From johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Sat Apr 27 14:08:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18321F8314 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jd-+m-Kgz9Ur for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.237]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1774A21F8443 for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.237]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B3285E7D1F for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC) X-hush-relay-time: 211 X-hush-relay-id: b1bd903faba185ee07e5a0ed3a1fde37 Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w8.hushmail.com [65.39.178.52]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 7065014DBDE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:19:02 -0400 To: 86attendees@ietf.org From: johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:08:44 -0000 Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP ( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia from University of Georgia, USA. We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: (1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa (2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic (3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance (4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model (5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer (6). Laptop is an example for a super computer (7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning. However, it was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP. DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers about WORLDCOMP. The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever! Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com Search Google using the keyword worldcomp fake for additional links. From randy@psg.com Sat Apr 27 14:12:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809E721F96F7 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 560MNoolmtbc for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF8121F944A for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UWCPb-000B3D-IV; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:12:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 06:12:02 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com In-Reply-To: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: 86attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:12:05 -0000 i am a researcher from one part of the world. and i find your spamming every list you can find as offensive as the bogus conferences. randy From bclaise@cisco.com Sat Apr 27 14:20:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F76721F98A7 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4kBy6gGNXpmS for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E86721F9867 for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3RLKZIU016275; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3RLK22q012202; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:20:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:20:02 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 86attendees@ietf.org, johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:20:47 -0000 On 27/04/2013 23:12, Randy Bush wrote: > i am a researcher from one part of the world. and i find your spamming > every list you can find as offensive as the bogus conferences. Exactly. I received it more than 15 times already. I believe we got the message by now... Regards, Benoit > > randy > _______________________________________________ > 86attendees mailing list > 86attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/86attendees > > From randy@psg.com Sat Apr 27 14:34:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A61021F98C1 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LGzVMbl+QekK for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1D21F98BE for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UWCkr-000B9k-NU; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:34:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 06:34:00 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Benoit Claise In-Reply-To: <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: 86attendees@ietf.org, johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:34:05 -0000 >> i am a researcher from one part of the world. and i find your spamming >> every list you can find as offensive as the bogus conferences. > Exactly. I received it more than 15 times already. > I believe we got the message by now... i guess the only suitable way to deal with it is to submit to the conference From ietf@rozanak.com Sat Apr 27 15:25:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA0221F97F3 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iSiPJQ2i3BK4 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF44921F97EF for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kopoli (g225189153.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.225.189.153]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LymTv-1UaR6I2uLH-015M2s; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:25:46 -0400 From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: "'Randy Bush'" , "'Benoit Claise'" References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 00:25:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000301ce4396$28ad1430$7a073c90$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIgfYUBppZ34nTqB84fNWDwFmO4gQIVc8PWAVe50MABy1z9ApgcZihw Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:I7zyiuEYfclQk7yvk6KlU5vbQtss/rWKaXg3JZLLnMW lwwRALQOJNloCaZytZcLNaQj1GYL5+EWx2n2tgVKY3ek/TmMSJ 3mrxZ4QmgMjCouVZd3WsMhpiD9nN6u3Gg/A48z27Y183yCg88V VadUh61ZUGhNfohieae2Hk3ShmrygMlUdEBY3f38zY3EU2mgDJ JLKtUADbw2iqIN12aqim/kUVL0HffhbjFY1h4/MQLvbrK6L2o9 inRXzTZOlEBBeIOiAtO6fqi1IZfuXFqeY9J97p0VCcyAgLxrHa hcXQA3wQ/Kl4/8FqRezx4tzcxpTfhYBf6FffKiNt+TWnVShLOi nCmmtBdoKdpQEPR+Jw+E= Cc: 86attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:25:49 -0000 That does not help. It is really spam and it seems that he just wants to use the google search engine power to go to the top of the search list. He really chose a good way to this as IETF messages are always crawled by the google robots. He has now created another account using the free mail server hushmail.com and has propagated the same message to many other lists. Usually we receive a lot of spam every day in our individual email, but this was the first time I had received spam on the list. This could act as a warning to IETF to add a filter to their messages in the IETF mailing lists, i.e., when someone sends the same message to several mailing lists, just moderate their ability to send more messages to any mailing lists until the WG of that mailing list again reopens that list to them. This is just an idea. I am sure that in the future we will have more of this stuff happening as it appears that they learned how to do for their advertisements what for whatever other purposes they have in mind, like falsifying information in emails in order to try to ruin the reputations of some people on the internet. In any case, if you decided to contact the conference this is the link. I found this link using the google search. I did not find the name of this person there and from what I learned, this professor works on AI and this conference is concerned with general computer science. http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp13/ws Best, Hosnieh -----Original Message----- From: 86attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:86attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:34 PM To: Benoit Claise Cc: 86attendees@ietf.org; johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science >> i am a researcher from one part of the world. and i find your >> spamming every list you can find as offensive as the bogus conferences. > Exactly. I received it more than 15 times already. > I believe we got the message by now... i guess the only suitable way to deal with it is to submit to the conference _______________________________________________ 86attendees mailing list 86attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/86attendees From randy@psg.com Sat Apr 27 16:19:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818B421F9840 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YkL4-ua5m5b7 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB6621F983A for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UWEOr-000DBk-1Y; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:19:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:19:23 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Hosnieh Rafiee" In-Reply-To: <000301ce4396$28ad1430$7a073c90$@rozanak.com> References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> <000301ce4396$28ad1430$7a073c90$@rozanak.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: 'Benoit Claise' , 86attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:19:28 -0000 i figure this was someone who received some harsh reviews randy From cabo@tzi.org Sun Apr 28 01:31:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBD021F97D1 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjQiorHKHk6x for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C907921F9961 for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r3S8VlGn007291; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p54894F53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.79.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 045333FE2; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:31:45 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130427171902.7065014DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> <517C4102.40108@cisco.com> <000301ce4396$28ad1430$7a073c90$@rozanak.com> To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: 'Benoit Claise' , 86attendees@ietf.org, Hosnieh Rafiee Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:31:59 -0000 On Apr 28, 2013, at 01:19, Randy Bush wrote: > i figure this was someone who received some harsh reviews You can't get a harsh review from a fake conference. The concern of the spammer is rather legitimate; fake conferences are = undermining the bibliometrics that science now seems to be so fond of. It is a win-win situation for two bandits*): The operator of the fake = conference and the submitter of a low-quality "paper". Unfortunately, it drags down submitters of legitimate papers who may not = recognize the fake conference as such and, by publishing there, = permanently tarnish their records by associating themselves with those = bandits. So I constantly have to warn young researchers to be on the look-out for = these things. Now why does our little concerned individual here resort to this kind of = spamming? You wouldn't believe how stupid*) people become once they think they own = the moral high road. No ulterior motive needed. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten *) technical term; see http://cantrip.org/stupidity.html for the most = important economic theory I am aware of. From johnl@iecc.com Sun Apr 28 08:33:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEDD21F9CE1 for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JRTvI0NfXae for <86attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256F621F9C4A for <86attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 44978 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2013 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2013 15:33:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=517d412c.xn--9vv.k1304; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=aEsZQeaijXLyJRC0X6oA0QkTZHmfBqEK3ScGnPJCnJg=; b=ALvJkIbaBCFD0YIoNtyFn+9Ew/AALZ/oxhMMlzeHHC3WyjhmlbZmVEqnIAO4bBqdw7ukHSsKPbKYc3Q6MMUq/9voe3JrK4PH902k34aVPGFG6vvmdDLjEYQuYhtEky3XgYewAxuylNpTpa9h2J5lS1SDdI5gaOI3tW5aIWXY8tI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=517d412c.xn--9vv.k1304; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=aEsZQeaijXLyJRC0X6oA0QkTZHmfBqEK3ScGnPJCnJg=; b=RlJ+TKCjB/8Vre/xVmZTvAPTYSlIeky3Jm/S7QvlKtk3mwbu9/NiMPOVOtecj8M56aJtsigK1/ZKzFyBxEqlVHb5A+JSDbAxc1ocnml1An/rDjr/FZamsZZRVt7M+LRk4gnYASsx91eOylDZ+50rtjYhZ1HNJrYu6nGgtFgcOM4= Date: 28 Apr 2013 15:32:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20130428153237.96754.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: 86attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: cabo@tzi.org Subject: Re: [86attendees] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: 86attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: <86attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:33:04 -0000 >Now why does our little concerned individual here resort to this kind of spamming? >You wouldn't believe how stupid*) people become once they think they own the moral high road. >No ulterior motive needed. The situation with WORLDCOMP is utterly bizarre, involving lawsuits and people at a detective agency in Saskatoon calling people up, pretending not very well to be a lawyer, and making threats about unflattering material on the net. The threats seem to have worked since most of the unflattering material is gone, even though the conference organizers deny any relationship to the people making the threats and have taken legal action against them. R's, John