From ole@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 06:20:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA18211E81A8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gDAXvyD1jzZF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B63411E87AE for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:20:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=677; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343827221; x=1345036821; h=date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id:mime-version; bh=QfP7Q0FsmgDD/qlCN9JGGwK0mWddqd6rHw+06Li6eAM=; b=M9lgVul6btYr8VjtsE8vIq+mNBIQBAUNdY7PMtVlU5ZFF3RV7meosN6W vId8RyRCthkoZ1DOXT3pBWGuDFAmvcXN2LyIs83UMJQDiFVuuXVcdA7Bl XNZ4IOAnWhh8AGc+rZYDj2HC+AhN9Y5MBGgz5Gxk+4AyqlUIJS0bMEgMf Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAB0sGVCrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABCA4U0s12BB4I5AQIlLIFkIodqDJsNgSiDSBCBTpsri2ODTgWDHAOITZJVhTKDGoEEYoJ/gT8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,694,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51190459" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 13:20:19 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71DKJqV027495 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:19 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:20:39 -0000 This is according to United Airlines: Vancouver - Richmond, British Columbia Canada Vancouver International Airport (YVR) International Terminal US Dept Level Vancouver - Richmond, British Columbia V7B1X1 4:40 a.m. - 6:40 a.m. Daily I am not sure how to read that last time, but since I have a 6 a.m. flight on Saturday, I am going to assume they will be open before 5. https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/Contact/ato/results.aspx?Region=2 Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo From bob.hinden@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 06:42:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3090421F8D2C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJ3QzwYLi3rZ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BDD21F8D2A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eekb45 with SMTP id b45so1968098eek.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:42:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nn3jOwkbFfE4bYs4390gC9VG+Ewxdpltr0d/b0RYNxo=; b=BhNrmqwMcr4CXACiFfKvPUA03vFTY85J8RvFXntdmmQ7lrSxY30CUUKZSEWkmNrUlD PNxo4KgXs/tTOcpPh8xxv5rIS14t1E/um05SMOHecKx87ZOjsvp2/k40TXJu4uPmHCKP 6Bf8xSU3wCssTgUpu7kgqq6eskpAhFjtKg7N6xN+30abR8MMm/oq65KWIqNMLz3PHYw7 oyPUGnXbij4ejd5uoN/4D4EynZIkALZ5hxeeDU041l6VBe0j6SyzDXPEZue0IiqshQec EFb7NiQFxOb5cYGtA14S6iR4oT9dEJP9i6TC+7tkItj/yOrvo0VMzQOP9RFjA84KvWOj VBlg== Received: by 10.14.177.135 with SMTP id d7mr22529333eem.42.1343828555465; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-476f.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-476f.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.71.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g42sm9003563eem.14.2012.08.01.06.42.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1280) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:42:31 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1280) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Bob Hinden Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:42:37 -0000 Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights to the = US. Otherwise=85. Bob On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > This is according to United Airlines: >=20 > Vancouver - Richmond, British Columbia Canada >=20 > Vancouver International Airport (YVR) > International Terminal > US Dept Level > Vancouver - Richmond, British Columbia V7B1X1 > 4:40 a.m. - 6:40 a.m. Daily >=20 > I am not sure how to read that last time, but since I have a 6 a.m.=20 > flight on Saturday, I am going to assume they will be open before > 5. >=20 > = https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/Contact/ato/results.aspx?Region=3D= 2 >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 06:50:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724E821F866C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6nlxS4cK2pFk for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C1221F8D47 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so7894842ggn.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:50:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=J2HFiOLxVbol8kcXrBowrZi3u1x1lpwkYPe8ivEQycQ=; b=nc+HtPk24q5sbJmuPqiPr+eWsV5HxipfLn2lDTrCXct9wlLK2eAWt1jhHz9NA+K0dJ +VWfdp0q/vPzDKA+vDYLr//AvA9Y9SjsTGp275CvF8MPO4RGs5y2IWDqJNwMdLOaLF0u zPQ7/0XkFRqQmQeZODq6KQE1fTstAlxZXoXG+FHaIapcCQxM5i8k26YIWYy036EG6X+c ccNkWUC3Knn02fZ5EvYBmdekJnK0ko4j46bTnrV0qbRvIpkjPwxsdzn5lpdp4Id+RSPe RO6R04WN6vspOuQPQ/MbwCvylz6cDyrL0hqzE7M6E5MqnHy29EOHXsJwihnGr60uKV9Q CBEA== Received: by 10.68.218.103 with SMTP id pf7mr52806963pbc.67.1343829009893; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:50:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.48.231 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:49:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Scott Brim Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:49:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Ole Jacobsen , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:50:27 -0000 >> since I have a 6 a.m. flight on Saturday I'm flying to ORD at 6:15am. I suggest that people use the departure coordination page (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/84departures) for taxi sharing. From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Aug 1 08:12:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAF011E80EE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.448, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xJbR4w4S7m+N for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E68A11E80AD for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q71FBkok000680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:12:20 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.44]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:12:02 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: John R Levine , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:11:59 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] car ride to Burlington, WA on Friday afternoon ? Thread-Index: Ac1vhJ5aBEEyztb9Ru6oy+FSK1QCNwAcu4vg Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [84attendees] car ride to Burlington, WA on Friday afternoon ? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:12:30 -0000 Just a note on the float planes. Great ride, used them last time I was here (to Nanaimo rather than Victoria= ). Obviously they don't fly in reduced visibility - no instruments. Also if you are encumbered with excessive baggage, they usually get it to y= ou, but it may well be on a later flight that day - depends on the number o= f other passengers.=20 Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of John R Levine > Sent: 01 August 2012 02:26 > To: 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] car ride to Burlington, WA on Friday > afternoon ? >=20 > >> I'm contemplating spending the week-end in the San Juan Islands. >=20 > > Could this bus service work for you: http://www.quickcoach.com/ >=20 > It doesn't stop in Burlington, probably not. >=20 > Plan B: the San Juan Island ferries go to Vancouver Island, where Victori= a > is. > You can get to Victoria via the little float planes in Coal Harbour, or > the > Pacific Coach bus which goes from to Tsawwassen and takes the to Victoria= . > In > Victoria you can take the #72 local bus to Sidney, where the ferry to > Anacortes > leaves. >=20 > Bus to Victoria: > http://www.pacificcoach.com/Bus-Coach-Travel/Crosswater/Vancouver-to- > Victoria >=20 > Local bus in Victoria/Sidney: > http://bctransit.com/regions/vic/schedules/map.cfm?line=3D72 >=20 > WA state ferry from Sidney to Anacortes: > http://www.wsdot.com/Ferries/Schedule/ScheduleDetailByRoute.aspx?route=3D= ana > -sid >=20 > This is probably too much for anyone who isn't a transit weenie, but the > IETF > sure has its share of us transit weenies. >=20 > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From johnl@taugh.com Wed Aug 1 08:24:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE94221F88FB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEF1BepOolP5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AF721F88F0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 47272 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 15:23:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=b8a7.501949fe.k1208; bh=bLFKgQICp7+xzDDkDssHK7or+hyCjOJb4zfxeRjaOMs=; b=ezRyYZG+W4RJ5WMI3DKQq7UYv+g/pXt7121PIcvA+rCcwtYnDRwFZ8b5D3xSUtMm9gnObqon5PpA/zBrSxU5OQGpE/8V07ZzajaMnuN28EF6mTXEg8waCOTt/mUIAW++7akJkYBWny561IXmpNqnSsp5BueMd5KPC2oj996X3K4= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=b8a7.501949fe.k1208; bh=bLFKgQICp7+xzDDkDssHK7or+hyCjOJb4zfxeRjaOMs=; b=VOnDzikvXS2P7HN90iHjFiHwnoMOAFvkvSk6W0Y6Dcb2zGpZNNUHt6BoJc+bLnFBy1FxLhPg7hqSS9pyJC5cRm+c4GvLPQ2Zx02q/eFf/TmDDc/jI9s/AvBoKqopJMx9WuxCFXQO8X9czu+P+opjcYFusYjao9ybNNfdd7EKM88= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 1 Aug 2012 15:23:19 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2012 08:23:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Bob Hinden" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3825401791-751796716-1343834622=:27960" Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:24:14 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-751796716-1343834622=:27960 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights to the U= S. Otherwise=E2=80=A6. If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head=20 straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:52:27 -0000 R2l2ZW4gdGhlIGFtYXppbmcgYWJpbGl0eSBvZiBvdXIgTk9DIHRlYW0gYXQgY29tcGxldGVseSBy ZWVuZ2luZWVyaW5nIHRoZSB3aXJlbGVzcyBuZXR3b3JrIGluIHRoZSBob3RlbCBpbiBQYXJpcywg SSB3b25kZXIgaWYgd2UgY291bGQgZ2V0IHRoZW0gdG8gaGFjayB0aGUgSHlhdHQgZWxldmF0b3Ig c3lzdGVtPyBXZSB3YWl0ZWQgYWJvdXQgMTAgbWludXRlcyB0byBnZXQgdGhlIGFzc2lnbmVkIGVs ZXZhdG9yIGxhc3QgbmlnaHQuIEl0IHdhcyBvdmVyY3Jvd2RlZCwgYW5kIHRyaWVkIHRvIHBpY2sg dXAgbW9yZSBwYXNzZW5nZXJzIG9uIHRoZSB3YXkgdXAuCgpJJ20gZ3Vlc3NpbmcgdGhleSBiZWxp ZXZlZCBzb21lIGh5cGUgYWJvdXQgZWZmaWNpZW5jeSwgYW5kIGRpZG4ndCBpbnN0YWxsIGVub3Vn aCBjYXBhY2l0eS4gIEFzIHdlIGFsbCBrbm93LCBtb3JlIGR1bWIgYmFuZHdpZHRoIGFsd2F5cyBi ZWF0cyBhdHRlbXB0cyB0byBtYWtlIHNtYXJ0ZXIsIHNtYWxsZXIgcGlwZXMuICBUaGV5IGFwcGFy ZW50bHkgZG9uJ3Qga25vdyB0aGF0IGluIGVsZXZhdG9yIGRlc2lnbi4KCg== From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Aug 1 08:56:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2319C21F8835 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Pelletier Ray In-Reply-To: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:56:27 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> To: "Rosen, Brian" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:56:32 -0000 +1 Could we get an App for that? On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: > Given the amazing ability of our NOC team at completely reengineering = the wireless network in the hotel in Paris, I wonder if we could get = them to hack the Hyatt elevator system? We waited about 10 minutes to = get the assigned elevator last night. It was overcrowded, and tried to = pick up more passengers on the way up. >=20 > I'm guessing they believed some hype about efficiency, and didn't = install enough capacity. As we all know, more dumb bandwidth always = beats attempts to make smarter, smaller pipes. They apparently don't = know that in elevator design. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From joelja@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 08:59:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD4E21F884D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hiuSwfcffAoE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4A021F884B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so8062714yhq.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ECdC+QyhabG/Cp7WIAYfw8eCT5V+LyMUmzsYwVO5wdI=; b=aYBUedm6acfSmJlc6FNBQnDZA25XenT4U+PTcIfD38KlA3L+eTX/CB7hxjDCeTfGfo asRibUQujgQ6JO9RSrWsdr5X9ePjceexRf/pxHOi6mk7HMn/7O5ys72uagaaJ1Tpy807 j61slCK6VptF6IYji2r9NmdSGvINYSoPxhMuZAXCRyJqL10A2KdWobQUaOJyL+ncTpWs +1YJeAZvv3iOgWWfb7embVoigs/Ls+6TW2tT1M9QWEUSlDWc099fZxqwe0LSy9tucN3X VS0OFO5bNOJc4wxMHPA3M8+rycuiFm26b2n2dIoZRzUoE5CgfyFTDGLShHbGcuxD/4my 1QWw== Received: by 10.50.47.168 with SMTP id e8mr5814248ign.3.1343836744892; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-6624.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:df8:0:96:c36:3eab:92e7:1f95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm12635633igq.12.2012.08.01.08.59.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50195245.1000908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:59:01 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pelletier Ray References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Rosen, Brian" , '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:59:07 -0000 > On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: > >> I'm guessing they believed some hype about efficiency, and didn't >> install enough capacity. As we all know, more dumb bandwidth >> always beats attempts to make smarter, smaller pipes. They >> apparently don't know that in elevator design. I don't think you'll like the consequences of managing the queue depth through random discard. From gettysjim@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:05:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FD111E8087 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SFVw1VR1qrqp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12A611E80AD for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbjt11 with SMTP id jt11so1337453pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2FA9F/eIjvopoUvi6aeevcbjdbWF5CCPuGJ1Y0ww5BU=; b=0t8Ioow7osk+zYubO/RDA95LPksx4T49b0uRjAzjiCroWe+mAQyPnWKialELsm9cC1 Gtc0nnYPbeQlQaWVZHX4zoZ5sFXhGJch0/hpE902vk4+v1zunvQsNXQv1qarQSzzNYsi qsdIFlR3ZxYhxt4149gR60AGL/hZGkPafXjrCRdi6P+WxYndWoMsi1Qrj3/ipIkMKC0V JpCl82S4rR2JL7SDk13EQX9i/eaLahOssGlFxGvpWPOpY1nnKNPyO0TBzJa8y2QfqcLU XQ7H3QYYK0gbXfg5TddtSH/q3S5AItlpsP2Y5UDxw1ujFn5kaljYRgJZZKamp9qYsvHT 2XgA== Received: by 10.68.130.9 with SMTP id oa9mr52844114pbb.95.1343837121442; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.20.112] ([64.114.255.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ot4sm2833913pbb.65.2012.08.01.09.05.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <501953BF.2000806@freedesktop.org> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:05:19 -0700 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joel jaeggli References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> <50195245.1000908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50195245.1000908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pelletier Ray , '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Rosen, Brian" Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:05:30 -0000 On 08/01/2012 08:59 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: >> >>> I'm guessing they believed some hype about efficiency, and didn't >>> install enough capacity. As we all know, more dumb bandwidth >>> always beats attempts to make smarter, smaller pipes. They >>> apparently don't know that in elevator design. > > I don't think you'll like the consequences of managing the queue depth > through random discard. We might coddle you with ECN marking. Happy? - Jim From jhaas@juniper.net Wed Aug 1 09:07:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3811E8091 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caontuG2mwoM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE8921F88F9 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUBlUTOKcsZFQamleAJFcgTrAoCfgC54f@postini.com; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:07:50 PDT Received: from jhaas-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (172.23.0.127) by smtp.juniper.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:07:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: <501953BF.2000806@freedesktop.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:07:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> <50195245.1000908@gmail.com> <501953BF.2000806@freedesktop.org> To: Jim Gettys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Pelletier Ray , joel jaeggli , '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Rosen, Brian" Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:07:52 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > On 08/01/2012 08:59 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: >>=20 >>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I'm guessing they believed some hype about efficiency, and didn't >>>> install enough capacity. As we all know, more dumb bandwidth >>>> always beats attempts to make smarter, smaller pipes. They >>>> apparently don't know that in elevator design. >>=20 >> I don't think you'll like the consequences of managing the queue = depth >> through random discard. >=20 > We might coddle you with ECN marking. I had noted in the elevator yesterday that we're lucky we don't use IP = methodologies in the face of congestion. The analog of "dropped = packets" would be ... unpleasant. From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:09:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4249811E8119 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gkchj8iUsO6C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D2C11E8118 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbjt11 with SMTP id jt11so1342476pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Pelletier Ray , joel jaeggli , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Rosen, Brian" Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:09:19 -0000 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > We might coddle you with ECN marking. codel From weiler+ietf@watson.org Wed Aug 1 09:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E3411E8118 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMOjGBlC1DRx for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:10:32 -0000 For amusement, imagine that you're blind and attempt to use the accessibility interface. -- Sam From gettysjim@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:12:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1A111E812A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SGY6RISZtjc6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.20.112] ([64.114.255.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qo7sm2864210pbc.12.2012.08.01.09.12.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <5019557F.1090405@freedesktop.org> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:12:47 -0700 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Brim References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <6901D5D1-C6BE-405C-BA4F-CC1B244D2D2C@isoc.org> <50195245.1000908@gmail.com> <501953BF.2000806@freedesktop.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pelletier Ray , joel jaeggli , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Rosen, Brian" Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:12:49 -0000 On 08/01/2012 09:08 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: >> We might coddle you with ECN marking. > codel We pronounce CoDel "coddle" deliberately, both because it's easier to say, but also because it is trying to overcome the bias against packet drop as an evil thing. Telling people you are coddling their packet has a warm and fuzzy implication.... - Jim From jgs@juniper.net Wed Aug 1 09:17:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371F11E8156 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7WY5VOTvXbM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og127.obsmtp.com (exprod7og127.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.210]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECC211E815C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob127.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUBlWh8xCw6Iz452gWBAbzK5Po9JwElRE@postini.com; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:17:13 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:46 -0700 Received: from jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net [172.23.2.14]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id q71GEkh83142; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgs@juniper.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:14:45 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> To: Samuel Weiler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:17:14 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote: > For amusement, imagine that you're blind and attempt to use the > accessibility interface. Did. 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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jim Gettys <jg= @freedesktop.org> wrote:
=A0Telling people you are coddling their packet has
a warm and fuzzy implication....

Not to= cooks; there it has a (very!) warm implication, but not so fuzzy:


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--f46d04428e424d671904c636b0a0-- From carlos@lacnic.net Wed Aug 1 09:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC5611E812A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rvzs0KBFxs2S for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7173F11E8097 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-57ef.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-57ef.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.239]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002C6308444; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:27:43 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:27:41 -0700 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John G. Scudder" References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: carlos@lacnic.net Cc: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org>, Samuel Weiler Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:27:48 -0000 Didn't we have a similiar issue in Prague ? The mention of blind people struggling to get around brought back some rather hazy memories. ~C. On 2012-08-01 9:14 AM, John G. Scudder wrote: > On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote: > >> For amusement, imagine that you're blind and attempt to use the >> accessibility interface. > Did. Regretted. > > --John > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From joelja@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:31:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C3E21F8817 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WILA3NKy9sa for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C282421F8814 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so8104210yhq.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eIRIiKJjfZCerBiwwKguKTNb9pzji3wAcTm5xJFeMo0=; b=OLZMMxhDEjhzdzzI1MCUApuJ46Cv7PwfR+tOGOZ/t+4tvLWZEh/A6ISQkM4zAk+81m wF9f+nJbqQZvEkJPkbtRJlopzsfsh+f7wrEffRY0eaMcGYg52GsXXMPKJM3fAtjBuAzw gFHFWx/suXNNRRPBzE0w/WEwlIC741cicW2d2hZHQPbHT8f2uC0dpbByar8yGAp6SFTQ plWCW/pC7OYQqUJivkjrDmidHYROKTLY1DbCwEXwCZedawsTEuUgATd4VFw3OW3QruYf pZFrbIOK5dn+PKYrNp/EjqmwiYD9qq3qvoczZGIM9QKaP179Qhitem8vLyBJEoa1D0bk 7woQ== Received: by 10.50.217.163 with SMTP id oz3mr6161964igc.5.1343838677162; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-6624.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:df8:0:96:c36:3eab:92e7:1f95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm12708620igq.12.2012.08.01.09.31.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <501959D3.1080006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:31:15 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [84attendees] ISOC photographer... X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:31:18 -0000 Not that I mind photos but listening to the Nikon Clack away during a meeting where people are talking is both annoying and unecessary. lock your mirror up or deploy a more appropiate camera. joel From kehong@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 09:34:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308A21F881C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:34:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fN6NFgMwUhbA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <48A2A3129147F14C88684D31B4FD6416@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:34:45 -0000 http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ From wood@isoc.org Wed Aug 1 09:42:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3662611E81A7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DH8tewS5-9GB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:42:27 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:31 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > Not that I mind photos but listening to the Nikon Clack away during a = meeting where people are talking is both annoying and unecessary. >=20 > lock your mirror up or deploy a more appropriate camera. Hi Joel, Thanks for the feedback. I'll work with Richard to find a better = balance. Regards, -Greg -- Greg Wood Internet Society InternetSociety.org office: +1-703-439-2145 mobile: +1-703-625-3917 From rcitterio@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:46:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D7211E8097 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WZogY3FO6-wf for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4E111E81C8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qadz3 with SMTP id z3so2687582qad.10 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=UCTLq3moFpP0o6n+dsR7VVifYU8+SQsEcqGZ+aU1TOY=; b=d++dgo44LGK1CRK+72jdZvQbKLf790qj3eL61U7N5fquutQDZBGOSNcAi6o/YDhQDy RJgDDyM7Fb+vglTlnhBcWqY4PyLDE/5f7NbKp8/4ToMo/niY9XzJ5fKRalIEUwtcL4iF U2IcJon6XyOshCjm+JI6Y58CYUEtO9mV1DjVXWeRkz9UI9PfhvQLtv+yb7TPQcWXvx1o aIlZRKdwZeVzWeaINq9479kjfbXPgsBAwBoz3FSAQaYRFXlIr1qDBT7OPkmqY55kS7rg acuik2ov2tcYTmd2BgC2gCJDZjyCiSNHATWY4HqCs3c1G5dK6VP6GKEzNpfqYTKsVozp ZJqg== Received: by 10.60.25.226 with SMTP id f2mr29821607oeg.13.1343839559765; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.113.170 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:45:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Raitme Citterio Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: To: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb201e2984e0204c6370790 Subject: [84attendees] motorola phone lost in the men's room at the regency level X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:46:01 -0000 --e89a8fb201e2984e0204c6370790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 motorola phone lost in the men's room at the regency level I found this phone, please look for the owner I am now regency c. 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--e89a8fb201e2984e0204c6370790-- From zoltan.lajos.kis@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 09:48:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF2E11E81A2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ADVANCE_FEE_2=1.234, AWL=0.633, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z8dpkhRp+c1v for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06A811E8155 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7f236d000005cde-9f-50195df7a513 Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 92.93.23774.7FD59105; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.109]) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.84]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:48:55 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_Lajos_Kis?= To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:48:54 +0200 Thread-Topic: Coins, coins, coins Thread-Index: AQHNcAWJtuVIksahJUmHWW7D+SsNOQ== Message-ID: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA75@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6PWMkAg/fHOC3m3L/A4sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujNOXdzIWTGGpePatgamB8RxzFyMnh4SAicTWBWtZIGwxiQv3 1rN1MXJxCAmcYpRYv3QfI4SzgFFiybYlTCBVbAKeEt//LWIEsUUEDCUmTzsPZrMIqEhMP3gf aBIHh7CAjETzw2CIEkWJVU9+gIVFBPQktm0rAAnzCoRLrJu1kQ3EZgTa+/3UGrDpzALiEree zGeCuEdAYsme81B3ikq8fPyPFaJeVOJO+3pGiHo9iRtTp7BB2NoSyxa+ZoaYLyhxcuYTlgmM wrOQjJ2FpGUWkpZZSFoWMLKsYhTOTczMSS830kstykwuLs7P0ytO3cQIDO6DW36r7mC8c07k EKM0B4uSOK/11j3+QgLpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOanFhxiZODilGhiNPZtcl+q0eq8865m8/oXE ht2hadM3iwS8ZdR6svnV1ptJjHErp2qmNS6uDXD9yzP/Hn+oxOUb/14FKJ3emlWx+67H67M8 wbz2WdcrxIU8d3/gabJ1Whlo17bs1KmnR17UTmd47LfV/NrUsNLW05su/co0Muc4qMtz/bBq eeuDRSvPXVM+P6lbiaU4I9FQi7moOBEAkYYKoTwCAAA= Subject: [84attendees] Coins, coins, coins X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:48:58 -0000 If you were lucky to get some commemorative or recent coins in your change,= but not collecting them, please drop me a private mail if willing to exchange them for regular ones = (of the same face value :o). Thanks, Zoltan References: http://www.coin-database.com/series/canada-commemorative-loonies-1-dollar.h= tml http://www.coin-database.com/series/canada-commemorative-toonie-2-dollars.h= tml http://lunaticg.blogspot.com/2012/04/new-canada-coin-2012.html http://members.shaw.ca/kcic1/coins4.html (pp. 4-8)= From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Wed Aug 1 09:51:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E013911E8174 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blpHO+bt5puz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0278211E816B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:34aa:41c2:abef:4aa7]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33AC1425E0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50195E88.9000806@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:51:20 -0700 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA75@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA75@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] Coins, coins, coins X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:51:25 -0000 Le 2012-08-01 09:48, Zoltán Lajos Kis a écrit : > If you were lucky to get some commemorative or recent coins in your change, but not collecting them, > please drop me a private mail if willing to exchange them for regular ones (of the same face value :o). There are so many commemorative coins, you're lucky if you find a regular one. Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From cblecker@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 09:52:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEB811E816B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXOiVOqdl0NJ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6075111E8151 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so14232945obb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NFsdp0i9l7uvRvNGxERe4D1FK6CuKIe9PzPvExYTn5M=; b=uiAbU7C2hE+no2nti2z5IEb7Ys8Ba5s4YLsyywz3aQ8aXAFyZhnkR1di6/B3tsi5Le OcKPeCk0o40D0mekIxS6SrbwywGW/pRTEE/KbwE5iX9Ns9ka0QNOnMtgP+K4NhZ0zfx1 ZQNIJwsdgj2mIWwt5kHGbP+AjITFm8S0NfuscrG20q44b9COvClMhPSh846LBDgEIapr FPuiled+HfO1w8SR0g1huQDWN59Nz4wYJkrd4AhjgR+RN3PyIn6pK4R0So2nbrGl792m Z5yuKvnu4k1QP9nCta9JnsUxqTzrQKKZMXLkGk4Eonp/BCZH1cTdW267DSQ6FD2U5gYe 3gvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.40 with SMTP id yn8mr29971673obb.40.1343839944987; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: cblecker@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.21.208 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:52:24 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HvBNpfa3RMNZFLJES9aeCxeJyG4 Message-ID: From: Christoph Blecker To: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:55:08 -0000 It's worth noting that it was estimated 400,000 people were in Downtown Vancouver last Saturday for it, so make sure to allow extra time getting anywhere later on today. Cheers, Christoph On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: > http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From rhe@nosc.ja.net Wed Aug 1 10:02:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A46B11E8142 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AqWmHgiMlxhJ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nosc.ja.net (nosc.ja.net [IPv6:2001:630:0:40::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D32C11E8087 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpn-14.ja.net ([128.86.24.14]) by nosc.ja.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwcJ9-0006Zw-71; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:02:03 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Rob Evans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:02:01 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> To: Christoph Blecker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "Kenny Hong \(kehong\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:02:06 -0000 > It's worth noting that it was estimated 400,000 people were in > Downtown Vancouver last Saturday for it, so make sure to allow extra > time getting anywhere later on today. If you do go to the fireworks this evening, don't expect to get anywhere = in a hurry afterwards... After the fireworks on Saturday, most of those = 400,000 people fed out through Denman and Davie Streets, which were = packed denser than a Hyatt elevator at 8:59am. Regards, Rob From mcr@sandelman.ca Wed Aug 1 10:08:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA8711E816B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.783 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.783 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.816, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NhEaIM0th2zY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29D611E8117 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:3a60:77ff:fe38:e647]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E842016A; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Rosen, Brian" In-Reply-To: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.5; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Cc: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:08:07 -0000 >>>>> "Rosen," == Rosen, Brian writes: Rosen> Given the amazing ability of our NOC team at completely Rosen> reengineering the wireless network in the hotel in Paris, I Rosen> wonder if we could get them to hack the Hyatt elevator Rosen> system? We waited about 10 minutes to get the assigned Rosen> elevator last night. It was overcrowded, and tried to pick Rosen> up more passengers on the way up. having experienced it only during the newcoming session on Sunday, it seemed a fail... it had no way to gauge demand. someone did a simulation using stochastic arrival times, and failed to think about what happens in a *conference* hotel when a session is out. -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video then sign the petition. From achatz@forthnetgroup.gr Wed Aug 1 10:11:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D567311E81F6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PmttAsCYulQ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr (mx-out.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.107]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B3211E81E0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-av-05.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-03.forthnet.gr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q71HBrLo017405 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:11:53 +0300 Received: from MX-IN-11.forthnet.gr (mx-in-11.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.31]) by mx-av-05.forthnet.gr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q71HBrGa011487 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:11:53 +0300 Received: from [130.129.20.221] (dhcp-14dd.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by MX-IN-11.forthnet.gr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q71HBnP8032736; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:11:52 +0300 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-11.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=achatz@forthnetgroup.gr; auth=pass (PLAIN) Message-ID: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:12:00 -0700 From: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'84attendees'" <84attendees@ietf.org> References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:11:56 -0000 Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the platform? I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have too many options to choose. Tassos On 1/8/2012 9:34 πμ, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: > http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From alexander.mayrhofer@nic.at Wed Aug 1 10:17:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B511511E8288 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.686 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.745, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BAYd+MI9GFbQ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (mail.sbg.nic.at [83.136.33.227]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE61411E829A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; 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bh=NZx4vBhfIbzKusiSho5Wv+TbeS31vBJfy5ke/Dk0MCw=; b=GK1KOCyez1hraeInBk0bWAxoUmNjZBk1h7v4sOgsIW43HPUgpBLGIXbrRaZVyLnOsp kNIYNHSzIxCmJtQ4whdb2kPaOjiQdzQivr2k+nxCugXeuEn1v9ZgZTeWnLF2ABm6EsRT /DKPZZEHnC9wR6SxG8sZoPVpRfifLa/TmcF3VcIeJGUBYq9Nq1msDs6NVaue5DqnAw4f pKEvi/LAPginZOpi082d2ESKbQscpKMRHyDtuQPoH86M7QpeAtqZmgmqWvCXIgJ7n0YY NCRfIfK0gv2ov0vgjFuqGhL4fjCalTSMPzWh8WCoxSGPaedT/hYgZRY/TWfW+tAh1XMl M4FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.151.197 with SMTP id us5mr6528567veb.14.1343841801789; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.113.162 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:df8:0:16:18b9:cda4:7b8a:90fb] In-Reply-To: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tim Bray To: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQna63Sb03IB4QI2pBrq5Qe8LXQxl+vqbxOKF0DEUY41izEsSG2H9NEI71gaQc3c53rZNkAT Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:23:23 -0000 You don=A2t have to be that close to really enjoy them. They=A2re big. -T On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the > platform? > I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have to= o > many options to choose. > > Tassos > > On 1/8/2012 9:34 =F0=EC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >> >> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ben@nostrum.com Wed Aug 1 10:28:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1124A11E83DF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G--qsBxCd9zK for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1750A11E83D8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-625b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.98.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71HSSxP067095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:28:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:28:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> To: Tim Bray X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 130.129.98.91 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:28:35 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > You don=E2=80=99t have to be that close to really enjoy them. = They=E2=80=99re big. -T >=20 Any thoughts on non-close spots with a good view?=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > wrote: >> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the >> platform? >> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you = have too >> many options to choose. >>=20 >> Tassos >>=20 >> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =CF=80=CE=BC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>>=20 >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From phil.hunt@oracle.com Wed Aug 1 10:33:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07FF11E812E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JkkCEE4wB+2B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D977E11E812A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q71HXDAu005073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:33:14 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q71HXCIN009274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:33:13 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q71HXC4e018034; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:33:12 -0500 Received: from [130.129.20.55] (/130.129.20.55) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:33:12 -0700 References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Phil Hunt Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:33:11 -0700 To: Tim Bray X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:33:19 -0000 You can also go to the marine museum beach area in kitsilano (far side of Bu= rrard bridge). No idea on how crowded.=20 Phil On 2012-08-01, at 10:23, Tim Bray wrote: > You don=E2=80=99t have to be that close to really enjoy them. They=E2=80=99= re big. -T >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > wrote: >> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the >> platform? >> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have to= o >> many options to choose. >>=20 >> Tassos >>=20 >> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =CF=80=CE=BC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>>=20 >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From salo@saloits.com Wed Aug 1 10:35:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB1721F88D2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZM8NsS811lEQ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.saloits.com (saloits.com [208.42.140.127]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AB721F88D0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.32.98] (dhcp-2062.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.32.98]) by server.saloits.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71HZGHi001059; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:35:11 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Salo" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'84attendees'" <84attendees@ietf.org> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:20 -0000 Apparently, the use of stairs is deprecated at the Hyatt. I tried to use the stairs to get from the fourth floor to the third. I ended up having to walk down to the plaza level in search of an unlocked door, only to find an exit door that claimed to be alarmed. I ended up climbing back up to the fourth floor, but via a different set of stairs. -tjs From jyee@afilias.info Wed Aug 1 10:35:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079DC11E8269 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.864 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.864 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.886, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZwWrHR6CGmuo for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (unknown [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B1111E825D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwcpD-0008R4-3S for 84attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SwcpC-0005ap-6C for 84attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:11 +0000 Received: by pbcwz7 with SMTP id wz7so1407838pbc.2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=CFtDYUKARntvAVCUsN2gigaoNRizPNB4z8VVR8geCmk=; b=M9v2hwPv4ii5XtXp4OrhxeEJLtvR3BNCS5JShcZvKmNvFcyfvnqk648N/yXclzVY0U yDTAYI3Sgehpy+PJVUj3O/33XhPlpxyWXVEiSMH5oX6vqiLMyOCN0BmrJOeazLCVCqmo Q5Wa+009THe8U0cAN/Qo94YypmGfd3jFRO3Pew+PorVB/KnfJik299EIguCXT8EgEoF5 xo6UL47/u5vrcAbbxAAtnmCmEpHghV9HAiIh0LJTLLzlyNGxeM6MC7fnO7mYk+rCrp8C ZI+1jPO33CekdDtK8EyEHazYaZj0F6BJYWkqcUtTZDBLEWnOtvMRl2OmchHt8dGEzJaM yBkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.231.132 with SMTP id tg4mr54300393pbc.159.1343842505350; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.105 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: Tim Bray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnM+1OWIKvKzfOqcCH+peQcTBqU+x1hLd5G5u494st9KvlEeNIYYl4vsss0iNEbol+mrQMW Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:55 -0000 I got this suggestion from local... The festival area (the beach area of the shore fest and beach area around Burrard bridge) is where people drink and party hard. Area to avoid if that's not your preference. The beach area north west of the firework platform is also good to see the firework and more family friendly. Joseph On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > You don=E2=80=99t have to be that close to really enjoy them. They=E2=80= =99re big. -T > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > wrote: >> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the >> platform? >> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have t= oo >> many options to choose. >> >> Tassos >> >> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =CF=80=CE=BC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>> >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From jinchoe@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 10:36:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AE711E825D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDWx7K5noedW for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BE311E8282 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so14284235obb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:36:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J9Z+4HDKmZ/4OPFnQZS9nWnB7Er9QIfxYz8dnIfwc+4=; b=TBOFhzMWB8OkYcJZhKlOAoHJYhTlAsYDcjY+0SEnknuhihEqEgIvuvGeARsDkBCGfd +8D63XL1Yjcz862k4yDSMaJZdEiQx3CkQvoSzBqr5czL4OmKtoRZXVXY4Jk+/dKoph/A /NK7B7WA9+r6CmB1WujKiaRGtQaFjSjMjgD9B2oJqttwhXfGWcm8w7grN6O+JS2v99p2 s+40EQHxTrYQQ+mX6CpZep8shmS2nczhYIrf/3QEbHrv8Qo5UxgBQHD6HcA4sF5638vn JwJY/Y09A1Yn3EgAbXUbRk8RQZ6kcVFrUD0FCRHSbj7OHWZsibOyif2ZtAhTz6oljL3T e82Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.50.98 with SMTP id b2mr30413972obo.28.1343842613888; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.48.197 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:36:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:36:53 +0900 Message-ID: From: JinHyeock Choi To: Ben Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, Tim Bray Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:37:00 -0000 > Any thoughts on non-close spots with a good view? Maybe on the Burrard bridge? Some people on it last SAT. JinHyeock >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou >> wrote: >>> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the >>> platform? >>> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have = too >>> many options to choose. >>> >>> Tassos >>> >>> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =F0=EC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>>> >>>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From jonathan@vidyo.com Wed Aug 1 10:38:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BC321F88D5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:38:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QEuhumhWym2c for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (mxout.myoutlookonline.com [64.95.72.244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8621F874A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ED4A682AE; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at mail.lan Received: from HUB016.mail.lan (unknown [10.110.2.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E58CA67E57; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BE235.mail.lan ([10.110.32.235]) by HUB016.mail.lan ([10.110.17.16]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:38:14 -0400 From: Jonathan Lennox To: "Timothy J. Salo" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:38:18 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1wDGJ44MPLhR0HTrCLWpdhnX3OHQ== Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> In-Reply-To: <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:38:20 -0000 There are stairs between the third to the fourth floors on the corner of th= e fourth floor opposite the terminal room. The doors are explicitly marked= "access to Regency Ballroom" or some such. On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Timothy J. Salo wrote: > Apparently, the use of stairs is deprecated at the Hyatt. I tried > to use the stairs to get from the fourth floor to the third. I > ended up having to walk down to the plaza level in search of an > unlocked door, only to find an exit door that claimed to be alarmed. > I ended up climbing back up to the fourth floor, but via a different > set of stairs. >=20 > -tjs > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees -- Jonathan Lennox jonathan@vidyo.com From jonathan@vidyo.com Wed Aug 1 10:38:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290B211E82B7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EKg216FqC1zp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Salo" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1v/aLjMvR2cCA7R0St4xeH2FnyzAAL+RyAAAA6kAA= Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> In-Reply-To: <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.96] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2BB5997B6591674E9833C1175E2E4EE2@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:41:55 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Timothy J. Salo wrote: > Apparently, the use of stairs is deprecated at the Hyatt. I tried > to use the stairs to get from the fourth floor to the third. I > ended up having to walk down to the plaza level in search of an > unlocked door, only to find an exit door that claimed to be alarmed. > I ended up climbing back up to the fourth floor, but via a different > set of stairs. Odd, I've taken the stairs down several times. It is annoying that you can'= t exist on the 3rd and 2nd floors from the stairwell, but the bottom door i= nto the lobby (right across from the elevators) never set off any alarms th= at I know of. -andy= From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 10:44:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE2811E8300 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iPyJgzPyIwT8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FA911E82C5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so8195948yhq.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=jZSb3HRWZqCzAlJEr1vLxDEBB3Kh3HOg+5WBzSvFW1o=; b=Ig6xZpvjBYJzqNw2QpMducfjOoF4q8JyyJYtfmQIvtEumVl4Il5lLi64EGh2aWilz5 kBk0uj00ZjMHXom+X85N0yI17nbcj2e3gcELIMKNET+5ZcsrSKEvl7xroYD8R9tzrw/B VtH7XuJ4uMG8czNG656c2FtEkk6BjN7+dgQ0MCQnxPN776UA4FN6e9//XQ1uDblLJL3P ASo0MzBlptq0s3xPpHqtlF7zf0JYMWuEI81rxL6wXKK0Lsq2M0TF5jO3YCJ4tEbsfZAw xGuJLGv9U+sY/yqDhi6Vbb/h9Cph6iwhJE+gM8J9YS4/UfUp/rOZd9pkAyOfGdOLxPuJ UJFQ== Received: by 10.66.84.138 with SMTP id z10mr41636786pay.2.1343843058307; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.48.231 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19664.1343840877@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <19664.1343840877@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Scott Brim Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "Rosen, Brian" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:23 -0000 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > someone did a simulation using stochastic arrival times, and failed to > think about what happens in a *conference* hotel when a session is out. Exactly what I think but that's surprising considering the main purpose of the hotel. From zoltan.lajos.kis@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 10:44:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3352E11E82C3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.825 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.825 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTo160rg4xl2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C86311E82AC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f6c6d000001cc5-69-50196ae5d42b Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 86.E1.07365.5EA69105; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:44:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.109]) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se ([10.2.3.53]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:44:05 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_Lajos_Kis?= To: JinHyeock Choi , Ben Campbell Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:44:04 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay Thread-Index: Ac1wDETiy3eG1CzaTzyZ686Np3mRFwAADQkI Message-ID: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA78@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA78ESESSCMS0361e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprPIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6zLMkAgxdCFnPuX2CxmN95mt3i 6aodrBZL/8xncWDx2DnrLrvHkiU/mTxm7XzC4nFp6WTmAJYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsEroyX+2cx F2w5x1qx4vlTtgbGi7tYuxg5OSQETCSOzdzFCGGLSVy4t56ti5GLQ0jgFKPEt57JTBDOHEaJ Vwsb2EGq2AQ8Jb7/WwTWISLgJjF7wlI2EJtZwF1ifscCJhCbRUBF4vmXh2A1wgJ2Ev0vXjNB 1NtLtE47BGUbScw/2Q9Uw8HBKxAusXNGFcSuKUwSf/YsB9vFKRAosfX0erA5jEDXfT+1hgli l7jErSfzmSCuFpF4ePE0G4QtKvHy8T9WiHpRiTvtEL3MApkSi1Z9AbN5BQQlTs58wjKBUXQW klGzkJTNQlIGEdeTuDF1ChuErS2xbOFrZgjbWOLfzYWMELa6xPK3P4HiXED2BkaJzY2/oBKK ElO6H7IvYORcxSicm5iZk15uqJdalJlcXJyfp1ecuokRGMkHt/zW3cF46pzIIUZpDhYlcV6u pP3+QgLpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOanFhxiZODilGhjblMurM5RiiqaIqE35vejxm2MiEh/XZPrM i512Ozbc7OJs0ac/jj3W/O7vxL//t/QK9tC1kZem/GWay+H9w7zoxdTG0983/s17Yr7xU8wB ybfPJ5xNkq26Zvdg5uIVih8bVsyeutn27baIgBsbfFerLZ/JecOGYckLJfGI7uv5C11+h0yL 5/+RrsRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAHaJG8uyAgAA Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, Tim Bray Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:44:25 -0000 --_002_3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA78ESESSCMS0361e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I watched the fireworks from Burrard bridge. 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--485b390f7f9cce64e504c637f161-- From dworley@avaya.com Wed Aug 1 11:10:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E24911E825D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zdsko-erh1qr for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29AA11E80E5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAGFwGVCHCzI1/2dsb2JhbABFuRCBB4IgAQEBAQIBAQEBD1wLEAIBCA0EBAEBAS4nCx0IAQEEAQ0FCBqHZQYLn1idVItJhilgA5tEihCCew X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="20676384" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 14:05:09 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com) ([135.11.52.22]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from DC-US1MBEX4.global.avaya.com ([169.254.2.202]) by DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com ([135.11.52.22]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:10:39 -0400 From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" To: Jonathan Lennox , Ben Campbell Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:07:22 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay Thread-Index: Ac1wDHWqOvU8nc+oSWOXyao2FqUZCQABArbT Message-ID: References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> , <5005E251-703C-4AB8-848A-87D5D6DFEC84@vidyo.com> In-Reply-To: <5005E251-703C-4AB8-848A-87D5D6DFEC84@vidyo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1253" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, Tim Bray Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:10:42 -0000 I expect that many of the rooms in the Sheraton Wall Centre have a good vie= w of English Bay. Dale ________________________________________ From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf= Of Jonathan Lennox [jonathan@vidyo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:38 PM To: Ben Campbell Cc: 84attendees; Tim Bray Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay Does anyone know whether the windows in the Hyatt 34th floor lounge face th= e right direction? On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: > > On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > >> You don=92t have to be that close to really enjoy them. They=92re big. = -T >> > > Any thoughts on non-close spots with a good view? > >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou >> wrote: >>> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near the >>> platform? >>> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you have = too >>> many options to choose. >>> >>> Tassos >>> >>> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =F0=EC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>>> >>>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees -- Jonathan Lennox jonathan@vidyo.com _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From mellon@fugue.com Wed Aug 1 11:20:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A83521F8984 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kVjpVziY9ZY8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816B11E82CA for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-534c.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-534c.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.83.76]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 627652380762; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_11AA9202-D9D1-4B18-BD79-96A796DF268F" From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <19664.1343840877@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:10 -0700 Message-Id: <8141E2F2-801E-4BA5-B9A5-40A5EF09E181@fugue.com> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <19664.1343840877@obiwan.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: "Rosen, Brian" , '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:20:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_11AA9202-D9D1-4B18-BD79-96A796DF268F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > someone did a simulation using stochastic arrival times, and failed to > think about what happens in a *conference* hotel when a session is = out. They also failed to account for the presence of bad data: people trying = to game the system to get an elevator to arrive sooner, which I have = witnessed, and people who mis-key the floor because the UI is badly = sized, which I do about every second time I try to operate it. I have = accidentally sent quite a few elevators to Floor 26 because I missed the = "lower floors" button. --Apple-Mail=_11AA9202-D9D1-4B18-BD79-96A796DF268F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii someone did a = simulation using stochastic arrival times, and failed to
think about = what happens in a *conference* hotel when a session is = out.

They also failed to account = for the presence of bad data: people trying to game the system to get an = elevator to arrive sooner, which I have witnessed, and people who = mis-key the floor because the UI is badly sized, which I do about every = second time I try to operate it.   I have accidentally sent quite a = few elevators to Floor 26 because I missed the "lower floors" = button.

= --Apple-Mail=_11AA9202-D9D1-4B18-BD79-96A796DF268F-- From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 11:24:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5C611E81F0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4O91yW6mueF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6202E11E81D3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71IO8Zl004336 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:24:08 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q71IO8Zl004336 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1343845448; bh=Ioa+LbwoWtjvzYfBw5osjSWErNk=; h=Subject:From:Date:To:Mime-Version:References; b=zklpEBYZ4NK3LnchKNzygenX/Y95Dj9E5E+f6SKqY0d5f/VuxFSx7CShhxznkHy5W /ytJFF9KzTEe8L+GihDVkzVpDmMkdWFGvXlGLomKtmrANPKa3ek/rUGdbn2WogvVw3 1Dg2m7Bq101p0MnPiMWrcXUVQ1NpntiEvWjWJg8Q= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o70JO80430657220jn ret-id none; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:24:08 +0100 Received: from [130.129.11.5] (dhcp-9305.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.11.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71IMnXX017949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:22:50 +0100 From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:26:47 +0100 To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o70JO8043065722000; tid=o70JO80430657220jn; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q71IO8Zl004336 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:24:11 -0000 Any recommendations? Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. Tim From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 11:24:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E28A11E83D0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.698, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OaJ9FLgzFMRw for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0A811E83BF for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71IOdAp004457; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:24:39 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q71IOdAp004457 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1343845479; bh=ki/m9j0iXfna9zIbD7vOf0K5bBU=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To; b=c2PBoltWwXydCENOcAtbWY7fOk7mi/aeOc+B994A3hstlpTiar1JH6lNMciThM+GC Ly1kasH30TwdkzE9jqRpPBK7bR0hZ5ovCabDe8lF1KnJrwyjOH+oUdYppod1v9JRlA ht6n5knk+zulnbW8J+8WEvB4N8eUsQZ127761Ea8= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o70JOd0430657224ZR ret-id none; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:24:39 +0100 Received: from [130.129.11.5] (dhcp-9305.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.11.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71IOXA3018141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:24:35 +0100 References: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA75@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> <50195E88.9000806@viagenie.ca> <6F4C7CF4-A850-4783-9211-DFECA83E5D1B@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <50195E88.9000806@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-ID: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Tim Chown Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:28:30 +0100 To: Simon Perreault X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o70JOd043065722400; tid=o70JOd0430657224ZR; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=2:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q71IOdAp004457 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Coins, coins, coins X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:24:45 -0000 On 1 Aug 2012, at 17:51, Simon Perreault wrote= : > Le 2012-08-01 09:48, Zolt=C3=A1n Lajos Kis a =C3=A9crit : >> If you were lucky to get some commemorative or recent coins in your chang= e, but not collecting them, >> please drop me a private mail if willing to exchange them for regular one= s (of the same face value :o). >=20 > There are so many commemorative coins, you're lucky if you find a regular o= ne. Is this about lucky loonies? Seem to feature on room TV a lot... Tim= From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Wed Aug 1 11:26:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0E811E810B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8xQMhNMw7w+T for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946D111E80E5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:34aa:41c2:abef:4aa7]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBDC5425E0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <501974DE.7060700@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:26:38 -0700 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chown References: <3A92A63EBFD41F4196707AF266E1CDA560E7EBDA75@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> <50195E88.9000806@viagenie.ca> <6F4C7CF4-A850-4783-9211-DFECA83E5D1B@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Coins, coins, coins X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:26:41 -0000 Le 2012-08-01 11:28, Tim Chown a écrit : > On 1 Aug 2012, at 17:51, Simon Perreault wrote: > >> Le 2012-08-01 09:48, Zoltán Lajos Kis a écrit : >>> If you were lucky to get some commemorative or recent coins in your change, but not collecting them, >>> please drop me a private mail if willing to exchange them for regular ones (of the same face value :o). >> >> There are so many commemorative coins, you're lucky if you find a regular one. > > Is this about lucky loonies? Seem to feature on room TV a lot... Lucky loonies is a different thing. Full story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loonie#The_lucky_loonie In a nutshell: Lucky loonies make Canadians win at hockey. ;) Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:28:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4E11E81CE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FHSAQrddOyV for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABA311E8396 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5064126lag.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2J3cOp/oJLVrT82ANunvtZUDZ62FAI+QRTHAXSaVpKs=; b=qw0XGHqIuiNzf6C4tWosPFr6xwHK3xq1f8zDWBbZ6YYiwKWBV6rH/JSiwjr4jc0rsv WkH6aSmmpwYGZpku0yg0SHDi8ZGOZaAn1g2/ErHoV0GVIkv5VSqPWOUC+e2MMtPPH1o0 XTtRXIOvs30CtyU4UGjd+atV0UcMnXlu1fZaBV56lHPWUUnkIEg1fQkTpMojeLNYhzr2 kcnqLYwmgL4aFardSg8tAzMv4aLpcBb/8fzurlVr/Ic2ZG6DoYThGadMNEziEjAlFg6k 0nE3k00E6yZ9pMyCF9Q4m7pnm7OBZWnoZERt1qDlQtIZ0kR89/29AFpEnru76SURu5rm EIoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.124.76 with SMTP id mg12mr3860727lab.10.1343845698182; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:28:18 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lqeDEjmCme0SUvQz2DnKZlG1fwg Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Tim Chown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bd88a791e7704c638758e Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:28:20 -0000 --f46d043bd88a791e7704c638758e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use Talkonaut. None are great, but that one seems best at handling the IETF meeting rooms. Barry On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Tim Chown wrote: > Any recommendations? > > Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. > > Tim > --f46d043bd88a791e7704c638758e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use Talkonaut. =A0None are great, but that one seems best at handling the= IETF meeting rooms.

Barry

On Wednesday, August 1= , 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
Any recommendations?

Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work.

Tim
--f46d043bd88a791e7704c638758e-- From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Wed Aug 1 11:29:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380AA11E83D0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YRSsn7bx3uOj for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3ECE11E83CC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::80:f1a1:79c:205f:1c39] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:80:f1a1:79c:205f:1c39]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E076C425E0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:29:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:29:45 -0000 used fring on my iPhone a few times. worked when I needed (very basic = use: short chat with a few people), but by no means an heavy use. So it = might not be to your expectations. Marc. Le 2012-08-01 =E0 11:26, Tim Chown a =E9crit : > Any recommendations? >=20 > Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. >=20 > Tim >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From dworley@avaya.com Wed Aug 1 11:32:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FF211E8303 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.353, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SH-g32r1X4Ew for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB6C11E810B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAFt1GVCHCzI1/2dsb2JhbABFuRCBB4IgAQEBAQIBEihECwIBCA0IIRAyJQEBBBMIGodlBp9knVCRcmADm0SKEIJ7 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="318168011" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 14:27:59 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com) ([135.11.52.22]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 14:12:45 -0400 Received: from DC-US1MBEX4.global.avaya.com ([169.254.2.202]) by DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com ([135.11.52.22]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:32:31 -0400 From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" To: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:29:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1v/aLjMvR2cCA7R0St4xeH2FnyzAAFf733 Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:32:35 -0000 > From: Rosen, Brian [Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz] >=20 > It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way up. Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement policies that have better fairness properties than the default policies. Dale From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:09:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201D211E831C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bea8H+J+fEpn for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573D411E809B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5085050lag.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lQF3pqV9YfnEIqlecj0seHk2xh+VwRpJls227TequAA=; b=dpJr8kGgB/SjT2FMkJOsfFL7oZGu3R/Oi3u5jNygYyS06UhKUGJQeQGYtAm1IL2yB/ K/gB62M80LejeW5qkNMM9oDZTUXl0TvsKZOAqyiaVE8JsfBFLPsPsoiB6w9j/xGHWMAJ t8Hxk2ggWww+XWtESsy87G+3B/soUJJ0f9FLdmiJg+z2CU4vgbiHUCTWggpY9ypGTgwH +wwZThbyJqx/f8vSDM16/NS5aoICCqzQ5afewSNzt0pcIiTz6YffeFTzQ8p3N6rbcg9+ 7PDtAilw8V8J2z9NsHY7bGUYX61iwuZO3Pf1dBLB9cfzEV/uvXkMo3kX0xM+btkdPonj 2bVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.124.76 with SMTP id mg12mr3961111lab.10.1343848173229; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:09:33 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2kjBcgCiIKcuvuZxxPX0xbZJ1v8 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bd88aff56e504c63908c7 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:09:55 -0000 --f46d043bd88aff56e504c63908c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way up. > > Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're > overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the > controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement > policies that have better fairness properties than the default > policies. > The problem is that the system commits a resource (specific elevator letter) to you when you call for service, and there's no way for it to change that. It has no idea how many people will be getting in for a particular call. If you're on 3 and trying to go up, it might tell you to ue elevator D. But if there was one call on 2 to go up, they were assigned to elevator D, but it was a group of ten people who got on... the elevator might be full when it gets to 3. Even if the elevator "knows" that, there's no way it can tell you, standing on the third floor in front of elevator D, that you should move over to A. Barry --f46d043bd88aff56e504c63908c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> It was overcrowded, and tried to pick u= p more passengers on the way up.

Which is odd. =A0They've had elevators that can detect when they're=
overloaded for years. =A0And it shouldn't be hard to program the
controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement
policies that have better fairness properties than the default
policies.

The problem is that the system commits a r= esource (specific elevator letter) to you when you call for service, and th= ere's no way for it to change that. =A0It has no idea how many people w= ill be getting in for a particular call. =A0If you're on 3 and trying t= o go up, it might tell you to ue elevator D. =A0But if there was one call o= n 2 to go up, they were assigned to elevator D, but it was a group of ten p= eople who got on... the elevator might be full when it gets to 3. =A0Even i= f the elevator "knows" that, there's no way it can tell you, = standing on the third floor in front of elevator D, that you should move ov= er to A.

Barry
--f46d043bd88aff56e504c63908c7-- From jakob.heitz@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 12:24:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF8611E810B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id olUz+MtihrkC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EC211E80D7 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q71JON7Y008719; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:24:25 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.160]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:24:20 -0400 From: Jakob Heitz To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" , "'84attendees'" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:24:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1v/aLjMvR2cCA7R0St4xeH2FnyzAAFf733AAHUjNA= Message-ID: <7309FCBCAE981B43ABBE69B31C8D21392AF07B2BA3@EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:24:27 -0000 Depends on the definition of "overcrowded". "You can spit on the guy next to you" is not the right definition. -- Jakob Heitz. -----Original Message----- From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Worley, Dale R (Dale) Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:30 AM To: '84attendees' Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators > From: Rosen, Brian [Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz] >=20 > It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way up. Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement policies that have better fairness properties than the default policies. Dale _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From jgs@juniper.net Wed Aug 1 12:30:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B501A21F87FE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agSFwL0U5mBq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og107.obsmtp.com (exprod7og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F35C21F86D3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob107.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUBmDsu0pxU+gRElyc51NcpAcn4AD9Zi5@postini.com; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:29:59 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:28:03 -0700 Received: from jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (jgs-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net [172.23.2.14]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id q71JS2h19437; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgs@juniper.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: <7309FCBCAE981B43ABBE69B31C8D21392AF07B2BA3@EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:28:01 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7F2EA10D-F64A-4FB6-886F-9BCBB00A547A@juniper.net> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <7309FCBCAE981B43ABBE69B31C8D21392AF07B2BA3@EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se> To: Jakob Heitz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:30:03 -0000 How about "elevator has a hard time getting moving, hesitates, tries = again"? --John On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Jakob Heitz wrote: > Depends on the definition of "overcrowded". > "You can spit on the guy next to you" > is not the right definition. >=20 > -- > Jakob Heitz. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Worley, Dale R (Dale) > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:30 AM > To: '84attendees' > Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators >=20 >> From: Rosen, Brian [Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz] >>=20 >> It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way = up. >=20 > Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're > overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the > controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement > policies that have better fairness properties than the default > policies. >=20 > Dale > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ole@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 12:36:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B8711E8116 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B4yTB5LB7Mg8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AE411E810B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=1387; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343849787; x=1345059387; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=lLzlvFG+ap+sjkKKRtviAFyVqDWO2pgQEAMtbim4oRA=; b=iNS+U+h8cjImJMOB6IPqELGFUturABhM7n3NeMF/NfjN+2ske3vYVQYA sZcJcO/F0qfnpqe7vI68F1m6R+3tT/0JrFrEVLiW4BWe1JROEO0OG0+w/ l0x9EijwVdgINJ7KIq7CGv1qnmsaMEA6PDnlA6whe4MrOGMhGkKpPj2ms w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EALuEGVCrRDoG/2dsb2JhbABCA7kQgQeCIQEBBBIBAggdPxALRlcGEyKHapx3g0gQnHWLSRqDToMhA4hNklWFMoMagQRign+BPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="53713761" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 19:36:26 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71JaPHv001451; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:36:25 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Barry Leiba In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:36:28 -0000 And this is different from traditional multi-car elevators how? Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > > > It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way up. > > > > Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're > > overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the > > controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement > > policies that have better fairness properties than the default > > policies. > > > > The problem is that the system commits a resource (specific elevator > letter) to you when you call for service, and there's no way for it to > change that. It has no idea how many people will be getting in for a > particular call. If you're on 3 and trying to go up, it might tell you to > ue elevator D. But if there was one call on 2 to go up, they were assigned > to elevator D, but it was a group of ten people who got on... the elevator > might be full when it gets to 3. Even if the elevator "knows" that, > there's no way it can tell you, standing on the third floor in front of > elevator D, that you should move over to A. > > Barry > From barryleiba@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:39:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F8811E80A3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.360, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UwbWK4uD7FM6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609BE11E809B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so8347314yen.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority :sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=X6BpxtlbEyVBjLAl3lxlDiBTzBbD5pRAE8dgwTKmtFU=; b=M+5sU55ZGEPqJdOzWCurSz8tdjpAB2eR9gG7Oc9tGKLDf/dWb0/aCRR5FbTuiulXBx OZeOMwAikqm7/q1tTp04gbZ8KebkjH1NW3FMw/GlmqDscjRVR61KayqWlcm6r7S1EL3N VMAIwQdufHUBlFyiFlfp0MRwJPDgcxEQKNBLpcmKR7nYGWrhaMjBtlOAH7yi1jThmpjk Zz5jgY+fPqkXeZm8JEsMUjUNq/r0ccGCJepd+dcWRqR+atCvbb/OyOAEIGXat6xePdEf O3l+/8rknjk9dNSaD02w957sWN7EybqszhUj3irmPhTJkVEROLk2s6jV96aGlx+MavHA wm2g== Received: by 10.50.47.231 with SMTP id g7mr6256108ign.62.1343849965681; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.197.214 (bda-74-82-80-106.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17sm5771112igd.5.2012.08.01.12.39.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Barry Leiba X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 288338272 Message-ID: <288338272-1343849963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-77096362-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Ole Jacobsen" From: "Barry Leiba" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:39:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:39:27 -0000 > And this is different from traditional multi-car elevators how? In usual situations, another elevator will stop if it should happen to get there first. And if the system detects that an elevator is full, it can have that car bypass the floor. In this system, an alternative elevator is not an option. b From ole@cisco.com Wed Aug 1 12:43:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591E811E8151 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kaq7xneDNkE0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5DD11E80D7 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:43:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=1067; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343850182; x=1345059782; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=p1Lsv47aFH1WakLtGh5pDm8oF763Xt1HwFIVuPOp8Rw=; b=R3ffcw4X3neQjGB6joRNq7DihH56KIEY8WRjmjsy7n+R2Qe5J58PbnM+ Yw0Z+dEluVE0D75f6jtVtbBM8njZLbNn0fyvyoOuPQNQB7cNZkH81bBqs 8WumNVCvvzYvvih5aZmm4rRyqkmXV/N3xVnckm4dNDBtgbnRy0CGtcP8R Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAFWGGVCrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABCA7kQgQeCIAEBAQMBAQEBDwECJTQLEAtGJzAGEyKHZQUMnGaDSBCcdYtJGoNOgyEDiE2SVYUygxqBBGKCf4E/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,695,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51223079" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2012 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71JgxOm027709; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:42:59 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Barry Leiba In-Reply-To: <288338272-1343849963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-77096362-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: References: <288338272-1343849963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-77096362-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:43:05 -0000 Right, good point! Although.... I have a feeling that many elevator systems don't necessarily know the concept of "getting there first". Most elevators in Japan will have a light above the elevator that you "should take", but I have seen cases where another one did indeed arrive first. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Barry Leiba wrote: > > And this is different from traditional multi-car elevators how? > > In usual situations, another elevator will stop if it should happen > to get there first. And if the system detects that an elevator is > full, it can have that car bypass the floor. > > In this system, an alternative elevator is not an option. > > b > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From barryleiba@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:46:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5441511E8173 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.340, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5--XMb83deCY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB93111E80A3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so8347317yhq.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority :sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=Rc6a3TByjBTmlpvptMro2CyeGOocJBTQFHzMUXhWNoo=; b=ITuC9Ufy7C5aBh6A6ZF54pShpsvYuWK4uCDter5leWxqRS/ZayFeD5HQm7id201k8M CP8d3Jhj5wJJQ6pJ7NNbTTDgtbdpZi7G1vD0A2mWwjVsXS1xEcXxGrkFczrHLlApUB2c HjB4Gc8BNCdeae3Nc5WGkeSRA5/+osBq2B+nQFyc15aKhMHyxbzwj0i9N/oUisujUGGM RpLs3WmCxcpgtMjtt3PMkTL8e5QSjhVzCwHTjK8deDFi2GxNLrXcnsiKqiI/OrTJlUj5 UZ0v/h72Nmc2pwpja238qGxZwXkxnfJO2PzAix6cRdERizSkBiGj/be6ECsR85JGV/1+ faSA== Received: by 10.50.41.195 with SMTP id h3mr6406229igl.34.1343850366174; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.197.214 (bda-74-82-80-106.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nh8sm16052492igc.1.2012.08.01.12.46.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Barry Leiba X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1131264796 Message-ID: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "Ole Jacobsen" From: "Barry Leiba" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:46:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:46:07 -0000 > in Japan will have a light above the elevator that you "should take", > but I have seen cases where another one did indeed arrive first. Yep. And there, you can just get into the other car and push you floor button. Here, if you do that it probably won't stop at you floor. b From smb@cs.columbia.edu Wed Aug 1 12:58:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61FD11E8193 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9HtQrU4kHmy for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarap.cc.columbia.edu (tarap.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C39011E810A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.69.171] (dhcp-45ab.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.69.171]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by tarap.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q71JwRW4010222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:58:33 -0400 (EDT) References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Steven Bellovin Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:58:25 -0700 To: Tim Chown X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.7 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:58:58 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Any recommendations? > > Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. > > Tim I've used Beejive, though not heavily. From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 13:05:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F9611E8235 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MrXQevHoC6Ac for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B1B11E8236 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5113636lag.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aqLFR5HJBiTuE5jEloZ5XK5apHj7dIhxWbo/rD62ofs=; b=FhrfdZxbzZ49CLA9krsnW7XxXe6EIBQYTx2Td1EBPJQxvwYBGCjFYer4+ocPvaJe2Z XDywlq623MrP1OLpVUzebL6wDRnuoN09NjAiOpFzBP4GrI7OF9QPrv0NN1/lLuJyG43b AeDvIqVzOeV3gwWIi7ie9b4JkH8aZcPO/yoQUfb2PZ2ENB+mgk/ykDPMQfGCoAECtoNQ pkacItm65zHDKzXynbOh+U1biJYGcFMoiPmt7nMFzx06mHeGyUgHaNihzlnJhSZoTsso +RbJRAWIuYpGHZCp8EdHv0yIhW8bkZVsGWzViURhxE/EqBtafeGKfhDABZ1EUqPwhuCZ U25A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.233 with SMTP id it9mr19008307lab.40.1343851519351; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> References: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:05:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QGboWlh0bqrWxBOtoDN5TRDyOoE Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: "barryleiba@computer.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040838d3711a7304c639d0ed Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:05:21 -0000 --f46d040838d3711a7304c639d0ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yep. And there, you can just get into the other car and push you floor > button. Here, if you do that it probably won't stop at you floor. > Apparently, I can't type "your" on my BlackBerry. Hm. b --f46d040838d3711a7304c639d0ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep. =A0And there, you can just get into the= other car and push you floor button. =A0Here, if you do that it probably w= on't stop at you floor.

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b=A0 --f46d040838d3711a7304c639d0ed-- From william.atwood@concordia.ca Wed Aug 1 13:08:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4590911E810A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.455, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LY6qwOWN-gvs for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FB611E825C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q71K8QDq023380 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:08:26 -0400 Message-ID: <50198CC8.8020202@concordia.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:08:40 -0400 From: John William Atwood Organization: Concordia University, Montreal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2012/08/01 16:08:26 EDT Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:08:29 -0000 Here, you cannot even _do_ that, because there are no "floor" buttons in side the elevator! On 8/1/2012 3:46 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> in Japan will have a light above the elevator that you "should take", >> but I have seen cases where another one did indeed arrive first. > > Yep. And there, you can just get into the other car and push you floor button. Here, if you do that it probably won't stop at you floor. > > b > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 13:10:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB911E819F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:10:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNHVYoYyAUJK for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ECD11E819B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so611373lbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=e8bnQ+C1XN+6YDA+tkgVK50YwPPHNuyqZKCjwc1BDhU=; b=JcXyOPi68swQhNjtloTDXMbN90WG8OUncx5vKGLZjoSxniY2U/D4Nlj5/dsT9yRuas riNMrXvJeoXPsgweDPfse9MxVe/fmX7zk96p1TIHoLkxMMcJJyBVzM4OPGcmIWLrw2Dn eGA+WBIPvLHue79tM+fQcpKRFPVI1Ky+55gbanruE2wasZ1/Ng8AczwtINdhCj/0078S wSr91ljI4KPW+tExWjngPLl0mHMyu57tVnOwOXTbqjQ7lRKVS276OXLZbLE6gYb9iA9w cdD3LnUTemCyQ64aLnWpBIzjO6dDRapjY13/yiymNkZ8KcG6Necc9yUXCU+98AsqqXsM 3K2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.105.173 with SMTP id gn13mr19188553lab.20.1343851820850; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50198CC8.8020202@concordia.ca> References: <1131264796-1343850364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025403017-@b11.c4.bise6.blackberry> <50198CC8.8020202@concordia.ca> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:10:20 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MLp2ybkUFsTC_68iAKeck2Mx0uo Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: John William Atwood Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040714c5699e6404c639e2e1 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:10:27 -0000 --f46d040714c5699e6404c639e2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Yep. And there, you can just get into the other car and push you floor button. Here, if you do that it probably won't stop at you floor. Here, you cannot even _do_ that, because there are no "floor" buttons in > side the elevator! > Right; by "do that", I meant the first part: get into the other car. b --f46d040714c5699e6404c639e2e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Yep. =A0And there, you can just= get into the other car and push you floor button. =A0Here, if you do that = it probably won't stop at you floor.

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--f46d040714c5699e6404c639e2e1-- From dblumenthal@pir.org Wed Aug 1 13:13:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804C011E827A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.676 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.676 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id apeB5mCFqqxc for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pir.org (173-10-164-41-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.164.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB44711E819B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PIR-MAIL-01.PIR.com ([192.168.27.12]) by pir-mail-01 ([192.168.27.12]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:13:32 -0400 From: Don Blumenthal To: Steven Bellovin Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:13:32 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? Thread-Index: Ac1wIh7YO/6whSJRSfet4YUaGHzFoQ== Message-ID: References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tim Chown , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:13:34 -0000 I use imo.im.=20 Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Steven Bellovin" wrote: > On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Tim Chown wrote: >=20 >> Any recommendations? >>=20 >> Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. >>=20 >> Tim >=20 > I've used Beejive, though not heavily.=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From pthaler@broadcom.com Wed Aug 1 13:16:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CB711E81D0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyOf-lEVEiO5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms2.broadcom.com (mms2.broadcom.com [216.31.210.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F21411E8173 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.232] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.5)); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:15:13 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 4500596E-606A-40F9-852D-14843D8201B2 Received: from SJEXCHCAS01.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.31) by SJEXCHHUB02.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.232) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.247.2; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:16:17 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by sjexchcas01.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:15:56 -0700 From: "Pat Thaler" To: "Ole Jacobsen" , "Barry Leiba" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1v/aLjMvR2cCA7R0St4xeH2FnyzAAFf733ABAOZ4AAAPDNgAANlQaA Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.240.251.180] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 7C0751CC3NK11043959-02-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Worley, Dale R \(Dale\)" , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:16:34 -0000 The elevators make the point that "software defined" is only as good as the= software, not automatically better. I've stayed in this hotel for similarl= y large meetings with the prior traditional elevator control system and did= n't run into the same congestion.=20 It doesn't seem like the system is designed to optimize for congestion hand= ling. For instance, in the end of day crush period, I entered my floor and = noticed that the next 4 people were all assigned to the D elevator along wi= th me even though they had wildly different floors. Meanwhile, E arrived an= d I noticed that it was going to my floor. It wasn't crowded. Why didn't th= e system assign me to E which was already destined to my floor? =20 If there is a lot of demand, wouldn't it handle it more efficiently if it u= sed some elevators for a lower set of floors so they could make quicker rou= nd trips and other elevators for the upper floors?=20 Perhaps the design focus was elsewhere like idling some elevators when dema= nd is low to reduce power consumption? -----Original Message----- From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:36 PM To: Barry Leiba Cc: Worley, Dale R (Dale); 84attendees Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators And this is different from traditional multi-car elevators how? Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > > > It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way u= p. > > > > Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're > > overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the > > controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement > > policies that have better fairness properties than the default > > policies. > > >=20 > The problem is that the system commits a resource (specific elevator > letter) to you when you call for service, and there's no way for it to > change that. It has no idea how many people will be getting in for a > particular call. If you're on 3 and trying to go up, it might tell you t= o > ue elevator D. But if there was one call on 2 to go up, they were assign= ed > to elevator D, but it was a group of ten people who got on... the elevato= r > might be full when it gets to 3. Even if the elevator "knows" that, > there's no way it can tell you, standing on the third floor in front of > elevator D, that you should move over to A. >=20 > Barry >=20 _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From dean.willis@softarmor.com Wed Aug 1 13:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDF611E81D0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lOrwCaZCpR0m for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3886011E8173 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbjt11 with SMTP id jt11so1639400pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=softarmor.com; s=google; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=cZDzrK9jhS7sAZqjNXfhobrZRnuiBy6zCZfkTSBzuj4=; b=J3SJ9VM22/iG7jpsJVa9OOUoSbDA95znbFWfdEdM7W4OqkSQ21eS7ZZGb/uOoArzaQ 5eWDuWoA0YKZy60JQrsoymOktOIQTWkzz/toO1eDjTagO3XRyv40mYAhFadvIRBoQBDy iHft1Enxffpic9IboAOlaSxiqyixk4hwcGfok= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=cZDzrK9jhS7sAZqjNXfhobrZRnuiBy6zCZfkTSBzuj4=; b=WSBdyjbkWJp0WpxrfXgm02QEzXZzmS0poSCiy6mnEfdski5TzYuzBl8eOMVzCLHqQe OaFXisSr/IGm3kQ1u56yXp9iZrg7WonDem4H/PN+dnV6jGOtUB05SgPs4OACWI9AoNUW E/PFoAunsLM9Q/kKhDD3/G+M6O0xb1gizdGrPybNdQsfLS3kjNF7snML6siA0nsFWsuL nKw0sv7IpQ1uqo9+H1R0CaIh2t+Rx24I9rg+VxGOjOL/PM8dn+BIQDHG/0GnPXEs1I/N db71bbkI/j1r6oHKrV8pEgobaG+PXVL6ul9dS60yAED+LNXIILpDKo7j5iL951/YQUKr oJKQ== Received: by 10.68.223.198 with SMTP id qw6mr54569444pbc.94.1343852330827; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-678f.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-678f.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.103.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id og4sm3203410pbb.48.2012.08.01.13.18.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dean Willis Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:18:44 -0500 To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmRBzRwcI9QyJTtFX18G6PmdTBHVKXkk+tsKhw5pQJBkOovYB9J2RlLFlP96LT2FuBJ6fs7 Cc: '84attendees' <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:18:52 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: >> From: Rosen, Brian [Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz] >>=20 >> It was overcrowded, and tried to pick up more passengers on the way = up. >=20 > Which is odd. They've had elevators that can detect when they're > overloaded for years. And it shouldn't be hard to program the > controller to detect the various overload conditions and implement > policies that have better fairness properties than the default > policies. North American elevators are usually designed such that they are = "overcrowded" by local standards long before they become "overloaded". = Even as fat as we are, we have a larger sense of personal space than our = prodigious girths might be accorded in other regions. And we have a = tradition of over-engineering the loading of service devices -- that's = why my "3/4 ton" pickup can easily carry well over a ton of masonry. Programming an elevator to count PEOPLE, rather than load-weight, is = actually pretty tricky. One approach is to count loading-pulses or = load-increments on the weight sensor as people step into the elevator. = Most builders don't bother, as they hope you'll go ahead and wedge = yourself into the overcrowded-but-not-overloaded elevator in favor of = energy efficiency. -- Dean= From york@isoc.org Wed Aug 1 13:20:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C121F8893 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snIfe8RvZ-Cu for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp181.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp181.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.181]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C15921F8880 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp18.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A38A32682C7; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:20:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp18.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: york-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 73A6F2D801B; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_197457CE-1524-40F9-BBD5-7F2E872C004A" From: Dan York In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:20:01 -0700 Message-Id: References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:20:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_197457CE-1524-40F9-BBD5-7F2E872C004A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've used Monal on my iPad with pretty decent results. It supports = group chats and can be configured for multiple XMPP accounts (although = only one account can be active at a time). Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624=20 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org=20 Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/ On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Any recommendations? >=20 > Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not work. >=20 > Tim >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail=_197457CE-1524-40F9-BBD5-7F2E872C004A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I've = used Monal on my iPad with pretty decent results.  It supports = group chats and can be configured for multiple XMPP accounts (although = only one account can be active at a = time).

Dan

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On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Tim Chown wrote:

Any = recommendations?

Tried a couple that turned out to be poor/not = work.

Tim


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<= /div>= --Apple-Mail=_197457CE-1524-40F9-BBD5-7F2E872C004A-- From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 13:34:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926411E81B6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.761 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.761 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.558, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jvt8w-rfdg5r for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A983611E8174 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.ecs.soton.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71KXuUI028131 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:33:56 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q71KXuUI028131 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1343853236; bh=/PnmRRc4fbdeVlyH7nwcEsYsqo8=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:Mime-Version; b=ksHyyKMaSfD6MYcMoZSe8JS5j306xtiY0M6Mo8GOgsHI282hs48Zbs/FnEyG9EUxW PKlkJWiN6XN3VRacz2Ci0ltGfZgCOu9FBRAggU6xATn/+1ipsLnh0/DHc267lEIquO gxGP+gko4zx6VFWrHwj1V5LT2B3Gh9xP4rHBXkjY= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o70LXu0430657793bi ret-id none; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:33:56 +0100 Received: from [130.129.11.5] (dhcp-9305.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.11.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q71KXpmn012706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:33:53 +0100 References: <275319EB-7714-423F-8F02-7452B5F500CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:37:49 +0100 To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o70LXu043065779300; tid=o70LXu0430657793bi; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q71KXuUI028131 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [84attendees] iPad jabber app? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:34:10 -0000 On 1 Aug 2012, at 21:20, Dan York wrote: > I've used Monal on my iPad with pretty decent results. It supports group c= hats and can be configured for multiple XMPP accounts (although only one acc= ount can be active at a time). Thanks all; Talkonaut is free and does the job nicely enough for me. Tim= From dev+ietf@seantek.com Wed Aug 1 14:16:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ED711E8295 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YR7mgAFAauXA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DC811E8314 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-40bc.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.64.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9884B50A6A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Sean Leonard In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:15:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4771837B-586A-4FEA-9134-086F10DB06B8@seantek.com> References: <50196360.4050303@forthnetgroup.gr> To: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:16:06 -0000 So, is there a plan for IETFers to meet and go as a group at some time = tonight? Sean On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Phil Hunt wrote: > You can also go to the marine museum beach area in kitsilano (far side = of Burrard bridge). No idea on how crowded.=20 >=20 > Phil >=20 > On 2012-08-01, at 10:23, Tim Bray wrote: >=20 >> You don=E2=80=99t have to be that close to really enjoy them. = They=E2=80=99re big. -T >>=20 >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou >> wrote: >>> Any recommendations about where to sit and watch them? maybe near = the >>> platform? >>> I visited english bay yesterday and i got the impression that you = have too >>> many options to choose. >>>=20 >>> Tassos >>>=20 >>> On 1/8/2012 9:34 =CF=80=CE=BC, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From fgont@si6networks.com Wed Aug 1 14:35:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D6111E80F2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6L4cYYRgQpq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:d10:2000:e::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D96D11E80F1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:df8:0:64:5e26:aff:fe33:7063] by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwgZh-0001YV-MB; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:35:25 +0200 Message-ID: <5019A0FA.70508@si6networks.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:34:50 -0300 From: Fernando Gont Organization: SI6 Networks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [84attendees] Lost wallet X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:35:30 -0000 Folks, I lost my wallet at some point while returning from lunch. Chances are that I might have dropped it in the street or somewhere in the hotel. If anyone found it, please drop me a note, or leave it at the Concierge. I'm certainly not worried about the few bucks I had in the wallet, but rather about the my ID and that kind of stuff. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 From wesley.george@twcable.com Wed Aug 1 14:37:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F70711E811E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jbnuS+75-L2b for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdpipgw02.twcable.com (cdpipgw02.twcable.com [165.237.59.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CA611E811A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; 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charset=UTF-8 On 1 Aug 2012, at 12:09, Barry Leiba wrote: The problem is that the system commits a resource (specific elevator > letter) to you when you call for service, and there's no way for it to > change that. This is the fatal flaw in the system. It commits to a particular elevator too soon. With a normal bank of elevators, if elevator A is held up by a bunch of people being slow getting in or out, then another elevator can still stop at another floor where other people are waiting. With these Hyatt Elevators, those other people may have already been "promised" elevator A, and the system has no way to retract or revise that promise. On the plus side, with these fancy Hyatt elevators, if you want to press *all* the buttons, you can now do that from the outside, without the traditional inconvenience of having to get *inside* the elevator to do that. Stuart Cheshire --00235429dc24eecc0104c63b1b88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1 Aug 2012, at 12:09, Barry Leiba wrote:

The problem is that the system commits a resource (specific elevator letter= ) to you when you call for service, and there's no way for it to change= that.

This is the fatal flaw in the system= . It commits to a particular elevator too soon.

With a normal bank of elevators, if elevator A is held = up by a bunch of people being slow getting in or out, then another elevator= can still stop at another floor where other people are waiting. With these= Hyatt Elevators, those other people may have already been "promised&q= uot; elevator A, and the system has no way to retract or revise that promis= e.

On the plus side, with these fancy Hyatt elevators, if = you want to=C2=A0press *all* the buttons,=C2=A0you can now do that=C2=A0fro= m the outside, without the traditional inconvenience of having to get *insi= de* the elevator to do that.

Stuart Cheshire

--00235429dc24eecc0104c63b1b88-- From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 14:45:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C0511E81DE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCmnIbWrtpLY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087BC11E811A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5159845lag.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3evezOGiDewXL5q7crSW96WzKyAERnByLU9C3kvslv4=; b=jCQqXaH16/zK5b0JILqTd+Iqd49hYzamo8Mm4XVo+1marYtypMIddRy+uoW5YaWPnh /NC6IGRQhuHblQBdMJAJAHuUZmiccQrtvTp5reJXRRpv+eO9ge4wO3IKnLFEeLAHtj6b pM/XzMggD2tum3hGie4lZMjN7wsdHRwBEYd1w+5+UI0zaVAWfH4Y6m1gLO2HQgvkCYKN vE2MD1Kj/+3PP/sDBj+G31Xr9r7FT4IJsJnIZaX+/ndXqvXeKPK5vw8oH5SBZtC//sbl G8B8SI5tb4HqmP/zWdoZhW7zFTPLOxVJqXZS57EO1aCYTYf1QFRjdZQiLAS+WRbZ4gmx Oakw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.44.163 with SMTP id f3mr8632924lbm.59.1343857555908; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:45:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vpvQWCWgESQmMxUlEREyHwSt5T8 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Stuart Cheshire Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d23e3fa71304c63b3875 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:45:57 -0000 --bcaec554d23e3fa71304c63b3875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On the plus side, with these fancy Hyatt elevators, if you want to press > *all* the buttons, you can now do that from the outside, without the > traditional inconvenience of having to get *inside* the elevator to do that. > That was YOU? b --bcaec554d23e3fa71304c63b3875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On the plus side, with these fancy Hyat= t elevators, if you want to=A0press *all* the buttons,=A0you can now do tha= t=A0from the outside, without the traditional inconvenience of having to ge= t *inside* the elevator to do that.

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--bcaec554d23e3fa71304c63b3875-- From morrowc@google.com Wed Aug 1 14:51:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7C211E829B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ml+2yvDgD6k3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B5F11E8235 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so656092lbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-system-of-record; bh=SXjeBUc0Uh9mUiuLI7jOnQ29WyRHe2lBHpGssVnCekY=; b=ptW3v4+NFdPCdBB2hK9Q9eXFvz1FQkxT7yfRSAMhI/a/7b3pz+GgVCNGl8lyNW3YTo fmnQUkPDgrecC7vWwHibP2j/6DF58BVjX6SUAleKZgRBz1X5sTRg/RF0v9vGq3DQXq9K VoZDT4s99N0fIy2BSYyf3gqdWS5k8+8e1bKDVhJnwcg8YPk/+Xa0nCaaivq8dYRFDvJR zKzMvmZ4mGCN4Odt5ULB6ww8CkA6Zkgl6CjcCGlIumoqDMyzaOlluPcqA8Z5bShXl9uV ZQ/teTVcz+wUTR9MFfyJ961vITCYIRx3nAEOhZSBQ7prHKLVHlLF9RAqAQIFBHL+dLKT dyGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-system-of-record:x-gm-message-state; bh=SXjeBUc0Uh9mUiuLI7jOnQ29WyRHe2lBHpGssVnCekY=; b=lb3fXKTklNbX9rutz+/vl0RkFLblXFCT4nI6xrJ+OcYupUhlWeJwxYsOpfObMCjTCp aJQPWzDicsHkMfoRep2DsAVZpSkqGbDiAOi+uwO9uktcsyr6O28a7HF2BXTstA6Je+nb E0MbOpm7abmAbXkGPcl6ow5YCJYy02cLwI68mJ9zOdXN4dYtd4sMzxhbCgPOfxGanPgO iExM+uriEi64gp9MAfDkfdmrjnoIE+2KNLwRVA7BFHZTmZ6PykZeMISCvVwKafwvBpFh 4j4dzvOvD/ScdI4OCYYDuVcpnK0xhhzTiYK/hex0U4+3uzww9ChU2hrMOxjJVu8lpyUw tM5w== Received: by 10.152.112.138 with SMTP id iq10mr19539617lab.13.1343857862849; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.138 with SMTP id iq10mr19539612lab.13.1343857862760; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.1.103 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:51:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:51:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: 84attendees@ietf.org, Erik Kline , Lorenzo Colitti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmB0Rx3GIGjHGQbFsm1JuNdEoUngS8XplIYhcomWIijKwSMZe/ottfvJ4efwEeBbX07az93zoNor61Unqw2OeMH0xhw3QQkLjjAIgxY+FfnB7Fd8mYQA3okKN2J7iVXWvfu1HV/rlHmsMKBjOd+H3w56DXw1rfP8KRqCNy+Z+sckP7EIqoadgeFjhH2kcHEhDCKq1XK Subject: Re: [84attendees] Local telus person? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:51:05 -0000 huzzah! we found 5! thanks. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chris Morrow wrote: > It there one/some about? 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Message-Id: <5AECB6D2-771E-4935-8FC6-A13220600372@tzi.org> References: <9967F2FE-FEF9-40D7-9D80-4C4C8CE09DDC@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] mike use X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:45:15 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 15:02, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > If you are speaking with one of the little clip-on mikes, please hold = if UNDERNEATH YOUR CHIN rather than in front of your mouth. Thank you. http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/MeetingAV#Audio Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From fgont@si6networks.com Wed Aug 1 16:49:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C06F11E8110 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYew9BWNlksz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:d10:2000:e::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC73B11E809A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:df8:0:64:5e26:aff:fe33:7063] by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwifT-00061z-Pp; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:49:31 +0200 Message-ID: <5019C068.9080602@si6networks.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:48:56 -0300 From: Fernando Gont Organization: SI6 Networks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <5019A0FA.70508@si6networks.com> In-Reply-To: <5019A0FA.70508@si6networks.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] Lost wallet X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:49:34 -0000 On 08/01/2012 06:34 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > > I lost my wallet at some point while returning from lunch. Chances are > that I might have dropped it in the street or somewhere in the hotel. > > If anyone found it, please drop me a note, or leave it at the Concierge. > I'm certainly not worried about the few bucks I had in the wallet, but > rather about the my ID and that kind of stuff. BTW, someone found my wallet in the street, when through the hassle of finding a way to report that they had found it (in this case, they called my credit card). Phoned the person who found it, met them her in minutes, and got my wallet back (including the cash and everything). What originally was lots of trouble to me, ended up being my lucky day, and a nice story of this trip to Vancouver. Thanks to those that offered help off-list, by the way! -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 From aservin@lacnic.net Wed Aug 1 17:00:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E9511E8113 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:00:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7M9BgnMcwf2b for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1FA11E80FD for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.17.118] (dhcp-1176.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.17.118]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD5430845D; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:00:02 -0300 (UYT) References: <5019A0FA.70508@si6networks.com> <5019C068.9080602@si6networks.com> In-Reply-To: <5019C068.9080602@si6networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <88B0E8F5-B730-4E73-84C2-6D407C9F4B6A@lacnic.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Arturo Servin Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:02:46 -0700 To: Fernando Gont X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: aservin@lacnic.net Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Lost wallet X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:00:22 -0000 Wow, just like Paris!! Regards, as Sent from my mobile device (please excuse typoss and brevit.) On 1 Aug 2012, at 16:48, Fernando Gont wrote: > On 08/01/2012 06:34 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: >> >> I lost my wallet at some point while returning from lunch. Chances are >> that I might have dropped it in the street or somewhere in the hotel. >> >> If anyone found it, please drop me a note, or leave it at the Concierge. >> I'm certainly not worried about the few bucks I had in the wallet, but >> rather about the my ID and that kind of stuff. > > BTW, someone found my wallet in the street, when through the hassle of > finding a way to report that they had found it (in this case, they > called my credit card). Phoned the person who found it, met them her in > minutes, and got my wallet back (including the cash and everything). > > What originally was lots of trouble to me, ended up being my lucky day, > and a nice story of this trip to Vancouver. > > Thanks to those that offered help off-list, by the way! > -- > Fernando Gont > SI6 Networks > e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 > > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From charliep@computer.org Wed Aug 1 19:27:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15C711E81A3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:27:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CFZkth5QrK44 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF5611E81A0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.70.215] by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Swl8k-0003YT-It for 84attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: <5019E5A3.40205@computer.org> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:27:47 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Saratoga Blue Skies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> References: <5019A0FA.70508@si6networks.com> <5019C068.9080602@si6networks.com> <88B0E8F5-B730-4E73-84C2-6D407C9F4B6A@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <88B0E8F5-B730-4E73-84C2-6D407C9F4B6A@lacnic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad861fd898c5458363102cd89686b18358a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 130.129.70.215 Subject: [84attendees] Free music tonight, maybe X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:27:55 -0000 Hello folks, After the fireworks show tonight, I'm expecting to sit near the IETF registration desk and perform some classical guitar tunes. It's my attempt to get out in public and play more. If you're interested, drop on by. The price is right. I'll probably start about 11:00 and play for less than an hour. Regards, Charlie P. From smb@cs.columbia.edu Wed Aug 1 19:54:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AF111E814E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xbmfie7R8GM9 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambutan.cc.columbia.edu (rambutan.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F8311E8194 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.9.0.30] (fireball.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.13.10]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by rambutan.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q722sVpt025327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Bellovin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:54:27 -0700 Message-Id: To: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.5 Subject: [84attendees] bike rental? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:54:35 -0000 Does anyone know of a good bike rental place near the hotel? --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From borje.ohlman@ericsson.com Wed Aug 1 20:12:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF18711E8169 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.694 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.694 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.255, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVemfLPF1wKP for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D3011E8175 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:12:40 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f6c6d000001cc5-e4-5019f02732b5 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 6E.0E.07365.720F9105; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:12:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0363.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.236]) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.87]) with mapi; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:12:37 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?QsO2cmplIE9obG1hbg==?= To: Steven Bellovin Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:12:34 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] bike rental? 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X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:12:42 -0000 VGhlcmUgaXMgb25lIGRvd24gaW4gdGhlIGNvbnZlbnRpb24gY2VudHJlLCBqdXN0IGJ5IHRoZSB3 YXRlci4gSXQgc2VlbXMgYSBiaXQgZXhwZW5zaXZlIHRob3VnaC4gT3RoZXJ3aXNlIHRoZXJlIGFy ZSBwbGVudHkgb2YgdGhlbSBkb3duIG9uIERlbm1hbiBTdC4gYnkgU3RhbmxleSBQYXJrLiANCg0K ICAgICBCw7ZyamUNCg0KMSBhdWcgMjAxMiBrbC4gMTk6NTQgc2tyZXYgIlN0ZXZlbiBCZWxsb3Zp biIgPHNtYkBjcy5jb2x1bWJpYS5lZHU+Og0KDQo+IERvZXMgYW55b25lIGtub3cgb2YgYSBnb29k IGJpa2UgcmVudGFsIHBsYWNlIG5lYXIgdGhlIGhvdGVsPw0KPiANCj4gICAgICAgIC0tU3RldmUg QmVsbG92aW4sIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNzLmNvbHVtYmlhLmVkdS9+c21iDQo+IA0KPiANCj4gDQo+ IA0KPiANCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18N Cj4gODRhdHRlbmRlZXMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQo+IDg0YXR0ZW5kZWVzQGlldGYub3JnDQo+IGh0 dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vODRhdHRlbmRlZXMNCg== From montessoro@uniud.it Thu Aug 2 00:54:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BDF21F8CF5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.881 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umVXR07eLXM7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delivery.uniud.it (mail.uniud.it [158.110.1.210]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A6A21F8CA8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam.uniud.it (nospam.uniud.it [158.110.1.213]) by delivery.uniud.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA311816879 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:54:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at talitha2 Received: from smtp.uniud.it ([158.110.1.136]) by nospam.uniud.it (nospam.uniud.it [158.110.1.213]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id yMoaZ6rWz6TG for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:54:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from LittleThunder (unknown [64.114.255.126]) by smtp.uniud.it (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 95424B0035 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:54:12 +0200 (CEST) From: "Pier Luca Montessoro" To: <84attendees@ietf.org> References: <4E18280C-53B8-4888-889A-41944A7639B3@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:53:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4E18280C-53B8-4888-889A-41944A7639B3@ericsson.com> Thread-Index: Ac1wXKp8mnwA8zaKQgqQaBvy19qzCwAJV5KA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Subject: Re: [84attendees] bike rental? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:54:17 -0000 > There is one down in the convention centre, just by the > water. It seems a bit expensive though. I agree. Moreover, you cannot keep the bike for more than one day. > Otherwise there are > plenty of them down on Denman St. by Stanley Park. Spokes (1798 Georgia St.) has good bikes but is still expensive. My choice is Bayshore Bike Rentals (745 Denman st.): 1 day 29.80, 2 days 47.80, 3 63, 4 78, then +10/day. Open 9am-9pm. Pier Luca www.montessoro.it From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Aug 2 09:18:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A1521F8593 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.176, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJKAIRUiabbl for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF6921F84AF for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAJKmGlDGmAcF/2dsb2JhbABFuQyBB4IgAQEBAQMBAQEPHgo0FwQCAQgNBAQBAQsGDAsBBgEmHwkIAQEEEwgah2sLn1qdVotJg2iCPGADm0SKEIJh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,702,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="360146148" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 12:14:02 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 12:13:30 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:17:59 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Transylvanian Cuisine in Vancouver Thread-Index: Ac1wyLrq0A2qeBIhRK+ms65iU1w9ggAATXTg References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Transylvanian Cuisine in Vancouver X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:18:04 -0000 Unfortunately the restaurant is closed until 8/10, so do not try to get there this week. You will need to wait until the next meeting in Vancouver, or visit Transylvania. Or visit the sweet shop and bakery which is closer to the hotel.=20 Dan > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org > >> [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > >> On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > >> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:02 AM > >> To: 84attendees@ietf.org > >> Subject: [84attendees] Transylvanian Cuisine in Vancouver > >> > >> Transylvania is not only the alleged birthplace ok Count Dracula, but > >> also a place of culinary delights, at the crossroads on Europe, > >> mixing Hungarian, Romanian and even Turkish cuisine traditions. > >> Vancouver has a couple of interesting places where you can try this - > >> one is a restaurant a little bit far away > >> http://www.transylvaniaflavour.com/main/index.htm, and the other a > >> sweets and bakery shop located a few minutes from the meeting hotel > >> http://transylvaniantraditions.com/. Do not miss the unique kurtos > >> kalacs! > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 84attendees mailing list > >> 84attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > > > >=20 From peter@akayla.com Thu Aug 2 09:28:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D8721F8619 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+9d1cAE8WZH for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.181]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CB78421F8615 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19656 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 16:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (130.129.86.230) by smtpauth01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.181) with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 16:28:36 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:28:33 -0700 From: Peter Yee To: "Charles E. Perkins" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Free music tonight, maybe In-Reply-To: <5019E5A3.40205@computer.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] Free music tonight, maybe X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:28:38 -0000 Wonderful concert last night, Charlie. Hopefully, you'll consider another one at an upcoming IETF meeting. Those of you who couldn't make it last night missed some lovely renditions of pieces by Villa-Lobos, Satie, and Williams. -Peter Yee On 8/1/12 7:27 PM, "Charles E. Perkins" wrote: > >Hello folks, > >After the fireworks show tonight, I'm expecting to sit near the >IETF registration desk and perform some classical guitar tunes. >It's my attempt to get out in public and play more. If you're >interested, drop on by. The price is right. > >I'll probably start about 11:00 and play for less than an hour. > >Regards, >Charlie P. > >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From denghui02@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:34:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A0721F842C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.152, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eFSTm3XMbQ3M for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C61711E80F1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so9653295yen.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Tcnlk49fnDxGmAocPG/ZJc3JSGoy+2eAEamVcJ6Y1nA=; b=wrVK5/2PFQqB9MX33Peg0CsJTQfPQ2mvlxL5SI59R3nOh0mS3+5ajfvx75HySC1GJ1 Vat1iCro3qnUOlEfLfUzqViIA4Yn6savqtjzKkTof6ilIH+ORANYYLEOVZACE38qnrUX XSZvfn/hu7rSsjG//0AV52HQ9QK3vYAeEvstNOpWiNA2ZIRvBeZbPkR2hirfZrAad88i lPrYp8wx4wfJ3EOdqT/hOo60KgzekyUoFNtqAEcn/30Q3R7QE5dO64kHPLfPhesZ+upX 1wWTVN1RXkGLZFMSdCV4NoaXzdYgNQAhR+MVShAKwnuKMEiPQISmhu4aFPnVvyIxAd7G ya+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.73.70 with SMTP id j6mr43687906pav.5.1343925261676; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.237.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:34:21 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9792d3afa604c64afbaa Subject: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:34:24 -0000 --f46d042f9792d3afa604c64afbaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 unfortunatelly --f46d042f9792d3afa604c64afbaa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 unfortunatelly
--f46d042f9792d3afa604c64afbaa-- From stig@cisco.com Thu Aug 2 09:35:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA0E21F8450 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0RjZYjLFi9B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866CA21F844F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=stig@cisco.com; l=337; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343925326; x=1345134926; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eN9WwSVTfA6zdCWznli49YNsX+CqyiBDhTL7BiIveSU=; b=jTPHTdu6tH1P2d4BD65onTg5/JH2SFOz3anWFpk+vQ1EbqCun4va0TdP lTikMveqGgR8ayZK5gQ6D0gXmTUwNFiikKK6cYtFV//3yGM2nd+gdV5rp HbzmS1ft5jzTOAvCMv5jOV+AmklUl0/BpBYsIuupcdMPGkZvJqizFMRkM 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAA2sGlCrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABFhTSzZIEHgiABAQEEAQEBDwElNgoBEAsYCRYPCQMCAQIBFTAGDQEFAgEBHodqDJxboEwEi0qHBAOITYx6hVuITIFmgn8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,702,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="53804955" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 16:35:21 +0000 Received: from [10.21.84.35] (sjc-vpn4-1060.cisco.com [10.21.84.35]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72GZKQS022321; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:35:20 GMT Message-ID: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:35:20 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hui Deng References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:35:27 -0000 On 8/2/2012 9:34 AM, Hui Deng wrote: > unfortunatelly It works for me, although I had to try to authenticate a handful of times before getting it accepted. Stig > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr Thu Aug 2 09:37:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA0511E80FA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.946, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp-7q-riJXEM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A94E11E808E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id q72GbsTZ015411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:37:54 +0200 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q72Gbs53027270; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:37:54 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr) Received: from EXCAH-A3.intra.cea.fr (excah-a3.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.77]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id q72GbsNi020485; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:37:54 +0200 Received: from EXDAG0-B3.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::d0da:1b48:7560:ee73]) by EXCAH-A3.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::60de:a77e:427d:f7e6%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:37:54 +0200 From: PETRESCU Alexandru To: Hui Deng , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Thread-Index: Ac1wzSQAE8slhVrmTDqBUx0LtiXE3A== Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:37:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4612665D-7E6C-42EA-9C11-71824F8A7751@mimectl> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mimectl: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V14.1.218.12 x-originating-ip: [132.167.194.4] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.0.0.4211-6.800.1017-19078.007 x-tm-as-result: No--33.232500-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="_5DCAD73A-83DA-4FCA-AB56-453CA1DE0433_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:37:58 -0000 --_5DCAD73A-83DA-4FCA-AB56-453CA1DE0433_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1B88EXDAG0B3intrace_" --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1B88EXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Works for me. But indeed since two days the authentication of amount seems to be failing = (red text) at the moment of filling it that form asking for last name, room= number, Premium and condition acceptation. What I do is reboot computer, wait 15minutes and try again. This worked fo= r me yesterday morning and this morning.=20 On another hand, if I try and retry again and again without waiting, it fai= ls saying two lines of red text about auhtorization not accepted. Alex -- Alexandru Petrescu,=20 Ingenieur Chercheur,=20 DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC=20 CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4=20 tel : +33(0)169089223=20 alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr=20 http://www-list.cea.fr=20 http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA)=20 http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg=20 Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de message) :=20 De : 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de la part= de Hui Deng [denghui02@gmail.com] Date d'envoi : jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2012 18:34 =C0 : 84attendees@ietf.org Objet : [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days unfortunatelly --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1B88EXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Works for me.

 

But indeed since two days the authentication of amount seems to be faili= ng (red text) at the moment of filling it that form asking for last name, r= oom number, Premium and condition acceptation.

 

What I do is reboot computer, wait 15minutes and try again.  This w= orked for me yesterday morning and this morning. 

 

On another hand, if I try and retry again and again without waiting, it = fails saying two lines of red text about auhtorization not accepted.

 

Alex

 

--
Alexandru Petrescu,
Ingenieur Chercheur,
DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC
CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov,
Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4
tel : +33(0)169089223 <= BR>alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr
http://www-l= ist.cea.fr
http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der= (Certificate Authority CEA)
http://petrescu.fr/photo.= jpg

Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de m= essage) :
De : 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bo= unces@ietf.org] de la part de Hui Deng [denghui02@gmail.com]
Date d'e= nvoi : jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2012 18:34
=C0 : 84attendees@ietf.orgObjet : [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 d= ays

unfortunatelly
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X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAF2sGlCrRDoG/2dsb2JhbABFuRiBB4IgAQEBAwEBAQEJBgEfAQU2CgEFCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBDwYwBg0BBQIBAR6HXAMGBQycW5Z4DYlOimNnhwQDiE2LJ4FTgRSER4UvA4MagWaCfw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,702,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="50773822" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 16:39:12 +0000 Received: from [10.21.84.35] (sjc-vpn4-1060.cisco.com [10.21.84.35]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72GdBQK024555; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:39:12 GMT Message-ID: <501AAD2E.3060800@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:39:10 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PETRESCU Alexandru References: <4612665D-7E6C-42EA-9C11-71824F8A7751@mimectl> In-Reply-To: <4612665D-7E6C-42EA-9C11-71824F8A7751@mimectl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Hui Deng , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:39:16 -0000 On 8/2/2012 9:37 AM, PETRESCU Alexandru wrote: > Works for me. > > But indeed since two days the authentication of amount seems to be > failing (red text) at the moment of filling it that form asking for last > name, room number, Premium and condition acceptation. > > What I do is reboot computer, wait 15minutes and try again. This worked > for me yesterday morning and this morning. > > On another hand, if I try and retry again and again without waiting, it > fails saying two lines of red text about auhtorization not accepted. I just retried quickly with no waiting, and it took a handful of times. I had the same experience both with my phone and my laptop. Stig > Alex > > -- > Alexandru Petrescu, > Ingenieur Chercheur, > DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC > CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, > Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4 > tel : +33(0)169089223 > alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr > http://www-list.cea.fr > http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA) > http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg > > Messages cités pour référence (si rien alors fin de message) : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de la > part de Hui Deng [denghui02@gmail.com] > *Date d'envoi :* jeudi 2 août 2012 18:34 > *À :* 84attendees@ietf.org > *Objet :* [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days > > unfortunatelly > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From jonathan@vidyo.com Thu Aug 2 09:39:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31CC11E8122 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Ajk2mZW0oLV for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (mxout.myoutlookonline.com [64.95.72.244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FC411E8121 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D21F552F0F; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at mail.lan Received: from HUB023.mail.lan (unknown [10.110.2.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC9B552F6C; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BE235.mail.lan ([10.110.32.235]) by HUB023.mail.lan ([10.110.17.23]) with mapi; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:39:16 -0400 From: Jonathan Lennox To: Stig Venaas Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:39:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Thread-Index: Ac1wzVHje7V7mWP7REW6bRGccdLR5A== Message-ID: References: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Hui Deng , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:39:23 -0000 I was unable to authenticate to the captive portal the other night, but the= tech support line (whose telephone number is printed on the card in the ro= om) was able to hard-code my MAC addresses to bypass portal authentication,= and I haven't had any trouble with the hotel network since. On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: > On 8/2/2012 9:34 AM, Hui Deng wrote: >> unfortunatelly >=20 > It works for me, although I had to try to authenticate a handful > of times before getting it accepted. >=20 > Stig >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees -- Jonathan Lennox jonathan@vidyo.com From denghui02@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:41:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386EB11E8114 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJ1MarU77WYl for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123D411E808E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so9653753ggn.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Vlr0e6BoAll8nYkwdAkqk7s0CtweZNG5F54sKP6VNss=; b=bNdIpXP1DZZq55gqs9JZG+CVVRocKZZAoaAIesR5XcrYGp6nr9jjTuSvdBM11WWK9j 81GyZFyBPgLA7JXjoK4SrfYOtqRL5j1DjMjNMrz6/n6IuwcJhZ3FU255AmYCE/akk/ZI jZC7WwpYDoRbRf9AW3kY5mYlz/RDTlOLRKxcwZL0XY2b/cwfTd/xXr8F3U6MKUMfmETX 16acW3nxN2SZ7juW+U9RsIwgyM6HsyDYq3346hCrx8I8kPELj/Of1cA8Q90LViWG55tv NqIJqXSmmeZauYHbdbIjqRQJ2k9KpbdTF4quO9TgD+b8peaZb7ofeK04etxp95eEQrFx 8koQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.74.3 with SMTP id p3mr43430643pav.49.1343925661128; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.237.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:41:01 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: Jonathan Lennox Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f96b6a2d8ea04c64b1336 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Stig Venaas Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:41:03 -0000 --f46d042f96b6a2d8ea04c64b1336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, I will let them know my mac address today, thanks -Hui 2012/8/3 Jonathan Lennox > I was unable to authenticate to the captive portal the other night, but > the tech support line (whose telephone number is printed on the card in the > room) was able to hard-code my MAC addresses to bypass portal > authentication, and I haven't had any trouble with the hotel network since. > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: > > > On 8/2/2012 9:34 AM, Hui Deng wrote: > >> unfortunatelly > > > > It works for me, although I had to try to authenticate a handful > > of times before getting it accepted. > > > > Stig > > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 84attendees mailing list > >> 84attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 84attendees mailing list > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > -- > Jonathan Lennox > jonathan@vidyo.com > > > --f46d042f96b6a2d8ea04c64b1336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, I will let them know my mac address today, thanks
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-Hui

2012/8/3 Jonathan Lenn= ox <jonathan@vidyo.com>
I was unable to authenticate to the captive portal the oth= er night, but the tech support line (whose telephone number is printed on t= he card in the room) was able to hard-code my MAC addresses to bypass porta= l authentication, and I haven't had any trouble with the hotel network = since.

On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Stig Venaas wrote:

> On 8/2/2012 9:34 AM, Hui Deng wrote:
>> unfortunatelly
>
> It works for me, although I had to try to authenticate a handful
> of times before getting it accepted.
>
> Stig
>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees
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--f46d042f96b6a2d8ea04c64b1336-- From miyakawa@nttv6.jp Thu Aug 2 09:41:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5A521F8517 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.438, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GrG8UBtXlfhC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:144::148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD3C21F8516 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [115.69.228.212]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 9F087BDC1E; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 76DB9E19AA; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:41:07 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:41:07 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120803.014107.193731531.miyakawa@nttv6.jp> To: denghui02@gmail.com From: Shin Miyakawa In-Reply-To: References: Organizaton: NTT Communications X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:41:10 -0000 From: Hui Deng Subject: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:34:21 +0800 > unfortunatelly I had same problem but, the day before yesterday, I called the hotel operation from my room and she gave me a passcode which has worked this two days including this morning there. Shin Miyakawa From herve.prigent@crihan.fr Thu Aug 2 09:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEEF11E80E8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzMASDSTlfHM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-smtp-a.crihan.fr (mail-smtp-vip-a.crihan.fr [IPv6:2001:660:7401:211::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876CA11E812E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::8:1c34:931a:d9a5:cdc5] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:8:1c34:931a:d9a5:cdc5]) by mail-smtp-a.crihan.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C8FEFBD3; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Prigent?= In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:45:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> References: To: Hui Deng X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:45:41 -0000 On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: > unfortunatelly Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since = yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. -- H. PRIGENT From denghui02@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF8121E8085 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.33 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.33 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UU2EE62ZdARp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9AF11E812E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so9662317ggn.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=L/JYBe3zju4Bd5I4MZkgjIzPbboR896y77ugB5TeZqA=; b=pRGTTcwR5n0sYr40aVv95v9Yl5se+CjAXgtJOC8QnsVrTZ5NTipA7gyo7B9ddZpl60 INZ9KsZb7B2ucg7pcOTT5YNuuQEWkMAdkOSjlzZTiAKlCSNO6dtePx0skJJYk6XFTTvB mIvP7OyA3isaLAQt3Covjp0KV+2tLmSPu4oxnKiUtMSXtcM0OUEJLdPBL8wkkFJnagWM /wnPkeIb/iWACa8ttSB3pNbi7KN2SqqdTXXZ838+LNmGMQGJKDRY0JG4tdaW5R5ipP7B tr8dMVTJGwp+IQcDeouH/8ScMmBv/rzx79R579MWfrKtI+YHfh6LbPUpaTaOLVg+jcoW W1ZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.74.3 with SMTP id p3mr43434946pav.49.1343926078320; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.237.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:47:58 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Prigent?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f96b680b08804c64b2cf9 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:48:00 -0000 --f46d042f96b680b08804c64b2cf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable same here. -Hui 2012/8/3 Herv=E9 Prigent > > On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: > > > unfortunatelly > > Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since > yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. > -- > H. PRIGENT > > --f46d042f96b680b08804c64b2cf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
same here.
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-Hui

2012/8/3 Herv=E9 Prigent <herve.prigent@crihan.fr><= /span>

On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng <denghui02@gmail.com> wrote:

> unfortunatelly

Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since yesterd= ay I can't even have access to the authentication page.
--
H. PRIGENT


--f46d042f96b680b08804c64b2cf9-- From alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr Thu Aug 2 09:49:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5276211E8158 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.625 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.625 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.323, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Roc9UlsHcY1N for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2D011E8151 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id q72Gn9kg018343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:49:09 +0200 Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q72Gn8uQ028901; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:49:09 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr) Received: from EXCAH-A1.intra.cea.fr (excah-a1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.75]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id q72Gn88j027995; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:49:08 +0200 Received: from EXDAG0-B3.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::d0da:1b48:7560:ee73]) by EXCAH-A1.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::5455:9547:c7e7:4610%12]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:49:08 +0200 From: PETRESCU Alexandru To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Prigent?= , Hui Deng Thread-Topic: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Thread-Index: Ac1wzrX9zjM/2VD6TLqjn+10nzegEg== Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:49:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> In-Reply-To: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mimectl: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V14.1.218.12 x-originating-ip: [132.167.194.4] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.0.0.4211-6.800.1017-19078.007 x-tm-as-result: No--37.902100-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="_6E06421D-843A-439A-9F5C-74DCAC9511EF_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:49:12 -0000 --_6E06421D-843A-439A-9F5C-74DCAC9511EF_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1BCFEXDAG0B3intrace_" --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1BCFEXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out of it and= into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens if I plug it = into the laptop instead... -- Alexandru Petrescu,=20 Ingenieur Chercheur,=20 DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC=20 CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4=20 tel : +33(0)169089223=20 alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr=20 http://www-list.cea.fr=20 http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA)=20 http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg=20 Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de message) :=20 De : 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de la part= de Herv=E9 Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr] Date d'envoi : jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2012 18:45 =C0 : Hui Deng Cc : 84attendees@ietf.org Objet : Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: > unfortunatelly Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since yesterd= ay I can't even have access to the authentication page. -- H. PRIGENT _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B1BCFEXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out o= f it and into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens = if I plug it into the laptop instead...

 

--
Alexandru Petrescu,
Ingenieur Chercheur,
DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC
CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov,
Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4
tel : +33(0)169089223 <= BR>alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr
http://www-l= ist.cea.fr
http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der= (Certificate Authority CEA)
http://petrescu.fr/photo.= jpg

Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de m= essage) :
D= e : 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de la p= art de Herv=E9 Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr]
Date d'envoi : j= eudi 2 ao=FBt 2012 18:45
=C0 : Hui Deng
Cc : 84attendee= s@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sherat= on Hotel for 2 days


On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng <denghui= 02@gmail.com> wrote:

> unfortunatelly

Same thing. They = gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since yesterday I can't even h= ave access to the authentication page.
--
H. PRIGENT

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Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.74.82 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [84attendees] IETF network flaky? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:55:44 -0000 I'm getting lots of loss / latency over here in Regency A. $ ping google.com PING google.com (173.194.33.38): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=8 ttl=58 time=177.840 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=9 ttl=58 time=71.815 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=10 ttl=58 time=128.226 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=11 ttl=58 time=399.053 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=12 ttl=58 time=379.269 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=13 ttl=58 time=343.350 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=14 ttl=58 time=329.709 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=15 ttl=58 time=192.804 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=16 ttl=58 time=500.503 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=17 ttl=58 time=267.421 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=18 ttl=58 time=222.140 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=19 ttl=58 time=299.404 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=20 ttl=58 time=174.009 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=21 ttl=58 time=155.067 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=22 ttl=58 time=381.544 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=23 ttl=58 time=354.601 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=24 ttl=58 time=148.207 ms Request timeout for icmp_seq 25 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=25 ttl=58 time=1121.351 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=26 ttl=58 time=386.057 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=27 ttl=58 time=234.165 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=29 ttl=58 time=143.535 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=30 ttl=58 time=367.685 ms Request timeout for icmp_seq 31 Request timeout for icmp_seq 32 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=31 ttl=58 time=2738.300 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=32 ttl=58 time=1816.987 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=33 ttl=58 time=934.476 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=34 ttl=58 time=204.337 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=35 ttl=58 time=579.382 ms 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=36 ttl=58 time=209.256 ms ^C $ traceroute google.com traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using 173.194.33.41 traceroute to google.com (173.194.33.41), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 rtra (130.129.16.2) 211.494 ms 23.713 ms 22.192 ms 2 206.108.220.56 (206.108.220.56) 93.770 ms 6.593 ms 2.108 ms 3 75.154.216.250 (75.154.216.250) 7.548 ms 7.956 ms 5.164 ms 4 * * * 5 209.85.249.34 (209.85.249.34) 9.744 ms 7.257 ms 6.596 ms 6 209.85.253.26 (209.85.253.26) 9.244 ms 6.171 ms 5.655 ms 7 sea09s02-in-f9.1e100.net (173.194.33.41) 8.826 ms 7.414 ms 8.171 ms From gettysjim@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:56:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A97721E80B0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dzpN-js2yzTq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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([2001:df8:0:80:2008:60aa:8c84:f02d]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hc9sm6377739obc.15.2012.08.02.09.56.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <501AB145.8040906@freedesktop.org> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:56:37 -0700 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PETRESCU Alexandru References: , <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Hui Deng , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Prigent?= , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:56:41 -0000 On 08/02/2012 09:49 AM, PETRESCU Alexandru wrote: > > In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out of > it and into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens if > I plug it into the laptop instead... > You still are captured by the portal, and your DNS is blocked and you have to use the proxy. - Jim > > > -- > Alexandru Petrescu, > Ingenieur Chercheur, > DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC > CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, > Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4 > tel : +33(0)169089223 > alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr > http://www-list.cea.fr > http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA) > http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg > > Messages cités pour référence (si rien alors fin de message) : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de > la part de Hervé Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr] > *Date d'envoi :* jeudi 2 août 2012 18:45 > *À :* Hui Deng > *Cc :* 84attendees@ietf.org > *Objet :* Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 > days > > > On 2 août 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: > > > unfortunatelly > > Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since > yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. > -- > H. PRIGENT > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From scott.brim@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:58:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED8121E80CD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WiKm+b21dOOb for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E3721E80CC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so670500vbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=VxBn5+jB8zPnzjudDj8RZ79b5CGRdNFtgHOK5jwd5QU=; b=uYslnmjmUbjY0PTiT6LKkEP2kkIRccczUNXMNqAwCspyQakfvbkiT/FzMDNXCSOkLL w4OXp1zbWk9JJ0Bb0iYWPQ9cKZ1ZAUwGl3T9YRj6rTGSf5dkWuiBajoKRayra5YNF9kC eAXV2+XySpd+aUQK++JXNimt65tIRN0QNWaAoP4GwZrneOvpliVHiiUqigtaY9ZS3omY 3ohaTkEj64hYnBeDihs9by8fRbWaMvEiKraYisAjA2Qp+D9waacZZj3hQRIV2ueLTV0W AJYYgqOl/rNC7fnl1AA3kipAsbZpTTW0AmvKffaQ9PLTHxykqiF1OfgteYMJhrOAHHh0 tJjQ== Received: by 10.58.144.138 with SMTP id sm10mr9864920veb.31.1343926726418; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.199 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Scott Brim Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: Richard Barnes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] IETF network flaky? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:58:47 -0000 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > I'm getting lots of loss / latency over here in Regency A. Barely a problem in the back of Regency D. --- google.com ping statistics --- 13 packets transmitted, 13 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 6.965/115.859/1111.901/289.023 ms [09:57:08 ~ (0)]$ From richard.barnes@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:02:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6916D21E80CD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wlfVMVX9pbD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8403621E8084 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5692998lag.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JXisP1/RBtOw06n72AreCFDQKEy4fgacZyXGR9fAaEE=; b=0kRiGSVD80muukgLhGeXbiSgvOFJb8BTl/YE7ThpfLbwNBL5tOut9ZusU0U8Pphj1T eZ/X2tkg5l2K8z7kn3cpt26pVjhUsXjWg2bfxsGsZOtR05uM8GSDvgzf+2ktJVW5epg/ ADJlFurpYZbkC4Gyowme6VviTUjkb94j7AIc55kYCgA0i5K/CduORG1fUtrlPO5jv2zP gO6FamiTvwmvidK9x/DQSQb2Be03rDVRl6Jpr++grS9snopB7nQyTHgbWg/3I2ta0fiV se8+thgfZw+8aX7Gd4QI3+0rbmRBTLsfbzxFXUfDN1c+in/YZk9Coec9lXcdeGwIOfBJ PHRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.43.135 with SMTP id w7mr10082891lbl.48.1343926938410; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.74.82 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Scott Brim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] IETF network flaky? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:02:20 -0000 Seems better here now too. Guess it was just a hiccup. Never mind! --Richard On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: >> I'm getting lots of loss / latency over here in Regency A. > > Barely a problem in the back of Regency D. > > --- google.com ping statistics --- > 13 packets transmitted, 13 packets received, 0.0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 6.965/115.859/1111.901/289.023 ms > [09:57:08 ~ (0)]$ From bede@mitre.org Thu Aug 2 10:02:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0EB21E80DB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEt+PDlcfCEl for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpksrv1.mitre.org (smtpksrv1.mitre.org [198.49.146.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFBF21E80DD for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpksrv1.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B1D0721B0138; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linus.mitre.org (linus.mitre.org [129.83.10.1]) by smtpksrv1.mitre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DF221B02C4; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.31.35.16] (bvb-172-31-35-16.mitre.org [172.31.35.16]) by linus.mitre.org (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q72H2nTJ024795; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <501AB2B9.2040103@mitre.org> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:02:49 -0400 From: Bede McCall Organization: MITRE Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: , <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <501AB145.8040906@freedesktop.org> In-Reply-To: <501AB145.8040906@freedesktop.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: bede@mitre.org List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:02:53 -0000 ... and the problem appears to reside entirely in the hotel portal. They're trying to resolve your room number for possible billing. That operation is failing after some (appears to be variable) number of attempts. --Bede McCall On 8/2/2012 12:56 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > On 08/02/2012 09:49 AM, PETRESCU Alexandru wrote: >> In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out of >> it and into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens if >> I plug it into the laptop instead... >> > You still are captured by the portal, and your DNS is blocked and you > have to use the proxy. > - Jim > >> >> >> -- >> Alexandru Petrescu, >> Ingenieur Chercheur, >> DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC >> CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, >> Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4 >> tel : +33(0)169089223 >> alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr >> http://www-list.cea.fr >> http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA) >> http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg >> >> Messages cités pour référence (si rien alors fin de message) : >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *De :* 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de >> la part de Hervé Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr] >> *Date d'envoi :* jeudi 2 août 2012 18:45 >> *À :* Hui Deng >> *Cc :* 84attendees@ietf.org >> *Objet :* Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 >> days >> >> >> On 2 août 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: >> >>> unfortunatelly >> Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since >> yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. >> -- >> H. PRIGENT >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > From jrmii@isc.org Thu Aug 2 10:05:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF8C21E80F0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lYPeZyF0Q59z for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D9721E803C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E4A95F9927; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:04:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrmii@isc.org) Received: from [130.129.0.228] (unknown [130.129.0.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83BEA216C33; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrmii@isc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Jim Martin In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:04:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2E7D3E24-64E2-412B-BB52-D9A01468F37A@isc.org> References: To: Richard Barnes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] IETF network flaky? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:05:01 -0000 RIchard, We've got someone looking into it ... thanks for the report. = None the less, a better solution would be to send a report to = tickets@meeting.ietf.org or submit a ticket at = http://trac.meeting.ietf.org. That gets the issue directly in front of = those who can look into it. - Jim On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Richard Barnes = wrote: > I'm getting lots of loss / latency over here in Regency A. >=20 > $ ping google.com > PING google.com (173.194.33.38): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 > ping: sendto: No route to host > Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 > Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D8 ttl=3D58 time=3D177.840 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D9 ttl=3D58 time=3D71.815 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D10 ttl=3D58 time=3D128.226 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D11 ttl=3D58 time=3D399.053 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D12 ttl=3D58 time=3D379.269 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D13 ttl=3D58 time=3D343.350 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D14 ttl=3D58 time=3D329.709 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D15 ttl=3D58 time=3D192.804 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D16 ttl=3D58 time=3D500.503 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D17 ttl=3D58 time=3D267.421 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D18 ttl=3D58 time=3D222.140 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D19 ttl=3D58 time=3D299.404 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D20 ttl=3D58 time=3D174.009 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D21 ttl=3D58 time=3D155.067 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D22 ttl=3D58 time=3D381.544 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D23 ttl=3D58 time=3D354.601 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D24 ttl=3D58 time=3D148.207 ms > Request timeout for icmp_seq 25 > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D25 ttl=3D58 time=3D1121.351 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D26 ttl=3D58 time=3D386.057 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D27 ttl=3D58 time=3D234.165 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D29 ttl=3D58 time=3D143.535 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D30 ttl=3D58 time=3D367.685 ms > Request timeout for icmp_seq 31 > Request timeout for icmp_seq 32 > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D31 ttl=3D58 time=3D2738.300 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D32 ttl=3D58 time=3D1816.987 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D33 ttl=3D58 time=3D934.476 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D34 ttl=3D58 time=3D204.337 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D35 ttl=3D58 time=3D579.382 ms > 64 bytes from 173.194.33.38: icmp_seq=3D36 ttl=3D58 time=3D209.256 ms > ^C > $ traceroute google.com > traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using = 173.194.33.41 > traceroute to google.com (173.194.33.41), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets > 1 rtra (130.129.16.2) 211.494 ms 23.713 ms 22.192 ms > 2 206.108.220.56 (206.108.220.56) 93.770 ms 6.593 ms 2.108 ms > 3 75.154.216.250 (75.154.216.250) 7.548 ms 7.956 ms 5.164 ms > 4 * * * > 5 209.85.249.34 (209.85.249.34) 9.744 ms 7.257 ms 6.596 ms > 6 209.85.253.26 (209.85.253.26) 9.244 ms 6.171 ms 5.655 ms > 7 sea09s02-in-f9.1e100.net (173.194.33.41) 8.826 ms 7.414 ms 8.171 = ms > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From johnl@taugh.com Thu Aug 2 10:13:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C70121E80D2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nbsjGkhi6vVy for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 2 Aug 2012 17:13:10 -0000 Date: 2 Aug 2012 10:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Stig Venaas" In-Reply-To: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> References: <501AAC48.8020608@cisco.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:13:37 -0000 > It works for me, although I had to try to authenticate a handful > of times before getting it accepted. Same here. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From ole@cisco.com Thu Aug 2 10:35:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F4411E8186 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDgSKE4nInr4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB4621E8104 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=3188; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343928957; x=1345138557; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=hG6i5iNO5Y610wHn9GN/BdmNQykoPxRkQAN9aIrcExk=; b=FdM7OzsL2o8dUh/dC+MrE73F0v6J7HchzrhrR89qy9Me6JmUgidTQ1MK c5JWv3Apn7cRDe9iM5BEHvglyCuQK37vbB6QpE/EAZs9+MoCCoqe6gTjQ 8HT4m0Y0zwu4LW/j6MtXOXlFy4xM6HkmsUi0F1Wyd9wRffWc6dl2M5u7S 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EALK5GlCrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABCA7kZgQeCIAEBAQQBAQEJBgECWQsQCxguIQYwBhMihW+BbQMLDJxlg0gQkyINiU6KY2cag0mDIQOITYsngmeER4UvA4MagQRign+BPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,702,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="53890087" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 17:35:56 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72HZtPw003458; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:35:55 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Bede McCall In-Reply-To: <501AB2B9.2040103@mitre.org> Message-ID: References: , <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <501AB145.8040906@freedesktop.org> <501AB2B9.2040103@mitre.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1510952034-1343928960=:2626" Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:35:58 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1510952034-1343928960=:2626 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Do let the NOC folks know, please! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, Bede McCall wrote: > ... and the problem appears to reside entirely in the hotel portal. They're > trying to resolve your room number for possible billing. That operation is > failing after some (appears to be variable) number of attempts. > > --Bede McCall > > On 8/2/2012 12:56 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > > On 08/02/2012 09:49 AM, PETRESCU Alexandru wrote: > > > In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out of > > > it and into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens if > > > I plug it into the laptop instead... > > > > > You still are captured by the portal, and your DNS is blocked and you > > have to use the proxy. > > - Jim > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alexandru Petrescu, > > > Ingenieur Chercheur, > > > DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC > > > CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, > > > Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4 > > > tel : +33(0)169089223 > > > alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr > > > http://www-list.cea.fr > > > http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA) > > > http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg > > > > > > Messages cités pour référence (si rien alors fin de message) : > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *De :* 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de > > > la part de Hervé Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr] > > > *Date d'envoi :* jeudi 2 août 2012 18:45 > > > *À :* Hui Deng > > > *Cc :* 84attendees@ietf.org > > > *Objet :* Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 > > > days > > > > > > > > > On 2 août 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: > > > > > > > unfortunatelly > > > Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since > > > yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. > > > -- > > > H. PRIGENT > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 84attendees mailing list > > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 84attendees mailing list > > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > _______________________________________________ > > 84attendees mailing list > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > --0-1510952034-1343928960=:2626-- From carlesgo@entel.upc.edu Thu Aug 2 10:36:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B618521E80ED for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.080, BAYES_20=-0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2SV0AdvPwaT for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from violet.upc.es (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE3611E8195 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from entelserver.upc.edu (entelserver.upc.es [147.83.39.4]) by violet.upc.es (8.14.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q72HaNCv015214; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:36:23 +0200 Received: from webmail.entel.upc.edu (wireless.upc.edu [147.83.39.6]) by entelserver.upc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7972CBCFF; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:36:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 130.129.18.236 by webmail.entel.upc.edu with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:36:18 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:36:18 +0200 From: "Carles Gomez Montenegro" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Herv=E9_Prigent=22?= User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21-1.fc14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mail-Scanned: Criba 2.0 + Clamd X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:36:23 +0200 (CEST) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:36:30 -0000 > I can't even have access to the authentication page. Same here. Carles From amreesh@afrinic.net Thu Aug 2 10:48:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D1B11E81B6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8cJ1AowK-xho for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.jnb.afrinic.net (mx.jnb.afrinic.net [IPv6:2001:42d0:0:410::142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103B011E81B2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jnb.afrinic.net (mail.jnb.afrinic.net [IPv6:2001:42d0:0:410::141]) by mx.jnb.afrinic.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q72Hlupg078544; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:47:56 GMT (envelope-from amreesh@afrinic.net) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:226:bbff:fe1b:5789] ([IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:226:bbff:fe1b:5789]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.jnb.afrinic.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q72HlkEt075407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:47:50 GMT (envelope-from amreesh@afrinic.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Amreesh Phokeer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:47:45 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <359712E2-5650-42CC-94FC-D692676D4DCE@afrinic.net> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> To: Carles Gomez Montenegro X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Herv=E9_Prigent=22?= , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:48:14 -0000 Try this access code: wallcentre10 On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: >> I can't even have access to the authentication page. > > Same here. > > Carles > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees -- Amreesh From jrmii@isc.org Thu Aug 2 10:49:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AC611E81C6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrmii@isc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Jim Martin In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:50:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: , <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <501AB145.8040906@freedesktop.org> <501AB2B9.2040103@mitre.org> To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Bede McCall Subject: Re: [84attendees] RE : No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:49:55 -0000 Ole and all, Before the meeting arrived the NOC and the Secretariat worked = with the Sheraton to try to prepare for the IETF's arrival. This largely = meant they increased the bandwidth allocation to the guest rooms.=20 Unfortunately, as many of you are seeing, we often manage to = overwhelm their infrastructure gear, in particular the gateway box they = use for NAT, access control, etc. We're trying to work with their team = to improve the situation, but the problem may not be realistically = solvable in the remaining meeting time.=20 As always, we focus our attention on the headquarters hotel for = network augmentation, and give the overflow hotels as much warning as = possible.=20 - Jim On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > Do let the NOC folks know, please! >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, Bede McCall wrote: >=20 >> ... and the problem appears to reside entirely in the hotel portal. = They're >> trying to resolve your room number for possible billing. That = operation is >> failing after some (appears to be variable) number of attempts. >>=20 >> --Bede McCall >>=20 >> On 8/2/2012 12:56 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: >>> On 08/02/2012 09:49 AM, PETRESCU Alexandru wrote: >>>> In my room there is an RJ45 and a blue Ethernet cable popping out = of >>>> it and into what looks like an Access Point - I wonder what happens = if >>>> I plug it into the laptop instead... >>>>=20 >>> You still are captured by the portal, and your DNS is blocked and = you >>> have to use the proxy. >>> - Jim >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Alexandru Petrescu, >>>> Ingenieur Chercheur, >>>> DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC >>>> CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, >>>> Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4 >>>> tel : +33(0)169089223 >>>> alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr >>>> http://www-list.cea.fr >>>> http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA) >>>> http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg >>>>=20 >>>> Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de message) = : >>>> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *De :* 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = de >>>> la part de Herv=E9 Prigent [herve.prigent@crihan.fr] >>>> *Date d'envoi :* jeudi 2 ao=FBt 2012 18:45 >>>> *=C0 :* Hui Deng >>>> *Cc :* 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> *Objet :* Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel = for 2 >>>> days >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 18:34, Hui Deng wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> unfortunatelly >>>> Same thing. They gave me a passcode which worked at fist, but since >>>> yesterday I can't even have access to the authentication page. >>>> -- >>>> H. PRIGENT >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ghanwani@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:52:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FB411E81B2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNWsIQrRa1AI for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1208A11E8142 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so735551vbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GV+aRhLOD4zy2FaCt5qDbO8ctZfRPACOpous0GW71ZQ=; b=HecsQdfk4TKoLmyFxfjzFrE/+CXnTamfyXlRbnS08Mf6kX7qoVZWPHbJvHV60EDQcl arHF4quXScuRcDYz5OwWPx8c5U+ksdAWsSOfuDYvvtTyQFyJcj8e7ojw6GX/kcwVsKKW mkYjGcBuokm18mMkuEJc0GxYIo37XQWkOmADTit5azrGhotR2dXK5BJiUFYgHPDa6Vc/ e//mlb96QeNccXJtRmQijsIX0Maw7kIKGnFcTL0ZN0JjA2PwbT82kr64go9QVwTPpb6E TbQHZ2z3SDSyClqtOlqwrVWn3KY+e4SurGQHS2t7J/2oJvkC2fAvFdrGEoUdGGKnSThm 8+1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.221.5 with SMTP id qa5mr9901935vec.59.1343929930486; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ghanwani@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.51.199 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <359712E2-5650-42CC-94FC-D692676D4DCE@afrinic.net> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <359712E2-5650-42CC-94FC-D692676D4DCE@afrinic.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Il2_LPgt_kP5tA8sML2z4-0-S7U Message-ID: From: Anoop Ghanwani To: Amreesh Phokeer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?B?IkhlcnbpIFByaWdlbnQi?= , Carles Gomez Montenegro , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:52:12 -0000 I had problems with this on Tuesday night. Problems persisted Wednesday I was given a code to use (wallcentre12). That has been working fine for my laptop (Windows). It worked fine with my iPhone earlier, but since yesterday evening, I do not even get the authentication page on my iPhone. But at least it works on my laptop. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Amreesh Phokeer wrote: > Try this access code: > > wallcentre10 > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: > >>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >> >> Same here. >> >> Carles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > -- > Amreesh > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From turners@ieca.com Thu Aug 2 10:53:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2190711E81D3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.06 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.539, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KklxkfIjMFNx for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1743.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (dhcp-2594.meeting.ietf.org) [209.20.186.192]:51950 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IxNzQzLmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:53:50 -0000 +1 On 8/2/12 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: >> I can't even have access to the authentication page. > > Same here. > > Carles > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From ole@cisco.com Thu Aug 2 10:55:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D6111E81CF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Sorry, I was actually replying to the WRONG message. I meant to remind people that issues relating to the VENUE and HQ hotel network should be directed to the NOC, not messages about overflow hotels. Apologies for the confusion, have not had my coffee yet, will correct now! Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, Jim Martin wrote: > Ole and all, > Before the meeting arrived the NOC and the Secretariat worked > with the Sheraton to try to prepare for the IETF's arrival. > This largely meant they increased the bandwidth allocation to > the guest rooms. > > Unfortunately, as many of you are seeing, we often manage to > overwhelm their infrastructure gear, in particular the gateway > box they use for NAT, access control, etc. We're trying to > work with their team to improve the situation, but the problem > may not be realistically solvable in the remaining meeting > time. > > As always, we focus our attention on the headquarters hotel > for network augmentation, and give the overflow hotels as much > warning as possible. > > - Jim > From ghanwani@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:55:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10D111E81D7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.925 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.925 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYTiaQ8cxdG9 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB11811E81DC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so9205719vcb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W6wxgHbXFWqK7dXx6dWmRt2nZnasPdtUQ0RjZe+YuHI=; b=pwDXdLjJZ+nUH+U9HZ3slMbIMNI+MvEH9/XMpOrn0LBDprDI0rzWrqmpbsJVDvkTj+ 83uAO64Ci0Z/5ADDesuSbMqiHV+PpER1Xfic8tRINXMnAioNsVJkDtyyp7RbYTG3Azq/ szOPYhTl/lSBbn6NIsvbjjpCigSbfSroh42ucLXwT4j/u+bcewaBx2XwFauLMtnVjGY+ MQbQs488s5tS9nl9wF9bAJyK7jeKAicjH6waUqGKj9IgtBwVO59d1pHp0d6BeiYVqYNu H1483JoZ5Gnvf4unKjISUvwfx8QHpdeDt/RPqXXWHKkyPx9e3LP0zWoUZ4u8WF8X6uPk sYRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.15 with SMTP id z15mr20728273vco.36.1343930127325; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ghanwani@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.51.199 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <501ABEA7.5020303@ieca.com> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <501ABEA7.5020303@ieca.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:55:27 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7dpIqp4_Yedbt-FBSLC2wHaf53E Message-ID: From: Anoop Ghanwani To: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:55:29 -0000 Windows, MAC OS, iOS, ? It works for me on Windows, but not on the iPhone. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Sean Turner wrote: > +1 > > On 8/2/12 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: >>> >>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >> >> >> Same here. >> >> Carles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From herve.prigent@crihan.fr Thu Aug 2 10:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0EF11E81E2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXADgL9UukBa for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-smtp-a.crihan.fr (mail-smtp-vip-a.crihan.fr [IPv6:2001:660:7401:211::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE43911E81DC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::8:282b:cdd3:f7d9:1063] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:8:282b:cdd3:f7d9:1063]) by mail-smtp-a.crihan.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC885FBD3; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:59:03 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_Prigent?= In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:59:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5259363A-1B2D-42F6-A1BD-45875514707D@crihan.fr> References: <078B7BFA-9F22-4A7B-8D9E-252E75924A7E@crihan.fr> <501ABEA7.5020303@ieca.com> To: Anoop Ghanwani X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:59:09 -0000 On 2 ao=FBt 2012, at 19:55, Anoop Ghanwani = wrote: > Windows, MAC OS, iOS, ? >=20 Not working on My MacBook Air Mac OS 10.8 (cannot access auth page on = portal). Was working yesterday on my iPhone (OS5) but not working any more = (portal auth page appears but no code or login credential is accepted). -- Herv=E9 From prvs=15613c5ed6=aallen@rim.com Thu Aug 2 11:12:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183E011E81FE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aq7suNgjRtTE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhs060cnc.rim.net (mhs060cnc.rim.net [208.65.73.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18711E81F9 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 0a41282f-b7fb66d000005156-94-501ac2f3bfd4 Received: from XCT104ADS.rim.net (xct104ads.rim.net [10.67.111.45]) by mhs060cnc.rim.net (SBG) with SMTP id 6C.09.20822.3F2CA105; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XMB105ADS.rim.net ([fe80::c47b:e609:558:1b44]) by XCT104ADS.rim.net ([fe80::90f9:3b89:1d94:aa9b%22]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:12:02 -0500 From: Andrew Allen To: "anoop@alumni.duke.edu" , "amreesh@afrinic.net" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Thread-Index: AQHNcMyy1gZ7NhjbTECRvydynPzwO5dHDrGAgAAOLACAAAMzgIAAATwA//+xuAA= Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.67.110.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrIKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXC5Zyvq/v5kFSAwb1WSYs59y+wWExZ84bR Yu9xN4uD276zWnz9NJ/VgdVj6m0zjy0n0z3Ob7/O5nH/4ANmjyVLfjIFsEY1MNokJZaUBWem 5+nb2STm5eWXJJakKqSkFifbKvmkpifmKAQUZZYlJlcquGQWJ+ckZuamFikpZKbYKpkoKRTk JCan5qbmldgqJRYUpOalKNlxKWAAG6CyzDyF1Lzk/JTMvHRbJc9gf10LC1NLXUMlO92ETp6M WR3rGAsO81Tsm3eYrYHxIFcXIyeHhICJxM6X65kgbDGJC/fWs4HYQgIrGSWezHPrYuQCsjcz Svx8DVHEJqAssfz3DMYuRg4OEYEkiRvvLUFqmAXmMkrsf3ICLC4s4CWxd2MoSLmIgLfE7Ybl LBC2n8SrBXMYQWwWARWJRQ+fs4GU8wp4SOyZ4AcS5hQIlJi4+TIriM0IdM73U2vAtjILiEvc ejIf6kwBiSV7zjND2KISLx//Y4WwFSWWnTjJBlGvJ3Fj6hQoW1ti2cLXYPW8AoISJ2c+YZnA KDoLydhZSFpmIWmZhaRlASPLKkbB3IxiAzOD5LxkvaLMXL281JJNjKAE4qihv4Px7XuLQ4wC HIxKPLxT9koFCLEmlhVX5h5ilOBgVhLhrVoCFOJNSaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsRoAQyIicxS3Mn5 wOSWVxJvbGCAwlES5xX8Kh4gJJAOTC/ZqakFqUUwrUwcnCCjuaREioFJIrUosbQkIx6UyuKL gclMqoHRMzZjgoNgefFP5X13wr4vXnNVWm9F0GnGg3aSzmbyEiofWX5stFK+tIqT9xv3OdbG sKW1qx93Xf+8a/O1Z4sbehqm7lOvvLnihnFl750bT2+G9i8/4/diAidLbRPXwY3JplpmX9J/ JjvNtFm7jCcsPzT38SzDPeJxl/+ZB23d/aciL3bbxgNSSizFGYmGWsxFxYkAcODXllQDAAA= Cc: "herve.prigent@crihan.fr" , "carlesgo@entel.upc.edu" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:12:05 -0000 Had the same issues. Basically seems completely broken for yesterday eveing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anoop Ghanwani [mailto:anoop@alumni.duke.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:52 PM=0A= To: Amreesh Phokeer Cc: "Herv=E9 Prigent" ; Carles Gomez Montenegro ; 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days I had problems with this on Tuesday night. Problems persisted Wednesday I was given a code to use (wallcentre12). That has been working fine for my laptop (Windows). It worked fine with my iPhone earlier, but since yesterday evening, I do not even get the authentication page on my iPhone. But at least it works on my laptop. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Amreesh Phokeer wrote= : > Try this access code: > > wallcentre10 > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: > >>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >> >> Same here. >> >> Carles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > -- > Amreesh > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential infor= mation, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-c= lient or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information.= Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is= prohibited. 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From jon.hudson@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 11:33:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16B111E822A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mWAfyEYaB34J for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0F211E8229 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so9799824yen.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=aPYYRM/smR9pIiPGEoWJHSqQCiDvkZlI57m0IX8OYqc=; b=U0ZjH6drOITfKaRQxrRT1uUqwpTrp+v/lD/TH1ptzA/E3fjFsNvmf8Im9puOEqngPf dJiYlf2pWXw+NzJetFEzFtOChvrp07v+xDX8Gk/YIhhB83XE6fY7RqDuEcqzHu4tbnKk XXoqjFyNBaR0T0E0/ZkPBmFD977DOYbJBwt1dTitlSEPBFnguMDySX1UFFVE4H+ohs3t vA5CxAEMLHzpqy7B2e4N4RAoErxcs48pYcQC4RbgPZ/b9/bRqIzY1kkSecxZ6t+U30Zd epo0m0VxCQiIum/ZmkqISIt8j0EG1+Bd3uPj613V5K6YubCQt0ibbvWIYOKcwVvvShGt Oxjg== Received: by 10.50.197.168 with SMTP id iv8mr5362661igc.12.1343932396166; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.126] ([64.114.255.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm18052031igc.7.2012.08.02.11.33.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:33:15 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <7FA57C26-1F5A-44F9-B274-374DEFABA138@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jon Hudson Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:33:13 -0700 To: Andrew Allen Cc: "herve.prigent@crihan.fr" , "anoop@alumni.duke.edu" , "carlesgo@entel.upc.edu" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "amreesh@afrinic.net" Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:33:17 -0000 I had to call up the support line and have them manual add my mac addrs for m= y 3 devices on Tuesday night because suddenly it would not authenticate me.=20= Been working ever since....if at a rather sad transfer rate... On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Andrew Allen wrote: >=20 > Had the same issues. Basically seems completely broken for yesterday evein= g. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anoop Ghanwani [mailto:anoop@alumni.duke.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:52 PM > To: Amreesh Phokeer > Cc: "Herv=C3=A9 Prigent" ; Carles Gomez Montenegr= o ; 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days= >=20 > I had problems with this on Tuesday night. > Problems persisted Wednesday I was given > a code to use (wallcentre12). That has been > working fine for my laptop (Windows). >=20 > It worked fine with my iPhone earlier, but > since yesterday evening, I do not even get > the authentication page on my iPhone. But at > least it works on my laptop. >=20 > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Amreesh Phokeer wro= te: >> Try this access code: >>=20 >> wallcentre10 >>=20 >> On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: >>=20 >>>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >>>=20 >>> Same here. >>>=20 >>> Carles >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 >> -- >> Amreesh >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential inf= ormation, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor= -client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public informatio= n. 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Use,= dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by uninte= nded recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From yaakov_s@rad.com Thu Aug 2 11:56:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6F311E816B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5iOUd1Kmn3g for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rad.co.il (mailrelay01-q.rad.co.il [80.74.100.150]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CBB11E8104 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Internal Mail-Server by MailRelay01 (envelope-from yaakov?s@rad.com) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 21:33:55 +0300 Received: from EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.28]) by EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.28]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:55:30 +0300 From: Yaakov Stein To: Andrew Allen , "anoop@alumni.duke.edu" , "amreesh@afrinic.net" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Thread-Index: AQHNcMy2r8dH/1cFZk+7Tk6YZuL33ZdGiJWAgAAOLACAAAMzgIAAATwAgAAFi4CAAD5N4A== Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:55:30 +0000 Message-ID: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90452D287@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [207.232.33.112] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Commtouch-Refid: str=0001.0A020209.501ACD23.0055,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: "herve.prigent@crihan.fr" , "carlesgo@entel.upc.edu" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:56:00 -0000 worked fine for me. but with the access code provided by concierge - not wi= th my name and room number -----Original Message----- From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Andrew Allen Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 21:12 To: anoop@alumni.duke.edu; amreesh@afrinic.net Cc: herve.prigent@crihan.fr; carlesgo@entel.upc.edu; 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days Had the same issues. Basically seems completely broken for yesterday eveing= . ----- Original Message ----- From: Anoop Ghanwani [mailto:anoop@alumni.duke.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:52 PM To: Amreesh Phokeer Cc: "Herv=E9 Prigent" ; Carles Gomez Montenegro ; 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days I had problems with this on Tuesday night. Problems persisted Wednesday I was given a code to use (wallcentre12). That has been working fine for my laptop (Windows). It worked fine with my iPhone earlier, but since yesterday evening, I do not even get the authentication page on my iPhone. But at least it works on my laptop. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Amreesh Phokeer wrot= e: > Try this access code: > > wallcentre10 > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: > >>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >> >> Same here. >> >> Carles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > -- > Amreesh > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential info= rmation, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor= -client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public informati= on. 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If you have received this transmission in error, please imm= ediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. = Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by u= nintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From mcr@sandelman.ca Thu Aug 2 13:16:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457311E80F4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhnYNpyR7urz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD76211E8072 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:3a60:77ff:fe38:e647]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C747C2016C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:29:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.5; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:16:35 -0000 huh, so I had the same problem, tried to phone, but got nothing. Fortunately, I'm not roaming and have unlimited data, so I put up my own wifi. They should have just turned off the "authenticator" From turners@ieca.com Thu Aug 2 13:18:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9833021E80DC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.97 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.97 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.295, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZxbfctK1waf for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [67.18.80.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF5711E8108 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 32217D2115D6D; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:18:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator1743.hostgator.com (gator1743.hostgator.com [184.173.253.227]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2752CD2115D4C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:18:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.20.186.192] (port=52342 helo=thunderfish.local) by gator1743.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sx1qe-00011K-6v for 84attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <501AE088.2030306@ieca.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:18:16 -0700 From: Sean Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> References: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90452D287@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> In-Reply-To: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90452D287@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1743.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (thunderfish.local) [209.20.186.192]:52342 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IxNzQzLmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:18:21 -0000 Just grabbed the password from the concierge and it works now. spt On 8/2/12 11:55 AM, Yaakov Stein wrote: > worked fine for me. but with the access code provided by concierge - not with my name and room number > > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Allen > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 21:12 > To: anoop@alumni.duke.edu; amreesh@afrinic.net > Cc: herve.prigent@crihan.fr; carlesgo@entel.upc.edu; 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days > > > Had the same issues. Basically seems completely broken for yesterday eveing. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anoop Ghanwani [mailto:anoop@alumni.duke.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:52 PM > To: Amreesh Phokeer > Cc: "Hervé Prigent" ; Carles Gomez Montenegro ; 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days > > I had problems with this on Tuesday night. > Problems persisted Wednesday I was given > a code to use (wallcentre12). That has been > working fine for my laptop (Windows). > > It worked fine with my iPhone earlier, but > since yesterday evening, I do not even get > the authentication page on my iPhone. But at > least it works on my laptop. > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Amreesh Phokeer wrote: >> Try this access code: >> >> wallcentre10 >> >> On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote: >> >>>> I can't even have access to the authentication page. >>> >>> Same here. >>> >>> Carles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> >> -- >> Amreesh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. 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Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From superuser@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:08:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4D511E8185 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3baYn4NKH2q for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3411E8120 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so38685lah.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gYgsDxxXibiMGY5bzK6STT0u41DmZa7R4h71FHLbRwA=; b=DzKCHI2Uk/Xo/x3KGs3KWykL7EjeJ2eJVXDiB9Yds++eFOXiTwXS5pgy9rm5sJDHgM GJAVEfXdEWOXW/5kYewcAdthMmVPlAP8Uli30X0iVxmXichXR3NtH2ryCiroizmkjxEs 8puGHKt0/sDyWgm/RkpkkdDvyVghQVXoZXTQqpVkp9EIp8NIDqmMwbgyc+3e0wqbuxCx GQWgZDT0/MTQuF5JNBRutDzlRarXaTyegoD3yM5kI6o5y0G6gUjAOGZ1803eZcNUY8K4 4ziTw5Q/25nS3SQ8nplUTLyBSG6AJZnWnYnmOpS/L2UxHr8Y5RqSJxKmAY3Yp8qT0OkE 1ilQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.198 with SMTP id s6mr10179184lby.76.1343948917620; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.89.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E18280C-53B8-4888-889A-41944A7639B3@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: Pier Luca Montessoro Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016b23d4c2d304c6507d00 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] bike rental? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:08:39 -0000 --f46d04016b23d4c2d304c6507d00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Pier Luca Montessoro wrote: > > > There is one down in the convention centre, just by the > > water. It seems a bit expensive though. > > I agree. Moreover, you cannot keep the bike for more than one day. > > > Otherwise there are > > plenty of them down on Denman St. by Stanley Park. > > Spokes (1798 Georgia St.) has good bikes but is still expensive. My choice > is Bayshore Bike Rentals (745 Denman st.): 1 day 29.80, 2 days 47.80, 3 63, > 4 78, then +10/day. Open 9am-9pm. > > My family rented bikes and kid carriers from Spokes on Saturday. They were quick and the quality of everything was good but the price was a bit of a surprise. You get what you pay for, I guess. But I'd go there again on a future visit. -MSK --f46d04016b23d4c2d304c6507d00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Pier Luca Montessoro <= ;montessoro@uniud.= it> wrote:

> There is one down in the convention centre, just by the
> water. It seems a bit expensive though.

I agree. Moreover, you cannot keep the bike for more than one day.

> Otherwise there are
> plenty of them down on Denman St. by Stanley Park.

Spokes (1798 Georgia St.) has good bikes but is still expensive. My c= hoice
is Bayshore Bike Rentals (745 Denman st.): 1 day 29.80, 2 days 47.80, 3 63,=
4 78, then +10/day. Open 9am-9pm.


My family rented bikes and kid carriers from Spok= es on Saturday.=A0 They were quick and the quality of everything was good b= ut the price was a bit of a surprise.=A0 You get what you pay for, I guess.= =A0 But I'd go there again on a future visit.

-MSK

--f46d04016b23d4c2d304c6507d00-- From superuser@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:10:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6BF11E819F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id inXW6Vnzquy4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8131F11E8185 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so39384lah.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:10:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UKUO+fmn7xA5bBgck7p7PRgYUAXfR0hxh2zN2o9eB9w=; b=aeiLOTDZAtuO4j06zvtu1cmMlvEQZD/fNJPp18sBLi522Qw7Y05lmDMpMP9Ai1jzP8 aLHHN1SLCYd5orJADBSHvvQPBrbC3RESGnhRG7CXBF7scht9nRcfeihvqHplDAlCqlVl +nXT5C05oy5LqUyE1Mt3KYJS9lXyL5oEJtw1F2jn36hAxR0ejF6AoMg759wNez5qXdG1 dmafsC79KhqHUfmruHSS++zYdGMjqzs7jFjmb5VuDt3M31qcQTAzmR8WXF25Yz7S5Wh/ dWlbac9IuS9Iffm7Kb+YSOxA6R+Z0aIih7RxawQtzsPDiNOFtsGspRet51uQrIxMfw/4 doSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.9 with SMTP id r9mr10243806lbm.81.1343949035385; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.89.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: Andy Newton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401236fd9b30a04c6508439 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:10:38 -0000 --f46d0401236fd9b30a04c6508439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Andy Newton wrote: > > Odd, I've taken the stairs down several times. It is annoying that you > can't exist on the 3rd and 2nd floors from the stairwell, but the bottom > door into the lobby (right across from the elevators) never set off any > alarms that I know of. > > Dunno what your existential problem is. I've existed periodically on the 2nd and 3rd floors since Sunday. -MSK --f46d0401236fd9b30a04c6508439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Andy Newton <andy@arin.net> wr= ote:

Odd, I've taken the stairs down several times. It is annoying that you = can't exist on the 3rd and 2nd floors from the stairwell, but the botto= m door into the lobby (right across from the elevators) never set off any a= larms that I know of.


Dunno what your existential problem is.=A0 I've existed per= iodically on the 2nd and 3rd floors since Sunday.

-MSK

--f46d0401236fd9b30a04c6508439-- From superuser@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:12:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B943511E814E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9u6udf2-ASS for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FCD11E819F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so1361011lbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gRvFEG2KjcpWHMBQwgiLcT8PFoFRLmMlC+01eZ4FVP0=; b=Jn/JjIqddtVg4R2V54T/4wkQQ7bD7XpaZYUzCsyPJkWdl9owpoVNFoXDJ4MS2EQAzC AW8JSlP6y5Oq++BikLZtAqlR3y1r6cLyV1E38AuhsOWnxEMOrj96Lskm1xka4Qw1IfY3 zPQaCv2gnsKMjAddwK9FttzSowHOmlkdG9BZHmMBPk1Rp+rS1dR/SGky8r4o2rR0du37 kEqn50RHzMyiJoD/HRM5UrapHLPy2a60605MSJHw0IUadbK68b1a91JGRhaC+nBhJeOW dgbcvJ7/uqR8YvyoLs5yQf/xMDMzk55ELshRVzovg/48b/U7/Lf3P5YLeYl3HGdMVt+Y kw2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.40.231 with SMTP id a7mr944420lbl.67.1343949125761; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.89.3 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "Kenny Hong (kehong)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7cfe3cbb3a04c6508a15 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:12:07 -0000 --485b390f7cfe3cbb3a04c6508a15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) wrote: > http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ > > > I'd like to point out that this is the second Canadian meeting in a row that had major fireworks shows during. Bravo, IAOC! Please keep it up, at least for all the Canadian venues. -MSK --485b390f7cfe3cbb3a04c6508a15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) <<= a href=3D"mailto:kehong@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">kehong@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:
http://ho= ndacelebrationoflight.com/



I'd like to point out that this is the second= Canadian meeting in a row that had major fireworks shows during.=A0 Bravo,= IAOC!=A0 Please keep it up, at least for all the Canadian venues.

-MSK

--485b390f7cfe3cbb3a04c6508a15-- From andy@arin.net Thu Aug 2 17:30:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFF611E8087 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AAbVTQ8EbvoP for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3A11E80D1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id ADD76165514; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6D6165511; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:29:26 -0400 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.124]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:30:13 -0400 From: Andy Newton To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators Thread-Index: Ac1v/aLjMvR2cCA7R0St4xeH2FnyzAAL+RyAAAA6kAAAPcbAgAACx9QA Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: <11BDEC96-890E-4065-98EE-88B1EC92E344@arin.net> References: <55A5A9A87506CB4BA580BF9D531957DA641979D2@STNTEXCH01.cis.neustar.com> <501968CF.9060502@saloits.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.96] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <8DC43C6BFE57F64CB93478708F42EA18@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Hyatt Elevators X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:30:24 -0000 On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Andy Newton wrote: >=20 > Odd, I've taken the stairs down several times. It is annoying that you ca= n't exist on the 3rd and 2nd floors from the stairwell, but the bottom door= into the lobby (right across from the elevators) never set off any alarms = that I know of. >=20 >=20 > Dunno what your existential problem is. I've existed periodically on the= 2nd and 3rd floors since Sunday. :) Quite a few people existed on the 3rd floor when the ice cream came out. -andy= From avezza@amsl.com Thu Aug 2 17:30:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00F611E80FF; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZBaahhomHpg; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEAB11E80E7; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99E612DD3D; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2yJPh8YroOdi; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-2447.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-2447.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.36.71]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 88D4C12DD33; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Vezza Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:30:26 -0700 Message-Id: To: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org>, 84all@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [84attendees] Glasses Found X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:30:28 -0000 In Regency F on Thursday. Please come to the IETF Registration desk (in = the Balmoral Room) to claim.= From york@isoc.org Thu Aug 2 18:52:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673C521E803A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gx7JasckDva7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp137.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp137.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.137]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E77421E8039 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp30.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 07DF0348604 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:52:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp30.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: york-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id BF2473484F4 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 21:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan York Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_56293515-11D4-4CE2-87DE-000C9FE7903B" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:52:12 -0700 Message-Id: <20D9BEC4-A3FE-4E32-B4C6-CB15BA4F7C31@isoc.org> To: 84attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: [84attendees] Where can you get free beer/wine, free food, cookies, and a table full of Legos? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:52:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_56293515-11D4-4CE2-87DE-000C9FE7903B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ... find out on the 2nd floor of the Hyatt in Plaza A/B behind the = Georgia ball rooms. Doors open at 7pm and go until 9pm. P.S. Come talk to us at the Deploy360 table and we may have special = cookies... ;-)= --Apple-Mail=_56293515-11D4-4CE2-87DE-000C9FE7903B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii ... = find out on the 2nd floor of the Hyatt in Plaza A/B behind the Georgia = ball rooms.

Doors open at 7pm and go until = 9pm.
To: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:31:14 -0400 Thread-Topic: Trip partners this Saturday touring Sea to Sky Highway Thread-Index: Ac1xIAjGlQ+CF4XTQvyJ4ex6cNwqKg== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [84attendees] Trip partners this Saturday touring Sea to Sky Highway X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:31:19 -0000 All, I rented a car for a trip this Saturday to take a road tour along Sea to Sk= y Highway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Highway_99). I am= planning to go to Squamish (along the way), and take a ferry from Horsesho= e bay to Langdale (http://www.bcferries.com/schedules/mainland/vasc-current= .php). It is a whole day trip. I was told the view is stunning. =20 I have space for a couple of people who are willing to share the driving du= ties, and who are safe drivers :) Please let me know privately if you are = interested. =20 =20 Best regards, Ning So From smb@cs.columbia.edu Thu Aug 2 23:16:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7290611E809B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h6TXF8-ZfKH1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salak.cc.columbia.edu (salak.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8600011E809A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-43cd.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-43cd.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.67.205]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by salak.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q736Gbhw029234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 02:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:16:37 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> To: Brian Campbell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.6 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:16:40 -0000 Very nice! My only good shot is at = https://plus.google.com/104851702391844555696/posts/gRShCH3CFRT (taken from the 34th Floor lounge) On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: > A few photos of the fireworks last night: >=20 > http://flic.kr/p/cJz4R7 > http://flic.kr/p/cJyS5S > http://flic.kr/p/cJyY6Q >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy = wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> I'd like to point out that this is the second Canadian meeting in a = row that >> had major fireworks shows during. Bravo, IAOC! Please keep it up, = at least >> for all the Canadian venues. >>=20 >> -MSK >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From Sandra.Murphy@sparta.com Fri Aug 3 06:19:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29A21F8DA2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:19:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqNbb7YOIHn7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from M4.sparta.com (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C4821F8D9E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q73DJJgY010358; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:19:20 -0500 Received: from Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.80.107]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q73DJJLM021678; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:19:19 -0500 Received: from HERMES.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([fe80::e4a8:a383:2128:c0e5]) by Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([fe80::e4a8:a383:2128:c0e5%21]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:19:25 -0400 From: "Murphy, Sandra" To: Steven Bellovin , Brian Campbell Thread-Topic: Sheraton room bill & Internet fee Thread-Index: AQHNcXqZNirK6Y+pBUqngNkGA+5GPQ== Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:19:24 +0000 Message-ID: <24B20D14B2CD29478C8D5D6E9CBB29F625F49BCB@Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.185.63.137] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [84attendees] Sheraton room bill & Internet fee X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:19:30 -0000 The IETF rate at the Sheraton includes the internet (such as it was). But = my advance copy showed the fee for the internet. They are happy to correct= the problem without fuss ("I'm sorry, we did not catch that, there have be= en a few..."), but.=0A= =0A= Do remember to check.=0A= =0A= --Sandy=0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf= of Steven Bellovin [smb@cs.columbia.edu]=0A= Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:16 AM=0A= To: Brian Campbell=0A= Cc: 84attendees=0A= Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay=0A= =0A= Very nice! My only good shot is at https://plus.google.com/104851702391844= 555696/posts/gRShCH3CFRT=0A= (taken from the 34th Floor lounge)=0A= =0A= On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Brian Campbell wrote:=0A= =0A= > A few photos of the fireworks last night:=0A= >=0A= > http://flic.kr/p/cJz4R7=0A= > http://flic.kr/p/cJyS5S=0A= > http://flic.kr/p/cJyY6Q=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy = wrote:=0A= >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) = =0A= >> wrote:=0A= >>>=0A= >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/=0A= >>>=0A= >>>=0A= >>=0A= >> I'd like to point out that this is the second Canadian meeting in a row = that=0A= >> had major fireworks shows during. Bravo, IAOC! Please keep it up, at l= east=0A= >> for all the Canadian venues.=0A= >>=0A= >> -MSK=0A= >>=0A= >>=0A= >> _______________________________________________=0A= >> 84attendees mailing list=0A= >> 84attendees@ietf.org=0A= >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees=0A= >>=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > 84attendees mailing list=0A= > 84attendees@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees=0A= >=0A= =0A= =0A= --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= 84attendees mailing list=0A= 84attendees@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees=0A= From alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr Fri Aug 3 06:25:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581F321F8DA4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.883 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.883 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.365, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3iouOGD-ezG for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C9B21F8D8E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id q73DOpn7024558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:24:51 +0200 Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q73DOoSH030463; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:24:51 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr) Received: from excah-b0.intra.cea.fr (excah-b0.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.85]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id q73DOojD030344; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:24:50 +0200 Received: from EXDAG0-B3.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::d0da:1b48:7560:ee73]) by excah-b0.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::7542:b9de:5cc1:f613%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:24:50 +0200 From: PETRESCU Alexandru To: "Murphy, Sandra" , Steven Bellovin , Brian Campbell Thread-Topic: Sheraton room bill & Internet fee Thread-Index: Ac1xe1TKB3G8RnS7Q66oeSF2rz6HFg== Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:24:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1F58F917-CE85-4565-AC5C-5B6FA933E719@mimectl> References: <24B20D14B2CD29478C8D5D6E9CBB29F625F49BCB@Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com> In-Reply-To: <24B20D14B2CD29478C8D5D6E9CBB29F625F49BCB@Hermes.columbia.ads.sparta.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mimectl: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V14.1.218.12 x-originating-ip: [132.167.194.4] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.0.0.4211-6.800.1017-19082.000 x-tm-as-result: No--37.097100-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="_037DE63D-C630-4D4F-A4A0-AFB1F1C52353_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [84attendees] RE : Sheraton room bill & Internet fee X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:25:02 -0000 --_037DE63D-C630-4D4F-A4A0-AFB1F1C52353_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B200EEXDAG0B3intrace_" --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B200EEXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To my surprise I find also included in the bill this morning=20 "Hi-band Internet" 21.22 even though when I checked in she said this was part of package! and that I called Monday and asked specifically what was my room rate and s= he confirmed 175cad taxes included (no Hi-band Internet fees). I hope that when I check out they correct the problem without fuss. -- Alexandru Petrescu,=20 Ingenieur Chercheur,=20 DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC=20 CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4=20 tel : +33(0)169089223=20 alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr=20 http://www-list.cea.fr=20 http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA)=20 http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg=20 Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de message) :=20 -- Alexandru Petrescu,=20 Ingenieur Chercheur,=20 DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC=20 CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov, Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4=20 tel : +33(0)169089223=20 alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr=20 http://www-list.cea.fr=20 http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der (Certificate Authority CEA)=20 http://petrescu.fr/photo.jpg=20 Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de message) :=20 --_000_8CE07A420A82D34BBFE03C3318B82677036B200EEXDAG0B3intrace_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To my surprise I find also included in the bill this morning

"Hi-band Internet" 21.22

even though when I checked in she said this was part of package!

and that I called Monday and asked specifically what was my room ra= te and she confirmed 175cad taxes included (no Hi-band Internet fees).

 

I hope that when I check out they correct the problem without fuss.

 

--
Alexandru Petrescu,
Ingenieur Chercheur,
DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC
CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov,
Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4
tel : +33(0)169089223 <= BR>alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr
http://www-l= ist.cea.fr
http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der= (Certificate Authority CEA)
http://petrescu.fr/photo.= jpg

Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de m= essage) :

 

 

--
Alexandru Petrescu,
Ingenieur Chercheur,
DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC
CEA a Saclay, Nano-Innov,
Bat 862 pe 22, video http://is010446-4
tel : +33(0)169089223 <= BR>alexandru.petrescu@cea.fr
http://www-l= ist.cea.fr
http://petrescu.fr/CEA_AC_Racine.der= (Certificate Authority CEA)
http://petrescu.fr/photo.= jpg

Messages cit=E9s pour r=E9f=E9rence (si rien alors fin de m= essage) :
X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD921F8E02 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rclBXroLIS5R for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FB721F8DFE for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so938221vcb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:48:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+VBH9+SPkY3pSdxyP4zxyyQbLzTs4lBvqdERpqeFBjA=; b=WZmNsI7HuaegHe6jJajwjBVAZk4Jnub9mObizQBjolbOKkuRKWBhHXI9opmDwA92zc PDgimifxRCuXFEcZnGt+yaQkAOcyt0y2v48QMuImVtggx9MYyZWp78eoRnDZHz0SerRo VB9CPmw/EG9kcrdiZFpXQY9jcd4mNHa6f6YKrE5GJQAlP59qfeyAU6E//wIU9j4C4LpV xbldvYry8CLHVbEXFgMeyJWO6DjsGF6EgI7E32log3AwITV8W2UZuzhl6AUgzeQ8sA7E YKIKIkUOs+lL0EkzxZabLeeWGOAy3bAaRLy+U/40/41z/c55ZiBocLvdmhi71RBNzJtH SO4w== Received: by 10.52.75.99 with SMTP id b3mr1451986vdw.75.1344008896648; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:48:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.199 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Brim Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:47:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [84attendees] share taxi early Saturday X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:48:18 -0000 I'd like to be in a taxi at/by 4:20am Saturday morning. Would anyone like to share? Scott From alexander.mayrhofer@nic.at Fri Aug 3 09:13:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A675E21F8E2E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTWWnMe9jJFA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (mail.sbg.nic.at [83.136.33.227]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837E821F8E30 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nics-exch.sbg.nic.at ([10.17.175.3]) by mail.sbg.nic.at over TLS secured channel (TLSv1/SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) with XWall v3.47 ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:13:01 +0200 Received: from NICS-EXCH.sbg.nic.at ([fe80::486:1ecc:eabc:531e]) by NICS-EXCH.sbg.nic.at ([fe80::486:1ecc:eabc:531e%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:12:56 +0200 From: Alexander Mayrhofer To: "'84attendees' (84attendees@ietf.org)" <84attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Victoria on the weekend.. Thread-Index: Ac1xkqEyx6owgx0IQ0iBylkEHMWKgw== Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:12:56 +0000 Message-ID: <19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075096ABB48@NICS-EXCH.sbg.nic.at> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.17.175.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075096ABB48NICSEXCHsbgnica_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-XWALL-BCKS: auto Subject: [84attendees] Victoria on the weekend.. X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:13:04 -0000 --_000_19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075096ABB48NICSEXCHsbgnica_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm flying out to Victoria this afternoon, and will be there until Tuesday.= Assuming that other IETFers might be going as well, i'm happy to meet up f= or activities in Vic.. I'm planning to go scuba diving, but would also love= to do a cycling tour. Alex --_000_19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075096ABB48NICSEXCHsbgnica_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m flying out to Victoria this afternoon, and= will be there until Tuesday. Assuming that other IETFers might be going as= well, i’m happy to meet up for activities in Vic.. I’m plannin= g to go scuba diving, but would also love to do a cycling tour.

 

Alex

 

--_000_19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075096ABB48NICSEXCHsbgnica_-- From bector.online@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 09:39:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5501C21F8E26 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d+enZld2Q0HC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2512C21F8DD2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so645946wib.13 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=q5bbN0G5exWR2dGV+x/1vjIkgtI+N5h7OnARI3GPyYw=; b=B1rtaz4OarPrX52G7mdTf0UH01XunSJS07C+nafqac/FaWT48Z3Rg8TnFKDiGEO3d8 t0ikWZI2jMK1a3vNske4vcXWKqwAKbOAL1uwPfoQEDzPR5EkWfEfAudvYP6G+YJQ1oQo 9Tdkef5BbNdzPzMG4ojaWVZqLLTARlQqbqTRxnhPWOY6F7uY5v/6CotS4rg5nqznpFWg 4CYPtr8zFDlql7RnJOdbGtpfiBorrL5xGeyXAZDzIIx95gngmeOW1WOSaVzlyOVfolze t3ZovBjNTWEbqMgt06Do3Y/vQeVZB0TihGzeE06SMotuhj4p5uTNQlcsujXn4mbeKViK w1+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.233.95 with SMTP id o73mr1254975weq.59.1344011959078; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.44.34 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:39:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rajeev Bector To: Steven Bellovin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4841a650fa704c65f2b41 Cc: Brian Campbell , 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:39:21 -0000 --000e0cd4841a650fa704c65f2b41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fireworks were pretty cool with the music sync and all that. I almost didnt go there.. thinking yet another july 4th type fireworks. Some of my shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bector/sets/72157630885684454/ Rajeev On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > Very nice! My only good shot is at > https://plus.google.com/104851702391844555696/posts/gRShCH3CFRT > (taken from the 34th Floor lounge) > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Brian Campbell wrote: > > > A few photos of the fireworks last night: > > > > http://flic.kr/p/cJz4R7 > > http://flic.kr/p/cJyS5S > > http://flic.kr/p/cJyY6Q > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/ > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I'd like to point out that this is the second Canadian meeting in a row > that > >> had major fireworks shows during. Bravo, IAOC! Please keep it up, at > least > >> for all the Canadian venues. > >> > >> -MSK > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 84attendees mailing list > >> 84attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > 84attendees mailing list > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > > > > --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > --000e0cd4841a650fa704c65f2b41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fireworks were pretty cool with the music sync and all that. I almost didnt= go there.. thinking yet another july 4th type fireworks.

Some of my shots.


Rajeev


On = Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Steven Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu&g= t; wrote:
Very nice! =A0My only good shot is at https://plus.google.com/104851702391844555696/posts/gRShCH3CFR= T
(taken from the 34th Floor lounge)

On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Brian Campbell wrote:

> A few photos of the fireworks last night:
>
> http://flic.kr/p= /cJz4R7
> http://flic.kr/p= /cJyS5S
> http://flic.kr/p= /cJyY6Q
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Kenny Hong (kehong) <kehong@cisco.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://hondacelebrationoflight.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to point out that this is the second Canadian meeting= in a row that
>> had major fireworks shows during. =A0Bravo, IAOC! =A0Please keep i= t up, at least
>> for all the Canadian venues.
>>
>> -MSK
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 84attendees mailing list
>> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees
>>
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--000e0cd4841a650fa704c65f2b41-- From denghui02@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:33:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB8721F8D80 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.477 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LrUi4z5qaoxZ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2848521F8D7D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenm6 with SMTP id m6so789077yen.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8jw+ijN1MtDzwo+Sp9wtNnQQtAcjXqejDsSC1iQZuVs=; b=xh1vAO/BO9os6HF5t1EYrM3wgU+Y6P7m3/e0i3S0qCHr8FHscBKfhS3az7k44UpQjy pPcnnrW4aGSr4ozoFqwx3NWpvSsNYZD2RMyQ10GvGv4ZBwbngEuA6bpJOuCXmo5GxZeO bzsVyb2ok7NcRp98nEoC3DDo8/7rMXt9Or+WuwielATPRaFnUA3sSoXy7frGCnIn7nmf mPC7sSJkcEpzR+/d9/VP//00sDS7HuRCUl6IS6na6ajU8e6VDeZYlqf2ga2Cu9uEw+dA d6paQ5I6TKLsARaUiyJwXxK0A9PdXC9/BmB2OwylFLkbg+j1zbiv22Cqu8alSizruNRx TO7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.74.3 with SMTP id p3mr426496pav.49.1344015183296; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.237.3 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 01:33:02 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: "'84attendees' (84attendees@ietf.org)" <84attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f96b692b7c804c65feb6a Subject: [84attendees] Invitaion to Miracle 2012 right before IETF 85th in Atlanta (Saturday and Sunday morning, same hotel) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:33:05 -0000 --f46d042f96b692b7c804c65feb6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mobile Internet Architecture Evolution Conference of Post-LTE (Miracle 2012) The workshop will be held by China Mobile in Atlanta Downtown Hilton, on Nov.3 and morning of Nov.4 , 2012, i.e., at the same hotel of IETF and on Saturday and Sunday Scope: The workshop organizers would like to share the information about and foster a discussion on: 1. IPv6 Deployment Experience in Operators and ISP all over the world [Mostly about Mobile(3G/LTE) and Wifi network] 2. IPv6 based Machine to Machine communication 3. Software Defined Networking and its Industry Progress 4. Integration of Mobile(Femto) and WiFi, Cloud WLAN, and Fixed-Mobile Convergence 5. Internet Architecture Evolution Website The website is located at http://labs.chinamobile.com/wiise/meeting. Although it contains not much information at current stage, it will be updated with registration link and presentation materials with time elapses. Previous Miracle meeting information: http://labs.chinamobile.com/wiise/meeting/2010 http://labs.chinamobile.com/wiise/meeting/2011 Workshop Style The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background information or controversial ideas that help participants and there will be a panel discussion on specific topic to reach a deeper understanding of the subject. Participation We definitely welcome IETF related participants to join our meeting for free, but need pre-registration before Oct.15, 2012 on the conference website for organizers to plan the meeting accordingly. Surprise!! T-shirts will be offered to attendees free of charge. If you come up with good ideas of how to design the T-shirt, please contact the meeting organizer. Contact Hui Deng: denghui02@gmail.com Zhen Cao: caozhen@chinamobile.com --f46d042f96b692b7c804c65feb6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mobile Internet Architecture Evolution Conference of Post-LTE (Miracle 2= 012)

The workshop will be held by China Mobile in Atlanta Downtown Hi= lton, on Nov.3 and morning of Nov.4 , 2012, i.e., at the same hotel of IETF= and on Saturday and Sunday

Scope:=A0
The workshop organizers would like to share the informatio= n about and foster a discussion on:
1. IPv6 Deployment Experience in Ope= rators and ISP all over the world [Mostly about Mobile(3G/LTE) and Wifi net= work]
2. IPv6 based Machine to Machine communication
3. Software Defined Netw= orking and its Industry Progress
4. Integration of Mobile(Femto) and WiF= i, Cloud WLAN, and Fixed-Mobile Convergence
5. Internet Architecture Evo= lution

Website
The website is located at http://labs.chinamobile.com/wiise/meeting. Although = it contains not much information at current stage, it will be updated with = registration

link and presentation materials with time elapses.

Previous Mirac= le meeting information:
http://labs.chinamobile.com/wiise/meeting/2010
http://labs.chinamobile= .com/wiise/meeting/2011


Workshop Style
The workshop will be structured as a series of wor= king sessions punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant back= ground information or controversial ideas

that help participants and= there will be a panel discussion on specific topic to reach a deeper under= standing of the subject.

Participation
We definitely welcome IETF related participants to join= our meeting for free, but need pre-registration before Oct.15, 2012 on the= conference website for organizers to

plan the meeting accordingly. =


Surprise!!
T-shirts will be offered to attendees free of charge. = If you come up with good ideas of how to design the T-shirt, please contact= the meeting organizer.

Contact
Hui Deng: denghui02@gmail.com
Zhen Cao: caozhen@chinamobile.co= m

--f46d042f96b692b7c804c65feb6a-- From maxpassion@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC821F8DED for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCe-fvoyR+HX for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAE321F8BD6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so1745020obb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qgGeYp3EjIv7DNsMOeye3wVI7x/PgbX+u2aZy8g/FMc=; b=i+Wvda+3UNV6dpnM18s7+Yob++vDa5c7T0iuPH36GMXsNWgX14S7TM8Tm1PZrY7hfu GGFJMBMsmgz/jD1XiIwJJJyUwWwTqBN/PyiNz7tCqmiOp5RFX89his+5cQvs/FzeEz1w 10I8Kpom00RoHFAV6pFD7tcSrXiCws9E1tIMqhM2pL8Ef2UlMo7teGsbJihTw/2ECTK5 6aKZW11n5ckEQKON0VDPgtL8/2KueSc5IwJqMmXTUzp/Ve7/PEEZkkZf6BUdaCCZQmwD WSES4zr3kmpdxhgJxUiq57ItXVHs4VjUcDANB+rWIlh8NCdDfYIs0rwdQaH0MAOMD+K7 ug8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.197.73 with SMTP id is9mr7459918obc.32.1344025303302; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.139.136 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120803.014107.193731531.miyakawa@nttv6.jp> References: <20120803.014107.193731531.miyakawa@nttv6.jp> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 04:21:43 +0800 Message-ID: From: liu dapeng To: Shin Miyakawa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: denghui02@gmail.com, 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:21:44 -0000 My problem is that the portal authentication page would not open, I called to the front desk, they suggest me to use Internet in the business center. One solution for me is to get the authentication pass in the business center then keep the laptop open and when back to the room it still work... regards, Dapeng 2012/8/3, Shin Miyakawa : > From: Hui Deng > Subject: [84attendees] No Internet access in Sheraton Hotel for 2 days > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:34:21 +0800 > >> unfortunatelly > > I had same problem but, the day before yesterday, > I called the hotel operation from my room and she gave me a passcode > which has worked this two days including this morning there. > > Shin Miyakawa > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > -- ------ Best Regards, Dapeng Liu From scott.brim@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:53:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CD421E808E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GOSpHx8to-oa for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EBC21E808A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so1287166vbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ixEnDMSscbPASfdgzWY2fVMQoipzy6x+W8zJfM5BME4=; b=UZS15FWJ1WDLP5j7/d9oeN/Bi5KwC0q6KMd5KTgjN85VNaINdth0pYzD6xwt5pedgX vDRJfw+fUcBccuk4maikC9cTKq/cnZr+tRcaAEser1fS7L8BtDhhNEGghMANWbXmWQnE J3Jfivp2sqdO/m487XHO1QzbP93U/fb+3kap+jwP1eOBmfaylH3yX7hl/mmKvnabtOHC v+Py6jAcpiZDceVvhvo1lzYuEJECNsf4YBJmG+4MG9SPQA6s9FhMgD2QyzS6Dc/jFUFH k1lp3TyFQfaguCL78Wtw3f5vYiKnrPtAx4JNYx8E6cnxNYtZfyEA1Fw4hIoKZV9PXbAz PxIw== Received: by 10.52.100.165 with SMTP id ez5mr2043981vdb.108.1344027184041; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.199 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Brim Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:52:43 -0700 Message-ID: To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [84attendees] network schedule? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:53:05 -0000 When will the Hyatt be back on its own network? I'm hoping not until tomorrow :-) Thanks ... Scott From ole@cisco.com Fri Aug 3 14:06:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A0011E8091 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUY+xNKR1XTp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F80621E8093 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=711; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344027993; x=1345237593; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=vsiTAMrwKASGGT84us9HFgMlOPYeC6sNHmyxm7Nmrpc=; b=gnytGVrocJE7GV9Uh9jJErj0t5DieHTeacTsWDGjHjSKoCtnNIiK2/Xx 5ck7aujFdTGw0GWCjITfP7NXOTkfwHGVYJrw9N1Xf41gsJs1Pr2av/XSo aN3zazk4tVxi392EUXWcDNTImZwri2PQY+WVoeay1vMloG8LvyiQ1dYXN Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicFAII8HFCrRDoH/2dsb2JhbABCA4U0tAKBB4IgAQEBAwEBAQEPAQIlNAsFCwtGJzAGEyKHZQUMnGSDSBCcQItIGoNJgyEDiE2SWIUygxqBBGKCf4E/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,708,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="54016197" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 21:06:30 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q73L6UMZ013254; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:06:30 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Scott Brim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] network schedule? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:06:34 -0000 The ISOC Board is meeting Saturday and Sunday, so I am guessing there will be network available at least until Sunday, but I will let the NOC folks tell you the details. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Scott Brim wrote: > When will the Hyatt be back on its own network? I'm hoping not until > tomorrow :-) > > Thanks ... Scott > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From nkukich@verilan.com Fri Aug 3 14:15:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9050921E8094 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.311, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IAvaT1uyMcl6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010E321E805D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so128958pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=HmW//x4NqWiFya6RA1R0GPGMlO8qc8wk3JV3qX88F6k=; b=k7Z9cUjBYSNpSJ5M++xcVnGlaok8YGMb8IPq7is/FSjXPBpmvDzG6vVJzIDoKucTfg BJjA/PjH+q6cU+dab91vnw1Nud3Qu6jwiTqQ4ePpBPQjHihjwasQcWfbO+WExzJoB0LE /tXr0XzRhX5GwfVWznOQpqh7y5vfIaWVSjVRI/pLRijciCVFRLgZO0314Xc83yJp8RRM DUUgVgMJsUuDre6aZ8kJCI9uvezHPAf4tuz4+sSNlo3vwrpYek5tnGWpgvOv5skzQ/Pb xjGbRl/y1zLDvjP0Zodb3EYPMt8yBKqXWv1/HjUovZOB9kT6bEZH5shovvQqfNm2G2Nd Ra4w== Received: by 10.68.202.133 with SMTP id ki5mr460785pbc.10.1344028513710; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::f2b4:79ff:fe18:7450? ([2001:df8::f2b4:79ff:fe18:7450]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oo6sm184045pbc.22.2012.08.03.14.15.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-649089772 From: Nick Kukich In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:15:09 -0700 Message-Id: <20D7B6FC-350D-479F-97C6-25E0FBF760E1@verilan.com> References: To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmCVgYhPcVWHeJ/gp0U/FedSI5HuV6dbhFlC9gACTliui6Yh30WPqFuL69Yk13LfNFjbGql Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Scott Brim Subject: Re: [84attendees] network schedule? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:15:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-12-649089772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The internet access in the guest rooms will revert back to the Hyatt = infrastructure Saturday at 1PM. The IETF network infrastructure in Plaza A/B/C area will remain up until = Sunday evening. Nick Kukich Network Engineer Verilan, Inc. 503.710.5115 On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > The ISOC Board is meeting Saturday and Sunday, so I am guessing there=20= > will be network available at least until Sunday, but I will let the > NOC folks tell you the details. >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Scott Brim wrote: >=20 >> When will the Hyatt be back on its own network? I'm hoping not until >> tomorrow :-) >>=20 >> Thanks ... Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail-12-649089772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii The = internet access in the guest rooms will revert back to the Hyatt = infrastructure Saturday at 1PM.

The IETF network = infrastructure in Plaza A/B/C area will remain up until Sunday = evening.

Nick Kukich
Network = Engineer
Verilan, = Inc.

The= ISOC Board is meeting Saturday and Sunday, so I am guessing there =
will be network available at least until Sunday, but I will let = the
NOC folks tell you the details.

Ole


Ole J. = Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol = Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 = 415-370-4628
E-mail: ole@cisco.com=  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
Skype: = organdemo


On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Scott Brim = wrote:

When will the Hyatt be back on = its own network?  I'm hoping not until
tomorrow :-)

Thanks ... = Scott
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<= /div>= --Apple-Mail-12-649089772-- From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 14:26:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547FE11E80A3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82MGv53DOoRD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7211E8091 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.ecs.soton.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q73LPra9005531 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:25:53 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q73LPra9005531 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1344029153; bh=IIVKkxYwuOKfV2ej2+YT08O8JbA=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:Mime-Version; b=qGVsRShqy+int2wb/Q7JNuYVv18JdEv2Y2vZ7CDsVFAEfa7Xl1lfFMmcibl43cQGY UxQDsnDZbmRRf3Mc7HlRtfTccq2ZWQvsv2vHSNLRz3rUvpQAL3QG4zA6OD7UoElX2C iUG2IkqoRF6SzILNvy6aR0Pe7uKK1jtl28sF1uQ0= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o72MPr0430611691JR ret-id none; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:25:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.23.172] (d66-183-214-171.bchsia.telus.net [66.183.214.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q73LPkWw025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:25:50 +0100 References: <057946CD-61BF-4F18-AE1D-4599ABBE44C2@ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:25:47 +0100 To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o72MPr043061169100; tid=o72MPr0430611691JR; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q73LPra9005531 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [84attendees] network schedule? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:26:01 -0000 On 3 Aug 2012, at 21:52, Scott Brim wrote: > When will the Hyatt be back on its own network? I'm hoping not until > tomorrow :-) The Cactus Club cafe just across the street and down towards the harbour is a= minute away and has free wifi. The Immortal IPA is good too! 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They have a nice matcha latte, your choice sweet or not, hot or iced, full fat, low fat, no fat, or soy milk. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- No man is a hero to his wife's psychiatrist. --Eric Berne From jmpolk@cisco.com Fri Aug 3 15:39:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E32011E80E6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDqixppO0iQy for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4623D11E80E5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=1626; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344033561; x=1345243161; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=UyKxtPCcSy/IXDrC7oSRFLKJ6cqLHCl2c9CYQyuI96I=; b=ax18yBw13fC90qnCwyXbPVYlCwymOgwXhbBlLbjn770wGz67Ls9vxgfR plWJ9/tgGXlOCuUpSsd5uAsOBXPLMfrEysGXn5gQsPxBUzcHmlJEeUNtu fSioA+272lrNyrMRwlMglx2HYjITDCLN88hOggNPIdlw1+9QA763hyd7Z U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,709,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="50912625" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 22:39:21 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-WS.cisco.com ([10.21.167.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q73MdKnJ007590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:39:20 GMT Message-Id: <201208032239.q73MdKnJ007590@mtv-core-4.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:39:20 -0500 To: Nick Kukich , Ole Jacobsen From: James Polk In-Reply-To: <20D7B6FC-350D-479F-97C6-25E0FBF760E1@verilan.com> References: <20D7B6FC-350D-479F-97C6-25E0FBF760E1@verilan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authenticated-User: jmpolk Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Scott Brim Subject: Re: [84attendees] network schedule? X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:39:26 -0000 At 04:15 PM 8/3/2012, Nick Kukich wrote: >The internet access in the guest rooms will revert back to the Hyatt >infrastructure Saturday at 1PM. awesome!! thanks -j >The IETF network infrastructure in Plaza A/B/C area will remain up >until Sunday evening. > >Nick Kukich >Network Engineer >Verilan, Inc. >503.710.5115 > > > >On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >> >>The ISOC Board is meeting Saturday and Sunday, so I am guessing there >>will be network available at least until Sunday, but I will let the >>NOC folks tell you the details. >> >>Ole >> >> >>Ole J. Jacobsen >>Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal >>Cisco Systems >>Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 >>E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: >>http://www.cisco.com/ipj >>Skype: organdemo >> >> >>On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Scott Brim wrote: >> >>>When will the Hyatt be back on its own network? I'm hoping not until >>>tomorrow :-) >>> >>>Thanks ... Scott >>>_______________________________________________ >>>84attendees mailing list >>>84attendees@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>_______________________________________________ >>84attendees mailing list >>84attendees@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From rs@netapp.com Fri Aug 3 17:09:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C2D21E8045 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.358, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bh8h8kuC5IIS for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight that's operated by Westjet. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffenegger, Richard wrote= : > > Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US > bound, operated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for som= e > reason... :( > > Richard Scheffenegger > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org= ] > > On Behalf Of John R Levine > > Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24 > > To: Bob Hinden > > Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) > > > > > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights to t= he > > US. Otherwise=85. > > > > If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head > > straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. > > > > R's, > > John > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > --20cf302d4d6229ad8204c6659737 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight that's operated by Westjet.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffeneg= ger, Richard <rs@netapp.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US bo= und, operated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for some re= ason... :(

Richard Scheffenegger



> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of John R Levine
> Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24
> To: Bob Hinden
> Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US)<= br> >
> > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights = to the
> US. =A0Otherwise=85.
>
> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head
> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport.
>
> R's,
> John
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--20cf302d4d6229ad8204c6659737-- From stephen.botzko@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 17:22:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4B821F8D5C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6qoR+RtF-fhz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9FE21F8CD2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so330378pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e8SGX3u1S1h4H8paBgC6ZN7d1NFREnDoafYY7mMe6Ww=; b=bJhpXtPuxmgKcXiaudYQZ7TtiF6AlyXb1euw2Sfn9brf0hnWF2O8+T7Z8TXihPnvuq uRHMD4qmBPg5GwziQq9bxHPIF4cchEO5WOsiUSE6u+tKgZDygq1gBqPFnXTDpq7GnARg OuUCMcNXqWFVFny9NS7WcJ+nugKDxSRufgLNAj0Mj6uCTN0TQwTEpNc2wU9HON4FqnWq Tw9i61hpb1oHdsj4DSAWzVM6LxkgMSeyIBhoTcX+SbBvxudPBB97DsjEuYSVIYWbojqw /KXzMj/WgXEFvhIfjSc5rxMGORmZe9qd5OjAr5Bql4HLrq49fZA6UhVwEYh4oDM0wK5z 6AXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.231.170 with SMTP id th10mr1304488pbc.104.1344039742784; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.51.101 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Stephen Botzko To: Mary Barnes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b339cbd6ec4f804c665a33e Cc: "Scheffenegger, Richard" , "ole@cisco.com" , Bob Hinden , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, John R Levine Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:22:23 -0000 --047d7b339cbd6ec4f804c665a33e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On-line check-in did work for my Air Alaska flight (with first leg operated by Horizon Air). On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Mary Barnes wrote= : > Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight that's operated by Westjet. > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffenegger, Richard wro= te: > >> >> Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US >> bound, operated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for so= me >> reason... :( >> >> Richard Scheffenegger >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.or= g >> ] >> > On Behalf Of John R Levine >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24 >> > To: Bob Hinden >> > Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >> > >> > > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights to >> the >> > US. Otherwise=85. >> > >> > If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head >> > straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. >> > >> > R's, >> > John >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > > --047d7b339cbd6ec4f804c665a33e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On-line check-in did work for my Air Alaska flight (with first leg operated= by Horizon Air).

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at = 5:18 PM, Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight th= at's operated by Westjet.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffenegger, Richard &l= t;rs@netapp.com><= /span> wrote:

Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US bo= und, operated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for some re= ason... :(

Richard Scheffenegger



> -----Original Message-----
> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of John R Levine
> Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24
> To: Bob Hinden
> Cc: 84attend= ees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US)<= br> >
> > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights = to the
> US. =A0Otherwise=85.
>
> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head
> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport.
>
> R's,
> John
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Congratulation! You compl= eted my checkin on the day I checked out.



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--bcaec54ee72a4d4be004c665cd08-- From jon.hudson@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 18:05:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8FB21F8D93 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZXwkKHCyAqWq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318BA21F8D96 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so373754pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=yid8esAL8EUGS5S2QzP+Wrk82xNG0nxcY2b7IjB4x3o=; b=WjIO41Uvzo33/VS2hMlholthi5SYSzc0FkKDg1ZtFo7MFfoidtTJo58Hposf3mIvuz oRiRfIMeY2BtEuSarYER3TpydIze+RHn8ZEXGK5hYc2iTtTji+EBx818zF6eWtiBuLzV CbhmPTcd/EwlNNsgtgoqMW2Kc7cycMjAdqJRGVj3gD28AvM09yzPAM5q63oVBrVjPBO1 mxwI/beajYaoOz9E3P8bZSq/h73HUitp+J94qiHVi6ucgFvFXhPl1LLrZMesgtves6XB wEuwroHCoFGUw0yEvPv4utuut+MEPw652NmVczH/T0kTqa+rw9lunpHIcrNcj+LCLgBj 6uyg== Received: by 10.68.223.138 with SMTP id qu10mr1499799pbc.50.1344042331907; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (c-98-234-218-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.218.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qp6sm3920311pbc.55.2012.08.03.18.05.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C77369CC-5B76-4BA5-9FAF-2DF22BAED057 Message-Id: <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jon Hudson Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:05:27 -0700 To: Stephen Botzko Cc: "Scheffenegger, Richard" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden , "ole@cisco.com" , John R Levine , Mary Barnes Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:05:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-C77369CC-5B76-4BA5-9FAF-2DF22BAED057 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It's wacky. Some weeks ago (nanog55) I was flying out on a 6pm united flight= . Checked in online. Get there at 4:50.=20 Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone pa= ss would no work. Go back to the united kiosks, but now it's 5:05 and even though I am already= Checked in, they will NOT print a boarding pass since its less than 60min t= ill my flight. And between 4: 50 and 5:05, ALL the united people _fled_ the building. Count= er is a ghost town. Called United Premium support, "sorry sir, you need to talk to someone there= . If there are no united reps maybe you can ask Air Canada to help" BUT this was a pure united ticket, so air Canada couldn't print it out. If Air Canada had not spent 20min on the phone, checked me off that flight a= nd use the tag to issue me a ticket on a later air Canada flight I would hav= e been stuck there overnight with no hotel. It's easier to fly from Amsterdam->US than Canada->US On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Botzko wrote:= > On-line check-in did work for my Air Alaska flight (with first leg operate= d by Horizon Air). >=20 > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Mary Barnes wrot= e: > Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight that's operated by Westjet. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffenegger, Richard wro= te: >=20 > Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US bound= , operated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for some reason= ... :( >=20 > Richard Scheffenegger >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org]= > > On Behalf Of John R Levine > > Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24 > > To: Bob Hinden > > Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) > > > > > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights to th= e > > US. Otherwise=E2=80=A6. > > > > If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head > > straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. > > > > R's, > > John > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail-C77369CC-5B76-4BA5-9FAF-2DF22BAED057 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
It's wacky. Some weeks ago= (nanog55) I was flying out on a 6pm united flight. Checked in online. Get t= here at 4:50. 

Go to security, they say I need= a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone pass would no work.
Go back to the united kiosks, but now it's 5:05 and even though I= am already Checked in, they will NOT print a boarding pass since its less t= han 60min till my flight.

And between 4: 50 and 5:0= 5, ALL the united people _fled_ the building. Counter is a ghost town.
=

Called United Premium support, "sorry sir, you need to t= alk to someone there. If there are no united reps maybe you can ask Air Cana= da to help"

BUT this was a pure united ticket, so a= ir Canada couldn't print it out.

If Air Canada had n= ot spent 20min on the phone, checked me off that flight and use the tag to i= ssue me a ticket on a later air Canada flight I would have been stuck there o= vernight with no hotel.

It's easier to fly from Ams= terdam->US than Canada->US

On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Stephen B= otzko <stephen.botzko@gmail.c= om> wrote:

On-line check-in did work for my Air Alaska flight (with first leg= operated by Horizon Air).

On Fri, Aug 3, 2= 012 at 5:18 PM, Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Yeah - it's the same for my AA flight that's o= perated by Westjet.


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Scheffenegger, Richard <= ;rs@netapp.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, that doesn't work for some reason if the flight is US bound, o= perated by United and the ticket is issued by Air Canada, for some reason...= :(

Richard Scheffenegger



> -----Original Message-----
> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of John R Levine
> Sent: Mittwoch, 01. August 2012 08:24
> To: Bob Hinden
> Cc: 84attende= es@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >
> > Probably good to assume they will be open when there are flights t= o the
> US.  Otherwise=E2=80=A6.
>
> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head
> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport.
>
> R's,
> John
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--e89a8ff25680cc1eef04c6664b53-- From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 18:23:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312021F8CDF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbI2I06ZSNqq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DEE21F843C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so391584pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=+IgEs4xkZ9z06vLxpXI6zHYh0gY/YC+fMoEln8VmmVY=; b=yb49gpz7a04lR0CpOWnUCqcbX+htMCLOHydjPqIbkAlaYjGLtk8LtwfnT079eyZHCm d/SHT7E8Fm+v2A4nz7eN2fi3xh0gVCoI/e4gKSyU/hN8sqeb4ygHDKqaub7edMp/Sczb WtZuJ10jPM/C9quMlExz3suTw91YC0TX/gWenZ41C5EJyv0UpxNkrWWiOdjhIRwnBsYB ISWdooR/fZYN2cpNs9/th5OD+zPoSW8L1cPTHghVxEhwDMTp8s0z15TKwmC0AYGTAMmo 1C4akCfewrS2H1Z4YUFxDwB9NkFSk0Vg5PLOSnFQK+Qzx7cR9JUl3FxqvzYrUUTE21Jz nC5Q== Received: by 10.68.190.102 with SMTP id gp6mr1556333pbc.5.1344043395187; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.68.182] (dhcp-44b6.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.68.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pp2sm3960344pbb.1.2012.08.03.18.23.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0D4D867B-61FB-4BC5-9874-DB3FF99E8953 Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Ralph Droms Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:23:11 -0700 To: Scott Brim Cc: "Scheffenegger, Richard" , "ole@cisco.com" , Bob Hinden , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, John R Levine , Mary Barnes , Stephen Botzko , Jon Hudson Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:23:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-0D4D867B-61FB-4BC5-9874-DB3FF99E8953 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote: > Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone p= ass would no work. >=20 > I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security scre= ening was broken. Yeah. I've taken to always printing a backup. Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanners.= .. - Ralph > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail-0D4D867B-61FB-4BC5-9874-DB3FF99E8953 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8




On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote:
Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone pass would no work.

I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security screening was broken.

Yeah.  I've taken to always printing a backup.

Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanners...

- Ralph

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--Apple-Mail-0D4D867B-61FB-4BC5-9874-DB3FF99E8953-- From mjethanandani@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 18:36:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBB611E808D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SBj3CBilWGOX for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771911E8087 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so404739pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GtpwNgvJA8E1ZKQXLXgbBBdDiH2wdYrDlnzIA963Qgs=; b=BAqhBp905pdodU+8V7MgkcR2l6goZseEmVK3rI+mD1+b0ImWo9Nk8uQ+ewKdpn5QdV li+p8DTBfv0j32O9fr9mWAJyXvbjqMmTd42u3piQGPtFZ11kTezBVy7qoHWyhH9nsdKb HBAs7IRsTJzREIhjSHM8ux5jtMPJMMRXMSHF1VoQsER+qCm2rCsuTUATNBHSCm5J3bio odPvTKr4kRWXvcyTU1KOe1YbRWn0rsxIfs76ghB9vGjzG2wDZBeZzTwxnPUgr+YQXBMY +8Njcm3bnkK8mfpBVZaoAVqYU0+QBF3Q2J6t6rYPGXzCpyxoxmymtBNbLiouegfbXP4e kqVQ== Received: by 10.68.228.2 with SMTP id se2mr1633284pbc.109.1344044165775; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.123] (c-24-6-173-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.6.173.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jy7sm3961891pbc.71.2012.08.03.18.36.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-35-664742177 From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:36:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6D6FB0E0-4EE3-4AF7-8646-4673B3D0F93C@gmail.com> References: To: "Hyatt Regency Vancouver (604) 683-1234" , consumeraffairs@hyatt.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] Your room is ready. X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:36:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail-35-664742177 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Perfect timing! I checked out... On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Hyatt Regency Vancouver (604) 683-1234 = wrote: >=20 > =20 > Your Room Is Ready =20 > =20 > =09 > Dear Mahesh Jethanandani >=20 > Thank you for using Web Check-In. >=20 > Your room is ready. You can use the barcode on your Web Check-In = receipt at the kiosk to receive your keys and complete the Check-In when = you arrive. >=20 > Ulrich Samietz > General Manager >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > FOLLOW US ONLINE: =20 >=20 > We respect your privacy and will only use your information in = accordance with our Global Privacy Policy for Guests, available at = privacy.Hyatt.com. If you have questions or comments regarding this = email, please contact us at consumeraffairs@hyatt.com. You have a right = to access, to rectify and to object for legitimate reasons to the = processing of your data in accordance with our Global Privacy Policy for = Guests. >=20 > As used in this statement, the terms "we", "our", "Hyatt" and "Hyatt = Hotels & Resorts" encompass hotels managed, franchised or leased by = subsidiaries and affiliates of Hyatt Hotels Corporation. The trademarks = HYATT, HYATT HOTELS & RESORTS, PARK HYATT, ANDAZ, GRAND HYATT, HYATT = REGENCY, HYATT PLACE, HYATT SUMMERFIELD SUITES, HYATT GOLD PASSPORT, = HYATT VACATION CLUB, and related marks are trademarks of Hyatt = Corporation or its affiliates. >=20 > =A9 2011 Hyatt Corporation. All rights reserved. >=20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-35-664742177 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
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= --Apple-Mail-35-664742177-- From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Aug 3 18:37:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EE311E808D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:37:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKgtv0zrFZqo for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4A411E8087 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q741bEfS020817 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:37:14 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q741bEfS020817 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1344044234; bh=l92JjKYXpWxT17DnDv+vqOBbfCc=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:Mime-Version; b=IbwSMAkLd7inUkWaikrgi4JkE67ulcgatlfuK/7Tt9koG88Z+VIgaZ0csKfGY2izu I8+ZN4B+NVjVIMz7LX2ndtD69A3DeMtQX2/cnT9hMboP+rOQwHtM0eSyiH88/5QNqi bLDubvAZHWy1YxhavQlJBunIaBxq7q6aBL2gtuCg= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o732bE043061287367 ret-id none; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:37:14 +0100 Received: from [10.20.234.164] ([204.239.250.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q741bAbn017166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:37:11 +0100 References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> From: Tim Chown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F9B15494-B9E6-4FF2-BD71-CCB99A3EE233 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:37:09 +0100 To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o732bE043061287300; tid=o732bE043061287367; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q741bEfS020817 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:37:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail-F9B15494-B9E6-4FF2-BD71-CCB99A3EE233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 4 Aug 2012, at 02:23, Ralph Droms wrote: > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim wrote: >=20 >> On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote: >> Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone= pass would no work. >>=20 >> I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security scr= eening was broken. >=20 > Yeah. I've taken to always printing a backup. >=20 > Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanner= s... Worked a charm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow.=20 And free wifi in departures. There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) Tim= --Apple-Mail-F9B15494-B9E6-4FF2-BD71-CCB99A3EE233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 4 Aug 2012, at 02:23, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote:
Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone pass would no work.

I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security screening was broken.

Yeah.  I've taken to always printing a backup.

Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanners...

Worked a charm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow. 

And free wifi in departures.

There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;)

Tim
--Apple-Mail-F9B15494-B9E6-4FF2-BD71-CCB99A3EE233-- From jon.hudson@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 18:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4C21F8D72 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:50:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6LT+16COI46I for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA621F8D70 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so419520pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=awDcDXC9RS+Kfcb3h23M/CY0HN0aNQwpqJ51wcCJjF0=; b=fg+qhYLYt88Og7OgWWaYidPQ+GEQHx8FFKv0Z1p4LQ/0gwlKRWtMg5NVTEKAjxxfjy j4gIiqs+RohS9acA2pQGMfruX1oU9DiJ4UFRTFTkuiSwYt8ggbUXImdGT30xXPuiWLtp oW16GLNK/nIgR6g8YkZgREDoa+vSLusk+ztYLWiymPSHGyvo6HMwh7tlsTwbKFU8HsAU Tno1bazWZeguX8YpM/TslRwVr6kogYKlwLe8YdGZo24fOVvaTjdSnKgLfLjj2RD2lBMq VCIeJKio7Rrm0cFL+xAV8/JDDWeD7iUZR0IUNXt1kHexfhljDx8/rS7cpEtcM0jgDYw3 Po4g== Received: by 10.68.134.161 with SMTP id pl1mr1678110pbb.29.1344045046322; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (c-98-234-218-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.218.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sk5sm3999168pbc.7.2012.08.03.18.50.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-52C6B1B1-B322-44F4-99A7-F77330B0988D Message-Id: <1735BA59-2D3E-484C-9015-5C7419886FF8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jon Hudson Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:50:43 -0700 To: Tim Chown Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:50:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail-52C6B1B1-B322-44F4-99A7-F77330B0988D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's only from Canada to the US ...because you know those Canadians.....shady bunch they are..... .....They are all gun toting beer swiggin religious nuts with delusions of g= randeur.... On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > On 4 Aug 2012, at 02:23, Ralph Droms wrote: >=20 >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim wrote: >>=20 >>> On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote: >>> Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phon= e pass would no work. >>>=20 >>> I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security sc= reening was broken. >>=20 >> Yeah. I've taken to always printing a backup. >>=20 >> Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanne= rs... >=20 > Worked a charm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow.=20 >=20 > And free wifi in departures. >=20 > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) >=20 > Tim > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail-52C6B1B1-B322-44F4-99A7-F77330B0988D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
It's only from Canada to t= he US

...because you know those Canadians.....shady= bunch they are.....
.....They are all gun toting beer swiggin rel= igious nuts with delusions of grandeur....

On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM= , Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:


On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Friday, August 3, 2012= , Jon Hudson wrote:
Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My p= hone pass would no work.

I've had that happen to me when the b= oarding pass scanner at security screening was broken.

Yeah.  I've taken to always printing a= backup.

Half the document check stations in terminal C a= t Logan don't have scanners...

Worked a cha= rm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow. 

And fr= ee wifi in departures.

There must be something wron= g with Canada somewhere, surely ;)

Tim
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= = --Apple-Mail-52C6B1B1-B322-44F4-99A7-F77330B0988D-- From dmcginn@peer1.com Fri Aug 3 18:56:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E419F21F8D80 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FRAt9xGsihC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p01c12o144.mxlogic.net (p01c12o144.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDC221F8D7D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [66.40.129.43] (EHLO p01c12o144.mxlogic.net) by p01c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-6.14.0-1) with ESMTP id 3518c105.63e1d940.3041.00-586.5578.p01c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 19:56:35 -0600 (MDT) X-MXL-Hash: 501c81532818b4d9-825f1302a5d3bf355b7fc2fd728387714d6aeb8a Received: from unknown [66.40.129.43] (EHLO mail.peer1.com) by p01c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-6.14.0-1) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 1518c105.0.3035.00-389.5567.p01c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 19:56:35 -0600 (MDT) X-MXL-Hash: 501c81534f43c231-6bf1418f9f11727e74bd76e4cd142dc988c59b3b Received: from MBXFMT01.corp.peer1.net ([fe80::e9ca:e902:f2b5:5180]) by HUBFMT01.corp.peer1.net ([66.40.129.43]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:56:15 -0700 From: Dan McGinn To: Jon Hudson Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+io6Y+l6iUlsUiz0fgXBy7v2ZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA0GmwIAAeJAAgAAA9QCAAAwKgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAAA8qA//+MSFs= Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 01:56:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> , <1735BA59-2D3E-484C-9015-5C7419886FF8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1735BA59-2D3E-484C-9015-5C7419886FF8@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CE09F69162E248DF8C5D7B2D511713D9peer1com_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.40.129.43] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=cJ5XRCiN c=1 sm=0 a=Yn6vb/YF7Vgx/Fe2NZiKGg==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=f506aUKTAicA:10 a=mN579kKQtu0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=xqW] X-AnalysisOut: [C_Br6kY4A:10 a=jsJXFyYwAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=1Purrc2uA] X-AnalysisOut: [AAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=v4nvHcvqBsZf3UHG7BQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_] X-AnalysisOut: [8ugA:10 a=RmE8kjoYIV4A:10 a=B3th7Uzr26wA:10 a=6nzkM7ZfpW8A] X-AnalysisOut: [:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=Mv0aUOCPyqIVcC_i] X-AnalysisOut: [:21 a=PizFOMaQ5AFtBaT3:21 a=cey42ITP_dmlWJ88_VAA:9 a=_W_S_] X-AnalysisOut: [7VecoQA:10 a=KZAADKJsD0OlReNC:21 a=AGfl787eyNRor3cc:21] Cc: Tim Chown , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:56:37 -0000 --_000_CE09F69162E248DF8C5D7B2D511713D9peer1com_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well it's not easy for Canadians in the summer olympics. If your country pu= lled home 3 bronze medals you'd probably seem a little fanatical and delude= d as you drank to the greatness of your country too. -- Dan McGinn Network Design Architect PEER 1 Hosting | Ping & People 1000-555 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 4N5 T: 604.683.7747x1179 | F: 604.683.4634 www.peer1.com On Aug 3, 2012, at 18:50, "Jon Hudson" > wrote: It's only from Canada to the US ...because you know those Canadians.....shady bunch they are..... .....They are all gun toting beer swiggin religious nuts with delusions of = grandeur.... On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown > wrote: On 4 Aug 2012, at 02:23, Ralph Droms > wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Scott Brim > wrote: On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote: Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My phone p= ass would no work. I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security scree= ning was broken. Yeah. I've taken to always printing a backup. Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have scanners= ... Worked a charm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow. And free wifi in departures. There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) Tim _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --_000_CE09F69162E248DF8C5D7B2D511713D9peer1com_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well it's not easy for Canadians in the summer olympics. If your count= ry pulled home 3 bronze medals you'd probably seem a little fanatical and d= eluded as you drank to the greatness of your country too. 

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On Aug 3, 2012, at 18:50, "Jon Hudson" <jon.hudson@gmail.com> wrote:

It's only from Canada to the US

...because you know those Canadians.....shady bunch they are.....
.....They are all gun toting beer swiggin religious nuts with delusion= s of grandeur....

On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

On 4 Aug 2012, at 02:23, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Jon Hudson wrote:
Go to security, they say I need a hard copy of my boarding pass. My ph= one pass would no work.

I've had that happen to me when the boarding pass scanner at security = screening was broken.

Yeah.  I've taken to always printing a backup.

Half the document check stations in terminal C at Logan don't have sca= nners...

Worked a charm at YVR for a BA return to Heathrow. 

And free wifi in departures.

There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;)

Tim
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--_000_CE09F69162E248DF8C5D7B2D511713D9peer1com_-- From johnl@taugh.com Fri Aug 3 19:26:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D014621F8DA4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXUN8qt5cCf2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B4721F8D9F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87984 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2012 02:25:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=157af.501c8836.k1208; bh=JefPlt1xEttzTA/feW3EIAw33FBdAw/K0iVLLrHbvt4=; b=AaznpXITJOIgAmVuioshRJRjwdG7O54vAC5tGLZ72M+K6j0JpPzGl+2Tm4AcrSeoDbhu6XN/naXgq5zTFyrhtAihzG32kyHfUdDGWkdOR9/7OatwUHUJ+kXF8V1YL/iXFrCJ8tf4+MJhHHS+gYpu+NpLABXve0XgPKJ1ADgplHw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=157af.501c8836.k1208; bh=JefPlt1xEttzTA/feW3EIAw33FBdAw/K0iVLLrHbvt4=; b=ChRM6Vb7beQAh2tahJtvivSJyqaINMC/rM7uqd9EKqZJaF+bznD3JkLYxGf7yNa5lOEQMRLZLBJWZ5bYVpMZuuJZoZcMqfTAiYoH9lOdwpfsUFjCg0kwhbEelVohE0OXbe6LBumnpfpvpfnDrXGpC+YP7p2Ev0VPP34S4d5tqRA= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 4 Aug 2012 02:25:36 -0000 Date: 3 Aug 2012 19:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Scheffenegger, Richard" In-Reply-To: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:26:01 -0000 >> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head >> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. That depends whether the airline's computer remembers whether they've checked your passport already. United says I'm checked in, but won't give me a mobile boarding pass. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From smb@cs.columbia.edu Fri Aug 3 20:17:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0A511E8087 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHiUmx1NLePm for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salak.cc.columbia.edu (salak.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828E511E8072 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-43cd.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-43cd.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.67.205]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by salak.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q743HR05010897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:17:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6046F93B-E9EF-4E96-BDE4-520466F0FF2A@cs.columbia.edu> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> To: John R Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.6 Cc: "Scheffenegger, Richard" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:17:31 -0000 On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:25 PM, John R Levine wrote: >>> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head >>> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. >=20 > That depends whether the airline's computer remembers whether they've = checked your passport already. United says I'm checked in, but won't = give me a mobile boarding pass. Hmm -- maybe I shouldn't risk Amtrak's (new) e-ticket, on-screen ticket = tomorrow morning... --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From david.black@emc.com Fri Aug 3 21:48:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02C721F8A3C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2psXmZTLp0hv for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72AF21F87C6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI03.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.23]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q744mdkL010986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:48:39 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd04.lss.emc.com [10.254.222.226]) by hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:48:19 -0400 Received: from mxhub08.corp.emc.com (mxhub08.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.205]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q744mIQF002559; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:48:18 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.189]) by mxhub08.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.205]) with mapi; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:48:18 -0400 From: To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:46:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: Amtrak ... Thread-Index: Ac1x78UJIqCeAIs+S0m+9uDscAnXZgADDPuA Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80246@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <6046F93B-E9EF-4E96-BDE4-520466F0FF2A@cs.columbia.edu> In-Reply-To: <6046F93B-E9EF-4E96-BDE4-520466F0FF2A@cs.columbia.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: [84attendees] Amtrak ... X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:48:48 -0000 I'd plan on getting a paper ticket at Pacific Central station ... Thanks, --David (on Amtrak, getting close to Seattle) > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On > Behalf Of Steven Bellovin > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:17 PM > To: John R Levine > Cc: Scheffenegger, Richard; 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >=20 >=20 > On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:25 PM, John R Levine wrote: >=20 > >>> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head > >>> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. > > > > That depends whether the airline's computer remembers whether they've > checked your passport already. United says I'm checked in, but won't giv= e me > a mobile boarding pass. >=20 >=20 > Hmm -- maybe I shouldn't risk Amtrak's (new) e-ticket, on-screen ticket > tomorrow morning... >=20 > --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 3 23:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5521F8D33 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0LgWbTDa0Er2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC30B21F8D28 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344060427; x=1375596427; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=Wft/I8NgVmpOLcNUF1GubnB53YDUuaMiF86xPSQzRB0=; b=kYPkscO44YYXeoUfGjUa6b8HAGQPgoRgHEfKL/0HS5MJs6KNen9OHnAg 37ZMsaR1LGK3BGB2I0FKwiwNAS/yCGuZLW98+oTp2kVF0R/YCTL4aWID7 5ZKIPPlE0x+VHrX/XHtdbzAT5mSnrs48oVM2WLm8IjShdOg2ine9vKysN A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6792"; a="216971544" Received: from ironmsg04-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.18]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 23:07:07 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,710,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="360243140" Received: from nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.3]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 03 Aug 2012 23:07:07 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:06 -0700 Received: from [208.181.206.130] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:05 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.co m> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:07:01 -0700 To: John R Levine , "Scheffenegger, Richard" From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 06:07:08 -0000 At 7:25 PM -0700 8/3/12, John R Levine wrote: >>> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head >>> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. Why would it matter if it's a mobile BP or a printed one? Wouldn't any sort of BP allow one to head straight to immigration (assuming no checked luggage)? > That depends whether the airline's computer remembers whether > they've checked your passport already. United says I'm checked in, > but won't give me a mobile boarding pass. United mailed me my BPs, and they say on them "Verify US Passport" but I assume that's for the gate staff, and that the BP grants me access to US immigration, customs and security. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which, unfortunately, no one we know belongs. From mellon@fugue.com Sat Aug 4 09:00:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CC521F87F1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z2ITkvF9oTKb for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4379721F86D9 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agape-4.lan (c-174-62-144-132.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [174.62.144.132]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E42F62381500; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5607603F-EA38-4B94-B639-3074A822A7C5" From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:00:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:00:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5607603F-EA38-4B94-B639-3074A822A7C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? --Apple-Mail=_5607603F-EA38-4B94-B639-3074A822A7C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;)

Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network?

--Apple-Mail=_5607603F-EA38-4B94-B639-3074A822A7C5-- From smb@cs.columbia.edu Sat Aug 4 10:00:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABADA21F8769 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI0YThevb2kB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambutan.cc.columbia.edu (rambutan.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D956A21F8535 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.9.0.170] (fireball.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.13.10]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by rambutan.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q74Gxsna024119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80246@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:00:30 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <6046F93B-E9EF-4E96-BDE4-520466F0FF2A@cs.columbia.edu> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80246@MX15A.corp.emc.com> To: "" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.5 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] Amtrak ... X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:00:43 -0000 Actually -- and despite posted signs at the station to the contrary -- = they were happy with a ticket displayed on my phone.=20 https://plus.google.com/104851702391844555696/posts/LDzwNGFYtcR On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:46 PM, = wrote: > I'd plan on getting a paper ticket at Pacific Central station ... >=20 > Thanks, > --David (on Amtrak, getting close to Seattle) >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Steven Bellovin >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:17 PM >> To: John R Levine >> Cc: Scheffenegger, Richard; 84attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:25 PM, John R Levine wrote: >>=20 >>>>> If one happens to have a handheld device, check in online and head >>>>> straight to US immigration when you get to the airport. >>>=20 >>> That depends whether the airline's computer remembers whether = they've >> checked your passport already. United says I'm checked in, but won't = give me >> a mobile boarding pass. >>=20 >>=20 >> Hmm -- maybe I shouldn't risk Amtrak's (new) e-ticket, on-screen = ticket >> tomorrow morning... >>=20 >> --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 >=20 --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From randy@psg.com Sat Aug 4 11:16:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BDA21F86A5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.545 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.545 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VdDb7mst7dFs for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6A721F8694 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SxitG-000EE5-0L; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:15:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:15:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <6046F93B-E9EF-4E96-BDE4-520466F0FF2A@cs.columbia.edu> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80246@MX15A.corp.emc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "" , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] Amtrak ... X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:16:01 -0000 > Actually -- and despite posted signs at the station to the contrary -- > they were happy with a ticket displayed on my phone. bolt bus seemed to prefer them From ole@cisco.com Sat Aug 4 11:57:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9A121F8815 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDGJO+cYd4fq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-4.cisco.com (ams-iport-4.cisco.com [144.254.224.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97A221F880C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:57:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=891; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344106657; x=1345316257; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=8Vs73Ghelyi550kJ9e69YM73KH8c+frUxwGmrnmwTvI=; b=ajapiYdMfz7fb4Z7h/XgtalYP9FFGV9gbXoEOa4JgdBxO/sIsYMBfXoZ jF0UQRvnkrXQ4zLGe2CipjjBbTHOIB7xan328lHyuEsMUTJ/46ZP3OMS4 zNUj00CDkmH7uDPRJ67KLssbF6Ibe2mGgZdsaG/6lPbzvWP/Ec0dEDFTD 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AioFAPNvHVCQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABCA4U0tAmBB4IgAQEBAwESAQIlLBMFCwsOCi5XBhMih2UGmwSDSBCbYotKGoNJgyEDiE2SV4UxgxqBBGKCf4E/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="7128257" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 18:57:35 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q74IvYUq023771; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:57:34 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> Message-ID: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Tim Chown , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:57:38 -0000 The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use Global Entry and so on. Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) > > Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? > > From Ralf.Weber@nominum.com Sat Aug 4 12:09:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B521F881B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lj9zsp1q0zDc for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og126.obsmtp.com (exprod7og126.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.206]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A5A21F8815 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob126.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUB1zYu6BBacig9yy5+rTH74DB2XHN8R4@postini.com; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:09:22 PDT Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BFB1B8322 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA780190060; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ralf.Weber@nominum.com) Received: from MBX-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.133]) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.131]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:09:15 -0700 From: Ralf Weber To: Ole Jacobsen Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNcnMdNl/tszVQHU24aumY5Kbt15dKebeA Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:09:14 +0000 Message-ID: <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <44FE6CD593BBE64C898AE6293A53F005@nominum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tim Chown , "<84attendees@ietf.org>" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:09:24 -0000 Moin! On 04.08.2012, at 11:57, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not=20 > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is=20 > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. >=20 > Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. My flight is in a couple of minutes, but I arrived at 09:30 at the airport = and it took me nearly two hours to get to the gate area. The airport was ve= ry packed as well, so this may be common here at YVR. The baggage drop proc= ess IMHO really sucks, that line alone was probably responsible for nearly = half of the wait. I didn't see much priorty lines other than checkin (can't= use Global entry as I am not an US citizen). So long -Ralf --- Ralf Weber Senior Infrastructure Architect Nominum Inc. 2000 Seaport Blvd. Suite 400=20 Redwood City, California 94063 ralf.weber@nominum.com From alastair.johnson@alcatel-lucent.com Sat Aug 4 12:10:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE0521F8823 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.258 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.258 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.992, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1hjCkmE0gBl for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E2C21F87D6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q74J7Y6q002371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:07:34 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1X.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.66]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:07:34 +0200 From: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" To: "'ole@cisco.com'" , "'mellon@fugue.com'" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:07:33 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac1ycx09wc/CVdp4SDuTuEoCOQqanQAAUn0B Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Cc: "'tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk'" , "'84attendees@ietf.org'" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:10:11 -0000 Be glad CATSA weren't also on some kind of "by-the book" go slow like they = were on Wednesday after NANOG in June. That made it truley painful to go through security - there appeared to be s= uits with clipboards auditing the operation. FWIW - Friday at 3pm was just fine, even if I did get the dreaded SSSS on m= y boarding pass. =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ole Jacobsen [mailto:ole@cisco.com] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 08:57 PM=0A= To: Ted Lemon Cc: Tim Chown ; 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf= .org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not=20 very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is=20 speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use Global Entry and so on. Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) >=20 > Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From phil.hunt@oracle.com Sat Aug 4 12:10:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF5521F86C4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.618 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.618 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.415, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ge0qxK8wQjLH for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6689E21F8686 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q74JAYtd022348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:10:35 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q74JAXwj021128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:10:34 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q74JAX53009283; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:10:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.125] (/24.85.226.208) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:10:33 -0700 References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Phil Hunt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:10:32 -0700 To: Ole Jacobsen X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] Cc: Tim Chown , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:10:41 -0000 There is always a big line early in the morning cause US customs opens prett= y late -5am seems to be it. Not much point arriving at 4am as you just wait i= n line for the opening. After that the line goes down quick.=20 Phil On 2012-08-04, at 11:57, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not=20 > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is=20 > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. >=20 > Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: >>> There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) >>=20 >> Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? >>=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ole@cisco.com Sat Aug 4 12:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B18521F8824 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A8OGGTY-fKtP for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AEC21F8821 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=564; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344107971; x=1345317571; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=are7TPdgRjCF9OxClfHnngvuvkohgjt1l69Bkrruqa4=; b=FD+wokLjVNbDSBb7OExxVBuQdLGdP+MB3xloiEpHjapaGTSdyVl0X2fo sMJPiRj8niy4T/Xl7dkfQqycx47mcl/mqJI4k53l3lUDe9VEclXRpTbua THAzbAfXJvOjZHN/GCFt5ZBJDLVzClykDwdfzbX8Uo140I5e8ycWZgGN0 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAMR0HVCrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABFhTS0CYEHgiABAQEDARIBAiU/EAtGVwYTIodlBZp+g0gQm16LSocEA4hNkleIS4EEYoJ/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="51514760" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 19:19:31 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q74JJVBn027705; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:19:31 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Ralf Weber In-Reply-To: <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> Message-ID: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "<84attendees@ietf.org>" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:19:38 -0000 Ralf, I am not a US citizen either. You can apply for Global Entry if you live in the US permanently and you will then be using the green card instead of passport to enter. Bonus is no more oval entry stamps in your passport eating up pages. Ole On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralf Weber wrote: (can't use Global entry as I am not an US citizen). > > So long > -Ralf > --- > Ralf Weber > Senior Infrastructure Architect > Nominum Inc. > 2000 Seaport Blvd. Suite 400 > Redwood City, California 94063 > ralf.weber@nominum.com > > > > From therbst@silverspringnet.com Sat Aug 4 12:37:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4F021F87C4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:37:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r-Zc8x+qSLpg for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com (it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com [74.121.22.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8195221F87B8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAGt5HVAKOQxz/2dsb2JhbABFukSCIAEBAQMBAQEBYwgLDAYBCA0EBAEBCx0uCxQJCAIEAQ0FCId/EbofBItKhiRgA4gYky6Mbg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="13392886" Received: from unknown (HELO SFO-EXCA-02.silverspringnet.com) ([10.57.12.115]) by it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 04 Aug 2012 12:37:30 -0700 Received: from SFO-EXMB-03.silverspringnet.com ([fe80::e877:a0b0:2e8d:1b57]) by SFO-EXCA-02.silverspringnet.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:37:29 -0700 From: Thomas Herbst To: "'ole@cisco.com'" , "'Ralf.Weber@nominum.com'" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+ipTxSETqZtTkGAdrtRxA7HwZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA7eVAIAAAqEAgAAA9QCAAAwKgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiICAAANEAIAAAt+A//+PrCQ= Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:37:28 +0000 Message-ID: <7FCB0B3CF842034294E7FDBD59418BD2024E7F@SFO-EXMB-03.silverspringnet.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.57.12.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'84attendees@ietf.org'" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Thomas Herbst Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:37:30 -0000 Global entry still uses your passport for air travel, but you are in a data= base. They do add a sticker to the passport to let you go to the head of th= e line if the kiosk is down. The global entry cards are for ground and sea = travel. The cards are also another legal US federal identification, but nob= ody accepts them because they uncommon. =20 NEXUS needed the passport and the NEXUS card today, but it saved an hour at= immigration and security. Did not expect the 35 minute delay to check a ba= g at YVR today. NEXUS has saved me more than an hour on an entry to Canada,= but the line was short this time.=20 This was a great venue and I hope we are back soon.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ole Jacobsen [mailto:ole@cisco.com] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 12:19 PM=0A= To: Ralf Weber Cc: <84attendees@ietf.org> <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Ralf, I am not a US citizen either. You can apply for Global Entry if you=20 live in the US permanently and you will then be using the green card instead of passport to enter. Bonus is no more oval entry stamps in your passport eating up pages. Ole On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralf Weber wrote: (can't use Global entry as I am not an US citizen). >=20 > So long > -Ralf > --- > Ralf Weber > Senior Infrastructure Architect > Nominum Inc. > 2000 Seaport Blvd. Suite 400=20 > Redwood City, California 94063 > ralf.weber@nominum.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From jon.hudson@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 13:35:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78FD21F8769 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zVKLWW1JJ6Fc for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B38C21F87BD for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so1528810pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=8UtoWinIH5PoqWjD3ZdvIFD3IwPMcvEeEqkEYWbL0aY=; b=uaEQGQBldS8G3++CmAt6bq6p35Etgae0+lf1u0EpOv765Zp/fQtV4Z9dA0Pdm7MfZE K8z3YlFy62oXOsHKtlPMkwzXxnS+6vQ99HxAKHlOi2XM3rAJhqW/U30CkT6Q5s6cbm1F xxPXyNQHZR0o36qMKFRZ7yRSL0fo752JQfSMgj9l+XpOo7vDgSX34R5dI5VwLmdRi3MW gI5q8W1KrHFZ7PTTGGOfpEwMjD4OnHAIhObOt1/0lOvbBffqZl8aSPLmEfBeXnOHgiKO i/lnp456pcBQ8aA/EsV0QxmvQ4Tg3BSjBCvws3jvcnPnvl8FGq7PD6+Fg6FzknQGCEO9 1U3g== Received: by 10.66.90.105 with SMTP id bv9mr526116pab.42.1344112499826; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (c-98-234-218-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.218.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oo6sm2123523pbc.22.2012.08.04.13.34.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <7FCB0B3CF842034294E7FDBD59418BD2024E7F@SFO-EXMB-03.silverspringnet.com> In-Reply-To: <7FCB0B3CF842034294E7FDBD59418BD2024E7F@SFO-EXMB-03.silverspringnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jon Hudson Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:34:54 -0700 To: Thomas Herbst Cc: "Ralf.Weber@nominum.com" , "ole@cisco.com" , Thomas Herbst , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:35:00 -0000 Second that!!! Great venue!!!! Airport, food, hotel, surroundings, conferenc= e rooms, wifi were all very nice.=20 Only complaint was really the elevators, but that has been well documented ;= -) Vancouver++ On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Thomas Herbst wro= te: > Global entry still uses your passport for air travel, but you are in a dat= abase. They do add a sticker to the passport to let you go to the head of th= e line if the kiosk is down. The global entry cards are for ground and sea t= ravel. The cards are also another legal US federal identification, but nobod= y accepts them because they uncommon. =20 >=20 > NEXUS needed the passport and the NEXUS card today, but it saved an hour a= t immigration and security. Did not expect the 35 minute delay to check a ba= g at YVR today. NEXUS has saved me more than an hour on an entry to Canada, b= ut the line was short this time.=20 >=20 > This was a great venue and I hope we are back soon.=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ole Jacobsen [mailto:ole@cisco.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 12:19 PM > To: Ralf Weber > Cc: <84attendees@ietf.org> <84attendees@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >=20 >=20 > Ralf, >=20 > I am not a US citizen either. You can apply for Global Entry if you=20 > live in the US permanently and you will then be using the green card > instead of passport to enter. Bonus is no more oval entry stamps in > your passport eating up pages. >=20 > Ole >=20 > On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralf Weber wrote: >=20 > (can't use Global entry as I am not an US citizen). >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> So long >> -Ralf >> --- >> Ralf Weber >> Senior Infrastructure Architect >> Nominum Inc. >> 2000 Seaport Blvd. Suite 400=20 >> Redwood City, California 94063 >> ralf.weber@nominum.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From jason_livingood@cable.comcast.com Sat Aug 4 16:28:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF9821F8769 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.758, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RN1s-oGmCpk2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cable.comcast.com (pacdcavout01.cable.comcast.com [69.241.43.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B381321F86EC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.56.114]) by pacdcavout01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id 97wm3m1.21863401; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:24:12 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com ([169.254.8.184]) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::84e8:95f3:f13b:169e%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:28:14 -0400 From: "Livingood, Jason" To: "ole@cisco.com" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "therbst@silverspringnet.com" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+io6Y+l6iUlsUiz0fgXBy7v2ZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA0GmwIAARkUAgAAA9gCAAAwJgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiYCAAANDAIAAAuCAgAAFBACAABAMAP//uxGA Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:28:12 +0000 Message-ID: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.2.120421 x-originating-ip: [24.40.55.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <78F9522A6BA7C34BAFAD5FEF3E22652A@cable.comcast.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:28:19 -0000 Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have Global Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to check, so hopefully that will speed me through security. Jason >On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Thomas Herbst >wrote: > >> Global entry still uses your passport for air travel, but you are in a >>database. They do add a sticker to the passport to let you go to the >>head of the line if the kiosk is down. The global entry cards are for >>ground and sea travel. The cards are also another legal US federal >>identification, but nobody accepts them because they uncommon. >>=20 >> NEXUS needed the passport and the NEXUS card today, but it saved an >>hour at immigration and security. Did not expect the 35 minute delay to >>check a bag at YVR today. NEXUS has saved me more than an hour on an >>entry to Canada, but the line was short this time. >>=20 >> This was a great venue and I hope we are back soon. >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ole Jacobsen [mailto:ole@cisco.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 12:19 PM >> To: Ralf Weber >> Cc: <84attendees@ietf.org> <84attendees@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >>=20 >>=20 >> Ralf, >>=20 >> I am not a US citizen either. You can apply for Global Entry if you >> live in the US permanently and you will then be using the green card >> instead of passport to enter. Bonus is no more oval entry stamps in >> your passport eating up pages. >>=20 >> Ole >>=20 >> On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralf Weber wrote: >>=20 >> (can't use Global entry as I am not an US citizen). >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> So long >>> -Ralf >>> --- >>> Ralf Weber >>> Senior Infrastructure Architect >>> Nominum Inc. >>> 2000 Seaport Blvd. Suite 400 >>> Redwood City, California 94063 >>> ralf.weber@nominum.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From alastair.johnson@alcatel-lucent.com Sat Aug 4 16:50:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B98521F86B6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zrQY7BU70Cvg for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC8E21F865F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q74NoWs0009519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:50:32 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1X.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.66]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:50:31 +0200 From: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" To: "Livingood, Jason" , "ole@cisco.com" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "therbst@silverspringnet.com" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:50:15 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+io6Y+l6iUlsUiz0fgXBy7v2ZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA0GmwIAARkUAgAAA9gCAAAwJgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiYCAAANDAIAAAuCAgAAFBACAABAMAP//uxGAgAA339A= Message-ID: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:50:40 -0000 > Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have Global > Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to check, so > hopefully that will speed me through security. There is Global Entry, but I don't know if it gets you priority security ac= cess (NEXUS does). The Global Entry booth is after security at the US Immig= ration area. Do not expect any of the folks at your airline checkin area to know what Gl= obal Entry is and thus they will thrust form 6059B at you. That said - I don't have either of these timesavers. From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:06:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642DC21F8723 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jijCufFbSxVx for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7716021F865F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so2037097vbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=jHr/M3jypxHIWwkCyntNg4vbbG4vXC4aoeTZ7w9qBV4=; b=rXugn6K2WYFNc8NuSFuQWvvh6EGhnYaPPnhkNTyV6kxLbxfLlI4Tw6Ae7g5L66mv6H jHoUC8y+B1o0emTQUAx4PUHGD/5JO+f0YQfVA72gXvdCnCbLLiYuDTx4EHjX25BVBKkU X7WbMqR2me4b0z/lZvFcnn2UqWkgAvJHpCBc8cIR2nLzFLULKgO6B5j75Z0C8hDggx6c PufuAOrZk9Fm11bFKmZbPYC0X0dgGh8homturz2e3dPK0RFRy4WZS6m90iCBGVX+Zq1A L0tNoOQTC4zQ2li9mArc80KlJBIeTZz2Bm04+0vJI2p7BlNSGnC+bC0AdINo06BGTxTc DqRA== Received: by 10.220.157.65 with SMTP id a1mr4772854vcx.39.1344125201860; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.145] (c-24-62-106-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [24.62.106.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm12413071vdu.1.2012.08.04.17.06.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:06:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Ralph Droms Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:06:39 -0400 To: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" Cc: "ole@cisco.com" , "Livingood, Jason" , "therbst@silverspringnet.com" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:06:43 -0000 I used GOES Saturday morning. Saved me 45 minutes at immigration, around 6a= m. - Ralph On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" wrote: >> Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have Global >> Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to check, so= >> hopefully that will speed me through security. >=20 > There is Global Entry, but I don't know if it gets you priority security a= ccess (NEXUS does). The Global Entry booth is after security at the US Immig= ration area. >=20 > Do not expect any of the folks at your airline checkin area to know what G= lobal Entry is and thus they will thrust form 6059B at you. >=20 > That said - I don't have either of these timesavers. > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ole@cisco.com Sat Aug 4 17:43:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7700321F877E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MTRB4gb23V5N for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D899C21F8670 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=1263; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344127413; x=1345337013; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=zVoNX3yHDjnjyB0k4+pAa1Lx1lemLlD1k7BdA6sGglc=; b=kcVTKpLDVxeRsN9LkWLEgk2zszbwCV8BfhVusiG8CngkCLpdt6o0pDB0 iOrjt6LtES9r4Pvpbdok66O94m/acuromYLIWGgwi8ltT7E7j9JcRQnvb 63Pckixi1VmUyWI05ewB0hhGxT6B+1sB3Cm/TtMHvGvNaYeVWMLe0VU/X U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAHfBHVCrRDoH/2dsb2JhbABCA7k+gQeCIAEBAQMBAQEBDwECJTQLBQsLDgouJzAGEyKHZQUMmnCDSBCbU4tKGoNJgyEDiE2SV4UxgxqBBGKCf4E/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="50991052" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 00:43:26 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q750hQl3017004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 00:43:26 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR \(ALASTAIR\)" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , "therbst@silverspringnet.com" Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:43:34 -0000 Yep, same here. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralph Droms wrote: > I used GOES Saturday morning. Saved me 45 minutes at immigration, around 6am. > > - Ralph > > > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" wrote: > > >> Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have Global > >> Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to check, so > >> hopefully that will speed me through security. > > > > There is Global Entry, but I don't know if it gets you priority security access (NEXUS does). The Global Entry booth is after security at the US Immigration area. > > > > Do not expect any of the folks at your airline checkin area to know what Global Entry is and thus they will thrust form 6059B at you. > > > > That said - I don't have either of these timesavers. > > _______________________________________________ > > 84attendees mailing list > > 84attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From bob.hinden@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 18:02:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C7921F8817 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PX8jYpcIpgrZ for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F47A21F8810 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so1105507wgb.13 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=hQ3Wv9E/O/AtZQkU8zK+tBrv4d2IAU0/6mYBVczN8Vc=; b=nHnTH0/bDMLY/tFldQnAd+f1ZVVTuS8Ebowaj1DFoF7UvdqdTTXg7ZXRg0DCcaG6Vm iNsXfqVlhDNeauTY8RLc+SG4Ej4KDR9SL4HctF9afERN+XCshiYPFGS7dkveKk7SfNDr KH9hSFsjU/h66J1rucovbUcGIm3oXedQ/9OrwsJ/vpn5ZHV7HiRAIjYBidDAaapDnEch 02xwns4m52sHZYNVTGxgXMrqQlJLvLmO3xf55KVzGNxRsrQGYWo0w1iVt0uuZDhoB4DK I8MlDJtuqpQrFwhJ7oXp2eXCkT6iMbqZgfpiFR6K4q1LVIQKbBod6JoexJ7RzJBHDGYy Oeug== Received: by 10.180.96.3 with SMTP id do3mr7620765wib.5.1344128568160; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-113a.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-113a.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.17.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7sm6604129wiz.0.2012.08.04.18.02.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1280) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:02:40 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1280) Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR \(ALASTAIR\)" , Bob Hinden , "therbst@silverspringnet.com" , Ralph Droms , "Livingood, Jason" Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:02:50 -0000 Is there a separate line, signs, etc.? Bob On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > Yep, same here. >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ralph Droms wrote: >=20 >> I used GOES Saturday morning. Saved me 45 minutes at immigration, = around 6am. >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" = wrote: >>=20 >>>> Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have = Global >>>> Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to = check, so >>>> hopefully that will speed me through security. >>>=20 >>> There is Global Entry, but I don't know if it gets you priority = security access (NEXUS does). The Global Entry booth is after security = at the US Immigration area. >>>=20 >>> Do not expect any of the folks at your airline checkin area to know = what Global Entry is and thus they will thrust form 6059B at you. >>>=20 >>> That said - I don't have either of these timesavers. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ole@cisco.com Sat Aug 4 18:11:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFEA21F8821 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48dqZFdkJzVp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62E421F8820 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=325; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344129112; x=1345338712; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=ZGuFnfFJYgRAVHoa6gzWW49jIAhlWenKH1rs1GHu4wg=; b=W0maRPGA4AptooWLqYYOwgVbjCrGS4xtIUG+9Z8DLj3pxzo8hKnuQAib L/Vx5yP/IbTuIISk+oE5X92RffvA1aRrMTE+8po5QY7Xx2Got47h07MBY XyrYfaCxVIXvecuV+MDm70NreX7titZb/Gqsg5GpCAZnx41wvZPjCQqVe E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFAJrHHVCrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABCA4U0tAmBB4IgAQEBAwESAQIlPwULC0ZXBhMih2UFmnSDSBCbUYtKGoNJgyEDiE2SV4UxgxqBBGKCf4E/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="50992421" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 01:11:52 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q751Bp81002584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 01:11:52 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR \(ALASTAIR\)" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , Ralph Droms , "therbst@silverspringnet.com" Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:11:53 -0000 Yes. 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Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Bob Hinden wrote: > Is there a separate line, signs, etc.? > > Bob > From johnl@taugh.com Sat Aug 4 20:27:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4711F21F882E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h3F8UfPcreGr for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604D821F882D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 36526 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 03:27:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8ead.501de83b.k1208; bh=OZUqsBVLd/rlHIcXLkm2oaRR0UbPqkk4Hxl2n17iT+c=; b=Pf0/T/s2RRKKp3jO86haiUtKhZdRtrZCX7gbNCtatXB+59L5UsKSIyY81JnBqW94Jh5Z5C4SkfOONoFkxtvUKkbIW02l5nI0Irnj/Q6/zLqQeIk8cB++A11s5RhZuBXKkgONyi+keJXyU+kt5Awfp3Y/6GxjKQO5aiZB0xjFrWg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8ead.501de83b.k1208; bh=OZUqsBVLd/rlHIcXLkm2oaRR0UbPqkk4Hxl2n17iT+c=; b=qnAKrDbzcl0bKskdamL7cyZHQMVOiIiePH53QbUaONQSUEqaB0UGba5ZDt3XiUeW5eN2ce8dyIJCd5MWYDFhn3BdYuf/SUcvJgvQaEaaozPe3rN+c/OW+zjGLHWx8+dLatRiPI6EI6DRBeJJVrARQgCZyoVGAKlmUej4XkvcTNk= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 03:27:32 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 2012 23:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Ole Jacobsen" In-Reply-To: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 03:27:57 -0000 > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. Huh, I got there at 4:30 for a 6:00 flight to the US, and the security line didn't seem any worse than usual. I did print my boarding pass at the hotel and I have GOES where there's never a line at immigration. > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. There are other reasons why getting up at 0345 is not optimal. R's, John From johnl@taugh.com Sat Aug 4 20:33:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C876A21F882F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WAgFq+-PXjKL for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B5321F882E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 37378 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 03:33:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=9201.501de98e.k1208; bh=FmfmeoWvYbZJPjOFLOq46mUR5Q6WuTT+zZrgKuS5VPg=; b=CD2RQ/rS7nY9LC03P4YhstcQeXQVl/DX/nwe96r1CGz5iQfFALMb3Pb0ns63sHYdpH8mDtZcWkLHOdMLgTKRXzB6/THzSzANEGdVg/PpPjt9RSWq8Lm1OjMVntHhbBFwtoURQ4rPgQpDPKWdlaBfXhWbFlhPBMM8jNQ/G+1gHHA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=9201.501de98e.k1208; bh=FmfmeoWvYbZJPjOFLOq46mUR5Q6WuTT+zZrgKuS5VPg=; b=k3QgEt0LIemxemYqAdn4HGD79a3MADPYcaSrSMpjuEG/6142sAKi7NSIFRCvpPBu6E4MhLD8Pq3gBGezOqAIwexfbsOXihH8ZvzmW95j5CNVDUhMxJ/hCFZaaE8sYe9NtFJpPOit1oWr1tPpIXXx9Zoq5lz51ABJiV9uAOOmKAA= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 03:33:12 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 2012 23:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Bob Hinden" In-Reply-To: <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.com> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 03:33:35 -0000 > Is there a separate line, signs, etc.? The NEXUS and GOES machines are next to each other, and after you get the card from either, you go to a separate line where a guy pretty much waves you through. I slightly prefer the GOES machine because you don't need to fill out a blue customs card, except that the petty bureaucrats at security don't know that so you have to fill one out and then throw it away. Fun economy tip: applying for GOES costs $100. Applying for NEXUS costs $50, and once you have NEXUS, you can add on GOES for free. Re the NEXUS card, people tend to know what they are in parts of the US close to the Canadian and Mexican borders, not other places. If you have a NEXUS card and provide the number when you check in for your flight in the US, that's supposed to get you into the new sort of experimental expedited security lines where you get to keep your shoes on. R's, John From rpelletier@isoc.org Sat Aug 4 20:46:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B5921F877E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.209, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QWcqTn1qevBq for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp153.ord.emailsrvr.com (smtp153.ord.emailsrvr.com [173.203.6.153]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF6D21F876A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp24.relay.ord1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A53C91980A8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp24.relay.ord1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 714551980A7 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Pelletier Ray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:46:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8D52D451-5932-4E9C-BD15-ABC7BF7C54B2@isoc.org> To: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [84attendees] Sat Nite Fireworks: 4 August X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 03:46:45 -0000 All, Those who are still here. The 34th floor will be open to see the fireworks. I'll be heading up = about 9:30. May be a partially blocked view but likely better than being in a = 500,000 person crush. Ray From randy@qualcomm.com Sat Aug 4 21:34:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18ABD21F8844 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRDs05ia4Xbn for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E380021F8846 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:34:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344141269; x=1375677269; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=ohpfc9Dks0hQuPLeevoXSlYbMhEJOc0Sg7V9i4KfUTI=; b=l6QTl2hibJERXZfDtD/FdDIuWe4ej+n4bMP/lUptOrqhfn6aH/X+tLoZ k7qIszPlzflU0sboAdvYW2bZhRCHiRHNCriH0OMX2wEl2LMCnPl+lRwCh y+i6wpEZGvKdvlRzEe0jiExwzb4mr6Cm+se06rjddC1eky5Yrrn0J/3mU Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6793"; a="217688737" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 21:34:12 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="274639037" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 04 Aug 2012 21:34:12 -0700 Received: from [208.181.206.130] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:34:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.c om> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.c om> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:31:32 -0700 To: Ole Jacobsen , Ted Lemon , Ralf Weber From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: Tim Chown , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:34:30 -0000 At 11:57 AM -0700 8/4/12, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. > > Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. At 7:09 PM +0000 8/4/12, Ralf Weber wrote: > My flight is in a couple of minutes, but I arrived at 09:30 at the > airport and it took me nearly two hours to get to the gate area. > The airport was very packed as well, so this may be common here at > YVR. The baggage drop process IMHO really sucks, that line alone > was probably responsible for nearly half of the wait. I didn't see > much priorty lines other than checkin (can't use Global entry as I > am not an US citizen). I had a 12:44 PM flight. I meant to leave the hotel between 11:00 and 11:10, but didn't actually leave until 11:35. It took less than 20 minutes to get to the airport. Having my BP and no luggage to check, I skipped the checked baggage queues and headed to security. The line for those with NEXUS and GE was empty, so that took maybe 90 seconds. After the GE kiosk, I had to wait 4 minutes while the lone agent dedicated to GE/NEXUS/Diplomatic/Wheelchair handled a couple where one was in a wheelchair. Hotel to gate roughly 30 minutes (although I walked rather fast to my gate). On previous visits to Vancouver, the security and customs/immigration queues took well over an hour. I'll be there again in two weeks, leaving on a Sunday evening, so will see what that's like. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn falsehoods. --Lazarus Long From randy@qualcomm.com Sat Aug 4 21:51:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5757E21F86DB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DeU2mfHijOAM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781B621F86DA for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344142293; x=1375678293; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=gspjtIfA38ZOPl4AusICzgtvfnvOTJmE0jI5aUTZyhA=; b=IVn7k4FPnM2wHZFhnWpd16trSrdm5vy9vv++OLTqxVsTtS1r0P164do3 Esj9KBXr0LuXQ+k9fckR7qc1hm8PJRtmw0TtFzYhZSPgpx/r8ll8LBqGQ uR/44w/TaNLefo7dt7nuBb2x5Slgk4gHJ4ime8BqHZBaqVrwKCy4aA87I A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6793"; a="220032894" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 21:51:31 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160311867" Received: from nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.3]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 04 Aug 2012 21:51:31 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:30 -0700 Received: from [208.181.206.130] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:37:43 -0700 To: "Livingood, Jason" , "ole@cisco.com" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "therbst@silverspringnet.com" , "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" , Ralph Droms From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:51:33 -0000 At 11:28 PM +0000 8/4/12, Jason Livingood wrote: > Is there a Global Entry line / area or just a NEXUS one? I have Global > Entry but not NEXUS as far as I can tell. I also have no bag to check, so > hopefully that will speed me through security. There is one security lane (far right) with signs saying it is for those with NEXUS or Global Entry, but no one checked. At 1:50 AM +0200 8/5/12, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR) JOHNSON wrote: > Do not expect any of the folks at your airline checkin area to know > what Global Entry is and thus they will thrust form 6059B at you. Airline checkin? Just print the BP ahead, and go right to security. At 8:06 PM -0400 8/4/12, Ralph Droms wrote: > I used GOES Saturday morning. Saved me 45 minutes at immigration, > around 6am. Minor pedantic note: GOES is the Global Online Enrollment System, the web site to apply for a Trusted Traveler program. NEXUS, Global Entry, and SENTRI are specific Trusted Traveler programs. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The fewer episodes of a TV show one has seen, the greater the chance that one has already viewed the episode one is watching. --Randall Gellens From randy@qualcomm.com Sat Aug 4 21:51:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82B321F86DB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yElrVxBXoKXS for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB1321F86DA for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344142294; x=1375678294; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=PYXWr2w2eINxoko5PEY53EdDj53J1/cxJRmOcq0agTA=; b=nQCRhLZGWcrrzjBL89O3pwa626omX3Zzt8WPO7YB9PedKl8BD+eWa2HU Xryd8JF6alrFTV0jt6rgKUnQOSXMQa09sevLFnrs3PjpU3lrpLlodzs83 9yZkCkvnkXuqUYcnEagSO3Or1PkDMSE+JhoYMCu+cfi1vkfQkqSew42uo g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6793"; a="217697317" Received: from ironmsg04-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.18]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 21:51:34 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="361149327" Received: from nasanexhc14.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.23]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 04 Aug 2012 21:51:34 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc14.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:33 -0700 Received: from [208.181.206.130] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:32 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:50:25 -0700 To: John R Levine , Bob Hinden From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:51:34 -0000 At 11:33 PM -0400 8/4/12, John R Levine wrote: > I slightly prefer the GOES machine because you don't need to fill > out a blue customs card, except that the petty bureaucrats at > security don't know that so you have to fill one out and then throw > it away. I've never had to fill out a customs declaration form, nor had anyone at security ask for one. (Although I often will carry one that's partly filled in, with the date and list of countries blank, so that if the kiosks are down I don't have to fill it out from scratch.) > Fun economy tip: applying for GOES costs $100. Applying for NEXUS > costs $50, and once you have NEXUS, you can add on GOES for free. GOES is the platform to apply for GE, NEXUS, and SENTRI. Regardless, is it still the case that GE costs $100 while NEXUS costs $50, and depending on which you get first it costs either $50 or $150 for both? I know it was the case when I got both a couple years ago, but I thought they've been more closely integrated since, with one common application fee. (When I did enroll, I did it the $150 way because I wanted to have GE in time for Beijing, and all it took was a drive to the border, while getting NEXUS required going to a major airport in Canada or nearby. > Re the NEXUS card, people tend to know what they are in parts of > the US close to the Canadian and Mexican borders, not other places. > If you have a NEXUS card and provide the number when you check in > for your flight in the US, that's supposed to get you into the new > sort of experimental expedited security lines where you get to keep > your shoes on. The TSA Pre-Check program is a known traveler program, separate from CBP Trusted Traveler programs, but as you say, being enrolled in a CBP TT makes you eligible for Pre-Check, and possibly more likely to be selected for expedited screening where you keep you shoes on, liquids in, laptop in, go though a metal detector rather than a body scanner, etc. But, Pre-Check is still a pilot program, and only certain airlines are participating (high-status members of those airlines' frequent flyer programs are eligible, as well as those enrolled in a CBP TT program). Also, international segments are still, as far as I know, excluded, so you won't get expedited screening if you're boarding or connecting to an international flight, although domestic connections from an international segment are now eligible. See: http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/escreening.shtm -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- It's impossible to think anything but pleasant thoughts while eating a homegrown tomato. From johnl@taugh.com Sat Aug 4 22:10:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E55421F8818 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EFKw-WE4HqbO for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5386C21F87E0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 56725 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 05:10:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=dd94.501e0031.k1208; bh=W+wFXICgI7q6qGE3Cc/lkYfmO5YpSD28NakvVUXQ/nM=; b=ATdaB15KGYOXo7qWAD8AyrjmHRA6i/J4wZqcV69BZmHvqeI3Ms0dDt44i6u88UPp1vdRRaz3CxoPbNrNW/zgMqVtvau1RZXEYOP1p3HQxGdxCR2SVjmUnfuQTQerxza0qZC16H7X+gU3AuajDD91tQ9F2+irIqnu5WJAA7Y1gJs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=dd94.501e0031.k1208; bh=W+wFXICgI7q6qGE3Cc/lkYfmO5YpSD28NakvVUXQ/nM=; b=s1LDJghE+iUKucGrnQerHK9/c0Nme8XtHd+W6LtShPUNeVf+rU3AM0ElS4OcWJPrUryXtlqPJAGEpNxNgAggE8uKJN2FZgPmEPctjRI6/CqhDUS9BPRLBgrhBlWXPGoyIzUtG1gBoxYdZtIvcu5lEmdp/WOXtb3Bj9D+3ePeVug= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 05:09:47 -0000 Date: 5 Aug 2012 01:10:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 05:10:11 -0000 >> I slightly prefer the GOES machine because you don't need to fill out a >> blue customs card, except that the petty bureaucrats at security don't know >> that so you have to fill one out and then throw it away. > > I've never had to fill out a customs declaration form, nor had anyone at > security ask for one. Happens to me all the time when I connect through Montreal or Toronto to the US. You do need a blue card for NEXUS, not for GOES, and they don't know the difference. > GOES is the platform to apply for GE, NEXUS, and SENTRI. Regardless, is it > still the case that GE costs $100 while NEXUS costs $50, and depending on > which you get first it costs either $50 or $150 for both? Just $50. Personal experience. R's, John From wjhns1@hardakers.net Sat Aug 4 22:30:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2536C21F8842 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.311, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h1XqJEh4LbEA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F334D21F8611 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187:8a2:3128:7f27:8afe]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 127341CC; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Brian Campbell References: <501958FD.5030300@lacnic.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:30:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Brian Campbell's message of "Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:06:55 -0700") Message-ID: <0lfw81oqgn.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: 84attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Fireworks tonight along English bay X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 05:30:51 -0000 Brian Campbell writes: > A few photos of the fireworks last night: > > http://flic.kr/p/cJz4R7 > http://flic.kr/p/cJyS5S > http://flic.kr/p/cJyY6Q Don't forget (everyone on flickr) to add your pictures to the IETF group. Here's the best of my firework shots: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102459657085454157956/posts/P2Ph9Y5DFg7 The light before the event was fantastic too on Saturday night (jul 27). http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardaker/7713472528/in/photostream -- Wes Hardaker SPARTA, Inc. From randy@qualcomm.com Sat Aug 4 23:56:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CF621F8665 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:56:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bTi8AqxDwte1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6952A21F8605 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:56:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344149776; x=1375685776; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=eNQhKlfd9n9NrT1EvEQvohEYZINxnHQ8B++oljBeg1A=; b=Hul7UDpPM8CGFs0PDa8+Mvp+18//0IxoiFzkbh009TcdYMKRAQ0qRk4K mtXpyDXcX7LWN9mWI1LW+03/yc0KNMibyOrWaTh9YJ0e3jT3oMBV92Y+d Tj1rHvCioVtVU12bNcgzTkOCPIcXkc0asPZxJxyEO3x9B8+HnZd4dBD+O s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6793"; a="217759997" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2012 23:56:16 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,714,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="274732343" Received: from nasanexhc07.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.190]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 04 Aug 2012 23:56:16 -0700 Received: from [208.181.206.130] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:56:13 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:53:03 -0700 To: John R Levine From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 06:56:16 -0000 At 1:10 AM -0400 8/5/12, John R Levine wrote: >>> I slightly prefer the GOES machine because you don't need to >>> fill out a blue customs card, except that the petty bureaucrats >>> at security don't know that so you have to fill one out and then >>> throw it away. >> >> I've never had to fill out a customs declaration form, nor had >> anyone at security ask for one. > > Happens to me all the time when I connect through Montreal or > Toronto to the US. You do need a blue card for NEXUS, not for > GOES, and they don't know the difference. Who is it that makes you fill it out? >> Regardless, is it still the case that GE costs $100 while NEXUS >> costs $50, and depending on which you get first it costs either >> $50 or $150 for both? > > Just $50. Personal experience. Good to know, thanks. When did you enroll? -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- 1. If reproducibility may be a problem, conduct the test only once. 2. If a straight line fit is required, obtain only two data points. From alastair.johnson@alcatel-lucent.com Sun Aug 5 06:01:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B921F84C5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.331, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYMhwqNFF5OS for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6805321F84B5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q75D13ZN013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:01:04 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1X.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.66]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:01:03 +0200 From: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" To: Randall Gellens , "Livingood, Jason" , "ole@cisco.com" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, "therbst@silverspringnet.com" , Ralph Droms Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:00:48 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac1yxf3lTEO0TpuuQNG9MiNMrcFfbAARDZ9g Message-ID: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:01:14 -0000 > Airline checkin? Just print the BP ahead, and go right to security.=20 This is not possible for [US-bound flights for] a lot of people who require= document checks. Including me. From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Aug 5 06:10:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789221F849C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.826 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.826 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.623, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kI57WMNKRMWe for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A6B21F8493 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 06:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q75DAtge013017 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:10:55 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk q75DAtge013017 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1344172255; bh=gunNzNXmXR9ZjkSa0Ju4SazXpys=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:Mime-Version; b=XJooxxunsPLro33cSXrr9TBPIJ5t5EWAISI6FT1Slt3qAWVLulKclXFCZ2sXF/UoY q8WY/E3Lv6lgp+IZGN9V0BKwE883+9YElSB1WaZBtapw0TKD/bFn6HoBEShRgLQjUk JjsrbpzAucmoX/Lg5QdS8DkYdH/cy7pLAribsLhU= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id o74EAs0430641121YX ret-id none; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:10:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host213-123-213-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.213.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q75DALCb009053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:10:22 +0100 References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.c om> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.c om> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> <4F382F7E-F34A-4F45-98E4-97A0CADC2370@ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:10:26 +0100 To: 84attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=o74EAs043064112100; tid=o74EAs0430641121YX; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: q75DAtge013017 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:10:58 -0000 On 5 Aug 2012, at 05:31, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 11:57 AM -0700 8/4/12, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 >> The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not >> very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made >> our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is >> speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use >> Global Entry and so on. >=20 > On previous visits to Vancouver, the security and customs/immigration queu= es took well over an hour. I'll be there again in two weeks, leaving on a S= unday evening, so will see what that's like. At 5pm on Friday the airport was very quiet going out, maybe 10 mins at most= to clear security. The "priority" lane was slower, as we overtook another I= ETFer in that queue :) Tim= From johnl@taugh.com Sun Aug 5 07:16:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B506021F84EF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBlq8entmbwV for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DD221F84F1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33479 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 14:16:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=82c6.501e804b.k1208; bh=028qB8de8fM5X4niurslmg6nEpKGxtIsxqJ6/lmd6iU=; b=Bb+IZeb0P/x4QCkO8uXUng1w8HlFIX35dKBDP7x4N8zCfORM0XDh14O+KkyrQawyqNiQB0ro9HGgkHGXhf+li20v2IsMzGTrpmkXn/bLNk778qaFBioHwQaVdTC+Hpzz6NQYu6ZWZ7nAkFaNRgVyv1kq+kuHw42Exy5l8+XWqaU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=82c6.501e804b.k1208; bh=028qB8de8fM5X4niurslmg6nEpKGxtIsxqJ6/lmd6iU=; b=AwrlRfVWydL1ZNNSE2GRyGvJrie+TpLuvG7GeZpEIzuZf69QojhnNske26A6Lb7C1lwly4uKypsMz2FZ3EBHg9kfBRAZPUra41dvRvTgK6wDfICXVwieWeaMYo1naTKkN7TxkXtgUHshLGLy4Lt0mcR9Ek5rbZuA6vfK2ZfccWM= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 14:16:21 -0000 Date: 5 Aug 2012 10:16:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:16:46 -0000 >> Happens to me all the time when I connect through Montreal or Toronto to >> the US. You do need a blue card for NEXUS, not for GOES, and they don't >> know the difference. > > Who is it that makes you fill it out? When you connect from outside North America to the US at YYZ or YUL, you go to a room with a baggage carousel to pick up your checked bags, even if you don't have any, and there is a person who won't let you go from there to immigration unless you have a boarding pass to the US and a blue card. >> [NEXUS + GOES is ] Just $50. Personal experience. > > Good to know, thanks. When did you enroll? Long enough ago that I renewed my NEXUS card earlier this year. R's, John From johnl@taugh.com Sun Aug 5 07:18:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814E21F84F1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kIk2y7qUrS8c for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB2621F84EF for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 34112 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 14:18:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=853e.501e80ba.k1208; bh=p+4ab+4bqXVfQ9L5uVfuggXHFyL0wQshwwygv7/o9hc=; b=nL4T6DnXqzD9ZHu6Wm7APtZknPg6ZDDCFmqpsShxIypeFv3XQbBD2mqUfo0iX8xO7mWZb2RkGr9krBXe1ozjNCx79RXr0q+jlNhpIkQeA4mTHBDSDL57WgbvR9vaMvHsbFlsjfR5aKDelfqPPw3cJup8sMcqsieifO0Ukx1eius= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=853e.501e80ba.k1208; bh=p+4ab+4bqXVfQ9L5uVfuggXHFyL0wQshwwygv7/o9hc=; b=vjyiz6LNOTzq798O6gfJ1Ew3CyJzqk4kaY721enmWcV+4gbW2qQKfNEg8sjYpnrwFwtYBtzcaz+eY9wzSs376y/x1ctxlJth2ncMQa2jXlUmAp4nJj6pP3xRZnUAATsA8JZZs5QEHs29EMcvUIkZLnMKTJaQKjOkfoj65Mg18iY= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 14:18:12 -0000 Date: 5 Aug 2012 10:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:18:36 -0000 >> Airline checkin? Just print the BP ahead, and go right to security. > > This is not possible for [US-bound flights for] a lot of people who require document checks. Including me. I was on United, the boarding pass did say "Verify US Passport" but it let me print it anyway. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From dblumenthal@pir.org Sun Aug 5 09:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425421F84FB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.376 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AXHTWfV6SIZE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pir.org (173-10-164-41-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.164.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77F421F84B3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PIR-MAIL-01.PIR.com ([192.168.27.12]) by pir-mail-01 ([192.168.27.12]) with mapi; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:24:35 -0400 From: Don Blumenthal To: John R Levine Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:24:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac1zJsz31Y7neSEuSXCogCWoklWZzQ== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:24:45 -0000 You need to choose your security lines better. I haven't filled a US Customs form out since I started using Global Entry. Detroit, my home airport, was part of the initial test of the new Pre Check program so I've been using it since the beginning of the year. It isn't available for international flights. On 8/4/12 11:33 PM, "John R Levine" wrote: >> Is there a separate line, signs, etc.? > >The NEXUS and GOES machines are next to each other, and after you get the >card from either, you go to a separate line where a guy pretty much waves >you through. > >I slightly prefer the GOES machine because you don't need to fill out >a blue customs card, except that the petty bureaucrats at security don't >know that so you have to fill one out and then throw it away. > >Fun economy tip: applying for GOES costs $100. Applying for NEXUS costs >$50, and once you have NEXUS, you can add on GOES for free. > >Re the NEXUS card, people tend to know what they are in parts of the US >close to the Canadian and Mexican borders, not other places. If you have >a NEXUS card and provide the number when you check in for your flight in >the US, that's supposed to get you into the new sort of experimental >expedited security lines where you get to keep your shoes on. > >R's, >John >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randell-ietf@jesup.org Sun Aug 5 10:46:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8BD21F8517 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MopBcin6RNNy for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r2-chicago.webserversystems.com (r2-chicago.webserversystems.com [173.236.101.58]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E6021F84E6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-173-49-141-60.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([173.49.141.60] helo=[192.168.1.12]) by r2-chicago.webserversystems.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4uE-0002Ip-3S for 84attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:46:22 -0500 Message-ID: <501EB102.1030502@jesup.org> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:44:34 -0400 From: Randell Jesup User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <12F4BB60-94D8-4808-A7C8-9673D52B41B0@nominum.com> <4F382F7E-F34A-4F45-98E4-97A0CADC2370@ecs.soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - r2-chicago.webserversystems.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jesup.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:46:23 -0000 On 8/5/2012 9:10 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > On 5 Aug 2012, at 05:31, Randall Gellens wrote: >> >> On previous visits to Vancouver, the security and customs/immigration queues took well over an hour. I'll be there again in two weeks, leaving on a Sunday evening, so will see what that's like. > At 5pm on Friday the airport was very quiet going out, maybe 10 mins at most to clear security. The "priority" lane was slower, as we overtook another IETFer in that queue :) Flying domestic (xfer in Toronto to the US), it was very fast and easy around 10am Friday. -- Randell Jesup randell-ietf@jesup.org From randy@qualcomm.com Sun Aug 5 10:51:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D19821F8517 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id COtX7pLcovah for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1E21F84F3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344189092; x=1375725092; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=EN5sYIzLLB5yUS2MFknXA3mzF1+WKTEOzSbSkRv5s6E=; b=remr/pqbHt6qsLD/jLImCFEZDFWlqeZhZnzt/+xUw+iaRAQkHhwGHvpL jHIDn9U/7ktNMj6ZBJsAaKstgrnNz7aZHLVzFJVz81MGYjKNcAA+/8MYD APd8IAsIpwzm7fem91WyT7BL2AFQLlzeuMLLTraeg3VOqK0vB5OpfhiLj I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6794"; a="218100610" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160314599" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 05 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.c om> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:48:48 -0700 To: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:51:32 -0000 At 3:00 PM +0200 8/5/12, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR) JOHNSON wrote: > > Airline checkin? Just print the BP ahead, and go right to security. > > This is not possible for [US-bound flights for] a lot of people who > require document checks. Including me. Oh. My printed BP said on it "Verify US Passport xxx" but I assumed and it did seem to be instruction to the gate agents to not let me on the plane without checking, not to anyone else. Maybe those who require US visas need to be checked-in manually? -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: "Whose?" --Don Marquis From randy@qualcomm.com Sun Aug 5 10:51:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA2521F851E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2SeywfiC7hU1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711BC21F8523 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344189096; x=1375725096; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=hkslbM3F9QCaRVs5yyt+ilVQhKww854P78tmEDpDeLc=; b=WU+oPdtdZYgfuQakaiZ2nKyQqRbRbuK9iEoWvNuYJRUAKaA/9CFssE+R cSpRIpfX5IiHL4hizu1dkWrMxLUNKSGuKybIFloP6O+n8QD8bHOv2LzDt XNp7WsYbUR5rU0K3u/owO6JuXNxWy6ASb3uligyapWhc68nklWl7mjKJi Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6794"; a="220425268" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 10:51:33 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="304930727" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 05 Aug 2012 10:51:33 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:51:27 -0700 To: John R Levine From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:51:36 -0000 At 10:16 AM -0400 8/5/12, John R Levine wrote: >>> [NEXUS + GOES is ] Just $50. Personal experience. >> >> Good to know, thanks. When did you enroll? > > Long enough ago that I renewed my NEXUS card earlier this year. So it may be true that, as I said I'd heard, the programs were integrated and the fees standardized. (And of course it's NEXUS + GE that we're talking about, both of which are applied for via GOES.) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- No one wants an average neurosurgeon or even an average carpenter, but when it comes time to vest a man or woman with more power and responsibility than any person has held in human history, Americans say they want a regular guy, someone just like themselves. --Sam Harris, L.A. Times Op-Ed piece, September 3, 2008 From johnl@taugh.com Sun Aug 5 11:42:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003BA21F8530 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FwjhljqFfNqF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0571621F852C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33417 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 18:42:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8287.501ebea7.k1208; bh=uN7XfMf86TfwC+i+MMTV5Zy9uXa+o+DumAZo3nn9jUc=; b=imvkVWBuHzMTsN5t6Vi8h37+honw/jVDzphlMq+IlouPGotw8J/jJUgHAk1ZFzGJRQZw4Ej8WzzLc2yJZ7lR2tmSqN/j7nFQrOuGVpJ37IHMg+kuquHacz2BczkY8Sxk+Yg0og68cXhji5qo/37rDZRQBtlxTs+ooBJPIGrsX1s= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8287.501ebea7.k1208; bh=uN7XfMf86TfwC+i+MMTV5Zy9uXa+o+DumAZo3nn9jUc=; b=GP1nRFaJpk+L5n39Faq7HbcbG6+7+GTl+qHZzVHlQc3zI4zELFdOn185wrXNSc6JYMJuApnQURJbUJGGfL3zAPi7gxIciuJzngdZA/r+N+yftwpvKL07UIUA7uT2DsS7UsS3GM6spAAHjI5UisM2bZhRZ0kHau8nwZi5/0uge1I= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 18:42:25 -0000 Date: 5 Aug 2012 14:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:42:50 -0000 > So it may be true that, as I said I'd heard, the programs were integrated Yup. > and the fees standardized. Nope. NEXUS costs $50, GE costs $100, but NEXUS holders can still join GE at no extra charge. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/nexus_eligibility.xml http://www.globalentry.gov/howtoapply.html http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/ge_kiosks.xml The only practical reason not to join NEXUS first is that you have to appear in person at an enrollment center near the US/CA border or a Canadian airport. If you don't live near the border and don't travel through those airports, the extra trip would likely cost you way more than $50. Most of the non-airport centers don't have eye scanners so you have to visit one that does later to add the iris scan. Personally, I applied for Nexus at Ft Erie on the way to Toronto, and added GE at IAD on the way to some meeting. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From ben@nostrum.com Sun Aug 5 11:57:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF721F8599 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R30GX-Pe0RI5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FACF21F8559 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.98.44] ([206.191.100.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q75IvTmr038953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:57:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:57:35 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C643C7F-9E67-44A4-9C06-3783E3054DAD@nostrum.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> To: "John R Levine" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 206.191.100.2 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Randall Gellens , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:57:33 -0000 I have GE, and am looking forward to it saving some time when I fly back = on Tuesday. So far, it works best as some sort of karmic line shortener, = i.e. since I got it it seems like I never hit the otherwise long = immigration lines that make it worthwhile. I guess that's a win-win for = everyone traveling with me :-) OTOH, I am _very_ good at catching the long lines entering CA. Do I = understand correctly that NEXUS works in both directions for US/CA = travel? That is, if I have GE, is NEXUS still worth it?=20 On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "John R Levine" wrote: >> So it may be true that, as I said I'd heard, the programs were = integrated >=20 > Yup. >=20 >> and the fees standardized. >=20 > Nope. NEXUS costs $50, GE costs $100, but NEXUS holders can still = join GE at no extra charge. >=20 > = http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/nexus_eligib= ility.xml > http://www.globalentry.gov/howtoapply.html > = http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/ge_kiosks.xm= l >=20 > The only practical reason not to join NEXUS first is that you have to = appear in person at an enrollment center near the US/CA border or a = Canadian airport. If you don't live near the border and don't travel = through those airports, the extra trip would likely cost you way more = than $50. Most of the non-airport centers don't have eye scanners so = you have to visit one that does later to add the iris scan. >=20 > Personally, I applied for Nexus at Ft Erie on the way to Toronto, and = added GE at IAD on the way to some meeting. >=20 > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY > "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From johnl@taugh.com Sun Aug 5 12:05:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82F021F846A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgVr8okT+s6q for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E119D21F845B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 35731 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 19:05:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8b92.501ec407.k1208; bh=7UDeBq+bxH46otY+dooDc66uUbmGhEai05rEPeo+Dyc=; b=bRJyelOlDC+jMMpDTZJdVJY2XdlsBBlTzysar6Xf6ux4k+MBwcyVT15IfkNdVnQ35aXrb9GZSEHdM5Dh+mfoaOmGkZHLDRFAxiE0KMtx1QSfYpNjBB/B2s8RoL70pUaCp6wUGgnfNNZtUGz39lC9AK1o75IjlnC/sI6O8fUQEYo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8b92.501ec407.k1208; bh=7UDeBq+bxH46otY+dooDc66uUbmGhEai05rEPeo+Dyc=; b=rT8LSK1eFjgZavV3xtlx50NO5q+frnBlRZdADz2/zHktuPpvX4oe8rg6hPKbEe5FOtzqITHqFBcQl6ppcxwNc2+L+bs4sHAn8suZXY6n4xGO5702K+5MCTtM8vuYEwtcmLUsr4qWRbAfd67ixtRpUtgs92tXY+xEKHoWeBG5s8w= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 5 Aug 2012 19:05:21 -0000 Date: 5 Aug 2012 15:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Ben Campbell" In-Reply-To: <8C643C7F-9E67-44A4-9C06-3783E3054DAD@nostrum.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> <8C643C7F-9E67-44A4-9C06-3783E3054DAD@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:05:45 -0000 > OTOH, I am _very_ good at catching the long lines entering CA. Do I > understand correctly that NEXUS works in both directions for US/CA > travel? That is, if I have GE, is NEXUS still worth it? If you travel to Canada yes. You can use NEXUS to skip the line whenever you arrive at a NEXUS airport, whether from the US or elsewhere. (Well, to nitpick, if you are flying US->YYZ->Intl, there's no NEXUS at that inspection station, but there's never a line, either.) R's, John From randy@qualcomm.com Sun Aug 5 12:37:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E8D21F853F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hr2vzqtDwBIY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC80221F8518 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:37:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344195440; x=1375731440; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=UxAdUk844S1bxe2/oTFaZMvcSEP1GEuVNZeSt42ZUPY=; b=qD7nRethaAFMprmTmlxwpMX2rLkxuW7b30UxQV3oNlrGnVa3v9A5aLxs g62YupM/nF7ODejajunyZfCQc/8DSMtwaO/V+GuTQS5C7kX1+jyVm6TRo eJH1a1maopL32fEmM77A0XhCM35OEECEup1ym8nzh2tLJU8DNZ8mmQYlC 0=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6794"; a="220478657" Received: from ironmsg02-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.16]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 12:37:20 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,715,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="121990733" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 05 Aug 2012 12:37:20 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C643C7F-9E67-44A4-9C06-3783E3054DAD@nostrum.com> References: <31BCE4DE825B3F4D9E452EFBBD3F1EF280CE841D@PACDCEXMB06.cable.comcast.co m> <730CF323-1352-485C-A5ED-D99B5A499C02@gmail.com> <181F7DA1-E943-44D5-BD2D-98702E4678E8@gmail.com> <8C643C7F-9E67-44A4-9C06-3783E3054DAD@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:33:40 -0700 To: Ben Campbell From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:37:20 -0000 At 11:57 AM -0700 8/5/12, Ben Campbell wrote: > Do I understand correctly that NEXUS works in both directions for > US/CA travel? That is, if I have GE, is NEXUS still worth it? You're correct: NEXUS does work both ways (entry into both U.S. and Canada). So, if you have GE, the advantage of NEXUS is easier and faster entry into Canada (from anywhere, not just U.S.) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Performance is easier to add than clarity. From paulitrix@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 20:48:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F2321F8510 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.376 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUuwT3wi8HAB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B521F850D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so3119365pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; 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From Mamadou.FATY@artp.sn Mon Aug 6 07:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17BE21F84F6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rDIEXte-VQ-i for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from securemail.artp.sn (securemail.artp.sn [213.154.80.206]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC8021F84E2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="1706410" Received: from unknown (HELO srv-imap.artp.local) ([10.10.0.8]) by mailinterne.artp.sn with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 14:22:24 +0000 Received: from srv-imap.artp.local ([10.10.0.8]) by srv-imap.artp.local ([10.10.0.8]) with mapi; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:26:27 +0000 From: Mamadou FATY To: Paul M , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:25:55 +0000 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Safely Arrived Thread-Index: Ac1zhuOhuE6Ig0alQXWY2uPoqbf9TQAWIAFp Message-ID: <106D3D096FCED54A8EA94320FB55650283FA8E1071@srv-imap.artp.local> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [84attendees] RE : Safely Arrived X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:22:31 -0000 hi all i m at home and thanks for all Mamadou FATY ARTP ________________________________________ De : 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] de la part= de Paul M [paulitrix@gmail.com] Date d'envoi : lundi 6 ao=FBt 2012 03:48 =C0 : 84attendees@ietf.org Objet : [84attendees] Safely Arrived I really enjoyed the Vancouver meeting and I have safely arrived home (Nair= obi) after a grueling 28 hours flight time :-/ :-) Paul M _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees l'ARTP au service du citoyen pour faire du S=E9n=E9gal, un p=F4le d'excel= lence dans le domaine des TIC From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Mon Aug 6 10:24:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCDD21F85FC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:24:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.376, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuuEP8rrxnwY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B15221F85EF for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EE2E8A031 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:24:15 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:24:19 -0000 On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:24:31PM -0400, Don Blumenthal wrote: > You need to choose your security lines better. I haven't filled a US > Customs form out since I started using Global Entry. No, he doesn't. He needs to avoid US transit in Canadian airports. Canadian security people don't know the difference between GE and NEXUS and don't care. They check that you have the paperwork all signed when you enter the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my wife I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening. They won't let you into Americaland without your blue paper. To haul this onto something vaguely IETF-related, it is an excellent example of why having more than one protocol solving the same or closely related problems is a bad idea. The real issue here is that both NEXUS and GE allow you to be handled specially, but the NEXUS and GE systems have different modes of operation. Also, some NEXUS people are not GE people and conversely. Low-level paperwork-checking door-guarding bureaucrats cannot be expected to keep track of all these differences and filter correctly, so they've adopted a different filter: blue paper card. Teaching them "blue paper card or else this special plastic card" is likely possible. "Blue paper card or special plastic card if it says GE BUT NOT if it doesn't OR if it's this other card" probably isn't a possible configuration. The protocols are different because GE was a thing for US-bound immigration only and NEXUS was a transborder initiative. This is like a case of two vendors solving the same problem differently and the resulting protocol having the union of all their options. (Therefore, we should shut down BEHAVE, QED. ;-) Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From john-ietf@jck.com Mon Aug 6 10:55:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4ED21F853B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kulTIfoG0kTP for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8CF21F8539 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRQu-000CJF-11; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:49:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:55:28 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Andrew Sullivan , 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:55:43 -0000 --On Monday, August 06, 2012 13:24 -0400 Andrew Sullivan wrote: >... > To haul this onto something vaguely IETF-related, it is an > excellent example of why having more than one protocol solving > the same or closely related problems is a bad idea. The real > issue here is that both NEXUS and GE allow you to be handled > specially, but the NEXUS and GE systems have different modes > of operation. Also, some NEXUS people are not GE people and > conversely. Low-level paperwork-checking door-guarding > bureaucrats cannot be expected to keep track of all these > differences and filter correctly, so they've adopted a > different filter: blue paper card. Teaching them "blue paper > card or else this special plastic card" is likely possible. > "Blue paper card or special plastic card if it says GE BUT NOT > if it doesn't OR if it's this other card" probably isn't a > possible configuration. The protocols are different because > GE was a thing for US-bound immigration only and NEXUS was a > transborder initiative. The example is even a little worse. There is no little plastic card for GE. There is, at most, an unobtrusive little sticker on the back of the passport. I've never asked, but suspected that this is a security-by-obscurity to prevent issues with GE participants or making some passports special targets that might occur if GE participants were prominently identified. Teaching those door bureaucrats to identify a GE participant would be really hard since, essentially, only the traveler and the machine and its databases really know. > This is like a case of two vendors > solving the same problem differently and the resulting > protocol having the union of all their options. (Therefore, > we should shut down BEHAVE, QED. ;-) And perhaps most of the WGs working on IPv6 transition. If you were to point out that they should not be shut down because claim they are solving different problems, the analogy might get even closer. :-( john From randy@qualcomm.com Mon Aug 6 11:00:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9615F11E80AD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q1AEo5PCFFxa for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E89021F8550 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344276045; x=1375812045; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=tMjPaaeb8Ghz5IcSFqmflsJXLG0m/Kx/1c+Lof1q0MY=; b=Pop3gNNt7pe7ooG6WrsyKxwC2wuT+40BaX/hbuNwSnbAH8+BSmx3tj4U ZwT7Y9O4XX3uXTrGITYcai50R0bCJ0uF5k7ZHJAjZxHUPZ70WY1323k8S nqFCnW4SFX1S/B7MEpa9bK4FWM7s14YJDH5qDFtznjvT2XPlPWqno0H3F M=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6795"; a="218918090" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 11:00:33 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="305861106" Received: from nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.3]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 06 Aug 2012 11:00:20 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc10.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:00:18 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:57:29 -0700 To: Andrew Sullivan , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:00:45 -0000 At 1:24 PM -0400 8/6/12, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:24:31PM -0400, Don Blumenthal wrote: >> You need to choose your security lines better. I haven't filled a US >> Customs form out since I started using Global Entry. > > No, he doesn't. He needs to avoid US transit in Canadian airports. > > Canadian security people don't know the difference between GE and > NEXUS and don't care. They check that you have the paperwork all > signed when you enter the US Immigration area (what I call > "Americaland" when I tell my wife I am hanging up) in any Canadian > airport with pre-screening. They won't let you into Americaland > without your blue paper. I think we're mixing different things together. Departing Canada via an airport with US pre-clearance, I've not had a problem entering security or immigration without a filled-out customs declaration. The report stating this was a requirement was specific to transit, not departure (different areas). > To haul this onto something vaguely IETF-related, it is an excellent > example of why having more than one protocol solving the same or > closely related problems is a bad idea. The real issue here is that > both NEXUS and GE allow you to be handled specially, but the NEXUS and > GE systems have different modes of operation. Also, some NEXUS people > are not GE people and conversely. Low-level paperwork-checking > door-guarding bureaucrats cannot be expected to keep track of all > these differences and filter correctly, so they've adopted a different > filter: blue paper card. Teaching them "blue paper card or else this > special plastic card" is likely possible. "Blue paper card or special > plastic card if it says GE BUT NOT if it doesn't OR if it's this other > card" probably isn't a possible configuration. The protocols are > different because GE was a thing for US-bound immigration only and > NEXUS was a transborder initiative. This is like a case of two > vendors solving the same problem differently and the resulting > protocol having the union of all their options. (Therefore, we should > shut down BEHAVE, QED. ;-) In fairness, there's nothing in any of the trusted traveler programs that I'm aware of that requires anyone check that you have a customs declaration form before entering an earlier stage (e.g., security). I believe they check as a courtesy, to avoid you getting through the first stage and then needing to go back. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- There is a theory that states: "If anyone finds out what the universe is for it will disappear and be replaced by something more bizarrely inexplicable." There is another theory that states: "This has already happened ...." --Douglas Adams, "Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" From kent@bbn.com Mon Aug 6 11:04:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECF321E8085 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v6RSKf56wSsd for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.0.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C8821E8054 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp89-089-055.bbn.com ([128.89.89.55]:56983) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRew-0000Wt-KL for 84attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:04:06 -0400 Message-ID: <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:04:06 -0400 From: Stephen Kent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:04:14 -0000 Andrew, My experience upon leaving YVR does not precisely match what I think you said. I have both NEXUS and GE. I did not fill out a U.S. Customs form. Nor was I asked for one. I used the GE Kiosk at YVR. It printed a receipt (with my photo) and that was all that the (U.S.) Customs Officer required. Steve From wjhns1@hardakers.net Mon Aug 6 11:16:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D7911E80D2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.191 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.191 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.409, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gtyDrVaZpQYu for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F19811E80D1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187:8a2:3128:7f27:8afe]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3C4E3DC; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:16:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> (Andrew Sullivan's message of "Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:24:15 -0400") Message-ID: <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:16:12 -0000 Andrew Sullivan writes: > the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my wife > I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening. They even have a nice sign that says "welcome to the United States" but for some reason, still make you pay in Canadian currency and your cell-phone provider still labels you as roaming. Note, that if you step onto a ship docked onto a US harbor they like to label you immediately as international roaming, from what I understand. They want it both ways apparently. -- Wes Hardaker SPARTA, Inc. From david.black@emc.com Mon Aug 6 11:21:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7DC21E8093 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KA29nqLcfd8P for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7123021E8092 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI02.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.55]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q76ILKGF023298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:21 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd01.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.251]) by hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:18 -0400 Received: from mxhub07.corp.emc.com (mxhub07.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.204]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id q76ILHGm015328; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:17 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.189]) by mxhub07.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.204]) with mapi; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:17 -0400 From: To: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:15 -0400 Thread-Topic: US immigration vs. customs Thread-Index: Ac1z/6MkXyRL3WGASXGEtjWy+E7vCgAAEPrQ Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> In-Reply-To: <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:21:28 -0000 It's even possible to be in both places at once wrt different parts of the US government. On the train to Seattle, US immigration was in Vancouver, but customs was at the border in Blaine, WA. A similar thing happens when a ship that's called at foreign ports calls at a US port before its US destination; immigration is at the first port (e.g., Key West), but customs is at the destination (e.g., Miami). Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On > Behalf Of Wes Hardaker > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:16 PM > To: Andrew Sullivan > Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >=20 > Andrew Sullivan writes: >=20 > > the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my wife > > I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening. >=20 > They even have a nice sign that says "welcome to the United States" but > for some reason, still make you pay in Canadian currency and your > cell-phone provider still labels you as roaming. Note, that if you step > onto a ship docked onto a US harbor they like to label you immediately > as international roaming, from what I understand. They want it both > ways apparently. > -- > Wes Hardaker > SPARTA, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From alastair.johnson@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Aug 6 11:22:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9429121E808C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.998, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5nxcyebdy0TL for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F2B21E804D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q76IM9VK028135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:22:09 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1X.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.66]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:22:09 +0200 From: "JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)" To: "'kent@bbn.com'" , "'84attendees@ietf.org'" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:22:07 +0200 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac1z/fe8Gdrp1J8AQaGVRIJa/hdn/AAAmrfF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:22:18 -0000 I think the point being made is that a number of the helpful (?) ground sta= ff / line barkers / intermediate processors want to see you with the US cus= toms form, regardless of your Global Entry status. They are trained to do t= his, so that you don't get caught out. US immigration does not care, of course, as you are processed by the machin= e all happily. I'm not eligible for GE (or NEXUS) so I don't get to experience this first = hand, but I've seen it happen a number of times at YVR now, including with = airline checkin staff. When I departed on Friday there was a guy after secu= rity but before the US Immigration desks checking by specifically asking to= see it. Which was lucky as I dropped mine while being put through the luck= y SSSS process. Of course, YMMV.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Kent [mailto:kent@bbn.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 08:04 PM=0A= To: 84attendees@ietf.org <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Andrew, My experience upon leaving YVR does not precisely match what I think you=20 said. I have both NEXUS and GE. I did not fill out a U.S. Customs form. Nor was I asked for one. I used the GE Kiosk at YVR. It printed a receipt (with my=20 photo) and that was all that the (U.S.) Customs Officer required. Steve _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Mon Aug 6 11:25:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFAB21E8096 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:25:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.367, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91fjC3POBxab for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F276521E8095 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 556738A031 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:25:26 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120806182526.GK53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:25:29 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 02:04:06PM -0400, Stephen Kent wrote: > My experience upon leaving YVR does not precisely match what I think > you said. I think it's different when you're departing from the airport where the pre-screening happens. When you're entering Americaland directly from the departures side, you can usually walk right up to the kiosk, so nobody checks your paperwork. When you enter from the connections entrance, there's usually a series of people to check paperwork. (I've connected to the US through YUL and YYZ, not through YVR since the last round of YVR renovations, and never through YOW, so I don't have complete testimony to give.) The kiosks are _after_ the paperwork-checkers, so there's no way for the latter to tell whether you're going to need the paperwork. For reasons that aren't clear to me, also, if you're connecting and you try to use the non-connection kiosk, it's a big no-no. I run into this occasionally in YYZ, where the kiosks sometimes flake out. I then have to talk to an actual human rather than go to the local-departure kiosk. Imagine! Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From ole@cisco.com Mon Aug 6 11:26:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190D611E80B8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gW1UErEWGOJX for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7077911E80E5 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ole@cisco.com; l=1024; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344277564; x=1345487164; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=03hWm6ZO9SuOkipv/ZG6d3Lcw7hjDV6l+eRt2kgzN5c=; b=Bqn4h3GQyuuxjgsJ64Te++Tq2C1c8e5TLdNemb3cAbornAEEo7h2VGvf 39lG1G0TTU0CAqA+TyqPqnD7a27QYDmCwiPa/pO9AoEdZFHebwO0Rt8LA mkIFuyt9a6EjjEdUfJbhWtXnDPlaOL0MGb/YmdFK+kpxrEoWAjaQp1ond I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAOALIFCrRDoG/2dsb2JhbABCA7lHgQeCIAEBAQMBAQEBDwECJTQLBQsLRicwBhMih2UFDJsCg0gQnEmLShqDSYMhA4hNkleFMYMagQRign+BPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="54245331" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 18:25:58 +0000 Received: from [10.27.1.132] (sjc-ole-8913.cisco.com [10.27.1.132]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q76IPwYZ031804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:25:58 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Stephen Kent In-Reply-To: <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> Message-ID: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:26:05 -0000 Me too. Amusingly, the photo didn't exactly show my face since the camera isn't adjustable and by the time I crouch down the picture has already been taken. The whole photo thing seems really random, while the fingerprinting does seem to work. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Mon, 6 Aug 2012, Stephen Kent wrote: > Andrew, > > My experience upon leaving YVR does not precisely match what I think you said. > > I have both NEXUS and GE. I did not fill out a U.S. Customs form. Nor was I > asked for one. I used the GE Kiosk at YVR. It printed a receipt (with my > photo) > and that was all that the (U.S.) Customs Officer required. > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees > From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Mon Aug 6 11:33:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85A811E80AD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.362, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L7pVI3OUEfCT for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D00811E808A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB2448A031 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:32:57 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120806183256.GL53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:33:05 -0000 On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 10:57:29AM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > In fairness, there's nothing in any of the trusted traveler programs > that I'm aware of that requires anyone check that you have a customs > declaration form before entering an earlier stage (e.g., security). > I believe they check as a courtesy, to avoid you getting through the > first stage and then needing to go back. It's an interoperation check between airport-traffic needs and border-check needs: the airport needs to keep the lines (traffic) flowing, and the border security people need certain forms. The transit-door form-checkers are there to make sure that there's no exception generated when traffic gets to a point that it needs a form without that form. What GE and NEXUS do is create a new traffic path that is form-free, but it's just too hard to teach the transit-door form-checkers about this. So we end up with a legacy feature that is partly unnecessary but ends up being a practical requirement anyway. Only it's not written down in any protocol document. (The harder I work this analogy, the more I like it. This is probably indicative of some condition from which I suffer.) Best, A PS: yes, you were right, the original case was only when using a Canadian airport for transit to US. That's what I meant too, but I think I wasn't clear enough. Apologies. -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From wjhns1@hardakers.net Mon Aug 6 11:41:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD15E21F84D2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.341, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jycSV+86lVgr for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (dawn.hardakers.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566F821F8467 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:187:8a2:3128:7f27:8afe]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5BFE43DC; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:41:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> (david black's message of "Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:21:15 -0400") Message-ID: <0l393zg8wn.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, wjhns1@hardakers.net Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:41:46 -0000 writes: > It's even possible to be in both places at once wrt different > parts of the US government. We once took a boat across Lake Geneva from .ch to .fr. We left our passports in our apartment in .ch by accident. They wouldn't let us into .fr. I either succeeded in getting back into .ch or I'm writing this from the ferry boat using their wifi and now live in the middle of the lake. -- Wes Hardaker SPARTA, Inc. From randy@qualcomm.com Mon Aug 6 12:02:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942F521F844D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fZCCcX5oLPbk for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFCD21F844C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344279757; x=1375815757; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=hAAT2yTYuBaiy3aTsLr/w2nj1WpRWtF+H32sscK7OQM=; b=SDqtfyBNgtVa75fv1ZrxQafZcj2qKcOs0Kc/F7vWWmDLtla5uU1sV1m7 QiZB7Mt5HDzkOfpO1FUH6JuNmpuOG+/D1tYXps1Q5YZqMuwRlKXufowU+ LuIcN7MumRot+evyPANvsf6vYbBfXcb3Kx4/8QmoEo5d9uRdTr4+4564d c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6795"; a="221277989" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 12:02:32 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="305920124" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 06 Aug 2012 12:02:32 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:31 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:31 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:02:26 -0700 To: John C Klensin , Andrew Sullivan , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:02:37 -0000 At 1:55 PM -0400 8/6/12, John C Klensin wrote: > There is no little plastic > card for GE. There is, at most, an unobtrusive little sticker > on the back of the passport. I understand that there is now a GE card, given automatically to new enrollees, and available for a few to existing ones. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Waiter: "Tea or coffee, gentlemen?" 1st customer: "I'll have tea." 2nd customer: "Me, too -- and be sure the glass is clean!" (Waiter exits, returns) Waiter: "Two teas. Which one asked for the clean glass?" From randy@qualcomm.com Mon Aug 6 12:05:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25311E808A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrojdUIASCt9 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2449B11E8087 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344279955; x=1375815955; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=zqY1aWkhpF9uSJ6LpeLz0/RRCNa3Wv8sWf48M70IEKg=; b=KGJWt2MfiunFsfEn486HypJJI0tyxHAuNKSUIjda6GbUuJK/Gr6F+2ib TPZ5qBB6h0nyUic81fgwOm1+4r2ZH7RlGNBMNbh/nsesOKOeQzPoArTRd yC+F9N12LR6YfKDgeWW4GEihW+15r8J3BETbCrd+vKpg+yFHKDHiuWdfW c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6795"; a="218968758" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 12:05:54 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="305924130" Received: from nasanexhc06.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.21]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 06 Aug 2012 12:05:54 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc06.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:53 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120806183256.GL53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <20120806183256.GL53917@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:05:51 -0700 To: Andrew Sullivan , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:05:55 -0000 At 2:32 PM -0400 8/6/12, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > What GE and NEXUS do is create a new traffic path that is form-free, > but it's just too hard to teach the transit-door form-checkers about > this. Adding to the mess, NEXUS requires a customs declaration form, while GE does not. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Ignorance is nothing more than indifference to what is before us; we have only to pay attention--and we are paying attention in a way, but to pretty noise, the newer the better. --Wyatt Mason, review of E.E. Cummings biography, Harper's May 2005. From scott.brim@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 12:09:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387F811E80C5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYdCb4oExzgH for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4FC11E80E1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenm5 with SMTP id m5so1031425yen.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=2ht8bRLZn38to5o7vVd08E3hNWDjABbVPdezw9VaCoU=; b=g+pO9fYlB2Uv+BA7cHvG26MkpdZI2D4pt5YxrVdt+Y1v0Dqg8VqtKS7ulkR9i3sMUP IP1rAlIIba+xqjBydLbeS2vdYJwSf0VRFBdTnUb78tZv2SsbGSWu9V6D87MyJXjDKzSG rwVWYd6/AoGGARYxmNsno2mRsail3dUgd+K297iziYta+mrZA9xEdkIMB66JUrzhqbmO +8UbES6tEcTI14S18+UwXp7j4Ot5muzfbGt3spriPd445Hqjtlyv7uy7K9a5AHc0Bq6q NSizTaQTv6ML33tKtMEpkwh2Zb6NpFAiuaIJZ0PUQjnXbXI86/y+IbIwV6WAClQ51fFH Rang== Received: by 10.66.76.135 with SMTP id k7mr20236921paw.2.1344280160678; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:09:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.48.231 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0l393zg8wn.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <0l393zg8wn.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> From: Scott Brim Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Wes Hardaker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: david.black@emc.com, 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:09:22 -0000 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > writes: > >> It's even possible to be in both places at once wrt different >> parts of the US government. > > We once took a boat across Lake Geneva from .ch to .fr. We left our > passports in our apartment in .ch by accident. They wouldn't let us > into .fr. I either succeeded in getting back into .ch or I'm writing > this from the ferry boat using their wifi and now live in the middle of > the lake. > -- > Wes Hardaker Scott thinks . o 0 (Charlie on the MTA ... ) From dblumenthal@pir.org Mon Aug 6 12:12:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE5821F8503 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oK58VxzkBVEp for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pir.org (173-10-164-41-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.164.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7121F84F8 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PIR-MAIL-01.PIR.com ([192.168.27.12]) by pir-mail-01 ([192.168.27.12]) with mapi; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:12:25 -0400 From: Don Blumenthal To: Stephen Kent , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:12:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac10B2nAhkPJxb3kTUSkFqp9g/Q5Vg== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:12:27 -0000 Exactly the same experience that I had. The NEXUS card was superfluous. Don On 8/6/12 2:04 PM, "Stephen Kent" wrote: >Andrew, > >My experience upon leaving YVR does not precisely match what I think you >said. > >I have both NEXUS and GE. I did not fill out a U.S. Customs form. Nor was >I >asked for one. I used the GE Kiosk at YVR. It printed a receipt (with my >photo) >and that was all that the (U.S.) Customs Officer required. > >Steve > > >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randy@qualcomm.com Mon Aug 6 12:28:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A5221E808A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NW9lD4kUEtqk for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0278321E8089 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344281320; x=1375817320; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=hmS8nY8yAnj0j4r37v/cb6gYyHYAiIXxprmRDd4Lx4k=; b=ooihNI7jYNr6ASDUQa+v1snFDxOddHZzL4O23oDmGyPYhttmE4bAfiSV gWvYLr84/Bw0o/gj8KKA/3sOXroRk8bUNAdmYBeb3r9LJeWIFKtcSeqv8 6ousTy+UNfqabU9iguY0tPeF1meiT2A3AUarK4Hiy1Voen4+aIK2r+7vY 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6795"; a="221301121" Received: from ironmsg04-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.18]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2012 12:28:25 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,720,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="362608456" Received: from nasanexhc09.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.8]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 06 Aug 2012 12:28:25 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc05.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) by nasanexhc09.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:24 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:28:21 -0700 To: John C Klensin , Andrew Sullivan , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:28:40 -0000 At 12:02 PM -0700 8/6/12, Randall Gellens wrote: > I understand that there is now a GE card, given automatically to > new enrollees, and available for a few to existing ones. Oops, typo: available for a *fee* -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- I have seen the free market, and its face is Bill Gates' --Jay S. Laefer From johnl@taugh.com Mon Aug 6 14:05:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D828921F8491 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MPLHCCdjwwE4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F4A21F8493 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7383 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 21:05:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=1cd3.502031ac.k1208; bh=ooZ9GQ7ptLjcQ2vIcZyKrP3sMKHGC/FgUfMN/kN9Xas=; b=f9APp9K73TXSLgRy9LfTB1xVrIi5kvQDOjeIFHUUfMQiRHYYVnDN/skfKkD6Ezu1IUudFED/azyW9wXLrmukrtun5hYo1V5xyrN+3zB2SnLga55G1WD6wxKf2bh5JusuSk3Q1LlZwW5XBsKfkAjaLAZpDIKAGw8FU9lezWXJwvo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=1cd3.502031ac.k1208; bh=ooZ9GQ7ptLjcQ2vIcZyKrP3sMKHGC/FgUfMN/kN9Xas=; b=Fyq/bFV89/l3mIqKfsU7CfbjNOu96j1nH3CLezXnxNqIA/Y/P+IqXl0xy64uCjnQMECBSJumZNaHdhioSnJllksHGOHIJP+HnwbMR/ZjL4DJiD4LDFhYS+dzBQMxPdhGTEpxxSXDsrqQOkUfvrzmmYnX0zykVlfkX1xD8uZNyeo= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 6 Aug 2012 21:05:26 -0000 Date: 6 Aug 2012 17:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Andrew Sullivan" In-Reply-To: <20120806182526.GK53917@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <50200716.1010007@bbn.com> <20120806182526.GK53917@mail.yitter.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:05:54 -0000 > I think it's different when you're departing from the airport where > the pre-screening happens. When you're entering Americaland directly > from the departures side, you can usually walk right up to the kiosk, > so nobody checks your paperwork. Not in Toronto. You can see the NEXUS machines, but there's still someone looking at your boarding pass and other paperwork. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From smb@cs.columbia.edu Mon Aug 6 21:20:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CF921F86C5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mAxeRNjeZjp8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarap.cc.columbia.edu (tarap.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BD421F86C2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (185.sub-75-196-26.myvzw.com [75.196.26.185]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by tarap.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q774K24v029848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:20:01 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> To: "" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.7 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, wjhns1@hardakers.net Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:20:11 -0000 The same can happen at in the EU with checked baggage. Carry-on luggage enters with you; checked baggage enters at the airport of your final destination, since that's when it's accessible to you. (I've had some bizarre corner cases involving that and too-helpful airline personnel. On one trip to Heraklion (Crete), via (for complicated reasons involving airline fares), my flight over was via two different record locators. I was helpfully ticketed through (and boarding passes issued) for all three legs, and the bags checked straight through, even though HER is not an international airport and hence doesn't have customs. In other words, my checked luggage, as best I can tell, was never (nominally) screened. Going back, via YUL, was strange in a bad way. Our bags were checked straight through to the US, but we were not given boarding passes for YUL->EWR. This created an impossible situation at YUL; either we should have picked up our bags, cleared Canadian immigration and customs, and then entered the normal queue to the US, or -- if we had a boarding pass -- we could have done it as a transit connection. (That situation works if you're flying Air Canada. We were on the leg to YUL, but not on the leg from there.) We also received lots of bad advice on where our bags actually were. Fortunately, there was another flight home with plenty = of sears that day... (What did work very well, remarkably enough, was the high-tech setup at US Customs. Apart from lots of *helpful* folks with handheld scanners, they were able to call up video feeds of our bags on the internal conveyor so we could confirm ownership. Then, when someone had forgotten to press something-or-other and we were sent back, the = Customs agent realized it was her mistake and told us to jump the line so she = could fix everything. Imagine -- technology working properly *and* Customs = and Immigration people being helpful, polite, and friendly!) On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:21 AM, = wrote: > It's even possible to be in both places at once wrt different > parts of the US government. On the train to Seattle, US > immigration was in Vancouver, but customs was at the border in > Blaine, WA. >=20 > A similar thing happens when a ship that's called > at foreign ports calls at a US port before its US destination; > immigration is at the first port (e.g., Key West), but customs > is at the destination (e.g., Miami). >=20 > Thanks, > --David >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Wes Hardaker >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:16 PM >> To: Andrew Sullivan >> Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >>=20 >> Andrew Sullivan writes: >>=20 >>> the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my = wife >>> I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening. >>=20 >> They even have a nice sign that says "welcome to the United States" = but >> for some reason, still make you pay in Canadian currency and your >> cell-phone provider still labels you as roaming. Note, that if you = step >> onto a ship docked onto a US harbor they like to label you = immediately >> as international roaming, from what I understand. They want it both >> ways apparently. >> -- >> Wes Hardaker >> SPARTA, Inc. >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From ben@nostrum.com Mon Aug 6 22:28:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D15221F858F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:28:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ROyKvTjlI6nt for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AE321F8585 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.98.44] ([206.191.100.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q775SKRH040890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:28:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:28:23 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FB9E0C5-19A1-41E5-AD3C-C5D12406B287@nostrum.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> To: Steven Bellovin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 206.191.100.2 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: "" , 84attendees@ietf.org, wjhns1@hardakers.net Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:28:34 -0000 On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > The same can happen at in the EU with checked baggage. Carry-on > luggage enters with you; checked baggage enters at the airport of > your final destination, since that's when it's accessible to you. > (I've had some bizarre corner cases involving that and too-helpful > airline personnel. On one trip to Heraklion (Crete), via (for > complicated reasons involving airline fares), my flight over was > via two different record locators. I was helpfully ticketed through > (and boarding passes issued) for all three legs, and the bags checked > straight through, even though HER is not an international airport and > hence doesn't have customs. In other words, my checked luggage, as = best > I can tell, was never (nominally) screened. Years ago, I flew DFW-ORY-NCE. My bags were checked through to Nice. But = since the final leg was a domestic flight (on a French commuter airline = whose name I cannot remember, and AFAIK, no longer exists), and no = international flights were scheduled to arrive in Nice near the same = time, C&I was closed. I waited with everyone else for my luggage to come = out, to no avail. Then I saw the belt in the nearby international = arrival area wake up, and spit out one bag. The area was dark, and roped = off. I waited a while to figure out what to do, then carefully and = slowly walked over, stepped over the rope, and got my bag.=20 This was all in the direct view of the gendarmes with submachine guns. I = moved _very_ slowly with no sudden moves. Last time I flew to NCE, they had completely rearranged things, where = outside access to the international area appeared impossible. I can only = assume if that happened now, my bag would be gone forever (perhaps = destroyed by the very same gendarmes who I gather delight in destroying = dodgy luggage). The return flight was almost as much fun, as I got to explain to the AA = attendant that some dang-fool corporate travel agent had actually = written an itinerary with a 50 minute window for transferring from a = domestic flight from Nice (the first flight of the day) to an USA bound = AA flight at ORY (the only flight of the day). =20= From smb@cs.columbia.edu Mon Aug 6 22:39:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CFC21F8621 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:39:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9KFpLT8+l-U for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarap.cc.columbia.edu (tarap.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB62E21F861C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (185.sub-75-196-26.myvzw.com [75.196.26.185]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by tarap.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q775dRYp013078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 01:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: <9FB9E0C5-19A1-41E5-AD3C-C5D12406B287@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:39:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> <9FB9E0C5-19A1-41E5-AD3C-C5D12406B287@nostrum.com> To: Ben Campbell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.7 Cc: "" , 84attendees@ietf.org, wjhns1@hardakers.net Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:39:34 -0000 On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > The return flight was almost as much fun, as I got to explain to the = AA attendant that some dang-fool corporate travel agent had actually = written an itinerary with a 50 minute window for transferring from a = domestic flight from Nice (the first flight of the day) to an USA bound = AA flight at ORY (the only flight of the day). >=20 I had something similar with the 2003 Vienna IETF. I protested that 55 = minutes was a rather tight connection in Frankfurt, given that I had to = clear Schengen zone immigration. I was told it was a listed connection = and therefore good. After checking that there were more flights to VIE = that day, I agreed. Naturally, a thunderstorm delayed flights out of = EWR. The pilot made up time, but (of course) hit congestion at FRA. = (One of my fellow passengers asked a flight attendant about his = connection. "Your bags will make the connection! Make sure that you = do!" Yes, that was her intonation.) I made it; my bag didn't. I was = paged at the baggage claim in Vienna, and told to go to the luggage = office, where they told me to fill out a lost bag form. "Lost? You = know exactly where it is; you paged me!" I was told to fill it out = anyway. It all worked -- I didn't have to carry the bag on the train; = they delivered it to my hotel a few hours later. Enough travel war stories for tonight! --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From bob.hinden@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 10:05:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB3D21F8732 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MXSdVd03lX3y for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FB421F86F6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eaai11 with SMTP id i11so1205094eaa.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=caZtZMaB+1GkhJT2IKTkGvz9dkx13AlcZ87eGJwT+C0=; b=PmXtbyDcZLYrGAw/vgpy0b5YdBB+75Sk8vkdLMu5TIHUnxC6IjQC8q+uAIF12V3/oE Tb40IPS8RqKOlQ3aNpvd+8m9ac+ovR2ofOMPodMU8b0yz7baVJzI+uNfk9MslKXcnizj 7Ucdn7vHRXjfQZgiYIL3VWLiW5QPJPht5KYoEvZLglaP88dVN/jEyuvcotPFgCE7+XzZ QZvIKIHQ9/a3trM0d9AG4miRZCGjDXKJvtXn2ZfKFa0hK/lbrZQJN18zS8uUm2A+dSxq 5zM8drnjQhpHSVrFkD6B//N0p5oZgFLjf9Ut3rYCLCe3j+TLLhlesTF6XPs6ofxWKtZ0 ybAg== Received: by 10.14.175.7 with SMTP id y7mr18406644eel.29.1344359135196; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:9:4080:10:e0ba:f695:1e15:3d56? ([2601:9:4080:10:e0ba:f695:1e15:3d56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a41sm43686587eep.7.2012.08.07.10.05.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1280) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:05:28 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1280) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Bob Hinden , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:05:37 -0000 John, > The example is even a little worse. There is no little plastic > card for GE. There is, at most, an unobtrusive little sticker > on the back of the passport. I've never asked, but suspected > that this is a security-by-obscurity to prevent issues with GE > participants or making some passports special targets that might > occur if GE participants were prominently identified. Teaching > those door bureaucrats to identify a GE participant would be > really hard since, essentially, only the traveler and the > machine and its databases really know. I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. I am still not = exactly sure what it is for, but that's another matter. I had an interesting but pleasantly successful departure yesterday = afternoon. I found the GE/Nexus line and got to the machines avoiding = the lines. Both of the GE machines were "out of service". I assumed I = would have to fill out the form. I went ahead (without a form) and was = directed to one of the agents. I told him the GE machine was out of = service. He lookup up my passport, asked me if I had anything to = declare (I didn't), and that was it. Can't beat that for service! Bob From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 10:10:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CBB21F8496 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aL7FTnuAfv2J for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483B221F859A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qcac10 with SMTP id c10so3017136qca.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=/NsimnU1qfz8jAUmwjCN471EYkxTs8A4A9ZIkcZsx50=; b=pDlqHL9h6FRxOsqIuFToeMDHrReugHLMc5uDc+LUhgin+/lUqZtnogcLhbZyfnyS5H ugcKrUoIGRv1Y6w1SDWtNhtw6/NDsTjqYnRZL3tHfU8RVCF/gxXvR5n7mY5LeRd8wEQU aH0RJkKaOo5NwXPQhJIw6q91YvLMCbJTQCle5otDPC+ZOp1lbcosTMMxakJGSzBXEfd+ XrLmCyL05N7St7pvoSVBW9ee2sF0qHeF/jjodfKYIPI+PX/V4CrGS7eEw26OrhKpfAc7 Wwgij/6KbezFE47es/ZbeslQIDEvYmEB9Ix71xVALgbd7+KFOjsAYhyPPgiupCaCTj0w JHuQ== Received: by 10.224.199.201 with SMTP id et9mr25121260qab.59.1344359453740; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [161.44.65.173] ([161.44.65.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z9sm16756258qae.15.2012.08.07.10.10.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:10:40 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: John C Klensin , 84attendees@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:11:00 -0000 On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:05 PM 8/7/12, Bob Hinden wrote: > John, >=20 >> The example is even a little worse. There is no little plastic >> card for GE. There is, at most, an unobtrusive little sticker >> on the back of the passport. I've never asked, but suspected >> that this is a security-by-obscurity to prevent issues with GE >> participants or making some passports special targets that might >> occur if GE participants were prominently identified. Teaching >> those door bureaucrats to identify a GE participant would be >> really hard since, essentially, only the traveler and the >> machine and its databases really know. >=20 > I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. I am still = not exactly sure what it is for, but that's another matter. The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a situation where = the line for immigration extends well past the entrance for the GE = queue. I've seen this situation at IAD and the guy with the GE passport = was not treated all that politely when it appeared he was just trying to = push his way to the head of the line. - Ralph >=20 > I had an interesting but pleasantly successful departure yesterday = afternoon. I found the GE/Nexus line and got to the machines avoiding = the lines. Both of the GE machines were "out of service". I assumed I = would have to fill out the form. I went ahead (without a form) and was = directed to one of the agents. I told him the GE machine was out of = service. He lookup up my passport, asked me if I had anything to = declare (I didn't), and that was it. Can't beat that for service! >=20 > Bob >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From john-ietf@jck.com Tue Aug 7 14:30:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA69521F8541 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PkJkB+1MrV8X for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CE721F853F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SyrG4-000GWW-Is; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:24:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:30:03 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Ralph Droms , Bob Hinden Message-ID: <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:30:18 -0000 --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 13:10 -0400 Ralph Droms wrote: >> I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. I am >> still not exactly sure what it is for, but that's another >> matter. > > The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a > situation where the line for immigration extends well past the > entrance for the GE queue. I've seen this situation at IAD > and the guy with the GE passport was not treated all that > politely when it appeared he was just trying to push his way > to the head of the line. Looks like some of us applied for Global Entry too early. I did not get a card although your posting indicates that you got one. Other postings indicate that they are now available for a fee, but I just spent a little time on the website and couldn't find that option, much less the fee schedule. Similarly, the site says that there is a single application for Global Entry and Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more hoops. john From warren@kumari.net Tue Aug 7 14:55:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E103D21F8602 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CxZUAyDwwPzw for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3156421F85D7 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (unknown [64.13.52.115]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C22171B40038; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:55:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Bob Hinden , 84attendees@ietf.org, Warren Kumari , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:55:52 -0000 On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:30 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 > --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 13:10 -0400 Ralph Droms > wrote: >=20 >>> I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. I am >>> still not exactly sure what it is for, but that's another >>> matter. >>=20 >> The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a >> situation where the line for immigration extends well past the >> entrance for the GE queue. I've seen this situation at IAD >> and the guy with the GE passport was not treated all that >> politely when it appeared he was just trying to push his way >> to the head of the line. >=20 > Looks like some of us applied for Global Entry too early. =20 Yup, in the same boat... > I did > not get a card although your posting indicates that you got one. > Other postings indicate that they are now available for a fee, > but I just spent a little time on the website and couldn't find > that option, much less the fee schedule. 'tis $15 -- http://www.globalentry.gov/faq.html#6 Info on applying is on the same page... I applied and received the card before the Vancouver meeting -- but = cannot really figure out what the point of the card is -- I still need = my passport to *enter* Canada, which means that I have my passport when = leaving Canada (assuming I haven't lost it!). I already have GE on my passport, so=85 er=85 what's the point of the = card again?! > Similarly, the site > says that there is a single application for Global Entry and > Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, > I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more > hoops. >=20 Very similar hoops to when you applied for GE=85 Probably more trouble than it's worth though=85 I have to go to Toronto = and then 'tis back to Vancouver again for IETF, so it *may* be worth the = rigmarole, but=85=20 W > john >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 --=20 Never criticize a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then if = he didn't like what you've said, he's a mile away and barefoot.=20 From lberger@labn.net Tue Aug 7 15:10:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B36A21F8464 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJUC33BiTviN for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A05B21F8463 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20269 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2012 22:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2012 22:10:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=km+52jd+3wUzohb8/0cLu3YoUFnHxWLqMIJGDCoErR8=; b=cCv1DfrAX/sz4PWHY+mp4/EmsFfLvzjn+MmqpnwR3rjYIjICA3qpL3OXBH4FuxfEZOaQe2JDUWU4FnS7jEkSeTRpYRw8/zgHPRmyv8v67IgWonSxrwtLWhGEPYsbYzGH; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:50342 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SyrzD-0006If-Q2; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:10:47 -0600 Message-ID: <50219266.1060707@labn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:10:46 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Kumari References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:10:49 -0000 On 8/7/2012 5:55 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > I already have GE on my passport, so… er… what's the point of the card again?! > I was told that it's for "supplemental" identification, i.e., if someone doesn't believe you have GE. One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is that the card carries the ID# you need to provide to your airline in order access the TSA Pre line. See http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/participation.shtm. Lou From pthaler@broadcom.com Tue Aug 7 15:15:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1328A21F85CD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:15:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBM64CrEV+Jb for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B310A21F859F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.192.232] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.5)); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:14:13 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 06151B78-6688-425E-9DE2-57CB27892261 Received: from SJEXCHCAS02.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.37) by SJEXCHHUB02.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.192.232) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.247.2; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:15:02 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by sjexchcas02.corp.ad.broadcom.com ( [::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:14:53 -0700 From: "Pat Thaler" To: "Warren Kumari" , "John C Klensin" Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+jJ2FYD19BvaUqpH3jJuwXX7JdFbIaAgAAcRICAA7eVAIAAAqAAgAAA9gCAAAwJgIAAAR+AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiICAAANEAIAAAt+AgAAFBACAABAMAIAAMGsAgAAGKoCAAASVgIAACkcAgAAFXwCAACoogIAA12iAgAGjBYCAAAi5AIABhF0AgAABdACAAEh4gIAABzIA//+NNVA= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.240.250.174] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 7C3F4CBF3MK17713173-02-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:15:14 -0000 >On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:30 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 13:10 -0400 Ralph Droms >> wrote: >> Similarly, the site >> says that there is a single application for Global Entry and >> Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, >> I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more >> hoops. >>=20 >Very similar hoops to when you applied for GE... >Probably more trouble than it's worth though... I have to go to Toronto an= d then 'tis back to Vancouver again for IETF, so it *may* be worth the rigm= arole, but...=20 It's one application meaning one on-line form to fill out, but it may be tw= o fees - it doesn't tell one the fee until the very end and during the appl= ication process you choose which programs you want to enroll in so it might= charge more for multiple programs. Nexus requires going to a Canada border= station for the interview so it isn't convenient unless you live near the = border or coordinate applying with a trip to Canada. =20 =20 From therbst@silverspringnet.com Tue Aug 7 15:36:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C3021F865E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:36:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wtTgwp-WPN8y for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com (it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com [74.121.22.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C1521F85C6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAMaXIVAKOQxz/2dsb2JhbABFum2CIAEBAQQBAQFjCAsSAQgNC08GCyUCBAENBYd+AxexcA2JToorZIZgA5N0AYdQhQyHYg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,729,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="13488528" Received: from unknown (HELO SFO-EXCA-01.silverspringnet.com) ([10.57.12.115]) by it-ipcorp-01.silverspringnet.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 07 Aug 2012 15:35:54 -0700 Received: from SFO-EXMB-03.silverspringnet.com ([fe80::e877:a0b0:2e8d:1b57]) by SFO-EXCA-01.silverspringnet.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:35:53 -0700 From: Thomas Herbst To: Warren Kumari , John C Klensin Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+ipTxSETqZtTkGAdrtRxA7HwZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA7eVAIAAAqEAgAAA9QCAAAwKgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiICAAANEAIAAAt+A//+PrCSAAIVkAIAAMGwAgAAGKYCAAASVgIAACkcAgAAFXwCAACoogIAA12iAgAGjBoCAAAi4AIABhF0AgAABdACAAEh4gIAABzIA//+V1AA= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:35:52 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.2.120421 x-originating-ip: [10.57.12.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <286D2EBB5B517547B8616877E865812C@silverspringnet.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:36:28 -0000 The CBP people told me the point of the GE card is for land and sea entry, where they don't have kiosks. I don't think it replaces a passport, so it does not seem so useful. I got GE before NEXUS because it was so much easier for me to get GE. The local airport (SFO) can do GE, but I had to schedule a border office for the NEXUS interview - Vancouver was booking 9 weeks in advance - took me 6 months after approval to book a business trip and NEXUS interview appointment at the same time. Not $$$ optimized, but $100+$50 is worth the time not spent in lines. I've found having both to be useful. tom On 8/7/12 2:55 PM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: > >On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:30 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > >>=20 >>=20 >> --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 13:10 -0400 Ralph Droms >> wrote: >>=20 >>>> I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. I am >>>> still not exactly sure what it is for, but that's another >>>> matter. >>>=20 >>> The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a >>> situation where the line for immigration extends well past the >>> entrance for the GE queue. I've seen this situation at IAD >>> and the guy with the GE passport was not treated all that >>> politely when it appeared he was just trying to push his way >>> to the head of the line. >>=20 >> Looks like some of us applied for Global Entry too early. > >Yup, in the same boat... > >> I did >> not get a card although your posting indicates that you got one. >> Other postings indicate that they are now available for a fee, >> but I just spent a little time on the website and couldn't find >> that option, much less the fee schedule. > >'tis $15 -- http://www.globalentry.gov/faq.html#6 > >Info on applying is on the same page... > >I applied and received the card before the Vancouver meeting -- but >cannot really figure out what the point of the card is -- I still need my >passport to *enter* Canada, which means that I have my passport when >leaving Canada (assuming I haven't lost it!). >I already have GE on my passport, so=8A er=8A what's the point of the card >again?! > > > >> Similarly, the site >> says that there is a single application for Global Entry and >> Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, >> I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more >> hoops. >>=20 > >Very similar hoops to when you applied for GE=8A > >Probably more trouble than it's worth though=8A I have to go to Toronto an= d >then 'tis back to Vancouver again for IETF, so it *may* be worth the >rigmarole, but=8A=20 > >W > >> john >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 > >--=20 >Never criticize a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then if he >didn't like what you've said, he's a mile away and barefoot. > > > >_______________________________________________ >84attendees mailing list >84attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randy@psg.com Tue Aug 7 15:39:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B085C21F86F4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9d5x5vnY9-qF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E37E21F86F0 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SysQs-000Nzf-6R; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:39:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Thomas Herbst In-Reply-To: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:39:23 -0000 > The CBP people told me the point of the GE card is for land and sea entry, > where they don't have kiosks. TSA Pre, coming to an airport near you, accepts the GE card and often has a shorter line. and, because you do not have to disrobe or take the computer out of the bag or ..., processes much more quickly. worked great for me in seatac this morning. randy From johnl@taugh.com Tue Aug 7 17:09:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A67711E8100 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9cr5+xBWJ6Sc for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5556611E80FA for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18611 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2012 00:09:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=48b2.5021ae31.k1208; bh=/8QjyRJRdbJ6gJbHq9jKzAvRIa4c6dFVyEq+aVKrquk=; b=k/FZWNniCMiPuLr8kfVSDl1Z36+2IX8HboTRPhyTqZpL0n/SugOoml6reYIrNgKC3ptB3PK6pBEhzJByJb54+GL+Ui8JhYdUiCZAAonFIqU4QnvN+4fC+8a6+EkmAGOhGhQI/gbhdCjYBv4z7ul8LNKSlgl+vgeCYeuS2TGuK5k= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=48b2.5021ae31.k1208; bh=/8QjyRJRdbJ6gJbHq9jKzAvRIa4c6dFVyEq+aVKrquk=; b=gjRT8f7lEiiGSk3wP9KC0V2OBitoUTDKBigjwnYcR+ZXybSdP9XZ4NoXamaKL3U8eQq+3Sp05HU8bdUFP3YEqOXaaitFuXLtPhnlpZ1cy/kXQwZb8vJCzOdXfkMOGNBWy7gwP0kIYXSgFNk0IRtbezTyWCqnD7HzJSD6Nm58wMY= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 8 Aug 2012 00:08:59 -0000 Date: 7 Aug 2012 20:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Thomas Herbst" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-389893261-1344384561=:2272" Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:09:24 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-389893261-1344384561=:2272 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > The CBP people told me the point of the GE card is for land and sea entry, > where they don't have kiosks. > I don't think it replaces a passport, so it does not seem so useful. Yeah, it says that if you're driving into the US, you can use the NEXUS lane. That's nice, but if you actually drive between the US and Canada more than a couple of times per year, you might as well pay another $35 and get a NEXUS card that works going both ways. 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micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1002578663-1344384791=:2272" Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:13:13 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1002578663-1344384791=:2272 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, > I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more > hoops. The interview is a snap; the hard part is scheduling it. The enrollment centers at airports tend to be booked many months in advance, but the ones at land crossings, e.g., Champlain NY if you happen to be taking a trip to Montreal, are pretty easy to schedule. The enrolment centers in the US don't do the eye scans, but I think that once you're enrolled, you can drop by a Canadian airport center without an appointment and get scanned. Once they have the scans you do not need new ones when you renew. 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Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id raDl7+FKwc5b for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pir.org (173-10-164-41-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.164.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA1C21F86D4 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PIR-MAIL-01.PIR.com ([192.168.27.12]) by pir-mail-01 ([192.168.27.12]) with mapi; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:20:03 -0400 From: Don Blumenthal To: John R Levine , John C Klensin Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:20:00 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac10+43HIAAP9NjUQzGi1QVZmxLsNA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:20:05 -0000 To confirm what John said, I got the NEXUS card at the Detroit-Windsow bridge and just dropped in at the YVR NEXUS office when I arrived and added the iris scan. I'm still trying to figure if I should look into adding the GOES card that some have mentioned. Judging from the TSA website image, the information on the back seems to be the same as on the NEXUS card. Don On 8/7/12 8:13 PM, "John R Levine" wrote: >> Nexus since July a year ago. But, if I want to apply for Nexus, >> I have to pay another USD 50 and, presumably, dance through more >> hoops. > >The interview is a snap; the hard part is scheduling it. The enrollment >centers at airports tend to be booked many months in advance, but the >ones=20 >at land crossings, e.g., Champlain NY if you happen to be taking a trip >to=20 >Montreal, are pretty easy to schedule. > >The enrolment centers in the US don't do the eye scans, but I think that >once you're enrolled, you can drop by a Canadian airport center without >an=20 >appointment and get scanned. Once they have the scans you do not need >new=20 >ones when you renew. > >Regards, >John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY >"I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From john-ietf@jck.com Tue Aug 7 17:27:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FE811E80DF for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1tgp2Icdvt5 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23F211E80F2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Syu1W-000H1Z-9i; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:21:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:27:13 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Lou Berger , Warren Kumari Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50219266.1060707@labn.net> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <50219266.1060707@labn.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:27:34 -0000 --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 18:10 -0400 Lou Berger wrote: > One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is > that the card carries the ID# you need to provide to your > airline in order access the TSA Pre line. See > http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/participation.shtm. Apparently unnecessary for that purpose -- the "Member @" you probably got when the Global Entry process completed is apparently the same number (or at least the airlines take it). john From johnl@taugh.com Tue Aug 7 18:42:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6311111E810D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d0Z2P7oEpdRV for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEEE11E8107 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 43559 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2012 01:42:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=aa25.5021c40f.k1208; bh=sr5HU4khw+Cco2IigOOmOw8P0qVndHidSqi+kiIvaXk=; b=TvoPEcPkD7aqVAbbzoOV+aLdjlulOYLiERt6J3U7XqML7HQo1DIzMcUiIshWlO/OBNT2HkZjueYXp8e4812kzXVeZ/xbAaYYu/e9WUPCEVdU/6FGNvoddeXEc/LdXBGJl1e0GAlW1tLIJCcma5R3FwvNwiie8l1OnG7aBxjOcJM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=aa25.5021c40f.k1208; bh=sr5HU4khw+Cco2IigOOmOw8P0qVndHidSqi+kiIvaXk=; b=MNjiGmuCr1j9gX4TA1fQViJOydRkKgTZHPHK6TRZlKFy4okiNtsu/3QZAvlnWMxxVAjij4Drey+VI8qBvc6G3NO37CdXYRRhy68TdqftjrahiQ6zTaPnPIw2DZHqAfY7KqhwAzFXb70RPKLUBzIMj3YIopAookSch7i3Eiak9SM= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 8 Aug 2012 01:42:17 -0000 Date: 7 Aug 2012 21:42:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Don Blumenthal" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1681514154-1344390159=:16430" Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 01:42:41 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1681514154-1344390159=:16430 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I'm still trying to figure if I should look into adding the GOES card that > some have mentioned. Judging from the TSA website image, the information > on the back seems to be the same as on the NEXUS card. GOES machines read your passport and fingerprints at US ports of entry, so you need to get your fingerprints scanned. If you already have NEXUS, you need to have an interview at a GOES enrollment center at a US airport but it's free and very quick. The benefit is that there are GOES machines at many US airports, but NEXUS machines only at Canadian airports. 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Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cmKyYmGwy2xz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pir.org (173-10-164-41-BusName-washingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.164.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4525411E80D2 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PIR-MAIL-01.PIR.com ([192.168.27.12]) by pir-mail-01 ([192.168.27.12]) with mapi; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:11:54 -0400 From: Don Blumenthal To: John R Levine Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:11:55 -0400 Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: Ac11Cy2mCFr+7tE1Q8WWc8eBkulZcQ== Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 02:11:56 -0000 Sorry. I wasn't clear. I'm in Global Traveler and NEXUS but am curious abou= t the GOES card that some mentioned and that is shown on the TSA site.=20 Don Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "John R Levine" wrote: >> I'm still trying to figure if I should look into adding the GOES card th= at >> some have mentioned. Judging from the TSA website image, the information >> on the back seems to be the same as on the NEXUS card. >=20 > GOES machines read your passport and fingerprints at US ports of entry, s= o you need to get your fingerprints scanned. If you already have NEXUS, yo= u need to have an interview at a GOES enrollment center at a US airport but= it's free and very quick. >=20 > The benefit is that there are GOES machines at many US airports, but NEXU= S machines only at Canadian airports. >=20 > R's, > John From smb@cs.columbia.edu Tue Aug 7 22:52:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1371D11E8135 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5SUxOY5QHiGA for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarap.cc.columbia.edu (tarap.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BE11E812B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v230.vpn.iad.rg.net (v230.vpn.iad.rg.net [198.180.150.230]) (user=smb2132 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by tarap.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q785qknA012033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steven Bellovin In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:52:46 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0FCBA1BB-F62F-4AE7-864B-E902F19FFE58@cs.columbia.edu> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <50219266.1060707@labn.net> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.7 Cc: Lou Berger , Warren Kumari , 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 05:52:51 -0000 On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 18:10 -0400 Lou Berger > wrote: > >> One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is >> that the card carries the ID# you need to provide to your >> airline in order access the TSA Pre line. See >> http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/participation.shtm. > > Apparently unnecessary for that purpose -- the "Member @" you > probably got when the Global Entry process completed is > apparently the same number (or at least the airlines take it). Yes, that's what I did. I'm in the same boat as John -- early adopter of GE, and hence don't have a card -- but I was able to log back in to the web site to get the appropriate number. (Aside: when I had my interview, they had actually Googled me; they knew things there wasn't any other easy explanation for.) --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb From lberger@labn.net Wed Aug 8 07:31:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4621F8668 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.729, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zZmuc5kWYLBd for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B02AA21F8504 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22580 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2012 14:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2012 14:31:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=sLiXozg26t/rzXZU3Qfx28s5M7MFZUJ/3OYfKT3NhPw=; b=DUUUhRYP4Xd6vseXq2QAoAwlk7QCDRQSxtn0h9vaWjdd9DjZkXw3q+HE3TkNM/xl2PHTHJGd3m5U1WwhJs/IkipJzfspjMKy3TVBHuiT4qXLFtFiCM5tdHA+0BSGMG4C; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:53238 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz7Ih-0001i0-8w; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:31:55 -0600 Message-ID: <5022785A.8080408@labn.net> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:31:54 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John C Klensin References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <50219266.1060707@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:31:56 -0000 good thought. The number on the back of the card is listed under PASSID when I log in to the GOES using the member number... Lou On 8/7/2012 8:27 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 18:10 -0400 Lou Berger > wrote: > >> One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is >> that the card carries the ID# you need to provide to your >> airline in order access the TSA Pre line. See >> http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/participation.shtm. > > Apparently unnecessary for that purpose -- the "Member @" you > probably got when the Global Entry process completed is > apparently the same number (or at least the airlines take it). > > john > > > > > > > > From rs@netapp.com Wed Aug 8 22:00:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE3711E8129 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mRnb4SOqhbW for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7178D21E8049 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,738,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="674881834" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2012 21:59:58 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.241]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q794xuuU005847; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.1.34]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:59:55 -0700 From: "Scheffenegger, Richard" To: Ole Jacobsen , Ted Lemon Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNb+io6Y+l6iUlsUiz0fgXBy7v2ZdFbIaAgAAcRICAA0GmwIAAeJAAgAAA9QCAAAwKgIAAAR6AgAAD1oCAAAPngIAA8ScAgAAxiICABnmeAA== Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:59:54 +0000 Message-ID: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E9E35@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-AT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tim Chown , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:00:30 -0000 Well, as non-US / non-Canadian citizen, in my case the shorter queue with much lo= nger sojourn times and strict queuing caused me to miss my 06:00 flight, ev= en though I was about 100 min before gate closing at the airport... Apparen= tly there was holiday season not only for Europeans but Asians too. The spl= it of 3-4 customs inspectors for the foreigners vs. 8-10 for US/Canadians (= who are more likely to know the procedure and language) didn't exactly help= ... Teaching queuing theory in primary school might ultimately help fixing thes= e issues at airports, supermarkets, bus stops, ... Next time, I'll be using Toronto again to enter the states, they have diffe= rent queuing there (queuing by priority [time to departure] rather than nat= ionality...). Richard Scheffenegger > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen > Sent: Samstag, 04. August 2012 11:58 > To: Ted Lemon > Cc: Tim Chown; 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >=20 >=20 > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. >=20 > Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > > > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) > > > > Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From Fred.Clark@sit.gob.gt Thu Aug 9 08:41:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D5F21F8799 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xsM9jb7uFwM for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sit.gob.gt (unknown [200.35.162.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343A421F8796 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SERVEREXC01.sitgt.local ([fe80::5cb1:95ef:4e16:2e71]) by serverexc01.sitgt.local ([fe80::5cb1:95ef:4e16:2e71%10]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:31:55 -0600 From: Fred Clark To: "Scheffenegger, Richard" , Ole Jacobsen , Ted Lemon Thread-Topic: [84attendees] YVR Checking Counter Opening Hours (for US) Thread-Index: AQHNdkQaPQQJXzrry0uP6hRVzc9QiA== Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:31:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E46A6@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <60AF4CB6-B646-4A41-B855-9206D7654D7E@gmail.com> <4D2B4C3D-A539-4797-9CED-2D9BDA1FFE71@fugue.com> <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E9E35@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <012C3117EDDB3C4781FD802A8C27DD4F0D4E9E35@SACEXCMBX02-PRD.hq.netapp.com> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tim Chown , "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checking Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:41:22 -0000 Richard, Sorry to learn about your unfortunate incident with customs. The Venezuelan= used Toronto as their gateway instead of the US. Although they had to wait= for hours at the airport. Now I know one of their reasons. Regards, Fred -----Mensaje original----- De: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En n= ombre de Scheffenegger, Richard Enviado el: mi=E9rcoles, 08 de agosto de 2012 11:00 p.m. Para: Ole Jacobsen; Ted Lemon CC: Tim Chown; 84attendees@ietf.org Asunto: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) Well, as non-US / non-Canadian citizen, in my case the shorter queue with much lo= nger sojourn times and strict queuing caused me to miss my 06:00 flight, ev= en though I was about 100 min before gate closing at the airport... Apparen= tly there was holiday season not only for Europeans but Asians too. The spl= it of 3-4 customs inspectors for the foreigners vs. 8-10 for US/Canadians (= who are more likely to know the procedure and language) didn't exactly help= ... Teaching queuing theory in primary school might ultimately help fixing thes= e issues at airports, supermarkets, bus stops, ... Next time, I'll be using Toronto again to enter the states, they have diffe= rent queuing there (queuing by priority [time to departure] rather than nat= ionality...). Richard Scheffenegger > -----Original Message----- > From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen > Sent: Samstag, 04. August 2012 11:58 > To: Ted Lemon > Cc: Tim Chown; 84attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) >=20 >=20 > The place was really packed around 4:30 this morning. Huge lines, not > very effective processes and so on. I think we (IETF folks) all made > our flights at 6am, but not with much time to spare, and this is > speaking as someone who could go through various priority lanes, use > Global Entry and so on. >=20 > Lesson: The 6am flights are probably not the best choice, have never > seen the aiport that busy, but I've also never left this early zzzzz. >=20 > Ole >=20 >=20 > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo >=20 >=20 > On Sat, 4 Aug 2012, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > > > There must be something wrong with Canada somewhere, surely ;) > > > > Massive bufferbloat on the YVR free WiFi network? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees _______________________________________________ 84attendees mailing list 84attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:06:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9125621F863B for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPIvk1Z0gjOo for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D5521F861D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:06:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593173; x=1376129173; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=dUr1xFJytTZRzty65rXhDUVrYHD2MHcqC0jccV3SosY=; b=AoLGKBdrrNCVKBRi9Hp8B7tizyNzlzylI9eW9+qPMDH4m9yn2aHm87al GhpWmJSn46I8JjjI6GC5BTQqqyCdAxbYa1gWfEyoO5vF8Y0TbuQipE5L6 uBMpTb5eq1zAjF+dPgdHg8ptV68hAqHjl985Qs9MGigIXZN+SaF+HNPG0 k=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221394451" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:06:13 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="279334274" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:06:13 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <0l8vdrga39.fsf@wjh.hardakers.net> <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE71208E80393@MX15A.corp.emc.com> <628982A2-2F13-4812-81CD-E4A0497BA00C@cs.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:04:08 -0700 To: Steven Bellovin , "" From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, wjhns1@hardakers.net Subject: Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:06:13 -0000 At 9:20 PM -0700 8/6/12, Steven Bellovin wrote: > Imagine -- technology working properly *and* Customs and > Immigration people being helpful, polite, and friendly!) Glad to hear it! -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group --Newspaper headline From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:17:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119B821F866C for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U7gxQCyfkxyO for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19AF21F865B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593839; x=1376129839; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=rgwxrkIohfw18yYXoDf1oShdcuULtcHHfJIZRKa+WPE=; b=YpOSOVWNBVj1pD1bTu7Tc3ZZQksP9LrDixYODdB5+63T0yA94lqE9CFj E0sWfIvM7DAIgYzkN87eaAO8UEGuNXXHqgpIRIArM8PW05aPZmb5mSapB OR0gvJW2gIkYsNH6H5F9ZKMhXVO3JxwvzHVGC6lQEbnNnhbFJXWr6vDV3 I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223699823" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:19 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="279345321" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:19 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:10:12 -0700 To: Bob Hinden , John C Klensin From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Bob Hinden , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:17:20 -0000 At 10:05 AM -0700 8/7/12, Bob Hinden wrote: > I received a card along with GE. It didn't cost extra. As I said a few messages back, new GE enrollees automatically get a GE card. Pre-existing enrollees can get a card for a fee. > I am still not exactly sure what it is for, but that's another matter. Per the Global Entry FAQ: http://www.globalentry.gov/faq.html#8 Global Entry cards are Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative compliant documents for land and sea travel. Additionally, these cards will be valid for use at the SENTRI and NEXUS lanes coming into the United States. However, Global Entry cards will not be valid for entry into Canada via the NEXUS lanes and kiosks; and members must use a passport or U.S. LPR card at the Global Entry kiosks. The card operates as a SENTRI card for Global Entry members. > I had an interesting but pleasantly successful departure yesterday > afternoon. I found the GE/Nexus line and got to the machines > avoiding the lines. Both of the GE machines were "out of service". > I assumed I would have to fill out the form. I went ahead (without > a form) and was directed to one of the agents. I told him the GE > machine was out of service. He lookup up my passport, asked me if > I had anything to declare (I didn't), and that was it. Can't beat > that for service! Nice to hear when people make up for failures in a good way. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. --Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician, Notices of the AMS, 43 (10) (Oct. 1996). From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:17:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BAA21F8685 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JV9w0QfjCJEo for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F249D21F865B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593841; x=1376129841; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=WH+6iBTjOFCIV02GB6WVTYmUv5mcK4j4UQjCgm91ZsM=; b=x8MHYXbTnIMoM4VH03Ke/35LYi6ubIrJosKQNbD+llCjIYGlbm3iil3Z uLei535jD/VGorg6bFmidJxZ3c+DtArURFvkEkYzCVxj8Q6tOLJz779j3 FlKzn4h1DifHGXKwkoArFbB7risRzTVBsKWX99f7LFDFtZIVHPpEXpMvW E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223699825" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:21 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160381937" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:21 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:19 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:11:19 -0700 To: Ralph Droms , Bob Hinden From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: John C Klensin , 84attendees@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:17:21 -0000 At 1:10 PM -0400 8/7/12, Ralph Droms wrote: > The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a situation > where the line for immigration extends well past the entrance for > the GE queue. I've seen this situation at IAD and the guy with the > GE passport was not treated all that politely when it appeared he > was just trying to push his way to the head of the line. The GE sticker in your passport serves that purpose. And yes, the perception of queue jumping can be a problem when using GE (especially at, e.g., MIA). -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Demagogue: One who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. --H.L. Mencken From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:17:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C343521F869F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YS48brkMTlzg for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D6421F869D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593846; x=1376129846; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=yRRN5uB/gf7KR/ZVpiSHRwzEXvEhOCK6tyYQS2vUpfA=; b=eAhNF99612TJjIEF/dxkRH/YRA0ECKR8/HC8uLNOJDa4OgJx5A9VCQ1x ZqdHCs1cIUTc0hOo/esWQWWFRlkTYA+p6JdmgaaKTHt7E3j2XCykkdnMh U9UQ5hhmfuK24Ejp2xI5UwDYFRgZjVixIpHKKQQ8D7sUuEUuq5ZIOGmja 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221401344" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:26 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="309459503" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:26 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:15:36 -0700 To: John C Klensin , Ralph Droms , Bob Hinden From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:17:26 -0000 At 5:30 PM -0400 8/7/12, John C Klensin wrote: > Other postings indicate that they are now available for a fee, > but I just spent a little time on the website and couldn't find > that option, much less the fee schedule. My recollection is that you can get a GE card using the GOES web site. GOES is the unified web interface to apply for and manage membership in all CBP Trusted Traveller programs (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI). I haven't bothered to apply for a GE card since I'm not sure it provides any benefit for those of us who don't plan to cross the border by car or ship. Also, there should be significantly fewer hoops to obtain NEXUS now that you have Global Entry. You'll have to apply via GOES, and have an interview and iris scan at a NEXUS enrollment center, but the background check and related hoops should be skipped or abridged since you're a GE enrollee. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Cabbage: A familiar kitchen-garden vegetable about as large and wise as a man's head. From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:17:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8E121F86A7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q9LCHD8S1D1c for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AAE21F869D for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593848; x=1376129848; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=QA4mRNSkdWMoWAnGvAEsQ/av2Fwhh9igZT+Af1og8VU=; b=mw21wd8slbgC7hr3IMspv/uOhhSVeLjePO0iVH7puQi31YRfhqbdZDrR j6GxQSWRbmoFpMuTFQK5/PdfT6bVyHsNd91OXvKuOrnNdiQ2eSOFlT5w5 5inHjY4nr3wA8NgqTVtXJbn9d/Tpzv2pGXdLdQFoNvk9oiYjB3353Ciqs c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223699850" Received: from ironmsg04-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.18]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:28 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="365797565" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:17:28 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50219266.1060707@labn.net> References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <50219266.1060707@labn.net> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:17:05 -0700 To: Lou Berger , Warren Kumari From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:17:28 -0000 At 6:10 PM -0400 8/7/12, Lou Berger wrote: > I was told that it's for "supplemental" identification, i.e., if someone > doesn't believe you have GE. Who told you that? The GE sticker in your passport serves that purpose (the card will also do, but from experience the sticker is all that is needed). > One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is that the > card carries the ID# you need to provide to your airline in order access > the TSA Pre line. You can easily obtain the number by just logging in to your GOES account. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Nine out of 10 doctors agree that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot. From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:19:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC34F21F86A0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rB7lujPJn7U1 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4D021F8685 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:19:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344593954; x=1376129954; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=MdF0Li2ILKIABU3sICgE18/Avf6BQ4+vdmja/gU9S64=; b=DMBYLA/3o+w+q1kXncXtVrAtWIc1KiEz3/0uknkZUP6G9yyAvelyo2nm LSTnuQ3o7LfKWHpIg3ZYYrNolte16etmwNnJ7okS6IJysEp37yWAWSFbS d8a3pq0+tc31tQBgJimfaKNpmABim9rLyp89pmbI84spt8sAJqF+lJ6Kt Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221402643" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:19:14 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="309460948" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:19:14 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:19:11 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:19:01 -0700 To: Thomas Herbst , Warren Kumari , John C Klensin From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:19:15 -0000 At 10:35 PM +0000 8/7/12, Thomas Herbst wrote: > The CBP people told me the point of the GE card is for land and sea entry, > where they don't have kiosks. > I don't think it replaces a passport, so it does not seem so useful. My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a passport there is no real added benefit. > I got GE before NEXUS because it was so much easier for me to get GE. The > local airport (SFO) can do GE, but I had to schedule a border office for > the NEXUS interview - Vancouver was booking 9 weeks in advance - took me 6 > months after approval to book a business trip and NEXUS interview > appointment at the same time. Not $$$ optimized, but $100+$50 is worth the > time not spent in lines. I've found having both to be useful. I concur. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- 1.) If the document should exist, it doesn't. 2.) If the document does exist, it's out of date. 3.) Only documentation for useless programs transcends the first two laws. From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 03:24:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2283621F8539 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qa8vG0M9pka for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3824A21F853B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344594240; x=1376130240; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=5ICVqN/pxZ2UU3Wxs9KlYcE8JGQeur3VuHhiY6CDDio=; b=lA+p1yJovp+qZ59OPj/kbCegHupMZgSijlFUn6q8PnUFbo4tQM2gwEpy 3kuMuEgtybAYRlo0PX0TDPWwYuwKu7HjAH7hoJ0am8m3HaARrNPNtsbEa EH0JFnzXAUObNOODaH9239iP7blX4vwYSWg1389bJc/2dZHecRuBpvuTc 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223703664" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 03:23:59 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,744,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="309464393" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 03:23:59 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:23:57 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:23:21 -0700 To: Randy Bush , Thomas Herbst From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:24:00 -0000 At 3:39 PM -0700 8/7/12, Randy Bush wrote: > TSA Pre, coming to an airport near you, accepts the GE card and often > has a shorter line. and, because you do not have to disrobe or take the > computer out of the bag or ..., processes much more quickly. worked > great for me in seatac this morning. Not sure what you mean that "TSA Pre ... accepts the GE card." You become eligible for Pre-Check if you have elite FF status in one of the currently participating airlines and/or enter your GE or other CBP Trusted Traveller program ID numbers in the participating airline information or in your PNR, but you don't need or use a GE card for any of this, and the GE card serves no purpose. If you're Pre-Check eligible, the TSA *may* select you for expedited screening on a per-departure basis. There is no opportunity nor benefit to having or showing the card. You either are (a) eligible and selected for expedited screening on a specific departure, (b) are not eligible or eligible but not selected. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. --H. L. Mencken From lberger@labn.net Fri Aug 10 05:18:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9E621F857D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.638 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.627, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id In9fuNak3jNO for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4187C21F8611 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 711 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2012 12:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2012 12:18:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3U4Uw3WvStt2FQTmVQAD9B7piePcgly/G1vDzdSH8Po=; b=NoXcsIu9wJv0o20WS7y8uWrHRJkQu5V8hTsDBzW3uu33RMOoafZKNwOqDX4+/U/nYKhkcbupYk27blbKNso0K/8duTNAQGgaym3NsMImEE9prqNJR9kp/2V3qOeL03oA; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:53463 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzoAU-00055E-2r; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:18:18 -0600 Message-ID: <5024FC08.6090305@labn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:18:16 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall Gellens References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> <32E4633868ADAACCA06C1A02@JcK-HP8200.jck.com> <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <50219266.1060707@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:18:44 -0000 On 8/10/2012 6:17 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 6:10 PM -0400 8/7/12, Lou Berger wrote: > >> I was told that it's for "supplemental" identification, i.e., if someone >> doesn't believe you have GE. > > Who told you that? The GE sticker in your passport serves that > purpose (the card will also do, but from experience the sticker is > all that is needed). during the interview... > >> One more tangible benefit (that I discovered on this trip) is that the >> card carries the ID# you need to provide to your airline in order access >> the TSA Pre line. > > You can easily obtain the number by just logging in to your GOES account. > Yes, I learned this from an earlier e-mail to the list. Lou From ben@nostrum.com Fri Aug 10 07:03:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FE421F861D for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVf3B8B-gVyU for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0EC21F861C for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.30] (cpe-76-187-92-156.tx.res.rr.com [76.187.92.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7AE3teY005140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:03:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:03:56 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 76.187.92.156 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Randy Bush , Thomas Herbst , attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:03:57 -0000 On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 3:39 PM -0700 8/7/12, Randy Bush wrote: >=20 >> TSA Pre, coming to an airport near you, accepts the GE card and often >> has a shorter line. and, because you do not have to disrobe or take = the >> computer out of the bag or ..., processes much more quickly. worked >> great for me in seatac this morning. >=20 > Not sure what you mean that "TSA Pre ... accepts the GE card." You = become eligible for Pre-Check if you have elite FF status in one of the = currently participating airlines and/or enter your GE or other CBP = Trusted Traveller program ID numbers in the participating airline = information or in your PNR, but you don't need or use a GE card for any = of this, and the GE card serves no purpose. If you're Pre-Check = eligible, the TSA *may* select you for expedited screening on a = per-departure basis. There is no opportunity nor benefit to having or = showing the card. You either are (a) eligible and selected for = expedited screening on a specific departure, (b) are not eligible or = eligible but not selected. Unfortunately, the Global Entry interviewers have been spreading the = "card gets you into the Pre-Check queue" rumor at DFW. They explicitly = told my wife that when she had he had her interview. It took quite a bit = of explaining on how organizations develop "lore" vs "training" to = convince her that the interviewer was mistaken. It didn't matter anyway, = because she was already eligible for Pre-Check via her AA status. >=20 > --=20 > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and > deserve to get it good and hard. > --H. L. Mencken > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 07:07:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A2721F8629 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOvLzW0hsaW9 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBF221F8627 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qcac10 with SMTP id c10so1065126qca.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=aVe+I3M84Ogny5LAUTmNGWgR1bBG0R/5zcLLq7qmDf8=; b=E5uJLZf8+pQ4VgT6jJeMA3aUbEUHQ6BypCHl+VaA3A5/KMh1I0Xv/9zRedIrsAnUbD THjUgHFEtdJhjLbOmt6lNWujwjKJmJNjxhHojtN/e1Zx1EH/IfJ3V7LkOcc2OyrMjNZl 33mEha3mlVKZM/YhsNGAtvZ2YAjpWUloILYToZqpenI8i/KHuOxAT4lGTuSoTVtHUR2O KZmeogz+lqDrJ4Dakgr+VbZuAQNJF4OMc1feSh5wSg12hZsa0xTP50AKXxeEAFM8auKN kT167K9E+r46AmTqfu6pR1XhT4YDaROv661yqKpgoXveZUKZn88tOZCMnMR3m6e+WNDG mIEA== Received: by 10.59.8.37 with SMTP id dh5mr3046955ved.2.1344607629873; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [161.44.65.173] ([161.44.65.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm3336845vdg.10.2012.08.10.07.07.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:07:04 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: John C Klensin , 84attendees@ietf.org, Bob Hinden , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:07:13 -0000 On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:11 AM 8/10/12, Randall Gellens wrote: > At 1:10 PM -0400 8/7/12, Ralph Droms wrote: >=20 >> The card might be useful to prove your GE status in a situation where = the line for immigration extends well past the entrance for the GE = queue. I've seen this situation at IAD and the guy with the GE passport = was not treated all that politely when it appeared he was just trying to = push his way to the head of the line. >=20 > The GE sticker in your passport serves that purpose. And yes, the = perception of queue jumping can be a problem when using GE (especially = at, e.g., MIA). I'll need to check, as I don't have my passport with me, but I don't = recall getting a sticker in my passport when I signed up for GE about 18 = months ago. Anyway, I sent off for the $15 card as it seems like cheap insurance in = case of some need to identify myself w/o a kiosk. - Ralph >=20 > --=20 > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > Demagogue: One who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he > knows to be idiots. --H.L. Mencken From johnl@taugh.com Fri Aug 10 07:54:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9F221F8658 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Hjj57cKDr2q for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFED21F85F3 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8305 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2012 14:54:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=2070.502520a8.k1208; bh=EJAvUemXvGXgwSsYNl1JQqeEhFJ/3QmYjGrufWuXK2g=; b=ipmR/5nrStFjxkr7jhulxNykHnnrLNSSRH+O9VD2W2X2vjJuagipLwEjivijgVnk8JoRMo1CdK62qoLYhA/US1ToBttN6mMcUo9ZINbkReZWFWxPHOn2tXa5Ylu/nPycYRVER+Jv/Psp9NRj7yMs2s7wYUYppZz+NIOggUQJAHE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=2070.502520a8.k1208; bh=EJAvUemXvGXgwSsYNl1JQqeEhFJ/3QmYjGrufWuXK2g=; b=tzyP1jtE1R2rKEHpO2JUg+Ezd1Alc1Y9Zq0PoDEZ6BPY/a5IvHvDHqDspqN9M4XkZQy4BY6GE9FnkH7DSvbg6G3aU3eKYnlZydI8nhe2W4TTSXwglfhS9C3ZF/amDfaFGOZhbe57kJZH/ADBOyErcQev6jPv9yPyE8U/M/OUs0g= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 10 Aug 2012 14:54:10 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2012 10:54:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1841615931-1344610472=:49985" Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:54:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1841615931-1344610472=:49985 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for approved border > crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a passport there is no > real added benefit. The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless you have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of only marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the NEXUS lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your passport doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are invariably longer going south than going north (except of course at Detroit.) I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian readylane. 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b=Nis+7aZcurnHxplfTYncL3NVZjIpOxHt5kRYihN7G9pZRZhGktRG5u+g sXmEgbMe9S/N5CFAUweflVb6OpdbI8VsoBCyuz2SnLxedCUvw2i/HyO2I GOxaX25SQL5KAM4ipgQSAxhGa3utEnAMdoVmINRa9H/oN39cSnYg/yhH5 M=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221631232" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:37 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="279574695" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:37 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:11:19 -0700 To: Ben Campbell From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: Randy Bush , Thomas Herbst , attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:19:38 -0000 At 9:03 AM -0500 8/10/12, Ben Campbell wrote: > Unfortunately, the Global Entry interviewers have been spreading > the "card gets you into the Pre-Check queue" rumor at DFW. They > explicitly told my wife that when she had he had her interview. It > took quite a bit of explaining on how organizations develop "lore" > vs "training" to convince her that the interviewer was mistaken. It > didn't matter anyway, because she was already eligible for > Pre-Check via her AA status. Yeah, spreading more confusion isn't ideal. I assume we'll now have people attempting to flash their GE card when the TSA checker directs them to the regular screening lane instead of the expedited screening lane, requiring the TSA checker to attempt to explain it. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The budget should be balanced. The treasury should be refilled. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials should be controlled. --Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.) From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 08:19:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F106221F86C2 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6I6VnByXo-V for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CF221F86BB for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344611983; x=1376147983; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=uSk044gjQpV/VvE4UR+cCULkKeZVW/2I7lcN0gHPNzk=; b=X20ZUQOWRheFKovaUa+leaba8zgStJNnAlxyrFvBfKn3cQBTx1u03cnz nXhLU597aAjFh2ch5LXzZBqIKahA4VLVVTs5fWofQgG8oSTo34iFD0cts FqDhBfn29x/KiXBhByLc8TBCjmq5SA0gC/jY5E49MgqaadVDMY7MSp5v1 o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221631326" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:43 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="309747380" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:43 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:41 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:16:50 -0700 To: John R Levine From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:19:43 -0000 At 10:54 AM -0400 8/10/12, John R Levine wrote: > But the GE card is of only marginal use since you can only use it > to travel FROM Canada, not TO Canada, so you need the passport > anyway. I thought that you can use the card in lieu of a passport to both enter Canada and return to the U.S. when using a land or sea border crossing (not an airport). Since it's been *many* years since I've done that, I have no personal experience, but that's my understanding from when they imposed the passport (or card) rule a few years back (before that your driver's license worked). -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The accessibility, during recovery of small parts which fall from the work bench, varies directly with the size of the part -- and inversely with its importance to the completion of work underway. From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 08:19:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E57A21F86BD for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79HZwGpuRWRz for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E751E21F8699 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344611980; x=1376147980; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=wpd9PT17CiXMykosuud6yrwdVTSZP3wtO/++6aJmRLs=; b=FVsy73Pckk1msM0g3euy7TTQCyrYWYLl3P3JLAfwGqvTVo2j9pVj5I6R UwH2usi1OHaomVxDhktdrgF62M+8rvu3NZ+86GuAjLzQWPHoV/uS+rC2/ 8rjendgXhxhPvtCFb5+zC4E9w1iRHhZ95v7oK92kODOONpQ/ns25yJfF4 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223928245" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160402965" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:19:40 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20120806172415.GF53917@mail.yitter.info> <48913CFB-2D98-4633-9FAF-C8E9CB3931F0@gmail.com> <0B4D38A9-3FC2-46D4-A25B-71FF6BE4B199@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:13:41 -0700 To: Ralph Droms From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: John C Klensin , 84attendees@ietf.org, Bob Hinden , Ralph Droms , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:19:44 -0000 At 10:07 AM -0400 8/10/12, Ralph Droms wrote: > > The GE sticker in your passport serves that purpose. And yes, > the perception of queue jumping can be a problem when using GE > (especially at, e.g., MIA). > > I'll need to check, as I don't have my passport with me, but I > don't recall getting a sticker in my passport when I signed up for > GE about 18 months ago. > > Anyway, I sent off for the $15 card as it seems like cheap > insurance in case of some need to identify myself w/o a kiosk. You should have a sticker. If you don't, you may want to drop by a GE enrollment center on your next trip. No appointment needed, just show up and say you want a sticker and they'll verify that your passport is enrolled and add a sticker. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- "The meat is rotten, but the booze is holding out." --alleged computer translation of "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 08:24:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E13321F86B6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNLTWwsaTT3i for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A028221F8499 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344612264; x=1376148264; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=Hh7+8Xn1TMQDZt+62gOsF6d6vcqD+MOtRl1TugaW8e0=; b=XsWKetMTqjwlE3hMTuvqwpwxr3EQGCQISigEmd6Y+0CxkVIyEUpm7Dzh 8K9Fx8dxzgiwz1TmBRhLMOp0djA/OTBjktr93vVSRBbnK0owz113v98Wm L7USLSGCTO4GK+0xInFkBrWPlDRAQUiOAG7PmX4ywAlp6AYytLm/WvmbR 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221635163" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:24:24 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160405034" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:24:24 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:21:32 -0700 To: Don Blumenthal , John R Levine , John C Klensin From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:24 -0000 At 8:20 PM -0400 8/7/12, Don Blumenthal wrote: > I'm still trying to figure if I should look into adding the GOES card that > some have mentioned. Judging from the TSA website image, the information > on the back seems to be the same as on the NEXUS card. GOES is the enrollment web site. Do you mean the Global Entry card? If you already have Global Entry, there's very little benefit in adding the card. If you don't already have Global Entry, then it's well worth enrolling (and you'll get the card for free). -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. --Clarence Darrow From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 08:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B80E21F86C6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRdl6MHQi+sT for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C335321F86BA for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344612266; x=1376148266; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=2yTO3ipuU2xf6drh8bPrlovFBxxaFtCPFK09kum5hzI=; b=LWw6qfzFxm6MudlcHkxi0SPU6wKaXdSRMID0FVGSGHWlZry44Y5fDY9q b4113mFu4Wbvi6THRdQNX2be69Kt4n5p3bR4JsRVretypRIagFl1w30HP g/l9NmlvLAuAKrYcwf3gEQ7bZO3TkyFEPcMyswtSJ/cvWYb5UGgRtm0HI o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223930958" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:24:26 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="309753153" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:24:26 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:24:12 -0700 To: John R Levine , Don Blumenthal From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:24:26 -0000 At 9:42 PM -0400 8/7/12, John R Levine wrote: > GOES machines read your passport and fingerprints at US ports of > entry, so you need to get your fingerprints scanned. If you > already have NEXUS, you need to have an interview at a GOES > enrollment center at a US airport but it's free and very quick. > > The benefit is that there are GOES machines at many US airports, > but NEXUS machines only at Canadian airports. GOES is the enrollment web site for all CBP Trusted Traveller programs (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI). Hence, there are no GOES machines (but there are Global Entry machines (kiosks) and NEXUS machines and I assume SENTRI but am not enrolled in that). -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Superstition and accident manifest the will of god. --Carl Jung From johnl@taugh.com Fri Aug 10 08:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC0B21F86EC for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voFOrAu5djqT for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965B321F86E4 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16337 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2012 15:27:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=3fcf.5025286f.k1208; bh=YpJQezLjzbRnujorUNH8KbzdbAg6esCQzmnWoBJPPHU=; b=I/byQEZqwLZP2hV2+OT4U1wU8cVjAegdDw32FGS6cXAM39ameLRvlN2qGIj51QIGxrAsk7sfXVP4YYwRoMEVjyhoUvH4VlnXbg1CIg/ggAMfTLlm92vx3bVuB+7x/ugkX+LPqma3aneRPkoYm1GDWgfCntjmj1m7/ZNoksb2Rc0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=3fcf.5025286f.k1208; bh=YpJQezLjzbRnujorUNH8KbzdbAg6esCQzmnWoBJPPHU=; b=M6TWvzGGyYbuMRVDuJsHTszjgZz1FEVcwXBf5kTcvsV/qN7KWvShSlvSvOYu48lBWKD0BiiekgZ6qK7sLzH9C1QBU/B0R+xk3ojbcCkCUe7KgV3rW8XZqUPcqUpcFXabo4E7QuR3B7Qs79f6KdONquL9KYUqqCwuXl3utf7JPLo= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 10 Aug 2012 15:27:21 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2012 11:27:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1076520639-1344612463=:66999" Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:27:45 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1076520639-1344612463=:66999 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> But the GE card is of only marginal use since you can only use it to >> travel FROM Canada, not TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway. > > I thought that you can use the card in lieu of a passport to both enter > Canada and return to the U.S. when using a land or sea border crossing NEXUS yes, SENTRI or GE no. The difference is that NEXUS is also vetted by Canadian immigration. 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a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=40d5.502528a5.k1208; bh=R7Vvl2FPSvynWnSglnfIxMySucUK77f7JWHpZnL9/gc=; b=ynubjzkM+wdjf6+d6xMraI9o3WUBguP5AFHYlvjuI+DYZnYWk/hX6pj5nSPkSYsGqjKdrg2SeveqVeOQ/8vt9M3bnZ+jXsqGB70EKxK/p2yy9K+n9ZQ5gUXUrLUX3RNJRvSDnY0OsKqK5Zdg7S8sN2QuY+7f3o41TWUNt/zeGn8= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 10 Aug 2012 15:28:15 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2012 11:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Randall Gellens" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1149306795-1344612517=:66999" Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:28:39 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1149306795-1344612517=:66999 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > GOES is the enrollment web site for all CBP Trusted Traveller programs > (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI). Hence, there are no GOES machines (but there > are Global Entry machines (kiosks) and NEXUS machines and I assume SENTRI but > am not enrolled in that). Feel free to tell that to the people who put up big signs saying GOES. 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b=Eem4YTEKLvPJFt89OjTwUMm1f0wu78H1BRhHL4CdoxwKtPyd0cCIA4aD /8K5ClVJke9RHA8eWiFyFPAsuwU8FiVN4y4e7zZuBCvsF9vQtzY8gHquA 9KKIjq3ejTTiuep/PI+U0L3ME+uTuyCtYX1m0vxExWE/D3zhieIpe5trf o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="223950371" Received: from ironmsg02-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.16]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 08:47:24 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="122087875" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 08:47:24 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:42:31 -0700 To: Don Blumenthal , John R Levine From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Cc: "84attendees@ietf.org" <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:47:34 -0000 At 10:11 PM -0400 8/7/12, Don Blumenthal wrote: > I'm in Global Traveler and NEXUS but am curious about the GOES card > that some mentioned and that is shown on the TSA site. According to the Global Entry FAQ, the card isn't needed except for surface crossings (in which case, as I think John Levine mentioned, it gets you back into the U.S. from Canada using the expedited lane): "if you do not travel by land between the U.S. and Canada or Mexico, you probably don't need it." https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1228/~/global-entry-card-application-and-activation -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Automobile: A four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedestrians. From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Aug 10 08:47:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF3F21F8782 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.313, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MzfthAkdyPI for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C721F8772 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB6308A031 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:47:31 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 84attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120810154730.GF87645@mail.yitter.info> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:47:35 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:16:50AM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > I thought that you can use the card in lieu of a passport to both > enter Canada and return to the U.S. when using a land or sea border > crossing (not an airport). Since it's been *many* years since I've > done that, I have no personal experience, but that's my > understanding from when they imposed the passport (or card) rule a > few years back (before that your driver's license worked). If the GE card functions as a "U.S. Passport Card", then it would let you into Canada (although not in the NEXUS lane). The requirement that US Citizens have a passport when entering Canada is, last I checked anyway, just an administrative convention and not yet the law. US Citizens always had a waiver on entry to Canada. When the US imposed its passport requirement _from_ Canada, however, the Canadian Immigration people had to start requiring passports into the country -- not because of any tit-for-tat impulse, but because we'd end up with all these stranded people in Canada, annoyed that they couldn't carry around their guns [1]. So USians are required to have a passport-like thing when entering Canada now. If the CBP agent is sure you'll be able to return to the US, you're golden. (None of this counts for air travel, where for some reason the real live passport is considered necessary in a way that it isn't needed at land or sea ports. If someone can explain to me why it is safer to let someone across the border in their giant SUV with 12,000 tons of cargo space using just a card, than to let someone into the country in an airplane with their permitted 3.14159 picolitres of permitted no-fee luggage using just a card, I'd be delighted to know.) For my part, I'd just carry the passport. [1] http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/us-cop-blasted-for-wishing-to-carry-gun-in-calgary-park-165699436.html Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From john-ietf@jck.com Fri Aug 10 09:21:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCBE21F876E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E4xN2jnLzGqb for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6080A21F87C7 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Szrqw-0002g3-Uu; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:14:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:20:22 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Randall Gellens , Ben Campbell Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Randy Bush , Thomas Herbst , attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:21:42 -0000 --On Friday, August 10, 2012 08:11 -0700 Randall Gellens wrote: >... > Yeah, spreading more confusion isn't ideal. I assume we'll > now have people attempting to flash their GE card when the TSA > checker directs them to the regular screening lane instead of > the expedited screening lane, requiring the TSA checker to > attempt to explain it. Well, the TSA I-D checker (or contractor) might accept the card in lieu of a passport or driver's license as "government issued ID" for domestic travel. Might. Might even be impressed, which, with a couple of bucks, would by a cup of coffee at the average airport. Also "might". :-( john From randy@qualcomm.com Fri Aug 10 09:29:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E1221F858E for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEEVGbhV2w9o for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FA921F8539 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1344616159; x=1376152159; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=h4wqe+AVxEKTLeOwz7VLC8HmNwqn6bclYDSm3kmmLhA=; b=URPtJDThZYaeHAyPce3Psivb2vOVuD4xHC/4jrbUBWsxq/J5L3PIjBfi JgkpFPrBWkA3X2zDrA/0XGMlH7Q3pyEG8Qey5MuGTzaXEIBuinchGCAs+ 9NrsfWHYagPWzsyMyP8eu0IKzaqdheN7paf0ucbjtb1jvgsM8OpNet1vr U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6798"; a="221689959" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 09:29:18 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,745,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="279625999" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 09:29:18 -0700 Received: from [10.43.2.131] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120810154730.GF87645@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120810154730.GF87645@mail.yitter.info> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:27:58 -0700 To: Andrew Sullivan , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:29:18 -0000 At 11:47 AM -0400 8/10/12, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > None of > this counts for air travel, where for some reason the real live > passport is considered necessary in a way that it isn't needed at land > or sea ports. If someone can explain to me why it is safer to let > someone across the border in their giant SUV with 12,000 tons of cargo > space using just a card, than to let someone into the country in an > airplane with their permitted 3.14159 picolitres of permitted no-fee > luggage using just a card, I'd be delighted to know.) Well, when you put it that way :-) I always figured it had nothing to do with what made sense for whatever ostensible purpose the passport/passport-like think is needed, but more of a convenience thing. > For my part, I'd just carry the passport. Well, sure. Me too. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The face of evil is always the face of total need. --William S. Burroughs From ben@nostrum.com Fri Aug 10 09:30:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7314B21F8577 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-L+xOFHLrxB for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E468521F84F1 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.12.11.64] ([4.30.77.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7AGUfPS019405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:30:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:30:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 4.30.77.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Randall Gellens , Randy Bush , Thomas Herbst , attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:30:43 -0000 On Aug 10, 2012, at 11:20 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 > --On Friday, August 10, 2012 08:11 -0700 Randall Gellens > wrote: >=20 >> ... >> Yeah, spreading more confusion isn't ideal. I assume we'll >> now have people attempting to flash their GE card when the TSA >> checker directs them to the regular screening lane instead of >> the expedited screening lane, requiring the TSA checker to >> attempt to explain it. >=20 > Well, the TSA I-D checker (or contractor) might accept the card > in lieu of a passport or driver's license as "government issued > ID" for domestic travel. Might. Might even be impressed, > which, with a couple of bucks, would by a cup of coffee at the > average airport. Also "might". :-( >=20 I believe the card is on the official list of IDs that TSA will accept. = But, at least based on reported experiences on the FlyerTalk forum, the = chances that a TSA ID checker actually recognizes it, or is willing to = take the time to check the book, I suspect the most likely answer is "do = you have another form of ID". From johnl@taugh.com Fri Aug 10 09:50:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16DA21F87C7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dhkVWRgt5EMe for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0228B21F87BE for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 35276 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2012 16:50:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=89cb.50253bd6.k1208; bh=NNvIISurwkcNs3DtojyXX6ggZdXLM/fK1g6PMwthVpc=; b=o/86YHXR5qYQQDQnQYMIfseK3OSs3M2hgKXvINu/WS1qtonOOPkNLctwmXOakBmdccP3qUik2QDWPy/+KozB7reMPwLYvm6Mp5BhVSb1dTdn9YINzpfslmDgAvErINSyZJTp+Uc1us+Ui+BPmZSWj+c55aecGXA+f1KrAWPTuG8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=89cb.50253bd6.k1208; bh=NNvIISurwkcNs3DtojyXX6ggZdXLM/fK1g6PMwthVpc=; b=I3mwV2uTcs8AKs06FCj9Maaxd5kqiig896dVIQp+oxTpK0QapmWOZbUwaR1/uxQeMNT2Wlriqs5GEoLIJ+NCYlz+/8A4RScfnLE5UEOsaLTW7+A88WB94Y+eN3Leyne+sIZ2oqmsJIizl1gm5Ek0xfEhWSwT2o1O0tJCSo1eCNY= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 10 Aug 2012 16:50:08 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2012 12:50:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Andrew Sullivan" In-Reply-To: <20120810154730.GF87645@mail.yitter.info> References: <20120810154730.GF87645@mail.yitter.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1916850548-1344617430=:66999" Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:50:32 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1916850548-1344617430=:66999 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > If the GE card functions as a "U.S. Passport Card", then it would let > you into Canada (although not in the NEXUS lane). It might be amusing to show it to officers at Canadian border crossings and see what they make of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they're not all fully up to date on what cards the US is issuing that are good for what. At least going into the US, there is an arcane distinction between the "ready" lane which is for people with RFID cards that are not trusted traveller cards, i.e. US passport card and EDL, and the NEXUS/SENTRI lane which is only for people with those kinds of cards. If anyone's ever in Niagara Falls with a GE card, try going up to the gate on the Whirlpool bridge, which is NEXUS only, and see if your GE card opens the gate. 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a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=8ea4.50253d1e.k1208; bh=+FHuH3VAAA3hacgPq8s/lOelycUyvuWf9ZVi1zfbWWo=; b=RpTCL3VNRyoUy5ChLgwUdeh/Szjo6kQUW+Xx2xlHiTC8CmdYC0/Ndi+Nlqm1sI1qcSn/aqURrSyuHKzbOOG9/Vt9l8G4yPjpcB+DkkgOaZ+K+kcNv9JdVGQg5WfTi6KoTqcuuRO5td40w+ov3EdO+fpQwZPrJlbhj414k9Jtql0= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 10 Aug 2012 16:55:36 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2012 12:55:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "John C Klensin" In-Reply-To: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net> <53AFD97D-E001-4025-97DE-0E4B95AA97CA@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1104499466-1344617758=:66999" Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:56:00 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1104499466-1344617758=:66999 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Well, the TSA I-D checker (or contractor) might accept the card > in lieu of a passport or driver's license as "government issued > ID" for domestic travel. Might. There is an official list of TSA acceptable ID, and trusted traveller cards are on it. But in my experience few TSA agents have ever seen that list. 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Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.211]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:41:49 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: wdwang Thread-Topic: [84attendees] Wednesday SDNRG presentation documents Thread-Index: AQHNeBLp5gqwPsYToU2o8s57K1huuZdWQQaA Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: References: <15D98C3A-48D5-4BFA-9E96-470D6D49C0AA@kumari.net>, , , <201208120643407031743@bupt.edu.cn> In-Reply-To: <201208120643407031743@bupt.edu.cn> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_35569FF5-6ED4-4B64-B71C-C7C9A36DB2D1"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: attendees <84attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [84attendees] Wednesday SDNRG presentation documents X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:42:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_35569FF5-6ED4-4B64-B71C-C7C9A36DB2D1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Lars On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:43, wdwang wrote: > =20 > Does anybody know where I can find the IETF84 SDNRG meeting slides? = Your help is highly appreciated! > =20 > Wendong WANG=20 > =20 > wdwang > 2012-08-12 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --Apple-Mail=_48E0C9BF-F7D0-47D2-85B0-9AFC04BD2377 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 For = now: http://tools.iet= f.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg

The chairs are = having permission errors when trying to upload into the meeting material = manager, this is being = investigated.

Lars

On = Aug 12, 2012, at 1:43, wdwang <wdwang@bupt.edu.cn> = wrote:

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Does anybody = know where I can find=20 the IETF84 SDNRG meeting slides?  Your help is highly=20 appreciated!
 
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(PDT) Received: from smtpksrv1.mitre.org (smtpksrv1.mitre.org [198.49.146.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEC821E8086 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpksrv1.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 016FD21B0691; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linus.mitre.org (linus.mitre.org [129.83.10.1]) by smtpksrv1.mitre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF11921B0639; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.31.168.252] (wvb-172-31-168-252.mitre.org [172.31.168.252]) by linus.mitre.org (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7EJmvmJ014778; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:48:52 -0400 From: Bede McCall Organization: MITRE Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060001050102030003060002" Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: bede@mitre.org List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:49:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060001050102030003060002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for either inbound or outbound travel). I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you have a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card. The card fits in your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it first came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a fair distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding jacket with each card. I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border crossings several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as ID (once due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA. To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the kiosk. It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which either a Passport Card or book is OK. I believe NEXUS works for any type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada. Some ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI. I suspect that one idea lurking behind the GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup for TSA's PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts say there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing the GE card regardless. Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each with a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with each other in meaningful ways. On the US side, State (Passport and Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a strong history of cooperation. The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a glimmer of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on the existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP. --Bede McCall On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote: >> My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for approved >> border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a >> passport there is no real added benefit. > > The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless you > have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of > only marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not > TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the > NEXUS lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your > passport doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are > invariably longer going south than going north (except of course at > Detroit.) > > I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use > there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been > enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with > SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian > readylane. > > R's, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --------------060001050102030003060002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for either inbound or outbound travel).   I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you have a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card.  The card fits in your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it first came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a fair distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding  jacket with each card.  I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border crossings several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as ID (once due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA.

To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the kiosk.  It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which either a Passport Card or book is OK.  I believe NEXUS works for any type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada.  Some ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI.  I suspect that one idea lurking behind the GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup for TSA's PreCheck.  The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass;  my instincts say there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing the GE card regardless.

Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each with a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with each other in meaningful ways.  On the US side, State (Passport and Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a strong history of cooperation.  The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a glimmer of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on the existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP.

--Bede McCall

On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote:
My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a passport there is no real added benefit.

The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless you have a rather larger wallet than most guys.  But the GE card is of only marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway.  It does let you use the NEXUS lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your passport doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are invariably longer going south than going north (except of course at Detroit.)

I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian readylane.

R's,
John


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--------------060001050102030003060002-- From warren@kumari.net Tue Aug 14 13:00:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B72A21F87B3 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z+Yf4-mkheKl for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93AC21F878B for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (66-87-85-207.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.85.207]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF6B51B4063B; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:00:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> To: bede@mitre.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:00:32 -0000 On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Bede McCall wrote: > You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all = sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for = either inbound or outbound travel). =20 What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might also be = useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign country. = I suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the card might = make getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but could be = wrong, usually am=85) W > I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you have = a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card. The card fits in = your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it first = came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a fair = distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding jacket with = each card. I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border crossings = several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as ID (once = due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA. >=20 > To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US = Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US = customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international = airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the = kiosk. It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which = either a Passport Card or book is OK. I believe NEXUS works for any = type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada. Some = ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through = lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI. I suspect that one idea lurking behind the = GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup = for TSA's PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to = be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts say = there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing = the GE card regardless. >=20 > Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems from = the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each with = a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with each = other in meaningful ways. On the US side, State (Passport and Passport = Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and within DHS = the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a strong = history of cooperation. The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a glimmer = of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on the = existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP. >=20 > --Bede McCall >=20 > On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote: >>> My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for = approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a = passport there is no real added benefit.=20 >>=20 >> The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless you = have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of only = marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not TO = Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the NEXUS = lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your passport = doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are invariably = longer going south than going north (except of course at Detroit.)=20 >>=20 >> I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use = there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been = enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with = SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian = readylane.=20 >>=20 >> R's,=20 >> John >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >>=20 >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees --=20 Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick = to anger. =20 -- J.R.R. Tolkien From eburger@standardstrack.com Wed Aug 15 14:29:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF5821F85C7 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.788, BAYES_20=-0.74, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2AwtSyAry4t for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz104.inmotionhosting.com (biz104.inmotionhosting.com [74.124.215.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEFC21F85CC for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip68-100-199-8.dc.dc.cox.net ([68.100.199.8]:60801 helo=[192.168.15.138]) by biz104.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T1l9R-0002OL-CL for 84attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:29:17 -0700 From: Eric Burger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-34--460746437; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:29:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz104.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:29:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-34--460746437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Why do I have a Passport Card? Because I've had my identity stolen three = time by folks using my driver's license number. Whenever I get a request = for a government-issued ID, I use my Passport Card. It's not tied to = anything. On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 > On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Bede McCall wrote: >=20 >> You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all = sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for = either inbound or outbound travel). =20 >=20 > What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might also = be useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign = country. I suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the = card might make getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but = could be wrong, usually am=85) >=20 > W >=20 >=20 >> I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you have = a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card. The card fits in = your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it first = came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a fair = distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding jacket with = each card. I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border crossings = several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as ID (once = due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA. >>=20 >> To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US = Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US = customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international = airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the = kiosk. It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which = either a Passport Card or book is OK. I believe NEXUS works for any = type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada. Some = ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through = lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI. I suspect that one idea lurking behind the = GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup = for TSA's PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to = be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts say = there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing = the GE card regardless. >>=20 >> Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems = from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each = with a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with = each other in meaningful ways. On the US side, State (Passport and = Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and = within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a = strong history of cooperation. The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a = glimmer of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on = the existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP. >>=20 >> --Bede McCall >>=20 >> On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote: >>>> My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for = approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a = passport there is no real added benefit.=20 >>>=20 >>> The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless you = have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of only = marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not TO = Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the NEXUS = lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your passport = doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are invariably = longer going south than going north (except of course at Detroit.)=20 >>>=20 >>> I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use = there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been = enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with = SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian = readylane.=20 >>>=20 >>> R's,=20 >>> John >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>>=20 >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 > --=20 > Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick = to anger. =20 > -- J.R.R. 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That is the best case I have heard yet to get one. The spidey = sense is going off though. That sounds too easy. If someone steals you = PP# is there something that makes it more difficult for them to steal = your ID? Drew Dvorshak Director, Membership & Services dvorshak@isoc.org On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Eric Burger wrote: > Why do I have a Passport Card? Because I've had my identity stolen = three time by folks using my driver's license number. Whenever I get a = request for a government-issued ID, I use my Passport Card. It's not = tied to anything. >=20 > On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Bede McCall wrote: >>=20 >>> You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all = sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for = either inbound or outbound travel). =20 >>=20 >> What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might also = be useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign = country. I suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the = card might make getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but = could be wrong, usually am=85) >>=20 >> W >>=20 >>=20 >>> I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you = have a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card. The card fits = in your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it = first came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a = fair distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding jacket = with each card. I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border = crossings several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as = ID (once due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA. >>>=20 >>> To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US = Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US = customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international = airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the = kiosk. It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which = either a Passport Card or book is OK. I believe NEXUS works for any = type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada. Some = ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through = lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI. I suspect that one idea lurking behind the = GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup = for TSA's PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to = be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts say = there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing = the GE card regardless. >>>=20 >>> Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems = from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each = with a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with = each other in meaningful ways. On the US side, State (Passport and = Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and = within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a = strong history of cooperation. The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a = glimmer of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on = the existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP. >>>=20 >>> --Bede McCall >>>=20 >>> On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote: >>>>> My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for = approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a = passport there is no real added benefit.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless = you have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of = only marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not = TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the = NEXUS lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your = passport doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are = invariably longer going south than going north (except of course at = Detroit.)=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use = there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been = enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with = SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian = readylane.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> R's,=20 >>>> John >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>>=20 >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 84attendees mailing list >>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>=20 >> --=20 >> Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and = quick to anger. =20 >> -- J.R.R. Tolkien >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 84attendees mailing list >> 84attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees From randy@qualcomm.com Wed Aug 15 23:11:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBED521F856F for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6G6hAvliw37 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438C621F854F for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:11:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1345097489; x=1376633489; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:date:to:from: subject:mime-version:content-type:x-random-sig-tag: x-originating-ip; bh=2V+7Gx7dIXVkukeweYBMareI6iohRgJP92zjHy9DDb0=; b=kXE9X3HaP/JYkIQ/drYxokR2kceTX7TkgkH1/1A3rZSAomufw8ZQX7kq uvzFx+gP2F8p/kUlg6zDpN1M9avqIQM0gaekN67caBslBccuxWHOI0AaG ck2hZyytXBL3EZ0cd8Z+fZD6BkTEdtsAAtkX7pTEPzhARiKjQmJ8WLNPm Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6804"; a="223533999" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2012 23:11:21 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,776,1336374000"; d="scan'208";a="160547738" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 15 Aug 2012 23:11:21 -0700 Received: from [172.16.2.202] (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> References: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:10:34 -0700 To: , <84attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:11:28 -0000 At 3:48 PM -0400 8/14/12, Bede McCall wrote: > I suspect that one idea lurking behind the GE card is that you > could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup for TSA's > PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to be > based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts > say there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist > on seeing the GE card regardless. Pre-Check is not an ID-based system at all. It's a TSA "Known Traveler" program, similar to but distinct from the CBP "Trusted Traveler" programs. CBP does thorough background checks and interviews to enroll someone in one of the Trusted Traveler programs, after which the traveler is trusted and has expedited entry into the U.S. each and every time. In contrast, the TSA allows certain travelers to be eligible, based on having high frequent flyer status in a participating airline or being enrolled in a CBP trusted traveler program. Eligible passengers must also consent to sharing information with the TSA, and may be selected on an instance by instance basis for expedited screening. The TSA's selection process is said to be based on the perceived threat level of the flight as well as what is known about the eligible passenger. No ID is needed or used for Pre-Check. Eligibility is verified by the airlines and submitted to the TSA, who determine if the passenger is selected for expedited screening in each instance. The information does seem, based on anecdotal evidence, to be encoded in the "selectee" field of the PDF barcode on a boarding pass. So, I can't see why a TSA employee would ever want to see someone's GE or passport card in connection with Pre-Check. > Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems > from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, > each with a different mission/policy base and few of which > communicate with each other in meaningful ways. On the US side, > State (Passport and Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS > (GE, PreCheck, ...) and within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., > TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a strong history of cooperation. The > nascent TSA PreCheck program is a glimmer of hope, if only because > TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on the existing CBP Global Entry > program rather than competing with CBP. TSA isn't basing Pre-Check on CBP GE (nor NEXUS/SENTRI), but TSA is allowing those enrolled in Global ENtry or SENTRI or NEXUS to be eligible for Pre-Check, as an alternative to having high status in a participating airline's frequent flyer program. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a bit longer. --Henry Kissinger From eburger@standardstrack.com Thu Aug 16 05:57:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BDF21F85E4 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.386 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.386 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.213, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lILE9Xlxwoc6 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz104.inmotionhosting.com (biz104.inmotionhosting.com [74.124.215.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C09D21F849A for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip68-100-199-8.dc.dc.cox.net ([68.100.199.8]:64930 helo=[192.168.15.138]) by biz104.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T1zda-0008WL-Sa; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:57:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-23--405058811; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Eric Burger In-Reply-To: <774A9757-FC36-4897-96E9-47DBB394B694@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:57:24 -0400 Message-Id: References: <502AABA4.2040500@mitre.org> <774A9757-FC36-4897-96E9-47DBB394B694@isoc.org> To: Drew Dvorshak X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz104.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:57:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail-23--405058811 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 The issue is that it is very difficult to tie a passport number to = anything else, as opposed to your driver's license number, which is = already tied to your bank accounts, loans, credit cards, etc. If someone has hacked the CBP data base to get to you, you have much = bigger problems... On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Drew Dvorshak wrote: > Wow! That is the best case I have heard yet to get one. The spidey = sense is going off though. That sounds too easy. If someone steals you = PP# is there something that makes it more difficult for them to steal = your ID? >=20 > Drew Dvorshak > Director, Membership & Services > dvorshak@isoc.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Eric Burger wrote: >=20 >> Why do I have a Passport Card? Because I've had my identity stolen = three time by folks using my driver's license number. Whenever I get a = request for a government-issued ID, I use my Passport Card. It's not = tied to anything. >>=20 >> On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Bede McCall wrote: >>>=20 >>>> You can use a US Passport Card instead of your passport book at all = sea/land crossings between the US and either Canada or Mexico (for = either inbound or outbound travel). =20 >>>=20 >>> What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might = also be useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign = country. I suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the = card might make getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but = could be wrong, usually am=85) >>>=20 >>> W >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> I forget what the card costs, but the basic story is that if you = have a passport, for a fee you can get a passport card. The card fits = in your wallet, which is the use case that led to controversy when it = first came out -- it has an embedded RFID chip that can be read at a = fair distance, so State was compelled to issue a RF shielding jacket = with each card. I've used my card at ground-level Canadian border = crossings several times without a hitch, and have on occasion used it as = ID (once due to a misplaced driver's license) for TSA. >>>>=20 >>>> To the very limited extent that I understand the situation with US = Customs & Immigration, Global Entry simply gets you through inbound US = customs/immigration via the kiosk instead of the booths at international = airports -- you still need a passport book (but NOT the card) for the = kiosk. It doesn't cover driving, sailing or train crossings, for which = either a Passport Card or book is OK. I believe NEXUS works for any = type of inbound (and apparently outbound) travel to(/from) Canada. Some = ground-level border crossings reportedly have dedicated drive-through = lanes for NEXUS and SENTRI. I suspect that one idea lurking behind the = GE card is that you could use it as an ID card and possibly as a backup = for TSA's PreCheck. The thing about PreCheck is that it's supposed to = be based on an encoding printed on the boarding pass; my instincts say = there will be quite a few TSA shirts out there who will insist on seeing = the GE card regardless. >>>>=20 >>>> Much of the confusion that results from the welter of cards stems = from the fact that there are multiple government agencies involved, each = with a different mission/policy base and few of which communicate with = each other in meaningful ways. On the US side, State (Passport and = Passport Card) doesn't have much to say to DHS (GE, PreCheck, ...) and = within DHS the multiple agencies (e.g., TSA, CBP, ICE) don't have a = strong history of cooperation. The nascent TSA PreCheck program is a = glimmer of hope, if only because TSA is basing PreCheck enrollment on = the existing CBP Global Entry program rather than competing with CBP. >>>>=20 >>>> --Bede McCall >>>>=20 >>>> On 8/10/2012 10:54 AM, John R Levine wrote: >>>>>> My understanding is that it serves in lieu of a passport for = approved border crossings by car or boat, but since you already have a = passport there is no real added benefit.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The card fits in your wallet while your passport doesn't, unless = you have a rather larger wallet than most guys. But the GE card is of = only marginal use since you can only use it to travel FROM Canada, not = TO Canada, so you need the passport anyway. It does let you use the = NEXUS lane at a land border crossing, which the GE sticker in your = passport doesn't. That might be helpful since the border lines are = invariably longer going south than going north (except of course at = Detroit.)=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I haven't gone to Mexico in a long time, but it's of even less use = there because you can only use the SENTRI lane in a car that's been = enrolled. So either you're hitching a ride with someone else with = SENTRI, or you're walking bank to El Paso where there's a pedestrian = readylane.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> R's,=20 >>>>> John >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>>>=20 >>>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 84attendees mailing list >>>> 84attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and = quick to anger. =20 >>> -- J.R.R. 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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:12:26 -0000 On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Warren Kumari wrote: > What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might also be > useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign country. I > suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the card might make > getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but could be wrong, usually > am?) Having never lost my passport, the rumor I hear is that replacing a US passport is pretty easy, though a bit expensive -- they have your old application and photo available online, and will just make things work. I've even heard rumor that the US passport is among the easiest ID docs to get replaced, even easier than most states' drivers licenses. However, there might be an advantage when renewing your passport -- the renewal application asks you to enclose your most recent passport. If that happens to be the card, presumably you can keep using the book for travel while the renewal is being processed. -- Sam From warren@kumari.net Thu Aug 16 12:32:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7708D21F84EE for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTxd-HG4Ce1l for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (vimes.kumari.net [198.186.192.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A2521F8462 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (unknown [66.84.81.72]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A9F8F1B403D3; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:32:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> References: To: Samuel Weiler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:32:43 -0000 On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Samuel Weiler wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 >> What occurs to me is that having a passport card / GE card might also = be useful if you happen to lose your "real" passport in a foreign = country. I suspect that showing up at an embassy / consulate with the = card might make getting a replacement passport simpler / faster (but = could be wrong, usually am?) >=20 > Having never lost my passport, the rumor I hear is that replacing a US = passport is pretty easy, though a bit expensive -- they have your old = application and photo available online, and will just make things work. = I've even heard rumor that the US passport is among the easiest ID docs = to get replaced, even easier than most states' drivers licenses. >=20 > However, there might be an advantage when renewing your passport -- = the renewal application asks you to enclose your most recent passport. = If that happens to be the card, presumably you can keep using the book = for travel while the renewal is being processed. Another option is to get a second passport -- = http://www.us-immigration.com/us-immigration-news/obtaining-a-second-us-pa= ssport.html Have never gotten around to doing this, but keep meaning too=85. W >=20 > -- Sam >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees >=20 -- It is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally = vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- E.W Dijkstra, 1930-2002 From johnl@taugh.com Thu Aug 16 13:05:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181F121F846A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gG7FYF5BmtgY for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0921F8487 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 42596 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2012 20:05:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=a663.502d5277.k1208; bh=uB1TNRarD4WJl+5titJ9ToVQDK36gequ5vMyd9B18Lg=; b=Tum7GQeAnuJNhgjarZWSAtJqT7sVvOLDCUclFLi2HSvCmNVbnGGBPL4MFz5/APpgwK82XZYEWWEI21J9TP3vMGK1+1OHhzaq/8SAc98iw9+fs3KEO9MdfoKTgnLBWzSVFCodqo4g+aDc3TXio4a/24gTIZ52Ai291c80+FkEQns= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=a663.502d5277.k1208; bh=uB1TNRarD4WJl+5titJ9ToVQDK36gequ5vMyd9B18Lg=; b=Pq4Xfo7cnjrdp+zygfHnT7LW6be7PXBOagcr+ceqZjfNCY0yWjHjSWZOiDRUqXXBvp9mEgz636Bbip8dMpAmKRkE+GoBjP8rS0/lURAO21qxQSMiQAC2HdBgMbyry8yswP893QoJ2azPEedljTsfL+c6HuPaJaX1e9IYTlnO8Oc= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 16 Aug 2012 20:04:49 -0000 Date: 16 Aug 2012 16:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Warren Kumari" In-Reply-To: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> References: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3825401791-745265706-1345147511=:92893" Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:05:14 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-745265706-1345147511=:92893 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > Another option is to get a second passport -- http://www.us-immigration.c= om/us-immigration-news/obtaining-a-second-us-passport.html > Have never gotten around to doing this, but keep meaning too=E2=80=A6. I have to say it looks pretty bogus. See this actual state department=20 site that says that the usual rule is one passport per person, and they'll= =20 only give you a second one if you have a specific need such as needing to= =20 travel while a separate visa application is pending, or you travel to two= =20 countries where one won't let you in if there's a stamp from the other in= =20 your passport: http://london.usembassy.gov/cons_new/acs/passports/second.html Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. --3825401791-745265706-1345147511=:92893-- From melinda.shore@gmail.com Thu Aug 16 13:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99CA21F85A0 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDG59BbDWrFo for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EC621F852E for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so2099226pbb.31 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zqZpaEqHxj+Dg/CzQnKfg4rVBbu7jGhqmdZ2C++vo+I=; b=x7vJ2yM5b7pSVqq7KG+1mksVSMdlvtbv0X3KaXEpetkU6f0JfAK78PgsD070nYvkie j3D6sMlBlaEOe6rpJLmKkO1ZFJv34L+puy6kJVUVO6/Ch/3Pl2M++oFF4EvQfJ/Z0Psc rCmcuTy52NkQwV07/7NG2TvvdymbS/oyuG/OuXpfBr9io9uj8o9LA0+fpxhITWvi1lDn jYQp69JS3AlHxRQsroiWAr++sX6vO0voUsSf9Cl6yEMdlJsSFhkhC4KVSdVYoAzAsY0J oZVsfwNrJ91fVVQhfut4WJi3J0x7fGR49XExWlrm9QrBKITYR1bqXjalmpdHVop65J6i qGQw== Received: by 10.68.191.226 with SMTP id hb2mr5713000pbc.129.1345147822890; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spandex.local (66-230-81-200-rb1.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [66.230.81.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq1sm3278082pbc.37.2012.08.16.13.10.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502D53AC.3050302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:10:20 -0800 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 84attendees@ietf.org References: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:10:24 -0000 On 8/16/12 12:05 PM, John R Levine wrote: > I have to say it looks pretty bogus. See this actual state department > site that says that the usual rule is one passport per person, and > they'll only give you a second one if you have a specific need such as > needing to travel while a separate visa application is pending, or you > travel to two countries where one won't let you in if there's a stamp > from the other in your passport: I do know someone who had two passports - he used one for personal travel and the other for business. He overimbibed on a flight home, pulled out both and was trying to figure out which to use, and spent some time with the friendly immigration folks at the airport explaining himself and ultimately surrendering one. That you have to lie and say you lost one in order to get a second (outside of the circumstances John described) ought to be taken as a hint, I think. (I've got a legitimate claim to two passports, but it's due to binationality and two different issuers). Melinda From mary.h.barnes@gmail.com Thu Aug 16 13:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B223821F861A for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.666, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zzPtdLdDduiL for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0270921F84EE for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qadb17 with SMTP id b17so922062qad.10 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1/whFFdSqHXHnwh0soD4N0ew5qo2LRFgebDL2nNB6Cg=; b=ZumV0bGXDhdX7M37e/2uuf6Gi+srxJJmFMa9YqyDynJhmFu9SQv0Mh9S9v0fKwAv1a S+uf4LcRjeIJBfaoptKvBe2JSN0PjuL/AYq8V7PjgU59GT+SGb6q8bGiu5ogoteT4O4z xQPPm0aa/X9WFVcsWvTD7YsPP1HwfKQziNqgPzKfjoA+sDZAydUGiaRgrsEjaECL5SnC 5L8y/uatS5eMPPPnCJYj8M4PKGXwkhR9i3ovndwR/p4b3tTTDWznc6wVjx/2EXdi5ELd oUuw4X7PGMxHYu2rzm/Bueq8yu56zlkzodJvZSkOhL5RDJPnnUL7stqoZimXqSxuQD6U aYEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.213 with SMTP id o21mr1573188qct.94.1345148503326; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.42 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <502D53AC.3050302@gmail.com> References: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> <502D53AC.3050302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: Melinda Shore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c76914eb600e604c767ca46 Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:21:44 -0000 --00248c76914eb600e604c767ca46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you follow the link, you can get a valid passport if you travel frequently, in particular if you often need visas that require you send your passport along with the visa application. The second passport is only good for two years but can be renewed. I may try to get one as I'm running out of pages and I really don't like giving up my passport for any reason. Mary. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 8/16/12 12:05 PM, John R Levine wrote: > >> I have to say it looks pretty bogus. See this actual state department >> site that says that the usual rule is one passport per person, and >> they'll only give you a second one if you have a specific need such as >> needing to travel while a separate visa application is pending, or you >> travel to two countries where one won't let you in if there's a stamp >> from the other in your passport: >> > > I do know someone who had two passports - he used one for personal > travel and the other for business. He overimbibed on a flight home, > pulled out both and was trying to figure out which to use, and > spent some time with the friendly immigration folks at the airport > explaining himself and ultimately surrendering one. That you have > to lie and say you lost one in order to get a second (outside of the > circumstances John described) ought to be taken as a hint, I think. > > (I've got a legitimate claim to two passports, but it's due to > binationality and two different issuers). > > Melinda > > > ______________________________**_________________ > 84attendees mailing list > 84attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/84attendees > --00248c76914eb600e604c767ca46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you follow the link, you can get a valid passport if you travel frequent= ly, in particular if you often need visas that require you send your passpo= rt along with the visa application. =A0The second passport is only good for= two years but can be renewed. =A0 I may try to get one as I'm running = out of pages and I really don't like giving up my passport for any reas= on.

Mary.=A0

On Thu, Aug 16, 2= 012 at 3:10 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/16/12 12:05 PM, John = R Levine wrote:
I have to say it looks pretty bogus. =A0See this actual state department site that says that the usual rule is one passport per person, and
they'll only give you a second one if you have a specific need such as<= br> needing to travel while a separate visa application is pending, or you
travel to two countries where one won't let you in if there's a sta= mp
from the other in your passport:

I do know someone who had two passports - he used one for personal
travel and the other for business. =A0He overimbibed on a flight home,
pulled out both and was trying to figure out which to use, and
spent some time with the friendly immigration folks at the airport
explaining himself and ultimately surrendering one. =A0That you have
to lie and say you lost one in order to get a second (outside of the
circumstances John described) ought to be taken as a hint, I think.

(I've got a legitimate claim to two passports, but it's due to
binationality and two different issuers).

Melinda


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--00248c76914eb600e604c767ca46-- From johnl@taugh.com Thu Aug 16 14:30:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516BD21F84C8 for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpgAgiaSGKlO for <84attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A2D21F84A6 for <84attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 56295 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2012 21:30:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=dbe6.502d6667.k1208; bh=0+nz7CJaqx28LBySciBtVEthHX9kOId/ziWziFD0yrQ=; b=r4jFVNNFwDH3V2fUwriyDVd6mMniyPAalEFvEzfcavKZGK9CQ8ma+zmtgkyjgyFmY2vp6nmGhTdAbqEROJBEbix2jLfz3RBycWYE/zZImtKhoVeHKrgA+YyW5DgDmyv4dldN09u7XluiOHkt77MEHu11CLMQvJRqEdN5I4SqnSo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=dbe6.502d6667.k1208; bh=0+nz7CJaqx28LBySciBtVEthHX9kOId/ziWziFD0yrQ=; b=j252WpIRNPdXSAJMMJ4OBYmaCY8kn+YulmB2YiXkeUBMjrCd2C2IuXa/ItUTrKkHImlMYPetxtfRyBx/AFVVuVRIDXMA+9g2CuzslvPZtrY5hqMplo2Gy8Cr4uknwbCmx6Ec5iPmM2RY5sXesNrrpuRN3jMW03oJ+QHDYECZBt8= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 16 Aug 2012 21:29:53 -0000 Date: 16 Aug 2012 17:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Mary Barnes" In-Reply-To: References: <9238FEE9-7A9B-43D0-81B5-A72E91F674C8@kumari.net> <502D53AC.3050302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YVR Checkin Counter (fwd) X-BeenThere: 84attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF 84 attendees mailing list <84attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:30:17 -0000 > frequently, in particular if you often need visas that require you send > your passport along with the visa application. The second passport is only > good for two years but can be renewed. I may try to get one as I'm > running out of pages and I really don't like giving up my passport for any > reason. If you're just short of blank pages, it's easy to add pages to an existing passport, which isn't free any more but is quite routine, using a DS-4085 form. It took about two weeks when I did it a few years ago. If someone does try to get two US passports, please let us know how picky they are about your reasons for wanting one. R's, John