From dhc@dcrocker.net Sat Aug 1 00:23:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492CD3A6A1A; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.105, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0jyAzd6D5hs; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DCF3A67A6; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.43.1.178] ([77.241.97.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n717N5Wq021272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:23:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:22:57 +0200 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <6F809C2F-714A-402F-8E90-D834F7002354@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6F809C2F-714A-402F-8E90-D834F7002354@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:23:15 -0000 Fred Baker wrote: > On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" > > That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had been > considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print the > designs and enabling IETFers to order them. With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness, at having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the Unix license plate might be helpful. The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa Monica and the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying first he wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix licenses. (Bell provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold bare hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.) Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" on it, purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die"). This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to do it again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit this, that it had been a one-time special. The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, but in a different color. This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the original, without losing the essence, might help here. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From fred@cisco.com Sat Aug 1 00:35:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BA43A6873; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.829 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.829 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.770, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53gHMDLlzV-m; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com (mail146.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EE63A68BB; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: fred@cisco.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1249112117!10422345!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.54] Received: (qmail 5148 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2009 07:35:17 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.54) by server-6.tower-146.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Aug 2009 07:35:17 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n717ZHbZ027672; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:35:17 -0400 Received: from misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com (misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com [144.155.43.106]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n717ZB86027646; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:35:12 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:35:11 -0400 Received: from GAALPA1MSGFES8B.ugd.att.com ([135.53.17.22]) by misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:13:10 -0400 Received: from tlph063.enaf.dadc.sbc.com ([144.160.112.19]) by GAALPA1MSGFES8B.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:13:14 -0400 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tlph063.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n716DEoT023889; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:13:14 -0500 Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by tlph063.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id n716D7t3023839; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:13:07 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1249107185!11615413!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [64.170.98.32] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjQuMTcwLjk4LjMyID0+IDE2MDU1MA==\n Received: (qmail 21021 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2009 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from mail.ietf.org (HELO mail.ietf.org) (64.170.98.32) by server-14.tower-161.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2009 06:13:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AF53A67F0; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C284E3A6804; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fNQk3ipvnKcT; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235AC3A67A6; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,306,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="358284855" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2009 06:12:26 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n716CQTm012280; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:26 -0700 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n716CQRq009641; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:12:26 GMT Message-Id: <6F809C2F-714A-402F-8E90-D834F7002354@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:12:23 -0700 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=433; t=1249107146; x=1249971146; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20IETF74=20T-Shirt=20Art=20Donated=20to=2 0IETF=20Trust |Sender:=20; bh=ow5rs6744GNbWrQ4Qf80Kzl4Tqe3e9Ok2GIfHBM9WCY=; b=l26uMTlOJnPtgUyEGNtm38lXJAKQRJmKPTAvI04/fF3eoIP1iOnLZelSiL t0NE4CpR01HBnUmKDXhzG3dtjew5lfJ/+AfTYH0DIqrgaHfCi0dqH9OjFRXE Z7WC0Tl/mO; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2009 06:13:14.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[27439210:01CA126F] Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:35:18 -0000 On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote: > this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print the designs and enabling IETFers to order them. The monetary value to the IETF - the revenue stream - is very much TBD, and I wouldn't automatically assume it was large. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From fred@cisco.com Sat Aug 1 00:37:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90D03A6A12; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.857 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.857 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CATrPB-0ON9g; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FA43A6A75; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: fred@cisco.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1249112277!35810039!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.54] Received: (qmail 5314 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2009 07:37:57 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.54) by server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Aug 2009 07:37:57 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n717but4028383; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:37:56 -0400 Received: from misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com (misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com [144.155.43.106]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n717brdJ028378; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:37:53 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:37:52 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGPUB8B.ugd.att.com ([144.151.202.114]) by misout7msgusr7d.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:10:42 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGFES8C.ugd.att.com ([144.151.202.112]) by MISOUT7MSGPUB8B.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:10:51 -0400 Received: from mlph071.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com ([144.160.20.51]) by MISOUT7MSGFES8C.ugd.att.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:10:51 -0400 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph071.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n716ApVg020631; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:10:51 -0400 Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by mlph071.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id n716Ak4m020143; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:10:46 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-167.messagelabs.com!1249107045!10066366!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [64.170.98.32] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjQuMTcwLjk4LjMyID0+IDE2MDU1MA==\n Received: (qmail 11460 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2009 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from mail.ietf.org (HELO mail.ietf.org) (64.170.98.32) by server-2.tower-167.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2009 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3804F3A68A2; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABABD3A67F0; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1s4e8JpQGuD; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3873A67FF; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:08:46 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGN4c0qrR7PE/2dsb2JhbAC5UogpkDYFhBiBTw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,306,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="358284087" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2009 06:08:48 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7168mqS010076; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:08:48 -0700 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7168mIX016006; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:08:48 GMT Message-Id: From: Fred Baker To: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" In-Reply-To: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:08:48 -0700 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=287; t=1249106928; x=1249970928; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[75attendees]=20IETF74=20T-Shirt=20Art= 20Donated=20to=20IETF=20Trust |Sender:=20; bh=8Cya6bN/q+4hy0TDfcoVJBH/liXX4W1yvBJJb/Yvixs=; b=oHgMbTkMy38CTTMhHppqPOLpushC9N1XTj06LOEqUtWWIxiC9GLmm7vtP+ p8S5pGhm+aKaBQIqJvLaVl3C+PqxcvLRah1XyVD0J28DsfFwGF7+T3fooyFf CcOOgtSJuX; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2009 06:10:51.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[D21CDD50:01CA126E] Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:37:57 -0000 On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: > Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San > Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the > IETF Trust. Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From pierre.francois@uclouvain.be Sat Aug 1 04:56:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D403A68BB for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cmWQQQpzj+BB for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtpout.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D844C3A68AD for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nukuhiva.local (226.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.113.226]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pifrancois@smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7858EEF554 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:56:59 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp4.sgsi.ucl.ac.be 7858EEF554 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1249127819; bh=lmJdbRiVghNglpbc3GWWse0U79beC1Nkh6IXmdG4axU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bm62Jkp9Xv9umWaBLLLnY8uwWjjxwZEXs/LPDLTTFiOdJpBRAq3kD2s11Wc6W6P6i zEW+iEaqQGs4TPTe7K2FWP2mB4pG7yNsAcPu8EDD0mdUhPHj0pPAQ4kVLIJ1goiBOj HfBHFh/1C2ZE4YLo78Fe1x5AIqq+dwsk0FDo9hbs= Message-ID: <4A742D83.3060705@uclouvain.be> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:56:51 +0200 From: Pierre Francois User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 75attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at smtp-4.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: 7858EEF554.00000 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: pierre.francois@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Subject: [75attendees] anyone still on site ? X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: pierre.francois@uclouvain.be List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:56:56 -0000 Hey, I usually bring one of these kitschy-tourist fridge magnet when travelling back from abroad. I was flying back from Bromma airport and, even though this airport is great (10km from CCC, the coach to arrive in front of CCC is at 70 SEK, cab < 200SEK), it critically lacks of these. If anyone is still on site and plans to attend IETF-76, could he please get one for me ? I will exchange it against a Belgian specialty of your choice amongst - Light Beer - Beer - Strong Beer. My requirements are the following : - The kitschiest magnet you've found, but still representative of Stockholm or Sweden if none of the former can be found. - If possible, a soft one, as my nephew's new hobby is to try to have them stick to the fridge after being thrown from far. Thanks, Pierre. From pierre.francois@uclouvain.be Sat Aug 1 05:24:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAAC28C3B5 for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITye2fQlWaKo for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtpout.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A2F28E1AA for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nukuhiva.local (226.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.113.226]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pifrancois@smtp3.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp3.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EDD51C5A0F for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:08:51 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp3.sgsi.ucl.ac.be 6EDD51C5A0F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1249128531; bh=57DHMzuSOfxYMLLq1lZjw6y4fr0+tFLZEkqz38sYJOk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XGZosfUJwLpEOAXtb8Zga2cT/zS5zeRxrHU2pCnYHH4aXK2LCfVW/EJU40AOMzPC7 RjnBABii3M5icrxda4EjuCj9kRngpVefvN9yqXCamkTBaGSsQutnCIysw0B2Y+k634 7fV+7t/NFLWQJscm3U64ATN/ScCl+/F427YHZHaw= Message-ID: <4A743052.5040007@uclouvain.be> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:08:50 +0200 From: Pierre Francois User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 75attendees@ietf.org References: <4A742D83.3060705@uclouvain.be> In-Reply-To: <4A742D83.3060705@uclouvain.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at smtp-3.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: 6EDD51C5A0F.00000 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: pierre.francois@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: [75attendees] anyone still on site ? X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: pierre.francois@uclouvain.be List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:24:54 -0000 Hey, Of course, you have to answer me and the rule is First Come First to Serve me. I won't be able to bring beers for everyone who sends me an "I got one" email :-) /pfr Pierre Francois wrote: > > Hey, > > I usually bring one of these kitschy-tourist fridge magnet when > travelling back from abroad. > > I was flying back from Bromma airport and, even though this airport is > great > (10km from CCC, the coach to arrive in front of CCC is at 70 SEK, cab < > 200SEK), > it critically lacks of these. > > If anyone is still on site and plans to attend IETF-76, could he please > get one for me ? I will exchange it against a Belgian specialty of your > choice amongst > > - Light Beer > - Beer > - Strong Beer. > > > My requirements are the following : > > - The kitschiest magnet you've found, but still representative of > Stockholm or Sweden if none of the former can be found. > > - If possible, a soft one, as my nephew's new hobby is to try to have > them stick to the fridge after being thrown from far. > > Thanks, > > Pierre. > > _______________________________________________ > 75attendees mailing list > 75attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees > From marshall.eubanks@iformata.com Sat Aug 1 18:04:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871363A6A0D; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z-usDNs3fVf0; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp171.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp171.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C463A6B52; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay27.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay27.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DCF9A1B4008; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay27.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: marshall.eubanks-AT-iformata.com) with ESMTPSA id 466E61B4002; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2F95903F-06A5-4D9D-90DE-58A19056B031@iformata.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:04:07 -0400 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:04:37 -0000 On Aug 1, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:49 AM, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: > >> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San >> Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the >> IETF Trust. > > Speaking as a Trustee, the Trust thanks Juniper for the donation. Dear Gregory; I would also like to thank Juniper for this donation. Regards Marshall > > _______________________________________________ > 75attendees mailing list > 75attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees Marshall Eubanks CTO / Iformata Communications marshall.eubanks@iformata.com From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Sun Aug 2 11:09:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE593A63EC for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.283 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.283 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.316, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2s6f+2D4G7hd for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og122.obsmtp.com (exprod7og122.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA593A6ADC for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob122.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSnXWQVy6Uz2xn6nL+bNK5H7F3BO+zNLj@postini.com; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:09:12 PDT Received: from webmail.nominum.com (webmail.nominum.com [64.89.228.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "webmail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AAE1B8326; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpna-148.vpn.nominum.com (64.89.227.148) by exchange-01.win.nominum.com (64.89.228.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.336.0; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ted Lemon To: In-Reply-To: <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:08:56 -0500 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <6F809C2F-714A-402F-8E90-D834F7002354@cisco.com> <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:09:36 -0000 On Aug 1, 2009, at 2:22 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a > Unix > license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd > "Unix" on it, > purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die"). LFoD (I've been mentally abbreviating it that way since I was about ten) is New Hampshire, not Vermont. The Vermont motto is "Freedom and Unity." From ietfdbh@comcast.net Sun Aug 2 11:10:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571D33A6AD5 for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.292 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.292 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.107, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ezi0moKj-e4 for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2943A63EC for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PVxg1c0011eYJf8A8WAUrw; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:10:28 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([78.64.88.120]) by OMTA19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PWAJ1c0072bnT5q01WAMbX; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:10:26 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: <75attendees@ietf.org> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:10:17 +0200 Message-ID: <009901ca139c$82370430$7858404e@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AcoTnH0QZLpU5l7CTCmY2jqGbT417Q== Subject: [75attendees] anybody still around? X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:10:26 -0000 Hi, If anybody is still around that might be interested in dinner or drinks tonight (Sunday), please let me know. I'll check email occasionally. David Harrington dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net dharrington@huawei.com From weiler@watson.org Fri Jul 31 11:34:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861AB3A6E3B for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.165, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X48qIj-0dlad for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB333A6C8B for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6VIYTub036736; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from weiler@watson.org) Received: from localhost (weiler@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n6VIYS91036731; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:34:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from weiler@watson.org) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: weiler owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:34:28 +0100 (BST) From: Samuel Weiler To: "Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0)" In-Reply-To: <3A5AA67A8B120B48825BFFCF544385614A60B5B5EF@NDJSSCC03.ndc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: References: <292BD6E016C29243BB231D329D626C8C02A4F991@USDALSMBS05.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <34AD7A646E23EF3CB2F88C9D@JcK-eee9.example.com> <3A5AA67A8B120B48825BFFCF544385614A60B5B5EF@NDJSSCC03.ndc.nasa.gov> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:34:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Cc: "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] Share Train to ARN Saturday around 7:30am ? X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:34:42 -0000 The Arlanda Express station has an area for meeting people to share 2-for-1 tickets with -- you may find that pre-planning is not needed. It's near the staffed ticket counter. -- Sam From jmpolk@cisco.com Fri Jul 31 21:41:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36D93A67AF; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tD+8NtCgNjwU; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEBE3A67CF; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsEGAIBkc0qrR7O6/2dsb2JhbACISLEIiCmQOAWEGIFP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,306,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="358258701" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2009 04:41:08 +0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n714f7xe015708; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:07 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n714f7hI023929; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:41:07 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:07 -0700 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com ([10.89.13.75]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:06 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:40:51 -0500 To: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" , ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2009 04:41:06.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[489B9050:01CA1262] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2335; t=1249101667; x=1249965667; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20IETF74=20T-Shirt=20Art=20Donated=20to=2 0IETF=20Trust |Sender:=20; bh=jUhnq1XD0pTeOXP4XGzciCQMWflvUGaljdGnUQ21J2A=; b=I0vo+p7bciZJV3dpcZoVzsgPQCIz3tnVH/QelpbDSngLktPyyGZeeSxwW9 N2im1xbQg7AaI2ZKRju/7YVgTvlmVIbY8g4R98L8W/ryYHqC9K77H3rF6huv i/C3BmVyXJ; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:41:06 -0000 This is a cool design, I agree. With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I? ;-) that this is a very popular design. So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF meeting. I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my wife or daughter. But the idea that there is one per paid attendee remains. I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too pessimistic... James BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales. At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: >I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to >clarify here for all. > >Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San >Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the >IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy more >of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling >those requests. > >We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 >transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool >way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court. > >Hope it helps, and enjoy, >the Juniper host team from IETF74 > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >IETF-related email from >Gregory M. Lebovitz >Juniper Networks >g r e go r y d o t i e tf a t g m a i l do t c o m >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From jmpolk@cisco.com Sat Aug 1 00:32:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0513A6907; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bj7V2LiUsdet; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D383A680D; 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d="scan'208";a="358258701" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2009 04:41:08 +0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n714f7xe015708; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:07 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n714f7hI023929; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:41:07 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:07 -0700 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com ([10.89.13.75]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:06 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:40:51 -0500 To: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" , ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2009 04:41:06.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[489B9050:01CA1262] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2335; t=1249101667; x=1249965667; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22James=20M.=20Polk=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20IETF74=20T-Shirt=20Art=20Donated=20to=2 0IETF=20Trust |Sender:=20; bh=jUhnq1XD0pTeOXP4XGzciCQMWflvUGaljdGnUQ21J2A=; b=I0vo+p7bciZJV3dpcZoVzsgPQCIz3tnVH/QelpbDSngLktPyyGZeeSxwW9 N2im1xbQg7AaI2ZKRju/7YVgTvlmVIbY8g4R98L8W/ryYHqC9K77H3rF6huv i/C3BmVyXJ; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=jmpolk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:32:30 -0000 This is a cool design, I agree. With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I? ;-) that this is a very popular design. So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF meeting. I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my wife or daughter. But the idea that there is one per paid attendee remains. I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too pessimistic... James BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales. At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: >I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to >clarify here for all. > >Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San >Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the >IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy more >of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling >those requests. > >We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 >transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool >way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court. > >Hope it helps, and enjoy, >the Juniper host team from IETF74 > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >IETF-related email from >Gregory M. Lebovitz >Juniper Networks >g r e go r y d o t i e tf a t g m a i l do t c o m >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From d3e3e3@gmail.com Sat Aug 1 13:47:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB73A6CBB; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBP9d6npwHyM; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5635D3A6D70; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so2219812ewy.37 for ; Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dwc45t6A4115DxBxESxetAPrQtaSn44hQYN1RROxC9E=; b=sU1RC0fGf6fK+Hs9vRQgvq/sGL6RqeW3Lo2nuImf/I5zgJBFppD5WLsxSObGgzo1Rl ZIELNem/Y8ZzdCXOoTCx1zvQiAiz8R/zOaF0Xq6o62sofiOCCwNamHyJ0SjOre6F2Ma3 dal22mnptRpBxlxHz5rULs3TpcMT+OftW9YsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K1090zczriLnzI5ujuKVBx5RBlb5jAbXc1VD3T6tHYwo9A9NAceWqHu6G2U5ZdWcTH Rn5NexDrPFPrmaiZkWONTpvILh4mXDS24KrHE6Trd+0SYQQD0nPXKg6+NfWTyAucPybE XeU/FIPZdRR5s/+5Dt+UOEsUNM56seeLuuQfM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.48.209 with SMTP id v59mr782656web.78.1249159600180; Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1028365c0908011346j4c7b9d3ex9965333970abe2de@mail.gmail.com> From: Donald Eastlake To: "James M. Polk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:47:10 -0000 Just be sure they are labeled "Reprint". Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-634-2066 (home) 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, James M. Polk wrote: > This is a cool design, I agree. > > With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of > the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to > any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. > > There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably = is > the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in > Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular > IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I? =A0;-) =A0that this is a ve= ry > popular design. > > So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity > that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF > meeting. > > I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather larg= e > man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my > wife or daughter. =A0But the idea that there is one per paid attendee rem= ains. > > I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next st= ep > to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too > pessimistic... > > James > > BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the eve= nt > sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe > they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales. > > At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: >> >> I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to >> clarify here for all. >> >> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco >> T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. T= his >> was done because a) many people wanted to buy more of these shirts, b) t= he >> IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling those requests. >> >> We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 >> transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool way = . >> The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court. >> >> Hope it helps, and enjoy, >> the Juniper host team from IETF74 >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++ >> IETF-related email from >> Gregory M. Lebovitz >> Juniper Networks >> g r e go r =A0y d o t =A0i e tf a t =A0g m a i l =A0do t c o =A0m >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > From Frederick.Knight@netapp.com Sat Aug 1 14:17:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5783A6983; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cxPmtPKmI4rz; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219573A697E; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,307,1246863600"; d="scan'208";a="216755722" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2009 14:17:42 -0700 Received: from sacrsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com (sacrsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.99.115.27]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id n71LHgNg026451; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtprsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.100.161.114]) by sacrsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:17:42 -0700 Received: from RTPMVEXC1-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([10.100.161.111]) by rtprsexc1-prd.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:17:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust Thread-Index: AcoSePSpniKvkFkKTtWISPJ54taE7wAdCPKg From: "Knight, Frederick" To: , "Fred Baker" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2009 21:17:40.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[8098B100:01CA12ED] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:17:41 -0000 Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall). But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New Hampshire is "Live Free or Die". Just to give credit where credit is due. Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State License plates with that Motto written on them. Fred Knight -----Original Message----- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:23 AM To: Fred Baker Cc: ietf@ietf.org; 74attendees@ietf.org; 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust Fred Baker wrote: > On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" >=20 > That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had=20 > been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print=20 > the designs and enabling IETFers to order them. With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness, at=20 having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the Unix=20 license plate might be helpful. The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa Monica and=20 the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying first he=20 wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix licenses. (Bell=20 provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold bare=20 hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.) Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" on it,=20 purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die"). This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to do it=20 again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit this, that=20 it had been a one-time special. The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, but in a=20 different color. This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the=20 original, without losing the essence, might help here. d/ --=20 Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 75attendees mailing list 75attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees From tme@americafree.tv Sat Aug 1 18:02:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849A93A69D8; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LN4ya3l9MDnB; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.americafree.tv (rossini.americafree.tv [63.105.122.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC633A6866; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (rossini.americafree.tv [63.105.122.34]) by mail.americafree.tv (Postfix) with ESMTP id A958546153BF; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Marshall Eubanks To: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:02:26 -0400 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:20 -0700 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:02:27 -0000 On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:40 AM, James M. Polk wrote: > This is a cool design, I agree. > > With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the > devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to > be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. > > There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most > notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., > IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) > the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I? ;-) > that this is a very popular design. > > So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the > purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that > particular IETF meeting. > If the IETF made $ 5 profit on each shirt sold we would be doing well. If the IETF sold 100 shirts we would IMO be doing well. If we sold 1000, we would be doing spectacularly well IMHO. That would net $ 5000. That's less than ten registrations at a meeting. I am neutral about whether or not we do this, but please don't imagine that it will supplant registration fees or otherwise lead to sudden riches. Regards Marshall > I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather > large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size > that fits my wife or daughter. But the idea that there is one per > paid attendee remains. > > I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the > next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might > be being too pessimistic... > > James > > BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- > the event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who > might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus > COGS) in sales. > > At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: >> I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like >> to clarify here for all. >> >> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San >> Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to >> the IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy >> more of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in >> fulfilling those requests. >> >> We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 >> transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool >> way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court. >> >> Hope it helps, and enjoy, >> the Juniper host team from IETF74 >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++ >> IETF-related email from >> Gregory M. Lebovitz >> Juniper Networks >> g r e go r y d o t i e tf a t g m a i l do t c o m >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Mon Aug 3 10:12:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CF63A6CFC; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.288, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UZxuMp1qzsyL; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og108.obsmtp.com (exprod7og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.169]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5D63A68F6; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob108.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSncaktRizYIE17Ex602Hkm9N8bObYtCy@postini.com; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:12:55 PDT Received: from webmail.nominum.com (webmail.nominum.com [64.89.228.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "webmail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE151B831F; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpna-148.vpn.nominum.com (64.89.227.148) by exchange-01.win.nominum.com (64.89.228.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.336.0; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> From: Ted Lemon To: Marshall Eubanks In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:12:45 -0500 References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: "James M. Polk" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:12:53 -0000 On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > That would net $ 5000. That's less than ten registrations at a > meeting. I am neutral about whether or not we do this, but please > don't imagine that it will supplant registration fees or otherwise > lead to sudden riches. One fairly obvious corollary to this is that in all likelihood the number of people who would purchase duplicate shirts in order to inappropriately claim that they were at IETF 74 is probably quite small. Much smaller than the number who were there and just didn't get one in their size (e.g., me) or who weren't there, don't particularly want to claim to have been there, but like the shirt and the message on the shirt and would like to be able to wear it around so that it might stimulate the occasional discourse on the urgency of IPv6 deployment. Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that seems like a waste of effort to me. From joelja@bogus.com Mon Aug 3 22:45:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE373A69B5; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYaJV9ePbuPb; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9483A6F34; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.19.180] (adsl-69-226-140-228.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.226.140.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n745iehH086249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 05:45:23 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4A77CAC8.3050207@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:44:40 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090710) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <6F809C2F-714A-402F-8E90-D834F7002354@cisco.com> <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4A73ED51.3030806@dcrocker.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:45:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:27:47 -0700 Cc: 75attendees@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:45:34 -0000 Dave CROCKER wrote: > > Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix > license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" > on it, purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die"). > > This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to > do it again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not > permit this, that it had been a one-time special. > > The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, > but in a different color. In point of fact they (Compaq by then) later produced Linux license plates, which is either a derivative work or a more complete realization or both depending on your perspective. > This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the > original, without losing the essence, might help here. > > d/ From randy@psg.com Fri Aug 7 20:53:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7764E3A6CB7; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8R7Wh8VKPuUL; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D11E3A6C91; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rmac.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MZczb-000G9Q-OF; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:53:15 +0000 Received: from rmac.local.psg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmac.psg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B752925927; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:53:15 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:53:14 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" In-Reply-To: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:53:15 -0000 > Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San > Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the > IETF Trust. cool. and thanks. now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, how, why, and black helicopters. but, months later, where are actual shirts? you know, tangible results, operational stuff, not fluff about boiling the ocean. how typical of the ietf. randy From phil@juniper.net Sat Aug 8 07:29:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B9C3A67B2; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.544 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PkRzdijCGVZQ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og109.obsmtp.com (exprod7og109.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F225B3A6BD5; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob109.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSn2LocfqRQ2FkoUuyX9ijmhmM/gt8QZS@postini.com; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:28:51 PDT Received: from p-emfe01-sac.jnpr.net (66.129.254.72) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:26:15 -0700 Received: from p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.46]) by p-emfe01-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:26:15 -0700 Received: from emailsmtp56.jnpr.net ([172.24.60.77]) by p-emlb01-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:26:14 -0700 Received: from magenta.juniper.net ([172.17.27.123]) by emailsmtp56.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:26:14 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id n78EQDd74732; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n78EEXF5046514; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:14:34 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> To: Randy Bush In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:14:33 -0400 From: Phil Shafer X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2009 14:26:14.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F24B020:01CA1834] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:29:39 -0000 Randy Bush writes: >now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, >how, why, and black helicopters. Can we GPL/CCL the artwork? Or would this mean that I have to give a t-shirt to anyone who asks where I got mine? ;^) Thanks, Phil (who had nothing to do with the shirt, but also thinks it's cool) From randy@psg.com Sat Aug 8 07:49:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060A23A6C1B; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id saJP2Eu6f6HH; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724D93A6C49; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rmac.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MZnF5-000HNd-0g; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:49:55 +0000 Received: from rmac.local.psg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmac.psg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634012929920; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:49:54 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:49:54 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Phil Shafer In-Reply-To: <200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> References: <200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:49:57 -0000 >> now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, >> how, why, and black helicopters. > Can we GPL/CCL the artwork? Or would this mean that I have > to give a t-shirt to anyone who asks where I got mine? ;^) cc or bsd license can avoid that problem but, if i remember aright, you would need one between xxl and xl, i.e., in xml randy From phil@juniper.net Sat Aug 8 21:47:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A656D3A659C; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zT+ruShFqWnQ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6633A6767; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSn5UxGhX7BK4sphQLvd6Sw24RsJjAe2n@postini.com; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:47:03 PDT Received: from p-emfe01-sac.jnpr.net (66.129.254.72) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.375.2; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:45:06 -0700 Received: from p-emlb02-sac.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.47]) by p-emfe01-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:45:06 -0700 Received: from emailsmtp55.jnpr.net ([172.24.18.132]) by p-emlb02-sac.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:45:05 -0700 Received: from magenta.juniper.net ([172.17.27.123]) by emailsmtp55.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:45:04 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id n794j3d32140; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n794XNO0049958; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 04:33:24 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <200908090433.n794XNO0049958@idle.juniper.net> To: Jeffrey Hutzelman In-Reply-To: <1692CB960C50D902E00F8E0F@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:33:23 -0400 From: Phil Shafer X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2009 04:45:04.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[29DBE980:01CA18AC] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:47:00 -0000 Jeffrey Hutzelman writes: >You do, but you can charge a nominal fee for the media. Would the media really be interested? Thanks, Phil From dhc@dcrocker.net Sun Aug 9 14:37:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142E3A681C; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ir5d7LzaLwCL; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE2B3A680B; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (adsl-68-122-68-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.68.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n79LbKEb007322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7F4189.60500@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:37:13 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Eastlake References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <1028365c0908011346j4c7b9d3ex9965333970abe2de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1028365c0908011346j4c7b9d3ex9965333970abe2de@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:37:26 -0000 Donald Eastlake wrote: > Just be sure they are labeled "Reprint". To suit our community, perhaps it should say "IETF74bis". d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From dhc@dcrocker.net Sun Aug 9 14:39:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005B23A680B; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86F7VE5qv8md; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C83A67BD; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (adsl-68-122-68-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.68.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n79Ld93u007446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:39:16 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7F41F6.3090102@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:39:02 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Lemon References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> In-Reply-To: <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:39:15 -0000 Ted Lemon wrote: > On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> That would net $ 5000. ... > One fairly obvious corollary to this is that in all likelihood the > number of people who would purchase duplicate shirts in order to > inappropriately claim that they were at IETF 74 is probably quite > small. +1 > Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream > back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that > seems like a waste of effort to me. +1 And for all other IETF event gimmes. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From randy@psg.com Sun Aug 9 16:21:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282F43A6802; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:21:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fAlROt9GSgwM; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500883A6B54; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rmac.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MaHhj-000LM5-AI; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:21:31 +0000 Received: from rmac.local.psg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmac.psg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB367292E2C7; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:21:30 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:21:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <4A7F41F6.3090102@dcrocker.net> References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> <4A7F41F6.3090102@dcrocker.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ietf@ietf.org, "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:21:31 -0000 > Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, direct the revenue stream > back to the IETF, and see what happens. Anything cleverer than that > seems like a waste of effort to me. while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the quality of the material. randy From dhc@dcrocker.net Sun Aug 9 17:03:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C4C3A6D03; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jr37QqhzeKBC; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D543A6BD2; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (adsl-68-122-68-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.68.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7A03HUf015631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7F63BE.6010602@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:03:10 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> <4A7F41F6.3090102@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ietf@ietf.org, "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:03:35 -0000 Randy Bush wrote: >> Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, ... > while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of > this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the > quality of the material. For productive IETF work, criticism of a serious, concrete proposal is usually accompanied by a superior proposal. What's yours? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From lwood@cisco.com Mon Aug 10 01:21:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40923A6912; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4FsDNSQRu7j; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C42E3A6DC7; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am4AAId1f0qQ/uCKe2dsb2JhbACaTQEBFiQGnACIK44YBYQYgVE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,352,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="46776461" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2009 08:21:14 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7A8LEe5024089; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:21:14 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7A8LEdQ007098; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:21:14 GMT Received: from lwood-wxp01.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-104-180.cisco.com [10.61.104.180]) by cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id n7A8LCD04087; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:21:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200908100821.n7A8LCD04087@cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:21:12 +0100 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Randy Bush From: Lloyd Wood In-Reply-To: <4A7F63BE.6010602@dcrocker.net> References: <4a72a204.06e2660a.47e2.4cb6@mx.google.com> <4CB52873-C1FB-443E-81C1-EF6848791F52@nominum.com> <4A7F41F6.3090102@dcrocker.net> <4A7F63BE.6010602@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=473; t=1249892474; x=1250756474; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=lwood@cisco.com; z=From:=20Lloyd=20Wood=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[75attendees]=20IETF74=20T-Shirt=20Art= 20Donated=20to=20IETF=20Trust |Sender:=20; bh=CfqTjmv2qe+D739zxLpYY3QnqzXq69QpVgGgn9E8Ljs=; b=A+8pWT+IXjMyO/VVdnzqDjYRQlbrGZbYBnFuPw3SHHP9wAxVNjiRun2rPE D0+6pg5w9AldM48cUjCy4Gtf3iy4CNsfSkS16Ca3iCNDDeFmWOkaa/s6Nywd rXtgZRJK7M; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=lwood@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: ietf@ietf.org, "74attendees@ietf.org" <74attendees@ietf.org>, "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:21:13 -0000 At Sunday 09/08/2009 17:03 -0700, Dave CROCKER wrote: >Randy Bush wrote: >>>Personally, I'd just put it up on CafePress, >... >>while i am extremely sympathetic to the economic and social aspects of >>this approach, a serious aspect of the quality of the 74 shirts was the >>quality of the material. > > >For productive IETF work, criticism of a serious, concrete proposal >is usually accompanied by a superior proposal. > >What's yours? do nothing. From jhutz@cmu.edu Sat Aug 8 21:29:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EF33A6A7C; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:29:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dlPXTqs8IGLY; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (SMTP01.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.217.196]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095693A6C7B; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n794TTFJ002107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:29:29 -0400 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Phil Shafer , Randy Bush Message-ID: <1692CB960C50D902E00F8E0F@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <12303_1249741785_n78ETiFM014250_200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> References: <12303_1249741785_n78ETiFM014250_200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.196 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:33:09 -0700 Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu, ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:29:29 -0000 --On Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:14:33 AM -0400 Phil Shafer wrote: > Randy Bush writes: >> now we know where the ipr is. and we have lengthy discussion of who, >> how, why, and black helicopters. > > Can we GPL/CCL the artwork? Or would this mean that I have > to give a t-shirt to anyone who asks where I got mine? ;^) You do, but you can charge a nominal fee for the media. From moreiras@nic.br Sat Aug 8 11:22:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C933A6BE7; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9-kv2sMPuDaY; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.br (mail.nic.br [200.160.4.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B583A6AEE; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mail.nic.br [200.160.4.5]) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CB41625833; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:22:59 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nic.br Received: from mail.nic.br ([200.160.4.5]) by localhost (mail.nic.br [200.160.4.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1hI4BORorBq; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:22:59 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [200.160.1.74] (atenas.ceptro.br [200.160.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EC8A1625832; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:22:59 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4A7DC282.3040608@nic.br> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:22:58 -0300 From: "Antonio M. Moreiras" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Shafer References: <200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <200908081414.n78EEXF5046514@idle.juniper.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:33:15 -0700 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:22:59 -0000 That is a great idea! Moreiras. Phil Shafer escreveu: > Can we GPL/CCL the artwork? Or would this mean that I have > to give a t-shirt to anyone who asks where I got mine? ;^) > > Thanks, > Phil (who had nothing to do with the shirt, but also thinks it's cool) > From tony@att.com Mon Aug 17 06:19:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F453A6F0C for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:19:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.245, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eAdt7ap-SRqP for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFC328C0D8 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1250515165!24360863!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.1.3; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.112.25] Received: (qmail 7920 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2009 13:19:26 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp3.sbc.com (HELO tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com) (144.160.112.25) by server-12.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Aug 2009 13:19:26 -0000 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7HDJPQo009521 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:19:25 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7HDJKb7009377 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:19:20 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7HDJJNk010271 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:19:20 -0400 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7HDJFin010150 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:19:15 -0400 Received: from [135.70.9.151] (vpn-135-70-9-151.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.9.151]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20090817131914gw1003ib60e> (Authid: tony); Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:19:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.9.151] Message-ID: <4A8958D1.7070604@att.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:19:13 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [75attendees] History Channel show on Vasa X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:19:55 -0000 My TiVo happened to catch an episode last Saturday of Mega Movers on the History International channel entitled "Extreme Ocean Salvage". It discusses the salvage of 3 different sunken ships, one of which is the Vasa; the other two ships are the Normandie and the Mary Rose. The show dates back to 2007. Tony Hansen tony@att.com From olaf@NLnetLabs.nl Mon Aug 17 10:01:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: 75attendees@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9DF28C19C for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b5qrfoNCLP5b for <75attendees@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A03828C168 for <75attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:21b:63ff:fec4:a963] ([IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:21b:63ff:fec4:a963]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7HH1RhX005936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:01:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1074) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Olaf Kolkman In-Reply-To: <4A8958D1.7070604@att.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:01:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4A8958D1.7070604@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1074) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]); Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "75attendees@ietf.org" <75attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [75attendees] History Channel show on Vasa X-BeenThere: 75attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <75attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:01:29 -0000 On 17 aug 2009, at 15:19, Tony Hansen wrote: > My TiVo happened to catch an episode last Saturday of Mega Movers on > the History International channel entitled "Extreme Ocean Salvage". > It discusses the salvage of 3 different sunken ships, one of which > is the Vasa; the other two ships are the Normandie and the Mary > Rose. The show dates back to 2007. > Related (and completely off-topic for an IETF list :-) ) A recent discovery in the archipelago (like about a month ago) is a 40 meter 17th century ship. Fairly intact, and probably of Dutch origin. The ship is a "fluit" (flute), a common type of ship used for baltic sea trade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX4OnYldBfw --Olaf