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75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27
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> > > [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?

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> > > [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?

> > > [ ] Please take me off this list

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>  [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra
tickets

> 

> 

> Antoin 

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From Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com  Wed Jul 15 12:52:59 2009
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam) wrote:

> I have registered for both of the social events that require tickets, namely the Sunday evening welcome reception and the Tuesday evening Vasa museum. At the online registration, I need to indicate how many tickets I would like to have for the Vasa museum event (because there is a US$35 admission fee). But for the welcome reception, there is no place for me to indicate how many reception ticket I would like to have. I guess because it is free and the default is one ticket per registration. I hope they will allow me to have more than just one ticket when I pick up my package at the registration desk.

Did you see a separate registration for the welcome reception?  I saw only 
the registration for the social.

I believe that registration for the meeting is ipso facto registration for 
the reception, with the only remaining necessary action being to pick up 
the ticket at the registration desk when you pick up your registration 
packet.

And I hope that is right.

--Sandy

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> Good luck!
>
> Kam
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> Where did you find the information that we need tickets for the welcome reception?  My husband and nephew will be coming with me, and I would like them to also attend the welcome reception.
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> Janet
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> 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27 AM:
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>>>> Please select complaint here:
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>>>> [ ] Hotel too far from venue, I can't walk that far
>>>> [ ] Someone was smoking within 500m of the venue
>>>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
>>>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>> [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?
>>>> [ ] I see a rogue RA from MAC address de:ad:de:ad:de:ad
>>>> [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?
>>>> [ ] Please take me off this list
>>>   [ ] I have too much free time on my hands
>>  [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra tickets
>>
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>> Antoin
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From william.d.ivancic@nasa.gov  Wed Jul 15 13:05:34 2009
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If anyone has an extra ticket to the DNSSEC talk, I would love to get one. =
 I'm on the waiting list right now. =20
Just email me if you have one.  It "sold out fast" even though it is free.

Thanks,

Will

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Hi, 
  I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g. Clarion from the
airport.

Regards,

Behcet

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When you registered for the meeting, did you select "Yes" to the  
question, "Attending Sunday Welcome Reception at Stockholm City  
Hall?". If so, you are considered registered for the Welcome  
Reception. If not, but you do intend to come, please send an email to registrar@ietf.org 
  to let us know that you want to change your meeting registration  
record to indicate you are coming to the reception. You must have a  
ticket to attend, and we are only reserving tickets for those who have  
indicated that they are attending.

Alexa

On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam) wrote:
>
>> I have registered for both of the social events that require  
>> tickets, namely the Sunday evening welcome reception and the  
>> Tuesday evening Vasa museum. At the online registration, I need to  
>> indicate how many tickets I would like to have for the Vasa museum  
>> event (because there is a US$35 admission fee). But for the welcome  
>> reception, there is no place for me to indicate how many reception  
>> ticket I would like to have. I guess because it is free and the  
>> default is one ticket per registration. I hope they will allow me  
>> to have more than just one ticket when I pick up my package at the  
>> registration desk.
>
>
> Did you see a separate registration for the welcome reception?  I  
> saw only the registration for the social.
>
> I believe that registration for the meeting is ipso facto  
> registration for the reception, with the only remaining necessary  
> action being to pick up the ticket at the registration desk when you  
> pick up your registration packet.
>
> And I hope that is right.
>
> --Sandy
>
>
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Kam
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:10 PM
>> To: Janet P Gunn; Antoin Verschuren
>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org; 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>
>> http://www.ietf75.se/pages/social-events/
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Janet P Gunn
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02 PM
>> To: Antoin Verschuren
>> Cc: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org; 75attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>
>>
>>
>> Where did you find the information that we need tickets for the  
>> welcome reception?  My husband and nephew will be coming with me,  
>> and I would like them to also attend the welcome reception.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27 AM:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>
>>>>> Please select complaint here:
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] Hotel too far from venue, I can't walk that far
>>>>> [ ] Someone was smoking within 500m of the venue
>>>>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
>>>>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>> [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?
>>>>> [ ] I see a rogue RA from MAC address de:ad:de:ad:de:ad
>>>>> [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?
>>>>> [ ] Please take me off this list
>>>>  [ ] I have too much free time on my hands
>>> [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra tickets
>>>
>>>
>>> Antoin
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From: "George, Wes E [NTK]" 
To: Behcet Sarikaya , "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org>
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Really?

http://www.ietf75.se/pages/arrival/
Seems pretty complete to me...

Thanks,
Wes
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Hi,
  I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g. Clarion from th=
e
airport.

Regards,

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Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Hi, 
>   I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g. Clarion from the
> airport.

The best way is the dedicated airport train, Arlanda Express.
https://www.arlandaexpress.com/default.aspx?page=3&

It takes 20 minutes from the airport and is quite comfortable. It goes
to the Stockholm Central Station, which should be close to most of the
IETF hotels.

Stig

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I've confirmed iwth Iljitsch that he saw what I saw recently - an item on 
the agenda that said "continental breakfast".

That was a surprise, because when previous IETFs were held in locations 
where the conference hotels all provided a breakfast (e.g., Europe), 
breakfast was not provided at the meeting site.

The line now is changed to "beverages", which is more what I expected.

So if you were confused by Iljitsch's comment because you had seen the 
agenda when it said breakfast, that's why.  And if you were expecting to 
find breakfast at the meeting site, I think you'll be disappointed.

--Sandy

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On 15 jul 2009, at 16:02, Tim Chown wrote:
>
>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
>
> This is scandinavia...
>
>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
>
> N/A, there's no breakfast, you'll have to get that at your hotel.
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Sandra,

I think I can help with tea too

diplomant tehus (closed until sept, =
http://www.igougo.com/entertainment-reviews-b23327-Stockholm-Diplomat_Tea_=
House.html=20
, strandv=E4gen, )
chaikhana (http://www.chaikhana.se/  in old town)
eknografiska musemumets tehus =
(http://www.smvk.se/smvk/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=3D1661=20
  there is an english page, but not event times, registration =20
required, 275SEK)

I'm sure there are more, never went out for tea that often.

stores
- b=F6nor och blad: (http://www.bonorochblad.se/bonorochblad2.asp)
- http://www.teacentre.se/catalog/index.php (hornsgatan puckeln)
- teastores in the basement of NK (hamngatan)

There are many good stores with good tea selection, I usually got tea =20=

for the daily tea-time at work for 250SEK and it lasted 2-3 months at =20=

the local teastore at odenplan. Sorry, can't remember the name.

Love

15 jul 2009 kl. 10:43 skrev Sandra Murphy:

> Any chance there is someone just as knowledgeable about teashops?
>
> --Sandy
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Love H=F6rnquist =C5strand wrote:
>
>>
>> 15 jul 2009 kl. 08:22 skrev $witch:
>>
>>> Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:
>>>> The best pubs (not cheapest) are:
>>> nice,
>>> but what about coffeeshops ?
>>
>> For coffee I recommend:
>>
>> Cafe Nero (roslagsgatan 4, =
http://www.alltomstockholm.se/restaurangbar/article19707.aos=20
>> )
>> Sosta Espresso Bar =
(http://www.google.com/search?client=3Dsafari&rls=3Den&q=3Dsosta+stockholm=
&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8=20
>> )
>> nonsolobar (http://www.nonsolobar.com/)
>> Mellqvist kaffebar, R=F6rstrandsgatan 4
>>
>> Nero was my favorite, sosta is really good too. non solo used to be =20=

>> a favorite, but then I lived in that corner of stockholm.
>>
>> There are coffee places all over stockholm, with variation of =20
>> quality.
>>
>> Love
>>
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After all, can we take someone to the welcome reception, or not?

-------- Original Message --------

> When you registered for the meeting, did you select "Yes" to the 
> question, "Attending Sunday Welcome Reception at Stockholm City Hall?". 
> If so, you are considered registered for the Welcome Reception. If not, 
> but you do intend to come, please send an email to registrar@ietf.org to 
> let us know that you want to change your meeting registration record to 
> indicate you are coming to the reception. You must have a ticket to 
> attend, and we are only reserving tickets for those who have indicated 
> that they are attending.
> 
> Alexa
> 
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam) wrote:
>>
>>> I have registered for both of the social events that require tickets, 
>>> namely the Sunday evening welcome reception and the Tuesday evening 
>>> Vasa museum. At the online registration, I need to indicate how many 
>>> tickets I would like to have for the Vasa museum event (because there 
>>> is a US$35 admission fee). But for the welcome reception, there is no 
>>> place for me to indicate how many reception ticket I would like to 
>>> have. I guess because it is free and the default is one ticket per 
>>> registration. I hope they will allow me to have more than just one 
>>> ticket when I pick up my package at the registration desk.
>>
>>
>> Did you see a separate registration for the welcome reception?  I saw 
>> only the registration for the social.
>>
>> I believe that registration for the meeting is ipso facto registration 
>> for the reception, with the only remaining necessary action being to 
>> pick up the ticket at the registration desk when you pick up your 
>> registration packet.
>>
>> And I hope that is right.
>>
>> --Sandy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Kam
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>>> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:10 PM
>>> To: Janet P Gunn; Antoin Verschuren
>>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org; 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf75.se/pages/social-events/
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>>> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Janet P Gunn
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02 PM
>>> To: Antoin Verschuren
>>> Cc: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org; 75attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where did you find the information that we need tickets for the 
>>> welcome reception?  My husband and nephew will be coming with me, and 
>>> I would like them to also attend the welcome reception.
>>>
>>> Janet
>>>
>>> 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27 AM:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>
>>>>>> Please select complaint here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ ] Hotel too far from venue, I can't walk that far
>>>>>> [ ] Someone was smoking within 500m of the venue
>>>>>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
>>>>>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>>> [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?
>>>>>> [ ] I see a rogue RA from MAC address de:ad:de:ad:de:ad
>>>>>> [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?
>>>>>> [ ] Please take me off this list
>>>>>  [ ] I have too much free time on my hands
>>>> [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra tickets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Antoin
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The http://www.ietf75.se/ site is very well done.  The host did a  
great job!

Bob

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Maybe.

The Welcome Reception is intended for meeting attendees so tickets are  
first being offered to attendees. The host has very graciously  
indicated that guests of attendees are welcome too; however there is a  
strict limit of 800 tickets for the Welcome Reception so it's clear  
that not everyone can attend. We are therefore giving attendees until  
4pm on Sunday, July 26 to indicate that they want to attend the  
Welcome Reception. After 4pm, if there are tickets remaining, we will  
distribute them from the Registration Desk on a first come, first  
serve, basis.

Alexa

On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Kentaro Ogawa wrote:

> After all, can we take someone to the welcome reception, or not?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> When you registered for the meeting, did you select "Yes" to the  
>> question, "Attending Sunday Welcome Reception at Stockholm City  
>> Hall?". If so, you are considered registered for the Welcome  
>> Reception. If not, but you do intend to come, please send an email  
>> to registrar@ietf.org to let us know that you want to change your  
>> meeting registration record to indicate you are coming to the  
>> reception. You must have a ticket to attend, and we are only  
>> reserving tickets for those who have indicated that they are  
>> attending.
>> Alexa
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have registered for both of the social events that require  
>>>> tickets, namely the Sunday evening welcome reception and the  
>>>> Tuesday evening Vasa museum. At the online registration, I need  
>>>> to indicate how many tickets I would like to have for the Vasa  
>>>> museum event (because there is a US$35 admission fee). But for  
>>>> the welcome reception, there is no place for me to indicate how  
>>>> many reception ticket I would like to have. I guess because it is  
>>>> free and the default is one ticket per registration. I hope they  
>>>> will allow me to have more than just one ticket when I pick up my  
>>>> package at the registration desk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you see a separate registration for the welcome reception?  I  
>>> saw only the registration for the social.
>>>
>>> I believe that registration for the meeting is ipso facto  
>>> registration for the reception, with the only remaining necessary  
>>> action being to pick up the ticket at the registration desk when  
>>> you pick up your registration packet.
>>>
>>> And I hope that is right.
>>>
>>> --Sandy
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Kam
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>>>> ] On Behalf Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:10 PM
>>>> To: Janet P Gunn; Antoin Verschuren
>>>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org; 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf75.se/pages/social-events/
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Janet P Gunn
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02 PM
>>>> To: Antoin Verschuren
>>>> Cc: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org; 75attendees@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where did you find the information that we need tickets for the  
>>>> welcome reception?  My husband and nephew will be coming with me,  
>>>> and I would like them to also attend the welcome reception.
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>> 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please select complaint here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ ] Hotel too far from venue, I can't walk that far
>>>>>>> [ ] Someone was smoking within 500m of the venue
>>>>>>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
>>>>>>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>>>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
>>>>>>> [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?
>>>>>>> [ ] I see a rogue RA from MAC address de:ad:de:ad:de:ad
>>>>>>> [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?
>>>>>>> [ ] Please take me off this list
>>>>>> [ ] I have too much free time on my hands
>>>>> [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra  
>>>>> tickets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antoin
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>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> 75attendees@ietf.org
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Love H�rnquist �strand skrev:
> 
> Nero was my favorite, sosta is really good too. non solo used to be a 
> favorite, but then I lived in that corner of stockholm.
> 
> There are coffee places all over stockholm, with variation of quality.
> 

For the other hot beverage (tea) I would suggest Chaikhana 
(http://www.chaikhana.se/)
http://maps.google.se/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=Chaikhana+Stockholm&sll=59.338349,18.059227&sspn=0.005099,0.009999&ie=UTF8&cd=1&z=15
BUT it's a bit expensive, a pot of their weekly recommended tea costs 
8�, $11 or 90SEK.
I think it's worth a visit if you go by Stockholm old town.

/John

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On 7/15/09 2:03 PM, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:
> If anyone has an extra ticket to the DNSSEC talk, I would love to get
> one.  I'm on the waiting list right now. Just email me if you have
> one.  It "sold out fast" even though it is free.

Perhaps there will be scalpers outside the venue. :)

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book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.

On 15 Jul 2009, at 22:11, Stig Venaas wrote:

> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>> Hi,   I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g.  
>> Clarion from the
>> airport.
>
> The best way is the dedicated airport train, Arlanda Express.
> https://www.arlandaexpress.com/default.aspx?page=3&
>
> It takes 20 minutes from the airport and is quite comfortable. It goes
> to the Stockholm Central Station, which should be close to most of the
> IETF hotels.
>
> Stig
>
>> Regards,
>> Behcet
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Thank you, Alexa. That is the most important answer! :-)

Kam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of Alexa Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:53 PM
> To: Kentaro Ogawa
> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
>=20
> Maybe.
>=20
> The Welcome Reception is intended for meeting attendees so tickets are
> first being offered to attendees. The host has very graciously
> indicated that guests of attendees are welcome too; however there is a
> strict limit of 800 tickets for the Welcome Reception so it's clear
> that not everyone can attend. We are therefore giving attendees until
> 4pm on Sunday, July 26 to indicate that they want to attend the
> Welcome Reception. After 4pm, if there are tickets remaining, we will
> distribute them from the Registration Desk on a first come, first
> serve, basis.
>=20
> Alexa
>=20
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Kentaro Ogawa wrote:
>=20
> > After all, can we take someone to the welcome reception, or not?
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> >
> >> When you registered for the meeting, did you select "Yes" to the
> >> question, "Attending Sunday Welcome Reception at Stockholm City
> >> Hall?". If so, you are considered registered for the Welcome
> >> Reception. If not, but you do intend to come, please send an email
> >> to registrar@ietf.org to let us know that you want to change your
> >> meeting registration record to indicate you are coming to the
> >> reception. You must have a ticket to attend, and we are only
> >> reserving tickets for those who have indicated that they are
> >> attending.
> >> Alexa
> >> On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have registered for both of the social events that require
> >>>> tickets, namely the Sunday evening welcome reception and the
> >>>> Tuesday evening Vasa museum. At the online registration, I need
> >>>> to indicate how many tickets I would like to have for the Vasa
> >>>> museum event (because there is a US$35 admission fee). But for
> >>>> the welcome reception, there is no place for me to indicate how
> >>>> many reception ticket I would like to have. I guess because it is
> >>>> free and the default is one ticket per registration. I hope they
> >>>> will allow me to have more than just one ticket when I pick up my
> >>>> package at the registration desk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Did you see a separate registration for the welcome reception?  I
> >>> saw only the registration for the social.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that registration for the meeting is ipso facto
> >>> registration for the reception, with the only remaining necessary
> >>> action being to pick up the ticket at the registration desk when
> >>> you pick up your registration packet.
> >>>
> >>> And I hope that is right.
> >>>
> >>> --Sandy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>> Kam
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-
> bounces@ietf.org
> >>>> ] On Behalf Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:10 PM
> >>>> To: Janet P Gunn; Antoin Verschuren
> >>>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org; 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ietf75.se/pages/social-events/
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Keith
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-
> bounces@ietf.org
> >>>> ] On Behalf Of Janet P Gunn
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02 PM
> >>>> To: Antoin Verschuren
> >>>> Cc: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org; 75attendees@ietf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Tickets for welcome reception
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Where did you find the information that we need tickets for the
> >>>> welcome reception?  My husband and nephew will be coming with me,
> >>>> and I would like them to also attend the welcome reception.
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet
> >>>>
> >>>> 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/15/2009 10:32:27 AM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>>>> Hash: SHA256
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please select complaint here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [ ] Hotel too far from venue, I can't walk that far
> >>>>>>> [ ] Someone was smoking within 500m of the venue
> >>>>>>> [ ] The hotel bar prices are too high.
> >>>>>>> [ ] Not enough fresh fruit at breakfast
> >>>>>>> [ ] Too much fresh fruit at breakfast
> >>>>>>> [ ] I'm at the venue 5 days early, where's the free wireless?
> >>>>>>> [ ] I see a rogue RA from MAC address de:ad:de:ad:de:ad
> >>>>>>> [ ] What is IPv6 anyway?
> >>>>>>> [ ] Please take me off this list
> >>>>>> [ ] I have too much free time on my hands
> >>>>> [X] Why do we need welcome reception tickets / I need extra
> >>>>> tickets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Antoin
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> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> 75attendees mailing list
> >>> 75attendees@ietf.org
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees
> >>>
> >> -----------
> >> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF
> >> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
> >> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
> >> Email: amorris@amsl.com
> >> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS)
> >> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 75attendees@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees
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>=20
> -----------
> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF
> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA  94538
> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001
> Email: amorris@amsl.com
>=20
> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS)
> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning
> www.amsl.com 
>=20
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Jo�o Damas allegedly wrote on 07/15/2009 5:21 PM:
> book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.

On some SE trains you need to reserve for a specific time, and if you
miss that train your money is gone.  Is that true for the Arlanda
Express as well?

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On 7/15/09 4:25 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
> João Damas allegedly wrote on 07/15/2009 5:21 PM:
>> book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.
> 
> On some SE trains you need to reserve for a specific time, and if you
> miss that train your money is gone.  Is that true for the Arlanda
> Express as well?

It seems not. I just reserved for the 26th and 31st, and it wanted to
know only the dates, not the times.

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Jo�o Damas wrote:
> book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.
>
> On 15 Jul 2009, at 22:11, Stig Venaas wrote:
>
>> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>>> Hi,   I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g.
>>> Clarion from the
>>> airport.
>>
>> The best way is the dedicated airport train, Arlanda Express.
>> https://www.arlandaexpress.com/default.aspx?page=3&
>>
>> It takes 20 minutes from the airport and is quite comfortable. It goes
>> to the Stockholm Central Station, which should be close to most of the
>> IETF hotels.
>>
>> Stig

Yes , it is fast and efficient but is also extremely expensive -
probably one of the most expensive rail journeys in the world km for km.
240SEK or best part of 25 euro each way for a 20min ride.. except if you
find a travelling companion there is effectively a half price deal
during the summer.

If your budget is constrained and you can't find a companion (the web
site says they are organizing a mating service on the concourse at
Arlanda), the airport bus is almost as convenient and maybe more so
depending on where your hotel is as there may be a stop near your hotel
(perhaps only a small chance!). 
http://www.flygbussarna.se/
Arlanda -> Stockholm city
110SEK each way or 199 SEK return.
Roughly every 15 minutes, travel time 50-55 mins.
Arrives at the central station two floors up from the train (and hence
closer to the taxis I think).
Note that the last bus out to Arlanda is quite early (10pm).

The conference centre is 6 or 7 blocks or about 800 metres from the bus
station (and a bit more from the train).  There is a slightly closer
metro (T-banan = Tunel-banan) station but by the time you have trekked
through the central station at one end - it really is at the opposite
end of the site from the bus station and nearly as far from the Arlanda
express (especially the back of the train!), bought a single ticket and
walked back from Hotorget at the other end you might as well find a bus,
walk or succumb to the lure of a taxi.

BTW Swedish taxis are very expensive (to my wallet at least), but
(almost?) all take credit cards.

An intermediate option between the train and an individual taxi is the
Flygtaxi .. bit like a shared van in the US but a bit more civilized.
http://www.flygtaxi.se/locations/show/?id=L5003

Looks to be about 600 SEK for the journey to the conference centre from
the airport (although one company was offering a cheaper deal)..
The web site is not fully translated, but rides can be prebooked or
there is a counter in all the terminals at Arlanda (overseas flights
msotly arrive at Terminal 5).

Regards,
Elwyn
(who is all too familiar with Arlanda)
>>
>>> Regards,
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The Wasa Museum is good, we will of course be there for the social, 
but there is more stuff going on during the day there I think, plus it 
won't be full of geeks.

All kinds of boat cruises can be had and you can watch the changing of 
the guard at the Royal Palace. 

Ole

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http://www.skansen.se/

It's a living historical museum (ala Colonial Williamsburg).  They claim 
it's in the middle of Stockholm.

spt

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Can I buy SIM card like this (http://www.maxroam.com/) in the city?

I could not buy it by online... :-<

On 2009/07/16, at 2:52, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

> I've a similar question, but with slightly different temporal  
> conditions:
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> I need one cell phone and carrier combination, for use when in  
> Europe, on the order of one week in eight, for the foreseeable future.
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> and
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> I need one cell phone and carrier combination, for use when in East  
> Asia, on the order of one week in eight, for the foreseeable future.
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> I'll summarize to the list if there's interest (and Doug I'm  
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>> I need two cell phones for the week of the IETF with local voice/txt
>> service (I will use the net to talk to home).
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>> While my phone is capable, my service provider charges an arm and a  
>> leg
>> for service in Sweeden.
>>
>> Recommendations for local solutions - i.e. a near disposable pre-paid
>> phone would fit the bill - are welcome.
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>> Requirements: 1 week of utility to me - only local voice & text.
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+1; Skansen is wonderful for kids. It's a walk from the center of =20
town, but doable. It's on Djurg=E5rden (basically an entire island =20
that's mostly parkland).

Cheers,

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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Doug Montgomery wrote:

> Recommendations for local solutions - i.e. a near disposable pre-paid
> phone would fit the bill - are welcome.

SEK299 for a phone and pre-paid SIM card, you can buy text/minutes in
50/100/250 SEK increments.

3G/HSPA USB dongle and prepaid mobile broadband for 299 SEK, pay 89 SEK
for a week usage or 249SEK for a month. 1 day included in the 299 SEK.

Closest store:

Stockholm/Vasagatan 36 (2 blocks from central station, 4 blocks from IETF
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> Any suggestions for things a 10 yo boy would enjoy?

I would suggest he attend the plenaries. Everyone behaves like ten- 
year-olds there.

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Hi,

> 3G/HSPA USB dongle and prepaid mobile broadband for 299 SEK, pay 89 SEK
> for a week usage or 249SEK for a month. 1 day included in the 299 SEK.

That's 299 SEK (or ~ 30 EUR) for the actual hardware *and* a day of service?

Quite a deal for getting a 3G HSPA dongle, if it's yours to keep. Is it
SIM-locked in any way?

Greetings,

Stefan Winter

>
> Closest store:
>
> 
>
>
> Stockholm/Vasagatan 36 (2 blocks from central station, 4 blocks from IETF
> venue).
>

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Fondation RESTENA - R�seau T�l�informatique de l'Education Nationale et de la Recherche
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Stefan Winter wrote:

> That's 299 SEK (or ~ 30 EUR) for the actual hardware *and* a day of 
> service?

Yes.

> Quite a deal for getting a 3G HSPA dongle, if it's yours to keep.

Yes.

> Is it SIM-locked in any way?

I don't know.

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That would be the state monopoly "Systembolaget" generally open
between 10am and 7pm:

http://www.systembolaget.se/Applikationer/Knappar/InEnglish/

http://www.systembolaget.se/ButikerOppettider/ResultatlistaButiker.htm?CurrentPage=3&Lan=Stockholms+l%e4n&LanNr=1

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Staffan Jonson wrote:

> Alcohol shop is within crawling distance from venue (swedish prices, though).
> 
> :-)
> 
> Staffan Jonson
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If you're taking the Arlanda Express, there are ticket machines that
take cash and credit cards both next to the elevator that takes you
down to the platform, and on the train platform itself. I've never
needed to pre-reserve a ticket. Going back from the city to the
airport, the ticket machines are on the platform.

Cheers,
Andy

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> Jo=E3o Damas allegedly wrote on 07/15/2009 5:21 PM:
>> book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.
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There's also Junibacken which probably is good if familiar with
some of Astrid Lindgren's characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junibacken
http://www.junibacken.se/default.asp?id=1234

Stig

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On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> If you're taking the Arlanda Express, there are ticket machines that
> take cash and credit cards both next to the elevator that takes you
> down to the platform, and on the train platform itself. I've never
> needed to pre-reserve a ticket. Going back from the city to the
> airport, the ticket machines are on the platform.

Do you know if the two-person discount is available at these machines?

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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Ted Lemon wrote:

> Do you know if the two-person discount is available at these machines?

It seems so.

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On 15 jul 2009, at 22.06, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:

>  I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g. Clarion  
> from the
> airport.

Go to the IETF 75 webpage:

http://www.ietf75.se/

Click on "Arrival" in the top of the page.

    Patrik

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On 16 jul 2009, at 00.36, Elwyn Davies wrote:

> Yes , it is fast and efficient but is also extremely expensive -
> probably one of the most expensive rail journeys in the world km for  
> km.
> 240SEK or best part of 25 euro each way for a 20min ride.. except if  
> you
> find a travelling companion there is effectively a half price deal
> during the summer.

Yup, they actually have "meeting points" where you can stand and wait  
for someone to share a trip with :-)

http://www.lotten.se/uploaded_images/raggarruta-792177.jpg
[Image taken by "Lotten" -- http://www.lotten.se/]

The word "raggarruta" is a composition of the two words "ragga" and  
"ruta", where "ruta" is "square". "Ragga" is harder to explain...let  
me put it this way, it is slang for what happens at a bar around 2AM a  
few minutes before it closes... Basically "picking someone up".

;-)

    Patrik

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If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and restaurants), 
do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring cash, what currency 
(euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do you recommend that I 
obtain it?  Thank you.

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On 16 jul 2009, at 19.11, Karen Seo wrote:

> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and  
> restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring  
> cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do  
> you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.

Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.

You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of the  
major chains.

You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other  
direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not used  
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2009/7/16 Karen Seo :
> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and restaurants), do =
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> also need to bring cash? =A0If I need to bring cash, what currency (euros=
?
> kronor?) should I bring and where/how do you recommend that I obtain it?
> =A0Thank you.
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You won't need much cash in Sweden, most places take cards, even
taxis. You might need some cash for cafeterias/fast food and small
purchases. I never have more than 300 sek (35 usd/25 eur) in my
wallet.

cheers

/fredrik

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GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) пишет:

  Folks,

At the end of a stay, if I have excess foreign money (paper and coins) I often have the hotel apply it to my bill and then charge the remainder to my credit card.

I do the same all the time. There were no exceptions throughout the
world, all hotels agreed to do that. 

;)

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On 16 jul 2009, at 19.11, Karen Seo wrote:

    If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and  
restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring  
cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do  
you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.

Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.

You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of the  
major chains.

You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other  
direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not used  
without any penalty. Forex exists "all over the place" and you must  
pass at least three when arriving with airplane and take the train/bus  
to Stockholm.

    Patrik

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Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the =E2=80=98cheap=E2=80=99 liq=
uor
to take home.  ;^)

-Marc-

On 7/16/09 3:27 PM, "Basil Dolmatov"  wrote:

> GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
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>> Folks,
>>=20
>> At the end of a stay, if I have excess foreign money (paper and coins) I
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>>  =20
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> I do the same all the time. There were no exceptions throughout the world=
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> hotels agreed to do that.
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> dol@
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>> Behalf Of Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:13 AM
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>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org
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>>> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and
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>>> you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.
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>> Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.
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>> You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of the
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>> You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other
>> direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not used
>> without any penalty. Forex exists "all over the place" and you must
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Re: [75attendees] currency?

Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the ‘cheap&#=
8217; liquor to take home.  ;^)

-Marc-

On 7/16/09 3:27 PM, "Basil Dolmatov" <dol@cryptocom.ru> wrote:

<=
SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: 

<=
SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'> 

Folks,

At the end of a stay, if I have excess foreign money (paper and coins) I of=
ten have the hotel apply it to my bill and then charge the remainder to my c=
redit card.

=

I do the same all the time. There were no exceptions throughout the world, =
all hotels agreed to do that. 

;)

dol@

<=
SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'> 

Stuart Goldman

Alcatel-Lucent 

Member of the Alcatel-Lucent Technical Academy

sgoldman@alcatel-lucent.com

+1 602 493 8438

+1 480 414 1260 mobile

=EF=81=90 please save a tree by not printing this e-mail.

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From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces=
@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström

Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:13 AM

To: Karen Seo

Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [75attendees] currency?

On 16 jul 2009, at 19.11, Karen Seo wrote:

<=
SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'> 

If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and  

restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring  =

cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do  =

you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.

=

Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.

You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of the  =
;

major chains.

You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other  

direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not used &nbs=
p;

without any penalty. Forex exists "all over the place" and you mu=
st  

pass at least three when arriving with airplane and take the train/bus &nbs=
p;

to Stockholm.

    Patrik

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Marc - I'm assuming you're speculating; you don't have personal =20
experience with cheap liquor, right?

That would be the cheap liquor that gets confiscated at the security =20
checkpoint when you change planes?

- Ralph

On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:40 PM 7/16/09, Marc Linsner wrote:

> Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the =20
> =E2=80=98cheap=E2=80=99 liquor to take home.  ;^)
>
> -Marc-
>
>
> On 7/16/09 3:27 PM, "Basil Dolmatov"  wrote:
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>> GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
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>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> At the end of a stay, if I have excess foreign money (paper and =20
>>> coins) I often have the hotel apply it to my bill and then charge =20=

>>> the remainder to my credit card.
>>>
>>
>> I do the same all the time. There were no exceptions throughout the =20=

>> world, all hotels agreed to do that.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> dol@
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart Goldman
>>> Alcatel-Lucent
>>> Member of the Alcatel-Lucent Technical Academy
>>> sgoldman@alcatel-lucent.com
>>> +1 602 493 8438
>>> +1 480 414 1260 mobile
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org =
[mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org=20
>>> ] On Behalf Of Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:13 AM
>>> To: Karen Seo
>>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] currency?
>>>
>>> On 16 jul 2009, at 19.11, Karen Seo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and
>>>> restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring
>>>> cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how =20=

>>>> do
>>>> you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.
>>>
>>> You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of =20=

>>> the
>>> major chains.
>>>
>>> You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other
>>> direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not =20=

>>> used
>>> without any penalty. Forex exists "all over the place" and you must
>>> pass at least three when arriving with airplane and take the train/=20=

>>> bus
>>> to Stockholm.
>>>
>>>     Patrik
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Marc Linsner wrote:

> Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the =91cheap=92 =
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> liquor to take home.  ;^)

Note that the alcohol monopoly is still in place in Sweden (even =20
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Subject: [75attendees] Open (jazz) jam session?
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Hi,

Does anyone know if there's an open (typically jazz,
I guess) jam session happening in Stockholm somewhere
during the IETF week?

This should be a session that non-professionals could
actively participate in. Having moved to Oslo recently,
and witnessed what happens here in the Herr Nilsen jazz
club every Sunday evening, I have become a bit scared
of Scandinavian jazz musicians...

If we find something, would someone like to join me?
I know that there are a lot of musicians among you folks  :-)
(I'm a drummer btw)

Cheers,
Michael

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http://www.stampen.se/index.htm

2009/7/16  :
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if there's an open (typically jazz,
> I guess) jam session happening in Stockholm somewhere
> during the IETF week?
>
> This should be a session that non-professionals could
> actively participate in. Having moved to Oslo recently,
> and witnessed what happens here in the Herr Nilsen jazz
> club every Sunday evening, I have become a bit scared
> of Scandinavian jazz musicians...
>
> If we find something, would someone like to join me?
> I know that there are a lot of musicians among you folks =A0:-)
> (I'm a drummer btw)
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> Cheers,
> Michael
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Hendrik Scholz wrote:

>
> On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Marc Linsner wrote:
>
>> Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the =91cheap=92=

>> liquor to take home.  ;^)
>
> Note that the alcohol monopoly is still in place in Sweden (even
> though they are considered
> part of the vodka belt).

I think that that is viewed as a feature, not a bug.

>
> As a result you cannot buy duty-free alcohol at ARN if you are flying
> inside/connecting within
> the European Union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget has
> some entertaining
> information about the laws.

Do they still have the crowds of Swedes going Malmo <-> Copenhagen to =20=

get drunk on the cheap ?

Regards
Marshall

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>>
>> As a result you cannot buy duty-free alcohol at ARN if you are flying
>> inside/connecting within
>> the European Union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget has
>> some entertaining
>> information about the laws.
>
> Do they still have the crowds of Swedes going Malmo <-> Copenhagen to get
> drunk on the cheap ?

Nowadays we rent/loan a pickup and go to Germay and fill it up with beer.

Cheers!

Fredrik

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At 15:50 16/07/2009, Ralph Droms wrote:
>Marc - I'm assuming you're speculating; you don't have 
>personal  experience with cheap liquor, right? That would be the 
>cheap liquor that gets confiscated at the security  checkpoint when 
>you change planes? - Ralph

No Ralph that is cheap liquor that you drink on the plane home to get ready
to face the immigrations/Customs service at home.

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Ralph,

Your right....I saw it TV....

:^)

-Marc-

On 7/16/09 3:50 PM, "Ralph Droms"  wrote:

> Marc - I'm assuming you're speculating; you don't have personal
> experience with cheap liquor, right?
>=20
> That would be the cheap liquor that gets confiscated at the security
> checkpoint when you change planes?
>=20
> - Ralph
>=20
> On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:40 PM 7/16/09, Marc Linsner wrote:
>=20
>> Also works at the Duty Free at the Airport when you buy the
>> =E2=80=98cheap=E2=80=99 liquor to take home.  ;^)
>>=20
>> -Marc-
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 7/16/09 3:27 PM, "Basil Dolmatov"  wrote:
>>=20
>>> GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
>>>>=20
>>>> Folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> At the end of a stay, if I have excess foreign money (paper and
>>>> coins) I often have the hotel apply it to my bill and then charge
>>>> the remainder to my credit card.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I do the same all the time. There were no exceptions throughout the
>>> world, all hotels agreed to do that.
>>>=20
>>> ;)
>>>=20
>>> dol@
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Stuart Goldman
>>>> Alcatel-Lucent
>>>> Member of the Alcatel-Lucent Technical Academy
>>>> sgoldman@alcatel-lucent.com
>>>> +1 602 493 8438
>>>> +1 480 414 1260 mobile
>>>> =EF=81=90 please save a tree by not printing this e-mail.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.or=
g
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:13 AM
>>>> To: Karen Seo
>>>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] currency?
>>>>=20
>>>> On 16 jul 2009, at 19.11, Karen Seo wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and
>>>>> restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring
>>>>> cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how
>>>>> do
>>>>> you recommend that I obtain it?  Thank you.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Swedish Kronor is the currency of Sweden.
>>>>=20
>>>> You can use your credit card at ATMs if it is connected to one of
>>>> the
>>>> major chains.
>>>>=20
>>>> You can also exchange money at Forex that (at least in the other
>>>> direction) have no fee, and you can change back what you have not
>>>> used
>>>> without any penalty. Forex exists "all over the place" and you must
>>>> pass at least three when arriving with airplane and take the train/
>>>> bus
>>>> to Stockholm.
>>>>=20
>>>>     Patrik
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not obvious at first, but the "Program" schedule indicates Jazz Jam on 
Wed 29 July, no indication of time or arrangements.

I recently took up string bass - although I'm not very jazz literate, I 
know a few tunes.  There would have to be an instrument available at the 
club.  Mine does not fit in the overhead compartment of an airplane.  I 
guess I could give it my seat, as I might fit in the overhead compartment...

Looks like a place to check out on a free night...

Ed J.

On 7/16/2009 4:18 PM, Fredrik Wellner wrote:
> http://www.stampen.se/index.htm
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> 2009/7/16  :
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone know if there's an open (typically jazz,
>> I guess) jam session happening in Stockholm somewhere
>> during the IETF week?
>>
>> This should be a session that non-professionals could
>> actively participate in. Having moved to Oslo recently,
>> and witnessed what happens here in the Herr Nilsen jazz
>> club every Sunday evening, I have become a bit scared
>> of Scandinavian jazz musicians...
>>
>> If we find something, would someone like to join me?
>> I know that there are a lot of musicians among you folks  :-)
>> (I'm a drummer btw)
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>> Michael
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Fredrik,

>> Nowadays we rent/loan a pickup and go to Germay and fill it up with  
>> beer.
>

It must be hard to drive it across the Baltic :-)

Bob

p.s. Yes, I know there is a bridge to Denmark and then a ferry  
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So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
in Germany itself :-)

Bob

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Thomson,
Martin wrote:
> Actually, the process as I've seen it very much relies on that ferry. =A0=
You see, it passes through international waters briefly, so presumably the =
high VATs from the region don't apply.
>
> I get the impression that the duty free shop on the ferry sells a lot of =
beer. =A0The sign on the wall has prices for up to 40 cases of beer, above =
several very large (and rapidly emptying) pallets stacked with beer.
>
> Carry-on limitations don't apply on a ferry - you just load up the truck =
with as much beer as you can afford/carry.
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> --Martin
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>> >> Nowadays we rent/loan a pickup and go to Germay and fill it up with
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>> >
>>
>>
>> It must be hard to drive it across the Baltic :-)
>>
>> Bob
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>> p.s. Yes, I know there is a bridge to Denmark and then a ferry
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Welcome to Scandinavia.

Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving, 
sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany, 
Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)

[This is sadly almost true].

Ole

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:

> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
> in Germany itself :-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 

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so, um, if we all bring two bottles of hooch, and if there was a "buyer" 
(or collector), we could meet the ietf's non-beer, non-coffee, non-tea, 
non-... fluid intake requirements, neh?

Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>
> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving, 
> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany, 
> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>
> [This is sadly almost true].
>
> Ole
>
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>   
>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>> in Germany itself :-)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>     
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

> so, um, if we all bring two bottles of hooch, and if there was a  
> "buyer"
> (or collector), we could meet the ietf's non-beer, non-coffee, non- 
> tea,
> non-... fluid intake requirements, neh?
>

Do you see arbitrage opportunities here ?

Regards

> Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>>
>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>>
>> [This is sadly almost true].
>>
>> Ole
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 75attendees mailing list
>> 75attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees
>>
>>
>>
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how many arbitrage opportunities do you see me holding up?

Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
> On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>
>> so, um, if we all bring two bottles of hooch, and if there was a "buyer"
>> (or collector), we could meet the ietf's non-beer, non-coffee, non-tea,
>> non-... fluid intake requirements, neh?
>>
>
> Do you see arbitrage opportunities here ?
>
> Regards
>
>> Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>>>
>>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>>>
>>> [This is sadly almost true].
>>>
>>> Ole
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 75attendees mailing list
>>> 75attendees@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

> how many arbitrage opportunities do you see me holding up?
>

Before or after I consume the two bottles ?

Regards
Marshall

>
> Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>>
>>> so, um, if we all bring two bottles of hooch, and if there was a  
>>> "buyer"
>>> (or collector), we could meet the ietf's non-beer, non-coffee, non- 
>>> tea,
>>> non-... fluid intake requirements, neh?
>>>
>>
>> Do you see arbitrage opportunities here ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>> Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>>>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>>>>
>>>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>>>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>>>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>>>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>>>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>>>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>>>>
>>>> [This is sadly almost true].
>>>>
>>>> Ole
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not  
>>>>> being
>>>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Ole,

I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
the world...

Cheers,

Jonne. 

On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:

> 
> Welcome to Scandinavia.
> 
> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
> 
> [This is sadly almost true].
> 
> Ole
> 
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
> 
>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>> in Germany itself :-)
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
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-- 
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Hei,

Speaking of unusual behavior related to drinking - I
wonder, is it all across Scandinavia that there is
a pseudo-law about drinking in public? I read that
there is this law in Norway before I got here, and
was disappointed about this rule. After one day of
walking around in Oslo, I figured that this law
doesn't really exist, I must have read some nonsense...

Meanwhile I learned that it's really a pseudo law:
it's officially forbidden, but it's all right anyway,
and the only point of the law is probably to make
people "behave" (probably including cleaning up
their stuff as they leave, because everyone seems
to do this surprisingly well here).

Here's a newspaper article about this from yesterday:
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/restaurant_uteliv/article233583.ece
or maybe:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%
2Foslopuls.aftenposten.no%2Frestaurant_uteliv%
2Farticle233583.ece&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

Cheers,
Michael

On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 09:26 +0300, Soininen, Jonne (NSN - FI/Espoo)
wrote:
> Ole,
> 
> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonne. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Welcome to Scandinavia.
> > 
> > Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
> > sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
> > Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
> > for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
> > interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
> > to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
> > 
> > [This is sadly almost true].
> > 
> > Ole
> > 
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
> > 
> >> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
> >> in Germany itself :-)
> >> 
> >> Bob
> >> 
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 75attendees mailing list
> > 75attendees@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees
> 

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Hi,

> Speaking of unusual behavior related to drinking - I
> wonder, is it all across Scandinavia that there is
> a pseudo-law about drinking in public? I read that
> there is this law in Norway before I got here, and
> was disappointed about this rule. After one day of
> walking around in Oslo, I figured that this law
> doesn't really exist, I must have read some nonsense...
>   

Speaking of it... a pub in �rebro, Sweden had a sign saying "If you want
us to bring the beer outside across the sidewalk, you have to explicitly
instruct us to cross the sidewalk. It's the law."

Do such laws really exist, and are they really practiced?

Stefan Winter

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Michael Welzl wrote:

> Speaking of unusual behavior related to drinking - I wonder, is it all 
> across Scandinavia that there is a pseudo-law about drinking in public? 
> I read that there is this law in Norway before I got here, and was 
> disappointed about this rule. After one day of walking around in Oslo, I 
> figured that this law doesn't really exist, I must have read some 
> nonsense...

In Sweden drinking in public (street/park) is regulated in "local 
regulation" (don't know the proper english law term). It's the 
municipality that says where and when you can drink, it's not generally 
enforced either. Generally it's allowed, but there are a few parks in the 
city where it's not.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Stefan Winter wrote:

> Speaking of it... a pub in �rebro, Sweden had a sign saying "If you want
> us to bring the beer outside across the sidewalk, you have to explicitly
> instruct us to cross the sidewalk. It's the law."
>
> Do such laws really exist, and are they really practiced?

Bars are not allowed to sell alcohol without opening the bottle before 
they deliver it to you. You're not really allowed to bring the 
bottle/glass outside of the establishment either, if they are to serve 
alcohol outside the establishment (like an outside serving area) they need 
a permit for that as well.

So since there is a indoor public area smoking ban in Sweden you can't 
bring your drink with you when you go outside of the bar to smoke. 
(generally, if/when you're smoking outside, go someplace where smoke 
doesn't get to people who are non-smokers, it's considered quite impolite)

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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On 15 jul 2009, at 19.27, Doug Montgomery wrote:

> Here is a legit question.
>
> I need two cell phones for the week of the IETF with local voice/txt
> service (I will use the net to talk to home).
>
> While my phone is capable, my service provider charges an arm and a  
> leg
> for service in Sweeden.
>
> Recommendations for local solutions - i.e. a near disposable pre-paid
> phone would fit the bill - are welcome.
>
> Requirements: 1 week of utility to me - only local voice & text.
>
> You can reply off list and I will summarize if there is interest.

The easiest thing is that you go to a store for some cellphone company  
in Sweden (Tele2, Telia, Telenor or 3). All of them sell prepaid SIM  
cards, and insert the SIM in your GSM phone.

Closest store for for example "3" is The Phone House on Vasagatan:

Although it is only open weekdays Weekdays: 9-18, Saturday: 11-15.

You can also take a little bit longer stroll to a "3" store that is  
open Weekdays: 10-19, Saturday: 10-17, Sunday: 12-16:

    Patrik

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On 16 jul 2009, at 09.24, Stefan Winter wrote:

>> 3G/HSPA USB dongle and prepaid mobile broadband for 299 SEK, pay 89  
>> SEK
>> for a week usage or 249SEK for a month. 1 day included in the 299  
>> SEK.
>
> That's 299 SEK (or ~ 30 EUR) for the actual hardware *and* a day of  
> service?
>
> Quite a deal for getting a 3G HSPA dongle, if it's yours to keep. Is  
> it
> SIM-locked in any way?

Btw, the 3G data service *really* works in Sweden. I have more or less  
stopped using WiFi access points after I got the dongle. Better (for  
example) with 3G data than the Internet Access on the trains in Sweden.

You should try it if you have the ability.

    Patrik

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On 17 jul 2009, at 10.46, Olle E. Johansson wrote:

> Be a bit careful though. A student in one of my classes bought a SIM  
> card that required a Swedish ID number to be activated... Ask if you  
> can activate the card without any registration procedure or any  
> requirements to have a Swedish social security number...

As far as I understand, it should be possible to buy a SIM card over  
the counter (as compared to over the web) without swedish social  
security number from all providers. At least "3" that I verified this  
with.

But, of course this is a good recommendation. They probably have  
services "with" social security number as well. Reason for this is  
that you might later (a normal customer) add services later on that is  
to be invoiced.

Thanks Olle for the detail I missed in the first round of explanations.

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From elwynd@folly.org.uk  Fri Jul 17 02:49:33 2009
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
>>
>> Yes , it is fast and efficient but is also extremely expensive -
>> probably one of the most expensive rail journeys in the world km for km.
>> 240SEK or best part of 25 euro each way for a 20min ride..
>
> You mean as opposed to heatrow express? :-)
>
They certainly vie for the laurels!
The Heathrow Express may well be the most expensive mile for mile ... 
but it has to compete with the Gatwick Express :-)
What was that about 'captive markets'?

Personally I always use the Underground to/from Heathrow... about a 
fifth of the cost and hardly slower if you need to be anywhere else than 
Paddington.  (The only time I ever took the 'Express' it turned out to 
be far from it.. over an hour due to some other train breaking!)

/Elwyn

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On 16 jul 2009, at 19:11, Karen Seo wrote:

> If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and  
> restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring  
> cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do  
> you recommend that I obtain it?

Haven't been to Sweden before, so maybe things are unusual there.

In general, in Europe credit cards aren't as universally accepted as  
in the US. For instance, last month I was in Germany and they didn't  
accept foreign credit cards at a place I ate. So it's useful to carry  
enough cash to pay for a taxi or a meal, but you could easily end up  
not needing it.

I usually don't bother exchaning what's left but save it for other  
trips, and I take (for instance) my left over UK money to Canada as  
some backup cash in case my cards stop working.

For us Europeans it's generally a good deal to get money from foreign  
ATMs with our ATM cards because within the EU the charges for that are  
regulated and thus low (often free) and the exchange rate is good. But  
it seems some US banks now have much worse charges and exchange rates  
for that, rivaling credit card cash advances. You may want to check  
with your bank.

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On Friday 17 July 2009 13.11.33 Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> On 16 jul 2009, at 19:11, Karen Seo wrote:
> > If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and
> > restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring
> > cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do
> > you recommend that I obtain it?
>
> Haven't been to Sweden before, so maybe things are unusual there.
>
> In general, in Europe credit cards aren't as universally accepted as
> in the US.

Hi,

I think you'll find exactly the opposite in Sweden.  I hardly ever carry any 
cash in Sweden (and I live there...) because I can use my card everywhere.  
That said, it doesn't hurt to have some cash (if you want to buy a hot dog 
from a street vendor or something...), but I don't think you'll need very 
much.

Cheers,

David

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Hi,

A word of cautious then, those people who are having the green credit =
Card
(American Express) may experience some few places that American Express
credit card is not accepted (no no it is not discrimination, it is about =
how
much they charged and other business conditions). So why not having =
other
Credit Card like MasterCard, Visa JUST in CASE

Regards
Mohammad Mahloujian
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On Friday 17 July 2009 13.11.33 Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> On 16 jul 2009, at 19:11, Karen Seo wrote:
> > If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and
> > restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring
> > cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and where/how do
> > you recommend that I obtain it?
>
> Haven't been to Sweden before, so maybe things are unusual there.
>
> In general, in Europe credit cards aren't as universally accepted as
> in the US.

Hi,

I think you'll find exactly the opposite in Sweden.  I hardly ever carry =
any

cash in Sweden (and I live there...) because I can use my card =
everywhere. =20
That said, it doesn't hurt to have some cash (if you want to buy a hot =
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On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Soininen, Jonne (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:

> Ole,
>
> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty  
> unique in
> the world...
>

Not really. When I was at MIT we used to go to New Hampshire (~100 km  
North) to
purchase alcohol for parties, as the New Hampshire taxes were and are  
significantly less.
There are large stores conveniently located just North of the border.
Those drives are part of MY cultural heritage.

People also used to do this in Maine, driving South to New Hampshire,  
until Maine
established a "special economic zone" right at the border, allowing  
alcohol prices in the Maine
stores just North of the border to magically match those in New  
Hampshire just South of the border,
thus keeping at least some of the revenue in the state.

While American State borders seem pretty inconsequential, in many  
states it is against the law to cross state lines to avoid alcohol  
taxes. I was told by my Maine relatives that a driving factor for  
these special stores was the
nasty publicity that issued after an out-of-state tourist was arrested  
by police tasked with tracking people crossing the bridge into New  
Hampshire, purchasing alcohol, and then driving right back.

Regards
Marshall

> Cheers,
>
> Jonne.
>
>
>
> On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>>
>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>>
>> [This is sadly almost true].
>>
>> Ole
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>
>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
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Thank you to everyone for the advice!

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But if you are using a US credit card, the  US bank charges a "foreign 
transaction fee" on each charge.  So it makes more sense to withdraw cash 
from an ATM, and just incur one such fee.
.

75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/17/2009 07:28:54 AM:

> On Friday 17 July 2009 13.11.33 Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think you'll find exactly the opposite in Sweden.  I hardly ever carry 
any 
> cash in Sweden (and I live there...) because I can use my card 
everywhere. 
> That said, it doesn't hurt to have some cash (if you want to buy a hot 
dog 
> from a street vendor or something...), but I don't think you'll need 
very 
> much.
> 
> Cheers,
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But if you are using a US credit card,
the  US bank charges a "foreign transaction fee" on each
charge.  So it makes more sense to withdraw cash from an ATM, and
just incur one such fee.

.

75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/17/2009 07:28:54
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> On Friday 17 July 2009 13.11.33 Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> 

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I think you'll find exactly the opposite in Sweden.  I hardly
ever carry any 

> cash in Sweden (and I live there...) because I can use my card everywhere.

> That said, it doesn't hurt to have some cash (if you want to buy a
hot dog 

> from a street vendor or something...), but I don't think you'll need
very 

> much.

> 

> Cheers,

> 

> David

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:26:50AM +0300, Soininen, Jonne (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> Ole,
> 
> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...

Not really.  For most of my life, Canada had much higher taxes on
alcohol, tobacco, and gasoline (and actually, higher taxes generally)
than the U.S.  Anyone who lived within reasonable distance of the
U.S. border would try to arrange things so that they could buy such
stuff in the U.S. -- this even when the US dollar was worth $0.25 more
than the Canadian one.  There was a major problem with cigarette
smuggling a few years ago (taxes on a packet of cigarettes made them,
IIRC, > C$7.00 in Ontario when they were in the area of US$2.50 in NY
state).

This is why when going into the U.S., one generally faced an
immigration officer, but when entering Canada at a land crossing one
almost always dealt with a customs officer.  The Government of Canada
really didn't care if you wanted to get into our big empty country,
but they sure as heck wanted to be sure you paid your taxes!

(Much of this has changed lately, as alas our Mexican and Czech
friends have learned only this week.)

A

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If you want it cheaper you can always ride with the "flygbuss" (Airport =
coach). The cost is 110SEK=20
http://www.flygbussarna.se/PageFB.aspx?page=3D5224&lang=3DEN
=20
BR
Ingemar
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
>>
>> Yes , it is fast and efficient but is also extremely expensive -
>> probably one of the most expensive rail journeys in the world km for =
km.
>> 240SEK or best part of 25 euro each way for a 20min ride..
>
> You mean as opposed to heatrow express? :-)
>
They certainly vie for the laurels!
The Heathrow Express may well be the most expensive mile for mile ...
but it has to compete with the Gatwick Express :-)
What was that about 'captive markets'?

Personally I always use the Underground to/from Heathrow... about a
fifth of the cost and hardly slower if you need to be anywhere else than
Paddington.  (The only time I ever took the 'Express' it turned out to
be far from it.. over an hour due to some other train breaking!)

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(not sure if my previous thank you got through)

Thank you to everyone for the information about need for cash, use of 
credit cards, where to do the exchange, etc.

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On 15 jul 2009, at 19.43, Sandra Murphy wrote:

> Any chance there is someone just as knowledgeable about teashops?

My colleague Lars-Johan Liman, but he is on vacation.

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On 16 jul 2009, at 00.36, Elwyn Davies wrote:

> Jo=E3o Damas wrote:
>> book online before arrival and the whole thing is even more seamless.
>>
>> On 15 Jul 2009, at 22:11, Stig Venaas wrote:
>>
>>> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>>>> Hi,   I couldn't find any info on how to get to the hotel, e.g.
>>>> Clarion from the
>>>> airport.
>>>
>>> The best way is the dedicated airport train, Arlanda Express.
>>> https://www.arlandaexpress.com/default.aspx?page=3D3&
>>>
>>> It takes 20 minutes from the airport and is quite comfortable. It =20=

>>> goes
>>> to the Stockholm Central Station, which should be close to most of =20=

>>> the
>>> IETF hotels.
>>>
>>> Stig
>
> Yes , it is fast and efficient but is also extremely expensive -
> probably one of the most expensive rail journeys in the world km for =20=

> km.
> 240SEK or best part of 25 euro each way for a 20min ride..

You mean as opposed to heatrow express? :-)

> except if you
> find a travelling companion there is effectively a half price deal
> during the summer.
>
> If your budget is constrained and you can't find a companion (the web
> site says they are organizing a mating service on the concourse at
> Arlanda), the airport bus is almost as convenient and maybe more so
> depending on where your hotel is as there may be a stop near your =20
> hotel
> (perhaps only a small chance!).

The chance is very small.

> http://www.flygbussarna.se/
> Arlanda -> Stockholm city
> 110SEK each way or 199 SEK return.
> Roughly every 15 minutes, travel time 50-55 mins.
> Arrives at the central station two floors up from the train (and hence
> closer to the taxis I think).

Well. The trusted taxi companies are outside the aiport train or main =20=

entrance of central station. I would stick with either of Taxi =20
Stockholm, Taxi 020, Taxi Kurir (and than I mean that spelling, i.e =20
not Stockholm taxi) as the risk of getting ripped of to/from the =20
aiport is otherwise quite high.

> Note that the last bus out to Arlanda is quite early (10pm).

Yes.

> The conference centre is 6 or 7 blocks or about 800 metres from the =20=

> bus
> station (and a bit more from the train).

I would say that the train is closer than the busses. I walk that =20
distance to and from work every day.

>  There is a slightly closer
> metro (T-banan =3D Tunel-banan) station but by the time you have =
trekked
> through the central station at one end - it really is at the opposite
> end of the site from the bus station and nearly as far from the =20
> Arlanda
> express (especially the back of the train!), bought a single ticket =20=

> and
> walked back from Hotorget at the other end you might as well find a =20=

> bus,
> walk or succumb to the lure of a taxi.

I would NOT take the Metro from either the busses or the train. It =20
will be much longer walking than walking there directly.

> BTW Swedish taxis are very expensive (to my wallet at least), but
> (almost?) all take credit cards.

Taxi prices are subjective, but yes they take credit cards.

> An intermediate option between the train and an individual taxi is the
> Flygtaxi .. bit like a shared van in the US but a bit more civilized.
> http://www.flygtaxi.se/locations/show/?id=3DL5003
>
> Looks to be about 600 SEK for the journey to the conference centre =20
> from
> the airport (although one company was offering a cheaper deal)..
> The web site is not fully translated, but rides can be prebooked or
> there is a counter in all the terminals at Arlanda (overseas flights
> msotly arrive at Terminal 5).

I have never used that.

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On 15 jul 2009, at 19.53, Scott Brim wrote:

> What about curry shops?
> _______________________________________________

Stockholm sucks for that.

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Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
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> On 15 jul 2009, at 19.53, Scott Brim wrote:
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>> What about curry shops?
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Stockholm sucks for that.

Hmm... has anyone proposed India as a site for a future IETF yet? :-)

- jana

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> 
> Hmm... has anyone proposed India as a site for a future IETF yet? :-)
> 
> - jana
> 
> -- 

Yes.

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On 17 jul 2009, at 19:19, Ole Jacobsen wrote:

>> Hmm... has anyone proposed India as a site for a future IETF yet? :-)

> Yes.

Welcome reception in the Taj Mahal would at least partially compensate  
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On 17 jul 2009, at 20.14, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On 17 jul 2009, at 19:19, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
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>>> Hmm... has anyone proposed India as a site for a future IETF  
>>> yet? :-)
>
>> Yes.
>
> Welcome reception in the Taj Mahal would at least partially  
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And if we did it in september for once the concerns of people dying in  
the heatwave might be warranted...:-)

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Subject: [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
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Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my high-ankle  
sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play in the goal), anyone  
up for a soccer football ad hoc?
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FYI; all future updates be posted to ietf-sailors@ietf.org.

Lars

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Eggert Lars (Nokia-NRC/Espoo)" 
> Date: July 19, 2009 14:23:23 GMT+03:00
> To: "ietf-sailors@ietf.org" 
> Subject: Re: [ietf-sailors] we're on our way
>
> Slight problem with @zourzouvillys location feed; use =
http://bit.ly/pSpmH=20
>  instead.
>
> Lars
>
> On 2009-7-19, at 13:51, Eggert Lars (Nokia-NRC/Espoo) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> just FYI, Theo, Dean and me together with Simo are since yesterday =20=

>> sailing to Stockholm on Tero and Simo's boat Aranel. We left =20
>> Naantali in the early afternoon and are now making our way to the =20
>> =C5lands.
>>
>> Our live location (thanks to Theo) is at =
http://labs.voip.co.uk/loc/theo=20
>> . (We're trying to have it display a breadcrumb track.)
>>
>> We'll be setting up photo sharing (probably via Flickr) at some =20
>> point, and meanwhile you can follow zourzouvillys or larse on =20
>> Twitter and/or Facebook.
>>
>> Lars
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Erik (cc:ed) at Tre want to inform that the store on Kungsgatan a =20
short walk from the venue (http://tinyurl.com/lt45n7) is prepared on =20
questions from IETF participants.

The head of that store, Sueb Hussein, knows about the IETF, and should =20=

be prepared on "weird questions" from you all.

The cost is 99SEK for a week of prepaid mobile broadband (3Gdata) up =20
to 6Mbps with a 10GB cap.

If you need a modem, you can buy one, and the cheapest is 495SEK =20
(Huawei E1550).

See (in Swedish) =
http://www.tre.se/templates/BroadbandShop/BroadbandPrepaid.aspx?id=3D33862=

If we look at making phone calls you can buy a prepaid card (price =20
start at 75SEK) that give you various features.

If you for example buy a package for 150 or 300 SEK, you get 3000 free =20=

SMS within Sweden included, 0SEK/min to all customers of the provider =20=

itself plus all fixed phone customers in Sweden, 10SEK/MByte for data. =20=

Free Skype and MSN messenger built into the account if you get a =20
cellphone from Tre (that exists for .

If you pay an additional 29SEK/month, you can call for only 0.18SEK/=20
min to many countries. See 3Global at =
http://www.tre.se/International/Templates/Default.aspx?id=3D27309=20
.

See http://www.tre.se/templates/TabCampaignPage.aspx?id=3D35740, and =
http://www.tre.se/upload/Nya%20tj=E4nstesidor/3Kontant/Prislista%203Kontan=
t%2020090415_v1.pdf=20
  for the detailed pricelist (all in Swedish, but you should be able =20
to guess the major things).

At the moment there is on top of that a campaign that give you not =20
150SEK but 150+150=3D300SEK to use when you buy a "start package" for =20=

150SEK.

You can add money to the prepaid card in steps of 75/125/300/500SEK.

You can add money in a store, or online via credit card.

        Patrik

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+1=20

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> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric Burger
> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 19 juillet 2009 03:46
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> Objet : [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
>=20
> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my=20
> high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play=20
> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?
>=20

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Cheers!!!!

Sean

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> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my 
> high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play 
> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?

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When? Do you accept female player? :)

B. R.
Tina
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  +1

  Cheers!!!!

  Sean

  > -----Original Message-----
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  > 
  > Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my 
  > high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play 
  > in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?

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When? Do you accept female player? :)

B. R.
Tina
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AM
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+1

Cheers!!!!

Sean

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> 
> Although I should know 
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> high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin 
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> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football 
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Sure. Happy to play against a ietf Mia Hamm or Sun Wen. 

Sean

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To: Sean Shen; 75attendees@ietf.org
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When? Do you accept female player? :)

B. R.
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----- Original Message ----- 
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+1

Cheers!!!!

Sean

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> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:46 AM
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> Subject: [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
> 
> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my 
> high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play 
> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?

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Sure. 
Happy to play against a ietf Mia Hamm or Sun Wen. 

Sean

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  Anyone?

  When? Do you accept female player? 
:)

  B. R.
Tina
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: 75attendees@ietf.org 
    Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:07 
    AM
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    Football, Anyone?

+1

Cheers!!!!

Sean

> 
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> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric 
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> 
> Although I should 
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> high-ankle sprain suffered in 
    Dublin (I suppose I could play 
> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer 
    football ad 
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I suppose female cheer leader is strongly welcome....

B.R.
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  When? Do you accept female player? :)

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    > Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my 
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    > in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?

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I suppose female cheer leader is strongly 
welcome....

B.R.
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  When? Do you accept female player? 
:)

  B. R.
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    To: 75attendees@ietf.org 
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+1

Cheers!!!!

Sean

> 
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> 
> Although I should 
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> high-ankle sprain suffered in 
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> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer 
    football ad 
    hoc?

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+1

lionel.morand@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:
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>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
>> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric Burger
>> Envoy� : dimanche 19 juillet 2009 03:46
>> � : 75attendees@ietf.org
>> Objet : [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
>>
>> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my 
>> high-ankle sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play 
>> in the goal), anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?
>>
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+1
Joerg Ott wrote:
> +1
>
> lionel.morand@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:
>> +1
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org 
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>>> Envoy� : dimanche 19 juillet 2009 03:46
>>> � : 75attendees@ietf.org
>>> Objet : [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
>>>
>>> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my high-ankle 
>>> sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play in the goal), 
>>> anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?
>>>
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+1

we may have people for a whole championship :)

On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 11:15 +0430, Alireza Saleh wrote:
> +1
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> >>> [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric Burger
> >>> Envoy� : dimanche 19 juillet 2009 03:46
> >>> � : 75attendees@ietf.org
> >>> Objet : [75attendees] Soccer Football, Anyone?
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> >>> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my high-ankle 
> >>> sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play in the goal), 
> >>> anyone up for a soccer football ad hoc?
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> -----Original Message-----
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>=20
> > Note that the last bus out to Arlanda is quite early (10pm).
>=20
> Yes.
>=20

What about the last bus FROM Arlanda? I am landing (ticket time) at
10:45PM so it will probably past 11PM when I will get out of the
airport. What are my options at that time of the day (or of the night)?=20

Thanks,

Dan

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On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

> What about the last bus FROM Arlanda? I am landing (ticket time) at 
> 10:45PM so it will probably past 11PM when I will get out of the 
> airport. What are my options at that time of the day (or of the night)?

Basically the buses run whenever there are flights coming in, last 
scheduled bus is at 00.30, between 00.30 and 04.50 they run on a "per 
flight" basis, between 04.50 and 00.30 they're running according to 
schedule which can be seen on the site (basically the bus leaves every 15 
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+1. Thanks!

Eric Burger wrote:
> Although I should know better, as I am not 100% from my high-ankle
> sprain suffered in Dublin (I suppose I could play in the goal), anyone
> up for a soccer football ad hoc?
> 
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If I use cash, which kind of money is convenient, SEK, USD or EUR?

Thanks.
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, Dong Zhang wrote:

> If I use cash, which kind of money is convenient, SEK, USD or EUR?

I'd say get SEK for the small spending, pay with Visa or Mastercard works 
at almost all shops etc, AMEX works at a lot of shops.

If you use EUR or USD, you can probably use it but you'll get a very bad 
exchange rate towards SEK compared to if you get SEK at an ATM or exchange 
office.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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Actually I am arriving a day earlier - on Saturday (late) evening. Is =
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Thanks and Regards,

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That is because formally Amex is not a credit card. Because in general they=
 charge more to the vendor than credit cards, vendors choose not to accept =
them.

regards

Keith=20

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> Hi,
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> A word of cautious then, those people who are having the=20
> green credit Card (American Express) may experience some few=20
> places that American Express credit card is not accepted (no=20
> no it is not discrimination, it is about how much they=20
> charged and other business conditions). So why not having=20
> other Credit Card like MasterCard, Visa JUST in CASE
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> On Friday 17 July 2009 13.11.33 Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> > On 16 jul 2009, at 19:11, Karen Seo wrote:
> > > If I bring a credit card (presumably fine for hotel and=20
> > > restaurants), do I also need to bring cash?  If I need to bring=20
> > > cash, what currency (euros? kronor?) should I bring and=20
> where/how do=20
> > > you recommend that I obtain it?
> >
> > Haven't been to Sweden before, so maybe things are unusual there.
> >
> > In general, in Europe credit cards aren't as universally=20
> accepted as=20
> > in the US.
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> Hi,
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> I think you'll find exactly the opposite in Sweden.  I hardly=20
> ever carry any
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Hi all,

I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug shape.

Thanks.
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Hi all,

I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug 
shape.

Thanks.
B.R. 

2009-07-20 

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On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 18:58 +0800, Dong Zhang wrote:
> I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug
> shape.
=20
220V, 50Hz
Plug shape: "Two round pins".

See pictures "C" and "F" here:
http://www.embassyworld.com/Voltage/Photos.html

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Hi Greg,

I counted us Finns to the same group with the Swedes, and Norwegians. I
think we are known as "Finnish Vodka Tourists" all over the world... ;)

Cheers,

Jonne.

On 7/18/09 4:36 AM, "ext Mirsky, Gregory" 
wrote:

> Jonne wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...
> 
> Not really as I vividly recall Finnish tourists being loaded into buses in
> Leningrad or any other city within night bus ride from the border.
> 
> Prozit! Esi sveiks!
> Greg
> 
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>  
> Ole,
> 
> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonne. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>> 
>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>> 
>> [This is sadly almost true].
>> 
>> Ole
>> 
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> 
>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
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On 20 jul 2009, at 12.58, Dong Zhang wrote:

> I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug  
> shape.

Please see the IETF75 website:

http://www.ietf75.se/

Specifically under "Arrival":

http://www.ietf75.se/pages/arrival/

    Patrik

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On Monday 20 July 2009 03:49:04 Staffan Jonson wrote:
> http://www.sportnik.com/group/3/page/idrottsplatser#stockholm

I made a map using the Internet:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=ta53TC4RzyuFW3y9pac3UDg&single=true&gid=1&output=html

(I'm also +1 by the way...)

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What is typical cost of taxi from airport to hotel ?  How is tip handled ? 

Thanks,
Ralph  

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Hi Greg,

I counted us Finns to the same group with the Swedes, and Norwegians. I
think we are known as "Finnish Vodka Tourists" all over the world... ;)

Cheers,

Jonne.

On 7/18/09 4:36 AM, "ext Mirsky, Gregory" 
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> Jonne wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...
> 
> Not really as I vividly recall Finnish tourists being loaded into buses in
> Leningrad or any other city within night bus ride from the border.
> 
> Prozit! Esi sveiks!
> Greg
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> Ole,
> 
> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
> the world...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonne. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>> 
>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>> 
>> [This is sadly almost true].
>> 
>> Ole
>> 
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> 
>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>> 
>>> Bob
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Liguori, Ralph V CIV DISA GES-E allegedly wrote on 07/20/2009 8:39 AM:
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> 
> What is typical cost of taxi from airport to hotel ?  How is tip handled ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ralph  

This plus more information is on http://www.ietf75.se/pages/arrival/

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According to the host's site: http://www.ietf75.se/pages/arrival/
It's about $65 unless there's 5-7 in your group.  If you're staying at 
one of the conference hotels, then the train isn't a bad option because 
it's blocks from  where the airport train drops you off, as can be seen 
on this map: 
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100589894371058605953.00046436ad89be4d84d44&ll=59.334109,18.059378&spn=0.016153,0.038581&z=15

spt

Liguori, Ralph V CIV DISA GES-E wrote:
> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> What is typical cost of taxi from airport to hotel ?  How is tip handled ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ralph  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Soininen, Jonne (NSN - FI/Espoo)
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:35 AM
> To: ext Mirsky, Gregory; Ole Jacobsen; Bob Hinden
> Cc: Hendrik Scholz; Thomson,Martin; 75attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [75attendees] currency?
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> I counted us Finns to the same group with the Swedes, and Norwegians. I
> think we are known as "Finnish Vodka Tourists" all over the world... ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonne.
> 
> 
> On 7/18/09 4:36 AM, "ext Mirsky, Gregory" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Jonne wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
>> the world...
>>
>> Not really as I vividly recall Finnish tourists being loaded into buses in
>> Leningrad or any other city within night bus ride from the border.
>>
>> Prozit! Esi sveiks!
>> Greg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 75attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Soininen, Jonne (NSN -
>> FI/Espoo)
>> Sent: Fri 7/17/2009 2:26 AM
>> To: Ole Jacobsen; Bob Hinden
>> Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org; Thomson, Martin; Hendrik Scholz
>> Subject: Re: [75attendees] currency?
>>  
>> Ole,
>>
>> I don't think there is anything sad about this. This is our cultural
>> heritage. Be proud of it! I'm pretty sure the behavior is pretty unique in
>> the world...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jonne. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/09 4:30 AM, "Ole Jacobsen"  wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to Scandinavia.
>>>
>>> Because of tax, duty and price differences we've been driving,
>>> sailing, and flying back and forth between Norway-Germany,
>>> Norway-Sweden, Sweden/Norway-Denmark and Scandinavia-Germany
>>> for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody in Norway is really
>>> interested in visiting Sweden, Denmark or Germany, but we love
>>> to get drunk on the ferry and bring back cheap booze ;-)
>>>
>>> [This is sadly almost true].
>>>
>>> Ole
>>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>>
>>>> So it the trip to Germany that allows you to get the beer, not being
>>>> in Germany itself :-)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
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+1!

Simon Perreault wrote:
> On Monday 20 July 2009 03:49:04 Staffan Jonson wrote:
>> http://www.sportnik.com/group/3/page/idrottsplatser#stockholm
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+1

Yuichi IGARASHI wrote:
> +1!
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> Simon Perreault wrote:
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>> (I'm also +1 by the way...)
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
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Janet,

The agenda itself is still located at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.html

(From the home page, look under the "Meetings" heading on the right  
side of the screen and choose "IETF 75 Stockholm."  From the resulting  
page, there is a heading called "Agendas and Meeting Materials" with  
links to the web and text agendas.)

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On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote:

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> I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new  
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> when, and where).
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http://www.ietf.org/meeting/75/ and click the "Agenda" link

Or to get directly there

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.html
or
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.txt

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On 20 jul 2009, at 18:14, Janet P Gunn wrote:

> I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new  
> IETF
> web site, I can't find the overall agenda (which WG are meeting  
> when, and
> where).

I always use this one:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/

Unlike the www.ietf stuff it actually loads before I have to leave to  
fly to Stockholm.

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I found this on the old website but not sure if it is up to date.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.html

-- Vinayak

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> Janet

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On Friday 17 July 2009 10.33.17 Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
> On 15 jul 2009, at 19.43, Sandra Murphy wrote:
> > Any chance there is someone just as knowledgeable about teashops?
>
> My colleague Lars-Johan Liman, but he is on vacation.
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> Best regards,

I missed the original question but "Sibyllans Tehandel" is always a good
place to go for tea. Map: http://bit.ly/1HZWCV

	cheers Leif

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> I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug 
shape.

It should be 220 VAC at 50 Hz, with the same plug shape as most of Europe 
(two round pins, with an optional earth)

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> I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm,
as well as the plug shape.

It should be 220 VAC at 50 Hz, with the same plug
shape as most of Europe (two round pins, with an optional earth)

Ray

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 > I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new 
> IETF web site, I can't find the overall agenda (which WG are meeting
> when, and where). 

Take your pick:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/calendar
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.txt
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.html

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> I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new

> IETF web site, I can't find the overall agenda (which WG are meeting

> when, and where). 

Take your pick:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/calendar

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/agenda.html

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Thanks for all the replies.  I see what I was missing now.

The "Meetings" page
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/
has a big ".SE" logo on it, AND a direct link to the "IETF 75 Meeting 
Materials"
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/materials.html
So I was expecting a link to the agenda from that page also.

But I need to click on the "IETF 75" first
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/75/
to get a link to the agenda.

I think my confusion was due to the fact that the ".SE" logo is the 
biggest thing on the generic "Meetings" page (but  is not, for some 
reason, on the IETF 75 page).

Janet

75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/20/2009 12:14:20 PM:

> 
> I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new 
> IETF web site, I can't find the overall agenda (which WG are meeting
> when, and where). 
> 
> Janet
> 
> 75attendees mailing list
> 75attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees

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Thanks for all the replies.  I
see what I was missing now.

The "Meetings" page

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/

has a big ".SE" logo on it,
AND a direct link to the "IETF 75 Meeting Materials"

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/75/materials.html

So I was expecting a link to the agenda
from that page also.

But I need to click on the "IETF
75" first

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/75/

to get a link to the agenda.

I think my confusion was due to the
fact that the ".SE" logo is the biggest thing on the generic
"Meetings" page (but  is not, for some reason, on the IETF
75 page).

Janet

75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/20/2009 12:14:20
PM:

> 

> I am sure I am just not looking in the right place, but on the new

> IETF web site, I can't find the overall agenda (which WG are meeting

> when, and where). 

> 

> Janet

> 

> 75attendees mailing list

> 75attendees@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees

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Hi,

for future reference I recommend you bookmark
www.kropla.com/electric2.htm

dbh

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[mailto:75attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dong Zhang
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:58 AM
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Subject: [75attendees] Voltage

Hi all,

I wonder the voltage and frequency in Stockholm, as well as the plug
shape.

Thanks.
B.R. 

2009-07-20 

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Dong Zhang

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75attendees-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 07/21/2009 01:=
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> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:

> 

> > than in a store in California. Which I think is weird as the
transportation 

> > is not short. Same for wine from many other countries.

> 

> This is explained by the fact that Systembolaget is purchasing in
bulk for 

> a whole country, so they get good deals due to volume and long purchas=
ing

> agreements. I know Australians who buy Australian wine from Sweden
via 

> people here due to this fact.

> 

> > Note that prices on restaurants in Sweden do include tax, and
do 

> include tip.

> 

> Please note that ALL prices for EVERYTHING in Sweden is including
VAT. It 

> is illegal to market things in Sweden to non-companies with prices

> excluding VAT. VAT in Sweden is called "moms" and if a price
is without 

> moms the it should be clearly marked as such.

> 

> -- 

> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.

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