, as an extension, to
                indicate that the following bits are new Frame types,
                <br>
                &middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Restructure Information Element IDs to allow
                IDs to be assigned to external SDOs
                <br>
                &middot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Change the order of the Information Element <i>Length</i>
                and <i>Type</i> fields.<br>
                <br>
                The latter two are the ones potentially affecting
                backward compatibility. Further information on this
                matter can be found in document
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx">15-13-0220-02-0000</a>.
                (<i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15">https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15</a><br>
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx</i>)<br>
                <br>
                Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either
                because these changes were implemented or not
                implemented, is invited to register, attend, and present
                their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE
                802.15 Meeting.&nbsp; Alternatively, if attendance and direct
                participation is not possible, commenters are invited to
                submit a document, declaring their stance and how the
                changes, either implemented or not, impact their use of
                IEEE 802.15.4. These should be sent to Bob Heile, Chair
                802.15 and/or Pat Kinney, Vice Chair 802.15 (<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a>,
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:pat.kinney@ieee.org">
                  pat.kinney@ieee.org</a>)<br>
                <br>
                The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May
                12-17, 2013 at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island,
                HI, USA.&nbsp; More information on this meeting can be found
                at
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html%29">http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)</a>.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p>Bob Heile, Ph.D<br>
                Chairman Emeritus &amp; Chief Technologist, ZigBee
                Alliance<br>
                Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal
                Area Networks<br>
                Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid
                Communications<br>
                11 Robert Toner Blvd<br>
                Suite 5-301<br>
                North Attleboro, MA&nbsp; 02763&nbsp;&nbsp; USA<br>
                Mobile: +1-781-929-4832<br>
                email:&nbsp;&nbsp; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:bheile@ieee.org">bheile@ieee.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Again, I think this is and IEEE discussion, not an IETF discussion, but I'l=
l bite.
I would encourage you (and others) to submit those opinions for the May 802=
 meeting.

The frame type change is needed just for IEEE work - the last free bit was =
just allocated.
Doing nothing is not really an option here and (imho) this should have been=
 done long ago.

Managing the IE's in a way that others could get allocation is minor.

We could live with the TLV that are LTV's, but would like the issue decided=
 one way or another as quickly as possible.


tom
________________________________
From: 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Kris Pis=
ter [pister@eecs.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:04 PM
To: 6tsch@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6tsch] IEEE considering proposed changes to 802.15.4e

Tom - I'm surprised the you seem to be in favor of this.  I agree that ther=
e are some things in 4e that should have been done some time ago.  But the =
fact is that they weren't.  No standard is perfect.  If these were really e=
gregious errors they would have been fixed earlier.
In fact, it's clear that none of these things *needs* to be changed.  It's =
just a question of convenience - the convenience of another standards body =
that doesn't see things exactly the same way as the group that voted on 4e.=
  Some of the suggested changes are just plain bad.  They will re-open long=
 arguments that don't need to be re-opened, and once again retard the ever-=
so-gentle swell of momentum that we seem to be experiencing.

I am opposed to changing 4e in any way.  It was the work of many people ove=
r five years, and it's done.  It should stay done.

ksjp

On 4/11/2013 4:06 PM, Thomas Herbst wrote:
People should review and comment to IEEE.

The frame id changes would be backward compatible =97 this work should have=
 been done some time ago (IMHO).

Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible manner, though p=
eople may have used unregistered or managed IE's that could be impacted.

The third issue may be larger for existing implementations that use e4 ie's=
 =96 there is disagreement as the appropriate ordering of the parameters.

Larry Taylor's presentation is at -

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-802-15-4-use-by-ex=
ternal-sdos.pdf

Now resuming your regular IETF content -

tom


From: Robert Assimiti <robert.assimiti@nivis.com<mailto:robert.assimiti@niv=
is.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:26 PM
To: "6tsch@ietf.org<mailto:6tsch@ietf.org>" <6tsch@ietf.org<mailto:6tsch@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: [6tsch] IEEE considering proposed changes to 802.15.4e

Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has received an ETSI request to =
change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.

These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.15.4e not backward comp=
atible.

Please see the e-mail below.

Robert Assimiti


From: ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.=
org] On Behalf Of Bob Heile
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM
To: STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted by ETSI =
TC ERM

Dear 802.15 Participants and Interested Parties--

As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).  Since th=
ese proposed changes impact backward compatibility for some uses of IEEE 80=
2.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is soliciting input from Standard Developme=
nt Organizations (SDOs), Industry Associations, businesses, and individuals=
 that may have an interest in the outcome, before deciding on a course of a=
ction.

The proposed changes are summarized here:
=B7         Use a Frame Type ID value, as an extension, to indicate that th=
e following bits are new Frame types,
=B7         Restructure Information Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned=
 to external SDOs
=B7         Change the order of the Information Element Length and Type fie=
lds.

The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document 15-13-0220-02-00=
00<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-reque=
st-for-participation.docx>. (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx)

Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.  Alternatively, if attendance and direct participation is not possible, c=
ommenters are invited to submit a document, declaring their stance and how =
the changes, either implemented or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. =
These should be sent to Bob Heile, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney, Vice Cha=
ir 802.15 (bheile@ieee.org<mailto:bheile@ieee.org>, pat.kinney@ieee.org<mai=
lto:pat.kinney@ieee.org>)

The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.  More information on this me=
eting can be found at http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Pla=
n.html)<http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html%29>.



Bob Heile, Ph.D
Chairman Emeritus & Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
11 Robert Toner Blvd
Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA  02763   USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
email:   bheile@ieee.org<mailto:bheile@ieee.org>




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10pt;">Again, I think this is and IEEE discussion, not an IETF discussion, =
but I'll bite.
<div>I would encourage you (and others) to submit those opinions for the Ma=
y 802 meeting. &nbsp;<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The frame type change is needed just for IEEE work - the last free bit=
 was just allocated.</div>
<div>Doing nothing is not really an option here and (imho) this should have=
 been done long ago.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Managing the IE's in a way that others could get allocation is minor.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We could live with the TLV that are LTV's, but would like the issue de=
cided one way or another as quickly as possible. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>tom<br>
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ces@ietf.org] on behalf of Kris Pister [pister@eecs.berkeley.edu]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 6tsch@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6tsch] IEEE considering proposed changes to 802.15.4e<=
br>
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<div>Tom - I'm surprised the you seem to be in favor of this.&nbsp; I agree=
 that there are some things in 4e that should have been done some time ago.=
&nbsp; But the fact is that they weren't.&nbsp; No standard is perfect.&nbs=
p; If these were really egregious errors they would
 have been fixed earlier.&nbsp; <br>
In fact, it's clear that none of these things *needs* to be changed.&nbsp; =
It's just a question of convenience - the convenience of another standards =
body that doesn't see things exactly the same way as the group that voted o=
n 4e.&nbsp; Some of the suggested changes
 are just plain bad.&nbsp; They will re-open long arguments that don't need=
 to be re-opened, and once again retard the ever-so-gentle swell of momentu=
m that we seem to be experiencing.<br>
<br>
I am opposed to changing 4e in any way.&nbsp; It was the work of many peopl=
e over five years, and it's done.&nbsp; It should stay done.<br>
<br>
ksjp<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 4/11/2013 4:06 PM, Thomas Herbst wrote:<b=
r>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>People should review and comment to IEEE. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The frame id changes would be backward compatible =97 this work should=
 have been done some time ago (IMHO).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Identifying the IE's can be done in a backwards compatible manner, tho=
ugh people may have used unregistered or managed IE's that could be impacte=
d.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The third issue may be larger for existing implementations that use e4=
 ie's =96 there is disagreement as the appropriate ordering of the paramete=
rs.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Larry Taylor's presentation is at -&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01-0mag-80=
2-15-4-use-by-external-sdos.pdf" style=3D"color:blue; text-decoration:under=
line" target=3D"_blank">https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0194-01=
-0mag-802-15-4-use-by-external-sdos.pdf</a></div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now resuming your regular IETF content -</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>tom</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wanted to let everyone know that IEEE has recei=
ved an ETSI request to change various things in the IEEE 802.15.4e spec.</p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These changes would most definitely render IEEE 802.=
15.4e not backward compatible.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please see the e-mail below.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Robert Assimiti</sp=
an></b></p>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-bottom:solid=0A=
                windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none; padding:0in">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:Tah=
oma,sans-serif"> ***** IEEE stds-802-15 General List ***** [<a href=3D"mail=
to:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@ieee.org<=
/a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Heile<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" target=3D"_bl=
ank">STDS-802-WPAN@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [802.15-GENERAL-LIST] Proposed Changes to 15.4e submitted b=
y ETSI TC ERM</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman',serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear 802.15 Participa=
nts and Interested Parties--<br>
<br>
As a result of input received from ETSI TC ERM, the IEEE 802.15 Work Group =
(WG) is in the process of considering a number of significant changes to IE=
EE 802.15.4, Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs).&nbsp; Sin=
ce these proposed changes impact backward
 compatibility for some uses of IEEE 802.15.4e-2012, the Working Group is s=
oliciting input from Standard Development Organizations (SDOs), Industry As=
sociations, businesses, and individuals that may have an interest in the ou=
tcome, before deciding on a course
 of action.<br>
<br>
The proposed changes are summarized here:<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Use a Frame Type ID val=
ue, as an extension, to indicate that the following bits are new Frame type=
s,
<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Restructure Information=
 Element IDs to allow IDs to be assigned to external SDOs
<br>
=B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Change the order of the=
 Information Element <i>Length</i> and <i>Type</i> fields.<br>
<br>
The latter two are the ones potentially affecting backward compatibility. F=
urther information on this matter can be found in document
<a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-=
wg-request-for-participation.docx" target=3D"_blank">
15-13-0220-02-0000</a>. (<i><a href=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15</a><br>
/dcn/13/15-13-0220-02-0000-802-15-wg-request-for-participation.docx</i>)<br=
>
<br>
Anybody who believes they would be impacted, either because these changes w=
ere implemented or not implemented, is invited to register, attend, and pre=
sent their opinion for discussion and debate at the May IEEE 802.15 Meeting=
.&nbsp; Alternatively, if attendance
 and direct participation is not possible, commenters are invited to submit=
 a document, declaring their stance and how the changes, either implemented=
 or not, impact their use of IEEE 802.15.4. These should be sent to Bob Hei=
le, Chair 802.15 and/or Pat Kinney,
 Vice Chair 802.15 (<a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">bh=
eile@ieee.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:pat.kinney@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">pat.kinney@ieee.or=
g</a>)<br>
<br>
The IEEE 802.15 Working Group's next meeting will be May 12-17, 2013 at the=
 Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA.&nbsp; More information on th=
is meeting can be found at
<a href=3D"http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html%29" =
target=3D"_blank">
http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/pub/Meeting_Plan.html)</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Bob Heile, Ph.D<br>
Chairman Emeritus &amp; Chief Technologist, ZigBee Alliance<br>
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks<br>
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications<br>
11 Robert Toner Blvd<br>
Suite 5-301<br>
North Attleboro, MA&nbsp; 02763&nbsp;&nbsp; USA<br>
Mobile: &#43;1-781-929-4832<br>
email:&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:bheile@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">bhe=
ile@ieee.org</a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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All,

I'm attaching the slides we can use to discuss the draft charter during the
call tomorrow, as well as the text itself.

As pointed out in the previous e-mail, please note that the latest versions
of both are available at https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src=
.

Thomas


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

>  Dear all:****
>
> ** **
>
> Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call Friday. ****
>
> ** **
>
> The focus will be on the preparation of a charter, with a discussion on
> the current draft:****
>
>    - update work on PANA [Yoshi]             *             *5mn ****
>    - Conclude work on NSIS [Xavi, John]                 5mn  ****
>    - Review / finalize archi 01 [Pascal]                  5mn  ****
>    - discuss charter:           **
>    45mn  ****
>
> Note: the charter WIP came be found here:
> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src ****
>
> Please let us know if you wish to add / change stuff in this list,****
>
> =85 and remember that the call will be recorded =85****
>
> Cheers;****
>
> Thomas and Pascal****
>
> ** **
>
> Call info : ****
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> Topic:    6TSCH Weekly****
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> Date:     Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 20=
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> Meeting Password:         sixtus****
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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>I&#39;m attaching the slides=
 we can use to discuss the draft charter during the call tomorrow, as well =
as the text itself.</div><div style><br></div><div style>As pointed out in =
the previous e-mail, please note that the latest versions of both are avail=
able at=A0<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src">ht=
tps://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a>.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Thomas</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Pasc=
al Thubert (pthubert) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisc=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear all:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSC=
H call Friday.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The focus will be on the preparation of=
 a charter, with a discussion on the current draft:<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>


<div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
update work on <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">PANA [Yoshi]<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 =A0</span></i></b>5mn <u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Conc=
lude work on NSIS [Xavi, J<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">o</span>hn]<span st=
yle=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0
</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0</span>5mn=
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0
</span><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Revi=
ew / finalize archi 01 [Pascal]=A0=A0
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 </span><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0</span>5mn<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0
</span><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">disc=
uss charter:<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
<b><i></i></b>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 </span>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 45mn=A0 <u></u><u></u></span><=
/li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">Note: the charter WIP came be found here:</span>
<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please let us know if you wish to add /=
 change stuff in this list,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">=85 and remember that the call will be recorded =85<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Cheers;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Thomas and Pascal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Call info :
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div>
<p>Topic:=A0=A0=A0 6TSCH Weekly<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Date:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, Ma=
rch 7, 2014<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Time:=A0=A0=A0=A0 8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:=
00)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Meeting Number:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 206 802 913<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p>Meeting Password:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sixtus<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>To start the online meeting<u></u><u></u></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p>1.=A0=A0 Go to <a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D21961=
5007&amp;UID=3D481905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_b=
lank">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481=
905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p>2.=A0=A0 Log in to your account.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>3.=A0=A0 Click =93Start Now=94.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>4.=A0=A0 Follow the instructions that appear on your screen.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>


<div style=3D"border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bot=
tom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:1.0pt 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<h1>ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<u></u>=
<u></u></h1>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
-----------------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p>
<p>The affected toll free numbers are: <a href=3D"tel:%28866%29%20432-9903"=
 value=3D"+18664329903" target=3D"_blank">(866) 432-9903</a> for the San Jo=
se/Milpitas area and <a href=3D"tel:%28866%29%20349-3520" value=3D"+1866349=
3520" target=3D"_blank">(866) 349-3520</a> for the RTP area.<u></u><u></u><=
/p>


<p>Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:<u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:=A0 525-6800<u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol"><span>=B7<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
</span></span></span><u></u>RTP (919) area:=A0 392-3330<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<h1>To join the teleconference only <u></u><u></u></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-----------=
--------------------------------------------
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<h2>1.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Acces=
s Numbers at <u></u><u></u></h2>
<h2><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/ind=
ex.html%20%0d2" target=3D"_blank">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_busine=
ss/conferencing/index.html
</a><span><u></u><u></u></span></h2>
<h2><span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business=
/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2" target=3D"_blank">2</a></span></span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
 Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Co=
de followed by the # sign.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p>
<p>San Jose, CA: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1.408.525.6800" value=3D"+14085256800" t=
arget=3D"_blank">+1.408.525.6800</a>=A0 RTP: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1.919.392.33=
30" value=3D"+19193923330" target=3D"_blank">+1.919.392.3330</a> <u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p>US/Canada: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1.866.432.9903" value=3D"+18664329903" targ=
et=3D"_blank">+1.866.432.9903</a>=A0 United Kingdom: <a href=3D"tel:%2B44.2=
0.8824.0117" value=3D"+442088240117" target=3D"_blank">+44.20.8824.0117</a>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>India: <a href=3D"tel:%2B91.80.4350.1111" value=3D"+918043501111" target=
=3D"_blank">+91.80.4350.1111</a>=A0 Germany: <a href=3D"tel:%2B49.619.6773.=
9002" value=3D"+4961967739002" target=3D"_blank">+49.619.6773.9002</a> <u><=
/u><u></u></p>


<p>Japan: <a href=3D"tel:%2B81.3.5763.9394" value=3D"+81357639394" target=
=3D"_blank">+81.3.5763.9394</a>=A0 China: <a href=3D"tel:%2B86.10.8515.5666=
" value=3D"+861085155666" target=3D"_blank">+86.10.8515.5666</a><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p>To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF (Uni=
versal Communications Format) rich media files, go to
<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;">https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/systemdiagnosis.php</span></a=
>.<u></u><u></u></p>


<p>CCM:+14085256800x206802913# <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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I have read the slides.  I don't know if I'll make the call today or
not. I am pleased by the progress and the very clear focus presented in
the slides.

slide 9:

"This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap a 6TSCH
 network, "

I think that this might be too big a statement.  I don't think that
6TSCH proposes to solve the *security* bootstraping, but rather the
bootstrapping of the schedule.  Perhaps that's implied by saying *6TSCH*
network, but it's easy to miss that.

I suggest changing this to:

 "This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap the 6TSCH
  aspects of the LLN and the IPv6 transit links"

<WG CO-CHAIR HAT ON>
***
*** Given the dependancy that draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-=
00=20
*** has on this work, I wonder if this "BOF" effort would like to suggest
*** text changes to the charter of the ROLL WG to the IESG.
***
*** Would this WG like to adopt the above work item?=20=20
***
</WG>

I suggest not setting milestone dates until after primary authors for=20
each work item have been found, and until chairs are selected.

As for the question about security:  I recommend that the initial
charter make security *solutions* out of scope.  Why? because we have
many solutions and many related problems and the various technologies
proposed (NSIS, RSVP, PCE3, etc) may have their own security solutions
already.=20=20=20

Then plan to recharter after the technologies are chosen in the
architecture, but before things are fully baked.

Every document will have a Security Considerations section, and this
needs to be written with the rest of the document, and should ask many
questions.=20

=2D-=20
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works=20



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Michael,
Thanks for going through the material. I'll make sure we discuss them in
today's call.
Thomas


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Michael Richardson
<mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>wrote:

>
> I have read the slides.  I don't know if I'll make the call today or
> not. I am pleased by the progress and the very clear focus presented in
> the slides.
>
> slide 9:
>
> "This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap a 6TSCH
>  network, "
>
> I think that this might be too big a statement.  I don't think that
> 6TSCH proposes to solve the *security* bootstraping, but rather the
> bootstrapping of the schedule.  Perhaps that's implied by saying *6TSCH*
> network, but it's easy to miss that.
>
> I suggest changing this to:
>
>  "This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap the 6TSCH
>   aspects of the LLN and the IPv6 transit links"
>
> <WG CO-CHAIR HAT ON>
> ***
> *** Given the dependancy that
> draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-00
> *** has on this work, I wonder if this "BOF" effort would like to suggest
> *** text changes to the charter of the ROLL WG to the IESG.
> ***
> *** Would this WG like to adopt the above work item?
> ***
> </WG>
>
> I suggest not setting milestone dates until after primary authors for
> each work item have been found, and until chairs are selected.
>
> As for the question about security:  I recommend that the initial
> charter make security *solutions* out of scope.  Why? because we have
> many solutions and many related problems and the various technologies
> proposed (NSIS, RSVP, PCE3, etc) may have their own security solutions
> already.
>
> Then plan to recharter after the technologies are chosen in the
> architecture, but before things are fully baked.
>
> Every document will have a Security Considerations section, and this
> needs to be written with the rest of the document, and should ask many
> questions.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>
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>Thanks for going through the material. I&#39;ll make sure we discuss them =
in today&#39;s call.</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thomas</div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr=
 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Michael Richardson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca" target=3D"_blank">mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>

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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I have read the slides. =A0I don&#39;t know if I&#39;ll make the call today=
 or<br>
not. I am pleased by the progress and the very clear focus presented in<br>
the slides.<br>
<br>
slide 9:<br>
<br>
&quot;This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap a 6TSCH<br>
=A0network, &quot;<br>
<br>
I think that this might be too big a statement. =A0I don&#39;t think that<b=
r>
6TSCH proposes to solve the *security* bootstraping, but rather the<br>
bootstrapping of the schedule. =A0Perhaps that&#39;s implied by saying *6TS=
CH*<br>
network, but it&#39;s easy to miss that.<br>
<br>
I suggest changing this to:<br>
<br>
=A0&quot;This document (or documents) will define how to bootstrap the 6TSC=
H<br>
=A0 aspects of the LLN and the IPv6 transit links&quot;<br>
<br>
&lt;WG CO-CHAIR HAT ON&gt;<br>
***<br>
*** Given the dependancy that draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-=
00<br>
*** has on this work, I wonder if this &quot;BOF&quot; effort would like to=
 suggest<br>
*** text changes to the charter of the ROLL WG to the IESG.<br>
***<br>
*** Would this WG like to adopt the above work item?<br>
***<br>
&lt;/WG&gt;<br>
<br>
I suggest not setting milestone dates until after primary authors for<br>
each work item have been found, and until chairs are selected.<br>
<br>
As for the question about security: =A0I recommend that the initial<br>
charter make security *solutions* out of scope. =A0Why? because we have<br>
many solutions and many related problems and the various technologies<br>
proposed (NSIS, RSVP, PCE3, etc) may have their own security solutions<br>
already.<br>
<br>
Then plan to recharter after the technologies are chosen in the<br>
architecture, but before things are fully baked.<br>
<br>
Every document will have a Security Considerations section, and this<br>
needs to be written with the rest of the document, and should ask many<br>
questions.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcr%2BIETF@sandelman.ca">mcr+IETF@=
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Hi Roland,
you said that NSIS will be suitable to support PCE management networks. 
Can you explain how NSIS will work in the following scenario:

" A PCE computes the schedule for a set of devices in a TSCH network, 
which includes information such as a collection of tuples 
<time_slot,ch_offset,destination_address,link_type> for each node in the 
set. The PCE needs to install that information in the schedule of each 
node meaning that each node has to receive that information."

 From your emails I have the intuition that:
1) QSPEC messages can be extended to carry that information.
2) NSIS QoS on GIST can be used to send the message along the route so 
each of the nodes in the set receive the configuration

However I don't see very clear how GIST will build the "path" to each of 
this nodes. Will it use a reverse-reservation (initiated from the receiver?)

Can you illustrate that scenario please?

X

On 10/04/13 13:15, Roland Bless wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10.04.2013 17:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>> Thanks a bunch for this.
>>
>> Please note that the first comment we got when we introduced NSIS in the discussion is that it is a rather large piece of code to be included in memory and CPU constrained devices.
>> Would you have any comment on that ?
> Sure, as an implementer we have some rough idea about the complexity.
> In our C++ Linux-based implementation (http://nsis-ka.org/) we
> have roughly 32,000 sloc for GIST and 18,000+4,000 sloc for QoS NSLP
> +QSPEC resulting in several MBytes of executable. So NSIS has maybe some
> functionality (e.g., mobility support) and extensibility that is not
> strictly required in your particular scenario. However, we never
> had a focus on a lightweight implementation rather than a nearly
> complete and easy to test prototype.
>
> Regards,
>   Roland
>


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On the 6tsch I wrote:

** Given the apparent dependancy that
   draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-00=20
   has on the 6tsch work, I wonder if this "BOF" effort would like to
   suggest text changes to the charter of the ROLL WG to the IESG.

** Would the 6tsch WG/BOF like to adopt the above work item?

In further thinking this morning while unblock the shower drain, I
realized that there are a number of additional options.


From=20draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-00:

>   It appears from the above sections that whether and the way RPL can
>   be applied for a given flow depends both on the deployment scenario
>   and on the class of application / traffic.  At a high level, this can
>   be summarized by the following matrix:
>
>
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>|   Phase \  Class    |   0       1       2       3       4       5    |
>+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
>|   Construction      |                   X       X       X       X    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>|   Planned startup   |                   X       X       X       X    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>|   Normal operation  |                           ?       ?       ?    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>|   Planned shutdown  |                   X       X       X       X    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>|Plant decommissioning|                   X       X       X       X    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>| Recovery and repair |   X       X       X       X       X       X    |
>+---------------------+------------------------------------------------+
>
> ? : typically usable for all but higher-rate classes 0,1 PS traffic
>
>                    Figure 1: RPL applicability matrix

my understanding is that "Normal Operation" is when the 6tsch schedules
are really necessary.  The rest of the time a non-timeslotted system
might be perfectedly acceptable.

So additional options would be for=20
   draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability
to become
   draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-nonnormal-applicability

and for a new document:
   draft-ietf-6tsch-rpl-industrial-normal-applicability

to come to exist.

This would mean that the current document would essentially declare
normal operation to be out of scope (punt at 6tsch for this), and for
the document to get finished.

That would remove 6tsch as a blocker for this document.
It's not the only option on how to do things.

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All,

You will find the minutes of the last webex below (thanks Xavi for taking
notes!). Please fix anything I might have missed directly in the e-mail and
reply.

The suggestions raised during the webex for the charter are filed at
https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issues.

These minutes are also available at https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/.

Thomas

---

Note: timestamps in PDT.

Present (alphabetically)
--------------------------

* Thomas Watteyne
* Pascal Thubert
* Alfredo Grieco
* Adrian Farrel
* Herman Storey
* Maria Rita Palattella
* Ted Lemon
* Tina Tsou
* Tom Phinney
* Xavi Vilajosana
* Yoshihiro Obha
* Dominique Barthel
* Gennaro Boggia

Recording
---------

* Webex recording (audio+slides,streaming)
*
https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=67438047&rKey=29d1816716c79280[65min]

Slides
------

* 130412_slides_webex.pptx: slides shared during the call

Agenda
------

* update work on PANA [Yoshihiro] [5min]
* Conclude work on NSIS [Xavi] [5min]
* Review / finalize archi 01 [Pascal] [5min]
* discuss charter [Thomas, all] [45min]

Minutes
-------

* [08.02] meeting starts
* [08.02] Context Pascal to Ted
    * Ted no opinion whether routing or internet area applies best for
6TSCH,
      but willing to help 6TSCH get IESG aware. Decision on whether Ted or
      Adrian can be taken later.
* [08.05] Pascal presents agenda
* [08.06] update work on PANA [Yoshihiro]
    * work on-going
    * 6 contributors
    * agreed on TOC
    * start analyzing gap
    * 3 phase for key management
    * discussion
        * [Pascal] From gap analysis, can we use existing standards?
        * [Yoshihiro] Depends on what requirements come up with. If need
new,
          we need to discuss next steps. This document describes more the
          architecture.
        * [Pascal] If we end up needing a new standard work, should be done
          in 6TSCH or in security area?
        * [Yoshihiro] Will depend on the requirements.
        * [Pascal] Will need to be open in the charter.
* [08.12] Conclude work on NSIS [Xavi]
    * has been doing lots of reading on NSIS.
    * NSIS clear fit for distributed scheduling in 6TSCH.
    * Yet, heavy implementation, and lots of signaling overhead.
    * Not clear whether can be used directly for transporting PCE signaling.
    * [Thomas] Could PCEP not be used for PCE-to-motes communication?
    * [Xavi] Probably.
    * [Pascal] NSIS is veyu heavy.
    * [Pascal] not a big deal is need PCEP and RSVP since very lean.
    * [Xavi] John is looking at PCEP.
* [08.19] update on draft-thubert-6tsch-architecture [Pascal]
    * Discussion hasn't moved much in last weeks
    * Yet we might want to incorporate DTLS and COAP
    * We not have a much clearer picture of the protocols, so we will be
able to
      submit a new version of the draft.
    * [Thomas] When could this submission be?
    * [Pascal] Possibly immediately.
* [08.23] discusion on draft charter [Thomas]
    * Thomas presents latest version of the draft charter
    * available at https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src
    * outline very conventional.
    * First part of presenting IEE802.15.4e:
        * focuses on the tsch mode of the 15.4e
        * 6tsch is adaptation layer
        * support both distribute and centralized scheduling approaches
        * focuses on the scheduling of such networks.
    * [Pascal] Are we limited to IEEE802.15.4e? Can we imagine other
        macs/phy in the future?
    * [Thomas] goal is to avoid discussions about other MAC layers that are
        not related at all.
    * [Thomas] however tsch is the most wide representation of the kind of
        networks we want to address
    * 3 scheduling approaches:
        * centralized PCE: entity out the network and pushes the schedule to
          the network
        * distributed resource reservation: signaling protocol used to
          establish pipes between source and destination
        * best effort: bootstrap case. best effort traffic class. smallest
          configuration to be able to inter-operate.
    * Multiple backbone routers:
        * transit links.
        * scale devices in the same subnet-> layout a high speed
backbone(RPL
           root, or 6LowPAN lbr), that is able to route to transit nodes
which
           moved to another subnet.
        * backbone router, was presented in orlando meeting.
    * [Tom] add "diversity" together with jitter,latency, loss. Diversity
        needs to continue on the backbone as part of the routing.
    * [Thomas] absolutely, will do.
        Filed at https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1
    * Include architecture recommendation on how to deal with multiple BBR,
how
       we aim to deal with synchronization, etc..
    * Coordination with IPSO,IoT6, ISA, IEEE. (assemble pieces from other
       groups).
    * [Herman] how to stablish a performance criteria on that networks.
       Specially for backbone. ISA100 differentiates between backhaul and
       backbone. What are the exact performance criteria which trigger a
switch
       between the two cases?
    * [Pascal] Currently, there is no item (and requirement) for backhaul,
       just BB. No particular plans on neighbor discovery, routing over the
       backhaul.
    * [Herman] Difference between BB and BH imporant in ISA100. BH can be
       used e.g. for inter-continental communication. 60% of automation is
done
       remotely.
    * [Thomas] We can have several good technocal discussions about how to
       split the management entity between close to the network and far.
From
       an administrative point of view, let's add this case to the backbone
       work
    * [Pascal] Placing constraints in terms on latency. Let's move that
       constraint on the architecture.
    * work items
    * Thomas will proxy comments from Michael richardson, who could not be
at
      the webex.
    * list of work items:
        * 6tus layer: adaptation layer. Michel suggests that bootstraping is
          too generic. This suggestion is captured in
          https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2
        * Centralized management. presence of a PCE. define how the pce
          communicates to the network and how it extracts information from
it.
        * distributed management. looking at NSIS and RSVP.
        * best effort: 6tsch minimal operation. No PCE nor Dist.SCheduling.
          Minimum set of things that can be done to stablish a minimal
traffic
          support. Local reservation. Very minimal set of requirements.
Initial
          setup of basic links.
        * 6tsch architecture. Put together all of pieces. Describing
          implementation, highlight differences of data flows.
        * TSCH overview: highlights of 15.4e tsch mode, and what is missing
          that 6TSCH needs to do.
    * Non-milestone work items:
        * implementors guide. sharing best practices of implementation.
        * coexistence: how 6tsch network can operate in the presence of
similar
          TSCH (ISA100.11a,Whart). make cohexistence simpler.
interoperability
          testing.
        * applicability statement. How it answer the requirements.
    * [Thomas] do we put security as a work item or do we integrate it on
        each work item?
    * [Pascal] Could be part of the architecture
    * [Tom] if security is everywhere put it at every work item.
    * [Thomas] Every document we generate needs to have a security section.
      We can create a separate work item in charter. Captured in
      https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/3
    * Milestone dates:
        * too early for that, let's wait
    * [Pascal] What should be doing now thinking on the BOF in Berlin?
    * [Ted] Having the charter ready for Berlin is good.
    * [Adrian]
        * Instead of milestones and dates, put work items in chronological
          order better.
        * Work out what is missing, and clean up the drafts.
        * Work out what you want to do in the BoF. Plan the agenda. Describe
          the environment,etc. Do a good planning is what would help on the
          BoF acceptance.
        * You will get questions about deployment use cases. Why would
people
          want to run IP on that particular IEEE networks. Rather than what
          could be done, answer what the needs are.
        * Good starting points:
            * http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/
            * RFC5434
            * RFC6771
* [09.15] meeting ends

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>You will find the minutes of the l=
ast webex below (thanks Xavi for taking notes!).=A0<span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Please fix anything I might have missed=
 directly in the e-mail and reply.</span></div>



<div><br></div><div>The suggestions raised during the webex for the charter=
 are filed at=A0<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/i=
ssues" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/iss=
ues</a>.</div>



<div><br></div><div>These minutes are also available at=A0<a href=3D"https:=
//bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6t=
sch/meetings/</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div><br>
</div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;cou=
rier new&#39;,monospace">Note: timestamps in PDT.</span><br></div><div><div=
><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"=
courier new, monospace">Present (alphabetically)</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">--------------------------</font=
></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><fo=
nt face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Thomas Watteyne</font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Pascal Thubert</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Alfredo Grieco</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Adrian Farrel</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Herman Storey</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Maria Rita Palattella</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Ted Lemon</font></div><div><fo=
nt face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Tina Tsou</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">* Tom Phinney</font></div><div><font face=3D"co=
urier new, monospace">* Xavi Vilajosana</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Yoshihiro Obha</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Dominique Barthel</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Gennaro Boggia</font></div><div><=
font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br>


</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Recording</font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">---------</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"cou=
rier new, monospace">* Webex recording (audio+slides,streaming)</font></div=
>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* <a href=3D"https://cisco.webex=
.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&amp;SP=3DMC&amp;rID=3D67438047&amp;rKey=3D2=
9d1816716c79280" target=3D"_blank">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.p=
hp?AT=3Dpb&amp;SP=3DMC&amp;rID=3D67438047&amp;rKey=3D29d1816716c79280</a> [=
65min]</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">Slides</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier n=
ew, monospace">------</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace=
"><br>


</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* 130412_slides_web=
ex.pptx: slides shared during the call</font></div><div><font face=3D"couri=
er new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospa=
ce">Agenda</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">------</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"courier n=
ew, monospace">* update work on PANA [Yoshihiro] [5min]</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Conclude work on NSIS [Xavi] [5min]</=
font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Review / finalize archi 01 [Pa=
scal] [5min]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* discu=
ss charter [Thomas, all] [45min]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new=
, monospace"><br>


</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Minutes</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">-------</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"courier=
 new, monospace">* [08.02] meeting starts</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.02] Context Pascal to Ted<=
/font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Ted no opi=
nion whether routing or internet area applies best for 6TSCH,</font></div><=
div>


<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 but willing to help 6TSCH=
 get IESG aware. Decision on whether Ted or</font></div><div><font face=3D"=
courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 Adrian can be taken later.</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.05] Pascal presents agenda=
</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.06] update work on PANA [Y=
oshihiro]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * =
work on-going</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 * 6 contributors</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * agreed on TOC</font></=
div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * start analyzing ga=
p</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * 3 phase =
for key management</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * discussion</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] From=
 gap analysis, can we use existing standards?</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Yoshihiro] Depends on what r=
equirements come up with. If need new,</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 we need to d=
iscuss next steps. This document describes more the</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 architecture.</font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] If=
 we end up needing a new standard work, should be done</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in 6TSCH or =
in security area?</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Yoshihiro] Will depend on the requirements.</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Will =
need to be open in the charter.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.12] Conclude work on NSIS =
[Xavi]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * has=
 been doing lots of reading on NSIS.=A0</font></div><div><font face=3D"cour=
ier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * NSIS clear fit for distributed scheduling in =
6TSCH.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Yet, heavy implementat=
ion, and lots of signaling overhead.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier=
 new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Not clear whether can be used directly for trans=
porting PCE signaling.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] Could PCEP no=
t be used for PCE-to-motes communication?</font></div><div><font face=3D"co=
urier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Xavi] Probably.</font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] NSIS is veyu heavy.</font><=
/div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] not a big dea=
l is need PCEP and RSVP since very lean.</font></div><div><font face=3D"cou=
rier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Xavi] John is looking at PCEP.</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.19] update on draft-thuber=
t-6tsch-architecture [Pascal]</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Discussion hasn&#39;t =
moved much in last weeks</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monosp=
ace">=A0 =A0 * Yet we might want to incorporate DTLS and COAP</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * We not have a much clea=
rer picture of the protocols, so we will be able to</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 submit a new version=
 of the draft.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 * [Thomas] When could this submission be?</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Possibly immediately.</font>=
</div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.23] discusion on draft cha=
rter [Thomas]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 * Thomas presents latest version of the draft charter</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * available at <a href=3D"htt=
ps://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src" target=3D"_blank">https://=
bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * outline very conventio=
nal.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * First=
 part of presenting IEE802.15.4e:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier ne=
w, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * focuses on the tsch mode of the 15.4e</font=
></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * 6tsch is adapt=
ation layer</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * support both distribute and centralized scheduling approaches</fo=
nt></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * focus=
es on the scheduling of such networks.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Are we limite=
d to IEEE802.15.4e? Can we imagine other</font></div><div><font face=3D"cou=
rier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 macs/phy in the future?</font></div><d=
iv><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] goal is to avoi=
d discussions about other MAC layers that are</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 not related at a=
ll.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thoma=
s] however tsch is the most wide representation of the kind of</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 networks we want=
 to address</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * 3 scheduling approache=
s:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 *=
 centralized PCE: entity out the network and pushes the schedule to</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 the net=
work</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * distributed re=
source reservation: signaling protocol used to</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 establish pipes between sou=
rce and destination</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * best effort: b=
ootstrap case. best effort traffic class. smallest</font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 configuration to be able=
 to inter-operate.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Multiple backbone rout=
ers:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 * transit links.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * scale devices in the same subnet-&gt; layout a high speed=
 backbone(RPL</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0root, or =
6LowPAN lbr), that is able to route to transit nodes which</font></div><div=
><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0moved to anot=
her subnet.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * backbone route=
r, was presented in orlando meeting.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier=
 new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Tom] add &quot;diversity&quot; together with ji=
tter,latency, loss. Diversity</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 needs to continu=
e on the backbone as part of the routing.</font></div><div><font face=3D"co=
urier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] absolutely, will do.</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Filed at <a href=
=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Include architecture r=
ecommendation on how to deal with multiple BBR, how</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0we aim to deal with synchron=
ization, etc..</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Coordination with IPSO=
,IoT6, ISA, IEEE. (assemble pieces from other</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0groups).</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Herman] how to stablish a perfor=
mance criteria on that networks.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Specially for bac=
kbone. ISA100 differentiates between backhaul and</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0backbone. What are the exact p=
erformance criteria which trigger a switch</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0between the two c=
ases?</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pas=
cal] Currently, there is no item (and requirement) for backhaul,</font></di=
v><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0just BB. No par=
ticular plans on neighbor discovery, routing over the</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0backhaul.</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Herman] Differen=
ce between BB and BH imporant in ISA100. BH can be</font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0used e.g. for inter-continent=
al communication. 60% of automation is done</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0remotely.</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] We can h=
ave several good technocal discussions about how to</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0split the management entity =
between close to the network and far. From</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0an administrative=
 point of view, let&#39;s add this case to the backbone</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0work</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Placing constraints =
in terms on latency. Let&#39;s move that</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0constraint on the=
 architecture.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 * work items</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0=
 =A0 * Thomas will proxy comments from Michael richardson, who could not be=
 at</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 the webex.</font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * list of work items:=
</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * 6=
tus layer: adaptation layer. Michel suggests that bootstraping is</font></d=
iv>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 too generic.=
 This suggestion is captured in</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new,=
 monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/char=
ter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/chart=
er-ietf-6tsch/issue/2</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Centralized ma=
nagement. presence of a PCE. define how the pce</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 communicates to the network=
 and how it extracts information from it.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * distributed ma=
nagement. looking at NSIS and RSVP.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier =
new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * best effort: 6tsch minimal operation. No =
PCE nor Dist.SCheduling.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Minimum set =
of things that can be done to stablish a minimal traffic</font></div><div><=
font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 support. Local res=
ervation. Very minimal set of requirements. Initial</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 setup of bas=
ic links.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * 6tsch architecture. Put together all of pieces. Describing</font>=
</div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 implem=
entation, highlight differences of data flows.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * TSCH overview:=
 highlights of 15.4e tsch mode, and what is missing</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 that 6TSCH needs to do.=
</font></div><div>


<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Non-milestone work items:</=
font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * imp=
lementors guide. sharing best practices of implementation.</font></div><div=
><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * coexistence: how 6=
tsch network can operate in the presence of similar</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TSCH (ISA100=
.11a,Whart). make cohexistence simpler. interoperability</font></div><div><=
font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 testing.</font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * applicabili=
ty statement. How it answer the requirements.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] do we put sec=
urity as a work item or do we integrate it on</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 each work item?</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Could be part of=
 the architecture</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Tom] if security is e=
verywhere put it at every work item.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier=
 new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] Every document we generate needs to hav=
e a security section.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 We can create a sepa=
rate work item in charter. Captured in</font></div><div><font face=3D"couri=
er new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/chart=
er-ietf-6tsch/issue/3" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charte=
r-ietf-6tsch/issue/3</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Milestone dates:</font=
></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * too ear=
ly for that, let&#39;s wait</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mon=
ospace">=A0 =A0 * [Pascal] What should be doing now thinking on the BOF in =
Berlin?</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Ted] Having the chart=
er ready for Berlin is good.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mo=
nospace">=A0 =A0 * [Adrian]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mon=
ospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Instead of milestones and dates, put work items i=
n chronological</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 order better=
.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * =
Work out what is missing, and clean up the drafts.</font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Work out what you want to =
do in the BoF. Plan the agenda. Describe</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 the environm=
ent,etc. Do a good planning is what would help on the</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 BoF acceptance.</font=
></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * You wil=
l get questions about deployment use cases. Why would people=A0</font></div=
>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 want to run =
IP on that particular IEEE networks. Rather than what</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 could be done, answer=
 what the needs are.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Good starting =
points:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 * <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * RFC543=
4</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 * RFC6771</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* =
[09.15] meeting ends</font></div>


</div></div>

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Le 16/04/2013 08:51, Thomas Watteyne a écrit :
[...]
> on draft charter [Thomas] * Thomas presents latest version of the
> draft charter * available at
> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src

Just curious...

One of the main items suggested is an 'Adaptation Layer'.

> Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the operation
> of the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer and
> the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.

But there exists already an Adaptation Layer for 802.15.4 in section 5
"LoWPAN Adaptation Layer and Frame Format" of RFC 4944 "IPv6 over 802.15.4".

Is there a relationship between these?

Alex


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>>>>> "Thomas" =3D=3D Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu> writes:
    Thomas> * Thomas will proxy comments from Michael richardson, who
    Thomas> could not be at the webex.

Thank you...  but, it's unclear to me which items you relayed.

    Thomas> * 6tus layer: adaptation layer. Michel suggests that bootstrapi=
ng is
    Thomas> too generic. This suggestion is captured in
    Thomas> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2

yes, that was me. s/Michel/Michael/

My other question, which I wanted an opinion was whether it made sense
for 6tsch to adopt the industrial applicability statement, or whether
the "best effort" part of the industrial uses should remain in ROLL.

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Hi Alex,

My understanding is for 802.15.4 only LoWPAN Adaptation layer is enough.
But for 802.15.4e TSCH, another adaptation layer is also needed, because
the schedule of TSCH has to been filled by someone instead of TSCH itself.

Thought?

Qin



> Le 16/04/2013 08:51, Thomas Watteyne a Ã©crit :
> [...]
>> on draft charter [Thomas] * Thomas presents latest version of the
>> draft charter * available at
>> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src
>
> Just curious...
>
> One of the main items suggested is an 'Adaptation Layer'.
>
>> Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the operation
>> of the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer and
>> the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.
>
> But there exists already an Adaptation Layer for 802.15.4 in section 5
> "LoWPAN Adaptation Layer and Frame Format" of RFC 4944 "IPv6 over
> 802.15.4".
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> Is there a relationship between these?
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>>>>> "Alexandru" =3D=3D Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> =
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    >> on draft charter [Thomas] * Thomas presents latest version of the
    >> draft charter * available at
    >> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src

    Alexandru> Just curious...

    Alexandru> One of the main items suggested is an 'Adaptation Layer'.

    >> Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the operation
    >> of the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer and
    >> the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.

    Alexandru> But there exists already an Adaptation Layer for 802.15.4
    Alexandru> in section 5=20
    Alexandru> "LoWPAN Adaptation Layer and Frame Format" of RFC 4944
    Alexandru> "IPv6 over 802.15.4".=20

    Alexandru> Is there a relationship between these?

I believe that calling 6tus an "adaptation layer" is an incorrect
and confusing statement.  While there is some protocol required for
setting up the schedules (the PCE link), and some protocol may be needed
to discover/record the route which requires bandwidth (NSIS/RSVP), once
they are set up, my understanding is that the bits on the wire for a
15.4e communication will be identical to a 15.4.=20=20

What will differ is when the bits are communicated and possibly how
they are routed.

So 6tus is really a standardized set of API requirements between the MAC
layer and a routing layer (RPL) that permits the routing layer to
understand and/or specify the constraints/features of the schedule.

I think that an outcome could be in RPL metrics, but this is not a
consensus opinion at this point.

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Hi Michael,

Can you explain more about the difference between "adaptation layer" and
"standardized set of API"?

IMHO, if a message exchange protocol between two nodes is involved,
"layer" is suitable; if only a device self is involved, "API" is suitable.

Make sense?

Qin


>
>>>>>> "Alexandru" == Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>
>>>>>> writes:
>     >> on draft charter [Thomas] * Thomas presents latest version of the
>     >> draft charter * available at
>     >> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src
>
>     Alexandru> Just curious...
>
>     Alexandru> One of the main items suggested is an 'Adaptation Layer'.
>
>     >> Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the
> operation
>     >> of the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer
> and
>     >> the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.
>
>     Alexandru> But there exists already an Adaptation Layer for 802.15.4
>     Alexandru> in section 5
>     Alexandru> "LoWPAN Adaptation Layer and Frame Format" of RFC 4944
>     Alexandru> "IPv6 over 802.15.4".
>
>     Alexandru> Is there a relationship between these?
>
> I believe that calling 6tus an "adaptation layer" is an incorrect
> and confusing statement.  While there is some protocol required for
> setting up the schedules (the PCE link), and some protocol may be needed
> to discover/record the route which requires bandwidth (NSIS/RSVP), once
> they are set up, my understanding is that the bits on the wire for a
> 15.4e communication will be identical to a 15.4.
>
> What will differ is when the bits are communicated and possibly how
> they are routed.
>
> So 6tus is really a standardized set of API requirements between the MAC
> layer and a routing layer (RPL) that permits the routing layer to
> understand and/or specify the constraints/features of the schedule.
>
> I think that an outcome could be in RPL metrics, but this is not a
> consensus opinion at this point.
>
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Hi Michael,

Can you explain more about the difference between "adaptation layer" and
"standardized set of API"?

IMHO, if a message exchange protocol between two nodes is involved,
"layer" is suitable; if only a device self is involved, "API" is suitable.

Make sense?

Qin


>
>>>>>> "Alexandru" == Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>
>>>>>> writes:
>     >> on draft charter [Thomas] * Thomas presents latest version of the
>     >> draft charter * available at
>     >> https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src
>
>     Alexandru> Just curious...
>
>     Alexandru> One of the main items suggested is an 'Adaptation Layer'.
>
>     >> Produce "6tus Adaptation Layer Specification" to define the
> operation
>     >> of the adaptation layer between the 6LoWPAN/RPL networking layer
> and
>     >> the IEEE802.15.4e TSCH MAC layer.
>
>     Alexandru> But there exists already an Adaptation Layer for 802.15.4
>     Alexandru> in section 5
>     Alexandru> "LoWPAN Adaptation Layer and Frame Format" of RFC 4944
>     Alexandru> "IPv6 over 802.15.4".
>
>     Alexandru> Is there a relationship between these?
>
> I believe that calling 6tus an "adaptation layer" is an incorrect
> and confusing statement.  While there is some protocol required for
> setting up the schedules (the PCE link), and some protocol may be needed
> to discover/record the route which requires bandwidth (NSIS/RSVP), once
> they are set up, my understanding is that the bits on the wire for a
> 15.4e communication will be identical to a 15.4.
>
> What will differ is when the bits are communicated and possibly how
> they are routed.
>
> So 6tus is really a standardized set of API requirements between the MAC
> layer and a routing layer (RPL) that permits the routing layer to
> understand and/or specify the constraints/features of the schedule.
>
> I think that an outcome could be in RPL metrics, but this is not a
> consensus opinion at this point.
>
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If you look at a picture of a protocol stack, "IP" is for instance, an
adaptation layer between TCP and Ethernet.  You can see it because there
are bits in the packet.

6lowpan is an adaptation layer, because it tells you how to split up
large IP packets into multiple 15.4 frames.

6tus will connect two parts that are inside the node, and won't reach
outside the node.

    Qin> IMHO, if a message exchange protocol between two nodes is involved,
    Qin> "layer" is suitable; if only a device self is involved, "API"
    Qin> is suitable.=20

Please point to the message exchange protocol which will be used on
every packet.  (Not just the control protocol)

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Michael,

>From your email, my understanding is if there are bits in packet and reach
outside the node, "Layer" should be more suitable. Correct?

In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell are
introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially soft cell,
message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are needed. It is implemented
with Information Elements (IE) in packet. In another word, you can see
specific bits in packet, and also reaching outside a node. So, I don't
understand why you think "API", instead of "Adaptation Layer", is suitable
for the case.

Did I miss something? Can you explain more?

Qin



>
>>>>>> "Qin" == Qin Wang <qinwang@berkeley.edu> writes:
>     Qin> Can you explain more about the difference between "adaptation
>     Qin> layer" and
>     Qin> "standardized set of API"?
>
> If you look at a picture of a protocol stack, "IP" is for instance, an
> adaptation layer between TCP and Ethernet.  You can see it because there
> are bits in the packet.
>
> 6lowpan is an adaptation layer, because it tells you how to split up
> large IP packets into multiple 15.4 frames.
>
> 6tus will connect two parts that are inside the node, and won't reach
> outside the node.
>
>     Qin> IMHO, if a message exchange protocol between two nodes is
> involved,
>     Qin> "layer" is suitable; if only a device self is involved, "API"
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>
> Please point to the message exchange protocol which will be used on
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Hi Michael:

The action of the 6TUS scheduler is actually visible from the outside if oi=
ne observes which frame ends up in which time slot.
6TUS will probably emulate GMPLS and switch from a time slot to another. Th=
is will also be visible and verifiable from the outside.
So will the 6TUS to 6TUS communication to establish and maintain time slots=
 between peers. For all I know, this is a real layer.
How would you call it?

Pascal

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Michael,

>From your email, my understanding is if there are bits in packet and reach =
outside the node, "Layer" should be more suitable. Correct?

In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell are introduced=
. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially soft cell, message exchang=
es between one-hop neighbors are needed. It is implemented with Information=
 Elements (IE) in packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in pac=
ket, and also reaching outside a node. So, I don't understand why you think=
 "API", instead of "Adaptation Layer", is suitable for the case.

Did I miss something? Can you explain more?

Qin



>
>>>>>> "Qin" =3D=3D Qin Wang <qinwang@berkeley.edu> writes:
>     Qin> Can you explain more about the difference between "adaptation
>     Qin> layer" and
>     Qin> "standardized set of API"?
>
> If you look at a picture of a protocol stack, "IP" is for instance, an=20
> adaptation layer between TCP and Ethernet.  You can see it because=20
> there are bits in the packet.
>
> 6lowpan is an adaptation layer, because it tells you how to split up=20
> large IP packets into multiple 15.4 frames.
>
> 6tus will connect two parts that are inside the node, and won't reach=20
> outside the node.
>
>     Qin> IMHO, if a message exchange protocol between two nodes is=20
> involved,
>     Qin> "layer" is suitable; if only a device self is involved, "API"
>     Qin> is suitable.
>
> Please point to the message exchange protocol which will be used on=20
> every packet.  (Not just the control protocol)
>
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>>>>> "Qin" =3D=3D Qin Wang <qinwang@berkeley.edu> writes:

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    Qin> soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
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In every single data packet?
The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
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>>>>> "pthubert" =3D=3D pthubert  <Pascal> writes:
    pthubert> The action of the 6TUS scheduler is actually visible from
    pthubert> the outside if oine observes which frame ends up in which
    pthubert> time slot.=20=20

That's nice.  The receiver doesn't need to know about the schedule=20
(assuming that it's always on).  Look at this from a packet sniffer
point of view.

If it's an adaptation layer, then it needs to know it's there to skip
it.  If it's just a schedule, then there is nothing to know.

    pthubert> 6TUS will probably emulate GMPLS and switch
    pthubert> from a time slot to another. This will also be visible and
    pthubert> verifiable from the outside.  So will the 6TUS to 6TUS
    pthubert> communication to establish and maintain time slots between
    pthubert> peers. For all I know, this is a real layer.  How would
    pthubert> you call it?

The thing to establish and maintain the time slots is a protocol.
It could run over all sorts of transports.  That stuff isn't present in,
for instance, the packet that contains the CoAP traffic to turn on an actua=
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    <font face="Arial">I'd like to support Michael Richardson's view on
      this subject. Consider a standard IPv4 or IPv6 protocol stack,
      with some kind of PHY+DL for moving bytes between physically
      separated devices, IPv4 or IPv6 for routing, UDP or TCP (etc) for
      data conveyance, and various application protocols that use those
      lower layers to transport information between those applications.
      In diagramatic form, where the numbers are the layers of the OSI
      reference model, what we usually see is<br>
      <br>
    </font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">+--------------------------------+<br>
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">| Â  Â Â 
        Application protocols Â  Â  | 7<br>
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      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">|Â  Â  Â Â 
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">End-to-end
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      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">+--------------------------------+<br>
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">|Â Â 
        Routing (packet switching) Â  | 3<br>
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      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">| Point</font></font><font
      face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">-to-point data conveyance</font></font><font
      face="Arial"><font face="Courier New"> | 2<br>
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">+--------------------------------+<br>
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">|Â  Â 
        Physical symbol signaling Â  | 1<br>
      </font></font><font face="Arial"><font face="Courier New">+--------------------------------+<br>
      </font></font><br>
    It is possible to add a sublayer to any of these, either above or
    below the primary layer. For example, one could add forward error
    correction between layers 1 and 2, or 6LoWPAN subrouting between
    layers 2 and 3, or actively-redundant multi-path transmission for
    diversity between layers 3 and 4, or fountain coding of multicast
    messaging between layers 4 and 7.<br>
    <br>
    When any such sublayer is present there must be information in the
    PDUs (protocol data units) that are sent and received by a layer to
    indicate whether the sublayer is to be invoked, or not. That
    information could take the form of explicit symbols in the layer PDU
    (i.e., bit fields or code points when at layer 2 or above), or it
    could be associated by configuration with specific destination or
    source address information contained within the PDU. <br>
    <br>
    By way of analogy, HTML that is to be exchanged between humans might
    specify the human language in which the message is written (e.g, use
    of XML to designate the language) or the language might be known by
    prior agreement based on the addressees. Many of us on this list
    read and write multiple languages, but by prior agreement we use US
    or UK English for postings to this list.<br>
    <br>
    When considering the protocol stack shown in the above figure, or of
    any derived stack that also contains additional sublayers, those
    layers and sublayers often require management, both before and
    during use. Thus there will be management protocols for those layers
    and sublayers. Those management protocols do not themselves
    constitute additional sublayers, even though packet sniffing will
    produce evidence of their use, and may often find PDUs at some layer
    that contain specific messaging for a management protocol.<br>
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  On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
>      Qin>  In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell
>      Qin>  are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
>      Qin>  soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
>      Qin>  needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
>      Qin>  packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,
>
> In every single data packet?
> The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
> packet?
Hi,

6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE 
802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.

For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control 
packets.

I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need to 
convert packets into something else. Adaptation of >L3 packets for IEEE 
802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e uses 
the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does (127 bytes).

Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because 
it will allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism 
(TSCH) only available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 
802.15.4e).

best regards,
Pieter
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    On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:17934.1366204523@sandelman.ca" type="cite"><br>
      <pre wrap="">    Qin&gt; In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell
    Qin&gt; are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
    Qin&gt; soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
    Qin&gt; needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
    Qin&gt; packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,

In every single data packet?
The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
packet?
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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE
    802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.<br>
    <br>
    For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the
    control packets.<br>
    <br>
    I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need
    to convert packets into something else. Adaptation of &gt;L3 packets
    for IEEE 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN.
    IEEE802.15.4e uses the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does
    (<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;
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      word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
        class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">127 bytes).<br>
        <br>
      </span></span>Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for
    6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because it will allow to interface between
    6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH) only available in a specific
    link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).<br>
    <br>
    best regards,<br>
    Pieter<br>
    IBCN-iMinds<br>
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Pieter,

Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:

- 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
can not call it a "layer".
- 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.

So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)

What we do know is:
- The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote B.
So there is a protocol involved.
- When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the IEs,
so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
- In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
- 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.

So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?

Thomas


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne <twatteyne@linear.com>wrote:

> Pieter,
>
> Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:
>
> - 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
> can not call it a "layer".
> - 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
> it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.
>
> So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)
>
> What we do know is:
> - The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote
> B. So there is a protocol involved.
> - When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the
> IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
> - In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
> - 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.
>
> So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Pieter De Mil <pieter@demil.be> wrote:
>
>> **
>> On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Qin> In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell
>>     Qin> are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
>>     Qin> soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
>>     Qin> needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
>>     Qin> packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,
>>
>> In every single data packet?
>> The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
>> packet?
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> 6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE
>> 802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.
>>
>> For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control
>> packets.
>>
>> I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need to
>> convert packets into something else. Adaptation of >L3 packets for IEEE
>> 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e uses the
>> same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does (127 bytes).
>>
>> Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because it
>> will allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH) only
>> available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).
>>
>> best regards,
>> Pieter
>> IBCN-iMinds
>>
>>
>>  <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3819>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px=
">Pieter,</span><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Fully =
agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- 6tus does not add a =
specific header to packets in the data plane. So we can not call it a &quot=
;layer&quot;.</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- 6tus does not =
transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so it can not be cal=
led an &quot;adaptation&quot; xxx.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:13px">

<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So bas=
ically we are saying that both terms &quot;adaptation layer&quot; are wrong=
 :)</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></d=
iv>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What we do know =
is:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- The 6=
tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus=A0thing=A0of its neighbors mote B. So=
 there is a protocol involved.</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- When this comm=
unication takes place, this protocol is carried in the IEs, so the 6tus thi=
ngs somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.</div><div style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

- In a mote, the 6tus=A0thing is associated some state.</div><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- 6tus is used to manage the r=
eservation of layer 2 resources.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px">

<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So wha=
t about &quot;6tus reservation protocol&quot;?</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

Thomas</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:twatteyne@linear.com" target=3D"_blank">twatteyne@linea=
r.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pieter,<div><br></div><div>=
Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:</div><div><br></div><div>- 6tus =
does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we can not =
call it a &quot;layer&quot;.</div>



<div>- 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN),=
 so it can not be called an &quot;adaptation&quot; xxx.</div><div><br></div=
><div>So basically we are saying that both terms &quot;adaptation layer&quo=
t; are wrong :)</div>



<div><br></div><div>What we do know is:</div><div>- The 6tus thing of mote =
A talks to the 6tus=A0thing=A0of its neighbors mote B. So there is a protoc=
ol involved.</div><div>- When this communication takes place, this protocol=
 is carried in the IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.1=
5.4e.</div>



<div>- In a mote, the 6tus=A0thing is associated some state.</div><div>- 6t=
us is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.</div><div><br></=
div><div>So what about &quot;6tus reservation protocol&quot;?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thomas</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:4=
0 PM, Pieter De Mil <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pieter@demil.be=
" target=3D"_blank">pieter@demil.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><u></u>

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   =20
   =20
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  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div>
    On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
      <pre>    Qin&gt; In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and s=
oft cell
    Qin&gt; are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
    Qin&gt; soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
    Qin&gt; needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
    Qin&gt; packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,

In every single data packet?
The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
packet?
</pre>
    </blockquote></div>
    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE
    802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.<br=
>
    <br>
    For control packets, you&#39;ll see the Information Elements in the
    control packets.<br>
    <br>
    I agree that it&#39;s not an &quot;adaptation&quot; *thing*, because we=
 don&#39;t need
    to convert packets into something else. Adaptation of &gt;L3 packets
    for IEEE 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN.
    IEEE802.15.4e uses the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does
    (<span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:norm=
al;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:=
separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:16px=
">127 bytes).<br>



        <br>
      </span></span>Call it the &quot;TSCH interface Specification for
    6LoWPAN&quot; (6TieS) because it will allow to interface between
    6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH) only available in a specific
    link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).<br>
    <br>
    best regards,<br>
    Pieter<br>
    IBCN-iMinds<br>
    <br>
    <span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:norma=
l;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:s=
eparate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family=
:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:16px"=
><br>



      </span></span><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3819" target=
=3D"_blank"></a><br>
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All,

I have implemented the changes we suggested during the call on Friday to
the charter. You will find the latest text at:
https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src/

@Michael: I did correct the typo in your name at
https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/wiki/130412_webex, sorry about that.

Changes are:
1. Fix for https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1,
suggested by Tom. The text now reads:
"achieve industrial-grade criteria for jitter, latency, scalability,
diversity and low-power operation."
2. Fix for https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2,
suggested by Michael. The text now reads:
"This document (or documents) will define how toThis document (or
documents) will define how to bootstrap the 6TSCH aspects of the LLN and
the IPv6 transit links, and how nodes maintain synchronization, including
in the presence of multiple BRs."
3. Fix for https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/3,
suggested by the group. The text new reads:
"The need for other documents may arise as the group progresses.
Informational documents on the security, and in particular the use of PANA
for 6TSCH are to be expected and fall within charter."
4. I reduced the introductory text a bit by removing duplicate text and in
general shortening the paragraphs.

Thomas

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>I have implemented the chang=
es we suggested during the call on Friday to the charter. You will find the=
 latest text at:</div><div style><a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/cha=
rter-ietf-6tsch/src/">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/src/</=
a><br>

</div><div style><br></div><div style>@Michael: I did correct the typo in y=
our name at=A0<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/wiki/130412_w=
ebex">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/wiki/130412_webex</a>, sorry abo=
ut that.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Changes are:</div><div style>1. Fix for=A0<=
a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1">https://b=
itbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1</a>, suggested by Tom. The te=
xt now reads:</div>

<div style>&quot;achieve industrial-grade criteria for jitter, latency, sca=
lability, diversity and low-power operation.&quot;<br></div><div style>2. F=
ix for=A0<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2"=
>https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2</a>, suggested by M=
ichael. The text now reads:</div>

<div style>&quot;This document (or documents) will define how toThis docume=
nt (or documents) will define how to bootstrap the 6TSCH aspects of the LLN=
 and the IPv6 transit links, and how nodes maintain synchronization, includ=
ing in the presence of multiple BRs.&quot;</div>

<div style>3. Fix for=A0<a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf=
-6tsch/issue/3">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/3</a>,=
 suggested by the group. The text new reads:</div><div style>&quot;The need=
 for other documents may arise as the group progresses. Informational docum=
ents on the security, and in particular the use of PANA for 6TSCH are to be=
 expected and fall within charter.&quot;<br>

</div><div style>4. I reduced the introductory text a bit by removing dupli=
cate text and in general shortening the paragraphs.</div><div style><br></d=
iv><div style>Thomas</div><div style><br></div></div>

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Pitching in quite late...
This looks to me similar to what a routing protocol is w.r.t. the "network =
layer". Routing is not the full layer 3 by itself, it does not in general a=
dd to the data packet headers, but it *resides in* layer 3.
I view 6tus residing in layer 2.5.
One aspect I haven't seen discussed is whether the "thing" has state or not=
. To me an API does not contain state. I view 6tus as having state on its o=
wn.
"6tus xxx protocol" seems therefore appropriate to me to name our "thing".
My $0.02

Dominique

De : 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de T=
homas Watteyne
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 18 avril 2013 07:49
=C0 : IETF 6TSCH
Objet : Re: [6tsch] minutes WebEx 12 April 2013

Pieter,

Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:

- 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we c=
an not call it a "layer".
- 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so i=
t can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.

So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)

What we do know is:
- The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote B.=
 So there is a protocol involved.
- When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the IEs,=
 so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
- In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
- 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.

So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?

Thomas

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne <twatteyne@linear.com<mai=
lto:twatteyne@linear.com>> wrote:
Pieter,

Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:

- 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we c=
an not call it a "layer".
- 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so i=
t can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.

So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)

What we do know is:
- The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote B.=
 So there is a protocol involved.
- When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the IEs,=
 so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
- In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
- 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.

So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?

Thomas

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Pieter De Mil <pieter@demil.be<mailto:piet=
er@demil.be>> wrote:
On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:


    Qin> In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell

    Qin> are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially

    Qin> soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are

    Qin> needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in

    Qin> packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,



In every single data packet?

The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP

packet?
Hi,

6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE 802.15.4e-TSCH=
 (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.

For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control pac=
kets.

I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need to con=
vert packets into something else. Adaptation of >L3 packets for IEEE 802.15=
.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e uses the same =
max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does (127 bytes).

Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because it w=
ill allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH) only =
available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).

best regards,
Pieter
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n quite late&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This looks=
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r&#8221;. Routing is not the full layer 3 by itself, it does not in general
 add to the data packet headers, but it *<b>resides in</b>* layer 3.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I view 6tu=
s residing in layer 2.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">One aspect=
 I haven&#8217;t seen discussed is whether the &#8220;thing&#8221; has stat=
e or not. To me an API does not contain state. I view 6tus as having state =
on
 its own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&#8220;6tu=
s xxx protocol&#8221; seems therefore appropriate to me to name our &#8220;=
thing&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My $0.02<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Dominique<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">De&nbsp;:</span></b><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf=
.org]
<b>De la part de</b> Thom</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">as Watteyne<br>
<b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> jeudi 18 avril 2013 07:49<br>
<b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> IETF 6TSCH<br>
<b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> Re: [6tsch] minutes WebEx 12 April 2013<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Pieter,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- 6tus does not add a specific header to =
packets in the data plane. So we can not call it a &quot;layer&quot;.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- 6tus does not transform bytes when it g=
ets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so it can not be called an &quot;adaptation&q=
uot; xxx.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">So basically we are saying that both term=
s &quot;adaptation layer&quot; are wrong :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">What we do know is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6=
tus&nbsp;thing&nbsp;of its neighbors mote B. So there is a protocol involve=
d.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- When this communication takes place, th=
is protocol is carried in the IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top o=
f IEEE802.15.4e.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- In a mote, the 6tus&nbsp;thing is assoc=
iated some state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- 6tus is used to manage the reservation =
of layer 2 resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">So what about &quot;6tus reservation prot=
ocol&quot;?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:twatteyne@linear.com" target=3D"_blank">twatteyne@linea=
r.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pieter,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in =
the data plane. So we can not call it a &quot;layer&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets travers=
ed (a la 6LoWPAN), so it can not be called an &quot;adaptation&quot; xxx.<o=
:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So basically we are saying that both terms &quot;ada=
ptation layer&quot; are wrong :)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What we do know is:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus&nbsp;th=
ing&nbsp;of its neighbors mote B. So there is a protocol involved.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- When this communication takes place, this protocol=
 is carried in the IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.1=
5.4e.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- In a mote, the 6tus&nbsp;thing is associated some =
state.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 =
resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So what about &quot;6tus reservation protocol&quot;?=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Pieter De Mil &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:pieter@demil.be" target=3D"_blank">pieter@demil.be</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote: <o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qin&gt; In the current version of 6tus, both hard c=
ell and soft cell<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qin&gt; are introduced. For reserving a cell in a s=
chedule, especially<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qin&gt; soft cell, message exchanges between one-ho=
p neighbors are<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qin&gt; needed. It is implemented with Information =
Elements (IE) in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qin&gt; packet. In another word, you can see specif=
ic bits in packet,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>In every single data packet?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP<o=
:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>packet?<o:p></o:p></pre>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
<br>
6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE 802.15.4e-TSCH=
 (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.<br>
<br>
For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control pac=
kets.<br>
<br>
I agree that it's not an &quot;adaptation&quot; *thing*, because we don't n=
eed to convert packets into something else. Adaptation of &gt;L3 packets fo=
r IEEE 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e u=
ses the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4
 does (127 bytes).<br>
<br>
Call it the &quot;TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN&quot; (6TieS) be=
cause it will allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (T=
SCH) only available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.=
4e).<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Pieter<br>
IBCN-iMinds<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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If the "thing" is called "6tus xxx protocol", I would like to add "cell"
into it, e.g. "6tus cell reservation protocol", to distinguish from
protocols like RSVP.

How do you think?

Qin


> Pitching in quite late...
> This looks to me similar to what a routing protocol is w.r.t. the "network
> layer". Routing is not the full layer 3 by itself, it does not in general
> add to the data packet headers, but it *resides in* layer 3.
> I view 6tus residing in layer 2.5.
> One aspect I haven't seen discussed is whether the "thing" has state or
> not. To me an API does not contain state. I view 6tus as having state on
> its own.
> "6tus xxx protocol" seems therefore appropriate to me to name our "thing".
> My $0.02
>
> Dominique
>
> De : 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de
> Thomas Watteyne
> EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 18 avril 2013 07:49
> Ã€ : IETF 6TSCH
> Objet : Re: [6tsch] minutes WebEx 12 April 2013
>
> Pieter,
>
> Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:
>
> - 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
> can not call it a "layer".
> - 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
> it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.
>
> So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)
>
> What we do know is:
> - The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote
> B. So there is a protocol involved.
> - When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the
> IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
> - In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
> - 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.
>
> So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?
>
> Thomas
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne
> <twatteyne@linear.com<mailto:twatteyne@linear.com>> wrote:
> Pieter,
>
> Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:
>
> - 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
> can not call it a "layer".
> - 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
> it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.
>
> So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)
>
> What we do know is:
> - The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote
> B. So there is a protocol involved.
> - When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the
> IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
> - In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
> - 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.
>
> So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?
>
> Thomas
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Pieter De Mil
> <pieter@demil.be<mailto:pieter@demil.be>> wrote:
> On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
>
>     Qin> In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell
>
>     Qin> are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
>
>     Qin> soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
>
>     Qin> needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
>
>     Qin> packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,
>
>
>
> In every single data packet?
>
> The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
>
> packet?
> Hi,
>
> 6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE
> 802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.
>
> For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control
> packets.
>
> I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need to
> convert packets into something else. Adaptation of >L3 packets for IEEE
> 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e uses
> the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does (127 bytes).
>
> Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because it
> will allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH)
> only available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).
>
> best regards,
> Pieter
> IBCN-iMinds
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Hi, my little contribution.

6tus not only reserves, in a wider sense it manages schedule, queues, 
time parents, configuration of L2, provides feedback and keeps certain 
states

what about:

"6tus resource management protocol"

X

On 18/04/13 06:39, Qin Wang wrote:
> If the "thing" is called "6tus xxx protocol", I would like to add "cell"
> into it, e.g. "6tus cell reservation protocol", to distinguish from
> protocols like RSVP.
>
> How do you think?
>
> Qin
>
>
>> Pitching in quite late...
>> This looks to me similar to what a routing protocol is w.r.t. the "network
>> layer". Routing is not the full layer 3 by itself, it does not in general
>> add to the data packet headers, but it *resides in* layer 3.
>> I view 6tus residing in layer 2.5.
>> One aspect I haven't seen discussed is whether the "thing" has state or
>> not. To me an API does not contain state. I view 6tus as having state on
>> its own.
>> "6tus xxx protocol" seems therefore appropriate to me to name our "thing".
>> My $0.02
>>
>> Dominique
>>
>> De : 6tsch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6tsch-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de
>> Thomas Watteyne
>> EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 18 avril 2013 07:49
>> Ã€ : IETF 6TSCH
>> Objet : Re: [6tsch] minutes WebEx 12 April 2013
>>
>> Pieter,
>>
>> Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:
>>
>> - 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
>> can not call it a "layer".
>> - 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
>> it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.
>>
>> So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)
>>
>> What we do know is:
>> - The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote
>> B. So there is a protocol involved.
>> - When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the
>> IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
>> - In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
>> - 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.
>>
>> So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Watteyne
>> <twatteyne@linear.com<mailto:twatteyne@linear.com>> wrote:
>> Pieter,
>>
>> Fully agreed. So if I can sum up, we have:
>>
>> - 6tus does not add a specific header to packets in the data plane. So we
>> can not call it a "layer".
>> - 6tus does not transform bytes when it gets traversed (a la 6LoWPAN), so
>> it can not be called an "adaptation" xxx.
>>
>> So basically we are saying that both terms "adaptation layer" are wrong :)
>>
>> What we do know is:
>> - The 6tus thing of mote A talks to the 6tus thing of its neighbors mote
>> B. So there is a protocol involved.
>> - When this communication takes place, this protocol is carried in the
>> IEs, so the 6tus things somehow sits on top of IEEE802.15.4e.
>> - In a mote, the 6tus thing is associated some state.
>> - 6tus is used to manage the reservation of layer 2 resources.
>>
>> So what about "6tus reservation protocol"?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Pieter De Mil
>> <pieter@demil.be<mailto:pieter@demil.be>> wrote:
>> On 04/17/13 15:15, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>
>>
>>      Qin> In the current version of 6tus, both hard cell and soft cell
>>
>>      Qin> are introduced. For reserving a cell in a schedule, especially
>>
>>      Qin> soft cell, message exchanges between one-hop neighbors are
>>
>>      Qin> needed. It is implemented with Information Elements (IE) in
>>
>>      Qin> packet. In another word, you can see specific bits in packet,
>>
>>
>>
>> In every single data packet?
>>
>> The same way that the IP header shows up underneath every single TCP
>>
>> packet?
>> Hi,
>>
>> 6tus will not add headers to data packets (data plane), IEEE
>> 802.15.4e-TSCH (aka the MAC or data link layer) will set its header.
>>
>> For control packets, you'll see the Information Elements in the control
>> packets.
>>
>> I agree that it's not an "adaptation" *thing*, because we don't need to
>> convert packets into something else. Adaptation of >L3 packets for IEEE
>> 802.15.4 data link layer is already done by 6LoWPAN. IEEE802.15.4e uses
>> the same max PHY packet size as IEEE802.15.4 does (127 bytes).
>>
>> Call it the "TSCH interface Specification for 6LoWPAN" (6TieS) because it
>> will allow to interface between 6LoWPAN/RPL and a MAC mechanism (TSCH)
>> only available in a specific link layer technology (i.e.. IEEE 802.15.4e).
>>
>> best regards,
>> Pieter
>> IBCN-iMinds
>>
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All,

Please find a draft agenda for the 6TSCH call this Friday.


   - change to draft charter [20min]
   - Rough consensus on draft draft charter?
   - 6tus naming convention [10min]
   - Next steps [20min]


Attached are also some slides which we can use to drive the discussion.

Pascal and Thomas

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Call info :****

Topic:    6TSCH Weekly****

Date:     Every Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014=
*
***

Time:     8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)****

Meeting Number:           206 802 913****

Meeting Password:         sixtus****

** **

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To start the online meeting****

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1.   Go to
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&UID=3D481905242&PW=3DNZT=
RkNDAwOTE1&RT=3DMiM0
****

2.   Log in to your account.****

3.   Click =93Start Now=94.****

4.   Follow the instructions that appear on your screen.****

** **

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ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes****

----------------------------------------------------------------****

** **

The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San
Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.****

Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:****

**=B7         **San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:  525-6800****

**=B7         **RTP (919) area:  392-3330****

** **

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To join the teleconference only****

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1.         Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at****
http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html<http://=
cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2>
**** 2<http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%=
20%0d2>.
Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access
Code followed by the # sign.****

** **

San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800  RTP: +1.919.392.3330****

US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903  United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117****

India: +91.80.4350.1111  Germany: +49.619.6773.9002****

Japan: +81.3.5763.9394  China: +86.10.8515.5666****

To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF
(Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to
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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>Please find a draft agenda f=
or the 6TSCH call this Friday.</div><div style><br></div><div style><div><u=
l style><li style>change to draft charter<span style=3D"white-space:pre">=
=A0</span>[20min]<br>

</li><ul style><li style>Rough consensus on draft draft charter?</li></ul><=
li style>6tus naming convention<span style=3D"white-space:pre">=A0</span>[1=
0min]<br></li><li style>Next steps<span style=3D"white-space:pre">=A0</span=
>[20min]<br>

</li></ul></div></div><div style><br></div><div style>Attached are also som=
e slides which we can use to drive the discussion.</div><div style><br></di=
v><div style>Pascal and Thomas</div><div style><br></div><div style><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">----------------------=
--------</span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=
-------------------------</span><br>

</div><div style><p class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cal=
l info :<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></span></=
p><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<p>Topic:=A0=A0=A0 6TSCH Weekly<u></u><u></u></p><p>Date:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Every=
 Friday, from Friday, April 5, 2013 to Friday, March 7, 2014<u></u><u></u><=
/p><p>Time:=A0=A0=A0=A0 8:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-=
07:00)<u></u><u></u></p>

<p>Meeting Number:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 206 802 913<u></u><u></u><=
/p><p>Meeting Password:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sixtus<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif">----------------------------------------------------=
---<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<div style=3D"border-style:solid none;border-top-color:windowtext;border-to=
p-width:1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-bottom-width:1pt;padding:=
1pt 0cm"><h1>To start the online meeting<u></u><u></u></h1></div><p class=
=3D"">

<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">---------------=
----------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p><p>1.=A0=
=A0 Go to=A0<a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&a=
mp;UID=3D481905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwOTE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_blank">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">https://cisco.w=
ebex.com/cisco/j.php?ED=3D219615007&amp;UID=3D481905242&amp;PW=3DNZTRkNDAwO=
TE1&amp;RT=3DMiM0</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>

<p>2.=A0=A0 Log in to your account.<u></u><u></u></p><p>3.=A0=A0 Click =93S=
tart Now=94.<u></u><u></u></p><p>4.=A0=A0 Follow the instructions that appe=
ar on your screen.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-=
---------------------------------------------------------------<u></u><u></=
u></span></p><div style=3D"border-style:solid none;border-top-color:windowt=
ext;border-top-width:1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-bottom-width=
:1pt;padding:1pt 0cm">

<h1>ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes<u></u>=
<u></u></h1></div><p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">----------------------------------------------------------=
------<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><=
u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><p>The affected toll free numbers are:=A0<a href=
=3D"tel:%28866%29%20432-9903" value=3D"+18664329903" target=3D"_blank">(866=
) 432-9903</a>=A0for the San Jose/Milpitas area and=A0<a href=3D"tel:%28866=
%29%20349-3520" value=3D"+18663493520" target=3D"_blank">(866) 349-3520</a>=
=A0for the RTP area.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p>Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:<u=
></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol">=B7<span style=
=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0</span></span><u></u>San Jose/Milpitas (408) area:=A0 525-6800<u><=
/u><u></u></p>

<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol">=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7p=
t;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0</span>=
</span><u></u>RTP (919) area:=A0 392-3330<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D""><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u>=
</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-=
------------------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><h1>To join the teleconference only<u></u><u></u></h1><p class=3D""><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">------------------=
-------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<h2>1.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Acces=
s Numbers at<u></u><u></u></h2><h2><a href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/=
doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2" target=3D"_blank">http://cis=
co.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html</a><u></u><u></u>=
</h2>

<h2><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=3D"=
http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html%20%0d2"=
 target=3D"_blank">2</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Follow the prompts to enter the M=
eeting Number (listed above) or Access Code followed by the # sign.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></=
span></h2>

<p class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><=
u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><p>San Jose, CA:=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B1.408.525.6=
800" value=3D"+14085256800" target=3D"_blank">+1.408.525.6800</a>=A0 RTP:=
=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B1.919.392.3330" value=3D"+19193923330" target=3D"_blan=
k">+1.919.392.3330</a><u></u><u></u></p>

<p>US/Canada:=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B1.866.432.9903" value=3D"+18664329903" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">+1.866.432.9903</a>=A0 United Kingdom:=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B=
44.20.8824.0117" value=3D"+442088240117" target=3D"_blank">+44.20.8824.0117=
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<p>India:=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B91.80.4350.1111" value=3D"+918043501111" targ=
et=3D"_blank">+91.80.4350.1111</a>=A0 Germany:=A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B49.619.6=
773.9002" value=3D"+4961967739002" target=3D"_blank">+49.619.6773.9002</a><=
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yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">https://cisco.webex.com=
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<p>CCM:+14085256800x206802913#</p></div></div></div>

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Subject: Re: [6tsch] Wireshark dissectors for IEEE802.15.4e TSCH?
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  Hi,

I'm working on an IEEE 802.15.4e TSCH dissector for Wireshark.

https://github.com/pdemil/802154e-wireshark

Feel free to contribute.

best regards,
Pieter


On 04/11/13 08:43, Thomas Watteyne wrote:
> All,
>
> Within this group, we have several implementations ongoing/running of 
> IEEE802.15.4e, and we will hopefully soon start talking about interop. 
> To simplify testing and development, it would be fantastic to be able 
> to analyze packets in Wireshark.
>
> Wireshark's ZEP dissector [1] allows one to very easily inject packet 
> from a USB connected mote. ZEP indicates the frequency the packet was 
> received on, so one can imagine having 16 different USB boards, each 
> sniffing a different frequencies. We could have those boards actually 
> synchronize to the network, and report the ASN the packet was received 
> on in the timestamp field of the ZEP header. This would allow us to 
> reconstruct the exact data exchange, also in time. Finally, using a 
> tun interface can be an alternative to ZEP, also in Windows [2].
>
> The last piece missing then is a IEEE802.15.4e TSCH dissector. I am 
> not aware of any in Wireshark, but we might have just the right 
> Wireshark dissector-guru in this group. Any volunteers for writing 
> such a dissector?
>
> Thomas
>
> [1] http://wiki.wireshark.org/IEEE_802.15.4
> [2] 
> https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5373971


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Hi, I'd like to follow up that discussion..

My point is close to Pascal's point, i.e 6tus is a similar "thing" as 
GMPLS as 6tus can decide on switching or forwarding according to the 
time slot when a packet comes in. That mapping of input slots/output 
slots in GMPLS is done by a reservation protocol that is specified by 
the GMPLS layer (Label Distribution Protocol) and implemented by a 
higher end-to-end protocol like RSVP-TE. In that sense we can see 6tus 
as the same, an entity that runs on layer 2.xx and knows about time 
slots and when a track is scheduled knows when (what time slot) has to 
be used to forward a packet coming at a specific time slot.

what are your thought?

X

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Pieter,

This is great. We quickly discussed this on the 6TSCH call today, I believe
these dissectors will be extremely useful for any future interop event.

Incidentally, I'm meeting with Colin next week in San Jose to talk
Wireshark. After that meeting, I will be very happy to contribute and help
testing your dissector.

Thomas


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Pieter De Mil <pieter@demil.be> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I'm working on an IEEE 802.15.4e TSCH dissector for Wireshark.
>
> https://github.com/pdemil/**802154e-wireshark<https://github.com/pdemil/802154e-wireshark>
>
> Feel free to contribute.
>
> best regards,
> Pieter
>
>
>
> On 04/11/13 08:43, Thomas Watteyne wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Within this group, we have several implementations ongoing/running of
>> IEEE802.15.4e, and we will hopefully soon start talking about interop. To
>> simplify testing and development, it would be fantastic to be able to
>> analyze packets in Wireshark.
>>
>> Wireshark's ZEP dissector [1] allows one to very easily inject packet
>> from a USB connected mote. ZEP indicates the frequency the packet was
>> received on, so one can imagine having 16 different USB boards, each
>> sniffing a different frequencies. We could have those boards actually
>> synchronize to the network, and report the ASN the packet was received on
>> in the timestamp field of the ZEP header. This would allow us to
>> reconstruct the exact data exchange, also in time. Finally, using a tun
>> interface can be an alternative to ZEP, also in Windows [2].
>>
>> The last piece missing then is a IEEE802.15.4e TSCH dissector. I am not
>> aware of any in Wireshark, but we might have just the right Wireshark
>> dissector-guru in this group. Any volunteers for writing such a dissector?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.wireshark.org/**IEEE_802.15.4<http://wiki.wireshark.org/IEEE_802.15.4>
>> [2] https://openwsn.atlassian.net/**wiki/pages/viewpage.action?**
>> pageId=5373971<https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5373971>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pieter,<div style><br></div><div style>This is great. We q=
uickly discussed this on the 6TSCH call today, I believe these dissectors w=
ill be extremely useful for any future interop event.</div><div style><br>

</div><div style>Incidentally, I&#39;m meeting with Colin next week in San =
Jose to talk Wireshark. After that meeting, I will be very happy to contrib=
ute and help testing your dissector.</div><div style><br></div><div style>

Thomas</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Pieter De Mil <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:pieter@demil.be" target=3D"_blank">pieter@demil.be</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=A0Hi,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m working on an IEEE 802.15.4e TSCH dissector for Wireshark.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/pdemil/802154e-wireshark" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://github.com/pdemil/<u></u>802154e-wireshark</a><br>
<br>
Feel free to contribute.<br>
<br>
best regards,<br>
Pieter<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 04/11/13 08:43, Thomas Watteyne wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
All,<br>
<br>
Within this group, we have several implementations ongoing/running of IEEE8=
02.15.4e, and we will hopefully soon start talking about interop. To simpli=
fy testing and development, it would be fantastic to be able to analyze pac=
kets in Wireshark.<br>


<br>
Wireshark&#39;s ZEP dissector [1] allows one to very easily inject packet f=
rom a USB connected mote. ZEP indicates the frequency the packet was receiv=
ed on, so one can imagine having 16 different USB boards, each sniffing a d=
ifferent frequencies. We could have those boards actually synchronize to th=
e network, and report the ASN the packet was received on in the timestamp f=
ield of the ZEP header. This would allow us to reconstruct the exact data e=
xchange, also in time. Finally, using a tun interface can be an alternative=
 to ZEP, also in Windows [2].<br>


<br>
The last piece missing then is a IEEE802.15.4e TSCH dissector. I am not awa=
re of any in Wireshark, but we might have just the right Wireshark dissecto=
r-guru in this group. Any volunteers for writing such a dissector?<br>


<br>
Thomas<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"http://wiki.wireshark.org/IEEE_802.15.4" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://wiki.wireshark.org/<u></u>IEEE_802.15.4</a><br>
[2] <a href=3D"https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pag=
eId=3D5373971" target=3D"_blank">https://openwsn.atlassian.net/<u></u>wiki/=
pages/viewpage.action?<u></u>pageId=3D5373971</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
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Pascal and Xavi,

I agree that the behavior of 6tus looks like GMPLS in terms of forwarding
data packets. But, it seems to me that GMPLS uses Label in packet to
"replace" IP address in selecting next hop, that meets the encapsulation
criterion of Layering. But, 6tus does not function in this way, i.e. it
selects the cell and next hop according the TSCH schedule in local.
Correct?

Qin


> Hi, I'd like to follow up that discussion..
>
> My point is close to Pascal's point, i.e 6tus is a similar "thing" as
> GMPLS as 6tus can decide on switching or forwarding according to the
> time slot when a packet comes in. That mapping of input slots/output
> slots in GMPLS is done by a reservation protocol that is specified by
> the GMPLS layer (Label Distribution Protocol) and implemented by a
> higher end-to-end protocol like RSVP-TE. In that sense we can see 6tus
> as the same, an entity that runs on layer 2.xx and knows about time
> slots and when a track is scheduled knows when (what time slot) has to
> be used to forward a packet coming at a specific time slot.
>
> what are your thought?
>
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Hi Qin,

GMPLS does not use in-packet labels, the labels are known at each node 
and the switching is done according to the input time-slot which is 
matched to an output time slot (this applies also for lambda switching 
and wave-length switching supported by GMPLS). So I think that our 
concept is the same, 6tus works on the schedule and can know what slots 
are used to send to the next hop in the track, therefore if we consider 
that 6tus have to deal with switching of packets it is a feature that we 
can address easily.

cheers
Xavi

On 19/04/13 18:52, Qin Wang wrote:
> Pascal and Xavi,
>
> I agree that the behavior of 6tus looks like GMPLS in terms of forwarding
> data packets. But, it seems to me that GMPLS uses Label in packet to
> "replace" IP address in selecting next hop, that meets the encapsulation
> criterion of Layering. But, 6tus does not function in this way, i.e. it
> selects the cell and next hop according the TSCH schedule in local.
> Correct?
>
> Qin
>
>
>> Hi, I'd like to follow up that discussion..
>>
>> My point is close to Pascal's point, i.e 6tus is a similar "thing" as
>> GMPLS as 6tus can decide on switching or forwarding according to the
>> time slot when a packet comes in. That mapping of input slots/output
>> slots in GMPLS is done by a reservation protocol that is specified by
>> the GMPLS layer (Label Distribution Protocol) and implemented by a
>> higher end-to-end protocol like RSVP-TE. In that sense we can see 6tus
>> as the same, an entity that runs on layer 2.xx and knows about time
>> slots and when a track is scheduled knows when (what time slot) has to
>> be used to forward a packet coming at a specific time slot.
>>
>> what are your thought?
>>
>> X
>> _______________________________________________
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All,

You will find the minutes of the last webex below, and the presented slides
attached. Thanks to Xavi and Dominique for taking notes). Please fix
anything I might have missed directly in the e-mail and reply.

These minutes and slides are archived at
https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/.

Thomas

----

Note: timestamps in PDT.

Taking notes (using Etherpad)
-------------------------------

1. Xavi Vilajosana
2. Dominique Barthel
3. Thomas Watteyne

Present (alphabetically)
--------------------------

* Alfredo Grieco
* Dominique Barthel
* Herman Storey
* Maria Rita Palattella
* Pascal Thubert
* Raghuram Sudhaakar
* Robert Assimiti
* Subir Das
* Thomas Watteyne
* Xavi Vilajosana
* Yoshihiro Obha

Slides
------

* Attached

Agenda
------

* change to draft charter [20min]
* Rough consensus on draft draft charter?
* 6tus naming convention [10min]
* Next steps [20min]

Minutes
-------
* [08.06] [Pascal,Yoshihiro] Sync'up about security draft. Pascal met with
Rene Struik, who could help us describe the key exchanges involved in a
6TSCH network. Open questions include how to bootstrap (the security aspect
of) a keys, and what exact keys can be used. Yoshihiro agrees that this
should be discussed.
    * Action Item Pascal to close the loop between Rene and Yoshihiro.
* [08.10]  Overview of the agenda. [Thomas]
* [08.11] Changes to draft charter. [Thomas]
    * overview of changes:
        * Thomas present slides.
        * added term "diversity", as suggested by Tom, as well as "low
power operation"
          > Closes https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/1/
        * In the 6tus draft, limiting the scope of bootstrapping to TSCH,
not security. As suggested by Michael.
          > Closes https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6tsch/issue/2/
            * 6tus  layer  initializes the TSCH vs initializes the whole
network.
            * [Pascal] depends on whether we have the capability to do that
work or not. Boostrapping the network will be better objective but depends
on the 6tus draft. 6tus should cover boostraping slots, cells, etc.
Security is part of the security work item.
            * [Robert] distinguish between network boostrapping and
security boostrapping makes sense. Boostrapping the network is simple,
security aspects are more complex and this has to be in another work item.
Security can be operated from the link layer, etc... too much for the same
work item
            * [Thomas] Let's keep the text as it is now (and as it is on
the slide), le's deal with security in security work item.
            * Action Item Thomas maybe change the nature (informational) of
the security work item.
    * overview of charter
        * Thomas shows charter on shared screen.
        * introduction has grows a lot. Longer than usual charter. Leave it
as this?
        * [Pascal] Other PHY? provide different sizes for the time slot?
make sure that we agree on working group description: the same as previous
weeks. Models: centralized, decentralized, best efforts (minimal
configuration)
        * [Pascal] Determinsm: should we use the term? Let's agree on what
we can achieve. Using 6TSCH, we can provision a track, and know the
probability of end-to-end delivery. Yet, you cannot never have 100%
reliability, because of the nature of wireless.
        * [Herman] Determinsim depends on the applications. Applications
have a tolerance, if you are polling it is not deterministic, applies to
schedule transmission and comes with the tolerance (robot == few ms),  you
can have a network that is not scheduled but provides determinsm because it
is fast enough. Scale and  tolerance are important considerations, slotted
is a practical artifact to implement determinism, clarify whether the
determinism "word" should appear as is in the charter. (keep in but discuss
what it means in our context)
        * [Pascal] We need to be ready for discussions about determinsim in
the BOF.
    * work items.
        * 6 as defined before
    * non-milestone work items:
        * implementers guide
        * inter-operability guide
        * coexistence guide between different protocols  (including
different TSCH)
        * applicability statement
        * All as informational RFCs.
    * [Thomas] Can we reach a consensus on the draft charter language?
        * [all] Rough consensus.
* what to call 6tus.
    * [Thomas] overview of the mailing list (not expressing opinion)
        * 6tus not adaptation layer, since it does not try to fit one
protocol into another
        * no layer as there are no fields added
            * [Pascal]
                * disagree with this statement, since time and frequency
packet is sent on contains inforamtion, and can be used as a label.
                * 6tus has a GMPLS aspect,  6tus layer can switch packets
exactly like GMPLS. We can see 6tus as GMPLS (2.5 layer) that "substitutes"
routing once the schedule is set. So it has some relationship to a layer.
It is not an adaptation layer (no transformation), but it can be described
as a layer.
            * [Robert]
                * As 6tus is a mechanism to agree between the PCE and the
node, 6tus should be called a "protocol".
                * A management entity is not a layer.
                * It is important to clarify whether 6tus includes
information on the headers, and when used. This  is a good indications of
the kind of "thing" we are talking.
            * [Pascal]
                * We have to see 6tus as GMPLS. It is a layer that is able
to decide on routing (what is the next hop) acording to the cell the packet
was received on. A node using 6tus can not forward a packet to the routing
layer if it knows that a packet was received on a particular cell, and if
it has some switching table mapping incoming to outgoing cells. Packets
which can not be switched can be forwarded by the normal routing engine
(RPL).
            * [Dominique]
                * In that sense 6tus is a layer that can forward packets
(layer 2.25?).
 * Next steps
    * [Thomas] With rough consensus on draft charter text, let's resume our
technical discussions.
    * First step is to clean up our drafts, as suggested by Adrian during
last webex.
    * went over all drafts, and contacted authors to discuss possible
changes.
    * Identified issues to be closed before submitting a new version of the
draft
    * Let's get this done in the next couple of weeks.
* [09.04]
    * Action Item Thomas Call for adoption draft charter text.
* [09.05]
    * meeting ends

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>All,</div><div><br></div><div>You will find the =
minutes of the last webex below, and the presented slides attached. Thanks =
to Xavi and Dominique for taking notes). Please fix anything I might have m=
issed directly in the e-mail and reply.</div>


<div><br></div><div>These minutes and slides are archived at <a href=3D"htt=
ps://bitbucket.org/6tsch/meetings/" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org=
/6tsch/meetings/</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div></div><div><div>

<br></div><div>----</div>
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Note: timestamps =
in PDT.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Taking notes (using Etherpa=
d)</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">-------------------------------<=
/font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">1. Xavi Vilajosana</font></div><div=
>

<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">2. Dominique Barthel</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">3. Thomas Watteyne</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">Present (alphabetically)</font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">--------------------------</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">* Alfredo Grieco</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">* Dominique Barthel</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">* Herman Storey</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Maria Rita Palattella</font></=
div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Pascal Thubert</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Raghuram Sudhaakar</font></di=
v>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Robert Assimiti</font></div><d=
iv><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Subir Das</font></div><div><font=
 face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Thomas Watteyne</font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"courier new, monospace">* Xavi Vilajosana</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Yoshihiro Obha</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">Slides</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new,=
 monospace">------</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">* Attached</font></div><div><font face=3D"couri=
er new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospa=
ce">Agenda</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">------</font></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"courier n=
ew, monospace">* change to draft charter [20min]</font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"courier new, monospace">* Rough consensus on draft draft charter?</fon=
t></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* 6tus naming convention [10min]=
</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Next steps [20min=
]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><=
div>


<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">Minutes</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"courier new, monospace">-------</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier =
new, monospace">* [08.06] [Pascal,Yoshihiro] Sync&#39;up about security dra=
ft. Pascal met with Rene Struik, who could help us describe the key exchang=
es involved in a 6TSCH network. Open questions include how to bootstrap (th=
e security aspect of) a keys, and what exact keys can be used. Yoshihiro ag=
rees that this should be discussed.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Action Item Pascal to =
close the loop between Rene and Yoshihiro.</font></div><div><font face=3D"c=
ourier new, monospace">* [08.10] =A0Overview of the agenda. [Thomas]</font>=
</div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [08.11] Changes to draft chart=
er. [Thomas]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0=
 * overview of changes:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospa=
ce">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Thomas present slides.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * added term &qu=
ot;diversity&quot;, as suggested by Tom, as well as &quot;low power operati=
on&quot;</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 &gt; Closes <a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6t=
sch/issue/1/" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-ietf-6t=
sch/issue/1/</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * In the 6tus dr=
aft, limiting the scope of bootstrapping to TSCH, not security. As suggeste=
d by Michael.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; Closes <a href=3D"https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-=
ietf-6tsch/issue/2/" target=3D"_blank">https://bitbucket.org/6tsch/charter-=
ietf-6tsch/issue/2/</a></font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * 6tus =
=A0layer =A0initializes the TSCH vs initializes the whole network.</font></=
div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [P=
ascal] depends on whether we have the capability to do that work or not. Bo=
ostrapping the network will be better objective but depends on the 6tus dra=
ft. 6tus should cover boostraping slots, cells, etc. Security is part of th=
e security work item.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Rober=
t] distinguish between network boostrapping and security boostrapping makes=
 sense. Boostrapping the network is simple, security aspects are more compl=
ex and this has to be in another work item. Security can be operated from t=
he link layer, etc... too much for the same work item</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Thoma=
s] Let&#39;s keep the text as it is now (and as it is on the slide), le&#39=
;s deal with security in security work item.</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Action Item Thomas maybe=
 change the nature (informational) of the security work item.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * overview of charter</f=
ont></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * Thom=
as shows charter on shared screen.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier n=
ew, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * introduction has grows a lot. Longer than =
usual charter. Leave it as this?</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Other=
 PHY? provide different sizes for the time slot? make sure that we agree on=
 working group description: the same as previous weeks. Models: centralized=
, decentralized, best efforts (minimal configuration)</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] Deter=
minsm: should we use the term? Let&#39;s agree on what we can achieve. Usin=
g 6TSCH, we can provision a track, and know the probability of end-to-end d=
elivery. Yet, you cannot never have 100% reliability, because of the nature=
 of wireless.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Herman] Deter=
minsim depends on the applications. Applications have a tolerance, if you a=
re polling it is not deterministic, applies to schedule transmission and co=
mes with the tolerance (robot =3D=3D few ms), =A0you can have a network tha=
t is not scheduled but provides determinsm because it is fast enough. Scale=
 and =A0tolerance are important considerations, slotted is a practical arti=
fact to implement determinism, clarify whether the determinism &quot;word&q=
uot; should appear as is in the charter. (keep in but discuss what it means=
 in our context)</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal] We ne=
ed to be ready for discussions about determinsim in the BOF.</font></div><d=
iv><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * work items.</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * 6 as defined b=
efore</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * non-milestone work ite=
ms:</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
* implementers guide</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace"=
>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * inter-operability guide</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * coexistence gu=
ide between different protocols =A0(including different TSCH)</font></div><=
div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * applicability s=
tatement</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * All as informa=
tional RFCs.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0=
 * [Thomas] Can we reach a consensus on the draft charter language?</font><=
/div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [all] Rou=
gh consensus.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* what to call 6tus.</font></div=
><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] overview of =
the mailing list (not expressing opinion)=A0</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * 6tus not adaptation layer, since=
 it does not try to fit one protocol into another</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * no layer as th=
ere are no fields added=A0</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, mono=
space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pascal]</font></div><div><font face=3D"co=
urier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * disagree with this =
statement, since time and frequency packet is sent on contains inforamtion,=
 and can be used as a label.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
* 6tus has a GMPLS aspect, =A06tus layer can switch packets exactly like GM=
PLS. We can see 6tus as GMPLS (2.5 layer) that &quot;substitutes&quot; rout=
ing once the schedule is set. So it has some relationship to a layer. It is=
 not an adaptation layer (no transformation), but it can be described as a =
layer.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Rober=
t]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * As 6tus is a mechanism to agree between the PCE and the n=
ode, 6tus should be called a &quot;protocol&quot;.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
* A management entity is not a layer.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courie=
r new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * It is important to clar=
ify whether 6tus includes information on the headers, and when used. This =
=A0is a good indications of the kind of &quot;thing&quot; we are talking.</=
font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Pasca=
l]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * We have to see 6tus as GMPLS. It is a layer that is able =
to decide on routing (what is the next hop) acording to the cell the packet=
 was received on. A node using 6tus can not forward a packet to the routing=
 layer if it knows that a packet was received on a particular cell, and if =
it has some switching table mapping incoming to outgoing cells. Packets whi=
ch can not be switched can be forwarded by the normal routing engine (RPL).=
=A0</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * [Domin=
ique]</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * In that sense 6tus is a layer that can forward packet=
s (layer 2.25?).</font></div>

<div>
<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* Next steps</font></div><div><f=
ont face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * [Thomas] With rough consensus=
 on draft charter text, let&#39;s resume our technical discussions.</font><=
/div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * First step is to clean=
 up our drafts, as suggested by Adrian during last webex.</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * went over all drafts, and c=
ontacted authors to discuss possible changes.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Identified issues to b=
e closed before submitting a new version of the draft</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Let&#39;s get this done in the =
next couple of weeks.</font></div>


</div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">* [09.04]</font></div><div=
><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * Action Item Thomas Call fo=
r adoption draft charter text.</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, =
monospace">* [09.05]</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 * meeting ends</font></d=
iv></div></div>

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All,

I would like to resume the discussion we had some weeks ago
concerning synchronization between BBRs.

The topology of interest is the one below, in which multiple BBRs are
present in the network. There can be several advantages of having multiple
BBRs, including:
- load balancing between BBRs
- better overall latency
- greater (path) diversity
- the ability to use a single PCE to manage the multi-BBR LLN

I'm borrowing the figure below from
draft-thubert-6lowpan-backbone-router-03:

               ---+------------------------
                  |      External Network
                  |
               +-----+                  +-----+
               |     | Router           |     | PCE /
               |     |                  |     | Common Net Mgt
               +-----+                  +-----+
                  |                        |
                  |     Subnet Backbone    |
            +--------------------+------------------+
            |                    |                  |
         +-----+             +-----+             +-----+
         |     | Backbone    |     | Backbone    |     | Backbone
    o    |     | router      |     | router      |     | router
         +-----+             +-----+             +-----+
    o                  o                   o                 o   o
        o    o   o         o   o  o   o         o  o   o    o
   o             o        o  LLN      o      o         o      o
      o   o    o      o      o o     o  o   o    o    o     o


In the TSCH context, we have the specificity that our nodes are
synchronized. To be specific, a node's clock needs to be with one guard
time (GT, typically 1ms) of its neighbors'. If we want to take full
advantage of having multiple BBRs (including the possibility for a node to
"roam" from one BBR to the next), we need the BBRs to be synchronized. More
specifically, we need each BBR to be synchronized within a GT of the nodes
surrounding it.

As discussed in earlier threads, there are several techniques one can think
of, which can be classified as in-band (synchronize over the LLN) or
out-of-band (synchronize using a protocol over the BB, or using a common
clock source such as GPS). In-band has some advantages (e.g. BBR can
consist of the same HW as non-BBR nodes), out-of-band has others (e.g. LLN
does no need to be fully connected all the time).

Given this context, I would like to propose the following statements to the
mailing list, and request you comments:

Statement 1. "When multiple BBRs are interconnected by a backbone, these
BBRs MAY be synchronized."
Statement 2. =93When BBRs are synchronized, their relative de-synchronizati=
on
should be in the order of the de-synchronization between two neighbor nodes
in the network.=94
Statement 3. "The mechanism used for synchronizing BBRs is
implementation-specific."

Thomas

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div style>I would like to resume the d=
iscussion we had some weeks ago concerning=A0synchronization=A0between BBRs=
.=A0</div><div style><br></div><div style>The topology of interest is the o=
ne below, in which multiple BBRs are present in the network. There can be s=
everal advantages of having multiple BBRs, including:</div>

<div style>- load balancing between BBRs</div><div style>- better overall l=
atency</div><div style>- greater (path) diversity</div><div style>- the abi=
lity to use a single PCE to manage the multi-BBR LLN</div><div style><br>

</div><div style>I&#39;m borrowing the figure below from draft-thubert-6low=
pan-backbone-router-03:</div><div style><div><br></div><div><font face=3D"c=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 +-----+ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 +-----+=A0</font></=
div>

<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 o =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 o =A0 o</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o =A0 =A0o =A0 o =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o =A0 o =A0o =A0 o =A0 =A0=
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<div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0o =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
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=A0 =A0o</font></div><div><font face=3D"courier new, monospace">=A0 =A0 =A0=
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In the TSCH context, we have the specifi=
city that our nodes are synchronized. To be specific, a node&#39;s clock ne=
eds to be with one guard time (GT, typically 1ms) of its neighbors&#39;. If=
 we want to take full advantage of having multiple BBRs (including the poss=
ibility for a node to &quot;roam&quot; from one BBR to the next), we need t=
he BBRs to be synchronized. More specifically, we need each BBR to be synch=
ronized within a GT of the nodes surrounding it.</div>

<div><br></div><div style>As discussed in earlier threads, there are severa=
l techniques one can think of, which can be classified as in-band (synchron=
ize over the LLN) or out-of-band (synchronize using a protocol over the BB,=
 or using a common clock source such as GPS). In-band has some advantages (=
e.g. BBR can consist of the same HW as non-BBR nodes), out-of-band has othe=
rs (e.g. LLN does no need to be fully connected all the time).</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Given this context, I would like to propose=
 the following statements to the mailing list, and request you comments:</d=
iv><div style><br></div><div style><div>Statement 1. &quot;When multiple BB=
Rs are interconnected by a backbone, these BBRs MAY be synchronized.&quot;<=
/div>

<div>Statement 2. =93When BBRs are synchronized, their relative de-synchron=
ization should be in the order of the de-synchronization between two neighb=
or nodes in the network.=94</div><div>Statement 3. &quot;The mechanism used=
 for synchronizing BBRs is implementation-specific.&quot;</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Thomas</div></div></div></div>

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Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the worldâ€™s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous 
fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a 
payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman 
of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from 
WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. 


We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts 
to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP.  DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped 
indexing WORLDCOMPâ€™s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See 
http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the 
conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific
to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMPâ€™s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabniaâ€™s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMPâ€™13 because of the fears of their image 
being tarnished due to WORLDCOMPâ€™s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMPâ€™13 
is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMPâ€™s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppetâ€™s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.


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  Hi,

I'm implementing 802.15.4e TSCH.

I'm wondering if I should add *all* my active links in an enhanced 
beacon (EB)

Well, for >20 active links, it's not possible to add them all (with the 
127-byte MTU), so I now assume that it's not the goal to add all the 
active links in the EB.


"The TSCH Slotframe and Link IE is used to construct enhanced beacons 
that allow new devices to synchronize to a TSCH PAN."
So, the EB only has to contain the minimum information so that new 
devices can synchronize and join a TSCH PAN?

"The Link Options field indicates whether this link is a TX link, an RX 
link, or a SHARED TX link, and
whether the device to which it is being linked is to be used for clock 
synchronization. The field corresponds
to the Link Options field in the link table for the receiving device."
So, a device sending enhanced beacons, with an RX link advertised, means 
that a joining device should set this as an RX slot?

Well, it makes sense but "Link Information for each Link" in Figure 48gg 
(IEEE802.15.4e standard) is/was a bit confusing..

Thoughts?

Best,
Pieter

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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    I'm implementing 802.15.4e TSCH.<br>
    <br>
    I'm wondering if I should add <b>all</b> my active links in an
    enhanced beacon (EB)<br>
    <br>
    Well, for &gt;20 active links, it's not possible to add them all
    (with the 127-byte MTU), so I now assume that it's not the goal to
    add all the active links in the EB.
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    "The TSCH Slotframe and Link IE is used to construct enhanced
    beacons that allow new devices to
    synchronize to a TSCH PAN."
    <br>
    So, the EB only has to contain the minimum information so that new
    devices can synchronize and join a TSCH PAN?
    <br>
    <br>
    "The Link Options field indicates whether this link is a TX link, an
    RX link, or a SHARED TX link, and
    <br>
    whether the device to which it is being linked is to be used for
    clock synchronization. The field corresponds
    <br>
    to the Link Options field in the link table for the receiving
    device."
    <br>
    So, a device sending enhanced beacons, with an RX link advertised,
    means that a joining device should set this as an RX slot?
    <br>
    <br>
    Well, it makes sense but "Link Information for each Link" in Figure
    48gg (IEEE802.15.4e standard) is/was a bit confusing..
    <br>
    <br>
    Thoughts?<br>
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    Best,
    <br>
    Pieter
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Dear all,
I have started investigating the RFC5440 "Path Computation Element Communic=
ation Protocol (PCEP)" in order to check " if" and "how" it could fit in ou=
r 6TSCH architecture.
In detail, I wanted to see if we could use PCEP + TASA (Traffic Aware Sched=
uling Algorithm) for computing and distributing the schedule from the PCE t=
o the nodes in a 6TSCH architecture that uses a centralized scheduling algo=
rithm.
I had some preliminary discussion already with Thomas on this topic, but le=
t's discuss all together on the ML. We would like to have your feedback in =
order to see if we can really use PCEP, and how we can fix some open issues=
 in the 6TSCH context.
I will use some extracts from the RFC5440, that summarize the behavior of t=
he protocol, and show features that we could exploit.
This will result in a *very long* email. Sorry for that. And thanks for goi=
ng through it, and come back to me with your comments, questions, suggestio=
ns.
Maria Rita

>>PCEP is such a protocol designed specifically for communications between =
a PCC and a PCE [...] a PCC may use PCEP to send a path computation request=
 for one or more TE LSPs to a PCE, and the PCE may reply with a set of comp=
uted paths if one or more paths can be found that satisfies the set of cons=
traints.
>> PCC:  Path Computation Client; any client application requesting a path =
computation to be performed by a Path Computation Element.
>> PCE:  Path Computation Element; an entity (component, application, or ne=
twork node) that is capable of computing a network path or route based on a=
 network graph and applying computational constraints.
>> Explicit path:  Full explicit path from start to destination; made of a =
list of strict hops where a hop may be an abstract node such as an AS.
 [MR] The explicit path could be seen as a 6TSCH track, composed by hard ce=
lls.

>> [...] it is assumed that the PCE has the required information (usually i=
ncluding network topology and resource information) so as to perform the co=
mputation of a path for a TE LSP.  Such information can be gathered by rout=
ing protocols or by some other means.  The way in which the information is =
gathered is out of the scope of this document (i.e, RFC5440).
 [Thomas] Is that not a bit limiting? This means that we need one protocol =
(PCEP) to send data from the PCE to the motes, and another for stats and to=
pological and requirement data to go from the motes to the PCE.
 [MR] Yes, it is. Like 15.4e TSCH that uses a schedule but it doesn't speci=
fy how to build and distribute it, PCEP does not define how to collect the =
required information (network topology, requirements) used for computing pa=
ths. But the motes can specify the requirements of the requested path withi=
n the PCReq messages.

>>  Transport Protocol. PCEP operates over TCP using a registered TCP port =
(4189). This allows the requirements of reliable messaging and flow control=
 to be met without further protocol work. All PCEP messages MUST be sent us=
ing the registered TCP port for the source and destination TCP port.
 [Thomas] can PCEP run on something else than TCP? It looks like no. There =
is always the possibility for proposing a UDP version of PCEP, but it's unc=
lear to me how much rework is required.
[MR] According to the RFC5440, a PCEP session can be established ONLY  over=
 a  TCP connection. In other words, first a TCP connection (3-way handshake=
) between the PCC and the PCE has to be established, and after a PCEP sessi=
on can be started. About proposing an UDP version of PCEP, it is something =
to be investigated.

>> Once the PCC has selected a PCE, it sends a Path Computation Request to =
the PCE (PCReq message) that contains a variety of objects that
specify the set of constraints and attributes for the path to be computed. =
 For example, "Compute a TE LSP path with source IP address=3Dx.y.z.t,
 destination IP address=3Dx'.y'.z'.t', bandwidth=3DB Mbit/s, Setup/Holding =
priority=3DP, ...".  Additionally, the PCC may desire to specify the urgenc=
y
 of such request by assigning a request priority.

[Thomas]If the PCE received a PCReq to go from A to B, is there a way for t=
he PCE to contact all the motes along the multi-hop path between A and B an=
d
install cells/links? it looks like the PCE is only used to calculate a mult=
i-hop path on an already existing topology.
[MR]I agree with you. PCEP can set up a multi-hop path on an already existi=
ng topology. There is correspondence 1-to-1 between PCReq and PCRep. Thus, =
it seems that PCE cannot contact the motes along the multi-hop path between=
 A and B. BUT... PCEP include some RP in the messages (see below)
 >>A Path Computation Reply(PCRep) Message can contain either a set of comp=
uted paths if the request can be satisfied, or a negative reply if not.  Th=
e negative reply may indicate the reason why no path could be found.
>>The RP (Request Parameters) object MUST be carried within each PCReq and =
PCRep messages. The RP object is used to specify various characteristics of=
 the path computation request.
 >> The END-POINTS object is used in a PCReq message to specify the source =
IP address and the destination IP address of the path for which a path comp=
utation is requested. Note that the source and destination addresses specif=
ied in the END-POINTS object may correspond to the source and destination I=
P address of the TE LSP or to those of a path segment.
 [MR] Setting the END-POINT object, maybe it could be possible to allocate =
cells/links for each path segment. This is something to be investigated.
 >>The BANDWIDTH object is used to specify the requested bandwidth for a TE=
 LSP. The notion of bandwidth is similar to the one used for RSVP >>signali=
ng in [RFC2205], [RFC3209], and [RFC3473].
 >>The METRIC object is optional and can be used for several purposes. In a=
 PCReq message, a PCC MAY insert one or more METRIC objects:
 o To indicate the metric that MUST be optimized by the path computation al=
gorithm (IGP metric, TE metric, hop counts).
Currently, three metrics are defined: the IGP cost, the TE metric (see [RFC=
3785]), and the number of hops traversed by a TE LSP.
 o To indicate a bound on the path cost that MUST NOT be exceeded for the p=
ath to be considered as acceptable by the PCC.
 >>The path computation algorithmic aspects used by the PCE to optimize a p=
ath with respect to a specific metric are outside the scope of this >>docum=
ent.
[MR] TASA could be a possible algorithm for computing the path. It seems to=
 fits well with the RFC5440 Specification.

TASA provides a method to the PCE for computing a network path, based on th=
e network graph and applying computational constraints (i.e., selecting dup=
lex- and
interference-free conflict links, according to local and global queue level=
).
Each node in the TSCH TASA-based network could act as PCC (Path Computation=
 Client), requesting a path computation to be performed by the PCE. In deta=
il, with the PCReq message,
the PCC asks the PCE to compute a path toward it (thus, source IP address =
=3D PCC IP address, destination IP address =3D PCE destination address), ha=
ving a  given bandwidth, equal to the number of packets it wants to transmi=
t (i.e., TASA local queue level, or  in other word, traffic load offered by=
 the single node to the network).
After having collected all the PCReq messages from all the nodes in the net=
work, the PCE can build a schedule, setting one or more paths for each PCC.
Once, the schedule has been built according to TASA matching and coloring p=
rocedures, it is transmitted to each node in the network, using PCRep messa=
ges.
Then, the 6TSCH 6TUS adaptation protocol can provide the functionality for =
delivering the traffic in the queues, according to the schedule built with =
TASA+PCEP.

Some Open ISSUES:

Q1: How the PCE collect the information related to the network graph?
R1: Note that this is out of the scope of both RCF5440 and TASA. However, w=
e may suppose that such information are provided by the routing protocol, R=
PL, as suggested in RFC5440.
"How" still has to be defined!
[Thomas] Agreed, that's a really important point.

Q2: How the network is set up before implementing TASA+PCEP for building th=
e schedule?
R2: TASA does not specify how the network is built. In fact, TASA runs over=
 a network that has been already built, and that needs a schedule in order
to allow traffic-flow exchanges (i.e., transmissions between each node and =
the PCE). Maybe, 6TUS could fill this gap and provide the functionality for=
 the 15.4e TSCH network formation.

[Thomas] I believe the "minimal" use case identified in the charter covers =
this.

Q3: Is there any need to change the PCReq and PCRep messages format, for al=
lowing the integration of PCEP with TASA?
[MR] there could be such need.


Q4:How the info in the PCRep messages can be used by 6TUS?

[Thomas] The entity in the motes which received PCRep message simply send c=
ommands over the 6tus interface.

Q5: How would a TASA+PCEP solution work for P2P traffic? That is, data flow=
ing from a switch to a light without going through the DAGroot?
[MR]TASA supports multi-point-to-point traffic (from each mote in the netwo=
rk to the DODAGroot). PCEP support P2P traffic. TASA+PCEP maybe could suppo=
rt P2P traffic. This is something to be investigated.



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">Dear all,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">I have started investigating the<b> RFC5440 &#8220;Path Co=
mputation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP)&#8221;
</b>in order to check &quot; if&quot; and &quot;how&quot; it could fit in o=
ur 6TSCH architecture. </span>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">In detail, I wanted to see if we could use
<b>PCEP &#43; TASA (Traffic Aware Scheduling Algorithm) </b>for computing a=
nd distributing the schedule from the PCE to the nodes in a 6TSCH architect=
ure that uses a centralized scheduling algorithm.&nbsp; &nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">I had some preliminary discussion already with Thomas on t=
his topic, but let's discuss all together on the
 ML. We would like to have your feedback in order to see if we can really u=
se PCEP, and how we can fix some open issues in the 6TSCH context.</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">I will use some extracts from the RFC5440, that summarize =
the behavior of the protocol, and show features
 that we could exploit.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">This will result in a *very long* email. Sorry for that. A=
nd thanks for going through it, and come back to
 me with your comments, questions, suggestions.</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">Maria Rita</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt;PCEP is such a protocol designed specifically for communications=
 between a PCC and a PCE [&#8230;] a PCC may use PCEP to send
 a path computation request for one or more TE LSPs to a PCE, and the PCE m=
ay reply with a set of computed paths if one or more paths can be found tha=
t satisfies the set of constraints.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt; PCC:&nbsp; Path Computation Client; any client application requ=
esting a path computation to be performed by a Path Computation
 Element.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt; PCE:&nbsp; Path Computation Element; an entity (component, appl=
ication, or network node) that is capable of computing a network
 path or route based on a network graph and applying computational constrai=
nts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt; Explicit path:&nbsp; Full explicit path from start to destinati=
on; made of a list of
<u>strict hops</u> where a hop may be an abstract node such as an AS.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">&nbsp;[MR] The explicit path could be seen as a 6TSCH trac=
k, composed by hard cells.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt; [&#8230;] it is assumed that the PCE has the required informati=
on (usually including network topology and resource information)
 so as to perform the computation of a path for a TE LSP.&nbsp; Such inform=
ation can be gathered by routing protocols or by some other means.&nbsp; Th=
e way in which the information is gathered is out of the scope of this docu=
ment (i.e, RFC5440).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">[Thomas] Is that not a bit
 limiting? This means that we need one protocol (PCEP) to send data from th=
e PCE to the motes, and another for stats and topological and requirement d=
ata to go from the motes to the PCE.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;color:#000099">&nbsp;[MR] Yes, it is. Like 15.4e TSCH that uses a schedul=
e but it doesn&#8217;t specify how to build and distribute
 it, PCEP does not define how to collect the required information (network =
topology, requirements) used for computing paths. But the motes can specify=
 the requirements of the requested path within the PCReq messages.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; Transport Protocol. PCEP operates over TCP using a regist=
ered TCP port (4189). This allows the requirements of reliable
 messaging and flow control to be met without further protocol work. All PC=
EP messages MUST be sent using the registered TCP port for the source and d=
estination TCP port.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">&nbsp;<span style=3D"color:#006600">[Thomas] can PCEP run on something e=
lse than TCP? It looks like no. There is always the possibility
 for proposing a UDP version of PCEP, but it's unclear to me how much rewor=
k is required.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR] According to the RFC5440, a PCEP session can be established ON=
LY&nbsp; over a&nbsp; TCP connection. In other words, first a TCP connectio=
n (3-way handshake) between the PCC and the PCE has to
 be established, and after a PCEP session can be started. About proposing a=
n UDP version of PCEP, it is something to be investigated.</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; Once =
the PCC has selected a PCE, it sends a Path Computation Request to the PCE =
(PCReq message) that contains a variety of objects that
<br>
specify the set of constraints and attributes for the path to be computed.&=
nbsp; For example, &quot;Compute a TE LSP path with source IP address=3Dx.y=
.z.t,<br>
&nbsp;destination IP address=3Dx'.y'.z'.t', bandwidth=3DB Mbit/s, Setup/Hol=
ding priority=3DP, ...&quot;.&nbsp; Additionally, the PCC may desire to spe=
cify the urgency<br>
&nbsp;of such request by assigning a request priority.&nbsp; </span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">[Thomas]If the =
PCE received a PCReq to go from A to B, is there a way for the PCE to conta=
ct all the motes along the multi-hop path between
 A and B and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">install cells/l=
inks? it looks like the PCE is only used to calculate a multi-hop path on a=
n already existing topology.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR]I agree with you. PCEP can set up a multi-hop path on an alread=
y existing topology. There is correspondence 1-to-1 between PCReq and PCRep=
. Thus, it seems that PCE cannot contact the
 motes along the multi-hop path between A and B. BUT&#8230; PCEP include so=
me RP in the messages (see below)</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;;color:#0070C0">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;A Path Computation Reply(=
PCRep) Message can contain either a set of computed paths if the request
 can be satisfied, or a negative reply if not.&nbsp; The negative reply may=
 indicate the reason why no path could be found.</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;The RP (Request Parameters) object MUST be carried=
 within each PCReq and PCRep messages. The RP object is used to specify var=
ious characteristics of the path computation request.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
&gt;&gt; The END-POINTS object is used in a PCReq message to specify the so=
urce IP address and the destination IP address of the path for which a path=
 computation is requested. Note that the source and destination
 addresses specified in the END-POINTS object may correspond to the source =
and destination IP address of the TE LSP or to those of a path segment.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
</span><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;;color:#000099">[MR] Setting the END-POINT object, maybe it coul=
d be possible to allocate cells/links for each path segment. This
 is something to be investigated.</span><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#0070C0">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
&gt;&gt;The BANDWIDTH object is used to specify the requested bandwidth for=
 a TE LSP. The notion of bandwidth is similar to the one used for RSVP &gt;=
&gt;signaling in [RFC2205], [RFC3209], and [RFC3473].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
&gt;&gt;The METRIC object is optional and can be used for several purposes.=
 In a PCReq message, a PCC MAY insert one or more METRIC objects:<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
o To indicate the metric that MUST be optimized by the path computation alg=
orithm (IGP metric, TE metric, hop counts).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Curren=
tly, three metrics are defined: the IGP cost, the TE metric (see [RFC3785])=
, and the number of hops traversed by a TE LSP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
o To indicate a bound on the path cost that MUST NOT be exceeded for the pa=
th to be considered as acceptable by the PCC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;=
<u>&gt;&gt;The path computation algorithmic aspects used by the PCE to opti=
mize a path with respect to a specific metric are outside the scope of this=
 &gt;&gt;document.</u><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">[MR] TASA could=
 be a possible algorithm for computing the path. It seems to
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;">fits well with the RFC5440 Specification.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
TASA provides a method to the PCE for computing a network path, based on th=
e network graph and applying computational constraints
 (i.e., selecting duplex- and <br>
interference-free conflict links, according to local and global queue level=
).</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Each node in the TSCH TASA-based network could act as PCC (Path Computation=
 Client), requesting a path computation to be performed
 by the PCE. In detail, with the PCReq message,<br>
the PCC asks the PCE to compute a path toward it (thus, source IP address =
=3D PCC IP address, destination IP address =3D PCE destination address), ha=
ving a&nbsp; given bandwidth, equal to the number of packets it wants to tr=
ansmit (i.e., TASA local queue level, or&nbsp;
 in other word, traffic load offered by the single node to the network).</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
After having collected all the PCReq messages from all the nodes in the net=
work, the PCE can build a schedule, setting one or
 more paths for each PCC.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Once, the schedule has been built according to TASA matching and coloring p=
rocedures, it is transmitted to each node in the network,
 using PCRep messages.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Then, the 6TSCH 6TUS adaptation protocol can provide the functionality for =
delivering the traffic in the queues, according to
 the schedule built with TASA&#43;PCEP. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Some Open I=
SSUES:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q1:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> How the PCE collect the information related to the
 network graph?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">R1:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> Note that this is out of the scope of both RCF5440
 and TASA. However, we may suppose that such information are provided by th=
e routing protocol, RPL, as suggested in RFC5440.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&#8220;How&#82=
21; still has to be defined!</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;;color:#00B050">[Thomas] Agreed, that's a really important point.</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q2:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> How the network is set up before implementing TASA&#43;PCEP
 for building the schedule?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">R2:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> TASA does not specify how the network is built. In
 fact, TASA runs over a network that has been already built, and that needs=
 a schedule in order
<br>
to allow traffic-flow exchanges (i.e., transmissions between each node and =
the PCE). Maybe, 6TUS could fill this gap and provide the functionality for=
 the 15.4e TSCH network formation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"IT" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#00B050">[Th=
omas] I believe the &quot;minimal&quot; use case identified in the charter =
covers this.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q3:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">Is there any need to change the PCReq and PCRep message=
s format, for allowing the integration of PCEP with TASA?<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
[MR] there could be such need.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q4:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;">How the info in the PCRep messages can be used by 6TUS?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"IT" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#00B050">[Th=
omas] The entity in the motes which received PCRep message simply send comm=
ands over the 6tus interface.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q5:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&qu=
ot;"> How would a TASA&#43;PCEP solution work for P2P traffic? That is, dat=
a flowing from a switch to a light without going through the
 DAGroot?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR]TASA supports multi-point-to-point traffic (from each mote in t=
he network to the DODAGroot). PCEP support P2P traffic. TASA&#43;PCEP maybe=
 could support P2P traffic. This is something to
 be investigated.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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My reading of the standard is that the EB contains just enough information
for the new mote to join the network. Of course, what this exactly is
depends on the application.

In the context of 6TSCH, this could be:
- a set of (shared) links in the best effort case. This could, in fact, be
the final set the mote gets, i.e. all motes communicate on a number of
shared links in a "slotted Aloha" fashion. This has the merit of being
extremely simple (e.g. for interop), but does not allow for much
optimization.
- a set of links to contact the neighbor which sends the EB. This can be
used in the distributed cases as a bootstrap for a distributed reservation
protocol.
- a set of links to contact the PCE through the neighbor which sends the
EB. This can be used in the centralize case: the neighbor serves as a
temporary proxy until the PCE has decided what to do with that new mote
(possibly installing more links).

Fantastic to hear that you're implementing TSCH. What platform are you
using?

We should for sure coordinate with the OpenWSN team to ensure
interoperability directly from the start. The easiest is probably to start
with schedule "slotted Aloha" schedule shown in
https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OW/Schedules.

Thomas


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Pieter De Mil <pieter@demil.be> wrote:

> **
> Hi,
>
> I'm implementing 802.15.4e TSCH.
>
> I'm wondering if I should add *all* my active links in an enhanced beacon
> (EB)
>
> Well, for >20 active links, it's not possible to add them all (with the
> 127-byte MTU), so I now assume that it's not the goal to add all the active
> links in the EB.
>
>
> "The TSCH Slotframe and Link IE is used to construct enhanced beacons that
> allow new devices to synchronize to a TSCH PAN."
> So, the EB only has to contain the minimum information so that new devices
> can synchronize and join a TSCH PAN?
>
> "The Link Options field indicates whether this link is a TX link, an RX
> link, or a SHARED TX link, and
> whether the device to which it is being linked is to be used for clock
> synchronization. The field corresponds
> to the Link Options field in the link table for the receiving device."
> So, a device sending enhanced beacons, with an RX link advertised, means
> that a joining device should set this as an RX slot?
>
> Well, it makes sense but "Link Information for each Link" in Figure 48gg
> (IEEE802.15.4e standard) is/was a bit confusing..
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Best,
> Pieter
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My reading of the standard is that the EB contains just en=
ough information for the new mote to join the network. Of course, what this=
 exactly is depends on the application.<div><br></div><div>In the context o=
f 6TSCH, this could be:</div>

<div>- a set of (shared) links in the best effort case. This could, in fact=
, be the final set the mote gets, i.e. all motes communicate on a number of=
 shared links in a &quot;slotted Aloha&quot; fashion. This has the merit of=
 being extremely simple (e.g. for interop), but does not allow for much opt=
imization.</div>

<div>- a set of links to contact the neighbor which sends the EB. This can =
be used in the distributed cases as a bootstrap for a=A0distributed=A0reser=
vation protocol.</div><div>- a set of links to contact the PCE through the =
neighbor which sends the EB. This can be used in the centralize case: the n=
eighbor serves as a temporary proxy until the PCE has decided what to do wi=
th that new mote (possibly installing more links).</div>

<div><br></div><div>Fantastic to hear that you&#39;re implementing TSCH. Wh=
at platform are you using?</div><div><br></div><div>We should for sure coor=
dinate with the OpenWSN team to ensure interoperability directly from the s=
tart. The easiest is probably to start with schedule &quot;slotted Aloha&qu=
ot; schedule shown in=A0<a href=3D"https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/displ=
ay/OW/Schedules">https://openwsn.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OW/Schedules</a=
>.</div>

<div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Pieter=
 De Mil <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pieter@demil.be" target=3D"=
_blank">pieter@demil.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

 =20

   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    I&#39;m implementing 802.15.4e TSCH.<br>
    <br>
    I&#39;m wondering if I should add <b>all</b> my active links in an
    enhanced beacon (EB)<br>
    <br>
    Well, for &gt;20 active links, it&#39;s not possible to add them all
    (with the 127-byte MTU), so I now assume that it&#39;s not the goal to
    add all the active links in the EB.
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    &quot;The TSCH Slotframe and Link IE is used to construct enhanced
    beacons that allow new devices to
    synchronize to a TSCH PAN.&quot;
    <br>
    So, the EB only has to contain the minimum information so that new
    devices can synchronize and join a TSCH PAN?
    <br>
    <br>
    &quot;The Link Options field indicates whether this link is a TX link, =
an
    RX link, or a SHARED TX link, and
    <br>
    whether the device to which it is being linked is to be used for
    clock synchronization. The field corresponds
    <br>
    to the Link Options field in the link table for the receiving
    device.&quot;
    <br>
    So, a device sending enhanced beacons, with an RX link advertised,
    means that a joining device should set this as an RX slot?
    <br>
    <br>
    Well, it makes sense but &quot;Link Information for each Link&quot; in =
Figure
    48gg (IEEE802.15.4e standard) is/was a bit confusing..
    <br>
    <br>
    Thoughts?<br>
    <br>
    Best,
    <br>
    Pieter
    <br>
  </div>

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Maria Rita,

Awesome! Thanks for putting this on the ML.

One important step I think is to decide what we want the scope of this
protocol to be.

Here are a couple of thoughts on what the goals are (I'm at the airport, so
please forgive the not-so-organized nature of this e-mail):
- this is the protocol used for signalling messages to flow between the PCE
and the nodes in the network
- the nodes use this protocol (if possible) to tell the PCE how they are
doing. This includes topological information, traffic requirements, etc.
- what happens in the PCE is independent from this protocol,
- the PCE uses this protocol to drive the network schedule, installing and
moving tracks in the network, probably using mostly hard cells.

On top of this, I can think on the following requirements:
- reuse existing protocols and techniques as much as possible
- security: nodes and PCE should be able to authenticate each other. It
might also be useful to ensure confidentiality, so that a node can not
overhear the traffic between the PCE and another node.
- simplicity and applicability to out simple LLNs (i.e. small state, small
overhead,...)

Thoughts?

Thomas


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Maria Rita PALATTELLA <
maria-rita.palattella@uni.lu> wrote:

>  Dear all,****
>
> I have started investigating the* RFC5440 =93Path Computation Element
> Communication Protocol (PCEP)=94 *in order to check " if" and "how" it
> could fit in our 6TSCH architecture. ****
>
> In detail, I wanted to see if we could use *PCEP + TASA (Traffic Aware
> Scheduling Algorithm) *for computing and distributing the schedule from
> the PCE to the nodes in a 6TSCH architecture that uses a centralized
> scheduling algorithm.    ****
>
> I had some preliminary discussion already with Thomas on this topic, but
> let's discuss all together on the ML. We would like to have your feedback
> in order to see if we can really use PCEP, and how we can fix some open
> issues in the 6TSCH context.****
>
> I will use some extracts from the RFC5440, that summarize the behavior of
> the protocol, and show features that we could exploit.****
>
> This will result in a *very long* email. Sorry for that. And thanks for
> going through it, and come back to me with your comments, questions,
> suggestions.****
>
> Maria Rita****
>
> ** **
>
> >>PCEP is such a protocol designed specifically for communications betwee=
n
> a PCC and a PCE [=85] a PCC may use PCEP to send a path computation reque=
st
> for one or more TE LSPs to a PCE, and the PCE may reply with a set of
> computed paths if one or more paths can be found that satisfies the set o=
f
> constraints.****
>
> >> PCC:  Path Computation Client; any client application requesting a pat=
h
> computation to be performed by a Path Computation Element.****
>
> >> PCE:  Path Computation Element; an entity (component, application, or
> network node) that is capable of computing a network path or route based =
on
> a network graph and applying computational constraints.****
>
> >> Explicit path:  Full explicit path from start to destination; made of =
a
> list of *strict hops* where a hop may be an abstract node such as an AS.*=
*
> **
>
>  [MR] The explicit path could be seen as a 6TSCH track, composed by hard
> cells.****
>
>  ****
>
> >> [=85] it is assumed that the PCE has the required information (usually
> including network topology and resource information) so as to perform the
> computation of a path for a TE LSP.  Such information can be gathered by
> routing protocols or by some other means.  The way in which the informati=
on
> is gathered is out of the scope of this document (i.e, RFC5440). ****
>
>  [Thomas] Is that not a bit limiting? This means that we need one
> protocol (PCEP) to send data from the PCE to the motes, and another for
> stats and topological and requirement data to go from the motes to the PC=
E.
> ****
>
>  [MR] Yes, it is. Like 15.4e TSCH that uses a schedule but it doesn=92t
> specify how to build and distribute it, PCEP does not define how to colle=
ct
> the required information (network topology, requirements) used for
> computing paths. But the motes can specify the requirements of the
> requested path within the PCReq messages. ****
>
>  ****
>
> >>  Transport Protocol. PCEP operates over TCP using a registered TCP por=
t
> (4189). This allows the requirements of reliable messaging and flow contr=
ol
> to be met without further protocol work. All PCEP messages MUST be sent
> using the registered TCP port for the source and destination TCP port.***=
*
>
>  [Thomas] can PCEP run on something else than TCP? It looks like no.
> There is always the possibility for proposing a UDP version of PCEP, but
> it's unclear to me how much rework is required.****
>
> [MR] According to the RFC5440, a PCEP session can be established ONLY
> over a  TCP connection. In other words, first a TCP connection (3-way
> handshake) between the PCC and the PCE has to be established, and after a
> PCEP session can be started. About proposing an UDP version of PCEP, it i=
s
> something to be investigated.****
>
> ** **
>
> >> Once the PCC has selected a PCE, it sends a Path Computation Request t=
o
> the PCE (PCReq message) that contains a variety of objects that
> specify the set of constraints and attributes for the path to be
> computed.  For example, "Compute a TE LSP path with source IP
> address=3Dx.y.z.t,
>  destination IP address=3Dx'.y'.z'.t', bandwidth=3DB Mbit/s, Setup/Holdin=
g
> priority=3DP, ...".  Additionally, the PCC may desire to specify the urge=
ncy
>  of such request by assigning a request priority.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> [Thomas]If the PCE received a PCReq to go from A to B, is there a way for
> the PCE to contact all the motes along the multi-hop path between A and B
> and****
>
> install cells/links? it looks like the PCE is only used to calculate a
> multi-hop path on an already existing topology.****
>
> [MR]I agree with you. PCEP can set up a multi-hop path on an already
> existing topology. There is correspondence 1-to-1 between PCReq and PCRep=
.
> Thus, it seems that PCE cannot contact the motes along the multi-hop path
> between A and B. BUT=85 PCEP include some RP in the messages (see below)*=
***
>
>  >>A Path Computation Reply(PCRep) Message can contain either a set of
> computed paths if the request can be satisfied, or a negative reply if
> not.  The negative reply may indicate the reason why no path could be fou=
nd.
> ****
>
> >>The RP (Request Parameters) object MUST be carried within each PCReq an=
d
> PCRep messages. The RP object is used to specify various characteristics =
of
> the path computation request. ****
>
>  >> The END-POINTS object is used in a PCReq message to specify the sourc=
e
> IP address and the destination IP address of the path for which a path
> computation is requested. Note that the source and destination addresses
> specified in the END-POINTS object may correspond to the source and
> destination IP address of the TE LSP or to those of a path segment.****
>
>  [MR] Setting the END-POINT object, maybe it could be possible to
> allocate cells/links for each path segment. This is something to be
> investigated. ****
>
>  >>The BANDWIDTH object is used to specify the requested bandwidth for a
> TE LSP. The notion of bandwidth is similar to the one used for RSVP
> >>signaling in [RFC2205], [RFC3209], and [RFC3473].****
>
>  >>The METRIC object is optional and can be used for several purposes. In
> a PCReq message, a PCC MAY insert one or more METRIC objects:****
>
>  o To indicate the metric that MUST be optimized by the path computation
> algorithm (IGP metric, TE metric, hop counts).****
>
> Currently, three metrics are defined: the IGP cost, the TE metric (see
> [RFC3785]), and the number of hops traversed by a TE LSP.****
>
>  o To indicate a bound on the path cost that MUST NOT be exceeded for the
> path to be considered as acceptable by the PCC.****
>
>  *>>The path computation algorithmic aspects used by the PCE to optimize
> a path with respect to a specific metric are outside the scope of this
> >>document.*****
>
> [MR] TASA could be a possible algorithm for computing the path. It seems
> to fits well with the RFC5440 Specification.****
>
> ** **
>
> TASA provides a method to the PCE for computing a network path, based on
> the network graph and applying computational constraints (i.e., selecting
> duplex- and
> interference-free conflict links, according to local and global queue
> level).****
>
> Each node in the TSCH TASA-based network could act as PCC (Path
> Computation Client), requesting a path computation to be performed by the
> PCE. In detail, with the PCReq message,
> the PCC asks the PCE to compute a path toward it (thus, source IP address
> =3D PCC IP address, destination IP address =3D PCE destination address), =
having
> a  given bandwidth, equal to the number of packets it wants to transmit
> (i.e., TASA local queue level, or  in other word, traffic load offered by
> the single node to the network).****
>
> After having collected all the PCReq messages from all the nodes in the
> network, the PCE can build a schedule, setting one or more paths for each
> PCC.****
>
> Once, the schedule has been built according to TASA matching and coloring
> procedures, it is transmitted to each node in the network, using PCRep
> messages.****
>
> Then, the 6TSCH 6TUS adaptation protocol can provide the functionality fo=
r
> delivering the traffic in the queues, according to the schedule built wit=
h
> TASA+PCEP. ****
>
>  ****
>
> *Some Open ISSUES:*
>
> ** **
>
> *Q1:* How the PCE collect the information related to the network graph?**=
*
> *
>
> *R1:* Note that this is out of the scope of both RCF5440 and TASA.
> However, we may suppose that such information are provided by the routing
> protocol, RPL, as suggested in RFC5440.****
>
> =93How=94 still has to be defined!****
>
> [Thomas] Agreed, that's a really important point.****
>
> ** **
>
> *Q2:* How the network is set up before implementing TASA+PCEP for
> building the schedule?****
>
> *R2:* TASA does not specify how the network is built. In fact, TASA runs
> over a network that has been already built, and that needs a schedule in
> order
> to allow traffic-flow exchanges (i.e., transmissions between each node an=
d
> the PCE). Maybe, 6TUS could fill this gap and provide the functionality f=
or
> the 15.4e TSCH network formation.****
>
> ** **
>
> [Thomas] I believe the "minimal" use case identified in the charter cover=
s
> this.****
>
>  ****
>
> *Q3: *Is there any need to change the PCReq and PCRep messages format,
> for allowing the integration of PCEP with TASA?****
>
> [MR] there could be such need.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Q4:*How the info in the PCRep messages can be used by 6TUS?****
>
> ** **
>
> [Thomas] The entity in the motes which received PCRep message simply send
> commands over the 6tus interface. ****
>
>  ****
>
> *Q5:* How would a TASA+PCEP solution work for P2P traffic? That is, data
> flowing from a switch to a light without going through the DAGroot?****
>
> [MR]TASA supports multi-point-to-point traffic (from each mote in the
> network to the DODAGroot). PCEP support P2P traffic. TASA+PCEP maybe coul=
d
> support P2P traffic. This is something to be investigated.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Maria Rita,<div style><br></div><div style>Awesome! Thanks=
 for putting this on the ML.</div><div style><br></div><div style>One impor=
tant step I think is to decide what we want the scope of this protocol to b=
e.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Here are a couple of thoughts on what the g=
oals are (I&#39;m at the airport, so please forgive the not-so-organized na=
ture of this e-mail):</div><div style>- this is the protocol used for signa=
lling messages to flow between the PCE and the nodes in the network</div>

<div style>- the nodes use this protocol (if possible) to tell the PCE how =
they are doing. This includes topological information, traffic requirements=
, etc.</div><div style>- what happens in the PCE is independent from this p=
rotocol,</div>

<div style>- the PCE uses this protocol to drive the network schedule, inst=
alling and moving tracks in the network, probably using mostly hard cells.<=
/div><div style><br></div><div style>On top of this, I can think on the fol=
lowing requirements:</div>

<div style>- reuse existing protocols and techniques as much as possible</d=
iv><div style>- security: nodes and PCE should be able to authenticate each=
 other. It might also be useful to ensure confidentiality, so that a node c=
an not overhear the traffic between the PCE and another node.</div>

<div style>- simplicity and applicability to out simple LLNs (i.e. small st=
ate, small overhead,...)</div><div style><br></div><div style>Thoughts?</di=
v><div style><br></div><div style>Thomas</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra">

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Maria R=
ita PALATTELLA <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:maria-rita.palattell=
a@uni.lu" target=3D"_blank">maria-rita.palattella@uni.lu</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">Dear all,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">I have started investigating the<b> RFC5440 =
=93Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP)=94
</b>in order to check &quot; if&quot; and &quot;how&quot; it could fit in o=
ur 6TSCH architecture. </span>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">In detail, I wanted to see if we could use
<b>PCEP + TASA (Traffic Aware Scheduling Algorithm) </b>for computing and d=
istributing the schedule from the PCE to the nodes in a 6TSCH architecture =
that uses a centralized scheduling algorithm.=A0 =A0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">I had some preliminary discussion already wi=
th Thomas on this topic, but let&#39;s discuss all together on the
 ML. We would like to have your feedback in order to see if we can really u=
se PCEP, and how we can fix some open issues in the 6TSCH context.</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">I will use some extracts from the RFC5440, t=
hat summarize the behavior of the protocol, and show features
 that we could exploit.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">This will result in a *very long* email. Sor=
ry for that. And thanks for going through it, and come back to
 me with your comments, questions, suggestions.</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">Maria Rita</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;PCEP is such a protocol designed specifically for =
communications between a PCC and a PCE [=85] a PCC may use PCEP to send
 a path computation request for one or more TE LSPs to a PCE, and the PCE m=
ay reply with a set of computed paths if one or more paths can be found tha=
t satisfies the set of constraints.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; PCC:=A0 Path Computation Client; any client appli=
cation requesting a path computation to be performed by a Path Computation
 Element.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; PCE:=A0 Path Computation Element; an entity (comp=
onent, application, or network node) that is capable of computing a network
 path or route based on a network graph and applying computational constrai=
nts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; Explicit path:=A0 Full explicit path from start t=
o destination; made of a list of
<u>strict hops</u> where a hop may be an abstract node such as an AS.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">=A0[MR] The explicit path could be seen as a=
 6TSCH track, composed by hard cells.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; [=85] it is assumed that the PCE has the required=
 information (usually including network topology and resource information)
 so as to perform the computation of a path for a TE LSP.=A0 Such informati=
on can be gathered by routing protocols or by some other means.=A0 The way =
in which the information is gathered is out of the scope of this document (=
i.e, RFC5440).
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">[Thomas] Is that not a bit
 limiting? This means that we need one protocol (PCEP) to send data from th=
e PCE to the motes, and another for stats and topological and requirement d=
ata to go from the motes to the PCE.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#000099">=A0[MR] Yes, it is. Like 15.4e TSCH that use=
s a schedule but it doesn=92t specify how to build and distribute
 it, PCEP does not define how to collect the required information (network =
topology, requirements) used for computing paths. But the motes can specify=
 the requirements of the requested path within the PCReq messages.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;=A0 Transport Protocol. PCEP operates over TCP usi=
ng a registered TCP port (4189). This allows the requirements of reliable
 messaging and flow control to be met without further protocol work. All PC=
EP messages MUST be sent using the registered TCP port for the source and d=
estination TCP port.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=A0<span style=3D"color:#006600">[Thomas] can PCEP run on =
something else than TCP? It looks like no. There is always the possibility
 for proposing a UDP version of PCEP, but it&#39;s unclear to me how much r=
ework is required.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR] According to the RFC5440, a PCEP session can be established ON=
LY=A0 over a=A0 TCP connection. In other words, first a TCP connection (3-w=
ay handshake) between the PCC and the PCE has to
 be established, and after a PCEP session can be started. About proposing a=
n UDP version of PCEP, it is something to be investigated.</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&gt;&gt; Once =
the PCC has selected a PCE, it sends a Path Computation Request to the PCE =
(PCReq message) that contains a variety of objects that
<br>
specify the set of constraints and attributes for the path to be computed.=
=A0 For example, &quot;Compute a TE LSP path with source IP address=3Dx.y.z=
.t,<br>
=A0destination IP address=3Dx&#39;.y&#39;.z&#39;.t&#39;, bandwidth=3DB Mbit=
/s, Setup/Holding priority=3DP, ...&quot;.=A0 Additionally, the PCC may des=
ire to specify the urgency<br>
=A0of such request by assigning a request priority.=A0 </span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600"><u></u>=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">[Thomas]If the =
PCE received a PCReq to go from A to B, is there a way for the PCE to conta=
ct all the motes along the multi-hop path between
 A and B and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#006600">install cells/l=
inks? it looks like the PCE is only used to calculate a multi-hop path on a=
n already existing topology.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR]I agree with you. PCEP can set up a multi-hop path on an alread=
y existing topology. There is correspondence 1-to-1 between PCReq and PCRep=
. Thus, it seems that PCE cannot contact the
 motes along the multi-hop path between A and B. BUT=85 PCEP include some R=
P in the messages (see below)</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;;color:#0070c0">=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;A Path Computation Reply(PCR=
ep) Message can contain either a set of computed paths if the request
 can be satisfied, or a negative reply if not.=A0 The negative reply may in=
dicate the reason why no path could be found.</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&gt;&gt;The RP (Request Parameters) object MUST be carried=
 within each PCReq and PCRep messages. The RP object is used to specify var=
ious characteristics of the path computation request.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0&gt=
;&gt; The END-POINTS object is used in a PCReq message to specify the sourc=
e IP address and the destination IP address of the path for which a path co=
mputation is requested. Note that the source and destination
 addresses specified in the END-POINTS object may correspond to the source =
and destination IP address of the TE LSP or to those of a path segment.<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0</s=
pan><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier N=
ew&quot;;color:#000099">[MR] Setting the END-POINT object, maybe it could b=
e possible to allocate cells/links for each path segment. This
 is something to be investigated.</span><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#0070c0">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0&gt=
;&gt;The BANDWIDTH object is used to specify the requested bandwidth for a =
TE LSP. The notion of bandwidth is similar to the one used for RSVP &gt;&gt=
;signaling in [RFC2205], [RFC3209], and [RFC3473].<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0&gt=
;&gt;The METRIC object is optional and can be used for several purposes. In=
 a PCReq message, a PCC MAY insert one or more METRIC objects:<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0o T=
o indicate the metric that MUST be optimized by the path computation algori=
thm (IGP metric, TE metric, hop counts).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Curren=
tly, three metrics are defined: the IGP cost, the TE metric (see [RFC3785])=
, and the number of hops traversed by a TE LSP.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0o T=
o indicate a bound on the path cost that MUST NOT be exceeded for the path =
to be considered as acceptable by the PCC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0<u>=
&gt;&gt;The path computation algorithmic aspects used by the PCE to optimiz=
e a path with respect to a specific metric are outside the scope of this &g=
t;&gt;document.</u><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">[MR] TASA could=
 be a possible algorithm for computing the path. It seems to
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;">fits well with the RFC5440 Specification.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099"><u></u>=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
TASA provides a method to the PCE for computing a network path, based on th=
e network graph and applying computational constraints
 (i.e., selecting duplex- and <br>
interference-free conflict links, according to local and global queue level=
).</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Each node in the TSCH TASA-based network could act as PCC (Path Computation=
 Client), requesting a path computation to be performed
 by the PCE. In detail, with the PCReq message,<br>
the PCC asks the PCE to compute a path toward it (thus, source IP address =
=3D PCC IP address, destination IP address =3D PCE destination address), ha=
ving a=A0 given bandwidth, equal to the number of packets it wants to trans=
mit (i.e., TASA local queue level, or=A0
 in other word, traffic load offered by the single node to the network).</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
After having collected all the PCReq messages from all the nodes in the net=
work, the PCE can build a schedule, setting one or
 more paths for each PCC.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Once, the schedule has been built according to TASA matching and coloring p=
rocedures, it is transmitted to each node in the network,
 using PCRep messages.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
Then, the 6TSCH 6TUS adaptation protocol can provide the functionality for =
delivering the traffic in the queues, according to
 the schedule built with TASA+PCEP. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:justify"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;">=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Some Open I=
SSUES:<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q1:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> How the PCE collect the information related to the
 network graph?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">R1:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> Note that this is out of the scope of both RCF5440
 and TASA. However, we may suppose that such information are provided by th=
e routing protocol, RPL, as suggested in RFC5440.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=93How=94 stil=
l has to be defined!</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;;color:#00b050">[Thomas] Agreed, that&#39;s a really important point.</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><=
u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q2:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> How the network is set up before implementing TASA+PCEP
 for building the schedule?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">R2:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"> TASA does not specify how the network is built. In
 fact, TASA runs over a network that has been already built, and that needs=
 a schedule in order
<br>
to allow traffic-flow exchanges (i.e., transmissions between each node and =
the PCE). Maybe, 6TUS could fill this gap and provide the functionality for=
 the 15.4e TSCH network formation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"IT" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#00b050">[Th=
omas] I believe the &quot;minimal&quot; use case identified in the charter =
covers this.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q3:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">Is there any need to change the PCReq and PCRep message=
s format, for allowing the integration of PCEP with TASA?<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#000099">=
[MR] there could be such need.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q4:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;">How the info in the PCRep messages can be used by 6TUS?<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"IT" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#00b050">[Th=
omas] The entity in the motes which received PCRep message simply send comm=
ands over the 6tus interface.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=A0</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Q5:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&qu=
ot;"> How would a TASA+PCEP solution work for P2P traffic? That is, data fl=
owing from a switch to a light without going through the
 DAGroot?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#=
000099">[MR]TASA supports multi-point-to-point traffic (from each mote in t=
he network to the DODAGroot). PCEP support P2P traffic. TASA+PCEP maybe cou=
ld support P2P traffic. This is something to
 be investigated.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br></div>

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