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[Sorry if you see this message twice. I had accidentally posted it to =
the IETF#86 attendees list...]

Hi all,=20

We would like to invite you to participate in the upcoming half-day =
workshop on Security Incident Information Sharing (SIIS).  It is =
scheduled on July 26 (Friday), 2013 in Berlin, Germany, the Friday =
before the next IETF meeting.

You might find this workshop interesting if you want to learn about the =
IETF standardization work in that area, or if you want to share your =
experience in that area. Incident information sharing has gotten more =
attention recently as governments develop their ideas on how to increase =
Internet security. For example, Article 14 of the proposed EU =
Cybersecurity Directive contains provisions regarding incident sharing =
and the recently launched "Network and Information Security Platform" =
will have a working group on the same topic as well. Similar =
developments also happen in other parts of the world.=20

Details about the workshop can be found on the following web site: =
http://siis.realmv6.org/

Registration is required (for room planning purposes). There is no =
requirement to submit a position paper and the workshop is free of =
charge.=20

Ciao
Hannes


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the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
shows the coffee, caf=C3=A9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is good
for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
08:00!!!

the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=E2=82=AC while a taxi is 20=E2=82=AC?  if=
 someone
takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.

what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
hotspot.  and voice sims?

randy

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Regarding phones, I would recommend big careers like Vodafone and O2, rathe=
r than =0A=
MVMO cheap ones.=0A=
This is because customer services of these ones are typically German-only a=
t online.=0A=
So in case of some trouble (e.g., it doesn't work), we have no way unless w=
e are German =0A=
speaker.=0A=
=0A=
Both Vodafone and O2 provide good prepaid planes for both calling and data.=
=0A=
(If you are a Blackberry user who requires BIS, I recommend Vodafone)=0A=
=0A=
- Michio=0A=
________________________________________=0A=
From: 87attendees-bounces@ietf.org [87attendees-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf=
 of Randy Bush [randy@psg.com]=0A=
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:24 AM=0A=
To: 87attendees@ietf.org=0A=
Subject: [87attendees] coffee, sims, ...=0A=
=0A=
the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)=0A=
shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is good=0A=
for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until=0A=
08:00!!!=0A=
=0A=
the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=80 while a taxi is 20=80?  if someone=0A=
takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.=0A=
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what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is=0A=
Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area=0A=
for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working=0A=
hotspot.  and voice sims?=0A=
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randy=0A=
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
> shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is good
> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
> 08:00!!!

It's Germany. Good coffee is everywhere. This is not Orlando.=20

> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=80 while a taxi is 20=80?  if someone
> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.

So amazing that I found no mention of it on either the airport's website ([=
1]) or the city's website ([2]). All that those show is the 2.40=80 bus.=20

> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
> hotspot.  and voice sims?
>=20

[1] http://www.berlin-airport.de/en/travellers-txl/to-and-from/buses-and-tr=
ains/local-public-transport/index.php
[2] http://www.berlin.de/en/airports-and-stations/1872399-2932875-airport-b=
erlin-tegel-txl.en.html


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On Sat, 29 Jun 2013, Randy Bush wrote:

> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
> shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is good
> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
> 08:00!!!
>
  A little bit more far away (~20 minutes): Schwarze Cafe. Open 24=20
hours. It's less chic compared to cafe Eisntein but a very nice=20
location. Directions http://goo.gl/maps/Dmwu7


> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=A4 while a taxi is 20=A4?  if someone
> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
>
  Never heard about this shuttle. Take a taxi or public transport.



Cheers
  matthias

--=20
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On 06/29/2013 09:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
> hotspot.  and voice sims?

T-Mobile via Congstar:

- congstar Prepaid Starterpaket
-> 9ct/min voice to every destination in Germany
-> prepaid, 10EUR welcome bonus
-> 9,99EUR setup fee
http://www.congstar.de/prepaid/karte/

+

- congstar Surf Flat Option 3000
-> 19,99EUR for 3GB at 7.2Mbps for 30 days

Vodafone via Fyve:

- FYVE Basis Tarif
-> 9ct/min voice to every destination in Germany
-> prepaid, 11EUR welcome bonus
-> 9,99EUR setup fee

+

- FYVE Surf-Flatrate XL
-> 15EUR for 1GB at 7.2Mbps for 30 days

T-Mobile itself:

- X-tra Data Flat L
-> 1GB at 7.2Mbps for 14.95EUR
https://www.t-mobile.de/T-D1/cds/Shop/td1_cms_tarifdetailPopup/1,12260,3487,00.html

- X-tra Call
-> 9ct/min to destinations in Germany
https://www.t-mobile.de/T-D1/cds/Shop/td1_cms_tarifdetailPopup/1,12260,3387,00.html


Most of the SIM cards are voice+data, but Congstar and T-Mobile seem to
offer seperate SIM cards, so you can 1x data and 1x data+voice for your
smartphone.
And it seems the basic principle here is "pay 9,99EUR, get 10EUR welcome
bonus".

-dominik


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Hi Randy,

This information came directly from the hotel's English-language Web =
site. =20

=
http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hotels/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldetail =
(scroll down to the link for "Transportation)

It is possible they used the word "Shuttle" in the place of "Limo."  =20

If you prefer the german language site for the transportation (I also =
don't see a shuttle listed, but it is set up a bit differently from the =
English language site and I do not speak/read German):

http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrtsarten/Flugzeug

I hope that helps!

Amy


On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
> shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is =
good
> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
> 08:00!!!
>=20
> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=80 while a taxi is 20=80?  if =
someone
> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
>=20
> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
> hotspot.  and voice sims?
>=20
> randy
> _______________________________________________
> 87attendees mailing list
> 87attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees


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Translated for non-German speakers:


=46rom Berlin Tegel Airport (TXL) (where all of the intercontinental =
flights arrive):

via Taxi:

Depending on traffic, the taxi ride of 11km takes between 15 and 30 =
minutes, and costs about 15 to 20 Euro.

via Public Transit:

Ride Bus X9 to Zoologischer Garten (Berlin Bahnhof Zoo), change to bus =
200, direction Michelangelostra=DFe, until the Budapester Stra=DFe stop. =
Use a single Zone AB ticket; this ticket is valid within zones A and B =
for 120 minutes for travel with multiple changes in the direction of a =
single destination. Tickets are available at the BVG counter, from the =
machines near the bus stop at the airport, or from the driver (in this =
case, please have exact change ready!).


(A full-fare zone AB ticket costs 2.40 Euro. The X9 seems to run every =
ten minutes; the 200 is similarly frequent in my (admittedly limited) =
experience.)

Cheers,

Brian


On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com> wrote:

> Hi Randy,
>=20
> This information came directly from the hotel's English-language Web =
site. =20
>=20
> =
http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hotels/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldetail =
(scroll down to the link for "Transportation)
>=20
> It is possible they used the word "Shuttle" in the place of "Limo."  =20=

>=20
> If you prefer the german language site for the transportation (I also =
don't see a shuttle listed, but it is set up a bit differently from the =
English language site and I do not speak/read German):
>=20
> http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrtsarten/Flugzeug
>=20
> I hope that helps!
>=20
> Amy
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>=20
>> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
>> shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is =
good
>> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
>> 08:00!!!
>>=20
>> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=80 while a taxi is 20=80?  if =
someone
>> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
>>=20
>> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
>> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural =
area
>> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own =
working
>> hotspot.  and voice sims?
>>=20
>> randy
>> _______________________________________________
>> 87attendees mailing list
>> 87attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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> 87attendees@ietf.org
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And still no sign of the mysterious 100-Euro shuttle.

On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Brian Trammell <trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote=
:

> Translated for non-German speakers:
>=20
>=20
> From Berlin Tegel Airport (TXL) (where all of the intercontinental flight=
s arrive):
>=20
> via Taxi:
>=20
> Depending on traffic, the taxi ride of 11km takes between 15 and 30 minut=
es, and costs about 15 to 20 Euro.
>=20
> via Public Transit:
>=20
> Ride Bus X9 to Zoologischer Garten (Berlin Bahnhof Zoo), change to bus 20=
0, direction Michelangelostra=DFe, until the Budapester Stra=DFe stop. Use =
a single Zone AB ticket; this ticket is valid within zones A and B for 120 =
minutes for travel with multiple changes in the direction of a single desti=
nation. Tickets are available at the BVG counter, from the machines near th=
e bus stop at the airport, or from the driver (in this case, please have ex=
act change ready!).
>=20
>=20
> (A full-fare zone AB ticket costs 2.40 Euro. The X9 seems to run every te=
n minutes; the 200 is similarly frequent in my (admittedly limited) experie=
nce.)
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Brian
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Randy,
>>=20
>> This information came directly from the hotel's English-language Web sit=
e. =20
>>=20
>> http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hotels/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldetai=
l (scroll down to the link for "Transportation)
>>=20
>> It is possible they used the word "Shuttle" in the place of "Limo."  =20
>>=20
>> If you prefer the german language site for the transportation (I also do=
n't see a shuttle listed, but it is set up a bit differently from the Engli=
sh language site and I do not speak/read German):
>>=20
>> http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrtsarten/Flugzeug
>>=20
>> I hope that helps!
>>=20
>> Amy
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>=20
>>> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
>>> shows the coffee, caf=E9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is goo=
d
>>> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
>>> 08:00!!!
>>>=20
>>> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=80 while a taxi is 20=80?  if someone
>>> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
>>>=20
>>> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
>>> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
>>> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
>>> hotspot.  and voice sims?
>>>=20
>>> randy
>>> _______________________________________________


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JFYI: the main website of Berlin public transportation is =
http://www.fahrinfo-berlin.de/Fahrinfo/bin/query.bin/en?ld=3D0.1&  you =
can search based on your current location.=20
It will also give you the cost of you your trip.=20
Regards,
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Brian Trammell
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:48 PM
> To: Amy Vezza
> Cc: Randy Bush; 87attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [87attendees] coffee, sims, ...
>=20
> Translated for non-German speakers:
>=20
>=20
> From Berlin Tegel Airport (TXL) (where all of the intercontinental =
flights
> arrive):
>=20
> via Taxi:
>=20
> Depending on traffic, the taxi ride of 11km takes between 15 and 30 =
minutes,
> and costs about 15 to 20 Euro.
>=20
> via Public Transit:
>=20
> Ride Bus X9 to Zoologischer Garten (Berlin Bahnhof Zoo), change to bus =
200,
> direction Michelangelostra=C3=9Fe, until the Budapester Stra=C3=9Fe =
stop. Use a single
> Zone AB ticket; this ticket is valid within zones A and B for 120 =
minutes for
> travel with multiple changes in the direction of a single destination. =
Tickets are
> available at the BVG counter, from the machines near the bus stop at =
the
> airport, or from the driver (in this case, please have exact change =
ready!).
>=20
>=20
> (A full-fare zone AB ticket costs 2.40 Euro. The X9 seems to run every =
ten
> minutes; the 200 is similarly frequent in my (admittedly limited) =
experience.)
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Brian
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com> wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > This information came directly from the hotel's English-language Web =
site.
> >
> > =
http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hotels/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldet
> > ail (scroll down to the link for "Transportation)
> >
> > It is possible they used the word "Shuttle" in the place of "Limo."
> >
> > If you prefer the german language site for the transportation (I =
also don't see
> a shuttle listed, but it is set up a bit differently from the English =
language site
> and I do not speak/read German):
> >
> > http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrtsarten/Flugzeug
> >
> > I hope that helps!
> >
> > Amy
> >
> >
> > On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> >
> >> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
> >> shows the coffee, caf=C3=A9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which =
is
> >> good for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open
> >> until 08:00!!!
> >>
> >> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=E2=82=AC while a taxi is =
20=E2=82=AC?  if someone
> >> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
> >>
> >> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far =
is
> >> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural
> >> area for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own
> >> working hotspot.  and voice sims?
> >>
> >> randy
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> 87attendees mailing list
> >> 87attendees@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees
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Hi All,=0A=0A+1=0ABelow is the link, sent by DAAD Scholarship admin to its =
recipients over the world, that how they can find location after landing in=
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=3D0.1&=0A=0AMy friend who used it, found it helpful.=0A=0ARegards,=0AM. Ma=
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ezza' <avezza@amsl.com> =0ACc: 87attendees@ietf.org =0ASent: Sunday, 30 Jun=
e 2013, 2:43=0ASubject: Re: [87attendees] coffee, sims, ...=0A =0A=0AJFYI: =
the main website of Berlin public transportation is http://www.fahrinfo-ber=
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rrent location. =0AIt will also give you the cost of you your trip. =0ARega=
rds,=0AHosnieh=0A=0A=0A=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: 87attendee=
s-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:87attendees-bounces@ietf.org]=0A> On Behalf Of B=
rian Trammell=0A> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:48 PM=0A> To: Amy Vezza=
=0A> Cc: Randy Bush; 87attendees@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [87attendees] co=
ffee, sims, ...=0A> =0A> Translated for non-German speakers:=0A> =0A> =0A> =
>From Berlin Tegel Airport (TXL) (where all of the intercontinental flights=
=0A> arrive):=0A> =0A> via Taxi:=0A> =0A> Depending on traffic, the taxi ri=
de of 11km takes between 15 and 30 minutes,=0A> and costs about 15 to 20 Eu=
ro.=0A> =0A> via Public Transit:=0A> =0A> Ride Bus X9 to Zoologischer Garte=
n (Berlin Bahnhof Zoo), change to bus 200,=0A> direction Michelangelostra=
=C3=9Fe, until the Budapester Stra=C3=9Fe stop. Use a single=0A> Zone AB ti=
cket; this ticket is valid within zones A and B for 120 minutes for=0A> tra=
vel with multiple changes in the direction of a single destination. Tickets=
 are=0A> available at the BVG counter, from the machines near the bus stop =
at the=0A> airport, or from the driver (in this case, please have exact cha=
nge ready!).=0A> =0A> =0A> (A full-fare zone AB ticket costs 2.40 Euro. The=
 X9 seems to run every ten=0A> minutes; the 200 is similarly frequent in my=
 (admittedly limited) experience.)=0A> =0A> Cheers,=0A> =0A> Brian=0A> =0A>=
 =0A> On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com> wrote:=0A> =
=0A> > Hi Randy,=0A> >=0A> > This information came directly from the hotel'=
s English-language Web site.=0A> >=0A> > http://www.ihg.com/intercontinenta=
l/hotels/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldet=0A> > ail (scroll down to the link for=
 "Transportation)=0A> >=0A> > It is possible they used the word "Shuttle" i=
n the place of "Limo."=0A> >=0A> > If you prefer the german language site f=
or the transportation (I also don't see=0A> a shuttle listed, but it is set=
 up a bit differently from the English language site=0A> and I do not speak=
/read German):=0A> >=0A> > http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrt=
sarten/Flugzeug=0A> >=0A> > I hope that helps!=0A> >=0A> > Amy=0A> >=0A> >=
=0A> > On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:=0A> >=0A> >> the wiki=
 (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)=0A> >> shows th=
e coffee, caf=C3=A9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is=0A> >> good =
for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.=C2=A0 but it does not open=0A> >> =
until 08:00!!!=0A> >>=0A> >> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=E2=82=AC whi=
le a taxi is 20=E2=82=AC?=C2=A0 if someone=0A> >> takes the shuttle bus, pl=
ease take pictures.=C2=A0 it must be amazing.=0A> >>=0A> >> what's the stor=
y on local data sims?=C2=A0 the best i have found so far is=0A> >> Surf Fla=
t Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural=0A> >> area for t=
he week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own=0A> >> working ho=
tspot.=C2=A0 and voice sims?=0A> >>=0A> >> randy=0A> >> ___________________=
____________________________=0A> >> 87attendees mailing list=0A> >> 87atten=
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rg</a> [mailto:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:87attendees-bounces@ietf.org" href=3D"m=
ailto:87attendees-bounces@ietf.org">87attendees-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<br>&g=
t; On Behalf Of Brian Trammell<br>&gt; Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:48 P=
M<br>&gt; To: Amy Vezza<br>&gt; Cc: Randy Bush; <a ymailto=3D"mailto:87atte=
ndees@ietf.org" href=3D"mailto:87attendees@ietf.org">87attendees@ietf.org</=
a><br>&gt; Subject: Re: [87attendees] coffee, sims, ...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Tr=
anslated for non-German speakers:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; From Berlin Teg=
el Airport (TXL) (where all of the intercontinental flights<br>&gt; arrive)=
:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; via Taxi:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Depending on traffic, the tax=
i ride of 11km takes between 15 and 30 minutes,<br>&gt; and costs about 15 =
to 20 Euro.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; via Public Transit:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Ride Bus =
X9 to
 Zoologischer Garten (Berlin Bahnhof Zoo), change to bus 200,<br>&gt; direc=
tion Michelangelostra=C3=9Fe, until the Budapester Stra=C3=9Fe stop. Use a =
single<br>&gt; Zone AB ticket; this ticket is valid within zones A and B fo=
r 120 minutes for<br>&gt; travel with multiple changes in the direction of =
a single destination. Tickets are<br>&gt; available at the BVG counter, fro=
m the machines near the bus stop at the<br>&gt; airport, or from the driver=
 (in this case, please have exact change ready!).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
 (A full-fare zone AB ticket costs 2.40 Euro. The X9 seems to run every ten=
<br>&gt; minutes; the 200 is similarly frequent in my (admittedly limited) =
experience.)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Brian<br>&gt; <br>&g=
t; <br>&gt; On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Amy Vezza &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto=
:avezza@amsl.com" href=3D"mailto:avezza@amsl.com">avezza@amsl.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Hi Randy,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; This inform=
ation
 came directly from the hotel's English-language Web site.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>=
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hotels/gb/en/berli=
n/berha/hoteldet" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ihg.com/intercontinental/hot=
els/gb/en/berlin/berha/hoteldet</a><br>&gt; &gt; ail (scroll down to the li=
nk for "Transportation)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; It is possible they used =
the word "Shuttle" in the place of "Limo."<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; If you=
 prefer the german language site for the transportation (I also don't see<b=
r>&gt; a shuttle listed, but it is set up a bit differently from the Englis=
h language site<br>&gt; and I do not speak/read German):<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&g=
t; &gt; <a href=3D"http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrtsarten/F=
lugzeug" target=3D"_blank">http://berlin.intercontinental.com/hotel/anfahrt=
sarten/Flugzeug</a><br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I hope that helps!<br>&gt; &g=
t;<br>&gt; &gt; Amy<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Jun 29, 2013,
 at 3:24 AM, Randy Bush wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; the wiki (<a h=
ref=3D"http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87</a>)<br>&g=
t; &gt;&gt; shows the coffee, caf=C3=A9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, w=
hich is<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; good for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.&nbsp=
; but it does not open<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; until 08:00!!!<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt; the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=E2=82=AC while a taxi is 20=
=E2=82=AC?&nbsp; if someone<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; takes the shuttle bus, please =
take pictures.&nbsp; it must be amazing.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
what's the story on local data sims?&nbsp; the best i have found so far is<=
br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Surf Flat Rate XL from <a href=3D"http://www.fyve.de/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.fyve.de/. </a> i will be in a rural<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; area for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;
 working hotspot.&nbsp; and voice sims?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; r=
andy<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&g=
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Seconded on that.
I have tried to get some cheap sim before but failed to manage it to start o=
perating and failed equally to handle withGerman-only speaking IVR system as=
 the only source of support available=20

dol@=20
@mobile - iPhone


29.06.2013, =D0=B2 11:57, Michio Honda <Michio.Honda@neclab.eu> =D0=BD=D0=B0=
=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0):

> Regarding phones, I would recommend big careers like Vodafone and O2, rath=
er than=20
> MVMO cheap ones.
> This is because customer services of these ones are typically German-only a=
t online.
> So in case of some trouble (e.g., it doesn't work), we have no way unless w=
e are German=20
> speaker.
>=20
> Both Vodafone and O2 provide good prepaid planes for both calling and data=
.
> (If you are a Blackberry user who requires BIS, I recommend Vodafone)
>=20
> - Michio
> ________________________________________
> From: 87attendees-bounces@ietf.org [87attendees-bounces@ietf.org] on behal=
f of Randy Bush [randy@psg.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:24 AM
> To: 87attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: [87attendees] coffee, sims, ...
>=20
> the wiki (http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf87)
> shows the coffee, caf=C3=A9 einstein, to be a 15 minute walk, which is goo=
d
> for me and worth it for a micro-roaster.  but it does not open until
> 08:00!!!
>=20
> the shuttle bus from tegel is 100=E2=82=AC while a taxi is 20=E2=82=AC?  i=
f someone
> takes the shuttle bus, please take pictures.  it must be amazing.
>=20
> what's the story on local data sims?  the best i have found so far is
> Surf Flat Rate XL from http://www.fyve.de/.  i will be in a rural area
> for the week after the meeting, and suspect i will need my own working
> hotspot.  and voice sims?
>=20
> randy
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