From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 14:26:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016CF3A68ED; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9B13A6AF1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LzB32T27LKqO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.131]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28D83A6931 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 893FC468AAE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 7A7C8468A85 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:23:17 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:16 -0700 Subject: [72attendees] Welcome to IETF 72! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1739411883==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1739411883== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080809080101040408030200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080809080101040408030200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Shuttle Service An IETF Bus Shuttle Service from the Citywest Hotel to downtown Dublin will be operated Monday through Thursday from 0900 - 2300 for attendees and their guests. More info: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf 2. Haven't paid yet? Early-Bird registration cutoff is Friday, 18 July at 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT). After that time the registration fee will be $785 USD. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/ 3. LAST CALL: Guinness Storehouse Social Tickets: <50 left! http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/social-1 4. More info: http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/ The New York Times has a recent article on 36 Hours in Dublin. http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/travel/22hours.html?em&ex=117747360 5. Keeping up with the IETF? Get your Daily Dose here: http://tools.ietf.org/dailydose/ Thanks Pasi Eronen! 6. Who's registered? Now sort by last name, organization, country https://www.ietf.org/registration/attendance.py --------------080809080101040408030200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Shuttle Service
An IETF Bus Shuttle Service from the Citywest Hotel to downtown Dublin will be operated Monday through Thursday from 0900 - 2300 for attendees and their guests.  More info:
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf

2.  Haven't paid yet?  Early-Bird registration cutoff is Friday, 18 July at 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT).  After that time the registration fee will be $785 USD.  http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/

3. LAST CALL: Guinness Storehouse Social Tickets: <50 left!  http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/social-1

4. More info: http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/

The New York Times has a recent article on 36 Hours in Dublin.
http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/travel/22hours.html?em&ex=117747360

5. Keeping up with the IETF?  Get your Daily Dose here:  http://tools.ietf.org/dailydose/  Thanks Pasi Eronen!

6. Who's registered?  Now sort by last name, organization, country
https://www.ietf.org/registration/attendance.py
 --------------080809080101040408030200-- --===============1739411883== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1739411883==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 14:26:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5569528C141; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35143A6A5F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.695 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.695 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MXwEbPTVg8fr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2E63A6AFD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12121567 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:47:22 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:47:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:39 -0700 Subject: [72attendees] New York Times : 36 hours in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Probably an order of magnitude more than I will have free, but... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 16:45:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD773A6913; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFD43A6913 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHtrKj987ZPV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.imagine.ie (relay.imagine.ie [87.232.1.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962193A67BD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.int.imagine.ie (mail2 [87.232.1.153]) by relay.imagine.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F574488; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:46:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.9] (dsl-102-234.cust.imagine.ie [87.232.102.234]) by mail2.int.imagine.ie (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6FNk33u001677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:46:04 +0100 Message-ID: <487D3702.7000102@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:47:14 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 28955227 - 8417bbd3a5b5 (trained as not-spam) X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 87.232.1.53 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Welcome to IETF 72! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Someone asked Ray about the LUAS - its a tram system that runs to about 4km from the hotel. Ok to use on the way into the city (get a cab to the Tallaght station), on the way out of town not quite so good - you can probably find a cab at the Square (a mall where the LUAS ends up in Tallaght) while the shopping centre is open, no idea if that'd work at night or early in the morning. From Tallaght to the City Centre on the LUAS is about 25-30 minutes. Remembering Prague, I wouldn't encourage laptop use around the Drimnagh stops, but otherwise riding the trams is fine. S. Ray Pelletier wrote: > 1. Shuttle Service > An IETF Bus Shuttle Service from the Citywest Hotel to downtown Dublin > will be operated Monday through Thursday from 0900 - 2300 for attendees > and their guests. More info: > http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf > > 2. Haven't paid yet? Early-Bird registration cutoff is Friday, 18 July > at 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT). After that time the registration fee will > be $785 USD. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/ > > 3. LAST CALL: Guinness Storehouse Social Tickets: <50 left! > http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/social-1 > > 4. More info: http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/ > > The New York Times has a recent article on 36 Hours in Dublin. > http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/travel/22hours.html?em&ex=117747360 > > 5. Keeping up with the IETF? Get your Daily Dose here: > http://tools.ietf.org/dailydose/ Thanks Pasi Eronen! > > 6. Who's registered? Now sort by last name, organization, country > https://www.ietf.org/registration/attendance.py > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 17:27:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0BE3A67D4; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F153A67D4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.848, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DTM5TbHFaLu8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp151.sat.emailsrvr.com (smtp151.sat.emailsrvr.com [66.216.121.151]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7BF3A6782 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7029E234074 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 2E5F922FF80 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:27:36 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0641486977==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0641486977== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040307080408000002080007" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040307080408000002080007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alcatel-Lucent has excellent information on its site for travel info: http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/travel An excerpt: Getting to Citywest Rental Cars Rental cars are available from the Dublin Airport. Ireland is a left-drive country, as the signs in the rental car will remind you. Although the venue is outside the city center, taxis are plentiful. If you do not plan on doing a lot of driving, and if you are not comfortable with driving on the left, and dealing with traffic circles, we recommend you take a taxi. If you wish to drive, directions from the airport to the hotel are available here . Taxi Taxis are available from both the airport for about 40 euro, and from the city center, about 25 euro. Public Transit (from City Center) The 69 Bus departs Aston Quay on a regular basis and depending on traffic will take less than an hour to reach the Citywest Hotel stop just outside the main gates. For a detailed timetable or details on any other bus route in dublin please visit http://www.dublinbus.ie/ . Getting around Dublin Dubin is Irelands captials and as such has many ways to get around: * The Luas (Meaning speed in Irish) is the tram system that operates around Dublin city and the surrounding area. * Dublin Bus is the bus system that operates in the city and surrounding area. It serves more areas that the luas so is worth a look if you need to get to a particular street in Dublin. * Taxis can be hired from almost anywhere in dublin by hailing them on the street or picking one up at a taxi rank. Alternatively you can call from anywhere in Dublin for a taxi to pick you up. * Eco Taxis can be used for free in the inner city and can be picked up on Grafton Street beside St Stephens Green. Electricity Ireland operates on European power: 220-240V/50Hz The power plugs are British Standard 1363. Information, and photos of the plugs can be found here . Cell Phones Ireland is a GSM-standard country with services operating in the 900 and 1800 bands. 3G services are in the 2100 band. Major carriers in Ireland are Meteor/Eircom, Vodafone and O2 . Eircom, the parent company of Meteor, is sponsoring our connectivity for this event. --------------040307080408000002080007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alcatel-Lucent has excellent information on its site for travel info:  http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/travel

An excerpt:

Getting to Citywest

Rental Cars

Rental cars are available from the Dublin Airport.  Ireland is a left-drive country, as the signs in the rental car will remind you.  Although the venue is outside the city center, taxis are plentiful.  If you do not plan on doing a lot of driving, and if you are not comfortable with driving on the left, and dealing with traffic circles, we recommend you take a taxi.

If you wish to drive, directions from the airport to the hotel are available here.

Taxi

Taxis are available from both the airport for about 40 euro, and from the city center, about 25 euro.

Public Transit (from City Center)

The 69 Bus departs Aston Quay on a regular basis and depending on traffic will take less than an hour to reach the Citywest Hotel stop just outside the main gates. For a detailed timetable or details on any other bus route in dublin please visit http://www.dublinbus.ie/ .

Getting around Dublin

Dubin is Irelands captials and as such has many ways to get around:

  • The Luas (Meaning speed in Irish) is the tram system that operates around Dublin city and the surrounding area.
  • Dublin Bus is the bus system that operates in the city and surrounding area. It serves more areas that the luas so is worth a look if you need to get to a particular street in Dublin.
  • Taxis can be hired from almost anywhere in dublin by hailing them on the street or picking one up at a taxi rank. Alternatively you can call from anywhere in Dublin for a taxi to pick you up.
  • Eco Taxis can be used for free in the inner city and can be picked up on Grafton Street beside St Stephens Green.
Electricity
Ireland operates on European power: 220-240V/50Hz

The power plugs are British Standard 1363.  Information, and photos of the plugs can be found here.

Cell Phones

Ireland is a GSM-standard country with services operating in the 900 and 1800 bands.  3G services are in the 2100 band. 
 
Major carriers in Ireland are Meteor/Eircom, Vodafone and O2.  Eircom, the parent company of Meteor, is sponsoring our connectivity for this event.


--------------040307080408000002080007-- --===============0641486977== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0641486977==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 02:11:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110CD3A6995; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA8A3A6850 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqIJzpbTs11B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190D63A67CC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m6G9C0jJ011063Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:12:00 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KJ33I-000Lg7-00; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:12:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:12:00 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Stephen Farrell Message-ID: <20080716091200.GC76206@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> <487D3702.7000102@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <487D3702.7000102@cs.tcd.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Welcome to IETF 72! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Stephen Farrell said: > Someone asked Ray about the LUAS - its a tram system that runs > to about 4km from the hotel. Ok to use on the way into the city > (get a cab to the Tallaght station), on the way out of town > not quite so good - you can probably find a cab at the Square > (a mall where the LUAS ends up in Tallaght) while the shopping > centre is open, no idea if that'd work at night or early in the > morning. There are also buses connecting the hotel to LUAS. The Dublin Bus 69 serves the Red Cow LUAS stop. The Dualway 311 serves the Tallaght LUAS stop. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 02:22:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8533A6995; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1AC3A6892 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcOYlBQ-CJIX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donbot.greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [217.91.35.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F8428C237 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (unknown [192.168.1.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by donbot.greenbytes.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5111C4C05A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:22:26 +0200 From: Julian Reschke Organization: greenbytes GmbH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ray Pelletier wrote: > ... > Taxi > > Taxis are available from both the airport for about 40 euro, and from > the city center, about 25 euro. > ... Ouch. It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. BR, Julian _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 03:53:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260853A6963; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6874D3A677E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.881 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulqYD8wl7HBi for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AD53A6915 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4-beta #31598) id <01MX82T031AO9D7TO9@mx.isti.cnr.it> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:52:28 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4-beta #31599) with ESMTPSA id <01MX82SXQZFC95OAT3@mx.isti.cnr.it> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:52:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:52:03 +0200 From: Shahin Alba To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <487DD2D3.2020409@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done Subject: [72attendees] Alternative hotel X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at the Citywest Hotel are staying. --Alba _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 04:20:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33893A6982; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FD93A6982 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.293 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdpXRuqmKYWC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.newbay.com (87-198-172-198.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.172.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC203A6980 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B45F1003F523; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:20:59 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at newbay.com Received: from mail.newbay.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.newbay.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1hUc+RJyHui; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:20:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from [192.168.3.107] (unknown [192.168.3.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200A91003F514; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:20:59 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <487DD9E8.4030103@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:22:16 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clive D.W. Feather" References: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> <487D3702.7000102@cs.tcd.ie> <20080716091200.GC76206@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080716091200.GC76206@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Welcome to IETF 72! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > Stephen Farrell said: >> Someone asked Ray about the LUAS - its a tram system that runs >> to about 4km from the hotel. Ok to use on the way into the city >> (get a cab to the Tallaght station), on the way out of town >> not quite so good - you can probably find a cab at the Square >> (a mall where the LUAS ends up in Tallaght) while the shopping >> centre is open, no idea if that'd work at night or early in the >> morning. > > There are also buses connecting the hotel to LUAS. > > The Dublin Bus 69 > > serves the Red Cow LUAS stop. Yep, though there might be a bit of waiting involved in what's basically a car park. > The Dualway 311 > > serves the Tallaght LUAS stop. Didn't know about them. Might be a good choice, since you'll have the option of a cab as well if the timing's not good. S. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 04:28:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E183A6A81; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118A3A6982 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.352 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.480, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aPvxCP9v90RN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imaps.tssg.org (tssg.wit.ie [193.1.185.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9B43A686C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DELLBCGDR3J (unknown [10.37.2.156]) by imaps.tssg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A483FAA8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:24:04 +0100 (IST) From: "Kevin Quinn" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <2399FB0539BC48668D8D943860BBAF46@DELLBCGDR3J> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <487DD2D3.2020409@isti.cnr.it> Thread-Index: AcjnMkC0fHssKhiqQlC7JI+UcM1NcQAA3mhA Subject: Re: [72attendees] Alternative hotels X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0023247376==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0023247376== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C8E73E.E187A150" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C8E73E.E187A150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some hotel opportunities which are within a 10 minute drive (depending = on traffic obviously) of City West =20 * Bewleys Hotel. All rooms are =E2=82=AC89 per night. http://www.bewleyshotels.com/newlandscross_hotel_dublin.asp=20 * IBIS hotel beside the Luas. Rooms seem to be <=E2=82=AC60 per = night http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/fichehotel/gb/ibi/0595/fiche_hotel.shtml=20 * Green Isle Hotel. Rooms c. =E2=82=AC85 per night http://www.greenislehotel.com/ =20 * Louis Fitzgerald Hotel. <=E2=82=AC80 per night http://www.louisfitzgeraldhotel.com/?gclid=3DCLvl__OCn5QCFRSA1QodV0KltQ=20 =20 Kevin =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Shahin Alba Sent: 16 July 2008 11:52 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Alternative hotel =20 Hello, =20 I'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at the=20 Citywest Hotel are staying. =20 =20 --Alba _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C8E73E.E187A150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some hotel opportunities which are within a 10 minute drive = (depending on traffic obviously) of City West

 

·         Bewleys Hotel.  All = rooms are =E2=82=AC89 per night.
http= ://www.bewleyshotels.com/newlandscross_hotel_dublin.asp

·         IBIS hotel beside the = Luas.  Rooms seem to be <=E2=82=AC60 per night
http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/fichehotel/gb/ibi/0595/fiche_hotel.s= html

·         Green Isle Hotel.  = Rooms c. =E2=82=AC85 per night
http://www.greenislehotel.com/  

·         Louis Fitzgerald = Hotel.  <=E2=82=AC80 per night
http://www.louisfitzgeraldhotel.com/?gclid=3DCLvl__OCn5QCFRSA1Qod= V0KltQ

 

Kevin

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Shahin Alba
Sent: 16 July 2008 11:52
To: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [72attendees] Alternative hotel

 

Hello,

 

I'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at = the

Citywest Hotel are staying.

 

 

--Alba

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I don't know if they still have available rooms. Name: Comfort Inn City West Address: Kingswood, Naas Road, Dublin, Ireland, D24 Phone: (353) 1 4619900 Fax: (353) 1 4619910 BR, Xavi On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Kevin Quinn wrote: > Some hotel opportunities which are within a 10 minute drive (depending o= n > traffic obviously) of City West > > > > =B7 Bewleys Hotel. All rooms are =8089 per night. > http://www.bewleyshotels.com/newlandscross_hotel_dublin.asp > > =B7 IBIS hotel beside the Luas. Rooms seem to be <=8060 per nig= ht > http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/fichehotel/gb/ibi/0595/fiche_hotel.shtml > > =B7 Green Isle Hotel. Rooms c. =8085 per night > http://www.greenislehotel.com/ > > =B7 Louis Fitzgerald Hotel. <=8080 per night > http://www.louisfitzgeraldhotel.com/?gclid=3DCLvl__OCn5QCFRSA1QodV0KltQ > > > > Kevin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Shahin Alba > Sent: 16 July 2008 11:52 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Alternative hotel > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at the > > Citywest Hotel are staying. > > > > > > --Alba > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > --=20 Xavier Mil=E0 ------=_Part_10143_32464955.1216209640217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Dear All,

another Hotel very close to the meeting.<= br>I don't know if they still have available rooms.

Name: &= nbsp; Comfort Inn City West
Address:      =   Kingswood, Naas Road, Dublin, Ireland, D24
Phone:  (353) 1 4619900
Fax:    (353) 1 4619910
<= br>BR,
Xavi

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:= 24 PM, Kevin Quinn <kquinn@tssg.org> wrote:

S= ome hotel opportunities which are within a 10 minute drive (depending on traffic obviously) of City West

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=B7=     &nb= sp;    Bewleys Hotel.  All rooms are =8089 per night.
http://www.bewleyshotels.com/newlandscross_hotel_dublin.asp<= /a>

=B7=     &nb= sp;    IBIS hotel beside the Luas.  Rooms seem to be <=8060 per night
http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/fichehotel/gb/ibi/0= 595/fiche_hotel.shtml

=B7=     &nb= sp;    Green Isle Hotel.  Rooms c. =8085 per night
http://www.gre= enislehotel.com/  

=B7=     &nb= sp;    Louis Fitzgerald Hotel.  <=8080 per night
http://www.louisfitzgeraldhotel.com/?gclid=3DCLv= l__OCn5QCFRSA1QodV0KltQ

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K= evin

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&= nbsp;

H= ello,

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I= 'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at the

C= itywest Hotel are staying.

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Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:48:43 +0100 Message-ID: <487DFBF0.8050706@web.de> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:47:28 +0100 From: Andrius User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060503050500030806050107" X-Scan-Signature: 3a52acfef82226733a8c10238b676d85 Subject: [72attendees] Public bus No. 69 schedule to City West Hotel and stop place in City Center X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060503050500030806050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, please find public bus No 69 schedule to City West Hotel http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?placeName=City%20West%20Business%20Park&SelectedRoute=69 The fare should be about €2. Tickets can be paid to driver, coins only acceptable. 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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:50:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1216216245.7269.13.camel@ki> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Alternative hotel X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Stephen Farrell p=ED=B9e v St 16. 07. 2008 v 14:30 +0100: > = > Ond=F8ej Sur=FD wrote: > > Shahin Alba p=ED=B9e v St 16. 07. 2008 v 12:52 +0200: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm wondering where people that don't find available rooms at the = > >> Citywest Hotel are staying. > > = > > I found Lucan Spa Hotel... room for 64EUR. Should be at walking dista= nce. > = > Maybe if you've *very* long legs - its a few miles at least, I do, but you're right it far away. It's strange, I am sure that Google Maps showed me location of this hotel within 15 minutes of walk. Time to rebook my hotel. Thanks, -- = Ond=F8ej Sur=FD technick=FD =F8editel/Chief Technical Officer ----------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry Americk=E1 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 06:53:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342A43A68FD; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:53:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5623A69E0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:06:35 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <478A8436-9845-4003-92B0-49242C23598E@muada.com> References: <487DD2D3.2020409@isti.cnr.it> <1216214649.7269.8.camel@ki> <487DF7EC.6000902@cs.tcd.ie> <1216216245.7269.13.camel@ki> <478A8436-9845-4003-92B0-49242C23598E@muada.com> Organization: CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:06:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1216217195.7269.20.camel@ki> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Alternative hotel X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Iljitsch van Beijnum p=ED=B9e v St 16. 07. 2008 v 15:53 +0200: > On 16 jul 2008, at 15:50, Ond=F8ej Sur=FD wrote: > = > >>> I found Lucan Spa Hotel... room for 64EUR. Should be at walking = > >>> distance. > = > >> Maybe if you've *very* long legs - its a few miles at least, > = > > I do, but you're right it far away. It's strange, I am sure that = > > Google > > Maps showed me location of this hotel within 15 minutes of walk. Time > > to rebook my hotel. > = > Does Google Maps do walking times now? What it gives me are obviously = > driving times. Nope it doesn't, but it does show a distance. And my normal walking speed is around 5-6km/h, so it's not that hard to calculate walking time, isn't it? :) O. -- = Ond=F8ej Sur=FD technick=FD =F8editel/Chief Technical Officer ----------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry Americk=E1 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 07:06:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4743E3A6BBE; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:06:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CDC3A68FD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:19:40 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <009101c8e74d$2b526fa0$81f74ee0$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> References: <487DD2D3.2020409@isti.cnr.it> <1216214649.7269.8.camel@ki> <487DF7EC.6000902@cs.tcd.ie> <1216216245.7269.13.camel@ki> <478A8436-9845-4003-92B0-49242C23598E@muada.com> <009101c8e74d$2b526fa0$81f74ee0$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> Organization: CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:19:39 +0200 Message-Id: <1216217979.7269.23.camel@ki> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Alternative hotel X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Arnoud van Wijk p=ED=B9e v St 16. 07. 2008 v 16:06 +0200: > I advise you to learn the song "singing in the rain". :-) > Because last year the summer was wet and rainy in Ireland. > Why do you else think they have such lovely green hills? :-) It doesn't look that bad: http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-15day.asp?partner=3Daccuweather&t= raveler=3D0&locCode=3DEUR|IE|EI006|DUBLIN&metric=3D1 (and I know that crystal ball is more accurate than weather forecast, but leave me in that delusion - I am going to spend my vacations in Ireland week before IETF) Ondrej. -- = Ond=F8ej Sur=FD technick=FD =F8editel/Chief Technical Officer ----------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry Americk=E1 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 09:36:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D04828C15A; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C9628C15A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LbeopHkNs74t for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC21E28C150 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,374,1212364800"; d="scan'208";a="37339588" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 16:36:48 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GGamFo022320; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:48 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GGamGb008215; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:36:48 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:48 -0700 Received: from dhcp-171-70-228-104.cisco.com ([171.70.228.104]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:36:48 -0700 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> In-Reply-To: <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 16:36:48.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[2454AF00:01C8E762] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/16/08 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke allegedly wrote: > It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. Here's a start: I will be looking for a cab from either the airport or the city center on Sunday evening, around 6pm. I don't know the time exactly yet because I'll be taking a bus to Dublin from western Ireland, but if you are arriving somewhere near that time please be in touch. Thanks ... Scott _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 09:48:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5023A6980; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACC43A6980 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QsDOKM7dLkVC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donbot.greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [217.91.35.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E7E3A680C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (unknown [80.143.206.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by donbot.greenbytes.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A675AC4C05A; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:49:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:48:18 +0200 From: Julian Reschke Organization: greenbytes GmbH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Brim References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> In-Reply-To: <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Scott Brim wrote: > On 7/16/08 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke allegedly wrote: >> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. > > Here's a start: I will be looking for a cab from either the airport or > the city center on Sunday evening, around 6pm. I don't know the time > exactly yet because I'll be taking a bus to Dublin from western Ireland, > but if you are arriving somewhere near that time please be in touch. It seems we need a Wiki (Henrik?). BR, Julian (arriving Sunday 11.30) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 10:20:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6533A6A51; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F093A6A4A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.263 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oTvG1i2cggbL for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.newbay.com (87-198-172-198.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.172.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1C3A6A4B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333C61003F514; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:20:30 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at newbay.com Received: from mail.newbay.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.newbay.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NB9KKLR6CkbN; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:20:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from [192.168.3.107] (unknown [192.168.3.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D6D1003F50F; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:20:29 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:21:47 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> In-Reply-To: <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There's also a coach [1] from the airport to Tallaght. Doesn't seem to go to the door of Citywest, but will get you close (2km). You could probably get a cab from Bewley's hotel (closest point) or The Square in Tallaght (4km but easier to get a cab I'd guess). I called the airport and they said a good place to meet is between the information desk and the vodafone shop as you exit the baggage claim area. [2] (They used to have a way to put up a scrolling message, but got rid of it due to the frequent use of obscenities:-) So if you saw a few people wearing IETF garb hanging about there you'd have a good chance of a taxi-share I guess. S. [1] http://www.flybus.ie/ [2] http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 10:35:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E613B3A68A1; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC893A688B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.525 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBWTkEDTY1Rz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830193A68A1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb] ([IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6GHZPIj071663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:35:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <206CF99F-33BB-4CE3-B321-D1A81520C6D6@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Stephen Farrell In-Reply-To: <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:35:32 +0200 References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 16 jul 2008, at 19:21, Stephen Farrell wrote: > There's also a coach [1] from the airport to Tallaght. You do NOT want to take a bus from the airport into the city and then another one to the Citywest hotel: Dublin has narrow streets and busy traffic, this is going to take forever (could be two hours). (Unless you want to stop in the city and hang out, of course.) If you take a taxi you can avoid the city and make the 30 km journey in a reasonable amount of time: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6500239101261071395,53.283407,-6.441507&saddr=Dublin+Airport,+Ireland&daddr=Mill+Road,+Saggart,+South+Dublin,+24,+Ireland+(Citywest+Hotel)&mra=pe&mrcr=0&doflg=ptk&sll=53.374727,-6.319374&sspn=0.617731,0.543823&ie=UTF8&z=11 No idea what that would cost, though. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 10:48:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889C128C12B; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B2828C166 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPwYLkBGHfyC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ladle.sendmail.com (ladle.sendmail.com [209.246.26.53]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAED28C119 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fife.sendmail.com (fife.sendmail.com [209.246.26.50]) by ladle.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Sentrion-3.0.0) with ESMTP id m6GHs5Jb032018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:54:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=ladle.dkim; t=1216230845; bh=D6dGArXY0n4mDAjWZZ+16QBq24hN23m6ZwTJ McLSUuE=; h=Received:X-DKIM:DKIM-Signature:Received:Received:Date: From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=o06KN6vMrBAE7ZQyLCjeYTuBiauDpjtaz/Bh oxNCE/6RSI810hd1xy7RR6+/Odr3NON/yl+jqYztLY+JI1NoBD6pGrX6d/JlbN6fYTK vxBTZiDcixy7M5ovMcgGPHrWeV2PCPtqub6c9ovVGDfFtb54p6XrNiNJf4+dYCRKL49 Y= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.202.26]) by fife.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.2mp) with ESMTP id m6GHnH3t007434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:18 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.2.3 fife.sendmail.com m6GHnH3t007434 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=fife.dkim; t=1216230559; bh=D6dGArXY0n4mDAjWZZ+16QBq24hN23m6ZwTJM cLSUuE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=vUyg+7f+rjQuSv0S8gsF01W MVny4FWK07Cg+vTKuGfNZuf83XgK1JMdn/Q7h+Rj3yeWNFGvW4kS/VSMrPKVE2cRKqT zIFtbRjac5KcaMJdhiMtJNqRZV91QjAqSGLUhHALff3tQyXzISBFml6kbnjYpGvkhWr OQFH+YVN7F4ffI= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6GHnHBV049851 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com) Received: (from msk@localhost) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m6GHnHTx049850; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> Message-ID: <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MM-Ex-RefId: 149371::080716104919-21289B90-7AF7A3DE/0-0/0-1 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: > It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 10:49:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAE828C19A; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BD928C119 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LOqddydCJgs for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp221.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp221.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850C28C19A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D8D322B0590 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: dvorshak-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id C16A12B058B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Drew Dvorshak" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <014a01c8e76c$6d116580$e101a8c0@ISOC.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjnbGyhfz8bewtJSLijn1lNoWrgpw== Subject: [72attendees] unsubscribe X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2080734964==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2080734964== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014B_01C8E74A.E5FFC580" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014B_01C8E74A.E5FFC580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Dvorshak Sr. Mgr., Organizational Membership 1775 Wiehle Ave., Ste. 102 Reston, VA 20910-5108 USA dvorshak@isoc.org Office: +1 703 439 2129 Fax: +1 703 326 9881 ------=_NextPart_000_014B_01C8E74A.E5FFC580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 11:02:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96C028C1CD; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DFE3A67B5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.268 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.268 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7bA6xGLMSwa for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.newbay.com (87-198-172-198.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.172.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB5128C1E9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266751003F514; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:02:19 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at newbay.com Received: from mail.newbay.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.newbay.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLBqdo63XlWM; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:02:18 +0100 (IST) Received: from [192.168.3.107] (unknown [192.168.3.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.newbay.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0C01003F50F; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:02:16 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <487E37F7.6010003@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:03:35 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iljitsch van Beijnum References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> <206CF99F-33BB-4CE3-B321-D1A81520C6D6@muada.com> In-Reply-To: <206CF99F-33BB-4CE3-B321-D1A81520C6D6@muada.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 16 jul 2008, at 19:21, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> There's also a coach [1] from the airport to Tallaght. > > You do NOT want to take a bus from the airport into the city and then Correct. Those guys go around the M50 orbital motorway though same as a cab would. 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Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEDA3A6953 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bSOldQtckRS for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E893A6891 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KJDYa-0008zu-53; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:25:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:24:59 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the >> travel days. > > I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at > 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 13:57:51 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3C83A6838; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6E23A690B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6G5UWnwu1UW0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6603A6838 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.195] (static-167-138-7-89.ipcom.comunitel.net [89.7.138.167] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6GKw2r5074663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:58:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> Message-Id: <35BFFBAC-0183-46FD-A099-50C029CF8B62@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: John C Klensin In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A347) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A347) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:58:04 +0200 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. >> > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. Maybe someone can set up a wiki for this kind of stuff? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:01:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFCB3A6838; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6763A6950 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pvGusKzbVz8Q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2CE3A6938 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3274689 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:05:17 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([72.254.100.244]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:12:07 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: <487E0E2B.7020807@pgp.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:05:15 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> In-Reply-To: <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:01:26 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Julian Reschke wrote: > Ray Pelletier wrote: >> ... >> Taxi >> >> Taxis are available from both the airport for about 40 euro, and from >> the city center, about 25 euro. >> ... > > Ouch. > > It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. My flight is scheduled to arrive into DUB at 1945 Saturday, July 26. I'll gladly ride-share with anyone who's around at that time. > BR, Julian -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. 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Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> Message-ID: <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MM-Ex-RefId: 149371::080716104644-2128FB90-30CC3134/0-0/0-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:01:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: > It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel days. I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:20:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF233A69B5; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1338E3A69B5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.419 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.180, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7fR5i0+lQNFe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163B83A68AD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,199,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="53954493" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:09:11 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GL9BAF028066 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:09:11 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GL9Bdh016918 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:09:11 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:09:10 -0700 Received: from [42.165.227.58] ([10.21.73.11]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:09:10 -0700 Message-Id: <38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:09:09 -0700 References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:09:10.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[31258490:01C8E788] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=395; t=1216242551; x=1217106551; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3B=20Elecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20; bh=WulQIDAuwxuDKNMfEW42f2ftosG6u0efg89zb9GRGKU=; b=oC8krjqErA744W6OUKXGO9H3XONUS/5wxAIR2vxXLG9gBZrd3Fg8JXhhEL noCYBIOELA1Br7yqhEpouEhgUZ/pGYq9zmR2OnDdhgALlK8zWvfwFY1DF3Jw RTzzLx41uU; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > if you saw a few people wearing IETF garb hanging about there From the Tao of the IETF: > 4.4. Dress Code > > Since attendees must wear their name tags, they must also wear > shirts > or blouses. Pants or skirts are also highly recommended. I'm having visions of the airport discovery protocol in operation... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:24:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA0B3A6984; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EFE3A6984 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N9LmPzLKrGXT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.245.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE19C3A68AD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1216243508!2002302!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 9682 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 21:25:09 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-14.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:25:09 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6GLP8fR024540 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:25:08 -0700 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6GLP5ML024495 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:25:06 -0700 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6GLP5hK001595 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:25:05 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6GLP1W7001474 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:25:01 -0500 Received: from [135.91.110.231] (ds135-91-110-231.dhcps.ugn.att.com[135.91.110.231](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20080716212500gw100l7oite> (Authid: tony); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:25:00 +0000 Message-ID: <487E672C.3040500@att.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:25:00 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to meet for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the IETF will show up to share with. Tony Hansen tony@att.com PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" > wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the >>> travel days. >> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at >> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. > > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:44:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68423A69BE; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9867C3A690E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GurjpTXifVg0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964D03A67AB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw751.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.51]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6GLjBEW003958 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:45:11 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.21]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:45:11 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:45:09 -0500 Message-ID: <941D5DCD8C42014FAF70FB7424686DCF036C7792@eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones Thread-Index: AcjnieGqhD83JADMRWCiClIxO0x5BQAAlmEQ References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org><487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> <38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> From: "Eric Gray" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:45:11.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[392B1970:01C8E78D] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There's an amusing parallel between people who celebrate the lack of uniformity in the IETF and the "non-conformists" of the late 60s. Unsurprisingly, there is a non-zero overlap in the two groups as well. The parallel is that the "non-conformists" of the late 60s were as easy to recognize as any one wearing a uniform might have been... -- E > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:09 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & > Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > if you saw a few people wearing IETF garb hanging about there > > From the Tao of the IETF: > > > 4.4. Dress Code > > > > Since attendees must wear their name tags, they must also wear > > shirts > > or blouses. Pants or skirts are also highly recommended. > > I'm having visions of the airport discovery protocol in operation... > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:49:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6E23A696F; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E413A696F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id olD-Y7xmV9E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5643A68F0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,199,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="87770260" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:50:08 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GLo8b5007623; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:50:08 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GLo8T2002492; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:50:08 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.38]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:50:01 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <487E672C.3040500@att.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones thread-index: AcjnjGyAsRTWPyUYSkuFXfHPkUwj7QAAQU1Q References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> <487E672C.3040500@att.com> From: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" To: "Tony Hansen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:50:01.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[E60A5160:01C8E78D] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1548; t=1216245008; x=1217109008; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=kehong@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Kenny=20Hong=20(kehong)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3B=20Elecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20; bh=dokHtIPRGLo5PP3wpgY4q688mDHaR2wjfGf+t0WbbbE=; b=OcWyIUtyZZbKhYsjfEHJDZg7/1GfXOOk8D6aBkUsAlucrBwUZUuP9DvXS5 tHzi3Yb9aZlBH1trmmdu/KInHOCkuPxXS50YDNFx8GI9OZSJ+bYUNHDi/o4c 3DfBfTT5rf; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=kehong@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival level map, and will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Hansen Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to meet for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the IETF will show up to share with. Tony Hansen tony@att.com PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" > wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel >>> days. >> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at >> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. > > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:55:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3053A699C; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFAD3A699C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:55:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hl5ZaPLJx+nX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0833A68F0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:54:52 PDT Received: from p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.46]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:54:16 -0700 Received: from emailwf1.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.33]) by p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:54:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C044A5336@emailwf1.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones Thread-Index: AcjnjGyAsRTWPyUYSkuFXfHPkUwj7QAAQU1QAAAuzyA= References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com><487E672C.3040500@att.com> <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> From: "Ross Callon" To: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" , "Tony Hansen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:54:16.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DCF5090:01C8E78E] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think that this is an excellent idea. Another option for folks who want to share a cab is to wear an IETF tee-shirt on arrival. There are enough of us that as long as we are identifiable there is a pretty good chance (at least for those arriving Sunday) of randomly bumping into someone. Ross -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kenny Hong (kehong) Sent: 16 July 2008 17:51 To: Tony Hansen Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival level map, and will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Hansen Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to meet for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the IETF will show up to share with. Tony Hansen tony@att.com PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" > wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel >>> days. >> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at >> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. > > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:56:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B38B3A68F0; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E73F3A68F0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.164, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mWdXViywakqN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F3B3A68AB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,199,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="127644846" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:56:02 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GLu13o016279; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:01 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GLu2J3007418; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:56:02 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:01 -0700 Received: from [42.165.227.58] ([10.21.73.11]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:01 -0700 Message-Id: <2E3276AC-6F32-432C-BB09-0C4B39396F17@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: Tony Hansen In-Reply-To: <487E672C.3040500@att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:56:01 -0700 References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> <487E672C.3040500@att.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:56:01.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC98EC50:01C8E78E] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=805; t=1216245362; x=1217109362; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3B=20Elecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20; bh=Ot19/aXrIh6hqNyXx9qmk7nzvIWGFDzXOozzgQokHHc=; b=B/Yy6HJrGlXT47lUSg7yyxDEU2UBl8Ozf2aWIWO7FP6Zpsgi/nxMUfNN9I 01uOKJk8o0BSDYqXSlM3oQBycy0KS26zBz3Z6RSLTSyY+LGLeZIjruYUMQvx jRNvizWOOe; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to > meet for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can > hook up with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If > no one else is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone > else from the IETF will show up to share with. It's not a big place. http://www.dublinairport.com/images/parking-airport-map.gif You will walk off the plane, through customs, through the baggage domain, and suddenly see sunlight. I would suggest that at that point you look around you for people wearing shirts. BTW, you will find the Irish friendly, and they all speak English (surprise!). If you have questions, ask someone standing nearby. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 14:58:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD073A68B4; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FFB3A68B4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kEOFvOxaO-LR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24353A6890 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:58:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,199,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="14529642" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 21:59:21 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GLxLgP001795; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:59:21 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GLxLJd008059; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:59:21 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.118]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:59:20 -0400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C044A5336@emailwf1.jnpr.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones Thread-Index: AcjnjGyAsRTWPyUYSkuFXfHPkUwj7QAAQU1QAAAuzyAAACvEsA== From: "Luyuan Fang (lufang)" To: "Ross Callon" , "Kenny Hong (kehong)" , "Tony Hansen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 21:59:20.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[335CF9D0:01C8E78F] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2827; t=1216245561; x=1217109561; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lufang@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Luyuan=20Fang=20(lufang)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3BElecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Ross=20Callon=22=20,=0A=20=2 0=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Kenny=20Hong=20(kehong)=22=20,=20=22Tony=20Hansen=22=20; bh=/CXyCkbnHRgKNy2rFLp2g+mTWG86KsRdLJf8j6l+w2o=; b=VG6nOvA1xPVPcf27SRdZSL+4TMssEHC3QeWhr1MtiVRYWNOuQveJlXNSTB wVH6GkOk/qGeSJv6o7064tLbaXqV6JBZIwiJUgWrIsIEq4CZhHb0a23t2wnT bhF4YBEXA6; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=lufang@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Or put a tag with "IETF" on any shirts to identify ourselves. :-) Luyuan -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: 16 July 2008 17:54 To: Kenny Hong (kehong); Tony Hansen Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones I think that this is an excellent idea. Another option for folks who want to share a cab is to wear an IETF tee-shirt on arrival. There are enough of us that as long as we are identifiable there is a pretty good chance (at least for those arriving Sunday) of randomly bumping into someone. Ross -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kenny Hong (kehong) Sent: 16 July 2008 17:51 To: Tony Hansen Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival level map, and will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Hansen Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to meet for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the IETF will show up to share with. Tony Hansen tony@att.com PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" > wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel >>> days. >> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at >> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. > > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 15:03:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B93A6A15; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853DD3A692D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xqb2ewQmbzdd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2423A67AB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:03:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,199,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="87775030" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2008 22:02:49 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6GM2n71000831; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:02:49 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GM2h8s005725; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:02:49 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:02:49 -0700 Received: from [42.165.227.58] ([10.21.73.11]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:02:48 -0700 Message-Id: <63072EC6-9285-4F79-A76D-2F7536418AC2@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" In-Reply-To: <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:02:48 -0700 References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> <487E672C.3040500@att.com> <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2008 22:02:48.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6BB430:01C8E78F] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=305; t=1216245769; x=1217109769; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3B=20Elecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20; bh=QcWsHN3fr0a3oow/hZ6luXf8FcNHNA26u9on+UVwyVc=; b=dvWLtORlXxncnMaWkDQHMmdBkfzTLsr7Xq20ahEkTKT9vj/4CnvQH3/qOL iCPYizFGkFykFwAVRdmHdXkkqnyyS0JhqZOAIIo1a4jcDBXAdIiNaR08QDEc z6HJZL0KQAJuzh+VQ3ft/50IgcTyDHFRi+vGaZMm111H/6Tmca35M=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: > Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival level map, > and > will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" > > http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html Almost the same place :-) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 15:07:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8637C3A68B3; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB213A68B3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YWhvLwTuACVY for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.121]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F303A6890 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 57F9A44C14B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 4979D44C092 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <487E7137.8040501@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:07:51 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] IAOC & IAD Office Hours X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1782069077==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1782069077== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203000703090507030909" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020203000703090507030909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IAOC and IAD will hold Office Hours in Dublin on Wednesday and Thursday from 1610 - 1700 in the Vanessa suite on floor 2. This is an opportunity to ask questions about or offer suggestions regarding the administrative support of the IETF and the Meetings; and make inquiries about Hosting a meeting. RFC Authors prior to 2026 interested in executing a license to the IETF Trust can do so at this time. For more information see: http://trustee.ietf.org/authorlic.html In addition the IAD will have a table near the IETF registration area throughout the week. Please stop by and say hello. Ray Pelletier IAD --------------020203000703090507030909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IAOC and IAD will hold Office Hours in Dublin on Wednesday and Thursday from 1610 - 1700 in the Vanessa suite on floor 2. 

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 --------------020203000703090507030909-- --===============1782069077== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1782069077==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 18:51:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0143A69CA; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854063A69CA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.876 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.876 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.723, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jdfjvRBivEnl for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760D73A69B5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,200,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="54042848" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2008 01:52:26 +0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6H1qQLW023261; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:52:26 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6H1qP7w023166; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:52:26 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:52:26 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <941D5DCD8C42014FAF70FB7424686DCF036C7792@eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones Thread-Index: AcjnieGqhD83JADMRWCiClIxO0x5BQAAlmEQAAiwCcA= References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org><487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de><487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie><38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> <941D5DCD8C42014FAF70FB7424686DCF036C7792@eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Eric Gray" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2008 01:52:26.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[C37E5A70:01C8E7AF] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2025; t=1216259546; x=1217123546; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3BElecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20; bh=KWfalbDeghhRqwwgsM61URasobOCc6WQy1i30LdkZqM=; b=re/xYiASwhlo0uEYsE8yP8i7HxqDkYq4E598nNqPSig+lmtl1G+hWNsUPo 0H2I8+XAM22ymJNcWlgXjh1B3TJBaxtUboik0O13YLz/zfQeGsjBgsjOskcJ wsLxZtOFD+; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org :-). How about if folks have saved their previous IETF name tag, then please put in on your garb after you have completed immigration and baggage collection at the airport. Then others around you who are for IETF will know you. If you didn't save your tag, then wear a Jerry Garcia tie dye shirt, and we'll know who you are. Hemant -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Gray Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:45 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones There's an amusing parallel between people who celebrate the lack of uniformity in the IETF and the "non-conformists" of the late 60s. Unsurprisingly, there is a non-zero overlap in the two groups as well. The parallel is that the "non-conformists" of the late 60s were as easy to recognize as any one wearing a uniform might have been... -- E > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:09 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & > Cell Phones > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > if you saw a few people wearing IETF garb hanging about there > > From the Tao of the IETF: > > > 4.4. Dress Code > > > > Since attendees must wear their name tags, they must also wear > > shirts > > or blouses. Pants or skirts are also highly recommended. > > I'm having visions of the airport discovery protocol in operation... > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 06:13:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC913A68A8; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:13:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E82A3A68A8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:13:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RsaA4yx3ICir for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83C93A681E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,203,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="14563226" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2008 13:14:14 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6HDEEMs016029; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:14:14 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6HDED69013241; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:14:13 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.53]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:14:13 -0400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <15B86BC7352F864BB53A47B540C089B605D50FFB@xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C044A5336@emailwf1.jnpr.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones Thread-Index: AcjnjGyAsRTWPyUYSkuFXfHPkUwj7QAAQU1QAAAuzyAAHa4O0A== References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com><487E672C.3040500@att.com><0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C044A5336@emailwf1.jnpr.net> From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" To: "Ross Callon" , "Kenny Hong (kehong)" , "Tony Hansen" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2008 13:14:13.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[023E2600:01C8E80F] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3023; t=1216300454; x=1217164454; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rajiva@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Rajiv=20Asati=20(rajiva)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Travel=20to=20Dublin=20 &=20Citywest=3BElecrticity=20&=20Cell=20Phones |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Ross=20Callon=22=20,=0A=20=2 0=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Kenny=20Hong=20(kehong)=22=20,=20=22Tony=20Hansen=22=20; bh=QWhOTF2RcgR9P2Xm4DTyOIv7dr9dCCQtDYBt8BHG+hc=; b=M+IHEQo18U/GMZDImx/tB6nNgKqbmCL/uK9fjSv5kvxDr42QUuxQvIN91F p4UGjWfeIZZA5/S2g9HNemh+IlhRjt8GmOHmIN/CZCMRFjrjIN+iljdgf12K f50z3DLsMt; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=rajiva@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ditto. Landing ~ 8am on Sunday. > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:54 PM > To: Kenny Hong (kehong); Tony Hansen > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & > Citywest;Elecrticity & Cell Phones > > I think that this is an excellent idea. > > Another option for folks who want to share a cab is to wear an IETF > tee-shirt on arrival. There are enough of us that as long as we are > identifiable there is a pretty good chance (at least for > those arriving > Sunday) of randomly bumping into someone. > > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Kenny Hong (kehong) > Sent: 16 July 2008 17:51 > To: Tony Hansen > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest;Elecrticity & > Cell Phones > > Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival > level map, and > will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" > > http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Tony Hansen > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & > Cell Phones > > How about someone familiar with the airport designating a > place to meet > for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up > with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else > is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the > IETF will show up to share with. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. > > John C Klensin wrote: > > > > --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" > > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: > >>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel > >>> days. > >> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at > >> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. > > > > I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. > > If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 09:40:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4DA3A6AF2; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF63A68BD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chdooRYzguGz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0753A67B3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12136193; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:57:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4D0AC758-09FC-4A8A-9D02-61EC7F07B547@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" In-Reply-To: <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:57:49 -0400 References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org><487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <20080716102811.Y49746@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> <487E672C.3040500@att.com> <0079EA505DB7BF48BE3D565D16ED55F806E1E59A@xmb-sjc-225.amer.cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:40:34 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I wonder if Dopplr could be set up for this "flash mob" sort of organizing. I wouldn't mind sharing my flight information _for this meeting_ _with IETF attendees_. Marshall On Jul 16, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: > Excellent idea. Below site shows Dublin airport arrival level map, > and > will show location to meet if you click on "meeting point" > > http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > ] > On Behalf Of Tony Hansen > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & > Cell Phones > > How about someone familiar with the airport designating a place to > meet > for people looking to carpool taxis together? Then people can hook up > with whomever else shows up at the designated location. If no one else > is there, wait for 15-30 minutes and certainly someone else from the > IETF will show up to share with. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > PS. ~9:30 AM on the 27th for me. > > John C Klensin wrote: >> >> --On Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:49 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy" >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> It seems it would be cool to organize cab sharing on the travel >>>> days. >>> I'm arriving on Aer Lingus from Heathrow, scheduled to land at >>> 11:10am on the 27th. I'm open to cab sharing. >> >> I'm scheduled to arrive from Frankfurt at 11:15AM on the 27th. >> If we can find each other, sharing a cab would be great. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 09:40:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DAC3A6B08; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9882F3A6A9E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:01:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ul4o2kzWjUhy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ladle.sendmail.com (ladle.sendmail.com [209.246.26.53]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29DE3A6A95 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fife.sendmail.com (fife.sendmail.com [209.246.26.50]) by ladle.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Sentrion-3.0.0) with ESMTP id m6H776gg028484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:07:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=ladle.dkim; t=1216278426; bh=TjxLE4xnQDFtX+9uI4eg/ENA39LgoMzlzyQ2 cSoZoTo=; h=Received:X-DKIM:DKIM-Signature:Received:Received: X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:Subject: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=ogBtwbAK90vC HzOTECtQQtbhGb7ZNoX3b+J2eNIdRzit3/tJODYICCND/bC8oV1VX7JiTbjqduP5mH0 0LdxSyvgrqte91qrqrFCUiTFZ0HoWK2ESIIr2nROHVs3cl7Q0N+4G+tR+NKGi2x0KqU 8RU4pWGHuLT/ZJh3VbmJlZ5ME= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.202.26]) by fife.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.2mp) with ESMTP id m6H72FQB013591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:02:18 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.2.3 fife.sendmail.com m6H72FQB013591 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=fife.dkim; t=1216278139; bh=TjxLE4xnQDFtX+9uI4eg/ENA39LgoMzlzyQ2c SoZoTo=; h=X-Authentication-Warning:Date:From:X-X-Sender:To:Subject: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=yBJZbvl5scix J9miyx+gq+rfG7x4UYAQulnH5aweCWDvyLQaGPpL93KMXxSuh/QityUmFAijj9SgqQX tHGjyKqBTmMOi9RY7Qd1wgikl43OQEjlohfRwM9LXM/bAT4ezOTwIj7w+DsRKHn4rM4 re5TQTaeLpp9jets0UMZzVmTs= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6H72Ffd057673 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) Received: from localhost (msk@localhost) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m6H728Wj057670 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@sendmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: protagonist.smi.sendmail.com: msk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-X-Sender: msk@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080716235934.B57657@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MM-Ex-RefId: 149371::080717000218-21285B90-2DEB7A6F/0-0/0-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:40:34 -0700 Subject: [72attendees] Extra social tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Might be too early to ask, but I just found out that I need one more social ticket. The web site now shows it has already sold out. If there's a waiting list, please let me know how to get on it. If anyone finds he/she can't use his/her ticket, please let me know. I'll even pay a little extra for it if I must. -MSK _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 11:24:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B383A6B05; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F9E3A6B05 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id py-xjU0q+fKE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289D63A68C8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so38688wra.17 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Q8MjKhn05oAk4qO7/R5cYoRLKenQ3/aFMx6wd5IWgwg=; b=H9wbK3ibqUxjtFusKw3mP2RYnI76je7LCgHcRLaTx2tqNJT2EVrk3yKp3oas0LOd1n gydzy/eHF1yth8F6wg90N0NWuh1QtXX1amfG7tRv9OvWB3EzdyBJtDl48phiGDpTUwxN volCvMOEcUFHcpZtSwYiiAbZ47cNRGjuZSeuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tsX2zklTgVlFhI6xZTtWwU9FlRl3+KAb5cBh0Q79pjJwknTkzDPTbrQgMpDFiLy/N1 N6SgPeyeoBO2iELqlVXUvVJ6IesnXYPWHZM5wmKtnAY09ybAUiv9wbZiA2dHgks+oqOc u44xWSqzMfQSPqUmFSih6Aoo9KUh64mxXFHTE= Received: by 10.90.51.13 with SMTP id y13mr3779959agy.40.1216319082190; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.78.13 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4d4304a00807171124w292188d2n5aeb851c08f5de30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:24:42 -0400 From: "David A. Bryan" To: "Fred Baker" In-Reply-To: <38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> <487DBDD2.6080307@greenbytes.de> <487E23A0.3010205@employees.org> <487E2652.2020503@greenbytes.de> <487E2E2B.4070702@cs.tcd.ie> <38AB20D1-8D7F-42DF-92D8-75C60C4E35C2@cisco.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0ddabc5ae80450e Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hmmm...I guess this is a bug in the Tao, since the last few meetings we've had those lanyard straps, which, strictly speaking, negate the need for shirts. Not that I am in any way encouraging such behavior. David On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> if you saw a few people wearing IETF garb hanging about there > > From the Tao of the IETF: > >> 4.4. Dress Code >> >> Since attendees must wear their name tags, they must also wear shirts >> or blouses. Pants or skirts are also highly recommended. > > I'm having visions of the airport discovery protocol in operation... > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > -- David A. Bryan dbryan@SIPeerior.com +1.757.565.0101 x101 +1.757.565.0088 (fax) www.SIPeerior.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 17 13:55:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E543A67F8; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:55:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9283A67F8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BLYz-YM-5FPg for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.bahnhof.se (mx1.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166C43A677C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx1-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4629429559B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:56:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF2) Received: from mf2.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf2.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jsn1n3ZSRb9A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:56:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [79.136.75.78] (h-75-78.A165.cust.bahnhof.se [79.136.75.78]) by mf2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7604722 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <487FB1DC.5080504@veidit.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:55:56 +0200 From: John Angelmo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.15) Gecko/20080621 SeaMonkey/1.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Extra social ticket? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello Unfortunatly I got a late confirmation to visit IETF-72 (my first visit to the IETF) and I wonder if there is any waiting list for the social tickets since I seem to be a bit late for them. Or if anyone have a ticket to spare I would be happy to buy it. /John _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 04:15:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE0E3A68D5; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:15:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640363A68D5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEwEMyr7xsRg for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3496A3A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb] ([IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6IBFaiP008762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:15:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:15:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] Plug exchange X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I was wondering if anyone has a spare British/Irish plug for Apple power supplies. I'm willing to trade for a continental European one. In Philadelphia I got myself an extra power supply so I have an American plug and (of course) a bunch of European ones, so with a British one I should have a fairly comprehensive collection. In case large numbers of IETFers are interested in trading power plugs, please reply privately and I'll summerize to the list. Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 07:43:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D29528C147; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B4728C147 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0I0NWSeEiMRU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cl (mail.nic.cl [200.1.123.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FA728C141 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cl (mailn [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD02CC8425 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0400 (CLT) Received: from vulcano.intra.nic.cl (vulcano.intra.nic.cl [172.30.10.58]) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F19CC8424 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:44:02 -0400 (CLT) Message-ID: <4880AC31.6010201@nic.cl> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:44:01 -0400 From: Hugo Salgado User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on Fri Jul 18 10:44:02 2008 -0400 (CLT) Subject: [72attendees] CAcert assurer? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi. I wonder if there will be any "cacert assurer" in the meeting? I'm looking for someone who certifies me. In my country there're no assurers. This is my first ietf meeting, and I heard about a pgp key signing party... maybe we can add a cacert-certifying-party ;) Thanks! Hugo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 08:31:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19C23A6AD6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDE93A6AD6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQiLsFpPbT+P for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743EB3A69AF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988E36C018 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:31:46 -0400 Message-Id: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_sockets and http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf). Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often have shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This implies that a simple two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the shutters. I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was required by UK standards. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 08:43:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6E63A6AD8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7F3A6AD8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W4kk7CU-QvIU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8161A3A6AD6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so296054rvf.49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zjDBqP30XaoyBsuppsvWm8shqVoP21zarrS2Fc6U/sg=; b=JIvCuQDUxx2VnwWPFDoEcLmgXcKy+g21NtrSiALygUFgaVL2NT5NrcRAwHhG6C2iuC TlFMVpigCgD9JmMV8L1Ybei5qzIo63KqT1MDFuP3hiRETbDcqZKOyDkeguSaCf+uJCYC OKHLgeQG9jer4hgQGGNfH+czxvDVmMHWX5rTs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=eO7yJZkz08ISJ2S8H8gYNGLDEwzO0QpwHX/dgxDx3ge9D7ivYBUR5e7cTmD2uBloaw 4cXISRnXdmktUsglsOt4FLxOeOphBnqQAMw3TjEiTzjOHRdfYq0Okdk3Hn1LPOaMCpnO rgMQjf5a97xloyUUTwxFI+Gu7EKMXNHr+0/Jo= Received: by 10.141.210.21 with SMTP id m21mr157493rvq.23.1216395864855; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.128.8 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:44:24 +0100 From: "Alex McMahon" To: "Dale Worley" In-Reply-To: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0077331591==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0077331591== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14663_15349302.1216395864857" ------=_Part_14663_15349302.1216395864857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Dale, Yes, the meeting room power systems will use these plugs Alex On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Dale Worley wrote: > >From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using > British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_socketsand > http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf). > > Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? > > According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often have > shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the > insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This implies that a simple > two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the > shutters. > > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was > required by UK standards. > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > ------=_Part_14663_15349302.1216395864857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Dale,

Yes, the meeting room power systems will use these plugs

Alex

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Dale Worley <dworley@pingtel.com> wrote:
>From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using
British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_sockets and http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf).

Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs?

According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often have
shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the
insertion of the (longer) earth pin.  This implies that a simple
two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the
shutters.

I once had trouble in the UK with grounding.  I had expected to borrow a
UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick
only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was
required by UK standards.

Dale


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------=_Part_14663_15349302.1216395864857-- --===============0077331591== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0077331591==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 08:47:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2E3A6AD8; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328103A6AD8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CtufKtOFwFgo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94F63A63D3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m6IFm1Q7017420Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:48:01 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KJsBd-0003Ge-00; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:48:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:48:01 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Dale Worley Message-ID: <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale Worley said: > >From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using > British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_sockets and http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf). > > Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? I would hope so. I've not attended IETF for a few years, but I would hope they were geared up for UK, European, and US plugs. Of course, if it's just left up to the hotel then I expect there will only be UK-standard sockets. > According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often have > shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the > insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This implies that a simple > two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the > shutters. Wikipedia is wrong, as usual. Sockets to this standard *ALWAYS* have a shutter opened by the longer ground pin. I've seen cheap adaptors in airports that take a US plug and present a UK plug to the world - obviously I'm more interested in the converse. That may be your simplest answer. If your laptop/whatever has an IEC socket, then shops in Dublin should be able to sell you a replacement kettle lead - most kettles here that have detachable leads use IEC sockets. [By "IEC" I mean the three prong irregular hexagonal plug/socket, something like this shape: _______ / | \ / | | | \ | | | | +---------+ Note also that most leads have moulded-on plugs.] > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was > required by UK standards. Not sure what this refers to. I have plenty of devices around where the power end of the brick is a two pin figure-of-8 shell plug. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 09:51:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229183A6B03; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DBB3A6B03 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:51:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1eFLmPbXU9qe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3383A68CC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197AE6C018; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: "Clive D.W. Feather" In-Reply-To: <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:52:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1216399940.3807.19.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 16:48 +0100, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a > > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was > > required by UK standards. > > Not sure what this refers to. I have plenty of devices around where the > power end of the brick is a two pin figure-of-8 shell plug. The US IBM Thinkpad power brick uses a figure-of-8 plug (IEC C7). But the UK IBM Thinkpad power brick and cord uses a "Mickey Mouse" plug with a ground conductor (IEC C5). So the UK cord will not go into the US power brick. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 09:56:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB36D28C1E7; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B5628C1E7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NCUtFgquSwew for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5FB28C1E6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CD76C017; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: "Clive D.W. Feather" In-Reply-To: <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:57:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1216400245.3807.23.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 16:48 +0100, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > > Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? > > I would hope so. I've not attended IETF for a few years, but I would hope > they were geared up for UK, European, and US plugs. It's an interesting idea, but at least at the North American IETFs I've attended, they had only North American power and plugs. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 10:08:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158A528C1F6; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E94228C1F6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BZMaW89oYI6X for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8B828C1F4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.162] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IH8RC1083229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:00:02 -0700 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 4:48 PM +0100 7/18/08, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >Wikipedia is wrong, as usual. Sockets to this standard *ALWAYS* have a >shutter opened by the longer ground pin. I haven't been to the UK since the last IETF there, and I have forgotten how the adapters work. I have two that take US in and put out the big three for the UK. However, the "longer ground pin" on these adapters is just plastic, not metal. This plastic bit will still open the shutter, yes? This is a timely question because the hotel is far away from shops that might sell the "right" adapter. If folks have extra adapters, maybe bring them along so that people who didn't bring the right one won't have to spend a few hours going to town for one on Sunday or, worse, Monday. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 10:09:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D590328C1D2; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C22628C1CA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9I3tzM-u0yd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDDF28C1F4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zps19.corp.google.com (zps19.corp.google.com [172.25.146.19]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m6IHAMEe017805; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:10:23 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1216401023; bh=eC4qRUPrfqbGSjr2gyyQq/pASvg=; h=DomainKey-Signature:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-class:X-MimeOLE:Subject:Date: Message-ID:X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Thread-Topic: Thread-Index:From:To; b=fb1f7cyQ6GkFqqh84FtSR/nlJYh1IcCBbGMuOmo4W3 mONfddB4bUekoNTTaj4KOaB6/8RXny6OfpHnV3IiOZ1A== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-class:x-mimeole:subject:date:message-id: x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:thread-topic:thread-index:from:to; b=INvjFvo1W/hDzOHIXnHDkjQP1gsb5SVorwz7ybCbgMd0+JnYyhCygLOaG+cGCC414 q2+yNNYqZFrCFDMAzqMEQ== Received: from mtv-exbe-3.mtv.corp.google.com (mtv-exbe-3.mtv.corp.google.com [172.25.44.139]) by zps19.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6IHALiH017474; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Power in Dublin Thread-Index: Acjo+PTYAsGuh6HBTse7Fn16f0TaiAAADR63 From: "Vint Cerf" To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The plastic prong will open the shutter. V ----- Original Message ----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> To: 72attendees@ietf.org <72attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Fri Jul 18 10:00:02 2008 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin At 4:48 PM +0100 7/18/08, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >Wikipedia is wrong, as usual. Sockets to this standard *ALWAYS* have a >shutter opened by the longer ground pin. I haven't been to the UK since the last IETF there, and I have forgotten how the adapters work. I have two that take US in and put out the big three for the UK. However, the "longer ground pin" on these adapters is just plastic, not metal. This plastic bit will still open the shutter, yes? This is a timely question because the hotel is far away from shops that might sell the "right" adapter. If folks have extra adapters, maybe bring them along so that people who didn't bring the right one won't have to spend a few hours going to town for one on Sunday or, worse, Monday. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 10:12:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DF13A6943; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCDA3A6943 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.265, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLNn3YV4Q85K for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auth-smtp.nebula.fi (auth-smtp.nebula.fi [217.30.180.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE4E3A691C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialtutka.bogus (line-8058.dyn.kponet.fi [85.29.77.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth-smtp.nebula.fi (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6IHDJNe013491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:13:20 +0300 Message-ID: <4880CF07.6050405@sensinode.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:12:39 +0300 From: Zach Shelby User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Social event X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, If anybody ends up with an extra social event ticket on their hands, I am looking to buy one! Thanks, Zach -- Zach Shelby | Head of Research | +358 40 7796297 Sensinode Ltd. www.sensinode.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 10:32:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07E628C1DD; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD633A6AF1; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tg2NDkd-p5Vf; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail171.messagelabs.com (mail171.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880E13A6AEF; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-171.messagelabs.com!1216402388!16748860!3 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 19982 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 17:33:11 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-12.tower-171.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 17:33:11 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6IHX5cC000792; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:33:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Paul Hoffman MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:33:04 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/18/2008 01:36:01 PM, Serialize complete at 07/18/2008 01:36:01 PM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2033280931==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2033280931== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006068298525748A_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006068298525748A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Alternatively, One US/UK adapter, and an extension cord with multiple US-Style female receptacles. Janet 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/18/2008 01:00:02 PM: ... > > If folks have extra adapters, maybe bring them along so that people > who didn't bring the right one won't have to spend a few hours going > to town for one on Sunday or, worse, Monday. > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --=_alternative 006068298525748A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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Feather" References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Clive D.W. Feather wrote: | Dale Worley said: |> >From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using |> British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in |> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_sockets and http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf). |> |> Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? | | I would hope so. I've not attended IETF for a few years, but I would hope | they were geared up for UK, European, and US plugs. Of course, if it's just | left up to the hotel then I expect there will only be UK-standard sockets. They have typically had local plugs. I use a universal adapter, that has a plastic pin to insert for the shutter. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIgNMOE5f5cImnZrsRAqjTAJ4zu8cDZyLrLT8J71vOT8xoK0a+FACg0w/g Z+WoG+/JG/KEWibX12CPmEg= =fZhs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 10:45:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED13A6B28; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDAD3A6B28 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.134, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4UXJf569v7a for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DC3A6782 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:45:47 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,211,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="14712996" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2008 17:46:20 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6IHkKXw024769; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:46:20 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6IHkKaE024130; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:46:20 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:46:19 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4880D6EA.2060401@employees.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:46:18 -0400 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vint Cerf References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2008 17:46:19.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F68BE70:01C8E8FE] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/18/08 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf allegedly wrote: > If folks have extra adapters, maybe bring them along so that people > who didn't bring the right one won't have to spend a few hours going > to town for one on Sunday or, worse, Monday. I'll bring 3-4. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 11:35:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B4F28C21C; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DB128C219 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:35:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EkFOpSsEpNCH for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kirei.se (unknown [IPv6:2001:670:87:11::178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C16928C211 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kirei.se; s=wagaya20060620; t=1216406170; bh=gY2YAjDL3JvwCbMcoHPS1CO3fOu5LQB+ YrWqyBLk5oM=; h=Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References; b=cg0wAs7iTHpuiFoRUGsz1CB7ZOYut0+y8dSPDv6Iq7GzqGtWdZN2AXlTmOlcFlCFC iC6lt7fV7C9HZSngSJ5mSOqZUs8DlhE6PCnh+38Ug9TJFPpUw5evfoY7eMByGVR/WeD SCnJ6QGBiGuFhaeXFaUQReKvxodtN5FpahmXh9k= Message-Id: From: Jakob Schlyter To: Hugo Salgado In-Reply-To: <4880AC31.6010201@nic.cl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:36:05 +0200 References: <4880AC31.6010201@nic.cl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAcert assurer? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 18 jul 2008, at 16.44, Hugo Salgado wrote: > Hi. I wonder if there will be any "cacert assurer" in the > meeting? I'll be there and I'd happy to assure. anyone needing assurance can contact me by jabber (JID == my email address) or email during the IETF-week. jakob _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 14:38:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990EE3A6811; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851933A6811 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SqcUSZ94dU2o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.irishsystems.com (cl-79.dub-01.ie.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:770:100:4e::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F5C3A680E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.100.12.104] (unknown [10.100.12.104]) by mail1.irishsystems.com (Snafu Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 853842B008D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:38:28 +0100 (IST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4880AC31.6010201@nic.cl> References: <4880AC31.6010201@nic.cl> Message-Id: <509A12F0-9367-4191-8A5D-C8B38371DC48@tssg.org> From: John Ronan Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:38:28 +0100 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAcert assurer? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 18 Jul 2008, at 15:44, Hugo Salgado wrote: > Hi. I wonder if there will be any "cacert assurer" in the > meeting? > Hi Hugo, I'll be there as well. John -- John Ronan , +353-51-302938 Telecommunications Software & Systems Group, http://www.tssg.org _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 18 16:20:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D4B3A693C; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85833A6949 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtcpG2uXJU53 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68EF3A68FB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,212,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="37691686" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2008 23:21:16 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6INLFKN026826; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:21:15 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6INLFfA007938; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:21:15 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=337; t=1216423275; x=1217287275; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Power=20in=20Dublin |Sender:=20; bh=EkhPdX27Lyi0g4YjzPXAJGoh97Ql0aNJUH0HhaOlmvk=; b=hYwgY0FGkXVKoolmh+3uwmHNN2hTaE5ewMWgwDkN6JSaKQu2vlPRJM2gYA D5/ZgNoFYvHj7QjMZXzOwHyp+xmV3C3R/hedpNuVC2QVFFz8MH8a/OGsFsfv zipZQXcUwe; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Suggestion: Bring an OPEN ENDED cable to Dublin, ask the host to buy a box of plugs and re-sell them. Attach plug to cable, done. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 19 18:20:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3358D3A69F9; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A03A69F9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.157 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.157 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.442, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pGfJiylGGtG6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4653A69BE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so591290wfd.31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ywxL/EGx7xhCaUkgG9CSy2PpSW1E2T/jWN8H1sESSY=; b=EwFz2F8wKCSH4woTAwQa8yBStyUoL/E8+KIW/5XS3xVwCOX+pXd87vnv7qaK3v+7sE Gu9yzjrikNFGDozyWsvJ3P2h7+PptM9zoce2bFAkZfb8UuC7SnAWlk/rCyBWzBBBChw3 w5xGlOmq22AZCT+iHWNvXSMUEDADHUjx0mU4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v2JmyUHJaUPOjHbMChzqQfHfgT7WwaMjbzortQpr+nb0JwvqGY7TFAW6Tx/s0fgGdO JTko0yZecoU5x4hKDIDxuOUaZizlYk96q0wmoRLGcuokkbLUAZhNDb73lotpPOdf1SCJ 2O2F+wPR0HxseCDzlgD5o+JxDsVuc2gG+aqVg= Received: by 10.142.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr698497wff.113.1216516855361; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? ( [118.93.54.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm5564911wfg.13.2008.07.19.18.20.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488292F2.4010007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:20:50 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org "An air traffic control fault that brought Dublin airport to its knees last week has been traced to an intermittently flakey network card." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/18/dublin_network_card/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 20 06:53:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C68F3A6902; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CBC3A68E7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.749, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TtbnZeq1VFrf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3F3A682F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,218,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="14825531" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2008 13:54:27 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6KDsR5p011824; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:27 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6KDsRxK012736; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:54:27 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:27 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <488292F2.4010007@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport Thread-Index: AcjqBuGV+AxBg7OpQmWL2h2syWtN/gAaQL9g References: <488292F2.4010007@gmail.com> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Brian E Carpenter" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2008 13:54:27.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[2009D090:01C8EA70] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=719; t=1216562067; x=1217426067; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20FYI=3A=20News=20story=2 0re=20Dublin=20airport |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Brian=20E=20Carpenter=22=20,=20<72attendees@ietf.org>; bh=iw1hKtcmzh9TJS6Z7yV0s90Ub0hlMCnuepPQYebIatQ=; b=T0ta30gu84I0C7x7Nj8xSzSFWG042JQMnSlirNxopPgK7KPWHUIJ5azmj3 BQ/0TGxk64ns8MQ0y0MCptqFI0CTV0pidH4YxrslHlRjUnyfbQjevbRJvXsV UOHDCxQ3dK; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Oh, joy! Someone I know traveling to IETF 72 will get travel anxiety hearing this. Hemant -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:21 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport "An air traffic control fault that brought Dublin airport to its knees last week has been traced to an intermittently flakey network card." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/18/dublin_network_card/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 20 07:04:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B64A3A6808; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175823A6808 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dmo5HAARxBPd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw.allot.com (mailgw.allot.com [199.203.223.210]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535053A6783 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.allot.com (Not Verified[172.20.20.20]) by mailgw.allot.com with MailMarshal (v6, 2, 2, 3503) id ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:07:02 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:07:01 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <05F7777636653C48883BE6FF7FFC64C50830A7AB@neon.ALLOT.LOCAL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport Thread-Index: AcjqBuGV+AxBg7OpQmWL2h2syWtN/gAaQL9gAABrHrA= References: <488292F2.4010007@gmail.com> From: "Jay Klein" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Actually, it is very likely that the engineer behind the design of the flakey network card which caused the fault will be attending the conference. I'll notify the local authorities upon his arrival. Jay -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hemant Singh (shemant) Sent: Sunday, 20 July, 2008 16:54 To: Brian E Carpenter; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport Oh, joy! Someone I know traveling to IETF 72 will get travel anxiety hearing this. Hemant -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:21 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport "An air traffic control fault that brought Dublin airport to its knees last week has been traced to an intermittently flakey network card." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/18/dublin_network_card/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 20 07:30:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09843A6933; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945F3A6808 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZFo+NkDO83wJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5C83A690B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,218,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="14858361" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2008 14:31:29 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6KEVSWM030817; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:31:29 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6KEVSpG023681; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:28 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-96-85.cisco.com [10.61.96.85]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6KEVOC26378; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:31:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807201431.m6KEVOC26378@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:31:21 +0100 To: "Jay Klein" , <72attendees@ietf.org> From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <05F7777636653C48883BE6FF7FFC64C50830A7AB@neon.ALLOT.LOCAL> References: <488292F2.4010007@gmail.com> <05F7777636653C48883BE6FF7FFC64C50830A7AB@neon.ALLOT.LOCAL> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1771; t=1216564289; x=1217428289; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20FYI=3A=20News=20story=2 0re=20Dublin=20airport |Sender:=20; bh=2oovQAaGe3fU+KQ+33VvVF91w+UDX48hcs2NKUbhGXw=; b=Rz/D29EjWNcKLLsQ86no55FZVLfuMgM08yi9n6O7w0YEYhPO5/mrX9RmoV SSpb8CwzCjxOvG3byDcQv1eU1HxjNlTqGpRdRqfFaM2GluyypI8FKG/BLCwy MzYm59aaMZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is reminiscent of: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/we-need-backup/sputtering-network-card-strands-17000-people-at-lax-289792.php fast, cheap, and out of control... At Sunday 20/07/2008 17:07 +0300, Jay Klein wrote: >Actually, it is very likely that the engineer behind the design of the >flakey network card which caused the fault will be attending the >conference. I'll notify the local authorities upon his arrival. > >Jay > >-----Original Message----- >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf Of Hemant Singh (shemant) >Sent: Sunday, 20 July, 2008 16:54 >To: Brian E Carpenter; 72attendees@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport > >Oh, joy! Someone I know traveling to IETF 72 will get travel anxiety >hearing this. > >Hemant > >-----Original Message----- >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter >Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:21 PM >To: 72attendees@ietf.org >Subject: [72attendees] FYI: News story re Dublin airport > >"An air traffic control fault that brought Dublin airport to its knees >last week has been traced to an intermittently flakey network card." > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/18/dublin_network_card/ > >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 00:53:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118333A6838; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC423A6838 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LxotcK-LaMKy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2431A3A659B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m6L7sFKm027566Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:54:16 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KKqDn-000AOx-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:54:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:54:15 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Paul Hoffman Message-ID: <20080721075415.GA39660@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Paul Hoffman said: > I haven't been to the UK since the last IETF there, and I have > forgotten how the adapters work. I have two that take US in and put > out the big three for the UK. However, the "longer ground pin" on > these adapters is just plastic, not metal. This plastic bit will > still open the shutter, yes? Yes - it's a purely mechanical operation (the shutter is a plastic inverted T with a bevelled top and a spring underneath it - pushing in the ground pin pushes the T downwards against the spring, revealing the holes). -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 01:01:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8443A688D; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A803A688D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kARov7PcOBm2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A2D3A659B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m6L81dr6005982Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:01:39 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KKqKw-000AdA-00; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:01:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:01:38 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Dale Worley Message-ID: <20080721080138.GA40183@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <1216399940.3807.19.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1216399940.3807.19.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale Worley said: > > > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a > > > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > > > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was > > > required by UK standards. > > > > Not sure what this refers to. I have plenty of devices around where the > > power end of the brick is a two pin figure-of-8 shell plug. > > The US IBM Thinkpad power brick uses a figure-of-8 plug (IEC C7). But > the UK IBM Thinkpad power brick and cord uses a "Mickey Mouse" plug with > a ground conductor (IEC C5). So the UK cord will not go into the US > power brick. Okay, based on : * Much computing equipment has a C14 on it (this is what I think of as an "IEC connector"). A UK/Irish kettle lead will normally have a C15 end on it; this will fit into the C14 (and the curly lead keeps things tidy). We have both C5 and C7 equipment connectors here; why IBM chose to use different ones in different countries, I can't say. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 01:01:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526123A6806; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C123A691D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDjpOWA0t3IY for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018DF3A6806 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3287192 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:02:11 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([10.218.0.68]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:09:57 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4884427F.4090908@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:02:07 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clive D.W. Feather" References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <20080721075415.GA39660@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080721075415.GA39660@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > Paul Hoffman said: >> I haven't been to the UK since the last IETF there, and I have >> forgotten how the adapters work. I have two that take US in and put >> out the big three for the UK. However, the "longer ground pin" on >> these adapters is just plastic, not metal. This plastic bit will >> still open the shutter, yes? > > Yes - it's a purely mechanical operation (the shutter is a plastic inverted > T with a bevelled top and a spring underneath it - pushing in the ground > pin pushes the T downwards against the spring, revealing the holes). In other words you literally stick a fork in it. ;) -derek _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 01:08:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078533A6806; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93C3A6806 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FlcNuPL2Y+e1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (dlpdemo.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAF13A6804 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id 98285294002; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:54 +0300 (IDT) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.68]) by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D235294001; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from RnD-Test.checkpoint.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m6L88rjI023961; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:53 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: From: Yoav Nir To: Derek Atkins In-Reply-To: <4884427F.4090908@pgp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:52 +0300 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <20080721075415.GA39660@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <4884427F.4090908@pgp.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: > Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >> Yes - it's a purely mechanical operation (the shutter is a plastic >> inverted >> T with a bevelled top and a spring underneath it - pushing in the >> ground >> pin pushes the T downwards against the spring, revealing the holes). > > In other words you literally stick a fork in it. ;) Sticking a for in an electric socket is NOT RECOMMENDED. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 01:37:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894533A6812; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD5A3A6812 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NElgXI+u7NLe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F0C3A659B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vijfje.nlnetlabs.nl (vijfje.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6L8bXqq085390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jaapna@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: From: Jaap Akkerhuis To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:37:21 +0200 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <20080718154801.GB9663@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <20080721075415.GA39660@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <4884427F.4090908@pgp.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Sticking a for in an electric socket is NOT RECOMMENDED. Use cookies instead jaap _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 09:27:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE9C3A6A4B; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE76B3A6AC1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCBuX8VcAiw3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cleveland.smoti.org (h-68-166-241-89.sfldmidn.covad.net [68.166.241.89]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44583A63D3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaker.smoti.org ([68.166.241.90]) by cleveland.smoti.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54) id 1KJsG0-00063m-Sx; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4880BC40.1020600@isc.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:52:32 -0400 From: Keith Mitchell Organization: Internet Systems Consortium User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> In-Reply-To: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale Worley wrote: > According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often have > shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the > insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This implies that a simple > two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the > shutters. This is generally rectifiable with a screwdriver carefully inserted into the *EARTH* pin (not that I'd recommend this of course..:) > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to borrow a > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that was > required by UK standards. Leads with 3-pin UK plugs to 2-pin power bricks are commonly available, I've never found it to be a problem in practice. Keith _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 09:27:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255233A6AA3; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A173A6AD5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXIgYcNAyOdA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD73A63D3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KJsOw-000GPQ-65; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:01:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:01:45 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Dale Worley , 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Friday, 18 July, 2008 11:31 -0400 Dale Worley wrote: >> From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V >> 50Hz using > British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_socke > ts#History_of_plugs_and_sockets and > http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL > .pdf). > > Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? > > According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard > often have shutters over the live and neutral connections that > are opened by the insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This > implies that a simple two-prong plug adapter might not > suffice, as it would not open the shutters. That is correct. Most "universal" plug adaptors have some sort of dead pin arrangement (often of plastic, rather than metal), whose purpose is to jam into the shutter-opening earth pin location and open the shutters. > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected > to borrow a UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered > that my US power-brick only accepted 2-conductor cables, and > not the 3-conductor cable that was required by UK standards. Strange adapters are readily available and I have UK power cables that have things that look like BS 1363 plugs at one end (fuses and all, but nothing connected to the earthing pin and a C7 (two-pn "figure 8") at the other end. The adapters I keep wishing I could find would have IEC C14 (female version of the familiar "computer power connector") at one end and C7 ("figure 8") and C5 ("Mickey Mouse") at the other. But, so far, no luck commercially. john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 09:27:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831A628C0E9; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A8F28C1EF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VoyQu6gWWA7f for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartok.nlnetlabs.nl (bartok.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:216:76ff:feb8:3c02]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB4528C1B4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartok.nlnetlabs.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bartok.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6IHImIr087523; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:18:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jaap@bartok.nlnetlabs.nl) Message-Id: <200807181718.m6IHImIr087523@bartok.nlnetlabs.nl> To: Paul Hoffman In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:00:02 -0700. Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:18:48 +0200 From: Jaap Akkerhuis X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (bartok.nlnetlabs.nl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:18:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:16 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 4:48 PM +0100 7/18/08, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >Wikipedia is wrong, as usual. Sockets to this standard *ALWAYS* have a >shutter opened by the longer ground pin. I haven't been to the UK since the last IETF there, and I have forgotten how the adapters work. I have two that take US in and put out the big three for the UK. However, the "longer ground pin" on these adapters is just plastic, not metal. This plastic bit will still open the shutter, yes? Yes. Any object that fit will do that as far as I remember. Cookies might work. jaap _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 10:05:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B26D3A6AD6; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F653A68A9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FiBlQZrZM5VO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA65D3A67E7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=ca.afilias.info; h=Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=Rkm7tdOHu2V02bW2Vv6o1mEOmY2cZFQGISO4xDlI2+xE+YL4eiylgcO+wysKRV4qlJi4AA9/mgA7EOY0z2hlXqAH0zZSTJoHJk9nyp+L4TWv1BaQhrgLfseNPhgO1Knx; Received: from [199.212.90.27] (helo=yxu1b27.hopcount.ca) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KKyon-00037u-8F; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:05:01 +0000 Message-Id: From: Joe Abley To: Keith Mitchell In-Reply-To: <4880BC40.1020600@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:05:00 -0400 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4880BC40.1020600@isc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 18 Jul 2008, at 11:52, Keith Mitchell wrote: > This is generally rectifiable with a screwdriver carefully inserted > into > the *EARTH* pin (not that I'd recommend this of course..:) And for the benefit of North Americans that are anything like those I've experienced here in electrician supply outlets, "earth" means "ground". [I thought this was obvious, but it took many bewildering exchanges before anybody was able to make any sense of what I was saying while I persisted in using the word "earth". Substituting "ground" made everything good again.] Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 10:08:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B61C3A6AD8; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35023A6ADC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id keYUO1021d3U for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA30A3A6AD8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,224,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="18382446" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 17:09:18 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6LH9II7023658; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:09:18 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6LH9ItC022760; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:09:18 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: John C Klensin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1028; t=1216660158; x=1217524158; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Power=20in=20Dublin |Sender:=20; bh=pz9QkMFqiDWdhDP5u4mY3oJvlj2UPl7+uoi2GLMEk+4=; b=POUkgUb7rL0IvGnEIulxNJgovQMnIjlmQZNT75XXvsDsNB/8RwkXBIfwTB BvGmiHNNSo56I6AxvUfWBubvGPe8xLTu8CtVeDPUHcwoZ3xH54wxcf15NQvf phlbj00OP/; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org By far the most elegant solution to this problem is a flat plastic "tray" which has a protruding ground pin (made of plastic of course) and ROUND holes which allows any EUROPEAN style plug to be used in a UK socket. These things are readily available in Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia, I will bring as many as I can find in my collection. I'll ask here publically that anyone from the above mentioned places bring a bunch. They cost something like $1 for 3 or 4. By the way, if anyone needs a Sascom, I have a couple of those too, see: http://www.yikes.com/~ole/store/kyoto/Gadgets.html ... and I will restock on my next trip to Japan after the IETF in November. Cheers, Ole PS. Check organdemo.info for details on our next gig, August 26 in Christchurch, New Zealand. Find an excuse to be there :-) Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 10:34:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DD728C13B; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5793828C116 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.06 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avUTE5XIPsdA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F7C28C13B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFA46C01C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4880BC40.1020600@isc.org> References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4880BC40.1020600@isc.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:35:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1216661701.11696.16.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:52 -0400, Keith Mitchell wrote: > This is generally rectifiable with a screwdriver carefully inserted into > the *EARTH* pin (not that I'd recommend this of course..:) I was thinking of something non-conductive, like the traditional matchstick. But matchsticks may be less common than plug converters now. However, I have now verified that Radio Shack stocks a plug converter that suffices: The male end is a 3-prong UK/Irish plug, and the female end is a *2*-prong US (actually sort-of-universal) plug. So you may need a 2-prong-to-3-prong US adapter also. And I am sure a shop in the Dublin airport has what one needs. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:07:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFC43A6875; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0938A3A6875 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYn5zR2CFkHf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218263A686E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,224,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="55658083" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 18:08:33 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6LI8XRM018762; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:33 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6LI8XdB019262; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:08:33 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: John C Klensin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=782; t=1216663713; x=1217527713; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Power=20in=20Dublin=20--=20one=20more=20thing |Sender:=20; bh=roYzwMAXlfZ+NyK5uqAeWY67NRjfxUzQptpKm1SMWLs=; b=o/Go4zO8nhPX7akX9obFdWRC1bmRTVhxnFhj4IQwzvCL3ylQuEcNXCaBrT 8E9sJULlvdTcedmTEqQkiBj9LQRq6tpkShumQsnucG4eBbDHDLAyeyXEadsL 2IdfqR0hAf; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of outlets (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) that have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good idea to bring an adapter for that as well. The plug I am talking about is shown on the LEFT in this picture: http://www.yikes.com/~ole/plugs/plugs-uk.jpg WonPro makes really good adapters: http://www.europlugs.com/Wonpro_catalog/WA_Plug_Adapters_Ivory_Overview.htm You will want a WA-7 and a WA-10 These adapters will take "anything" on the input side. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:10:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AEB3A69F1; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871FA3A6A11 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JzmC+0e5Rwxh for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.tcd.ie (relay.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:214:4fff:feb0:ab6c]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DF73A6875 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26703FE13; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:11:05 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.tcd.ie Received: from cs.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UiCjBsmeRoOs; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:11:05 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.140] (steeephen.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.140]) by smtp.cs.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D4C3FDC7; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:11:04 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:12:32 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of > outlets (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) that > have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good > idea to bring an adapter for that as well. Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've seen one of those in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one at home. S. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:14:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC433A6A7F; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BB43A6A11 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.163, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9trC7HpJ4PVt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C239B3A6A7F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,224,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="88715714" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2008 18:14:39 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6LIEduK030706; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:14:39 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6LIEd8l017088; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:14:39 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Stephen Farrell In-Reply-To: <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> Message-ID: References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=897; t=1216664079; x=1217528079; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Power=20in=20Dublin=20- -=20one=20more=20thing |Sender:=20; bh=yYhGD9M9asx2gQBT6Q2nGQzOUgmm15OWpGnAN630A6M=; b=WG6Jkz6X4OEvlho4hizxj+xyRSdkNSpSVl2k2ya03Tc8LDLz2hzM6SXUHH V2lIX6+DngXwm+as8TWG94WAOTztW5aqYxhoJ3zK3AquswpRF4ylgUSsUaYC SP9SS8YCnF; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org That's good to hear. UK is not Ireland for sure. You will however find them in some of the lounges at Heathrow, a place I suspect many will be (if only reluctantly) passing through. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of outlets > > (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) that > > have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good > > idea to bring an adapter for that as well. > > Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've seen one of those > in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one at home. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:20:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C1128C19A; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1710B28C199 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JuFIgOl0X8lg for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2906528C193 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18A03398024 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id ABBD9280F2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-a89febb000000ece-f3-4884d39ca931 Received: from elliott.apple.com (elliott.apple.com [17.151.62.13]) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 9B21F280C6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.66.41.83] (vpn1p073.euro.apple.com [17.66.41.83]) by elliott.apple.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4D007MMCBDRS40@elliott.apple.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:21:12 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Love_H=F6rnquist_=C5strand?= In-reply-to: <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> To: Stephen Farrell Message-id: <0B509195-1C73-4461-969A-255438F97D13@apple.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1018.1) References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org 21 jul 2008 kl. 19.12 skrev Stephen Farrell: > Ole Jacobsen wrote: >> Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number >> of outlets (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) >> that >> have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good >> idea to bring an adapter for that as well. > > Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've seen one of those > in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one at home. I got three of those in my apartment here in Dublin, it seem to be used for outlets controlled by the wall switch.... Love _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:30:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924AA28C1B1; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E7928C1B0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ULRBco02bQX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FF828C1AF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.192] (static-167-138-7-89.ipcom.comunitel.net [89.7.138.167] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6LIUhsO076540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:30:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Stephen Farrell In-Reply-To: <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:28:37 +0200 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 21 jul 2008, at 20:12, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good >> idea to bring an adapter for that as well. > Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've seen one of those > in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one at home. As we're beating this horse to a slow, painful death anyway: please note that in Europe (yes, that includes Ireland and the UK) we use 230 volts. So in addition to getting a converter plug, make sure your laptop and other electronics can handle this. (230 volts is the center voltage with tightened margins, falling within the specs for both the old 220 and 240 voltages.) I'm still looking to trade one of my European Apple power supply plugs for a British one, by the way. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:35:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B910F28C1BE; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C900728C1BB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.073 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.073 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.773, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jei6yobiWLpX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boo.jadickinson.co.uk (82-68-198-190.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.68.198.190]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F45E28C1BE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.70] (unknown [192.168.1.70]) by boo.jadickinson.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE6A8151B; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:51:31 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jadickinson.co.uk; s=default; t=1216396291; bh=IEBqATX52ecrm+ucuOue5MVmL2I6x2VMJgvOltA jBUI=; h=Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References; b=H45nvnMGMNVJpcPtJeUabRXx2oFU6X+fTtwGaJwKxdOe/nlUN/IeihCchU/nF8oLv t21ZDjIfekC2hCLmg7MQHCykYvmZcNfzE3prgtz+eEvNwoW560UXVNAtWDZEYcYiMwR TJtmnx/lGjlhlzuMj95gX+ed//1NFkWAackcvIw= Message-Id: From: John Dickinson To: Dale Worley In-Reply-To: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:50:15 +0100 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 18 Jul 2008, at 16:31, Dale Worley wrote: >> From what I can tell, the power standard in Dublin is 220V 50Hz using > British Standard 1363 plugs (listed as "Type G" in > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#History_of_plugs_and_sockets > and http://www.ita.doc.gov/media/Publications/pdf/current2002FINAL.pdf) > . > > Will the meeting room power systems use these plugs? > I hope so - real plugs that go in and stay in :) > According to the Wikipedia article, sockets to this standard often > have > shutters over the live and neutral connections that are opened by the > insertion of the (longer) earth pin. This implies that a simple > two-prong plug adapter might not suffice, as it would not open the > shutters. > > I once had trouble in the UK with grounding. I had expected to > borrow a > UK cable for my IBM power-brick, but discovered that my US power-brick > only accepted 2-conductor cables, and not the 3-conductor cable that > was > required by UK standards. > I don't know about standards but if you mean one of these http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=1168&&source=14&doy=18m7 then they are really common. My macbook power supply uses one. John _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 21 11:36:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABF328C199; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE0F28C162 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vCOQv6r8LQG for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colibri.verisign.com (colibri.verisign.com [65.205.251.74]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A51B28C1BC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer1.verisign.com [65.205.251.34]) by colibri.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m6LILXgr015122; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:33 -0700 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB09.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.15.197]) by mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:47 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:33:52 -0700 Message-ID: <2788466ED3E31C418E9ACC5C316615572FF9B3@mou1wnexmb09.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing Thread-Index: AcjrXaziw+ol5dvGTIaL7leE6MualgAAqZR8 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com><4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "Ole Jacobsen" , "Stephen Farrell" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2008 18:36:47.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB5C3830:01C8EB60] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1310702099==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1310702099== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB60.BB76A677" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB60.BB76A677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I havent seen one in the UK in thirty years. =20 What you do sometimes find is the use of non-standard plugs to = discourage unauthorized use of outlets. And last time I stayed in a = London hotel they had both UK and continental sockets in the room. ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Ole Jacobsen Sent: Mon 7/21/2008 2:11 PM To: Stephen Farrell Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing That's good to hear. UK is not Ireland for sure. You will however find them in some of the lounges at Heathrow, a place I suspect many will be (if only reluctantly) passing through. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of = outlets > > (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) that > > have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good > > idea to bring an adapter for that as well. > > Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've seen one of those > in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one at home. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EB60.BB76A677 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one = more thing=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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I havent seen = one in the UK in thirty years.
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=0A= From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = on behalf of Ole Jacobsen
Sent: Mon 7/21/2008 2:11 = PM
To: Stephen Farrell
Cc: = 72attendees@ietf.org
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That's good to hear.

UK is not Ireland for = sure. You will however find them in some of the
lounges at Heathrow, = a place I suspect many will be (if only
reluctantly) passing = through.

Ole


Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and = Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: = +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: = ole@cisco.com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj


On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Stephen Farrell = wrote:

>
>
> Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> > = Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of = outlets
> > (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current = devices) that
> > have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, = and it might be a good
> > idea to bring an adapter for that as = well.
>
> Maybe. But I'd say it might be 20 years since I've = seen one of those
> in use in Ireland. IMO you can leave that one = at home.
>
> = S.
>
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I don't think the Dubliners would take kindly to being called "UK"

72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/21/2008 02:05:14 PM:

>
> Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of
> outlets (used mainly for lamps and other lower-current devices) that
> have three ROUND pins instead of square ones, and it might be a good
> idea to bring an adapter for that as well.
>
> The plug I am talking about is shown on the LEFT in this picture:
>
> http://www.yikes.com/~ole/plugs/plugs-uk.jpg
>
> WonPro makes really good adapters:
>
> http://www.europlugs.com/Wonpro_catalog/WA_Plug_Adapters_Ivory_Overview.htm
>
> You will want a WA-7 and a WA-10
>
> These adapters will take "anything" on the input side.
>
> Ole
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
> Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> E-mail: ole@cisco.com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 72attendees mailing list
> 72attendees@ietf.org
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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Friday, July 18, 2008 10:44:01 AM -0400 Hugo Salgado wrote: > Hi. I wonder if there will be any "cacert assurer" in the > meeting? > > I'm looking for someone who certifies me. In my country there're > no assurers. This is my first ietf meeting, and I heard about a pgp key > signing party... maybe we can add a cacert-certifying-party ;) Details on the PGP key-signing will be posted to the ietf-announce list sometime in the next few days. If there are any CAcert assurers who are interested, please contact me off-list, and we can arrange to get people assured at the same time and place. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 06:29:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EE23A691F; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A723A6949 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjwE2cuGaTrk for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate-internal3.sri.com (mailgate-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.84.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A141F3A6859 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (128.18.84.115) by mailgate-internal3.sri.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 13:30:24 -0000 X-AuditID: 80125473-aa043bb000000a91-51-4885e0f0ad99 Received: from srimail1.sri.com (srimail1.SRI.COM [128.18.30.11]) by smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B22101B2501 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (static-72-90-189-2.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [72.90.189.2]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4E00FENTINM5N5@mail.sri.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:30:27 -0400 From: Ed Jankiewicz In-reply-to: To: Janet P Gunn Message-id: <4885E0F3.30201@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Black and Tan X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org But I have on good authority it is now OK to order a "black and tan" in a pub. Unless someone on the list knows that it would be politically incorrect to do so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tan Janet P Gunn wrote: > > > > I don't think the Dubliners would take kindly to being called "UK" > > > 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/21/2008 02:05:14 PM: > > > > > Travellers to the UK should note that you will ALSO find a number of -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 08:48:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339AD28B797; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ED728B797 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:49:40 +0000 Message-Id: <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> From: Joe Abley To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:49:34 -0400 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 21 Jul 2008, at 14:28, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > As we're beating this horse to a slow, painful death anyway: That surely is the point of this list, given experience of previous such lists :-) Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:04:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B57228B797; 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Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:03:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4932AC5FA; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:04:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id HpUZDky6d7nx; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from MainPC (84-245-17-74.dsl.cambrium.nl [84.245.17.74]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8892AC5B8; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:04:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Joe Abley'" , "'Iljitsch van Beijnum'" References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> In-Reply-To: <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:04:18 +0200 Message-ID: <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjsEo9u2XCKTT4+T+CRFZ4PYpJANQAAYjrQ Content-Language: nl Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes...from the top of my mind: How to get hot water from weird Prague Hotel bath tab. Smoking here and there and seeping smoke where we do not want it. Cookies, peanuts and chocolate. Water bottles not there we need water. Noise of construction. And now the famous endless discussion about UK plug standards used in UK and Eire. Why? I may have missed even more stuff. But I am going to suggest that we have IETF-Attendees list (this list) for relevant IETF news and IETF-chitchat for the rest. Is that an idea? :-) /Arnoud > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Abley > Sent: dinsdag 22 juli 2008 16:50 > To: Iljitsch van Beijnum > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing > > > On 21 Jul 2008, at 14:28, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > > As we're beating this horse to a slow, painful death anyway: > > That surely is the point of this list, given experience of previous > such lists :-) > > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:05:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15028C160; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C6628C160 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HobEkIQOlwQz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB22828C15B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so1282658and.122 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr2520701ane.123.1216742792975; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.172.3 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <167dfb9b0807220906l52c5da6ckfde57da07cbd8e03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:06:32 +0100 From: "Theo Zourzouvillys" To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" In-Reply-To: <2788466ED3E31C418E9ACC5C316615572FF9B3@mou1wnexmb09.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <2788466ED3E31C418E9ACC5C316615572FF9B3@mou1wnexmb09.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dfa51226711ca8c9 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > I havent seen one in the UK in thirty years. > > What you do sometimes find is the use of non-standard plugs to discourage > unauthorized use of outlets. And last time I stayed in a London hotel they > had both UK and continental sockets in the room. Actually, they seem to have started to make a come back in modern developments. At least 3 new-build flats and one house I looked at buying in London in the last 2 years have had these scattered around the place for lamps. The light switches then controlled these plugs as well as the overhead lights. ~ Theo -- Theo Zourzouvillys Chief Technical Officer VoIP.co.uk _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 09:10:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FED3A6993; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:10:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72D53A6881 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H6T6Cefivlps for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09223A6993 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb] ([IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6MGAg23011318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: "Arnoud van Wijk" In-Reply-To: <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:54 +0200 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 22 jul 2008, at 18:04, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > I may have missed even more stuff. But I am going to suggest that we > have > IETF-Attendees list (this list) for relevant IETF news and IETF- > chitchat for > the rest. Is that an idea? :-) And history repeats itself: these lists were created to syphon the chit chat off of the ietf@ietf list... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:13:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2253A68F0; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:13:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B423A68F0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jog5I1RzjdVm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261863A67FF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.252] (ksanti.fugue.com [66.93.162.128]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93ACC34E45F9; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:14:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <06DE9F29-2F29-413D-9DB0-E569B11C06FB@fugue.com> From: Ted Lemon To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:13:39 -0700 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > And history repeats itself: these lists were created to syphon the > chit chat off of the ietf@ietf list... Indeed, I thought ietf-event-related yakking was the whole point of the list. I have to say that I found the RSS feed from the last IETF to be more useful for official information. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 12:05:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675CD3A69F8; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979FE3A67FF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FKWB829a3VU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net (exhub015-2.exch015.msoutlookonline.net [207.5.72.94]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7A13A69F8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (67.188.243.194) by smtpx15.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.278.0; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:06:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Stanislav Shalunov To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:06:07 -0700 References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I unsubscribed from the list twice (and yes, I am familiar with driving mailman). I got silently put on the list again -- perhaps a bug, or maybe the idea is that everyone attending must be on the list. Shouldn't chitchat go to a least where unsubscribe works? -- Stas On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 22 jul 2008, at 18:04, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > >> I may have missed even more stuff. But I am going to suggest that >> we have >> IETF-Attendees list (this list) for relevant IETF news and IETF- >> chitchat for >> the rest. Is that an idea? :-) > > And history repeats itself: these lists were created to syphon the > chit chat off of the ietf@ietf list... > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Stanislav Shalunov BitTorrent Inc personal: http://shlang.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 12:07:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7083A6965; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4A13A69F8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iSc1ge4d2A7n for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp231.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp231.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.231]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE263A6881 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6612C1B8C65; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay13.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: dvorshak-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 52CE31B79A3; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Drew Dvorshak" To: "'Stanislav Shalunov'" , "'Iljitsch van Beijnum'" References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info><005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <016901c8ec2e$386a7210$6400a8c0@ISOC.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjsLgEHstJpqR/3RfKnOn/K4DpqjAAABPeg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I am having exactly the same problem and found myself back on the list this morning after having been confirmed unsubscribed for a 3rd time. Andrew Dvorshak Sr. Mgr., Organizational Membership 1775 Wiehle Ave., Ste. 102 Reston, VA 20910-5108 USA dvorshak@isoc.org Office: +1 703 439 2129 Fax: +1 703 326 9881 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stanislav Shalunov Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:06 PM To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing I unsubscribed from the list twice (and yes, I am familiar with driving mailman). I got silently put on the list again -- perhaps a bug, or maybe the idea is that everyone attending must be on the list. Shouldn't chitchat go to a least where unsubscribe works? -- Stas On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 22 jul 2008, at 18:04, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > >> I may have missed even more stuff. But I am going to suggest that >> we have >> IETF-Attendees list (this list) for relevant IETF news and IETF- >> chitchat for >> the rest. Is that an idea? :-) > > And history repeats itself: these lists were created to syphon the > chit chat off of the ietf@ietf list... > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Stanislav Shalunov BitTorrent Inc personal: http://shlang.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 12:16:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E33A68CB; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53ED3A68CB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.csc.fi (smtp1.csc.fi [193.166.3.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027E93A6965 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap2.csc.fi (imap2.csc.fi [193.166.7.57]) by smtp1.csc.fi (MAILSERVER) with ESMTP id m6MJoxvk024174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:50:59 +0300 Received: from myrsky.csc.fi (myrsky.csc.fi [193.166.7.58]) (authenticated as psavola) by imap2.csc.fi (MAILSERVER) with ESMTP id m6MJoxTu030121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:50:59 +0300 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:50:59 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CanItPRO-Stream: 00_Opt_Out (inherits from default) Subject: [72attendees] golf at citywest? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, The hotel/resort has a couple of golf courses. Those interested in or intending to fit in a round, drop me a note *off-list* if you would be interested finding other ietf'ers to share the experience. Please indicate your available/interested time(s) and HCP. (Personally, I'm arriving on Sat and I'm considering Sat and/or Sunday.) If there are more than a handful of responses I'll create a Cc: list of people so folks can find others with suitable schedules better. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Friday 18 July 2008 17:44:01 ext Hugo Salgado, you wrote: > Hi. I wonder if there will be any "cacert assurer" in the > meeting? I will be there. -- = R=E9mi Denis-Courmont Maemo Software, Nokia Devices R&D _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 06:37:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFB63A67D9; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8183A67D9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zA8iPRh1KZwe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wes.hardakers.net (dcn236-43.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.236.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6CB3A6784 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wes.hardakers.net (wlap.dyn.hardakers.net [127.0.0.1]) by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BFF399BDB; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=hardakers.net; h=from:to :cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version: content-type; s=wesmail; bh=CNBjhqFAb22IPSuLiR988aJ2Acc=; b=c7zH VXSJx/sj4SFo6xv83GKMYkwbz6ecSTMyBqkonI1L3V1wAqk5eBiPw59w+EDqLsfB 8fSSgBy3NFEW6W6mVaJEw3DlKLejXve/iYpwGQhVxM8R+UotLRxK20HIAfOrTubS +m67Oynb13VZ2dYBmMvoWRDxJZSjOYDihEi3xj0= Received: by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix, from userid 274) id 6C83C399BDC; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Organization: Sparta References: <1216395106.3807.14.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <4884D190.6090207@cs.tcd.ie> <11294D2E-5695-4574-94FE-49D599AE5F0E@ca.afilias.info> <005201c8ec14$994a17d0$cbde4770$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Iljitsch van Beijnum's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:54 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.4.21 (linux, no MULE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin -- one more thing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:54 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum said: IvB> And history repeats itself: these lists were created to syphon the IvB> chit chat off of the ietf@ietf list... It's a new dead horse every 4 months. That's much better than beating a very old pre-beat-up horse. -- Wes Hardaker Sparta, Inc. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 07:17:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22693A689B; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406AE3A689B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCkzUr7l3owo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD2A3A681E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6NEI5Z8085272 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from weiler+ietf@watson.org) Received: from localhost (weiler@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m6NEI59M085268 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from weiler+ietf@watson.org) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: weiler owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Samuel Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@fledge.watson.org To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [72attendees] Anyone need a room? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have a reservation at the Citywest hotel that I don't need. I'm not sure if I can transfer it or not, but I'm willing to try. Let me know if you need one? -- Sam _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 07:40:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBEF3A69A7; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4EC3A696F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.448, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ORCYl+bjcxID for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp181.sat.emailsrvr.com (smtp181.sat.emailsrvr.com [66.216.121.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747D43A68CD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 45ACA1C0B2A; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id D63471B92DE; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:41:16 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samuel Weiler References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Anyone need a room? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1231010441==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1231010441== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080106050900000001050702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080106050900000001050702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Samuel Weiler wrote: > I have a reservation at the Citywest hotel that I don't need. I'm not > sure if I can transfer it or not, but I'm willing to try. 1. There are rooms still available at Citywest - Reservations: +(00) 353 1 401 0418 2. Cancellations: According to the contract individuals can cancel a reservation without penalty until 3 days prior to check in/arrival. In case of cancellation less than 3 days prior to event or non-arrival or no-show, the Hotel may charge up to one nights stay as cancellation fee. 3. Early Departure Fee: An early departure fee of 50.00 EUR will be applied to all rooms that do not notify the front desk within 24 hours of an early check out. Hotel will confirm with guest at the time of their check in the scheduled departure date. 4. Rate Period: The IETF rate will be honored 3 days prior and 3 days after the event. 5. Guest Name Substitution: Names may be substituted for reserved rooms without penalty up to 14 days prior to the event. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/72-hotels.html Ray > Let me know if you need one? > > -- Sam > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > --------------080106050900000001050702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Samuel Weiler wrote:
I have a reservation at the Citywest hotel that I don't need.  I'm not sure if I can transfer it or not, but I'm willing to try.
1. There are rooms still available at Citywest - Reservations: +(00) 353 1 401 0418
2. Cancellations: According to the contract individuals can cancel a reservation without penalty until 3 days prior to check in/arrival.  In case of cancellation less than 3 days prior to event or non-arrival or no-show, the Hotel may charge up to one nights stay as cancellation fee.
3. Early Departure Fee: An early departure fee of 50.00 EUR will be applied to all rooms that do not notify the front desk within 24 hours of an early check out. Hotel will confirm with guest at the time of their check in the scheduled departure date.
4. Rate Period: The IETF rate will be honored 3 days prior and 3 days after the event.
5. Guest Name Substitution: Names may be substituted for reserved rooms without penalty up to 14 days prior to the event.

http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/72-hotels.html

Ray

  Let me know if you need one?

-- Sam
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--------------080106050900000001050702-- --===============1231010441== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1231010441==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 07:52:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900383A69DA; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96943A6881 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fOFfCnmPe1SA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from afribone.trstech.net (isc.trstech.net [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:1::23:2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA8A3A69DA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [41.207.171.165] by afribone.trstech.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLfN4-0002tu-FT for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:31:25 +0000 Message-Id: From: alain aina To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:52:40 +0000 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 41.207.171.165 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: aalain@afribone.trstech.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:52 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on afribone.trstech.net) Subject: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org hi all, I have to cancel my trip to dublin as after 3 weeks, there is no information about my visa application sent to dublin. I thought the event organizers have talked to the immigration service as i don't really think one can really live without passport for 6 to 7 weeks as needed by the immigration service to process visa applications. thanks --alain _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 07:56:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E0728C0DB; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:56:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699273A698B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YB+-nKwnDMiu for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1336709065==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 08:00:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B89A3A6AEF; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862CE3A6B12 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NbG16MA1b2Fc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE9A3A6AFC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1990107wfd.31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PxCTbxUHRXvntxhSMJuAMgFZzJat5wFgV5mEEo3TqPw=; b=a9aqZsL4BNEW05Bj4zg+OW9KSgAMFHSK7av2O8NCu8g26wJoOSARvUgDhYpocwBn3i 4mWXp3MekyeL6OTirTUYPJWVWZcqPkz52FmNdGXZRwUIzCZ20KK8M5InziA7Ko4nP3dW +RnRA/K3jn5Sjjljr2bRLEq9M2s4NX5HaqKUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=P4cmrmVoGZjEKIx8C5myrsFgHdiwLhfAV00QNw40sU/hsiCoxeOP4U7xI/z2fIx00U kEYPNTJnqs5jvLahy8C/F26hnXNqfXZcEt4vdjLTTtEq2Wo7Djh6SPXkFToaKx/2WGYm wP2rpm80WoLzJ1SwTr8kgES5UP1+cRUyczH0o= Received: by 10.142.177.5 with SMTP id z5mr31561wfe.255.1216825251479; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.141.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:00:51 -0700 From: "Vijay Devarapalli" To: "alain aina" , rpelletier@isoc.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alain, You should check with them on the status. I was told it would take 6 weeks, but got it in little over two weeks. Another person I know was told it would take 4 more weeks, but when he called up and spoke to them, they speeded up the process and sent it back sooner. Ray, I think we should avoid any country that takes more than 2 weeks for issuing a visa in the future. Being without the passport for more than 2 weeks, especially when you are not residing in your home country, is not a option for most people. Vijay On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:52 AM, alain aina wrote: > hi all, > > I have to cancel my trip to dublin as after 3 weeks, there is no information > about my visa application sent to dublin. I thought the event organizers > have talked to the immigration service as i don't really think one can > really live without passport for 6 to 7 weeks as needed by the immigration > service to process visa applications. > > > thanks > > --alain > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 09:17:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2B63A69F4; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BFF3A6A09 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrlX+4-uAVid for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4DC3A698B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,239,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="130558676" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 16:18:26 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6NGIQsi012930 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:18:26 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.32.240.194]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NGIPck014828 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:18:25 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:18:25 -0700 Message-ID: <07fe01c8ecdf$bc4b4210$c2f0200a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjs37vk1RO7QWdYRLqNptneNy59Gw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=160; t=1216829906; x=1217693906; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20taxi=20sharing=20during=20the=20week |Sender:=20; bh=pjej6BOLnGhlKPjEIOzz3LfYblq89N7tD79L75xvdb0=; b=PQmXVqu8zOjr/+rz5nLxSrO9lW2dSx0V5M+Vx4zQyIhtaJriAIc6SacrKx Bs1qduaRoeDpAB7/3ZBNY3H5Ubk5wHRyB9zHx3avvGWnZS/SHb7Tofu1L0Tf nPzAfpX3QS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] taxi sharing during the week X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I am staying in Dublin. Is anyone interested in sharing morning taxi rides? I will be catching a taxi at College Green (just west of Trinity College). -d _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 09:28:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2513D3A6A5E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACD83A6A58 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.337 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.337 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.662, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDeJrQOh+JKO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075AE3A635F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:27:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=hardie@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1216830520; x=1248366520; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to: from:subject:cc:content-type:x-ironport-av; z=MIME-Version:=201.0|Message-ID:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|References:=20<20080 723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org>=0D=0A=20<4887430C.507 00@isoc.org>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20|Date:=20Wed,=2023=20Jul=20200 8=2009:28:35=20-0700|To:=20Vijay=20Devarapalli=20|From:=20Ted=20Hardie=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[72attendees]=20Visa=20issue|CC:=20"72a ttendees@ietf.org"=20<72attendees@ietf.org>|Content-Type: =20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"|X-IronPort-AV:=20 E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5344"=3B=20a=3D"4988015"; bh=J/3kzmsSoZtcmeSYzS0nSWMH8ZONDxJR91HUjx7/UlI=; b=watSIwrtpEKZ/DrVuwsR2oh7ZalXQwkptY3kbeaN8piai214S+Ztbj2O j0nI0IfAk/XgvBP+r9oIiyS9lTMEzaR+UDXSF55iLtn/xNU6FtvRCwBhD eKBEtrpAMFXxgEt5qbwX9fwM2wbe14MA2airdnhtQOHWj5peLBWPPRqFo I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5344"; a="4988015" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 23 Jul 2008 09:28:38 -0700 Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6NGScYo016552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:28:38 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com (nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com [172.30.33.34]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6NGSb3Z012645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.226.27] (129.46.226.27) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.33.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:28:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:28:35 -0700 To: Vijay Devarapalli From: Ted Hardie Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 8:00 AM -0700 7/23/08, Vijay Devarapalli wrote: > >Ray, I think we should avoid any country that takes more than 2 weeks >for issuing a visa in the future. The problem is "2 weeks for" whom? Almost every country has one or two countries for which visa processing takes longer, and for citizens of some countries the degree of travel freedom is quite low. Let's say you're Egyptian and you want the IETF to make it easy for you to attend. There are 33 countries where you have visa-free access or short-term visas can be got at ports of entry. Here's a list (gacked from Yahoo Answers): Africa -Ghana Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days - Guinea Visa not required (every visitor staying longer than 3 months is considered alien resident) -Kenya Visa required, 3 month visa available on arrival for USD 50 -Madagascar Visa required, 90-day visa can be obtained on arrival for MGA 140,000 -Sudan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month -Togo Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for max. 7 days (passport of passenger will be confiscated ; next day passenger has to collect passport and visa at the police station) -Uganda Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival (fees : USD 50 for single entry / USD 100 for multiple entries with 6-month validity / USD 200 for multiple entries with 1-year validity) -Zambia Visa required, which can be issued on arrival for period of stay (fee : USD 25 for single entry / USD 40 for double entry / USD 80 for multiple entry) -Zimbabwe A 3-month holiday or 30-day business visa can be obtained on arrival (fee : between USD 30 and USD 55 depending on the type of visa and number of permitted entries) Americas -Dominica Visa not required for stay of max. 21 days -Grenada Visa not required for stay of max. 14 days provided continuing to a third country -Haiti Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months -Saint Kitts and Nevis Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months -Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Visa not required for a max. stay of 1 month Asia -Cambodia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days (fee : USD 20) -Hong Kong Visa not required for stay of max. 3 months -Indonesia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 30 days (fee : USD 25) -Jordan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month -South Korea Visa not required for a touristic stay of max. 30 days -Laos Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 15 days -Macau Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days -Maldives Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days -Malaysia Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months -Nepal Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 150 days (fee : USD 80) -Syria Visa not required -Timor-Leste Entry Permit can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days (fee: USD 30) -Yemen Visa can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 3 months (free of charge) (Note : Visitors must arrive from Egypt. Otherwise, entry will be denied.) Oceania -Cook Islands Visa not required for a stay of up to 21 days -Federated States of Micronesia Visa not required for a stay of max. 30 days, provided coming for touristic or visitor purposes --Niue Visa not required for a stay up to 30 days - Palau Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 30 days -Samoa Visa not required if holding a visitor's permit, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 60 days -Tuvalu Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. one month We can hold all our Asia meetings in Hong Kong (good dim sum) or Macau (ooh, gambling), but the North American and European meetings are going to be a problem. The bottom line is that we can expect the secretariat to help make this easy by making early letters of invitation available (which they have done). We can't expect them to fix travel freedom problems generally, or limit the IETF to meeting in places for which it is easy for everyone to get visas--the reality of the world is that this would be the null set. My personal opinion, mind you, spoken with no hats on, Ted _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:33:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C373A682A; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978113A682A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y7FQaAmi8k4b for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from afribone.trstech.net (isc.trstech.net [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:1::23:2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84993A6825 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [41.207.171.165] by afribone.trstech.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLhsT-00044J-6L; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:12:14 +0000 Message-Id: <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> From: alain aina To: Ted Hardie In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:33:09 +0000 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 41.207.171.165 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: aalain@afribone.trstech.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:52 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on afribone.trstech.net) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 23, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > At 8:00 AM -0700 7/23/08, Vijay Devarapalli wrote: >> >> Ray, I think we should avoid any country that takes more than 2 weeks >> for issuing a visa in the future. > > > The problem is "2 weeks for" whom? Almost every country has one > or two countries for which visa processing takes longer, and for > citizens > of some countries the degree of travel freedom is quite low. > Let's > say you're Egyptian and you want the IETF to make it easy for you > to attend. There are 33 countries where you have visa-free access > or short-term visas can be got at ports of entry. Here's a list > (gacked from Yahoo Answers): > your example is well taken, but nobody is asking for visa-free access or short-term visa at entry ports. --alain > Africa > > -Ghana Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > - Guinea Visa not required (every visitor staying longer than 3 > months is considered alien resident) > -Kenya Visa required, 3 month visa available on arrival for USD 50 > -Madagascar Visa required, 90-day visa can be obtained on arrival > for MGA 140,000 > -Sudan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > -Togo Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for max. 7 > days (passport of passenger will be confiscated ; next day passenger > has to collect passport and visa at the police station) > -Uganda Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival (fees : USD > 50 for single entry / USD 100 for multiple entries with 6-month > validity / USD 200 for multiple entries with 1-year validity) > -Zambia Visa required, which can be issued on arrival for period of > stay (fee : USD 25 for single entry / USD 40 for double entry / USD > 80 for multiple entry) > -Zimbabwe A 3-month holiday or 30-day business visa can be obtained > on arrival (fee : between USD 30 and USD 55 depending on the type of > visa and number of permitted entries) > > Americas > > -Dominica Visa not required for stay of max. 21 days > -Grenada Visa not required for stay of max. 14 days provided > continuing to a third country > -Haiti Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Saint Kitts and Nevis Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Visa not required for a max. stay > of 1 month > > Asia > > -Cambodia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days > (fee : USD 20) > -Hong Kong Visa not required for stay of max. 3 months > -Indonesia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 30 days > (fee : USD 25) > -Jordan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > -South Korea Visa not required for a touristic stay of max. 30 days > -Laos Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 15 days > -Macau Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > -Maldives Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a max. > stay of 30 days > -Malaysia Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Nepal Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 150 days (fee : > USD 80) > -Syria Visa not required > -Timor-Leste Entry Permit can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay > of 30 days (fee: USD 30) > -Yemen Visa can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 3 months > (free of charge) (Note : Visitors must arrive from Egypt. Otherwise, > entry will be denied.) > > Oceania > > -Cook Islands Visa not required for a stay of up to 21 days > -Federated States of Micronesia Visa not required for a stay of max. > 30 days, provided coming for touristic or visitor purposes > --Niue Visa not required for a stay up to 30 days > - Palau Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay > of max. 30 days > -Samoa Visa not required if holding a visitor's permit, which can be > obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 60 days > -Tuvalu Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay > of max. one month > > We can hold all our Asia meetings in Hong Kong (good dim sum) or > Macau (ooh, gambling), but the North > American and European meetings are going to be a problem. > > The bottom line is that we can expect the secretariat to help make > this easy by making early letters > of invitation available (which they have done). We can't expect > them to fix travel freedom problems generally, > or limit the IETF to meeting in places for which it is easy for > everyone to get visas--the reality of the > world is that this would be the null set. > > My personal opinion, mind you, spoken with no hats on, > Ted > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:43:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B343A6AFE; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772063A6AF3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RldVN89nH+85 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E72C3A691A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tUNZ1Z0041HpZEsA4Vk5Z6; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:44:05 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.128.66.199]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tVk31Z0034HwxpC8aVk4Ft; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:44:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=KXCNndixTeGd0t0MqCIA:9 a=xXryoMRwoKSk4uLYfx4A:9 a=HMMRJZkf2SGtMKlTK9kA:7 a=zdM1_7ELoG0N6hBTFGRmvsoSWS8A:4 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'alain aina'" , "'Ted Hardie'" References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c8eceb$b37aac50$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> Thread-Index: Acjs6lOmRqrjnFAKSYivannSvVFNOQAAK9yA Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think we need to send a letter to all countries saying "can't we all just get along?" Until all countries decide they can trust all other countries, then the visa problem will probably continue to exist and to keep changing, and the IETF cannot expect to resolve it. If we try to work around this by choosing which places to hold meetings based on their visa policies, we will inadvertently bias the ability of individuals to attend IETF meetings and contribute to IETF standards. I think the current team is doing an admirable job of trying to keep things balanced, and working with individuals and governments to minimize the problems when they are encountered. Legislation is not the answer to every problem. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of alain aina > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:33 PM > To: Ted Hardie > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue > > > On Jul 23, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > > > At 8:00 AM -0700 7/23/08, Vijay Devarapalli wrote: > >> > >> Ray, I think we should avoid any country that takes more > than 2 weeks > >> for issuing a visa in the future. > > > > > > The problem is "2 weeks for" whom? Almost every country has one > > or two countries for which visa processing takes longer, and for > > citizens > > of some countries the degree of travel freedom is quite low. > > Let's > > say you're Egyptian and you want the IETF to make it easy for you > > to attend. There are 33 countries where you have visa-free access > > or short-term visas can be got at ports of entry. Here's a list > > (gacked from Yahoo Answers): > > > > > your example is well taken, but nobody is asking for > visa-free access > or short-term visa at entry ports. > > --alain > > > Africa > > > > -Ghana Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > > - Guinea Visa not required (every visitor staying longer than 3 > > months is considered alien resident) > > -Kenya Visa required, 3 month visa available on arrival for USD 50 > > -Madagascar Visa required, 90-day visa can be obtained on arrival > > for MGA 140,000 > > -Sudan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > > -Togo Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for max. 7 > > days (passport of passenger will be confiscated ; next day > passenger > > has to collect passport and visa at the police station) > > -Uganda Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival > (fees : USD > > 50 for single entry / USD 100 for multiple entries with 6-month > > validity / USD 200 for multiple entries with 1-year validity) > > -Zambia Visa required, which can be issued on arrival for > period of > > stay (fee : USD 25 for single entry / USD 40 for double > entry / USD > > 80 for multiple entry) > > -Zimbabwe A 3-month holiday or 30-day business visa can be > obtained > > on arrival (fee : between USD 30 and USD 55 depending on > the type of > > visa and number of permitted entries) > > > > Americas > > > > -Dominica Visa not required for stay of max. 21 days > > -Grenada Visa not required for stay of max. 14 days provided > > continuing to a third country > > -Haiti Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > > -Saint Kitts and Nevis Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > > -Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Visa not required for a > max. stay > > of 1 month > > > > Asia > > > > -Cambodia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay > of 30 days > > (fee : USD 20) > > -Hong Kong Visa not required for stay of max. 3 months > > -Indonesia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 30 days > > (fee : USD 25) > > -Jordan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > > -South Korea Visa not required for a touristic stay of max. 30 days > > -Laos Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 15 days > > -Macau Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > > -Maldives Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival > for a max. > > stay of 30 days > > -Malaysia Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > > -Nepal Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 150 > days (fee : > > USD 80) > > -Syria Visa not required > > -Timor-Leste Entry Permit can be obtained on arrival for a > max. stay > > of 30 days (fee: USD 30) > > -Yemen Visa can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 3 months > > (free of charge) (Note : Visitors must arrive from Egypt. > Otherwise, > > entry will be denied.) > > > > Oceania > > > > -Cook Islands Visa not required for a stay of up to 21 days > > -Federated States of Micronesia Visa not required for a > stay of max. > > 30 days, provided coming for touristic or visitor purposes > > --Niue Visa not required for a stay up to 30 days > > - Palau Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay > > of max. 30 days > > -Samoa Visa not required if holding a visitor's permit, > which can be > > obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 60 days > > -Tuvalu Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay > > of max. one month > > > > We can hold all our Asia meetings in Hong Kong (good dim sum) or > > Macau (ooh, gambling), but the North > > American and European meetings are going to be a problem. > > > > The bottom line is that we can expect the secretariat to help make > > this easy by making early letters > > of invitation available (which they have done). We can't expect > > them to fix travel freedom problems generally, > > or limit the IETF to meeting in places for which it is easy for > > everyone to get visas--the reality of the > > world is that this would be the null set. > > > > My personal opinion, mind you, spoken with no hats on, > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:45:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE47A28C16E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA523A6AFD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gFBYPudhHrez for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F51D3A6907 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2050090wfd.31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=71gU7mWRJCNe+tZQWNNscHsNs3+iDtQu2bqAWCYyon4=; b=sbW/MLsz5EvUdFBSN+xuV3ahvMOv8eXJH6CHteQEO0uxl7H3MtrcnEpFYWrgHDN0Uk L6hvPmFB5w8Gfrd0zFSy49ZdVdcA/3Vm7Qi7niE0peJQL+Khgo7zpyHWNksJISbGQWA2 NscTb9hCjHy8FJ6Rz//zBQkOYdiladHpA/Tq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OcALcM7PWb/M4dvmpZI7HYFggYU+ypyGLRhRyT4Z047tisoqLOO3gIBsq/7+iaOj4a cHU0Q28X7F1McmAkBEAJvC4RX+LN5BSviKRciYGIRTT4gfBzxHOVo9ppKXE5Hgh292LH UNRvV9gCOpUIyksI/6s0R3yDPbQTwLk7R3g70= Received: by 10.142.177.7 with SMTP id z7mr10814wfe.249.1216835200857; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.141.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:46:40 -0700 From: "Vijay Devarapalli" To: "Ted Hardie" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ted, I am talking about the average visa processing times. Many countries process the visa the same day. You go to the consulate and you come out with a visa by the evening. Some countries like China, Japan take 2-3 days. Most European countries takes at most one week for processing a visa. There will always be some exceptions. There might someone that might trigger an extra security check or something like. That could take many weeks, if not months. The situation with Ireland is kind of dumb. They say the processing time is 6 weeks for processing a visa. Mexico is another example. Takes more than month. I am suggesting we avoid such countries. Again I am talking about the average time for processing a visa. Not for exceptions. Your email sounds more like a rant. Vijay On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: > At 8:00 AM -0700 7/23/08, Vijay Devarapalli wrote: >> >>Ray, I think we should avoid any country that takes more than 2 weeks >>for issuing a visa in the future. > > > The problem is "2 weeks for" whom? Almost every country has one > or two countries for which visa processing takes longer, and for citizens > of some countries the degree of travel freedom is quite low. Let's > say you're Egyptian and you want the IETF to make it easy for you > to attend. There are 33 countries where you have visa-free access > or short-term visas can be got at ports of entry. Here's a list > (gacked from Yahoo Answers): > > Africa > > -Ghana Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > - Guinea Visa not required (every visitor staying longer than 3 months is considered alien resident) > -Kenya Visa required, 3 month visa available on arrival for USD 50 > -Madagascar Visa required, 90-day visa can be obtained on arrival for MGA 140,000 > -Sudan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > -Togo Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for max. 7 days (passport of passenger will be confiscated ; next day passenger has to collect passport and visa at the police station) > -Uganda Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival (fees : USD 50 for single entry / USD 100 for multiple entries with 6-month validity / USD 200 for multiple entries with 1-year validity) > -Zambia Visa required, which can be issued on arrival for period of stay (fee : USD 25 for single entry / USD 40 for double entry / USD 80 for multiple entry) > -Zimbabwe A 3-month holiday or 30-day business visa can be obtained on arrival (fee : between USD 30 and USD 55 depending on the type of visa and number of permitted entries) > > Americas > > -Dominica Visa not required for stay of max. 21 days > -Grenada Visa not required for stay of max. 14 days provided continuing to a third country > -Haiti Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Saint Kitts and Nevis Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Visa not required for a max. stay of 1 month > > Asia > > -Cambodia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days (fee : USD 20) > -Hong Kong Visa not required for stay of max. 3 months > -Indonesia Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 30 days (fee : USD 25) > -Jordan Visa not required for a stay of max. 1 month > -South Korea Visa not required for a touristic stay of max. 30 days > -Laos Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 15 days > -Macau Visa not required for a stay of max. 90 days > -Maldives Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days > -Malaysia Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months > -Nepal Visa can be obtained on arrival for a max. of 150 days (fee : USD 80) > -Syria Visa not required > -Timor-Leste Entry Permit can be obtained on arrival for a max. stay of 30 days (fee: USD 30) > -Yemen Visa can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 3 months (free of charge) (Note : Visitors must arrive from Egypt. Otherwise, entry will be denied.) > > Oceania > > -Cook Islands Visa not required for a stay of up to 21 days > -Federated States of Micronesia Visa not required for a stay of max. 30 days, provided coming for touristic or visitor purposes > --Niue Visa not required for a stay up to 30 days > - Palau Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 30 days > -Samoa Visa not required if holding a visitor's permit, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. 60 days > -Tuvalu Visa required, which can be obtained on arrival for a stay of max. one month > > We can hold all our Asia meetings in Hong Kong (good dim sum) or Macau (ooh, gambling), but the North > American and European meetings are going to be a problem. > > The bottom line is that we can expect the secretariat to help make this easy by making early letters > of invitation available (which they have done). We can't expect them to fix travel freedom problems generally, > or limit the IETF to meeting in places for which it is easy for everyone to get visas--the reality of the > world is that this would be the null set. > > My personal opinion, mind you, spoken with no hats on, > Ted > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:47:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE813A68B5; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:47:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447B73A6405 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.885 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.885 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.286, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qcz3GfcaOZRN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F893A6887 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2051080wfd.31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rYmeIWDxQcfJ5JVLY8CrYJusTsmlSpA1Gds7UjB93L0=; b=bXDrW1owS3hOR+WuIPs+cb0eZB5N8wXleVn4kgwp+ruA6vhcS7YbaHnPDOtIOdDXuT 3W9lgzN09W1jvgcrpSsvFztxAyIF0k/4wdpNFi+0swD0UHWsKUcTZXRQkpcfigR2MKkz KXiojst0sup82OWOkSkIvhdsqUE70rD81L/rU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EB7nKbJ4hVX5hSqGnTTrAJeFKmy887DiBkNi3grAErVf3FBd/GcrAmzDkcAMQCXuSx WgGz8w5C3WG94p9SlxAHvwWwSYjPo/TBbHaYmvPHZHipQlNW7pXcvs+k2cWwBiaR4eJz Z3ZVs8e3OfymZl/ocsSxipX0FpdxXZ7ChPEqk= Received: by 10.142.156.19 with SMTP id d19mr10530wfe.261.1216835319444; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.141.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0700 From: "Vijay Devarapalli" To: "David B Harrington" In-Reply-To: <002701c8eceb$b37aac50$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <002701c8eceb$b37aac50$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:44 AM, David B Harrington wrote: > If we try to work around this by choosing which places to hold > meetings based on their visa policies, we will inadvertently bias the > ability of individuals to attend IETF meetings and contribute to IETF > standards. > > I think the current team is doing an admirable job of trying to keep > things balanced, and working with individuals and governments to > minimize the problems when they are encountered. > > Legislation is not the answer to every problem. Of course. We should at least take into consideration, how long it takes them to issue a visa on an average. 6 weeks is just too long. I don't think there are more than a handful of countries that take longer than 2 weeks. Vijay _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 10:59:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDED128C0D0; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54273A6886 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.662 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.937, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3y9Pl50qKxr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0924D3A6AFE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=hardie@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1216835987; x=1248371987; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to: from:subject:cc:content-type:x-ironport-av; z=MIME-Version:=201.0|Message-ID:=20|In-Reply-To:=20<9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F -0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net>|References:=20<20080723101733. N80523@fledge.watson.org>=0D=0A=20<4887430C.50700@isoc.or g>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trs tech.net>|Date:=20Wed,=2023=20Jul=202008=2010:59:19=20-07 00|To:=20alain=20aina=20|From:=20Ted =20Hardie=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[72att endees]=20Visa=20issue|CC:=20Vijay=20Devarapalli=20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20"72attendees@i etf.org"=0D=0A=09<72attendees@ietf.org>|Content-Type:=20t ext/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3D McAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5345"=3B=20a=3D"4821413"; bh=eAbGf3Tr+mC4c+XubylZ3R89aQ251NiDfOm8+99H+aQ=; b=PpEdU5SUAtw8SY5vykEF5c03gsLFVEla4WudxdXNJZse0PyP35pFKxje gjhA3E7dWRyqVD9UO9GFvu/kAzDoa6t5xPkLp+ZA/gXv82MuDIJdBM9LB zcNovysKusCnzytSTmv6AxxZRy378EdcJhDXl1/UiFaicIRZPBa4BPSel E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5345"; a="4821413" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO ithilien.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 23 Jul 2008 10:59:22 -0700 Received: from msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (msgtransport03.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.154]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6NHxMMC028762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:22 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com (nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com [172.30.33.34]) by msgtransport03.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6NHxL9K023478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:21 -0700 Received: from [129.46.226.27] (129.46.226.27) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.33.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 To: alain aina From: Ted Hardie Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 10:33 AM -0700 7/23/08, alain aina wrote: > > > >your example is well taken, but nobody is asking for visa-free access >or short-term visa at entry ports. > >--alain Well, I guess my point wasn't that clear then. Sorry about that. What I'm trying to get across is that there is no way for the Secretariat to reasonably guarantee any maximum time for visa processing. There is simply too much variability in how any specific nation will provide access to visas to the citizens of other nations. Visa access for citizens of nations historically believed to be poorer than the destination country has been harder essentially since the invention of the passport; we can't fix that and the secretariat can't guarantee timings for everyone who might want to come as a result. The data on visa free access was a proxy for data on visa application timing (since that has much more variability; "visa free" is essentially the only way to get a guarantee of timing, at least as much as I understand it). We should focus on what we can do: get the destinations set early, get the invitation letter issuance done early and well, and make sure that there are reasonable resources on our end to support enquiries (and hosts can be a *big* help here). I think this has gotten better, and I am happy that there is continued effort here. We can and should make sure that there are not unreasonable restrictions on travel for our constituents. I have favored Canada over the U.S. as a North American destination for some time for this reason, but with considerable personal sadness. But let's not bind burden's like "2 week maximum" to the neck of the IAD, okay? It's not something Ray or anyone else can guarantee. Again, my personal 2 cents, Ted _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 11:09:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297873A6B01; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CDF3A6AFF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gguDJN6AwqR0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581683A6AE2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [70.213.175.29] (29.sub-70-213-175.myvzw.com [70.213.175.29]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NIADDZ022137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:46 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Hardie References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Ted (et al.,) I do see a few valid points here: - some places have more arcane or tedious visa procedures - issuing a visa may take too long to be feasible for those who have frequent international travel, surrendering a passport for more than 2 weeks might be considered prohibitive Although we all appreciate that meeting coordination is a multi-party optimization problem, and that neither of the above can be determined absolutely in advance, when either of the above is likely to impact a large number of attendees, it is probably worth considering other locations. This sort of consideration is no different from not finding enough hotel rooms or not finding big enough plenary spaces, except that visa issuance and timing is a bit more of a slippery slope than a go/no-go test. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiHc+oACgkQE5f5cImnZrtf6ACdEB4SS+QCJwD+aDKjoKJYnQYr h2cAn3c9CbDlQBCmCnvywjQ0izaptJn9 =x7qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 11:20:47 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C238F3A6918; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22E63A691A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4+zxho6tvdp for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985553A6886 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,239,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15193565" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 18:21:25 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6NILPDk029946; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:21:25 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NILP3d023922; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:21:25 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-96-91.cisco.com [10.61.96.91]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6NILMt21636; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:21:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807231821.m6NILMt21636@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:21:16 +0100 To: Ted Hardie , alain aina From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=297; t=1216837285; x=1217701285; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Visa=20issue |Sender:=20; bh=QvJaccFhYoM4bYzMjp7xztiZ0FAjt0TgXEhGxt7CHvs=; b=T+CR50YtDL9iCKQ4gD7C4tD6KFPuZEi/7cg6JwHGvAjjCqPkQW2ICXuw5b n9enXx6gPHNAQ+LpgTqNXF8dQ54KPHOF5nwXNQhg20KPS1G6Nbxz2hCln9wU sQfaC026mL; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Wednesday 23/07/2008 10:59 -0700, Ted Hardie wrote: >Visa access for citizens >of nations historically believed to be poorer than the destination >country has been harder essentially since the invention of the passport; How far does the US economy have to crash to make US entry easier? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 11:43:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D003A6A4D; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7513A6A4D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aYI1iduvs4rd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9363A67D6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,239,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15226401" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 18:44:33 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6NIiYG9001702 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:44:34 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NIiYW8010877 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:44:34 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-212.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.111]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:44:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <42591A81B59EA14BAA617596482F65CE0559834D@xmb-rtp-212.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4880CF07.6050405@sensinode.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? Thread-Index: Acjo+aDrSLSgIQx8T5ilijErrm831QD+j+Gw From: "David Smith (dasmith)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2008 18:44:33.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[263F7F10:01C8ECF4] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=114; t=1216838674; x=1217702674; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dasmith@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22David=20Smith=20(dasmith)=22=20 |Subject:=20=20[72attendees]=20Extra=20Social=20Tickets? |Sender:=20 |To:=20<72attendees@ietf.org>; bh=A59EtwM+kaOl5CKe/FOEgAbZv055JptJeD0+tyhMp4A=; b=gdnEqE/pEV7pl8QBvyVJ4qOB1WYkbnSw+jvmGNNBZ/KoBkt+pwN287oW9r gpHrP/vvgJwDNOQZ1BCO8f7BXhiWkUClPavIOXQessjVtQkr/PUh10aKJ66v UjXqUoPFmQ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=dasmith@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm interested in 2 social tickets if anyone has extras. If so, please unicast me. Thanks, /dave _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 13:07:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7D23A685E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4113A685E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjlFqbR3Ut5X for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.helsinki.fi (courier.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641A03A6809 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbz-30.cs.helsinki.fi (sbz-30.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.98]) (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.cs.helsinki.fi with esmtp; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:07:58 +0300 id 00087BD3.48878F9E.00007EF3 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:07:58 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka MJ Manner To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] golf at citywest? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I also thought about taking my clubs, but does anyone know, if there are tee times available at all next week or on Sunday? Some courses are fully booked for weeks this time of the year. Any info on the green fees? Even if the courses are booked, I could spend some time on the practise range, between sessions, provided it is close by the hotel? Cheers, Jukka On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Pekka Savola wrote: > Hi, > > The hotel/resort has a couple of golf courses. Those interested in or > intending to fit in a round, drop me a note *off-list* if you would be > interested finding other ietf'ers to share the experience. Please indicate > your available/interested time(s) and HCP. > > (Personally, I'm arriving on Sat and I'm considering Sat and/or Sunday.) > > If there are more than a handful of responses I'll create a Cc: list of people > so folks can find others with suitable schedules better. > > Pekka > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 14:03:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E573A68D8; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CF13A68D8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:03:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.244 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI=-8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XDdayE07aFkn for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkny.pando.com (dkny.pando.com [67.99.55.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA0E3A6832 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dkny.pando.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE413E10BF9; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:03:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from dkny.pando.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dkny.pando.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QvopdYSFN+iX; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dkny.pando.com (dkny.pando.com [10.10.60.11]) by dkny.pando.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF262E10BDE; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Laird Popkin To: Lloyd Wood Message-ID: <372264353.53051216847017693.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> In-Reply-To: <200807231821.m6NILMt21636@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.10.20.79] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org We don't work that way. :-) - Laird Popkin, CTO, Pando Networks mobile: 646/465-0570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Wood" To: "Ted Hardie" , "alain aina" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:21:16 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue At Wednesday 23/07/2008 10:59 -0700, Ted Hardie wrote: >Visa access for citizens >of nations historically believed to be poorer than the destination >country has been harder essentially since the invention of the passport; How far does the US economy have to crash to make US entry easier? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 14:59:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96163A6784; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF123A6784 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI=-8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRITqC4YqBT8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkny.pando.com (dkny.pando.com [67.99.55.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1775A3A6781 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dkny.pando.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A662E10BF9; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from dkny.pando.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dkny.pando.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aGtiqq1gK9I1; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dkny.pando.com (dkny.pando.com [10.10.60.11]) by dkny.pando.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBEFE10C1B; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Laird Popkin To: John C Klensin Message-ID: <1541004107.53901216850384371.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> In-Reply-To: <222241011.53881216850246252.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.10.20.79] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wow, it's fantastic to hear from you! I will be in Dublin, and I would love to get together. I will be there from Monday until Thursday, and aside from the ALTO and TANA BOF's (on Tuesday and Thursday). What's the best way to contact you? Are you still working with the IETF and ICANN? - Laird Popkin, CTO, Pando Networks mobile: 646/465-0570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John C Klensin" To: "Laird Popkin" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:38:34 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue --On Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 17:03 -0400 Laird Popkin wrote: > We don't work that way. :-) > > - Laird Popkin, CTO, Pando Networks > mobile: 646/465-0570 Laird, Didn't realize you were following the IETF list. If you are actually coming to Dublin, please try to find me and say hello. I gave Lloyd a slightly different answer, offlist. It contained some snide comment about January 20... whether the economy got better or worse in between was largely irrelevant during the interim. :-( john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 15:13:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793213A6809; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6EF3A6809 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKYzBHPL6rLr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230343A6778 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,240,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15205726" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 22:12:46 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6NMCkdL008719; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:12:46 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NMCklf001389; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:12:46 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-96-91.cisco.com [10.61.96.91]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6NMCjt05216; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:12:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807232212.m6NMCjt05216@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:12:44 +0100 To: Laird Popkin , John C Klensin From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <1541004107.53901216850384371.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> References: <222241011.53881216850246252.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> <1541004107.53901216850384371.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=227; t=1216851166; x=1217715166; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Visa=20issue |Sender:=20; bh=VhqS7E2FiJsOSUcaw9GW1DHt7QbV5HfjriaYqSwCBa0=; b=vlDZ1YF6DU78vxBCMYFMpDmt4NEsDY2zynBXj6CKIJ5OeinwxvtvTf2Pa+ Nc1abFwY6o8OvIQWXBPwPcqYcg3LS0FSQbve/V2/lNjqV3qsvtMaaErkfugg HRke4nl7jr; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Wednesday 23/07/2008 17:59 -0400, Laird Popkin wrote: >I gave Lloyd a slightly different answer, offlist. It contained >some snide comment about January 20... ...which must be some US thing kind of like 23 August. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 19:45:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032BA3A69C9; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451503A69C9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.71 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id myHB1Fm-9Y1Y for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com (e33.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.151]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4973E3A69C5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6O2kXPh027178 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:46:33 -0400 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.0) with ESMTP id m6O2kXkU182776 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:46:33 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6O2kXQo030662 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:46:33 -0600 Received: from poplar (poplar.watson.ibm.com [9.2.24.140]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6O2kWXC030614 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:46:32 -0600 Received: from URANUS ([9.12.242.255]) by poplar.watson.ibm.com (IMF.2005.07.16.1050.haw) with SMTP ID IMFd1216867601.2680; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:46:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:46:30 -0400 From: Barry Leiba To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807232212.m6NMCjt05216@cisco.com> References: <222241011.53881216850246252.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> <1541004107.53901216850384371.JavaMail.root@dkny.pando.com> <200807232212.m6NMCjt05216@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> I gave Lloyd a slightly different answer, offlist. It contained >> some snide comment about January 20... > > ...which must be some US thing kind of like 23 August. Yes, some US thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inauguration_day 180 days to go.... Barry _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 22:28:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6863A687C; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2183A687C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9D5kpqOIEtNR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org For all those of us arriving at the Dublin Airport at 5AM (!?) on Saturday the 26th, let's share a cab and a stiff drink. - RL "Bob" _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 00:14:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6413A698B; 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Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:14:56 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: Joe Touch In-Reply-To: <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:14:49 +0200 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 23 jul 2008, at 20.09, Joe Touch wrote: > > - issuing a visa may take too long to be feasible > for those who have frequent international > travel, surrendering a passport for more than > 2 weeks might be considered prohibitive For this reason I have always got away with just leaving a copy of my passport during the processing time, and then hand in my passport or a day or overnight visa "insertion". Best regards, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 00:42:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB7D3A67A4; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86D73A6837 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:42:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vz-wuIw-bnre for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461E23A67A4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb] ([IPv6:2001:720:410:1001:21b:63ff:fe92:9fbb]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6O7gwpM054790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:42:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Kurt Erik Lindqvist In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:43:10 +0200 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24 jul 2008, at 9:14, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >> - issuing a visa may take too long to be feasible >> for those who have frequent international >> travel, surrendering a passport for more than >> 2 weeks might be considered prohibitive > For this reason I have always got away with just leaving a copy of > my passport during the processing time, and then hand in my passport > or a day or overnight visa "insertion". I hear that there are people who have two passports, so one can be used while the other is out for collecting visas. However, it seems that the US DHS pays special attention to travelers with new passports, and I imagine doubly so for those who have a "new" passport with every visit... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 01:20:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6463A69A7; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ABE3A6995 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBnTbTPcq7qy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com (mail153.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.51]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F8283A686C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1216887670!4540607!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 15805 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 08:21:10 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-10.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 08:21:10 -0000 Received: from il06exr01.mot.com (il06exr01.mot.com [129.188.137.131]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id m6O8LAD5003197 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from il06vts03.mot.com (il06vts03.mot.com [129.188.137.143]) by il06exr01.mot.com (8.13.5/Vontu) with SMTP id m6O8L9Yg019724 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zuk35exm62.ds.mot.com (zuk35exm62.ea.mot.com [10.178.4.14]) by il06exr01.mot.com (8.13.5/8.13.0) with ESMTP id m6O8L8An019701 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.161.201.117]) by zuk35exm62.ds.mot.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: <48883B73.5090909@motorola.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:21:07 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080721-0, 21/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 08:21:07.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[38B237B0:01C8ED66] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [72attendees] one ticket for social event available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have one ticket for the social event available. First-come-first-served. Alex _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 01:25:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F5C3A69A7; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809553A68B7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbgCmtdhNGsJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com (mail153.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.51]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 94D883A69A7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1216887998!10604586!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 355 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 08:26:38 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-13.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 08:26:38 -0000 Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id m6O8Qcp5004530 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:26:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from il06vts04.mot.com (il06vts04.mot.com [129.188.137.144]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/Vontu) with SMTP id m6O8QbC9015235 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:26:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zuk35exm62.ds.mot.com (zuk35exm62.ea.mot.com [10.178.4.14]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id m6O8QanM015227 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.161.201.117]) by zuk35exm62.ds.mot.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <48883CB8.4060502@motorola.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:26:32 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandru Petrescu References: <48883B73.5090909@motorola.com> In-Reply-To: <48883B73.5090909@motorola.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080721-0, 21/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 08:26:32.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA7E2FC0:01C8ED66] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] one ticket for social event available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Hi, I have one ticket for the social event available. > First-come-first-served. FYI, I just sent the receipt to the person where I received first the mail from. So it's no longer available. Alex > > Alex _______________________________________________ 72attendees > mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 01:41:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68FD3A69C0; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB82C3A68B7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QxjhtTUP8D16 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.sidn.nl (gw.sidn.nl [193.176.144.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF32F3A69C0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost.sidn.nl (TUNIX/Firewall Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05D2E3A9D9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:41:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gw.sidn.nl (TUNIX/Firewall Mail Server) with ESMTP for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:41:57 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Visa issue Thread-Index: AcjtYPeBCbg8v9SQT2+HdF8Qif9ghwAB1uFg References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org><4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> From: "Antoin Verschuren" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Iljitsch van Beijnum > > I hear that there are people who have two passports, so one can be > used while the other is out for collecting visas. Yes, regular travelers can have a second passport in some countries, the reason being that some countries refuse to give a visa if a visa from an enemy state is already in the passport. Having 2 passports permits you to travel the 2 enemy worlds.... Antoin _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 01:52:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844133A691D; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182103A691D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_EQ_STATICB=1.372, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oL-RmkHdR85g for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hitachihk13.hitachi.cn (static-ip-135-194-65-202.rev.dyxnet.com [202.65.194.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE8D3A682E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27396 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 04:23:54 -0000 X-NetworkBox-HamSign: 0101;OUT;hitachihk13;e31dc85c265a91d416c8cf5c9e9d0a3a; Received: from unknown (HELO hitachihk5.hitachi.cn) (170.95.94.58) by 170.95.94.59 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 04:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 18198 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2008 04:23:54 -0000 X-NetworkBox-HamSign: 0101;OUT;hitachihk5;eac670172f5e9460e2ec737cf53c024d; Received: from unknown (HELO hchidc401.hitachi-china.com) (170.95.94.69) by 172.16.10.9 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2008 04:23:54 -0000 Received: from hchibjrdpyang ([10.96.2.35]) by hchidc401.hitachi-china.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:23:53 +0800 From: "Peng Yang" To: "'David Smith \(dasmith\)'" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:23:52 +0800 Message-ID: <008f01c8ed45$1435dde0$2302600a@hitachichina.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <42591A81B59EA14BAA617596482F65CE0559834D@xmb-rtp-212.amer.cisco.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 04:23:53.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[1476B770:01C8ED45] X-Scanned-By-hitachihk5: Virus scan performed by network-box X-Scanned-By-hitachihk5: Scanner file id is hitachihk5-1216873434.130-18195-000 X-Scanned-By-hitachihk5: No known viruses found in message (received+scanned in 0.02/0.10 secs) X-Scanned-By-hitachihk5: Spam-Check-Result: No, hits=0 required=7 tests= autolearn=no version=2.0 X-NetworkBox-BounceSign-hitachih: 0101;14084;0cef5962 X-Scanned-By-hitachihk13: Virus scan performed by network-box X-Scanned-By-hitachihk13: Scanner file id is hitachihk13-1216873434.592-27389-000 X-Scanned-By-hitachihk13: No known viruses found in message (received+scanned in 0.04/0.07 secs) X-Scanned-By-hitachihk13: Spam-Check-Result: No, hits=0 required=7 tests= autolearn=no version=2.0 X-Scanned-By-hitachihk13: Whitelisted with valid signature (outbound via Network Box hitachihk5) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, folks: I also need one social ticket. Pls mail me if you have one extra. Thanks a lot Peny > >-----Original Message----- > >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > >On Behalf Of David Smith (dasmith) > >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 AM > >To: 72attendees@ietf.org > >Subject: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I'm interested in 2 social tickets if anyone has extras. If so, please > >unicast me. > > > >Thanks, > > > >/dave > > > >_______________________________________________ > >72attendees mailing list > >72attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees Disclaimer: The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and may be protected by law against any unauthorized use. If you have received this e-mail by mistake or have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail as soon as possible and delete it from your computer system immediately thereafter. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this e-mail or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. While we have made every effort to keep our network virus free, we take no responsibility for any computer virus which might be transferred by way of this e-mail. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 02:22:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5525E3A682E; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC05B3A682E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:22:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.825, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vvSBbRDHEUo4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BC13A67CF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4I005I17BIM6@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:21:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4I00N507BI4L@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:21:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.9.112]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K4I004YX7BH0K@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:21:18 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:21:17 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: <008f01c8ed45$1435dde0$2302600a@hitachichina.com> To: 'Peng Yang' , "'David Smith (dasmith)'" , 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <00ba01c8ed6e$a0c464b0$7009a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcjtardwU+qoJ7kyTwmz0iu1x2U1tQAA80jw Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org So do I. Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On >Behalf Of Peng Yang >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:24 PM >To: 'David Smith (dasmith)'; 72attendees@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? > >Hi, folks: > >I also need one social ticket. Pls mail me if you have one extra. > >Thanks a lot >Peny > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> >On Behalf Of David Smith (dasmith) >> >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 AM >> >To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> >Subject: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm interested in 2 social tickets if anyone has extras. If so, >please >> >unicast me. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >/dave >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >72attendees mailing list >> >72attendees@ietf.org >> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > >Disclaimer: >The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and >may be protected >by law against any unauthorized use. 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Thread-Index: AcjtardwU+qoJ7kyTwmz0iu1x2U1tQAA80jwAAb/NdA= From: "Daniele Ceccarelli" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 12:41:47.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[A30961F0:01C8ED8A] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Me too... It seems that 600 were too few :) Regards Daniele -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Song Haibin Sent: gioved=EC 24 luglio 2008 11.21 To: 'Peng Yang'; 'David Smith (dasmith)'; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? So do I. Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On >Behalf Of Peng Yang >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:24 PM >To: 'David Smith (dasmith)'; 72attendees@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? > >Hi, folks: > >I also need one social ticket. Pls mail me if you have one extra. > >Thanks a lot >Peny > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> >On Behalf Of David Smith (dasmith) >> >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 AM >> >To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> >Subject: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm interested in 2 social tickets if anyone has extras. If so, >please >> >unicast me. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >/dave >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >72attendees mailing list >> >72attendees@ietf.org >> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > >Disclaimer: >The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and >may be protected >by law against any unauthorized use. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 !!! Regards, Damien Saucez Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: >Me too... > >It seems that 600 were too few :) > >Regards >Daniele > >-----Original Message----- >From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] O= n Behalf Of Song Haibin >Sent: gioved=EC 24 luglio 2008 11.21 >To: 'Peng Yang'; 'David Smith (dasmith)'; 72attendees@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? > >So do I. > >Best Regards, >Song Haibin >Email: melodysong@huawei.com >Skype: alexsonghw > > > = > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On >>Behalf Of Peng Yang >>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:24 PM >>To: 'David Smith (dasmith)'; 72attendees@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? >> >>Hi, folks: >> >>I also need one social ticket. Pls mail me if you have one extra. >> >>Thanks a lot >>Peny >> >> = >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>>> = >>>> >>[mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> = >> >>>>On Behalf Of David Smith (dasmith) >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:45 AM >>>>To: 72attendees@ietf.org >>>>Subject: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I'm interested in 2 social tickets if anyone has extras. If so, >>>> = >>>> >>please >> = >> >>>>unicast me. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>/dave >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>72attendees mailing list >>>>72attendees@ietf.org >>>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> = >>>> >>Disclaimer: >>The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential >> = >> >and > = > >>may be protected >>by law against any unauthorized use. 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While we have made every effort to keep >> = >> >our > = > >>network virus free, >>we take no responsibility for any computer virus which might be transferr= ed >> = >> >by > = > >>way of this e-mail. >>_______________________________________________ >>72attendees mailing list >>72attendees@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = >> > >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 07:28:14 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111203A6A42; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583463A6A45 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fhIboh6gZryV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8843A6A38 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=ca.afilias.info; h=Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=eFjj42UFCcxBoCGfi23mMo6AZXhmI8EkDVrUyDKbnWBRiYXPwZS9ODL/WX0Imcbn60HpzPuyA6k+M0W5o+dKeut9T14Z++BhfbCixLvcXgdEZJsQ/FdN36lAwrUUOZKl; Received: from [199.212.90.13] (helo=calamari.hopcount.ca) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KM1n5-000I8A-S2; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:27:36 +0000 Message-Id: From: Joe Abley To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:27:34 -0400 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24 Jul 2008, at 03:43, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > However, it seems that the US DHS pays special attention to > travelers with new passports, and I imagine doubly so for those who > have a "new" passport with every visit... I used my fresh Canadian passport at the US border literally days after it was issued, which was less than a month before I had become a Canadian. Within seconds of scanning it I was asked why I was travelling on this passport instead of my New Zealand one, and why I hadn't had my H1-B visa transferred to the Canadian passport. I had not actually opened my mouth to say anything, so my twisted accent can't have tipped him off (and in any case, it's a rare day that anybody from the US will listen to me speak and conclude that I am some kind of New Zealander; I am occasionally accused of being Australian, though). Based on this, I tend to doubt that a new passport is going to be an issue at the US border, especially for a regular traveller. Or perhaps I'm just special. Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 07:37:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16C128C135; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AABE28C135 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30r6ehGUDxvX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no (tyholt.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1::eecb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532FC28C133 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6?2001?700?1?0?215?f2ff?fe35?307d] (sverresborg.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:0:215:f2ff:fe35:307d]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F802BAC21; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:38:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <488893EE.6020706@uninett.no> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:38:38 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Joe Abley wrote: > > On 24 Jul 2008, at 03:43, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > >> However, it seems that the US DHS pays special attention to travelers >> with new passports, and I imagine doubly so for those who have a "new" >> passport with every visit... > > I used my fresh Canadian passport at the US border literally days after > it was issued, which was less than a month before I had become a > Canadian. Within seconds of scanning it I was asked why I was travelling > on this passport instead of my New Zealand one, and why I hadn't had my > H1-B visa transferred to the Canadian passport. I had not actually > opened my mouth to say anything, so my twisted accent can't have tipped > him off (and in any case, it's a rare day that anybody from the US will > listen to me speak and conclude that I am some kind of New Zealander; I > am occasionally accused of being Australian, though). > > Based on this, I tend to doubt that a new passport is going to be an > issue at the US border, especially for a regular traveller. I traveled to the US on a new passport about a year ago. The only unusual question I got (apart from the usual for what and how long) was when I was last in the US (perhaps to help verify I indeed was the same person as when I last went). I managed to get two passports due to frequent traveling and visa waiting times. Stig > > Or perhaps I'm just special. > > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 07:43:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0028C12B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606823A6905 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.315 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.315 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.284, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id id5H9pVKX37Z for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC763A683C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=ca.afilias.info; h=Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=niqV612vDebQkInGFZU2yNp5ecMg8h/QMtLBcdclc7qNijlfHCtluILfCqMaVEKxYqcQUwzvxX9TmBXWVYMMpR8ZeLPJw21M9MXtQJ8ntHJRzAChFg7lKb054XBSIt9G; Received: from [199.212.90.13] (helo=calamari.hopcount.ca) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KM23N-000IQi-Ti; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:44:26 +0000 Message-Id: <50F90E6B-A238-4A58-AA7C-554C41060790@ca.afilias.info> From: Joe Abley To: Marshall Eubanks In-Reply-To: <1DD6ECDB-EAC4-4CF9-A35E-7D823A60D6B1@multicasttech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:44:25 -0400 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> <1DD6ECDB-EAC4-4CF9-A35E-7D823A60D6B1@multicasttech.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 24 Jul 2008, at 10:41, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > >> On 24 Jul 2008, at 03:43, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> >>> However, it seems that the US DHS pays special attention to >>> travelers with new passports, and I imagine doubly so for those >>> who have a "new" passport with every visit... >> >> I used my fresh Canadian passport at the US border literally days >> after it was issued, which was less than a month before I had >> become a Canadian. > > I am impressed. How did you get a Canadian passport before you > became a Canadian ? Will this scale ? Therein lies the problem with making statements before coffee. Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 12:26:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712543A6813; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACC43A6813 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[none] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id htfIEHPerF5F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from afribone.trstech.net (isc.trstech.net [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:1::23:2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345A23A67F5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [41.207.171.165] by afribone.trstech.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KM6P6-00011v-6Y for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:23:09 +0000 Message-Id: <52890925-D36E-4F9C-869D-AF8FE4A225EE@trstech.net> From: alain aina To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <50F90E6B-A238-4A58-AA7C-554C41060790@ca.afilias.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:25:38 +0000 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> <1DD6ECDB-EAC4-4CF9-A35E-7D823A60D6B1@multicasttech.com> <50F90E6B-A238-4A58-AA7C-554C41060790@ca.afilias.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 41.207.171.165 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: aalain@afribone.trstech.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:52 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on afribone.trstech.net) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org hi all, I sent yesterday and resent today a mail asking for my application withdrawal and received a mail from the immigration service in dublin that my visa was approved since 17/7/08 while the visa decision published on 22th says nothing about my application. It is curious. May be because it is an application from a poor country :-) But anyway it is too late to collect the passport and join you. Wish you all a very good meeting. Technology does not need visa for now, so i will be a remote participant. cheers --alain _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 13:44:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A352228C12D; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB32A28C132 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oPj9D41Je+QI for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp241.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp241.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.241]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FAD28C115 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7AFBE1F25AA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id A9FC71F24A0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:43:50 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1608632548==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1608632548== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080605050906050101080607" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080605050906050101080607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, Saggart. Although some are enjoying the golf. - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink Better to share a cab (25 EUR each way +-) into Dublin for restaurants, pubs and entertainment for the weekend. - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/sightseeing - On a previous trip, enjoyed the Dublin Literary Pub Crawl: http://www.dublinpubcrawl.com/ - Also Bewley's Cafe Theatre: http://www.bewleyscafetheatre.com/ Starting Monday: free IETF Shuttle Buses running from 0900 - 2300, Citywest - Dublin. No charge for attendees and/or their guests. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf Ray --------------080605050906050101080607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All,
Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, Saggart.  Although some are enjoying the golf.
 - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink

Better to share a cab (25 EUR each way +-) into Dublin for restaurants, pubs and entertainment for the weekend.
 - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink
 - http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/sightseeing
 - On a previous trip, enjoyed the Dublin Literary Pub Crawl: http://www.dublinpubcrawl.com/
 - Also Bewley's Cafe Theatre: http://www.bewleyscafetheatre.com/

Starting Monday: free IETF Shuttle Buses running from 0900 - 2300, Citywest - Dublin.  No charge for attendees and/or their guests.  http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf

Ray






--------------080605050906050101080607-- --===============1608632548== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1608632548==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 13:52:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC728C0FF; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B4C28C0FF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjXDmIWSkmwR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA5828C0E0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12226934 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:52:27 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:52:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] Ride Share Sunday AM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I am arriving at 10:25 AM Sunday. If anyone wants to share a ride, look for a big white guy wearing a bright red shirt. Regards Marshall _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 13:57:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3011428C14A; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A553A6809 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5yU+zwVJwC1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA1C28C13F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twHN1Z0070FhH24A3wxAPw; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.128.66.199]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twx61Z00A4HwxpC8Uwx7rE; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:57:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UIRRfmCUKYQA:10 a=XZTVcf6At-8A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=X5q2k1npgH3xVyQ4NMEA:9 a=COoiIaTbHQUU6KxQqcIA:9 a=mMeT0xarUOMUITpbO7DsJGwkXRUA:4 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=c7PO8omglNEA:10 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'RL 'Bob' Morgan'" , <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <487D4078.6000905@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: <007701c8edcf$d5927ea0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjtTiXzrQWkgcp7TEOiM7IKP+ns2AAgachQ Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; Elecrticity & Cell Phones X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org just look for the t-shirts. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of RL 'Bob' Morgan > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:29 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Travel to Dublin & Citywest; > Elecrticity & Cell Phones > > > For all those of us arriving at the Dublin Airport at 5AM > (!?) on Saturday > the 26th, let's share a cab and a stiff drink. > > - RL "Bob" > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:02:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA363A6872; 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Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:02:23 -0700 From: Marc Petit-Huguenin User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Subject: [72attendees] tipping X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, As this is my first trip to Ireland: What are the rules for tipping? Thanks. - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin [ ] Home: marc@petit-huguenin.org [RFC1855-compliant space for rent ] Work: marc@8x8.com [ ] [ ] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiI7d8ACgkQ9RoMZyVa61cbCQCfZoY9b8Qb5eGhFF7UHQ0tXS0m EywAoKBnPvBNCIsdwoUODHcnbqWgVVWO =Ky26 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:04:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7957028C14A; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764C43A6A76 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vcywvp29vq+7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.irnic.ir (smtp.irnic.ir [193.189.122.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C9E28C14D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irnic.ir (mail.irnic.ir [193.189.122.16]) by smtp.irnic.ir (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6OL3o0h009253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:33:53 +0430 Message-ID: <4888FC0C.5090704@nic.ir> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:32:52 +0330 From: Alireza Saleh User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] CAB sharing, X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'll arrive at DUB international airport on 27th August around 1:20pm, there is a cab share offer on the table. Dot-Alireza _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:09:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2FE28C151; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD5928C151 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LUpKss7bJkiN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.irnic.ir (smtp.irnic.ir [193.189.122.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B7928C14F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irnic.ir (mail.irnic.ir [193.189.122.16]) by smtp.irnic.ir (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6OL8xgd009283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:39:04 +0430 Message-ID: <4888FD3E.7020307@nic.ir> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:37:58 +0330 From: Alireza Saleh User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <4888FC0C.5090704@nic.ir> <20080724140434.J78685@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20080724140434.J78685@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> Cc: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAB sharing, X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Alireza Saleh wrote: >> I'll arrive at DUB international airport on 27th August around >> 1:20pm, there is a cab share offer on the table. > > That's WAY too late for the conference. :)) , sorry I meant 27th of JULY, I was in the middle of reading emails about Visa issue. Thanks Murray, Dot-Alireza _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:11:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5860028C158; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0028C15A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rBUGZIhx5nqi for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.imagine.ie (dns2.dns.imagine.ie [87.232.1.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4DB28C158 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.int.imagine.ie (mail1 [87.232.1.152]) by relay.imagine.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB041421C; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:11:22 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.5] (dsl-102-234.cust.imagine.ie [87.232.102.234]) by mail1.int.imagine.ie (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6OLBI77029315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:11:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4888F050.3090007@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:12:48 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Petit-Huguenin References: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> In-Reply-To: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 29380385 - 66bf65e4e449 (trained as not-spam) X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 87.232.1.52 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] tipping X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > Hi, > > As this is my first trip to Ireland: What are the rules for tipping? Generally, less is expected than in say the US, but tipping is common. Its normal to tip in restaurants (10-15%), and cabs (usually round up a quid or two). In bars, staff behind the bar aren't often tipped, but staff that bring drink to your table are. In coffee/sandwich shops they may have a tip-jar at the till and you can tip or not as you please. I'm sure someone will post a wiki link with much fuller details, of course:-) S. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:13:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C449228C172; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E43728C172 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6kyRmuAz8Yy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B11628C14F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,248,1215388800"; d="scan'208,217";a="15408793" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2008 21:13:57 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6OLDvjr020405 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:13:57 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6OLDvBu026733 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13:57 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-208.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.43]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:13:57 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:13:54 -0400 Message-ID: <0F64770A6FD22C43AAA498C1E774ECC7061EA701@xmb-rtp-208.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am Thread-Index: Acjt0i2EF+OqyQtBRPitqWSgiFYWZA== From: "Gene Chang (genchang)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2008 21:13:57.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F9220C0:01C8EDD2] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4665; t=1216934037; x=1217798037; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=genchang@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Gene=20Chang=20(genchang)=22=20 |Subject:=20CAB=20sharing=20--=20Saturday=20arrival=208.40a m |Sender:=20 |To:=20<72attendees@ietf.org>; bh=uLpwkeabRW2J4nzhamqpJf1VghpukbIcAYDVf6m2KNE=; b=tXOin4zRmTgly++hGjq50/l1hg3+CCOxJGbD8Kwj1asCkek1sOCOhKUn4d eVNI2sbJA0gwNt603unyrcDbYEvAu52gJb5mZlr+Vs5kw9WrtiuV0BIXqeCN rxlyewSHgV; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=genchang@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0866337232==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0866337232== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EDD2.2F682CB6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EDD2.2F682CB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am arriving Saturday morning around 8.40am. Anyone interested in cab sharing at that time? =20 Thanks, Gene =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Eugene Chang (genchang) Cisco Systems Office: 603-559-2978 Mobile: 781-799-0233 Skype: gene02421 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EDD2.2F682CB6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am arriving Saturday morning around 8.40am. Anyone = interested in cab sharing at that time?

 

Thanks,

Gene

 

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Eugene Chang (genchang)
Cisco Systems

Office:   603-559-2978
Mobile:  781-799-0233

Skype:  gene02421

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EDD2.2F682CB6-- --===============0866337232== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0866337232==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:16:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42D528C159; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C6228C14F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9s8pgOMsNbj for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liberty.deployingradius.com (liberty.deployingradius.com [88.191.76.128]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B3928C159 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (pas38-1-82-67-71-238.fbx.proxad.net [82.67.71.238]) by liberty.deployingradius.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FFAA12342B5; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:16:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4888F0F5.7000106@deployingradius.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:15:33 +0200 From: Alan DeKok User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080502) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Petit-Huguenin References: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> In-Reply-To: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] tipping X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > As this is my first trip to Ireland: What are the rules for tipping? You mis-spelled "tippling": http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tippling There's (allegedly) an Irish saying: "If God had meant us to drink beer, he would have given us stomachs." Tippling is apparently a past-time, but usually engaged in by students. Alan DeKok. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:19:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C50728C14B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BDC28C14B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h6SeOLjw7kAA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustar.com (ns6.neustar.com [156.154.16.88]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779813A67D1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; d=neustar.biz; s=neustarbiz; c=simple/simple; q=dns; t=1216934348; x=1217020748; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-class:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encod ing; b=mgbGIb6SkIhXM+vWpn9+SlHv4WqT/FjAK3PFTU83XpaMmtB4JcdQcPzGxtt1Ar4CNMN7cA6C3DVLVp HX2KQJ7w== Received: from ([10.31.13.50]) by stihiron1.va.neustar.com with ESMTP id 5202702.9516418; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0F64770A6FD22C43AAA498C1E774ECC7061EA701@xmb-rtp-208.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am Thread-Index: Acjt0i2EF+OqyQtBRPitqWSgiFYWZAAAF9PQ References: <0F64770A6FD22C43AAA498C1E774ECC7061EA701@xmb-rtp-208.amer.cisco.com> From: "Rosen, Brian" To: "Gene Chang \(genchang\)" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Could we stop this series of threads? The suggested cab sharing algorithm is: *Clear customs *Go to the "Meeting Point" that is very near the customs exit *Wear any IETF shirt, or equivalent geeky outfit *Find cab mates ________________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Gene Chang (genchang) Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am I am arriving Saturday morning around 8.40am. Anyone interested in cab shar= ing at that time? Thanks, Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eugene Chang (genchang) Cisco Systems Office:=A0=A0 603-559-2978 Mobile:=A0 781-799-0233 Skype:=A0 gene02421 =A0 =A0 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:21:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007A3A67F5; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0C128C17B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.745, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pd-FUouofCNq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.implementers.org (server.implementers.org [69.55.225.91]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4567A3A67D1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by server.implementers.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 096547F01A2; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (server.implementers.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA0D7F019E; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4888F263.3060302@petit-huguenin.org> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:21:39 -0700 From: Marc Petit-Huguenin User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> <4888F050.3090007@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <4888F050.3090007@cs.tcd.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] tipping X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As this is my first trip to Ireland: What are the rules for tipping? > > Generally, less is expected than in say the US, but tipping is common. > Its normal to tip in restaurants (10-15%), and cabs (usually round > up a quid or two). In bars, staff behind the bar aren't often tipped, > but staff that bring drink to your table are. In coffee/sandwich > shops they may have a tip-jar at the till and you can tip or not > as you please. > > I'm sure someone will post a wiki link with much fuller details, of > course:-) Thanks. I think the fundamental question about tipping is: Are the tips part of their salary (USA) or not (France). If they are payed by the tips then you tip unless the service was really wrong. If they are not, then you tip only if the service was really good. I guess by your answer that this is similar to France (excepted that I will tip :-) - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin [ ] Home: marc@petit-huguenin.org [RFC1855-compliant space for rent ] Work: marc@8x8.com [ ] [ ] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiI8mMACgkQ9RoMZyVa61cdaQCfUm5kAFENmB+UXx0/JVMWTnHF ExMAniLgTOUpYtcVEU6usxWEvJk9u/FN =R8++ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:22:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996328C18B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F9C28C18E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6bMS7nRU10XB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtpout.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727FE28C183 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (unknown [10.1.3.8]) by smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:22:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 88.197.224.221 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dsaucez) by mmp.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:22:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:22:28 +0200 (CEST) From: "Damien Saucez" To: "Marshall Eubanks" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: Squirrel authenticated, X-MailScanner-ID: 538EDF0113.C74F4 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: damien.saucez@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Ride Share Sunday AM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > I am arriving at 10:25 AM Sunday. If anyone wants to share a ride, 10:45 AM Sunday for me, so I'm interested by sharing a cab. > look for a big white guy > wearing a bright red shirt. > > Regards > Marshall > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > Regards, Damien Saucez _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 14:24:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532A3A6782; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12803A6782 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82WfeCqHAIIc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtpout.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6879628C192 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (unknown [10.1.3.8]) by smtp2.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 88.197.224.221 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dsaucez) by mmp.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <0f7b6b6b29f883a509b0c57dbcb78516.squirrel@mmp.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be> In-Reply-To: References: <0F64770A6FD22C43AAA498C1E774ECC7061EA701@xmb-rtp-208.amer.cisco.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:23:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Damien Saucez" To: "Rosen, Brian" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: Squirrel authenticated, X-MailScanner-ID: 3EB0FEC608.E50B9 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: damien.saucez@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Could we stop this series of threads? > oups, ok. > The suggested cab sharing algorithm is: > *Clear customs > *Go to the "Meeting Point" that is very near the customs exit > *Wear any IETF shirt, or equivalent geeky outfit > *Find cab mates > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Gene Chang (genchang) > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] CAB sharing -- Saturday arrival 8.40am > > I am arriving Saturday morning around 8.40am. Anyone interested in cab > sharing at that time? > > Thanks, > Gene > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > Eugene Chang (genchang) > Cisco Systems > Office:=A0=A0 603-559-2978 > Mobile:=A0 781-799-0233 > Skype:=A0 gene02421 > =A0 > =A0 > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 15:55:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C4828C145; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44F228C13F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIGOTk-VOkYV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.voxpilot.com (mail.voxpilot.com [87.198.5.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661BA28C0FF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.117] (unknown [10.0.0.117]) by mail.voxpilot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30722140F4; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48890868.2010704@voxpilot.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:55:36 +0100 From: Andrew Fuller User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <4888EDDF.1030309@petit-huguenin.org> <4888F050.3090007@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <4888F050.3090007@cs.tcd.ie> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] tipping X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org As anticipated, here's a wiki link with Fuller details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping#Ireland Stephen's comments below are accurate, I'd add that tipping is considered less mandatory here than in most places in the US. Andrew Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As this is my first trip to Ireland: What are the rules for tipping? > > Generally, less is expected than in say the US, but tipping is common. > Its normal to tip in restaurants (10-15%), and cabs (usually round > up a quid or two). In bars, staff behind the bar aren't often tipped, > but staff that bring drink to your table are. In coffee/sandwich > shops they may have a tip-jar at the till and you can tip or not > as you please. > > I'm sure someone will post a wiki link with much fuller details, of > course:-) > > S. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Fuller Chief Technology Officer Voxpilot Ltd, 6 - 9 Trinity Street, Dublin 2, Rep. of Ireland Mobile: +353 86 6061915 email: andrew.fuller@voxpilot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 04:29:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942A728C15B; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4108028C15A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id INR8bJKSTC0u for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D99928C153 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,252,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15453181" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2008 11:29:33 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6PBTX7F001803 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:29:33 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6PBTXhB021980 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:29:33 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:29:32 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:29:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:29:31 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2008 11:29:32.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5A0D9A0:01C8EE49] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Subject: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The cheap and good way to go is Cornucopia, which is exactly around the back of the tourist information center. Govinda's is supposed to be good but it's not central and I haven't been there. The Farm is organic but not vegetarian ... they have some vegetarian entrees. I'm a cheap guy so I even bought a veggie burger (takeaway) at Subway on Nassau Street. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 05:00:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807993A6AAD; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF383A6AAD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkhlyt10nR6H for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556F13A6862 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b11so1219216nfh.39 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.118.15 with SMTP id q15mr1857462ebc.96.1216987226707; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.250.7.72? ( [213.94.171.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm20757198gve.3.2008.07.25.05.00.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4889C057.3000608@tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:00:23 +0100 From: darragh User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Brim References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> In-Reply-To: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Scott Brim wrote: > The cheap and good way to go is Cornucopia, which is exactly around > the back of the tourist information center. Govinda's is supposed to > be good but it's not central and I haven't been there. The Farm is > organic but not vegetarian ... they have some vegetarian entrees. > I'm a cheap guy so I even bought a veggie burger (takeaway) at Subway > on Nassau Street. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > Govinda's is a great choice for Vegetarian/Vegan food and decently priced too. Location http://www.govindas.ie/restaurants/index.htm menu and prices http://www.govindas.ie/menu/index.htm Darragh _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 05:51:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387283A6883; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033B33A6883 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tRZRREsqGUm4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com (zcars04f.nortel.com [47.129.242.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A593A6452 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6PCpSK03078 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:51:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB631@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <48888ABD.2090105@uclouvain.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? Thread-Index: AcjtlaDDMAZoA5TuQtyNt0JNyjwa0wAvxHWw References: <48888ABD.2090105@uclouvain.be> From: "Don Fedyk" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have one social ticket I cannot use. Since I won't be there if you can use Paypal we can transfer the ticket at the face value of $40 US. First one to Reply to me off list, gets it. Regards, Don _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 05:53:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3131C3A6883; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:53:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAB13A6883 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6Dy79apz-1Q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com (zcars04f.nortel.com [47.129.242.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0943A6452 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6PCrfK03503 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:53:41 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:53:38 -0400 Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB63B@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB631@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? Thread-Index: AcjtlaDDMAZoA5TuQtyNt0JNyjwa0wAvxHWwAAAq7cA= References: <48888ABD.2090105@uclouvain.be> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB631@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Don Fedyk" To: "Don Fedyk" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It is gone, Don > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fedyk, Don > (BL60:1A00) > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:51 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Extra Social Tickets? > > I have one social ticket I cannot use. Since I won't be there > if you can > use Paypal we can transfer the ticket at the face value of $40 US. > > First one to Reply to me off list, gets it. > > Regards, > Don > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 06:00:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B033A68BF; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBE33A68BF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zkE3DUKoCYgR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EE93A6883 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6PD0Pfg019149; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:00:33 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:00:19 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:00:19 +0300 Received: from [10.130.3.168] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:00:18 +0300 Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB63B@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:00:14 +0300 References: <48888ABD.2090105@uclouvain.be> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB631@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB63B@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2008 13:00:19.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E3C9D0:01C8EE56] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [72attendees] heads up: social tickets X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org For previous meetings, the secretariat has maintained a waiting list for social event tickets. Everyone who needs to get rid of them returns them for a refund, and they get allocated to the next person on the list. Simple, and - more importantly - this works without a single email to the attendees list. I'd assume that the secretariat does this in Dublin also. (Ray?) Lars _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 06:36:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD4428C195; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FAC28C195 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LsYoFX23pgBD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD51128C190 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,252,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15392129" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2008 13:35:54 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6PDZsGn000928; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:35:54 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6PDZrUw018528; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:35:54 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-64-103-85-45.cisco.com [64.103.85.45]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6PDZpG09083; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:35:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807251335.m6PDZpG09083@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:35:48 +0100 To: Lars Eggert , 72attendees@ietf.org From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: References: <48888ABD.2090105@uclouvain.be> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB631@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA415FAB63B@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=815; t=1216992954; x=1217856954; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20heads=20up=3A=20social= 20tickets |Sender:=20; bh=oPxmKuf99hBsBHR5QYOIs5+iwoM0RGsS2jwe+yZ6m/A=; b=tuS8dv3R9WtQhpmCp5HdsCMPdSn19YnPsTv9YG/O9GpBuePpnKdGDiQWCJ 2OQkoJDtaAqLmlgJL+QkcxlNoIxHRe7XeByEIrVZaFFpGOUnKM5LCR1We251 bq8iB+hqG7; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] heads up: social tickets X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org was the social event a checklist item when registering? I'm pretty sure I checked and signed up for everything that wasn't a Sunday beginners' class, but don't see social event called out on my receipt. At Friday 25/07/2008 16:00 +0300, Lars Eggert wrote: >For previous meetings, the secretariat has maintained a waiting list >for social event tickets. Everyone who needs to get rid of them >returns them for a refund, and they get allocated to the next person >on the list. Simple, and - more importantly - this works without a >single email to the attendees list. > >I'd assume that the secretariat does this in Dublin also. (Ray?) > >Lars >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 10:13:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125C73A699D; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0473A6A61 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:23:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.344 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.344 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.255, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wxv9h8CUsoU7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu (CHOKECHERRY.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.185.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54DD3A6A5B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu (ATLANTIS-HOME.PC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.200.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6OHNxO0007029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:23:59 -0400 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Joe Abley , Marshall Eubanks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807241444.m6OEiaO8017183@grapenut.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> <1DD6ECDB-EAC4-4CF9-A35E-7D823A60D6B1@multicasttech.com> <200807241444.m6OEiaO8017183@grapenut.srv.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:13:14 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:44:25 AM -0400 Joe Abley wrote: > > On 24 Jul 2008, at 10:41, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> >>> On 24 Jul 2008, at 03:43, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>> >>>> However, it seems that the US DHS pays special attention to >>>> travelers with new passports, and I imagine doubly so for those >>>> who have a "new" passport with every visit... >>> >>> I used my fresh Canadian passport at the US border literally days >>> after it was issued, which was less than a month before I had >>> become a Canadian. >> >> I am impressed. How did you get a Canadian passport before you >> became a Canadian ? Will this scale ? Presumably Canada issues new passports (or perhaps just passports to new citizens) via a time machine. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 10:13:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D733A6960; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EA63A67F6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQpERDrXfd-H for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cali.ucd.ie (mailhub2.ucd.ie [193.1.169.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B44F3A680C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.cali.ucd.ie by cali.ucd.ie (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) id <0K4J00H0181DDV00@cali.ucd.ie> (original mail from Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie) for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:38:07 +0100 (IST) Received: from itservic-965dfc.no8.be ([83.141.81.52]) by cali.ucd.ie (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4J0006R87INZA0@cali.ucd.ie>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:38:07 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:38:20 +0100 From: Niall O'Reilly In-reply-to: <52890925-D36E-4F9C-869D-AF8FE4A225EE@trstech.net> To: alain aina , 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: Organization: University College Dublin MIME-version: 1.0 References: <20080723101733.N80523@fledge.watson.org> <4887430C.50700@isoc.org> <9D4B08FB-A9EB-4C94-A38F-0B429FF5BE3C@trstech.net> <488773EA.9090302@isi.edu> <796FF765-F01F-4053-B096-0AB644143ABA@muada.com> <1DD6ECDB-EAC4-4CF9-A35E-7D823A60D6B1@multicasttech.com> <50F90E6B-A238-4A58-AA7C-554C41060790@ca.afilias.info> <52890925-D36E-4F9C-869D-AF8FE4A225EE@trstech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.51 (Win32) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:13:19 -0700 Cc: Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie Subject: Re: [72attendees] Visa issue X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:25:38 +0100, alain aina wrote: > I sent yesterday and resent today a mail asking for my application > withdrawal and received a mail from the immigration service in dublin > that my visa was approved since 17/7/08 while the visa decision > published on 22th says nothing about my application. It is curious. May > be because it is an application from a poor country :-) I hope not. Today's front-page article in The Irish Times isn't exactly a counter-example, I'm afraid. [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0724/1216741028006.html?via=mr] I'm really embarrassed by our visa service, and sorry you had to cancel. Niall O'Reilly _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 25 22:42:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA46F3A6935; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065E3A695A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjQWQgq90CPO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991AB3A6935 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.7.194] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6Q5g16w008986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:41:32 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ray Pelletier wrote: | All, | Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, Saggart. | Although some are enjoying the golf. | - | http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink *limited* eating? Of the restaurants, only 2 serve dinner within a typical per-diem; the rest will set you back over $50+ USD per person. Getting out to other food requires a taxi (50 EU round trip, and around 2 hours to burn on travel). There are no city centers (even modest suburban ones) nearby; Dublin is the closest. For lunch, there are NO feasible alternate options. For dinner, the bulk of 1,000+ people will need to board the 8pm shuttle to make it out in time for the last return. I hope it's a *BIG* bus. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiKuQwACgkQE5f5cImnZrsEOQCfV/n5DjvzGu4sst+jeww++zz6 IswAoNj1k4Hoi7XlGNa1H2DJBZlf/T/o =3PNn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 04:18:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138613A6A92; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B423A6A92 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mX6Ny-1o3mHk for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC17F3A6A5C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KMhn5-0009tA-Iy; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:22 -0400 From: john+ietf@jck.com To: Joe Touch Message-ID: <0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM> In-Reply-To: <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Friday, 25 July, 2008 22:41 -0700 Joe Touch wrote: > Ray Pelletier wrote: > | All, > | Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, > Saggart. > | Although some are enjoying the golf. > | - > | > http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/loca > l-food-and-drink > > *limited* eating? > > Of the restaurants, only 2 serve dinner within a typical > per-diem; the > rest will set you back over $50+ USD per person. > > Getting out to other food requires a taxi (50 EU round trip, > and around > 2 hours to burn on travel). There are no city centers (even > modest > suburban ones) nearby; Dublin is the closest. > > For lunch, there are NO feasible alternate options. > > For dinner, the bulk of 1,000+ people will need to board the > 8pm shuttle > to make it out in time for the last return. I hope it's a > *BIG* bus. Joe, While Ray and the Secretariat have been able to work some small miracles at past meetings and I have every hope that they will do so again (e.g., that *BIG* bus), I'm coming to realize that the more general problem is that we are not getting sufficient information, far enough in advance, to make informed decisions about whether attending a particular meeting is, e.g., economically plausible. From my point of view, IAOC has been repeatedly told by the community that it is important to keep total cost of attendance within reasonable limits and has agreed to that as a goal. Opinions will undoubtedly differ as to whether they are succeeding or not, with part of the difference being between those for whom the limits are associated with costs over a year and those for whom particular limits like per diems are important. I think that leads to a somewhat different suggestion than those I've heard made before. It would involve some additional costs, but, averaged out over the group of us, I assume they would be trivial. Independent of what calculations and tradeoffs go into the site selection decisions, I think we should see, more or less at the time of announcements of hotel reservation availability, some realistic numbers about -- registration fee -- cost and time for getting from airport to hotel in a reasonable way (direct buses/coaches, trains to within short walking distance or a train/short cab ride combination, and taxis are reasonable; multiple low-frequency coach connections that terminate some kilometers away are not) -- any costs associated with getting from the designated hotel to and from the meeting site (when they are not the same) and between the designated hotels and recommended alternate hotels (if they are not in very easy walking distance). Shuttles are very helpful (and, again, we should know about them months in advance, not days), but we do enough of our important business in late-night bar BOFs and the like that it is necessary to assume that they will not always be available. -- realistic cost of eating three reasonable meals a day, adjusted for the "everyone has to eat at once" factor. For example, if it is possible for one or two hundred people to eat at low cost but everyone else is going to be forced into higher cost options, I'd expect more information than would be the case if one assumed that one could put 1000+ people into 200 seats. -- at the risk of being facetious, the price of a beer in the hotel. -- and, of course, the details about indoor and outdoor air quality, construction, and so on that have been discussed many times before. I assume others could add to that list, but you get the idea. Repeating a theme from a different area, the problem is less what the decisions are but the surprises when it is to late to do anything about them. IETF participants should have enough information before registering and booking flights and accommodations to make informed decisions about whether a particular meeting is feasible for them or whether it is necessary to participate remotely. john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 05:12:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6FE28C157; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D4828C157 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPBQ1p6fem4Q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0197.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.197]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A26628C142 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F863285A4A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:12:35 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 10, 1, 0, 7a9d6139260033ac, a2ae7b34a13b2d00, david@mitton.com, , RULES_HIT:379:541:973:988:989:1126:1130:1141:1254:1260:1277:1313:1314:1437:1516:1518:1537:1566:1593:1594:1711:1714:1730:1747:1766:1792:2198:2199:2393:2559:2562:3865:3866:3868:3869:3870:3872:3874:4250:4648:5007:7903, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none X-session-marker: 6461766964406D6974746F6E2E636F6D Received: from MITTON-LAP.mitton.com (c-24-147-209-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.147.209.249]) (Authenticated sender: david@mitton.com) by omf08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:12:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:12:27 -0400 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: David Mitton Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080726121235.1F863285A4A@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com> Subject: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I was in the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the detachable power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room! It's already been noted that these are the three prong variety and many laptop bricks now use different sockets. Dave. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 05:34:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EA63A6A60; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A676D3A6A60 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScXbxhIyOWQs for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623513A69F5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF6B7FC4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BMMw83pNvIlY for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.232] (pbg4-2.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.232]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24D67FC3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:15 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:34:14 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Social Ticket Refunds Thread-Index: AcjvG+l1KCF07lsPEd2MvQAf88vDKQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] Social Ticket Refunds X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org We are happy to issue refunds to anyone who purchased a ticket to the social event but can now no longer attend. Please contact me via email if you would like your social ticket to be refunded. As soon as the ticket is refunded, it will go back into the available ticket pool and will be available for purchase by whomever checks to social ticket purchase system, here: https://www.ietf.org/registration/eventticket.py This link is also available from the main Dublin meeting page: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/. At the moment the event is sold out, but please feel free to check back periodically to see if a ticket has become available. Alexa ----------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com On 7/25/08 6:00 AM, "Lars Eggert" wrote: > For previous meetings, the secretariat has maintained a waiting list > for social event tickets. Everyone who needs to get rid of them > returns them for a refund, and they get allocated to the next person > on the list. Simple, and - more importantly - this works without a > single email to the attendees list. > > I'd assume that the secretariat does this in Dublin also. (Ray?) > > Lars > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 06:10:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1203A6ABB; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F6D3A6A5D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PFvF1lm0-Qi0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73AE3A6973 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (unknown [86.47.155.49]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C4BF34E461A; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:11:25 -0700 (MST) References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> <0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM> Message-Id: <19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> From: Ted Lemon To: "john+ietf@jck.com" In-Reply-To: <0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A345) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A345) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:10:52 -0500 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org>, Joe Touch Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. I haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. Tallaght is a short cab ride or long walk from the hotel. On Jul 26, 2008, at 6:18 AM, john+ietf@jck.com wrote: > > > --On Friday, 25 July, 2008 22:41 -0700 Joe Touch > wrote: > >> Ray Pelletier wrote: >> | All, >> | Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, >> Saggart. >> | Although some are enjoying the golf. >> | - >> | >> http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/loca >> l-food-and-drink >> >> *limited* eating? >> >> Of the restaurants, only 2 serve dinner within a typical >> per-diem; the >> rest will set you back over $50+ USD per person. >> >> Getting out to other food requires a taxi (50 EU round trip, >> and around >> 2 hours to burn on travel). There are no city centers (even >> modest >> suburban ones) nearby; Dublin is the closest. >> >> For lunch, there are NO feasible alternate options. >> >> For dinner, the bulk of 1,000+ people will need to board the >> 8pm shuttle >> to make it out in time for the last return. I hope it's a >> *BIG* bus. > > Joe, > > While Ray and the Secretariat have been able to work some small > miracles at past meetings and I have every hope that they will > do so again (e.g., that *BIG* bus), I'm coming to realize that > the more general problem is that we are not getting sufficient > information, far enough in advance, to make informed decisions > about whether attending a particular meeting is, e.g., > economically plausible. From my point of view, IAOC has been > repeatedly told by the community that it is important to keep > total cost of attendance within reasonable limits and has agreed > to that as a goal. Opinions will undoubtedly differ as to > whether they are succeeding or not, with part of the difference > being between those for whom the limits are associated with > costs over a year and those for whom particular limits like per > diems are important. > > I think that leads to a somewhat different suggestion than those > I've heard made before. It would involve some additional costs, > but, averaged out over the group of us, I assume they would be > trivial. Independent of what calculations and tradeoffs go into > the site selection decisions, I think we should see, more or > less at the time of announcements of hotel reservation > availability, some realistic numbers about > > -- registration fee > > -- cost and time for getting from airport to hotel in a > reasonable way (direct buses/coaches, trains to within > short walking distance or a train/short cab ride > combination, and taxis are reasonable; multiple > low-frequency coach connections that terminate some > kilometers away are not) > > -- any costs associated with getting from the designated > hotel to and from the meeting site (when they are not > the same) and between the designated hotels and > recommended alternate hotels (if they are not in very > easy walking distance). Shuttles are very helpful > (and, again, we should know about them months in > advance, not days), but we do enough of our important > business in late-night bar BOFs and the like that it is > necessary to assume that they will not always be > available. > > -- realistic cost of eating three reasonable meals a > day, adjusted for the "everyone has to eat at once" > factor. For example, if it is possible for one or two > hundred people to eat at low cost but everyone else is > going to be forced into higher cost options, I'd expect > more information than would be the case if one assumed > that one could put 1000+ people into 200 seats. > > -- at the risk of being facetious, the price of a beer > in the hotel. > > -- and, of course, the details about indoor and outdoor > air quality, construction, and so on that have been > discussed many times before. > > I assume others could add to that list, but you get the idea. > Repeating a theme from a different area, the problem is less > what the decisions are but the surprises when it is to late to > do anything about them. IETF participants should have enough > information before registering and booking flights and > accommodations to make informed decisions about whether a > particular meeting is feasible for them or whether it is > necessary to participate remotely. > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 06:54:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302EA28C174; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31B53A6A8C; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.164 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.164 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Je7VOLajS6-z; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8863A6A0E; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6QDoNtV010708; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:54:29 -0500 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:53:28 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:53:28 +0300 Received: from lars.meeting.ietf.org ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:53:28 +0300 Message-Id: <7971D94B-1958-4721-96A0-D17AF91854C4@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ietf-sailors@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:53:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2008 13:53:28.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB483BF0:01C8EF26] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, IETF Discussion Subject: [72attendees] IETF-75: sailing to Stockholm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf-sailors@ietf.org List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, IETF-75 takes place in Stockholm, Sweden, from July 26-31, 2009. A bunch of us are planning to sail from Finnland to Stockholm during the week before the IETF, and to sail back from Stockholm to Finnland in the week afterwards. Coordinating this with several boats and a bunch of international folks is tricky, which is why we're starting to plan this now. There is a wiki at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/StockholmSailing that you can refer to for some initial information. This will be the only email I sent with a wide distribution list. If you're interested in this sailing event (or other events at other IETFs), please subscribe to the ietf-sailors list at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-sailors . Lars PS: Feel free to forward this email. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 07:11:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA63A6878; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D83A6873 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqXIQ0XsiF7A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4FA3A6878 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 5F796948D8; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CD14157ABC; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:06:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:06:08 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Ted Lemon Message-ID: <20080726140608.GA3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> <0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM> <19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 126 lines which said: > There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, > including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. I > haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. I do not find Tallaght on or ? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 07:18:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAA93A6A32; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABB83A69C3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fxtNStVVPjqE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl952.usa.alcatel.com (audl952.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EED3A6A0E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs02.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.13]) by audl952.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6QEI9FB017396; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:18:09 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.8]) by usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:18:09 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:18:09 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B61@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Thread-Index: AcjvKYfgweYMwD/aQLitw8ADudqINwAAKY4X References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu><0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM><19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> <20080726140608.GA3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> From: "LANGE Andrew" To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" , "Ted Lemon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2008 14:18:09.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E260730:01C8EF2A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0461663056==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0461663056== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF2A.6DA4981B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF2A.6DA4981B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tallaght is 7km away. The local food and drink site is oriented toward = things that are within walking distance of the hotel. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM To: Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? =20 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote=20 a message of 126 lines which said: > There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, = > including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese = restaurants. I=20 > haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. I do not find Tallaght on = or=20 ? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF2A.6DA4981B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

Tallaght is 7km away.  The local food and drink = site is oriented toward things that are within walking distance of the = hotel.

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer
Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM
To: Ted Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500,
 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote
 a message of 126 lines which said:

> There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might = do, 
> including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese = restaurants. I
> haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful.

I do not find Tallaght on
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink= > or
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-= and-drink-map-view> ?
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Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not detachable. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 07:36:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC923A68EA; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2703A68EA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.695, BAYES_00=-2.599, PLING_QUERY=1.39] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PA1-1bB1zVLc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4766F3A6878 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 6DF0A948EA; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:36:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95A3C157ABC; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:35:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:35:18 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Ray Pelletier Message-ID: <20080726143518.GA4075@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <487CDD05.3010703@isoc.org> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Logging in http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/? (Was: Welcome to IETF 72! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:23:17PM -0400, Ray Pelletier wrote a message of 86 lines which said: > 4. More info: http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/ It is apparently possible to log in and to modify things (for instance to put advices about restaurants) but I do not see where we are supposed to get an account? Or is it just for the local team? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 07:37:39 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AA23A6878; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331553A6878 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ax6OqqVZ21lI for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com (zcars04f.nortel.com [47.129.242.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3720A3A67EB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.72]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6QEbbi20688; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:37:38 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far Thread-Index: AcjuScAqAsOQUubsRtCEyflDusGb4AA4e5SQ References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Scott Brim" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Cornucopia is also great for folks with allergies - they label things as GF= (Gluten-Free), Yeast Free (YF), Dairy Free (DF), NF (nut free) etc. I'm no= t sure about kosher. But it is the best place so far. There is also a littl= e nicer place "Caf=E9 Fresh" located in the Powerscourt Townhouse shopping = center (3rd floor) that also is all veggie and GF, CF, etc even for dessert= s. Powerscourt is just down Johnson's Ct, which is one block North of Wick= low (Cornucopia). = Also, both Dunne's and Mark's and Spencer have food stores in the basement = floors - salads, veggies, houmous, fruits, veggies, etc. - many in individu= al servings. They are fairly well labeled as to allergens, but again, I don= 't see Kosher labeling. = Mary. = -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Scott Brim Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:30 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far The cheap and good way to go is Cornucopia, which is exactly around the bac= k of the tourist information center. Govinda's is supposed to be good but = it's not central and I haven't been there. The Farm is organic but not vegetarian ... they have some vegetarian entrees. I'm a cheap gu= y so I even bought a veggie burger (takeaway) at Subway on Nassau Street. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 09:15:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336583A69FE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001E3A69FE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:15:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x5PziIksMLb9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.irnic.ir (smtp.irnic.ir [193.189.122.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB433A69FA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irnic.ir (mail.irnic.ir [193.189.122.16]) by smtp.irnic.ir (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6QGFHTT005166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:45:23 +0430 Message-ID: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:44:16 +0330 From: Alireza Saleh User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] clothes X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I checked the weather temperature for Dublin,it was around 19C, but I had no good experience about taking clothes based on these sites. Would it be okay wearing T-shirts ? xn--Alireza _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 09:30:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E989C28C1AE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93C628C1AD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.855 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.855 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPRvSSVgrT5h for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA0C3A6ACE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id BFD0F9497E; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:29:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 24613157ABC; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:26:01 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Alireza Saleh Message-ID: <20080726162601.GA10414@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] clothes X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:44:16PM +0330, Alireza Saleh wrote a message of 11 lines which said: > I checked the weather temperature for Dublin,it was around 19C, but I had > no good experience about taking clothes based on these sites. Would it be > okay wearing T-shirts ? Today, it is quite warm in Dublin and a T-shirt is more than enough. But my experience of Ireland in summer is that it does not last :-) If it is named "the Emerald Isle", it is for a reason :-) Grass does not grow if it never rains :-) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 09:32:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9063A67EE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E2A3A67EE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.343, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.897, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6QDIlRCX8PbW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A3F3A635F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id 4088F29E14D9; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Macintosh-4.local (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF729E14CF; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <488BC1A6.9010308@viagenie.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:30:30 -0700 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alireza Saleh References: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> In-Reply-To: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] clothes X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Alireza Saleh wrote: > I checked the weather temperature for Dublin,it was around 19C, but I > had no good experience about taking clothes based on these sites. Would > it be okay wearing T-shirts ? I've been in Ireland for the last 2 weeks, in Dublin for the last 3 days. - T-shirts are perfectly adapted, as are long-sleeved shirts. - Best friends: a sweater and a waterproof light jacket. - Shorts and sunglasses have been useless so far. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 09:53:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493243A6AC0; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:53:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1070628C1A2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_PHARMACY=1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-1wc+c+cZ-V for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170AF3A6A26 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KMn1S1GFJ-0005o8; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <025801c8ef40$40d22b40$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:54:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19i5M7Gqj4WxUb99zg1dzEfCPoftPL+gFJkr8R O3mV9nAU9CZE2VAvcS3/4ugHQRmpu6hd4lVUu3f3dy17xCYbfr G2TvxYvBAu98vcCcmnoVNgJnX5ok4feS+Vn1meFtCc= Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It wouldn't solve everyone's problems (especially not all at once), but I = found Saggart (down the hotel drive and hang a right, and keep walking past = the church), and then found The Anvil (it's built into the side of the Old = Forge Bed and Breakfast - take a right at the Saggart Pharmacy, and it's = about 100 feet). I can vouch for the the CHICKEN curry - and saw VEGETARIAN curry on the men= u = at the same place. A quick price check - I think the prices at the Anvil are about the same fo= r = dinner as lunch prices are, at the higher-end restaurants at the hotel, but = the Anvil does have a lunch menu, and the lunch curry was about 14 euros, = which I'm remembering being cheaper than the least expensive hotel = restaurants. So walking to Saggart may be worthwhile, but if you need meals that are a = LOT less expensive, the Roma takeway is about the same price range as = McDonalds (and it's next door to the Saggart pharmacy). A seating check - it looks like it holds about 50, which makes reports from = the other dining spots in Saggart more interesting ("another centralized = solution that doesn't scale"). Best wishes and good hunting. Spencer ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Scott Brim" ; <72attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far Cornucopia is also great for folks with allergies - they label things as GF = (Gluten-Free), Yeast Free (YF), Dairy Free (DF), NF (nut free) etc. I'm not = sure about kosher. But it is the best place so far. There is also a little = nicer place "Caf=E9 Fresh" located in the Powerscourt Townhouse shopping = center (3rd floor) that also is all veggie and GF, CF, etc even for = desserts. Powerscourt is just down Johnson's Ct, which is one block North = of Wicklow (Cornucopia). Also, both Dunne's and Mark's and Spencer have food stores in the basement = floors - salads, veggies, houmous, fruits, veggies, etc. - many in = individual servings. They are fairly well labeled as to allergens, but = again, I don't see Kosher labeling. Mary. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Scott Brim Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:30 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far The cheap and good way to go is Cornucopia, which is exactly around the bac= k = of the tourist information center. Govinda's is supposed to be good but = it's not central and I haven't been there. The Farm is organic but not vegetarian ... they have some vegetarian entrees. I'm a cheap gu= y = so I even bought a veggie burger (takeaway) at Subway on Nassau Street. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 09:55:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE2728C1AD; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BFE28C1AD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pL1ycJM920kq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF633A69FE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.146.76.3] ([194.224.26.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6QGsSnU009273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:54:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) References: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> Message-Id: <1439E651-7F66-45B2-B142-E1A2ED5E7046@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Alireza Saleh In-Reply-To: <488B5B68.1000809@nic.ir> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A347) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A347) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:55:18 +0200 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] clothes X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 26 jul 2008, at 19:14, Alireza Saleh wrote: > I checked the weather temperature for Dublin,it was around 19C, but > I had no good experience about taking clothes based on these sites. > Would it be okay wearing T-shirts If you're used to living below 50 degrees north you should probably take a sweater or jacket, with rain and wind 19 isn't all that warm. And it cools down in the evenings. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 10:22:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450C28C1AD; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D27C28C1B7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id udgUjqcHRd06 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7338228C198 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,256,1215388800"; d="scan'208,217";a="58035180" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2008 17:22:51 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6QHMpNo002702 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:51 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6QHMpmB029543 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:22:51 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.188]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:22:32 -0700 Message-ID: <47951CBFA6409B4C8916514FCB05BFBE049A62E2@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Surf? Thread-Index: AcjvRDBhoCSwBHv6QBqoADzOrlPorA== From: "Mike McBride (mmcbride)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2008 17:22:50.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B25B280:01C8EF44] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1068; t=1217092971; x=1217956971; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mmcbride@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Mike=20McBride=20(mmcbride)=22=20 |Subject:=20Surf? |Sender:=20; bh=1QKhnVshh20gUKBUW7oEq7bBCTGNY6Xk/N3+VMuZBmI=; b=GZfMKIaO/p2P2ow1XEZqHxjrprKwGxFlpWM1sq3SV3xq60nS0d/2x8kKZY jDbcRC2zMlkzCqraZMyTvng8dsftT+AiVsVxpE1acBJM5TueXHKzFp9au1Yi sxL/GGeciS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=mmcbride@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Surf? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1028875171==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1028875171== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF44.3AFCE6DE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF44.3AFCE6DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone wants to go searching for a few waves (Bonduran in Donegal?) while in Ireland, please ping me. =20 mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF44.3AFCE6DE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If = anyone wants to=20 go searching for a few waves (Bonduran in Donegal?) while in Ireland, = please=20 ping me.
 
mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF44.3AFCE6DE-- --===============1028875171== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1028875171==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:25:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CBE3A6873; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E723A6873 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pq0XQuDhW4gM for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9550D3A677E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so3766504and.122 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.31.3 with SMTP id e3mr1033991ane.118.1217100345735; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.172.3 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <167dfb9b0807261225g69c76ab3xb10d4a388580af24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:25:45 +0100 From: "Theo Zourzouvillys" To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" In-Reply-To: <20080726140807.GB3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080726121235.1F863285A4A@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com> <20080726140807.GB3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a053a8517d32b86 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I was in >> the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the detachable >> power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room! > Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not detachable. but the TV in my room has a standard 2 pin connector on the back! ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:29:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7594D28C178; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E2128C178 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LtwAE8M77UX0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.smtp.bt.com (smtp3.smtp.bt.com [217.32.164.138]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728D028C162 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from E03MVZ2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.62]) by smtp3.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:29:35 +0100 Received: from 217.32.164.184 ([217.32.164.184]) by E03MVZ2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.120]) via Exchange Front-End Server mail.bt.com ([193.113.197.28]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:29:34 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:29:32 -0600 From: Andrew McLachlan To: Theo Zourzouvillys , Stephane Bortzmeyer Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room Thread-Index: AcjvVWxkc1fjkXEhQfKGeSZxhDU2dgAAIFaL In-Reply-To: <167dfb9b0807261225g69c76ab3xb10d4a388580af24@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2008 19:29:35.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFA44D00:01C8EF55] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1304741716==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1304741716== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3299923773_14203512" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3299923773_14203512 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What is wrong with just bringing an adapter. Do we really need dozens of emails on how to use power in a hotel room and what clothes to wear? On 7/26/08 1:25 PM, "Theo Zourzouvillys" wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer > wrote: > >>> >> The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I was in >>> >> the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the detachable >>> >> power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room! > >> > Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not detachable. > > but the TV in my room has a standard 2 pin connector on the back! > > ~ Theo > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > --B_3299923773_14203512 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room

What is wrong with just bringing an adapter. Do we really need dozens of em= ails on how to use power in a hotel room and what clothes to wear?


On 7/26/08 1:25 PM, "Theo Zourzouvillys" <theo@voip.co.uk> = wrote:

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer &l= t;bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:

>> The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I was i= n
>> the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the det= achable
>> power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room!

> Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not detachable.

but the TV in my room has a standard 2 pin connector on the back!

 ~ Theo
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 --B_3299923773_14203512-- --===============1304741716== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1304741716==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:31:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DAE3A6913; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BDA3A690B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8YrKy7XXSeG for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7233A6858 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.3.114.138] ([166.192.229.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QJVDRn090526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:31:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Message-Id: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> From: Ben Campbell To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A345) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A345) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:30:52 +0100 Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 166.192.229.106 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7837/Sat Jul 26 12:36:44 2008 on shaman.nostrum.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL modem? I'm not getting link. I had a maintenence tech decide something was wrong with the wiring, that it had something to do with the TV, and that he needed another tech to assist, and would come back later. Thanks! Ben. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:34:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36D03A6ABE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286F3A6913 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUZcKvejaPPI for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8653A6A3E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QJYGHu057399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:34:19 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <488B7C38.7060400@bogus.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:16 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Campbell References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7838/Sat Jul 26 18:35:52 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ben Campbell wrote: > Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your > Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL modem? > > I'm not getting link. I had a maintenence tech decide something was > wrong with the wiring, that it had something to do with the TV, and that > he needed another tech to assist, and would come back later. The tv is connected over ip so in fact if you're not getting link on the jack it could be fallout from the tv install... > Thanks! > Ben. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 12:34:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B23A6ADC; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56D33A690B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCn9tvTOjLkZ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152E63A6913 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so3770970and.122 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.228.17 with SMTP id a17mr5456125anh.116.1217100874801; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.172.3 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:34:34 +0100 From: "Theo Zourzouvillys" To: "Ben Campbell" In-Reply-To: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5ccb5cedea751366 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your > Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL modem? Yup, it's fine for me. annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the desk in the room :/ ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 13:05:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CF93A690B; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6253F3A6932 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M47Bw+YexnwN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB1E3A6913 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.7.194] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6QK54mh000216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488B8352.5000908@isi.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:04:34 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Lemon References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org> <488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu> <0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM> <19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: <19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ted Lemon wrote: | There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, | including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. | I haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. | | Tallaght is a short cab ride or long walk from the hotel. Short = 14 EU each way, i.e., that's quite a high tax for going out for dinner - even with 3 in the taxi. FWIW. Joe | On Jul 26, 2008, at 6:18 AM, john+ietf@jck.com wrote: | |> |> |> --On Friday, 25 July, 2008 22:41 -0700 Joe Touch |> wrote: |> |>> Ray Pelletier wrote: |>> | All, |>> | Limited entertainment, eating opportunity in Citywest, |>> Saggart. |>> | Although some are enjoying the golf. |>> | - |>> | |>> http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/Home-News/food-and-drink/loca |>> l-food-and-drink |>> |>> *limited* eating? |>> |>> Of the restaurants, only 2 serve dinner within a typical |>> per-diem; the |>> rest will set you back over $50+ USD per person. |>> |>> Getting out to other food requires a taxi (50 EU round trip, |>> and around |>> 2 hours to burn on travel). There are no city centers (even |>> modest |>> suburban ones) nearby; Dublin is the closest. |>> |>> For lunch, there are NO feasible alternate options. |>> |>> For dinner, the bulk of 1,000+ people will need to board the |>> 8pm shuttle |>> to make it out in time for the last return. I hope it's a |>> *BIG* bus. |> |> Joe, |> |> While Ray and the Secretariat have been able to work some small |> miracles at past meetings and I have every hope that they will |> do so again (e.g., that *BIG* bus), I'm coming to realize that |> the more general problem is that we are not getting sufficient |> information, far enough in advance, to make informed decisions |> about whether attending a particular meeting is, e.g., |> economically plausible. From my point of view, IAOC has been |> repeatedly told by the community that it is important to keep |> total cost of attendance within reasonable limits and has agreed |> to that as a goal. Opinions will undoubtedly differ as to |> whether they are succeeding or not, with part of the difference |> being between those for whom the limits are associated with |> costs over a year and those for whom particular limits like per |> diems are important. |> |> I think that leads to a somewhat different suggestion than those |> I've heard made before. It would involve some additional costs, |> but, averaged out over the group of us, I assume they would be |> trivial. Independent of what calculations and tradeoffs go into |> the site selection decisions, I think we should see, more or |> less at the time of announcements of hotel reservation |> availability, some realistic numbers about |> |> -- registration fee |> |> -- cost and time for getting from airport to hotel in a |> reasonable way (direct buses/coaches, trains to within |> short walking distance or a train/short cab ride |> combination, and taxis are reasonable; multiple |> low-frequency coach connections that terminate some |> kilometers away are not) |> |> -- any costs associated with getting from the designated |> hotel to and from the meeting site (when they are not |> the same) and between the designated hotels and |> recommended alternate hotels (if they are not in very |> easy walking distance). Shuttles are very helpful |> (and, again, we should know about them months in |> advance, not days), but we do enough of our important |> business in late-night bar BOFs and the like that it is |> necessary to assume that they will not always be |> available. |> |> -- realistic cost of eating three reasonable meals a |> day, adjusted for the "everyone has to eat at once" |> factor. For example, if it is possible for one or two |> hundred people to eat at low cost but everyone else is |> going to be forced into higher cost options, I'd expect |> more information than would be the case if one assumed |> that one could put 1000+ people into 200 seats. |> |> -- at the risk of being facetious, the price of a beer |> in the hotel. |> |> -- and, of course, the details about indoor and outdoor |> air quality, construction, and so on that have been |> discussed many times before. |> |> I assume others could add to that list, but you get the idea. |> Repeating a theme from a different area, the problem is less |> what the decisions are but the surprises when it is to late to |> do anything about them. IETF participants should have enough |> information before registering and booking flights and |> accommodations to make informed decisions about whether a |> particular meeting is feasible for them or whether it is |> necessary to participate remotely. |> |> john |> |> |> _______________________________________________ |> 72attendees mailing list |> 72attendees@ietf.org |> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiLg1IACgkQE5f5cImnZruUhgCg903hunvT8uDp3xxbbFwJegfM LvsAn34IHM8lTLtw4N5m02P5e2QgHvu9 =J+OC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 13:13:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEC33A690B; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66793A690B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kk3PuFT2TD2o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (maila.microsoft.com [131.107.115.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4273A67E1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tk1-exhub-c102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.46.186) by TK5-EXGWY-E801.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.251.2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:32 -0700 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C111.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.61.138]) by tk1-exhub-c102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.46.186]) with mapi; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:32 -0700 From: Claudia Galvan To: Theo Zourzouvillys , Ben Campbell Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:13:29 -0700 Thread-Topic: [72attendees] In-room network Thread-Index: AcjvVqi5vI4maXhpRUGgAldIRFdglQABTR1w Message-ID: References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It is working for me now with the cable out of the wall, the hotel technician had to home to the room and wiggle the cable behind the to make it work. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Theo Zourzouvillys Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:35 PM To: Ben Campbell Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your > Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL modem? Yup, it's fine for me. annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the desk in the room :/ ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 13:34:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2363A6A8C; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285573A6A8C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qLp6LfD7nwtM for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.bredband2.net (mail.bredband2.net [82.209.166.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E313A6A6A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7848 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2008 20:37:11 -0000 Received: from mkb-128-158-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com (HELO tim.hack.org) ([82.209.158.128]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.bredband2.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <72attendees@ietf.org>; 26 Jul 2008 20:37:11 -0000 Received: from mc by tim.hack.org with local id 1KMqTU-0001xx-W1 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:34:44 +0200 From: Michael Widerkrantz To: 72attendees@ietf.org Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:34:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> (Scott Brim's message of "Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:29:31 +0100") Message-ID: <868wvotme3.fsf@tim.hack.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I took the liberty of compiling some of the knowledge about veg food at the IETF 72 in a web page: http://hack.org/mc/vegietf.html I'm a vegan myself. If there are any other vegans coming to Dublin, mail me offlist and perhaps we can go look for food together. -- M.C. Widerkrantz http://hack.org/mc/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 14:04:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455183A6987; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854FF3A6878 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVtqRIvSK3xH for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-in03.nouzelle.com (mx-in01.nouzelle.com [87.119.194.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7913A67D6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (internal02.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF32340B529; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7C62AC4F1; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:04:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id g+dVdEapRLAH; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:03:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ArnoudMobile (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694D12AC5B7; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:04:01 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Claudia Galvan'" , "'Theo Zourzouvillys'" , "'Ben Campbell'" References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: <005201c8ef63$22430f00$66c92d00$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjvVqi5vI4maXhpRUGgAldIRFdglQABTR1wAAHHNUA= Content-Language: nl Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org And well nice is also that there is a hair dryer installed next to the DSL socket. So if you spill tea, coffee or other drink over your laptop. You can dry it :-) /Arnoud -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Claudia Galvan Sent: zaterdag 26 juli 2008 21:13 To: Theo Zourzouvillys; Ben Campbell Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network It is working for me now with the cable out of the wall, the hotel technician had to home to the room and wiggle the cable behind the to make it work. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Theo Zourzouvillys Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:35 PM To: Ben Campbell Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your > Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL modem? Yup, it's fine for me. annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the desk in the room :/ ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 14:06:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2903A6A72; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76EF28C118 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TiTK-avu5-67 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-in03.nouzelle.com (mx-in01.nouzelle.com [87.119.194.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54E53A6987 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (internal02.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AB340B4A5; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA0B2AC4F3; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:06:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vBb7SG1TmgeQ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:06:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ArnoudMobile (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03942AC5B7; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:06:06 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Andrew McLachlan'" , "'Theo Zourzouvillys'" , "'Stephane Bortzmeyer'" References: <167dfb9b0807261225g69c76ab3xb10d4a388580af24@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:06:07 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c8ef63$6ced7040$46c850c0$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjvVWxkc1fjkXEhQfKGeSZxhDU2dgAAIFaLAANW+ZA= Content-Language: nl Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1876610884==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1876610884== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C8EF6B.CEB1D840" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C8EF6B.CEB1D840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know..us geeks want to make things that can be done simple just complicated. So we can say later KISS KISS use adapter. J /A From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew McLachlan Sent: zaterdag 26 juli 2008 20:30 To: Theo Zourzouvillys; Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room What is wrong with just bringing an adapter. Do we really need dozens of emails on how to use power in a hotel room and what clothes to wear? On 7/26/08 1:25 PM, "Theo Zourzouvillys" wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I was in >> the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the detachable >> power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room! > Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not detachable. but the TV in my room has a standard 2 pin connector on the back! ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C8EF6B.CEB1D840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room

You know..us geeks want to make things that can be done = simple just complicated.

So we can say later KISS KISS use adapter. J

 

/A

 

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew = McLachlan
Sent: zaterdag 26 juli 2008 20:30
To: Theo Zourzouvillys; Stephane Bortzmeyer
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in = room

 



What is wrong with just bringing an adapter. Do we really need dozens of = emails on how to use power in a hotel room and what clothes to wear?


On 7/26/08 1:25 PM, "Theo Zourzouvillys" = <theo@voip.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM, = Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:

>> The comment on kettle cords reminded me that the last time I = was in
>> the UK for a period of time, I simply "borrowed" the detachable
>> power cord from the tea kettle in my hotel room!

> Does not work in the Citywest Hotel, the cord is not = detachable.

but the TV in my room has a standard 2 pin connector on the back!

 ~ Theo
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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C8EF6B.CEB1D840-- --===============1876610884== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1876610884==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 14:33:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453B93A69A2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48D53A6ABF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GeLLmxZKlvsj for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6553A68A1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.152] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6QLWCRk009451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <025801c8ef40$40d22b40$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org> <025801c8ef40$40d22b40$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:25:27 +0100 To: <72attendees@ietf.org> From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 on the Anvil. I too had chicken, but if the veges that came with it are any indication of how good their vege fare is, you will enjoy it (modulo the sticker shock if you're an American). Friendly service and wonderful food. NOTE HOWEVER: they really want reservations for dinner, particularly if you're showing up after 7;30. I talked to the server about what to expect from IETFers, and she assured me they are happy to have us, but they often fill up on reservations after 8:00 during this part of the summer. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 14:52:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CCD3A6AD4; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA02A3A6841 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.400, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46WJ3Qc-2Ypu for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92FB3A6ABF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KMrgJ4BPg-0005u0; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:52:06 -0400 Message-ID: <048b01c8ef69$f809b750$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <4889B91B.90706@employees.org><025801c8ef40$40d22b40$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:52:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XBKGpWm81iiEZN/x/FaRQvLSgYu9JCZZ1b84 pJlRfYp3StcUtbYFkZYL9Lub+0O9wUabZmB8bWij9EWrwFqGWo dgNbtqZcpsmt+URABZ2WVkuNRkYJ7SHZ+J5+h7mlmk= Subject: Re: [72attendees] vegetarian in Dublin, so far X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I should also mention that the Anvil is closed on Sundays... probably good to check that for other places, too. Spencer > +1 on the Anvil. I too had chicken, but if the veges that came with it are > any indication of how good their vege fare is, you will enjoy it (modulo > the sticker shock if you're an American). Friendly service and wonderful > food. > > NOTE HOWEVER: they really want reservations for dinner, particularly if > you're showing up after 7;30. I talked to the server about what to expect > from IETFers, and she assured me they are happy to have us, but they often > fill up on reservations after 8:00 during this part of the summer. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 16:25:51 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0A63A6825; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:25:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CBF3A6825 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:25:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.594 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.594 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gEoiSZwQs33p for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAD33A67F9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F344A198723; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:25:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E9E1986A4; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:25:52 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <488BB280.3090003@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:25:52 +0100 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo Zourzouvillys References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > Yup, it's fine for me. > > annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the > desk in the room :/ Works for me too, and for a change there are no silly login screens to go through. It just works. And I'm annoyed that I forgot my WRT54G*L*. Jari _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 00:55:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676E33A689D; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F613A6843 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.415, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHntaGwWsqDB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074CA3A685F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id BDCB294A91; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:55:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F869157D84; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:54:09 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andrew McLachlan Message-ID: <20080727075409.GA9862@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <167dfb9b0807261225g69c76ab3xb10d4a388580af24@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Power in Dublin - kettle cord in room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 01:29:32PM -0600, Andrew McLachlan wrote a message of 83 lines which said: > What is wrong with just bringing an adapter. For those who forgot, electrical adapters are sold at the hotel shop (the one near the reception, where most of the articles are about golf). _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 02:52:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8B3A689D; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616BC3A689D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RGWMTy2DxYbk for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net (gateout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.21]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492A33A687F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateout01 (gwsmtp.usa.net [165.212.65.102]) by gateout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C804CC866; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout01 via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.44O) with ESMTP id XID922mgAJ1y9117Xo1; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:52:24 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN ldusseault@commerce.net GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID922mgAJ1y9117Xo1 Received: from lisa.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.23.68]) by GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:52:23 -0600 Message-Id: From: Lisa Dusseault To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:52:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 09:52:24.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[78649BE0:01C8EFCE] Subject: [72attendees] Daytrip to Birr Castle: largest telescope from 1845 to 1917 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org A nice drive out of Dublin (1.5 to 2 hrs) is Birr historic town and the Birr Castle Demesne. Of particular interest to this crowd, I suspect, is a spectacular telescope on the castle grounds. It was built by the 3rd Earl of Rosse and attracted scientific visitors from around the world. As soon as it was functional the Earl started to identify various nebulae as distant galaxies, resolving astronomical disputes of the time. He painstakingly and accurately drew what he saw (pre-photography!) and some of his drawings are also on view. The telescope was restored in the 90s after decades of disuse and can even be used today though it's not moved often. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birr_Castle I didn't get time yesterday to look at everything I wanted to see, but there's a historic science museum with the drawings, plus we heard praise for the formal garden from other visitors, and the historic town sounds interesting too, so it might be worthwhile planning for several hours in Birr if you go to see the telescope. The castle visitor center has a cafe with nice big mugs of cappucino and lunch or snack food. To get there, travel west on M7 to Port Laoise. From there, consider heading off the main highway onto the forest roads through the Slieve Bloom -- head through Mountrath and over the mountains to Kinnitty which is just a few km from Birr. Many walking paths and picnic areas all over the Slieve Bloom, and although we quickly got lost it was no big deal -- we just kept driving until we found a wider road then a town. http://www.slievebloom.ie/ Lisa _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 03:33:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1263A68D8; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873763A68D8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79nOQeqXEp9q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og102.obsmtp.com (exprod7og102.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.157]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3513A68D0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob102.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:31:56 PDT Received: from antipi.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.34]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:32:03 -0700 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by antipi.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:32:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:31:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? Thread-Index: Acjv0+rDTtqpKsrbQAefayPX1bU3og== From: "Thomas Walsh" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 10:32:02.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[0203D550:01C8EFD4] Subject: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0469943030==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0469943030== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EFD3.EB900066" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EFD3.EB900066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in joining with others of similar interests. She is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other cultural highlights. 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My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in joining = with others of similar interests.  She is primarily interested in = visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other cultural highlights.  If others would be = interested in going as a group, let me know. =  Thanks.

 

Tom Walsh

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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org All - I wanted to let you know we are running the second part of our IPv6 transition demo at IETF72. This time we are using the SSID "ietf- cgnat." Behind this SSID is what is known as "softwires NAT" (SNAT) technology. We'll be discussing the technology in the softwire WG Monday morning 0900-1130. Although there won't be a disruption of IPv4 this IETF, the demo will be running through Wednesday. Please remember this is a demo and although we attempted to make it as solid as possible, your mileage may vary. We are very interesting in getting your feedback. Many thanks -DWard _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 03:41:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8763A68DA; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05E328C100 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxF5Ia3qG+qd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (smtp.microsoft.com [131.107.115.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C4D3A68DA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tk5-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.88.97) by TK5-EXGWY-E802.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.251.2; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:07 -0700 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C111.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.61.138]) by tk5-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.88.97]) with mapi; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:07 -0700 From: Claudia Galvan To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:41:05 -0700 Thread-Topic: Affordable food around the corner Thread-Index: Acjv1UVbnluTM8KSRoCNXw33QRwpKw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] Affordable food around the corner X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0851510250==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0851510250== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CEA830F70DC06942A90012BFD7A5EDC91CEE464F21NAEXMSGC111re_" --_000_CEA830F70DC06942A90012BFD7A5EDC91CEE464F21NAEXMSGC111re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you just want to get food to go SUPER affordable, take a right at the en= trance of the resort and walk for about 5-7 minutes, pass the church on the= left and passing the pub on the right there is a small grocery store with = tons of food and cheap wine. For a plush experience go to Avoca, another 10 minute walk, there is a sign= at the corner passing the small grocery store. On your way back you can pick in the cemetery (arch with cross, super spook= y! Have fun! claudia --_000_CEA830F70DC06942A90012BFD7A5EDC91CEE464F21NAEXMSGC111re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you just want to get food to go SUPER affordable, t= ake a right at the entrance of the resort and walk for about 5-7 minutes, pass th= e church on the left and passing the pub on the right there is a small grocery store with tons of food and cheap wine.

 

For a plush experience go to Avoca, another 10 minute = walk, there is a sign at the corner passing the small grocery store.

 

On your way back you can pick in the cemetery (arch wi= th cross, super spooky!

 

Have fun!

 

claudia

--_000_CEA830F70DC06942A90012BFD7A5EDC91CEE464F21NAEXMSGC111re_-- --===============0851510250== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0851510250==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 03:43:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D241B3A68DA; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658A03A6918 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KiDP3kOJBtlU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3553A68BF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 (s73602.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.81]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KN3ix1ryG-0004SD; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <059f01c8efd5$bd5b9f30$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:44:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+P7EOElGLStztnKlRnVlJkBEmv6vK/TOkQXYU YqLxDgPGWhmeUDoRrmTVeN/VC5XfZ4thJQ3eQCu62kGxJ7Bgl4 SOPO/di5KwU9zNP68JroJDXFj8oSq/a707wd16qTYA= Subject: Re: [72attendees] Affordable food around the corner X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0647233996==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0647233996== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_059C_01C8EFAB.D2C5BEC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_059C_01C8EFAB.D2C5BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the supermarket is next to the roma grill, and also has hot food in the = back of the store... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Claudia Galvan=20 To: 72attendees@ietf.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:41 AM Subject: [72attendees] Affordable food around the corner If you just want to get food to go SUPER affordable, take a right at = the entrance of the resort and walk for about 5-7 minutes, pass the = church on the left and passing the pub on the right there is a small = grocery store with tons of food and cheap wine. =20 For a plush experience go to Avoca, another 10 minute walk, there is a = sign at the corner passing the small grocery store. =20 On your way back you can pick in the cemetery (arch with cross, super = spooky! =20 Have fun! =20 claudia -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------=_NextPart_000_059C_01C8EFAB.D2C5BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the supermarket is next to the roma = grill, and also=20 has hot food in the back of the store...
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If you just want to get food to go SUPER = affordable, take a=20 right at the entrance of the resort and walk for about 5-7 minutes, = pass the=20 church on the left and passing the pub on the right there is a small = grocery=20 store with tons of food and cheap wine.

 

For a plush experience go to Avoca, another 10 = minute walk,=20 there is a sign at the corner passing the small grocery = store.

 

On your way back you can pick in the cemetery = (arch with=20 cross, super spooky!

 

Have fun!

 

claudia

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Thread-Index: Acjv1EjPRQtb3i5HTyeHJv5HH955BwADHZn3 References: <62B1ADF0-B496-4123-98E2-EC7D230D1EBE@cisco.com> From: To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 12:04:28.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC554F0:01C8EFE0] Subject: Re: [72attendees] What is ietf-cgnat? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org FYI, I used it today and everything ok. I didn't know what was it about. I just tried to connect to and it worked fine for me. Alejandro, ________________________________ De: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de David Ward Enviado el: dom 27/07/2008 11:33 Para: 72attendees@ietf.org Asunto: [72attendees] What is ietf-cgnat? All - I wanted to let you know we are running the second part of our IPv6 transition demo at IETF72. This time we are using the SSID "ietf- cgnat." Behind this SSID is what is known as "softwires NAT" (SNAT) technology. We'll be discussing the technology in the softwire WG Monday morning 0900-1130. Although there won't be a disruption of IPv4 this IETF, the demo will be running through Wednesday. Please remember this is a demo and although we attempted to make it as solid as possible, your mileage may vary. We are very interesting in getting your feedback. Many thanks -DWard _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 06:09:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E368E3A683D; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DDD3A6812 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.614 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.614 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlZoa+5aPqjH for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F28E3A6936 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.251.250] (cg-nat-130-129-48-98.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.48.98]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7873308451; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:09:25 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <98EEC7E5-9852-4411-B983-D7E14862533F@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: David Ward In-Reply-To: <62B1ADF0-B496-4123-98E2-EC7D230D1EBE@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:09:18 +0100 References: <62B1ADF0-B496-4123-98E2-EC7D230D1EBE@cisco.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] What is ietf-cgnat? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0649402574==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0649402574== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-16-486273650" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-16-486273650 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-486273609 --Apple-Mail-15-486273609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit david, shouldn't I be getting an IPv6 address too in that network? regards Roque On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:33 AM, David Ward wrote: > All - > > I wanted to let you know we are running the second part of our IPv6 > transition demo at IETF72. This time we are using the SSID "ietf- > cgnat." Behind this SSID is what is known as "softwires NAT" (SNAT) > technology. We'll be discussing the technology in the softwire WG > Monday morning 0900-1130. Although there won't be a disruption of > IPv4 this IETF, the demo will be running through Wednesday. > > Please remember this is a demo and although we attempted to make it > as solid as possible, your mileage may vary. We are very > interesting in getting your feedback. > > Many thanks > > -DWard > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Apple-Mail-15-486273609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All = -

I wanted to let you know we are running the second part of our = IPv6 transition demo at IETF72. This time we are using the SSID = "ietf-cgnat." Behind this SSID is what is known as "softwires NAT" = (SNAT) technology. We'll be discussing the technology in the softwire WG = Monday morning 0900-1130. Although there won't be a disruption of IPv4 = this IETF, the demo will be running through Wednesday.

Please = remember this is a demo and although we attempted to make it as solid as = possible, your mileage may  vary. We are very interesting in = getting your feedback.

Many = thanks

-DWard
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boundary="===============0667942829==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0667942829== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8EFEB.E7923B93" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EFEB.E7923B93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to IETF 72!=20 This message includes network, helpdesk and printing information. It = also includes a list of people who did the heavy lifting of putting this = network together. The latest information can be accessed at: = http://noc.meeting.ietf.org/wiki/TerminalRoom. =20 The meeting rooms, common areas, restaurants and lounges are all covered = by the wireless a/b/g/n network. There is also a terminal room = available with printers, desks, chairs, power and wired ports in the = pre-conference area. Wireless and terminal room networks have both IPv4 = and IPv6 connectivity. The in-room network is wired, 100 Mbps ethernet. = The in-room network is also connected into our WAN connectivity and is = quite quick. I hope everyone has an excellent and enjoyable meeting here in Dublin! Andrew IETF 72 - Dublin, Ireland Terminal Room The Terminal Room is located in the Conference Center on the ground = floor of the CityWest Hotel next to the registration desk and is open 24 = hours a day beginning at 4pm on Sunday, July 27th and ending at 12 noon = on Friday, August 1st. A help desk is being provided and will be manned the following hours: Sunday 4:00 PM to 8:00 PM Monday 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM Tuesday 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM Wednesday 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM Thursday 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM Friday 8:00 AM to 12:00 PM The space itself consists of approximately 100 seats and 70 are wired = for 10/100/1000 Ethernet access. Power is provided via 220v British = standard BS1363 ports. There are also two duplex b&w printers available. = Please note that there are NO terminals, you must provide your own = laptop. This space is a place to get power, wired Internet access, = access to printers, and help desk support. When using the Ethernet connections in the Terminal Room, IPv4 = addressing is provided via DHCP. Please use Dynamic Auto-configuration = for IPv6. NOC and Ticketing=20 If you need to report a problem to the NOC, either stop by the help desk = located in the terminal room, or send an email to help@=85 to generate a = ticket. Issues can also be reported via the web-based front end to the = ticketing system found at: http://meeting.ietf.org (trac). You can also = use trac to review outstanding tickets before reporting an issue or to = update outstanding tickets. Network Basics=20 The IETF 72 network connects to the Internet via two links from Eircom. = The entire event is addressed out of the 130.129.0.0/16 block for IPv4 = and 2001:df8::/32 for IPv6. Wireless An 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless network is being provided liberally on the = CityWest campus. Areas specifically covered are the meeting rooms and = hallways in the conference area, as well as many public areas including = the lobby/lounge/restaurant/barspaces at both the CityWest and CityWest = Golf hotels. To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for = 802.11a/b/g/n and "ietf-a" for 802.11a/n. IPv4 addressing is provided = via DHCP. IPv6 clients may use DHCPv6 or Dynamic Auto-configuration. For those interested in more link-layer security, a WPA SSID with 802.1x = is available. The SSIDs are "ietf.1x" and "ietf-a.1x". Do not use = WPA-PSK as that will not work. To use 802.1x: 1. Associate to SSID: ietf.1x OR ietf-a.1x 2. Use PEAP/MSCHAPv2 3. Do Not Verify Server Cert and we won't verify yours :) 4. Username (case sensitive): ietf1x or ietf.1x 5. Password (case sensitive): ietf1x or ietf.1x=20 There is another SSID, with no IPv4 service available, for = experimentation with IPv6. This SSID is "ietf-v6ONLY". The proper operation of the wireless network requires the assistance of = all users. One of the most significant issues with wireless performance = in past IETF meetings has been wireless clients automatically, or = accidentally initiating "ad-hoc" networks that act as the official IETF = wireless network, causing other users to associate with false IETF = wireless networks. Therefore, please disable your client's ability to = create an ad-hoc network and as well as the ability to automatically = join an ad-hoc network. If you are using Windows XP or Mac OS X 10.4 and = 10.5 to manage your wireless client, the instructions to disable = creation of ad-hoc networks are listed below. If you are using other = systems, please do whatever your particular wireless client management = system requires to turn off ad-hoc networks. Instructions for Mac OS X 1. Open System Preferences -> Network -> Airport -> Options 2. Un-check the box for "Create Computer-to-Computer networks".=20 Instructions for Windows XP=20 1. Open Properties -> wireless networks -> advanced 2. select "access point (infrastructure) networks only" 3. unselect "automatically connect to non-preferred networks".=20 Guest Rooms in the CityWest Hotel=20 While the guest rooms are being provided private IPv4 addresses via the = hotel's normal guest network, the IETF network is providing an uplink = for the additional bandwidth. Printing Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to all = IETF users. The printers themselves are: printer1.meeting.ietf.org (a.k.a. printerred.meeting.ietf.org) : = 130.129.48.94 printer2.meeting.ietf.org (a.k.a. printerblue.meeting.ietf.org) : = 130.129.48.95 printer1 is an HP 4345mfp (the big grey one). This printer can also = copy. printer2 is an HP 4300 (the smaller off-white one). Both printers are bonjour discoverable, if you're on the wired net = (different from the hotel room net.) Instructions for Mac OS X 1. Open System Preferences -> Print & Fax -> "+" below printer list 2. Enter "printer1.meeting.ietf.org" or "printer2.meeting.ietf.org" = in the Address field. Leave the Queue field blank. 3. Print using hp4345mfp (printer1) or hp4300 drivers (printer2) 4. Click Add=20 Instructions for Windows XP 1. Start -> Printers & Faxes --> Add Printer 2. Select "Connect to a Printer on the Internet" 3. Enter "http://printer1.meeting.ietf.org" or = "http://printer2.meeting.ietf.org" in the field. 4. Windows may or may not have the correct HP 4345mfp or 4300 driver. = However, fear not! The HP 4100 PS driver that ships with XP SP2 has been = confirmed to work with both printer1 and printer2.=20 Services The following network services are provided: * SMTP =96 smtp.meeting.ietf.org o SMTP relay services are provided for users on the IETF = network.=20 * NTP - ntp.meeting.ietf.org o Stratum 2 time service is provided via IPv4 and IPv6 = unicast.=20 Additionally, full recursive DNS service is being provided from = 130.129.5.5 and 2001:df8:0:5::5, which is backed by two servers in a = redundant HA configuration. Our domain name is meeting.ietf.org. Thanks The terminal room and IETF network are made possible by the generous = contributions by a number of companies and by the tireless efforts of = our volunteer team. If you see any of these people in the halls, please = be sure to thank them for all their work! Host: Alcatel-Lucent: * Andrew Lange * Patrick Lynchehaun * Lieven Levrau * Catherine Kearney * Lynda Foley * Crystal Dart * Amanda Tisdall=20 Trinity: * Stephen Farrell * Stefan Weber * Warren Kenny * Guoxian Yang * Alex McMahon * Darragh O'Keefe=20 Eircom: * Ross Chandler * Paul McDonnell * Paul O'Connell * Brian Dillon * Mairead Dwyer * Peter Ledwidge=20 HEANET: * Dave Wilson=20 IETF Volunteers: * Chris Elliot * Bill Fenner * Joel Jaeggli * Bill Jensen * Lucy Lynch * Jim Martin * Rob Nagy * Karen Odonoghue=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EFEB.E7923B93 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome and Network Information

Welcome to IETF 72!

This message includes network, helpdesk and printing information. It = also includes a list of people who did the heavy lifting of putting this = network together. The latest information can be accessed at: http://noc.meeting= .ietf.org/wiki/TerminalRoom. 

The meeting rooms, common areas, restaurants and lounges are all covered = by the wireless a/b/g/n network.  There is also a terminal room = available with printers, desks, chairs, power and wired ports in the = pre-conference area.  Wireless and terminal room networks have both = IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity. The in-room network is wired, 100 Mbps = ethernet.  The in-room network is also connected into our WAN = connectivity and is quite quick.

I hope everyone has an excellent and enjoyable meeting here in = Dublin!

Andrew


IETF 72 - Dublin, Ireland
Terminal Room

The Terminal Room is located in the Conference Center on the ground = floor of the CityWest Hotel next to the registration desk and is open 24 = hours a day beginning at 4pm on Sunday, July 27th and ending at 12 noon = on Friday, August 1st.

A help desk is being provided and will be manned the following = hours:
Sunday          4:00 PM to 8:00 = PM
Monday          8:00 AM to 8:00 = PM
Tuesday         8:00 AM to 6:00 = PM
Wednesday       8:00 AM to 8:00 PM
Thursday        8:00 AM to 8:00 PM
Friday          8:00 AM to 12:00 = PM

The space itself consists of approximately 100 seats and 70 are wired = for 10/100/1000 Ethernet access. Power is provided via 220v British = standard BS1363 ports. There are also two duplex b&w printers = available. Please note that there are NO terminals, you must provide = your own laptop. This space is a place to get power, wired Internet = access, access to printers, and help desk support.

When using the Ethernet connections in the Terminal Room, IPv4 = addressing is provided via DHCP. Please use Dynamic Auto-configuration = for IPv6.

NOC and Ticketing

If you need to report a problem to the NOC, either stop by the help desk = located in the terminal room, or send an email to help@… to = generate a ticket. Issues can also be reported via the web-based front = end to the ticketing system found at: http://meeting.ietf.org (trac). You = can also use trac to review outstanding tickets before reporting an = issue or to update outstanding tickets.

Network Basics

The IETF 72 network connects to the Internet via two links from Eircom. = The entire event is addressed out of the 130.129.0.0/16 block for IPv4 = and 2001:df8::/32 for IPv6.

Wireless

An 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless network is being provided liberally on the = CityWest campus. Areas specifically covered are the meeting rooms and = hallways in the conference area, as well as many public areas including = the lobby/lounge/restaurant/barspaces at both the CityWest and CityWest = Golf hotels.

To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of = "ietf" for 802.11a/b/g/n and "ietf-a" for 802.11a/n. = IPv4 addressing is provided via DHCP. IPv6 clients may use DHCPv6 or = Dynamic Auto-configuration.

For those interested in more link-layer security, a WPA SSID with 802.1x = is available. The SSIDs are "ietf.1x" and = "ietf-a.1x". Do not use WPA-PSK as that will not work.

To use 802.1x:

   1. Associate to SSID: ietf.1x OR ietf-a.1x
   2. Use PEAP/MSCHAPv2
   3. Do Not Verify Server Cert and we won't verify yours = :)
   4. Username (case sensitive): ietf1x or ietf.1x
   5. Password (case sensitive): ietf1x or ietf.1x

There is another SSID, with no IPv4 service available, for = experimentation with IPv6. This SSID is "ietf-v6ONLY".

The proper operation of the wireless network requires the assistance of = all users. One of the most significant issues with wireless performance = in past IETF meetings has been wireless clients automatically, or = accidentally initiating "ad-hoc" networks that act as the = official IETF wireless network, causing other users to associate with = false IETF wireless networks. Therefore, please disable your client's = ability to create an ad-hoc network and as well as the ability to = automatically join an ad-hoc network. If you are using Windows XP or Mac = OS X 10.4 and 10.5 to manage your wireless client, the instructions to = disable creation of ad-hoc networks are listed below. If you are using = other systems, please do whatever your particular wireless client = management system requires to turn off ad-hoc networks.
Instructions for Mac OS X

   1. Open System Preferences -> Network -> Airport = -> Options
   2. Un-check the box for "Create Computer-to-Computer = networks".

Instructions for Windows XP

   1. Open Properties -> wireless networks -> = advanced
   2. select "access point (infrastructure) networks = only"
   3. unselect "automatically connect to non-preferred = networks".

Guest Rooms in the CityWest Hotel

While the guest rooms are being provided private IPv4 addresses via the = hotel's normal guest network, the IETF network is providing an uplink = for the additional bandwidth.

Printing

Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to all = IETF users. The printers themselves are:

printer1.meeting.ietf.org (a.k.a. printerred.meeting.ietf.org) : = 130.129.48.94
printer2.meeting.ietf.org (a.k.a. printerblue.meeting.ietf.org) : = 130.129.48.95

printer1 is an HP 4345mfp (the big grey one). This printer can also = copy.
printer2 is an HP 4300 (the smaller off-white one).

Both printers are bonjour discoverable, if you're on the wired net = (different from the hotel room net.)
Instructions for Mac OS X

   1. Open System Preferences -> Print & Fax -> = "+" below printer list
   2. Enter "printer1.meeting.ietf.org" or = "printer2.meeting.ietf.org" in the Address field. Leave the = Queue field blank.
   3. Print using hp4345mfp (printer1) or hp4300 drivers = (printer2)
   4. Click Add

Instructions for Windows XP

   1. Start -> Printers & Faxes --> Add Printer
   2. Select "Connect to a Printer on the = Internet"
   3. Enter "http://printer1.meeting.ietf.or= g" or "http://printer2.meeting.ietf.or= g" in the field.
   4. Windows may or may not have the correct HP 4345mfp or = 4300 driver. However, fear not! The HP 4100 PS driver that ships with XP = SP2 has been confirmed to work with both printer1 and printer2.

Services

The following network services are provided:

    * SMTP – smtp.meeting.ietf.org
          o SMTP relay = services are provided for users on the IETF network.
    * NTP - ntp.meeting.ietf.org
          o Stratum 2 time = service is provided via IPv4 and IPv6 unicast.

Additionally, full recursive DNS service is being provided from = 130.129.5.5 and 2001:df8:0:5::5, which is backed by two servers in a = redundant HA configuration. Our domain name is meeting.ietf.org.

Thanks

The terminal room and IETF network are made possible by the generous = contributions by a number of companies and by the tireless efforts of = our volunteer team. If you see any of these people in the halls, please = be sure to thank them for all their work!

Host:

Alcatel-Lucent:

    * Andrew Lange
    * Patrick Lynchehaun
    * Lieven Levrau
    * Catherine Kearney
    * Lynda Foley
    * Crystal Dart
    * Amanda Tisdall

Trinity:

    * Stephen Farrell
    * Stefan Weber
    * Warren Kenny
    * Guoxian Yang
    * Alex McMahon
    * Darragh O'Keefe

Eircom:

    * Ross Chandler
    * Paul McDonnell
    * Paul O'Connell
    * Brian Dillon
    * Mairead Dwyer
    * Peter Ledwidge

HEANET:

    * Dave Wilson

IETF Volunteers:

    * Chris Elliot
    * Bill Fenner
    * Joel Jaeggli
    * Bill Jensen
    * Lucy Lynch
    * Jim Martin
    * Rob Nagy
    * Karen Odonoghue

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Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:43:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthijs@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <488CA591.7050105@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:57 +0100 From: Matthijs Mekking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080502) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roque Gagliano References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As a soccer fan: +1 Matthijs Roque Gagliano wrote: > People, > > As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at the hotel so > I was wondering if we have quorum for a late soccer game wed or thursday > after the plenaries as the sun light is still with us until late. > > Roque _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIjKWRIXqNzxRs6egRAsiWAJ9n25pqTiPtVetpjMC/G2w2vlnTVgCcDfDp LmEXjpnTI3n/HDECFWFyh8E= =RnUF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:14:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205E53A693A; 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Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:14:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <01216870-7D11-40B4-AB8E-C5CC8AD1A9FA@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: LANGE Andrew In-Reply-To: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6A@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:14:40 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6A@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Welcome and Network Information X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 27 jul 2008, at 14:23, LANGE Andrew wrote: > To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for > 802.11a/b/g/n > 802.11n, excellent! > Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to > all IETF users. The printers themselves are: > Until what time can we expect the printers to be available on Friday? (For the purpose of printing boarding passes for flights on Saturday, which is possible as of some time on Friday.) Thanks, Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:22:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789D23A6918; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3E53A6918 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CSlUHpCLkpdo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (hiroshima.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AA13A680B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6REMSjx016148; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m6REMSiW016145; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: <01216870-7D11-40B4-AB8E-C5CC8AD1A9FA@muada.com> Message-ID: References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6A@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <01216870-7D11-40B4-AB8E-C5CC8AD1A9FA@muada.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Welcome and Network Information X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 27 jul 2008, at 14:23, LANGE Andrew wrote: >> To use this network, associate with the beaconed SSID of "ietf" for >> 802.11a/b/g/n >> > > 802.11n, excellent! > >> Two printers are located in the Terminal Room and are available to all IETF >> users. The printers themselves are: >> > > Until what time can we expect the printers to be available on Friday? (For > the purpose of printing boarding passes for flights on Saturday, which is > possible as of some time on Friday.) The network comes down at noon on Friday with the exception of a couple of meeting rooms. > Thanks, > > Iljitsch > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:23:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3043A6807; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67DF3A6807 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sd6Q0o+rX+It for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7693A65A5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70016C018 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:23:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1217168627.12460.3.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 20:34 +0100, Theo Zourzouvillys wrote: > annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the > desk in the room :/ In my room, there's a 5-port router peeking from behind the dresser. One port is the uplink, one is the wire over to the desk location, and one goes to the TV. That router is within reach of the little table in my room. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:29:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CDA3A6966; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A4D3A6964 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.992, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wnk6-hgrJObX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DD33A6966 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kate.meeting.ietf.org (kate.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.22.250]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7E0308446; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:29:23 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: In-Reply-To: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:29:20 +0100 References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0005486448==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0005486448== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-491075672" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-6-491075672 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-491075379 --Apple-Mail-5-491075379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I will =20 check with the hotel staff about the admin issues. r. http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, = wrote: > +1 > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano >> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 >> =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org >> Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> People, >> >> As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at >> the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late >> soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun >> light is still with us until late. >> >> Roque >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkiMc/QACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6tXQCeO3A2BT9pQelhHphxIixuZzoT >> 400An0015u3Ek2VEcoC/R9Btc+oBxloN >> =3DGs5d >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> --Apple-Mail-5-491075379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok I generated a poll so people = can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff =  about the admin issues.
r.




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People,

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<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-5-491075379-- --Apple-Mail-6-491075672 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiMhkAACgkQnk+WSgHpbO4q3QCdFqclMJCAOZpjLvaorQXuXy8D tO0AnRdfQFqTm7FOEQ6wgE1O/u6c453h =V9/h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-6-491075672-- --===============0005486448== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0005486448==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:42:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C152A3A65A5; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF0B3A65A5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.443, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MUgly+pk5aa6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp201.sat.emailsrvr.com (smtp201.sat.emailsrvr.com [66.216.121.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C84A3A63D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EEA5F1C1FD2; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 5E19A1C1C12; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:42:49 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Walsh References: In-Reply-To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0939815703==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0939815703== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090802070102050605050503" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090802070102050605050503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another. Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge. Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf Ray Thomas Walsh wrote: > My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in > joining with others of similar interests. She is primarily interested > in visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other cultural highlights. > If others would be interested in going as a group, let me know. Thanks. > > > > Tom Walsh > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > --------------090802070102050605050503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another.
Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge.
Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf

Ray

Thomas Walsh wrote:

My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in joining with others of similar interests.  She is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other cultural highlights.  If others would be interested in going as a group, let me know.  Thanks.

 

Tom Walsh


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--------------090802070102050605050503-- --===============0939815703== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0939815703==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 07:49:14 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2A53A6947; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC693A693A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uty0UqL2jLgM for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6923A63D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6REn1DH000426; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:49:13 -0500 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:48:28 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:48:17 +0300 Received: from [130.129.23.187] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:48:17 +0300 Message-Id: <0AF1F860-B904-4ACA-AF33-045D0DFCA5E9@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: "ext Ray Pelletier" In-Reply-To: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:48:13 +0100 References: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 14:48:17.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE75B400:01C8EFF7] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Someone (Michael Richardson?) created the ietf-moms mailing list (http://tinyurl.com/5a5jjg ) for this. "It is often the case that a family travels together when one partner has an IETF meeting. The other partner has to find something to do (perhaps with children), and it's nice to do things together. This list is to coordinate such things." Lars _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 08:05:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4103A67C0; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1432D3A67C0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M8D6LKfgcoTm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1683A63D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.10.192] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6RF5JBb057747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:05:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Message-Id: <0C59F71E-F627-42D6-8072-619335F7F675@nostrum.com> From: Ben Campbell To: Dale Worley In-Reply-To: <1217168627.12460.3.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:05:23 -0500 References: <54290B9E-8FBB-4A2A-88BF-4773B550D105@nostrum.com> <167dfb9b0807261234n61d6e2a4ndf5433871f4e5e56@mail.gmail.com> <1217168627.12460.3.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.64.64 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7848/Sun Jul 27 06:15:53 2008 on shaman.nostrum.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Dale Worley wrote: > On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 20:34 +0100, Theo Zourzouvillys wrote: >> annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the >> desk in the room :/ > > In my room, there's a 5-port router peeking from behind the dresser. > One port is the uplink, one is the wire over to the desk location, and > one goes to the TV. That router is within reach of the little table > in > my room. > As it turns out, there is a similar router hiding behind my tv in the wall mounting box. A wire runs through the wall from there to the port marked "DSL" at my desk. The nice maintenance people replaced the cable terminator behind the tv, and all is working now. > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 08:16:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0603A68C0; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CB63A68C0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.246, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kB2dPFl5zqbJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp201.sat.emailsrvr.com (smtp201.sat.emailsrvr.com [66.216.121.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFB13A67F8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1EFE81C20D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay10.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id A58981C20A3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <488C915B.7010708@isoc.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:16:43 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Meeting Logistics X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1918318914==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1918318914== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090105060303080300030002" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090105060303080300030002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Bus Schedule 2. Newcomer Training #2 3. Meeting Comms 4. RFC Authors 5. IAOC Office Hours 6. AMS Staff 7. Guest Rooms still available 8. New IETF Journal - http://ietfjournal.isoc.org Comments or suggestions: ietfjournal@isoc.org 1. Bus Schedule: Mon - Thursday 0900 - 11:00 for Attendees & Guests; Badges required See http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf 2. Newcomer Training #2: Tuesday @1300 in Ballroom 2 with Scott Bradner. Open to all. Set up for Guest Day for local students, teachers and ISOC Chapter members. Description: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/72-Tutorial_Newcomer.txt 3. Meeting Comms NOC - noc@ietf.org Meeting Trouble Desk: mtd@ietf.org 72 Attendees - Subscribe/Unsubscribe - https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees 4. RFC Authors RFC Authors prior to 2026 interested in executing a license to the IETF Trust can do so at this time. For more information see: http://trustee.ietf.org/authorlic.html can be done at IAOC Office Hours, or at IAD Desk near registration 5. IAOC Office Hours IAOC and IAD will hold Office Hours on Wednesday and Thursday from 1610 - 1700 in the Vanessa suite 6. AMS Staff - wearing the red polo shirts with IETF logo. Stop and say hello or ask for assistance 7. Guest Rooms still available 10 Rooms still available at Citywest - Reservations: +(00) 353 1 401 0418 (mention IETF) --------------090105060303080300030002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Bus Schedule
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6. AMS Staff
7. Guest Rooms still available
8. New IETF Journal - http://ietfjournal.isoc.org Comments or suggestions: ietfjournal@isoc.org

1. Bus Schedule: Mon - Thursday 0900 - 11:00
  for Attendees & Guests; Badges required
  See  http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf

2. Newcomer Training #2: Tuesday @1300 in Ballroom 2 with Scott Bradner. Open to all. Set up for Guest Day for local students, teachers and ISOC Chapter members.
  Description: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/72-Tutorial_Newcomer.txt

3. Meeting Comms
  NOC - noc@ietf.org
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4. RFC Authors

RFC Authors prior to 2026 interested in executing a license to the IETF Trust can do so at this time.  For more information see:
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5. IAOC Office Hours

IAOC and IAD will hold Office Hours on Wednesday and Thursday from 1610 - 1700 in the Vanessa suite

6. AMS Staff - wearing the red polo shirts with IETF logo.  Stop and say hello or ask for assistance

7. Guest Rooms still available
10 Rooms still available at Citywest - Reservations: +(00) 353 1 401 0418 (mention IETF)

 --------------090105060303080300030002-- --===============1918318914== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1918318914==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 08:34:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C178228C13D; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:34:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D009C3A659B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iwUPCqpnqaYq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04E43A688D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,259,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15635674" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2008 15:34:24 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6RFYObG022802; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:34:24 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6RFYOF1018843; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:24 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:34:24 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: <488C957F.5000706@employees.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:34:23 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roque Gagliano References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 15:34:23.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F187C00:01C8EFFE] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'll come watch and cause trouble. My poor knee can't imagine playing. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 11:35:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33CC3A6934; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3373A6934 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.615, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xr19d929xA+U for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl751.usa.alcatel.com (audl751.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995603A68C0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs01.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.19]) by audl751.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6RIZQqQ019813 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:35:26 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.10]) by usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:35:26 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:35:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guestroom Network Thread-Index: AcjwF4mFi0EHhtZ/TduP/QCS6/gjwQ== From: "LANGE Andrew" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 18:35:26.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[89A8E340:01C8F017] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 143.209.238.34 Subject: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1279352367==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1279352367== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F017.898AD7D3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F017.898AD7D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, We have installed a rate limit on the ports facing the guestroom network = to alleviate problems that the guestroom network was experiencing.=20 If you observe issues contact the noc. 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Greetings,

We have installed a rate limit on the ports facing the guestroom network = to alleviate problems that the guestroom network was experiencing.

If you observe issues contact the noc.

Thank you,

Andrew

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F017.898AD7D3-- --===============1279352367== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1279352367==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 12:12:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208A13A6959; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433783A6884 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLaSMzm6ZpkC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D603A6959 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:11:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217189408; x=1217794208; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=iNLPjPTQO2GX/W oRv6hwHmoWcCqRgo/sMdiY6DF26gDXFHn0BV/E8lC8oRaayE4gA/X9DHIF7UjcTd QbUuHEQgvFi5COWMnnjfQgSohlDMiTzeEY0BN0/9b8WGHJXu/2XeFcBC7VDGWbTQ ooYxmSEOCkVOG/Y08EhFFRx8Kusxg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=R1tkPFi0KqAXE6XrS1jgmzG6eEeQ2YgB2zb/CbWUEa7zVf6IgJYxHcbFDcs9/c5J2EoqP3jTPUSabHnaPll5nMfGRmsSpBcB+i/wKITJBzOTyjWETI40nQbHMelZhK/gqCi2Ub14pJ3rck+Pv6YNcW4z1kxtG3IrtZvQScucb+s=; Received: from [172.17.3.166] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002984825.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:10:06 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:10:49 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Guestroom Network Thread-Index: AcjwF4mFi0EHhtZ/TduP/QCS6/gjwQABPFHu In-Reply-To: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080727:72attendees@ietf.org::iyZiUyyhB9qV1uFk:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005ihY X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.64.64 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:10:08 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:10:08 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org However, VPN (PPTP) seems to be not working, something being filtered ? Regards, Jordi From: LANGE Andrew Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:35:26 -0500 To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [72attendees] Guestroom Network Greetings, We have installed a rate limit on the ports facing the guestroom network to alleviate problems that the guestroom network was experiencing. If you observe issues contact the noc. Thank you, Andrew _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. 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Thread-Index: Acjv9w1d0xB61bOkTyu9tCNXTt5FTQAMzTmg References: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> From: "Thomas Walsh" To: "Ray Pelletier" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2008 20:57:35.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[65792FC0:01C8F02B] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1460001578==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1460001578== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F02B.6536D357" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F02B.6536D357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ray, =20 We had a couple of respondents already. We had a similar idea except we picked a time of Monday at 8:45 AM. =20 =20 Others who may be interested are also very welcome and please come by at 8:45 in the lobby and hook up with my wife, Marjorie, at that time to self organize.. =20 Tom =20 ________________________________ From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:43 PM To: Thomas Walsh Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? =20 Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another. Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge. Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf Ray Thomas Walsh wrote: My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in joining with others of similar interests. She is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other cultural highlights. If others would be interested in going as a group, let me know. Thanks. =20 Tom Walsh =20 ________________________________ =20 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F02B.6536D357 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ray,

 

We had a couple of respondents = already.   We had a similar idea except we picked a time of Monday at 8:45 AM.  =

 

Others who may be interested are = also very welcome and please come by at 8:45 in the lobby and hook up with my = wife, Marjorie, at that time to self organize..

 

Tom

 

From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, = 2008 3:43 PM
To: Thomas Walsh
Cc: = 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin?

 

Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet = up in the Lobby Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another.
Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge.
Bus Schedule: http://www.i= etf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf

Ray

Thomas Walsh wrote:

My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is interested in joining with others of similar interests.  She = is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks, and other = cultural highlights.  If others would be interested in going as a group, let = me know.  Thanks.

 

Tom = Walsh

 






 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F02B.6536D357-- --===============1460001578== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1460001578==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:27:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8CC3A6A0C; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DAE3A6A06 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.269 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.269 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGHT+1XRj6os for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D2C3A697A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.9.89] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6RMRQcE038635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:27:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: LANGE Andrew In-Reply-To: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:27:35 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 27 jul 2008, at 19:35, LANGE Andrew wrote: > We have installed a rate limit on the ports facing the guestroom > network to alleviate problems that the guestroom network was > experiencing. > You mean rate limiting in the sense of throwing away packets when traffic goes beyond a certain bandwidth limit? This is a very effective way of creating synchronization in the congestion window of otherwise unrelated TCPs, thereby reducing throughput to significantly less than the rate limit imposed. The congestion seems to be worse now that IETF'ers have returned to their rooms than yesterday at around the same time. (There are probably more people here now than yesterday, though.) We seem to have 100 Mbps to the rooms (I was able to download a few podcasts at 11 MB/sec this morning) so it looks like bandwidth isn't the bottleneck. Maybe it's the burstiness of the traffic, or maybe the NAT can't handle the load? If the connection between the IETF network and the hotel network is with gigabit on the IETF side and 100 Mbit at the hotel side with a simple switch in the middle, it's likely that the switch can't adequately handle the bursts, using a router interface at 100 Mbps will probably be better because routers have more buffers. Some active queue management, such as RED, should also help. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:34:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34BB3A6978; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FB73A6978 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xh9bJRJ1Q1sm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ladle.sendmail.com (ladle.sendmail.com [209.246.26.53]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51053A6974 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fife.sendmail.com (fife.sendmail.com [209.246.26.50]) by ladle.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Sentrion-3.0.0) with ESMTP id m6RMdk7h015520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:39:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=ladle.dkim; t=1217198387; bh=ck0qK60FyPQuy0r6clVqoT3dFbtuy4AwubuQ AhnS9JA=; h=Received:X-DKIM:DKIM-Signature:Received:Received:Date: Message-Id:From:To:Cc:Subject:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=CPrMB9ywTTvo9pOWYqi 88O16efLhmyF12Z/jgOwzSswrpGN6pDuJw+uxZQt4hzr1sUaHIF9X6bzJ1nFw4Z7xic zAQMpdTdNUuVtEcT6oUTxQnph6GGAnQ1dL7l9VFF1j5XLt2w1sY0MhRVEr5u60NJ3G1 fO0Jog1BriLFksakwo= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.202.26]) by fife.sendmail.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.2mp) with ESMTP id m6RMYgsi005690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:42 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.2.3 fife.sendmail.com m6RMYgsi005690 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sendmail.com; s=fife.dkim; t=1217198083; bh=ck0qK60FyPQuy0r6clVqoT3dFbtuy4AwubuQA hnS9JA=; h=Date:Message-Id:From:To:Cc:Subject:X-MM-Ex-RefId; b=283u u16X6O7ask8UcClLp7iRzDriBZucFA2IybW63KBnCzBlQnuguW5LnXoX4O910iaj0tz unA3cBuySTP8HZges9Lp9LqtwJMHiXSFqlmSb1HMobO+q+FKMFE1cPjC9ZprhX6jtOA hLY4UFWUEMXJAwRjyxVcIZhgKr4UdjLEE= Received: from protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6RMYg2e090593; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com) Received: (from msk@localhost) by protagonist.smi.sendmail.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m6RMYfUN090592; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msk) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200807272234.m6RMYfUN090592@protagonist.smi.sendmail.com> From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: Iljitsch van Beijnum , LANGE Andrew X-MM-Ex-RefId: 149371::080727153442-2752CB90-5E90B1A5/0-0/0-1 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > We seem to have 100 Mbps to the rooms (I was able to download a few > podcasts at 11 MB/sec this morning) so it looks like bandwidth isn't > the bottleneck. Maybe it's the burstiness of the traffic, or maybe the > NAT can't handle the load? I don't seem to be getting the same good in-room service others are getting. I can barely get DHCP, usually register 30-70% packet loss, and even the (network-based) TV is blank most of the time. The wireless in the lounge appears solid so far though. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:34:47 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AA33A6A0C; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2BA3A692A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1gRIgp5CvTr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waikiki.gih.co.uk (salsa.gih.co.uk [212.124.200.129]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 09B543A6A0C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALOHA2 (ANice-151-1-5-86.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.113.83.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by waikiki.gih.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6RMZLIL017388; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:25 +0100 Message-ID: <009c01c8f038$f7aacd60$0a01a8c0@ALOHA2> From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" , "LANGE Andrew" References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:34:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > We seem to have 100 Mbps to the rooms (I was able to download a few > podcasts at 11 MB/sec this morning) so it looks like bandwidth isn't the > bottleneck. Maybe it's the burstiness of the traffic, or maybe the NAT > can't handle the load? I am dreaming of the day when NAT will be history and we'll all be happily and seamlessly using IPv6. Olivier -- Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond, Ph.D. E-mail: | Tel:+33 (0)6 14 65 35 37 | US Fax:+1 (414) 434 2740 http://www.gih.com/ocl.html & http://www.nsrc.org/codes/country-codes.html _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:53:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1AB3A6A2F; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87313A67F6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, ROUND_THE_WORLD_LOCAL=2.696] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lkf1oZ-5Fp0e for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1661375175==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:54:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F923A69E8; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F0D3A682D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.961 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.961 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzYdOpktl8yO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have a copy of Tom Clancy's "Rainbow Six" that I'd like to trade for some similar airplane reading... Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 16:28:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39963A6A44; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14143A6A3A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Waybw46FWzK for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.156]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAB73A690E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id y22so8928185pof.4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr4290473wab.146.1217201317183; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.74.4 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:28:37 +0100 From: "Bill Fenner" To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" In-Reply-To: <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > If the connection between the IETF network and the hotel network is with > gigabit on the IETF side and 100 Mbit at the hotel side with a simple switch > in the middle, ... Interesting theory, but the hotel's Juniper is connected directly to our switch, and that switch port negotiated at a gigabit: DETECTED CONFIGURED Slot/ AutoNego Speed Duplex Hybrid Speed Duplex Hybrid Trap Port (Mbps) Type (Mbps) Mode LinkUpDown -----+--------+------+------+------+--------+------+------+------ 1/14 Enable 1000 Full NA Auto Auto NA - The rate limit was applied at the router. I don't know the details of the rate limit implementation. The router port is attached to a 1 gig port of another switch, and there is a 2-port (1 gig) link aggregate between that switch and this one. According to Cacti, the 95th percentile on the router port in the last couple of hours has been 19.99Mbps, so I'm not sure we have to worry too much about the effective throughput being significantly lower than the rate limit. Bill _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 16:55:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ACB3A690D; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04933A690D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.878, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ds1zUnYd+Sly for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02773A6810 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.2.125] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED71430846E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:55:28 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <6672E559-B77F-47D1-BCA0-F2466FE60746@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <488C957F.5000706@employees.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:55:24 +0100 References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <488C957F.5000706@employees.org> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just some update. I asked the hotel staff about using the football field for a match and their answer was "no way", so I asked some people form the organization (using red t-shirts) that I found nearby to see if they could do something to get the ok from the hotel. So, I hope to hear from them soon. Regards, Roque On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > I'll come watch and cause trouble. My poor knee can't imagine > playing. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiNCuwACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6WawCfUEIbAyspOwPuTTsrPEaUrmVe lGcAoLN3+s/wREq0sbku+U49NSTmr5d0 =1mmM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 18:24:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328693A69F6; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F9C3A6911 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3uRjz5XxRPcc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9E63A67EF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,261,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="38899684" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 01:24:22 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6S1OMBo003746; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:24:22 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp01 (sjc-vpn5-806.cisco.com [10.21.91.38]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6S1OKeZ029715; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:24:21 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Ray Pelletier'" , "'Thomas Walsh'" References: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c8f050$a9d8d970$265b150a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acjv9xDtbvUSqumfSV67WN1/KcUokwAWSWnA In-Reply-To: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1603; t=1217208262; x=1218072262; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Other=20Spouse's=20visi ting=20Dublin? |Sender:=20; bh=40bVPHByQGSAvUZvut4bUfweZ+6w5GPMYXg30rLKqxI=; b=lB3yXPU481LlxVEWR2sbGHH/PO1YGBo/yGLYU3B/1mFLRnii6dxNSCWThF BqFFnkE5XsIjwZipDY1blzBvg1/YW7IGOcldu2I2+tI4LpQj2U+YPVliKDN3 8PIGC0gpJq; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, ietf-moms@lists.ox.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm staying in town (not at the Citywest). My wife and daughter are doing Newgrange on Tuesday with the Mary Gibbons tour company: http://www.newgrangetours.com, approximately 35 Euros for adults and 20 Euros for munchkins. I have been to Newgrange twice and highly recommend it. We haven't been on this tour, though -- we have always driven there. The Mary Gibbons tour company is recommended by several of our guidebooks, for whatever that's worth. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ray Pelletier > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:43 PM > To: Thomas Walsh > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? > > Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby > Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another. > Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge. > Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf > > Ray > > Thomas Walsh wrote: > > > My wife will be travelling each day into Dublin and is > interested in joining with others of similar interests. She > is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks, > and other cultural highlights. If others would be interested > in going as a group, let me know. Thanks. > > > > Tom Walsh > > > ________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:11:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEC63A69AF; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783D43A69AF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iCvdVX0aGhyr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.116]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 457E33A67B1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32983 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 06:11:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LP0tLJUvBTd/7oOXfoD8uHd0kHRMpE7piH+QMocHfMm16Iciz+7NdVEzp17OyrKyjnUsGKqmdeEspCPk63LH+zEq/Sw6537Ixbln1A+4IAohLxzeJH6T1A8iJh9Ja6AL4Am7vmkAkUDhI5ntoWvu1OaToP8yxRt4iAXZJyb3LK8=; Received: from [130.129.64.64] by web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Burger To: Roque Gagliano , 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <115836.31347.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Burger List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 if it happens. Of course, I'm bummed I read this when I got to the airport. No cleats or shinguards. I guess that gives you young-uns a chance to catch up :-) ----- Original Message ---- From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:55:24 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just some update. I asked the hotel staff about using the football field for a match and their answer was "no way", so I asked some people form the organization (using red t-shirts) that I found nearby to see if they could do something to get the ok from the hotel. So, I hope to hear from them soon. Regards, Roque On Jul 27, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > I'll come watch and cause trouble. My poor knee can't imagine > playing. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiNCuwACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6WawCfUEIbAyspOwPuTTsrPEaUrmVe lGcAoLN3+s/wREq0sbku+U49NSTmr5d0 =1mmM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:11:14 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D8F28C10C; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0963128C10C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8UAy+mjhO2g9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F7528C100 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,263,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15679433" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 06:11:20 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6S6BJUX006895; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:11:19 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6S6BJNK019713; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:11:19 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:11:19 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <488D6304.1030201@employees.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:11:16 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org> <001201c8f050$a9d8d970$265b150a@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c8f050$a9d8d970$265b150a@cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 06:11:18.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFBF34A0:01C8F078] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, ietf-moms@lists.ox.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/28/08 2:24 AM, Dan Wing allegedly wrote: > I'm staying in town (not at the Citywest). My wife and daughter are doing > Newgrange on Tuesday with the Mary Gibbons tour company: > http://www.newgrangetours.com, approximately 35 Euros for adults and 20 Euros > for munchkins. > > I have been to Newgrange twice and highly recommend it. We haven't been on > this tour, though -- we have always driven there. The Mary Gibbons tour > company is recommended by several of our guidebooks, for whatever that's > worth. Here's a high recommendation for Mary Gibbons. I learned a lot more about the whole Boyne River area than I would have just on my own. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:33:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF0828C132; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC0328C132 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GiAWDjpbcY4d for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A4428C131 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,263,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15662878" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 06:33:49 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6S6XnVR021728; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:33:49 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6S6Xn7p026509; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:33:49 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:33:48 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: <488D684B.5080109@employees.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:33:47 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tony.li@tony.li References: <07706CBDB7CF49929639888EC95A5528@ad.redback.com> In-Reply-To: <07706CBDB7CF49929639888EC95A5528@ad.redback.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 06:33:48.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[E456DA40:01C8F07B] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Paperback trade X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/27/08 11:54 PM, Tony Li allegedly wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a copy of Tom Clancy's "Rainbow Six" that I'd like to trade for some > similar airplane reading... I'll be grateful for anything. My wife left on Sunday and took all my reading material with her except for John Day's book. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:35:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A5C28C0F4; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DE428C0F4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzgOpES0h9Bd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB953A6A31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.9.89] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6S6VmbQ045318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: "Bill Fenner" In-Reply-To: <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:31:54 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 0:28, Bill Fenner wrote: > According to Cacti, the 95th percentile on the router port in the last > couple of hours has been 19.99Mbps, so I'm not sure we have to worry > too much about the effective throughput being significantly lower than > the rate limit. Why would you rate limit at 20 Mbps if you have gigabit everywhere??? The performance of the guest room network hovers around the "unusable" mark. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:47:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFF928C184; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7A528C184 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sKRFAHn-jiIy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C845128C169 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.9.89] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6S6jSWS045504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:45:37 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 7:31, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > The performance of the guest room network hovers around the > "unusable" mark. --- sequoia.muada.com ping statistics --- 200 packets transmitted, 79 packets received, 60% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 36.186/45.386/59.487/7.524 ms Obviously whatever setup is in place now, it's not working. With some 1300 rooms and 20 megabits we have a minimum of 15 kilobits per room, which is sufficient for mail and light web browsing but not much more than that... And apparently a good number of people is trying to do a lot more. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 23:51:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C8B28C188; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E943A6AB3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lAxxTyuT3z9J for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2104D3A6A90 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z8so533987qbc.41 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr4523815wab.223.1217227917305; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.74.4 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54e226890807272351r14669e2eu7c595a551e3e3b50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:51:57 +0100 From: "Bill Fenner" To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" In-Reply-To: <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > --- sequoia.muada.com ping statistics --- > 200 packets transmitted, 79 packets received, 60% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 36.186/45.386/59.487/7.524 ms The guest room areas are separated into different L3 segments on the hotel side. I must be on a different segment than you: --- sequoia.muada.com ping statistics --- 22 packets transmitted, 22 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 37.148/38.644/43.328/1.308 ms > With some 1300 rooms and 20 megabits we have a minimum of 15 kilobits per > room, which is sufficient for mail and light web browsing but not much more > than that... And apparently a good number of people is trying to do a lot > more. The traffic rate now is about 15Mbps, so it seems unlikely that the 20Mbps limit is causing the problems that you are seeing. We could, of course, have the hotel shift back over to their couple-Mbps DSL line for the guestrooms, if you think it's a real problem that the IETF networking team is doing a favor to the hotel and supplying a faster connection. Bill _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 00:12:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFCE3A6A3A; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:12:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E493A6A3A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7C8QJDUADGow for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508E43A69CE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.9.89] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6S79nmj045857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:11:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: "Bill Fenner" In-Reply-To: <54e226890807272351r14669e2eu7c595a551e3e3b50@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:09:52 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> <54e226890807272351r14669e2eu7c595a551e3e3b50@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 7:51, Bill Fenner wrote: > We could, of course, have the hotel shift back over to their > couple-Mbps DSL line for the guestrooms, if you think it's a real > problem that the IETF networking team is doing a favor to the hotel > and supplying a faster connection. I assume things would be even worse using the DSL link. But I'm still experiencing 60% packet loss, which kills any TCP sessions after one or two minutes. Would it be possible to set up a few wifi base stations in the room wings so some traffic can circumvent the room network, giving more breathing room to those who remain on that network? And please, everyone: moderate your network use when in your room, especially background applications where the congestion you cause and experience isn't visible. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 00:31:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B603A6A11; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D30A3A6826 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uytlH4WqRUfF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B053A6880 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.1.238] ([130.129.1.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6S7VgDa048991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:31:44 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <488D75DF.7020705@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:31:43 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iljitsch van Beijnum References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> <54e226890807272351r14669e2eu7c595a551e3e3b50@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7860/Mon Jul 28 05:38:33 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > Would it be possible to set up a few wifi base stations in the room > wings so some traffic can circumvent the room network, giving more > breathing room to those who remain on that network? Room coverage is not part of the the noc services. we're providing then with some assitance but we have limited visibility into their systems... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 00:36:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C54D28C1B7; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C790928C1B7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.635 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.635 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_MID=0.543] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZkVf8kuHPg0o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E532728C1AC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,264,1215388800"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="18845933" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 07:37:05 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6S7b4II013903 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:37:04 -0700 Received: from [10.21.51.231] ([10.21.51.231]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6S7b3MU027452 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:37:04 GMT Message-ID: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:37:03 -0700 From: Mahesh Jethanandani Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=6409; t=1217230624; x=1218094624; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mahesh@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mahesh=20Jethanandani=20 |Subject:=20Room=20is=20hot! |Sender:=20; bh=q/w1630uPKlKY5QH3aPtoRbzucr0C8jvBe7mZJ+kILA=; b=cg9X6Zj676lIaDfAhmAQhsP9mAeeKvH8UjDDZv7MOs4MV1wfSFPLXMgP8Q xBl9BEr/eVvURNNNBTq0wEs1wHNGvKjks7JmTj1EG1oIGOnSB4kbsC2lp/40 3KaJGRZnzH; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=mahesh@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1851482321==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1851482321== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020601040403010606000000" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020601040403010606000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? -- *Mahesh Jethanandani* *Technical Leader* **Corporate Development* * mahesh@cisco.com Phone :*+1 408 527-8230* Fax :*+1 408 527-6351* ** 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95070 United States www.cisco.com This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. --------------020601040403010606000000 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060303020508040701070600" --------------060303020508040701070600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues?
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Mahesh Jethanandani
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And read RFC 5290 in the mean time :-) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 00:40:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D563A696B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E143A69CE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id up24xIhCgnq0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5513A696B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12265167; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:40:43 -0400 Message-Id: <7F986C26-2290-40A8-8BBD-BBAF0410B835@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:40:42 -0400 References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org My room is quite comfortable, although I have been relying so far just on an open window. Which building are you in ? (Note that the second digit of your hotel room (x5yz) describes the building you are in.) Regards Marshall On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is > facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and > facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely > ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had > no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? > -- > > Mahesh Jethanandani > Technical Leader > Corporate Development > > mahesh@cisco.com > Phone :+1 408 527-8230 > Fax :+1 408 527-6351 > > 170 West Tasman Drive > San Jose, CA 95070 > United States > www.cisco.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org When I arrived on Saturday I found my room around 35C. The last person had set the thermostat all the way up. I turned it off and opened the window and waited. This morning my room finally got down to a reasonable temperature. (I'm in 55xx) -derek Marshall Eubanks wrote: > My room is quite comfortable, although I have been relying so far just > on an open window. > > Which building are you in ? (Note that the second digit of your hotel > room (x5yz) describes the building you are in.) > > Regards > Marshall > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > >> I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is >> facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and >> facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. >> Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are >> others facing similar issues? >> -- >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> Technical Leader >> Corporate Development >> >> mahesh@cisco.com >> Phone :+1 408 527-8230 >> Fax :+1 408 527-6351 >> >> 170 West Tasman Drive >> San Jose, CA 95070 >> United States >> www.cisco.com >> >> >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or >> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. 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Thread-Index: AcjwhMIC7UUFrp/rTYOTriK8o0xwpAAAGssA References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> From: To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 07:44:54.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3262C30:01C8F085] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1292974815==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1292974815== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F085.D2F07DEA"; type="multipart/alternative" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F085.D2F07DEA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C8F085.D2F07DEA" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C8F085.D2F07DEA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm at fourth floor (45xx) and I'm also suffering from heat. =20 There is some sort of thermostat on the wall but it's not making anyt difference. I could understand lack of A/C, but I don't get why the radiator has to be heating the room constantly. In the corridors the temperature is much better. =20 My partial solution has been to keep the window open all day and night. =20 Teemu ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Mahesh Jethanandani Sent: 28 July, 2008 08:37 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot! =09 =09 I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? =09 --=20 =09 =09 Mahesh Jethanandani Technical Leader Corporate Development mahesh@cisco.com Phone :+1 408 527-8230 Fax :+1 408 527-6351 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95070 United States www.cisco.com =09 =09 This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.=09 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C8F085.D2F07DEA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm at fourth floor (45xx) and I'm also = suffering from=20 heat.
 
There is some sort of thermostat = on the wall=20 but it's not making anyt difference. I could understand lack of A/C, but = I don't=20 get why the radiator has to be heating the room constantly. In the = corridors the=20 temperature is much better.
 
My partial solution has been to keep the window = open all=20 day and night.
 
    Teemu

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I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in = particular is=20 facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and = facing the=20 brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried = changing=20 rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing = similar=20 issues?
--
Mahesh=20 Jethanandani
Technical=20 Leader
Corporate=20 Development

mahesh@cisco.com
Phone=20 :+1 408 527-8230
Fax :+1 408=20 527-6351
170=20 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95070
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www.cisco.com

  
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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is > facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and > facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely > ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had > no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? You have A/C? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:03:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8C23A69D2; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A29F3A69D2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5a6+LBpWknuw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502643A681C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21b:63ff:fe02:3c13] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21b:63ff:fe02:3c13]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6S82SHV046693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:02:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Joel Jaeggli In-Reply-To: <488D75DF.7020705@bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:02:44 +0100 References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6D@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <23911EF3-3370-402D-9714-7E2C26011278@muada.com> <54e226890807271628q6c15e50cj8a79178322a233c@mail.gmail.com> <02D29B28-3365-4EF3-B907-C87E648CDE80@muada.com> <54e226890807272351r14669e2eu7c595a551e3e3b50@mail.gmail.com> <488D75DF.7020705@bogus.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 8:31, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> Would it be possible to set up a few wifi base stations in the room >> wings so some traffic can circumvent the room network, giving more >> breathing room to those who remain on that network? > Room coverage is not part of the the noc services. we're providing > then with some assitance but we have limited visibility into their > systems... Right, those wifi base stations would have to hook up to the IETF network directly for this scheme to work... Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:14:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E793A6A31; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4243A6A23 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:14:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.272 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.272 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.327, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1mTnmCG6US3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D53A6A8C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.20.69] ([130.129.20.69]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6S8DWpA012209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488D7F8D.3030900@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:13:01 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Campbell References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My room was hot as well; even though the thermostat was "off", the radiator was still warm. The hotel staff closed the valve off, and it's much more pleasant now... Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiNf40ACgkQE5f5cImnZrt7mQCdEoFmdaUooAniw0D83OnpUOWN CuMAn19oyF5P4npC1VW39E/xvWbsV5Qz =etBc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:15:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03B13A6A31; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:15:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE43A6971 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:15:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dN04GN9TVoDb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3983A696B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6S8FRe3013730 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:54 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:54 +0300 Received: from essapo-nirac25226.europe.nokia.com ([10.162.252.26]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:47 +0300 From: =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: Maemo Software - Nokia Devices R&D To: 72attendees@ietf.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:47 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807281115.47166.remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:15:47.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[23AE2EB0:01C8F08A] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! 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Last night I wasn't even getting an address. This morning early I connected perfectly and was getting multi-Mbps service. Y(J)S _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:18:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BB13A6AD3; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5583A6AD3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFpoRyq7OLrv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057A73A6AEB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3310762 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:21 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:27:41 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:27:41 -0700 Message-ID: <488D80CB.5020706@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:19 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Anyone with a car? 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Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:22:26 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.7]) by usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:22:26 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:22:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B6E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPTP Passthrough from the Hotel Network Thread-Index: AcjwixDiaabmgjCRSJ2NWpWcu2nPZA== From: "LANGE Andrew" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:22:26.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[11471290:01C8F08B] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Subject: [72attendees] PPTP Passthrough from the Hotel Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1105257166==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1105257166== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F08B.10F5D2F6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F08B.10F5D2F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There have been a few issues raised with the NOC about PPTP VPN = passthrough working from the IETF networks, and not from the guestroom = network. We believe this has to do with the NAT box inside the hotel's = network. The right people at the Hotel have been notified. Andrew ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F08B.10F5D2F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PPTP Passthrough from the Hotel Network

There have been a few issues raised with the NOC about = PPTP VPN passthrough working from the IETF networks, and not from the = guestroom network.  We believe this has to do with the NAT box = inside the hotel's network.  The right people at the Hotel have = been notified.

Andrew

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F08B.10F5D2F6-- --===============1105257166== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1105257166==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:22:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698BE3A6A79; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2EA3A6AE9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.389 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.389 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.251, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.46, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKcdKzLtsPZo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ABD73A6A79 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14648 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 08:22:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=b60TVpR/RDSOIg5GjFr/fl4p7ltdPOk0kFse0BSAvKdkrzBIjODPG9mB+yT6S2Mnm1+o3S4DvKfuo2o7174ZS2NEnsg+HlVE+dF/rrc3AoNqKYU+CQAW0ZhJ36NLjNzXGDmBAkQ0/ZCPzaVcTKFmwzMjHzubuDLzIbIF9pdybpw=; Received: from [130.129.20.50] by web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Burger To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <55449.14436.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Burger List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1541273217==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1541273217== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1560754420-1217233353=:14436" --0-1560754420-1217233353=:14436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And I thought this was a reference to the night life ----- Original Message ---- From: Mahesh Jethanandani To: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:37:03 AM Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot! I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? --0-1560754420-1217233353=:14436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=0A=0A --0-1560754420-1217233353=:14436-- --===============1541273217== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1541273217==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:24:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2253A6A23; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DB03A6A51 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8-1T9avSMojR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu (smtp0.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967723A6A0D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5263C2C00035B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ysIZL6712Vas; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from VENUS.office (mx1.office [192.168.24.3]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314382C000352; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:38 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:37 +0200 Message-ID: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB26@VENUS.office> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: audio streaming not working? Thread-Index: Acjwi1+0ExFanin5RQmPu6eMcfcS8A== From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: <72attendees@ietf.org>, Subject: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I am able to listen to: ietf72-ch1 ietf72-ch4 I am NOT able to listen to: ietf72-ch2 ietf72-ch3 ietf72-ch5 I was tryign to listen to SIPPING (ietf72-ch5), can anybody let me know if there is a plan to fix this? Thanks, Saverio ============================================================ Dr. Saverio Niccolini Manager, Real-Time Communications Group NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > >> I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is >> facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and >> facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely >> ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room >> had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? > > You have A/C? > Sorry, that came out more terse than I intended. I have a thermostat that _looks_ like it might run an A/C, but as far as I can tell it's for heat only. And even with it turned off, I got a little heat out of the radiator. I turned the valve on the radiator off, and it seems to be improving. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:37:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E31C3A68D0; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3BD3A6885 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:37:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.604 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7-sXbEm8wEk for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAF23A68D0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.9336180; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:36:49 -0400 Received: from NJCHLEXCMB01.cable.comcast.com ([172.24.2.44]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:36:49 -0400 Received: from 130.129.21.167 ([130.129.21.167]) by NJCHLEXCMB01.cable.comcast.com ([172.24.2.44]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:36:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:46 +0100 From: John Jason Brzozowski To: Ben Campbell , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Room is hot! Thread-Index: AcjwjRHQUElJSFyAEd218AAX8tljeA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:36:49.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[1404E820:01C8F08D] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had this same problem, the hotel informed me that there is *no* A/C. :( I too had a room on a higher floor initially, then had it changed. Doing much better now. The heat on the top floor of the Golf hotel was particularly bad. On 7/28/08 9:34 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: > >> >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >> >>> I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is >>> facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and >>> facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely >>> ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room >>> had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? >> >> You have A/C? >> > > Sorry, that came out more terse than I intended. I have a thermostat > that _looks_ like it might run an A/C, but as far as I can tell it's > for heat only. And even with it turned off, I got a little heat out of > the radiator. I turned the valve on the radiator off, and it seems to > be improving. > >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ========================================= John Jason Brzozowski Comcast Corporation e) mailto:john_brzozowski@cable.comcast.com m) 609-377-6594 ========================================= _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:39:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526953A68D0; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8463A68D0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:39:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id grwzbwp8qEZv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu (smtp0.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D573A6885 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D3B2C00035B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:39:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AXfKzubi-xmp; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from VENUS.office (mx1.office [192.168.24.3]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004552C000304; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:39:01 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:39:01 +0200 Message-ID: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB35@VENUS.office> In-Reply-To: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB26@VENUS.office> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? Thread-Index: Acjwi1+0ExFanin5RQmPu6eMcfcS8AAAdkyw References: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB26@VENUS.office> From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: <72attendees@ietf.org>, Subject: Re: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org in addition to that: ietf-ch6 is now streaming SIPPING insteat of the ietf-ch5 (that it was supposed to strem SIPPING according to http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/) Saverio ============================================================ Dr. Saverio Niccolini Manager, Real-Time Communications Group NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! NEW ADDRESS !!! ============================================================ NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Saverio Niccolini > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org; joelja@bogus.com > Subject: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? > > I am able to listen to: > ietf72-ch1 > ietf72-ch4 > > I am NOT able to listen to: > ietf72-ch2 > ietf72-ch3 > ietf72-ch5 > > I was tryign to listen to SIPPING (ietf72-ch5), can anybody > let me know if there is a plan to fix this? > > Thanks, > Saverio > > ============================================================ > Dr. Saverio Niccolini > Manager, Real-Time Communications Group > NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division > Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg > Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 > Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 > e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! 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Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.161.15 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5c7a6d0807280148m1fbedbfay24740778f780375c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:48:01 +0100 From: "Peny Yang" To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [72attendees] mic is quite limited X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Folks: I do not think we have enough mic for discussion. I am in the ballroom 2 for IPsecme. We onl have one mic, which is obviously not convenient. BRG Peny _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:51:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B548D3A6A39; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4C83A6989; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.628 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.628 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.218, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eB4RamVa7NtN; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp10.bis.na.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis.na.blackberry.com [216.9.248.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FF93A6A0D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bda209.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (bda209.bisx.prod.on.blackberry [172.20.228.109]) by srs.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6S8q2Wi027075; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:52:02 GMT Received: from bda209.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bda209.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6S8pwHm032628; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:51:58 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 449390226 Message-ID: <449390226-1217235117-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1832500532-@bxe036.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Saverio Niccolini" , 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org, 72attendees@ietf.org, "Joel Jaeggli" From: rpelletier@isoc.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:49:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Send Network/Audio Stream issues to noc@ietf.org please ------Original Message------ From: Saverio Niccolini Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org To: 72attendees@ietf.org To: Joel Jaeggli Sent: Jul 28, 2008 4:24 AM Subject: [72attendees] audio streaming not working? I am able to listen to: ietf72-ch1 ietf72-ch4 I am NOT able to listen to: ietf72-ch2 ietf72-ch3 ietf72-ch5 I was tryign to listen to SIPPING (ietf72-ch5), can anybody let me know if there is a plan to fix this? Thanks, Saverio ============================================================ Dr. Saverio Niccolini Manager, Real-Time Communications Group NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! NEW ADDRESS !!! ============================================================ NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:52:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37823A6A0D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56763A68F5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ypExeC+Ikd0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96D53A6989 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CDC7FC4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44jgfNIyIF6i for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Lat610CMM (unknown [130.129.1.136]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CE548078 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cindy Morgan" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB26@VENUS.office> <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB35@VENUS.office> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:52:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c8f08f$4d0f5860$d3178182@Lat610CMM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C22BB35@VENUS.office> Thread-Index: Acjwi1+0ExFanin5RQmPu6eMcfcS8AAAdkywAABbrCA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [72attendees] Microphones in Meeting Rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmorgan@amsl.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org FYI to all attendees: There currently are not standing floor microphones in the meeting rooms, but the A/V people aware of the issue and the floor mics will be brought in during the lunch break in time to be used for the afternoon sessions. Best regards, Cindy Cindy Morgan / Project Manager / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117 / Fremont, CA 94538 T: +1.510.492.4085 / F: +1.510.492.4001 / http://www.ietf.org ---------- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS); Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning Website: http://www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:54:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C2B3A6A0D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F8F3A6A0D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vz7iDCQL9h1T for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6233A6895 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNOUr-0005bq-96 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:25 +0200 Received: from ripe-ncc-101045.meeting.ietf.org (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A292F583 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:23 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5220645cd09510326092c68600c35c530 Subject: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need some euro's :-) Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:56:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3343A6ADE; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E097A3A691C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XfXIZRUDZu8n for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28A33A6ADE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,264,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="128824632" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 04:56:25 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,264,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="244032770" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 04:56:25 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:56:23 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] ATM Thread-Index: Acjwj40wDooSWJ4zTmydstm5y5DvIAAADXJA References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Henk Uijterwaal" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There is one in the hotel, behind the reception. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:54 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] ATM > > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? > I need some euro's :-) > > Henk > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the > next elections _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:56:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869D83A6AB6; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446883A6AB6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vxI9El+14dxx for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933F93A6A39 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S8ufVI017916 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:41 -0400 Received: from imcfe2.MITRE.ORG (imcfe2.mitre.org [129.83.29.4]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6S8ufuj017913; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:41 -0400 Received: from IMCSRV3.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.20.198]) by imcfe2.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:40 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: <6AC65FD74E2B984A95EED496FBFC59FC05E6CAD7@IMCSRV3.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] ATM Thread-Index: Acjwj4x0tL8BIfiNQZKn9sZvpNlFDQAABZKw References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> From: "Purvis, Ray" To: "Henk Uijterwaal" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:56:40.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA032D50:01C8F08F] Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Main lobby area, walking towards elevators/rooms appears to have an ATM. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:54 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] ATM Hi all, Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need some euro's :-) Henk -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:56:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7443A6AF6; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0BB3A6A79 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WN2HHc4iDMK0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0073A6AF7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id B515D29E14D8; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.23.8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525D129E1433; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <07FB01BB-7874-481F-B88E-E47F8344264A@viagenie.ca> From: Marc Blanchet To: Henk Uijterwaal In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:56:45 +0100 References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org one behind the hotel reception. Marc. Le 08-07-28 =E0 09:54, Henk Uijterwaal a =E9crit : > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need > some euro's :-) > > Henk > > > -- = > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: = > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~he= nk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the next = > elections > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ----- IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:57:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5973E3A6ADE; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69053A6ACD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.914 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.914 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RRwImF-B57c0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F1B3A6826 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.58256613; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:53 -0400 Received: from NJCHLEXCMB01.cable.comcast.com ([172.24.2.44]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:56:53 -0400 Received: from 130.129.21.167 ([130.129.21.167]) by NJCHLEXCMB01.cable.comcast.com ([172.24.2.44]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.comcast.com ([24.40.8.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:56:52 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:56:51 +0100 From: John Jason Brzozowski To: Henk Uijterwaal , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] ATM Thread-Index: Acjwj+ANHnrj9lyDEd218AAX8tljeA== In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 08:56:53.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1B2F350:01C8F08F] Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I heard there is a casino on the premises, assuming there is an ATM there. On 7/28/08 9:54 AM, "Henk Uijterwaal" wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need > some euro's :-) > > Henk > ========================================= John Jason Brzozowski Comcast Corporation e) mailto:john_brzozowski@cable.comcast.com m) 609-377-6594 ========================================= _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:57:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56873A6A39; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6773A6A39 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.066 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.066 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.534, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYiYRwu+73Rr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp111.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.111]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1AE3A6AFA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BFDCD44C0ED; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 5B01B44C0DA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <488D89F2.4080303@isoc.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:22 -0400 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henk Uijterwaal References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Near the Pro Shop. Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need > some euro's :-) > > Henk > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 01:59:24 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289FC3A6AFD; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AC73A6AF6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y+i4f+JEr2tV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E233A6AFA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3310832 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:31 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:08:52 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:08:52 -0700 Message-ID: <488D8A71.3080904@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:59:29 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henk Uijterwaal References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need > some euro's :-) There's one in the main lobby of the hotel, around the corner "behind" registration. I have no idea what fees are tied to this ATM. > Henk -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 02:00:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065543A6AFC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288593A6AFA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yXZMTW9dC9Bf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (dlpdemo.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9BC3A6AB6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id C3986294002; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:00:38 +0300 (IDT) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.68]) by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E919C294001; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:00:37 +0300 (IDT) Received: from [172.31.21.146] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m6S90ZjI004769; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:00:36 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <9E38A6FA-405B-48E5-858D-D1A0D91E856E@checkpoint.com> From: Yoav Nir To: Henk Uijterwaal In-Reply-To: <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:00:34 +0100 References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1823526261==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1823526261== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-557749832; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-15-557749832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's at least one in the hotel near the lobby. On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1823526261==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 02:09:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75BC3A6A91; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3663A6A91 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.886 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.886 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNCVodSWz0LJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga03-in.huawei.com (usaga03-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.220]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A913A681C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga03-in [172.18.4.17]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4P000YOLFCOD@usaga03-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from z735001 ([130.129.22.212]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K4P00M9ULEBFU@usaga03-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:08:32 -0500 From: Yi Zhao In-reply-to: <417234362.16142@cnnic.cn> To: 'YAO Jiankang' , 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <002401c8f091$8c3ea8e0$d4168182@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcjwjYVyHNCHHCj/QcCpoH8aIL+hiAAA261A Subject: Re: [72attendees] internet connetion speed is too slow in the room andmeeting room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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Guess I$B!G(Bm not the only IETFer on that network. _____ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of YAO Jiankang Sent: 2008$BG/(B7$B7n(B28$BF|(B 3:39 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] internet connetion speed is too slow in the room andmeeting room internet connetion speed is too slow --Boundary_(ID_7tJb93F3sXXu8R206ll7SQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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I had to use eircom network which is also getting slower now. Guess I$B!G(Jm not the only IETFer on that network.

 

 

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of YAO Jiankang
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internet connetion speed is too slow

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have two social tickets for sale. If interested contact me privately. - G _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 02:24:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE513A6A57; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030133A68D9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gen4eTkvrhfW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14193A69F6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=nA35mle/nL+eZo1EOmlMjB4FiaZcxNZGU8rA0Mwwvs3vxyvmAABcuNQt eo4yVaNsaA62hBbmxB8dfxMKK8LoQp9P7IgeJZsDtq6d5pf1miLvCniB3 /p2g2m5Jog7pyZG; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1217237058; x=1248773058; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[72at tendees]=20internet=20connetion=20speed=20is=20too=20slow =20in=20the=20room=0D=0A=09andmeeting=20room|Date:=20Mon, =2028=20Jul=202008=2010:24:15=20+0100|Message-ID:=20|To:=2072attendees@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201 .0|In-Reply-To:=20<4c5c7a6d0807280218r2597a5e0p3592e81148 b8682a@mail.gmail.com>; bh=8s3vDg5tG/ZvMYKEo7qEVwhuattpdS5403Xg5LpJB0I=; b=xKh8aY/XoURL2Qgy5HPXcQwh3qz3IKyiiZUOMZzHar0W2yeS9cPExhgw UnZcrfUx1bXIh2BecUpC2/IZCi/+2oesDkfn96N0tNjxC9A/M30zUy/Qs G7egBLjriBc+MQi; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,264,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="4425382" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 10:24:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4c5c7a6d0807280218r2597a5e0p3592e81148b8682a@mail.gmail.com> To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:15 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 28/07/2008 10:24:16 AM, Serialize complete at 28/07/2008 10:24:16 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] internet connetion speed is too slow in the room andmeeting room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > +1 > > Most of the time, the audio streaming does not work because of the > poor network. For what it's worth, my in-room connection in 45xx has been perfect. Ray _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 02:24:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC80A28C110; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE5428C110 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.965, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nGDdnEX7TNsq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org (expfe100-2.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.237]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FECA3A68D9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.233]) by EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.237]) with mapi; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:20 -0700 From: Richard Lamb To: Mahesh Jethanandani , "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:24:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Room is hot! Thread-Index: AcjwhMmIxrfSXhfyRdydSvlyCfZI8gADdg/A Message-ID: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org> References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2087216185==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============2087216185== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_006_05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8EXVPMBX1001ex_"; type="multipart/alternative" --_006_05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8EXVPMBX1001ex_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8EXVPMBX1001ex_" --_000_05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8EXVPMBX1001ex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. Burning up. I am just an ugly American but give me that 60 degree go= vt Washington DC office in July where people have space heaters because the= A/C is turned up too high. From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:37 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot! I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unu= sual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and facing the brunt of = the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to a= nother floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? -- [cid:image001.png@01C8F09B.53D84A60] Mahesh Jethanandani Technical Leader Corporate Development mahesh@cisco.com Phone :+1 408 527-8230 Fax :+1 408 527-6351 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95070 United States www.cisco.com This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole u= se of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure b= y others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or = authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by repl= y e-mail and delete all copies of this message. [cid:image003.gif@01C8F09B.53D84A60] --_000_05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D788D5D022A8EXVPMBX1001ex_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yep.  Burning up.  I am just an ugly American but = give me that 60 degree govt Washington DC office in July where people have space heaters= because the A/C is turned up too high.

 

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethananda= ni
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:37 AM
To: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot!

 

I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor = and facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues?

--

Mahesh Jethanandani
Technical Lead= er
Corporate Development

mahes= h@cisco.com
Phone :+1 408 527-8230
Fax :+1 408 52= 7-6351


170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95070
United States
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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org My original room in the Citywest hotel had the radiator burning at max heat as well (room 36xx). As a Finn, yes I do like sauna, but not to live in ;) Changed to 48xx where I do have A/C that is working perfectly, and I can select the room temperature I like easily. But the concierge said this room is brand new, and this is why it has A/C. Kristiina On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:36 AM, John Jason Brzozowski wrote: > I had this same problem, the hotel informed me that there is *no* A/ > C. :( > > I too had a room on a higher floor initially, then had it changed. > Doing > much better now. > > The heat on the top floor of the Golf hotel was particularly bad. > > > On 7/28/08 9:34 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: > >> >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>> >>>> I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is >>>> facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and >>>> facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely >>>> ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room >>>> had no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? >>> >>> You have A/C? >>> >> >> Sorry, that came out more terse than I intended. I have a thermostat >> that _looks_ like it might run an A/C, but as far as I can tell it's >> for heat only. And even with it turned off, I got a little heat out >> of >> the radiator. I turned the valve on the radiator off, and it seems to >> be improving. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ========================================= > John Jason Brzozowski > Comcast Corporation > e) mailto:john_brzozowski@cable.comcast.com > m) 609-377-6594 > ========================================= > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:00:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82D93A6895; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107B63A6895 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdbr+-NdWk7E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790123A6809 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so3705365wah.25 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.77.1 with SMTP id e1mr4634988wal.58.1217239206189; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.74.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54e226890807280300o1163962exec18b2adb989640f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:00:06 +0100 From: "Bill Fenner" To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [72attendees] problem reports are not specific enough in 72attendees mailing list X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hot! Slow! Too many! Not enough! Fix it now or I will complain some more! Bill _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:05:14 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8133C3A68E4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA633A691B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmSdL0L4XHab for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD793A68DD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=UA3NqYLEyqa/Es97+m0iTBvNuTcJuC1gwbLiwhrqSjPw49D2CrTuKqcr h+FQjRiDU2tARfvlyGXnem9KzbyMXoNgEwRK+SwyeGATDh5Z+WXqkhVOM sZKucp0g5Tjm7CB; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Stephen.Morris@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1217239491; x=1248775491; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Stephen.Morris@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[ 72attendees]=20internet=20connetion=20speed=20is=20too=20 slow=20in=20the=09room=0D=0A=09andmeeting=20room|Date:=20 Mon,=2028=20Jul=202008=2011:04:48=20+0100|Message-ID:=20< OF8537103F.A79ED49F-ON80257494.003721A0-80257494.00375EE9 @nominet.org.uk>|To:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Cc:=2072 attendees@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20; bh=AiWLmwgSCglyRXddKkDMDllU7DtJHwSbcFldgtcCl80=; b=6uQw4Opk4s+75gOkm/2t00qhE4iGm3YmyUilwmdc1ilKdEB1Y33aerdS 8QBJ8EqNNiRJR53KdqFQJ7QZetIcilOq1Kh4qs0WconVIZeipgkHy33Bm l4k4J7BMRg0CF6u; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,265,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="5512827" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 11:04:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Stephen.Morris@nominet.org.uk Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:04:48 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 28/07/2008 11:04:48 AM, Serialize complete at 28/07/2008 11:04:48 AM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] internet connetion speed is too slow in the room andmeeting room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote on 28/07/2008 10:24:15: > > Most of the time, the audio streaming does not work because of the > > poor network. > > For what it's worth, my in-room connection in 45xx has been perfect. ... whereas mine in 25xx is generally poor. Stephen _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:10:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A254F3A6890; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2E13A6890 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.291 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.291 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.307, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8plGL4Ieazyw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl951.usa.alcatel.com (audl951.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E663A6848 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs02.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.13]) by audl951.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6SAAlcx029401; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:10:47 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.7]) by usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:10:46 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:10:46 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:10:35 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B71@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] problem reports are not specific enough in72attendees mailing list Thread-Index: AcjwmLzdzznrs1RmTTm/XcKehUB3EwAAXAdE References: <54e226890807280300o1163962exec18b2adb989640f@mail.gmail.com> From: "LANGE Andrew" To: "Bill Fenner" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 10:10:46.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[33B1CFA0:01C8F09A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Subject: Re: [72attendees] problem reports are not specific enough in72attendees mailing list X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0108322542==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0108322542== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F09A.336C72EA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F09A.336C72EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Bill Fenner Sent: Mon 7/28/2008 5:00 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] problem reports are not specific enough = in72attendees mailing list =20 Hot! 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Hot! Slow! Too many! Not enough! Fix it now or I will complain some = more!

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Complain some more and I will slow down! --aaron On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Bill Fenner wrote: > Hot! Slow! Too many! Not enough! Fix it now or I will complain some > more! > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:12:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD1D3A690D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711E03A690D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:12:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4TDWLDBrAFO9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The Dublin Visitors Center has a manned booth next to the Terminal Room _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:30:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B2E28C107; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5063128C167 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cX6qaamo28fF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Bill Fenner wrote: > Hot! Slow! Too many! Not enough! Fix it now or I will complain some more! > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:32:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A323A69CE; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:32:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AD928C0D7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:32:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88VyXWcAMU98 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DEB3A6A6F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3311012 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:33:03 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:42:25 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:42:25 -0700 Message-ID: <488DA05E.8060709@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:33:02 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Looking for some Cisco IOS help X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I've got a network issue back at my home network and I'm hoping I can find a kindly person with IOS clue to help me. In particular, I'm trying to get my cisco to tell me about traffic flows across it. If I had a Linux box I'd just run tcpdump, but my network is all switched so I'd only see broadcast traffic. Clearly my home network isn't engineered well enough for me to debug problems like this -- I clearly need a management system on the same non-switched link as the router -- but alas it's a bit hard for me to do that from here. So, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate the assistance. Thanks! -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 03:36:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED693A6890; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332CA3A67BD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AmeixE0T+5is for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nylon.softarmor.com (nylon.softarmor.com [66.135.38.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C203A6826 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwillis-mb1.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.21.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6SAa6hx006948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:36:08 -0500 Message-Id: From: Dean Willis To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <54e226890807280300o1163962exec18b2adb989640f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:36:00 +0100 References: <54e226890807280300o1163962exec18b2adb989640f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Subject: [72attendees] IETF 72 Theme Song Inspired by Bill Fenner X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've often thought that each IETF meeting should have a theme song. Perhaps this would be a good time to start. The SIPish crowd did one such some years ago by remixing some samples from the room recordings for a couple of sessions: http://www.softarmor.com/sipwg/speerd.mp3 But Bill's post is inspiring: On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Bill Fenner wrote: > Hot! Slow! Too many! Not enough! Fix it now or I will complain some > more! > I think these might be perfect refrain lyrics! if we set them to music, we might have something. Actually, they sound like something from a Disney movie. But I can't find the reference, so I've rearranged a bit. Next we need a few verses. Perhaps one about networking, one about heat, one about the unavailability of food, one about the ridiculous expense of the facility, and another about the 1-hour bus rides to/ from own. Add discussions of mother, trucks, trains, and prison an we might have the perfect country and western song . . . Here's a first draft, set to the classic TV-show them "Rawhide" (which some of you might remember from the Blue's Brother's movie). Feel free to improvise. Posting Posting Posting Keep writing, writing, writing, Though they're disapproving, Keep them whiners writing, Complain! Don't try to understand 'em, Just listen to them gabbing, Soon our problems will be solved. Now my brain's a hurting, Solutions will be waiting, be waiting at the end of my week. (Chorus) Read them in, mark them up, add your bits, don't think about, Move them on, head them out, Complain! Set them out, write them in Write them in, mail them out, Pop them out, read them again, Complain. Posting, posting, posting Posting, posting, posting Posting, posting, posting Posting, posting, posting Complain! (end chorus) Posting, posting, posting Though the mailman queue is swollen Keep them whiners posting Complain! Rain and wind and weather Bus-rides, taxis, LUAS Wishin' my window would open wide. All the things I'm missin', Good vittles, sleep, air condition, Are waiting at the end of my week. REPEAT CHORUS -- dean _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:07:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70E63A69B9; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9203A6906 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id srZ9AFFJABl0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017023A6895 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,265,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15571264" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 11:07:12 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SB7CUu002494; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:07:12 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SB7Bhf016060; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:07:12 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.37] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4390.cisco.com [10.61.81.37]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6SB76A09714; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:07:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <488DA85D.4040509@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:07:09 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins References: <488DA05E.8060709@pgp.com> In-Reply-To: <488DA05E.8060709@pgp.com> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=460; t=1217243232; x=1218107232; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Sender=3A=20=2072attendees-bounces@iet f.org]=20=20[72attendees]=20Looking=0A=20for=20some=20Cisco= 20IOS=20help |Sender:=20; bh=WN59rqRGWj2JxzgramT2qTsNeKZPW5g2C6DnXdkVWlk=; b=R6JhKvuOP9nJjK6G/AJiZadKe9es9sJXGfAge8sdSR1W4KCMJ83tDHlAIU axDA/xxJ/deqFoZZJaMWGAzuuTXuw+1Gxveq1SP06Xmn3hZ7EnsMAHK01a2W p5lXvQbJ3X; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] [Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Looking for some Cisco IOS help X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Derek, > I've got a network issue back at my home network and I'm hoping I can > find a kindly person with IOS clue to help me. In particular, I'm > trying to get my cisco to tell me about traffic flows across it. Depending which IOS version you have, use either: NetFlow: http://cisco.com/go/netflow Flexible NetFlow: http://cisco.com/go/fnf Ping me offline for more info. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:13:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613543A691D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06DF3A6906 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dw5C9Ucp1Sft for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D263A6916 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217247135; x=1217851935; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Mime-version:Content-type: Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=OECd1aTI/Pd4FWLyfBCJ2/rhV0k PdTVYTIuZ2UGe4mIvw3VdWomxEJpWv+Dw21Q2NXh6eadW/lXyYYQb06XNQNggoOf 6FxKTM22HwDvpAEYuj47pEnV+KwCiP4GZj5Ebv9tILX5whgmEU4S3bY6d4C0Bi2A EGhygXGXCPKPjziQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=efYFukLsdVEBTb7w/DvG6kn2CkOPxp9mCEMmEAA1GalHD4HaIJErWx58wSHJtY59RD4ezKEL0IIRYNmTXLfUHZAsSXtDq/Rn7Fqat9JGcPul2d4vairt4CaYCkdlSHEbS1g7gw3zt3vE94pTOjkZ+zYVngmo1SFldJPgi0iUtlE=; Received: from [172.17.3.166] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002985592.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:12:12 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:12:45 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQ== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080728:72attendees@ietf.org::+pqgY/rjGOwdAuqz:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004H90 X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.64.64 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:12:15 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:12:15 +0200 Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. Regards, Jordi ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:15:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4E43A689A; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E803A689A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i23hWAbRJPqe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5D93A67E7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3311063 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:15:50 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:12 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: <488DAA63.5020005@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:47 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken References: <488DA05E.8060709@pgp.com> <488DA85D.4040509@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <488DA85D.4040509@cisco.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] [Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Looking for some Cisco IOS help X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Paul Aitken wrote: > Derek, > >> I've got a network issue back at my home network and I'm hoping I can >> find a kindly person with IOS clue to help me. In particular, I'm >> trying to get my cisco to tell me about traffic flows across it. > > Depending which IOS version you have, use either: > > NetFlow: http://cisco.com/go/netflow > > Flexible NetFlow: http://cisco.com/go/fnf > > Ping me offline for more info. Thanks. I got pointed to: ip flow ingress ip route-cache flow and then sh ip cache flow This seems to have mostly given me the clues I needed (although it wasn't quite what I was looking for, but it helped sufficiently). Thanks! -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Maybe we could deploy RED.... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote, On 7/28/08 12:12 PM: > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This > morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited > almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope > they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many > extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting > time in any previous IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:25:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984723A685E; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036003A685E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id exlkuDmZk6O0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F663A6813 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-ECS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1217849151.35893@dHD/FkDFSaW0nrgH6qt9eA Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:21d:9ff:fe22:9fc]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6SBPpbT023842 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:25:51 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe59:5f12]) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SBPhSo025972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:25:43 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m6SBPhq6021988 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:25:43 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6SBPhfj021987 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:25:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:25:43 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080728112543.GB20366@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: m6SBPhSo025972 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: m6SBPpbT023842 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:12:45PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This > morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited > almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope > they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many > extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting > time in any previous IETF. It seems it's impossile to sit down and just get served from a menu; you have to have sandwiches or a carvery, no other option. Breakfast was also rather limited, compared to previous IETF hotels. I appreciate it's tricky to cater for large numbers of people, but other IETF hotels have managed to just run their usual restuarants and give people more choice, and a higher quality. The other problem here of course is lack of choice outside the hotel; just one bistro within quick walking distance. Can't dispute the views and surroundings are top notch though :) Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:30:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BF03A6951; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BF83A6951 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dCeIUnkH6LDg for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576733A682D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so5200988and.122 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:in-reply-to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; bh=wB64F/h0cYgvG6W+bzau6sANeeVTDFWbNsMKlfG4oQ0=; b=hI8/53L0mGuxkSev7FUHDnQWJ/vFtiEtcxMCJaUmBDwssvS/n01rUZU4a6zEgNWwgH 0RsRKsUR9mwD5BFTum0urqM87yPYJtmAdlBZD1Z7k2OVwGKw5qGuJ4wgQ/tWYCYHYvWL +RxFfysPMPtLzvA9ZtiMEkfiQ5oX6UF7Qk6Rg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole :message-id; b=HKk9qMljqGhFIJ5HUD9vLOTcvEJIhbyUYe0QV7/Ggu2ga5MXJ69j7ElxOGbqFM6WbM 3gnajgXYSL/wuS4nzghl40UDAR1567JgwSdqf5nHn4K7yFUPokL565m7Y2QZTBL157Bn 7MDfiUoCo0MBgzFNWFxUlSONDeHJ6TO61Dpd4= Received: by 10.100.131.3 with SMTP id e3mr3852640and.59.1217244639698; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DickChenPC ( [130.129.64.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7sm17474880ana.35.2008.07.28.04.30.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dick Chen" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <488DAAC6.2010709@grnoc.iu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:30:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acjwo48HCgim2w7XRoORohqQpghJVwAAU/nw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Message-ID: <488daddf.0735640a.76fb.ffffbb32@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There were some volunteer REDees... -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Lee Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:17 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Maybe we could deploy RED.... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote, On 7/28/08 12:12 PM: > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This > morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited > almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope > they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many > extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting > time in any previous IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:33:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642833A682D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0458B3A67BD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GvytevnPKNs7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2983A67DB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,265,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15574845" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 11:33:58 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SBXwEm011085; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:33:58 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SBXwXP024686; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:33:58 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.37] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4390.cisco.com [10.61.81.37]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6SBXvA12993; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:33:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <488DAEA8.1050403@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:34:00 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins References: <488DA05E.8060709@pgp.com> <488DA85D.4040509@cisco.com> <488DAA63.5020005@pgp.com> In-Reply-To: <488DAA63.5020005@pgp.com> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=622; t=1217244838; x=1218108838; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Looking=20=20for=20some=20Cisco=20IOS=2 0help |Sender:=20; bh=dYolDLl3derzsbg9t2hL9xlyoYBRsWv7fLTIs3T5Pw0=; b=pccUSBGcTXHTGMjT8SMW+e8oH0cBEE3FZhINmYebuk7eHA2npYTS1kMQqh 7loN/ePMnzpvD4y3VW7GN2wc7j4L527c2F8X+ZhmnZ4tDTF15eD0XzhMt0F5 j1SBHJ3isK; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Looking for some Cisco IOS help X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Derek, > Thanks. I got pointed to: > > ip flow ingress Netflow. > ip route-cache flow Old netflow. > and then > > sh ip cache flow To see the recorded data. Also "ip flow-export ..." to send the data to an off-box collector for further analysis. > This seems to have mostly given me the clues I needed (although it > wasn't quite what I was looking for, but it helped sufficiently). Flexible NetFlow (FNF) lets you configure exactly what you want to monitor, rather than being bound by NetFlow's fixed 7-tuple. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:50:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D2E3A6839; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5263A3A6839 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezNmmAmFFIjh for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com (zrtps0kn.nortel.com [47.140.192.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4655F3A67BD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6SBoVF20835; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:50:31 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQABMdJg References: From: "Ed Juskevicius" To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Where did you queue-up for lunch today? I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to complete a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the Terminal Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many different sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), and lots of sandwiches all around the room. Regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. Regards, Jordi ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:52:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54B73A682D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811073A6839 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jinAQqJhBe8s for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9133A682D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,265,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15577020" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 11:52:11 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SBqBt0019267 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:52:11 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SBqBi7000429 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:11 GMT Received: from [10.61.81.37] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4390.cisco.com [10.61.81.37]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6SBqBA14212 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:52:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <488DB2EE.3050803@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:52:14 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=528; t=1217245931; x=1218109931; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Sender=3A=20=2072attendees-bounces@iet f.org]=20=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Room=0A=20is=20hot! |Sender:=20; bh=hhXrbLrd8ikeF5Z603iYKR4++o6jJKdBXRHWAdUK/Jg=; b=nnxm/pi07c1PzxVsTNspF5oUa/GMBBFN5d9ovC3Tr4r8xjrQep629M7ESb 9wour9rMkj20oQ0Dnjq66PuUF1jbrHt+wNMF4ZDTQ9yYOoU/x1nH2IDaabbA ue+nwaP6GP; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] [Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Re: Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Changed to 48xx where I do have A/C that is working perfectly, and I can > select the room temperature I like easily. > But the concierge said this room is brand new, and this is why it has A/C. +1: 48xx rooms have good A/C and good connectivity. The only trouble is to decipher the meaning of the symbols on the A/C controls! BTW, I can see (and hear!) some HVAC (Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning) engineers working on the ground floor. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:53:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E253A6848; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B59A3A682D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.907, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93hOC6ws-iZb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA23A6848 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KNRI0-0002s3-WC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:53:21 +0200 Received: from ripe-ncc-101045.meeting.ietf.org (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161F2F583; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:53:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <488DB32E.9020808@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:53:18 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Juskevicius References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d58a7e66032a94214b898b97f849610404 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ed Juskevicius wrote: > Where did you queue-up for lunch today? > > I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to complete a > few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the Terminal > Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my choice > of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many different sandwich > choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), and lots of > sandwiches all around the room. I noticed that there were at least 3 sandwich lines, with a queue in front of the one near the door, and 2 others with no customers. Henk > Regards, > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... > This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I > waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable > service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think > we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen > this long waiting time in any previous IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be > aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents > of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 04:57:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6903A6848; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338BF3A6848 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.454, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2v3tbIywhWzo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001423A682D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.250] (unknown [130.129.22.250]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18320308446 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:57:42 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:57:39 +0100 References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0289881793==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0289881793== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-8-568375052" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-8-568375052 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-568374998 --Apple-Mail-7-568374998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks =20 Marcia). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that =20= game will move forward. I also added the morning possibility in doodle as someone asked me if =20= that was a possibility. Roque On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I will =20= > check with the hotel staff about the admin issues. > r. > > http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr > > > On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, = > wrote: > >> +1 >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano >>> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 >>> =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org >>> Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> People, >>> >>> As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at >>> the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late >>> soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun >>> light is still with us until late. >>> >>> Roque >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkiMc/QACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6tXQCeO3A2BT9pQelhHphxIixuZzoT >>> 400An0015u3Ek2VEcoC/R9Btc+oBxloN >>> =3DGs5d >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Apple-Mail-7-568374998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

We have = the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks Marcia). We = have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that game will = move forward.

I also added the morning = possibility in doodle as someone asked me if that was a = possibility.

Roque


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On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano = wrote:

ok I generated a poll so = people can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff =  about the admin issues.
r.




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Thread-Index: AcjwqKeJtOV8J8k0QgavdmFDjnqmMAAAEYYg References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <488DB32E.9020808@ripe.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Henk Uijterwaal" , "Ed Juskevicius" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, there were three lines, but soft-drinks were not available at these lines, and credit cards were not processed at the cash counters, so each order for a drink or a credit card payment was placing on hold the line, because the cashier had to leave his stand. This is why at 11:45 I had to wait more than 20 minutes for a soup and sandwich, although there may have been no more than 10-12 people in the line. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Ed Juskevicius > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > Ed Juskevicius wrote: > > Where did you queue-up for lunch today? > > > > I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer > to complete > > a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the > > Terminal > > Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my > > choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many > different > > sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), > > and lots of sandwiches all around the room. > > I noticed that there were at least 3 sandwich lines, with a > queue in front of the one near the door, and 2 others with no > customers. > > Henk > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM > > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > > > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is > really low ! > > > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... > > This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and > right now, I > > waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable > > service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't > > think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never > > have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > > http://www.ipv6day.org > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be > privileged > > or confidential. The information is intended to be for the > use of the > > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be > > aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the > > contents of this information, including attached files, is > prohibited. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the > next elections _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:03:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541873A68E4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4642B3A6976 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PuGX7R8IFheE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5CC3A68CA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6SC1YE01084; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:01:35 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:03:29 -0400 Message-ID: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BF@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: AcjwqKeJtOV8J8k0QgavdmFDjnqmMAAAEYYgAAAwsVA= References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <488DB32E.9020808@ripe.net> From: "Ed Juskevicius" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > ... and credit cards were not processed at the cash counters ... Ok, that could make a big difference. I paid cash, so no delays for me. Regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:01 AM To: Henk Uijterwaal; Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: RE: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Yes, there were three lines, but soft-drinks were not available at these lines, and credit cards were not processed at the cash counters, so each order for a drink or a credit card payment was placing on hold the line, because the cashier had to leave his stand. This is why at 11:45 I had to wait more than 20 minutes for a soup and sandwich, although there may have been no more than 10-12 people in the line. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Ed Juskevicius > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > Ed Juskevicius wrote: > > Where did you queue-up for lunch today? > > > > I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer > to complete > > a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the > > Terminal > > Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my > > choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many > different > > sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), > > and lots of sandwiches all around the room. > > I noticed that there were at least 3 sandwich lines, with a queue in > front of the one near the door, and 2 others with no customers. > > Henk > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM > > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > > > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is > really low ! > > > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... > > This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and > right now, I > > waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable > > service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't > > think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never > > have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > > http://www.ipv6day.org > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be > privileged > > or confidential. The information is intended to be for the > use of the > > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be > > aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the > > contents of this information, including attached files, is > prohibited. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the next > elections _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:21:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF203A6845; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41293A6845 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.980, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kjWyamqeFXPs for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi (creon.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5711F3A67A5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8626721AF57 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from creon.otaverkko.fi ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creon.otaverkko.fi [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26656-10; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from argo.otaverkko.fi (argo.otaverkko.fi [212.68.0.2]) by creon.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153EA21AF27 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from boron.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.19.53]) by argo.otaverkko.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id C006025ED06 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:15 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <8F08485F-DBB2-49A3-BB87-CCBC2F641FE6@hiit.fi> From: Kristiina Karvonen To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <488DB2EE.3050803@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:14 +0300 References: <488DB2EE.3050803@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at otaverkko.fi Subject: Re: [72attendees] [Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Re: Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Paul Aitken wrote: >> > > +1: 48xx rooms have good A/C and good connectivity. The only trouble > is to decipher the meaning of the symbols on the A/C controls! So true! This is why I had the concierge explain and demonstrate how to operate the mystical-seeming controls of the A/C before letting him leave ;) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:30:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1127B3A68B9; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197D3A68C8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9-CQ0MEgT4iq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com (zcars04f.nortel.com [47.129.242.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303E93A68B9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.72]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6SCUSZ07058; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:30:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQABMdJgAAFWGyA= References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Ed Juskevicius" , Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had a big problem finding dietary restriction friendly food. I had thought that the intent was to accommodate us as noted on the materials we received at check-in. The lady I finally (nicely) harassed into getting me a plain salad looked at me like I had 3 heads when I mentioned my dietary restrictions. If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us with dietary restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, kosher, etc.) I would love to know as would quite a few other folks. Mary. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12) Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 AM To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Where did you queue-up for lunch today? I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to complete a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the Terminal Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many different sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), and lots of sandwiches all around the room. Regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. Regards, Jordi ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:37:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17353A6906; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9D928C0DC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YnKdYoC2Vxb3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B8B3A68BA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so3384372fkq.5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=7aKV0fmq5IEFu4F8g4JjFjF9mdSU3ND+w1M19eoyMrg=; b=lvw/kepq+gLqFfw0yg+g5RlPrdPksQm7zpMKG0Byd+AhsGSaAXq3ukxuaEtvrswi8t aExk7Kkx9V28pV3VxM2xlj2Lt4lqrn3NVBV4GYkSl+JqZpo/HQDE9iZqro/ah4SzKqNi 4t9IiTuZE+cXn1qjqcbpgW0pxzm1U7tlJ8E7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ay7L0GHWQhtspUNx0DaNVr1GCoMfdv2fybDnj8Gvj9AnXwvcguwBzp8cE8nqFTwlB2 F3nlR1GmGr4fV/SFBK+dBlKJpZY6z4PD5Phu/wvO9henbCTJfwo5lUQpQxI5rm0LjCBS O3b1VBLH/oq//q0Zn2UV6RxvW1B5Li5X9nA7s= Received: by 10.124.131.9 with SMTP id e9mr280307mkd.175.1217248629554; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.82.17 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:37:09 +0200 From: "Martino Fornasa" To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: b4b115130efc34d4 Subject: [72attendees] Searching for a Nokia cellphone AC adapter X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi. I hope that someone can lend me for half an hour a Nokia cellphone AC adapter... I forgot it. I need the one with the thick plug, not the new thin one. B.R., Martino. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:38:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81513A68FA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:38:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13CA3A68FA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:38:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GUiY65+06tO5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ana-server.csail.mit.edu (ana-server.csail.mit.edu [18.26.1.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FC33A6893 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ana-server.csail.mit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC7713E8DE9; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ana-server.csail.mit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ana-server.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08575-02; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.129.22.150] (unknown [130.129.22.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ana-server.csail.mit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0F813E8DBC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2A7615BD-1D69-4B06-B730-D84BA129FAB2@bbn.com> From: Aaron Falk To: "Mary Barnes" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:37:39 +0100 References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at csail.mit.edu Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: > If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us with dietary > restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, > kosher, etc.) I would love to know as would quite a few other folks. Hi Mary- Not an option for lunch but [1], in City Center near Trinity College, had a dinner menu that had many items labeled as Celiac friendly, etc. --aaron [1] http://www.fitzers.ie/?section=11` _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:41:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BF93A689A; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646203A6839 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ifC2BNmrnHwI for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD78F3A67AA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.53] (unknown [130.129.22.53]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5209D34E45A5; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:42:27 -0700 (MST) References: <488D80CB.5020706@pgp.com> Message-Id: <252BB25A-C481-4687-9DA3-54ED76A56242@fugue.com> From: Ted Lemon To: Derek Atkins In-Reply-To: <488D80CB.5020706@pgp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A345) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:22:15 +0100 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A345) Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Anyone with a car? 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Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:49:55 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2A7615BD-1D69-4B06-B730-D84BA129FAB2@bbn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: AcjwruWoQzz7SUHXQjCSkpF8f92lewAAD/6A References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <2A7615BD-1D69-4B06-B730-D84BA129FAB2@bbn.com> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Aaron Falk" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Aaron, Thanks. I should note that I've had no problems at this hotel before this lunchtime. They do have items marked for Celiac (this country is great for that!) in the two hotel restaurants I've been to - they even made me a nice sorbet for dessert last nite, BUT since they're not offering ordering off the menu for lunch that I could find, lunch is the big issue. There are indeed quite a few places in Dublin that can accommodate us (two great vegan/vegetarian/allergy friendly restaurants - unfortunately, kosher doesn't seem to be big here). --Mary. Okay, so now I'll get on my soapbox. --- general statement on this topic for this meeting ---- If they could setup a line somewhere that just has the sorts of food many of us need, with the servers either having an ingredient list or knowledgable about food allergies and dietary restrictions (i.e., no chicken broth in the vegetable soup, etc.), that would be great. --- general request for future meetings --- In the future, it would be wonderful if we could indicate this information on our registrations to ensure we're all accommodated, particularly given how far out we are from any good markets and I don't think we're a particularly small minority In many of the group lunches I participate in, around 20 of the folks have restrictions either due to health reasons or personal choices. I think the folks planning the meetings need to consider the importance of these two reasons - I personally become very sick (for about a week - think in terms of a bad flu) if I inadvertently consume gluten. Other allergens just make me very grumpy (not good for chairing a meeting). Others I know have anaphylactic reactions to nuts. I would also be happy to serve as an intermediary to the hotel/meeting planning staff to ensure there is a good availability of the foods we need - I'm not a medical professional but I can pretend to be one for this topic. The most amazing thing is that this food is edible (and healthy) for everyone! -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Falk [mailto:falk@bbn.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:38 AM To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: > If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us with dietary > restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, > kosher, etc.) I would love to know as would quite a few other folks. Hi Mary- Not an option for lunch but [1], in City Center near Trinity College, had a dinner menu that had many items labeled as Celiac friendly, etc. --aaron [1] http://www.fitzers.ie/?section=11` _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:54:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCBD3A682D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC0D3A682D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.195 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.195 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ewu5bcjsqFiC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3843B3A67DB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAF6481DA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkTnWYFir1yu; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.232] (unknown [130.129.23.232]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E2948078; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:32 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:54:32 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Henk Uijterwaal , Ed Juskevicius , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: AcjwqKeJtOV8J8k0QgavdmFDjnqmMAAAEYYgAAIJqIE= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org All of this feedback has been shared with the appropriate hotel staff and they are actively looking into ways to increase the efficiency of lunch service for tomorrow onwards; they are also working to offer a wider variety of options. They are coming back to us later this afternoon with their proposed solutions, which will be shared with all of you as soon as possible. Alexa On 7/28/08 5:01 AM, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" wrote: > Yes, there were three lines, but soft-drinks were not available at these > lines, and credit cards were not processed at the cash counters, so each > order for a drink or a credit card payment was placing on hold the line, > because the cashier had to leave his stand. This is why at 11:45 I had > to wait more than 20 minutes for a soup and sandwich, although there may > have been no more than 10-12 people in the line. > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:53 PM >> To: Ed Juskevicius >> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> Ed Juskevicius wrote: >>> Where did you queue-up for lunch today? >>> >>> I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer >> to complete >>> a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the >>> Terminal >>> Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my >>> choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many >> different >>> sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), >>> and lots of sandwiches all around the room. >> >> I noticed that there were at least 3 sandwich lines, with a >> queue in front of the one near the door, and 2 others with no >> customers. >> >> Henk >> >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >>> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM >>> To: 72attendees@ietf.org >>> Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >>> >>> I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... >>> >>> The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is >> really low ! >>> >>> Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... >>> This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and >> right now, I >>> waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable >>> service, I hope they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't >>> think we have so many extra minutes to wait in the queues and never >>> have seen this long waiting time in any previous IETF. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********************************************** >>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >>> >>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >>> http://www.ipv6day.org >>> >>> This electronic message contains information which may be >> privileged >>> or confidential. The information is intended to be for the >> use of the >>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be >>> aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the >>> contents of this information, including attached files, is >> prohibited. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------- >> Henk Uijterwaal Email: >> henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net >> RIPE Network Coordination Centre >> http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk >> P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 >> 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 >> The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------- >> >> Is one of the choices leaving the office open? >> Alan Greenspan on the >> next elections _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 05:57:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3AF28C10C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1FB28C10C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dqqs5pDNiq8Y for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596063A689A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z8so561368qbc.41 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id:from; bh=kAHDg19j30/KBXGPDjB6r8zp8A7aOvWyCJQS79SQYFE=; b=VY/msm/0D2xsw25YkQQVejv1AI2w42Tmr/sBPG15/JflgJOlyXCOEhAIY+neTotdQu y7ujPOqghlfBvp93rX05++xuTTkO04j6+8MpHd10UGeSLSt64nXArts8TrUpnnKVrvZm cwwhmOSHct5Xg9u+yabgPXgUHmIwgGaGWD4/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:from; b=sbWg3CzQFwyvqcG2fqwcNAmNmqoltZShW/Uf3poiNjIBo77mpi6sZv9Gd1EhTJkLvp Ksx86NjtBRWSzWIlqDh5gez3duqulgVevOhwy47WiZbaQwYraNqNrXJx93zRBP8CjiSE O3cd1mM3bHUv5NxBo12XDPihGOXUYjmlAVhNo= Received: by 10.115.16.1 with SMTP id t1mr4837983wai.19.1217249876418; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klee.meeting.ietf.org ( [130.129.19.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n32sm23118311wag.47.2008.07.28.05.57.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:57:55 -0700 (PDT) To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org>, ietf@ietf.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:57:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807281457.50942.julien.laganier.IETF@googlemail.com> From: Julien Laganier Subject: [72attendees] Found Safeword Platinum tokencard X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I found a Safeword Platinum tokencard on a lunch table on first floor above terminal room. I will hand it to the registration desk after this session finishes so you can pick it up from there c.a. 15:00. --julien _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:01:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E543A6808; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96BB3A68DA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qj134k+NwDQ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279E93A67A5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.71]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6SD11u16246; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:01:02 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQABMdJgAAFWGyAAAJpZwA== References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Ahmad Muhanna" To: "Mary Barnes" , "Ed Juskevicius" , Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I also would like to add the following: apparently the food is cooked with a different set of standards that at least what I know of happening in the US. It is known that for religious reasons, some people do not eat Pork products. I actually sent that feedback to the organizer earlier before the meeting as a feedback saying: that my only request is for plates which have pork products to be clearly MARKED. What I learned from several people and one of the managers is that Pork products are fried in the same oil pan with other meat products, like Beef and Chicken. This means that All meat products to those who do not eat pork is not eatable. Regards, Ahmad > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Barnes, > Mary (RICH2:AR00) > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:28 PM > To: Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12); jordi.palet@consulintel.es > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > I had a big problem finding dietary restriction friendly > food. I had thought that the intent was to accommodate us as > noted on the materials we received at check-in. The lady I > finally (nicely) harassed into getting me a plain salad > looked at me like I had 3 heads when I mentioned my dietary > restrictions. > > If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us > with dietary restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, > egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, kosher, etc.) I would love to > know as would quite a few other folks. > > Mary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12) > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 AM > To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > Where did you queue-up for lunch today? > > I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to > complete a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood > Suite (above the Terminal > Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for > my choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many > different sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, > under plastic wrap), and lots of sandwiches all around the room. > > Regards, > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... > > I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > > The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is > really low ! > > Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... > This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and > right now, I waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. > Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically > improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra > minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long > waiting time in any previous IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be > privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be > for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended > recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution > or use of the contents of this information, including > attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:11:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849E63A68BA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE25B3A69B1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:11:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voUSRd1SgkT1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from central.stickybit.se (central.stickybit.se [213.115.133.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DB03A689A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcbacon.stickybit.se (login.stickybit.se [10.100.0.130]) by central.stickybit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CE2FC099; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mc by mcbacon.stickybit.se with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KNSVM-0000Oi-1E; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:12 +0200 To: "Mary Barnes" References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> Organization: Stickybit AB From: Michael Widerkrantz Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Mary Barnes's message of "Mon\, 28 Jul 2008 07\:27\:50 -0500") Message-ID: <86abg217db.fsf@mcbacon.stickybit.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org "Mary Barnes" writes: > If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us with dietary > restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, > kosher, etc.) I would love to know as would quite a few other folks. Please tell me about it as well. I keep my web page updated: http://hack.org/mc/vegietf.html Today, lunch was pot noodles (with water from the kettle in a fellow vegan's room), roasted soy beans and mixed nuts bought from a grocery store in Rathcoole. I'm hoping for a better dinner. -- M.C. Widerkrantz Stickybit AB, http://www.stickybit.se/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:18:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE8C3A6A1D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB763A6A1D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xl+-ueXQU7kF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C503A6A03 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,265,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="132519330" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:18:15 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SDIFHq011653; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:18:15 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SDIFkF015048; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:18:15 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <20080728112543.GB20366@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: References: <20080728112543.GB20366@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=497; t=1217251095; x=1218115095; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Hotel=20performance=20. ... |Sender:=20; bh=9xKjsDOk407K+vTWGetz6FcVDrrBVAFdBcBvYpE9LHE=; b=WciqpOxvLJ9cNZsN1XcseeTE6vEvwfAzze+asXBanriJEYNvSo38SQ1AqL g5sgQlKXwHGgPF2vZJTGIFgP4QQQ3Az4YklKMRyH9w8j2IIcCyQfmew/Ww63 tE+FbUQizG; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The area upstairs where the reception was last night was also used today to serve sandwiches etc for lunch today and they had several paralell queues in operation and it seemed to wor just fine. Also arriving early for breakfast presented no problems at around 0740 if memory serves me right. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:26:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46423A69CC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC583A699C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GKWl96yD0rO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bert.secret-wg.org (bert.secret-wg.org [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:0:1234:be21:e31e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDBD3A68E8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21b:63ff:fec4:a963] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21b:63ff:fec4:a963]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bert.secret-wg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59B854AC054 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <7A135EDC-609C-4B7E-9C16-A31139E2749F@secret-wg.org> From: Bert To: 72attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-573704654 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:26:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] Critical Hardware Failure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-25-573704654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks One of the machines that I use daily as part of my non USual cultural heritage (see attachment), has been labeled as "out of order". I am extremely upset as this concerns my personal health. Where I come from these devices are always maintained and just work, it is an embarrassment to the Hotel, the noble sport of Golf, and the Republic of Ireland. So, I demand that the IAOC oversees the IAD to take care that AMS follows up with the hotel staff so that the device will be fixed expediently. If anybody has experience with failures of similar devices I hope those will be shared with this list. 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<72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:32:12 +0300 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:32:03 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:31:50 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:31:49 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946739CB91@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Venue floor plan Thread-Index: AcjwtgGwbeSiwTE4RiuBOpu8bHxmkQ== From: To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 13:31:50.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A7EFED0:01C8F0B6] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [72attendees] Venue floor plan X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2066587555==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2066587555== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B6.4A1D487A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B6.4A1D487A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am looking for the floor plan in elecronic format. There is a link on the IETF72 page http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/ that points here: http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conferenceandmeetings_centre.aspx There is a PDF document there, however only a toiny fraction of the = venue is included. Does anyone have these floor plans? Cheers. Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B6.4A1D487A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [72attendees] Venue floor plan

Hi all,
I am looking for the floor = plan in elecronic format.

There is a link on the IETF72 = page
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/
that points here:
http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conferenceandmeetings_c= entre.aspx
There is a PDF document = there, however only a toiny fraction of the venue is included.

Does anyone have these floor = plans?
Cheers.

Best regards: Zolt=E1n = =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot = com
Phone: +358 50 386 0566

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B6.4A1D487A-- --===============2066587555== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============2066587555==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:43:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E203A68DE; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24B23A6808 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0c7mEt7LiRT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate-internal3.sri.com (mailgate-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.84.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 49FC43A68DE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (128.18.84.115) by mailgate-internal3.sri.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:43:49 -0000 X-AuditID: 80125473-ae04bbb000000a91-a9-488dcd15c27b Received: from srimail1.sri.com (srimail1.SRI.COM [128.18.30.11]) by smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 0FCB91B2501 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.6.135] (guestroom-nat.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.64]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4P00FOYY50M5BO@mail.sri.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:43:48 +0100 From: Ed Jankiewicz To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <488DCD14.90704@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [72attendees] where to get a cellphone unlocked X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I grabbed a prepaid Vodafone SIM card at the airport not realizing the phone I have was locked to the original network - Virgin Mobile operating in France. I thought only USA operators locked their phones... Anyone know of a cellphone shop that can unlock the phone for me? I doubt there is one around here, I suppose I'll have to look in Dublin. Or DIY method? I have both SIMs. Thanks. -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:46:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB7F3A69FF; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AED3A68E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UWfzbUaA2fQt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67DA3A699C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6SDkOjs065319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:46:28 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <488DCDB2.60804@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:46:26 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Jankiewicz References: <488DCD14.90704@sri.com> In-Reply-To: <488DCD14.90704@sri.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7864/Mon Jul 28 11:50:42 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] where to get a cellphone unlocked X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ed Jankiewicz wrote: > I grabbed a prepaid Vodafone SIM card at the airport not realizing the > phone I have was locked to the original network - Virgin Mobile > operating in France. I thought only USA operators locked their phones... Normally that's something you can ask the carrier who locked the phone to do if you are a customer in good-standing. Failing that you're mostly in the space of device specifc hacks and the services of phone pie-rats. > Anyone know of a cellphone shop that can unlock the phone for me? I > doubt there is one around here, I suppose I'll have to look in Dublin. > Or DIY method? I have both SIMs. > > Thanks. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:52:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367163A6839; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0F3A68E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qlQTOQtpvGP6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail12.telekom.de (tcmail12.telekom.de [217.5.214.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1923A67BD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de (s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de [10.151.180.168]) by tcmail11.telekom.de with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:52:35 +0200 Received: from S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.180.12]) by s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:52:34 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:52:34 +0200 Message-Id: <1B309B6DC3B05440ACC14187BCB308A403A9D28A@S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946739CB91@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Venue floor plan Thread-Index: AcjwtgGwbeSiwTE4RiuBOpu8bHxmkQAAvLBg From: "Von-Hugo, Dirk" To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 13:52:34.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[302646D0:01C8F0B9] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Venue floor plan X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1673190563==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1673190563== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B9.2FDD97C6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B9.2FDD97C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Zoltan You may have a look at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72/ where also the = interactive room maps (http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72/venue/) are = located. =20 Best regards=20 Dirk=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = Im Auftrag von Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2008 15:32 An: 72attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [72attendees] Venue floor plan =20 Hi all,=20 I am looking for the floor plan in elecronic format.=20 There is a link on the IETF72 page=20 http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/=20 that points here:=20 = http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conferenceandmeetings_centre.aspx=20 There is a PDF document there, however only a toiny fraction of the = venue is included.=20 Does anyone have these floor plans?=20 Cheers.=20 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh=20 E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0B9.2FDD97C6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [72attendees] Venue floor plan

Hi Zoltan

You may have a = look at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72= / where also the interactive room maps (http://tools.ietf.org/age= nda/72/venue/) are located.

 

Best regards

Dirk 

-----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----
Von: = 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com
Gesendet: Montag, 28. = Juli 2008 15:32
An: = 72attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: [72attendees] = Venue floor plan

 

Hi = all,
I am looking for the floor plan in elecronic format.

There is a link = on the IETF72 page
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/
that points here:
http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conference= andmeetings_centre.aspx
There is a PDF document there, however only a toiny fraction of the venue is included.

Does anyone = have these floor plans?
Cheers.

Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
Phone: +358 50 386 0566

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In order to provide a variety of options, the menu will change each day. Each afternoon during the 1500-1520 break they will deliver the next day's menu to us and we will post it on the whiteboard that is adjacent to the registration tables. They are also adding another food/beverage station to the Kingswood Suite tomorrow, for a total of four stations. This should help to alleviate any traffic problems. In addition, I've been informed that credit cards are accepted at each station, and that beverages are also available at each station. Credit cards definitely take more time to process than cash and there isn't much to be done about that; however, it is faster to charge your meal to your sleeping room if that is an option for you. Regards, Alexa _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 06:57:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416CD3A6867; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A85D3A6867 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sWgyuxFh5qQb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail171.messagelabs.com (mail171.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D543A6839 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-171.messagelabs.com!1217253472!16352998!2 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.87] Received: (qmail 22104 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 13:57:54 -0000 Received: from amer-mta101.csc.com (HELO amer-mta101.csc.com) (20.137.2.87) by server-11.tower-171.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:57:54 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta101.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6SDvnB0014473 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1B309B6DC3B05440ACC14187BCB308A403A9D28A@S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de> To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:50 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/28/2008 10:00:46 AM, Serialize complete at 07/28/2008 10:00:46 AM Subject: [72attendees] Local walk X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0539893653==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0539893653== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004CA18A85257494_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004CA18A85257494_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I found this recommendation for a walking path between Saggart and Rathcoole. Haven't tried it yet. http://www.irishheart.ie/iopen24/pub/slinaslainte/maps/saggart.pdf Janet Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 3170 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, Virginia 22042, USA Registered in Nevada, USA No: C-489-59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. 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I found this recommendation for a walking path between Saggart and Rathcoole.  Haven't tried it yet.

http://www.irishheart.ie/iopen24/pub/slinaslainte/maps/saggart.pdf

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 --=_alternative 004CA18A85257494_=-- --===============0539893653== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0539893653==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:07:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FFC3A69AB; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70273A69AB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPAmegN+g0gz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9213A3A6895 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12268993; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:07:12 -0400 Message-Id: <163556AD-B80E-43CC-851F-62F54CE51B0F@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:07:10 -0400 References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Room is hot! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I would ask the desk to send someone to turn the heat off. Marshall On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:44 AM, wrote: > I'm at fourth floor (45xx) and I'm also suffering from heat. > > There is some sort of thermostat on the wall but it's not making > anyt difference. I could understand lack of A/C, but I don't get why > the radiator has to be heating the room constantly. In the corridors > the temperature is much better. > > My partial solution has been to keep the window open all day and > night. > > Teemu > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of ext Mahesh Jethanandani > Sent: 28 July, 2008 08:37 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Room is hot! > > I understand that Europe in general and Ireland in particular is > facing unusual amount of warm weather. I am on the top floor and > facing the brunt of the heat. The room A/C is completely > ineffective. Tried changing rooms to another floor but that room had > no A/C. Are others facing similar issues? > -- > > Mahesh Jethanandani > Technical Leader > Corporate Development > > mahesh@cisco.com > Phone :+1 408 527-8230 > Fax :+1 408 527-6351 > > > 170 West Tasman Drive > San Jose, CA 95070 > United States > www.cisco.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. 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If you are not the > intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of > this message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:13:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023E23A6A78; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B923A696D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZ3N2GTjoWr5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF4C3A6A49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12269086; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:13:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4F4EF646-BFC5-4DB2-A423-707B078BDEEE@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:13:28 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] internet connetion speed is too slow in the room andmeeting room X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org As has mine in 25XX. Marshall On Jul 28, 2008, at 5:24 AM, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: >> +1 >> >> Most of the time, the audio streaming does not work because of the >> poor network. > > For what it's worth, my in-room connection in 45xx has been perfect. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:17:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD40A28C10D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389AF3A699E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XoAJyvvYVJiT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC5528C10D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12269112; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:17:57 -0400 Message-Id: <24A56058-FD3A-4B98-80E7-DDCC36D7F2E6@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:17:54 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Alexa Morris wrote: > The hotel has committed to taking several additional measures in an > effort > to improve the lunch experience for attendees. > > In order to provide a variety of options, the menu will change each > day. > Each afternoon during the 1500-1520 break they will deliver the next > day's > menu to us and we will post it on the whiteboard that is adjacent to > the > registration tables. > > They are also adding another food/beverage station to the Kingswood > Suite > tomorrow, for a total of four stations. This should help to > alleviate any > traffic problems. > > In addition, I've been informed that credit cards are accepted at each > station, and that beverages are also available at each station. > Credit cards > definitely take more time to process than cash and there isn't much > to be > done about that; however, it is faster to charge your meal to your > sleeping > room if that is an option for you. My experience in charging to the room is that they want the little booklet they give you with your room number. Marshall > > > Regards, > Alexa > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:18:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365A63A696D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53163A6A57 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fZFB7m46tfE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8343A6892 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6SEGgaG026428; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:18:38 -0500 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:18:15 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:18:03 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:18:01 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946739CBD5@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <1B309B6DC3B05440ACC14187BCB308A403A9D28A@S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Venue floor plan Thread-Index: AcjwtgGwbeSiwTE4RiuBOpu8bHxmkQAAvLBgAADaFzA= References: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946739CB91@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> <1B309B6DC3B05440ACC14187BCB308A403A9D28A@S4DE8PSAAGM.mitte.t-com.de> From: To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 14:18:03.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2D15E0:01C8F0BC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [72attendees] Venue floor plan X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1742276734==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1742276734== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BC.BF117046" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BC.BF117046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dirk, yes, thank you. I got this several times now. But, this map does not show "Franklin Hall = Foyer" either. =20 No wonder - there is no such place in this hotel; there is a mistake in = the agenda (probably a leftover from Philadelphia). The agenda should = say "Kingswood suite". Since I have clarified this issue at the registration desk, I assume = that the agenda will be corrected (for what it's worth - since it's late = at this point; the rest of the days are correct). =20 Cheers. =20 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh=20 E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566=20 =20 ________________________________ From: ext Von-Hugo, Dirk [mailto:Dirk.Hugo@t-systems.com]=20 Sent: 28 July, 2008 16:53 To: Ordogh Zoltan (Nokia-D-MSW/Tampere); 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: AW: [72attendees] Venue floor plan =09 =09 Hi Zoltan You may have a look at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72/ where also the = interactive room maps (http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72/venue/) are = located. =20 Best regards=20 Dirk=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = Im Auftrag von Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2008 15:32 An: 72attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [72attendees] Venue floor plan =20 Hi all,=20 I am looking for the floor plan in elecronic format.=20 There is a link on the IETF72 page=20 http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/ =20 that points here:=20 http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conferenceandmeetings_centre.aspx = =20 There is a PDF document there, however only a toiny fraction of the = venue is included.=20 Does anyone have these floor plans?=20 Cheers.=20 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh=20 E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BC.BF117046 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [72attendees] Venue floor plan
Hi Dirk,
yes, thank you.
I got this several times now. But, this = map does not=20 show "Franklin Hall Foyer" either.
 
No wonder - there is no such place in this hotel; = there is a=20 mistake in the agenda (probably a leftover from Philadelphia).=20 The=20 agenda should say "Kingswood suite".
Since I have clarified this issue at the registration = desk, I=20 assume that the agenda will be corrected (for what it's worth - since = it's late=20 at this point; the rest of the days are correct).
 
Cheers.
 
 

Best = regards: Zolt=E1n=20 =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot=20 com
Phone: +358 50 386=20 0566

From: ext Von-Hugo, Dirk=20 [mailto:Dirk.Hugo@t-systems.com]
Sent: 28 July, 2008=20 16:53
To: Ordogh Zoltan (Nokia-D-MSW/Tampere);=20 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: AW: [72attendees] Venue floor=20 plan

Hi=20 Zoltan

You may = have a look=20 at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/72= /=20 where also the interactive room maps (http://tools.ietf.org/age= nda/72/venue/)=20 are located.

 

Best = regards=20

Dirk 

-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
Von: = 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = Im Auftrag von=20 Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2008 = 15:32
An:=20 72attendees@ietf.org
Betreff:=20 [72attendees] Venue floor plan

 

Hi=20 all,
I am looking for the floor = plan in=20 elecronic format.

There is a = link on=20 the IETF72 page
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/=20
that points = here:=20
http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/conferenceandmeetings_centre.as= px=20
There is a PDF document = there,=20 however only a toiny fraction of the venue is included. =

Does = anyone have=20 these floor plans?
Cheers.

Best=20 regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan = dot ordogh=20 at nokia dot com
Phone: +358 50 = 386=20 0566

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Please turn off your 6to4 RAs for 2002:8281 you are causing other users issues. thanks joelja _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:40:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A025328C10C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C7328C10C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.176, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v+WTOeDJOq3r for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl953.usa.alcatel.com (audl953.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.162]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181CD3A68D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs02.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.13]) by audl953.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6SEeM2Y003829 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:40:22 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.10]) by usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:40:21 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:40:21 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:40:21 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network Thread-Index: Acjwv9zZB6SDVCesQoO906oZP6Fjsw== From: "LANGE Andrew" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 14:40:21.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD06CF90:01C8F0BF] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Subject: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0507463980==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0507463980== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting = negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. = Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're = generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some = issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure.=20 The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, = and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing = congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit on = the router ports facing the guestroom network. =20 There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was = affecting some PPTP users in their rooms.=20 Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our = infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom = side. Andrew ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network

Because the heavy load on the guest room network is = interacting negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in = the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like = we're generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering = some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure.

The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, = and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing = congestion and poor TV performance.  We have lifted the rate-limit = on the router ports facing the guestroom network. 

There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was = affecting some PPTP users in their rooms.

Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our = infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom = side.

Andrew

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701-- --===============0507463980== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0507463980==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:54:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046C13A6AAD; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:54:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B593A6AA6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JA0LGewSIOAe for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 327EA3A6AAD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 69089 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 14:54:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=YYVXoQ7XcLCS4NSVDxgIJqp7HvIt4vodWxY1XrdHZlS5Lty6P6FZQhP+A1fBuf3ulMJkNmRhU/aQuyyD69/IxdjCn9FXncszr4cl3/05+0ieQgmPujxWl0Lr/hcYai39zHtGbbO9OyMHFECQiy9UxUx2/snTmaVskAbcOkOJZEE=; Received: from [130.129.20.50] by web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:54:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Burger To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <275749.68421.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Burger List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1856365170==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1856365170== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1604033737-1217256847=:68421" --0-1604033737-1217256847=:68421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Their web site also is "undergoing technical difficulties." ----- Original Message ---- From: LANGE Andrew To: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:40:21 PM Subject: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure. The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit on the router ports facing the guestroom network. There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms. Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom side. Andrew --0-1604033737-1217256847=:68421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Their web site also is "undergoing techn= ical difficulties."

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From: LANGE Andrew <Andrew.Lange@alcatel-lucent.com>
To: 7= 2attendees@ietf.org
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Subject: [= 72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network

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Because the heavy load on = the guest room network is interacting negatively with the delivery of video= over IP to the TVs in the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced = traffic loads like we're generating from the guest room side, and we're lik= ely uncovering some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure.
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=0AThe hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morn= ing, and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing con= gestion and poor TV performance.=A0 We have lifted the rate-limit on the ro= uter ports facing the guestroom network.=A0
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=0AThere has also bee= n a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was affecting some PPTP = users in their rooms.
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=0ABoth the wireless and terminal room netw= orks, are directly over our infrastructure and are unaffected by these issu= es with the guestroom side.
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=0A=0A --0-1604033737-1217256847=:68421-- --===============1856365170== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1856365170==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:20:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8205F28C17C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8CE28C16D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uv1dAt1k8vYO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDE93A6A8A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3311413 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:20:13 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:29:38 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:29:38 -0700 Message-ID: <488DE3AA.6060705@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:20:10 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: <24A56058-FD3A-4B98-80E7-DDCC36D7F2E6@multicasttech.com> In-Reply-To: <24A56058-FD3A-4B98-80E7-DDCC36D7F2E6@multicasttech.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> definitely take more time to process than cash and there isn't much to be >> done about that; however, it is faster to charge your meal to your >> sleeping >> room if that is an option for you. > > My experience in charging to the room is that they want the little > booklet they give you with > your room number. 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I already find one. (Sorry for the delay in the response, but I had a email delivery problem). _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:35:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8F728C16D; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A3428C0E0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2GjxjZpy-j2t for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE783A6845 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0ED7FC4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YD7y1symnOQB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.232] (unknown [130.129.23.232]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538C17FC3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:14 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: AC in Meeting Rooms Thread-Index: Acjwx4dZxgxkCly6Ed2JjQAf88vDKQ== Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] AC in Meeting Rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org We are aware that several of the meeting rooms -- Convention 2 in particular -- are very warm. The hotel is having the AC serviced this evening in an effort to improve the efficiency (and hopefully reduce the noise) of the system. If this is not sufficient, the hotel will look into more creative solutions. In the meantime, we appreciate your patience and we apologize for any discomfort. Alexa _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:35:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58593A6982; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760DC3A6ABE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SosULJD13K6o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teletubbie.het.net.je (teletubbie.het.net.je [IPv6:2001:610:508:110:192:87:110:29]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899513A6AAD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 64-103-25-233.cisco.com ([64.103.25.233] helo=dhcp-130-129-20-48.meeting.ietf.org) by teletubbie.het.net.je with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KNUlR-00045U-81 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:35:57 +0200 Message-ID: <488DE75C.3020405@wierenga.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:35:56 +0200 From: Klaas Wierenga User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Antivirus: no malware found Subject: [72attendees] still looking for a social ticket... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I was sure I had registered for the social but clearly not, so if someone has one left, please unicast me. Cheers, Klaas _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:40:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537A13A6845; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E66C3A6845 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwrchRft9sSo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383E33A65A6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.21.10] ([130.129.21.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6SFePjq044895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:40:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Message-Id: <36364B32-19B5-4DF5-842E-010D0D6AD6C6@nostrum.com> From: Ben Campbell To: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:40:25 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.21.10 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7864/Mon Jul 28 06:50:42 2008 on shaman.nostrum.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] AC in Meeting Rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 28, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > We are aware that several of the meeting rooms -- Convention 2 in > particular > -- are very warm. The hotel is having the AC serviced this evening > in an > effort to improve the efficiency (and hopefully reduce the noise) of > the > system. If this is not sufficient, the hotel will look into more > creative > solutions. > Having been in both Convention 2 and Ballroom 2 today, I think Ballroom 2 is far hotter. I guess that could be a morning vs afternoon difference. In any case, things are getting pretty ripe in BR2 at the moment. > In the meantime, we appreciate your patience and we apologize for any > discomfort. > > Alexa > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:44:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A362A3A6845; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA533A65A6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TZ2-EnZ8DJtP for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5743A6845 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15739852" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 15:44:13 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SFiD53026965 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:44:13 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SFiDVJ007917 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:44:13 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.53]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:44:13 -0400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:44:43 -0400 Message-ID: <15B86BC7352F864BB53A47B540C089B605E2267A@xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <36364B32-19B5-4DF5-842E-010D0D6AD6C6@nostrum.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Water bottles - Complain! Thread-Index: AcjwyF1GqTHHfxnDSGuLQubl/0hEXQAADACg References: <36364B32-19B5-4DF5-842E-010D0D6AD6C6@nostrum.com> From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 15:44:13.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[C920E200:01C8F0C8] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=153; t=1217259854; x=1218123854; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rajiva@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Rajiv=20Asati=20(rajiva)=22=20 |Subject:=20Water=20bottles=20=20-=20Complain! |Sender:=20 |To:=20<72attendees@ietf.org>; bh=Og2CBL4LuvZX0pYnTE6uE/h0C0glnpn90580Q2Zp6Y4=; b=YxkSTUgSKhao9zvdhZ1NK2G2gvTLnIPsp2+7Zli9HdW2He7waWfAm+kHKy pjeabjs/a8dIOIR1qV7dD4OgHnb6USkx23s74ByBozWhR9COc4aRI5rXmTWR 1i7wSEbkRd; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=rajiva@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Water bottles - Complain! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org What's the best way to complain about the lack of (enough) water bottles next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? Cheers, Rajiv _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:47:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA1428C193; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A87628C193 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkW7gZKkr6Tz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C7028C158 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12270093 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:47:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5CCDB647-5EF1-477E-8528-4EDB73880AE1@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:47:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] jabber down ? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The jabber for MEXT seems to be down. I have alerted the authorities. Marshall _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:47:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1081A28C1A7; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A546428C1A7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5PRU1SOKJ7ry for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F049528C1A2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBF3481BF; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HkcToyukcz40; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.232] (unknown [130.129.23.232]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BABA7FC4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:47:54 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Water bottles - Complain! Thread-Index: AcjwyF1GqTHHfxnDSGuLQubl/0hEXQAADACgAAAvxNA= In-Reply-To: <15B86BC7352F864BB53A47B540C089B605E2267A@xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Water bottles - Complain! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This works :-) Thank you for letting us know. We'll take care of it now. Alexa On 7/28/08 8:44 AM, "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" wrote: > > What's the best way to complain about the lack of (enough) water bottles > next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? > > Cheers, > Rajiv > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:48:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5223828C1DB; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996A028C1C9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.539, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEzvuKdILj55 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F9B28C1DD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SFmiFu013620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:44 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SFmhiv018728; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:43 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.12]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:43 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.23]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:48:42 +0200 Received: from 10.162.24.169 ([10.162.24.169]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:48:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:48:40 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Ahmad Muhanna , Mary Barnes , Ed Juskevicius , ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQABMdJgAAFWGyAAAJpZwAAGgJ0C In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 15:48:42.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[6986E500:01C8F0C9] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello everybody, I think it is important to know that the standards for cooking food including dietary and religious considerations. I personally have quite a few allergies, which makes traveling to some countries (like US) a pain. However, you just have to learn in which countries you have to be careful and for which reasons. The number of religions, dietary, and other restrictions we represent are huge in our community. The hotels and restaurants in different countries reflect (or don't reflect) these things quite differently. So, you have to be very careful with food if you have food restrictions. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/28/08 4:00 PM, "ext Ahmad Muhanna" wrote: > > I also would like to add the following: apparently the food is cooked > with a different set of standards that at least what I know of happening > in the US. > > It is known that for religious reasons, some people do not eat Pork > products. I actually sent that feedback to the organizer earlier before > the meeting as a feedback saying: that my only request is for plates > which have pork products to be clearly MARKED. What I learned from > several people and one of the managers is that Pork products are fried > in the same oil pan with other meat products, like Beef and Chicken. > > This means that All meat products to those who do not eat pork is not > eatable. > > Regards, > Ahmad > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Barnes, >> Mary (RICH2:AR00) >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:28 PM >> To: Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12); jordi.palet@consulintel.es >> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> I had a big problem finding dietary restriction friendly >> food. I had thought that the intent was to accommodate us as >> noted on the materials we received at check-in. The lady I >> finally (nicely) harassed into getting me a plain salad >> looked at me like I had 3 heads when I mentioned my dietary >> restrictions. >> >> If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us >> with dietary restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, >> egg-free, vegan, vegetarian, kosher, etc.) I would love to >> know as would quite a few other folks. >> >> Mary. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12) >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 AM >> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> Where did you queue-up for lunch today? >> >> I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to >> complete a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood >> Suite (above the Terminal >> Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for >> my choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many >> different sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, >> under plastic wrap), and lots of sandwiches all around the room. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM >> To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... >> >> The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is >> really low ! >> >> Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... >> This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and >> right now, I waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. >> Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically >> improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra >> minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long >> waiting time in any previous IETF. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> >> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >> http://www.ipv6day.org >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be >> privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be >> for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:44:43AM -0400, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote a message of 10 lines which said: > What's the best way to complain about the lack of (enough) water bottles > next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? Water at the tap is perfectly drinkable in Ireland (a country where water is never missing). _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 08:53:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1F328C1B5; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@ietf.org Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id A440E28C151; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement list Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080728155335.A440E28C151@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] 72nd IETF - Agenda Changes X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org ROOM CHANGE Tuesday, July 29, 2008 at 1520-1720 MIPSHOP was moved from Convention 2 to Ballroom 1 BEHAVE was moved from Ballroom 1 to Convention 2 Tuesday, July 29, 2008 at 1850-1950 BEHAVE was moved from Rathcoole to Convention 2 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:01:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2047128C1ED; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEE928C1ED for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I=B9m in the Golf hotel building and PPTP still doesn=B9t work for me (just tried again several times with several servers). Also MSN seems to have stop working since an hour or so ago ... Regards, Jordi From: LANGE Andrew Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:40:21 -0500 To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure. The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit on the router ports facing the guestroom network. There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms. Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom side. Andrew _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. 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Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, and they don't have a self-service facility. Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry nearby? -Jim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:10:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65C28C1D6; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DEE28C1CF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHZWifjkq5gK for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5A43A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3311516 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:10:19 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:19:43 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:19:43 -0700 Message-ID: <488DEF68.2040308@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:10:16 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Fenton References: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Self-service laundry X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jim Fenton wrote: > Since my family and I have been traveling for a week or so prior to > IETF, we were hoping we would find some laundry services here. > Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, and > they don't have a self-service facility. > > Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry nearby? Funny you should ask that. The nearest Laundrette I could find is in Tallaght. It's a pay-by-the-load (or by the kg -- I'm not 100% sure). You drop it off in the morning and they wash/dry/fold and you pick it up in the evening. But unfortunately it's in Tallaght. I haven't actually USED them yet so I cannot vouch for their service, but I was planning to use White Wash. http://whitewash-laundry.com/ I was planning to go over there tomorrow morning. > -Jim -derek -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. 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Thread-Index: AcjweM8kLHi8Rn/CSWSlHlDwJGFbcAAU0oWA References: <488C8969.6030603@isoc.org><001201c8f050$a9d8d970$265b150a@cisco.com> <488D6304.1030201@employees.org> From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" To: "Scott Brim" , "Dan Wing (dwing)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 16:11:00.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[86AC69E0:01C8F0CC] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1458; t=1217261462; x=1218125462; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rajiva@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Rajiv=20Asati=20(rajiva)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Other=20Spouse's=20visi ting=20Dublin? |Sender:=20; bh=h4v05F0gjgxhGElRQhsfEP/d2dSY5jpWV6J5GZR3XEA=; b=eF+i723Ud1zPPRZ6vh+jkRvl/7ai7C0EOTXf7iGmP9m9G4DMMOFcEsKX8F YoqvbOBh/FCJZ2Bk3zRyPNtDG/Zt9w+BMP+Yr+dvrWJYBmikFFEkPBc8wCGv KrHuKts4uIQqzI0dh1KH5RFGumZIX4GkzbbpZbsGc3dWZrhrT6RRE=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=rajiva@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, ietf-moms@lists.ox.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Given the ongoing recommendations, I intend to visit Newgrange as well. However, I just noticed that the Citywest Hotel wasn't included as the pickup for Mary Gibbons tour. How are folks doing this? Cheers, Rajiv > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scott Brim > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:11 AM > To: Dan Wing (dwing) > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org; ietf-moms@lists.ox.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? > > On 7/28/08 2:24 AM, Dan Wing allegedly wrote: > > I'm staying in town (not at the Citywest). My wife and > daughter are doing > > Newgrange on Tuesday with the Mary Gibbons tour company: > > http://www.newgrangetours.com, approximately 35 Euros for > adults and 20 Euros > > for munchkins. > > > > I have been to Newgrange twice and highly recommend it. We > haven't been on > > this tour, though -- we have always driven there. The Mary > Gibbons tour > > company is recommended by several of our guidebooks, for > whatever that's > > worth. > > Here's a high recommendation for Mary Gibbons. I learned a lot more > about the whole Boyne River area than I would have just on my own. > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:12:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6900828C1C9; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C6F28C10C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bvi79NvPGwZF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9233A6845 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15612441" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 16:12:13 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SGCDMP008100; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:12:13 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SGCDXg000706; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:12:13 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-97-118.cisco.com [10.61.97.118]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6SGCCA10755; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807281612.m6SGCCA10755@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:12:10 +0100 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es, <72attendees@ietf.org> From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=560; t=1217261533; x=1218125533; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Update=20on=20the=20Hot el's=20Guestroom=20Network |Sender:=20; bh=BeHgZd7hzc880MhO/MHtMq6K2CPOdBmShorgjm1mkxo=; b=CQFhF7F3Rx1WG+vQUqyZx9HS/bd+9qPChBILT+WFkIQ7pLbT8dS+gsEUHN AOtuhkN6n5GwDfwGMjl7+tVoiVUrfybMp91O84vuDkX2xV8TsWaC5rt0O3lO AN2R+fvMr7; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Monday 28/07/2008 17:00 +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I=B9m in the Golf hotel building and PPTP still doesn=B9t work for me (just >tried again several times with several servers). IPsec VPN traffic is now blocked over Ethernet - was working fine yesterday= /this morning, but once you're setup, no traffic seems to be passed. What c= hanged? (I'm in 31xx there.) And since the only wireless over in the golf hotel building is the experime= ntal v6 net, you need to come to the other building and Wifi to work/even s= end this mail. L. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:23:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A9A28C0FB; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC5E3A69E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pihiHJuxyJdm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15713A68F4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15613389" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 16:23:08 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SGN79K011092; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:23:07 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SGN7Bw003258; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:23:07 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-97-118.cisco.com [10.61.97.118]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6SGN6A11809; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:23:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807281623.m6SGN6A11809@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:23:05 +0100 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <20080728154848.GA7382@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <36364B32-19B5-4DF5-842E-010D0D6AD6C6@nostrum.com> <15B86BC7352F864BB53A47B540C089B605E2267A@xmb-rtp-20b.amer.cisco.com> <20080728154848.GA7382@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=605; t=1217262187; x=1218126187; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Water=20bottles=20=20-= 20Complain! |Sender:=20; bh=pg3ZJQ1LP86Y2NWLMeXVi8qUqlKFn2V02ph8tQnXA40=; b=pMifG0+cTu1+i3o0pT5aRZNDDUehZOnDp5f5z+RUu2ykSJzQOCl+81b5lD /iP63V5is7t5puvlHM6UqJahdtjdswqQvUVH+U4ZhftSe0K2oBHpsdxOy667 NREnhn6nBF; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Water bottles - Complain! X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Monday 28/07/2008 16:48 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:44:43AM -0400, > Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote > a message of 10 lines which said: > >> What's the best way to complain about the lack of (enough) water bottles >> next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? > >Water at the tap is perfectly drinkable in Ireland (a country where >water is never missing). What's the best way to complain about the lack of any taps next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? L. not drinking from the toilet, thankyou. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:23:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB2728C1F0; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682EF28C1F0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sKSzMNlSl+OV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2017928C0FB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15613457" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 16:24:02 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SGO2Du011305; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:24:02 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SGO1er003456; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:24:02 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-332.cisco.com ([144.254.231.73]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:24:01 +0200 Received: from [10.61.98.224] ([10.61.98.224]) by xfe-ams-332.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:24:01 +0200 Message-ID: <488DF29C.4060501@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:56 -0700 From: Cheryl Madson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins References: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> <488DEF68.2040308@pgp.com> In-Reply-To: <488DEF68.2040308@pgp.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 16:24:01.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[58436480:01C8F0CE] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1245; t=1217262242; x=1218126242; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=cmadson@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cheryl=20Madson=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Self-service=20laundry |Sender:=20; bh=mF8/RQZ8gtFdNiZPngMK9B7AL63Q3/8RATNdF+kk8eY=; b=ali7J1T+iaFC14c7Gnf4GqkxXalx4T0SBYmoycuy2r3Ic+Tzm3JyXZgU/q JF95uVy+04zhtTR6YZCQO7RgSy1RBBCcZjz+9w1INwAbTup9kxnAGA9FPdia JGmHuDfJlH; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=cmadson@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Self-service laundry X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmadson@cisco.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've noticed a wash place in Rathcoole. This is in a strip mall that also has a dry cleaner a few doors down. AFAIR it's on Fitzmaurice Road. They were closed yesterday, so no idea about prices, etc. thx - C On 7/28/2008 9:10 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: > Jim Fenton wrote: >> Since my family and I have been traveling for a week or so prior to >> IETF, we were hoping we would find some laundry services here. >> Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, and >> they don't have a self-service facility. >> >> Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry nearby? > > Funny you should ask that. The nearest Laundrette I could find is in > Tallaght. It's a pay-by-the-load (or by the kg -- I'm not 100% sure). > You drop it off in the morning and they wash/dry/fold and you pick it up > in the evening. But unfortunately it's in Tallaght. > > I haven't actually USED them yet so I cannot vouch for their service, > but I was planning to use White Wash. http://whitewash-laundry.com/ > > I was planning to go over there tomorrow morning. > >> -Jim > > -derek > -- Cheryl Madson STG - IOS Crypto Infrastructure Cisco Systems, Inc. cmadson@cisco.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:36:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FD828C10C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EB728C10C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23vzI6X6teEs for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEB93A6A03 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.72]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6SGaCu24202; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:36:12 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Thread-Index: Acjwotw2e5p/1of2c0SyQqGCMCslbQABMdJgAAFWGyAAAJpZwAAGgJ0CAAFEFPA= References: From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" , "Ahmad Muhanna" , "Ed Juskevicius" , "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jonne, Your points are entirely valid. My primary concern with this current meeting location is that there is not reasonable access to food that we can safely eat. I am in sessions ALL day from 8am until 7 or 8 pm which makes "running" to a market not at all feasible. Also, traveling internationally dramatically decreases the amount of food that I can bring from home, so I start the meeting week with a deficit of safe foods. And, yes, folks like us have to be very careful, but when it means missing a meal (and of course, break snacks are entirely out of the question), I don't think it's acceptable. Most chefs are trained to deal with these things - in my view, it would not be that difficult for us to provide our restrictions to them and have a specific area (certain tables, certain restaurant) to get our meals, where we are able to be very specific about the food we need. For me, the risk of cross contamination at buffets makes those not the best choices at all. Mary. -----Original Message----- From: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) [mailto:jonne.soininen@nsn.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:49 AM To: Muhanna, Ahmad (RICH1:2H10); Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12); ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... Hello everybody, I think it is important to know that the standards for cooking food including dietary and religious considerations. I personally have quite a few allergies, which makes traveling to some countries (like US) a pain. However, you just have to learn in which countries you have to be careful and for which reasons. The number of religions, dietary, and other restrictions we represent are huge in our community. The hotels and restaurants in different countries reflect (or don't reflect) these things quite differently. So, you have to be very careful with food if you have food restrictions. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/28/08 4:00 PM, "ext Ahmad Muhanna" wrote: > > I also would like to add the following: apparently the food is cooked > with a different set of standards that at least what I know of > happening in the US. > > It is known that for religious reasons, some people do not eat Pork > products. I actually sent that feedback to the organizer earlier > before the meeting as a feedback saying: that my only request is for > plates which have pork products to be clearly MARKED. What I learned > from several people and one of the managers is that Pork products are > fried in the same oil pan with other meat products, like Beef and Chicken. > > This means that All meat products to those who do not eat pork is not > eatable. > > Regards, > Ahmad > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Barnes, Mary >> (RICH2:AR00) >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:28 PM >> To: Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12); jordi.palet@consulintel.es >> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> I had a big problem finding dietary restriction friendly food. I had >> thought that the intent was to accommodate us as noted on the >> materials we received at check-in. The lady I finally (nicely) >> harassed into getting me a plain salad looked at me like I had 3 >> heads when I mentioned my dietary restrictions. >> >> If there is a place that is serving lunch for those of us with >> dietary restrictions (gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, vegan, >> vegetarian, kosher, etc.) I would love to know as would quite a few >> other folks. >> >> Mary. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Juskevicius, Ed (CAR:1A12) >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:51 AM >> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> Where did you queue-up for lunch today? >> >> I was in v6ops this morning, and then stayed a bit longer to complete >> a few things. I wandered over to the Kingswood Suite (above the >> Terminal >> Room) at 12:30 p.m., and waited less than 1 minute to pay for my >> choice of sandwich, dessert and beverage. There were many different >> sandwich choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap), >> and lots of sandwiches all around the room. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 AM >> To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... >> >> I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... >> >> The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really >> low ! >> >> Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... >> This morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I >> waited almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. >> Really not acceptable service, I hope they can radically improve it >> by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many extra minutes to wait in >> the queues and never have seen this long waiting time in any previous >> IETF. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> >> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >> http://www.ipv6day.org >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged >> or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be >> aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the >> contents of this information, including attached files, is >> prohibited. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:51:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE03528C1ED; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32E03A6969 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NmRw4m3weLMO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.124]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DEC3A6941 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Uttaro1 ([24.168.8.40]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080726145121.UMTW10022.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@Uttaro1>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:51:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c8ef30$4b33be10$6401a8c0@Uttaro1> From: "James Uttaro" To: "LANGE Andrew" , "Stephane Bortzmeyer" , "Ted Lemon" References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org><488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu><0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM><19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com><20080726140608.GA3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B61@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1848678808==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1848678808== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C8EF0E.C36F6FE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C8EF0E.C36F6FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?Are there any = runnig trails in/around Dublin that show the city??=20 Jim Uttaro ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LANGE Andrew=20 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer ; Ted Lemon=20 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Tallaght is 7km away. The local food and drink site is oriented = toward things that are within walking distance of the hotel. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM To: Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 126 lines which said: > There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might = do,=20 > including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese = restaurants. I > haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. I do not find Tallaght on = or = ? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C8EF0E.C36F6FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or = Sunday?
Are there any runnig trails in/around = Dublin that=20 show the city??
 
Jim Uttaro
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LANGE Andrew =
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer ; Ted = Lemon
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 = 10:16=20 AM
Subject: Re: [72attendees] = Arriving=20 Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

Tallaght is 7km away.  The local food and drink = site is=20 oriented toward things that are within walking distance of the=20 hotel.

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org= on=20 behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer
Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM
To: = Ted=20 Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject:= Re:=20 [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

On Sat, Jul = 26, 2008=20 at 08:10:52AM -0500,
 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote
 a=20 message of 126 lines which said:

> There are a number of = restaurants=20 in the Tallaght area that might do, 
> including a tandoor = and=20 balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. I
> haven't = tried them=20 yet, but am cautiously hopeful.

I do not find Tallaght = on
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink= >=20 or
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-= and-drink-map-view>=20 ?
_______________________________________________
72attendees = mailing=20 list
72attendees@ietf.org
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Or are we expected to get our own ? Abhijit _____________ Sent from my smartphone -----Original Message----- From: Theo Zourzouvillys [mailto:theo@voip.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:34 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Ben Campbell Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does your > Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate DSL = modem? Yup, it's fine for me. annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the desk in the room :/ ~ Theo _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8EF5A.3328C123 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [72attendees] In-room network

Do they provide an ethernet cable ? Or are we expected = to get our own ?


Abhijit
_____________
Sent from my smartphone

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Theo Zourzouvillys [mailto:theo@voip.co.uk]
Sent:   Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:34 PM Pacific Standard = Time
To:     Ben Campbell
Cc:     72attendees@ietf.org
Subject:        Re: [72attendees] = In-room network

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> = wrote:
> Is the citywest in-room network working for anyone? If so, does = your
> Ethernet cable plug directly to the wall socket or to a separate = DSL modem?

Yup, it's fine for me.

annoyed i forget my WRT54GS, and now stuck next with sitting at the
desk in the room :/

 ~ Theo
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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0412396506==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0412396506== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29305_1217214912_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29305_1217214912_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi all, I will be arriving Wed morn (DUB 8:30am), sans kids (Yay Grandma!) and was = wondering what the best route to the Citywest hotel was. Taxi, bus, LUAS, = etc.? I'll have my luggage with me, which is in the somewhat to mostly man= ageable category. I just remember in Prague everyone was saying not to rid= e the public transit with your luggage... Also does anyone have any group plans for Wed, Thurs or Fri? We won't be c= hecking out until Sat. Is there stuff to do at the hotel? Thanks, Julie Roach (Adam Roach's wife) -------------- Original message from "Dan Wing" : -------= ------- > I'm staying in town (not at the Citywest). My wife and daughter are doin= g > Newgrange on Tuesday with the Mary Gibbons tour company: > http://www.newgrangetours.com, approximately 35 Euros for adults and 20 E= uros > for munchkins.=20=20 >=20 > I have been to Newgrange twice and highly recommend it. We haven't been = on > this tour, though -- we have always driven there. The Mary Gibbons tour > company is recommended by several of our guidebooks, for whatever that's > worth. >=20 > -d >=20=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org=20 > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ray Pelletier > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:43 PM > > To: Thomas Walsh > > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin? > >=20 > > Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby=20 > > Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another. > > Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge. > > Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5.pdf > >=20 > > Ray > >=20 > > Thomas Walsh wrote: > >=20 > > My wife will be traveling each day into Dublin and is=20 > > interested in joining with others of similar interests. She=20 > > is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks,=20 > > and other cultural highlights. If others would be interested=20 > > in going as a group, let me know. Thanks. > >=20 > > Tom Walsh > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >=20 > - > This is IETF-moms@lists.ox.org > visit https://lists.ox.org/ to unsubscribe --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29305_1217214912_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29305_1217214912_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29305_1217214912_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20
 Hi all,

I will be arriving Wed morn (DUB 8:30am), sans ki= ds (Yay Grandma!) and was wondering what the best route to the Citywest hot= el was.  Taxi, bus, LUAS, etc.?  I'll have my luggage with me, wh= ich is in the somewhat to mostly manageable category.  I just remember= in Prague everyone was saying not to ride the public transit with your lug= gage...

Also does anyone have any group plans for Wed, Thurs or Fri?=   We won't be checking out until Sat.  Is there stuff to do at th= e hotel?

Thanks,
Julie Roach
(Adam Roach's wife)
-------------- Original message from "Dan Wing" <dwing@cisco.com>: -= -------------


> I'm staying in town (not at the Citywest). My wife and daughter a= re doing
> Newgrange on Tuesday with the Mary Gibbons tour company:
> http://www.newgrangetours.com, approximately 35 Euros for adults a= nd 20 Euros
> for munchkins.=20=20
>=20
> I have been to Newgrange twice and highly recommend it. We haven'= t been on
> this tour, though -- we have always driven there. The Mary Gibbon= s tour
> company is recommended by several of our guidebooks, for whatever = that's
> worth.
>=20
> -d
>=20=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org=20
> > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ray Pellet= ier
> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:43 PM
> > To: Thomas Walsh
> > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Other Spouse's visiting Dublin?
> >=20
> > Perhaps spouses/significant others could meet up in the Lobby= =20
> > Monday AM at 0930 near the piano to meet one another.
> > Don't forget to get bus Guest Badge.
> > Bus Schedule: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/72/Shuttle-Info_v5= .pdf
> >=20
> > Ray
> >=20
> > Thomas Walsh wrote:
> >=20
> > My wife will be traveling each day into Dublin and is=20
> > interested in joining with others of similar interests. She= =20
> > is primarily interested in visiting museums, gardens, walks,= =20
> > and other cultural highlights. If others would be interested= =20
> > in going as a group, let me know. Thanks.
> >=20
> > Tom Walsh
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 72attendees@ietf.org
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( [130.129.22.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm17833235wag.39.2008.07.28.02.57.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488D9907.7080504@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:01:43 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins References: <488D771F.3070103@cisco.com> <488D893F.7070207@ripe.net> <488D8A71.3080904@pgp.com> In-Reply-To: <488D8A71.3080904@pgp.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] ATM X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Derek Atkins wrote: > Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anybody know where to find an ATM in the neighbourhood? I need >> some euro's :-) >> > > There's one in the main lobby of the hotel, around the corner "behind" > registration. I have no idea what fees are tied to this ATM. > Follow the 'Bedrooms' directions.. next to the shops on your left. It claimed not to extort any 'extra' fees when I used it yesterday. I haven't seen the rates it offered yet but it is a big bank. /Elwyn > >> Henk >> > > -derek > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:51:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5E528C214; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3D63A68D7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W9HUqYbsb1C3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AE13A6845 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vP5h1Z0060QuhwU56QZfFL; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:33:39 +0000 Received: from MIKES-LAPTOM.comcast.net ([130.129.21.181]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vQZU1Z0093uRCeS3NQZWtr; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:33:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=B-I7KEiXhUcA:10 a=luU9zXCAu-kA:10 a=rwZldraOAAAA:8 a=hSKLNFhGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=IBxWkZYuuyaHWpml6XoA:9 a=qXYqT-Q26uK3DmXpP1AA:9 a=s_PnfQkBHmwjvbOeXvYA:7 a=Gq1_XYINtoGYJoX1ZH0Q1O1a_SwA:4 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:33:30 -0400 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es,<72attendees@ietf.org> From: Michael StJohns In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080728123330.82AE13A6845@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org One of the things I'd like to suggest is getting the hotel to be open and ready to serve at 11:15 rather than still messing around at 11:30 and not serving until 11:35 or so. In the carvery that triggered a pretty long line for a good 20-30 minutes. At 07:12 AM 7/28/2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I think the hotel need to do some quick changes ... > >The throughput in terms of sandwiches delivered per hour is really low ! > >Yesterday in the social, it took me 40 minutes to reach the food ... This >morning the breakfast line was over 15 minutes, and right now, I waited >almost 25 minutes to get a sandwich. Really not acceptable service, I hope >they can radically improve it by tomorrow, I don't think we have so many >extra minutes to wait in the queues and never have seen this long waiting >time in any previous IETF. > >Regards, >Jordi > > > > > > >********************************************** >The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > >Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >http://www.ipv6day.org > >This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:51:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA6828C218; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB8428C151 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gvSPJos4XWC0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.253]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DEEF3A6A57 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 98014 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 14:18:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=GAtzUFI18y6JWTanyPbpzfaR3bXfhdUEzDcJrSZnQq0fMSEYubSD5SxwwYOf4j4bFLFzySaRqMZ6NP+c7ipMqTVBz++KIMi6kvbyfYlWNBEg1AniriLEb4AeSDchhA403H5txy8hy6uYeAXOC++7FQjalA77i/oPxwjBK+LAk6k=; Received: from [130.129.20.158] by web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jarrett Lu To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <896246.97515.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [72attendees] lost my enigma token card X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jarrettlu@yahoo.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1394290808==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1394290808== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2057563650-1217254685=:97515" --0-2057563650-1217254685=:97515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did any one see a black color enigma token card? I believe I lost it in Conservatory or Kingswood area around lunch time. If you saw it or know something about it, please contact me at this email address. Thanks. Jarrett Lu --0-2057563650-1217254685=:97515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Did any one see a black color enigma token card? I believe I lost it
in Conservatory or Kingswood area around lunch time. If you saw
it or know something about it, please contact me at this email address.

Thanks.

Jarrett Lu


--0-2057563650-1217254685=:97515-- --===============1394290808== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1394290808==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:51:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCEB28C21B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6639328C159 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:15:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3yXLjNvRmeX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ee01.elistx.com (ee01.elistx.com [67.154.239.222]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6352328C153 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.elistx.com by elistx.com (PMDF V6.3-2x2 #31546) id <0K4Q00G012D2X6@elistx.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by elistx.com (PMDF V6.3-2x2 #31546) with ESMTP id <0K4Q007132D1A1@elistx.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:15:45 +0100 From: James M Galvin In-reply-to: <24A56058-FD3A-4B98-80E7-DDCC36D7F2E6@multicasttech.com> To: Marshall Eubanks , Alexa Morris Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.7 (Win32) Content-disposition: inline References: <24A56058-FD3A-4B98-80E7-DDCC36D7F2E6@multicasttech.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:42 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -- On Monday, July 28, 2008 10:17 AM -0400 Marshall Eubanks wrote regarding Re: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service -- > My experience in charging to the room is that they want the > little booklet they give you with > your room number. So far I've charged everything I've done on the premises to my room and nobody has questioned me. However, I noticed at lunch today when I gave my room number the cashier entered it on the register, asked for my name, and then after checking the screen said, "Thank you." Presumably my name came up on the screen for a check. Still wanted a signature though. Jim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:57:24 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C3428C1CF; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C0D28C1CF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.253, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qggryFcMd64P for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14373A69E4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6SGuk7V022719; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:57:14 +0300 Received: from vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.24]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:56:46 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:56:40 +0300 Received: from lars.meeting.ietf.org ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:56:40 +0300 Message-Id: <9AB46457-2D9F-4832-9D51-45F557C6763A@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ext Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:56:35 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 16:56:40.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8006EC0:01C8F0D2] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] AC in Meeting Rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 2008-7-28, at 16:35, ext Alexa Morris wrote: > If this is not sufficient, the hotel will look into more creative > solutions. "Free ice cream for everyone!" Lars PS: Thanks, secretariat, for being super-responsive and staying on top of things! _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 09:57:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB343A6A91; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F5E28C1ED for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQb26Rrn6EHj for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (mail.sbg.nic.at [192.174.68.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A400F3A69E4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by mail.sbg.nic.at with XWall v3.42 ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:58:00 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:57:59 +0200 Message-ID: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] In-room network Thread-Index: AcjvVqYFlR7tQ+IyQECkQALuvdTAJwAA400fAF4vtsA= References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> From: "Alexander Mayrhofer" To: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" , "Theo Zourzouvillys" , "Ben Campbell" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Yup, it's fine for me. > I got in my room still between 30 and 80% packet loss around 1pm, so it might vary with the actual location of your room.. Alex _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 10:00:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013723A6ABE; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B394A3A6AA8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.410, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R8oF1w9SLXkh for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420313A69E4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 52DD1A68BF; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ex.arin.net (ex.arin.net [192.136.136.237]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E70A689B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EDAMAME.arin.net ([192.136.136.195]) by ex.arin.net ([192.136.136.237]) with mapi; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:30 -0400 From: Andy Newton To: Jim Fenton , "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Self-service laundry Thread-Index: Acjwy/jNWOHGc9ZORNaQhLeDGStueAAB3a5i Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Self-service laundry X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jim, There was a small business labeled Laundrette in the village just up the road (right out of the main gate for about a 5 minute walk). -andy On 7/28/08 12:06 PM, "Jim Fenton" wrote: > Since my family and I have been traveling for a week or so prior to > IETF, we were hoping we would find some laundry services here. > Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, and > they don't have a self-service facility. > > Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry nearby? > > -Jim > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 10:05:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCE428C1C7; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A5F28C20C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.153, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNyp3PDxt0HR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E16828C241 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215403200"; d="scan'208,217";a="128886225" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:04:56 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215403200"; d="scan'208,217";a="244469499" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:04:55 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:04:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001e01c8ef30$4b33be10$6401a8c0@Uttaro1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Thread-Index: Acjw0k3VtWyMq/MARf60cgR1pUQoOQAAXT4Q References: <4888E986.9050306@isoc.org><488AB90C.3020503@isi.edu><0E17AAD7F5A0ADE4EDD345E5@p3.JCK.COM><19CC1143-C1F7-4F1B-9D41-F015C10D401D@fugue.com><20080726140608.GA3206@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org><66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B61@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <001e01c8ef30$4b33be10$6401a8c0@Uttaro1> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "James Uttaro" , "LANGE Andrew" , "Stephane Bortzmeyer" , "Ted Lemon" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0610332728==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0610332728== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0D4.0E36D088" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0D4.0E36D088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a couple of tourist bus companies in the city doing city tours for around 15 euros, with hop-on and off stops.=20 =20 You need to get into the city center to catch these though.=20 =20 Dan =20 ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Uttaro Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: LANGE Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? =09 =09 Are there any runnig trails in/around Dublin that show the city??=20 =20 Jim Uttaro ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LANGE Andrew =20 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer ; Ted Lemon =20 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Tallaght is 7km away. The local food and drink site is oriented toward things that are within walking distance of the hotel. =09 Andrew =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM To: Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? =09 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 126 lines which said: =09 > There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do,=20 > including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. I > haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. =09 I do not find Tallaght on =09 or =09 ? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees =09 =09 =09 ________________________________ =09 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0D4.0E36D088 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or = Sunday?
There are a couple of tourist bus companies in = the city=20 doing city tours for around 15 euros, with hop-on and off stops.=20
 
You need to get into the city center to catch these though.=20
 
Dan
 

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James=20 Uttaro
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:00 PM
To: = LANGE=20 Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted Lemon
Cc:=20 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving = Friday,=20 Saturday or Sunday?

Are there any runnig trails in/around = Dublin that=20 show the city??
 
Jim Uttaro
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LANGE Andrew =
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer ; Ted = Lemon
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 = 10:16=20 AM
Subject: Re: [72attendees] = Arriving=20 Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

Tallaght is 7km away.  The local food and = drink site is=20 oriented toward things that are within walking distance of the=20 hotel.

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: = 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org= =20 on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer
Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 = AM
To: Ted=20 Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject:= Re:=20 [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

On Sat, = Jul 26,=20 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500,
 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote
 a=20 message of 126 lines which said:

> There are a number of=20 restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, 
> = including a=20 tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. = I
>=20 haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful.

I do not = find=20 Tallaght on
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink= >=20 or
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-= and-drink-map-view>=20 ?
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72attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ie= tf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees

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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0331142558==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0331142558== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C8F0DE.C7E811E0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C8F0DE.C7E811E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GUYS ENJOY THIS ONE I,M NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS YEAR. DAVID GOAISEB From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:05 PM To: James Uttaro; LANGE Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? There are a couple of tourist bus companies in the city doing city tours for around 15 euros, with hop-on and off stops. You need to get into the city center to catch these though. Dan _____ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Uttaro Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: LANGE Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Are there any runnig trails in/around Dublin that show the city?? Jim Uttaro ----- Original Message ----- From: LANGE Andrew To: Stephane Bortzmeyer ; Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? Tallaght is 7km away. The local food and drink site is oriented toward things that are within walking distance of the hotel. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM To: Ted Lemon Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday? On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 126 lines which said: > There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, > including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese restaurants. I > haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful. I do not find Tallaght on or ? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _____ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C8F0DE.C7E811E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

GUYS ENJOY THIS ONE I,M NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS = YEAR.

 

DAVID GOAISEB

 

From:= 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:05 PM
To: James Uttaro; LANGE Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted = Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or = Sunday?

 

There are a couple of tourist bus companies in the city = doing city tours for around 15 euros, with hop-on and off stops. =

 

You need to get into the city center to catch these though. =

 

Dan

 

 

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James = Uttaro
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:00 PM
To: LANGE Andrew; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Ted Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or = Sunday?

Are there any runnig trails in/around Dublin that show the city?? =

 

Jim Uttaro

----- Original Message -----

From: LANGE Andrew =

Sent:<= /b> Saturday, = July 26, 2008 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: = [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

 

Tallaght is 7km away.  The local food and drink site is oriented toward things that = are within walking distance of the hotel.

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer
Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 9:06 AM
To: Ted Lemon
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Arriving Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 08:10:52AM -0500,
 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote
 a message of 126 lines which said:

> There are a number of restaurants in the Tallaght area that might do, 
> including a tandoor and balti house and a couple of Chinese = restaurants. I
> haven't tried them yet, but am cautiously hopeful.

I do not find Tallaght on
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-and-drink= > or
<http://ietf72.alcatel-lucent.com/food-and-drink/local-food-= and-drink-map-view> ?
_______________________________________________
72attendees mailing list
72attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ie= tf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees

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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/28/08 5:11 PM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) allegedly wrote: > Given the ongoing recommendations, I intend to visit Newgrange as well. > > However, I just noticed that the Citywest Hotel wasn't included as the > pickup for Mary Gibbons tour. How are folks doing this? (1) make a reservation. (2) Take the bus into the city, then walk down to the tourist information center, then walk back 30 feet and stand in front of the Pizza Hut. Be there at 10:10am. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 10:33:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78CF28C21B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97C428C21B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.274, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+J4ltS5D6cR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4F228C13E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DD178C2E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:33:14 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <51B23799-11FC-416C-B7C9-74C73E57436E@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20080728123330.82AE13A6845@core3.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:33:12 +0200 References: <20080728123330.82AE13A6845@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org (not meant as a direct reply to Mike) > > One of the things I'd like to suggest is getting the hotel to be > open and ready to serve at 11:15 rather than still messing around at > 11:30 and not serving until 11:35 or so. In the carvery that > triggered a pretty long line for a good 20-30 minutes. I'll contribute the observation that the Lemongrass at the Golf hotel on Saturday nigth asked us when the sessions for each day ended so they would be prepared. I also notice d it was only half full at lunch today. But if people want to walk there, that would ofcourse mean you would have to be out in the fres^W heat-wave and walk for five minutes. But don't worry we are soon back in Minneapolis. Best regards, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 10:43:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E948128C27C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C563128C20C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b070YKfWi1xC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0007.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4958528C276 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD7D4257495; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 30, 2, 0, 5cee0d36662df301, b183cd87435f020d, david@mitton.com, , RULES_HIT:375:379:541:599:857:946:960:962:967:973:980:983:988:989:1126:1130:1141:1189:1208:1224:1254:1260:1313:1314:1359:1431:1437:1516:1517:1534:1541:1589:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2068:2069:2196:2199:2379:2393:2525:2552:2559:2564:2682:2685:2691:2737:2857:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:4250:4860:5007:6117:6119:7679:7903:8603, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none X-session-marker: 6461766964406D6974746F6E2E636F6D Received: from MITTON-LAP.mitton.com (unknown [130.129.65.143]) (Authenticated sender: david@mitton.com) by omf06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:39:08 -0400 To: "LANGE Andrew" ,<72attendees@ietf.org> From: David Mitton In-Reply-To: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad. alcatel.com> References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1046906070==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1046906070== Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" In my room 38xx, I am currently unable to setup a UDP VPN connection to the US (so called UDP-10000 mode).  The connection is setup but I receive 0 packets

But I was successful when I switched to using TCP, port 4005.  I'm using a Cisco VPN client.

Dave.

At 7/28/2008 10:40 AM, LANGE Andrew wrote:
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Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure.

The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing congestion and poor TV performance.  We have lifted the rate-limit on the router ports facing the guestroom network.

There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms.

Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom side.

Andrew
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--===============1046906070== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1046906070==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 10:56:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ACE28C28A; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BDB28C28A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ejktfJzzs2J6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFE428C289 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,266,1215388800"; d="scan'208,217";a="69735131" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 17:56:04 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SHu4n3019125; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:56:04 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SHu0Uj005417; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:56:04 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.188]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:56:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <47951CBFA6409B4C8916514FCB05BFBE049A65AA@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network Thread-Index: Acjw2am0gLu0Y7LCTNyYbGWip79IKwAATnCg References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> From: "Mike McBride (mmcbride)" To: "David Mitton" , "LANGE Andrew" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 17:56:03.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[33C5E350:01C8F0DB] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5524; t=1217267764; x=1218131764; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mmcbride@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Mike=20McBride=20(mmcbride)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Update=20on=20the=20Hot el's=20Guestroom=20Network |Sender:=20; bh=yOfgkcSEFhqQBOknPh3chQxm6z3jb3J9g8g9j9dsz7w=; b=GMJedSuQ7jwuYPpRjNFvkPG6VxhwuhxafmPXaxCkfpcpZc+fsFybuyeD1F rm1/DqY6boE4W3KaYiE7wPzpZ+ET/YYdcBekuLh6on0mh0eTlpzOpVg9RphK uXcTGHPTy8; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=mmcbride@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0984299310==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0984299310== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DB.339A39D3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DB.339A39D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bingo, that (TCP) works for me now as well. thanks mike ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Mitton Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:39 AM To: LANGE Andrew; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network =09 =09 In my room 38xx, I am currently unable to setup a UDP VPN connection to the US (so called UDP-10000 mode). The connection is setup but I receive 0 packets =09 But I was successful when I switched to using TCP, port 4005. I'm using a Cisco VPN client. =09 Dave. =09 At 7/28/2008 10:40 AM, LANGE Andrew wrote: =09 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; =09 boundary=3D"----_=3D_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701" =09 =09 Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure. =09 The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit on the router ports facing the guestroom network.=20 =09 There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms. =09 Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom side. =09 Andrew _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DB.339A39D3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bingo, that (TCP) works for me now as=20 well.
thanks
mike

From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David=20 Mitton
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:39 AM
To: = LANGE=20 Andrew; 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] = Update on=20 the Hotel's Guestroom Network

In my room 38xx, I am currently unable to setup a UDP VPN=20 connection to the US (so called UDP-10000 mode).  The connection = is setup=20 but I receive 0 packets

But I was successful when I switched to = using=20 TCP, port 4005.  I'm using a Cisco VPN = client.

Dave.

At=20 7/28/2008 10:40 AM, LANGE Andrew wrote:
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Because the heavy load on the guest room network is = interacting=20 negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the = rooms.=20 Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're = generating=20 from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some issues in = the=20 underlying guest room infrastructure.

The hotel staff has = been=20 working this issue since early this morning, and they believe that = they have=20 fixed the underlying issue causing congestion and poor TV = performance. =20 We have lifted the rate-limit on the router ports facing the = guestroom=20 network.

There has also been a fix put in place on the = guestroom=20 network that was affecting some PPTP users in their = rooms.

Both the=20 wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our = infrastructure=20 and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom=20 = side.

Andrew
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DB.339A39D3-- --===============0984299310== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0984299310==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 11:09:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06D3A6AD8; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EFB3A6ADA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.444 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.154, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xCGCDWpy3AyJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl953.usa.alcatel.com (audl953.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.162]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B83E3A6AD5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs01.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.19]) by audl953.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6SIA3Lh017707 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:10:03 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.7]) by usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:10:02 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:10:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B84@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control Thread-Index: Acjw3SfT6NZ8+tp7QkWdsLtqijjagg== From: "LANGE Andrew" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 18:10:02.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[27F119D0:01C8F0DD] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Subject: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC Control X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1541029675==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1541029675== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DD.27D7FE6D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DD.27D7FE6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We would like to reiterate that the guestroom network is not under NOC = control. The hotel should be the primary point-of-contact for in-room = issues. It should be understood that the hotel's resources are limited. = They are doing the best that they can for our rather demanding crowd. = Their network simply hasn't been beaten on like this before. Please = bear with them. We are providing both a wireless and wired network in all common areas, = lounges and restaurants that is a clear pipe to the internet. Andrew ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DD.27D7FE6D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guestroom Network not under NOC Control

We would like to reiterate that the guestroom network = is not under NOC control.  The hotel should be the primary = point-of-contact for in-room issues.  It should be understood that = the hotel's resources are limited.  They are doing the best that = they can for our rather demanding crowd.  Their network simply = hasn't been beaten on like this before.  Please bear with them.

We are providing both a wireless and wired network in all common areas, = lounges and restaurants that is a clear pipe to the internet.

Andrew

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0DD.27D7FE6D-- --===============1541029675== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1541029675==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 11:14:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F123A6AE2; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA34D28C267 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XfYFCKzfPQex for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0C328C1D8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3311907 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:55:36 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.65.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:05:02 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:05:02 -0700 Message-ID: <488E0815.6080604@pgp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:55:33 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Mitton References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org What I've just noticed about the HOTEL NAT configuration is that every TCP connection gets a different IP address. There's no consistency, and certainly no long-term bindings. So every time you hit an HTTP server you're hitting it from a different source IP. This is wreaking havoc on my ability to read webmail because every time my source IP changes I get logged out! I suspect that your UDP VPN solution is being hit with the same problem. -derek David Mitton wrote: > In my room 38xx, I am currently unable to setup a UDP VPN connection to > the US (so called UDP-10000 mode). The connection is setup but I > receive 0 packets > > But I was successful when I switched to using TCP, port 4005. I'm using > a Cisco VPN client. > > Dave. > > At 7/28/2008 10:40 AM, LANGE Andrew wrote: >> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701" >> >> >> Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting >> negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the rooms. >> Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're >> generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering some >> issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure. >> >> The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this morning, >> and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing >> congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit on >> the router ports facing the guestroom network. >> >> There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network that >> was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms. >> >> Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over our >> infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the guestroom side. >> >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Derek Atkins Principal Software Engineer PGP Corporation 4 Farragut Ave Somerville, MA 02144 +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) PGP Fingerprint: 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 11:28:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFC53A69EB; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFA33A6861 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YskfbHSsqaN3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D59A3A679C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B77862031E; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:28:11 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ae999bb000004ec0-2e-488e0fbb19a5 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9D6282046E; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:28:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:28:11 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([159.107.197.237]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:28:11 +0200 Message-ID: <488DFDB6.6070001@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:11:18 +0200 From: Balazs Lengyel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LANGE Andrew References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B84@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B84@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 18:28:11.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A51040:01C8F0DF] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC Control X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I think the guest-room network should be controlled by the NOC. Or if control is a too strong term, then they should try to assure somehow that it works properly. As the number of mails on this and on previous IETF shows us, there is a real need to use it. Balazs LANGE Andrew wrote: > > We would like to reiterate that the guestroom network is not under NOC > control. The hotel should be the primary point-of-contact for in-room > issues. It should be understood that the hotel's resources are > limited. They are doing the best that they can for our rather demanding > crowd. Their network simply hasn't been beaten on like this before. > Please bear with them. > > We are providing both a wireless and wired network in all common areas, > lounges and restaurants that is a clear pipe to the internet. > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 11:52:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575783A6AF9; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734AF3A6AF5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uONsARYPuBhQ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB823A6AA0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:217:f2ff:fe4d:a80e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:217:f2ff:fe4d:a80e]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06E130845D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:52:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:52:13 +0100 References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0321558574==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0321558574== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-80-593249025" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-80-593249025 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-79-593249021 --Apple-Mail-79-593249021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The game on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the =20 options look like may need more participants. We will meet at the field at 7:30pm on thursday. regards, Roque On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > Hi, > > We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks =20= > Marcia). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe =20 > that game will move forward. > > I also added the morning possibility in doodle as someone asked me =20 > if that was a possibility. > > Roque > > > > On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > >> ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I =20 >> will check with the hotel staff about the admin issues. >> r. >> >> http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, = > > wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>>> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano >>>> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 >>>> =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> People, >>>> >>>> As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at >>>> the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late >>>> soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun >>>> light is still with us until late. >>>> >>>> Roque >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkiMc/QACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6tXQCeO3A2BT9pQelhHphxIixuZzoT >>>> 400An0015u3Ek2VEcoC/R9Btc+oBxloN >>>> =3DGs5d >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Apple-Mail-79-593249021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

The game = on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the options look = like may need more participants.

We will meet = at the field at 7:30pm on = thursday.

regards,
Roque

=
On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote:

Hi,

We have = the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks Marcia). We = have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that game will = move forward.

I also added the morning = possibility in doodle as someone asked me if that was a = possibility.

Roque


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On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano = wrote:

ok I generated a poll so = people can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff =  about the admin issues.
r.




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People,

As you may have = notice there is a wonderful soccer field at
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soccer game wed or thursday = after the plenaries as the sun
light is still with us until = late.

Roque
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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Found: an Apple VGA dongle on the chairs desk at the front on Convention 1. If it belongs to you, email me to claim it. Colin _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 14:03:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC943A6B09; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0B228C1AF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ibE2XGJi39-3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-in03.nouzelle.com (mx-in01.nouzelle.com [87.119.194.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F97528C22A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (internal02.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFFB40B4C8; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6AD2AC542; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:03:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9CQSgOsLERXn; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:03:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ArnoudMobile (vpn21.witopia.net [38.119.114.41]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5032AC546; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:03:43 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Alexa Morris'" , <72attendees@ietf.org> References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:03:42 +0100 Message-ID: <00c601c8f0f5$6cc8eca0$465ac5e0$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcjwqKeJtOV8J8k0QgavdmFDjnqmMAAAEYYgAAIJqIEAAiVo+AAO4jgw Content-Language: nl Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org That is what I did.. Charged my room. Of course just skip the tip line, since we drag our carcasses to the food/beverage station and that is not serving. /Arnoud -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexa Morris Sent: maandag 28 juli 2008 14:56 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Hotel Lunch Service The hotel has committed to taking several additional measures in an effort to improve the lunch experience for attendees. In order to provide a variety of options, the menu will change each day. Each afternoon during the 1500-1520 break they will deliver the next day's menu to us and we will post it on the whiteboard that is adjacent to the registration tables. They are also adding another food/beverage station to the Kingswood Suite tomorrow, for a total of four stations. This should help to alleviate any traffic problems. In addition, I've been informed that credit cards are accepted at each station, and that beverages are also available at each station. Credit cards definitely take more time to process than cash and there isn't much to be done about that; however, it is faster to charge your meal to your sleeping room if that is an option for you. 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It looks like a rectangular dark piece of plastic. =20 If someone picked it up, please let me know and I can stop by and pick it up from you. My email is abhijitc@cisco.com =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0F7.1A5825C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks,
 
I left a=20 laptop privacy screen on a corner chair
in the bar=20 this afternoon.  It looks like a rectangular
dark piece=20 of plastic.
 
If someone=20 picked it up, please let me know and I can
stop by and=20 pick it up from you. My email is
abhijitc@cisco.com
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0F7.1A5825C3-- --===============1616450004== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1616450004==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 14:21:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C2C28C26B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F256628C25E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.533, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZghtADWwMLVf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og108.obsmtp.com (exprod7og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.169]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AEF28C22A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob108.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:19 PDT Received: from antipi.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.34]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:21:25 -0700 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by antipi.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:21:22 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Reasonably Priced Restaurant in Rathcoole Thread-Index: Acjw9v9WqVpkZNEUQfCk+YaWtd025A== From: "Thomas Walsh" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 21:21:22.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[E21A4560:01C8F0F7] Subject: [72attendees] Reasonably Priced Restaurant in Rathcoole X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2114055700==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2114055700== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0F7.017B8B59" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0F7.017B8B59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Four of us tried the An Poitin Still - Bar Restaurant this evening in Rathcoole. Meals were mostly between 10 and 20 Euros. Varied menu. Most dishes were fine (e.g., Mixed Grill, Irish Stew), except the roast chicken was over cooked and hence dry. The Bramley Apple pie was terrific! Good chips too. =20 The key to the reasonable cost is get to the Bar Restaurant by 8 PM. In the same building is the Main Restaurant where prices are higher but a similar menu after 8 PM. =20 Tom ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0F7.017B8B59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Four of us tried the An Poitin Still – Bar = Restaurant this evening in Rathcoole.  Meals were mostly between 10 and 20 = Euros.  Varied menu.  Most dishes were fine (e.g., Mixed Grill, Irish = Stew), except the roast chicken was over cooked and hence dry.  The = Bramley Apple pie was terrific!  Good chips too.

 

The key to the reasonable cost is get to the Bar = Restaurant by 8 PM.  In the same building is the Main Restaurant where prices are = higher but a similar menu after 8 PM.

 

Tom

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Everybody complaining about the guest room network, I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the guest room network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra what we get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to provide it for us for free. We have network requirements for hosts at http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for everybody to check. I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the guest room network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free access to the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production network to work. That is what the host is responsible for. If you have problems with that, you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They are made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for the hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something they wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean upgrading the whole network - not an option. So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have given us extra! I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room network for free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! Cheers, Jonne. PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better network, please, show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the hosting opportunities from http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They are clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 15:04:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C673A6B23; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008333A6B23 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cfL+vBnJ1+nR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:11:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:11:57 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 22:56, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They > are > made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for > the > hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something > they > wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean > upgrading the > whole network - not an option. > So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have > given us > extra! I find this a rather condescending attitude, especially as the powers that be have deemed it necessary to select a venue that pretty much precludes any choice on the part of the participants. I'm sure the people from the host, the regular volunteers, and maybe even the hotel people, are working quite hard to get everything working as well as can be expected. (My 60% packet loss has cleared up nicely, thanks for that.) But that doesn't mean we don't get to point out shortcomings for fear of someone taking it personally. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 15:22:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281EC3A6950; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBAF3A65A6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:22:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pPbWwnba+srx for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og107.obsmtp.com (exprod7og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.167]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F273A6950 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob107.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:25 PDT Received: from pi-smtp.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.36]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:25 -0700 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by pi-smtp.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:23 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: Acjw/LigVhsNsWfbq0mrOwEyyxEDEwAAy3xQ References: <488DFDB6.6070001@ericsson.com> From: "Thomas Walsh" To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 22:21:23.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[44A6DF60:01C8F100] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:56 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Everybody complaining about the guest room network, I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the guest room network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra what we get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to provide it for us for free. We have network requirements for hosts at http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for everybody to check. I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the guest room network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free access to the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production network to work. That is what the host is responsible for. If you have problems with that, you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They are made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for the hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something they wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean upgrading the whole network - not an option. So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have given us extra! I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room network for free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! Cheers, Jonne. PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better network, please, show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the hosting opportunities from http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They are clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 16:06:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB253A6B46; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADBC3A6B46 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f9Jbdee9o9m7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from napoleon.monoski.com (black.monoski.com [63.227.123.238]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83603A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasputin.monoski.com ([130.129.39.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by napoleon.monoski.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SN6fXL021317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:06:35 -0600 From: Luca Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 63.227.123.227 Subject: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Can we get SIP ( port 5060 udp/tcp ) unblocked in our hotel rooms ? Assuming that the network might at some point work ;-) it would be nice not to have to come to the lobby to make phone calls ... Thanks. Luca _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 16:07:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83663A68E4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8BB3A68E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id av75U7bnnRM9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62BE3A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.7.229] (unknown [130.129.65.185]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3246378C2D; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:07:14 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <08E2EAD8-D4D6-41CF-B290-AF389F9C3A06@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:07:12 +0200 References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 29 jul 2008, at 00.11, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 28 jul 2008, at 22:56, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > >> In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. >> They are >> made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for >> the >> hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something >> they >> wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean >> upgrading the >> whole network - not an option. > >> So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have >> given us >> extra! > > > I find this a rather condescending attitude, especially as the > powers that be have deemed it necessary to select a venue that > pretty much precludes any choice on the part of the participants. "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location for their needs / and a number of factors including availability of a hotel. This equation is far from easy, but what worries me greatly is that we in the future find any hosts at all given that the only thing you can expect as a host is complaints and endless threads about visa / robbery / cookies / how the showers works threads on mailinglist. Best regards, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 16:08:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1553A6B46; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BD43A6B46 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.155, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oJMJeutmJj7t for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1094D3A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.7.229] (unknown [130.129.65.253]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803CF78C2B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:08:19 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <94C70D9F-8349-4A3E-B065-5D6732505F07@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:08:18 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 28 jul 2008, at 23.56, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > Everybody complaining about the guest room network, > > > > I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the guest room > network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra > what we > get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to provide it for > us for > free. We have network requirements for hosts at > http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for everybody to check. > > I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the > guest room > network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free > access to > the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting > "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a > priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production network to > work. > That is what the host is responsible for. If you have problems with > that, > you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. > > In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They > are > made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for > the > hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something > they > wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean > upgrading the > whole network - not an option. > > So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have > given us > extra! > > I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room network > for > free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! > > Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! > > > > Cheers, > > Jonne. > > PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better network, > please, > show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the > hosting > opportunities from http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They > are > clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. I would like to after the first day extend a great thank you to the host and the volunteers for a great network! Best regards, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 16:10:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0A23A68E4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89363A68E4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bn7HU2Y6obS2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DBA3A688E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,268,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="132785609" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2008 23:10:13 +0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6SNADff019337 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:13 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6SNAD4s029384 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:10:13 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:13 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.49] ([10.21.84.226]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:10:13 -0700 Message-Id: <45763D25-25C0-4D05-BF74-20FD9FB0EE9D@cisco.com> From: Richard Pruss To: Luca Martini In-Reply-To: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:10:11 +0100 References: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 23:10:13.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[17077950:01C8F107] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=478; t=1217286613; x=1218150613; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ric@cisco.com; z=From:=20Richard=20Pruss=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20SIP=20blocked=20in=20ho tel=20rooms=20.... |Sender:=20; bh=6cCf2I+dbyZIDLkFfhj61I94JSO48YNWCk/ULVt0CTI=; b=cHpYsQuEbkQzTk20j70JbFOVFW63SCxfdxPMdLTi7UoWFcvvjXFpR5HSO9 RfOp/qPjQfonxkq9DTZOxXS2ObE471DVEl1G9SY1zrFhmlcrNjjM2d5pSkRU UOE/RydUa6; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=ric@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org IPSEC/UDP is blocked as well. On 29/07/2008, at 12:06 AM, Luca Martini wrote: > Can we get SIP ( port 5060 udp/tcp ) unblocked in our hotel rooms ? > > Assuming that the network might at some point work ;-) it would be > nice not to have to come to the lobby to make phone calls ... > > Thanks. > Luca > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 17:01:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C21D3A69DF; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951643A69DF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7CBaeqp7AHU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CC83A6909 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m6T01Ush020429; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.12.229] ([130.129.65.193]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as raeburn@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m6T01Nwm024824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Ken Raeburn To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <45763D25-25C0-4D05-BF74-20FD9FB0EE9D@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:01:22 +0100 References: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> <45763D25-25C0-4D05-BF74-20FD9FB0EE9D@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: Re: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 29, 2008, at 00:10, Richard Pruss wrote: > IPSEC/UDP is blocked as well. Hm, that appears to be a change. It was working earlier for me -- in fact, I had a "back to my mac" ipsec tunnel up when I read your message. But I tried the VPN to work, and that failed, and (after having to turn off BTMM to make the VPN software happy) I can't get BTMM up again. It didn't work for me when I first arrived Sunday, then it was working, now it's not again.... Ken _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 17:03:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0B03A6B49; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0043A6B49 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.77 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.77 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWE+oe-JDMlT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146143A69DF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so3957437wah.25 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr5610222waa.204.1217289805849; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.74.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54e226890807281703v2ab3caf4yaf769727200ba2a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:03:25 +0100 From: "Bill Fenner" To: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" In-Reply-To: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > I find this a rather condescending attitude ... Iljitsch, That's a lot to say, given how condescending you were less than 24 hours ago regarding how stupid we must be to rate limit the traffic. Bill _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 17:14:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E36D28C291; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4872328C286 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DTcaISoyx-i2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADA528C291 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12275093; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:05 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Alexander Mayrhofer In-Reply-To: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:03 -0400 References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but jabber, ssh, http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. Marshall On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: >> Yup, it's fine for me. >> > > I got in my room still between 30 and 80% packet loss around 1pm, so > it > might vary with the actual location of your room.. > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 17:22:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2091228C2C4; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A8828C2C3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6fVY2vZis2oi for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5367128C2C6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12275161; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:03 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 from here too. Marshall On Jul 28, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > Everybody complaining about the guest room network, > > > > I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the guest room > network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra > what we > get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to provide it for > us for > free. We have network requirements for hosts at > http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for everybody to check. > > I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the > guest room > network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free > access to > the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting > "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a > priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production network to > work. > That is what the host is responsible for. If you have problems with > that, > you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. > > In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They > are > made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for > the > hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something > they > wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean > upgrading the > whole network - not an option. > > So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have > given us > extra! > > I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room network > for > free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! > > Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! > > > > Cheers, > > Jonne. > > PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better network, > please, > show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the > hosting > opportunities from http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They > are > clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. > > > -- > Jonne Soininen > Nokia Siemens Networks > > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 21:24:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8C63A68DA; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436AC3A67E6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kh+L4gVwoHle for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ADA3A6405 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpaz13.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz13.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.77]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m6T4P00I025556 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:25:00 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1217305500; bh=iG/i2N1PfSdjfAYzZH5SDPG2Gss=; h=DomainKey-Signature:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject: Date:To:X-Mailer; b=xxNey39ETJwxopL8hely+mPZYOgQVtc9R1oprTmihkDTyU uSrHJy3mmKgDMhIGED6+d8LN/B+NwzzuUaWFg5ng== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=A3FGgde4LIBarlOYcmmOIDBiSrpoRjI02vTjwXcA8ZZULQKe5jM9IsSJniM2SoScc tPdJVfbk9mWcSz+oaFg0w== Received: from smtp.corp.google.com (spacemonkey2.corp.google.com [192.168.120.114]) by wpaz13.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6T4OwDI013848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:59 -0700 Received: from [172.16.16.51] ([130.129.65.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.corp.google.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6T4Ot5s004733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Message-Id: From: Vint Cerf Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:24:02 -0400 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Folks, it would be helpful just to have a summary of what is presently intended in the way of services on the hotel room network. If ports (specific services) are blocked, could we have some indication what they are so we don't waste time trying to debug problems. I have not been able to run iCHAT successfully, nor build VPN connections - first noticing this about 10 pm on Monday night local time. File transfers were operating at about 13 KB/s but came to a grinding halt after about 50% of a 1.5 MB file was transferred. Eventually the transfer completed. I am in the 16XX room block. This is NOT a complaint but rather just a request to know what services are intended to be support on the room network. thanks, vint _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 22:48:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561ED3A69DC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7207028C0D8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C2MqFz3tNTWC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.202]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B9A28C0ED for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BAY126-W55 ([65.55.131.90]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:47:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [130.129.65.64] From: ren ren To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:47:16 +0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 05:47:16.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF3FC40:01C8F13E] Subject: [72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1341170244==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1341170244== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5344350a-c433-42af-84d1-1ae38ecb4218_" --_5344350a-c433-42af-84d1-1ae38ecb4218_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have bought one ticket=2C and because of another meeting=2C I want to tra= nsfer it. 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Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger=A0 = Get it now! = --_5344350a-c433-42af-84d1-1ae38ecb4218_-- --===============1341170244== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1341170244==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 22:51:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148303A69AB; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BE33A68C6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EpBgHxmf9n2M for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5253A68C8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6T5pxte004528; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:52:00 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.21]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:51:59 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <941D5DCD8C42014FAF70FB7424686DCF037DEBD2@eusrcmw721.eamcs.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxEUmZQDsT14VpR8iUXL5dXAt6zAALFPgQ References: From: "Eric Gray" To: "Marshall Eubanks" , "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 05:51:59.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[379FEAC0:01C8F13F] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hmmmm. The wired network in my room has what certainly looks like a permanently attached card that says "Broadband Internet Access With Compliments of The Management" - which indicates (to me) that the host's involvement in the "free" in-room network was probably limited to selection of this very nice hotel. But I agree that the tone of the discussion on this list has been rather more severe toward both the sponsor(s), and the hotel, than either deserves. While I have had some trouble with the conference network, I think it is improving. The service and accomodations of this venue are totally excellent, even if the hotel is pretty far from the center of things, and I think we could be considerably more patient if the hotel staff seems somewhat overwhelmed by our strange behaviours as a group... -- Eric Gray > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Eubanks > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:23 PM > To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities > (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) > > +1 from here too. > > Marshall > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > > > Everybody complaining about the guest room network, > > > > > > > > I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the > guest room > > network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra > > what we > > get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to > provide it for > > us for > > free. We have network requirements for hosts at > > http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for > everybody to check. > > > > I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the > > guest room > > network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free > > access to > > the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting > > "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a > > priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production > network to > > work. > > That is what the host is responsible for. If you have > problems with > > that, > > you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. > > > > In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of > crowd. They > > are > > made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. > Not for > > the > > hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to > something > > they > > wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean > > upgrading the > > whole network - not an option. > > > > So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have > > given us > > extra! > > > > I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room > network > > for > > free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! > > > > Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jonne. > > > > PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better > network, > > please, > > show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the > > hosting > > opportunities from > http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They > > are > > clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > Jonne Soininen > > Nokia Siemens Networks > > > > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > > E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 23:23:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04083A6A87; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064713A69EB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.308, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A+mF0KwtBcbf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5114D3A69C3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.27] ([130.129.65.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T6MNel033215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <488DFDB6.6070001@ericsson.com> References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B84@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <488DFDB6.6070001@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:21:21 +0100 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC Control X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 7:11 PM +0200 7/28/08, Balazs Lengyel wrote: >I think the guest-room network should be controlled by the NOC. Or >if control is a too strong term, then they should try to assure >somehow that it works properly. As the number of mails on this and >on previous IETF shows us, there is a real need to use it. Fully disagree. If I can work from my room, great; if not, the lobby and bar and terminal room are in walking distance. On top of us being rude (loudly talking over the host's welcoming talk at the Sunday reception) and demanding (not being willing to wait in a slowish line to buy sandwiches like regular people do), do we also have to be lazy? There was a time when IETFers were thankful when we were offered semi-reliable meeting amenities above what typical conference people got. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 23:34:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EF03A6A0B; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8BC28C0D8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.404, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WtozK8NDySIf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0013A68C6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 ([130.129.23.81]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KNimr1FlG-0004p4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <11f801c8f145$41407580$850e10ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B84@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com><488DFDB6.6070001@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:35:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/19oZZx8qwATqW/sDiuAY5TVwL+mvt6ptIaJm tivNTxKtWUROE3m+Ebqz5l4uOOEcIa2ZtwwSKu4SxzpmJDVq8Q ia3GsSf93VJe2/AL7/9yg87Vbn7yoptnxrZAsKM70k= Subject: [72attendees] Found - YubiKey X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org One of the waiters handed me a YubiKey on my way into Breakfast (he said "I reckon this belongs to one of you guys"). Don't know where it was found, but I'll leave it at the registration desk... Spencer _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 00:34:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0889328C104; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:34:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FB928C104 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.252, BAYES_50=0.001, CN_BODY_103=0.327, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fifpQGP89Pas for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B762628C0FB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BAY126-W58 ([65.55.131.93]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:34:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [130.129.65.66] From: ren ren To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:34:06 +0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <417316442.32210@cnnic.cn> References: <417316442.32210@cnnic.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 07:34:06.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B48BF00:01C8F14D] Subject: Re: [72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1591822197==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1591822197== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_374d1a8e-1012-40eb-90e9-7744491f8f10_" --_374d1a8e-1012-40eb-90e9-7744491f8f10_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Already transfered the ticket in the early morning. :)> From: nkong@cnnic.cn> To: rg_tsinghua@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:27:22 +0800> Subject: Re:[72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer> > > hi,> > I want to buy it, how can I get it?> > > Ning KONG> > CNNIC> > ÔÚÄúµÄÀ´ÐÅÖÐÔø¾­Ìáµ½:> >From: ren ren > >Reply-To: > >To: <72attendees@ietf.org>> >Subject: [72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer> >Date:Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:47:16 +0800> >> >> >I have bought one ticket, and because of another meeting, I want to transfer it.> >If someone wants to get it, email me directly.> > > >Ren Gang> >_________________________________________________________________> >Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger \n>http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline_______________________________________________> >72attendees mailing list> >72attendees@ietf.org> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees> > > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us --_374d1a8e-1012-40eb-90e9-7744491f8f10_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Already transfered the ticket in the early morning.
 
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> From: nkong@cnnic.cn
> To: rg_tsinghua@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:27:22 +0800
> Subject: Re:[72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer
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> hi,
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> I want to buy it, how can I get it?
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> Ning KONG
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> ÔÚÄúµÄÀ´ÐÅÖÐÔø¾­Ìáµ½:
> >From: ren ren <rg_tsinghua@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: <72attendees@ietf.org>
> >Subject: [72attendees] A Social ticket to transfer
> >Date:Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:47:16 +0800
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> >
> >I have bought one ticket, and because of another meeting, I want to transfer it.
> >If someone wants to get it, email me directly.
> >
> >Ren Gang
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger \n>http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/l aunch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline_______________________________________________
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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1774248589==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 00:36:55 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A4328C13E; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A15128C104 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYlUA9ObznFw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Note: I'm in the 48xx block. IPsec was working fine up for me until some time last night. Tony Hansen Vint Cerf wrote: > > it would be helpful just to have a summary of what is presently intended > in the way of services on the hotel room network. > If ports (specific services) are blocked, could we have some indication > what they are so we don't waste time trying to debug problems. > > I have not been able to run iCHAT successfully, nor build VPN > connections - first noticing this about 10 pm on Monday night local time. > > File transfers were operating at about 13 KB/s but came to a grinding > halt after about 50% of a 1.5 MB file was transferred. Eventually the > transfer completed. > > I am in the 16XX room block. > > This is NOT a complaint but rather just a request to know what services > are intended to be support on the room network. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 00:44:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65FD3A684B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912373A684B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.732 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.732 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.514, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 258v8xuLDdU5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com (usaga01-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564BE3A69C2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4R006GZC6JGO@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com ([172.17.1.36]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4R004IMC6IW8@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.24.1.3] (Forwarded-For: [130.129.20.16]) by szxmc04-in.huawei.com (mshttpd); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:44:29 +0800 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:44:29 +0800 From: shenshuo 00102542 In-reply-to: <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> To: Roque Gagliano Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ICRjAumuaUHgKxSIQez31A)" Content-language: zh-CN X-Accept-Language: zh-CN Priority: normal References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] =?gb2312?b?u9i4tCA6UmU6ICBTb2NjZXIgR2FtZSBhdCBJRVRG?= =?gb2312?b?IDcy?= X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ICRjAumuaUHgKxSIQez31A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline great! see your guys! --Boundary_(ID_ICRjAumuaUHgKxSIQez31A) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-80-593249025 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-80-593249025 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-79-593249021 --Apple-Mail-79-593249021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The game on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the =20 options look like may need more participants. We will meet at the field at 7:30pm on thursday. regards, Roque On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > Hi, > > We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks =20= > Marcia). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe =20 > that game will move forward. > > I also added the morning possibility in doodle as someone asked me =20 > if that was a possibility. > > Roque > > > > On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > >> ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I =20 >> will check with the hotel staff about the admin issues. >> r. >> >> http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, = > > wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>>> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano >>>> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 >>>> =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> People, >>>> >>>> As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at >>>> the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late >>>> soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun >>>> light is still with us until late. >>>> >>>> Roque >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkiMc/QACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6tXQCeO3A2BT9pQelhHphxIixuZzoT >>>> 400An0015u3Ek2VEcoC/R9Btc+oBxloN >>>> =3DGs5d >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Apple-Mail-79-593249021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

The game = on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the options look = like may need more participants.

We will meet = at the field at 7:30pm on = thursday.

regards,
Roque

=
On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote:

Hi,

We have = the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks Marcia). We = have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that game will = move forward.

I also added the morning = possibility in doodle as someone asked me if that was a = possibility.

Roque


<= /div>

On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano = wrote:

ok I generated a poll so = people can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff =  about the admin issues.
r.




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People,

As you may have = notice there is a wonderful soccer field at
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Roque
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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1088617043==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 01:41:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122E928C1BB; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0BF28C1BB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mGViDX+l3u+J for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:1af8:2:5::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE1C28C1B8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21b:63ff:fe02:3c13] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21b:63ff:fe02:3c13]) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6T8fbFF073185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:41:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Kurt Erik Lindqvist In-Reply-To: <08E2EAD8-D4D6-41CF-B290-AF389F9C3A06@kurtis.pp.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:53 +0100 References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <08E2EAD8-D4D6-41CF-B290-AF389F9C3A06@kurtis.pp.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: > "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / > internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of one party, the other is unhappy. However, the network is working just fine now (for me at least), and the strange funding structure of the IETF is not the fault of either the volunteers or the host, who are actually working very hard to make everything work within the constraints that have been set, so this might be a good point to end this discussion. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 01:48:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA193A6B30; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85103A6B32 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:48:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.590, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mW3iWwxTGERF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C9B3A6B2E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.2.125] (unknown [130.129.65.89]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C96308458 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <4B736184-CF43-47DE-95BF-464817A278B2@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:48:13 +0100 References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [72attendees] =?utf-8?b?5Zue5aSNOlJlOiAgU29jY2VyIEdhbWUgYXQgSUVU?= =?utf-8?q?F_72?= X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1883879557==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1883879557== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-7-643409191" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-7-643409191 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-643409125 --Apple-Mail-6-643409125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, I closed thursday night poll as we have more than enough people. =20 The other are still on if people are willing to play. Roque On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:44 AM, shenshuo 00102542 wrote: > great! see your guys! > Hi, > > The game on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the =20= > options look like may need more participants. > > We will meet at the field at 7:30pm on thursday. > > regards, > Roque > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games =20 >> (thanks Marcia). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I =20 >> believe that game will move forward. >> >> I also added the morning possibility in doodle as someone asked me =20= >> if that was a possibility. >> >> Roque >> >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: >> >>> ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I =20 >>> will check with the hotel staff about the admin issues. >>> r. >>> >>> http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr >>> >>> >>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, = >> > wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>> De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano >>>>> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 >>>>> =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org >>>>> Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 >>>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> People, >>>>> >>>>> As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at >>>>> the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late >>>>> soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun >>>>> light is still with us until late. >>>>> >>>>> Roque >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) >>>>> >>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkiMc/QACgkQnk+WSgHpbO6tXQCeO3A2BT9pQelhHphxIixuZzoT >>>>> 400An0015u3Ek2VEcoC/R9Btc+oBxloN >>>>> =3DGs5d >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Apple-Mail-6-643409125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, I closed thursday night = poll as we have more than enough people. The other are still on if = people are willing to = play.

Roque

On Jul 29, 2008, = at 8:44 AM, shenshuo 00102542 wrote:

great! see = your guys!
Hi,

We have = the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks Marcia). We = have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that game will = move forward.

I also added the morning = possibility in doodle as someone asked me if that was a = possibility.

Roque


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On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano = wrote:

ok I generated a poll so = people can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff =  about the admin issues.
r.




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(My 60% packet loss has cleared up >nicely, thanks for that.) But that doesn't mean we don't get to point >out shortcomings for fear of someone taking it personally. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 01:59:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823128C1A3; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:59:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972853A6B36 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hrk5gMYKl4wf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nylon.softarmor.com (nylon.softarmor.com [66.135.38.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C97C3A6847 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.21.41] ([130.129.21.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6T8uNZs018617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:56:25 -0500 Message-Id: <174DDBC8-36C1-4628-A4B7-16F47160B1B0@greycouncil.com> From: Dean Willis To: Luca Martini In-Reply-To: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:56:17 +0100 References: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Luca Martini wrote: > Can we get SIP ( port 5060 udp/tcp ) unblocked in our hotel rooms ? > > Assuming that the network might at some point work ;-) it would be > nice not to have to come to the lobby to make phone calls ... Speaking as the SIP chair, I use Skype in such situations. They were not burdened by the IETF assumption that NATs don't exist. -- Dean _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 02:18:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6F028C218; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFBB28C218 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Es2xtyxHd1dx for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75528C1FD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD03E78C2B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:32 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <8177A3E0-82ED-44FC-9DDE-187984886948@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <08E2EAD8-D4D6-41CF-B290-AF389F9C3A06@kurtis.pp.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: > >> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location > > The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. > > Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can > find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets > of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of > one party, the other is unhappy. If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to your brand and the marketing value is negative. Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a meeting. Best regards, - kurtis - PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 02:28:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407A93A69B8; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861DD3A69B8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6uPOWQvxtQX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (sca-ea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A4E3A68E4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.17.55]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6T9Sx7g012586 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:28:59 GMT Received: from [10.7.251.248] (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.7.251.248]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6T9SoQ5407533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488EE2B8.5000801@sun.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:28:24 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080519) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] UDP port 4500 blocked in hotel rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Sunday and Monday morning IPsec/NAT traversal (RFC 3947) worked fine in my hotel room. Last night and this morning it no longer works. It looks like UDP port 4500 is blocked. Can this be restored? Erik _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 02:43:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B0A28C237; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC7E28C237 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NrrFB1UyWu-W for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D35C28C229 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T9hBlQ016200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:43:13 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <488EE632.2030102@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:14 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Nordmark References: <488EE2B8.5000801@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <488EE2B8.5000801@sun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7875/Tue Jul 29 07:52:56 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] UDP port 4500 blocked in hotel rooms X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There were some unfortunate side effects from the hotels firewall engineer attempting to solve the pptp problem. We have a solution for them but it will take a little while get it in place. thanks joelja Erik Nordmark wrote: > > On Sunday and Monday morning IPsec/NAT traversal (RFC 3947) worked fine > in my hotel room. Last night and this morning it no longer works. > > It looks like UDP port 4500 is blocked. > Can this be restored? > > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:01:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACF128C117; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534413A69F9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.366 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.366 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id glmUOR-5bDUb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F93A6991 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217329232; x=1217934032; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=WCs0MeMTgTIdVu JZA3Zb6A9uxF3nzaXdfQtGN6ztD08DgmWxf4b+wNLyJgyalBf5RTgA2JV0cV/8ET IiTieqAaqU6rSEyT4hZRyx1prz09VYPze4pz9ht96clXWJE6RENvhjlC6Ni995j0 LlUJ0Q1RkMEIPYP48ohUVqXaRT5YY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=XYuEwPULrQ7HVOveu47amwsOdoo+IN2JyNaNOn9f7auzGoVB6mEf+iLgNSXqcB/RPdQMu/7SdUwGO136GK4sWKsTDKClrUgFF2GId4f49NFdVMIpYhAy63QvJDTHy6fMln02OwaCu1xmC/tH4znolxYZBtPtRw7odmK6+Uw6KBI=; Received: from [172.17.3.166] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002986747.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:00:30 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:01:19 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxYgv4dhq8jbJvdkOl/RCHwLMYfQ== In-Reply-To: <8177A3E0-82ED-44FC-9DDE-187984886948@kurtis.pp.se> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080729:72attendees@ietf.org::Cc5Pv9fJsOBFRNmJ:000000000000000000000000000000000000000001pVO X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.65.93 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:00:32 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:00:32 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and so on, such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify the venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this one or even San Diego. Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world that offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaurant choices in the venue and around, etc. So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is the organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this again unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will consider it again. Regards, Jordi > From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist > Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 > To: Iljitsch van Beijnum > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom > Network not under NOC Control) > > > On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > >> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >> >>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location >> >> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. >> >> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can >> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets >> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of >> one party, the other is unhappy. > > If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further > said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has > been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance > fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays > for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on > the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we > can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up > significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on > sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all > the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to > your brand and the marketing value is negative. > > Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC > volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a > meeting. > > Best regards, > > - kurtis - > > > PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - > issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:07:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7762928C241; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:07:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DFF28C22D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id be5xtC-lDXaB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.sidn.nl (gw.sidn.nl [193.176.144.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D0E28C1C3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost.sidn.nl (TUNIX/Firewall Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA6B33B51E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gw.sidn.nl (TUNIX/Firewall Mail Server) with ESMTP for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.11.151] ([192.168.11.151]) by sidn.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Antoin Verschuren X-X-Sender: sidn@walhalla.antoin.nl To: Vint Cerf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 10:07:45.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[F264F210:01C8F162] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Vint Cerf wrote: > I have not been able to run iCHAT successfully, nor build VPN connections - > first noticing this about 10 pm on Monday night local time. > > File transfers were operating at about 13 KB/s but came to a grinding halt > after about 50% of a 1.5 MB file was transferred. Eventually the transfer > completed. > > I am in the 16XX room block. I'm in the 15xx room block, having this 4 port switch/DSL router on my desk serving both IPTV and Internet connection. Appart from a 10 second problem when I entered the room on Saturday (I had to unplug the IPTV for me to get an DHCP request through, and get an IP address. Pluging the IPTV back in continued to work for me) the network remained reasonable for a hotel network. I've been able to set up OpenVPN over UDP port 1194, have not tried TCP yet, and it allows me to stream UDP with a "reasonable" quality. 512 k during busy times, 2048 k during quiet times. (Just testing, not abusing the network :-) only some hickups). I have been able to set up SSL VPN, no issues. I have been using jabber, skype, TCP streaming to watch some news back home, no problems. There have been some hickups in the IPTV system on sunday though, causing the TV to freeze and switch off every 15 minutes. So even though I'm quite a high demanding customer, I'm reasonable happy. I think a working in-room network should be not an extra, but a requirement, but I realise it's not that easy for our crowd. Be happy it's an IETF meeting and not an ICANN, where in-room Internet access is not even considdered. And as Kurtis said, if you think you can do better, please prove so. Finding a venue for 1200+ people in Europe is hard enough allready. Just my 2p to get things clear on what's working and what's not. Antoin _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:19:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2186D28C20A; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D628428C20D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h10wbQLwgtst for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (gc-na5.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E9A28C20A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.76]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id m6TAIjrN029914; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:54 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([155.132.188.70]) by FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:45 +0200 Message-ID: <488EEE84.700@alcatel-lucent.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:44 +0200 From: Thomas Froment User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 10:18:45.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B786310:01C8F164] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 155.132.188.84 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Well, I don't know, but I believe this mailing list is not here for = "settling the score" with ietf location selection process... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =E9crit : > And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and so = on, > such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify t= he > venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this one > or even San Diego. > > Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world that > offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered > ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better > commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaurant > choices in the venue and around, etc. > > So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is the > organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as > irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). > > Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this again > unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to > raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will > consider it again. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > = >> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist >> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 >> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Gue= stroom >> Network not under NOC Control) >> >> >> On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> >> = >>> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >>> >>> = >>>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >>>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location >>>> = >>> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. >>> >>> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can >>> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets >>> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of >>> one party, the other is unhappy. >>> = >> If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further >> said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has >> been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance >> fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays >> for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on >> the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we >> can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up >> significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on >> sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all >> the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to >> your brand and the marketing value is negative. >> >> Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC >> volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a >> meeting. >> >> Best regards, >> >> - kurtis - >> >> >> PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - >> issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or c= onfidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individua= l(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any d= isclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information= , including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:21:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E91A28C26B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053828C281 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XmgvKvD5GM-u for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFA528C24C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EC06C018 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It's certainly acceptable to examine the good and bad points of any venue. But there is a question of attitude -- we have paid for certain things, and have a right to expect those, but there are things we have *not* paid for and we can't *complain* that we haven't gotten them. (Actually, given the huge level of volunteers and sponsor support, we have the right to a considerable amount of stuff that we have *not* paid for -- and we should be thankful.) But all of this trades off against cost. Not so long ago on the list, people were complaining of the excessive cost of the meeting. Yes, it's straightforward to reduce cost -- what services are you willing to forgo? It's also straightforward to improve services -- what are you willing to pay? It also doesn't help that this is a one-week event unlike any event the venue has ever had, or ever will have again. There's not a lot of time for everyone to learn how to optimize all these trade-offs for this particular audience, and certainly no incentive for the venue to make capital expenditures to improve service for us. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:24:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648DC28C26B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32E828C26B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dCIZ3JUU7ncF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1148928C25E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9471A6C018 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> References: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:24:30 -0400 Message-Id: <1217327070.3851.16.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:06 -0600, Luca Martini wrote: > Can we get SIP ( port 5060 udp/tcp ) unblocked in our hotel rooms ? SIP is working for me. (I'm in 31xx.) Although I'm registering to a PBX through their Ingate Siparator, which does far-end NAT compensation. Perhaps this is a consequence of what someone observed, that the outside IP addresses of TCP connections aren't always the same, and your NAT compensation is defeated? Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:27:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C0928C106; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AB33A69FB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.491, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1vXbkeWBnkk6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8343A6991 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 ([130.129.55.2]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1KNmQU0QVy-0005da; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:27:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00ea01c8f165$d3e99270$fff410ac@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19YWwex5o8Q0hBz29rAV34wh4VpBRi3C30SsbN /Xa3ql7f+MXtsW3z4i5lbDv6cKsoQ3uFPi7ieytblr/MDcX7c2 lnvhnEBfn1s50HucJAGBpjjJXFZbTYFYQ906trtTRo= Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (wasRe: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > (Actually, given the huge level of volunteers and sponsor support, we > have the right to a considerable amount of stuff that we have *not* paid > for -- and we should be thankful.) Having just walked through the NOC this morning, I'm glad *I* wasn't paying salaries for the quality and quantity of the volunteers that are missing IETF working group meetings to figure out networking problems... :-) I won't post again on this, but I also have to say that the people who have been saying "thank you" to secretariat and support people who have been jumping on every problem when it's reported have been awesome. Thanks, Spencer _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:30:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508D43A6AB2; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D11A3A6AB2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.665 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.665 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.934, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zb+7ajtb6tXU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975FB3A6B32 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6TAV0Rv020382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:31:00 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6TAV0ct008895; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:31:00 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.12]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:31:00 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.23]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:30:59 +0200 Received: from 10.162.27.74 ([10.162.27.74]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:30:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:30:53 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxYgv4dhq8jbJvdkOl/RCHwLMYfQABCFi4 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 10:30:59.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[31419940:01C8F166] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jordi, Your recollection of the past is a little bit different that mine. I remember the last time you tried there were open ends in many things until very late of the process. This and other reasons made the main host to decide on a different venue (San Diego). Siemens was the host for that possible meeting. The people who were mostly involved from Siemens are now part of Nokia Siemens Network, who I happen to work for as well. The main thing is that host was very much involved on the change of the meeting location! If you want to talk about specifics of that time, I'm happy to talk to you off-line. It seems that the next scheduled European meeting without a host is at Summer 2010. If you have a host, or funding to host, please, contact Drew Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org or the IAD. If you even have a location in mind, better it is! Cheers, Jonne. On 7/29/08 1:01 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" wrote: > And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and so on, > such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify the > venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this one > or even San Diego. > > Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world that > offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered > ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better > commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaurant > choices in the venue and around, etc. > > So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is the > organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as > irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). > > Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this again > unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to > raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will > consider it again. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > >> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist >> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 >> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: >> Guestroom >> Network not under NOC Control) >> >> >> On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> >>> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >>> >>>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >>>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location >>> >>> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. >>> >>> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can >>> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets >>> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of >>> one party, the other is unhappy. >> >> If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further >> said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has >> been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance >> fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays >> for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on >> the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we >> can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up >> significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on >> sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all >> the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to >> your brand and the marketing value is negative. >> >> Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC >> volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a >> meeting. >> >> Best regards, >> >> - kurtis - >> >> >> PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - >> issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:34:05 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532F528C106; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97D928C106 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wgZPoviWj0M4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8F63A6B32 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEC978C2B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:34:11 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <0ED6A14C-AEBB-42E6-BC27-9FBEFBB9CD10@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:09 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jordi, On 29 jul 2008, at 12.01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue > and so on, > such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you > disqualify the > venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with > this one > or even San Diego. > > Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the > world that > offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered > ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better > commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more > restaurant > choices in the venue and around, etc. > > So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down > is the > organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as > irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). > > Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this > again > unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much > to > raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they > will > consider it again. At least as long as I was on the IAOC (during BTW when this proposal was evaluated) we every now and then (but not always) have several venues to select from and then does a site evaluation and weighs the pros and cons. That is then discussed with the localhosts and eventually a venue is selected. The IAOC never provides public comments or names the venues not selected or the reasons for it. When there are multiple choices there will always be venues not selected, of the venues that have not been selected the only one that keep coming back up here is that you bring up your failed bid for Madrid. But what I really wanted to comment on is that the above sounds like MAdrid was considered as an alternative to Dublin. AFAIK it never was. Best regards, - kurtis - _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 03:42:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3723A6B64; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384AC3A6B64 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+A8CrlkUivO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119303A6B5A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6TAg9EP024755 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:42:35 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:42:09 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:41:47 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:41:38 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674063E3@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] The Dublin Switch Thread-Index: AcjxZ64PBTk7PfQFQQu+styiKTw42g== From: To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 10:41:47.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3B97360:01C8F167] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [72attendees] The Dublin Switch X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1946638690==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1946638690== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F167.AEF48492" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F167.AEF48492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, beware - the hotel came up with another trick to milk the visitors = further. During the first day in the Bistro restaurant there were jars with ice = water. Today, you will find bottled water in their place. Should you open one and attempt to get a glass of the water, an old lady = will rush to you and make it very clear that "Sir, you will have to pay = for that!!!". So, unless you want to pay for it, do not touch those bottles - you can = ask for ice water at the table. Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F167.AEF48492 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [72attendees] The Dublin Switch

Hi all,
beware - the hotel came up = with another trick to milk the visitors further.
During the first day in the = Bistro restaurant there were jars with ice water.
Today, you will find bottled = water in their place.
Should you open one and = attempt to get a glass of the water, an old lady will rush to you and = make it very clear that "Sir, you will have to pay for = that!!!".

So, unless you want to pay = for it, do not touch those bottles - you can ask for ice water at the = table.

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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Is there anyone from DTAG (AS3320) here who would be willing to spend a few minutes with me to figure out a network event that we've observed in relation to K-root? Offlist replies please. 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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:47:51 -0700 To: "Ed Juskevicius" , From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 7:50 AM -0400 7/28/08, Ed Juskevicius wrote: > There were many different sandwich > choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap) True, there are a variety of sandwiches. 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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:51:23 -0700 To: "Mary Barnes" , "Ed Juskevicius" , From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 7:27 AM -0500 7/28/08, Mary Barnes wrote: > The lady I finally (nicely) harassed into > getting me a plain salad My experience has been that everyone insists salads are available at someone else's station, just not theirs. I don't think anyone actually paid any attention to the question, however. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- How is the world ruled and how do wars start? 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I saw the sign, but I couldn't find the actual laundry.
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07/28/2008 01:00 PM

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Re: [72attendees] Self-service laundry





Jim,

There was a small business labeled Laundrette in the village just up the
road (right out of the main gate for about a 5 minute walk).

-andy


On 7/28/08 12:06 PM, "Jim Fenton" <fenton@cisco.com> wrote:

> Since my family and I have been traveling for a week or so prior to
> IETF, we were hoping we would find some laundry services here.
> Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, and
> they don't have a self-service facility.
>
> Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry nearby?
>
> -Jim
> _______________________________________________
> 72attendees mailing list
> 72attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
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--=_alternative 0042812385257495_=-- --===============1819442132== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1819442132==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:08:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550973A6AA1; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CDD3A6AA1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SfrQIMzEGF3G for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE653A68EB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ADC47ED9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WD+G7FwToLNH for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.231] (unknown [130.129.23.231]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86A47EBC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: klm@pop.amsl.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:08:26 -0700 To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> From: Karen Moreland Subject: Re: [72attendees] T-shirts available at 3pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org 3pm TODAY (Tuesday). At 5:03 AM -0700 7/29/08, Alexa Morris wrote: >72nd IETF t-shirts will be available for pick-up starting at 3pm at the >Alcatel-Lucent host table in the Convention Lobby. > >Alexa > > >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Karen Moreland / Principal / Association Management Solutions, LLC Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 USA kmoreland@amsl.com / Phone +1.510.492.4002 / Fax +1.510.492.4001 Website: http://www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:09:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE1228C12F; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10633A6974 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ftjiRQffC7S for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nylon.softarmor.com (nylon.softarmor.com [66.135.38.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439203A6937 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.21.41] ([130.129.21.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6TC9HT6020631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:09:24 -0500 Message-Id: <81D7AF07-30BE-43BD-8884-A458816BF5CC@greycouncil.com> From: Dean Willis To: Randall Gellens In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:09:09 +0100 References: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952BE@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 7:50 AM -0400 7/28/08, Ed Juskevicius wrote: > >> There were many different sandwich >> choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap) > > True, there are a variety of sandwiches. There are, however, > absolutely no salads at all. I observed one fellow ask for a salad in the Grosvenor buffet line, and they whipped him one up quickly. -- Dean _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:15:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C519B3A69ED; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F2A3A6850; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:15:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITO02k0R+DIm; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail87.messagelabs.com (mail87.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.19]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31D73A69ED; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-87.messagelabs.com!1217333712!49137951!2 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 7346 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 12:15:13 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-11.tower-87.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 12:15:13 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6TCFAWk032642; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:15:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: <81D7AF07-30BE-43BD-8884-A458816BF5CC@greycouncil.com> To: Dean Willis MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:15:09 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/29/2008 08:18:05 AM, Serialize complete at 07/29/2008 08:18:05 AM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Hotel performance .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2046138484==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2046138484== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00434D5085257495_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00434D5085257495_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If you go the back way, it is less than 10 minutes to Avoca, and they have a wide assortment of salads, both sit down and take away. Janet 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/29/2008 08:09:09 AM: > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: > > > At 7:50 AM -0400 7/28/08, Ed Juskevicius wrote: > > > >> There were many different sandwich > >> choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap) > > > > True, there are a variety of sandwiches. There are, however, > > absolutely no salads at all. > > I observed one fellow ask for a salad in the Grosvenor buffet line, > and they whipped him one up quickly. > > -- > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --=_alternative 00434D5085257495_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
If you go the back way, it is less than 10 minutes to Avoca, and they have a wide assortment of salads, both sit down and take away.

Janet

72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/29/2008 08:09:09 AM:

>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
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> > At 7:50 AM -0400 7/28/08, Ed Juskevicius wrote:
> >
> >> There were many different sandwich
> >> choices (pre-made, sitting on plates, under plastic wrap)
> >
> > True, there are a variety of sandwiches.  There are, however,  
> > absolutely no salads at all.
>
> I observed one fellow ask for a salad in the Grosvenor buffet line,  
> and they whipped him one up quickly.
>
> --
> Dean
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 --=_alternative 00434D5085257495_=-- --===============2046138484== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============2046138484==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:18:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CD228C106; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C2B3A6AAA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Tr7ZZJS51+S for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8412D28C102 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.65]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m6TCIGdK032123; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:18:16 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1217333897; bh=OVpB5teZ3v8dw3PBFFTLhydMgHY=; h=DomainKey-Signature:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=kKJ5X6 +ZHZuuEonDSlYNmV7tm4GuMNRmwwLJlbf7DAS4K2Y5w+KIUzXfUQ8jiIOmymM/yssc+ RaQAOeBRgVEBQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc: from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Yaw0N+VrjqAUuoUOgvYaeuhS3S5c9yK5uM5rmXGxnDUY58qO01XS86FwdT7MRt2yo klwy6e4HY+ANBoLbHNyEQ== Received: from smtp.corp.google.com (spacemonkey2.corp.google.com [192.168.120.114]) by wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6TCIERR026120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:15 -0700 Received: from [172.16.16.51] ([130.129.65.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.corp.google.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TCI9Ph012719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: From: Vint Cerf Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:17:15 -0400 To: Antoin Verschuren X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0299338966==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0299338966== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-655950818 --Apple-Mail-7-655950818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed as of about 1:15 pm, I am able to open up iCHAT connections but L2TP is still not working for me on the hotel network. room 16XX vint > > --Apple-Mail-7-655950818 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII as of about 1:15 pm, I am able to open up iCHAT connections but L2TP is still not working for me on the hotel network.

room 16XX

vint



--Apple-Mail-7-655950818-- --===============0299338966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0299338966==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:24:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EA28C1A4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F1328C1A4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.537 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lpzh1eBAgSt7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2504B28C177 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12281649; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:24:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1BCC7D52-F720-4B78-8255-4059B1BEF96C@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Jeffrey Hutzelman In-Reply-To: <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:24:17 -0400 References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Something that I did not mention that is relevant is that I was using AIM from the room Sunday night. So, something changed over 24 hours. Regards Marshall On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks > wrote: > >> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but >> jabber, ssh, >> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. > > Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets > are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it > doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? > > Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating a > different outside IP address for each outgoing "connection" (which, > for UDP, often means each packet). There are certainly a lot of UDP- > based protocols that that will break, if it's true (I'm not entirely > convinced, because I run things that it _should_ break pretty badly > but that seem to work fine). > > FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's lately, > which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some way. That > would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I use often, and > I avoid NAT's when I can. > > Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections are > breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either for > tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a > protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. > Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about these > pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's never > encountered the problem before. > > > I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting particular > protocols to work, that they collect as much data as possible about > what is going on and then report the problem to the hotel. Maybe > one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what sorts of data are > most useful. > > -- Jeff _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:28:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F8328C1A4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E0A28C1A4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I60FHNcLw8SL for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276C33A6A49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zps35.corp.google.com (zps35.corp.google.com [172.25.146.35]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m6TCSB0k022588; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:28:11 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1217334492; bh=/6fSdPdipRoo2IqdKrWHhVW0IKY=; h=DomainKey-Signature:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject: Date:To:X-Mailer; b=wyQ2W8Zp7hzMoybtQWjo0Z6BLVeXbkTY8ETmfyPSxuI/nF 7IVusFPbe50/7hmLm6Cr9gzf2CD05uKJLAKrikdw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc: content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qe2+ajQ/zQXgxmckGt4AYpqCB10yhkjjGRkH8xpe9jHBEo2AeDKDVUze3PvmIMhAN axJxR4m2U10EY6xDeKohw== Received: from smtp.corp.google.com (spacemonkey3.corp.google.com [192.168.120.116]) by zps35.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6TCS9KF024715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:10 -0700 Received: from [172.16.16.51] ([130.129.65.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.corp.google.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TCS72R020584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:28:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1BCC7D52-F720-4B78-8255-4059B1BEF96C@multicasttech.com> References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <1BCC7D52-F720-4B78-8255-4059B1BEF96C@multicasttech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: From: Vint Cerf Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:27:13 -0400 To: Marshall Eubanks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org AIM seems to be working now in room block 16XX v On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Something that I did not mention that is relevant is that I was > using AIM from the room Sunday night. > > So, something changed over 24 hours. > > Regards > Marshall > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > >> --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks >> wrote: >> >>> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but >>> jabber, ssh, >>> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. >> >> Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets >> are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it >> doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? >> >> Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating >> a different outside IP address for each outgoing >> "connection" (which, for UDP, often means each packet). There are >> certainly a lot of UDP-based protocols that that will break, if >> it's true (I'm not entirely convinced, because I run things that >> it _should_ break pretty badly but that seem to work fine). >> >> FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's >> lately, which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some >> way. That would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I >> use often, and I avoid NAT's when I can. >> >> Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections >> are breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either >> for tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a >> protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. >> Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about >> these pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's >> never encountered the problem before. >> >> >> I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting >> particular protocols to work, that they collect as much data as >> possible about what is going on and then report the problem to the >> hotel. Maybe one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what >> sorts of data are most useful. >> >> -- Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:34:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01E83A694A; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2494128C246 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.068 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.068 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.181, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dmvQkxkbEOgt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.15]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EA028C17C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.155]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:32 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:32 +0200 Message-ID: <2AF8FF7D89242541B12E7A47F6ECB4BE076BE80C@ftrdmel3> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Moving to social event Thread-Index: AcjxZblvBnR3PTysRSylUoK8a1Ll+gAEWesw References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com><1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <00ea01c8f165$d3e99270$fff410ac@china.huawei.com> From: To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 12:34:32.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[738CF900:01C8F177] Subject: [72attendees] Moving to social event X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Is there some special buses to go to the tonight's social or do we have to get the regular IETF shuttle? In the former case, is it possible to have the timetable? Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:34:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFFD3A6B4C; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7253A6B41 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fO43-U3jy1MV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5543A6AB5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,272,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15846579" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 12:34:42 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6TCYg1G020003 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:34:42 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TCYYgJ023431 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:42 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:34:41 -0400 Received: from whatever.local ([10.82.241.159]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <488F0E5F.7080903@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:34:39 -0700 From: Jim Fenton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <488DEE98.2010804@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 12:34:41.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[79045B30:01C8F177] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=982; t=1217334882; x=1218198882; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fenton@cisco.com; z=From:=20Jim=20Fenton=20 |Subject:=20Answers=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Self-service= 20laundry |Sender:=20 |To:=2072attendees@ietf.org; bh=wojGLoZ2tpFm38QJnuKpE8TQY450WkG7L7oD8Hca6rU=; b=ISb3W9HNVXUuYpL4nCyBGDsql7iLnSLyeMr2INUQLZyoGwNSOwbHtSgkuA xCN+4LwLna6Y2GF8aMDsPolyk6yJOUIOeoX+Hv4utpdNTXKF2ckx/0bQWriP wZkDstepah; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=fenton@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Answers Re: Self-service laundry X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for the responses on laundries. Some info: I visited The Laundry Basket, Unit 8, Rathcoole Shopping Center in Rathcoole (phone: 4588777). They are open from 8:30 am to 6 pm, and they can do your laundry and return it the same day if it's there by noon. It's about a 20 minute walk from the hotel. 10 euros for a small bag, priced by weight for larger loads. Approximate location: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=53.281595&lon=-6.465617&zoom=18 Another suggestion was White Wash Laundry in Tallaght, http://whitewash-laundry.com/. Not walkable as I understand it. -Jim Jim Fenton wrote: > Since my family and I have been traveling for a week or so prior to > IETF, we were hoping we would find some laundry services here. > Unfortunately, the services here at the hotel are rather expensive, > and they don't have a self-service facility. > > Does anyone know of a self-service or other modestly priced laundry > nearby? > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:41:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C613A694A; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1DD3A68EB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.206 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzOdUqoiii+J for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from givry.fdupont.fr (givry.fdupont.fr [91.121.26.85]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9403A694A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from givry.fdupont.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by givry.fdupont.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TCfsqP010289; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:41:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dupont@givry.fdupont.fr) Message-Id: <200807291241.m6TCfsqP010289@givry.fdupont.fr> From: Francis Dupont To: gregory.cauchie@orange-ftgroup.com In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:32 +0200. <2AF8FF7D89242541B12E7A47F6ECB4BE076BE80C@ftrdmel3> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:41:54 +0200 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org In your previous mail you wrote: Is there some special buses to go to the tonight's social or do we have to get the regular IETF shuttle? => special buses In the former case, is it possible to have the timetable? => from 18h30 in the front of the hotel (not from the Car Park). intervals ~ 10 mn Last at 20h15 reserved for people at a 18h50-19h50 session. Return 22h30-23h30 at intervals of 5-15 mn (i.e., when full). Transit time ~ 45 mn According to the hand fixed paper found at the Lucent desk near registration. Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr PS: thanks the host to have provided the infos, not me. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:48:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47B528C16A; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB05428C176 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.910, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vbAyEO49RJur for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate-internal4.sri.com (mailgate-internal4.SRI.COM [128.18.84.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC5A13A6937 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smssmtp-internal2.sri.com (128.18.84.116) by mailgate-internal4.sri.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 12:48:35 -0000 X-AuditID: 80125474-ad932bb000000a5e-a7-488f11a2c625 Received: from srimail1.sri.com (srimail1.SRI.COM [128.18.30.11]) by smssmtp-internal2.sri.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id EF34A1B2501 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.182] by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4R00D9AQ8XXFVE@mail.sri.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:32 +0100 From: Ed Jankiewicz In-reply-to: <00ea01c8f165$d3e99270$fff410ac@china.huawei.com> To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <488F11A0.3010105@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <00ea01c8f165$d3e99270$fff410ac@china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities - kudos X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org What we see is the tip of the iceberg. In addition to running around fixing problems during this week where we can see them, the Alcatel-Lucent host staff, the paid staff, and community volunteers put in numerous hours in the dark corners and dark hours plus weeks of efforts to deploy the network and other facilities. Amazing, and can't say thanks enough. An illustration of how focused these folks are: when I asked the folks at the host table what they thought of the big shake-up at the top at Alcatel-Lucent, they said "what shake-up?" I guess they were too busy to notice the headlines. http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/29/news/international/alcatel_leaders.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008072904 just wanted to add my voice to the positive side of the feedback. I'm thrilled to walk in day one of each IETF knowing I can just open up my laptop and have instant-on service. Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> (Actually, given the huge level of volunteers and sponsor support, we >> have the right to a considerable amount of stuff that we have *not* paid >> for -- and we should be thankful.) > > Having just walked through the NOC this morning, I'm glad *I* wasn't > paying salaries for the quality and quantity of the volunteers that > are missing IETF working group meetings to figure out networking > problems... > > :-) > > I won't post again on this, but I also have to say that the people who > have been saying "thank you" to secretariat and support people who > have been jumping on every problem when it's reported have been awesome. > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 05:58:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144423A6A60; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BB328C289 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bj3hqUC2oQAl for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C899E3A6852 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a6so3266196tib.25 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sb2OjYUGgaYhkB551vqIJJerIJkWmpEsukQiGfFif0M=; b=AaUJ3x0TzB3uSzRm50qlVz240z4d2eXT99tQdGYub3zdDu1gSthg4pUbeANKjslWgy Dx3ltGztSbZPCjVMLcVy7CPuCLAhEpV7AU08Wj5l4/EQbCa7MXC8Olbm8VY9wMxINZjQ pSwK+uzHlBKh/S4TjFKltIh5lhznEIEjWz9o4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AElV9gM2RYU2CQhAk1tyZ/ZEBAVoc4XkB0nhnAx1jbYvGeR6a3Hp2HLp68TDBvsDZq i+F37FvQMNsHaC52fCYqGlianDlcovOZ4B74kbdEkB4s6j/3bICLK0PzpWwOU3MkUCVG 6pHhK+QXPGUIZaBCDSDNkZbw4x0f/kNtDrtmQ= Received: by 10.110.109.19 with SMTP id h19mr7527455tic.58.1217336232726; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.28.17 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:57:12 +0900 From: "Jin Hong Yang" To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [72attendees] 4 social tickets available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0875633699==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0875633699== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3878_4143522.1217336232722" ------=_Part_3878_4143522.1217336232722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have four social tickets available. 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------=_Part_3878_4143522.1217336232722-- --===============0875633699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0875633699==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:05:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CF03A6A86; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9867E3A69D9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.487 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.650, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxDAF-e8JA9P for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBCA28C29C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.92]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 5503620.9477581; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:04:59 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:00 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:04:43 -0400 Message-ID: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A66020413D9E4@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lunch, Lemongrass Thread-Index: Acjxe6h73pDRlU0NQAmOOF+lgxWswA== From: "Livingood, Jason" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 13:05:00.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5301DC0:01C8F17B] Subject: [72attendees] Lunch, Lemongrass X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Another +1 for the Lemongrass restaurant for lunch. Tried the bento box lunch for roughy the same price as the 'carving lunch' in the main hotel building, but was IMHO much better. There was no line to get a table, we ate and left in under 1 hour, and there were many unoccupied tables at the peak lunch hour. Recommended. Jason _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:09:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8065A28C2A5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCBC28C165 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.462 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.462 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.137, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ejnNFDVh8RJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7638B28C2A5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,272,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="129007851" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 09:09:07 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,272,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="245544991" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 09:09:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807291241.m6TCfsqP010289@givry.fdupont.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Moving to social event Thread-Index: AcjxeIGQeA14YzuKRvOQDcIBUDdAOgAAz1OQ References: Your message of Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:32 +0200.<2AF8FF7D89242541B12E7A47F6ECB4BE076BE80C@ftrdmel3> <200807291241.m6TCfsqP010289@givry.fdupont.fr> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Francis Dupont" , Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It may be good for the 'last' bus at 8:15 to be more than one and to be tolerant about living right on time. Everybody who meets until 7:50 needs to deposit the laptop in the room, and get back to the bus - and this may be half of the participants at the social or more. I am anticipating congestion. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Francis Dupont > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:42 PM > To: gregory.cauchie@orange-ftgroup.com > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event > > > In your previous mail you wrote: > > Is there some special buses to go to the tonight's social > or do we have > to get the regular IETF shuttle? > > => special buses > > In the former case, is it possible to have the timetable? > > => from 18h30 in the front of the hotel (not from the Car Park). > intervals ~ 10 mn > Last at 20h15 reserved for people at a 18h50-19h50 session. > > Return 22h30-23h30 at intervals of 5-15 mn (i.e., when full). > > Transit time ~ 45 mn > > According to the hand fixed paper found at the Lucent desk > near registration. > > Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr > > PS: thanks the host to have provided the infos, not me. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:09:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F348328C2AE; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791A228C2A9; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vRLS5S-f2mOL; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail87.messagelabs.com (mail87.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.19]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5459E28C266; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-87.messagelabs.com!1217336953!55354581!5 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 31330 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 13:09:17 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-5.tower-87.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 13:09:17 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6TD9DXY017100; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:09:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Karen Moreland MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:09:13 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/29/2008 09:12:09 AM, Serialize complete at 07/29/2008 09:12:09 AM Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org>, 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] T-shirts available at 3pm- NOW X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0487957225==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0487957225== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0048408F85257495_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0048408F85257495_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" They are here now. 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> 3pm TODAY (Tuesday).
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> >72nd IETF t-shirts will be available for pick-up starting at 3pm at the
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> Karen Moreland / Principal / Association Management Solutions, LLC
> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning
> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 USA
> kmoreland@amsl.com / Phone +1.510.492.4002 / Fax +1.510.492.4001
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 --=_alternative 0048408F85257495_=-- --===============0487957225== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0487957225==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:09:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9489E28C2AA; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5932128C28F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcS6dCE8fkqQ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0EF28C2B7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a6so3269942tib.25 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WWWhLgxvd5gAdDjYnDsC/fp4pAiBjpTjbAajlqEq1f0=; b=YUXpfaib5LP4ktQJeXAotB9O7YXV1fQJmgb7WYC/cygahm7D6KI+vvj1rpEdUdStYU 02s3ZkUscTHDq8EY64p8EhDCqrTVCilxaqS+IgsQqojjfbZs6ci3qD6zf7yW21OpH/N4 f6uySYh6aJCEx7CEEA0WesLYhMgK4U+/7nagk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=F69h1usmEI92ffkFRcnH3Biw8DJFTkA5l/6BCadylFukouXZj3BrWtxdPqGzId1V5M fjXgTBk6nuwGgGLvcb/D6iUBRd2OJMQx6Zy4LF7KNpL99uSeI7RE3davznhTBCLG+oNt VmRVoDRRWBs5WRO70gCeL3wRsHvotTiJvA4fw= Received: by 10.110.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr7557463tib.45.1217336967661; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.28.17 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:09:27 +0900 From: "Jin Hong Yang" To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: [72attendees] 4 social tickets available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0777628532==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0777628532== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4267_3977097.1217336967674" ------=_Part_4267_3977097.1217336967674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, but all sold out :-( 2008/7/29 Jin Hong Yang > I have four social tickets available. > > If interested contact me privately. > > sunupnet@gmail.com on Jabber > sunupnet@gmail.com by email > > thanks. > ------=_Part_4267_3977097.1217336967674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Sorry, but all sold out :-(


 
2008/7/29 Jin Hong Yang <sunupnet@gmail.com>
I have four social tickets available.

If interested contact me privately.
 
 
thanks.

------=_Part_4267_3977097.1217336967674-- --===============0777628532== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0777628532==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:15:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F171A3A6923; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771933A67B7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nInQ5+pT2RzF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extu-mxob-2.symantec.com (extu-mxob-2.symantec.com [216.10.194.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F043A6923 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com (tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com [192.168.214.43]) by extu-mxob-2.symantec.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6TDFhOg024829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:45 -0700 Received: from reserved-155-64-230-20.ges.symantec.com ([155.64.230.20] helo=TUS1XCHECNPIN03.enterprise.veritas.com) by tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KNp3H-00005x-Is for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:43 -0700 Received: from TUS1XCHEVSPIN05.enterprise.veritas.com ([155.64.231.27]) by TUS1XCHECNPIN03.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:43 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:14:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: U2 Tour? Thread-Index: AcjxfRBb0wszs+QmRyuRyI5AL5B/Pg== From: "Paul Sangster" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 13:15:43.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[34CB64D0:01C8F17D] Subject: [72attendees] U2 Tour? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0183563164==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0183563164== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F17D.114D9D91" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F17D.114D9D91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking for a few people to fill out a potential bus (mini-van) tour of the "historic" sites of Dublin's own irish rocker U2's past. This is a 4 hour guided tour with a local company visiting: where they grew up (not current homes), went to school, started the band, recording studios (where they are now recording the new album), and favorite hangouts. The price is 50EU per person and this includes a drink 2 hours into the tour. I believe if we do this, the van will pickup and drop off here at the Citywest hotel. I'm targetting 2PM on friday for the tour. =20 Please send me private e-mail if you are interested in participating. Please do not spam the alias with follow-ups. I can only accept a small number of folks so the first folks that commit to going get the seats. =20 Now back to discussions about poor networking and hot rooms :), =20 Paul ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F17D.114D9D91 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm = looking for a=20 few people to fill out a potential bus (mini-van) tour of the "historic" = sites=20 of Dublin's own irish rocker U2's past.  This is a 4 hour = guided=20 tour with a local company visiting: where they grew up (not = current=20 homes), went to school, started the band, recording studios (where they = are now=20 recording the new album), and favorite hangouts.  The price is 50EU = per=20 person and this includes a drink 2 hours into the tour.  I believe = if we do=20 this, the van will pickup and drop off here at the Citywest hotel.  = I'm=20 targetting 2PM on friday for the tour.
 
Please = send me=20 private e-mail if you are interested in participating.  Please do = not spam=20 the alias with follow-ups.  I can only accept a small number of = folks so=20 the first folks that commit to going get the seats.
 
Now = back to=20 discussions about poor networking and hot rooms :),
 
Paul
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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org that was quick. for whoever might be on the fence: I'm interesting in buying a ticket. d/ Jin Hong Yang wrote: > I have four social tickets available. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:26:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DB33A6B58; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EE13A6B72 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1493484128== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3300168411_1229990" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3300168411_1229990 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 The Social Event web page says: =B3Transportation, including a number of double-decker buses will be provided from citywest to the Storehouse and back again at the end of the evening. Arrival and departures will be staggered to allow people flexibility on whe= n they want to arrive or leave.=B2 Is there a schedule? Will the buses leave at regular intervals? Or will they come and go as they fill up? Will there be buses running back to City West before 11:30pm? (e.g., if some of us need to get back by 11pm) -Dave --B_3300168411_1229990 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Transportation to and from the Social Event Hi,
The Social Event web page says:
“Transportation, including a number of double-decker buses will be pr= ovided from citywest to the Storehouse and back again at the end of the even= ing.  Arrival and departures will be staggered to allow people flexibil= ity on when they want to arrive or leave.”

Is there a schedule?  Will the buses leave at regular intervals? Or wi= ll they come and go as they fill up?  Will there be buses running back = to City West before 11:30pm? (e.g., if some of us need to get back by 11pm)<= BR>
-Dave --B_3300168411_1229990-- --===============1493484128== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1493484128==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:26:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE453A6B76; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:26:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28D73A6B61 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at 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72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5E28C2DB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.404 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.404 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.867, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Pa293NGDfw1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com (paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com [208.17.35.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCBA28C2D8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.15.118]) by paoakoavas09.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id KP-NTF18.58315461; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:29:45 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.86]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:29:46 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <45AEC6EF95942140888406588E1A66020413D9E6@PACDCEXCMB04.cable.comcast.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxXCUjB9h3OFbDR7u+cyUdA615CAAIbue8 References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com><08E2EAD8-D4D6-41CF-B290-AF389F9C3A06@kurtis.pp.se> <8177A3E0-82ED-44FC-9DDE-187984886948@kurtis.pp.se> From: "Livingood, Jason" To: "Kurt Erik Lindqvist" , "Iljitsch van Beijnum" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 13:29:46.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B0DBB80:01C8F17F] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org As the host organizer for IETF 71, I can say from very recent experience that most people would be shocked by how many volunteers, how many hours of volunteer time, and, not least, how much money it takes to sponsor and to operate an IETF meeting - to say nothing of supporting organizations such as AMS. There is so much behind the scenes that people have no idea about, and there is months of advance preparation. It is an exceptionally large commitment of human resources and financial resources by a host like Alcatel-Lucent, and demonstrates a host's commitment to the IETF and what we all do here in a major way. So kudos to Alcatel-Lucent and any other future hosts of IETF meetings. While it's perfectly normal to expect a certain level of service and so on, and fix broken things, sometimes keeping things in perspective is a good thing as well. Regards Jason ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Kurt Erik Lindqvist Sent: Tue 7/29/2008 5:18 AM To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: > >> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location > > The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. > > Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can > find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets > of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of > one party, the other is unhappy. If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to your brand and the marketing value is negative. Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a meeting. Best regards, - kurtis - PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:32:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C039C28C2DA; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C2B28C2EB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Me too Regards Wolfgang = -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im = Auftrag von Dave Crocker Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Juli 2008 15:21 An: 72attendees@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [72attendees] 4 social tickets available that was quick. for whoever might be on the fence: I'm interesting in buying a ticket. d/ Jin Hong Yang wrote: > I have four social tickets available. -- = Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:35:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A54228C2D9; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10ED28C2E5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.649, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MiO3zpbqPWLl for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-dub.microsoft.com (smtp-dub.microsoft.com [213.199.138.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAEC28C2D9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DUB-EXHUB-C301.europe.corp.microsoft.com (65.53.213.91) by DUB-EXGWY-E801.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.129.1) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.240.5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:40 +0100 Received: from EA-EXMSG-C332.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.221.83]) by DUB-EXHUB-C301.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.213.91]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:39 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:34:09 +0100 Thread-Topic: Request for social event ticket Thread-Index: Acjxf8fHIu6tuVHATDOVLqJB55StYw== Message-ID: <9F11911AED01D24BAA1C2355723C3D32108A7D1C25@EA-EXMSG-C332.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] Request for social event ticket X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0071441968==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0071441968== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9F11911AED01D24BAA1C2355723C3D32108A7D1C25EAEXMSGC332eu_" --_000_9F11911AED01D24BAA1C2355723C3D32108A7D1C25EAEXMSGC332eu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone decides that don't need their ticket to the social event this yea= r, then please let me know. 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--_000_9F11911AED01D24BAA1C2355723C3D32108A7D1C25EAEXMSGC332eu_-- --===============0071441968== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0071441968==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:35:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0717A28C2E8; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D0528C2E8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7aOQ9y0x8u0v for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from napoleon.monoski.com (black.monoski.com [63.227.123.238]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC76828C2DA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasputin.monoski.com ([130.129.39.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by napoleon.monoski.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TDZ25a001186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <488F1C80.2070200@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:34:56 -0600 From: Luca Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dean Willis References: <488E50FB.5050004@cisco.com> <174DDBC8-36C1-4628-A4B7-16F47160B1B0@greycouncil.com> In-Reply-To: <174DDBC8-36C1-4628-A4B7-16F47160B1B0@greycouncil.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 63.227.123.227 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] SIP blocked in hotel rooms .... X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dean Willis wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Luca Martini wrote: > >> Can we get SIP ( port 5060 udp/tcp ) unblocked in our hotel rooms ? >> >> Assuming that the network might at some point work ;-) it would be >> nice not to have to come to the lobby to make phone calls ... > > Speaking as the SIP chair, I use Skype in such situations. They were > not burdened by the IETF assumption that NATs don't exist. > SIP works perfectly if you do not block port 5060 .... ;-) As soon as i have time to bring up my own asterisk server , you can bet that I'll be using something like port 110 ... Luca > -- > Dean > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 06:37:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0C828C2DA; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997D53A6B7A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2x-olUvWYVmv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.celtro.com (mailgw1.celtro.com [194.90.252.248]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE593A6B79 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c25afcf8-00000dc00000078c-4b-488f2b4670d3 Received: from clt-ex1.celtro.com ([192.168.85.5] RDNS failed) by mailgw1.celtro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:37:56 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:40:54 +0300 Message-ID: <458FE788DAFB95449C1939D94446869B0234BFC7@clt-ex1.celtro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I need one social ticket Thread-Index: AcjxgLkdHwoyFhgrSY+IDv6j0zQeEg== From: "Moshe Ashkenazi" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [72attendees] I need one social ticket X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1451574774==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1451574774== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F180.B9C86FC1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F180.B9C86FC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please contact me privately on the email if you have one ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F180.B9C86FC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks to our hosts for taking on repairing this for us, I understand it was outside your responsibilities. Thanks for the extra effort, Ric On 29/07/2008, at 1:27 PM, Vint Cerf wrote: > AIM seems to be working now in room block 16XX > > v > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> Something that I did not mention that is relevant is that I was >> using AIM from the room Sunday night. >> >> So, something changed over 24 hours. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> >>> --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but >>>> jabber, ssh, >>>> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. >>> >>> Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets >>> are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it >>> doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? >>> >>> Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating >>> a different outside IP address for each outgoing >>> "connection" (which, for UDP, often means each packet). There are >>> certainly a lot of UDP-based protocols that that will break, if >>> it's true (I'm not entirely convinced, because I run things that >>> it _should_ break pretty badly but that seem to work fine). >>> >>> FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's >>> lately, which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some >>> way. That would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I >>> use often, and I avoid NAT's when I can. >>> >>> Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections >>> are breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either >>> for tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a >>> protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. >>> Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about >>> these pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's >>> never encountered the problem before. >>> >>> >>> I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting >>> particular protocols to work, that they collect as much data as >>> possible about what is going on and then report the problem to the >>> hotel. Maybe one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what >>> sorts of data are most useful. >>> >>> -- Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:06:14 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0FD28C31E; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DE128C17C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xkoLISrFnw-L for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from audl951.usa.alcatel.com (audl951.usa.alcatel.com [143.209.238.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66B828C325 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs01.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.19]) by audl951.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id m6TE5KeO002158; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:20 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.10]) by usdalsbhs01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:19 -0500 Received: from USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.33]) by USDALSMBS02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:19 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:19 -0500 Message-ID: <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B8C@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] In-room network Thread-Index: AcjxglTYaLBhruG8S4OPLcx3UiTvQwAAMJkH References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com><8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at><200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu><25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu><1BCC7D52-F720-4B78-8255-4059B1BEF96C@multicasttech.com> From: "LANGE Andrew" To: "Richard Pruss" , "Vint Cerf" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 14:05:19.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[227F3C00:01C8F184] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 143.209.238.34 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, Marshall Eubanks , Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0726546398==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0726546398== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F184.2246BB33" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F184.2246BB33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The hotel has been very responsive to our needs. They jumped on this = issues this morning as soon as they came in. The fix for PPTP passthrough broke IPSec/UDP, since the internal IP's = were not set to always map to the same external IP. This caused = multiple sessions from the same host to get mapped to multiple external = IPs. This has been fixed. It's good to hear confirmation that this has = cleared up the problem. The hotel has not been blocking any ports out since we have arrived. = We've arranged for as clear a pipe as possible without breaking their = other systems.=20 Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Richard Pruss Sent: Tue 7/29/2008 8:51 AM To: Vint Cerf Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org; Marshall Eubanks; Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network =20 IPSec/UDP is working again. Thanks to our hosts for taking on =20 repairing this for us, I understand it was outside your =20 responsibilities. Thanks for the extra effort, Ric On 29/07/2008, at 1:27 PM, Vint Cerf wrote: > AIM seems to be working now in room block 16XX > > v > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> Something that I did not mention that is relevant is that I was =20 >> using AIM from the room Sunday night. >> >> So, something changed over 24 hours. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> >>> --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks = >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but =20 >>>> jabber, ssh, >>>> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. >>> >>> Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets =20 >>> are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it =20 >>> doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? >>> >>> Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating =20 >>> a different outside IP address for each outgoing =20 >>> "connection" (which, for UDP, often means each packet). There are =20 >>> certainly a lot of UDP-based protocols that that will break, if =20 >>> it's true (I'm not entirely convinced, because I run things that =20 >>> it _should_ break pretty badly but that seem to work fine). >>> >>> FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's =20 >>> lately, which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some =20 >>> way. That would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I =20 >>> use often, and I avoid NAT's when I can. >>> >>> Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections =20 >>> are breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either =20 >>> for tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a =20 >>> protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. =20 >>> Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about =20 >>> these pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's =20 >>> never encountered the problem before. >>> >>> >>> I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting =20 >>> particular protocols to work, that they collect as much data as =20 >>> possible about what is going on and then report the problem to the =20 >>> hotel. Maybe one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what =20 >>> sorts of data are most useful. >>> >>> -- Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F184.2246BB33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] In-room network

The hotel has been very responsive to our needs.  = They jumped on this issues this morning as soon as they came in.

The fix for PPTP passthrough broke IPSec/UDP, since the internal IP's = were not set to always map to the same external IP.  This caused = multiple sessions from the same host to get mapped to multiple external = IPs. This has been fixed.  It's good to hear confirmation that this = has cleared up the problem.

The hotel has not been blocking any ports out since we have = arrived.  We've arranged for as clear a pipe as possible without = breaking their other systems.

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Richard Pruss
Sent: Tue 7/29/2008 8:51 AM
To: Vint Cerf
Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org; Marshall Eubanks; Jeffrey Hutzelman
Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network

IPSec/UDP is working again.  Thanks to our hosts for taking = on 
repairing this for us, I understand it was outside your 
responsibilities. Thanks for the extra effort,
Ric

On 29/07/2008, at 1:27 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:

> AIM seems to be working now in room block 16XX
>
> v
>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
>> Something that I did not mention that is relevant is that I = was 
>> using AIM from the room Sunday night.
>>
>> So, something changed over 24 hours.
>>
>> Regards
>> Marshall
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote:
>>
>>> --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall = Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for = AIM, but 
>>>> jabber, ssh,
>>>> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage = to me.
>>>
>>> Really?  Have you collected any data that shows that = your packets 
>>> are not getting through?  Or are you simply assuming = that if it 
>>> doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked?
>>>
>>> Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be = allocating 
>>> a different outside IP address for each outgoing 
>>> "connection" (which, for UDP, often means each = packet).  There are 
>>> certainly a lot of UDP-based protocols that that will = break, if 
>>> it's true (I'm not entirely convinced, because I run things = that 
>>> it _should_ break pretty badly but that seem to work = fine).
>>>
>>> FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other = NAT's 
>>> lately, which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly = in some 
>>> way.  That would be news to me, but then, it's not a = protocol I 
>>> use often, and I avoid NAT's when I can.
>>>
>>> Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN = connections 
>>> are breaking because they expect to use a particular port, = either 
>>> for tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to = use a 
>>> protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple = connections.  
>>> Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know = about 
>>> these pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone = who's 
>>> never encountered the problem before.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would suggest that if folks are having problems = getting 
>>> particular protocols to work, that they collect as much = data as 
>>> possible about what is going on and then report the problem = to the 
>>> hotel.  Maybe one of the NOC folks can give us an idea = of what 
>>> sorts of data are most useful.
>>>
>>> -- Jeff
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 72attendees mailing list
>> 72attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ie= tf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
>
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> 72attendees@ietf.org
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F184.2246BB33-- --===============0726546398== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0726546398==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:33:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5363A6B8B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4413A6B83 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyL5u3Lbp+YW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.245.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF043A6B84 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: mdolly@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1217341917!1459300!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.54] Received: (qmail 17299 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 14:31:58 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.54) by server-8.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 14:31:58 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TEVvDt012768 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:31:57 -0400 Received: from gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com (gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com [135.53.26.19]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6TEVoC0012672 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:31:50 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <14C85D6CCBE92743AF33663BF5D24EBA56E28C@gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com> In-Reply-To: <458FE788DAFB95449C1939D94446869B0234BFC7@clt-ex1.celtro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Social Guiness tickets Thread-Index: AcjxgLkdHwoyFhgrSY+IDv6j0zQeEgABpu8Q References: <458FE788DAFB95449C1939D94446869B0234BFC7@clt-ex1.celtro.com> From: "DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [72attendees] Social Guiness tickets X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1111088152==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1111088152== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F187.D660D680" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F187.D660D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, =20 If you are going to the social and do not plan on using your Guinness beverage tickets, I would be glad to put them to good use (and would be grateful). =20 For those that do not know me, I am wearing green shorts and a tiki shirt. =20 Thank you, =20 Martin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F187.D660D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
If you = are going to=20 the social and do not plan on using your Guinness beverage tickets, I = would be=20 glad to put them to good use (and would be=20 grateful).
 
For = those that do not=20 know me, I am wearing green shorts and a tiki=20 shirt.
 
Thank=20 you,
 
Martin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F187.D660D680-- --===============1111088152== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1111088152==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:39:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F2C3A6AE9; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB333A6B84 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Do33mWoDQQvP for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233923A68A6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA1747EE3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAsXv9juCvdT for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Lat610CMM (unknown [130.129.1.136]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C182347ED9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cindy Morgan" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:39:41 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c8f188$f0978fd0$ef018182@Lat610CMM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acjxc9GYCjQYTO8kRAWNbLcAT1fKMAAFJbKQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [72attendees] 72nd IETF T-shirts Pickup Hours X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmorgan@amsl.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Please be advised that the T-shirt pickup table (Alcatel-Lucent table, across from the registration desk) will close at 5:00 PM today. They will re-open tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Thanks! Cindy Cindy Morgan / Project Manager / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117 / Fremont, CA 94538 T: +1.510.492.4085 / F: +1.510.492.4001 / http://www.ietf.org ---------- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS); Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning Website: http://www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:40:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1D3A6B86; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:40:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FE03A6A4F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.417 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.093, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YJWKVRNnFgJn for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx21.fujixerox.co.jp (mx21.fujixerox.co.jp [192.26.96.21]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4861D3A6B87 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isvw21.fujixerox.co.jp ([129.249.27.141]) by mx21.fujixerox.co.jp with ESMTP id m6TEesV2024681 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:40:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from ms20.fujixerox.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by isvw21.fujixerox.co.jp with ESMTP id m6TEesds020988 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:40:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.next.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp (mail.next.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp [129.249.209.162]) by ms20.fujixerox.co.jp with SMTP id m6TEesYM024795 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:40:54 +0900 (JST) Received: (qmail 51788 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 23:33:04 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO FX17578) (129.249.27.105) by mail.next.ksp.fujixerox.co.jp with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 23:33:04 +0900 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Ryu Inada Message-Id: <200807292340.FJH09317.BBEuJOZSV@fujixerox.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.51 PL2] X-Accept-Language: ja,en,zh Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:40:51 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] In Room Network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi. >From 1700 of yesterday, I could not get IP address from In room network, so I also could not use TV. My room is 41XX. -- Ryu Inada Ryu.Inada@fujixerox.co.jp _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:41:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C82F28C188; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3C73A6AE9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B-A+dRwsp5m0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CF83A6B81 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=whaddad@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217342503; x=1248878503; h=from:to:cc:date:subject:thread-topic:thread-index: message-id:accept-language:content-language: x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:acceptlanguage: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version: x-ironport-av; z=From:=20"Haddad,=20Wassim=20Michel"=20|To:=20"72attendees@ietf.org"=20<72attendees@ietf.org >|CC:=20"Haddad,=20Wassim=20Michel"=20|Date:=20Tue,=2029=20Jul=202008=2007:41:40=20-0700 |Subject:=20Social=20Ticket=20Available|Thread-Topic:=20S ocial=20Ticket=20Available|Thread-Index:=20AcjxiTYRdGRHml 18Ed2htAAfW+eO+A=3D=3D|Message-ID:=20|Accept-Language:=20en-US |Content-Language:=20en|X-MS-Has-Attach: |X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:|acceptlanguage:=20en-US |Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"iso-8859-1" |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable |MIME-Version:=201.0|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5 200,2160,5348"=3B=20a=3D"4969670"; bh=HySG5T75v3v01UkcHEJ5P8YcPh5GVY3Xj1E5dU5FXnY=; b=DFxb6GLNrhfwcUHwlkUCvVb8pyIdZhgod3Ryie2SxmXefTtr68LbyFxp Ns/IYz2WVw4yRkq6C4eS+poHxblsqtxXE2XNy87OPaLgGHpOIWKmzUI34 Qwc7knOuKo7FYqxrrTxy2XrjVh705p0CUksfZJkVnXlno0n34pF4TLdfY Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5348"; a="4969670" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 29 Jul 2008 07:41:43 -0700 Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6TEfgKD030410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:42 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com (nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com [172.30.33.34]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6TEfgCC021434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NASANEXMB01.na.qualcomm.com ([129.46.50.94]) by nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.33.34]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:41 -0700 From: "Haddad, Wassim Michel" To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:41:40 -0700 Thread-Topic: Social Ticket Available Thread-Index: AcjxiTYRdGRHml18Ed2htAAfW+eO+A== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] Social Ticket Available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have a social ticket available. Please contact me if interested. Regards, Wassim H. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 07:58:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422B43A6B9A; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EB93A6B84 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:58:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.92 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hWLv4B--tj9Y for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bpointsys.com (unknown [70.253.197.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48713A6B94 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <383EF70E894C52438F955558754247FD07FCD817@mail.securitytestsystems.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for 2 social tickets Thread-Index: Acjxi5h0t1ezs7PkSP6ZW2NiSPumpg== From: "Mike Hamilton" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [72attendees] Looking for 2 social tickets X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0324142953==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0324142953== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F18B.96708CA5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F18B.96708CA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please let me know if you are looking to sell. Thanks! =20 Mike =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F18B.96708CA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please let me know if you are looking to = sell.  Thanks!

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There's also one left on the tables in Convention 2 (currently BEHAVE). -- Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 08:19:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B183A6B92; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151D83A6824 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i8GOBcm3cKSF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Figured I'd drop a line and say the t-shirts are nice - I might actually keep this one :-) At first thought I expected "C=05=E9ad Mile F=E1ilte!" meant "Down with the Whiners!" :-) /* now folks can complain about sizes, or colors, or something of the sort */ -danny _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 08:30:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196963A6A4F; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F3728C33D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org And one more question: Would it be a bus going to the Center of the City? There are many of us staying there ... G On 7/29/08, David Sinicrope wrote: > Hi, > The Social Event web page says: > "Transportation, including a number of double-decker buses will be provided > from citywest to the Storehouse and back again at the end of the evening. > Arrival and departures will be staggered to allow people flexibility on when > they want to arrive or leave." > > Is there a schedule? Will the buses leave at regular intervals? Or will > they come and go as they fill up? Will there be buses running back to City > West before 11:30pm? (e.g., if some of us need to get back by 11pm) > > -Dave > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 08:50:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F3928C34E; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD05728C33D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHR4Ap+8wycA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=287; t=1217346661; x=1218210661; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_[72attendees]_C=3D05=3DE 9ad_Mile_F=3DE1ilte!?=3D |Sender:=20; bh=b9cTNzP58yr3WLa0OUb2wz8xjrdlrOinT0aVL3Kcuf0=; b=lHYCbMaRadmyr7HUlunkSa9jblLOlXx0LqgSMTT/cdwQQtQUKajkEza5JR /8K8S6XimifCmqiMCwlpGXQ2bSrN618ZTNXLNDiEg11M2/swyM6TNXKW3bqb G1vz6b9uwL; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?C=05=E9ad_Mile_F=E1ilte!?= X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Tuesday 29/07/2008 09:25 -0600, Danny McPherson wrote: >Figured I'd drop a line and say the t-shirts are nice - >I might actually keep this one :-) > >At first thought I expected "C=E9ad Mile F=E1ilte!" meant >"Down with the Whiners!" :-) "A hundred thousand welcomes". _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:07:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D53A698B; 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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:07:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: 72attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-669767738 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:07:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-5-669767738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The network wasn't working so well for me in the BEHAVE session: --- sequoia.muada.com ping6 statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 96.774/551.194/2062.626 ms Apparently my Mac has scaled back its transmission speed somewhat, see picture. 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a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=ca.afilias.info; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=TVq+ndk1gTjr7p01uJ5YDMMWnwH0kpWjWtiRe0lif/iKFs90CyL8D7PiSzMtm7j9kutwsIElbTnUKnnYouDfrkGZEFiN/he6jCQF5cCvwPmTm+Q1rIznG1i5aMLZkWC3; Received: from [130.129.23.132] by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KNrjZ-0009rD-L3 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:07:34 +0000 Message-Id: <18FE402B-25E7-4CBB-A630-525AC108D3C2@ca.afilias.info> From: Joe Abley To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:07:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] social ticket available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi! Currently, I have: - an XL IETF 72 t-shirt, and - a social ticket I would prefer to have: - an XXL IETF 72 t-shirt, and - no social ticket, and - more money than I have at present, ideally to the tune of 40 USD (25 EUR). I imagine that there is some overlap between the set of people for whom XL is a little tight around the fuselage and the set of people who think an evening at the Guiness Storehouse. Seems like a reasonable theory to test, anyway. Anybody interested, drop me a note. Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:08:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E593A6BE1; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5813A6BE2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdF3qMIhUHb6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B19F3A6BDD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TG8v4L025134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:08:59 -0700 Message-ID: <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:08:56 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> In-Reply-To: <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7878/Tue Jul 29 06:12:40 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale Worley wrote: > It also doesn't help that this is a one-week event unlike any event the > venue has ever had, or ever will have again. There's not a lot of time > for everyone to learn how to optimize all these trade-offs for this > particular audience, This is key. As long as our model has us usually going to places one time, there can be no learning curve. In spite of the considerable effort to get things right each time, actually achieving that will fail regularly. The only way to get reliable performance of a meeting venue is to find a few that we like and keep going back. As long as we make the first priority be to find a host and let the host choose a (new) venue, we will keep having venue problems. We have 15+ years of consistent history on this score. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:11:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7F3A698B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0665D3A6927 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id alEX96qd9GDU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (hiroshima.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9092C3A698B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6TGBDSb011212; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m6TGBDFG011209; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY=Apple-Mail-5-669767738 Content-ID: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --Apple-Mail-5-669767738 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; FORMAT=flowed; DELSP=yes Content-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > The network wasn't working so well for me in the BEHAVE session: > > --- sequoia.muada.com ping6 statistics --- > 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 96.774/551.194/2062.626 ms > > Apparently my Mac has scaled back its transmission speed somewhat, see > picture. > > However, on the ietf-a network things are much better at 104 Mbps on channel > 60. please open a ticket by either going to: http://meeting.ietf.org or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org thanks > Iljitsch > --Apple-Mail-5-669767738 Content-Type: IMAGE/PNG; X-MAC-CREATOR=474B4F4E; X-UNIX-MODE=0644; X-MAC-TYPE=504E4766; NAME="Picture 1.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: 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<94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com><1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org One word: "Minneapolis" > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Dave Crocker > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:09 PM > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: > Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) > > > > Dale Worley wrote: > > It also doesn't help that this is a one-week event unlike any event the > > venue has ever had, or ever will have again. There's not a lot of time > > for everyone to learn how to optimize all these trade-offs for this > > particular audience, > > > > This is key. > > As long as our model has us usually going to places one time, there can be > no > learning curve. > > In spite of the considerable effort to get things right each time, > actually > achieving that will fail regularly. > > The only way to get reliable performance of a meeting venue is to find a > few > that we like and keep going back. > > As long as we make the first priority be to find a host and let the host > choose > a (new) venue, we will keep having venue problems. We have 15+ years of > consistent history on this score. > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:13:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5723A698B; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674F73A6927 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhC+m9AZY1R9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pgpeng.com (mail.pgpeng.com [216.112.105.75]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19123A698B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.214.100.74] (account derek HELO keys.pgpeng.com) by pgpeng.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.7) with ESMTPSA id 3316023 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:20 -0700 Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org ([130.129.21.69]) by keys.pgpeng.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:22:59 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.pgpeng.com on Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:22:59 -0700 Message-ID: <488F419C.3080507@pgp.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:16 -0400 From: Derek Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dave Crocker wrote: > The only way to get reliable performance of a meeting venue is to find a > few that we like and keep going back. 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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@ietf.org Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id C3CDC3A6B4D; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Agenda To: IETF Announcement list Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080729090551.C3CDC3A6B4D@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] 72nd IETF - Agenda Typo X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There is a typo on the printed agenda for today, Tuesday, July 29 at 1740-1840. MANET will meet in Convention 1 starting at 1740 and continue in that room until 1950. IDR will meet in Ballroom 2 starting at 1740 and continue in that room until 1950. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. Marcia _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:13:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFFD3A6BD0; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32993A68AE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.043 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.043 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.556, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0nQBQ7uJzQId for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jackfruit.srv.cs.cmu.edu (JACKFRUIT.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.201.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB33F3A68A4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-130-129-19-120.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.19.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by jackfruit.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6TBTfqS009719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:29:40 +0100 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Marshall Eubanks , Alexander Mayrhofer Message-ID: <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but jabber, ssh, > http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating a different outside IP address for each outgoing "connection" (which, for UDP, often means each packet). There are certainly a lot of UDP-based protocols that that will break, if it's true (I'm not entirely convinced, because I run things that it _should_ break pretty badly but that seem to work fine). FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's lately, which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some way. That would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I use often, and I avoid NAT's when I can. Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections are breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either for tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about these pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's never encountered the problem before. I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting particular protocols to work, that they collect as much data as possible about what is going on and then report the problem to the hotel. Maybe one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what sorts of data are most useful. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:13:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE093A6BDF; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738953A6B72 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IfHfITlbjLpF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:14:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Lucy Lynch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:15:00 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: > please open a ticket by either going to: > http://meeting.ietf.org > or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org Are others also seeing issues? Please email me offlist in that case and I'll open a ticked. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:35:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF953A6891; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9F23A6891 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Rpi3W9q1TGs for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE073A67A3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,273,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="59009907" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:35:17 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6TGZGK1009081; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:16 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TGZGGb029922; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:35:16 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: dcrocker@bbiw.net In-Reply-To: <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> Message-ID: References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1709; t=1217349316; x=1218213316; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Clarifying=20Host=20Res ponsibilities=20(was=20Re=3A=20Guestroom=0A=20Network=20not= 20under=20NOC=20Control) |Sender:=20; bh=32P4P+nMBTcrwWj/55uNDvm2MbYe6K4J2gglpUp8Bnw=; b=ADWvRPRXKVUmoAVtSbXUhloHIadhKtYuOZ/sxcQMF4Am/cl9F/oFBjlhOp qhzhtL0y0aMKjaPKnJvPDXPmEk6HAlGh/YUbrDCmy4bpdWDhL+Kxp4FWzdrv 0y6hGWo3iZ6QJ9NGWkacxtL71hhzxpWFdUzNNxOicuOkcUN8hrbBI=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org And we also have consistent history which says that a hosted meeting is much easier on everyone involved (except the host :-) and that hosts typically want some say in where the meeting is held. If your headquarters is in say, Philadelphia, you can recruit a lot of "volunteers" and run back to the office and borrow a printer, hub, switch, paper ream, or what have you. This works well, and while I agree that having a few "hub" locations would be good, I also know that it isn't easy to find a willing host for a "repeating" location. The new location syndrome also has good sides such as permitting more participants from a given local region. I don't have the stats on how many more people we have this time from the UK *and* Ireland, but I bet you there is a significant increase. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Dave Crocker wrote: > > This is key. > > As long as our model has us usually going to places one time, there can be no > learning curve. > > In spite of the considerable effort to get things right each time, actually > achieving that will fail regularly. > > The only way to get reliable performance of a meeting venue is to find a few > that we like and keep going back. > > As long as we make the first priority be to find a host and let the host > choose a (new) venue, we will keep having venue problems. We have 15+ years > of consistent history on this score. > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:41:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0F13A68C8; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270EA3A6890 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zpx7DAJn-Rib for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D7F3A67A3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,273,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="133120022" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 16:41:22 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6TGfMlp006886; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:41:22 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6TGfMRG010828; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:41:22 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <200807291551.m6TFoxI24287@cisco.com> Message-ID: References: <34BB334B-FB79-4456-8250-F5196356EEB4@arbor.net> <200807291551.m6TFoxI24287@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=301; t=1217349682; x=1218213682; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20=3D?iso-8859-1?q?C=3D05 =3DE9ad_Mile_F=3DE1ilte!?=3D |Sender:=20; bh=DyYYjnfBQ2BaTcSNe54vuGH4wiN9jL2T3vu1Yf+WWDI=; b=grp4Z3YcVog23HPPaCigSIxMSnkvwJq8bZz0euizzrvHmZhyPcHoLdoS2L dxXTTElGAOiU3dpMd6VhwTWzaNFKEGz3Yq8tv/shM9tmnT/Ls221QNEagqDi 1vP3rZ5euw; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?C=05=E9ad_Mile_F=E1ilte!?= X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org OK, I'm placing bets that someone will complain that it says "conference" instead of "meeting" ;-) Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:42:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A02F3A6890; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4813A67D9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c2TLWKGDQcqv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <488F488D.9080003@employees.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:42:53 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <34BB334B-FB79-4456-8250-F5196356EEB4@arbor.net> <200807291551.m6TFoxI24287@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 16:42:55.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[26ABCCB0:01C8F19A] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?C=05=E9ad_Mile_F=E1ilte!?= X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/29/08 5:38 PM, Ole Jacobsen allegedly wrote: > OK, I'm placing bets that someone will complain that it says > "conference" instead of "meeting" ;-) That happened within 10 seconds of when I got my shirt. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 09:56:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9123A6965; 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3300170164_6199131 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I want to take this opportunity to thank Bert for stepping up to help out the AMS staff today. We really valued his professionalism behind the registration desk, and he's great on a 10 key. It was an honor to have the opportunity to work with him. 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72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --B_3300170164_6199131-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:00:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE1F28C186; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB6828C180 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VvjmqECNaizw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DE13A692E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:57:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=ca.afilias.info; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=Ymmq12S/Bt+CfblEt1+q86bTE6aWuAZesQaLGs2FRFn+TK+ZtOmGtqU4di6DTCMkz8tgOv5xs9jsfCqmQzWoJdZFAuGJPdOQESsClNHNr7tIyR1VLRegMRP+vbjkSMsM; Received: from [130.129.23.132] (helo=shiny.meeting.ietf.org) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KNsWD-000AN6-GY for 72attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:57:49 +0000 Message-Id: From: Joe Abley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <18FE402B-25E7-4CBB-A630-525AC108D3C2@ca.afilias.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:57:46 +0100 References: <18FE402B-25E7-4CBB-A630-525AC108D3C2@ca.afilias.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: Re: [72attendees] social ticket available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 29 Jul 2008, at 17:07, Joe Abley wrote: > Currently, I have: > > - an XL IETF 72 t-shirt, and > - a social ticket > > I would prefer to have: > > - an XXL IETF 72 t-shirt, and > - no social ticket, and > - more money than I have at present, ideally to the tune of 40 USD > (25 EUR). I am happy to announce that I now have transformed the first list above exactly into the second list. Dynamic capitalism in action. So I no longer have a social ticket available. Thanks! Joe _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:29:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3A23A6A8D; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F80F3A6A8D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0JyNYaGpzz9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDE43A6A88 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (unknown [86.47.155.49]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93D2534E45D5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:30:10 -0700 (MST) References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD0FB@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <200807290055.m6T0t26n004039@raisinbran.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Message-Id: <59E3B53D-62F7-4450-A2E4-55791EA89533@fugue.com> From: Ted Lemon To: Jeffrey Hutzelman In-Reply-To: <25833CB3A33A957FCC91DC49@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5A345) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5A345) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:29:30 +0100 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org>, Marshall Eubanks , "jhutz@cmu.edu" Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've just noticed aim plain old breaking down, even with globally routable ip addresses at home. I think it's not safe to assume that an aim failure is a local problem. On Jul 29, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Monday, July 28, 2008 08:14:03 PM -0400 Marshall Eubanks > wrote: > >> Tonight from my room, I get connection failures for AIM, but >> jabber, ssh, >> http, etc., all work fine. It sounds like port blockage to me. > > Really? Have you collected any data that shows that your packets > are not getting through? Or are you simply assuming that if it > doesn't work, it must be because the port is blocked? > > Someone noted earlier that the hotel's NAT seems to be allocating a > different outside IP address for each outgoing "connection" (which, > for UDP, often means each packet). There are certainly a lot of UDP- > based protocols that that will break, if it's true (I'm not entirely > convinced, because I run things that it _should_ break pretty badly > but that seem to work fine). > > FWIW, I've also noticed AIM breaking from behind other NAT's lately, > which may indicate the protocol is NAT-unfriendly in some way. That > would be news to me, but then, it's not a protocol I use often, and > I avoid NAT's when I can. > > Of course, it's also possible that some people's VPN connections are > breaking because they expect to use a particular port, either for > tunneled traffic or for IKE, or because they expect to use a > protocol for which the NAT cannot multiplex multiple connections. > Those of us who've done this a few times presumably know about these > pitfalls by now, but there will always be someone who's never > encountered the problem before. > > > I would suggest that if folks are having problems getting particular > protocols to work, that they collect as much data as possible about > what is going on and then report the problem to the hotel. Maybe > one of the NOC folks can give us an idea of what sorts of data are > most useful. > > -- Jeff > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:34:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA4928C0E5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0AE28C0D8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFx1d2W+F7YX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B63E3A69EB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1507021ywj.49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=vPUO7JKSic0UxoY3dIq2xwB83W3QnBrXmeBEPO5Kr/s=; b=qMJSs7M46Uud2ZL58+F8vNRVYnCdfBZGDVcpdN9Sg9my/o5haAfvn9mRtrApkG9Aav l3+lNspvih+CqjXbDCtWOoCpkZ98Vy86Xa2G36+En/yBKqQDSSJQA+ONE1pWp+Q2PB8W pVLKKUFEzzAKjjPIRB1+D+svwIydB5Y9D8rkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=LoTOI0BO0nUCGqYiUmyR78yyN9HpAOmJerZBD5lzAbERy7QZGo0p87X5LYtrPw+k4z iEvaWj8i9c1D+k5RWZQllGMO9YBRuo3qtQ7sJgkoDGa/7pj4xYEXFHHCBpXX25KkdBtH 4z/ZBXY3zd39dT9ZiwP/kg/VkKVZu9QB5FvNM= Received: by 10.115.15.5 with SMTP id s5mr6995360wai.6.1217352885141; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.129.18.6? ( [130.129.18.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k21sm21049616waf.8.2008.07.29.10.34.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Antonio Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:34:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [72attendees] looking for 1 social event ticket X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1713514106==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1713514106== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-674990891 --Apple-Mail-21-674990891 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi, Does anybody have 1 ticket for the social event available? Antonio ____________________________ Antonio G. Ruzzelli, MEng, PhD University College Dublin, http://csserver.ucd.ie/~aruzzelli/ Tel: +353-17162488 --Apple-Mail-21-674990891 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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= --Apple-Mail-21-674990891-- --===============1713514106== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1713514106==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:37:47 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33273A6AC8; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573EB3A6AC2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, URIBL_GREY=0.25] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SC0+3UCCBiSa for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F4A3A6AB9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y36so176560ugd.46 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=EfCJ0GRyq6jEAlCCnla2QGROf3Kttgp6aBwnH6/UOa4=; b=u8hxyY26o5J76HTQWg2Xv/2XSO+ppMxZfcuggSSrPHCx8WLNDNBkiMhR1eCwklTz52 deU9DSAqL3PXO96h1WOwk0c/pC8WOdZDw2JH8S08nKXsZxxPQtKai13rWzIfmuIrxJXC Z/Enkv9SQs2WTu6u/nvTP9+F56pD1U3OdjL9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dWFEMmdYmVtL3n3r80Sa3k7Q01f5CzMO9Ik/Wi12XjaB02TPzHyv4K10vVMSPyMbQ9 T8fMR+ThHdEueLHUpPCer84/Kv4/SRb7QV/LWArikTU0tbF5P1BOeOhcG90cgEXCF/T5 JZ1kafWF05dHiDVh3O7Ik5NCSmVu+DK5NkvKY= Received: by 10.66.234.8 with SMTP id g8mr207926ugh.43.1217353076428; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88ac5c710807291037k1f96e827rbe506514dc8696ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:37:56 +0100 From: "Richard Barnes" To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [72attendees] GEOPRIV and ECRIT experiments at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I wanted to let folks know about an experiment that some folks from the GEOPRIV and ECRIT working groups have been working to set up at IETF 72 to see if we can deliver some basic location-based applications (including emergency calling), using the IETF network as a platform. The prinicpal challenge in creating location-based applications is getting location in the first place. This experiment is getting location via the IETF network: When you send the location server a request for your location, it looks up which AP you're connected to and returns the location of that AP (if it knows it). Based on this location platform, we've created a few different applications, including -- Basic location mapping -- ECRIT emergency calling -- Location-enhanced Jabber presence -- LoST-based discovery of nearby points of interest (e.g., museums) Much more information is available on the web page we've created at the following URI: Please feel free to send email to me if you're interested in participating or helping out in any way, or if you have any feedback on the experiment. Thanks --Richard _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:38:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F82F3A6B2E; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F033A6B24 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.759 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.759 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.661, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQFlyDiLArqf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB23A6AC6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E9F48123; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtstrRFbISQc; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (unknown [130.129.1.136]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9E2480C0; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:59 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: Antonio , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] looking for 1 social event ticket Thread-Index: AcjxoftoOfVdkl2VEd29ngAf88vDKQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] looking for 1 social event ticket X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0743051372==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============0743051372== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3300172742_6249969" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3300172742_6249969 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable We have had one social ticket returned to us just now. The first person who arrives at registration (Convention Lobby) can purchase it. Alexa On 7/29/08 10:34 AM, "Antonio" wrote: > Hi,=A0 > Does anybody have 1 ticket for the social event available? >=20 >=20 > Antonio > =20 > ____________________________ > Antonio G. Ruzzelli, MEng, PhD > University College Dublin, > http://csserver.ucd.ie/~aruzzelli/ > Tel: +353-17162488 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --B_3300172742_6249969 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [72attendees] looking for 1 social event ticket We have had one social ti= cket returned to us just now. The first person who arrives at registration (= Convention Lobby) can purchase it.

Alexa


On 7/29/08 10:34 AM, "Antonio" <ruzzelli@gmail.com> wrote:<= BR>
Hi,=A0
Does anybody have 1 ticket for the social event available?


Antonio
 
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Antonio G. Ruzzelli, MEng, PhD
University College Dublin,
http://csserver.ucd.ie/~aruzze= lli/
Tel: +353-17162488




 


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 --B_3300172742_6249969-- --===============0743051372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0743051372==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:43:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7C63A6A5C; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C441A3A6A8D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:28:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5a3RUCyN0tDx for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.124.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D91453A6A85 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28467 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 17:29:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=P6D19PzYMA+jDP8hejly9cZfPBHAE4e3H3TUtWx43gE8z0Oqju1IOzdHUS2QY3MlsC6w5pmOml9Aj5kZD8foILtXx4ojG63YL4tzL6OTfHa7ohgJuTQuatup0pg0oLVKqIwiQRQk2JolVdgVQVnEPCkseVfgRET9kwLnkMcaId4=; Received: from [130.129.65.101] by web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Eisler To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <847522.28364.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [72attendees] I have two Social Event tickets to sell X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org First come, first serve. $40 USD each. Or 26 Euro each. Or 21 GBP each. Will sell together or separately. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 10:59:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CD93A6AD4; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D509A3A67EB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.095, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1bUOkTDGrDt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.124.129]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 18E043A6AD4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68173 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 17:59:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=AH8wXsKoZuHIQ5hDdqntlklx+BMN6iQ4piirQ6tNl0XVdrSiwOiji5RQU4dQTFZdF/aYGveOURfbw7eaV1vc96nAzoI6Rnve7iCzWuSOfwIjJ05F4uTNieIiwseuN2MQgnJAcrUaCN6V8qtYA6cdRXdvOA6PXUKzgQHECsr4hWY=; Received: from [130.129.65.101] by web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Eisler To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <847522.28364.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <890551.68130.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [72attendees] GONE Re: I have two Social Event tickets to sell X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org GONE. What a great list. :-) --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Mike Eisler wrote: > From: Mike Eisler > Subject: [72attendees] I have two Social Event tickets to sell > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:29 AM > First come, first serve. > > $40 USD each. Or 26 Euro each. Or 21 GBP each. > > Will sell together or separately. > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 11:10:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0EC3A68B2; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CB53A68B2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YzXc2vWWKzqQ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3304F3A67AB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E626548110 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLrJT-fQgQui for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.14.166] (unknown [130.129.65.145]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEB847EBC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:10:22 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Bert Lends a Hand Thread-Index: Acjxm/o0ONm2jl2PEd29ngAf88vDKQACmOOu In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Bert Lends a Hand X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sorry for sending such a huge file out over the list -- as soon as I hit "send" I realized I'd forgotten to resize it. My error completely; I can assure you that Bert had nothing to do with it. Alexa On 7/29/08 9:56 AM, "Alexa Morris" wrote: > I want to take this opportunity to thank Bert for stepping up to help out > the AMS staff today. We really valued his professionalism behind the > registration desk, and he's great on a 10 key. It was an honor to have the > opportunity to work with him. > > Alexa > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 11:12:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF21328C0F0; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DB028C0F0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id goga7LLKs4+b for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB728C0ED for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6TIA3O04742; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:10:04 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D511F952E5@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Bert Lends a Hand Thread-Index: Acjxm/o0ONm2jl2PEd29ngAf88vDKQACmOOuAAAAHqA= References: From: "Ed Juskevicius" To: "Alexa Morris" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Bert Lends a Hand X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org That's OK. Our host's network handled the file OK. In addition, I think we needed the hi-res image to see the fine print on Bert's badge! ;-) Ed J. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexa Morris Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:10 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Bert Lends a Hand Sorry for sending such a huge file out over the list -- as soon as I hit "send" I realized I'd forgotten to resize it. My error completely; I can assure you that Bert had nothing to do with it. Alexa On 7/29/08 9:56 AM, "Alexa Morris" wrote: > I want to take this opportunity to thank Bert for stepping up to help > out the AMS staff today. We really valued his professionalism behind > the registration desk, and he's great on a 10 key. It was an honor to > have the opportunity to work with him. > > Alexa > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 12:18:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA1428C129; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EC93A6B41 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcAYpLEIVTKJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28823A6B42 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so944yxg.49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; bh=/kPCGmYJVjVI6g8bB7rv5Ka+EmPmriglsYGt63gF2jg=; b=Y/b1TSaAIwNk82L6otOht3IvJ7jPu0ERDzKfxp3S/l2Qj/8JY5i5jT2xoEB3SYGyJJ 9XhAqinm4sWb9AYfe0fNZgVpXayhrt7y8QY8xfgp+stwpkKCD6QwFpEDe8zZScZbNzlo xadj1AHuqTz3KY8igq06v8LHyVgDK7zOSa5c4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; b=TbGFZiGk5sF4jqQYziRlYTyM6vcWN6FFXuKIunPbrSd4l0akxcnmlZw35tAclBcjab 41y6jdktkuJzyO2VP/una7te1VDdjpxVo3m8YtzFFCos9w7/sW+5MUbWIomZj/ftywrw /4iSCKOsfpSOqmqZr4dHO1+s5acWcJ9HRv7oo= Received: by 10.142.178.2 with SMTP id a2mr2302445wff.160.1217359148745; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.195.9 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:19:08 -0700 From: "Gregory Lebovitz" To: ietf@ietf.org, 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: iab@iab.org Subject: [72attendees] IAB's Introduction to the Wed Technical Plenary X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1194924319==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1194924319== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49249_4397157.1217359148719" ------=_Part_49249_4397157.1217359148719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline IAB's Introduction to the Wed Technical Plenary This Wednesday night the IAB invites you to join us at the Technical Plenary where we will hear first hand from 5 members of the Internet community who have been embroiled in operational IPv6 deployments. They represent the perspectives of RIR's, network operations teams, broadband services, content delivery services, and Host Applications. They will share with us about their IPv6 adoption successes, hurdles, and IPv4 depletion contingency planning. There will be both moderated and open Q&A sessions. Motivation & Background ------------------------ Studies suggest that the completion of IPv4 address allocations will occur in the not too distant future. One example, http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ estimates that at the current rate IANA will allocate its last block of addresses to the RIR's by February 2, 2011. Regardless the exact date one expects, the concept of an empty storehouse will change the networking landscape. In order to ready for that eventual moment, various players are working towards wider IPv6 deployment. Some content providers are planning ahead, working to ready their content for IPv6 endpoint hits. This has recently become visible, and the volume of work is mountainous. Some service providers and broadband providers see the need, started some time ago, and are moving toward infrastructure and service delivery that can/will run on IPv6. Both face a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem: the content providers would move faster if they knew the operators had the services fully baked to deliver IPv6 eyeballs to the content. Meanwhile, the operators say they would invest more in their IPv6 services and infrastructure deployments if the content the end-customers demand was available and abundant. The two are interdependent; one cannot be without the other. Enterprises are, in some way, the swing vote. Objectively, few enterprises, have moved to wide scale deployments of IPv6. Some have IPv6 pilots, a few have partial deployments. Yet they may hit the v4 allocation cliff harder than either the other two communities. This will leave them in a costly scurry to react at the last minute. IPv6 deployment in operational networks across the Internet is a work in progress. Transition mechanisms have existed and been deployed for years, including dual-stacks and various translation and tunneling mechanisms. Over time, more hosts and networks are moving to native IPv6 operations. Collectively, we now have several years of experience with both. The IAB has established this plenary topic to provide some background and input from those experienced with deployments and issues in order to empower the IETF community do its part to encourage and facilitate the world-wide deployment of IPv6. We have a very full agenda ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/72/agenda.html) for Wednesday's Technical Plenary, and will begin promptly at 17:00 in Convention 1 and 2, just left of the IETF registration desk. We look forward to seeing you then. Gregory Lebovitz Wednesday's Panel Moderator, on behalf of the IAB -- ---- IETF related email from Gregory M. Lebovitz Juniper Networks ------=_Part_49249_4397157.1217359148719 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
IAB's Introduction to the Wed Technical Plenary

This Wednesday night the IAB invites you to join us at the Technical Plenary where we will hear first hand from 5 members of the Internet community who have been embroiled in operational IPv6 deployments. They represent the perspectives of RIR's, network operations teams, broadband services, content delivery services, and Host Applications. They will share with us about their IPv6 adoption successes, hurdles, and IPv4 depletion contingency planning. There will be both moderated and open Q&A sessions.

Motivation & Background
------------------------ 
Studies suggest that the completion of IPv4 address allocations will occur in the not too distant future. One example, http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ estimates that at the current rate IANA will allocate its last block of addresses to the RIR's by February 2, 2011.

Regardless the exact date one expects, the concept of an empty storehouse will change the networking landscape. In order to ready for that eventual moment, various players are working towards wider IPv6 deployment.

Some content providers are planning ahead, working to ready their content for IPv6 endpoint hits. This has recently become visible, and the volume of work is mountainous. Some service providers and broadband providers see the need, started some time ago, and are moving toward infrastructure and service delivery that can/will run on IPv6. Both face a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem: the content providers would move faster if they knew the operators had the services fully baked to deliver IPv6 eyeballs to the content. Meanwhile, the operators say they would invest more in their IPv6 services and infrastructure deployments if the content the end-customers demand was available and abundant. The two are interdependent; one cannot be without the other.

Enterprises are, in some way, the swing vote. Objectively, few enterprises, have moved to wide scale deployments of IPv6. Some have IPv6 pilots, a few have partial deployments. Yet they may hit the v4 allocation cliff harder than either the other two communities. This will leave them in a costly scurry to react at the last minute.

IPv6 deployment in operational networks across the Internet is a work in progress. Transition mechanisms have existed and been deployed for years, including dual-stacks and various translation and tunneling mechanisms. Over time, more hosts and networks are moving to native IPv6 operations. Collectively, we now have several years of experience with both.

The IAB has established this plenary topic to provide some background  and input from those experienced with deployments and issues in order to empower the IETF community do its part to encourage and facilitate the  world-wide deployment of IPv6.

We have a very full agenda (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/72/agenda.html) for Wednesday's Technical Plenary, and will begin promptly at 17:00 in Convention 1 and 2, just left of the IETF registration desk. We look forward to seeing you then.

Gregory Lebovitz
Wednesday's Panel Moderator,
on behalf of the IAB



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Juniper Networks ------=_Part_49249_4397157.1217359148719-- --===============1194924319== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1194924319==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 15:57:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8126D3A69A2; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176743A68C8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3R0adA33MeGz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (dlpdemo.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA553A6814 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id 33FEE294001; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:57:21 +0300 (IDT) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.68]) by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EC6200D71; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:55:32 +0300 (IDT) Received: from [172.31.21.91] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m6TMtTjI023401; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:55:30 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> From: Yoav Nir To: Iljitsch van Beijnum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:55:28 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0666071533==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0666071533== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-694244062; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-1-694244062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't get anything from the 'ietf' network. However, the cgnat network worked fine for me (I have a Mac) For a friend with Windows XP, it didn't work at all. On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: > >> please open a ticket by either going to: > >> http://meeting.ietf.org > >> or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org > > Are others also seeing issues? 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0666071533==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 00:19:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547F83A6A99; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF3A3A6A99 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sDyUqqv+PxKP for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Yoav Nir wrote: > I couldn't get anything from the 'ietf' network. However, the cgnat network > worked fine for me (I have a Mac) > > For a friend with Windows XP, it didn't work at all. All - Just a reminder, the IETF network is v6 enabled, and if you're have success with cgnat and NOT with ietf, you may want to review your network settings. A simple test, go to: www.sixxs.net and check to green status box in the upper right hand corner. If you don't have v6, you can adjust your network settings using the instructions found here: http://wiki.tools.isoc.org/IETF71_IPv4_Outage and I've added this link to meeting.ietf.org - Lucy > On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > >> On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: >> >>> please open a ticket by either going to: >> >>> http://meeting.ietf.org >> >>> or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org >> >> Are others also seeing issues? 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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:07:19 -0700 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network connectivity in the room (58xx). I can obtain an IP address and ping the router, but no packets get anywhere else. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the blackboard. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:28:11 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AB628C1D5; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F33A6B8B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p41tULLtstNK for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096063A6B8D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b11so80594nfh.39 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=11E8mn15lS2rc9oRsCWs1qNNHPIBvHv64PY4ZStSj4A=; b=YbviGbh7yz+oN37UPfp/PgKaEDB0FNs3FVnVt8tvLtfTXyE24VvvKpNLklDjmQHsB0 g1p9NPQ2aeN4oEeflQrxMjTdX0CzRdRT+2+BGqSJDWwtzQKs9YOZBunNfUEyQpkilFTS BvkMKaF1IKHTGfkHsXbjjE/d/YO7jw4YXkLM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NpGWWbqO9blZW+iP63yRbO1V+058YKMhZxy+KubA32rR4Lnt5RV867ZYSbp2by7nA4 ur6gFJuboLOgNyv/tXqv0/j3sCVXr3P27MgD30UtK+jgG459JQZgdOBq6/BCDrhymH3R +arMu5g2q72PIn5TqFE3VY/jmnkRGUJyW7Kvc= Received: by 10.210.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr8905073ebj.158.1217406230619; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.23.14 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:23:50 +0900 From: "Jihoon Lee" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950334B865@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f16a1dd8ec78b027 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2001011744==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============2001011744== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34705_21981273.1217406230617" ------=_Part_34705_21981273.1217406230617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline same here (room 31xx, golf hotel). But I was drunken last night, simply I gave up. :-) Ji Hoon 2008/7/30 Randall Gellens > > Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network > connectivity in the room (58xx). I can obtain an IP address and ping the > router, but no packets get anywhere else. > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- > A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the blackboard. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > ------=_Part_34705_21981273.1217406230617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
same here (room 31xx, golf hotel). But I was drunken last night, simply I gave up. :-) 
 
Ji Hoon

2008/7/30 Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com>
Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network connectivity in the room (58xx).  I can obtain an IP address and ping the router, but no packets get anywhere else.

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Randall Gellens
Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
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A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the blackboard.

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------=_Part_34705_21981273.1217406230617-- --===============2001011744== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============2001011744==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:30:47 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1857228C1C2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FFC28C22D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:30:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hSCK1N-NCnG2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (dlpdemo.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E803A68EF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id 365E2294001; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:30:57 +0300 (IDT) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.68]) by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4E1200D70; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:28:40 +0300 (IDT) Received: from [172.31.21.91] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m6U8ScjI007966; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:28:39 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <744D3533-1D6D-4A33-8509-97454F7F6B7B@checkpoint.com> From: Yoav Nir To: Lucy Lynch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:28:37 +0100 References: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1489816527==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1489816527== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-728632511; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-8-728632511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm on 'ietf' all the time. It was just at that particular room at that particular time that I couldn't get a signal on 'ietf' My friend with the XP couldn't get a signal on 'ietf' either, and couldn't get an address on cgnat. On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lucy Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Yoav Nir wrote: > >> I couldn't get anything from the 'ietf' network. However, the cgnat >> network worked fine for me (I have a Mac) >> >> For a friend with Windows XP, it didn't work at all. > > All - > > Just a reminder, the IETF network is v6 enabled, and if you're > have success with cgnat and NOT with ietf, you may want to > review your network settings. > > A simple test, go to: www.sixxs.net and check to green status > box in the upper right hand corner. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1489816527==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:32:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C446A28C254; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4028C258 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8fWM8JmLmwTT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Joel- Is there a way to see if there are any listeners to the live audio stream from a wg/rg? Are there real-time statistics available for the streams? --aaron _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:36:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6B528C275; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EB328C273; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n+PZ87LmC3vR; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail171.messagelabs.com (mail171.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74443A6A89; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-171.messagelabs.com!1217406939!14730230!15 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.88] Received: (qmail 1789 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 08:36:11 -0000 Received: from amer-mta102.csc.com (HELO amer-mta102.csc.com) (20.137.2.88) by server-10.tower-171.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 08:36:11 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta102.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6U8ZcZN009783; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:36:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:31:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/30/2008 04:39:03 AM, Serialize complete at 07/30/2008 04:39:03 AM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1876120607==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1876120607== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 002ED4ED85257496_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 002ED4ED85257496_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on it. Janet 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/30/2008 04:07:19 AM: > Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network > connectivity in the room (58xx). I can obtain an IP address and ping > the router, but no packets get anywhere else. > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- > A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the blackboard. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --=_alternative 002ED4ED85257496_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on it.

Janet

72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/30/2008 04:07:19 AM:

> Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network
> connectivity in the room (58xx).  I can obtain an IP address and ping
> the router, but no packets get anywhere else.
>
> --
> Randall Gellens
> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
> -------------- Randomly-selected tag: ---------------
> A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the blackboard.
> _______________________________________________
> 72attendees mailing list
> 72attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
 --=_alternative 002ED4ED85257496_=-- --===============1876120607== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1876120607==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:41:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA6528C151; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B0828C12B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NXe3ZeNewZ-d for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B1928C130 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12292033; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:41:14 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Lucy Lynch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:41:11 -0400 References: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:19 AM, Lucy Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Yoav Nir wrote: > >> I couldn't get anything from the 'ietf' network. However, the cgnat >> network worked fine for me (I have a Mac) >> >> For a friend with Windows XP, it didn't work at all. > > All - > > Just a reminder, the IETF network is v6 enabled, and if you're > have success with cgnat and NOT with ietf, you may want to > review your network settings. > > A simple test, go to: www.sixxs.net and check to green status > box in the upper right hand corner. If you don't have v6, > you can adjust your network settings using the instructions > found here: In testing on Sunday, I had more signal power in the Hotel Foyer area with cgnat than with ietf or ietf-a. Here in Ballroom 1 the power seems adequate in both of those. BTW, my box is green on www.sixxs.net. I personally was pleased to see softwires working. Regards Marshall > > > http://wiki.tools.isoc.org/IETF71_IPv4_Outage > > and I've added this link to meeting.ietf.org > > - Lucy > > >> On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> >>> On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: >>>> please open a ticket by either going to: >>>> http://meeting.ietf.org >>>> or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org >>> Are others also seeing issues? Please email me offlist in that >>> case and I'll open a ticked. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway. >> > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:47:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3F93A6B9B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5752B3A6B5C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U61BT8qQLZlT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984A43A6ABD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id 0819D14A0003; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.23.8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615A729E1459 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <61BA7167-BAD7-4ECB-927A-1AA1CED85506@viagenie.ca> From: Marc Blanchet To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:46:39 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0007306463==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0007306463== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47-729714939 --Apple-Mail-47-729714939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable every ietf, tuesday evening after social, too many geeks come back to =20= their room at the same time and are heavily needing to be on-line =20 since they have been offline for 3 hours... about everytime, it =20 "crashes" the whole hotel room network... Marc. Le 08-07-30 =E0 09:31, Janet P Gunn a =E9crit : > > > According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the =20 > lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were =20 > having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on it. > > Janet > > > 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/30/2008 04:07:19 AM: > > > Sometime between 7:00 PM and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network > > connectivity in the room (58xx). I can obtain an IP address and =20 > ping > > the router, but no packets get anywhere else. > > > > -- > > Randall Gellens > > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself =20= > only > > -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- > > A sine curve goes off to infinity or at least the end of the =20 > blackboard. > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ----- IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca --Apple-Mail-47-729714939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable every ietf, tuesday evening = after social, too many geeks come back to their room at the same time = and are heavily needing to be on-line since they have been offline for 3 = hours... about everytime, it "crashes" the whole hotel room = network... 

Marc.

Le = 08-07-30 =E0 09:31, Janet P Gunn a =E9crit :



According to the front desk last = night (after I came out to the lobby since I was having the same problem = in the room) they were having problems with the whole hotel network, and = were working on it.

Janet

72attendees-bounces@ietf.org<= /a> wrote on 07/30/2008 04:07:19 AM:

> Sometime between 7:00 PM = and 10:00 PM last night, I lost all network
> connectivity in the = room (58xx).  I can obtain an IP address and ping
> the = router, but no packets get anywhere else.
>
> --
> Randall = Gellens
> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect; =    I speak for myself only
> -------------- = Randomly-selected tag: ---------------
> A sine curve goes off to = infinity or at least the end of the blackboard.
> = _______________________________________________
> 72attendees = mailing list
> 72attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
= _______________________________________________
72attendees= mailing list
72attendees@ietf.org
https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees

-----
IPv6 book: = Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca

=

=

= --Apple-Mail-47-729714939-- --===============0007306463== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0007306463==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:47:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49523A6BB2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CD93A6BB3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FvnxXNqFd+ow for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702B3A6BB7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U8ltGJ085821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:47:57 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:47:55 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7885/Wed Jul 30 05:25:24 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Joel Jaeggli , 72whiners <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] counting listeners X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Aaron Falk wrote: > Joel- > > Is there a way to see if there are any listeners to the live audio > stream from a wg/rg? Are there real-time statistics available for the > streams? In real time you can go to http://limestone.uoregon.edu:8001 and icecast2 will report current streams available and participant counts including a peak that's measured since the establishment of the current incoming tcp stream for that source (generally once a day sometimes more often). icecast2 stats are collected, we can crunch them post-facto > --aaron > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:51:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA703A6B9B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0CE3A68EF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MD9jCxnFEDCZ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C773D3A6B3B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:51:21 -0700 (PDT) X-ECS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1218012693.15909@3KaFIN+2WpqI2LpZoPq2gQ Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:21d:9ff:fe22:9fc]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6U8pTjg022088 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:29 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe59:5f12]) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6U8pLK8007772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:21 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m6U8pLZJ004184 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:21 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6U8pLnd004183 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:21 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080730085121.GA2957@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: m6U8pLK8007772 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: m6U8pTjg022088 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: [72attendees] Rogue 6to4 RA on wireless network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, We still have a rogue RA on the wireless network today, the same one as yesterday. The Ethernet source of the RA is an Intel adapter 00:19:d2:7f:a6:52. The IPv6 source is fe80::6c4e:8ed1:3ad2:4cc4 which might be a Windows Vista 'randomised' host address. It's advertising prefix 2002:8281:1394:9:: so has IPv4 addr 130.129.19.148. It's also offering an fec0:: prefix so is probably running Windows ICS (perhaps because the system has IPv6 on but is filtering incoming IPv6 RAs in the host firewall?) Anyone got any other clues? Anything the local ops guys can do? :) Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:53:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37433A68A2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459043A6965 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlT-ao8Kfbzv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BC03A6882 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12292192; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:54:01 -0400 Message-Id: <5E1EE49B-C7A0-4DC0-9035-C816714CD2B4@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <20080730085121.GA2957@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:53:58 -0400 References: <20080730085121.GA2957@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Rogue 6to4 RA on wireless network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > > We still have a rogue RA on the wireless network today, the same one > as > yesterday. > > The Ethernet source of the RA is an Intel adapter 00:19:d2:7f:a6:52. > > The IPv6 source is fe80::6c4e:8ed1:3ad2:4cc4 which might be a Windows > Vista 'randomised' host address. > > It's advertising prefix 2002:8281:1394:9:: so has IPv4 addr > 130.129.19.148. > > It's also offering an fec0:: prefix so is probably running Windows ICS > (perhaps because the system has IPv6 on but is filtering incoming > IPv6 RAs > in the host firewall?) > > Anyone got any other clues? > > Anything the local ops guys can do? :) Figure out what room they are in and go there and try and find them. Marshall > > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:54:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2E73A68A2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECB83A6846 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B3M2BYIWqk1m for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A0E3A68A2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6U8shUh086049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:54:45 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48902C53.5070506@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:54:43 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7889/Wed Jul 30 08:32:20 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marshall Eubanks wrote: > In testing on Sunday, I had more signal power in the Hotel Foyer area > with cgnat than > with ietf or ietf-a. Here in Ballroom 1 the power seems adequate in both > of those. BTW, > my box is green on www.sixxs.net. This is a product of the client's scanning implementation rapidly jumping through channels... All 6 ssids are available and beaconed on every ap deployed. > I personally was pleased to see softwires working. > > Regards > Marshall > >> >> >> http://wiki.tools.isoc.org/IETF71_IPv4_Outage >> >> and I've added this link to meeting.ietf.org >> >> - Lucy >> >> >>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>> >>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: >>>>> please open a ticket by either going to: >>>>> http://meeting.ietf.org >>>>> or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org >>>> Are others also seeing issues? Please email me offlist in that case >>>> and I'll open a ticked. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 01:59:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620C73A6BBD; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EC73A6BBF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xfPJWICoIBkw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D6A3A6BBD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12292265; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:59:32 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Joel Jaeggli In-Reply-To: <48902C53.5070506@bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:59:29 -0400 References: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> <48902C53.5070506@bogus.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:54 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> In testing on Sunday, I had more signal power in the Hotel Foyer >> area with cgnat than >> with ietf or ietf-a. Here in Ballroom 1 the power seems adequate in >> both of those. BTW, >> my box is green on www.sixxs.net. > > This is a product of the client's scanning implementation rapidly > jumping through channels... > Well, maybe so, but on Sunday in the foyer I had 1 bar and couldn't even ssh to my servers on ietf or ietf-a, while ietf-cgnat was fine in both power and connectivity. Regards Marshall > All 6 ssids are available and beaconed on every ap deployed. > >> I personally was pleased to see softwires working. >> Regards >> Marshall >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.tools.isoc.org/IETF71_IPv4_Outage >>> >>> and I've added this link to meeting.ietf.org >>> >>> - Lucy >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 17:11, Lucy Lynch wrote: >>>>>> please open a ticket by either going to: >>>>>> http://meeting.ietf.org >>>>>> or by sending email to: help@meeting.ietf.org >>>>> Are others also seeing issues? Please email me offlist in that >>>>> case and I'll open a ticked. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>>> Scanned by Check Point Total Security Gateway. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 02:04:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CEE28C191; 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Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:04:29 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48902E9B.4060608@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:04:27 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown References: <20080730085121.GA2957@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20080730085121.GA2957@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7889/Wed Jul 30 08:32:20 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Rogue 6to4 RA on wireless network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > > We still have a rogue RA on the wireless network today, the same one as > yesterday. > > The Ethernet source of the RA is an Intel adapter 00:19:d2:7f:a6:52. this client is now blacklisted. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 02:51:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860723A6BAC; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Aaron Falk wrote: >> Joel- >> Is there a way to see if there are any listeners to the live audio >> stream from a wg/rg? Are there real-time statistics available for >> the streams? > > In real time you can go to > > http://limestone.uoregon.edu:8001 > > and icecast2 will report current streams available and participant > counts including a peak that's measured since the establishment of > the current incoming tcp stream for that source (generally once a > day sometimes more often). > > icecast2 stats are collected, we can crunch them post-facto So, if I want to know if there are any listeners I look at the audio URL on the agenda to see which stream, e.g., ietf722.mp3, then check the page above. Cool! --aaron _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:05:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45B28C29D; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1792028C0E2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.17 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.17 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.429, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eK7wR-K-ai9o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp131.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp131.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1654F3A68F7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4082 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 10:04:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OO+biv4o9gwJ7pgOba2fPcfz5Vg35sdv0DLNdyGWNL9E/s5l+yFwq4wSU5xU46Be9hJdggb9FFZBBbTGHuFzaRbf8awdftF5/IYBde1E8lLApMtNyEdJXoJkuWbBirKg5l70AEKzoCf1oVe+wavAVy9Kb9phTaCq3bFTU4CRL20= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?130.129.55.226?) (tom.taylor@rogers.com@130.129.55.226 with plain) by smtp131.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 10:04:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BtPucaYVM1mwKdGjBm97KEWJVDxAqik4N_1WP9AU0yEL_xl9uGJ6JuPHKe0XAR_2TA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48903CC5.3090803@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:04:53 +0100 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Need charger for Nokia 6805 cell phone X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I managed to leave my charger for my cell phone at home. Can anyone lend me the use of theirs? Tom Taylor Yahoo: ptt20544f4d Jabber: TomTaylor@jabber.org _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:08:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00AA28C2D0; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1DD28C2CE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.862 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.862 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.737, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pcB0IPxIcqT0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.121]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C60A128C2C4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 96986 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 10:08:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Sr2dOajwaWc7ToQx4JktUAv54z8/DASaE8ynbOVFjS0f51fhjX6pSMmPV7sDJ6UrPTqTjVi/eleaNVFEJYqHjqg4a04X7xVfdeOCiNoI948QIuI7/YvlgY0ZiqotdH4HZxCBT39lOyckSGZvGiwx1Z3pO2s3fzKk/S1zFLgkzdQ=; Received: from [130.129.20.50] by web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Burger To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <854294.95942.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [72attendees] Micro USB Cable X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Burger List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Anyone have a micro-USB cable (like for a BlackBerry) that I could borrow to sync my PDA? Thanks. -- Eric Burger _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:08:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB7D28C2BB; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C22828C2BB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gbi3+iT56kNS for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02728C2CF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=rg+ietf@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217412535; x=1248948535; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer: x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject:cc:content-type: x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |In-Reply-To:=0D=0A=20|References:=0D=0A=20|X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for=20Mac=20OS=20X |X-message-flag:=20Warning:=20Outlook=20in=20use.=20=20Up grade=20to=20Eudora:=20|Date:=20We d,=2030=20Jul=202008=2003:06:16=20-0700|To:=20Janet=20P =20Gunn=20|From:=20Randall=20Gellens=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[72attendees]=20In- room=20network|Cc:=2072attendees@ietf.org|Content-Type: =20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D "flowed"|X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3D McAfee=3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5349"=3B=20a=3D"5001103"; bh=6OA/ah0PMeeLHLAitF56B1Xs6Jr/KocwuZIxgQQwdto=; b=oZfQ7VDAkQkRqktW7CjNTVyjwYTkORvfT0Ex1UGA4PJYRAIqLw378z58 5dUGb7/oWc6b5lU+fpTyAvO3nm65FYRzUSn2TvMa4wld5jybXDErTelat 97THxjJfdqwXYBoVaqBO6Us+kXDOsFin4q19Q26BqQe2Chboa3Fv4gckV 0=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5349"; a="5001103" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Jul 2008 03:08:42 -0700 Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6UA8gK2018793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:42 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.99] (vpn-10-50-16-76.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.76]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6UA8dwJ022290; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:06:16 -0700 To: Janet P Gunn From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 4:31 AM -0400 7/30/08, Janet P Gunn wrote: > According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the > lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were > having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on > it. This morning, the front desk had no idea about any network problems, and offered only to send a maintenance person to my room (to unclog the network with a toilet plunger, perhaps?) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very"; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be. --Mark Twain _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:13:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7748C28C2CF; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8C128C2CF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vaWCYV+HkaLi for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D760628C2CC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=rg+ietf@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217412833; x=1248948833; h=message-id:x-mailer:x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject: content-type:x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for=20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag: =20Warning:=20Outlook=20in=20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eud ora:=20|Date:=20Wed,=2030=20Jul=20 2008=2003:13:33=20-0700|To:=20Marc=20Blanchet=20,=2072attendees@ietf.org|From:=20Randal l=20Gellens=20|Subject:=20Re:=20[72 attendees]=20In-room=20network|Content-Type:=20text/plain =3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowed" |X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5349"=3B=20a=3D"5001159"; bh=4XHeoPRkEiq/8TtdguLUg1Yyjme4yuMncdDQfWKzRW8=; b=jan/poji/USaAbwWqoJtB2sEtI54DNIQRjYK15gVAn9pNzFdPtAk9j3m 505Al+lLnENQIW1SsQ+UknAq19QpBFTVlB35ssjE8vTTRKwQU07Powv+h GFaLU9JUu8HZxUdWJZnBrBoxgpNElQjR8qHUq+sCDdPO8adMq39I3pzWK A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5349"; a="5001159" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Jul 2008 03:13:36 -0700 Received: from msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (msgtransport05.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6UADaZl019712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:36 -0700 Received: from [130.129.20.99] (vpn-10-50-16-76.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.76]) by msgtransport05.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m6UADXxJ022157; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:33 -0700 To: Marc Blanchet , 72attendees@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 9:46 AM +0100 7/30/08, Marc Blanchet wrote: > every ietf, tuesday evening after social, too many geeks come back > to their room at the same time and are heavily needing to be > on-line since they have been offline for 3 hours... about > everytime, it "crashes" the whole hotel room network... It was still down this morning, so it doesn't seem to be anything transient. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once a week. --George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:19:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424FA28C2F3; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C9628C2ED for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i+9xMdTYzj6W for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395B628C2EC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12293060; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:19:37 -0400 Message-Id: <8DF29708-E0A4-4A5B-BB0E-CCE651A20658@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Randall Gellens In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:19:19 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org My 25XX room network was fine, both after the social last night, and this morning. Regards Marshall On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 4:31 AM -0400 7/30/08, Janet P Gunn wrote: > >> According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the >> lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were >> having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on it. > > This morning, the front desk had no idea about any network problems, > and offered only to send a maintenance person to my room (to unclog > the network with a toilet plunger, perhaps?) > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself > only > -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- > Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very"; your > editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be. > --Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:22:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719C93A6BCD; 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Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:22:03 -0500 Received: from [135.210.105.3] (unknown[135.210.105.3](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20080730102202gw1003snjfe> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:03 +0000 Message-ID: <489040C9.1080706@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:01 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: 72attendees@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org My network was up last night and this morning, but the DNS server wasn't answering. :-( Tony Hansen Randall Gellens wrote: > At 9:46 AM +0100 7/30/08, Marc Blanchet wrote: > >> every ietf, tuesday evening after social, too many geeks come back to >> their room at the same time and are heavily needing to be on-line >> since they have been offline for 3 hours... about everytime, it >> "crashes" the whole hotel room network... > > It was still down this morning, so it doesn't seem to be anything > transient. > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 03:22:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0C528C2CF; 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q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HsHBtA7xMri2snYDs/zsaEOS96hOYstlmbCSEu06juh5W8mojNLsKrJ+vXq+SrMM7OnCJWhLpS7h8uqshpVcbG7ojQAqUKQOJSHyUzgAXTK9AOEGqzstTBCtLrYCW+I4xEmJ3nV9u8aIoL2shwa/62049OanNo9M/pyRntfUEgA=; Received: from [130.129.20.50] by web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:22:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Burger To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <925005.62577.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Micro USB Cable X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Burger List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Got one. Thanks!!! ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Burger To: 72attendees@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:08:15 AM Subject: [72attendees] Micro USB Cable Anyone have a micro-USB cable (like for a BlackBerry) that I could borrow to sync my PDA? Thanks. -- Eric Burger _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 04:26:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7863A67E5; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:26:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA753A67E5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIiisY4EF1um for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3558F3A67B7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:217:f2ff:fe4d:a80e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:217:f2ff:fe4d:a80e]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AFC308446 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:26:36 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:26:30 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: [72attendees] Soccer ball for todays game X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I bought a ball to play football/soccer, so If the 10 people that on the list for playing today want to use it (there is no ball at the front desk), please send me an email. 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b=OM0cUfl0L5BFJNBKbSWU9ikL53kux8ewYG+9vdTREnWtFhvJaWfbLNaB+yNce3xNl S0RlMfoowHjyI5zop9yCw== Received: from mtv-exbe-3.mtv.corp.google.com (mtv-exbe-3.mtv.corp.google.com [172.25.44.139]) by zps78.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6UBZYZ4014689; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:35:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:35:34 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Share taxi on Friday morning Thread-Index: AcjyN+svwPBiixrQQ6211lwGODLnwgAAHY/b From: "Vint Cerf" To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Share taxi on Friday morning X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Airport taxi from citywest hotel is about 60 euros including tip. Two people can spliit the tab; at least that's what I did today. Sadly, the owner of the helicopters is not offering them for rent. V Vint ----- Original Message ----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> To: 72attendees@ietf.org <72attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Wed Jul 30 04:32:16 2008 Subject: [72attendees] Share taxi on Friday morning Hi all, I will be taking a taxi to the airport at 9am on Friday morning. Would anyone be interested in sharing a ride ? Cheers, Paresh Khatri -- sent from my Blackberry ! _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 04:40:24 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAC528C30B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93E928C2FB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.622, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1MMbNCgh4feM for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CCB28C2D9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,278,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15974652" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 11:40:29 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6UBeTjF004093 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:40:29 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UBeTJo029785 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:40:29 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:40:29 -0400 Received: from [130.129.22.80] ([10.82.240.206]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:40:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: Ralph Droms To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:40:28 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 11:40:29.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[11325CB0:01C8F239] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=108; t=1217418029; x=1218282029; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rdroms@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ralph=20Droms=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Share=20taxi=20on=20Fri day=20morning |Sender:=20 |To:=2072attendees@ietf.org; bh=f1akDXEoi/CIOOaSyscfZTt1rDmiRJ4DW4IXKFa0uns=; b=mceTclv54bYFQrXFzeS84sAO0ZF57XSUt2YTY+CKNy0UNblKzYPxd5Bu0E pyC/cEnxVwn0LZwibPDA6E/UNdO6B8A9FSwdykGzb+DxyKrxylz0DQVLUpnI Le+0nqp7e2; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=rdroms@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Share taxi on Friday morning X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'll be taking a taxi to the airport at 0400 (AM) Sat. Anyone interested in sharing a ride? - Ralph _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 04:45:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1533A67FE; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB34F28C327 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.623 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.623 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lSsrvYKoz8gS for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E9E7728C2BB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16768 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 11:45:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rS11iyProalwpaJSyT0rDLLDZIz5waJ6twPTdU7TYf/2db/o99V+bBrVsHSTZSVgnnx7hdPFAyhCM1qYKTvxcs2gVG9HiSPRaOHzWOkZsu7lKy/OAqk2oDf9xDwtLIZ4OjBGT5TYOo+oepQqJyWbwj6XAiT3UTVn81+iwdLSiu4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?130.129.18.207?) (tom.taylor@rogers.com@130.129.18.207 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 11:45:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yo2U1OQVM1mkPCz6VC4l1CaEBlXDFv9fH_yb6aCgiFwiesX7kxKx.6ovEzbwmmVBTw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48905458.4020800@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:45:28 +0100 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <48903CC5.3090803@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <48903CC5.3090803@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Need charger for Nokia 6805 cell phone X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Got one, thanks. Tom Taylor wrote: > I managed to leave my charger for my cell phone at home. Can anyone lend > me the use of theirs? > > Tom Taylor > Yahoo: ptt20544f4d > Jabber: TomTaylor@jabber.org > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 04:49:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFB528C298; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A763A67FE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKGPodD12oWz for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og114.obsmtp.com (exprod7ob114.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.214]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F114228C1A0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob114.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:50:00 PDT Received: from p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.46]) by p-emsmtp01.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:39 -0700 Received: from antipi.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.34]) by p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:49:39 -0700 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by antipi.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] In-room network Thread-Index: AcjyLEuXIUkI+v5FRo2f2P6dJB/tswADfGcQ References: From: "Thomas Walsh" To: "Randall Gellens" , "Janet P Gunn" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 11:49:38.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[584549E0:01C8F23A] Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Janet, Funny. I talked to the same front desk person. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gellens Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:06 AM To: Janet P Gunn Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] In-room network At 4:31 AM -0400 7/30/08, Janet P Gunn wrote: > According to the front desk last night (after I came out to the > lobby since I was having the same problem in the room) they were > having problems with the whole hotel network, and were working on > it. This morning, the front desk had no idea about any network problems, and offered only to send a maintenance person to my room (to unclog the network with a toilet plunger, perhaps?) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very"; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be. --Mark Twain _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 05:04:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BF628C32D; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7028C2D5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryXUHsCMn201 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ki.iif.hu (mail.ki.iif.hu [IPv6:2001:738:0:411::241]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C690628C25D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37F4849EC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mignon.ki.iif.hu Received: from mail.ki.iif.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mignon.ki.iif.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Vot-Y9xLxCJP for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix, from userid 9002) id 675288489A; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662EE8484A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Mohacsi Janos X-X-Sender: mohacsi@mignon.ki.iif.hu To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dear All, Are there any procedural information available about the PGP keysigning session this afternoon? Janos Mohacsi Network Engineer, Research Associate, Head of Network Planning and Projects NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUNGARY Key 70EF9882: DEC2 C685 1ED4 C95A 145F 4300 6F64 7B00 70EF 9882 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 05:24:48 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A2B28C10E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E753A68C4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.318, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOyimkdmuCLv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B3E343A69BE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 50651 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 12:24:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NDm0DCfkE42XXfhs2xsSEmqjq8Iu8A4Q3TX+yispNhsEFHxTb9dP2vUNCYdHwZjnHCoajdsh1/vF9xJP71UGF/+phXAn1jbqPPuSQJTMYhLASnTjPd/4qJWa89iv4Bm3VXCUOlRe9x+7ocYmJeUGowNhdPu9YA63+1m569UOMX0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?130.129.18.207?) (tom.taylor@rogers.com@130.129.18.207 with plain) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 12:24:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A6sZmAoVM1n1RGEMvBtAl3v3M8Wh8C5yEfD2kZE7mjZlgVbgbqL2DkleudURomPSHg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <48905D97.5080005@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:24:55 +0100 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] [Fwd: 72nd IETF - PGP Key Signing] X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 72nd IETF - PGP Key Signing Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement list CC: wgchairs@ietf.org, bofchairs@ietf.org, irtf@isi.edu Once again, we will be holding a PGP Key signing party at the 72nd IETF meeting in Dublin. We have been scheduled to meet at 16:10 on the evening of Wednesday, Jul 30 in the Conservatory. Note that we have a very tight time-slot between the last afternoon session and the plenary, so please be on time. In addition to the normal key-signing (details below), it has been suggested that this event would be a good venue for people to gain points in the certification systems operated by CAcert and Thawte. So, if you are a Thawte Notary or CAcert Assurer, please consider joining us. Those wishing to participate should note that both systems require that you be registered with the system and present one or more identity documents, of which the Assurer/Notary must retain copies. We will not have a photocopier available during the session, so participants should make several copies of their documents in advance. The hotel business center is located on the 2nd floor of the main hotel; ask at the hotel reception desk for details. For more information on CAcert and Thawte, see http://www.cacert.org/ and http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/index.html The procedure we will use for the PGP key signing is the following: o People who wish to participate may do so in one of two ways. You may bring slips of paper with your name, e-mail address, key-id, and key fingerprint. (One way of generating this if using gpg is "gpg --list-keys --fingerprint my_username@hostname") You should bring enough for everyone who may attend; given recent attendance patterns, around 50 should be more than enough. (You can generally fit 10-12 strips containing your key fingerprint on a single sheet of paper, and then cut out strips to hand out.) o Alternatively, you may email an ASCII extract of their PGP public key to by noon on Wednesday, Jul 30. Please include a subject line of "IETF PGP KEY", and please DO NOT MIME-ENCRYPT your e-mail; send it to me as plain text. The method of generating the ASCII extract under Unix is: pgp -kxa my_email_address mykey.asc (pgp 2.6.2) pgpk -xa my_email_address > mykey.asc (pgp 5.x) gpg --export -a my_email_address > mykey.asc (gpg) If you're using Windows or Macintosh, hopefully it will be Intuitively Obvious (tm) using the GUI interface how to generate an ASCII armored key that begins "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----". o By 14:00 on Wednesday, you will be able to fetch complete key ring from any of the following locations with all of the keys that were submitted: /afs/grand.central.org/project/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp http://grand.central.org/dl/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp ftp://grand.central.org/pub/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp o At 16:10, come prepared with the PGP Key fingerprint of your PGP public key; we will have handouts with all of the key fingerprints of the keys that people have mailed in. o In turn, readers at the front of the room will recite people's keys; as your key fingerprint is read, stand up, and at the end of reading of your PGP key fingerprint, acknowledge that the fingerprint as read was correct. o Later that evening, or perhaps when you get home, you can sign the keys corresponding to the fingerprints which you were able to verify on the handout; note that it is advisable that you only sign keys of people when you have personal knowledge that the person who stood up during the reading of his/her fingerprint really is the person which he/she claimed to be. o Send the signed keys to the owners, and, optionally, to the PGP key servers. Some poeple opt to NOT send the signed keys to the keyservers, but rather choose to send them only to the e-mail address on the key's userid, encrypted for that particular key. This tends to ensures the validity of the e-mail address. Note that you don't have to have a laptop with you; if you don't have any locally trusted computing resources during the key signing party, you can make notes on the handout, and on the strips of papers, and then take these and sign the keys later. Acknowledgement: The bulk of the text of this message was taken from the messages usually sent by Ted Ts'o to announce IETF key signing parties. -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Sr. Research Systems Programmer School of Computer Science - Research Computing Facility Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 05:32:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A0B28C2D5; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@ietf.org Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id C256F28C33C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Secretariat To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080730123208.C256F28C33C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [72attendees] 72nd IETF - PGP Key Signing X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Once again, we will be holding a PGP Key signing party at the 72nd IETF meeting in Dublin. We have been scheduled to meet at 16:10 on the evening of Wednesday, Jul 30 in the Conservatory. Note that we have a very tight time-slot between the last afternoon session and the plenary, so please be on time. In addition to the normal key-signing (details below), it has been suggested that this event would be a good venue for people to gain points in the certification systems operated by CAcert and Thawte. So, if you are a Thawte Notary or CAcert Assurer, please consider joining us. Those wishing to participate should note that both systems require that you be registered with the system and present one or more identity documents, of which the Assurer/Notary must retain copies. We will not have a photocopier available during the session, so participants should make several copies of their documents in advance. The hotel business center is located on the 3rd floor of the main hotel; ask at the hotel reception desk for details. For more information on CAcert and Thawte, see http://www.cacert.org/ and http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/index.html The procedure we will use for the PGP key signing is the following: o People who wish to participate may do so in one of two ways. You may bring slips of paper with your name, e-mail address, key-id, and key fingerprint. (One way of generating this if using gpg is "gpg --list-keys --fingerprint my_username@hostname") You should bring enough for everyone who may attend; given recent attendance patterns, around 50 should be more than enough. (You can generally fit 10-12 strips containing your key fingerprint on a single sheet of paper, and then cut out strips to hand out.) o Alternatively, you may email an ASCII extract of their PGP public key to by noon on Wednesday, Jul 30. Please include a subject line of "IETF PGP KEY", and please DO NOT MIME-ENCRYPT your e-mail; send it to me as plain text. The method of generating the ASCII extract under Unix is: pgp -kxa my_email_address mykey.asc (pgp 2.6.2) pgpk -xa my_email_address > mykey.asc (pgp 5.x) gpg --export -a my_email_address > mykey.asc (gpg) If you're using Windows or Macintosh, hopefully it will be Intuitively Obvious (tm) using the GUI interface how to generate an ASCII armored key that begins "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----". o By 14:00 on Wednesday, you will be able to fetch complete key ring from any of the following locations with all of the keys that were submitted: /afs/grand.central.org/project/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp http://grand.central.org/dl/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp ftp://grand.central.org/pub/ietf-pgp/ietf72/ietf72.pgp o At 16:10, come prepared with the PGP Key fingerprint of your PGP public key; we will have handouts with all of the key fingerprints of the keys that people have mailed in. o In turn, readers at the front of the room will recite people's keys; as your key fingerprint is read, stand up, and at the end of reading of your PGP key fingerprint, acknowledge that the fingerprint as read was correct. o Later that evening, or perhaps when you get home, you can sign the keys corresponding to the fingerprints which you were able to verify on the handout; note that it is advisable that you only sign keys of people when you have personal knowledge that the person who stood up during the reading of his/her fingerprint really is the person which he/she claimed to be. o Send the signed keys to the owners, and, optionally, to the PGP key servers. Some poeple opt to NOT send the signed keys to the keyservers, but rather choose to send them only to the e-mail address on the key's userid, encrypted for that particular key. This tends to ensures the validity of the e-mail address. Note that you don't have to have a laptop with you; if you don't have any locally trusted computing resources during the key signing party, you can make notes on the handout, and on the strips of papers, and then take these and sign the keys later. Acknowledgement: The bulk of the text of this message was taken from the messages usually sent by Ted Ts'o to announce IETF key signing parties. -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Sr. Research Systems Programmer School of Computer Science - Research Computing Facility Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 05:38:44 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1D528C34E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECDA28C35A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0mkm1pwjZNwd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D60628C1C8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UCcmWt095547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:38:51 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <489060D8.5050904@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:38:48 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: <50673E5C-DACD-42FC-87BB-D9D88A4B1B32@checkpoint.com> <48902C53.5070506@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7891/Wed Jul 30 10:03:53 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Not a complaint X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:54 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> In testing on Sunday, I had more signal power in the Hotel Foyer area >>> with cgnat than >>> with ietf or ietf-a. Here in Ballroom 1 the power seems adequate in >>> both of those. BTW, >>> my box is green on www.sixxs.net. >> >> This is a product of the client's scanning implementation rapidly >> jumping through channels... >> > > Well, maybe so, but on Sunday in the foyer I had 1 bar and couldn't even > ssh to my servers on ietf or ietf-a, > while ietf-cgnat was fine in both power and connectivity. The two A only ssids are A-only and since it attenuates more dramatically than the 2.4ghz b/g channels I imagine there are a number of situations where the a/b/g/n ssids are more visible than the a/n only ssids. It's something of a rich target environment if you wander around with a snooper you'll some 600 discreet stations beaconed from 120 radios on 60 ap's. With the passing of most of the orinoco cards and the arrival of N in a big way we may have passed from one "interesting" set of client driver interaction issues to another. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 05:40:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A533A688B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312813A697D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xahR+9B3P-TU for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extu-mxob-1.symantec.com (extu-mxob-1.symantec.com [216.10.194.28]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB6D3A688B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com (tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com [192.168.214.43]) by extu-mxob-1.symantec.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UCf1li010259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:41:06 -0700 Received: from reserved-155-64-230-18.ges.symantec.com ([155.64.230.18] helo=TUS1XCHECNPIN01.enterprise.veritas.com) by tus1opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KOAz5-0001mQ-VI for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:51 -0700 Received: from TUS1XCHEVSPIN05.enterprise.veritas.com ([155.64.231.28]) by TUS1XCHECNPIN01.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:51 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: U2 Guided Van Tour - couple seats still available Thread-Index: AcjxfRBb0wszs+QmRyuRyI5AL5B/PgAw5UFw From: "Paul Sangster" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 12:40:51.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[805354C0:01C8F241] Subject: [72attendees] U2 Guided Van Tour - couple seats still available X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1922350763==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1922350763== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F241.65E59234" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F241.65E59234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a reminder about the U2 guided van tour scheduled for friday 2-6PM (see below). The group will be meeting at 1:50PM at the front door of the main hotel to board the van. There are 2 seats open at the moment, so if you'd like to participate please send me private e-mail ASAP while seats are available. =20 Paul ________________________________ From: Paul Sangster=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:15 AM To: '72attendees@ietf.org' Subject: U2 Tour? =09 =09 I'm looking for a few people to fill out a potential bus (mini-van) tour of the "historic" sites of Dublin's own irish rocker U2's past. This is a 4 hour guided tour with a local company visiting: where they grew up (not current homes), went to school, started the band, recording studios (where they are now recording the new album), and favorite hangouts. The price is 50EU per person and this includes a drink 2 hours into the tour. I believe if we do this, the van will pickup and drop off here at the Citywest hotel. I'm targetting 2PM on friday for the tour. =20 Please send me private e-mail if you are interested in participating. Please do not spam the alias with follow-ups. I can only accept a small number of folks so the first folks that commit to going get the seats. =20 Now back to discussions about poor networking and hot rooms :), =20 Paul ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F241.65E59234 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a reminder about the U2 guided van tour = scheduled=20 for friday 2-6PM (see below).  The group will be meeting at 1:50PM = at the=20 front door of the main hotel to board the van.  There are 2 seats = open at=20 the moment, so if you'd like to participate please send me private = e-mail ASAP=20 while seats are available.
 
Paul

From: Paul Sangster =
Sent: Tuesday,=20 July 29, 2008 6:15 AM
To: = '72attendees@ietf.org'
Subject:=20 U2 Tour?

I'm = looking for a=20 few people to fill out a potential bus (mini-van) tour of the = "historic" sites=20 of Dublin's own irish rocker U2's past.  This is a 4 = hour=20 guided tour with a local company visiting: where they grew = up (not=20 current homes), went to school, started the band, recording studios = (where=20 they are now recording the new album), and favorite hangouts.  = The price=20 is 50EU per person and this includes a drink 2 hours into the = tour.  I=20 believe if we do this, the van will pickup and drop off here at the = Citywest=20 hotel.  I'm targetting 2PM on friday for the = tour.
 
Please send me=20 private e-mail if you are interested in participating.  Please do = not=20 spam the alias with follow-ups.  I can only accept a small number = of=20 folks so the first folks that commit to going get the=20 seats.
 
Now = back to=20 discussions about poor networking and hot rooms = :),
 
Paul
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F241.65E59234-- --===============1922350763== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1922350763==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:18:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E6B28C2A7; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAEE3A6A70 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3Y9nuRAv6Cn for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F226728C2A7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.238] ([130.129.19.238]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UDJ6gr016264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Henning Schulzrinne To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:19:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 128.59.29.5 Subject: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm on a 10.30 flight on Saturday, so I'm interested in sharing a taxi leaving around 7.30 to 8.30. (Maybe we should use doodle.ch for this type of coordination?) Henning _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:22:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC9028C2A7; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3C43A6A70 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMP-q1bTl23e for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from M4.sparta.com (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472273A6C0B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m6UDMpx3021734 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:22:51 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UDMpdB004030 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:22:51 -0500 Received: from localhost ([130.129.22.74]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:22:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:22:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Sandra Murphy To: 72whiners <72attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> Message-ID: References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> X-X-Sender: sandy@nemo.columbia.sparta.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 13:22:51.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DD35570:01C8F247] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [72attendees] counting listeners X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Not that I'm ungrateful to the UOregon group for providing us with audio streaming and archiving. But. I've been hoping to compare the audio archive of Monday's meetings to my notes before I send the minutes I promised to the wg chair. And so far the link at the bottom of http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ to http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf72/ shows only a "Parent Directory" link. Will the archives be available soon? (Whine, whine, whine.) (Never give them new features, you just give them more to complain about.) --Sandy On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Aaron Falk wrote: >> Joel- >> >> Is there a way to see if there are any listeners to the live audio stream >> from a wg/rg? Are there real-time statistics available for the streams? > > In real time you can go to > > http://limestone.uoregon.edu:8001 > > and icecast2 will report current streams available and participant counts > including a peak that's measured since the establishment of the current > incoming tcp stream for that source (generally once a day sometimes more > often). > > icecast2 stats are collected, we can crunch them post-facto > >> --aaron >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:23:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F4F3A68B6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8753A6A70 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xbPFFzOK4yRO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C193A68B6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12295099; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:24:09 -0400 Message-Id: <715513B7-EFC0-4DEC-B18D-0F743B436783@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Henning Schulzrinne In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:24:07 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have a 9:40 AM flight Saturday, so I am interested in a taxi around 7:00 or a little later. Regards Marshall On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > I'm on a 10.30 flight on Saturday, so I'm interested in sharing a > taxi leaving around 7.30 to 8.30. (Maybe we should use doodle.ch for > this type of coordination?) > > Henning > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:25:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D29C3A68B6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E501D3A68B6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0CFVJEQCQN55 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9DF3A68A2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,279,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="133491828" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 13:25:42 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6UDPgeG014447; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:25:42 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UDPfBj022205; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:25:41 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: dcrocker@bbiw.net In-Reply-To: <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> Message-ID: References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=709; t=1217424342; x=1218288342; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Clarifying=20Host=20Res ponsibilities=20(was=20Re=3A=20Guestroom=0A=20Network=20not= 20under=20NOC=20Control) |Sender:=20; bh=tCnMl2AVRbpr5Xy0BHPUPylBBnhGJb3de01PrSRCikQ=; b=oQQhId6x6ne67GHIBouO2ihe4ZYX9tklxJKFqoLvpEWIdjWEiTBi7/P041 ykTjsQOgsjnBHfvyZoaW0shX499kgt7WGv0bJm+6azC91FApQWfbXOHnxjby U4yXwdojn3; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dave, De-coupling the two issues is a fine idea on paper and in my experience almost unworkable in practice. Hosts DO want some say in where we meet and they DO want to be near a place where they can provide "local" support (if only from a remote office). I would be wonderful if we had a pool of money from lots of vendors that simply took care of all costs and logistics and we then just get to pick the venue. Oh, wait, there is such a pool, it's called "Organizational Membership in ISOC". Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:30:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605F93A69F7; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC03C3A6AF5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CUhEKd4OjHTc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C3A3A69F7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UDTeb6097709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:29:48 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48906CC3.40702@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:29:39 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandra Murphy References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7891/Wed Jul 30 10:03:53 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72whiners <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] counting listeners X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Sandra Murphy wrote: > > Not that I'm ungrateful to the UOregon group for providing us with audio > streaming and archiving. > > But. > > I've been hoping to compare the audio archive of Monday's meetings to my > notes before I send the minutes I promised to the wg chair. And so far > the link at the bottom of http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ to > http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf72/ shows only a > "Parent Directory" link. > > Will the archives be available soon? (Whine, whine, whine.) (Never > give them new features, you just give them more to complain about.) I have been lax in modifying the rsync for the recorded files. This evening I hope. > --Sandy > > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> Aaron Falk wrote: >>> Joel- >>> >>> Is there a way to see if there are any listeners to the live audio >>> stream from a wg/rg? Are there real-time statistics available for >>> the streams? >> >> In real time you can go to >> >> http://limestone.uoregon.edu:8001 >> >> and icecast2 will report current streams available and participant >> counts including a peak that's measured since the establishment of the >> current incoming tcp stream for that source (generally once a day >> sometimes more often). >> >> icecast2 stats are collected, we can crunch them post-facto >> >>> --aaron >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:30:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76863A68A2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD633A6B7F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jyzzuo+G2Fei for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (smtp.microsoft.com [131.107.115.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5F33A6B48 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tk5-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.88.97) by TK5-EXGWY-E802.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.251.2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:27 -0700 Received: from NA-EXMSG-C102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.110.49]) by tk5-exhub-c104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.88.97]) with mapi; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:26 -0700 From: Yu-Shun Wang To: Marshall Eubanks , Henning Schulzrinne Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:30:22 -0700 Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish Thread-Index: AcjyR5owxe4J5TENQRGknfDHRYy0KwAAGluw Message-ID: <43AEA9A9F7768B42A89F554F0EBF7ED828B7E525B8@NA-EXMSG-C102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <715513B7-EFC0-4DEC-B18D-0F743B436783@multicasttech.com> In-Reply-To: <715513B7-EFC0-4DEC-B18D-0F743B436783@multicasttech.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org My flight is at 11AM on Saturday, so around 8AM works for me. Regards, yushun > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Eubanks > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish > > I have a 9:40 AM flight Saturday, so I am interested in a taxi around > 7:00 or a little later. > > Regards > Marshall > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > > > I'm on a 10.30 flight on Saturday, so I'm interested in sharing a > > taxi leaving around 7.30 to 8.30. (Maybe we should use doodle.ch for > > this type of coordination?) > > > > Henning > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:35:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F93A69F7; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665BD3A68A2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lAgr12hggeso for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F0928C32F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.238] ([130.129.19.238]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6UDZ0fT020082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Henning Schulzrinne To: "Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO" In-Reply-To: <486F0AF123B43240BE96493F2B1AB0CB0338D3CB@RSRCNEX01CN1.rsrc.osd.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:35:00 -0400 References: <486F0AF123B43240BE96493F2B1AB0CB0338D3CB@RSRCNEX01CN1.rsrc.osd.mil> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 128.59.29.5 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, tme@multicasttech.com Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for the warning. However, would this apply on a Saturday morning? On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO wrote: > Last Saturday our taxi driver from the airport to the City West > warned us about the long lead times back to the airport. He advised > that due to the terrible traffic jams you need to allocate at least > one and one-half hours to get to the airport. He indicated that he > had taken many passengers that had missed their planes cause they > cut it too close. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:38:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9CD3A6AC0; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DD23A69F7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3tEQIndR7jZa for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59483A6820 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sm-PC.elandsys.com ([130.129.65.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UDcS0G023235 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:38:34 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=elandsys.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=OAVja9v8yOPnVsrDvlHmUXikOOC6f0j0EEwIu9go7RaS2nxBxSSxX+HtM0BFQ03Nb KU9KVB/CfbOGorw0TNC0vM7v2bXjjWUY5zXbQDnzv/AAJRTjlOAMwW7USv2M1qqxu2A Vg/qGUw1kgrrkrWqyryORw3M05pHEKDn4aloSUg= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20080730062938.0452bc98@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:37:49 -0700 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] First-time attendees to the IETF X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello, A few first-time attendees to the IETF are going out to Dublin tonight. We will be meeting at 8:00 p.m. in the lobby. If any first-time attendees wish to join us, please email me off-list. Regards, -sm _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:41:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8282D3A69D6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67D73A6946 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRw86iRtNDbm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.nist.gov (rimp2.nist.gov [129.6.16.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210E73A68ED for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from real2.localdomain ([192.168.2.11]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UDf4Qv028620 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:41:04 -0400 Received: from real2.localdomain (real2.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by real2.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m6UDfXOI030651 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:41:33 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by real2.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id m6UDfX7H030649 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:41:33 -0400 Received: from 130.129.18.160 ([130.129.18.160]) by webmail.nist.gov (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:41:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1217425293.48906f8db927b@webmail.nist.gov> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:41:33 -0400 From: Sheila Frankel To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <486F0AF123B43240BE96493F2B1AB0CB0338D3CB@RSRCNEX01CN1.rsrc.osd.mil> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 130.129.18.160 X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: sheila.frankel@nist.gov Subject: [72attendees] Friday morning early-risers taxi to Dublin airport X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Anyone interested in sharing a cab to the airport Friday morning, either 6 or 6:30 AM? _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:45:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B213A69F3; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709F3A68C1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qFlee103pEM for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381083A686C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,279,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="70462409" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 13:45:31 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6UDjTg3010252; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:45:29 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UDjPfw007400; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:45:29 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:25 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <48907073.8000903@employees.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:45:23 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henning Schulzrinne References: <486F0AF123B43240BE96493F2B1AB0CB0338D3CB@RSRCNEX01CN1.rsrc.osd.mil> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 13:45:24.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[848DDB10:01C8F24A] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, tme@multicasttech.com, "Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO" Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/30/08 2:35 PM, Henning Schulzrinne allegedly wrote: > Thanks for the warning. However, would this apply on a Saturday morning? It's a bank holiday on Monday and I was also warned that airports will be jammed this weekend. > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO wrote: > >> Last Saturday our taxi driver from the airport to the City West warned >> us about the long lead times back to the airport. He advised that due >> to the terrible traffic jams you need to allocate at least one and >> one-half hours to get to the airport. He indicated that he had taken >> many passengers that had missed their planes cause they cut it too close. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:00:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEF63A695D; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021343A69B3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sjgv3h4Emwhh for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-in03.nouzelle.com (mx-in01.nouzelle.com [87.119.194.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198833A695D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (internal02.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E812840B5CB; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6375C2AC537; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:01:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id qDD23IsKox9j; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:00:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ArnoudMobile (vpn21.witopia.net [38.119.114.41]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7A02AC53C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:00:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Scott Brim'" , "'Henning Schulzrinne'" References: <486F0AF123B43240BE96493F2B1AB0CB0338D3CB@RSRCNEX01CN1.rsrc.osd.mil> <48907073.8000903@employees.org> In-Reply-To: <48907073.8000903@employees.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:01:00 +0100 Message-ID: <00a901c8f24c$b496ff10$1dc4fd30$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjySpYcTTTIqNhyQgqZIrl+Kqi3WQAAgnmg Content-Language: nl Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, tme@multicasttech.com, "'Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO'" Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for the info. I had no idea. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scott Brim Sent: woensdag 30 juli 2008 14:45 To: Henning Schulzrinne Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org; tme@multicasttech.com; Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO Subject: Re: [72attendees] Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday 8ish On 7/30/08 2:35 PM, Henning Schulzrinne allegedly wrote: > Thanks for the warning. However, would this apply on a Saturday morning? It's a bank holiday on Monday and I was also warned that airports will be jammed this weekend. > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bloom, Leslie Mr NII/DoD-CIO wrote: > >> Last Saturday our taxi driver from the airport to the City West warned >> us about the long lead times back to the airport. He advised that due >> to the terrible traffic jams you need to allocate at least one and >> one-half hours to get to the airport. He indicated that he had taken >> many passengers that had missed their planes cause they cut it too close. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:03:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE6628C2D6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A1E28C2D6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5m3Q0rLhwDL7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81A428C22D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6UE3LOB027347; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:03:42 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:03:12 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:03:11 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:03:10 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946740696F@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure Thread-Index: AcjyPHWhAF/aV+xgREG93gOEIUVvsAADwTew References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> From: To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 14:03:11.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[009D6DE0:01C8F24D] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [intentionally provocative response below] J=E1nos, I was wondering what it is, too. >From the invitation I understood it goes on paper. For some reason which I = do not quite understand (we should be preserving the environment instead of= chopping wood for such reason). The thing is that 'they' never provide proper description in the invitation= , so I guess it's a private club for those who know, or those who dare. My - probably non-sense - guess is that it works like a lottery; you pick s= omeone's name from Santa's hat and you get to sign a message together. Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of ext Mohacsi Janos Sent: 30 July, 2008 15:04 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure Dear All, Are there any procedural information available about the PGP keysigning = session this afternoon? Janos Mohacsi Network Engineer, Research Associate, Head of Network Planning and Projects= NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUNGARY Key 70EF9882: DEC2 C685 1ED4 C95A 145F 4300 6F64 = 7B00 70EF 9882 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:18:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821FF28C329; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A563A6B76 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.885 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.885 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.714, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kJGeHgf4iDH for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.245.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102EA3A686C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1217427469!25241628!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 12213 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 14:17:50 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-7.tower-121.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 14:17:50 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UEHnQ9024407 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:17:49 -0700 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UEHh6M024342 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:17:44 -0700 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UEHheM008416 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6UEHcDe008335 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:17:38 -0500 Received: from [135.210.113.96] (unknown[135.210.113.96](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20080730141737gw1003snl6e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:17:37 +0000 Message-ID: <48907800.2000407@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:17:36 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Subject: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Is there anyone swimming in a 2XL ietf shirt that would be willing to swap for an XL? The timing was rotten yesterday for me to get there to try to get a 2XL. Tony Hansen _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:18:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D9828C368; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C752628C363 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pv0UpQRBGXtc for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ki.iif.hu (mail.ki.iif.hu [IPv6:2001:738:0:411::241]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57B93A6B76 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C642984790; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:18:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mignon.ki.iif.hu Received: from mail.ki.iif.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mignon.ki.iif.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2GxfXHATFM3e; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix, from userid 9002) id 90D4284B23; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ki.iif.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3928498E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:18:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Mohacsi Janos X-X-Sender: mohacsi@mignon.ki.iif.hu To: "Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com" In-Reply-To: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946740696F@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> Message-ID: <20080730161639.F85867@mignon.ki.iif.hu> References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946740696F@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-546800184-1217427497=:85867" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-546800184-1217427497=:85867 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote: > [intentionally provocative response below] > J=E1nos, > I was wondering what it is, too. > From the invitation I understood it goes on paper. For some reason which= =20 > I do not quite understand (we should be preserving the environment=20 > instead of chopping wood for such reason). > > The thing is that 'they' never provide proper description in the=20 > invitation, so I guess it's a private club for those who know, or those= =20 > who dare. > > My - probably non-sense - guess is that it works like a lottery; you=20 > pick someone's name from Santa's hat and you get to sign a message=20 > together. In a proper PGP keysigning you check the id card also.... Regards, Janos Mohacsi Network Engineer, Research Associate, Head of Network Planning and Projects NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUNGARY Key 70EF9882: DEC2 C685 1ED4 C95A 145F 4300 6F64 7B00 70EF 9882 > > Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh > E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com > Phone: +358 50 386 0566 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Mohacsi Janos > Sent: 30 July, 2008 15:04 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure > > Dear All, > =09Are there any procedural information available about the PGP keysigni= ng session this afternoon? > > Janos Mohacsi > Network Engineer, Research Associate, Head of Network Planning and Projec= ts NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUNGARY Key 70EF9882: DEC2 C685 1ED4 C95A 145F 4300 6F6= 4 7B00 70EF 9882 _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > --0-546800184-1217427497=:85867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --0-546800184-1217427497=:85867-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:26:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E453A6B76; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51573A6ABD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ed4rLWnt3xC6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1587; t=1217427946; x=1218291946; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=kehong@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Kenny=20Hong=20(kehong)=22=20 |Subject:=20FW=3A=20[72onsite]=20Bus=20to=20Airport=20on=20 Friday=20&=20Saturday |Sender:=20; bh=iQuQFloukZbOl9QsSIAyDeHNIkI1nFUTWV82WYpUPV4=; b=kuLJBWUOPFvRYTRYxquVsGNSCr79qyuic0D7CMvKWwmWEH1+H6Qhlo7sLa Wz57rPclefxF5eeRPAwLnw9ag/zc5TA63jOYbn7v8MJU+Xa5J48UgvnWc3Ef F/DFp0A37W; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=kehong@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] FW: [72onsite] Bus to Airport on Friday & Saturday X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----Original Message----- From: 72onsite-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72onsite-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexa Morris Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:12 AM To: 72onsite@ietf.org Subject: [72onsite] Bus to Airport on Friday & Saturday In cooperation with the hotel, we have arranged for bus transport to the airport on both Friday and Saturday. The preliminary schedule has a bus leaving every two hours throughout the day. Cost is 10 euros per person -- cash only -- and a receipt will be provided. We need to know how many of you will want to use this service, and at what times. Please complete the poll found at http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=7u9339g7shpigga5 so that we can schedule the buses accordingly. Please do not respond to this email directly, as your information will not be entered into the poll. We will finalize the bus schedule based on responses to the poll. Please note that if there are not enough people signed up for a timeslot we may eliminate that particular bus. The final schedule will be announced via this mailing list. Regards, Alexa ----------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ 72onsite mailing list 72onsite@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72onsite _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:26:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B289C3A6BC9; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF8D3A69B3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rkqkAbfQ--rO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C073A695D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so19117ywj.49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=v8sESCTREmec2cQSuK3tQhkqNFfbOw8V2hic0vcUibs=; b=Rh4DO/C5OhQ6w0dlQCwdk20ovqgauIu0Q3joylmnKBfS443Hsc91bjEj1NiNySoL6A IyWEpNQ0C5DTKoCj1bSBjE26Cr+EDFR9HsoZvarFMnK35X9evEUOkwh2WyVbVW3ylab1 saHgGinhLvt/3GiKMpZ1wdjh+uT+QDHAK8c6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BeP3x9n9zSFR7dyA/KnvrRnYl1BHWsQuNiOZKjFAgMPd1hE3pc2NPXCft9VAkPJVJE hk1FVHTDGq3weEi1/+D6CGYmV2LFYgn8bzf7SRRhTYasnMCiimlVh/UIX5UW6oTPUr0k LGEC5F2aQCBHLKk2g3bgv5iP6JVX2GNOtUPJ8= Received: by 10.141.169.11 with SMTP id w11mr4324785rvo.76.1217427896120; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.51.11 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7ad6d6db0807300724m5c1c76eav501d13edc706f24d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:24:56 +0200 From: "Julien Laganier" To: 72attendees@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [72attendees] Swapping L t-shirt for M? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0573544046==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0573544046== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41832_972289.1217427896087" ------=_Part_41832_972289.1217427896087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Folks, Sorry for the noise, but in case anyone is stretched in his t-shirt, I'm willing to swap with the one in which I'm swimming. Please unicast me. --julien ------=_Part_41832_972289.1217427896087 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Folks,

Sorry for the noise, but in case anyone is stretched in his t-shirt, I'm willing to swap with the one in which I'm swimming.

Please unicast me.

--julien
------=_Part_41832_972289.1217427896087-- --===============0573544046== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0573544046==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:51:51 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBB43A6BF2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4941D3A6BF2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.162, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGUTMN5NAh8h for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8AD3A6B7F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UEppee019750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:53 -0700 Message-ID: <48908006.4040909@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:51:50 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole Jacobsen wrote: > And we also have consistent history which says that a hosted meeting > is much easier on everyone involved (except the host :-) and that First, we have very, very little experience with meetings that do not have a "local" host. So that making generalizations like this is pretty risky. Second, my recollection of the one or two meetings we've had without hosts was that they went well. > hosts typically want some say in where the meeting is held. If your > headquarters is in say, Philadelphia, you can recruit a lot of > "volunteers" and run back to the office and borrow a printer, hub, > switch, paper ream, or what have you. And a new venue requires lots of additional volunteers, in order to figure out the new things and fix the new problems. > This works well, and while I agree that having a few "hub" locations > would be good, I also know that it isn't easy to find a willing host > for a "repeating" location. That's based on the idea that the 'host' needs to be associated with the venue. They don't. DE-COUPLE THE TWO ISSUES. (A side-benefit is that this makes it plausible to have multiple hosts for the event, with each able to pay a smaller amount...) > The new location syndrome also has good sides such as permitting more > participants from a given local region. That was important in the mid-90s. It isn't any more, in terms of getting IETF work done. The core question that was put forward during one of these discussions -- by Fred Baker while he was Chair, I think -- was: What helps get IETF work done? I think that's the right question. A venue that is remote, expensive, unreliable, or otherwise problematic does not help the IETF do its work. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 07:51:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60A328C329; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E9E28C329 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxBj2uJpGT+L for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ECA28C324 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UEq4fS019767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:07 -0700 Message-ID: <48908015.20206@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:52:05 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole, This script that you and I are following has become a cliche. To break out of it and conduct serious discussion, we need to think harder about underlying assumptions, as well as treating asserted data with some skepticism. Ole Jacobsen wrote: > De-coupling the two issues is a fine idea on paper and in my > experience almost unworkable in practice. Hosts DO want some > say in where we meet and they DO want to be near a place where > they can provide "local" support (if only from a remote office). 1. You are quite wrong. Most conferences, association meetings, and the like, choose a venue independent of sponsorship. Hence sponsorship is about sponsoring, not about doing the grunt work. Long ago, we developed a meeting model based on some coupling of roles and services, which are so entrenched any attempt to suggest changing it gets responses that are firm, reflexive and not supported by the facts. Responding rigidly and defensively is not a good way to pursue necessary changes. It is a good way to ensure that persistent problems persist. 2. The IETF insists on a model that performs what it claims is an optimization when a) it's highly local while ignoring larger inefficiencies, and b) probably isn't all that optimal locally. When looking at persistent problems, improvement is never achieved by starting to defend core assumptions that are, in fact, the primary reasons for the problem. By insisting that the IETF start with choosing a host, most of our meeting venue problems ensue. It ensures all of the instabilities we repeatedly experience. It ensures hidden costs -- thereby making claims of reduced cost, by virtue of having hosts perform tasks off the IETF's books -- that offset supposed savings. Note, for example, the substantially higher cost of taxis because the Dublin facility is so remote. While taxi cost might seem a silly, small point, it becomes a large one when applied to the entire population of attendees, as well as applied repeatedly if attendees want to get elsewhere. (Yes, the added bus service helps, but not enough.) When this core error is highlighted, we always get series of tautological arguments attempting to assert that the error is required. It isn't. There is more than sufficient experience in the rest of the world to show that the error need not be made. > I would be wonderful if we had a pool of money from lots of > vendors that simply took care of all costs and logistics and > we then just get to pick the venue. Oh, wait, there is such > a pool, it's called "Organizational Membership in ISOC". Again, the IETF walked down a path that created a strategic problem and would rather continue an operational mode that ensure significant IETF meeting problems periodically, rather than fix the underlying problem. In this case, I think that trade association funding details could be relevant: They have both "membership" and "sponsorship" and it works fine. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:33:42 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C854A3A6BE4; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06CB3A6BE4 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ysxNeGCLx7fR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FED3A6903 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6UFXSDm003593; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:33:29 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:33:20 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:33:10 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:33:09 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <48907800.2000407@att.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL Thread-Index: AcjyTyHzxAkvT+IYRx6Q5xkIhHqEbgACljAQ References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> From: To: , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 15:33:10.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[927E9700:01C8F259] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org It is interesting that these are the sizes that run out first during every = meeting, yet no attempt has been made to improve the situation. = Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of ext Tony Hansen Sent: 30 July, 2008 17:18 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL Is there anyone swimming in a 2XL ietf shirt that would be willing to swap = for an XL? The timing was rotten yesterday for me to get there to try to get a 2XL. Tony Hansen _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:38:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AC63A694D; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32F43A694D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r6+7jNeLPTEF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E093A6946 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from [127.0.0.1] (maildrop [134.102.201.19]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UFcPre013486; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <4BA5ED32-9E6D-4E6C-8A8D-84EDCD36F1B2@tzi.org> From: Carsten Bormann To: In-Reply-To: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:38:25 +0100 References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org All self-respecting geek conferences have a way to enter a t-shirt size specification on the registration website. Of course, I don't know if the distribution is then skewed with the on- sites. Gruesse, Carsten _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:46:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED353A6C29; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B90228C11E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pPm5eyh9Ga3Q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4453A6BFD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,279,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="70521473" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 15:46:36 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6UFkXih009961; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:46:33 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UFkXYW026922; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:46:33 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Dave Crocker In-Reply-To: <48907F57.5090308@bbiw.net> Message-ID: References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> <48907F57.5090308@bbiw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1893; t=1217432793; x=1218296793; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Clarifying=20Host=20Res ponsibilities=20(was=20Re=3A=20Guestroom=0A=20Network=20not= 20under=20NOC=20Control) |Sender:=20; bh=1OALznJgVhLAtOO6sc9vF5A4lxrcvc+qDC3Cx9egoxw=; b=a1GPPw9/iP3MXF6UvasMXx3IfU1a4ErngpZdM9dfzriNlvoTi0IqHA4Bme A9qgDLx3beHnzyY8MAn4i17Z96kZOEOF51YHMs+vm/JaSHmdVT62VJ8NpagW +xARuIWuNj; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Dave Crocker wrote: > Ole, > > This script that you and I are following has become a cliche. To break out > of it and conduct serious discussion, we need to think harder about underlying > assumptions, as well as treating asserted data with some skepticism. > > > Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > De-coupling the two issues is a fine idea on paper and in my experience > > almost unworkable in practice. Hosts DO want some > > say in where we meet and they DO want to be near a place where > > they can provide "local" support (if only from a remote office). > > > 1. You are quite wrong. Most conferences, association meetings, and > the like, choose a venue independent of sponsorship. Hence > sponsorship is about sponsoring, not about doing the grunt work. > Long ago, we developed a meeting model based on some coupling of > roles and services, which are so entrenched any attempt to > suggest changing it gets responses that are firm, reflexive and > not supported by the facts. Responding rigidly and defensively > is not a good way to pursue necessary changes. It is a good way > to ensure that persistent problems persist. Actually, it is you that is wrong. We HAVE a model which DOES allow a so-called turn-key solution where the sponsor(s) have no other role than paying the bills and do not have any say in the selection of venue. The FACT is that VERY few sponsors opt for this model, preferring instead the other model. We could of course completely OUTLAW this option, and insist on only offering the turnkey solution. THAT is a discussion worth having, as is the idea of a fund with enough money in it to fund the IETF forever, i.e., ask for a reasonably large chunk of cash from a number of sources ONCE to get the fund going. Ole (speaking for myself and not the IAOC). _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:48:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F00C28C2DE; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57103A6BFD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0YKKqWy3fvX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1151; t=1217432901; x=1218296901; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mmcbride@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Mike=20McBride=20(mmcbride)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20anyone=20want=20to=20sw ap=20a=202XL=20shirt=20for=20an=20XL |Sender:=20; bh=y1pp9sGUCiKdyiFPHL2s9skA+6j2EVZraYGCDhDWqNI=; b=P6anNQ+ceNdFdpCvOtgayeqT1bfG/ZsJ4aJuxBZ05JZ86ZIhSzB9/hEI7j h+NARd/jRyS9YpkWbwGD+F6QeG6d/I1jfVii9q6AIlO2qAezKDcC4N+xQcRx iWlgICDkoa; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=mmcbride@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > It is interesting that these are the sizes that run out first = > during every meeting, yet no attempt has been made to improve = > the situation. = It's a subtle hint that we all need to cut down on the donuts and beer. mike > = > Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh > E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com > Phone: +358 50 386 0566 > = > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Tony Hansen > Sent: 30 July, 2008 17:18 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL > = > Is there anyone swimming in a 2XL ietf shirt that would be = > willing to swap for an XL? > The timing was rotten yesterday for me to get there to try to = > get a 2XL. > = > Tony Hansen > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 08:51:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D28D3A6AC0; 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boundary="===============0300296317==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0300296317== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Kkj0VKkmDD8s8Eff7QAmjg)" --Boundary_(ID_Kkj0VKkmDD8s8Eff7QAmjg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Does anybody have one ticket available for the social event tonight? ____________________________ Antonio G. Ruzzelli, MEng, PhD University College Dublin, http://csserver.ucd.ie/~aruzzelli/ Tel: +353-17162488 On 29 Jul 2008, at 14:34, Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD wrote: > 2008/7/29 David Sinicrope : >> Hi, >> The Social Event web page says: >> "Transportation, including a number of double-decker buses will be= =20 >> provided >> from citywest to the Storehouse and back again at the end of the = =20 >> evening. >> Arrival and departures will be staggered to allow people =20 >> flexibility on >> when they want to arrive or leave." >> >> Is there a schedule? Will the buses leave at regular intervals? = =20 >> Or will >> they come and go as they fill up? Will there be buses running = =20 >> back to City >> West before 11:30pm? (e.g., if some of us need to get back by 11pm= ) > > According to paper I have seen, they will leave as they fill up. Y= ou > can always use > Dublin Bus 69 from Aston Quay > (http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=3D69) > to get back - costs 2 EUR, approx travel time - ~35-40min (night = =20 > times). > > --=20 > Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD > technick=C3=BD =C5=99editel/Chief Technical Officer > ----------------------------------------- > CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry > Americk=C3=A1 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic > mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ > sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 > mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 > ----------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --Boundary_(ID_Kkj0VKkmDD8s8Eff7QAmjg) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Does anybody have one ticket available for the social event tonight?<= br>
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Antonio G. Ruzzelli, MEng, PhD
University College Dublin,
Tel: +353-17162488




On 29 Jul 2008, at= 14:34, Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD wrote:

2008/7/29= David Sinicrope <= david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>:
Hi,
The Social Event web= page says:
"Transportation, including a nu= mber of double-decker buses will be provided
=C2=A0Arrival and departures will be staggered to allow peop= le flexibility on
when they want to arrive = or leave."

Is there a schedule?=C2=A0 Will the buses leave at regular intervals? Or wil= l
they come and go as they fill up?=C2=A0 Will there be buses runni= ng back to City
West before 11:30pm? (e.g.,= if some of us need to get back by 11pm)

Accordin= g to paper I have seen, they will leave as they fill up.=C2=A0 You
Dublin Bus 69 from Aston Q= uay
to get back - c= osts 2 EUR, approx travel time - ~35-40min (night times).

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=C2=A0technick=C3=BD =C5=99editel/Chief Technical Officer=
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=C2=A0CZ.NIC= , z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry
=C2=A0Americk=C3=A1 23,120 00 Pra= ha 2,Czech Republic
=C2=A0mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.2= 22745112
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--Boundary_(ID_Kkj0VKkmDD8s8Eff7QAmjg)-- --===============0300296317== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0300296317==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:24 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD61C3A6BE4; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFB23A6923 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qRuEGKnLzJZ6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388C33A6883 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vnzn1Z0020b6N64A3sdnTw; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:37:47 +0000 Received: from MIKES-LAPTOM.comcast.net ([130.129.21.181]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vsdc1Z00K3uRCeS8PsdfLl; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:37:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gvpqoFZv0lXuX71QEl4A:9 a=TbVnvxXdGV9RaHcM5S0A:9 a=9clq3bWv1IUcjNanjIAA:7 a=2w-qPW4axvpB03IUYIVVN6LAkn4A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:37:37 -0400 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Michael StJohns Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080729163735.388C33A6883@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:22 -0700 Subject: [72attendees] Bus service kudos X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Three of us took the IETF bus in last night for dinner. Worked like a charm. We took the 5pm bus in, got to Trinity College at 5:30, walked a few blocks to the restaurant, had a nice 2 hour meal, walked back to the bus, and picked up the 8pm back to the hotel. Much nicer than dealing with taxis, and the local bus service and quite handy. This put paid to a lot of my feelings of geographic isolation and I urge those feeling IETF cabin fever take advantage of the service. Mike _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF173A6C0A; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811293A6AC5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.02 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_EQ_STATICB=1.372] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pBEMFXUphKfX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tndh.net (static-66-15-163-216.bdsl.verizon.net [66.15.163.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2787D3A68C8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle (192.168.123.10:1832) by tndh.net with [XMail 1.17 (Win32/Ix86) ESMTP Server] id for <72attendees@ietf.org> from ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:53:19 -0700 From: "Tony Hain" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <488E1004.6070105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:53:09 +0100 Message-ID: <02a101c8f1d6$41859cf0$c490d6d0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjw3+DN8lA7VFU+SnCUXW2xgoHzkwAdEnGgAB/OkGA= Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] [Fwd: Re: Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network] X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: alh-ietf@tndh.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Well the hotel network has broken down for me. The Vista host has had open connections for several hours that are still live, so the system is acting like a pool has exhausted somewhere. Both the FreeBSD and XP virtual machines are getting an address, but can't traceroute past 2 hops (necessary to get to the DNS server). traceroute to 159.134.237.6 (159.134.237.6), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 172.17.6.1 4.746 ms 6.370 ms 7.807 ms 2 172.16.110.1 4.867 ms 6.002 ms 6.530 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * According to the Vista host, the traceroute to the DNS server is: C:\>tracert -d 159.134.237.6 Tracing route to 159.134.237.6 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 3 ms 5 ms 15 ms 172.17.6.1 2 3 ms 4 ms 4 ms 172.16.110.1 3 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.10.10.254 4 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 130.129.64.2 5 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 86.43.238.9 6 2 ms 3 ms 4 ms 159.134.237.6 So we are being double nat'd behind both 172.16.. & 10... space. This would be consistent with the claims about unexpected connection behavior, and a sign of the times ahead as the crowd clamors for carrier based nats ... Tony > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Update on the Hotel's Guestroom Network > > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:55:33 -0400 > > From: Derek Atkins > > To: David Mitton > > CC: 72attendees@ietf.org, LANGE Andrew > lucent.com> > > References: > > > <66F9363AB70F764C96547BD8A0A3679E154B7E@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> > > <20080728174347.DD7D4257495@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> > > > > What I've just noticed about the HOTEL NAT configuration is that > every > > TCP connection gets a different IP address. There's no consistency, > > and > > certainly no long-term bindings. So every time you hit an HTTP > server > > you're hitting it from a different source IP. This is wreaking > havoc > > on my ability to read webmail because every time my source IP changes > I > > get logged out! I suspect that your UDP VPN solution is being hit > with > > the same problem. > > > > -derek > > > > David Mitton wrote: > > > In my room 38xx, I am currently unable to setup a UDP VPN > connection > > to > > > the US (so called UDP-10000 mode). The connection is setup but I > > > receive 0 packets > > > > > > But I was successful when I switched to using TCP, port 4005. I'm > > using > > > a Cisco VPN client. > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > At 7/28/2008 10:40 AM, LANGE Andrew wrote: > > >> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > > >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > >> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F0BF.DCD9D701" > > >> > > >> > > >> Because the heavy load on the guest room network is interacting > > >> negatively with the delivery of video over IP to the TVs in the > > rooms. > > >> Certainly CityWest has never experienced traffic loads like we're > > >> generating from the guest room side, and we're likely uncovering > > some > > >> issues in the underlying guest room infrastructure. > > >> > > >> The hotel staff has been working this issue since early this > > morning, > > >> and they believe that they have fixed the underlying issue causing > > >> congestion and poor TV performance. We have lifted the rate-limit > > on > > >> the router ports facing the guestroom network. > > >> > > >> There has also been a fix put in place on the guestroom network > that > > >> was affecting some PPTP users in their rooms. > > >> > > >> Both the wireless and terminal room networks, are directly over > our > > >> infrastructure and are unaffected by these issues with the > guestroom > > side. > > >> > > >> Andrew > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> 72attendees mailing list > > >> 72attendees@ietf.org > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > --- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 72attendees mailing list > > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > > -- > > Derek Atkins > > Principal Software Engineer > > > > PGP Corporation > > 4 Farragut Ave > > Somerville, MA 02144 > > > > +1 617 623 3745 | warlord@pgp.com > > > > PGP Corporation -- Rest Secured.(TM) > > > > PGP Fingerprint: > > 0FEE 5EA1 FF22 E0C9 4FFE > > 631A 9232 FF93 1C80 1DB7 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07583A6979; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D389628C1B0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xWrv8PDXPOdu for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D5B28C1A9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UCO6oE006634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:24:05 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:22 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole Jacobsen wrote: > And we also have consistent history which says that a hosted meeting > is much easier on everyone involved (except the host :-) and that First, we have very, very little experience with meetings that do not have a "local" host. So that making generalizations like this is pretty risky. Second, my recollection of the one or two meetings we've had without hosts was that they went well. > hosts typically want some say in where the meeting is held. If your > headquarters is in say, Philadelphia, you can recruit a lot of > "volunteers" and run back to the office and borrow a printer, hub, > switch, paper ream, or what have you. And a new venue requires lots of additional volunteers, in order to figure out the new things and fix the new problems. > This works well, and while I agree that having a few "hub" locations > would be good, I also know that it isn't easy to find a willing host > for a "repeating" location. That's based on the idea that the 'host' needs to be associated with the venue. They don't. DE-COUPLE THE TWO ISSUES. (A side-benefit is that this makes it plausible to have multiple hosts for the event, with each able to pay a smaller amount...) > The new location syndrome also has good sides such as permitting more > participants from a given local region. That was important in the mid-90s. It isn't any more, in terms of getting IETF work done. The core question that was put forward during one of these discussions -- by Fred Baker while he was Chair, I think -- was: What helps get IETF work done? I think that's the right question. A venue that is remote, expensive, unreliable, or otherwise problematic does not help the IETF do its work. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612F93A6C21; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F013F3A6A70 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4KpuWSgx1j0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA013A68B6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6UDMYZ5013249; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:22:40 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:22:34 +0300 Received: from dhcp-130-129-18-47.meeting.ietf.org ([10.241.58.25]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:22:27 +0300 Received: from dhcp-130-129-18-47.meeting.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp-130-129-18-47.meeting.ietf.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UDMLSb006857; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:21 -0700 Received: (from david@localhost) by dhcp-130-129-18-47.meeting.ietf.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m6UDMFSq006852; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:22:14 -0700 From: David Kessens To: Vint Cerf Message-ID: <20080730132214.GC3198@nsn.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 13:22:28.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[50747B70:01C8F247] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Share taxi on Friday morning X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Vint, On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:35:34AM -0700, Vint Cerf wrote: > > Sadly, the owner of the helicopters is not offering them for rent. The rental helicopters are all in use in another part of the country (http://www.galwayraces.com/). However, if you really want to, they are able to accomodate you for E 1,500. David Kessens --- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D093C3A6C28; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDA53A6AC0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCIB9bqy51HW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5B23A69B3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UEafdA018815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: <48907C78.4070904@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:40 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:22 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole, This script that you and I are following has become a cliche. To break out of it and conduct serious discussion, we need to think harder about underlying assumptions, as well as treating asserted data with some skepticism. Ole Jacobsen wrote: > De-coupling the two issues is a fine idea on paper and in my > experience almost unworkable in practice. Hosts DO want some > say in where we meet and they DO want to be near a place where > they can provide "local" support (if only from a remote office). 1. You are quite wrong. Most conferences, association meetings, and the like, choose a venue independent of sponsorship. Hence sponsorship is about sponsoring, not about doing the grunt work. Long ago, we developed a meeting model based on some coupling of roles and services, which are so entrenched any attempt to suggest changing it gets responses that are firm, reflexive and not supported by the facts. Responding rigidly and defensively is not a good way to pursue necessary changes. It is a good way to ensure that persistent problems persist. 2. The IETF insists on a model that performs what it claims is an optimization when a) it's highly local while ignoring larger inefficiencies, and b) probably isn't all that optimal locally. When looking at persistent problems, improvement is never achieved by starting to defend core assumptions that are, in fact, the primary reasons for the problem. By insisting that the IETF start with choosing a host, most of our meeting venue problems ensue. It ensures all of the instabilities we repeatedly experience. It ensures hidden costs -- thereby making claims of reduced cost, by virtue of having hosts perform tasks off the IETF's books -- that offset supposed savings. Note, for example, the substantially higher cost of taxis because the Dublin facility is so remote. While taxi cost might seem a silly, small point, it becomes a large one when applied to the entire population of attendees, as well as applied repeatedly if attendees want to get elsewhere. (Yes, the added bus service helps, but not enough.) When this core error is highlighted, we always get series of tautological arguments attempting to assert that the error is required. It isn't. There is more than sufficient experience in the rest of the world to show that the error need not be made. > I would be wonderful if we had a pool of money from lots of > vendors that simply took care of all costs and logistics and > we then just get to pick the venue. Oh, wait, there is such > a pool, it's called "Organizational Membership in ISOC". Again, the IETF walked down a path that created a strategic problem and would rather continue an operational mode that ensure significant IETF meeting problems periodically, rather than fix the underlying problem. In this case, I think that trade association funding details could be relevant: They have both "membership" and "sponsorship" and it works fine. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608D83A6C2C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3600528C2D6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZMmPQykLITt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2D728C311 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UEnOB8019613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:26 -0700 Message-ID: <48907F74.7080703@bbiw.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:49:24 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole Jacobsen wrote: > And we also have consistent history which says that a hosted meeting > is much easier on everyone involved (except the host :-) and that First, we have very, very little experience with meetings that do not have a "local" host. So that making generalizations like this is pretty risky. Second, my recollection of the one or two meetings we've had without hosts was that they went well. > hosts typically want some say in where the meeting is held. If your > headquarters is in say, Philadelphia, you can recruit a lot of > "volunteers" and run back to the office and borrow a printer, hub, > switch, paper ream, or what have you. And a new venue requires lots of additional volunteers, in order to figure out the new things and fix the new problems. > This works well, and while I agree that having a few "hub" locations > would be good, I also know that it isn't easy to find a willing host > for a "repeating" location. That's based on the idea that the 'host' needs to be associated with the venue. They don't. DE-COUPLE THE TWO ISSUES. (A side-benefit is that this makes it plausible to have multiple hosts for the event, with each able to pay a smaller amount...) > The new location syndrome also has good sides such as permitting more > participants from a given local region. That was important in the mid-90s. It isn't any more, in terms of getting IETF work done. The core question that was put forward during one of these discussions -- by Fred Baker while he was Chair, I think -- was: What helps get IETF work done? I think that's the right question. A venue that is remote, expensive, unreliable, or otherwise problematic does not help the IETF do its work. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6783A6C30; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B980A3A6BF6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXPDch+aPF7E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2795228C311 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.22.125] ([130.129.22.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6UEmt9c019578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:48:57 -0700 Message-ID: <48907F57.5090308@bbiw.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:48:55 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <94A3C924-DB32-43B1-B9F5-66C54EA32926@muada.com> <1217326884.3851.12.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <488F4098.1040106@dcrocker.net> <48905D65.303@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7891/Wed Jul 30 03:03:53 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:23 -0700 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ole, This script that you and I are following has become a cliche. To break out of it and conduct serious discussion, we need to think harder about underlying assumptions, as well as treating asserted data with some skepticism. Ole Jacobsen wrote: > De-coupling the two issues is a fine idea on paper and in my > experience almost unworkable in practice. Hosts DO want some > say in where we meet and they DO want to be near a place where > they can provide "local" support (if only from a remote office). 1. You are quite wrong. Most conferences, association meetings, and the like, choose a venue independent of sponsorship. Hence sponsorship is about sponsoring, not about doing the grunt work. Long ago, we developed a meeting model based on some coupling of roles and services, which are so entrenched any attempt to suggest changing it gets responses that are firm, reflexive and not supported by the facts. Responding rigidly and defensively is not a good way to pursue necessary changes. It is a good way to ensure that persistent problems persist. 2. The IETF insists on a model that performs what it claims is an optimization when a) it's highly local while ignoring larger inefficiencies, and b) probably isn't all that optimal locally. When looking at persistent problems, improvement is never achieved by starting to defend core assumptions that are, in fact, the primary reasons for the problem. By insisting that the IETF start with choosing a host, most of our meeting venue problems ensue. It ensures all of the instabilities we repeatedly experience. It ensures hidden costs -- thereby making claims of reduced cost, by virtue of having hosts perform tasks off the IETF's books -- that offset supposed savings. Note, for example, the substantially higher cost of taxis because the Dublin facility is so remote. While taxi cost might seem a silly, small point, it becomes a large one when applied to the entire population of attendees, as well as applied repeatedly if attendees want to get elsewhere. (Yes, the added bus service helps, but not enough.) When this core error is highlighted, we always get series of tautological arguments attempting to assert that the error is required. It isn't. There is more than sufficient experience in the rest of the world to show that the error need not be made. > I would be wonderful if we had a pool of money from lots of > vendors that simply took care of all costs and logistics and > we then just get to pick the venue. Oh, wait, there is such > a pool, it's called "Organizational Membership in ISOC". Again, the IETF walked down a path that created a strategic problem and would rather continue an operational mode that ensure significant IETF meeting problems periodically, rather than fix the underlying problem. In this case, I think that trade association funding details could be relevant: They have both "membership" and "sponsorship" and it works fine. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:13:28 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718173A6C35; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0C43A6981 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmX7pIfHcftv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote: > It is interesting that these are the sizes that run out first during every meeting, yet no attempt has been made to improve the situation. > Are you proposing that we switch from cookies to carrots at the afternoon break ... ;^) A 2Xer myself ... dougm _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:18:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E193A6C21; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:18:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC803A6BFD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 29, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: > Three of us took the IETF bus in last night for dinner. Worked like > a charm. We took the 5pm bus in, got to Trinity College at 5:30, > walked a few blocks to the restaurant, had a nice 2 hour meal, > walked back to the bus, and picked up the 8pm back to the hotel. > > Much nicer than dealing with taxis, and the local bus service and > quite handy. This put paid to a lot of my feelings of geographic > isolation and I urge those feeling IETF cabin fever take advantage > of the service. The bus service has indeed made the remote location survivable, although I'm still not enjoying the one-hour commute into the meeting site each morning. But I'm grateful for it. However, we should still avoid outback resort locations in the future. -- Dean _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 09:50:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE9928C3A7; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0A928C395 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJJzXPEggVl9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from M4.sparta.com (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3D028C3A1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m6UGo8YT000592; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:50:08 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6UGo6Mf019380; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:50:06 -0500 Received: from localhost ([130.129.22.74]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:50:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:49:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Sandra Murphy To: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com In-Reply-To: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-X-Sender: sandy@nemo.columbia.sparta.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="104146220-4389-1217436598=:6028" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 16:50:05.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[514F9300:01C8F264] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:50:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --104146220-4389-1217436598=:6028 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Speaking personally, it is the size S and XS that have only recently begun= =20 to appear at all at IETF meetings - and seem to reach resource exhaustion= =20 very swiftly. --Sandy On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote: > It is interesting that these are the sizes that run out first during ever= y meeting, yet no attempt has been made to improve the situation. > > > Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh > E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com > Phone: +358 50 386 0566 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Tony Hansen > Sent: 30 July, 2008 17:18 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL > > Is there anyone swimming in a 2XL ietf shirt that would be willing to swa= p for an XL? > The timing was rotten yesterday for me to get there to try to get a 2XL. > > =09Tony Hansen > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > --104146220-4389-1217436598=:6028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --104146220-4389-1217436598=:6028-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 10:55:40 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D1A3A6C26; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8253A6C26 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPWwVb1PHGmZ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.live555.com (ns.live555.com [4.79.217.242]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FD03A6C3C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.live555.com (localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live555.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UGI3nn093518 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsf@ns.live555.com) Received: (from rsf@localhost) by ns.live555.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6UGI3tH093517; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:15:39 +0100 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Ross Finlayson Subject: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Can anyone recommend a good coffee shop in central Dublin that has free WiFi? Ross. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 10:59:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC81B3A6C2B; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218AA3A6843 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.765 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQL58BDTyTNi for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B083A6981 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6UHxcYO003947; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:59:48 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:59:48 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:59:45 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:59:45 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF099467406A1D@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL Thread-Index: AcjyZGBXRRcuFHHURNy0m+icImSErwACaCIw References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 17:59:45.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CBF3100:01C8F26E] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Interesting. More cookies then! ;-) Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: ext Sandra Murphy [mailto:sandy@sparta.com] = Sent: 30 July, 2008 19:50 To: Ordogh Zoltan (Nokia-D-MSW/Tampere) Cc: tony@att.com; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL Speaking personally, it is the size S and XS that have only recently begun = to appear at all at IETF meetings - and seem to reach resource exhaustion v= ery swiftly. --Sandy On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote: > It is interesting that these are the sizes that run out first during ever= y meeting, yet no attempt has been made to improve the situation. > > > Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh > E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com > Phone: +358 50 386 0566 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Tony Hansen > Sent: 30 July, 2008 17:18 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL > > Is there anyone swimming in a 2XL ietf shirt that would be willing to swa= p for an XL? > The timing was rotten yesterday for me to get there to try to get a 2XL. > > Tony Hansen > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 11:10:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137D93A6C3F; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F8B3A68C7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.751, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvBJlTaGVHtu for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188303A6972 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6UIB7P4046795 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200807301811.m6UIB7P4046795@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:11:06 -0400 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Olafur Gudmundsson In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer ball for todays game X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have the ball. Anyone willing to play tonight or tomorrow lets meet outside the plenary room just after the plenary and see when we play. Look for the White and blue ball. Olafur At 07:26 30/07/2008, Roque Gagliano wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi, > >I bought a ball to play football/soccer, so If the 10 people that on >the list for playing today want to use it (there is no ball at the >front desk), please send me an email. I am not playing today, only >tomorrow. > >Roque >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) > >iEYEARECAAYFAkiQT+YACgkQnk+WSgHpbO7TbACfbeLDcl/DT/t9Fa45Eu1FDAmY >uSUAoLoikI5oBCeL5RdZUT6hVo/6+61V >=XAUB >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >72attendees mailing list >72attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 11:22:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C1E28C39C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3B928C39C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKZrJldedCCT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mrout3.yahoo.com (mrout3.yahoo.com [216.145.54.173]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1EB28C106 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.49.44] (vpn-client-16-15.corp.ukl.yahoo.com [10.76.16.15]) by mrout3.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/y.out) with ESMTP id m6UIKrOU084160 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=serpent; d=yahoo-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:from:to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=FpLmvHtfxfgaB/v+YVFOtISVo4eXRArjHE2/HIbXLXhO7LWNZ4E1KHQPDreS3n7V Message-Id: From: Mark Nottingham To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:20:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] Warning: check your bill upon checkout X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Make sure to *carefully* check each item on your CityWest hotel bill. I had two bar tabs added to mine, and even though the name on the receipts clearly wasn't mine, they were extremely reluctant to correct them at the front desk when I checked out of the hotel (she took one off, but failed to take the associated gratuity off as well; when I challenged this, she said "but that's the tip for the beer," whereupon I pointed out that it's difficult to tip for a beer that you haven't bought or consumed. She ended up printing out four copies of the bill before getting it right.) Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham mnot@yahoo-inc.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 11:24:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01B13A697E; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECB428C39C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY=0.478] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ztr4HjVBqo8o for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5D328C106 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so75680ywj.49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vq1hnfO2T26gpnOILMtO7pTaTPD7drCsYzFcj5Q/Pr4=; b=K0Eyj8HKPsnPoc+OWytFJj7e+QLEMkAZwjaRJPYkOWLvxU2RUOGLxPjg10GltEXP3E 0grCHohmF/D7H72x7G+rs1aUGWhoF7wB5fTq9JTnvFuHitydj6NUma2mYhSNmoCzhno9 IExMgkemcF8QK6ftIzgm5oUKwLnvbXCgYHwxk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qS3n5HjTTV5NHFrWu1V+umPjR2eeTrOZpxauPQmJs/dzRp31wTIoeGoXkE1C9ZoS8U b5gQNMzFvXVuyvmBkM4iYqoG9SGhA6R/yyaDDmN6zLFHO8mDtFEX9uNszvEi6uK+LkmU GYyPVRzIMAjxTCWVOoJWpPt271EG2HmG/0fVw= Received: by 10.114.27.14 with SMTP id a14mr8972280waa.209.1217442223458; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.148.10 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89187de50807301123t3787d8efgf5d737b1bbd75658@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:23:43 +0100 From: "Tim Hunter" To: "Ross Finlayson" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1231486135==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1231486135== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43132_5219660.1217442223457" ------=_Part_43132_5219660.1217442223457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can tell you about good coffee shops, but I can't tell you about free wifi. Good Coffee: The Bald Barista, http://www.thebaldbarista.com/ West Coast Coffee http://www.westcoastcoffee.ie/ Coffee Society Other discussion: http://www.dublinblog.ie/2006/10/10/mmmmmm-coffee/ However, I think most of these places have non-free wifi provided by bitbuzz (http://www.bitbuzz.com/) Within x-hundred meters of eircom phone booths we have wifi, but it isn't free (we do have an agreement with boingo) -- dubiln city centre hotspot map: http://snipurl.com/37srj [www_eircom_ie] I think McDonalds might have free wifi, but that isn't a decent coffee shop, and I'm not even sure the wireless is free. The clientele gets ugly (read: drunk & rowdy) late at night. tim On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good coffee shop in central Dublin that has free > WiFi? > > Ross. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > ------=_Part_43132_5219660.1217442223457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I can tell you about good coffee shops, but I can't tell you about free wifi.

Good Coffee:
Coffee Society


However, I think most of these places have non-free wifi provided by bitbuzz (http://www.bitbuzz.com/)

Within x-hundred meters of eircom phone booths we have wifi, but it isn't free (we do have an agreement with boingo) -- dubiln city centre hotspot map: http://snipurl.com/37srj  [www_eircom_ie]

I think McDonalds might have free wifi, but that isn't a decent coffee shop, and I'm not even sure the wireless is free.  The clientele gets ugly (read: drunk & rowdy) late at night.

tim


On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Ross Finlayson <finlayson@live555.com> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good coffee shop in central Dublin that has free WiFi?

       Ross.
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------=_Part_43132_5219660.1217442223457-- --===============1231486135== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1231486135==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 11:38:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FF23A6C4C; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D1A3A68AF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.132 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.372, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29xyc7vmg3IC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2069C3A6C4C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,280,1215381600"; d="vcf'?scan'208";a="15667561" Received: from unknown (HELO chokaisan.local) ([130.129.20.12]) by mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Jul 2008 20:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4890B52B.9040703@inria.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:38:35 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst Organization: INRIA User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040709040508040506030607" Subject: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040709040508040506030607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alain Durand was just saying in the plenary that there is nothing much interesting to see in IPv6 but a dancing turtle (http://www.kame.net), so let me recommend one that may boost IPv6 statistics during the next few weeks: http://ipv6.beijing2008.cn/ PS: if this is noticeable it would be nice to report it at next IETF meeting. 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Thierry _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 13:59:30 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA0E3A6905; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:59:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED953A6905 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:59:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Dv9z8Ygxg43 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2BC3A68C0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12300001 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:59:42 -0400 Message-Id: <967EDE41-A836-4390-B352-E6FFF264A11F@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:59:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [72attendees] IETF-72 in the news X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 14:04:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5417E3A691A; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A7D3A69E6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ikwc98ssOZnE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A53A68C0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12300047; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:04:28 -0400 Message-Id: <2F403EC1-EA15-4465-BD59-8A93B25A9508@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: In-Reply-To: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946740696F@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:04:25 -0400 References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF09946740696F@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This isn't enough ? Regards Marshall On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, wrote: > [intentionally provocative response below] > J=E1nos, > I was wondering what it is, too. > From the invitation I understood it goes on paper. For some reason = > which I do not quite understand (we should be preserving the = > environment instead of chopping wood for such reason). > > The thing is that 'they' never provide proper description in the = > invitation, so I guess it's a private club for those who know, or = > those who dare. > > My - probably non-sense - guess is that it works like a lottery; you = > pick someone's name from Santa's hat and you get to sign a message = > together. > > Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh > E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com > Phone: +358 50 386 0566 > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = > ] On Behalf Of ext Mohacsi Janos > Sent: 30 July, 2008 15:04 > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure > > Dear All, > Are there any procedural information available about the PGP = > keysigning session this afternoon? > > Janos Mohacsi > Network Engineer, Research Associate, Head of Network Planning and = > Projects NIIF/HUNGARNET, HUNGARY Key 70EF9882: DEC2 C685 1ED4 C95A = > 145F 4300 6F64 7B00 70EF 9882 = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 14:09:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACC43A68A2; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38E43A68A2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yoi0CtWDq5gt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.csc.fi (smtp1.csc.fi [193.166.3.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D7C3A686C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap2.csc.fi (imap2.csc.fi [193.166.7.57]) by smtp1.csc.fi (MAILSERVER) with ESMTP id m6UL9ifY015933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:09:44 +0300 Received: from myrsky.csc.fi (myrsky.csc.fi [193.166.7.58]) (authenticated as psavola) by imap2.csc.fi (MAILSERVER) with ESMTP id m6UL9iOm025379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:09:44 +0300 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:09:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CanItPRO-Stream: 00_Opt_Out (inherits from default) Subject: [72attendees] Leaving Thu afternoon/evening? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Anyone else leaving already Thursday afternoon/evening (~after the sessions end) and wondering about sharing a cab? Contact me off-list by Thu 1pm, I'll summarize and/or create cc: list if there are lots of responses. -ps _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 14:43:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418923A67A6; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CA43A69CF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.381, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QlNGyja6-9Ws for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1D13A6780 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,281,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15846031" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2008 21:43:25 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6ULhPnb012500 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:43:25 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6ULhOSl028365 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:43:24 GMT Received: from [10.61.96.200] (dhcp-10-61-96-200.cisco.com [10.61.96.200]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6ULhII11017 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:43:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4890E076.1010000@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:43:18 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080702 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1253; t=1217454205; x=1218318205; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Warning=3A=20check=20your=20bill=20upon =20checkout |Sender:=20; bh=wc1yse5sDKuWasfS+fDdyoabY0UR8jDv5Y/4agSz984=; b=DnYHFMUTLOb1M+0Ie2FpA1b5oWyzkbFZchAuW/QmO9fOWqpAvpSiJAjPqP VB7GaupWDdzX/kxML1oCDpnti5OGZh7R5WRfVkO0Cryy5uo4bqFndQEfBboj 7KdkrLH/T6; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Warning: check your bill upon checkout X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Using "view your bill" on my in-room TV, it seems they charged someone else's lunch to my room, then removed it again. However it's difficult to work out exactly what was charged when, because the items are displayed in a random order that's only loosely based on the transaction date. P. Mark Nottingham wrote: > Make sure to *carefully* check each item on your CityWest hotel bill. > > I had two bar tabs added to mine, and even though the name on the > receipts clearly wasn't mine, they were extremely reluctant to correct > them at the front desk when I checked out of the hotel (she took one > off, but failed to take the associated gratuity off as well; when I > challenged this, she said "but that's the tip for the beer," whereupon I > pointed out that it's difficult to tip for a beer that you haven't > bought or consumed. She ended up printing out four copies of the bill > before getting it right.) > > Cheers, > > > > -- > Mark Nottingham mnot@yahoo-inc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 22:51:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1813A6889; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720D43A67F5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.035 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.035 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.564, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5B3f2KkuQ+W for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24DE3A6889 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so372430ika.5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:51:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lLAc/CQ9WccSwzMiB12tLsTil70XkUtZ2Pml9ULOsng=; b=VkbGpjy3J5UDhYXeQ1ByYIzmE5LPFh1xHbM8XJFKD3YVr0+zamRD3V75J7B0GEAqVn emNM6FxfK0s82qhDmwmFzv1GZyB8HVOiWi1/D6hPNtgKlB/wnMq1Tx2fyhSZLwpMMoNc AVR2QO8Y+2IhFIuaSm2CTEiJlGtIjsDclZCh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jmfDoTfoOM58yN39t82oF0zBn/dkQOfJwE9r29EAKVl7fKpz15m6rsqV5EQ2UL0kRA WwD7LDcLi7Juz//NQkCmsqcFs8YriORBQhxXjPpwdcoZiliSCUGjnq6WBv7+vFHgwk4b FrbgBEeeZXB1nRKPcaj5lfxtGxHAk1fFG9ckU= Received: by 10.210.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr10386481ebj.167.1217483469472; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.14.110? ( [130.129.65.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm4402375gve.8.2008.07.30.22.51.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489152C6.5050709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:51:02 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] Flying on Lufthansa? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org If you're flying out on Lufthansa, make sure you check lufthansa.com in case your flight has been cancelled due to their partial strike. They claim to be running about 90% of their flights. (If you call them, they will tell you exactly what is on the web site. But if you *really* want to call them, the number here is 01-844 5544.) There is absolutely no need to reply to this message! Brian _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 01:47:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224BA3A6971; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB3F3A6971 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:47:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nleO-L4AIhN3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Also www6.postel.org (for those running native to IPv6, just use www.postel.org) This has all the end2end-interest archives, rbridges/trill WG list, etc. - -- Joe Vint Cerf wrote: | Please also go to ipv6.google.com | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> | To: 72attendees@ietf.org <72attendees@ietf.org> | Sent: Wed Jul 30 11:38:35 2008 | Subject: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site | | | Alain Durand was just saying in the plenary that there is | nothing much interesting to see in IPv6 but a dancing turtle | (http://www.kame.net), so let me recommend one that may boost IPv6 | statistics during the next few weeks: http://ipv6.beijing2008.cn/ | | PS: if this is noticeable it would be nice to report it at next IETF | meeting. | Thierry | | | _______________________________________________ | 72attendees mailing list | 72attendees@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiRe64ACgkQE5f5cImnZrsLmgCfZqPOCSKkBMOdtxM0Mgb3yItl MWsAoJwDcq+gql2HelyTLFjk1Gu8/iAt =NAGP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 01:52:01 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1266C28C0D0; 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Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48917CC1.7070806@viagenie.ca> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:50:09 +0100 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Finlayson References: In-Reply-To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ross Finlayson wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good coffee shop in central Dublin that has free = > WiFi? I spent a whole day trying to find such a thing. The closest thing I = found is the McDonald's on O'Connell street which has free wi-fi and a = caf=E9 counter which sells many sorts of coffee and pastries. -- = Please try Numb, a STUN/TURN server implementation. Free access at http://numb.viagenie.ca/. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:03:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136DF3A6A13; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E7F3A6885 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.457 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.457 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcioOoKoJPz0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12973A6A13 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m6V93Nrd024326; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:03:44 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:03:34 +0300 Received: from vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.68]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:03:24 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:03:24 +0300 Message-ID: <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF099467406BEC@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> In-reply-to: <48917CC1.7070806@viagenie.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? Thread-Index: Acjy6tHQb4i4npRMRRC0GDSz1mkjwAAAQ6JA References: <48917CC1.7070806@viagenie.ca> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 09:03:24.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[49F07C40:01C8F2EC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, McDonald's makes sure that they are at least one step ahead of the com= petition... Actually, McDonald's restaurants in most EU countries are equipped with WiF= i, so it is generally a good idea to start there (or, the immediate vicinit= y of a McDonald's). Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of ext Simon Perreault Sent: 31 July, 2008 11:50 To: Ross Finlayson Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] WiFi-friendly coffee shops in central Dublin? Ross Finlayson wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good coffee shop in central Dublin that has = > free WiFi? I spent a whole day trying to find such a thing. The closest thing I found = is the McDonald's on O'Connell street which has free wi-fi and a caf=E9 cou= nter which sells many sorts of coffee and pastries. -- Please try Numb, a STUN/TURN server implementation. Free access at http://numb.viagenie.ca/. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:05:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C433A692F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:05:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB523A69CA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.425, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceDiYTkYb6e5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553AA3A698B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id DC90095356; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:05:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3D30157D84; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:22 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:22 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Vint Cerf Message-ID: <20080731090422.GA19257@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:31:22PM -0700, Vint Cerf wrote a message of 23 lines which said: > Please also go to ipv6.google.com Do note that, on a v6-only network, it is not really useful since most of the links it sends back are for v4-only sites. It does not seem that Google's ranking take into account the IP address family of the client. This is a common problem with redirections services (like Google or a BitTorrent tracker. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:13:08 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CFA3A692F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D415D3A692F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8-shlIKXIaAP for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.irnic.ir (smtp.irnic.ir [193.189.122.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415783A6806 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irnic.ir (mail.irnic.ir [193.189.122.16]) by smtp.irnic.ir (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6V9D7RV026192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:43:17 +0430 Message-ID: <48918222.4080505@nic.ir> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:43:06 +0430 From: Alireza Saleh User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] CAB if no bus on friday X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, If no bus accepts to give us ride for Friday morning, I can leave the hotel between 10:00 - 11:00 am, and looking forward for cab-sharing opportunities. xn--Aleez _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:13:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279D13A6B39; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEAD3A6B2E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.389, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lrqn40rjK8VC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A673A6AEB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 10D8595362; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C46EA157D84; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:54 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:54 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Thierry Ernst Message-ID: <20080731090854.GB19257@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <4890B52B.9040703@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4890B52B.9040703@inria.fr> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:38:35PM +0200, Thierry Ernst wrote a message of 41 lines which said: > so let me recommend one that may boost IPv6 > statistics during the next few weeks: http://ipv6.beijing2008.cn/ If using IPv6 gives access to uncensored information, it is a "killer app" :-) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/sports/olympics/31china.html?hp China to Limit Web Access During Olympic Games By ANDREW JACOBS Published: July 31, 2008 BEIJING - The International Olympic Committee failed to press China to allow fully unfettered access to the Internet for the thousands of journalists arriving here to cover the Olympics, despite promising repeatedly that the foreign news media could "report freely" during the Games, Olympic officials acknowledged Wednesday. ... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:28:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC4E3A6B11; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org If you are looking for IPv6 sites to test, and to play with IPv6, get news about IPv6, etc, here are a few: http://www.ipv6tf.org http://www.ipv6day.org http://www.ipv6-to-standard.org http://www.6deploy.eu And only in Spanish: http://www.6sos.org Regards, Jordi > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer > Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:22 +0100 > To: Vint Cerf > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:31:22PM -0700, > Vint Cerf wrote > a message of 23 lines which said: > >> Please also go to ipv6.google.com > > Do note that, on a v6-only network, it is not really useful since most > of the links it sends back are for v4-only sites. It does not seem > that Google's ranking take into account the IP address family of the > client. > > This is a common problem with redirections services (like Google or a > BitTorrent tracker. > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:39:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C13A6AB8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ED43A6A38 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.24 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.24 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.359, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V+JYxhgviqOI for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A0C3A6B2E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 9B2209535D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C933157D84; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:18 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Message-ID: <20080731093818.GA21976@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <20080731090422.GA19257@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:28:43AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote a message of 59 lines which said: > If you are looking for IPv6 sites to test, and to play with IPv6, No! The whole point of the thread is to find IPv6 with actual *content*, not IPv6-enabled sites talking about IPv6. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:42:46 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CA93A6A23; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766BE3A63D2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9QvuAXm7iWPx for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289C23A68C2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6V9gcaO048593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:42:40 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48918907.3070702@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:31 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer References: <20080731090422.GA19257@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20080731093818.GA21976@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20080731093818.GA21976@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7898/Thu Jul 31 06:42:41 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:28:43AM +0100, > JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote > a message of 59 lines which said: > >> If you are looking for IPv6 sites to test, and to play with IPv6, > > No! The whole point of the thread is to find IPv6 with actual > *content*, not IPv6-enabled sites talking about IPv6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:50:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798C3A68E6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108E43A6AEB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0351611459==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:56:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9053B3A6C1D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0CB3A6C1F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r4KThkcSFG5a for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/31/08 at 1:43 PM +0430, Alireza Saleh wrote: >If no bus accepts to give us ride for Friday morning, I can leave >the hotel between 10:00 - 11:00 am, and looking forward for >cab-sharing opportunities. If you need a bus into the city, see: If you need a bus to the airport, see: pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 02:56:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBA628C0E1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945793A6C4B for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KAkwr604T2Dv for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615043A6B11 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C976C01D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The problem with dietary restrictions is that there is a collision of design goals. If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full freight, the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. An effective, if unsympathetic, approach would be to have people with dietary restrictions be responsible for finding their own solutions. But people who are volunteers may well not have enough time to deal with finding specialized food sources. Ideally, food passes through the hands of chefs who can cope with dietary restrictions. But we don't really want to require sit-down restaurant prices, we want mass-provisioned food prices. But we want individual customization also. Worse, once we get beyond established international conference venues, it may be hard to get particular dietary restrictions even understood. E.g., it seems that about 0.03% of the Irish population is Jewish, and though I'd expect a food service operation to have some idea that kosher food exists, it's probably hard to obtain. And though celiac disease is not new, I don't believe that it was recognized until recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are significant parts of the world where it is not yet understood as a dietary problem. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:02:33 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8003A69EB; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B447C3A696C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7krn+3zq2WZR for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514373A680A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.5.63] ([130.129.65.35]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VA2hde014665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:45 -0700 Message-ID: <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:02:44 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Worley References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> In-Reply-To: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7898/Wed Jul 30 23:42:41 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale Worley wrote: > If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full freight, > the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary > restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to > costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly > against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. What is the basis for you claim that such venues are more expensive than other venues we go to. (For example, can you list some of each type that the IETF has been to?) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:10:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479E23A6B11; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6915E3A6A3F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40ktD7P2qF3H for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.iol.unh.edu (postal.iol.unh.edu [132.177.123.84]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6573A6AFF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.21.134] ([130.129.21.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by postal.iol.unh.edu (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VAAGND023329 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8D8BF89F-5D2A-46BB-9C19-AB5DBB1AB245@iol.unh.edu> From: Timothy Winters To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/7898/Thu Jul 31 02:42:41 2008 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0893545806==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0893545806== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-821130617 --Apple-Mail-4-821130617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some links on IPv6 network. http://unhipv6camera.iol.unh.edu/CgiStart?page=Single&Language=0 or http://[2001:468:603:c001:280:f0ff:fe55:ea0c]/CgiStart? page=Single&Language=0 There is also www.moonv6.org. ~Tim --Apple-Mail-4-821130617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some links on IPv6 network.

or
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There is also www.moonv6.org.

~Tim

--Apple-Mail-4-821130617-- --===============0893545806== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0893545806==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:10:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C370E3A6AFF; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C443A680A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZQjbF2SM2wPp for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD18F3A6C1D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VAAadS049852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:39 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <48918F98.1020300@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:10:32 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7898/Thu Jul 31 06:42:41 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dave Crocker wrote: > > > Dale Worley wrote: >> If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full freight, >> the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary >> restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to >> costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly >> against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. > > > What is the basis for you claim that such venues are more expensive than > other venues we go to. (For example, can you list some of each type > that the IETF has been to?) ask alcatel lucent to cost out the potential venues for this meeting. since we claim this venue meets one one of the assumptions and one or more of the others meets the other set it shouldn't be rocket science. This of course only one of the problems in the set so considering it in isolation isn't productive. > d/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:12:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B3D28C0E6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAB328C0E6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cHbmnVFT2iEm for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (dlpdemo.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CD73A6AFF for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id D6BBE294002; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:12:13 +0300 (IDT) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [194.29.32.68]) by dlpdemo.checkpoint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50D294001; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:12:12 +0300 (IDT) Received: from [172.31.21.105] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m6VAC6jI015637; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:12:11 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: From: Yoav Nir To: dcrocker@bbiw.net In-Reply-To: <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:06 +0100 References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1717998761==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1717998761== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-821241618; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-5-821241618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Large, international conferences with a wide mixture of people tend to be in large cities and so cost more. The Hilton in Chicago was expensive, more so than this place. If we'd have the meeting in New York, that would be even more expensive. Move the conference to, say, Salt Lake City, and you'll have a harder time finding kosher food, but prices are bound to be lower. On Jul 31, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > > Dale Worley wrote: >> If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full >> freight, >> the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary >> restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to >> costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly >> against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. > > > What is the basis for you claim that such venues are more expensive > than other venues we go to. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1717998761==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:14:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550813A6C1D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9313A69EB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:14:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.471 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.471 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AXl5+5E9E8V3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A03A6AB8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.72]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6VAD3T23087; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:13:04 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: Acjy9JsumMHg61G9TaSyvwggCpzX8wAADiZg References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> From: "Mary Barnes" To: , "Dale Worley" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if things are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be difficult. IN addition, I personally travel early to assess the food situation. For this meeting, my primary fault was assuming that the food I could order in the restaurants on Sat/Sun would be available to me at lunch. If I had known the lunch options in advance, I would have shopped for a lot more on Sunday (I try to avoid having a lot of leftover food at the end of meetings, as I consider it very wasteful and of course, airlines dramatically restrict what I can take home anyways). Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would hold a meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are really minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using basic ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. For example, a salad bar with protein for everyone's restrictions (i.e., no gluten, kosher meats (for non-vegetarians/vegans) and nuts/beans/tofu for vegans/vegetarians). The biggest issue for most of us is cross-contamination (i.e, handling bread and then supposed gluten-free items or cooking veggies in chicken broth or in oils that have been used for meats, etc.) and again decent chefs are aware of this. As well, I am very happy to provide a detailed list of foods that work for the majority. There is an excellent example of food that meats most of our needs - Cornucopia in Dublin - all vegan/vegetarian - everything labeled with allergens. The largest hurdle is kosher, which requires a bit more pre-planning, but as others can support there are many conferences that provide are able to meet this requirement. Also, IMHO, the fact that many of us with these restrictions typically can't eat ANY or very little of the items offered at breaks means that we are already paying for something we don't get. So, I don't think the cost is an issue for this situation at all! And, I do want to acknowledge that the AMS staff was very gracious in ensuring that I had a meal I could eat for WG chairs yesterday, so they're already aware that this can be managed. Thanks! Regards, Mary. --- speaking for many folks here - I've heard offline from quite a few folks about all these issues --- -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:03 AM To: Dale Worley Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Dale Worley wrote: > If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full > freight, the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary > restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to > costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly > against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. What is the basis for you claim that such venues are more expensive than other venues we go to. (For example, can you list some of each type that the IETF has been to?) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:30:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA4F3A67F6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072AD3A67F6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ahyDQXqQZPfj for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD763A67ED for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370487FC5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMlaJGggKrKm for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.243] (dhcp-130-129-23-243.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.243]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49324813F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Marcia Beaulieu Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, 2008). 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Regards, Alcatel-Lucent _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 03:40:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019C63A6AA9; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35B73A6AA9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbqz00UuVqzW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616F3A69D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB746C01D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:40:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:40:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1217500832.31640.2.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 11:02 +0100, Dave Crocker wrote: > Dale Worley wrote: > > If we use venues used to international conferences and pay full freight, > > the chefs understand and will deal with all sorts of dietary > > restrictions. But that costs money, people are already objecting to > > costs, and full-freight prices and globalized venues work directly > > against our goal of being accessible to an international audience. > What is the basis for you claim that such venues are more expensive than other > venues we go to. (For example, can you list some of each type that the IETF has > been to?) It's possible that the food business is unlike any other, but in all industries I know anything about, individualized attention from skilled workers is considerably more expensive than one-size-fits-all products. > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking Does Brandenburg charge the same prices as Infosys? Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 04:01:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7FD3A6C5F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D333A6C5F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:01:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZ76NDJhYx3Z for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pingtel.com (host117.155.212.198.conversent.net [155.212.198.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357EA3A6A62 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh.pingtel.com [10.1.20.8]) by mail.pingtel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5296C01D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dale Worley To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <1217498154.21037.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> <48918DC4.3080708@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:01:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1217502108.31640.20.camel@victoria.pingtel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 05:12 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: > Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if things > are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know > this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be > difficult. [...] > Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would hold a > meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are really > minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using basic > ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. Everything I've heard about food service is that costs are dominated by labor, not food per se. And of course, the more skilled the labor, the more expensive it will be. At least, that holds in software engineering, but I see no reason why food service would be different. Now maybe it *is* of minimal added cost to the venue to make these provisions. Perhaps we should provide the venue a list of types and numbers of specialized food and ask them what the additional price would be? That could provide solid data. (OTOH, that would require prior notification of the numbers of each dietary restriction -- can we get solid enough commitments?) It sounds like proper prior information might be a way to solve this at minimal cost. But again, gathering that information is labor-intensive, must be done on-site, and requires someone who is sufficiently competent, so that isn't going to be free, either. What is a good method of accomplishing that? Now let me be clear, I'm not trying to argue for or against any particular solution. I just want people to understand this isn't an easy problem, and that we need to expend some care and effort to construct a good solution, with attention paid to all the constraints. If we spend our efforts just complaining that it *should be easy*, we won't construct a workable solution, and the problem will keep recurring. The only real evidence we have is that we haven't solved the problem yet, which is pretty good evidence that there is no known solution which works in practice. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 04:05:29 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2213A6826; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E7F3A63CB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:05:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.334, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bwNR7uOvZT-q for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:48:19AM -0700, Mike McBride (mmcbride) wrote a message of 38 lines which said: > It's a subtle hint that we all need to cut down on the donuts and beer. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2716768371_6b9d19083c_o.jpg _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 05:07:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AE63A6B43; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88843A6A82 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dale, Do you have food allergies or dietary restrictions? I've been dealing with them for 5+ years, as well has having a vegetarian child and have A LOT of experience in dealing with these issues. I know A LOT about nutrition. I've attended conferences in the past that could cater to the majority of us with these issues. I have many, many food restrictions. The hotel here has been accomodating when I've been able to reach staff to deal with this. These folks are professionals and when they're informed, they know exactly how to meet needs. I have volunteered to help deal with the situation for future meetings and think it's possible to have a very workable solution. It should not difficult to query the information during registration. I've done it for other conferences - I do it when I send my kids to camp - and I'd be happy to sort through it the information and work with AMS and the venue to at least try to accommodate us. AFAIK, this has never been attempted before. In terms of cost, if I can pay the same price for a YMCA/Campfire, etc. camp for my kids to have their dietary restrictions accomodated, then I think major hotels/conference venues for which we pay a premium for service can accommodate us. Indeed, the chefs at such would likely be insulted to hear that people don't believe they can do their jobs -this is a part of their education/training. When I have been able to order food at this venue, it's been handled exceptionally well. Finally, I will add that the reason this problem has been such a HUGE issue at this venue is due to the poor accessiblity to food markets. In Paris, we just all shopped in the nice market in the venue. In Philadelphia, there was Residence Inn next door and two Whole Foods within walking distance - as a result I only had to eat at restaurants twice and could easily bring my lunch from the hotel in my lunch cooler if needed for lunch meetings or just pop back over to the hotel. Regards, Mary -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dale Worley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:02 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 05:12 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: > Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if things > are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know > this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be > difficult. [...] > Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would hold > a > meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are really > minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using basic > ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. Everything I've heard about food service is that costs are dominated by labor, not food per se. And of course, the more skilled the labor, the more expensive it will be. At least, that holds in software engineering, but I see no reason why food service would be different. Now maybe it *is* of minimal added cost to the venue to make these provisions. Perhaps we should provide the venue a list of types and numbers of specialized food and ask them what the additional price would be? That could provide solid data. (OTOH, that would require prior notification of the numbers of each dietary restriction -- can we get solid enough commitments?) It sounds like proper prior information might be a way to solve this at minimal cost. But again, gathering that information is labor-intensive, must be done on-site, and requires someone who is sufficiently competent, so that isn't going to be free, either. What is a good method of accomplishing that? Now let me be clear, I'm not trying to argue for or against any particular solution. I just want people to understand this isn't an easy problem, and that we need to expend some care and effort to construct a good solution, with attention paid to all the constraints. If we spend our efforts just complaining that it *should be easy*, we won't construct a workable solution, and the problem will keep recurring. The only real evidence we have is that we haven't solved the problem yet, which is pretty good evidence that there is no known solution which works in practice. Dale _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 05:21:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A65A3A69D2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06993A6834 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O6l-YgAnN2LO for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444D03A69D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:c148:b1dc:e1ba:3f5d] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:c148:b1dc:e1ba:3f5d]) (authenticated bits=0) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VCLYMa006450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4891AE43.5010606@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:23 +0200 From: Dirk Kutscher User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] offering a lift to the airport on Friday, 8.30 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I will be going to the airport by car and can offer two seats. I will be leaving the hotel on Friday at 8.30am. Contact me directly if you are interested. It's free BTW. Cheers, Dirk _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 05:41:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F613A6AA2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EC93A6AA2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.945, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yX-lIkoSog0r for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771333A63D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VCfSjN020933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:28 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VCfSdw001701; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:28 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:29 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.22]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:41:28 +0200 Received: from 10.162.61.100 ([10.162.61.100]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:41:10 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:41:07 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Mary Barnes , Dale Worley , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: Acjy/OO+ByreW30fQaycf2Ew3K/rwgABtiYgAAG91gI= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 12:41:28.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0466300:01C8F30A] Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi everybody, I have some experience with allergies having being allergic for all my life, them getting worse in the last 8-9 years, noticing in the last 10-15 years how things that didn't use to be in some food, now is there, and having an allergic child. However, unlike Mary, I know absolutely nothing about nutrition. However, what I have noticed (after living in different countries) that all countries handle different food restrictions very differently. For instance Finland, the general knowledge of allergies is relatively high due the amount of allergies we have. However, the knowledge of religious food restrictions is very low. Countries that have relatively few allergies (and still relatively homogenous religious population) have absolutely no knowledge what so ever on any restrictions. My Italian father-in-law doesn't believe that allergies even really exist - and he is a doctor. He doesn't understand that he is not supposed to give things that my daughter cannot eat - even in small doses. People think I'm a snob not to eat some stuff, and they continue to tell me I could at least taste it to see if I like it. In US, there is quite a bit of knowledge for different food restrictions. However, people might not know what is actually in the food (trying to find out if something is done with sugar or corn syrup in a restaurant is according my experience practically impossible). I just wanted to show here that there are very different approaches to food restrictions in different countries. What seems to be easy, simple, or cheap in some countries, is not that easy in others. Also definitions of a restrictions are very different. I'm afraid that the IETF does not have the means to address these issues totally. We generally don't offer other food than the snacks during the breaks, and they try to please the general public of the IETF. It is clear we cannot please everybody. (I cannot ever eat the cookies during the breaks. There is always something there I'm allergic to.) I think the only solution is for us with food restrictions to help ourselves, and seek the IETF's and local host's help whenever it is available. We could have a group of volunteers and do a "food restrictions support group". E.g. We could have a Wiki page in the meeting.ietf.org where we could write out knowledge of the local food places, and we together could for instance organize drives to the local super market, if needed. Would people be interested in forming such formal group? Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 3:04 PM, "ext Mary Barnes" wrote: > Dale, > > Do you have food allergies or dietary restrictions? I've been dealing > with them for 5+ years, as well has having a vegetarian child and have A > LOT of experience in dealing with these issues. I know A LOT about > nutrition. I've attended conferences in the past that could cater to the > majority of us with these issues. I have many, many food restrictions. > The hotel here has been accomodating when I've been able to reach staff > to deal with this. These folks are professionals and when they're > informed, they know exactly how to meet needs. > > I have volunteered to help deal with the situation for future meetings > and think it's possible to have a very workable solution. > It should not difficult to query the information during registration. > I've done it for other conferences - I do it when I send my kids to camp > - and I'd be happy to sort through it the information and work with AMS > and the venue to at least try to accommodate us. AFAIK, this has never > been attempted before. > > In terms of cost, if I can pay the same price for a YMCA/Campfire, etc. > camp for my kids to have their dietary restrictions accomodated, then I > think major hotels/conference venues for which we pay a premium for > service can accommodate us. Indeed, the chefs at such would likely be > insulted to hear that people don't believe they can do their jobs -this > is a part of their education/training. When I have been able to order > food at this venue, it's been handled exceptionally well. > > Finally, I will add that the reason this problem has been such a HUGE > issue at this venue is due to the poor accessiblity to food markets. In > Paris, we just all shopped in the nice market in the venue. In > Philadelphia, there was Residence Inn next door and two Whole Foods > within walking distance - as a result I only had to eat at restaurants > twice and could easily bring my lunch from the hotel in my lunch cooler > if needed for lunch meetings or just pop back over to the hotel. > > Regards, > Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Dale Worley > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:02 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 05:12 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: >> Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if things > >> are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know >> this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be >> difficult. [...] > >> Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would hold >> a >> meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are really >> minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using basic >> ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. > > Everything I've heard about food service is that costs are dominated by > labor, not food per se. And of course, the more skilled the labor, the > more expensive it will be. At least, that holds in software > engineering, but I see no reason why food service would be different. > > Now maybe it *is* of minimal added cost to the venue to make these > provisions. Perhaps we should provide the venue a list of types and > numbers of specialized food and ask them what the additional price would > be? That could provide solid data. (OTOH, that would require prior > notification of the numbers of each dietary restriction -- can we get > solid enough commitments?) > > It sounds like proper prior information might be a way to solve this at > minimal cost. But again, gathering that information is labor-intensive, > must be done on-site, and requires someone who is sufficiently > competent, so that isn't going to be free, either. What is a good > method of accomplishing that? > > Now let me be clear, I'm not trying to argue for or against any > particular solution. I just want people to understand this isn't an > easy problem, and that we need to expend some care and effort to > construct a good solution, with attention paid to all the constraints. > If we spend our efforts just complaining that it *should be easy*, we > won't construct a workable solution, and the problem will keep > recurring. The only real evidence we have is that we haven't solved the > problem yet, which is pretty good evidence that there is no known > solution which works in practice. > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 05:50:15 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B5C3A68C9; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FC63A6AA8 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7FLbuvpXLD1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE833A68A2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:c148:b1dc:e1ba:3f5d] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:c148:b1dc:e1ba:3f5d]) (authenticated bits=0) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VCo0qZ000283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:50:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4891B4EC.1050307@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:49:48 +0200 From: Dirk Kutscher User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <4891AE43.5010606@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <4891AE43.5010606@tzi.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] offering a lift to the airport on Friday, 8.30 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org OK, all seats taken. Cheers, Dirk Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi, > > I will be going to the airport by car and can offer two seats. I will be > leaving the hotel on Friday at 8.30am. > > Contact me directly if you are interested. It's free BTW. > > Cheers, > > Dirk > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:01:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4453A68C9; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A44A3A68C9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.109, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8lIoxDpWOewT for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com (zcars04f.nortel.com [47.129.242.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3CD3A63EC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.72]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6VD0xY23889; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:00:59 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: Acjy/OO+ByreW30fQaycf2Ew3K/rwgABtiYgAAG91gIAABSBQA== References: From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" , "Dale Worley" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I would be happy to work with you to setup up a forum/mailing list or whatever so that we can cooperatively share information. I have a Yahoo group for my local support group and we could setup something similar collecting information for all the cities we visit (I do that anyways whenever I travel). There are resources no the Internet from which we can pull materials ahead of time. I do have a lot of knowledge, due to my own experiences and that of my children and I run a local food allergy/sensitivity support group (with medical/nutritional consultants). And, you are right about your FIL - most MDs have only a single course on nutrition - most know nothing. I honestly believe we could address all restrictions - one of my points is to be served only "plain" foods (i.e., any sauces/seasonings on the side, etc.). I have too many food restrictions to list or provide, so I always specify to prepare my food in as simple a manner as possible. For example, today, I got a plate with some nice baby lettuce, plain cooked chicken and carrots. All nicely and freshly prepared. My expectation in terms of IETF would be at least provide us the ability to get lunch - a small buffet of "safe" foods could be provided. It might get slightly boring BUT I would rather be bored than hungry (we also have diabetics that MUST eat regular healthy meals). We can certainly bring our own snacks or potentially hope there's a fruit we can eat. I'd also be willing to talk to vendors to get sample snacks for folks like us (many will do that for marketing). I'm not debating that IETF shouldn't ensure that there are quick, easy, SAD food for folks that don't have these issues. But, having a hotel make it very difficult to order from a menu isn't effective for those of us with dietary restrictions. Regards, Mary. --I will also make a side comment that if we were to host IETF meetings in a country or at a venue that did not allow or provide alcohol - telling everyone to just manage to bring in their own (and deal with airport security/customs that might not allow such for folks with particular preferences), I would imagine we'd have TREMENDOUSLY more discussion on this list :) -----Original Message----- From: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) [mailto:jonne.soininen@nsn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:41 AM To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); Dale Worley; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Hi everybody, I have some experience with allergies having being allergic for all my life, them getting worse in the last 8-9 years, noticing in the last 10-15 years how things that didn't use to be in some food, now is there, and having an allergic child. However, unlike Mary, I know absolutely nothing about nutrition. However, what I have noticed (after living in different countries) that all countries handle different food restrictions very differently. For instance Finland, the general knowledge of allergies is relatively high due the amount of allergies we have. However, the knowledge of religious food restrictions is very low. Countries that have relatively few allergies (and still relatively homogenous religious population) have absolutely no knowledge what so ever on any restrictions. My Italian father-in-law doesn't believe that allergies even really exist - and he is a doctor. He doesn't understand that he is not supposed to give things that my daughter cannot eat - even in small doses. People think I'm a snob not to eat some stuff, and they continue to tell me I could at least taste it to see if I like it. In US, there is quite a bit of knowledge for different food restrictions. However, people might not know what is actually in the food (trying to find out if something is done with sugar or corn syrup in a restaurant is according my experience practically impossible). I just wanted to show here that there are very different approaches to food restrictions in different countries. What seems to be easy, simple, or cheap in some countries, is not that easy in others. Also definitions of a restrictions are very different. I'm afraid that the IETF does not have the means to address these issues totally. We generally don't offer other food than the snacks during the breaks, and they try to please the general public of the IETF. It is clear we cannot please everybody. (I cannot ever eat the cookies during the breaks. There is always something there I'm allergic to.) I think the only solution is for us with food restrictions to help ourselves, and seek the IETF's and local host's help whenever it is available. We could have a group of volunteers and do a "food restrictions support group". E.g. We could have a Wiki page in the meeting.ietf.org where we could write out knowledge of the local food places, and we together could for instance organize drives to the local super market, if needed. Would people be interested in forming such formal group? Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 3:04 PM, "ext Mary Barnes" wrote: > Dale, > > Do you have food allergies or dietary restrictions? I've been dealing > with them for 5+ years, as well has having a vegetarian child and have > A LOT of experience in dealing with these issues. I know A LOT about > nutrition. I've attended conferences in the past that could cater to > the majority of us with these issues. I have many, many food restrictions. > The hotel here has been accomodating when I've been able to reach > staff to deal with this. These folks are professionals and when > they're informed, they know exactly how to meet needs. > > I have volunteered to help deal with the situation for future meetings > and think it's possible to have a very workable solution. > It should not difficult to query the information during registration. > I've done it for other conferences - I do it when I send my kids to > camp > - and I'd be happy to sort through it the information and work with AMS > and the venue to at least try to accommodate us. AFAIK, this has never > been attempted before. > > In terms of cost, if I can pay the same price for a YMCA/Campfire, etc. > camp for my kids to have their dietary restrictions accomodated, then > I think major hotels/conference venues for which we pay a premium for > service can accommodate us. Indeed, the chefs at such would likely be > insulted to hear that people don't believe they can do their jobs > -this is a part of their education/training. When I have been able to > order food at this venue, it's been handled exceptionally well. > > Finally, I will add that the reason this problem has been such a HUGE > issue at this venue is due to the poor accessiblity to food markets. > In Paris, we just all shopped in the nice market in the venue. In > Philadelphia, there was Residence Inn next door and two Whole Foods > within walking distance - as a result I only had to eat at restaurants > twice and could easily bring my lunch from the hotel in my lunch > cooler if needed for lunch meetings or just pop back over to the hotel. > > Regards, > Mary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Dale Worley > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:02 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 05:12 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: >> Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if >> things > >> are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know >> this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be >> difficult. [...] > >> Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would hold >> a >> meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are really >> minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using basic >> ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. > > Everything I've heard about food service is that costs are dominated > by labor, not food per se. And of course, the more skilled the labor, > the more expensive it will be. At least, that holds in software > engineering, but I see no reason why food service would be different. > > Now maybe it *is* of minimal added cost to the venue to make these > provisions. Perhaps we should provide the venue a list of types and > numbers of specialized food and ask them what the additional price > would be? That could provide solid data. (OTOH, that would require > prior notification of the numbers of each dietary restriction -- can > we get solid enough commitments?) > > It sounds like proper prior information might be a way to solve this > at minimal cost. But again, gathering that information is > labor-intensive, must be done on-site, and requires someone who is > sufficiently competent, so that isn't going to be free, either. What > is a good method of accomplishing that? > > Now let me be clear, I'm not trying to argue for or against any > particular solution. I just want people to understand this isn't an > easy problem, and that we need to expend some care and effort to > construct a good solution, with attention paid to all the constraints. > If we spend our efforts just complaining that it *should be easy*, we > won't construct a workable solution, and the problem will keep > recurring. The only real evidence we have is that we haven't solved > the problem yet, which is pretty good evidence that there is no known > solution which works in practice. > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:24:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BE93A6C4B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CA63A6C63 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id guuRkwnBeWEw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (serrano.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F314A3A6783 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.238] ([130.129.19.238]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6VDO9Is009040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:08 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 128.59.29.6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org There are some simple "best practices" that some venues have already done and that could be "standardized", such as always providing fruit (and yoghurt) at breaks and making sure that non-obvious food items (such as at the Sunday reception) are labeled. My personal allergy is peanuts, where labeling goes a long way. In Dublin, many restaurants seem to manage this reasonably well. (I think the Hilton chain seems to do this as a matter of corporate practice for buffets.) The restaurant I visited last night had menu labels of N (for "contains nuts") and C ("suitable for celiac") and V ("vegetarian"). The Google cafeteria seems to have a whole set of symbols that work in a mass-feeding environment. I'm probably a bit naive on this, but simply providing the hosting hotel with appropriate hints could go a long way. In some cities, there are now meal/food ordering services, such as FreshDirect in NYC. In other cities, some grocery stores deliver food for a reasonable charge. In NYC, you can probably have any kind of restaurant food delivered. A bit of exploration by a few volunteers, including working with the hotel on drop-off arrangements, can make things easier for everyone. Henning On Jul 31, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I have some experience with allergies having being allergic for all > my life, > them getting worse in the last 8-9 years, noticing in the last 10-15 > years > how things that didn't use to be in some food, now is there, and > having an > allergic child. However, unlike Mary, I know absolutely nothing about > nutrition. > > However, what I have noticed (after living in different countries) > that all > countries handle different food restrictions very differently. For > instance > Finland, the general knowledge of allergies is relatively high due the > amount of allergies we have. However, the knowledge of religious food > restrictions is very low. Countries that have relatively few > allergies (and > still relatively homogenous religious population) have absolutely no > knowledge what so ever on any restrictions. My Italian father-in-law > doesn't > believe that allergies even really exist - and he is a doctor. He > doesn't > understand that he is not supposed to give things that my daughter > cannot > eat - even in small doses. People think I'm a snob not to eat some > stuff, > and they continue to tell me I could at least taste it to see if I > like it. > > In US, there is quite a bit of knowledge for different food > restrictions. > However, people might not know what is actually in the food (trying > to find > out if something is done with sugar or corn syrup in a restaurant is > according my experience practically impossible). > > I just wanted to show here that there are very different approaches > to food > restrictions in different countries. What seems to be easy, simple, > or cheap > in some countries, is not that easy in others. Also definitions of a > restrictions are very different. > > I'm afraid that the IETF does not have the means to address these > issues > totally. We generally don't offer other food than the snacks during > the > breaks, and they try to please the general public of the IETF. It is > clear > we cannot please everybody. (I cannot ever eat the cookies during the > breaks. There is always something there I'm allergic to.) > > I think the only solution is for us with food restrictions to help > ourselves, and seek the IETF's and local host's help whenever it is > available. We could have a group of volunteers and do a "food > restrictions > support group". E.g. We could have a Wiki page in the > meeting.ietf.org where > we could write out knowledge of the local food places, and we > together could > for instance organize drives to the local super market, if needed. > > Would people be interested in forming such formal group? > > Cheers, > > Jonne. > > > > > On 7/31/08 3:04 PM, "ext Mary Barnes" wrote: > >> Dale, >> >> Do you have food allergies or dietary restrictions? I've been >> dealing >> with them for 5+ years, as well has having a vegetarian child and >> have A >> LOT of experience in dealing with these issues. I know A LOT about >> nutrition. I've attended conferences in the past that could cater >> to the >> majority of us with these issues. I have many, many food >> restrictions. >> The hotel here has been accomodating when I've been able to reach >> staff >> to deal with this. These folks are professionals and when they're >> informed, they know exactly how to meet needs. >> >> I have volunteered to help deal with the situation for future >> meetings >> and think it's possible to have a very workable solution. >> It should not difficult to query the information during registration. >> I've done it for other conferences - I do it when I send my kids to >> camp >> - and I'd be happy to sort through it the information and work >> with AMS >> and the venue to at least try to accommodate us. AFAIK, this has >> never >> been attempted before. >> >> In terms of cost, if I can pay the same price for a YMCA/Campfire, >> etc. >> camp for my kids to have their dietary restrictions accomodated, >> then I >> think major hotels/conference venues for which we pay a premium for >> service can accommodate us. Indeed, the chefs at such would likely be >> insulted to hear that people don't believe they can do their jobs - >> this >> is a part of their education/training. When I have been able to order >> food at this venue, it's been handled exceptionally well. >> >> Finally, I will add that the reason this problem has been such a HUGE >> issue at this venue is due to the poor accessiblity to food >> markets. In >> Paris, we just all shopped in the nice market in the venue. In >> Philadelphia, there was Residence Inn next door and two Whole Foods >> within walking distance - as a result I only had to eat at >> restaurants >> twice and could easily bring my lunch from the hotel in my lunch >> cooler >> if needed for lunch meetings or just pop back over to the hotel. >> >> Regards, >> Mary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> ] >> On Behalf Of Dale Worley >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:02 AM >> To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions >> >> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 05:12 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: >>> Dealing with our dietary restrictions isn't at all difficult if >>> things >> >>> are properly planned in advance. All of us that deal with this know >>> this, but getting the info individually ahead of a meeting can be >>> difficult. [...] >> >>> Any decent chef (available at virtually any venue where we would >>> hold >>> a >>> meeting) is trained in dealing with all of this. The costs are >>> really >>> minimal, as in most cases it involves leaving out things, using >>> basic >>> ingredients and fresh foods that don't require a lot of prep. >> >> Everything I've heard about food service is that costs are >> dominated by >> labor, not food per se. And of course, the more skilled the labor, >> the >> more expensive it will be. At least, that holds in software >> engineering, but I see no reason why food service would be different. >> >> Now maybe it *is* of minimal added cost to the venue to make these >> provisions. Perhaps we should provide the venue a list of types and >> numbers of specialized food and ask them what the additional price >> would >> be? That could provide solid data. (OTOH, that would require prior >> notification of the numbers of each dietary restriction -- can we get >> solid enough commitments?) >> >> It sounds like proper prior information might be a way to solve >> this at >> minimal cost. But again, gathering that information is labor- >> intensive, >> must be done on-site, and requires someone who is sufficiently >> competent, so that isn't going to be free, either. What is a good >> method of accomplishing that? >> >> Now let me be clear, I'm not trying to argue for or against any >> particular solution. I just want people to understand this isn't an >> easy problem, and that we need to expend some care and effort to >> construct a good solution, with attention paid to all the >> constraints. >> If we spend our efforts just complaining that it *should be easy*, we >> won't construct a workable solution, and the problem will keep >> recurring. The only real evidence we have is that we haven't >> solved the >> problem yet, which is pretty good evidence that there is no known >> solution which works in practice. >> >> Dale >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > -- > Jonne Soininen > Nokia Siemens Networks > > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:25:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9693A6C78; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834963A6C6E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-87mOSKnW35 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-in03.nouzelle.com (mx-in01.nouzelle.com [87.119.194.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C603A67AE for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com (internal02.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.13]) by mx-in03.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B761040B83A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:21:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.local [172.29.32.10]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EB92AC5CE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:23:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nouzelle.com Received: from internal02.nouzelle.com ([172.29.32.13]) by mailscan.nouzelle.com (mailscan.nouzelle.com [172.29.32.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 6IrCKuHMu8iZ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ArnoudMobile (prod01.pvpn.iad.witopia.net [38.119.98.205]) by internal02.nouzelle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0906C2AC5DA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:22:54 +0200 (CEST) From: "Arnoud van Wijk" To: "'Stephane Bortzmeyer'" , "'Mike McBride \(mmcbride\)'" References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> <47951CBFA6409B4C8916514FCB05BFBE04A1A6D7@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> <20080731104239.GA26816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20080731104239.GA26816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:22:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c8f310$8d1fffd0$a75fff70$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjy/WN/abZUNZfaQHyNa9d00WTJ2AAExQdQ Content-Language: nl Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Is it not that we are just getting taller? :-) -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: donderdag 31 juli 2008 11:43 To: Mike McBride (mmcbride) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:48:19AM -0700, Mike McBride (mmcbride) wrote a message of 38 lines which said: > It's a subtle hint that we all need to cut down on the donuts and beer. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2716768371_6b9d19083c_o.jpg _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:30:00 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A92E3A6834; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6823A67AE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7b7iDb3UJB6K for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFB63A6971 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12308968; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:29:38 -0400 Message-Id: <6096C0BC-798C-4108-9C8A-EDB06821E3DB@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: "Arnoud van Wijk" In-Reply-To: <000301c8f310$8d1fffd0$a75fff70$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:29:36 -0400 References: <48907800.2000407@att.com> <7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com> <47951CBFA6409B4C8916514FCB05BFBE04A1A6D7@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> <20080731104239.GA26816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <000301c8f310$8d1fffd0$a75fff70$@vanwijk@realtimetext.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The universe is expanding and so, unfortunately, are we. Regards Marshall On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Arnoud van Wijk wrote: > Is it not that we are just getting taller? :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > ] On > Behalf Of Stephane Bortzmeyer > Sent: donderdag 31 juli 2008 11:43 > To: Mike McBride (mmcbride) > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:48:19AM -0700, > Mike McBride (mmcbride) wrote > a message of 38 lines which said: > >> It's a subtle hint that we all need to cut down on the donuts and >> beer. > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2716768371_6b9d19083c_o.jpg > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:40:23 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B282528C1AB; 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Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:39:34 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4891C091.3030307@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:39:29 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henning Schulzrinne References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7898/Thu Jul 31 06:42:41 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Henning Schulzrinne wrote: >suitable for celiac Maybe I'm not clear on something but I've recieved potatoes with virtually every meal so I'm not so I'm a little unclear the challenge posed by a gluten intolerance in this particular location. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:48:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783FA3A6938; 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Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:46 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4891C091.3030307@bogus.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: AcjzE2DW/z4J//QDSAGUU7Y7Ho6WYgAADpdQ References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> <4891C091.3030307@bogus.com> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Joel Jaeggli" , "Henning Schulzrinne" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I can't eat potatoes (many of us have multiple food allergies) and potatos don't provide much protein. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:39 AM To: Henning Schulzrinne Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Henning Schulzrinne wrote: >suitable for celiac Maybe I'm not clear on something but I've recieved potatoes with virtually every meal so I'm not so I'm a little unclear the challenge posed by a gluten intolerance in this particular location. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 06:55:17 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63523A6A3F; 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31 Jul 2008 13:54:13 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VDsDIU010372 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:54:13 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp01 (sjc-vpn5-1269.cisco.com [10.21.92.245]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VDsCBZ029796 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:54:13 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:54:11 +0100 Message-ID: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjzFOkE+cvuZkrcTGSpQWjiZ1yhvA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=728; t=1217512453; x=1218376453; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20Red=20Bull=20and=20espresso |Sender:=20; bh=BBomQK6kkTGUWhJuABme72t/0A4ElqHC54/0QIVACXU=; b=A0PXU970PG3wnAd/SB/+JMm9XcAE77zqb80ON18IgBfrLALkGxVC1tLFad qu5UkELR1uLY98IOe4wbStiC/KbUz0pHp0AvD0XCfqGu79Z8gwKo5Ni6b5X5 FZhF4EZsbM; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the drinks: I appreciate the availability of caffeine in the form of Red Bull. Ireland is famous for its poor-quality coffee and with the meetings out here in the sticks, I was worried about staying awake with jet lag. So, thanks for the Red Bull! The IETF might consider looking into having an espresso stand where there isn't a shop within walking distance (Dublin, our last Dallas meeting) -- we had a lot of IETFers visiteing the Intelligensia coffee shop in Chicago and the queue length at the Starbucks in Vancouver. From a friend-of-a-friend (hmm, transitive trust?), I understand 100 drinks covers the day's costs on a mobile coffee cart. -d _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:00:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CA33A6983; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1050F3A6983 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1S5sMitZUQQy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB26A3A6C75 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.249] (dhcp-130-129-23-249.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.23.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VDxd1J059683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:59:41 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4891C548.3000302@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:59:36 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mary Barnes References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> <4891C091.3030307@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/7898/Thu Jul 31 06:42:41 2008 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Mary Barnes wrote: > I can't eat potatoes (many of us have multiple food allergies) and > potatos don't provide much protein. It would necessarily follow that ordinary celiac dietary limitations wouldn't be useful to you either. > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:39 AM > To: Henning Schulzrinne > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > >> suitable for celiac > > Maybe I'm not clear on something but I've recieved potatoes with > virtually every meal so I'm not so I'm a little unclear the challenge > posed by a gluten intolerance in this particular location. > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:02:13 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABC73A6C75; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDCC3A6C49 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:02:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4xbQSS3DRws for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F9F3A6C75 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,286,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="137610115" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:00:58 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,286,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="247785162" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:00:58 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:56 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso Thread-Index: AcjzFOkE+cvuZkrcTGSpQWjiZ1yhvAAAKPdw References: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Dan Wing" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I second this. BTW - I used to get a couple espressos to go from the bar in the hotel lobby at this meeting, with surprisingly mixed results, some were good, some were as the legend says. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dan Wing > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:54 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso > > Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the > drinks: I appreciate the availability of caffeine in the > form of Red Bull. Ireland is famous for its poor-quality > coffee and with the meetings out here in the sticks, I was > worried about staying awake with jet lag. So, thanks for the > Red Bull! > > The IETF might consider looking into having an espresso stand > where there isn't a shop within walking distance (Dublin, our > last Dallas meeting) -- we had a lot of IETFers visiteing the > Intelligensia coffee shop in Chicago and the queue length at > the Starbucks in Vancouver. From a friend-of-a-friend (hmm, > transitive trust?), I understand 100 drinks covers the day's > costs on a mobile coffee cart. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:21:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB363A6923; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687793A6923 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.825, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jy3DaYCWEdap for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7473A6834 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73602 ([130.129.23.81]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KOYvc2xYS-0004Q0; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <05d101c8f317$e8ba25d0$51178182@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu><4891C091.3030307@bogus.com> <4891C548.3000302@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ASrHPBUfzAvb8DOEMWIGW+FxWxP6AMy6TFBJ BaI38EWuo3M8b1fbsPTTDFL6ga3fpAtiujlOa7LLOb+JFUv9Z2 1qK8oEQl87gpTowLIDmQCsCvT3JVwnkU5w7Vn2Mco0= Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I saw a spectacularly helpful note from Jonne (and Mary thought it was the right answer) suggesting that the people who are affected work together to figure out what needs to happen. Let's wait for at least one IETF cycle and see if this is sufficient, and then reopen the thread if it's not. OK? Spencer _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:22:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912173A6A60; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8A83A6999 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QBpHnIvtUqAW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63673A6834 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3D0DC206F3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ae198bb000004ec0-dc-4891ca99d043 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1CD582013E for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:22:16 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([159.107.197.237]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:22:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4891AAB5.9010703@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:06:13 +0200 From: Balazs Lengyel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <8D8BF89F-5D2A-46BB-9C19-AB5DBB1AB245@iol.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <8D8BF89F-5D2A-46BB-9C19-AB5DBB1AB245@iol.unh.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 14:22:16.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[D580ECA0:01C8F318] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [72attendees] Taxi sharing Saturday early X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello, Anyone interested in sharing a Taxi to Dublin airport Saturday before the first bus (about 5.30 AM)? Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Tel: +36-1-437-7320 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:29:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10113A6C34; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461C03A6C34 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AW6nu7RKSDRy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C1D3A6783 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="59923281" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:29:02 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VET2fv015290; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:29:02 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.21.74.228]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VET0QD024836; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:01 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Henning Schulzrinne'" , "'Soininen Jonne \(NSN FI/Espoo\)'" References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:29:00 +0100 Message-ID: <0b2b01c8f319$c727b7a0$3675150a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjzENWtcb8DgR1/TfS2vdjgkQomBQAB+nLQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=919; t=1217514542; x=1218378542; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Dietary=20restrictions |Sender:=20; bh=ZJJ7WRv8TnizV0IhpzN5OcQQxlVNnF4dCuN1XZmmwCM=; b=SMQu6g5dHdToS6+trk/m6Q9j745UfoMPQk0ARf2PjkjyIUJoNHW8Ti62+t YXy6AeLoAl77zSMktvzoX7dXcICqzdHvC9Oy1ObUis3HnyB04oRo/kzV1OoW 6ZXUtvCxaF; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Henning wrote: > The restaurant I visited last night had menu labels of N > (for "contains nuts") and C ("suitable for celiac") and V > ("vegetarian"). Even outside of Dublin I found many restaurants here in Ireland list celiac and vegetarian options on their menus. So there is certainly an awareness of dietary restrictions here -- more of a than my experience with similar class restaurants in the US or Canada. I agree that the IETF should make the hotel staff aware of religious and dietary restrictions of our attendees -- for all we know, we might not just be the geekiest meeting they have ever seen, but we might also be the most diverse. This is especially important at remote sites like Dublin, where it isn't possible to choose from a nearby restaurant. But perhaps when attendees learn of the remote location, they could bring it up on the main IETF mailing list. -d _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:40:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8933A6C34; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F416E3A6C37 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id INdmH9cYo55d for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hello I am looking for a second CAcert assurer at the hotel today, I already met Jakob S but I think i need a second assurer. /John _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:41:19 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B03A6C77; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9863A6839 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pUEXwRnD1neN for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've gone ahead and setup a doodle to determine the number of folks impacted and the sorts of things that are restricted: http://www.doodle.ch/yih8zhd2k9mxys6b I do plan on renting a car when I arrive in Minneapolis to get my food for the week and I'll be shopping on Sat. (time TBD) at Whole Foods. If you're interested in going with me, let me know (FCFS) offline. In addition, if folks have a few items they'd like me to pick up for them, I'd be happy to do so. I will send just a single reminder on this topic when the IETF-73 list is setup, as I do realize for a number of you all, this discussion is just annoying. Also, if folks could contact me offline, I'm happy to coordinate setting up some other form of communication for us. Regards, Mary. -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:16 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions I saw a spectacularly helpful note from Jonne (and Mary thought it was the right answer) suggesting that the people who are affected work together to figure out what needs to happen. Let's wait for at least one IETF cycle and see if this is sufficient, and then reopen the thread if it's not. OK? Spencer _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:44:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F0B3A6CA0; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57B53A6C34 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.595, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id es3Z2cYix39y for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail203.messagelabs.com (mail203.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B03A6C6B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-203.messagelabs.com!1217515453!14604558!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.54] Received: (qmail 10541 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.54) by server-10.tower-203.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VEiVbf008086 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:31 -0400 Received: from alph001.aldc.att.com (alph001.aldc.att.com [135.53.7.26]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VEiTF1008056 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:29 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alph001.aldc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VEiT67024759 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:29 -0400 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alph001.aldc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VEiQnJ024227 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:26 -0400 Received: from [135.210.99.10] (unknown[135.210.99.10](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20080731144425gw1003sn0ke> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:44:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4891CFC7.6090809@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:44:23 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org And thanks for the diet cokes!!! There was a dearth of those earlier in the week. Dan Wing wrote: > Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the drinks: I > appreciate the availability of caffeine in the form of Red Bull. Ireland is > famous for its poor-quality coffee and with the meetings out here in the > sticks, I was worried about staying awake with jet lag. So, thanks for the > Red Bull! _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:44:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FC33A6CCE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546CF3A6CA0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tpnpACFFm97U for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571313A6C77 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="137620563" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:44:44 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="247839174" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:44:43 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:44:01 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: AcjzGMBD1XgKUMDcQKSYhuw7fLOjiAAALhOgAACVNYA= References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu><4891C091.3030307@bogus.com><4891C548.3000302@bogus.com><05d101c8f317$e8ba25d0$51178182@china.huawei.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Mary Barnes" , "Spencer Dawkins" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org FWIW - shopping on Saturday is something that most people eating kosher would not do. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:35 PM > To: Spencer Dawkins; 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > I've gone ahead and setup a doodle to determine the number of > folks impacted and the sorts of things that are restricted: > http://www.doodle.ch/yih8zhd2k9mxys6b > > I do plan on renting a car when I arrive in Minneapolis to > get my food for the week and I'll be shopping on Sat. (time > TBD) at Whole Foods. If you're interested in going with me, > let me know (FCFS) offline. In addition, if folks have a few > items they'd like me to pick up for them, I'd be happy to do > so. I will send just a single reminder on this topic when the > IETF-73 list is setup, as I do realize for a number of you > all, this discussion is just annoying. > > Also, if folks could contact me offline, I'm happy to > coordinate setting up some other form of communication for us. > > Regards, > Mary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:16 AM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > I saw a spectacularly helpful note from Jonne (and Mary > thought it was the right answer) suggesting that the people > who are affected work together to figure out what needs to happen. > > Let's wait for at least one IETF cycle and see if this is > sufficient, and then reopen the thread if it's not. > > OK? > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:51:37 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63CF3A67EC; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABA53A67EC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.836 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.836 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDd5UgP7MkrV for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isrexch01.israel.polycom.com (fw.polycom.co.il [212.179.41.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081CB3A67BD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:51:23 +0300 Message-ID: <144ED8561CE90C41A3E5908EDECE315C05D2B8FA@IsrExch01.israel.polycom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-index: AcjzGMBD1XgKUMDcQKSYhuw7fLOjiAAALhOgAACVNYAAADH0wA== References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu><4891C091.3030307@bogus.com><4891C548.3000302@bogus.com><05d101c8f317$e8ba25d0$51178182@china.huawei.com> From: "Even, Roni" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "Mary Barnes" , "Spencer Dawkins" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dan, Mary offered to buy for them, and I think that people who eat Kosher can have Mary buy them the food on Saturday. Roni Even > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:44 PM > To: Mary Barnes; Spencer Dawkins; 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > FWIW - shopping on Saturday is something that most people eating kosher > would not do. > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:35 PM > > To: Spencer Dawkins; 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > > > I've gone ahead and setup a doodle to determine the number of > > folks impacted and the sorts of things that are restricted: > > http://www.doodle.ch/yih8zhd2k9mxys6b > > > > I do plan on renting a car when I arrive in Minneapolis to > > get my food for the week and I'll be shopping on Sat. (time > > TBD) at Whole Foods. If you're interested in going with me, > > let me know (FCFS) offline. In addition, if folks have a few > > items they'd like me to pick up for them, I'd be happy to do > > so. I will send just a single reminder on this topic when the > > IETF-73 list is setup, as I do realize for a number of you > > all, this discussion is just annoying. > > > > Also, if folks could contact me offline, I'm happy to > > coordinate setting up some other form of communication for us. > > > > Regards, > > Mary. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:16 AM > > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > > > I saw a spectacularly helpful note from Jonne (and Mary > > thought it was the right answer) suggesting that the people > > who are affected work together to figure out what needs to happen. > > > > Let's wait for at least one IETF cycle and see if this is > > sufficient, and then reopen the thread if it's not. > > > > OK? > > > > Spencer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:52:25 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FEE3A6BFF; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:52:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CED13A6BFF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0Txa2goyyha for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D418F3A6A78 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="137621806" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:51:37 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="240922209" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:51:37 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:51:35 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <144ED8561CE90C41A3E5908EDECE315C05D2B8FA@IsrExch01.israel.polycom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions Thread-Index: AcjzGMBD1XgKUMDcQKSYhuw7fLOjiAAALhOgAACVNYAAADH0wAAAEcAg References: <90A684D2-AD5F-4116-B03C-F74287BD4492@cs.columbia.edu><4891C091.3030307@bogus.com><4891C548.3000302@bogus.com><05d101c8f317$e8ba25d0$51178182@china.huawei.com> <144ED8561CE90C41A3E5908EDECE315C05D2B8FA@IsrExch01.israel.polycom.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Even, Roni" , "Mary Barnes" , "Spencer Dawkins" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org OK, this would be fine I think. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Even, Roni [mailto:roni.even@polycom.co.il] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:51 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Mary Barnes; Spencer Dawkins; > 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > Dan, > Mary offered to buy for them, and I think that people who eat > Kosher can have Mary buy them the food on Saturday. > > > Roni Even > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees- > > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:44 PM > > To: Mary Barnes; Spencer Dawkins; 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > > > FWIW - shopping on Saturday is something that most people eating > kosher > > would not do. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:35 PM > > > To: Spencer Dawkins; 72attendees@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > > > > > I've gone ahead and setup a doodle to determine the > number of folks > > > impacted and the sorts of things that are restricted: > > > http://www.doodle.ch/yih8zhd2k9mxys6b > > > > > > I do plan on renting a car when I arrive in Minneapolis to get my > > > food for the week and I'll be shopping on Sat. (time > > > TBD) at Whole Foods. If you're interested in going with > me, let me > > > know (FCFS) offline. In addition, if folks have a few > items they'd > > > like me to pick up for them, I'd be happy to do so. I > will send just > > > a single reminder on this topic when the > > > IETF-73 list is setup, as I do realize for a number of > you all, this > > > discussion is just annoying. > > > > > > Also, if folks could contact me offline, I'm happy to coordinate > > > setting up some other form of communication for us. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mary. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > > > On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:16 AM > > > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Dietary restrictions > > > > > > I saw a spectacularly helpful note from Jonne (and Mary > thought it > > > was the right answer) suggesting that the people who are affected > > > work together to figure out what needs to happen. > > > > > > Let's wait for at least one IETF cycle and see if this is > > > sufficient, and then reopen the thread if it's not. > > > > > > OK? > > > > > > Spencer > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 72attendees mailing list > > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 72attendees mailing list > > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 08:02:18 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457DD28C128; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDE828C133; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwlTKpEbguyx; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail200.messagelabs.com (mail200.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C228C147; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:02:15 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: jgunn6@csc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-200.messagelabs.com!1217516508!11936784!2 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [20.137.2.87] Received: (qmail 4713 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from amer-mta101.csc.com (HELO amer-mta101.csc.com) (20.137.2.87) by server-5.tower-200.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 15:01:49 -0000 Received: from amer-gw09.amer.csc.com (amer-gw09.amer.csc.com [20.6.39.245]) by amer-mta101.csc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.0) with ESMTP id m6VF2418002819; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:02:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> To: "Dan Wing" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Janet P Gunn Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:01:59 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 07/31/2008 11:04:57 AM, Serialize complete at 07/31/2008 11:04:57 AM Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Subject: [72attendees] TEA Re: Red Bull and espresso X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0612935849==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0612935849== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005293AD85257497_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005293AD85257497_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On the other hand, the TEA at this IETF meeting is infinitely superior to the tea at every other IETF meeting I have attended. Not a horrid Lipton teabag in sight! Janet 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/31/2008 09:54:11 AM: > Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the drinks: I > appreciate the availability of caffeine in the form of Red Bull. Ireland is > famous for its poor-quality coffee and with the meetings out here in the > sticks, I was worried about staying awake with jet lag. So, thanks for the > Red Bull! > > The IETF might consider looking into having an espresso stand where there > isn't a shop within walking distance (Dublin, our last Dallas meeting) -- we > had a lot of IETFers visiteing the Intelligensia coffee shop in Chicago and > the queue length at the Starbucks in Vancouver. From a friend-of-a-friend > (hmm, transitive trust?), I understand 100 drinks covers the day's costs on a > mobile coffee cart. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --=_alternative 005293AD85257497_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
On the other hand, the TEA at this IETF meeting is infinitely superior to the tea at every other IETF meeting I have attended.

Not a horrid Lipton teabag in sight!

Janet

72attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/31/2008 09:54:11 AM:

> Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the drinks:  I
> appreciate the availability of caffeine in the form of Red Bull.  Ireland is
> famous for its poor-quality coffee and with the meetings out here in the
> sticks, I was worried about staying awake with jet lag.  So, thanks for the
> Red Bull!
>
> The IETF might consider looking into having an espresso stand where there
> isn't a shop within walking distance (Dublin, our last Dallas meeting) -- we
> had a lot of IETFers visiteing the Intelligensia coffee shop in Chicago and
> the queue length at the Starbucks in Vancouver.  From a friend-of-a-friend
> (hmm, transitive trust?), I understand 100 drinks covers the day's costs on a
> mobile coffee cart.
>
> -d
>
> _______________________________________________
> 72attendees mailing list
> 72attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
 --=_alternative 005293AD85257497_=-- --===============0612935849== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0612935849==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 08:16:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3731B3A6BFF; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:16:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1814E3A6BFF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ErZ-zfWeXHkX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D673A69CA for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="91590217" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 15:14:30 +0000 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VFEUg3004134; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:14:30 -0700 Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VFEUbo000610; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:14:30 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> Message-ID: References: <0b0701c8f314$ea11a6e0$3675150a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=954; t=1217517270; x=1218381270; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; z=From:=20Ole=20Jacobsen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Red=20Bull=20and=20espr esso |Sender:=20; bh=2/GEATtfWMmDnlwBI3JSd6Xsj+2d/jRllnOXVtOE2Oo=; b=SzNF+OZ4UDNRN/7RemZLfC5UhAfpKkICuXQ0EQc58YL6wnm1PLrvVvKBel i1yPc6bOqiZXKbGzB/48h0EjCKUTu6kLwlMYwxMTQ9nGe0x5ySu2g8A9tbU5 p0Ej9Pu56M; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=ole@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Red Bull and espresso X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I had expresso every day in the hotel restaurant for breakfast at no extra cost and it was excellent. I do like the idea of a coffee cart! Ole On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Dan Wing wrote: > Amid the complaints about the food, let me say thanks for the drinks: I > appreciate the availability of caffeine in the form of Red Bull. Ireland is > famous for its poor-quality coffee and with the meetings out here in the > sticks, I was worried about staying awake with jet lag. So, thanks for the > Red Bull! > > The IETF might consider looking into having an espresso stand where there > isn't a shop within walking distance (Dublin, our last Dallas meeting) -- we > had a lot of IETFers visiteing the Intelligensia coffee shop in Chicago and > the queue length at the Starbucks in Vancouver. From a friend-of-a-friend > (hmm, transitive trust?), I understand 100 drinks covers the day's costs on a > mobile coffee cart. > > -d > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:04:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F11A3A6CCD; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50DC3A6C6F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.369, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_ALMOST_IP=1.889, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_EQ_STATIC=1.172, HOST_EQ_STATICIP=1.511, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bdw6Ca67di5f for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.com (160.Red-217-126-187.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.187.160]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A8B3A6CD5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142]) by consulintel.com (consulintel.com) (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50000216553.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:20 +0200 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217523541; x=1218128341; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=KHLg22SfEA5ZTr wENwiayZJJr//pA8xARjMvK3WnBtv1kA4zo/B/LhbTtRk2mPuNCEMiT7nqiRR0v+ nE7HjXc4pSfyccBiSim6O7eAEafs4iIbUNU4wvpZNkpyPQbkLQutgXbPtYZ/fiWk jcveHFh//Dzv1feHanuktZF/xf1fE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=Qx88tHsEUnKbu8Hmda5kWc7HIMa9zaT6WAUS0tGhBeNbz3CJpkfHWD15Wjo9/w0V6/ga+DldQbdy5f+hSxlqnAlRlwpaTTNr+SVpY5OGLqA3s8pSJ/ck46nluZNkbKRtc5wO3zhkeKQQk9qOg3+YO9c51eU1LrZ8Xk09dAAg7h4=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002989550.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:59:00 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:59:47 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Thread-Index: AcjzJnSQUgNK5YVyek+rfVmv1e3EPQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080731:72attendees@ietf.org::4DuyZEgP33DCMy7B:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004WRL X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:59:01 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:59:01 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.com, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:20 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 213.172.48.142 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.com, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:02:24 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall in some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are required. Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registration on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry it is too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to the plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because the original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy", so we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "sorry, if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, otherwise, better don't do it". This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, but L or XL definitively not. I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. Regards, Jordi > From: Marcia Beaulieu > Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 > To: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up > > The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, > 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent > desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. > > There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. > > Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. > > Regards, > > Alcatel-Lucent > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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The air breathes like soup in the plenary, and we haven't even started yet. I think we need the A/C despite the noise. Iljitsch _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:10:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0410228C1AB; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315B53A6B5D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ji-ptfyOrCMa for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.ams.gblxint.com (unknown-230-det.globalcrossing.com [64.208.159.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA06D28C1D0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w3uspdyvs212.ams.gblxint.com (w3uspdyvs212.ams.gblxint.com [10.60.54.213]) by mailsrv.ams.gblxint.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07BE9F98; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from w3ussfj136.ams.gblxint.com ([10.10.63.29]) by w3uspdyvs212.ams.gblxint.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:08:46 -0400 Received: from EVS10.ams.gblxint.com ([10.10.63.53]) by w3ussfj136.ams.gblxint.com ([10.10.63.29]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:08:45 -0400 From: "Uzelac, Adam" To: Roque Gagliano , "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:08:42 -0400 Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 Thread-Index: Acjw4x6OyyMPIeMtQf69PB8QRetxjACRIoEQ Message-ID: <4DAE5E60BA49D8419D7C8832503F5FFC072817B7F0@EVS10.ams.gblxint.com> References: <4FCB5FCD-8B76-4563-BDF1-E1A45285ED56@lacnic.net> <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02605C12035@ftrdmel2> <8B617D7B-3874-4CBB-96F5-878AEA740C84@lacnic.net> <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <7E8DF97A-11AC-4E88-9991-0402E6655264@lacnic.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 16:08:46.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[B626CF50:01C8F327] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.500.1027-16066.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--50.126600-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1294123522==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1294123522== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4DAE5E60BA49D8419D7C8832503F5FFC072817B7F0EVS10amsgblxi_" --_000_4DAE5E60BA49D8419D7C8832503F5FFC072817B7F0EVS10amsgblxi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rain or shine? I am game for fun either way. Adam From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Roque Gagliano Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:52 PM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 Hi, The game on thursday night is definitely happening, the rest of the options= look like may need more participants. We will meet at the field at 7:30pm on thursday. regards, Roque On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: Hi, We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the games (thanks Marcia= ). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe that game will = move forward. I also added the morning possibility in doodle as someone asked me if that = was a possibility. Roque On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote: ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I will check = with the hotel staff about the admin issues. r. http://www.doodle.ch/zgb76y6d6dqxy8mr On Jul 27, 2008, at 2:20 PM, > > wrote: +1 -----Message d'origine----- De : 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roque Gagliano Envoy=E9 : dimanche 27 juillet 2008 15:11 =C0 : 72attendees@ietf.org Objet : [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 People, As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer field at the hotel so I was wondering if we have quorum for a late soccer game wed or thursday after the plenaries as the sun light is still with us until late. 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Rain or shine?=A0 I am game for fun either way.

 

Adam

 

From: 72attendees-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roque Gagliano Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:52 PM
To: 72attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer Game at IETF 72<= /p>

 

Hi,

 

The game on thursday night is definitely happening, th= e rest of the options look like may need more participants.

 

We will meet at the field at 7:30pm on thursday.<= /o:p>

 

regards,

Roque

 

On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote:



Hi,

 

We have the ok from the hotel managers to organize the= games (thanks Marcia). We have 12 people for the Thursday evening, so I believe t= hat game will move forward.

 

I also added the morning possibility in doodle as some= one asked me if that was a possibility.

 

Roque

 

 

 

On Jul 27, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Roque Gagliano wrote:



ok I generated a poll so people can subscribe to the games... I will check with the hotel staff  about the admin issues.

r.

 

 

 



+1


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As you may have notice there is a wonderful soccer fie= ld at

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Roque

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--_000_4DAE5E60BA49D8419D7C8832503F5FFC072817B7F0EVS10amsgblxi_-- --===============1294123522== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1294123522==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:11:56 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D518B3A6C31; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0986928C1B1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.805, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ziji2XMz4dFb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAEA3A6C31 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217524185; x=1218128985; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Mime-version:Content-type: Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=pc4phbzX6n/6x18zb8ziO7sSJqV qeEsWoiV5/MvQZ2Qs8nQHu6sPc0RIVJDn2IrzdMDJWPzZI0pvNaBnKCjbnoIwj3L GJsOMeTu5bxuYe9slhiQ+7saTssQVCbyzucbR7KY0FtKIvslr5qsuLraoVMzQ2KI awXxa3yUpnrJaW1Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=X0mQjW/vYVftImwCs0LqvvL+peUUZtCAAXt1FskRoiFzeof8pXQ4BK0s2bQjn4yRLE4Bq74f007HSV1jBzjoogtLI6izt3bZzzLMT1XYr0ffsAJZdtpLrOLZPUyrL2crB25bm+iff+yWWKznpCR9ipAuGi2P7DTwFJ+27EKnpKk=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002989571.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:09:44 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:10:33 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A couple of extra complains about the hotel Thread-Index: AcjzJ/WcQYzfMhs/8Eem+LMLd6TBEw== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080731:72attendees@ietf.org::t19uWkAYDBriDsOw:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004xSp X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.21.7 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:09:45 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:09:45 +0200 Subject: [72attendees] A couple of extra complains about the hotel X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This morning at lunch time, when I tried to get some tap water, I was told by the hotel staff that I need to order a bottle. I really think is unacceptable. The other issue that I've been trying to deal all the week was to have hot water in my bathroom. It worked fine on Saturday night and Sunday morning, but afterwards was not working any more. Some times, after waiting for 30-40 minutes with the hot tap open, then it comes ... Of course, I complained to the hotel and they sent somebody to review it, but always they come so late that the hot water was already there or coming in minutes. The only answer was "a pressure problem, will fix it", but it was the same in the evening or in the next morning, etc. Additional complains didn't sorted out the problem. Also in the Golf building, one of the elevators was all the week broken and considering the high number of guests and how slow are those elevators, missing 25% of the service was suboptimal. I'm not sure if you had similar problems, but my recommendation, considering the really bad quality of this venue is to not pay the bill. I'm going to do so, and if they try to charge to my credit card, I will take it to my bank and to the consumer organization. This is something that works very well in Spain. They will even request for a compensation, as the service was not the one expected for this kind of hotel. If we do it massively, they will sure learn the lesson and future guest will not run into the same or similar problems. I can only talk good about the hotel gym, which was really fantastic, but the rest was really disappointing. Regards, Jordi ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:12:02 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CCA3A6C6F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2983A67EC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jmBfng6-FXPb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2415A28C170 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KOakC-0003ko-Ma; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:10 -0400 From: john+ietf@jck.com To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es, 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <19405183D44FB8EC2ED3A577@klensin-asus.meeting.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Thursday, 31 July, 2008 16:59 +0100 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but > I recall in some conference registration, asking the > participant for the size of the t-shirt, in order to do a > better allocation of how many of each size are required. As long as one can figure out what "size" means, since there is no international standard t-shirt sizing system or even much of an inter-manufacturer one. john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:14:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A946C3A692A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283713A67BD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7QTy21QZ5K2d for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB743A692A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D087FC7; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (thunder2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDRPp1YVOaOx; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.23.232] (unknown [130.129.23.232]) by thunder2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24857FC6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:45 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:14:45 -0700 From: Alexa Morris To: Iljitsch van Beijnum , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] air quality in plenary Thread-Index: AcjzKIvQykNXql8bEd2oPQAf88vDKQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] air quality in plenary X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org We are working on this right now and you should (hopefully) feel results soon. Alexa On 7/31/08 9:09 AM, "Iljitsch van Beijnum" wrote: > Not a NOC issue, so I'll just direct it here... > > The air breathes like soup in the plenary, and we haven't even started > yet. > > I think we need the A/C despite the noise. > > Iljitsch > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:17:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ACB3A692A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9B23A67EC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tv1aKULu3e2H for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177483A692A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kate.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.22.250]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA2C308458 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:17:32 -0300 (BRT) Message-Id: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> From: Roque Gagliano To: 72attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:17:28 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d51 (Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Subject: [72attendees] Soccer today 7:45pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0134165974==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0134165974== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-42-843164038" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-42-843164038 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-41-843164029 --Apple-Mail-41-843164029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The soccer game is starting today after the plenary. I am attaching =20 the list of people that signed for this game, please bring two t-=20 shirts (one dark and one white) to form the teams. Regards, Roque Roque Gagliano Alberto Castro Mart=EDn Germ=E1n Sean Matthijs Mekking Jukka Manner aleez Adam Uzelac Marc Blanchet Olafur Gudmundson Joe Salowey Dirk Kutscher Lionel Morand Laurent Ciavaglia Eric Burger Jinhong Yang Yangjung Kim J=F6rg Ott Raphael Coeffic Victor Pascual Marco Tomsu Yuichi IGARASHI SATOH, Hiroki= --Apple-Mail-41-843164029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

The = soccer game is starting today after the plenary. I am attaching the list = of people that signed for this game, please bring two t-shirts (one dark = and one white) to form the = teams.

Regards,

Roque



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It is something they can choose to do. In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall in > some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the > t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are > required. > > Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registration > on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the > t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry it is > too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to the > plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because the > original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy", so > we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "sorry, > if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, > otherwise, better don't do it". > > This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was > available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, but L > or XL definitively not. > > I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > From: Marcia Beaulieu > > Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 > > To: <72attendees@ietf.org> > > Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up > > > > The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, > > 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent > > desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. > > > > There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. > > > > Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. > > > > Regards, > > > > Alcatel-Lucent > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:28:47 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096AD3A6CD5; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0A53A6CD5 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, ROUND_THE_WORLD_LOCAL=2.696] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mx3rTKKB6lRY for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667A3A6A49 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (h135-1-218-53.lucent.com [135.1.218.53]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6VGFbKo004409; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.net.alcatel.com.hk (h202-65-2-130.alcatel.com [202.65.2.130]) by ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (8.13.8/emsr) with ESMTP id m6VGFYWS021585; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sgsinsbhs02.ad4.ad.alcatel.com (sgsinsbhs02.ap.lucent.com [135.254.109.35]) by mail.net.alcatel.com.hk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Alcanet1.0) with ESMTP id m6VG17X6003952; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:01:07 +0800 Received: from SGSINSMBS02.ad4.ad.alcatel.com ([135.254.109.30]) by sgsinsbhs02.ad4.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:15:28 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:15:24 +0800 Message-ID: <986DCE2E44129444B6435ABE8C9E424D019EF5A4@SGSINSMBS02.ad4.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <19405183D44FB8EC2ED3A577@klensin-asus.meeting.ietf.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Thread-Index: AcjzKGTtl5e1wv52RRO7l8yNBtkH6QAABs+w From: "KHATRI PARESH" To: , , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 16:15:28.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[A583D160:01C8F328] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 202.65.2.130 Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Let's charter a tshirt WG so that we can sort this out once and for all ;-) Paresh -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of john+ietf@jck.com Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 5:11 PM To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es; 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up --On Thursday, 31 July, 2008 16:59 +0100 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but > I recall in some conference registration, asking the > participant for the size of the t-shirt, in order to do a > better allocation of how many of each size are required. As long as one can figure out what "size" means, since there is no international standard t-shirt sizing system or even much of an inter-manufacturer one. john _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:36:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764F628C1DE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31428C1D6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.656, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BwVgtN1CYA5V for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62DA3A6CF2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217525744; x=1218130544; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=E5FqCNOeQWWjM3 tdfY7kXHpEZVTYlWJihFxjjPJ+CbKSgguN0UOSeJRM9BoWBo2fx8QaalolOU36ic KKGUW8T1nbceks9p55ZtDTyY9/HqTl0R/1JLSq6XAlmHgKzAEIj7ueO3tGXA3sze CzK1oOeTUXMPdJwL1C46E7R1hzhOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=UsxUMcO2C9lI4UOJ9wTfnCXerm+VUo6KmD+SmLfShYqRWGs29B14AFq5Zo8WHaphfYw/B3tbIqTy1xYTRelzXUj8S8qkUvn434aJ3dtyh9nmKWRJ/Q0SOw071LNXC3y7VfHzsDBTxNVKIyMniBuM1guIJaA2gasf+SGo3UgUXEo=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002989615.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:35:42 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:36:30 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxYgv4dhq8jbJvdkOl/RCHwLMYfQABCFi4AHFaE1g= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080731:72attendees@ietf.org::W6eOwW+onD8gQ78G:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000dnr X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.21.7 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:35:44 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:35:44 +0200 Cc: dvorshak@isoc.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jonne, This was not the information I got, at least I don't recall being informed at all that the venue was not selected by a Siemens decision, on the other way around, I was informed that was not suitable according to the IAOC decision. One of the issues (as I recall being told) was the availability of restaurants. The information that the IAOC got about that was wrong, as I discussed with the IAD afterwards (when I was informed of that being one of the problems). The other one I recall was the venue was too expensive. However I also indicated when I knew the offer you got, that I can manage to get a better deal, and indeed, I got a better offer (I think it was around 15% cut) the morning after you took the decision of not using that venue. I was not allowed to contact the venue management before because I was asked by the secretariat not to do so, and of course, I respected that decision, but then wanted to prove that it was a WRONG negotiation. This things happen because the process is so secret, because people that know the venue, even has direct contacts with the venue (having organized other big events there, having set up IPv6 there, etc.), is not allowed to participate in the negotiation with the venue. Having the help of local people, with local negotiation skills, and not taking it, seems to me really silly and not a good thing for the community. This need to change. Of course, you will not have always that local people, and you not necessarily can trust them, but their inputs and their help in the negotiation can't be ignored. Even do, the IAOC still has the final decision power, right ? So nothing negative in the process, just a lot of possible hands to be used. Last but not least, I even offered to be the *HOST*. I actually did since I had the idea to bring IETF to Madrid in summer 2001 when I talked for the first time about that during the London meeting with the secretariat. So, now tell me, why this or that host has higher priority to host a meeting ? It should be more a planning question, and if the plan was to have that meeting in Europe, the host offering Europe should take precedence, specially having offered it since so long time. Now, I'm not really interested and even discouraged to try to host again in Madrid, but if Drew drop me a message and I get a firm commitment that I'm not going to waste my time in getting a similar or even better situation (considering funding from the government/others, cost of the venue, etc.) as when I did the previous time, then and only then, I will reconsider my position. I'm happy to spend as many of my cycles as required, but definitively will not waste them in a useless way. Regards, Jordi > From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:30:53 +0300 > To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez , <72attendees@iet= f.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Gues= troom > Network not under NOC Control) > = > Jordi, > = > Your recollection of the past is a little bit different that mine. I > remember the last time you tried there were open ends in many things until > very late of the process. This and other reasons made the main host to > decide on a different venue (San Diego). Siemens was the host for that > possible meeting. The people who were mostly involved from Siemens are now > part of Nokia Siemens Network, who I happen to work for as well. The main > thing is that host was very much involved on the change of the meeting > location! If you want to talk about specifics of that time, I'm happy to > talk to you off-line. > = > It seems that the next scheduled European meeting without a host is at > Summer 2010. If you have a host, or funding to host, please, contact Drew > Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org or the IAD. If you even have a location in > mind, better it is! > = > Cheers, > = > Jonne. > = > On 7/29/08 1:01 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" > wrote: > = >> And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and so= on, >> such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify = the >> venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this o= ne >> or even San Diego. >> = >> Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world th= at >> offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered >> ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better >> commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaurant >> choices in the venue and around, etc. >> = >> So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is t= he >> organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as >> irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). >> = >> Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this aga= in >> unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to >> raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will >> consider it again. >> = >> Regards, >> Jordi >> = >> = >> = >> = >>> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist >>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 >>> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum >>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: >>> Guestroom >>> Network not under NOC Control) >>> = >>> = >>> On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>> = >>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >>>> = >>>>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >>>>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location >>>> = >>>> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. >>>> = >>>> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can >>>> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets >>>> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of >>>> one party, the other is unhappy. >>> = >>> If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further >>> said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has >>> been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance >>> fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays >>> for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on >>> the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we >>> can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up >>> significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on >>> sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all >>> the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to >>> your brand and the marketing value is negative. >>> = >>> Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC >>> volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a >>> meeting. >>> = >>> Best regards, >>> = >>> - kurtis - >>> = >>> = >>> PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - >>> issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. >>> = >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ********************************************** >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> = >> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >> http://www.ipv6day.org >> = >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware >> that >> any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >> = >> = >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > -- = > Jonne Soininen > Nokia Siemens Networks > = > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com > = > = ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any dis= closure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, = including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:41:35 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CC13A6CF6; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B053A6CF3 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.525, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HMNgCPBUO5Z for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C743A67BD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217526053; x=1218130853; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=HaNvcoikXtT+kC 9WNTLWP4/8wGo5v7FeMM4nvVqhmlPY3BygdQqy+Sg6/oITdbE+r1c3pQJzmd8HFO FcN+OgcdjW6CWnhG0gc100vIBqh70/McOwnUhkms6UoOXeG6PclXqJwyzi4z5r6X GSvALySoq8Z2xsYbPUknXbHu5wogo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=KHCvB5kNkr0dmw29eBGUDHhD3C+4wDWFDHLumuTvnR9j9XGF9UzPoL+BeY1Z7hhLC1l5OPqJ6AHnT1BfNELluoZnKRBRzqLMK4Ukmf21vgVUw2Bky1F/Ox1Aq8Z/sPSVPKlBFrfDpRRwYOV5ScTeiRI/DCNZrbZ3aHoro/Y+DC4=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002989626.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:40:51 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:41:40 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Thread-Index: AcjzLE5tYbEi4O0cjkqLIYev4AhezQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080731:72attendees@ietf.org::bQOnc0cUw327yq29:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000C06j X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.21.7 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:40:53 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:40:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years. And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it is clear it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table when they decide, without a previous announcement. Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being fair and coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much in many aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever attended. Of course, a personal view. Regards, Jordi > From: Ole Jacobsen > Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) > To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up > = > Jordi, > = > I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved, > but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that > the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do. > In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, > that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. > = > Ole > = > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > = > = > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > = >> Hi, >> = >> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall in >> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the >> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are >> required. >> = >> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registrat= ion >> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the >> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry it= is >> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to t= he >> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because = the >> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy", = so >> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "so= rry, >> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, >> otherwise, better don't do it". >> = >> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was >> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, bu= t L >> or XL definitively not. >> = >> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. >> = >> Regards, >> Jordi >> = >> = >> = >> = >>> From: Marcia Beaulieu >>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 >>> To: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >>> = >>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, >>> 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent >>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. >>> = >>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. >>> = >>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. >>> = >>> Regards, >>> = >>> Alcatel-Lucent >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ********************************************** >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> = >> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >> http://www.ipv6day.org >> = >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware >> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >> = >> = >> = >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any dis= closure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, = including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:00:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2EF28C1C0; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:00:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9E63A6CEF for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.027 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.027 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.403, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-lCnwy1Lklw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (unknown [192.174.68.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B02A3A6895 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by mail.sbg.nic.at with XWall v3.42 ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:00:12 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:00:09 +0200 Message-ID: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D4665077DD34C@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> In-Reply-To: <4891CEB9.8060209@veidit.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] CAcert assurer Thread-Index: AcjzG3DqmeQekeI2SIWV8iO9TUacHwAEyqHQ References: <4891CEB9.8060209@veidit.net> From: "Alexander Mayrhofer" To: "John Angelmo" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] CAcert assurer X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > Hello > > I am looking for a second CAcert assurer at the hotel today, > I already > met Jakob S but I think i need a second assurer. i can do CAcert assurance - let me know a time that fits you (same for anybody else who wants to be asserted). i am currently in the plenary, but i can come to the lobby, or whatever. i'll leave tomorrow around 10am - so email me if you'd like to be assured. Alex _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:04:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FE73A6D00; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BDF3A6914 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hepc4vvWjKxj for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7A03A6ACC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-ECS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1218128702.08504@9hezPyG+hBatGCSw8oX11g Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:21d:9ff:fe22:9fc]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VH51NX025168 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:01 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe59:5f12]) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VH4sD1030167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:54 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m6VH4sWj028578 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:54 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6VH4sSh028577 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:54 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080731170454.GA27525@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: m6VH4sD1030167 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: m6VH51NX025168 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I've never had a problem getting a T-shirt. But here's a suggestion. If the IETF is looking for funds, have a look at running off extra T-shirts or bags and sell them via some appropriate online place. I would certainly buy T-shirts for some of the meetings I've missed, and the most recent bag is pretty nice. This might need some negotiation with the sponsor if they pay for the main freebie run, but it could work perhaps? Tim So if the IETF On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 09:25:20AM -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Jordi, > > I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved, > but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that > the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do. > In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, > that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. > > Ole > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall in > > some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the > > t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are > > required. > > > > Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registration > > on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the > > t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry it is > > too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to the > > plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because the > > original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy", so > > we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "sorry, > > if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, > > otherwise, better don't do it". > > > > This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was > > available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, but L > > or XL definitively not. > > > > I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marcia Beaulieu > > > Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> > > > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 > > > To: <72attendees@ietf.org> > > > Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up > > > > > > The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, > > > 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent > > > desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. > > > > > > There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. > > > > > > Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Alcatel-Lucent > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 72attendees mailing list > > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > > > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > > http://www.ipv6day.org > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:09:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20F13A6CE8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BEA3A6914 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZL97JYIW7+6J for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-159.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55333A68DD for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from commandprompt.com ([130.129.21.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VHBnOM016895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:09:12 +0100 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (lists.commandprompt.com [207.173.203.159]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Dear colleagues, On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever > attended. Of course, a personal view. I have a different personal view. I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an outlier. The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. I'm envious. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:11:51 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944563A6C31; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7881E3A6892 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9YU4kx3OGKKW for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E463A69A9 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id CAFBD29E14E5; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.129.23.8] (unknown [130.129.23.8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3262529E14D4; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> From: Marc Blanchet To: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:11:28 +0100 References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1. Marc. Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > Dear colleagues, > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >> attended. Of course, a personal view. > > I have a different personal view. > > I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and > productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose > petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to > control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was > not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I > nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the > facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and > well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have > been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an > outlier. > > The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people > normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. > I'm envious. > > Best regards, > > A > > -- = > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@commandprompt.com > +1 503 667 4564 x104 > http://www.commandprompt.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ----- IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:14:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84553A6A91; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410013A6809 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8pdE2T-O+vBX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waikiki.gih.co.uk (salsa.gih.co.uk [212.124.200.129]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E0DB3A63D2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALOHA2 (ANice-151-1-32-103.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.197.128.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by waikiki.gih.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VCg6wJ007007; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:42:10 +0100 Message-ID: <025f01c8f30a$ac498120$5701a8c0@ALOHA2> From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" , "Mike McBride \(mmcbride\)" References: <48907800.2000407@att.com><7AB1DD29D9B2CE44A0A50010FF0994674069CD@vaebe107.NOE.Nokia.com><47951CBFA6409B4C8916514FCB05BFBE04A1A6D7@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> <20080731104239.GA26816@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:39:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I'm afraid that it also stems from the fact that today's t-shirt manufacturing quality leaves much more to be desired vs. yesteryear. Fears of shrinkage to the size of a postage stamp might be exaggerated, but everybody seems to supersize their choice rather than downsize it, just in case it shrinks in the wash... O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" To: "Mike McBride (mmcbride)" Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [72attendees] anyone want to swap a 2XL shirt for an XL > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 08:48:19AM -0700, > Mike McBride (mmcbride) wrote > a message of 38 lines which said: > >> It's a subtle hint that we all need to cut down on the donuts and beer. > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2716768371_6b9d19083c_o.jpg > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:21:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435633A6945; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A78E3A6A43 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.526, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jWbp2lEiE0+i for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CBF3A6892 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15942304" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 17:21:25 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VHLNjO032335; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:21:23 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VHLNgb029977; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:21:23 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:21:21 +0200 Received: from airbook.meeting.ietf.org ([10.61.96.254]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:21:20 +0200 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:21:19 +0100 References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:21:20.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[D985F0C0:01C8F331] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2563; t=1217524883; x=1218388883; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Some=20thanks=20(was=3A =20=2072nd=20-=20T-shirt=20Pick=20Up) |Sender:=20; bh=y1zDp/kleQ/3lmiEcduOqp1MQChijVcaCwYVXGIG5UM=; b=FwDeRpEVmyvhmDeK6aPyJBshah2wK1h/bk6XLuP3dF6uVmurgYfQKXJlXx GRt9lF0DR4OS80gCeU92RhUwuPAq3WD2mHnKhhWgLYKku+boUsQHnBi8Io5X /hmq7SG2Bj; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Indeed. I had to talk with Marcia a few minutes ago and complain. I have now, = for 48 hours or so, been looking for trouble. But, nothing. The coffee = has been good. No lines in the bar. Guinness arrived promptly. = Temperature have been good. No lines for food. Good food. Nice = company. T-Shirt was available when I asked for one. Signes where = correct. The grass was combed. The sun was polished. Cheese was = mature. IP-Packets where flowing. Etc etc. I really thank for a very good meeting. Sure, problems in the = beginning, one broken elevator in the golf hotel (but there are = stairs), but hey! I will be hard for me helping with the Stockholm IETF, as I am nervous = we will not be able to do something better. But, we will do the best we can! Patrik On 31 jul 2008, at 18.11, Marc Blanchet wrote: > +1. Marc. > > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >> I have a different personal view. >> >> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I = >> have >> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >> outlier. >> >> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >> I'm envious. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> -- = >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@commandprompt.com >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:21:20 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD2E28C25D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F29228C259 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJ2d0xveDZlC for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C36C28C262 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:219:d2ff:fed0:8495] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:219:d2ff:fed0:8495]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHLVPM033860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:21:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from matthijs@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <4891F49B.8010803@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:21:31 +0100 From: Matthijs Mekking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roque Gagliano References: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer today 7:45pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How can I reach the soccer field? For what it's worth, I'll be in the lobby at 7pm, ready to go. Matthijs Roque Gagliano wrote: > Hi, > = > The soccer game is starting today after the plenary. I am attaching the > list of people that signed for this game, please bring two t-shirts (one > dark and one white) to form the teams. > = > Regards, > = > Roque > = > = > = > Roque Gagliano > Alberto Castro > Mart=EDn Germ=E1n > Sean > Matthijs Mekking > Jukka Manner > aleez > Adam Uzelac > Marc Blanchet > Olafur Gudmundson > Joe Salowey > Dirk Kutscher > Lionel Morand > Laurent Ciavaglia > Eric Burger > Jinhong Yang > Yangjung Kim > J=F6rg Ott > Raphael Coeffic > Victor Pascual > Marco Tomsu > Yuichi IGARASHI > SATOH, Hiroki > = > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIkfSaIXqNzxRs6egRAoxyAJ9eIjxckuUwi0z43mqdh+UMZnPKhACdGi0h 71vvy2UnRdHnvD3XTkkFtOI=3D =3DkxAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:22:39 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0940428C26B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF6328C298 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UtH2AHZ+ESpB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe77:96e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8543828C25D for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-ECS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1218129770.38546@PtPbh2cSll2VIzWG8BtNmQ Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:21d:9ff:fe22:9fc]) by owl.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VHMo31027781 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:50 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (login.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102:230:48ff:fe59:5f12]) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VHMg7N000646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:42 +0100 Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m6VHMgr4030200 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:42 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6VHMg5d030199 for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:42 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080731172242.GB27525@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: m6VHMg7N000646 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: m6VHMo31027781 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 I think given the limitation of the out of town venue, it's been a very good event. The wireless has been excellent, the rooms well sized, and easy to get between. Lots of bar space to sit down and have ad-hoc chats/meetings. And quite beautiful surroundings. I think where there have been reasonable 'complaints' the staff have been very good in responding to them, e.g. in increasing food variety at lunchtime, and in extra busses being laid on. Even cheap airport busses = arranged throughout Friday. Very friendly staff too - last night one of the receptionists went running out into the rain to grab a minibus driver to take a bunch of us down to the golf hotel to save us getting wet - she didn't need to do that but a = great example of the hospitality here. The odd thing is I never saw a golfer anywhere, on or off the course. So I'm sure they could have let us play with the buggies :) Tim On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:11:28PM +0100, Marc Blanchet wrote: > +1. Marc. > = > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > = > >Dear colleagues, > > > >On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >>unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever > >>attended. Of course, a personal view. > > > >I have a different personal view. > > > >I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and > >productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose > >petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to > >control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was > >not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I > >nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the > >facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and > >well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have > >been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an > >outlier. > > > >The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people > >normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. > >I'm envious. > > > >Best regards, > > > >A > > > >-- = > >Andrew Sullivan > >ajs@commandprompt.com > >+1 503 667 4564 x104 > >http://www.commandprompt.com/ > >_______________________________________________ > >72attendees mailing list > >72attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > = > = > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- = Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:23:09 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B128C29D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546B53A6D0E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jwSzxQG6jwQS for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.7.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787B428C1B1 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ironport-out-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.3.58]) by mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K4V00I5ZRWMF770@mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zelos.rz.rwth-aachen.de (HELO relay-auth.rwth-aachen.de) ([134.130.3.23]) by ironport-in-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:14:46 +0200 Received: from coyote.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.18.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by relay-auth.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.8/8.13.1/1) with ESMTP id m6VHEiXf028900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:14:46 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:14:44 +0100 From: Tobias Heer To: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <9198488A-23A6-4F35-BB74-04256ECD5C0B@cs.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215381600"; d="scan'208";a="77644426" Subject: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, is anyone interested in sharing a cab to the airport on Fri morning 4.00 AM? My plane leaves at 7:00 AM. Tobias -- Dipl.-Inform. Tobias Heer, Ph.D. Student Distributed Systems Group RWTH Aachen University, Germany http://ds.cs.rwth-aachen.de/members/heer _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:23:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0D928C2A8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2105828C275 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.149, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fiVCd0jFJYQf for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC7C28C2A2 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:23:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from [127.0.0.1] (maildrop [134.102.201.19]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VHMdFA005738; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:22:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: Carsten Bormann To: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:22:39 +0100 References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1. This was a very efficient venue for an IETF meeting. E.g.: -- Kingswood Suite: enough tables to hold significant hallway meetings (although some more AC power would have helped). -- Reasonably organized restaurants (cheaper would have been nice, some basic education of the staff about gastronomic fundamentals like "halal" or "kosher" might have helped). I have enough other little items to complain about, but again, in total, this was a very *efficient* meeting. We got *work done*, and the venue helped much more than it hindered. This is what counts for me. Gruesse, Carsten _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:26:22 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC7228C2AB; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D3F28C2AB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYUaKngwj07p for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.netlab.hut.fi (keskus.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.176]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9727B28C22A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (webserver.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.187]) by smtp.netlab.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331A1C50F8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:28 +0300 (EET DST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at TKK Netlab Received: from smtp.netlab.hut.fi ([130.233.154.176]) by localhost (webserver.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jK7Ij3nyNkVu; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (keskus.netlab.hut.fi [130.233.154.176]) by smtp.netlab.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073ADC50EE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <4891F5B7.6070101@netlab.hut.fi> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:15 +0300 From: Joerg Ott User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Besides the working conditions and the friendly and helpful staff, I also enjoyed the many tables outside allowing to catch a bit of fresh air every now and then over coffee or when having a meeting (quite a luxury :-) Surely: +1 Joerg > +1. Marc. > = > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > = >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> >>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >> >> I have a different personal view. >> >> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have >> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >> outlier. >> >> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >> I'm envious. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> -- = >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@commandprompt.com >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > = > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > = > = > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:39:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28C23A68E0; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8283A6892 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qs-sKvOtjfJ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE29E3A68E0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:39:14 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15943300" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 17:39:31 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VHdVav003179; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:39:31 +0200 Received: from dhcp-130-129-21-176.meeting.ietf.org (ams3-vpn-dhcp170.cisco.com [10.61.64.170]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VHdV6j002843; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:39:31 GMT Message-ID: <4891F8D5.8050902@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:39:33 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> <4891F5B7.6070101@netlab.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: <4891F5B7.6070101@netlab.hut.fi> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=163; t=1217525971; x=1218389971; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Some=20thanks |Sender:=20; bh=GSB1VSC4KkpxRsTclpsnpZvqWNqpYC+si8J1m/ebw7I=; b=BlHu3yGbIO22mJgQMwk5DMmwc+cQTA6tAmHCyRA0gGclrpqVP5JXDxZEzl nPH8oAci/9+b+Pwo1TqCC5cACPjuM12epHDp3WihpLazpO0L5gmY8FJVm4UX cno6doEHca; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Great venue, great staff, great food, a good room and no problems with the network. I hope we come back again. Thanks to all. Stewart > > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:42:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB1A3A6D14; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539123A6892 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bfOsydrmfRu for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441833A6D14 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-1.lucent.com [135.3.39.1]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6VHgKL6015465; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inexp01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.65]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:20 -0500 Received: from INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.25]) by inexp01.in.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:12:16 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:12:15 +0530 Message-ID: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD424196501AE7D01@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <9198488A-23A6-4F35-BB74-04256ECD5C0B@cs.rwth-aachen.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? Thread-Index: AcjzMjwhlL//ASRRTK+2m65UanFp8AAAS0XQ References: <9198488A-23A6-4F35-BB74-04256ECD5C0B@cs.rwth-aachen.de> From: "Bhatia, Manav \(Manav\)" To: "Tobias Heer" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:42:16.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5DBBB60:01C8F334] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I have a flight at 6am, so would be leaving by around 3am tomorrow morning. Cheers, Manav > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Heer > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10.45 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? > > Hi, > > is anyone interested in sharing a cab to the airport on Fri morning > 4.00 AM? My plane leaves at 7:00 AM. > > Tobias > > > > -- > Dipl.-Inform. Tobias Heer, Ph.D. Student > Distributed Systems Group > RWTH Aachen University, Germany > http://ds.cs.rwth-aachen.de/members/heer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:46:04 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8923A6D24; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5E83A6D21 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4IK4kbvzZEPy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A40DF3A6D15 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 60022 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 17:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BertLaptop) (87.215.199.34) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 17:46:19 -0000 Message-ID: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> From: "Bert Wijnen \(IETF\)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:46:02 +0200 Organization: Consultant MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Subject: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Bert > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Marc Blanchet" > To: "Andrew Sullivan" > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) > > > +1. Marc. > > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >> I have a different personal view. >> >> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have >> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >> outlier. >> >> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >> I'm envious. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> -- = >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@commandprompt.com >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:04:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DB228C20F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5932028C212 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u3W8lf025BWQ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyholt.uninett.no (tyholt.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1::eecb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E320728C20F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6?2001?df8?0?32?213?2ff?fe0e?7215] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:32:213:2ff:fe0e:7215]) by tyholt.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333D2BAC1A for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:05:38 +0200 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071223) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 72attendees@ietf.org References: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> In-Reply-To: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Stig Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: > = > = > +1 Bert > = >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Blanchet" >> >> To: "Andrew Sullivan" >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) >> >> >> +1. Marc. >> >> Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >>> >>> I have a different personal view. >>> >>> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >>> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >>> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >>> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >>> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >>> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >>> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >>> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have >>> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >>> outlier. >>> >>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >>> I'm envious. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> A >>> >>> -- = >>> Andrew Sullivan >>> ajs@commandprompt.com >>> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >>> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> ----- >> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> > = > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:10:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A3528C243; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689FA28C243 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.810, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yB68Bwy4qKbD for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CE028C232 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIAXij013586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:10:33 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIAWFi012088; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:10:33 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:10:33 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.22]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:10:32 +0200 Received: from 10.162.76.223 ([10.162.76.223]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:10:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:10:27 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ , "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Thread-Index: AcjzLE5tYbEi4O0cjkqLIYev4AhezQADGckr In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 18:10:32.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E98910:01C8F338] Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jordi, Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provide. I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe based on the IETF T-shirts. T-shirt sizes are a black magic of its own. As the T-shirts are the responsibility of the host, the next host has to start from scratch and estimate the T-shirt size distribution if they don't get the last time's distribution. So, sometimes the size distribution might not be 100% correct. This has been the case always in the IETF. This time, the host very clearly informed that the T-shirts are coming on Tuesday, and they also informed this list when they would be available. I think that was very good. I'm sure there were enough possibilities to get your T-shirt. = I am sorry that your meeting was ruined by getting a wrong size T-shirt. Maybe for the next meeting, remember that you might want to be early for the T-shirts, if they are very important for you. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 7:41 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" wrote: > Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years. > = > And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it is cl= ear > it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table when > they decide, without a previous announcement. > = > Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being fair and > coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much in m= any > aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever > attended. Of course, a personal view. > = > Regards, > Jordi > = > = > = > = >> From: Ole Jacobsen >> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen >> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) >> To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >> = >> Jordi, >> = >> I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved, >> but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that >> the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do. >> In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, >> that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. >> = >> Ole >> = >> Ole J. Jacobsen >> Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal >> Cisco Systems >> Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 >> E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj >> = >> = >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> = >>> Hi, >>> = >>> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall = in >>> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the >>> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are >>> required. >>> = >>> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registra= tion >>> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the >>> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry i= t is >>> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to = the >>> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because= the >>> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy",= so >>> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "s= orry, >>> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, >>> otherwise, better don't do it". >>> = >>> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was >>> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, b= ut L >>> or XL definitively not. >>> = >>> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. >>> = >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>>> From: Marcia Beaulieu >>>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 >>>> To: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >>>> = >>>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, >>>> 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent >>>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. >>>> = >>>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. >>>> = >>>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. >>>> = >>>> Regards, >>>> = >>>> Alcatel-Lucent >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ********************************************** >>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >>> = >>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >>> http://www.ipv6day.org >>> = >>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be awa= re >>> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of th= is >>> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> = > = > = > = > = > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > = > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > = > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware= that > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, including attached files, is prohibited. > = > = > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- = Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:10:59 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0371F28C21A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E835B28C21A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YGdfjNqa2aLy for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE8228C1FC for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOccK-0002Z8-JM for 72attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:11:13 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chimp.ripe.net [193.0.1.199]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9082F592; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: Tom Vest To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:11:12 +0100 References: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: aff8e6ff9b212e03f5c82aedff5a5cc0fdec3757b746c1c3893a667f335b3d55 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 TV I did get the divan and the fairies and rose petals, however, so my = impression may be somewhat biased. On Jul 31, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > +1 Stig > > Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: >> >> >> +1 Bert >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Blanchet" >>> >>> To: "Andrew Sullivan" >>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) >>> >>> >>> +1. Marc. >>> >>> Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : >>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = >>>> wrote: >>>>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>>>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >>>> >>>> I have a different personal view. >>>> >>>> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable = >>>> and >>>> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with = >>>> rose >>>> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >>>> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature = >>>> was >>>> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >>>> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >>>> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >>>> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I = >>>> have >>>> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >>>> outlier. >>>> >>>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >>>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >>>> I'm envious. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> A >>>> >>>> -- = >>>> Andrew Sullivan >>>> ajs@commandprompt.com >>>> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >>>> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> >>> ----- >>> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:14:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788B628C21A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A252928C25F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5lftR-d2FfA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com (zrtps0kn.nortel.com [47.140.192.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B14328C259 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.71]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6VIEC521436; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:14:12 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) Thread-Index: AcjzN+0z4Q8Qn4JoSzCrX1b5lHw34gAAQ5pw References: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> From: "Ahmad Muhanna" To: "Stig Venaas" , <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Yes, +1 A big Thank you! Regards, Ahmad = > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org = > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stig Venaas > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:06 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - = > T-shirt Pick Up) > = > +1 Stig > = > Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: > > = > > = > > +1 Bert > > = > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Blanchet" > >> > >> To: "Andrew Sullivan" > >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM > >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - = > T-shirt Pick Up) > >> > >> > >> +1. Marc. > >> > >> Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > >> > >>> Dear colleagues, > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET = > MARTINEZ wrote: > >>>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever = > >>>> attended. Of course, a personal view. > >>> > >>> I have a different personal view. > >>> > >>> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an = > enjoyable and = > >>> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with = > >>> rose petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was = > >>> able to control any network for 80 kms around, and while the = > >>> temperature was not controlled to my personal = > specification 24 hours = > >>> a day, I nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, = > >>> the facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and = > >>> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I = > >>> have been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my = > experience is an = > >>> outlier. > >>> > >>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people = > >>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their = > convenience. > >>> I'm envious. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> A > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Andrew Sullivan > >>> ajs@commandprompt.com > >>> +1 503 667 4564 x104 > >>> http://www.commandprompt.com/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> 72attendees mailing list > >>> 72attendees@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > >> > >> ----- > >> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 72attendees mailing list > >> 72attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > >> > >> > > = > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > = > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:17:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1490E28C274; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB3F28C274 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pDiEI+HsrMZo for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED0428C11C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so616943fga.41 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Qfm0gOWor0Vjb93WosovPOyUDuE+JQ4kZy5dw7SqCzM=; b=eN97ik9+5egacFVsDHTndqCI12xdHZVPucxRkYK4U/PTRxVRJcpgFozBq9w/tuhwIA yNlI9Lw780csxstCAGm1TmQtwUXH4AkpJYzZfWytn4C+v6L/72xXoUlTakmje/Axv7DK vvTro1dEHyNQ7eqsfZ6hUYZahVF6DNOzOO1+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Liyz27VoWFkJm8l9G1NkwAJ91bMW696hN9SXeWUIRdjAcPeg+gKrCXJ3TFF2XApUzl VmhiULrcgnvmfUiqGzl3ZrqqlaEQgPLFzvfLrFPPjlXvr3Oykg9Vvo4Fr8QezH1X1888 orEjfzFRoTjtO7bedgqEtEQeF8gTnqU8LkwaI= Received: by 10.125.111.14 with SMTP id o14mr513449mkm.3.1217528243980; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.101.5 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92e919fb0807311117g5ff8af5t2170c13b93d3201@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:17:23 +0900 From: "JinHyeock Choi" To: "Ahmad Muhanna" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org + 1 thanks for the trouble. best regards JinHyeock On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: > Yes, +1 > > A big Thank you! > > Regards, > Ahmad > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stig Venaas >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:06 PM >> To: 72attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - >> T-shirt Pick Up) >> >> +1 Stig >> >> Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: >> > >> > >> > +1 Bert >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Blanchet" >> >> >> >> To: "Andrew Sullivan" >> >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - >> T-shirt Pick Up) >> >> >> >> >> >> +1. Marc. >> >> >> >> Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : >> >> >> >>> Dear colleagues, >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET >> MARTINEZ wrote: >> >>>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >> >>>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >>> >> >>> I have a different personal view. >> >>> >> >>> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an >> enjoyable and >> >>> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with >> >>> rose petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was >> >>> able to control any network for 80 kms around, and while the >> >>> temperature was not controlled to my personal >> specification 24 hours >> >>> a day, I nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, >> >>> the facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> >>> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I >> >>> have been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my >> experience is an >> >>> outlier. >> >>> >> >>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> >>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their >> convenience. >> >>> I'm envious. >> >>> >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> >> >>> A >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Andrew Sullivan >> >>> ajs@commandprompt.com >> >>> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> >>> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> 72attendees mailing list >> >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 72attendees mailing list >> >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 72attendees mailing list >> > 72attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:18:26 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F6528C249; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AD528C243 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRc+oO-MqPOw for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A540328C159 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4V00K0UULJE2@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:12:55 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.3]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K4V00KHOULJFR@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:12:55 +0800 (CST) Received: from [172.16.15.45] ([130.129.65.144]) by szxml01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4V00KYPULC0A@szxml01-in.huawei.com> for 72attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:12:55 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:12:47 +0200 From: Huub van Helvoort In-reply-to: <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Message-id: <4892009F.6050702@huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) References: <0DC878A3E8FF4B2881BDEA35C6DCFED0@BertLaptop> <4891FEF2.6010709@uninett.no> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: hhelvoort@huawei.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Huub (??) > +1 Stig > = > Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: >> >> +1 Bert >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Blanchet" >>> >>> To: "Andrew Sullivan" >>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) >>> >>> >>> +1. Marc. >>> >>> Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : >>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>>>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>>>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >>>> I have a different personal view. >>>> >>>> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >>>> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >>>> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >>>> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >>>> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >>>> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >>>> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >>>> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have >>>> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >>>> outlier. >>>> >>>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >>>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >>>> I'm envious. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> A >>>> >>>> -- = >>>> Andrew Sullivan >>>> ajs@commandprompt.com >>>> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >>>> http://www.commandprompt.com/ -- = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Always remember that you are unique...just like everyone else... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:19:12 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E4328C273; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ADC28C159 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47maoSNH69St for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E7A28C249 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wfWg1Z00Q17UAYkAAiKS7V; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:19:26 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([130.129.23.199]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wiKB1Z0094Hjv7m8ZiKEvy; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:19:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TFKCe8eENW0A:10 a=qjPE8Vmm8MEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=jgUwxJG22tuVB0OfRSUA:9 a=UnScLLj36veWjBACgi2YQpyNPGoA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hPjdaMEvmhQA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=GImYjLvvVJkA:10 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'Carsten Bormann'" , "'Andrew Sullivan'" References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:19:13 +0100 Message-ID: <008501c8f339$f70a9350$c7178182@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjzMjAKsfu7/uCgSk2K2BQnOOJxNwAB0Pyw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 Despite multiple small annoyances with the hotel facilities early in the week, they resolved most problems very quickly, and the IETF staff and volunteers were amazing at making the venue a highly productive one. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. David Harrington dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net dharrington@huawei.com > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carsten Bormann > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:23 PM > To: Andrew Sullivan > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) > > +1. > This was a very efficient venue for an IETF meeting. > > E.g.: > -- Kingswood Suite: enough tables to hold significant hallway > meetings > (although some more AC power would have helped). > -- Reasonably organized restaurants (cheaper would have been nice, > some basic education of the staff about gastronomic > fundamentals like > "halal" or "kosher" might have helped). > > I have enough other little items to complain about, but again, in > total, this was a very *efficient* meeting. > We got *work done*, and the venue helped much more than it hindered. > This is what counts for me. > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:25:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4F328C2AA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB32528C2AA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mq8Gubw+aqst for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com (zrtps0kn.nortel.com [47.140.192.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8661928C261 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.71]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id m6VIPe522458; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:25:40 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c8f339$f70a9350$c7178182@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) Thread-Index: AcjzMjAKsfu7/uCgSk2K2BQnOOJxNwAB0PywAAApdRA= References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <008501c8f339$f70a9350$c7178182@china.huawei.com> From: "Ahmad Muhanna" To: "David B Harrington" , "Carsten Bormann" , "Andrew Sullivan" Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org +1 We all come with different expectations, IMO, the most important thing is that all the people involved, the host, the hotel staff, the IETF volunteers were doing their best to offer a comfortable and productive meeting environment. Again, for that I would say one more time, "A big Thanks you to all!" Regards, Ahmad > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David B Harrington > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:19 PM > To: 'Carsten Bormann'; 'Andrew Sullivan' > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) > > +1 > > Despite multiple small annoyances with the hotel facilities > early in the week, they resolved most problems very quickly, > and the IETF staff and volunteers were amazing at making the > venue a highly productive one. > > Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. > > David Harrington > dbharrington@comcast.net > ietfdbh@comcast.net > dharrington@huawei.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carsten Bormann > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:23 PM > > To: Andrew Sullivan > > Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) > > > > +1. > > This was a very efficient venue for an IETF meeting. > > > > E.g.: > > -- Kingswood Suite: enough tables to hold significant > hallway meetings > > (although some more AC power would have helped). > > -- Reasonably organized restaurants (cheaper would have been nice, > > some basic education of the staff about gastronomic > fundamentals like > > "halal" or "kosher" might have helped). > > > > I have enough other little items to complain about, but again, in > > total, this was a very *efficient* meeting. > > We got *work done*, and the venue helped much more than it hindered. > > This is what counts for me. > > > > Gruesse, Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 72attendees mailing list > > 72attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:30:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFD628C2AE; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9815428C2AE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.443 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.443 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qsCyG11DH0iE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.245.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6825A28C234 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1217529011!6662690!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 30166 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-2.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VIUBr6018833 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:11 -0700 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6VIU9gD018810 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:09 -0700 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VIU8v7023459 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:30:08 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m6VIU2G8023316 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:30:03 -0500 Received: from [135.210.40.221] (unknown[135.210.40.221](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20080731183002gw1003sn3le> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: <489204A8.2090801@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:30:00 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: > Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provide. > I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time > in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe based > on the IETF T-shirts. In Australia, we got 2 shirts! The unofficial one we paid for ourselves because there wasn't going to be an official one, and then someone decided to sponsor an official one that was delivered after the plenary. The unofficial Aussie shirt is still my favorite. Tony Hansen _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:33:21 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F358B28C260; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:33:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCE428C2AE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.145 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.942, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0SxDrMUjRFiX for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D1A28C21B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIXJVI018972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:19 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIXJjE025527; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:19 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.12]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:19 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.22]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:17 +0200 Received: from 10.162.76.223 ([10.162.76.223]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:33:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:33:14 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ , <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjxYgv4dhq8jbJvdkOl/RCHwLMYfQABCFi4AHFaE1gABBOunw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 18:33:17.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[E67B9D20:01C8F33B] Cc: dvorshak@isoc.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Jordi, First of all, I'm a bit sorry you didn't speak up during the IAOC open mike session earlier today. If there is a feeling, there is something "secret" about meeting location or hosting opportunities it means that we have failed in our communication. However, I'm not sure this is a general sentiment. I might be wrong. For the IETF 67, which I believe we are talking about, I remember we were quite a bit in a hurry, and we had to do some of the decision rather quickly. As there were a range of open issues and some risks with the venue at the time, the decision was to go to San Diego instead. The important point was that the decision to go to San Diego was done together with the IAOC and the host, Siemens. Of course, the ultimate responsibility is at IAOC. However, we did this decision together with the host. I can assure you, there was no general sentiment in the IAOC against Spain, or Madrid as you seem to think. I can say from my part that it is the contrary! What comes to negotiations, I have to say that it is quite important that we do keep the negotiation under the IASA/IETF control. Perhaps, we could have used more local knowledge that you might have been able to provide at this case. It is very important for the IETF that it is represented by itself, and there is no ambiguity on who represents the IETF and who doesn't. However, it wasn't the cost alone that made us to go to San Diego, which I have tried to say the whole time. It was a combination of reasons. One of the main reasons was the time pressure. We had to end the negotiations at some point, and that was the point for us. We did that decision together with the host. I am sorry you feel offended by the process around organizing IETF#67. This was not the purpose. The purpose was to have a good, productive meeting. I think we did that. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 7:36 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" wrote: > Hi Jonne, > = > This was not the information I got, at least I don't recall being informed > at all that the venue was not selected by a Siemens decision, on the other > way around, I was informed that was not suitable according to the IAOC > decision. > = > One of the issues (as I recall being told) was the availability of > restaurants. The information that the IAOC got about that was wrong, as I > discussed with the IAD afterwards (when I was informed of that being one = of > the problems). > = > The other one I recall was the venue was too expensive. However I also > indicated when I knew the offer you got, that I can manage to get a better > deal, and indeed, I got a better offer (I think it was around 15% cut) the > morning after you took the decision of not using that venue. I was not > allowed to contact the venue management before because I was asked by the > secretariat not to do so, and of course, I respected that decision, but t= hen > wanted to prove that it was a WRONG negotiation. > = > This things happen because the process is so secret, because people that > know the venue, even has direct contacts with the venue (having organized > other big events there, having set up IPv6 there, etc.), is not allowed to > participate in the negotiation with the venue. > = > Having the help of local people, with local negotiation skills, and not > taking it, seems to me really silly and not a good thing for the communit= y. > This need to change. > = > Of course, you will not have always that local people, and you not > necessarily can trust them, but their inputs and their help in the > negotiation can't be ignored. Even do, the IAOC still has the final decis= ion > power, right ? So nothing negative in the process, just a lot of possible > hands to be used. > = > Last but not least, I even offered to be the *HOST*. I actually did since= I > had the idea to bring IETF to Madrid in summer 2001 when I talked for the > first time about that during the London meeting with the secretariat. > = > So, now tell me, why this or that host has higher priority to host a meet= ing > ? It should be more a planning question, and if the plan was to have that > meeting in Europe, the host offering Europe should take precedence, > specially having offered it since so long time. > = > Now, I'm not really interested and even discouraged to try to host again = in > Madrid, but if Drew drop me a message and I get a firm commitment that I'm > not going to waste my time in getting a similar or even better situation > (considering funding from the government/others, cost of the venue, etc.)= as > when I did the previous time, then and only then, I will reconsider my > position. I'm happy to spend as many of my cycles as required, but > definitively will not waste them in a useless way. > = > Regards, > Jordi > = > = > = > = >> From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" >> Reply-To: >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:30:53 +0300 >> To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez , <72attendees@ie= tf.org> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: >> Guestroom >> Network not under NOC Control) >> = >> Jordi, >> = >> Your recollection of the past is a little bit different that mine. I >> remember the last time you tried there were open ends in many things unt= il >> very late of the process. This and other reasons made the main host to >> decide on a different venue (San Diego). Siemens was the host for that >> possible meeting. The people who were mostly involved from Siemens are n= ow >> part of Nokia Siemens Network, who I happen to work for as well. The main >> thing is that host was very much involved on the change of the meeting >> location! If you want to talk about specifics of that time, I'm happy to >> talk to you off-line. >> = >> It seems that the next scheduled European meeting without a host is at >> Summer 2010. If you have a host, or funding to host, please, contact Drew >> Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org or the IAD. If you even have a location in >> mind, better it is! >> = >> Cheers, >> = >> Jonne. >> = >> On 7/29/08 1:01 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" >> wrote: >> = >>> And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and s= o on, >>> such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify= the >>> venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this = one >>> or even San Diego. >>> = >>> Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world t= hat >>> offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered >>> ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better >>> commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaura= nt >>> choices in the venue and around, etc. >>> = >>> So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is = the >>> organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as >>> irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). >>> = >>> Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this ag= ain >>> unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to >>> raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will >>> consider it again. >>> = >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>>> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist >>>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200 >>>> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum >>>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: >>>> Guestroom >>>> Network not under NOC Control) >>>> = >>>> = >>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>>> = >>>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: >>>>> = >>>>>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >>>>>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location >>>>> = >>>>> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. >>>>> = >>>>> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can >>>>> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets >>>>> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of >>>>> one party, the other is unhappy. >>>> = >>>> If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further >>>> said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has >>>> been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance >>>> fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays >>>> for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on >>>> the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we >>>> can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up >>>> significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on >>>> sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all >>>> the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to >>>> your brand and the marketing value is negative. >>>> = >>>> Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC >>>> volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a >>>> meeting. >>>> = >>>> Best regards, >>>> = >>>> - kurtis - >>>> = >>>> = >>>> PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - >>>> issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF lis= t. >>>> = >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ********************************************** >>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >>> = >>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >>> http://www.ipv6day.org >>> = >>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be awa= re >>> that >>> any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >>> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> = >> -- = >> Jonne Soininen >> Nokia Siemens Networks >> = >> Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 >> E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com >> = >> = > = > = > = > = > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > = > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > = > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. 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I didn't say the t-shirt ruined the meeting, its just one more point. But it is not true that enough information was provided, as they didn't indicated that they will close the distribution of the t-shirts at a given time, so in my case, I was not able to plan accordingly. Is like if there is a decision to close down the cookies delivery 30 minutes ahead of the plenary, without telling the participants. Will not be the end of the world, but it will be one more disappointing issue. Regards, Jordi > From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:10:27 +0300 > To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez , "72attendees@iet= f.org" > <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up > = > Jordi, > = > Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provi= de. > I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time > in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe ba= sed > on the IETF T-shirts. > = > T-shirt sizes are a black magic of its own. As the T-shirts are the > responsibility of the host, the next host has to start from scratch and > estimate the T-shirt size distribution if they don't get the last time's > distribution. So, sometimes the size distribution might not be 100% corre= ct. > This has been the case always in the IETF. > = > This time, the host very clearly informed that the T-shirts are coming on > Tuesday, and they also informed this list when they would be available. I > think that was very good. I'm sure there were enough possibilities to get > your T-shirt. = > = > I am sorry that your meeting was ruined by getting a wrong size T-shirt. > Maybe for the next meeting, remember that you might want to be early for = the > T-shirts, if they are very important for you. > = > Cheers, > = > Jonne. > = > = > = > On 7/31/08 7:41 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" > wrote: > = >> Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years. >> = >> And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it is c= lear >> it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table when >> they decide, without a previous announcement. >> = >> Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being fair a= nd >> coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much in = many >> aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> = >> Regards, >> Jordi >> = >> = >> = >> = >>> From: Ole Jacobsen >>> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen >>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) >>> To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez >>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >>> = >>> Jordi, >>> = >>> I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved, >>> but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that >>> the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do. >>> In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, >>> that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. >>> = >>> Ole >>> = >>> Ole J. Jacobsen >>> Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal >>> Cisco Systems >>> Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 >>> E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj >>> = >>> = >>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> = >>>> Hi, >>>> = >>>> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall= in >>>> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of t= he >>>> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size a= re >>>> required. >>>> = >>>> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registr= ation >>>> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up t= he >>>> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry = it is >>>> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to= the >>>> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially becaus= e the >>>> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy"= , so >>>> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly >>>> "sorry, >>>> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, >>>> otherwise, better don't do it". >>>> = >>>> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was >>>> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, = but L >>>> or XL definitively not. >>>> = >>>> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. >>>> = >>>> Regards, >>>> Jordi >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>>> From: Marcia Beaulieu >>>>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 >>>>> To: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>>>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >>>>> = >>>>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, >>>>> 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent >>>>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. >>>>> = >>>>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. >>>>> = >>>>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. >>>>> = >>>>> Regards, >>>>> = >>>>> Alcatel-Lucent >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> ********************************************** >>>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >>>> = >>>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >>>> http://www.ipv6day.org >>>> = >>>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >>>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >>>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aw= are >>>> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of t= his >>>> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> = >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>>> = >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ********************************************** >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> = >> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >> http://www.ipv6day.org >> = >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware >> that >> any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >> = >> = >> = >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > = > -- = > Jonne Soininen > Nokia Siemens Networks > = > Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 > E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com > = > = ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any dis= closure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, = including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:35:34 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E51A28C272; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:35:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F5F28C272 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.721 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.721 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.122, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Q3FHEjRhFf9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5092828C260 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIZlAh020263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:35:47 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VIZk6J013293; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:35:46 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.12]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:35:46 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.22]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:35:45 +0200 Received: from 10.162.76.223 ([10.162.76.223]) by FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.28]) via Exchange Front-End Server webmail.bn.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:35:44 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:35:42 +0300 From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" To: ext Tony Hansen Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Thread-Index: AcjzPDyUwamK4Ix29UeYftjiepUsRw== In-Reply-To: <489204A8.2090801@att.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 18:35:45.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EE87C30:01C8F33C] Cc: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tony, My unofficial T-shirt has worn off already long ago. However, we didn't really get those, we paid for it. It was true that Siemens did deliver some T-shirts after the plenary. However, only the good boys and girls who went to the plenary got it. I still have mine.. ;) Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 9:30 PM, "ext Tony Hansen" wrote: > Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo) wrote: >> Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provide. >> I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time >> in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe based >> on the IETF T-shirts. > > In Australia, we got 2 shirts! The unofficial one we paid for ourselves > because there wasn't going to be an official one, and then someone > decided to sponsor an official one that was delivered after the plenary. > > The unofficial Aussie shirt is still my favorite. > > Tony Hansen > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:41:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FAA3A6D04; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F513A68E0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:41:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.843, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwAACv+M0Ush for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu (CHOKECHERRY.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.185.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726983A6892 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.120] ([130.129.19.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6VHfvA2008179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:41:57 +0100 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com, mohacsi@niif.hu, 72attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807301404.m6UE4Agb025410@grapenut.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <48902ABB.9020103@bogus.com> <20080730140049.W71006@mignon.ki.iif.hu> <200807301404.m6UE4Agb025410@grapenut.srv.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:41:56 -0700 Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [72attendees] PGP keysigning procedure X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --On Wednesday, July 30, 2008 05:03:10 PM +0300 Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote: > I was wondering what it is, too. I'm pretty sure Janos was asking for information about the specific procedures we would use, rather than the more general "what is it". Since he managed to send in his key in time and showed up at the session, I presume he got the information needed. The key-signing is nothing more or less than an opportunity to get together with other people who also have PGP keys for the purpose of signing each other's keys. Key signatures are the basis of PGP's web-of-trust model; they are an assertion by the signer that the signed key actually belongs to a particular person. > From the invitation I understood it goes on paper. For some reason which > I do not quite understand (we should be preserving the environment > instead of chopping wood for such reason). The parallel fingerprint verification scheme we use works best if, instead of having to manually record each 160-bit fingerprint, participants start with a list of fingerprints and merely have to verify that they are correct. Traditionally, that list is distributed both online and on paper; many people prefer the paper form for various reasons. Personally, I find that my on-paper notes about which fingerprints are valid are much harder for a remote attacker to modify than an electronic version would be. Others may show up to the session without a laptop; hard as it is to believe, some IETF attendees still do not bring laptops. > The thing is that 'they' never provide proper description in the > invitation, so I guess it's a private club for those who know, or those > who dare. I'm sorry you feel that way. It's certainly not a private club; key signings are open to anyone who wants to participate. However, I've basically assumed (as did Ted Ts'o, when he was running these) that the only people who will want to participate are those who have or are thinking about generating PGP keys, and that for _those_ people, the phrase "PGP key signing party" is sufficient description, and the rest of the invitation enough detail to successfully participate. Perhaps that assumption is invalid; if so, please let me know what the invitation could have said that would make it clearer what is going on. > My - probably non-sense - guess is that it works like a lottery; you pick > someone's name from Santa's hat and you get to sign a message together. Not at all -- we use a procedure designed to scale linearly for even a large number of participants, while allowing everyone to potentially get a signature from everyone else. No hats are involved. -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:41:58 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E22728C2D5; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02B228C154 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.333, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2jHyu1n0zsPk for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115D3A68E0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VI2tUk005863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:55 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VI2tsr006746 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:55 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC005.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.17]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:55 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:54 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: Oldest IETF Person Thread-Index: AcjzN6f0q2Z9W6lpRJWGk6rCwBceiw== From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich)" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 18:02:55.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[A83DEA80:01C8F337] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:41:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hi, during I'm listening to the IESG Q&A I'm just curious: Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? Scott, John, Vint or somebody else? Mehmet = = -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ext Bert Wijnen (IETF) Gesendet: 31.07.2008 18:46:36 An: ext Bert Wijnen (IETF);72attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [72attendees] Fw: Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) +1 Bert > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Marc Blanchet" > To: "Andrew Sullivan" > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) > > > +1. Marc. > > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >> I have a different personal view. >> >> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have >> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >> outlier. >> >> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >> I'm envious. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> -- = >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@commandprompt.com >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > = _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org 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"Jordi Martinez" , "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> From: rpelletier@isoc.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:16:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I provided the Host the T-shirt size numbers based on the extrapolation of = the experience of a_ previous Host some time ago. = Not their fault. We will find another way to determine sizes. = These are nice shirts. = Ray IAD Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:10:27 = To: ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ; 72attendees@ietf.= org<72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up Jordi, Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provide. I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe based on the IETF T-shirts. T-shirt sizes are a black magic of its own. As the T-shirts are the responsibility of the host, the next host has to start from scratch and estimate the T-shirt size distribution if they don't get the last time's distribution. So, sometimes the size distribution might not be 100% correct. This has been the case always in the IETF. This time, the host very clearly informed that the T-shirts are coming on Tuesday, and they also informed this list when they would be available. I think that was very good. I'm sure there were enough possibilities to get your T-shirt. = I am sorry that your meeting was ruined by getting a wrong size T-shirt. Maybe for the next meeting, remember that you might want to be early for the T-shirts, if they are very important for you. Cheers, Jonne. On 7/31/08 7:41 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" wrote: > Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years. > = > And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it is cl= ear > it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table when > they decide, without a previous announcement. > = > Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being fair and > coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much in m= any > aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever > attended. Of course, a personal view. > = > Regards, > Jordi > = > = > = > = >> From: Ole Jacobsen >> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen >> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) >> To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez >> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >> = >> Jordi, >> = >> I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved, >> but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that >> the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do. >> In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket, >> that has been extended to "everyone" more recently. >> = >> Ole >> = >> Ole J. Jacobsen >> Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal >> Cisco Systems >> Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 >> E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj >> = >> = >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> = >>> Hi, >>> = >>> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall = in >>> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the >>> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are >>> required. >>> = >>> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registra= tion >>> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the >>> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry i= t is >>> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to = the >>> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because= the >>> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy",= so >>> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly "s= orry, >>> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly, >>> otherwise, better don't do it". >>> = >>> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was >>> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, b= ut L >>> or XL definitively not. >>> = >>> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody. >>> = >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>>> From: Marcia Beaulieu >>>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> >>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100 >>>> To: <72attendees@ietf.org> >>>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up >>>> = >>>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31, >>>> 2008). Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent >>>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available. >>>> = >>>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday. >>>> = >>>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster. >>>> = >>>> Regards, >>>> = >>>> Alcatel-Lucent >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> 72attendees mailing list >>>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> ********************************************** >>> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >>> = >>> Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! >>> http://www.ipv6day.org >>> = >>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >>> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be awa= re >>> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of th= is >>> information, including attached files, is prohibited. >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> = >>>_______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >>> = > = > = > = > = > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > = > Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! > http://www.ipv6day.org > = > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware= that > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, including attached files, is prohibited. > = > = > = >_______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees -- = Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 12:12:06 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4560928C300; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2728C189 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ViNoRayBwTAq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waikiki.gih.co.uk (salsa.gih.co.uk [212.124.200.129]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 87D6328C273 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALOHA2 (ANice-151-1-32-103.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.197.128.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by waikiki.gih.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VJD063000380; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:13:04 +0100 Message-ID: <038701c8f341$46f452a0$5701a8c0@ALOHA2> From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" To: "Tobias Heer" , <72attendees@ietf.org> References: <9198488A-23A6-4F35-BB74-04256ECD5C0B@cs.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:11:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Tried and tested: taking a cab at 4:00am lets you arrive at 4:30am at the airport. Yes, only 30 minutes driving at that time of the night. That said, the airport was already crowded at 5:00am yesterday morning. To save time, have the cab drop you off on the other side of the car park where there is an escalator that takes you across and you miss the traffic jam at departure drop-off zone. Make sure you order your complimentary "grab and go" breakfast bag from reception which contains a bread roll, a danish pastry, a raisin pastry, a croissant, a piece of butter (with plastic knife) & an apple. I thoroughly enjoyed this whilst in the cab. O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tobias Heer" To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: [72attendees] Sharing a Taxi Fri 4:00 AM? > Hi, > > is anyone interested in sharing a cab to the airport on Fri morning 4.00 > AM? My plane leaves at 7:00 AM. > > Tobias > > > > -- Dipl.-Inform. Tobias Heer, Ph.D. Student > Distributed Systems Group > RWTH Aachen University, Germany > http://ds.cs.rwth-aachen.de/members/heer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 12:20:53 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65F43A69DA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149643A69DA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-2J1XvC33za for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout3.cns.ohiou.edu (smtpout3.cns.ohiou.edu [132.235.51.106]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D0A3A6993 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208,217";a="461117090" Received: from oak3a.cats.ohiou.edu (HELO oak.cats.ohiou.edu) ([132.235.8.151]) by smtpout3.cns.ohiou.edu with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 15:21:08 -0400 Received: from [130.129.65.37] by pm1 (PureMessage); Thu Jul 31 15:20:41 2008 Received: from [172.17.3.102] ([130.129.65.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by oak.cats.ohiou.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6VJKcRc2075613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Hans Kruse To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:20:38 -0400 References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2008.7.31.114156 (pm1) X-PMX-Information: http://technology.ohio.edu/email/filtering/ X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='HTML_50_70 0.1, BODY_SIZE_7000_7999 0, RDNS_NXDOMAIN 0, RDNS_SUSP 0, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_POSSIBLE_EXPLOIT_SUBJ 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __FRAUD_419_INTRO 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0' Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0157585086==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============0157585086== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-854153490 --Apple-Mail-12-854153490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1. Good hotel, good service, productive meeting. On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > +1. Marc. > > Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >>> attended. Of course, a personal view. >> >> I have a different personal view. >> >> I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and >> productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose >> petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to >> control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was >> not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I >> nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the >> facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and >> well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I =20 >> have >> been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an >> outlier. >> >> The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people >> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. >> I'm envious. >> >> Best regards, >> >> A >> >> --=20 >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@commandprompt.com >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > ----- > IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees Hans Kruse, Professor J. Warren McClure School of Information and Telecommunication Systems Adjunct Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer =20 Science 292 Lindley Hall, Ohio University, Athens, OH, 45701 740-593-4891 voice, 740-593-4889 fax --Apple-Mail-12-854153490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1.  Good hotel, good = service, productive meeting.


On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:11 = PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:

+1. = Marc.

Le 08-07-31 =E0 18:09, Andrew Sullivan a =E9crit = :

Dear = colleagues,

On Thu, Jul 31, = 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote:
unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I = ever
attended. Of course, a personal = view.

I have a = different personal view.

I thank the = hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable = and
productive week. =  While I was not carried about on a litter with = rose
petals thrown in my path = while faeries made sure that I was able to
control any network for 80 kms around, and while the = temperature was
not controlled = to my personal specification 24 hours a day, = I
nevertheless found the hotel = staff helpful and cheerful, the
facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth = and
well-planned.  I can = think of many events and meetings to which I = have
been that were quite a = bit worse.  Perhaps my experience is an
outlier.

The only real = sour note has been the discovery that some = people
normally live in a = world completely arranged for their = convenience.
I'm = envious.

Best = regards,

A

-- =
Andrew = Sullivan
ajs@commandprompt.com
+1 503 667 4564 = x104
http://www.commandprompt.com/
_______________________________________________
72attendees mailing = list
72attendees@ietf.org
https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees

-----
IPv6 = book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca



= _______________________________________________
72attendees mailing = list
72attendees@ietf.org
https://w= ww.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees

<= div>

Hans Kruse, Professor

J. Warren McClure School of Information and = Telecommunication Systems

Adjunct Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and = Computer Science

292 Lindley Hall, Ohio University, Athens, OH, = 45701

740-593-4891 voice, 740-593-4889 fax


 =

= --Apple-Mail-12-854153490-- --===============0157585086== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0157585086==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 12:52:49 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C222E28C27C; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165DE28C1E1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oxnbi8kYjSiP for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multicasttech.com (lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7084B28C27C for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 12312786; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:53:05 -0400 Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:53:03 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org, Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: Re: [72attendees] air quality in plenary X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > We are working on this right now and you should (hopefully) feel > results > soon. > Indeed we did. I would like to thank the Secretariat staff and the volunteers for all of their efforts. IMHO this was a very productive meeting. Regards Marshall > Alexa > > > On 7/31/08 9:09 AM, "Iljitsch van Beijnum" wrote: > >> Not a NOC issue, so I'll just direct it here... >> >> The air breathes like soup in the plenary, and we haven't even >> started >> yet. >> >> I think we need the A/C despite the noise. >> >> Iljitsch >> _______________________________________________ >> 72attendees mailing list >> 72attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 13:41:51 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408633A69FA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59B73A69FA for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gx3rgCPOPFTt for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A255F3A68FB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.5.63] ([130.129.65.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VKg2nL029536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:42:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:42:02 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich)" References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/7903/Thu Jul 31 11:51:18 2008 on sbh17.songbird.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich) wrote: > Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? Define oldest. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 13:46:45 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE9A28C2AD; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60743A6AF9 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2akRYhbauZxd for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EE23A6993 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpaz33.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz33.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.97]) by smtp-out3.google.com with ESMTP id m6VKkT4u006027; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:46:30 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1217537190; bh=qAbsEWEmG83zTQ9qgp+2Ul9PLKo=; h=DomainKey-Signature:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject: Date:To:X-Mailer; b=jiAQ2S+BrEhZvB86oiWINdOjeMIzP0Q8VQvK5/Y8fdngO4 fQqUW2YntRzBbHPBdOczgZ5hTF9qHJw9rlLznmrw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc: content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uCrhtL9d3Y/TCybXcbjPtZ6cI8ENda5FC31EqjdewS5MDrmakCmPi625Dsl1dtkEs YNeKbzB/b/K2zttwmG1gg== Received: from [172.31.57.11] ([172.31.57.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by wpaz33.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6VKkQn7008743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> References: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <431D7237-E673-477E-95F3-1112AA035001@google.com> From: Vint Cerf Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:45:34 -0400 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Muenich\)" , 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org it must be either danny cohen or bob braden in terms of chronological age of attendee. v On Jul 31, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > > Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich) wrote: >> Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? > > > Define oldest. > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 14:01:57 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1483A6816; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3203A6816 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FiESGFKLfxq6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D7C3A679F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,288,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15952700" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 21:02:06 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VL25Lr002377; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:02:05 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VL25Zb002647; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:02:05 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp02.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-97-180.cisco.com [10.61.97.180]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id m6VL25J23157; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:02:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200807312102.m6VL25J23157@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:02:03 +0100 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich)" From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> References: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=271; t=1217538125; x=1218402125; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[72attendees]=20Oldest=20IETF=20Person |Sender:=20; bh=DalZNaXFibbeSj680DnHKmxXvjMqXlqBR8QK/xlKMm0=; b=smGgGlZHWBA6pMLja+NP+ZAgHep0zikIAyXNQc1xLqIDQ7MiU69COSHlVS NiZn/GRJb8au2YaTqTgT8mJc5FcRItpNRRsRXnXjIo5I6ktY/AD4d1LBy1aF 6xFC0MFKul; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At Thursday 31/07/2008 21:42 +0100, Dave Crocker wrote: >Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich) wrote: >>Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? > >Define oldest. From the tcpm minutes: Ross Callon: comments from IESG discussion perspective. I was at first IETF! _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 14:02:10 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7003A6CD9; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442733A6ABE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gw1qFqyxMF8Y for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAF03A68FB for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spaceape24.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape24.eur.corp.google.com [172.28.16.76]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m6VL1vQ1012253; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:01:57 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1217538117; bh=w5lW7eS/rylk19705MRZ3ap0qsU=; h=DomainKey-Signature:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject: Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Gx8lBAg04jGFZ7VBe813nGu0SV0162h6bRn1992d1TlYDD CKOtybP/r3U4/rcNjYLhzueyTxVuTfl4NrrpetKQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc: content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ktpMaKp4pPFPWm+9DdH2Swa6+froDFEZ4jZJqHvqKBAohtc2ukk2GdzhWNZhAOtDq fEY0QoKMt9gyfMk1swxAg== Received: from [172.31.57.11] ([172.31.57.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by spaceape24.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m6VL1rT7016568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <48922767.9000607@bbiw.net> References: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> <431D7237-E673-477E-95F3-1112AA035001@google.com> <48922767.9000607@bbiw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <44CC5FD5-98E2-4C9A-B544-CA7ECB102F52@google.com> From: Vint Cerf Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:01:01 -0400 To: Dave Crocker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Muenich\)" , 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org perhaps although IETF as a particular entity would have been established about 1983 by Barry Leiner (RIP). Mike Corrigan ran that but Phill Gross had the operational responsibility. Of course, Phill hasn't attended in a while I think. Bob Braden may well be the most senior continuous attendee. v On Jul 31, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > in terms of "the farthest back in history" or "from the earliest > IETF history, would that be you and Bob, again? > > d/ > > Vint Cerf wrote: >> it must be either danny cohen or bob braden in terms of >> chronological age of attendee. >> v >> On Jul 31, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich) wrote: >>>> Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? >>> >>> >>> Define oldest. >>> >>> d/ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dave Crocker >>> Brandenburg InternetWorking >>> bbiw.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 72attendees mailing list >>> 72attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 14:29:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CBC28C2E3; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76973A6961 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FnkDpEgUkXiZ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC57028C2E3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,288,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="91753750" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 21:29:44 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VLTi82013640; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:29:44 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VLTTk8015631; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:29:44 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:29:42 -0400 Received: from sbrim-mbp.local ([161.44.11.166]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <48922EC3.7050008@employees.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:29:39 +0100 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vint Cerf References: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> <431D7237-E673-477E-95F3-1112AA035001@google.com> <48922767.9000607@bbiw.net> <44CC5FD5-98E2-4C9A-B544-CA7ECB102F52@google.com> In-Reply-To: <44CC5FD5-98E2-4C9A-B544-CA7ECB102F52@google.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 21:29:41.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B09B210:01C8F354] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=swb@employees.org; dkim=neutral Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Muenich\)" , 72attendees@ietf.org, Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/31/08 10:01 PM, Vint Cerf allegedly wrote: > perhaps although IETF as a particular entity would have been established > about 1983 by Barry Leiner (RIP). Mike Corrigan ran that but Phill Gross > had the operational responsibility. > Of course, Phill hasn't attended in a while I think. Bob Braden may well > be the most senior continuous attendee. > v I'm pretty sure Mike St Johns holds the record for number of meetings attended. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 15:16:27 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9837028C21A; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848873A6D55 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZ3OlX3pMhKY for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FE533A6A8F for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22470 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 22:16:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g6XjkUN4t/DnULa8/kCC7o1TcWb6lssStFwo8yZBVGPe9LHA49MFIy6Wynb3S3/GhkSCNRFy2wrz2uqxw+qSCa6TZhhnbSy5LM1Cra7t8OA3k92P+vfyGd9uTa3ofyF/NmwDy7hL6EEu0s5nolkB3eHWGFnVhYOBaKkK7orjkaI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.108?) (tom.taylor@rogers.com@86.42.240.181 with plain) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 22:16:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kz6J2yUVM1nE1vEgliwgpY7Xo.hkAKl5xRqAuzeNpufgfWYxF73HO66EiR0UqaGN1Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <489239C3.7070302@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:35 +0100 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich)" References: In-Reply-To: Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Well, I know I'm not the oldest, but Scott is younger than me. Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich) wrote: > Hi, > > during I'm listening to the IESG Q&A I'm just curious: > > Who is actually the oldest IETF attendee? > > Scott, John, Vint or somebody else? > > Mehmet > ... _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 16:17:32 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830113A69F7; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710183A69F7 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.980, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_ALMOST_IP=1.889, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_EQ_STATIC=1.172, HOST_EQ_STATICIP=1.511, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnciqYTylGPB for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.com (160.Red-217-126-187.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.187.160]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D774F3A67A5 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142]) by consulintel.com (consulintel.com) (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50000216572.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:17:05 +0200 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217549636; x=1218154436; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=EboHLnZA+oMnRW SJoeWjjOSglj32W3dGKlkqBFsDbZrO1vh2ehu3BCxx+6HQoRIaxGZHlP1ZiyktbR UzyMYGxwLmraCNRwA+ucDuY4VwriC4DaIYbpcy7VIpJuMk9m+smz5mzjM7/YK9Yz PgAdQ72K7hA/8qB5UvsN7rESwYeYA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=pOa5PCG0/u0Tt1Vrvhr8rVBfWBkOBY2yHbAomEnFC5XJKyi6Mpjw9rUtL0l/ZjAkIDNFzvbMU+78gXXLbxYE5GvzHDh+1kGWyLXc6I0/7CxKuwOB6/icD5C5G1dwO1ei9PLLXPiFPWBx4EEKyk3xD0kpsJy++Zkr46Q07pWnxSQ=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002989584.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:17:59 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:18:49 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) Thread-Index: AcjzKR0/AA6Jc3XZQkKBM72rGmTz5g== In-Reply-To: <0ED6A14C-AEBB-42E6-BC27-9FBEFBB9CD10@kurtis.pp.se> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080731:72attendees@ietf.org::CHt8eUwJBI/NyQrp:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000VW5 X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:13:55 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:13:56 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.com, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:17:05 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 213.172.48.142 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.com, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:17:12 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org I didn't suggested that Madrid was bidding against Dublin. Regards, Jordi > From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:09 +0200 > To: Jordi Palet Mart=EDnez > Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Gues= troom > Network not under NOC Control) > = > = > Jordi, > = > On 29 jul 2008, at 12.01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > = >> And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue >> and so on, >> such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you >> disqualify the >> venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with >> this one >> or even San Diego. >> = >> Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the >> world that >> offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered >> ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better >> commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more >> restaurant >> choices in the venue and around, etc. >> = >> So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down >> is the >> organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as >> irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example). >> = >> Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this >> again >> unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much >> to >> raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they >> will >> consider it again. > = > At least as long as I was on the IAOC (during BTW when this proposal > was evaluated) we every now and then (but not always) have several > venues to select from and then does a site evaluation and weighs the > pros and cons. That is then discussed with the localhosts and > eventually a venue is selected. The IAOC never provides public > comments or names the venues not selected or the reasons for it. When > there are multiple choices there will always be venues not selected, > of the venues that have not been selected the only one that keep > coming back up here is that you bring up your failed bid for Madrid. > But what I really wanted to comment on is that the above sounds like > MAdrid was considered as an alternative to Dublin. AFAIK it never was. > = > Best regards, > = > - kurtis - > = > = > = ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any dis= closure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, = including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 16:27:43 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E6D3A6A2D; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421403A6A2D for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nPzZzGMAihbE for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821653A69F7 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,289,1215388800"; d="scan'208,217";a="15955937" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 23:26:53 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VNQrje023824; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:26:53 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VNQrFF020057; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:26:53 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-33a.cisco.com ([144.254.231.85]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:26:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:26:43 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Some thanks Thread-Index: AcjzNGpJQ1fBhbpESbyxykG6cxRPHwAMHnlV References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> <80BBE58D-FAB8-490D-A45B-CC867C422280@viagenie.ca> <4891F5B7.6070101@netlab.hut.fi> <4891F8D5.8050902@cisco.com> From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" , <72attendees@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 23:26:53.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA47C3B0:01C8F364] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2169; t=1217546813; x=1218410813; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mmorrow@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Monique=20Morrow=20(mmorrow)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[72attendees]=20Some=20thanks |Sender:=20; bh=JbcX6lx2L2QRSukmM+sDJO4em2nSLb6PKpSG7pR8ZtE=; b=uutLL1j98ZQf+wQ8GjVEpHEzg4CsjuP7lDHhaRPIAuK8ihf/Stx2ZMnrZ6 8mFYkpU8jJnAF92TnY5+Mlptgwbg1wGiq1KDHxhC3IutoN/dXU67hfVkTlDt 8/CIi9yLBU; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=mmorrow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0632030892==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0632030892== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8F364.E9F2FCC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F364.E9F2FCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second that ! /m Monique Jeanne Morrow SP APAC CTO/Distinguished Consulting Engineer -----Original Message----- From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Stewart Bryant = (stbryant) Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 10:39 AM To: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks =20 Great venue, great staff, great food, a good room and no problems with=20 the network. I hope we come back again. Thanks to all. Stewart > > > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F364.E9F2FCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [72attendees] Some thanks

I second that !

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Monique Jeanne Morrow
SP APAC CTO/Distinguished Consulting Engineer



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Great venue, great staff, great food, a good room and no problems = with
the network.

I hope we come back again.

Thanks to all.

Stewart


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F364.E9F2FCC0-- --===============0632030892== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============0632030892==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 17:17:31 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4023A6D52; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE9B3A6B47 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:17:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2J1f0J5cDUI1 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268743A69E0 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 8) id D89DC29E14E3; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.23.8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2392629E14D4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1E97790A-CB46-4F00-A96B-A5BFDA4FACC4@viagenie.ca> From: Marc Blanchet To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:17:05 +0100 References: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer today 7:45pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1816734701==" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org --===============1816734701== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-106-871940881 --Apple-Mail-106-871940881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that game was really fun. here are some pictures taken by Simon =20 Perreault with my camera. = http://web.mac.com/marc.blanchet/iWeb/Marc%20Blanchet/2008-07-31-ietf-dubl= in-soccer.html Marc. Le 08-07-31 =E0 17:17, Roque Gagliano a =E9crit : > Hi, > > The soccer game is starting today after the plenary. I am attaching =20= > the list of people that signed for this game, please bring two t-=20 > shirts (one dark and one white) to form the teams. > > Regards, > > Roque > > > > Roque Gagliano > Alberto Castro > Mart=EDn Germ=E1n > Sean > Matthijs Mekking > Jukka Manner > aleez > Adam Uzelac > Marc Blanchet > Olafur Gudmundson > Joe Salowey > Dirk Kutscher > Lionel Morand > Laurent Ciavaglia > Eric Burger > Jinhong Yang > Yangjung Kim > J=F6rg Ott > Raphael Coeffic > Victor Pascual > Marco Tomsu > Yuichi IGARASHI > SATOH, Hiroki > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ----- IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley, http://www.ipv6book.ca --Apple-Mail-106-871940881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that game was really fun. here = are some pictures taken by Simon Perreault with my = camera.

http://web.mac.com/marc.blanchet/iWeb/Marc%20Blanc= het/2008-07-31-ietf-dublin-soccer.html

Marc.

Le 08-07-31 =E0 17:17, Roque Gagliano a =E9crit = :

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= --Apple-Mail-106-871940881-- --===============1816734701== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees --===============1816734701==-- From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 23:08:03 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1503A69CC; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C0028C25E for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3EAccFrWu0Eq for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10FF3A67D4 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from [172.17.6.204] ([130.129.65.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m71684np017229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4892A838.4070304@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:07:52 +0200 From: Dirk Kutscher User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> <1E97790A-CB46-4F00-A96B-A5BFDA4FACC4@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <1E97790A-CB46-4F00-A96B-A5BFDA4FACC4@viagenie.ca> Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer today 7:45pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Marc Blanchet wrote: > that game was really fun. here are some pictures taken by Simon > Perreault with my camera. Thanks for the pictures and thanks to Roque for organizing this -- very fun indeed! Best regards, Dirk (aka Nakazawa ;-) _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 23:16:50 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9A23A6A0F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4D53A6A0F for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.377, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8qN2shwkWL3A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640803A67A3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOnwn-0004Qv-Bz; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:17:05 +0200 Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9EE2F592; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4892AA61.6040503@ripe.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:17:05 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> In-Reply-To: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d54e2a75585724ef84d0255560b9140dd6 Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for posting this, Andrew, I fully support this. Henk Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >> attended. Of course, a personal view. > > I have a different personal view. > > I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and > productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose > petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to > control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was > not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I > nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the > facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and > well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have > been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an > outlier. > > The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people > normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. > I'm envious. > > Best regards, > > A > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 23:52:38 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15F43A6D2F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5683A6AB6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.157 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.157 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.442, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mdJTLE+Nb0OZ for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; 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Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gregory-T60.gmail.com ( [66.129.225.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k9sm1313468wah.7.2008.07.31.23.54.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:56:02 -0700 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4892b337.09ed720a.57d5.4145@mx.google.com> Subject: [72attendees] Cab Fri 08:45 X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Hey all, I've got a cab lined up for 08:45, and I'll be leaving at that time SHARP for the airport. If you'd like to share, u are welcome to join. No need to email back (and by all means DON'T reply-all). Just be outside the front doors at that time. I'll be in a royal blue IETF50 longsleeve Tshirt. Gregory. +++++++++++++++++++++++ IETF-related email from Gregory M. Lebovitz Juniper Networks g r e go r y d o t i e tf a t g m a i l do t c o m _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 00:05:36 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2C93A697E; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8379B3A6943 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MpUEye-fMjto for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.helsinki.fi (courier.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D7D3A6836 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbz-31.cs.helsinki.fi (sbz-31.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.99]) (AUTH: PLAIN cs-relay, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.cs.helsinki.fi with esmtp; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:04:44 +0300 id 000A3E0A.4892B58C.00005618 Received: by sbz-31.cs.helsinki.fi (Postfix, from userid 50703) id 4FEFD14092; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:04:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sbz-31.cs.helsinki.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D76513FF8 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:04:44 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:04:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauri J T Liuhto To: 72attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4892A838.4070304@tzi.org> Message-ID: References: <4AFA88AC-0FC0-4C52-A283-E82A705ED0AF@lacnic.net> <1E97790A-CB46-4F00-A96B-A5BFDA4FACC4@viagenie.ca> <4892A838.4070304@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Soccer today 7:45pm X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Marc Blanchet wrote: > > that game was really fun. here are some pictures taken by Simon Perreault > > with my camera. > > Thanks for the pictures and thanks to Roque for organizing this -- very fun > indeed! Short video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY52zV7wEiw Enjoy :) Lauri -- Lauri Liuhto _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 00:18:07 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE13328C0DE; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:18:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C986A3A6D2C for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH+dT1eUnl3s for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from episteme-software.com (jabber.episteme-software.com [75.145.176.241]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B273A6C21 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.8.139] (127.0.0.1) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.7); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:17:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: presnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <48922EC3.7050008@employees.org> References: <4892239A.5010704@dcrocker.net> <431D7237-E673-477E-95F3-1112AA035001@google.com> <48922767.9000607@bbiw.net> <44CC5FD5-98E2-4C9A-B544-CA7ECB102F52@google.com> <48922EC3.7050008@employees.org> User-Agent: Eudora 6.2.5b1(Macintosh) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:17:51 +0100 To: Scott Brim From: Pete Resnick Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Muenich\)" , 72attendees@ietf.org, Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On 7/31/08 at 10:29 PM +0100, Scott Brim wrote: >On 7/31/08 10:01 PM, Vint Cerf allegedly wrote: >>perhaps although IETF as a particular entity would have been >>established about 1983 by Barry Leiner (RIP). Mike Corrigan ran >>that but Phill Gross had the operational responsibility. >>Of course, Phill hasn't attended in a while I think. Bob Braden may >>well be the most senior continuous attendee. > >I'm pretty sure Mike St Johns holds the record for number of >meetings attended. Of people on the attendance list of IETF 1 in 1986 , it appears to intersect the current IETF list in 3 places: Ross Callon Mike St. Johns Lixia Zhang I have no intention of trying to establish the chronological age of members of that particular list. :-) pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 00:20:52 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54A228C0E9; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D984F3A6CD2 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.311, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hl1gMLyxTuGa for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFFE3A6C21 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 04918954A2; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9EB6B157D84; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:17:37 +0100 (IST) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:17:37 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Eric Burger Message-ID: <20080801071736.GA20057@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <338203.78044.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <338203.78044.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] For those who don't have morning sessions today X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:52:23PM -0700, Eric Burger wrote a message of 8 lines which said: > http://www.astronomy2009.ie/solar_and_lunar_eclipses_in.html Just do not miss the warning: DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE SUN WITHOUT PROPER EYE PROTECTION, AS IT MIGHT PERMANENTLY DAMAGE YOUR EYESIGHT! _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 00:36:54 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3693A6AAD; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30063A690A for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id plVn--l6XQcb for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lemland.kurtis.pp.se (lemland.kurtis.pp.se [IPv6:2001:670:87:2::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA3E3A69D3 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:21d:4fff:fefc:b8f3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B582F78C2D; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:37:05 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <0B241D8F-BF64-4668-9A63-700E29AE7B5B@kurtis.pp.se> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist To: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:36:56 +0200 References: <20080731170911.GA92873@commandprompt.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d53 (v53, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well said! Thanks to Alcatel-Lucent, the volunteers and the secretariat for a well run meeting! I personally enjoyed the venue and found the location beautiful! Something to long for when we walk down the endless corridors in MPLS.... - - kurtis - On 31 jul 2008, at 19.09, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever >> attended. Of course, a personal view. > > I have a different personal view. > > I thank the hosts, the hotel, and the AMS staff for an enjoyable and > productive week. While I was not carried about on a litter with rose > petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to > control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was > not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day, I > nevertheless found the hotel staff helpful and cheerful, the > facilities pleasant, and the operation of meetings smooth and > well-planned. I can think of many events and meetings to which I have > been that were quite a bit worse. Perhaps my experience is an > outlier. > > The only real sour note has been the discovery that some people > normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. > I'm envious. > > Best regards, > > A > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@commandprompt.com > +1 503 667 4564 x104 > http://www.commandprompt.com/ > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > Best regards, - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiSvRkACgkQAFdZ6xrc/t6EUgCdGZF51z91CLd+vzPuIy3QD7gR JcQAnAxV9vFgrVfBtobyhId3n6q+8vHn =DMeH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 01:00:41 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC62628C0E0; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:00:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D462328C0E0 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xopczGd0OUWr for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [213.172.48.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1943A68D6 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:00:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nowsp; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1217581160; x=1218185960; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To: Message-ID:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Mime-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:Reply-To; b=dtvC1kFerPJGX9 13DO7xLe9qv9WdNEj7sngplc8Mew+TsMGiRZA9lcedZLcr4huxfIqbwqA/8dFN5M M/MjPLhPWb3QEEQ8ODdquhBI/ku6NgKITTc34oHVS5fDcAz+/JnZkRGB5Kmhg6mS KchCQrR6WWxN7qTLrmVopIi5+C9ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=consulintel.es; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=C+rRCub+ql4edYvNTVtx9h02OMb8u09I2ua7rJrgx77UpSrTz6/6/AsMgCoSmMwXEnn1D/u9ywMyBdVEmmmKARX1Y1B2Jra8cM4tR/hHA+RtGNfa/g9r5VxvP7zl1vd8bu/t1FH+eYenHw1EGUNsggYO8RuhFKuELugjhiyZYt4=; Received: from [130.129.21.7] by consulintel.es (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.5.R) with ESMTP id md50002990229.msg for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:59:17 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.11.0.080522 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:00:03 +0100 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site Thread-Index: AcjzrJpgpf1EFEy9gUWYQPdOmcMKFA== In-Reply-To: <8D8BF89F-5D2A-46BB-9C19-AB5DBB1AB245@iol.unh.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-HashCash: 1:20:080801:72attendees@ietf.org::uVhrpIGAFHruaJ5+:000000000000000000000000000000000000000003vTI X-MDRemoteIP: 130.129.21.7 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:59:19 +0200 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:59:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org You can also actually look to my dogs in my garden (if they want to look to the camera !), only with IPv6: http://ipv6cam.consulintel.com/ViewerFrame?Mode=3DMotion&Language=3D0 Yes, I know the garden is not too clean right now, but you know, I=B9ve been in Dublin all this week ... And I can=B9t do the clean up with IPv6 (yet !). Regards, Jordi From: Timothy Winters Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:15 -0400 To: <72attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [72attendees] Interesting IPv6 web site Here are some links on IPv6 network. http://unhipv6camera.iol.unh.edu/CgiStart?page=3DSingle&Language=3D0 or http://[2001:468:603:c001:280:f0ff:fe55:ea0c]/CgiStart?page=3DSingle&Langua= ge=3D 0 There is also www.moonv6.org . ~Tim _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(= s) named above. 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X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org The water coolers worked out well - thanks! At Monday 28/07/2008 17:23 +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote: >At Monday 28/07/2008 16:48 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:44:43AM -0400, >> Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote >> a message of 10 lines which said: >> >>> What's the best way to complain about the lack of (enough) water bottles >>> next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? >> >>Water at the tap is perfectly drinkable in Ireland (a country where >>water is never missing). > >What's the best way to complain about the lack of any taps >next to the IETF meetings, particularly during the break? > >L. > >not drinking from the toilet, thankyou. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees From 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 1 01:17:16 2008 Return-Path: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: 72attendees-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-72attendees-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260363A68D6; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 72attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F03A68D6 for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEybVgjuJGPK for <72attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372053A686B for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=rg+ietf@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1217578653; x=1249114653; h=message-id:x-mailer:x-message-flag:date:to:from:subject: content-type:x-random-sig-tag:x-ironport-av; z=Message-Id:=20 |X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for=20Mac=20OS=20X|X-message-flag: =20Warning:=20Outlook=20in=20use.=20=20Upgrade=20to=20Eud ora:=20|Date:=20Fri,=201=20Aug=202 008=2001:16:51=20-0700|To:=2072attendees@ietf.org|From: =20Randall=20Gellens=20|Subject:=20 Re:=20[72attendees]=20Some=20thanks=20(was:=20=2072nd=20- =20T-shirt=20Pick=20Up)|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20c harset=3D"us-ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowed" |X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b28|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5200,2160,5351"=3B=20a=3D"5065188"; bh=KZtqY/cM/r9YmSDwU+5F9h6UtxJqEQ5iF5OipgwdEXY=; b=uF34mvolIskA7vFSwDVWIGOinBu49JXi10t4X4fS0ADybeAQygFoNzzF GH8UtHKp2ifyGbExMl0XqO8DOuvoc6AlVL6Ti2whJyzIRLim9fhxTluHD zuuFHznQHtu9mkNOPt8sicwXruplickVPSWD7cN/c50/AVYaiWgCjIGWb 0=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5200,2160,5351"; a="5065188" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 01 Aug 2008 01:16:54 -0700 Received: from msgtransport02.qualcomm.com (msgtransport02.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m718Gr2T024441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:16:54 -0700 Received: from [172.16.14.74] (vpn-10-50-16-11.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.11]) by msgtransport02.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m718GoX7009039 for <72attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:16:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X X-message-flag: Warning: Outlook in use. Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:16:51 -0700 To: 72attendees@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up) X-BeenThere: 72attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the attendees of IETF 72 meeting." <72attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org At 6:09 PM +0100 7/31/08, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > While I was not carried about on a litter with rose > petals thrown in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to > control any network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was > not controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day > The only real sour note has been the discovery that so people > normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience. > I'm envious. Perhaps we're not on the same list. I haven't seen any complaints about anything even 10% as ridiculous or petty. I've seen reasonable requests for consideration of dietary needs, for example, and complaints about networks that don't work, and such. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Every solution breeds new problems. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees