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Dear all,

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Please come to talk to us on any WG or area items, about new proposals, 
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An advanced notification would be appreciated.

Regards, Joel and Benoit


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We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 90:

How have Internet security and privacy landscapes changed since the
Internet=B9s inception? What challenges do we still need to address, and
will we still be using the same building blocks (TLS, DNSSEC, etc.) ten
years from now? If not, what=B9s next? These are the types of questions
we=B9ll be asking our panelists at the IETF 90 Internet Society Briefing
Panel on Tuesday, 22 July 2014, called "Internet Security and Privacy: Ten
Years Later."

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Session Abstract:

INTERNET SECURITY AND PRIVACY: TEN YEARS LATER
Many fundamental Internet protocols and architectural elements were
designed for relatively closed and controlled networks and later used in a
fairly trusted environment. Then came explosive Internet growth that
changed its very nature - the Internet became a global, open communication
medium to which anyone could connect and contribute.

At the same time, the Internet model was also changing. Concentration and
centralization of certain functions at various Internet architecture
layers created new types of vulnerabilities and, consequently, facilitated
new threats such as pervasive monitoring. These vulnerabilities manifest
themselves in different ways - for instance, in lack of diversity in
implementations of critical security protocols, like TLS.

The number and nature of connected devices is also changing dramatically -
sensors, controllers, appliances, etc., all communicating without human
intervention.

The Internet continues to change and this evolution will continue. How
will security and privacy challenges be addressed ten years from now? What
are the missing building blocks that need to be developed? Will current
approaches allow us to catch up or is a change of paradigm required?

----------

How to Participate

Pre-registration is required for onsite participation and begins on
Wednesday, 9 July 2014.  Due to high demand for limited seating,
registration will be open in two time blocks to account for the broad
range of home timezones of IETF participants.  Registration opens in two
phases for global fairness: 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC on 9-July-2014.

Look for the registration form link at the webpage below:
http://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-90

We also plan to have a live webcast of the event (no registration
required).

Information on the ISOC@IETF 90 Panel, webcast details, and an archive of
past ISOC@IETF Briefing Panels is available on our website.
http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/internet-technology-matters/open-
internet-standards/briefing-panels

We hope you can join us!

----------
Nicole Armstrong, CMP, CMM
Internet Society
Armstrong@isoc.org



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(I sent this earlier but it seems to have been held by the mailing list.)

I have an extra hotel reservation if anyone wants it.  Let me know 
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Hi,

What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver =
and Quebec summer meetings?

Thanks,
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> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver and
> Quebec summer meetings?

Probably wet:
http://beerfestival.ca/

;-)
Alex


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On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:28, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver =
and Quebec summer meetings?

according to weather.com, yes

>=20
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On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:20, Klaas Wierenga <klaas@wierenga.net> wrote:

> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:28, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver =
and Quebec summer meetings?
>=20
> according to weather.com, yes

I'm fishing for local comments...

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I arrived on Friday morning and it's be beautiful, save for an overnight 
thunderstorm yesterday. Hot and clear for the most part.

C
On 7/14/14, 7:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote:
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>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:28, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver and Quebec summer meetings?
>> according to weather.com, yes
> I'm fishing for local comments...
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    I arrived on Friday morning and it's be beautiful, save for an
    overnight thunderstorm yesterday. Hot and clear for the most part.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/14, 7:22 AM, Tim Chown wrote:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:20, Klaas Wierenga <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:klaas@wierenga.net">&lt;klaas@wierenga.net&gt;</a> wrote:

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        <pre wrap="">On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:28, Tim Chown <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk">&lt;tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk&gt;</a> wrote:

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What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver and Quebec summer meetings?
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according to weather.com, yes
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I'm fishing for local comments...

Tim
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>>> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the
>>> Vancouver and Quebec summer meetings?
>> according to weather.com, yes
> I'm fishing for local comments...

have you eaten fish from that lake?


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More like Qu=C3=A9bec, but possibly muggier.  Weather network suggests mid-h=
igh 20s and lots of potential for t-storms.  Tranna is often muggy in July.=20=


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Andrew Sullivan=20
Please excuse my clumbsy thums.=20

> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:22, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
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>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:20, Klaas Wierenga <klaas@wierenga.net> wrote:
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Tim Chown wrote:
> I'm fishing for local comments...

  Toronto is likely to be (a) hot and oppressively humid, or (b) cool
and rainy

  The weather has been largely cool and rainy the last few weeks.
Pleasant enough, and familiar to people from Vancouver or the UK. :)

  Alan DeKok.


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On 14/07/14 14:10, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

> More like Qu=C3=A9bec, but possibly muggier.  Weather network suggests =
mid-high 20s=20

Just to be sure; that must be degrees Celcius right? That is, I assume,
the standard for IETF mailinglists?

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Le 2014-07-14 06:28, Tim Chown a écrit :
> What weather are we likely to see next week? Similar to the Vancouver and Quebec summer meetings?

Much more hot and humid than Québec on average. Downtown Toronto + July 
= sweat. But air conditioning is as in the US, not as in Germany. So I 
plan on catching a cold.

IMHO the most accurate weather forecast is by Environment Canada:

English: http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_e.html
French: http://meteo.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_f.html

There are historical stats at the bottom of the page...

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Marco Davids (SIDN) <marco.davids@sidn.nl>
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> On 14/07/14 14:10, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
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> > More like Qu=C3=A9bec, but possibly muggier.  Weather network suggests
> mid-high 20s
>
> Just to be sure; that must be degrees Celcius right? That is, I assume,
> the standard for IETF mailinglists?
>
>
Can't say it's the standard for IETF mailing list, but it is standard for
Canada.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Marco Davids (SIDN) <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marco.davids@sidn.nl" target=3D"_blank">marco.dav=
ids@sidn.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 14/07/14 14:10, Andrew Su=
llivan wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; More like Qu=C3=A9bec, but possibly muggier. =C2=A0Weather network sug=
gests mid-high 20s<br>
<br>
</div>Just to be sure; that must be degrees Celcius right? That is, I assum=
e,<br>
the standard for IETF mailinglists?<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>Can&#39;t say it&#39;s the standard for IETF mailing=
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Hello,


a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from=20
the airport?

I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.

/Ludwig

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Le 2014-07-14 09:09, Ida Leung a Ã©crit :
> It is a cooler and rainy summer in Toronto this year compare with the usual summer we have.

Well then the law of averages says it will be suffocating during the 
IETF week! ;)

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Le 2014-07-14 09:18, Ludwig Seitz a écrit :
> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from
> the airport?

There are very good instructions on the wiki:

https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90#airport_transportation

Simon


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I assume you mean from Pearson International airport to downtown. It's =
not just the cost, it's the time, due to all the road construction going =
on. Much better to go to Billy Bishop airport on Toronto Island if you =
can.

...Paul

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>a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from
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>I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
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The problem is local's don't often do the airport to downtown route, but 
here's a link on tripadvisor that summarizes your choices ... 
http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Travel-g155019-c116016/Toronto:Ontario:Getting.Downtown.From.Pearson.Airport.html

Brian

On 14/07/2014 9:18 AM, Ludwig Seitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown 
> from the airport?
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> I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
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> /Ludwig
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On 07/14/2014 09:09 AM, Ida Leung wrote:
> It is a cooler and rainy summer in Toronto this year compare with the
> usual summer we have.

Speaking from the south side of the Great Lakes (dunno if 200mi/300km
from Toronto counts as "local"), we've indeed been getting a series of
thunderstorms going through this past month. They don't last long and
temperatures tend to fluctuate as they pass over on their way to Ontario...

Pack stuff that will keep the rain off comfortably in the heat.

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:37 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> If you have more luggage than that, the airport express bus is $28 one
> way or $42 round trip and stops in front of the hotel.  It runs once
> an hour on weekends, every 40 minutes during the week.

According to the hotel, due to street construction, the express bus now =
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The bus + subway alternative does not look too bad, although if you have
lots of bags it could be a bit cumbersome. Around $10 in total if I
understand it correctly. Then there is the express bus, around $24. Not
exactly cheap for a bus, but cheaper (and hopefully faster) than taxi.

Flying into YTZ is not an option for most of us, although it's obviously
the best thing to do if you can.

-Carlos

On 14/07/2014 10:24, Paul Coverdale wrote:
> I assume you mean from Pearson International airport to downtown. It's not just the cost, it's the time, due to all the road construction going on. Much better to go to Billy Bishop airport on Toronto Island if you can.
>
> ...Paul
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Ludwig Seitz
>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 9:19 AM
>> To: 90attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: [90attendees] Hints on best airport transfer someone?
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from
>> the airport?
>>
>> I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
>>
>> /Ludwig
>>
>> --
>> Ludwig Seitz, PhD
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>> Building Beta 2
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On 14 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> The bus + subway alternative does not look too bad,

Looking at tripadvisor etc.: indeed.

> although if you have
> lots of bags it could be a bit cumbersome. Around $10 in total if I
> understand it correctly.=20

It seems to me it=92s more like CAD 2.75 (buy a token inside before =
entering the bus; get a transfer when entering the bus).  No?

For those people stranded at the Strathcona, St. Andrews station seems =
closer (and seems to have an elevator).

All this from information on the web.

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The most economical (and in my opinion convenient) way to travel from YYZ
to the IETF venue is by taking the TTC 192 Bus Service which travels to
Kipling subway station:

https://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Airport_service.jsp


This will cost you $3 cash fare and takes about 60-75 minutes depending
upon traffic. To get to Union Station transfer at St. George or Yonge
Station and take any southbound train.

I am Scottish and always travel this way when travelling in and out of YYZ.

Looking forward to the conference.

Russell

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On 2014-07-14, 10:15 AM, "Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:

>On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:37 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have more luggage than that, the airport express bus is $28 one
>> way or $42 round trip and stops in front of the hotel.  It runs once
>> an hour on weekends, every 40 minutes during the week.
>
>According to the hotel, due to street construction, the express bus now
>drops people off about three blocks from the hotel for the coming months.
>So, if you have a lot of luggage, keep that in mind.
>
>--Paul Hoffman
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I should clarify that the 60-75 minutes is for the entire trip (YYZ ->
Union Station). The first leg to Kipling station is about 15 minutes.

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On 2014-07-14, 11:02 AM, "Russell Sutherland"
<russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca> wrote:

>The most economical (and in my opinion convenient) way to travel from YYZ
>to the IETF venue is by taking the TTC 192 Bus Service which travels to
>Kipling subway station:
>
>https://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Airport_service.jsp
>
>
>This will cost you $3 cash fare and takes about 60-75 minutes depending
>upon traffic. To get to Union Station transfer at St. George or Yonge
>Station and take any southbound train.
>
>I am Scottish and always travel this way when travelling in and out of
>YYZ.
>
>Looking forward to the conference.
>
>Russell
>
>--=20
>Russell Sutherland  I+TS
>email:    russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca
>office:   +1.416.978.0470
>mobile: +1.416.803.0080
>
>
>
>
>On 2014-07-14, 10:15 AM, "Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:37 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have more luggage than that, the airport express bus is $28 one
>>> way or $42 round trip and stops in front of the hotel.  It runs once
>>> an hour on weekends, every 40 minutes during the week.
>>
>>According to the hotel, due to street construction, the express bus now
>>drops people off about three blocks from the hotel for the coming months.
>>So, if you have a lot of luggage, keep that in mind.
>>
>>--Paul Hoffman
>>_______________________________________________
>>90attendees mailing list
>>90attendees@ietf.org
>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees
>
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I'm driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area.  Are there any
recommendations for where to park a car which will mostly not be driven for
a week? The Fairmont's valet parking is $48/day, so I'm not parking there.
 There is a garage about 2 blocks away which appears to be about $20/day,
which is what I'd pay to park at Detroit Metro.

Options I'm considering are:
1) Park near hotel
2) Park near a subway stop, although I'm not sure where I could park for
multiple days near a subway.
3) Park at off-airport parking near airport ($40/week), then get from
airport to downtown.

Thanks,

Bill Cerveny

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area. =
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<br></div><div>Options I&#39;m considering are:</div><div>1) Park near hote=
l</div><div>2) Park near a subway stop, although I&#39;m not sure where I c=
ould park for multiple days near a subway.</div><div>3) Park at off-airport=
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<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Cerveny</div></di=
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I'll be checking into the Fairmont in about an hour. I'll check around and
let you know.

C

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On Jul 14, 2014 11:20 AM, "Cerveny, Bill" <wcerveny@arbor.net> wrote:

> I'm driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area.  Are there any
> recommendations for where to park a car which will mostly not be driven for
> a week? The Fairmont's valet parking is $48/day, so I'm not parking there.
>  There is a garage about 2 blocks away which appears to be about $20/day,
> which is what I'd pay to park at Detroit Metro.
>
> Options I'm considering are:
> 1) Park near hotel
> 2) Park near a subway stop, although I'm not sure where I could park for
> multiple days near a subway.
> 3) Park at off-airport parking near airport ($40/week), then get from
> airport to downtown.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Cerveny
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll be checking into the Fairmont in about an hour. I&#=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">C</p>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Colin Doyle<br>
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7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215<br>
Portland, OR 97225</p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area. =
=C2=A0Are there any recommendations for where to park a car which will most=
ly not be driven for a week? The Fairmont&#39;s valet parking is $48/day, s=
o I&#39;m not parking there. =C2=A0There is a garage about 2 blocks away wh=
ich appears to be about $20/day, which is what I&#39;d pay to park at Detro=
it Metro.<div>

<br></div><div>Options I&#39;m considering are:</div><div>1) Park near hote=
l</div><div>2) Park near a subway stop, although I&#39;m not sure where I c=
ould park for multiple days near a subway.</div><div>3) Park at off-airport=
 parking near airport ($40/week), then get from airport to downtown.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Cerveny</div></di=
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I have an extra hotel reservation if anyone wants it.  Let me know 
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Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the bus+train =
option, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle =
workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and so the =
shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working end of =
the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport to my =
stop downtown.

This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the =
shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.

And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the =
expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is =
on the expressway.

--Sandy



On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland =
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>> Kipling station
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And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see what 
that means for my train ride in and out.

On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
> Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the bus+train option, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and so the shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working end of the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport to my stop downtown.
>
> This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.
>
> And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is on the expressway.
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>>> Kipling station
>> Oh.
>>
>> https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp
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    And ViaRail had a warning about construction.&nbsp; I will have to see
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This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.

And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is on the expressway.

--Sandy



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Oh.

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp">https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp</a>

(I&#8217;m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)

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There are Airport <-> downtown hotels direct bus running every 15 minutes. =
Cost something  around $20.

Linda

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And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see what that=
 means for my train ride in and out.
On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:

Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the bus+train opti=
on, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle workaround.  Th=
e closed section of subway was several stops and so the shuttle had several=
 stops to make before it reached the working end of the subway.  It took mo=
re than two hours to get from the airport to my stop downtown.



This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the shuttle =
should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.



And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the ex=
pressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is on t=
he expressway.



--Sandy







On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org><mailto:cabo@tz=
i.org> wrote:



On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland <russell.sutherland@utoronto.c=
a><mailto:russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca> wrote:



Kipling station



Oh.



https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Is=
lington.jsp



(I'm arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage schlepping =
if you arrive on the weekend.)



Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten



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t; downtown hotels direct bus running every 15 minutes. Cost something&nbsp=
; around $20.
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Linda<o:p></o:p></span></=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:windowtext"> 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Moskowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 14, 2014 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sandra Murphy; Carsten Bormann<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Sutherland; 90attendees@ietf.org; IETF discussion list<b=
r>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [90attendees] Hints on best airport transfer someone?<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">And ViaRail had a war=
ning about construction.&nbsp; I will have to see what that means for my tr=
ain ride in and out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p>
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<pre>Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto. &nbsp;I tried the bus&=
#43;train option, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle w=
orkaround.&nbsp; The closed section of subway was several stops and so the =
shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working end of the =
subway.&nbsp; It took more than two hours to get from the airport to my sto=
p downtown.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the shu=
ttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.&nbsp; But still.<o:p></o:p></pre=
>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on t=
he expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is=
 on the expressway.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>--Sandy<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <a href=3D"mailto:cabo@t=
zi.org">&lt;cabo@tzi.org&gt;</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre>On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland <a href=3D"mailto:russell=
.sutherland@utoronto.ca">&lt;russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca&gt;</a> wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre>Kipling station<o:p></o:p></pre>
</blockquote>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Oh.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><a href=3D"https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line=
_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp">https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_di=
versions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>(I&#8217;m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage =
schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>90attendees mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org">90attendees@ietf.org</a><o:p><=
/o:p></pre>
<pre><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees">https://=
www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
</blockquote>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>90attendees mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org">90attendees@ietf.org</a><o:p><=
/o:p></pre>
<pre><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees">https://=
www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <br>
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Robert=
 Moskowitz<br>
Senior Technical Advisor<br>
Security &amp; Standards<br>
Verizon Business Systems</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">C:</sp=
an>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">248-928-6233<br>
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ot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">248-968-2824<br>
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ot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"mailto:robert.moskowitz@v=
erizon.com">robert.moskowitz@verizon.com</a><br>
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The meeting wiki =
(https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90) points to an =
Airport Express service =
(http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/schedule.php) that runs to several =
downtown hotel locations and costs $28 (Canadian, I presume) one way.

But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every 60 =
minutes on weekends.

Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?

--Sandy

P.S.  (I should point out that the bus+train option I tried was from the =
airport to a downtown hotel pretty near the Royal York.)

On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> =
wrote:

> There are Airport <-> downtown hotels direct bus running every 15 =
minutes. Cost something  around $20.
> =20
> Linda
> =20
> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Robert Moskowitz
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 3:03 PM
> To: Sandra Murphy; Carsten Bormann
> Cc: Russell Sutherland; 90attendees@ietf.org; IETF discussion list
> Subject: Re: [90attendees] Hints on best airport transfer someone?
> =20
> And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see what =
that means for my train ride in and out.
>=20
> On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
> Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the bus+train =
option, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle =
workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and so the =
shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working end of =
the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport to my =
stop downtown.
> =20
> This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the =
shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.
> =20
> And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on =
the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the =
bus is on the expressway.
> =20
> --Sandy
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> =20
> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland =
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> =20
> Kipling station
> =20
> Oh.
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> =
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slington.jsp
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> (I=92m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage =
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> =20
> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten
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Toronto Airport Express goes to and from the hotel


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ludwig Seitz <ludwig@sics.se> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from
> the airport?
>
> I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Toronto Airport Express goes to and from the hotel</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 14,=
 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ludwig Seitz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ludw=
ig@sics.se" target=3D"_blank">ludwig@sics.se</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
<br>
a question to the locals here: What&#39;s the best way to get downtown from=
 the airport?<br>
<br>
I&#39;d like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font co=
lor=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
/Ludwig<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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SICS Swedish ICT AB<br>
Ideon Science Park<br>
Building Beta 2<br>
Scheelev=C3=A4gen 17<br>
SE-223 70 Lund<br>
<br>
Phone <a href=3D"tel:%2B46%280%2970-349%2092%2051" value=3D"+46703499251" t=
arget=3D"_blank">+46(0)70-349 92 51</a><br>
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On Jul 14, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wrote:

> The meeting wiki =
(https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90) points to an =
Airport Express service =
(http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/schedule.php) that runs to several =
downtown hotel locations and costs $28 (Canadian, I presume) one way.
>=20
> But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every =
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> Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?

I called the hotel, and the $28 service was the only one they mentioned.

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The whole street seems blocked in front of the station (thanks Google =
Streets), but there=92s a PATH tunnel between the station and the RBC =
building on the other side, where the Fairmount York is ( =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(Toronto) ).

More info:=20
=
http://www.viarail.ca/en/explore-our-destinations/stations/ontario/toronto=


Information on construction around Union Station
Due to ongoing construction and limited lanes between Bay St. and York =
St., access to Front St. facing Union Station is limited.

Travellers requiring entry, pick-up or drop-off at Union Station may do =
so at the southwest corner of York St. and Front. St. coming from the =
west only. Front St. is now open to through traffic westbound only. =
Travellers may also use the South Union Plaza entrances on Bremner Blvd. =
facing the Air Canada Centre. Taxis also remain available at the corner =
of Front St. and York St.

Motorists requiring access to Union Station may also enter on Bremner =
Blvd. (in front of Air Canada Centre) accessed either from Lakeshore Rd. =
at Bay St. (southeast corner) or from York St. above Lakeshore Rd. =
Underground paid parking is available on Bremner Blvd. Pedestrian access =
to the back of Union Station on Bremner Blvd. allows direct entry into =
the train departures concourse.

/JF


On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> =
wrote:

> And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see what =
that means for my train ride in and out.
>=20
> On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>> Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the =
bus+train option, and ran into a similar construction closure and =
shuttle workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and =
so the shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working =
end of the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport =
to my stop downtown.
>>=20
>> This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the =
shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.
>>=20
>> And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on =
the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the =
bus is on the expressway.
>>=20
>> --Sandy
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland =
<russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Kipling station
>>> Oh.
>>>=20
>>> =
https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_I=
slington.jsp
>>>=20
>>> (I=92m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage =
schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)
>>>=20
>>> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>=20
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>=20
> --=20
> Robert Moskowitz
> Senior Technical Advisor
> Security & Standards
> Verizon Business Systems
> C:      248-928-6233
> F:      248-968-2824
> E:      robert.moskowitz@verizon.com
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> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who =
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charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div>The whole street seems blocked in front of the =
station (thanks Google Streets), but there=92s a PATH tunnel between the =
station and the RBC building on the other side, where the Fairmount York =
is ( <a =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(Toronto)">http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/PATH_(Toronto)</a> ).</div><div><br></div><div>More =
info:&nbsp;</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.viarail.ca/en/explore-our-destinations/stations/ontario=
/toronto">http://www.viarail.ca/en/explore-our-destinations/stations/ontar=
io/toronto</a></div><div><br></div><div><p style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; =
padding: 5px; border: 0px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, =
255); line-height: 1.5em; color: rgb(148, 28, 30); position: static; =
z-index: auto;"><strong>Information on construction around Union =
Station</strong><br>Due to ongoing construction and limited lanes =
between Bay St. and York St., access to Front St. facing Union Station =
is limited.<br><br>Travellers requiring entry, pick-up or drop-off at =
Union Station may do so at the southwest corner of York St. and Front. =
St. coming from the west only. <b>Front St. is now open to through =
traffic westbound only</b>. <b>Travellers may also use the South Union =
Plaza entrances on Bremner Blvd. facing the Air Canada Centre. Taxis =
also remain available at the corner of Front St. and York St.</b></p><p =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; padding: 5px; border: 0px; font-family: =
Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; background-image: none; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: 1.5em; color: =
rgb(148, 28, 30); position: static; z-index: auto;"><span =
style=3D"line-height: 1.5em;">Motorists requiring access to Union =
Station may also enter on Bremner Blvd. (in front of Air Canada Centre) =
accessed either from Lakeshore Rd. at Bay St. (southeast corner) or from =
York St. above Lakeshore Rd. Underground paid parking is available on =
Bremner Blvd. Pedestrian access to the back of Union Station on Bremner =
Blvd. allows direct entry into the train departures =
concourse.</span><br></p></div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: =
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div>/JF</div></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br><div><div>On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com">rgm@labs.htt-consult.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">
 =20
    <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type">
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    And ViaRail had a warning about construction.&nbsp; I will have to =
see
    what that means for my train ride in and out.<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:90BCAB7A-F16B-4A3B-9925-7E658C11E2FD@tislabs.com" =
type=3D"cite">
      <pre wrap=3D"">Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I =
tried the bus+train option, and ran into a similar construction closure =
and shuttle workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops =
and so the shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the =
working end of the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the =
airport to my stop downtown.

This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the =
shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.

And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the =
expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is =
on the expressway.

--Sandy



On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann <a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:cabo@tzi.org">&lt;cabo@tzi.org&gt;</a> wrote:

</pre>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <pre wrap=3D"">On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland <a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca">&lt;russell.sutherland@utor=
onto.ca&gt;</a> wrote:

</pre>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <pre wrap=3D"">Kipling station
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap=3D"">Oh.

<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipl=
ing_to_Islington.jsp">https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversio=
ns/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp</a>

(I=92m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage =
schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten

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Greetings.

I just joined this list and live in Toronto. AMA.

A few additions to the IETF website:

The Airport Express bus is $27(cdn), runs every 40 minutes, and stops
across the street from the venue. Travel time is highly time-of-day
dependent, can be as little as 40 minutes but midday weekdays often 60 or
more.

The TTC local transit may be a good option. Two relevant lines service both
terminals. The 192 "rocket" goes to Kipling Subway, using routes that are
not as badly impacted as the downtown and it runs every 8-9 minutes from
5am to 2am. You'll need to switch subway lines at St George station. Total
time, between 60 and 70 minutes, which in midday is about the same as the
Airport Express. (Between 2 and 5 there is still service to the airport
every 10 minutes, route 300 that also replaces the green line subway)

You do not need a transfer to go from bus to subway at either Kipling or
Lawrence West stations.

Billy Bishop airport (YTZ) is much closer to downtown, and there's a free
shuttle service from the airport to the venue hotel. But service is
propeller only, and thus only from the Canadian and US northeast. Porter
Airlines <https://www.flyporter.com>, which serves this airport, doesn't
show up on many travel search sites and its not part of any airline
alliance. But its service is apparently good and everyone has access to the
business lounge.

If going on the cheap, Megabus has direct and moderately comfortable
service from Montreal, New York, Washington, and Philly.


Evan Leibovitch
President
Internet Society, Canada Chapter

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p dir=3D"ltr">Greetings. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I just joined this list and live in Toronto. AMA. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">A few additions to the IETF website:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The Airport Express bus is $27(cdn), runs every 40 minutes, =
and stops across the street from the venue. Travel time is highly time-of-d=
ay dependent, can be as little as 40 minutes but midday weekdays often 60 o=
r more.</p>



<p dir=3D"ltr">The TTC local transit may be a good option. Two relevant lin=
es service both terminals. The 192 &quot;rocket&quot; goes to Kipling Subwa=
y, using routes that are not as badly impacted as the downtown and it runs =
every 8-9 minutes from 5am to 2am. You&#39;ll need to switch subway lines a=
t St George station. Total time, between 60 and 70 minutes, which in midday=
 is about the same as the Airport Express. (Between 2 and 5 there is still =
service to the airport every 10 minutes, route 300 that also replaces the g=
reen line subway)</p>



<p dir=3D"ltr">You do not need a transfer to go from bus to subway at eithe=
r Kipling or Lawrence West stations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Billy Bishop airport (YTZ) is much closer to downtown, and t=
here&#39;s a free shuttle service from the airport to the venue hotel. But =
service is propeller only, and thus only from the Canadian and US northeast=
. <a href=3D"https://www.flyporter.com">Porter Airlines</a>, which serves t=
his airport, doesn&#39;t show up on many travel search sites and its not pa=
rt of any airline alliance. But its service is apparently good and everyone=
 has access to the business lounge.</p>



<p dir=3D"ltr">If going on the cheap, Megabus has direct and moderately com=
fortable service from Montreal, New York, Washington, and Philly.</p><p dir=
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On 7/14/14 10:47 AM, Allan MacGillivray wrote:
> It is worth pointing out that Toronto actually has two airports, the major international one, called Pearson (YYZ) as well as a second smaller one, Toronto Island (Billy Bishop - YTZ) that is very close to downtown and which is only served by turboprops.  It has a free shuttle service direct to the Royal York hotel, the conference venue (see . http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/Getting-To.aspx )  Air Canada has a single service, from Montreal, while Porter Airlines flies from Chicago (Midway), Washington (Dulles), New York (Newark) as well as Ottawa and Montreal.

Also Boston.

> If you land there you get to take one of the world's shortest ferry ride - 121 metres!

IIUC, you take this ferry from the island to the mainland. And then 
there is a free shuttle that goes to our conference hotel.

Doesn't get much better than that.

	Thanks,
	Paul

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> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson
> Sent: July-14-14 10:32 AM
> To: Carlos M. Martinez; Paul Coverdale; 'Ludwig Seitz'; 90attendees@ietf.org
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> I recommend the TTC bus & subway.
>
> I live about 1.5h west of Toronto, and when going down-town I typically drive to the west-most subway stop (Kipling) and take the subway downtown. Trains come every few minutes.
>
> The subway system is simple (compared to London): http://www.ttc.ca/Subway/interactivemap.jsp
> The Royal York is near Union station.
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> The bus + subway alternative does not look too bad, although if you have lots of bags it could be a bit cumbersome. Around $10 in total if I understand it correctly. Then there is the express bus, around $24. Not exactly cheap for a bus, but cheaper (and hopefully faster) than taxi.
>
> Flying into YTZ is not an option for most of us, although it's obviously the best thing to do if you can.
>
> -Carlos
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> On 14/07/2014 10:24, Paul Coverdale wrote:
>> I assume you mean from Pearson International airport to downtown. It's not just the cost, it's the time, due to all the road construction going on. Much better to go to Billy Bishop airport on Toronto Island if you can.
>>
>> ...Paul
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>>> Hello,
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>>> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown
>>> from the airport?
>>>
>>> I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
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Does anyone know if/how this has affected the shuttle from the city airport?

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 7/14/14 4:52 PM, JF Tremblay wrote:
> The whole street seems blocked in front of the station (thanks Google
> Streets), but there’s a PATH tunnel between the station and the RBC
> building on the other side, where the Fairmount York is (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(Toronto) ).
>
> More info:
> http://www.viarail.ca/en/explore-our-destinations/stations/ontario/toronto
>
> *Information on construction around Union Station*
> Due to ongoing construction and limited lanes between Bay St. and York
> St., access to Front St. facing Union Station is limited.
>
> Travellers requiring entry, pick-up or drop-off at Union Station may do
> so at the southwest corner of York St. and Front. St. coming from the
> west only. *Front St. is now open to through traffic westbound only*.
> *Travellers may also use the South Union Plaza entrances on Bremner
> Blvd. facing the Air Canada Centre. Taxis also remain available at the
> corner of Front St. and York St.*
>
> Motorists requiring access to Union Station may also enter on Bremner
> Blvd. (in front of Air Canada Centre) accessed either from Lakeshore Rd.
> at Bay St. (southeast corner) or from York St. above Lakeshore Rd.
> Underground paid parking is available on Bremner Blvd. Pedestrian access
> to the back of Union Station on Bremner Blvd. allows direct entry into
> the train departures concourse.
>
> /JF
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com
> <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:
>
>> And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see what
>> that means for my train ride in and out.
>>
>> On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>>> Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the bus+train option, and ran into a similar construction closure and shuttle workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and so the shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working end of the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport to my stop downtown.
>>>
>>> This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.
>>>
>>> And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour on the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the bus is on the expressway.
>>>
>>> --Sandy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann<cabo@tzi.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell Sutherland<russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kipling station
>>>> Oh.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_Islington.jsp
>>>>
>>>> (I’m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)
>>>>
>>>> Grüße, Carsten
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On 14 July 2014 17:07, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone know if/how this has affected the shuttle from the city
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I'm taking Porter tomorrow to Washington for IGF USA. I'll let you know :-).

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On 14 July 2014 16:45, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:


> > But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every 60
> minutes on weekends.
> >
> > Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?
>
> I called the hotel, and the $28 service was the only one they mentioned.
>


The local transit bus, route 192
<http://ttc.ca/Schedule/schedule.jsp?Route=192S&Stop=PEARSON_AIRPORT_TERMINAL_3_%28ARRIVALS_LEVEL%29&Day=Monday_To_Friday>,
runs every 8-9 minutes weekdays and every 10 minutes weekends.

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&gt; But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every 6=
0 minutes on weekends.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?<br>
<br>
</div>I called the hotel, and the $28 service was the only one they mention=
ed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://tt=
c.ca/Schedule/schedule.jsp?Route=3D192S&amp;Stop=3DPEARSON_AIRPORT_TERMINAL=
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There is a car park on 2 church st.(Car Park 43) that I usually use
for events in the Fairmont.

 Day Max is $9 and Night max is $5 so a whole 24hr sets you back $14.
It's a bit of walking to the hotel though.

Ghaleb Al-Habian

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Cerveny, Bill <wcerveny@arbor.net> wrote:
> I'm driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area.  Are there any
> recommendations for where to park a car which will mostly not be driven for
> a week? The Fairmont's valet parking is $48/day, so I'm not parking there.
> There is a garage about 2 blocks away which appears to be about $20/day,
> which is what I'd pay to park at Detroit Metro.
>
> Options I'm considering are:
> 1) Park near hotel
> 2) Park near a subway stop, although I'm not sure where I could park for
> multiple days near a subway.
> 3) Park at off-airport parking near airport ($40/week), then get from
> airport to downtown.
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> Thanks,
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there is an airport shuttle service to the downtown, and Fairmount is =
one of
the stops. you can book the ticket online, $42 two way at:

http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/

- Naiming

On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:

> On 14 July 2014 16:45, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
> =20
> > But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every =
60 minutes on weekends.
> >
> > Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?
>=20
> I called the hotel, and the $28 service was the only one they =
mentioned.
>=20
>=20
> The local transit bus, route 192, runs every 8-9 minutes weekdays and =
every 10 minutes weekends.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>there is an airport shuttle service to the downtown, and Fairmount is one of<div>the stops. you can book the ticket online, $42 two way at:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/">http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>- Naiming</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Evan Leibovitch &lt;<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 July 2014 16:45, Paul Hoffman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org" target="_blank">paul.hoffman@vpnc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">
&gt; But the web site says it runs every 40 minutes on weekdays and every 60 minutes on weekends.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Do you have a pointer to something that runs more frequently?<br>
<br>
</div>I called the hotel, and the $28 service was the only one they mentioned.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://ttc.ca/Schedule/schedule.jsp?Route=192S&amp;Stop=PEARSON_AIRPORT_TERMINAL_3_%28ARRIVALS_LEVEL%29&amp;Day=Monday_To_Friday">The local transit bus, route 192</a>, runs every 8-9 minutes weekdays and every 10 minutes weekends.</div>

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According to Paul Hoffman, the hotel says the Airport Express now lets =
people off a few blocks from the hotel.

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/90attendees/current/msg00021.html

According to a live person at the Airport Express 800 number, the point =
where passengers are let off is

Wellington and York or Wellington (and?) University or at the pick up =
point 225 Front Street West, the Intercontinental Hotel.

These look closer than 3 blocks from the Fairmont on the map.

--Sandy

On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone know if/how this has affected the shuttle from the city =
airport?
>=20
> 	Thanks,
> 	Paul
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> On 7/14/14 4:52 PM, JF Tremblay wrote:
>> The whole street seems blocked in front of the station (thanks Google
>> Streets), but there=92s a PATH tunnel between the station and the RBC
>> building on the other side, where the Fairmount York is (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(Toronto) ).
>>=20
>> More info:
>> =
http://www.viarail.ca/en/explore-our-destinations/stations/ontario/toronto=

>>=20
>> *Information on construction around Union Station*
>> Due to ongoing construction and limited lanes between Bay St. and =
York
>> St., access to Front St. facing Union Station is limited.
>>=20
>> Travellers requiring entry, pick-up or drop-off at Union Station may =
do
>> so at the southwest corner of York St. and Front. St. coming from the
>> west only. *Front St. is now open to through traffic westbound only*.
>> *Travellers may also use the South Union Plaza entrances on Bremner
>> Blvd. facing the Air Canada Centre. Taxis also remain available at =
the
>> corner of Front St. and York St.*
>>=20
>> Motorists requiring access to Union Station may also enter on Bremner
>> Blvd. (in front of Air Canada Centre) accessed either from Lakeshore =
Rd.
>> at Bay St. (southeast corner) or from York St. above Lakeshore Rd.
>> Underground paid parking is available on Bremner Blvd. Pedestrian =
access
>> to the back of Union Station on Bremner Blvd. allows direct entry =
into
>> the train departures concourse.
>>=20
>> /JF
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz =
<rgm@labs.htt-consult.com
>> <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> And ViaRail had a warning about construction.  I will have to see =
what
>>> that means for my train ride in and out.
>>>=20
>>> On 07/14/2014 12:28 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>>>> Last November, I attended a meeting in Toronto.  I tried the =
bus+train option, and ran into a similar construction closure and =
shuttle workaround.  The closed section of subway was several stops and =
so the shuttle had several stops to make before it reached the working =
end of the subway.  It took more than two hours to get from the airport =
to my stop downtown.
>>>>=20
>>>> This time, it looks like the outage is just one subway hop, so the =
shuttle should be pt-pt, so maybe not as bad.  But still.
>>>>=20
>>>> And if you are looking to this option as a way to avoid rush hour =
on the expressway, you might want to consider that the 15 minutes on the =
bus is on the expressway.
>>>>=20
>>>> --Sandy
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Carsten Bormann<cabo@tzi.org>  wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:05, Russell =
Sutherland<russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca>  wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Kipling station
>>>>> Oh.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/Line_2_Kipling_to_I=
slington.jsp
>>>>>=20
>>>>> (I=92m arriving before that happens, but prepare for more baggage =
schlepping if you arrive on the weekend.)
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On 14 July 2014 16:54, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>
>  If you land [at YTZ] you get to take one of the world's shortest ferry
>> ride - 121 metres!
>>
>
> IIUC, you take this ferry from the island to the mainland. And then there
> is a free shuttle that goes to our conference hotel.


> Doesn't get much better than that.
>

Also, Toronto's only (officially sanctioned) nude beach
<http://www.blogto.com/travel/2009/06/gta_tripping_hanlans_point_beach/> is
located near the end of one of the runways and can usually be sighted
before landing.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1=
4 July 2014 16:54, Paul Kyzivat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pky=
zivat@alum.mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
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If you land [at YTZ] you get to take one of the world&#39;s shortest ferry =
ride - 121 metres!<br>
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IIUC, you take this ferry from the island to the mainland. And then there i=
s a free shuttle that goes to our conference hotel.=C2=A0</blockquote><bloc=
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Doesn&#39;t get much better than that.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
<div>Also, <a href=3D"http://www.blogto.com/travel/2009/06/gta_tripping_han=
lans_point_beach/">Toronto&#39;s only (officially sanctioned) nude beach</a=
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I=92m also Toronto local (at least part-time) and travel into downtown via =
Pearson YYZ once or twice a month. I regularly use the TCC Pearson Rocket (=
#192). As others have already noted it=92s often quicker than road transpor=
tation - whether cab, limo or shuttle - and quite a bit cheaper. I=92ll sti=
ll cab when in group or if it's between midnight & 6am.

As others have noted too the section of Front St. that runs between the hot=
el & Union Station has been a mess for a few years. Accessibility on any gi=
ven section seems to change week by week. Expect to have to walk some dista=
nce. Last time I was through a few weeks ago it was much improved still but=
 far from finished. Exit from subway and train was less labyrinthian and ca=
bs were able to get with about a block of one of the hotel entrances.

./id


From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>>
Date: Monday, July 14, 2014 at 4:52 PM
To: Brian Munshaw <brian.munshaw@ndt-inc.com<mailto:brian.munshaw@ndt-inc.c=
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] Hints on best airport transfer someone?


Greetings.

I just joined this list and live in Toronto. AMA.

A few additions to the IETF website:

The Airport Express bus is $27(cdn), runs every 40 minutes, and stops acros=
s the street from the venue. Travel time is highly time-of-day dependent, c=
an be as little as 40 minutes but midday weekdays often 60 or more.

The TTC local transit may be a good option. Two relevant lines service both=
 terminals. The 192 "rocket" goes to Kipling Subway, using routes that are =
not as badly impacted as the downtown and it runs every 8-9 minutes from 5a=
m to 2am. You'll need to switch subway lines at St George station. Total ti=
me, between 60 and 70 minutes, which in midday is about the same as the Air=
port Express. (Between 2 and 5 there is still service to the airport every =
10 minutes, route 300 that also replaces the green line subway)

You do not need a transfer to go from bus to subway at either Kipling or La=
wrence West stations.

Billy Bishop airport (YTZ) is much closer to downtown, and there's a free s=
huttle service from the airport to the venue hotel. But service is propelle=
r only, and thus only from the Canadian and US northeast. Porter Airlines<h=
ttps://www.flyporter.com>, which serves this airport, doesn't show up on ma=
ny travel search sites and its not part of any airline alliance. But its se=
rvice is apparently good and everyone has access to the business lounge.

If going on the cheap, Megabus has direct and moderately comfortable servic=
e from Montreal, New York, Washington, and Philly.


Evan Leibovitch
President
Internet Society, Canada Chapter

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x; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div><div>I=92m also Toronto local (a=
t least part-time) and travel into downtown via Pearson YYZ once or twice a=
 month. I regularly use the TCC Pearson Rocket (#192). As others have alrea=
dy noted it=92s often quicker than road transportation - whether cab, limo =
or shuttle - and quite a bit cheaper. I=92ll still cab when in group or if =
it's between midnight &amp; 6am.</div><div><br></div><div>As others have no=
ted too the section of Front St. that runs between the hotel &amp; Union St=
ation has been a mess for a few years. Accessibility on any given section s=
eems to change week by week. Expect to have to walk some distance. Last tim=
e I was through a few weeks ago it was much improved still but far from fin=
ished. Exit from subway and train was less labyrinthian and cabs were able =
to get with about a block of one of the hotel entrances.&nbsp;</div><div><b=
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reetings. </p><p dir=3D"ltr">I just joined this list and live in Toronto. A=
MA. </p><p dir=3D"ltr">A few additions to the IETF website:</p><p dir=3D"lt=
r">The Airport Express bus is $27(cdn), runs every 40 minutes, and stops ac=
ross the street from the venue. Travel time is highly time-of-day dependent=
, can be as little as 40 minutes but midday weekdays often 60 or more.</p><=
p dir=3D"ltr">The TTC local transit may be a good option. Two relevant line=
s service both terminals. The 192 &quot;rocket&quot; goes to Kipling Subway=
, using routes that are not as badly impacted as the downtown and it runs e=
very 8-9 minutes from 5am to 2am. You'll need to switch subway lines at St =
George station. Total time, between 60 and 70 minutes, which in midday is a=
bout the same as the Airport Express. (Between 2 and 5 there is still servi=
ce to the airport every 10 minutes, route 300 that also replaces the green =
line subway)</p><p dir=3D"ltr">You do not need a transfer to go from bus to=
 subway at either Kipling or Lawrence West stations.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">Bill=
y Bishop airport (YTZ) is much closer to downtown, and there's a free shutt=
le service from the airport to the venue hotel. But service is propeller on=
ly, and thus only from the Canadian and US northeast. <a href=3D"https://ww=
w.flyporter.com">Porter Airlines</a>, which serves this airport, doesn't sh=
ow up on many travel search sites and its not part of any airline alliance.=
 But its service is apparently good and everyone has access to the business=
 lounge.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">If going on the cheap, Megabus has direct and mo=
derately comfortable service from Montreal, New York, Washington, and Phill=
y.</p><p dir=3D"ltr"><br></p><p>Evan Leibovitch<br>President<br>Internet So=
ciety, Canada Chapter</p></div></blockquote></span></body></html>

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It would seem your best bet is a local lot walking distance from the hotel.
The construction has made the streets surrounding the hotel a hot mess, so
parking a few blocks out is a necessity.

C

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On Jul 14, 2014 12:02 PM, "Colin Doyle" <cdoyle@verilan.com> wrote:

> I'll be checking into the Fairmont in about an hour. I'll check around and
> let you know.
>
> C
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> Colin Doyle
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> Portland, OR 97225
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>> I'm driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area.  Are there any
>> recommendations for where to park a car which will mostly not be driven for
>> a week? The Fairmont's valet parking is $48/day, so I'm not parking there.
>>  There is a garage about 2 blocks away which appears to be about $20/day,
>> which is what I'd pay to park at Detroit Metro.
>>
>> Options I'm considering are:
>> 1) Park near hotel
>> 2) Park near a subway stop, although I'm not sure where I could park for
>> multiple days near a subway.
>> 3) Park at off-airport parking near airport ($40/week), then get from
>> airport to downtown.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Cerveny
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<p dir=3D"ltr">It would seem your best bet is a local lot walking distance =
from the hotel. The construction has made the streets surrounding the hotel=
 a hot mess, so parking a few blocks out is a necessity.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">C</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Colin Doyle<br>
Networking Fellow<br>
Verilan, Inc.<br>
7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215<br>
Portland, OR 97225</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">+1 503.810.2129 [mobile]<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:cdoyle@verilan.com">cdoyle@verilan.com</a> [email]<br>
cdoyle.verilan [skype]<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 14, 2014 12:02 PM, &quot;Colin Doyle&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cdoyle@verilan.com">cdoyle@verilan.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll be checking into the Fairmont in about an hour. I&#=
39;ll check around and let you know.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">C</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-- </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Colin Doyle<br>
Networking Fellow<br>
Verilan, Inc.<br>
7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215<br>
Portland, OR 97225</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20503.810.2129" value=3D"+15038102129" t=
arget=3D"_blank">+1 503.810.2129</a> [mobile]<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:cdoyle@verilan.com" target=3D"_blank">cdoyle@verilan.com<=
/a> [email]<br>
cdoyle.verilan [skype]<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 14, 2014 11:20 AM, &quot;Cerveny, Bill&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wcerveny@arbor.net" target=3D"_blank">wcerveny@ar=
bor.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">

<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m driving into Toronto from the metro Detroit area. =
=C2=A0Are there any recommendations for where to park a car which will most=
ly not be driven for a week? The Fairmont&#39;s valet parking is $48/day, s=
o I&#39;m not parking there. =C2=A0There is a garage about 2 blocks away wh=
ich appears to be about $20/day, which is what I&#39;d pay to park at Detro=
it Metro.<div>


<br></div><div>Options I&#39;m considering are:</div><div>1) Park near hote=
l</div><div>2) Park near a subway stop, although I&#39;m not sure where I c=
ould park for multiple days near a subway.</div><div>3) Park at off-airport=
 parking near airport ($40/week), then get from airport to downtown.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Cerveny</div></di=
v>
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--On Monday, July 14, 2014 17:30 -0400 Sandra Murphy
<sandy@tislabs.com> wrote:

> According to Paul Hoffman, the hotel says the Airport Express
> now lets people off a few blocks from the hotel.
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/90attendees/current/msg00
> 021.html
> 
> According to a live person at the Airport Express 800 number,
> the point where passengers are let off is
> 
> Wellington and York or Wellington (and?) University or at the
> pick up point 225 Front Street West, the Intercontinental
> Hotel.
> 
> These look closer than 3 blocks from the Fairmont on the map.

For last weekend, the stop was apparently at Simcoe and Front (a
first order approximation to the Intercontinental), which is two
or three blocks (depending on how you count) and circa 300
meters (http://www.torontoairportexpress.com/index.php).   That
web site also shows a "temporary pick-up location" without a
date on the other side of the Intercontinental but still on
Front - a further block west by their count and a further half
block by mine (just guessing from the map, circa 400 meters).
Wellington isn't mentioned in either, but runs parallel to Front
2 blocks (or one long one) the the north.

It sounds like there is a lot of construction going on and they
are figuring it out on a day by day basis.  Not really much of
an issue for arrival -- the bus stops where it stops and one
walks 300-400 meters in some direction.  Could be a bit more of
an adventure on departure.

    john








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> It sounds like there is a lot of construction going on and they
> are figuring it out on a day by day basis.

who is the responsible area director?


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On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> who is the responsible area director?

Sounds like transport to me.


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At 9:22 PM -0400 7/14/14, Ted Lemon wrote:

>  On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>>  who is the responsible area director?
>
>  Sounds like transport to me.

What about operations or routing?

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On 15/07/14 03:22, "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

>On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>> who is the responsible area director?
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>Sounds like transport to me.
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I fly in from SFO on Saturday arriving around 7:30pm at Peasron.  If anyone
is getting in at the same and just wants to split a cab/town car, let me
know.  Seems like it would be about the same price as the airport shuttle
and more convenient.

-jim


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Security because we need a lot of entropy :-)
>
> On 15/07/14 03:22, "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> >> who is the responsible area director?
> >
> >Sounds like transport to me.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I fly in from SFO on Saturday arriving around 7:30pm at Pe=
asron. =C2=A0If anyone is getting in at the same and just wants to split a =
cab/town car, let me know. =C2=A0Seems like it would be about the same pric=
e as the airport shuttle and more convenient.=C2=A0<div>
<br></div><div>-jim</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evyncke@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 15/07/14 03:22, &quot;Ted Lemon&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mellon@fugue=
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&gt;On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy@psg=
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&gt;&gt; who is the responsible area director?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Sounds like transport to me.<br>
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At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list =
involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very =
helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK, =
something they do for all nations to list special considerations that US =
citizens should know.

I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this =
trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides =
geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.

Here's the URL: =
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.

As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:

You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having =
items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)

You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get =
into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to =
declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a =
firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark of =
how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are =
similar.)=20

There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included in =
the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my =
eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)

Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to =
search at the border.

DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or =
how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a long =
latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation", to give =
you an idea of how they regard this).

This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural =
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On 07/15/2014 03:14 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:

> Here's the URL: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.

> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not mention something
> that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other nations may provide similar info for their citizens.

And don't take back things into the US that are legal in Canada, but illegal in the US. Such as some chocolate:

http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2014/06/02/canadian-kinder-surprise-smuggling-ring-broken-up-by-us-officials/

Paul


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The same is true for cuban cigars, cuban rum and absinthe. Enjoy them in =
Canada, but it=92s illegal to bring them back to the US.=20

In the same line, you can=92t bring a baby walker or a second-hand =
mattress in Canada=85 (if that fits in your luggage).=20
http://correresmidestino.com/5-things-banned-in-canada/

/JF

On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 07/15/2014 03:14 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>=20
>> Here's the URL: =
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>=20
>> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural =
expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not mention =
something
>> that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other nations may =
provide similar info for their citizens.
>=20
> And don't take back things into the US that are legal in Canada, but =
illegal in the US. Such as some chocolate:
>=20
> =
http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2014/06/02/canadian-kinder-surprise-smug=
gling-ring-broken-up-by-us-officials/
>=20
> Paul
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I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag... I hope
it won't land me in jail :-)



On 7/15/14, 4:33 PM, JF Tremblay wrote:
> The same is true for cuban cigars, cuban rum and absinthe. Enjoy them
> in Canada, but it's illegal to bring them back to the US. 
>
> In the same line, you can't bring a baby walker or a second-hand
> mattress in Canada... (if that fits in your luggage). 
> http://correresmidestino.com/5-things-banned-in-canada/
>
> /JF
>
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com
> <mailto:pwouters@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 07/15/2014 03:14 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the URL:
>>> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>>
>>> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their
>>> cultural expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but
>>> may not mention something
>>> that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other nations may
>>> provide similar info for their citizens.
>>
>> And don't take back things into the US that are legal in Canada, but
>> illegal in the US. Such as some chocolate:
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2014/06/02/canadian-kinder-surprise-smuggling-ring-broken-up-by-us-officials/
>>
>> Paul
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    <tt>I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag...
      I hope it won't land me in jail :-)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/15/14, 4:33 PM, JF Tremblay wrote:<br>
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      <div>The same is true for cuban cigars, cuban rum and absinthe.
        Enjoy them in Canada, but it&#8217;s illegal to bring them back to the
        US.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>In the same line, you can&#8217;t bring a baby walker or a
        second-hand mattress in Canada&#8230; (if that fits in your luggage).&nbsp;</div>
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        <div>On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Paul Wouters &lt;<a
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        <blockquote type="cite">On 07/15/2014 03:14 PM, Sandra Murphy
          wrote:<br>
          <br>
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href="http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html">http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html</a>.<br>
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            useful for all attendees but may not mention something<br>
            that other nation's citizens would not expect. &nbsp;Other
            nations may provide similar info for their citizens.<br>
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          And don't take back things into the US that are legal in
          Canada, but illegal in the US. Such as some chocolate:<br>
          <br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2014/06/02/canadian-kinder-surprise-smuggling-ring-broken-up-by-us-officials/">http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2014/06/02/canadian-kinder-surprise-smuggling-ring-broken-up-by-us-officials/</a><br>
          <br>
          Paul<br>
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On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:37 PM, "Carlos M. Martinez" <carlos@lacnic.net> =
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> I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag... I =
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>I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag... I hope
>it won't land me in jail :-)

They don't care.  I can't say the same about poorly trained TSA
officers at US checkpoints.  The TSA clearly says they're OK, but some
of the officers don't know that.  Or maybe they do, and they want a
free jackknife for their kid.


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| I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag... I hope
| it won't land me in jail :-)

No.

<http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html>

But beware: my Swiss army knife tries to sneak onto planes in my
pocket.  One time I had to mail it home from an IETF meeting because I
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I pack it on an external pocket of my checked bag, which I then wrap at
the airport. When I arrive at destination, I scratch the wrap a little
bit, get the sak out, and then I proceed to cut the rest of the wrap.

Silly, but the first time I did it I almost felt like Houdini.

:D

-Carlos


On 7/15/14, 5:08 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net>
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| I always pack a small(ish) swiss army knife in my checked bag... I hope
| it won't land me in jail :-)

No.

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<div>At 9:03 AM -0700 7/15/14, Jim Spring wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I fly in from SFO on Saturday arriving
around 7:30pm at Peasron. &nbsp;If anyone is getting in at the same
and just wants to split a cab/town car, let me know. &nbsp;Seems like
it would be about the same price as the airport shuttle and more
convenient.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hence the Arrival Coordination Wiki page.&nbsp; The idea is that
people edit the page to add their flight arrivals, and then email
others who are landing at about the same time.</div>
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<div>https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90arrivals</div
>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:48 AM, Eric
Vyncke (evyncke) &lt;<a
href="mailto:evyncke@cisco.com">evyncke@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Security because we need a lot of entropy :-)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
On 15/07/14 03:22, &quot;Ted Lemon&quot; &lt;<a
href="mailto:mellon@fugue.com">mellon@fugue.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Randy Bush &lt;<a
href="mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; who is the responsible area director?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Sounds like transport to me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;_______________________________________________<br>
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Just a reminder about the the arrival and departure coordination Wiki 
pages.  The idea is that people edit the arrivals page to add their 
flight arrivals, and then email others who are landing at about the 
same time, and similarly, edit the departure page to add their flight 
departure.

Arrivals:
https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90arrivals

Departures:
https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90departures

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Hello,

I'm going to bring some RIPE Atlas probes to Toronto.

If you don't know what RIPE Atlas probe is: it is a small USB-powered
device which, after being connected to a network via UTP cable, starts
performing a various types of network measurements (ping, traceroute,
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By hosting a probe you are not just helping with extending the network
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More information could be found at RIPE Atlas web site: https://atlas.ripe.net/

If you'd like to get a probe and host it in your network or if you
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Is path a good alternative if a sidewalk is closed?

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A sidewalk near the Royal York usually stretches from the building edge
to the edge of the road.  When it is just the sidewalk that is blocked,
there is occasionally a "protected" way to pass (often on the roadway);
more often the only way is to cross the street and use the sidewalk on
the other side (assuming that it is not also blocked).

>From what I saw at this site two weeks ago, it will mostly be a case of
looking for the least dangerous route.

There is likely to be an underground passage between the Royal York and
the Union Station across the street.  This may present a safer path,
although it may take longer...

  Bill

P.S. I am not sure what you mean by a path.  For me, a path is something
that you find in a forest, and I assure you that you will find no
forests in downtown Toronto...  :-)

On 15/07/2014 8:56 PM, Suresh Kumar Vinapamula Venkata wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I see lot of mails mentioning about construction in downtown. What
> alternatives we have if a sidewalk is closed?
> Is path a good alternative if a sidewalk is closed?
> 
> -Suresh
> 
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You won't have a problem.
Sidewalks are rarely closed by construction (they often build a roof =
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construction), and if they are closed, this will be clearly indicated =
with signs that will say something like "Use sidewalk on other side of =
street".

Not sure what you mean by "path".

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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You won't have a problem.<div>Sidewalks are rarely closed by construction (they often build a roof over the sidewalk if there is a risk of falling objects from the construction), and if they are closed, this will be clearly indicated with signs that will say something like "Use sidewalk on other side of street".</div><div><br></div><div>Not sure what you mean by "path".</div><div><br></div><div>Philip</div><div><br><div><div>On 2014-07-15, at 20:56 , Suresh Kumar Vinapamula Venkata wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">

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| From: William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca>

| There is likely to be an underground passage between the Royal York and
| the Union Station across the street.

There is.

| P.S. I am not sure what you mean by a path.  For me, a path is something
| that you find in a forest, and I assure you that you will find no
| forests in downtown Toronto...  :-)

Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>

That's a confusing twisty system of underground malls.  I connects lots and
lots of downtown buildings.

<http://www.torontopath.com/view/Path-Map.aspx>

(The map is probably schematic, leaving out real twists and turns.)

The Fairmont Royal York is on it, as is Union Station.  Their
connection is straightforward.

On the other hand, look at the route from the Royal York to the
physically adjacent 95 Wellington.

My cynical take on navigating PATH is that it is in each building's
interest to keep you trapped in their mall rather than easing transit
to other buildings.


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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:

> | From: William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca <javascript:;>>
>
> | There is likely to be an underground passage between the Royal York and
> | the Union Station across the street.
>
> There is.
>
> | P.S. I am not sure what you mean by a path.  For me, a path is somethin=
g
> | that you find in a forest, and I assure you that you will find no
> | forests in downtown Toronto...  :-)
>
> Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>
>
> That's a confusing twisty system of underground malls.  I connects lots a=
nd
> lots of downtown buildings.
>
> <http://www.torontopath.com/view/Path-Map.aspx>
>
> (The map is probably schematic, leaving out real twists and turns.)
>
> The Fairmont Royal York is on it, as is Union Station.  Their
> connection is straightforward.


I can confirm this from this morning. It's easy and fast. Follow the
signs. Just note that the Fairmont is called the Royal York Hotel on much
of the signage.


> On the other hand, look at the route from the Royal York to the
> physically adjacent 95 Wellington.
>
> My cynical take on navigating PATH is that it is in each building's
> interest to keep you trapped in their mall rather than easing transit
> to other buildings.
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interest to keep you trapped in their mall rather than easing transit<br>
to other buildings.<br>
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> Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>

darn!  and i was just getting a deep understanding of how to use
sidewalks.  i was planning to accumulate sidewalk best practices
into an internet draft and make fame and fortune.

randy


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Thanks.

Path is Toronto's Downtown Underground Pedestrian Walkway.

http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonlyvgnextoid=3Df537b454b35a2410Vg=
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-Suresh
From: Philip Matthews <philip_matthews@magma.ca<mailto:philip_matthews@magm=
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] Path in downtown

You won't have a problem.
Sidewalks are rarely closed by construction (they often build a roof over t=
he sidewalk if there is a risk of falling objects from the construction), a=
nd if they are closed, this will be clearly indicated with signs that will =
say something like "Use sidewalk on other side of street".

Not sure what you mean by "path".

Philip

On 2014-07-15, at 20:56 , Suresh Kumar Vinapamula Venkata wrote:

Hi,

I see lot of mails mentioning about construction in downtown. What alternat=
ives we have if a sidewalk is closed?
Is path a good alternative if a sidewalk is closed?

-Suresh



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<div>Thanks.</div>
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<div>Path is&nbsp;Toronto's Downtown Underground Pedestrian Walkway.&nbsp;<=
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You won't have a problem.
<div>Sidewalks are rarely closed by construction (they often build a roof o=
ver the sidewalk if there is a risk of falling objects from the constructio=
n), and if they are closed, this will be clearly indicated with signs that =
will say something like &quot;Use sidewalk
 on other side of street&quot;.</div>
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<div>Not sure what you mean by &quot;path&quot;.</div>
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<div>Hi,&nbsp;</div>
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<div>I see lot of mails mentioning about construction in downtown. What alt=
ernatives we have if a sidewalk is closed?</div>
<div>Is path a good alternative if a sidewalk is closed?</div>
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Well if you are bummed out, perhaps you can develop some sort of dynamic 
pouting protocol?

C
On 7/15/14, 9:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>
> darn!  and i was just getting a deep understanding of how to use
> sidewalks.  i was planning to accumulate sidewalk best practices
> into an internet draft and make fame and fortune.
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    Well if you are bummed out, perhaps you can develop some sort of
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        <pre wrap="">Maybe he means PATH: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29">&lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29&gt;</a>
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darn!  and i was just getting a deep understanding of how to use
sidewalks.  i was planning to accumulate sidewalk best practices
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| From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>

| > Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>
| 
| darn!  and i was just getting a deep understanding of how to use
| sidewalks.  i was planning to accumulate sidewalk best practices
| into an internet draft and make fame and fortune.

The PATH is a tunneling protocol for sidewalks.  With security through
randomness.  Of course the PATH is deeper than sidewalks


I'm not an expert in PATH.  I don't venture in the area often and when I 
do, I can navigate better on the surface.

For IETF folks, the PATH is probably useful for shopping and eating so it 
might be worthwhile to have ready access to a PATH map.  I was going to 
say "print" but that shows my age.


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>>> Maybe he means PATH: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28Toronto%29>
>> darn!  and i was just getting a deep understanding of how to use
>> sidewalks.  i was planning to accumulate sidewalk best practices
>> into an internet draft and make fame and fortune.
> The PATH is a tunneling protocol for sidewalks.  With security through
> randomness.  Of course the PATH is deeper than sidewalks
> I'm not an expert in PATH.  I don't venture in the area often and when I 
> do, I can navigate better on the surface.

when the tohoku quake stopped all metro and japan rail transport in
tokyo, people (by the millions) had to walk home from work on the
surface, it took my wife six hours.  but they had never had to navigate
on the surface, it was terra incognita.  so stores started duplicating
and handing out neighborhood maps with metro correlations shown.  very
helpful.

but back to the crucial subject at hand, toronto sidewalks.  what is the
jaywalking convention?  strictly unacceptable?  frowned upon?  indulged?
a popular sport?  ...

randy


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> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?

find a dozen attached to this message

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Hi Mike,
The Canadian plugs are the same as the US plugs and the voltage is the same=
. You don't need any adapters.

Cheers
Suresh

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Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the hotel sup=
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>> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the 
>> hotel supply them?
> http://goo.gl/JsbfB2

don't bet on it.  the OP is from microsoft

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Should be same as US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#NEMA_5-15_grounded_=
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I assume Suresh is referring to P.A.T.H., a network of pedestrian tunnels s=
o that Torontonians can get around downtown without ever going outside. The=
 tunnels are full of shops as well.

http://www.torontopath.com/view/Path-Map.aspx



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You won't have a problem.
Sidewalks are rarely closed by construction (they often build a roof over t=
he sidewalk if there is a risk of falling objects from the construction), a=
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say something like "Use sidewalk on other side of street".

Not sure what you mean by "path".

Philip

On 2014-07-15, at 20:56 , Suresh Kumar Vinapamula Venkata wrote:


Hi,

I see lot of mails mentioning about construction in downtown. What alternat=
ives we have if a sidewalk is closed?
Is path a good alternative if a sidewalk is closed?

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Matthews<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Suresh Kumar Vinapamula Venkata<br>
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ten build a roof over the sidewalk if there is a risk of falling objects fr=
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It has been the same for all of my trips across the Detroit River.



On 07/15/2014 08:00 PM, Natasha Rooney wrote:
> Should be same as US
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#NEMA_5-15_grounded_.28Type_B.29
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>Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the hotel supply them?

US and Canadian power are quite similar, but Canadian power is of
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>but back to the crucial subject at hand, toronto sidewalks.  what is the
>jaywalking convention?  strictly unacceptable?  frowned upon?  indulged?
>a popular sport?  ...

It's Toronto.  Why would you want to jaywalk?

R's,
John

PS: Driver's won't expect you to, so I would discourage it unless
there are no traffic that might have to avoid you.


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>> but back to the crucial subject at hand, toronto sidewalks.  what is the
>> jaywalking convention?  strictly unacceptable?  frowned upon?  indulged?
>> a popular sport?  ...
> It's Toronto.  Why would you want to jaywalk?

why did the chicken cross the road?
to show the 'possum it was safe

< with apologies for dense use of idioms >

> PS: Driver's won't expect you to, so I would discourage it unless
> there are no traffic that might have to avoid you.

i would classify that as frowned upon.  thanks

randy, obviously procrastinating on a paper


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On 07/15/2014 09:57 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
>
> I'm not an expert in PATH.  I don't venture in the area often and when I 
> do, I can navigate better on the surface.
> 
> For IETF folks, the PATH is probably useful for shopping and eating so it 
> might be worthwhile to have ready access to a PATH map.  I was going to 
> say "print" but that shows my age.

I have an iphone app for The PATH which makes it a little easier to find your way. I'm sure there are android apps as well.

Alternatively, if you own Half Life, you can practise navigating downtown Toronto including the path using the
City 7 Toronto Conflict mod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVI-nMZ72Os&feature=kp

(official site for the mod seems down/gone? Did someone from George Brown College register for IETF90 ? :)

Paul


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>> Just note that the Fairmont is called the Royal York Hotel on
>> much of the signage.
>
>Which was its name from the time it was built (1929) until just recently...

It's not a coincidence that this hotel is across the street from the
train station -- the Canadian Pacific built a lot of landmark hotels
to encourage people to travel.  CP and competitor CN each spun off
their hotel businesses which were merged into Canadian Pacific hotels.
That company bought the much smaller Fairmont chain (named after their
flagship in San Francisco) in 1999, and took the Fairmont name because
CP seemed too provincial for an international hotel chain.

People in Toronto call it the Royal York, not the Fairmont.

The extremely nice Hotel Vancouver, the overflow hotel for IETF 88,
is a former CN hotel, same deal.

R's,
John


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On 07/15/2014 08:40 PM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote:
>> but back to the crucial subject at hand, toronto sidewalks.  what is the
>> jaywalking convention?  strictly unacceptable?  frowned upon?  indulged?
>> a popular sport?  ...
> It's Toronto.  Why would you want to jaywalk?

I don't follow the Jays.  Do they walk more than other teams?


>
> R's,
> John
>
> PS: Driver's won't expect you to, so I would discourage it unless
> there are no traffic that might have to avoid you.
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R's,
John

PS: Driver's won't expect you to, so I would discourage it unless
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Canadian power will occasionally fight you and one half of the current =
will get benched for two minutes.

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>> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the =
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Thanks for those who has expressed their interest in hosting the
probes! I have all my probes claimed now.

There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes

where you could find who else brings RIPE Atlas probes to Toronto -
please contact them if you would like to host a probe.

If there are any other Atlas Ambassadors willing to distribite probes
- please add yourself to the above-mentioned page.

Thanks!

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm going to bring some RIPE Atlas probes to Toronto.
>
> If you don't know what RIPE Atlas probe is: it is a small USB-powered
> device which, after being connected to a network via UTP cable, starts
> performing a various types of network measurements (ping, traceroute,
> DNS, SSLcert). 6k+ active probes around the globe create a very
> powerful measurement network (see
> https://atlas.ripe.net/results/maps/network-coverage/ for the coverage
> map).
> By hosting a probe you are not just helping with extending the network
> but also getting credits which could be spent on your custom
> measurements.
>
> More information could be found at RIPE Atlas web site: https://atlas.ripe.net/
>
> If you'd like to get a probe and host it in your network or if you
> have any questions - please contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry



-- 
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:00:14AM +0200, Jen Linkova wrote:

> There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes

before coffee: I've tried to login with my email address and confirmation
number.  No access; the only odd thing is that being bumped back to the
login screen, the '@' is substituted by a '_', but still no success with
the second attempt. 'send new password' doesn't work either.  Anybody
share my incompetence or otherwise able to provide relief?

Thanks,
  Peter


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Peter Koch <pk@denic.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:00:14AM +0200, Jen Linkova wrote:
>
>> There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes
>
> before coffee: I've tried to login with my email address and confirmation
> number.  No access; the only odd thing is that being bumped back to the
> login screen, the '@' is substituted by a '_', but still no success with
> the second attempt. 'send new password' doesn't work either.  Anybody
> share my incompetence or otherwise able to provide relief?

Interesting. Worked fine for me 1 hrs ago.

-- 
SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry


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I had similar experiences yday, but in the end, I could login
with a new (emailed) password, I igniored the _ and use @

Bert

On 16/07/14 09:21, Peter Koch wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:00:14AM +0200, Jen Linkova wrote:
>
>> There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes
>
> before coffee: I've tried to login with my email address and confirmation
> number.  No access; the only odd thing is that being bumped back to the
> login screen, the '@' is substituted by a '_', but still no success with
> the second attempt. 'send new password' doesn't work either.  Anybody
> share my incompetence or otherwise able to provide relief?
>
> Thanks,
>    Peter
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On 2014-07-16 09:21, Peter Koch wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:00:14AM +0200, Jen Linkova wrote:
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>> There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes
>
> before coffee: I've tried to login with my email address and confirmation
> number.  No access; the only odd thing is that being bumped back to the
> login screen, the '@' is substituted by a '_', but still no success with
> the second attempt. 'send new password' doesn't work either.  Anybody
> share my incompetence or otherwise able to provide relief?
>
> Thanks,
>    Peter

Same here.


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Peter,

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 wrote:

I had similar experiences yday, but in the end, I could login
with a new (emailed) password, I igniored the _ and use @

Like Bert I was able to get in after getting a new password.  I then went i=
nto the "Profile" link in the lower right corner to set my own password.

In the profile I was able to see that my user name did use the underscore: =
 "york_isoc.org".   However, I entered my login name with the "@" sign and =
it seems to automagically change it to the "_".

My only suggestion would be to perhaps check a spam/junk folder to see if t=
he new password message went there.

Dan

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On 2014-07-16 12:08, Dan York wrote:
> Peter,
>
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:30 AM, "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <bertietf@bwijnen.net
> <mailto:bertietf@bwijnen.net>>
>   wrote:
>
>> I had similar experiences yday, but in the end, I could login
>> with a new (emailed) password, I igniored the _ and use @
>
> Like Bert I was able to get in after getting a new password.  I then
> went into the "Profile" link in the lower right corner to set my own
> password.
>
> In the profile I was able to see that my user name did use the
> underscore:  "york_isoc.org".   However, I entered my login name with
> the "@" sign and it seems to automagically change it to the "_".
>
> My only suggestion would be to perhaps check a spam/junk folder to see
> if the new password message went there.

Trying to reset my password gives: "Sorry, we can't find this user in 
our database.".

Best regards, Julian


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:17:34AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
> but back to the crucial subject at hand, toronto sidewalks.  what is the
> jaywalking convention?  strictly unacceptable?  frowned upon?  indulged?
> a popular sport?  ...

I think John is being a little too strong.  There are places where
jaywalking is tolerated, and many places where it is not.  Also,
Toronto has gotten a lot denser in the last 15 years, and the
infrastructure hasn't really kept up.

On low-traffic streets, if there are no cops about, people jaywalk
sometimes.  "Low traffic" is pretty low, however: no cars are coming.
If there is a cop in a bad mood or in need of quota-filling, you will
probably get a ticket.

On high-traffic streets, you will be run down by a car.  They won't
expect it from you. 

On high-traffic streets during rush hour where there is a traffic jam,
at certain places it's expected even though it's not allowed.  Queen's
Park Circle, for instance, has a large sign telling pedestrians to
cross at another point, but at 17:00 any weekday there is always a
stream of people picking their way through the cars stopped at the
lights.  This goes to show that Toronto is a good location for the
IETF, because the IETF too has official rules that are widely expected
to be broken.

During busy times, some pedestrians seem to think it's ok to step off
the curb and into the corner, as if a sort of proto-jaywalking
convention is emerging.  On at least three occasions I observed, this
was a good way to get a broken toe.

Two other things for pedestrians: there are special crosswalks (few of
them in the immediate area of the Royal York).  You press a button and
blinky yellow lights go on overhead.  You must press the light button,
and point across the road, or you don't have the right of way.  If you
do, the cars are supposed to stop.  STEP CAREFULLY.  A lot of drivers
don't know what they're doing (I like to imagine they're Rob Ford's
neighbours) and just blow through the crosswalks.  Glare at the
drivers if they seem pushy.  It's the thing to do.  Also, despite what
you will see, bicycles except those with tiny little wheels (intended
to permit kids' bikes, but applies to fold-up bikes too) are not
allowed on the sidewalk.  But some Toronto cyclists are rude and
pushy, figuring that since they can run you down they are allowed to
ride on your sidewalk.  Keep a sharp eye out for these.  (Lots of
cyclists here aren't like that, but too many are.)

One other thing for kind-of pedestrians: Toronto has streetcars, and
if you are disembarking from one you should be aware that they often
let you off on the road i.e. in the traffic lane. The same people who
blow through the aforementioned crosswalks seem to be oblivious to the
large red railcars, with open doors with a stop sign on them.  _Always_
look before stepping off a streetcar.  I can't count the number of
times I nearly saw someone creamed (and I haven't lived here since
2008).

A

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In case there are any railfan geeks among the IETF crowd (just in
case), I thought I'd mention that Toronto has a reputedly-unique track
gauge for its streetcar and subway tracks: 4' 10 7â�„8".  Steve Munro
(stevemunro.ca) claims this was because wagons could ride in the track
back in the day of horse-drawn street carriages, but I have no real
knowledge.  Not all of the system is built this way: the increasingly
moribund Scarborough RT system doesn't use the TTC gauge, and when
it's finished the Eglinton line won't either.

More info than any reasonable person wants to know about TTC history
is available from http://transit.toronto.on.ca and
http://stevemunro.ca.

Best regards,

A

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Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wrote
Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:14:23 -0400:

| Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to search at the border.

Do you have any more details on that one?

I'm assuming Canada doesn't have anything like the UK law on giving up
your pass phrases ("S.53").


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On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Linus Nordberg <linus+ietf@nordu.net> =
wrote:
> Do you have any more details on that one?

This is true in general.   The U.S. has successfully claimed the right =
to search your laptop at the border as well, and it's not realistic to =
think that you are safe at any border crossing where the government =
hasn't explicitly said you are (and maybe not even then--sounds fishy!). =
  So put your sensitive data in an encrypted box online, download it =
when you get there, and memorize the passphrase that encrypts it so that =
it's not on your computer when you travel.   Problem solved.


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:58:32PM +0200, Linus Nordberg wrote:
> I'm assuming Canada doesn't have anything like the UK law on giving up
> your pass phrases ("S.53").

I would not assume anything of the sort.  During the period when you
are entering Canada, you don't actually have many protections.  The
status of such passwords is at best unknown.  Canada has certain laws
about pornographic material that are quite strong, and a border agent
might insist that you provide a password or have your laptop impounded
if you are under suspicion.

In general, when crossing an international border, you should assume
that any contents of your laptop are open to scrutiny.  That said,
I've never had my laptop looked at by the Canadian border people, and
for about a year I crossed every other week.  

Best regards,

A

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If one soaks the US power plug in maple syrup for an hour, it becomes fully=
 Canadian compatible.

Rgds,
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Canadian power will occasionally fight you and one half of the current will=
 get benched for two minutes.

-j

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>> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the hotel =
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On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Sergey Slovetsky =
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> If one soaks the US power plug in maple syrup for an hour, it becomes =
fully Canadian compatible.

Nonsense, that just makes it Vermont compatible.   To make it =
Canada-compatible, you have to soak it in sirop d'erable.


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> I will arrange for a US-CA power adapter in every room for you in advance.
> Please remit payment of $50 USD for this service.
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Sounds like a rip off to me. The Igloo down the street has them at $1 each.

cheers,
jamal

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For UK attendees see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/canada I did =
not notice anything very unusual.

IETF'ers should note "Take all rubbish with you, and treat any food items w=
ith great care to avoid attracting animals to your site" so be careful with=
 the cookie crumbs.

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandra Murphy
> Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
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> Cc: Sandra Murphy
> Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.
>=20
> At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
> involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
> helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
> something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
> US citizens should know.
>=20
> I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
> trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
> geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.
>=20
> Here's the URL:
> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>=20
> As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:
>=20
> You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
> items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)
>=20
> You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
> into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
> declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
> firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
> of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
> similar.)
>=20
> There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
> in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
> eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)
>=20
> Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
> search at the border.
>=20
> DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
> how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
> long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
> to give you an idea of how they regard this).
>=20
> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
> expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
> mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
> nations may provide similar info for their citizens.
>=20
> --Sandy
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http://goo.gl/oNBkZl

:)
On 7/16/14, 11:37 AM, Hutton, Andrew wrote:
> For UK attendees see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/canada I did not notice anything very unusual.
>
> IETF'ers should note "Take all rubbish with you, and treat any food items with great care to avoid attracting animals to your site" so be careful with the cookie crumbs.
>
> Andy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sandra Murphy
>> Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
>> To: attendees
>> Cc: Sandra Murphy
>> Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.
>>
>> At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
>> involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
>> helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
>> something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
>> US citizens should know.
>>
>> I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
>> trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
>> geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.
>>
>> Here's the URL:
>> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>>
>> As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:
>>
>> You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
>> items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)
>>
>> You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
>> into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
>> declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
>> firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
>> of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
>> similar.)
>>
>> There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
>> in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
>> eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)
>>
>> Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
>> search at the border.
>>
>> DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
>> how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
>> long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
>> to give you an idea of how they regard this).
>>
>> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
>> expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
>> mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
>> nations may provide similar info for their citizens.
>>
>> --Sandy
>>
>>
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From: 90attendees [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of
Sandra Murphy
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Cc: Sandra Murphy
Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.

At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
US citizens should know.

I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.

Here's the URL:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html">http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html</a>.

As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:

You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)

You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
similar.)

There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)

Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
search at the border.

DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
to give you an idea of how they regard this).

This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
nations may provide similar info for their citizens.

--Sandy


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        [email] </div>
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 Reschke
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On 2014-07-16 12:08, Dan York wrote:
> Peter,
>
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:30 AM, "Bert Wijnen (IETF)"=20
> <bertietf@bwijnen.net <mailto:bertietf@bwijnen.net>>
>   wrote:
>
>> I had similar experiences yday, but in the end, I could login with a=20
>> new (emailed) password, I igniored the _ and use @
>
> Like Bert I was able to get in after getting a new password.  I then=20
> went into the "Profile" link in the lower right corner to set my own=20
> password.
>
> In the profile I was able to see that my user name did use the
> underscore:  "york_isoc.org".   However, I entered my login name with
> the "@" sign and it seems to automagically change it to the "_".
>
> My only suggestion would be to perhaps check a spam/junk folder to see=20
> if the new password message went there.

Trying to reset my password gives: "Sorry, we can't find this user in our d=
atabase.".

Best regards, Julian

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On 2014-07-16 18:27, Mishra, Sanjay wrote:
> Julian -- I had similar issue but I was able to request a password reset by entering my email address (with @ sign). Did you try that?
>
> As Dan pointed out, the user ID however is created with underscore instead of @ sign.

None of this worked for me, but the secretariat in the meantime fixed it.

Best regards, Julian
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On 07/16/2014 07:08 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Linus Nordberg <linus+ietf@nordu.net> wrote:
>> Do you have any more details on that one?
> This is true in general.   The U.S. has successfully claimed the right to search your laptop at the border as well, and it's not realistic to think that you are safe at any border crossing where the government hasn't explicitly said you are (and maybe not even then--sounds fishy!).   So put your sensitive data in an encrypted box online, download it when you get there, and memorize the passphrase that encrypts it so that it's not on your computer when you travel.   Problem solved.

And remember lying is a felony.  Check with Marha Stewart on that one...



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On 07/16/2014 07:09 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:58:32PM +0200, Linus Nordberg wrote:
>> I'm assuming Canada doesn't have anything like the UK law on giving up
>> your pass phrases ("S.53").
> I would not assume anything of the sort.  During the period when you
> are entering Canada, you don't actually have many protections.  The
> status of such passwords is at best unknown.  Canada has certain laws
> about pornographic material that are quite strong, and a border agent
> might insist that you provide a password or have your laptop impounded
> if you are under suspicion.
>
> In general, when crossing an international border, you should assume
> that any contents of your laptop are open to scrutiny.  That said,
> I've never had my laptop looked at by the Canadian border people, and
> for about a year I crossed every other week.

Back in '84 when American Motors was building the plant outside of 
Toronto, I was supporting the controller on the project management. We 
had a plasma screen notebook (one of the 1st decent carriables) and he 
got held up in customs for 3 hours as they figured out what to do with 
such equipment.  It was almost laughable.

'What is that thing, a portable TV? Those cannot be carried in.'

:)

Oh, and if you were carrying a 9" tape with anything on it to the plant, 
you always claimed it was a report that would be printed in the plant on 
Canadian paper...



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On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Robert Moskowitz =
<rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:
> And remember lying is a felony.  Check with Marha Stewart on that =
one...

The point of the protocol I just described is that you don't _have_ to =
lie.   You can legitimately let them search the laptop, and they won't =
find anything, so they won't have a reason to ask you for any keys.   If =
it's out of your possession during the process, you might want to make =
sure they didn't add a bug of some kind, but that's pretty heavy =
paranoia.   If that scenario worries you, the nail polish trick is =
probably worth doing.


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On 07/16/2014 08:37 AM, Hutton, Andrew wrote:
> For UK attendees see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/canada I did not notice anything very unusual.
>
> IETF'ers should note "Take all rubbish with you, and treat any food items with great care to avoid attracting animals to your site" so be careful with the cookie crumbs.

This might be a wise consideration for November.  IEEE 802 wireless 
meets over in Waikoloa and the birds were always attacking the crumbs.  
And watch out about honey for your tea.  One gal got visited by a couple 
bees at breakfast that were interested in her little container of honey.

>
> Andy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sandra Murphy
>> Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
>> To: attendees
>> Cc: Sandra Murphy
>> Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.
>>
>> At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
>> involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
>> helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
>> something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
>> US citizens should know.
>>
>> I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
>> trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
>> geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.
>>
>> Here's the URL:
>> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>>
>> As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:
>>
>> You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
>> items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)
>>
>> You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
>> into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
>> declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
>> firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
>> of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
>> similar.)
>>
>> There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
>> in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
>> eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)
>>
>> Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
>> search at the border.
>>
>> DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
>> how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
>> long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
>> to give you an idea of how they regard this).
>>
>> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
>> expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
>> mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
>> nations may provide similar info for their citizens.
>>
>> --Sandy
>>
>>
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    This might be a wise consideration for November.&nbsp; IEEE 802 wireless
    meets over in Waikoloa and the birds were always attacking the
    crumbs.&nbsp; And watch out about honey for your tea.&nbsp; One gal got
    visited by a couple bees at breakfast that were interested in her
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Sandra Murphy
Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
To: attendees
Cc: Sandra Murphy
Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.

At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
US citizens should know.

I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.

Here's the URL:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html">http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html</a>.

As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:

You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)

You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
similar.)

There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)

Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
search at the border.

DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
to give you an idea of how they regard this).

This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
nations may provide similar info for their citizens.

--Sandy


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      <span style="font-family: Arial;">C:</span><x-tab
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On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Peter Koch <pk@denic.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:00:14AM +0200, Jen Linkova wrote:
> 
>> There is a wiki page for RIPE Atlas distribution on IETF90:
>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ripe_atlas_probes
> 
> before coffee: I've tried to login with my email address and confirmation
> number.  No access; the only odd thing is that being bumped back to the
> login screen, the '@' is substituted by a '_', but still no success with
> the second attempt. 'send new password' doesn't work either.  Anybody
> share my incompetence or otherwise able to provide relief?
> 
> Thanks,
>  Peter

same thing happened to me too.
fixed after I reported the problem
Looks like this has been a general problem...


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Even longer ago, I was on a car trip from Detroit to Waterloo. We had a 
box of punched cards containing software. Customs was hassling us about 
them - wanted to charge us duty or something. We got them off our back 
by telling them that the cards were "used". That seemed to satisfy them. :-)

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 7/16/14 12:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 07/16/2014 07:09 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:58:32PM +0200, Linus Nordberg wrote:
>>> I'm assuming Canada doesn't have anything like the UK law on giving up
>>> your pass phrases ("S.53").
>> I would not assume anything of the sort.  During the period when you
>> are entering Canada, you don't actually have many protections.  The
>> status of such passwords is at best unknown.  Canada has certain laws
>> about pornographic material that are quite strong, and a border agent
>> might insist that you provide a password or have your laptop impounded
>> if you are under suspicion.
>>
>> In general, when crossing an international border, you should assume
>> that any contents of your laptop are open to scrutiny.  That said,
>> I've never had my laptop looked at by the Canadian border people, and
>> for about a year I crossed every other week.
>
> Back in '84 when American Motors was building the plant outside of
> Toronto, I was supporting the controller on the project management. We
> had a plasma screen notebook (one of the 1st decent carriables) and he
> got held up in customs for 3 hours as they figured out what to do with
> such equipment.  It was almost laughable.
>
> 'What is that thing, a portable TV? Those cannot be carried in.'
>
> :)
>
> Oh, and if you were carrying a 9" tape with anything on it to the plant,
> you always claimed it was a report that would be printed in the plant on
> Canadian paper...
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On 7/16/14 11:37 AM, Hutton, Andrew wrote:
> For UK attendees see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/canada I did not notice anything very unusual.
>
> IETF'ers should note "Take all rubbish with you, and treat any food items with great care to avoid attracting animals to your site" so be careful with the cookie crumbs.

This is a concern. If you leave extra cookies lying around in the 
conference rooms they will definitely attract animals. :-)

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Andy
>
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>> Sandra Murphy
>> Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
>> To: attendees
>> Cc: Sandra Murphy
>> Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.
>>
>> At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list
>> involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very
>> helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,
>> something they do for all nations to list special considerations that
>> US citizens should know.
>>
>> I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this
>> trip as well.  Yes, Canada is awfully close to US in things besides
>> geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.
>>
>> Here's the URL:
>> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>>
>> As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:
>>
>> You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having
>> items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab thefts.)
>>
>> You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get
>> into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot to
>> declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a
>> firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark
>> of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
>> similar.)
>>
>> There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included
>> in the "restricted firearms" category.  (You can believe that caught my
>> eye!  No word on that page on what "some" means.)
>>
>> Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to
>> search at the border.
>>
>> DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old or
>> how minor the infraction" means you are excluded from entry, with a
>> long latency exception process (called "approval for rehabilitation",
>> to give you an idea of how they regard this).
>>
>> This is info specifically intended for US citizens and their cultural
>> expectations.  It should be useful for all attendees but may not
>> mention something that other nation's citizens would not expect.  Other
>> nations may provide similar info for their citizens.
>>
>> --Sandy
>>
>>
>
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Yeah, IETF has a lot of wild life.

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yzivat
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] UK Specific info from FCO

On 7/16/14 11:37 AM, Hutton, Andrew wrote:
> For UK attendees see https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/canada I di=
d not notice anything very unusual.
>
> IETF'ers should note "Take all rubbish with you, and treat any food items=
 with great care to avoid attracting animals to your site" so be careful wi=
th the cookie crumbs.

This is a concern. If you leave extra cookies lying around in the conferenc=
e rooms they will definitely attract animals. :-)

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Andy
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20
>> Sandra Murphy
>> Sent: 15 July 2014 20:14
>> To: attendees
>> Cc: Sandra Murphy
>> Subject: [90attendees] Canada specific info from US State Dept.
>>
>> At IETF89 in London, I related an incident on the 89attendees list=20
>> involving confiscation of a penknife at the London Eye.  Someone very=20
>> helpfully posted a pointer to the US State Dept web site for the UK,=20
>> something they do for all nations to list special considerations that=20
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>>
>> I thought that sounded like a great idea, so I looked it up for this=20
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>> geography, but that's not the same as exactly the same.
>>
>> Here's the URL:
>> http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/canada.html.
>>
>> As teasers, here are a few things I spotted that I did not know:
>>
>> You can be fined in Toronto for leaving your car unlocked or having=20
>> items in view. (A reaction to the prevalence of smash-and-grab=20
>> thefts.)
>>
>> You must declare ANY firearms you bring into the country and can get=20
>> into trouble (confiscation, arrest) if they find any that you forgot=20
>> to declare.  There are also forms to fill out if you want to borrow a=20
>> firearm while in the country.  Not that I would do either, but a mark=20
>> of how seriously they consider this.  (For all I know, US laws are
>> similar.)
>>
>> There are three categories of firearms and "some knives" are included=20
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>>
>> Under "pornography", it says computers and cell phones are subject to=20
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>>
>> DUI is a criminal offense.  Any prior conviction "no matter how old=20
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On 07/16/2014 10:43 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> Even longer ago, I was on a car trip from Detroit to Waterloo. We had 
> a box of punched cards containing software. Customs was hassling us 
> about them - wanted to charge us duty or something. We got them off 
> our back by telling them that the cards were "used". That seemed to 
> satisfy them. :-)

Yeah, it would be hard to misdirect them on what was on the cards unless 
you did not print the characters on the top.  Tapes it was easy.  Had 
one fellow that did not know the secret handshake said he was bringing 
the new operating system for the plant's mainframe.  He was held up in 
customs for 6 hours as the plant had to work on import papers for the 
software that they had already paid for including taxes.  He missed out 
on the beer that evening; a real punishment for him.

>
>     Thanks,
>     Paul
>
> On 7/16/14 12:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 07/16/2014 07:09 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:58:32PM +0200, Linus Nordberg wrote:
>>>> I'm assuming Canada doesn't have anything like the UK law on giving up
>>>> your pass phrases ("S.53").
>>> I would not assume anything of the sort.  During the period when you
>>> are entering Canada, you don't actually have many protections.  The
>>> status of such passwords is at best unknown.  Canada has certain laws
>>> about pornographic material that are quite strong, and a border agent
>>> might insist that you provide a password or have your laptop impounded
>>> if you are under suspicion.
>>>
>>> In general, when crossing an international border, you should assume
>>> that any contents of your laptop are open to scrutiny.  That said,
>>> I've never had my laptop looked at by the Canadian border people, and
>>> for about a year I crossed every other week.
>>
>> Back in '84 when American Motors was building the plant outside of
>> Toronto, I was supporting the controller on the project management. We
>> had a plasma screen notebook (one of the 1st decent carriables) and he
>> got held up in customs for 3 hours as they figured out what to do with
>> such equipment.  It was almost laughable.
>>
>> 'What is that thing, a portable TV? Those cannot be carried in.'
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Oh, and if you were carrying a 9" tape with anything on it to the plant,
>> you always claimed it was a report that would be printed in the plant on
>> Canadian paper...
>>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/16/2014 10:43 AM, Paul Kyzivat
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:53C6B9C6.9050400@alum.mit.edu" type="cite">Even
      longer ago, I was on a car trip from Detroit to Waterloo. We had a
      box of punched cards containing software. Customs was hassling us
      about them - wanted to charge us duty or something. We got them
      off our back by telling them that the cards were "used". That
      seemed to satisfy them. :-)
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Yeah, it would be hard to misdirect them on what was on the cards
    unless you did not print the characters on the top.&nbsp; Tapes it was
    easy.&nbsp; Had one fellow that did not know the secret handshake said he
    was bringing the new operating system for the plant's mainframe.&nbsp; He
    was held up in customs for 6 hours as the plant had to work on
    import papers for the software that they had already paid for
    including taxes.&nbsp; He missed out on the beer that evening; a real
    punishment for him.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:53C6B9C6.9050400@alum.mit.edu" type="cite">
      <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks,
      <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Paul
      <br>
      <br>
      On 7/16/14 12:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
        On 07/16/2014 07:09 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:58:32PM
          +0200, Linus Nordberg wrote:
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">I'm assuming Canada doesn't have
            anything like the UK law on giving up
            <br>
            your pass phrases ("S.53").
            <br>
          </blockquote>
          I would not assume anything of the sort.&nbsp; During the period
          when you
          <br>
          are entering Canada, you don't actually have many
          protections.&nbsp; The
          <br>
          status of such passwords is at best unknown.&nbsp; Canada has
          certain laws
          <br>
          about pornographic material that are quite strong, and a
          border agent
          <br>
          might insist that you provide a password or have your laptop
          impounded
          <br>
          if you are under suspicion.
          <br>
          <br>
          In general, when crossing an international border, you should
          assume
          <br>
          that any contents of your laptop are open to scrutiny.&nbsp; That
          said,
          <br>
          I've never had my laptop looked at by the Canadian border
          people, and
          <br>
          for about a year I crossed every other week.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        Back in '84 when American Motors was building the plant outside
        of
        <br>
        Toronto, I was supporting the controller on the project
        management. We
        <br>
        had a plasma screen notebook (one of the 1st decent carriables)
        and he
        <br>
        got held up in customs for 3 hours as they figured out what to
        do with
        <br>
        such equipment.&nbsp; It was almost laughable.
        <br>
        <br>
        'What is that thing, a portable TV? Those cannot be carried in.'
        <br>
        <br>
        :)
        <br>
        <br>
        Oh, and if you were carrying a 9" tape with anything on it to
        the plant,
        <br>
        you always claimed it was a report that would be printed in the
        plant on
        <br>
        Canadian paper...
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
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      <span style="font-family: Arial;">
        Security &amp; Standards</span><br style="font-family: Arial;">
      <span style="font-family: Arial;">
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      <span style="font-family: Arial;">C:</span><x-tab
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Reminds me of the time my family and I were visiting the Zoo in San
Diego.  At one point there was a sign saying "Primate Education Center"...

It was pointing to the high school, which was adjacent to the zoo.

  Bill

On 16/07/2014 1:45 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:

> 
> This is a concern. If you leave extra cookies lying around in the
> conference rooms they will definitely attract animals. :-)
> 


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I know some people from the US are driving to Canada.  If you have =
global entry, you can use your actual RFID card when crossing the land =
border returning to the US.  Bring it along.  (also, i hope you =
remembered to activate it when they sent it to you).  When driving up to =
the customs booth to return to the US there is a large antenna and =
number that will count up based on the number of GE/Nexus/Fast/Sentri =
cards you have.  When it has read your card then drive up to the booth.  =
If it's just you, it should be a much shorter talk with the agent.

If you want to apply for Nexus while at IETF you can do the interviews =
at the airport. Nexus is $50 (USD/CAD) and you apply at the same =
website.   Assuming you are provisionally approved, and finally =
approved, you can automatically apply for global entry (normally $100) =
for "free".=20

Nexus/GE also get you access to TSA Pre lanes if your airline support =
them and you provide your proper name/birtdate and GE/Nexus number in =
the Known Traveller Number field in your reservation.

Not many people I know with GE carry those cards, but this is the place =
where they're the most useful (if you drive to/from Canada).

Don't forget them if you want a bit less of a hassle.

- Jared=


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 01:52:32PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
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> Don't forget them if you want a bit less of a hassle.

Also, however, don't forget that if any one person in your car doesn't
have the card, you MUST NOT use the Nexus/GE lane.  Similarly, if you
have anything to declare and so on, you'd better make sure you've
declared correctly, because if you make any mistake you can lose your
card.

It's also worth knowing that the Whirlpool Bridge in Niagara Falls is
NEXUS-only.  With a little bit of awkwardness, it connects to the 420,
which connects to the QEW, which connects to the Gardner Expressway,
which is what takes you to the Fairmont Royal York.

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>
> I know some people from the US are driving to Canada.  If you have global
entry, you can use your actual RFID card when crossing the land border
returning to the US.

If everyone in the car holds GE/Nexus there are express lanes at most
bridges. The Whirlpool Bridge, located just north of the usual Niagara
Falls crossing, is Nexus-only and NEVER has lineups.

> If you want to apply for Nexus while at IETF you can do the interviews at
the airport. Nexus is $50 (USD/CAD) and you apply at the same website.
Assuming you are provisionally approved, and finally approved, you can
automatically apply for global entry (normally $100) for "free".

Won't work (at least not that fast). Applying for Nexus requires an
appointment where you're interviewed by both Canada and US customs. The
Toronto airport interview centre is backed up about three months, though
the interview centre at Fort Erie (on the Canadian side of the land border
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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Jul 16, 2014 1:51 PM, &quot;Jared Mauch&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jare=
d@puck.nether.net">jared@puck.nether.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I know some people from the US are driving to Canada. =C2=A0If you hav=
e global entry, you can use your actual RFID card when crossing the land bo=
rder returning to the US.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">If everyone in the car holds GE/Nexus there are express lane=
s at most bridges. The Whirlpool Bridge, located just north of the usual Ni=
agara Falls crossing, is Nexus-only and NEVER has lineups. <br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt; If you want to apply for Nexus while at IETF you can do=
 the interviews at the airport. Nexus is $50 (USD/CAD) and you apply at the=
 same website. =C2=A0 Assuming you are provisionally approved, and finally =
approved, you can automatically apply for global entry (normally $100) for =
&quot;free&quot;.</p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">Won&#39;t work (at least not that fast). Applying for Nexus =
requires an appointment where you&#39;re interviewed by both Canada and US =
customs. The Toronto airport interview centre is backed up about three mont=
hs, though the interview centre at Fort Erie (on the Canadian side of the l=
and border at Buffalo) is less busy. <br>

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On 07/16/2014 01:52 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> I know some people from the US are driving to Canada.  If you have 
> global entry, you can use your actual RFID card when crossing the 
> land border returning to the US.  Bring it along.  (also, i hope you 
> remembered to activate it when they sent it to you).  When driving
> up to the customs booth to return to the US there is a large antenna
> and number that will count up based on the number of
> GE/Nexus/Fast/Sentri cards you have.  When it has read your card then
> drive up to the booth.  If it's just you, it should be a much shorter
> talk with the agent.

Thanks for this, am driving over on Saturday - had a couple of questions
since the last time I tried this:

- do you also need to pre-register your car ? I seem to recall something
  about this being needed but maybe got confused in amongst the huge
  jungle of GE/Nexus/Fast/Sentri documents..

- the car lines for the border booths were such a scrum it was kind of
  hard to figure out which lane was for GE, and to maneuver into it in
  enough time :-( Any tips on how to get ahead of that game ?

> Nexus/GE also get you access to TSA Pre lanes if your airline
> support them and you provide your proper name/birtdate and GE/Nexus
> number in the Known Traveller Number field in your reservation.

And IME, then wait 2 years...

> Not many people I know with GE carry those cards, but this is the 
> place where they're the most useful (if you drive to/from Canada).

Cool, appreciate the tips :-)

Keith


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 02:07:46PM -0400, Keith Mitchell wrote:
> - do you also need to pre-register your car ?

Not any more, no.

> - the car lines for the border booths were such a scrum it was kind of
>   hard to figure out which lane was for GE, and to maneuver into it in
>   enough time :-( Any tips on how to get ahead of that game ?

Not really.  You generally want to look for _any_ special-access sign,
because they all generally boil down to the same thing.  NEXUS is
often what you are looking for, not Global Entry.  Also, the signs are
often tiny.  

A

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Is parking facility awareness of motorcycles a thing in Toronto like
it is, say, in San Francisco?  Wondering if I should try to find a
local commercial garage that discounts for them, or just suck it up
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>- do you also need to pre-register your car ? I seem to recall something
>  about this being needed but maybe got confused in amongst the huge
>  jungle of GE/Nexus/Fast/Sentri documents..

No, that's SENTRI on the Mexican border.  I've gone through in rented
cars, no problem.

>- the car lines for the border booths were such a scrum it was kind of
>  hard to figure out which lane was for GE, and to maneuver into it in
>  enough time :-( Any tips on how to get ahead of that game ?

If you have a NEXUS card, take the Whirlpool Bridge which is always
fast.  (Added wrinkle: the toll is collected automatically, you need
an E-ZPass or a local toll account to pay.)  Andrew or I can give you
directions if you need them.

Otherwise, look at the CBSA's web site to see whether the Rainbow or
Queenston bridge has shorter lines.  If the line is at all long,
you're in the same line as everyone else until the last two minutes
when the traffic spreads out to the separate lanes.  The NEXUS lane is
usually on the far left.

If you're flying, a NEXUS card lets you fly through Canadian customs,
a Global Entry card is only good coming back.


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I have a US to EU plug converter... Will it also work from CA to EU ? Or
do I also need to buy this vAdapter?

:-)

On 16/07/14 17:32, "Jamal Hadi Salim" <hadi@mojatatu.com> wrote:

>On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
>wrote:
>> I will arrange for a US-CA power adapter in every room for you in
>>advance.
>> Please remit payment of $50 USD for this service.
>>
>
>Sounds like a rip off to me. The Igloo down the street has them at $1
>each.
>
>cheers,
>jamal
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>> Jared Mauch
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the hotel
>> supply them?
>>
>>
>>
>>                                                             -- Mike
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Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric G.=
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Anyway, is there:

  *   any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
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I'm not a pilot yet, but working toward it. Mailing lost could be good.

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As you would expect, there is an extensive control zone around Toronto so e=
xpect to be positively controlled if you are doing some sightseeing over mu=
ch of the city. Fortunately there is a fair amount of leeway over the downt=
own core as it is off of the main approach vectors for Toronto Pearson and =
a couple of routes under the terminal zone if you are transiting north to s=
outh or along the lake.  YTZ (=93the island=94) is a good choice for the re=
ntal as it will give you a natural sightseeing route around the downtown co=
re including the CN Tower which is adjacent to the airport. The circuit alt=
itude is roughly 1/2 the height of the tower, around the height of the rest=
aurant level, which is actually inside the circuit when landing to the east=
. You can find advisory information at http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/F=
or-Pilots.aspx.

Enjoy!


From: "Adam W. Montville" <adam.w.montville@gmail.com<mailto:adam.w.montvil=
le@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com<mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>>
Cc: "90attendees@ietf.org<mailto:90attendees@ietf.org>" <90attendees@ietf.o=
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] Any other private pilot at the IETF?

I'm not a pilot yet, but working toward it. Mailing lost could be good.

On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:25 PM, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com<mai=
lto:evyncke@cisco.com>> wrote:

Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric G.=
 flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))

Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but others c=
onsider as magic :-)

Anyway, is there:

 *   any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
 *   Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked =
a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North =
America =85)

-=E9ric

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ately there is a fair amount of leeway over the downtown core as it is off =
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is really close to engineering: something we understand but others consider=
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ETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?</li><li>Any tips to have 1 =
hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked a C172 for one hour (dua=
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I no longer live in the area and haven=92t flown in Ontario in a number of =
years, but I did my basic training for both my power and glider rating in t=
he area years ago and flew a couple of hundred hours there.  The most popul=
ar tours in the area are downtown Toronto (specially around sunset) which i=
s very easy if you are based at YTZ and flight over niagara falls.  After t=
hese two, you have to go a bit further to have interesting sights to see. I=
 really liked going north to various airports along Lake Huron and/or Manit=
oulin island and  If you have float experience there are tons of lakes to e=
xplore north of Toronto.

In a 172, a one hour flight will only get you tour of downtown Toronto thou=
gh.  Niagara falls will probably be 2 hour tach time and Lake Huron and bey=
ond will be more like 3 hours or more depending how far you go.

Let me know if you need additional info.


Cheers,
Morteza

From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com<mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>>
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM
To: "90attendees@ietf.org<mailto:90attendees@ietf.org>" <90attendees@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:90attendees@ietf.org>>
Subject: [90attendees] Any other private pilot at the IETF?

Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric G.=
 flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))

Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but others c=
onsider as magic :-)

Anyway, is there:

  *   any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
  *   Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked=
 a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North=
 America =85)

-=E9ric


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<div>I no longer live in the area and haven=92t flown in Ontario in a numbe=
r of years, but I did my basic training for both my power and glider rating=
 in the area years ago and flew a couple of hundred hours there. &nbsp;The =
most popular tours in the area are downtown
 Toronto (specially around sunset) which is very easy if you are based at Y=
TZ and flight over niagara falls. &nbsp;After these two, you have to go a b=
it further to have interesting sights to see. I really liked going north to=
 various airports along Lake Huron and/or
 Manitoulin island and &nbsp;If you have float experience there are tons of=
 lakes to explore north of Toronto.</div>
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<div>In a 172, a one hour flight will only get you tour of downtown Toronto=
 though. &nbsp;Niagara falls will probably be 2 hour tach time and Lake Hur=
on and beyond will be more like 3 hours or more depending how far you go.</=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 1=
:25 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:90atten=
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y: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<div>Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Er=
ic G. flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but oth=
ers consider as magic :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway, is there:</div>
<ul>
<li>any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?</li><li>Any tips t=
o have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked a C172 for one =
hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North America =85)</l=
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:39:33AM -0700, Lixia Zhang wrote:

> same thing happened to me too.
> fixed after I reported the problem

same here now. Thanks to everybody for providing additional
data points and for sharing the ride.  I've added my probes ...

-Peter


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I am a helicopter pilot.  Not flying to Toronto on this trip, but I have an=
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oss-border flight before next week.

Jeff


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Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric G.=
 flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))

Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but others c=
onsider as magic :-)

Anyway, is there:

  *   any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
  *   Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked=
 a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North=
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-=E9ric


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>Where can I get one? Is there some place at the airport?

At a phone store. As far as I can tell there are no SIMs at the airport.

>Are there roaming fees for US SIM cards in Canada?

In most cases yes, quote expensive ones.

The Canadian mobile market is notably uncompetitive.  The providers
are Rogers/Fido, Telus, and Bell/Virgin.  All seem to charge $30 for a
gigabyte.  Bell and Rogers both have stores at 200 Bay St, around the
corner from the Royal York, but neither is open on Sunday.

R's,
John


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On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
wrote:

> I have a US to EU plug converter... Will it also work from CA to EU ? Or
> do I also need to buy this vAdapter?


While it will work, you run the risk of being ticketed by the same police
making their salaries ticketing jaywalkers. So I suggest you go with the
Igloo $1ca option (sorry Jared, but I don't see that your adapters are ca
certified...).


> :-)


;-)

Chris.


> On 16/07/14 17:32, "Jamal Hadi Salim" <hadi@mojatatu.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net
> <javascript:;>>
> >wrote:
> >> I will arrange for a US-CA power adapter in every room for you in
> >>advance.
> >> Please remit payment of $50 USD for this service.
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like a rip off to me. The Igloo down the street has them at $1
> >each.
> >
> >cheers,
> >jamal
> >
> >> Jared Mauch
> >>
> >> On Jul 15, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters?  Or might the hote=
l
> >> supply them?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                                                             -- Mike
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<br><br>On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:evyncke@cisco.com">evyncke@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
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I have a US to EU plug converter... Will it also work from CA to EU ? Or<br=
>
do I also need to buy this vAdapter?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>While =
it will work, you run the risk of being ticketed by the same police making =
their salaries ticketing jaywalkers. So I suggest you go with the Igloo $1c=
a option (sorry Jared, but I don&#39;t see that your adapters are ca certif=
ied...).<span></span></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
:-)</blockquote><div><br></div><div>;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Chris.<spa=
n></span></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 16/07/14 17:32, &quot;Jamal Hadi Salim&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;=
" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;hadi@mojatatu.com&#39;)">hadi@m=
ojatatu.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jared Mauch &lt;<a href=3D"javascript=
:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;jared@puck.nether.net&#39;)">=
jared@puck.nether.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I will arrange for a US-CA power adapter in every room for you in<=
br>
&gt;&gt;advance.<br>
&gt;&gt; Please remit payment of $50 USD for this service.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Sounds like a rip off to me. The Igloo down the street has them at $1<b=
r>
&gt;each.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;cheers,<br>
&gt;jamal<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Jared Mauch<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Jul 15, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Mike Jones &lt;<a href=3D"javascript=
:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;Michael.Jones@microsoft.com&#=
39;)">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Where can I purchase US to Canadian power adapters? =C2=A0Or might=
 the hotel<br>
&gt;&gt; supply them?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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What about mobilicity?

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On July 16, 2014 11:04:46 PM ietf@johnlevine.com wrote:

> >Where can I get one? Is there some place at the airport?
>
> At a phone store. As far as I can tell there are no SIMs at the airport.
>
> >Are there roaming fees for US SIM cards in Canada?
>
> In most cases yes, quote expensive ones.
>
> The Canadian mobile market is notably uncompetitive.  The providers
> are Rogers/Fido, Telus, and Bell/Virgin.  All seem to charge $30 for a
> gigabyte.  Bell and Rogers both have stores at 200 Bay St, around the
> corner from the Royal York, but neither is open on Sunday.
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In article <1474226d150.27a7.5a1d1bdee27635000a29d0998e569e78@lacnic.net> you write:
>What about mobilicity?

I dug a little more; they will sell you a SIM, but they operate on
1700/2100 GHz, newly allocated bands which many phones don't handle.

If yours does, give them a try.


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Hi,
Wind Mobile and Mobilicity run on AWS (1700/2100) and are the only one to o=
ffer cheap/unlimited data on HSPA+ (no LTE). Wind, arguably, has better cov=
erage than Mobilicity but still is not that great, especially indoors. T-Mo=
bile (USA) used to operate on the same frequency so any unlocked T-Mobile p=
hones should work with Wind/Mobilicity. Nexus 4/5 and newer iPhones also su=
pport AWS band.=20

Other option is Fido/Roger, Telus/Koodo, and Bell/Virgin, all of which offe=
r pretty much the exact same plan at the same price ($30 for 1GB LTE). Most=
 US/Euro phones should be able to support these carriers.

Regards,
Faisal

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In article <1474226d150.27a7.5a1d1bdee27635000a29d0998e569e78@lacnic.net> y=
ou write:
>What about mobilicity?

I dug a little more; they will sell you a SIM, but they operate on
1700/2100 GHz, newly allocated bands which many phones don't handle.

If yours does, give them a try.

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>> Are there roaming fees for US SIM cards in Canada?

Not if you're on a T-Mobile US pay monthly contract. It's possible this
may even be a better deal than you can get from the local Canadian carriers.

Keith


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I'm a US commercial pilot, and I've already contacted a club on City Center
airport about renting something for a tour.  I'll get full details and
report back soon.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
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>  Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric
> G. flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))
>
>  Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but
> others consider as magic :-)
>
>  Anyway, is there:
>
>    - any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
>    - Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively
>    booked a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not val=
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>    North America =E2=80=A6)
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>  -=C3=A9ric
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m a US commercial pilot, and I&#39;ve already contac=
ted a club on City Center airport about renting something for a tour.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;ll get full details and report back soon.<br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Eric Vy=
ncke (evyncke) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evyncke@cisco.com" t=
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<div>Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Er=
ic G. flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but oth=
ers consider as magic :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway, is there:</div>
<ul>
<li>any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF&#39;ers pilots?</li><li>Any ti=
ps to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked a C172 for =
one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North America =E2=
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Positive control is positively fine with me.  I think just about every
sightseeing flight I've ever done anywhere has involved some of that.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Walter Miron <Walter.Miron@telus.com>
wrote:

> As you would expect, there is an extensive control zone around Toronto so
> expect to be positively controlled if you are doing some sightseeing over
> much of the city. Fortunately there is a fair amount of leeway over the
> downtown core as it is off of the main approach vectors for Toronto Pears=
on
> and a couple of routes under the terminal zone if you are transiting nort=
h
> to south or along the lake.  YTZ (=E2=80=9Cthe island=E2=80=9D) is a good=
 choice for the
> rental as it will give you a natural sightseeing route around the downtow=
n
> core including the CN Tower which is adjacent to the airport. The circuit
> altitude is roughly 1/2 the height of the tower, around the height of the
> restaurant level, which is actually inside the circuit when landing to th=
e
> east. You can find advisory information at
> http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilots.aspx.
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> From: "Adam W. Montville" <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM
> To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
> Cc: "90attendees@ietf.org" <90attendees@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [90attendees] Any other private pilot at the IETF?
>
> I'm not a pilot yet, but working toward it. Mailing lost could be good.
>
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:25 PM, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric
> G. flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))
>
> Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand but others
> consider as magic :-)
>
> Anyway, is there:
>
>    - any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
>    - Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively
>    booked a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not val=
id in
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Positive control is positively fine with me.=C2=A0 I think=
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ed some of that.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Walter Miron <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:Walter.Miron@telus.com" target=3D"_blank">Walter.Miron@telus.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div>As you would expect, there is an ext=
ensive control zone around Toronto so expect to be positively controlled if=
 you are doing some sightseeing over much of the city. Fortunately there is=
 a fair amount of leeway over the downtown core as it is off of the main ap=
proach vectors for Toronto Pearson and a couple of routes under the termina=
l zone if you are transiting north to south or along the lake. =C2=A0YTZ (=
=E2=80=9Cthe island=E2=80=9D) is a good choice for the rental as it will gi=
ve you a natural sightseeing route around the downtown core including the C=
N Tower which is adjacent to the airport. The circuit altitude is roughly 1=
/2 the height of the tower, around the height of the restaurant level, whic=
h is actually inside the circuit when landing to the east. You can find adv=
isory information at <a href=3D"http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilo=
ts.aspx" target=3D"_blank">http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilots.as=
px</a>. =C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Enjoy!</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin=
:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span> &quot;Adam W. Montville&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">adam.=
w.montville@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </s=
pan> Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span> &quot;Eric Vyncke (evyncke)&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evyncke@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">evyncke@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">90attendees@ietf.org</a>=
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ndees@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [90attendees] Any oth=
er private pilot at the IETF?<br></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></di=
v><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I&#39;m not a pilot yet, but working toward i=
t. Mailing lost could be good.</div>
<div><br>On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:25 PM, &quot;Eric Vyncke (evyncke)&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:evyncke@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">evyncke@cisco.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Just a broad=
 question: how many of us are private pilots? (I notice Eric G. flying on a=
 light aircraft to CYTZ :-))=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Flying is really close to engineering: something we und=
erstand but others consider as magic :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, i=
s there:</div><ul><li>any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF&#39;ers pilo=
ts?</li>
<li>Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have tentatively booked a=
 C172 for one hour (dual-command as my EASA license is not valid in North A=
merica =E2=80=A6)</li></ul><div><br></div><div>-=C3=A9ric</div><br></div></=
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I got my wings at YTZ, probably in 1964, long before it had regular
scheduled service.  I have not flown (as a pilot) for many years, but
would be interested to share the cost of a sightseeing "tour" around
Toronto, if the timing works out.

  Bill


On 17/07/2014 3:53 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> Positive control is positively fine with me.  I think just about every
> sightseeing flight I've ever done anywhere has involved some of that.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Walter Miron <Walter.Miron@telus.com
> <mailto:Walter.Miron@telus.com>> wrote:
>
>     As you would expect, there is an extensive control zone around
>     Toronto so expect to be positively controlled if you are doing
>     some sightseeing over much of the city. Fortunately there is a
>     fair amount of leeway over the downtown core as it is off of the
>     main approach vectors for Toronto Pearson and a couple of routes
>     under the terminal zone if you are transiting north to south or
>     along the lake.  YTZ ("the island") is a good choice for the
>     rental as it will give you a natural sightseeing route around the
>     downtown core including the CN Tower which is adjacent to the
>     airport. The circuit altitude is roughly 1/2 the height of the
>     tower, around the height of the restaurant level, which is
>     actually inside the circuit when landing to the east. You can find
>     advisory information at
>     http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilots.aspx.   
>
>     Enjoy!
>
>     *
>     *
>
>
>     From: "Adam W. Montville" <adam.w.montville@gmail.com
>     <mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com>>
>     Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM
>     To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com
>     <mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>>
>     Cc: "90attendees@ietf.org <mailto:90attendees@ietf.org>"
>     <90attendees@ietf.org <mailto:90attendees@ietf.org>>
>     Subject: Re: [90attendees] Any other private pilot at the IETF?
>
>     I'm not a pilot yet, but working toward it. Mailing lost could be
>     good.
>
>     On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:25 PM, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)"
>     <evyncke@cisco.com <mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>>     Just a broad question: how many of us are private pilots? (I
>>     notice Eric G. flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-)) 
>>
>>     Flying is really close to engineering: something we understand
>>     but others consider as magic :-)
>>
>>     Anyway, is there:
>>
>>       * any IETF dedicated mailing list for IETF'ers pilots?
>>       * Any tips to have 1 hour flight around CYTZ? I have
>>         tentatively booked a C172 for one hour (dual-command as my
>>         EASA license is not valid in North America ...)
>>
>>
>>     -éric
>>
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    I got my wings at YTZ, probably in 1964, long before it had regular
    scheduled service.&nbsp; I have not flown (as a pilot) for many years,
    but would be interested to share the cost of a sightseeing "tour"
    around Toronto, if the timing works out.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp; Bill<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/2014 3:53 PM, Murray S.
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      <div dir="ltr">Positive control is positively fine with me.&nbsp; I
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                  <div>As you would expect, there is an extensive
                    control zone around Toronto so expect to be
                    positively controlled if you are doing some
                    sightseeing over much of the city. Fortunately there
                    is a fair amount of leeway over the downtown core as
                    it is off of the main approach vectors for Toronto
                    Pearson and a couple of routes under the terminal
                    zone if you are transiting north to south or along
                    the lake. &nbsp;YTZ (&#8220;the island&#8221;) is a good choice for
                    the rental as it will give you a natural sightseeing
                    route around the downtown core including the CN
                    Tower which is adjacent to the airport. The circuit
                    altitude is roughly 1/2 the height of the tower,
                    around the height of the restaurant level, which is
                    actually inside the circuit when landing to the
                    east. You can find advisory information at <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilots.aspx"
                      target="_blank">http://www.torontoport.com/Airport/For-Pilots.aspx</a>.
                    &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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                  <div>Enjoy!</div>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> "Adam W.
                  Montville" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    target="_blank">adam.w.montville@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
                  Wednesday, July 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM<br>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "Eric
                  Vyncke (evyncke)" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:
                  [90attendees] Any other private pilot at the IETF?<br>
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                        <div>I'm not a pilot yet, but working toward it.
                          Mailing lost could be good.</div>
                        <div><br>
                          On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:25 PM, "Eric Vyncke
                          (evyncke)" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:evyncke@cisco.com"
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                            <div>Just a broad question: how many of us
                              are private pilots? (I notice Eric G.
                              flying on a light aircraft to CYTZ :-))&nbsp;</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Flying is really close to engineering:
                              something we understand but others
                              consider as magic :-)</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Anyway, is there:</div>
                            <ul>
                              <li>any IETF dedicated mailing list for
                                IETF'ers pilots?</li>
                              <li>Any tips to have 1 hour flight around
                                CYTZ? I have tentatively booked a C172
                                for one hour (dual-command as my EASA
                                license is not valid in North America &#8230;)</li>
                            </ul>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>-&eacute;ric</div>
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For those of you on AT&T or Vz, then yes, yes there are. :) fwiw my AT&T ph=
one seems to love Rogers, but can't get an lte connection; disabling lte th=
o at least lets the phone register on the network for voice and get a 3G co=
nnection.=20

Cheers
Sarah

On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, "Keith Mitchell" <keith@dns-oarc.net> wrote:

>>> Are there roaming fees for US SIM cards in Canada?
>=20
> Not if you're on a T-Mobile US pay monthly contract. It's possible this
> may even be a better deal than you can get from the local Canadian carrie=
rs.
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> Keith
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I am wondering is there a "slight discount from the Web site " as written i=
n to link below? I see the one trip ticket is 27.95 on the payment page.

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Will (Shucheng LIU)


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> Le 2014-07-14 09:18, Ludwig Seitz a =E9crit :
> > a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown
> > from the airport?
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> There are very good instructions on the wiki:
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Thanks for the info, I ended up getting the Fido $15 plan (to get unlimited=
 international SMS) with 1GB data for an additional $30,  http://www.fido.c=
a/web/page/portal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?forwardTo=3DprepaidPlans&service=3Drate=
s
You have to pay an additional $10 for the SIM card.

They seem to have booths in most shopping centers.

     B=F6rje =20


> 16 jul 2014 kl. 23:46 skrev "Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal)" <faiqbal@cisco.com>:
>=20
> Hi,
> Wind Mobile and Mobilicity run on AWS (1700/2100) and are the only one to=
 offer cheap/unlimited data on HSPA+ (no LTE). Wind, arguably, has better c=
overage than Mobilicity but still is not that great, especially indoors. T-=
Mobile (USA) used to operate on the same frequency so any unlocked T-Mobile=
 phones should work with Wind/Mobilicity. Nexus 4/5 and newer iPhones also =
support AWS band.=20
>=20
> Other option is Fido/Roger, Telus/Koodo, and Bell/Virgin, all of which of=
fer pretty much the exact same plan at the same price ($30 for 1GB LTE). Mo=
st US/Euro phones should be able to support these carriers.
>=20
> Regards,
> Faisal
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> In article <1474226d150.27a7.5a1d1bdee27635000a29d0998e569e78@lacnic.net>=
 you write:
>> What about mobilicity?
>=20
> I dug a little more; they will sell you a SIM, but they operate on
> 1700/2100 GHz, newly allocated bands which many phones don't handle.
>=20
> If yours does, give them a try.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> B=F6rje Ohlman
> Sent: Freitag, 18. Juli 2014 12:22
> To: Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal)
> Cc: 90attendees@ietf.org; ietf@johnlevine.com; carlos@lacnic.net
> Subject: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation?
>=20
> Thanks for the info, I ended up getting the Fido $15 plan (to get unlimit=
ed
> international SMS) with 1GB data for an additional $30,
> http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?forwardTo=3Dprepai
> dPlans&service=3Drates
> You have to pay an additional $10 for the SIM card.
>=20
> They seem to have booths in most shopping centers.
>=20
>      B=F6rje
>=20
>=20
> > 16 jul 2014 kl. 23:46 skrev "Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal)" <faiqbal@cisco.com=
>:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Wind Mobile and Mobilicity run on AWS (1700/2100) and are the only one
> to offer cheap/unlimited data on HSPA+ (no LTE). Wind, arguably, has bett=
er
> coverage than Mobilicity but still is not that great, especially indoors.=
 T-
> Mobile (USA) used to operate on the same frequency so any unlocked T-
> Mobile phones should work with Wind/Mobilicity. Nexus 4/5 and newer
> iPhones also support AWS band.
> >
> > Other option is Fido/Roger, Telus/Koodo, and Bell/Virgin, all of which =
offer
> pretty much the exact same plan at the same price ($30 for 1GB LTE). Most
> US/Euro phones should be able to support these carriers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Faisal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> ietf@johnlevine.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:51 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation?
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> > In article
> <1474226d150.27a7.5a1d1bdee27635000a29d0998e569e78@lacnic.net> you
> write:
> >> What about mobilicity?
> >
> > I dug a little more; they will sell you a SIM, but they operate on
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> >
> > If yours does, give them a try.
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation?
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For anyone looking to do just voice and SMS - 7eleven sim cards
are still the best.

http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/prepaid-cellphones

cheers,
jamal

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> wr=
ote:
> http://www.onezone.ca/
>
> Dirk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> B=C3=B6rje Ohlman
>> Sent: Freitag, 18. Juli 2014 12:22
>> To: Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal)
>> Cc: 90attendees@ietf.org; ietf@johnlevine.com; carlos@lacnic.net
>> Subject: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation?
>>
>> Thanks for the info, I ended up getting the Fido $15 plan (to get unlimi=
ted
>> international SMS) with 1GB data for an additional $30,
>> http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?forwardTo=3Dprepai
>> dPlans&service=3Drates
>> You have to pay an additional $10 for the SIM card.
>>
>> They seem to have booths in most shopping centers.
>>
>>      B=C3=B6rje
>>
>>
>> > 16 jul 2014 kl. 23:46 skrev "Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal)" <faiqbal@cisco.co=
m>:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > Wind Mobile and Mobilicity run on AWS (1700/2100) and are the only one
>> to offer cheap/unlimited data on HSPA+ (no LTE). Wind, arguably, has bet=
ter
>> coverage than Mobilicity but still is not that great, especially indoors=
. T-
>> Mobile (USA) used to operate on the same frequency so any unlocked T-
>> Mobile phones should work with Wind/Mobilicity. Nexus 4/5 and newer
>> iPhones also support AWS band.
>> >
>> > Other option is Fido/Roger, Telus/Koodo, and Bell/Virgin, all of which=
 offer
>> pretty much the exact same plan at the same price ($30 for 1GB LTE). Mos=
t
>> US/Euro phones should be able to support these carriers.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Faisal
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> ietf@johnlevine.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:51 PM
>> > To: 90attendees@ietf.org
>> > Cc: carlos@lacnic.net
>> > Subject: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation?
>> >
>> > In article
>> <1474226d150.27a7.5a1d1bdee27635000a29d0998e569e78@lacnic.net> you
>> write:
>> >> What about mobilicity?
>> >
>> > I dug a little more; they will sell you a SIM, but they operate on
>> > 1700/2100 GHz, newly allocated bands which many phones don't handle.
>> >
>> > If yours does, give them a try.
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In article <C9B5F12337F6F841B35C404CF0554ACB5FF4CEFC@SZXEMA509-MBS.china.huawei.com> you write:
>I am wondering is there a "slight discount from the Web site " as written in to link below? I see the one
>trip ticket is 27.95 on the payment page.

That's the price, or $42 for a round trip.

If price is an issue and you don't have a lot of luggage, take the TTC bus for $3.

R's,
John


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On 2014.07.16. 23:22, Peter Koch wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:39:33AM -0700, Lixia Zhang wrote:
> 
>> same thing happened to me too.
>> fixed after I reported the problem
> 
> same here now. Thanks to everybody for providing additional
> data points and for sharing the ride.  I've added my probes ...
> 
> -Peter

Still doesn't work for me. @ or _, login or password reminder, it says my
user doesn't exist...

Robert


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Hi,

if anyone is local to Toronto or otherwise knowledgable about the =
restaurants, I could use a recommendation for a restaurant with a =
private dining room for about 20-30 people. A single boardroom setup is =
preferred, since this is a working dinner where we will need to have one =
single conversation around the table.

(I've tried Momofuku, Marben, Edulis and The Chase, but they are either =
too small or booked on Wed Jul 23.)

Thanks,
Lars

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Hey,=20

I've been to a number of larger group dinners at Joe Badali's and the food
is always decent and they have room to accommodate those numbers in a
private room.=20

http://www.joebadalis.com/


Tyler.=20

On 2014-07-18, 4:45 PM, "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>if anyone is local to Toronto or otherwise knowledgable about the
>restaurants, I could use a recommendation for a restaurant with a private
>dining room for about 20-30 people. A single boardroom setup is
>preferred, since this is a working dinner where we will need to have one
>single conversation around the table.
>
>(I've tried Momofuku, Marben, Edulis and The Chase, but they are either
>too small or booked on Wed Jul 23.)
>
>Thanks,
>Lars




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Hi,

some of us from the RIPE NCC will be bringing RIPE ATLAS probes
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I wanted to welcome you all to the meeting that is starting on Sunday. =
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All,

The Toronto Honda Indy is in town this weekend (July 18-20, 2104) which may
add to the things you can do, but will also mean additional clutter on the
roads when attempting to come into the city from the west side until late
Sunday night (which includes airport).  In this case, bus and taxi options
will be impacted.  They have partially closed Lakeshore road for this event
which is one of the main arteries that feed the city from the west.

However, if you like racing, or the events that surround it -
http://www.hondaindytoronto.com/

regards,

Victor K


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> >a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown from
> >the airport?
> >
> >I'd like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.
>
>
> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90#airport_transportation
>
> I added the section in the wiki about the local TTC bus and subway.
> It's eminently practical so long as you are able to carry your luggage
> up or down a flight of stairs, and it's only $3.  The TTC #192 bus
> runs every ten minutes or less, every day.
>
> If you have more luggage than that, the airport express bus is $28 one
> way or $42 round trip and stops in front of the hotel.  It runs once
> an hour on weekends, every 40 minutes during the week.
>
> They're building a new airport train that will go directly from the
> airport to the train station, which is across the street from the
> hotel.  Come back in a couple of years.
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>The Toronto Honda Indy is in town =
this weekend (July 18-20, 2104) which may add to the things you can do, but=
 will also mean additional clutter on the roads when attempting to come int=
o the city from the west side until late Sunday night (which includes airpo=
rt). =C2=A0In this case, bus and taxi options will be impacted. =C2=A0They =
have partially closed Lakeshore road for this event which is one of the mai=
n arteries that feed the city from the west.</div>

<div><br></div><div>However, if you like racing, or the events that surroun=
d it -=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.hondaindytoronto.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.hondaindytoronto.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div=
><div>
<br></div><div>
Victor K</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Levine <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:johnl@taugh.com" target=3D"_blank">johnl@taugh.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt;a question to the locals here: What&#39;=
s the best way to get downtown from<br>
&gt;the airport?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;I&#39;d like to avoid the $50+ Taxi variant.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90#airpor=
t_transportation" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/registration/Meeti=
ngWiki/wiki/ietf90#airport_transportation</a><br>
<br>
I added the section in the wiki about the local TTC bus and subway.<br>
It&#39;s eminently practical so long as you are able to carry your luggage<=
br>
up or down a flight of stairs, and it&#39;s only $3. =C2=A0The TTC #192 bus=
<br>
runs every ten minutes or less, every day.<br>
<br>
If you have more luggage than that, the airport express bus is $28 one<br>
way or $42 round trip and stops in front of the hotel. =C2=A0It runs once<b=
r>
an hour on weekends, every 40 minutes during the week.<br>
<br>
They&#39;re building a new airport train that will go directly from the<br>
airport to the train station, which is across the street from the<br>
hotel. =C2=A0Come back in a couple of years.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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If you only want to chat or use whatsapp=2C Rogers offer=0A=
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Thanks for the info=2C I ended up getting the Fido $15 plan=0A=
(to get unlimited international SMS) with 1GB data for an additional $30=2C=
  http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?forwardTo=3DprepaidP=
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You have to pay an additional $10 for the SIM card.=0A=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">De: 90attendees [<a href=3D"mailto:90attendees-bo=
unces@ietf.org">mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org</a>]=0A=
En nombre de B=F6rje Ohlman Enviado el: viernes=2C 18 de julio de 2014 05:2=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Asunto: Re: [90attendees] SIM card recommendation=
?</p>=0A=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp=3B</o:p></p>=0A=
=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thanks for the info=2C I ended up getting the Fid=
o $15 plan=0A=
(to get unlimited international SMS) with 1GB data for an additional $30=2C=
&nbsp=3B <a href=3D"http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?fo=
rwardTo=3DprepaidPlans&amp=3Bservice=3Drates">http://www.fido.ca/web/page/p=
ortal/Fido/PrepaidPlans?forwardTo=3DprepaidPlans&amp=3Bservice=3Drates</a><=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">You have to pay an additional $10 for the SIM car=
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0/2100)=0A=
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=2C=0A=
arguably=2C has better coverage than Mobilicity but still is not that great=
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iPhones also support AWS band. </p>=0A=
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=2C and=0A=
Bell/Virgin=2C all of which offer pretty much the exact same plan at the sa=
me=0A=
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Hi,

Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesday evening 6pm-midnight. It's located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, in Kensington Market. It's
about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car west to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)

See http://hacklab.to/

1 minute away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/  They close at 9pm. It has powered
some drafts and an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early afternoon on a weekday, you'll be able to smell beans being roasted inside.

Sadly I have no advise for good coffee near the conference. There is none :/

Paul


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I suggest you take the bus (192) + metro. It'll get you to the city
centre for less than 3 USD.

Cheers,
Fernando




On 07/18/2014 03:23 AM, Liushucheng (Will) wrote:
> I am wondering is there a "slight discount from the Web site " as written in to link below? I see the one trip ticket is 27.95 on the payment page.
> 
> Regards,
> Will (Shucheng LIU)
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Le 2014-07-14 09:18, Ludwig Seitz a écrit :
>>> a question to the locals here: What's the best way to get downtown
>>> from the airport?
>>
>> There are very good instructions on the wiki:
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Thanks Fernando.=0A=
I checked TTC website as below following your recommendations, bus(192)+met=
ro or bus(52)+metro would be a cheaper choice. =0A=
https://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Airport_service.jsp=0A=
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BR, Tommy=0A=
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I suggest you take the bus (192) + metro. It'll get you to the city=0A=
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>I checked TTC website as below following your recommendations, bus(192)+metro or bus(52)+metro would be a cheaper choice. 

The meeting wiki has detailed descriptions of the transportation
options from the airport, including the TTC bus:

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I've not signed up on the wiki yet, but will wear an IETF shirt. I will like=
ly take taxi on Sunday. If you see someone in an IETF shirt, use that as you=
r ride share system. Seems simple enough. Perhaps a ride sharing information=
al RFC will assist.=20

Jared Mauch

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t will wear an IETF shirt. I will likely take taxi on Sunday. If you see som=
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gh. Perhaps a ride sharing informational RFC will assist.&nbsp;<br><br>Jared=
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andani@gmail.com">mjethanandani@gmail.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Jul 18,=
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On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:03, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote:

> I suggest you take the bus (192) + metro. It'll get you to the city
> centre for less than 3 USD.

Worked for me as well.  (I exited on St. Andrew for Strathcona, though.)
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=85 seems to be moovit (little surprise): http://www.moovitapp.com

The free-of-charge Toronto-specific stuff I tried (Rocketman, TTC =
Transit) crashed, did not work, was unusable, or just didn=92t do =
anything useful.

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten


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On 16 Jul 2014, at 23:45, Faisal Iqbal (faiqbal) <faiqbal@cisco.com> =
wrote:

> Wind Mobile and Mobilicity run on AWS (1700/2100) and are the only one =
to offer cheap/unlimited data on HSPA+ (no LTE). Wind, arguably, has =
better coverage than Mobilicity but still is not that great, especially =
indoors. T-Mobile (USA) used to operate on the same frequency so any =
unlocked T-Mobile phones should work with Wind/Mobilicity. Nexus 4/5 and =
newer iPhones also support AWS band.=20

I took the Wind.ca "unlimited" (=3D 10 GB) plan and I=92m reasonably =
happy (for city usage, and no LTE, but that=92s too fast for 10 GB =
anyway).

Apparently you need to change the APN to =93broadband.windmobile.ca=94 =
to enable Personal Hotspot.

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten

PS.: They really want $25 for a SIM, which is about 25 times their cost. =
=20
Too bad I can=92t give it back later along the lines of =A7 138 Abs. 2 =
BGB=85


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transit is a good one too. (http://thetransitapp.com/)

-Ghaleb

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> =E2=80=A6 seems to be moovit (little surprise): http://www.moovitapp.com
>
> The free-of-charge Toronto-specific stuff I tried (Rocketman, TTC Transit=
) crashed, did not work, was unusable, or just didn=E2=80=99t do anything u=
seful.
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote:

>> I checked TTC website as below following your recommendations, bus(192)+metro or bus(52)+metro would be a cheaper choice.
>
> The meeting wiki has detailed descriptions of the transportation
> options from the airport, including the TTC bus:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90

I took the Airport Express bus. Paid cash at the counter next to the bus 
stop at the airport, got on the bus, second stop was "Royal York" (seems 
that's what it's primarily referred to as). Took about 30-35 minutes with 
a bit of traffic due to construction, even though it was 21.00 friday 
evening.

They dropped me off right outside the entrence to the hotel, but as 
someone said before, watch out as you get off the bus because it stopped 
in the middle of the street, with potential traffic coming on the right 
side of the bus.

-- 
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uh, anyone else get a cold shower this morning (07:00) in the east wing
of the royal york?

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I've been here for a week and I've never had a hot shower in my east wing
room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.

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On Jul 19, 2014 7:25 AM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> uh, anyone else get a cold shower this morning (07:00) in the east wing
> of the royal york?
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Here's a gem that I picked up from my airline's web page:

 Toronto Road Closures - July 16-20, 2014

The Honda Indy is scheduled to take place between 9:00p.m. July 16th and
11:59p.m. July 20th. Road closures throughout downtown Toronto, are
anticipated. Departing passengers are advised to allow extra time when
travelling to Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport. Passengers may also
experience shuttle bus service delays or detours when travelling to and
from the airport.

Yet another reason for taking the bus/subway from Pearson Airport...

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> I've been here for a week and I've never had a hot shower in my east wing
> room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.

uh, not acceptable.  joel reported a hot shower in west this morning.
if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.

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Didn't people have issues with a lack of hot water in part of the hotel in L=
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>> room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.
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> On 19 Jul 2014, at 15:04, Jim Spring <jmspring@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Didn't people have issues with a lack of hot water in part of the hotel in=
 London as well?

Yep, but =C2=A3150 or so off the bill for it... and in current London heat a=
 cold shower is desirable :)

Tim

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>>> I've been here for a week and I've never had a hot shower in my east win=
g
>>> room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.
>>=20
>> uh, not acceptable.  joel reported a hot shower in west this morning.
>> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.
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Yes, we did (actually s/hot water/water/). Looks like I got a fair
share of cold showers last time and today my shower was really hot ;)

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Jim Spring <jmspring@gmail.com> wrote:
> Didn't people have issues with a lack of hot water in part of the hotel in London as well?
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> -j
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> Sent from my iThingy
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>>> I've been here for a week and I've never had a hot shower in my east wing
>>> room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.
>>
>> uh, not acceptable.  joel reported a hot shower in west this morning.
>> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.
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We need that coffee thread started..

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com> wrote:
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> 1 minute away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee
> place in Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/
> They close at 9pm. It has powered
> some drafts and an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early
> afternoon on a weekday, you'll be able to smell beans being
> roasted inside.
>
> Sadly I have no advise for good coffee near the conference.
> There is none :/
>

I havent been to moon bean but i usually visit the st lawrence market
basement coffee shop when i am down here:
www.everydaycoffee.com
It is about a 10 minute walk off wellington. turn right on wellington,
go past bay, yonge, front and it would be on your right hand side.

cheers,
jamal

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For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the Little Red Theater
starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, with light fare, a
silent auction, and several performances.

https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular
http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo

I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to attend a "cabaret" event
organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningly good, even not considering
that it was all local talent.

Jody is Chris Landreth's significant other, and Chris has been a good
friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator of
shorts, and has received an academy award for his film "Ryan", and was
nominated for "The End". Chris will have artwork in the silent auction,
among other artists. Chris continues to work with the National Film Board
and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and coming.

Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it's about 4-5 blocks to the
subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next to the
event location. We're planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lobby near the
Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.

Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportunity to hobnob with
the local artistic talent.
Chris.


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<div dir=3D"ltr">For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the L=
ittle Red Theater starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, wi=
th light fare, a silent auction, and several performances.<div><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3Dr=
egular" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px"><br class=3D"">

https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3D=
regular</a><br clear=3D"all" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px"><a href=3D"http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo" target=3D"_blank" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">http://www.gofundme.com/av=
98mo</a><br>

<div><br></div><div>I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to atten=
d a &quot;cabaret&quot; event organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningl=
y good, even not considering that it was all local talent.</div><div><br>

</div><div>Jody is Chris Landreth&#39;s significant other, and Chris has be=
en a good friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator=
 of shorts, and has received an academy award for his film &quot;Ryan&quot;=
, and was nominated for &quot;The End&quot;. Chris will have artwork in the=
 silent auction, among other artists. Chris continues to work with the Nati=
onal Film Board and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and =
coming.</div>

<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px">Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it&#39;s about 4-5 bloc=
ks to the subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next =
to the event location. We&#39;re planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lob=
by near the Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.</span></div>

<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"a=
rial, sans-serif">Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportun=
ity to hobnob with the local artistic talent.</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif">Chris.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br clear=3D"all"></font><div><br></d=
iv>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br><a href=3D"mailto:chelliot@pobox.com">chelliot@p=
obox.com</a><br>
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have tried

   balsac's on market, less than one km to the east
   http://www.balzacs.com/locations/market-street/
   acceptable coffee, skip the croissant (margerine is my guess)

   dineen coffee, about half a km up yonge
   http://dineencoffee.com/
   also pretty good.  have not tried food, does have sandwiches

randy


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(moving to 90attendees instead of 90all)

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar wrote:

> I think currently wired connections are not working in guest rooms

It's working in mine. I have my personal wifi NAT router connected to it, 
arrived yesterday (friday), then it was wired to the regular hotel 
Internet where I was asked for billing to room. Since they said when I 
checked in (and gave me a note) that I should accept charges to my room 
(and they would not show up on the final bill because they're included) I 
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Running netalyzr on their connection is not pretty reading. They do lots 
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Keep in mind that my data is now mostly 6 years old -- I haven't
actually lived in Toronto since 2008, though of course I've been here
a lot in the interim.  But still,

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:29:02PM -0400, Randy Bush wrote:
>    acceptable coffee, skip the croissant (margerine is my guess)

The best croissant I ever had in the city and, quite possibly, the
universe, came from http://www.danieletdaniel.ca/.  It's on Carleton
St nearly at the north-west corner of Parliament.  To get there from
the Royal York is quite inconvenient -- probably best would be Yonge
line subway to College station and take the streetcar east on Carleton
(which is what College St. turns into on the east side of Yonge), or
walk the four blocks (which takes you by Allan Gardens, so is actually
quite pleasant on a nice day).  As near as I was ever able to tell,
they used only flour, butter, and yeast.  I seem to recall them as
being expensive -- $5 or something like that -- but worth every penny.
Better than most I ever had in Paris.  If you're walking, you can stop
at Bulldog Coffee, which is just south of Carleton on Granby, a little
street parallel to Carleton (take the first right east of Yonge -- I
forget the name of the street, but if you get to Church you've gone
too far).  They're very serious about the coffee.  In my opinion
they're not as good as they think, but they're pretty good.  

If you're into cutesy neighbourhoods, once you're over by Parliament
you can cross the street (east side) and wander around Cabbagetown.
It bills itself as the largest contiguous preserved Victorian
neighbourhood in North America.  I don't know whether that's true, and
some of it is a little (!)  pretentious, but it's a nice neighbourhood
to walk around (still -- I ran through it yesterday morning).  There's
an old (for Ontario) cemetery there called the Necropolis; it has some
famous Canadians in it, though of course nobody else will have heard
of any of them.  The Necropolis was actually moved there -- it used to
be at Yonge and Bloor, but then people wanted to build in that area,
so they moved the cemetery.  If you wnat to get a meal, there's a
neighbourhoodish restaurant/pub south of Carleton on the west side of
Parliament called the House on Parliament.

My actual favourite coffee in Toronto came from Ideal in the
Kensington market.  I usually bought beans there when I was in the
area.  It was always a total hole, and felt a little too hipsterish
(with the container for "dirty little spoons" and that sort of twee
thing).  But they seemed to know how to roast.  The baristas were a
little uneven -- some could pull a perfect shot, but others were less
good.

Apparently, I'm feeling hommesick.  Anyway, those are places I liked
when I lived here.

A

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While we are planning on being there at 7:30, feel free to come anytime,
and it's one easy subway ride. It's scheduled to end at 10pm.

My guess is that there will be opportunities for bar hopping after.

Chris.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:

> For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the Little Red
> Theater starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, with light
> fare, a silent auction, and several performances.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=
=3Dregular
> http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo
>
> I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to attend a "cabaret" even=
t
> organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningly good, even not considering
> that it was all local talent.
>
> Jody is Chris Landreth's significant other, and Chris has been a good
> friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator of
> shorts, and has received an academy award for his film "Ryan", and was
> nominated for "The End". Chris will have artwork in the silent auction,
> among other artists. Chris continues to work with the National Film Board
> and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and coming.
>
> Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it's about 4-5 blocks to
> the subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next to t=
he
> event location. We're planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lobby near t=
he
> Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.
>
> Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportunity to hobnob
> with the local artistic talent.
> Chris.
>
>
> --
> Chris Elliott
> chelliot@pobox.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chelliot@pobox.com');>
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the L=
ittle Red Theater starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, wi=
th light fare, a silent auction, and several performances.<div><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3Dr=
egular" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><br>

https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3D=
regular</a><br clear=3D"all" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px"><a href=3D"http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gofundme.com/av9=
8mo</a><br>

<div><br></div><div>I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to atten=
d a &quot;cabaret&quot; event organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningl=
y good, even not considering that it was all local talent.</div><div><br>

</div><div>Jody is Chris Landreth&#39;s significant other, and Chris has be=
en a good friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator=
 of shorts, and has received an academy award for his film &quot;Ryan&quot;=
, and was nominated for &quot;The End&quot;. Chris will have artwork in the=
 silent auction, among other artists. Chris continues to work with the Nati=
onal Film Board and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and =
coming.</div>

<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px">Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it&#39;s about 4-5 bloc=
ks to the subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next =
to the event location. We&#39;re planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lob=
by near the Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.</span></div>

<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"a=
rial, sans-serif">Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportun=
ity to hobnob with the local artistic talent.</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif">Chris.</font></div>

<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br clear=3D"all"></font><div><br></d=
iv>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br><a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&=
#39;chelliot@pobox.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">chelliot@pobox.com</a><br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br>CCIE # 2013<p>=E2=80=9CY=
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A quick update--it's $10 at the door and I'll personally guarantee you'll
get more than your money's worth.

Chris.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:

> While we are planning on being there at 7:30, feel free to come anytime,
> and it's one easy subway ride. It's scheduled to end at 10pm.
>
> My guess is that there will be opportunities for bar hopping after.
>
> Chris.
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chelliot@pobox.com');>> wrote:
>
>> For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the Little Red
>> Theater starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, with ligh=
t
>> fare, a silent auction, and several performances.
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=
=3Dregular
>> http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo
>>
>> I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to attend a "cabaret"
>> event organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningly good, even not
>> considering that it was all local talent.
>>
>> Jody is Chris Landreth's significant other, and Chris has been a good
>> friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator of
>> shorts, and has received an academy award for his film "Ryan", and was
>> nominated for "The End". Chris will have artwork in the silent auction,
>> among other artists. Chris continues to work with the National Film Boar=
d
>> and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and coming.
>>
>> Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it's about 4-5 blocks to
>> the subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next to =
the
>> event location. We're planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lobby near =
the
>> Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.
>>
>> Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportunity to hobnob
>> with the local artistic talent.
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Elliott
>> chelliot@pobox.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Chris Elliott
> CCIE # 2013
>
> =E2=80=9CYou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D
> --Douglas Hofstadter
>


--=20
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A quick update--it&#39;s $10 at the door and I&#39;ll personally guarantee =
you&#39;ll get more than your=C2=A0money&#39;s worth.<div><br></div><div>Ch=
ris.<span></span><br><br>On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Chris Elliott &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:chelliot@pobox.com">chelliot@pobox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While we are planning on being there at<span=
></span>=C2=A07:30, feel free to come anytime, and it&#39;s one easy subway=
 ride.=C2=A0It&#39;s scheduled to end at 10pm.<div>
<br></div><div>My guess is that there will be opportunities for bar hopping=
 after.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris.<br><br>On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Chris Elliott=
 &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;chelliot@pobox.com=
&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">chelliot@pobox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">For those in Toronto tonight, there is a benefit for the L=
ittle Red Theater starting at 7:30pm. This should be a really fun event, wi=
th light fare, a silent auction, and several performances.<div><a href=3D"h=
ttps://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3Dr=
egular" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><br>


https://www.facebook.com/events/286898171481466/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=3D=
regular</a><br clear=3D"all" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px"><a href=3D"http://www.gofundme.com/av98mo" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gofundme.com/av9=
8mo</a><br>


<div><br></div><div>I was here some years ago and had the pleasure to atten=
d a &quot;cabaret&quot; event organized by Jody Terio, and it was stunningl=
y good, even not considering that it was all local talent.</div><div><br>


</div><div>Jody is Chris Landreth&#39;s significant other, and Chris has be=
en a good friend of mine for over 20 years. Chris is a world-class animator=
 of shorts, and has received an academy award for his film &quot;Ryan&quot;=
, and was nominated for &quot;The End&quot;. Chris will have artwork in the=
 silent auction, among other artists. Chris continues to work with the Nati=
onal Film Board and has several fascinating and complicated shorts out and =
coming.</div>


<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px">Carolyn, my wife, and I are taking the subway--it&#39;s about 4-5 bloc=
ks to the subway station recommended, and then it drops you off right next =
to the event location. We&#39;re planning on meeting around 6:15 in the lob=
by near the Library Bar and leaving by 6:30.</span></div>


<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"a=
rial, sans-serif">Hope you can join us! It promises to be a unique opportun=
ity to hobnob with the local artistic talent.</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif">Chris.</font></div>


<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br clear=3D"all"></font><div><br></d=
iv>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br><a>chelliot@pobox.com</a><br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br>CCIE # 2013<p>=E2=80=9CY=
ou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D<br>--Douglas Hofstad=
ter<br></p>
</blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br>CCIE # 2013<p>=E2=80=9CY=
ou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D<br>--Douglas Hofstad=
ter<br></p>

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When dating a water conservationist and volunteer for water.org, this
explanation, however valid, is less then ideal....

C

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On Jul 19, 2014 4:14 PM, "Christian Hopps" <chopps@rawdofmt.org> wrote:

> From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement
> building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a
> shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually
> reach your room. In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minutes of running
> the shower, hot only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it could take
> for a large old hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird it might be
> worth a try to run the shower full hot for a good long while and see if it
> fixes itself.
>
> Chris.
>
> On Jul 19, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, we did (actually s/hot water/water/). Looks like I got a fair
> > share of cold showers last time and today my shower was really hot ;)
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Jim Spring <jmspring@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Didn't people have issues with a lack of hot water in part of the hotel
> in London as well?
> >>
> >> -j
> >>
> >> Sent from my iThingy
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:41, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I've been here for a week and I've never had a hot shower in my east
> wing
> >>>> room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.
> >>>
> >>> uh, not acceptable.  joel reported a hot shower in west this morning.
> >>> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.
> >>>
> >>> randy
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<p dir=3D"ltr">When dating a water conservationist and volunteer for <a hre=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">C</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Colin Doyle<br>
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Verilan, Inc.<br>
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Portland, OR 97225</p>
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>From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement building=
 in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a shower it mig=
ht just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually reach your room.=
 In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minutes of running the shower, hot=
 only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it could take for a large old =
hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird it might be worth a try to ru=
n the shower full hot for a good long while and see if it fixes itself.<br>

<br>
Chris.<br>
<br>
On Jul 19, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Jen Linkova &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:furry13@gma=
il.com">furry13@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Yes, we did (actually s/hot water/water/). Looks like I got a fair<br>
&gt; share of cold showers last time and today my shower was really hot ;)<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Jim Spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmsp=
ring@gmail.com">jmspring@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Didn&#39;t people have issues with a lack of hot water in part of =
the hotel in London as well?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -j<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent from my iThingy<br>
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&gt;&gt; On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:41, Randy Bush &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randy@p=
sg.com">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve been here for a week and I&#39;ve never had a hot=
 shower in my east wing<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; room. I reported it. They sent a guy. No change.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; uh, not acceptable. =C2=A0joel reported a hot shower in west t=
his morning.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.<br>
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>> From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement
>> building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a
>> shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually
>> reach your room. In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minutes of running
>> the shower, hot only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it could take
>> for a large old hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird it might be
>> worth a try to run the shower full hot for a good long while and see if it
>> fixes itself.

My only data point is that I showered at around 0800 this morning, water 
was immediately warm (less than 3 seconds of running it before I checked), 
and I had no problem during my approximately 5 minute shower with 
temperature not being where I wanted it to be.

-- 
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2nd floor, east wing, didn't experience any issues around 8.15
flow wasn't ideal, but enough

On 7/19/14, 4:22 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
>>> From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement
>>> building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a
>>> shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually
>>> reach your room. In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minutes of
>>> running
>>> the shower, hot only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it could
>>> take
>>> for a large old hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird it
>>> might be
>>> worth a try to run the shower full hot for a good long while and see
>>> if it
>>> fixes itself.
>
> My only data point is that I showered at around 0800 this morning,
> water was immediately warm (less than 3 seconds of running it before I
> checked), and I had no problem during my approximately 5 minute shower
> with temperature not being where I wanted it to be.
>


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Just 10 minutes ago. Cool water for eight minutes, then warning up.

C

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On Jul 19, 2014 4:36 PM, "Carlos M. Martinez" <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> 2nd floor, east wing, didn't experience any issues around 8.15
> flow wasn't ideal, but enough
>
> On 7/19/14, 4:22 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> >
> >>> From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement
> >>> building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a
> >>> shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually
> >>> reach your room. In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minutes of
> >>> running
> >>> the shower, hot only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it could
> >>> take
> >>> for a large old hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird it
> >>> might be
> >>> worth a try to run the shower full hot for a good long while and see
> >>> if it
> >>> fixes itself.
> >
> > My only data point is that I showered at around 0800 this morning,
> > water was immediately warm (less than 3 seconds of running it before I
> > checked), and I had no problem during my approximately 5 minute shower
> > with temperature not being where I wanted it to be.
> >
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Just 10 minutes ago. Cool water for eight minutes, then warn=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">C</p>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Colin Doyle<br>
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Verilan, Inc.<br>
7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215<br>
Portland, OR 97225</p>
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z&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carlos@lacnic.net">carlos@lacnic.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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2nd floor, east wing, didn&#39;t experience any issues around 8.15<br>
flow wasn&#39;t ideal, but enough<br>
<br>
On 7/19/14, 4:22 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tene=
ment<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person t=
aking a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to=
 actually<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; reach your room. In NY it could take what seemed like 10 minut=
es of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; running<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; the shower, hot only, before it was hot. Who knows how long it=
 could<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; take<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; for a large old hotel. If you suspect you are this early bird =
it<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; might be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; worth a try to run the shower full hot for a good long while a=
nd see<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; if it<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; fixes itself.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My only data point is that I showered at around 0800 this morning,<br>
&gt; water was immediately warm (less than 3 seconds of running it before I=
<br>
&gt; checked), and I had no problem during my approximately 5 minute shower=
<br>
&gt; with temperature not being where I wanted it to be.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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In article <CACbUdyr5DnfxYFPmNqdz8OAc5TNdGYL1mZ-KFxctLgY3+K_2jQ@mail.gmail.com> you write:
>When dating a water conservationist and volunteer for water.org, this
>explanation, however valid, is less then ideal....

Oh, you west coast people.

There are places where every drop counts, but Toronto is not one of
them.  Pipes extend 5 km into Lake Ontario that draw cold water at
about 4 C from near the bottom of the lake. The water runs through a
large heat exchanger where it cools a closed system that provides
59,000 tons of A/C for many buildings in downtown Toronto, apparently
enough to cool over 3 km**2 of office space.  The somewhat less cool
water is not dumped back into the lake, where it could cause heat
pollution, but is fed into the city water system, where it ends up in
your shower, we hope somewhat warmer.  This system is an order of
magnitude more energy efficient than conventional A/C.

It only provides part of the water needed for TO, so the rest comes
out of the lake directly, probably not as far down since there's no
need for it to be so cold.

We certainly prefer not to squander our water if we don't need to, but
we're not worried about running out any time soon.

R's,
John

>> From my experience living in a very old 6th floor walk up tenement
>> building in NYC, if you are the first (or near first) person taking a
>> shower it might just take (quite) a while for the hot water to actually
>> reach your room. ...


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thanks to paul southworth for finding a dec vt520 (no he could not find
a vt100) with a french-canadian keyboard, and warren kumari for still
having rs-232 fu, there is actually a real live terminal in the terminal
room.  from it you can telnet or ssh to services which allow random
clients.  please be gentle and polite.

some random prize goes to whoever can reasonably document the last time
we had real terminals, not pee cees, macs, ..., but real terminals, in
the terminal room.  i remember them in stockholm in july 1995, but i
would think we had them later than that.

it would be cool if folk could find classic terminal-oriented services
accessible from the vt520, e.g., a gopher service, etc.

randy


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> Running netalyzr on their connection is not pretty reading. They do lots
> of "evil" stuff to some of the packets.

This small router with dd-wrt[1] pre-installed might be of interest
to everybody wanting to run (Open)VPN/validating resolver directly
on the personal WiFi router (aka have some privacy[2]).

I've seen too many nasty injected stuff in the network at the hotels,
so I have ended with this.  I've bought mine recently, so I have not
tested yet (and not checked the system integrity yet, etc...), so if
you are interested in hearing results, drop me a note at the end of
IETF.  I expect that there will be some troubles with captive portals,
but unless the network is not broken too much, I don't expect that it
cannot be solved with VPN on 443.

1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/171085144197?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=
=3Dp3984.m1497.l2649
2. Disclaimer: you still need to take precautions on your personal
   machine, but anything is improvement over the usual hotel network.

Cheers,
Ondrej

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On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:

> 
> (moving to 90attendees instead of 90all)
> 
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar wrote:
> 
>> I think currently wired connections are not working in guest rooms
> 
> It's working in mine.

It was not working earlier in the evening, but is working now in my room.


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On 2014-07-20 08:59, Randy Bush wrote:
> thanks to paul southworth for finding a dec vt520 (no he could not find
> a vt100) with a french-canadian keyboard, and warren kumari for still
> having rs-232 fu, there is actually a real live terminal in the terminal
> room.  from it you can telnet or ssh to services which allow random
> clients.  please be gentle and polite.
> 
> some random prize goes to whoever can reasonably document the last time
> we had real terminals, not pee cees, macs, ..., but real terminals, in
> the terminal room.  i remember them in stockholm in july 1995, but i
> would think we had them later than that.

I seem to recall those were sun3s from KTH... Does that count as a terminal?


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>> i remember them in stockholm in july 1995
> I seem to recall those were sun3s from KTH... Does that count as a
> terminal?

no.  but my memory was vt220s

randy


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All,

If you have problems with your wired connection please contact the hotel.
Our infrastructure is connected through a VLAN on a trunk port, and we know
that is working well.

Thanks!
Chris.

On Sunday, July 20, 2014, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> >
> > (moving to 90attendees instead of 90all)
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar wrote:
> >
> >> I think currently wired connections are not working in guest rooms
> >
> > It's working in mine.
>
> It was not working earlier in the evening, but is working now in my room.
>
>

--=20
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All,<div><br></div><div>If you have problems with your wired connection ple=
ase contact the hotel. Our infrastructure is connected through a VLAN on a =
trunk port, and we know that is working well.</div><div><br></div><div>Than=
ks!</div>
<div>Chris.<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, July 20, 2014, Fred Baker (fred)=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><bl=
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<br>
On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;=
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swm.pp.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (moving to 90attendees instead of 90all)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I think currently wired connections are not working in guest rooms=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It&#39;s working in mine.<br>
<br>
It was not working earlier in the evening, but is working now in my room.<b=
r>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br>CCIE # 2013<p>=E2=80=9CY=
ou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D<br>--Douglas Hofstad=
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On Jul 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:

> All,
>=20
> If you have problems with your wired connection please contact the =
hotel. Our infrastructure is connected through a VLAN on a trunk port, =
and we know that is working well.

When I plugged into the room wire, as near as I could tell there was no =
electricity. I went to the wireless, and that was fine on ietf-hotel. =
When I saw the note, I checked the wire again, and it worked fine.

> Thanks!
> Chris.
>=20
> On Sunday, July 20, 2014, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> =
wrote:
>=20
> >
> > (moving to 90attendees instead of 90all)
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar wrote:
> >
> >> I think currently wired connections are not working in guest rooms
> >
> > It's working in mine.
>=20
> It was not working earlier in the evening, but is working now in my =
room.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Chris Elliott
> CCIE # 2013
> =93You and I are mirages that perceive themselves=94
> --Douglas Hofstadter
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after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Jul 20, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Chris =
Elliott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:chelliot@pobox.com">chelliot@pobox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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0px;">All,<div><br></div><div>If you have problems with your wired =
connection please contact the hotel. Our infrastructure is connected =
through a VLAN on a trunk port, and we know that is working =
well.</div></div></blockquote><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div><br></div><div>When I plugged into the room wire, as near as =
I could tell there was no electricity. I went to the wireless, and that =
was fine on ietf-hotel. When I saw the note, I checked the wire again, =
and it worked fine.</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
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widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div>Thanks!</div><div>Chris.<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, July =
20, 2014, Fred Baker (fred) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px =
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2:19 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson &lt;<a>swmike@swm.pp.se</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br>&gt;<br>&gt; (moving to 90attendees instead of =
90all)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Tauqeer Safdar =
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I think currently wired connections are not =
working in guest rooms<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It's working in mine.<br><br>It =
was not working earlier in the evening, but is working now in my =
room.<br><br></blockquote></div><br><br>--<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Chris Elliott<br>CCIE # =
2013<p>=93You and I are mirages that perceive themselves=94<br>--Douglas =
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> t
> some random prize goes to whoever can reasonably document the last time
> we had real terminals, not pee cees, macs, ..., but real terminals, in
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> would think we had them later than that.
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=E2=80=8BThere were definitely terminals at IETF 39 in Munich in 1997, beca=
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t<br>
some random prize goes to whoever can reasonably document the last time<br>
we had real terminals, not pee cees, macs, ..., but real terminals, in<br>
the terminal room. =C2=A0i remember them in stockholm in july 1995, but i<b=
r>
would think we had them later than that.<br></blockquote><div><br><div clas=
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On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> =E2=80=8BThere were definitely terminals at IETF 39 in Munich in 1997, =
because I remember having
> to revert to hunt-and-peck on the German keyboard they provided.=E2=80=8B=
=20

I remember at some IETF being somewhat proud of myself for using s-key =
rather than typing passwords into telnet in the terminal room.


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My laptop automatically connected to the ietf-nat64 network.   =
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So, is the link for registering to the Newcomer's Dinner on Monday
night a funny trick to get all the newcomer's to manually type in a
long URL that never seems to work or am I doing something wrong?

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100321639749650623757/albums/6038190168806555137/6038190167599760466?pid=6038190167599760466&oid=100321639749650623757



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Please try this one: =
https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf90/rsvp.py?eventid=3D3&eventcode=3D9=
89359. You will need your registration confirmation number.=20

Apologies for the inconvenience.=20

Alexa

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Thank you Alexa! I mostly just thought it was pretty funny. The link
you gave me seemed to work except that it is now telling me the
registration period for this event has concluded. :(


On 7/20/14, 1:11 PM, Alexa Morris wrote:
> Please try this one:
> https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf90/rsvp.py?eventid=3&eventcode=989359.
> You will need your registration confirmation number.
> 
> Apologies for the inconvenience.
> 
> Alexa
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> On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:04 PM, tshields <tshields@jive.com> wrote:
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> So, is the link for registering to the Newcomer's Dinner on Monday 
> night a funny trick to get all the newcomer's to manually type in
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Apologies yet again! The registration system has been reopened, however =
it will close tomorrow at 10am so that we can provide the restaurant =
with an estimated number of attendees.=20

Alexa

On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:16 PM, tshields <tshields@jive.com> wrote:

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> Thank you Alexa! I mostly just thought it was pretty funny. The link
> you gave me seemed to work except that it is now telling me the
> registration period for this event has concluded. :(
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> On 7/20/14, 1:11 PM, Alexa Morris wrote:
>> Please try this one:
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https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf90/rsvp.py?eventid=3D3&eventcode=3D9=
89359.
>> You will need your registration confirmation number.
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>> Apologies for the inconvenience.
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>> Alexa
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>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 1:04 PM, tshields <tshields@jive.com> wrote:
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>> So, is the link for registering to the Newcomer's Dinner on Monday=20
>> night a funny trick to get all the newcomer's to manually type in
>> a long URL that never seems to work or am I doing something wrong?
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>> ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont
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Thank you Alexa, I can confirm that it is working now.
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Le 2014-07-20 12:20, Ted Lemon a Ã©crit :
> My laptop automatically connected to the ietf-nat64 network.   Everything is Just Working--I didn't even know which network I was on until I checked just now.   Very nice.   Thanks to the ops team for making this happen again!ï»¿

Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network? Please?

Simon


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> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network?
> Please?

if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is
what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.

randy


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On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Simon Perreault wrote:

> Le 2014-07-20 12:20, Ted Lemon a Ã©crit :
>> My laptop automatically connected to the ietf-nat64 network.   Everything is Just Working--I didn't even know which network I was on until I checked just now.   Very nice.   Thanks to the ops team for making this happen again!ï»¿
>
> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network? Please?

Can we at least get all these experimental ones with .1x enabled? I prefer 
not to use unencrypted wifi networks if possible.

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> Le 2014-07-20 12:20, Ted Lemon a =C3=A9crit :
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> I checked just now.   Very nice.   Thanks to the ops team for making this
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> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network? Please?
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Default? </p>
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Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Colin Doyle a Ã©crit :
> Default?

For example:

ietf: IPv6, NAT64, no IPv4
ietf-v6only: IPv6, no NAT64, no IPv4
ietf-dual: IPv6, IPv4

The idea would be to make more IETF attendees eat their own dog food.
(The dog food in question being IPv6, not necessarily NAT64.)

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Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a écrit :
>> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network?
>> Please?
> 
> if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is
> what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.

v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much
stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,
but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Simon


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let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet to
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>
wrote:

> Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a =C3=A9crit :
> >> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network?
> >> Please?
> >
> > if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is
> > what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.
>
> v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much
> stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,
> but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
>

The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses
available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using 8
SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:

 ssid <NOC_network>
 ssid eduroam
 ssid ietf
 ssid ietf.1x
 ssid ietf-a
 ssid ietf-a.1x
 ssid ietf-nat64
 ssid ietf-v6ONLY

I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm not willing
to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.

Chris.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sperreault@jive.com" target=3D"_blank">sperreault@jive.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a =C3=A9crit :<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF mee=
ting network?<br>
&gt;&gt; Please?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is<=
br>
&gt; what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.<br>
<br>
</div>v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much<br>
stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,<br>
but I&#39;d be happy to be proven wrong.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses a=
vailable on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using 8 S=
SIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:</div>

<br>=C2=A0ssid &lt;NOC_network&gt;<br>=C2=A0ssid eduroam<br>=C2=A0ssid ietf=
<br>=C2=A0ssid ietf.1x<br>=C2=A0ssid ietf-a<br>=C2=A0ssid ietf-a.1x<br>=C2=
=A0ssid ietf-nat64<br>=C2=A0ssid ietf-v6ONLY<br><br>I&#39;m willing to cons=
ider any options within this constraint. I&#39;m not willing to deploy two =
sets of APs to get around this constraint.</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Chris.<br>=
=C2=A0<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">

<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888">
Simon<br>
</font></span><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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Le 2014-07-20 14:36, Randy Bush a écrit :
> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet to
> conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?

Let me be more clear as well: by continuing to provide IPv4 on the
default IETF meeting network, we are being part of the problem.

Simon


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a little of both: we're the best beta testing crowd imaginable, and it's
something we should take advantage of.



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Le 2014-07-20 14:36, Chris Elliott a Ã©crit :
> The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses
> available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using
> 8 SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:
> 
>  ssid <NOC_network>
>  ssid eduroam
>  ssid ietf
>  ssid ietf.1x
>  ssid ietf-a
>  ssid ietf-a.1x
>  ssid ietf-nat64
>  ssid ietf-v6ONLY
> 
> I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm not
> willing to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.

Understood. The proposal is to swap ietf with either ietf-nat64 or
ietf-v6ONLY. No SSID addition or removal.

Simon


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>> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet
>> to conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
> Let me be more clear as well: by continuing to provide IPv4 on the
> default IETF meeting network, we are being part of the problem.

i am an operator.  providing the internet that users expect is not
considered a problem.  denying services in the name of religion is.

randy


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On 7/20/14, 2:38 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
> a little of both: we're the best beta testing crowd imaginable, and
> it's something we should take advantage of.

That's a presumption that doesn't hold water if you test it.

there's a lot of people using the net to get their work done.

> 
> 
> On 7/20/14, 2:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
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>> internet to conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
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>> randy
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> a little of both: we're the best beta testing crowd imaginable, and it's
> something we should take advantage of.

which is why the network makes it available to you.  in all the flavors
that the APs let the noc provide.

randy


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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>
wrote:

> Le 2014-07-20 14:36, Randy Bush a =C3=A9crit :
> > let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet t=
o
> > conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
>
> Let me be more clear as well: by continuing to provide IPv4 on the
> default IETF meeting network, we are being part of the problem.
>

Currently, we /know/ that all IPv6 only solutions do not allow you to do
everything you can do using IPv4. I do not think I'm willing to make the
default network a network that will break things attendees need to do. And,
it wouldn't be effective All that would happen is that people would decide
that SSID <foo> is the default instead of "ietf".

Chris.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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<div class=3D"">&gt; let me be more clear. =C2=A0are we trying to provide h=
igh quality internet to<br>
&gt; conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?<br>
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>
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do not allow you to do everything you can do using IPv4. I do not think I&#=
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ttendees need to do. And, it wouldn&#39;t be effective All that would happe=
n is that people would decide that SSID &lt;foo&gt; is the default instead =
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Le 2014-07-20 14:43, joel jaeggli a écrit :
> On 7/20/14, 2:38 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>> a little of both: we're the best beta testing crowd imaginable, and
>> it's something we should take advantage of.
> 
> That's a presumption that doesn't hold water if you test it.
> 
> there's a lot of people using the net to get their work done.

Two responses:

1) There's a lot of people using ietf-nat64 and ietf-v6ONLY to get work
done. IPv6 does work, you know?

2) If you really do need real IPv4, just use ietf-dual. The proposal is
not to take it away, it's about what the default is.

Simon


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>> there's a lot of people using the net to get their work done.
> 2) If you really do need real IPv4, just use ietf-dual. The proposal
> is not to take it away, it's about what the default is.

the ops view is that the default is to let people get their work done

[ you may, or may not, remember that i am the one who jumped up and down
  to get 6/4 nat back into the ietf.  most of my $dayjob customers are
  enterprise. ]

randy


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On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Chris Elliott wrote:

> The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses
> available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using 8
> SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:
>
> ssid <NOC_network>
> ssid eduroam
> ssid ietf
> ssid ietf.1x
> ssid ietf-a
> ssid ietf-a.1x
> ssid ietf-nat64
> ssid ietf-v6ONLY
>
> I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm not willing
> to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.

Could we please do the ietf/ietf username/password combination on .1x for 
all the currently unencrypted ones?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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It being understood this is not a democracy and all opinions are not equal,
I would be fine with the IETF deciding to break the default net given a
non-default was not broken.

ie, I understand Randys joker-card override 'ops means works' but I think
this is an opportunity to think different. I also think that just because
the cabal of ops said "A" is probably the best reason we have to say "f**k
you" and chose "B" but then we'd have to pick up the pieces. which, since
they don't share root, is impossible. So lets admit reality here.

"he who has root makes the rules"

chuss

-G


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Chris Elliott wrote:
>
> > The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses
> > available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using
> 8
> > SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:
> >
> > ssid <NOC_network>
> > ssid eduroam
> > ssid ietf
> > ssid ietf.1x
> > ssid ietf-a
> > ssid ietf-a.1x
> > ssid ietf-nat64
> > ssid ietf-v6ONLY
> >
> > I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm not
> willing
> > to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.
>
> Could we please do the ietf/ietf username/password combination on .1x for
> all the currently unencrypted ones?
>
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al of ops said &quot;A&quot; is probably the best reason we have to say &qu=
ot;f**k you&quot; and chose &quot;B&quot; but then we&#39;d have to pick up=
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p.se" target=3D"_blank">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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lliott wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresse=
s<br>
&gt; available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently usi=
ng 8<br>
&gt; SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ssid &lt;NOC_network&gt;<br>
&gt; ssid eduroam<br>
&gt; ssid ietf<br>
&gt; ssid ietf.1x<br>
&gt; ssid ietf-a<br>
&gt; ssid ietf-a.1x<br>
&gt; ssid ietf-nat64<br>
&gt; ssid ietf-v6ONLY<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m willing to consider any options within this constraint. I&#39;=
m not willing<br>
&gt; to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.<br>
<br>
</div>Could we please do the ietf/ietf username/password combination on .1x=
 for<br>
all the currently unencrypted ones?<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
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In the end, default here means 'whatever you have higher up in your WLAN
list', so, if you really care about getting work that won't 'work' over
ipv6+nat64, you can just 'switch defaults'. This would probably too much
to ask from my mother, but I guess ietf folk know how to tweak this.

Setting a different 'default default' provides a wider testing base, not
to mention it's also keeping up our word that we eat our own dog food
while not taking much away from those who have things that really,
really break over nat64.

So far, the experiment of nat64 is one of 'someone says it works', plus
other voices saying 'my el-raro-file-sync service fails'.

Think of it as an A|B testing experiment. Default everyone to
ipv6+nat64, measure how many use it, and by the end of the week measure
how many folks actually switched defaults to ipv6-dual.

cheers,

=Carlos

On 7/20/14, 3:01 PM, George Michaelson wrote:
> It being understood this is not a democracy and all opinions are not
> equal, I would be fine with the IETF deciding to break the default net
> given a non-default was not broken.
>
> ie, I understand Randys joker-card override 'ops means works' but I
> think this is an opportunity to think different. I also think that
> just because the cabal of ops said "A" is probably the best reason we
> have to say "f**k you" and chose "B" but then we'd have to pick up the
> pieces. which, since they don't share root, is impossible. So lets
> admit reality here.
>
> "he who has root makes the rules"
>
> chuss
>
> -G
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se
> <mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se>> wrote:
>
>     On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Chris Elliott wrote:
>
>     > The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac
>     addresses
>     > available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are
>     currently using 8
>     > SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:
>     >
>     > ssid <NOC_network>
>     > ssid eduroam
>     > ssid ietf
>     > ssid ietf.1x
>     > ssid ietf-a
>     > ssid ietf-a.1x
>     > ssid ietf-nat64
>     > ssid ietf-v6ONLY
>     >
>     > I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm
>     not willing
>     > to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.
>
>     Could we please do the ietf/ietf username/password combination on
>     .1x for
>     all the currently unencrypted ones?
>
>     --
>     Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
>     <mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se>
>
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    <tt>In the end, default here means 'whatever you have higher up in
      your WLAN list', so, if you really care about getting work that
      won't 'work' over ipv6+nat64, you can just 'switch defaults'. This
      would probably too much to ask from my mother, but I guess ietf
      folk know how to tweak this. <br>
      <br>
      Setting a different 'default default' provides a wider testing
      base, not to mention it's also keeping up our word that we eat our
      own dog food while not taking much away from those who have things
      that really, really break over nat64.<br>
      <br>
      So far, the experiment of nat64 is one of 'someone says it works',
      plus other voices saying 'my el-raro-file-sync service fails'.<br>
      <br>
      Think of it as an A|B testing experiment. Default everyone to
      ipv6+nat64, measure how many use it, and by the end of the week
      measure how many folks actually switched defaults to ipv6-dual.<br>
      <br>
      cheers,<br>
      <br>
      =Carlos<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/14, 3:01 PM, George Michaelson
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cite="mid:CAA=nHSJB3575DjqJeqTFr9Gqky3is106HBSwEeLCjRkwoW_dZA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">It being understood this is not a democracy and all
        opinions are not equal, I would be fine with the IETF deciding
        to break the default net given a non-default was not broken.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>ie, I understand Randys joker-card override 'ops means
          works' but I think this is an opportunity to think different.
          I also think that just because the cabal of ops said "A" is
          probably the best reason we have to say "f**k you" and chose
          "B" but then we'd have to pick up the pieces. which, since
          they don't share root, is impossible. So lets admit reality
          here.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>"he who has root makes the rules"</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>chuss</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>-G</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Mikael
          Abrahamsson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se" target="_blank">swmike@swm.pp.se</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div class="">On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Chris Elliott wrote:<br>
              <br>
              &gt; The limitation from the hardware side is that there
              are 8 mac addresses<br>
              &gt; available on each radio interface on the APs, and we
              are currently using 8<br>
              &gt; SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; ssid &lt;NOC_network&gt;<br>
              &gt; ssid eduroam<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf.1x<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf-a<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf-a.1x<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf-nat64<br>
              &gt; ssid ietf-v6ONLY<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; I'm willing to consider any options within this
              constraint. I'm not willing<br>
              &gt; to deploy two sets of APs to get around this
              constraint.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Could we please do the ietf/ietf username/password
            combination on .1x for<br>
            all the currently unencrypted ones?<br>
            <div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
              --<br>
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:
> In the end, default here means 'whatever you have higher up in your WLAN
> list', so, if you really care about getting work that won't 'work' over
> ipv6+nat64, you can just 'switch defaults'. This would probably too much to
> ask from my mother, but I guess ietf folk know how to tweak this.

Exactly. I'm not sure I even understand the problem statement. I just
have 'v6-only' as a top preference and then I have v6+nat64. It does
allow me to get my work done and works fine for 99.9% of non-work
related cases.

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it's a fact that most people will use the default, so even in the cases
where the non-default setting will work for 99.9% of all involved, there
is simply no incentive or push to switch to the 'new' thing, and it will
not get widely used. Just because it is not the default.

Similar with what happens if you publish your perfectly-working AAAA
record for your perfectly working-over-ipv6 website under the name
'ipv6.whatever.com'. No one, except those looking for it, will use it.
That's why you do this for a while, before going full monty and turning
on AAAA's for 'www.whatever.com'.

It's a matter of creating critical mass, to find out and iron out the
bugs that are not caught in the limited testing allowed by the 'new'
thing not being the default.

I've intentionally avoided to use SSID names here because I believe this
argument applies for well, mostly anything.

cheers!

-Carlos

On 7/20/14, 3:27 PM, Jen Linkova wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:
>> In the end, default here means 'whatever you have higher up in your WLAN
>> list', so, if you really care about getting work that won't 'work' over
>> ipv6+nat64, you can just 'switch defaults'. This would probably too much to
>> ask from my mother, but I guess ietf folk know how to tweak this.
> Exactly. I'm not sure I even understand the problem statement. I just
> have 'v6-only' as a top preference and then I have v6+nat64. It does
> allow me to get my work done and works fine for 99.9% of non-work
> related cases.
>


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El 7/20/2014 2:08 PM, Simon Perreault escribió:
> Le 2014-07-20 14:36, Randy Bush a écrit :
>> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet to
>> conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
> Let me be more clear as well: by continuing to provide IPv4 on the
> default IETF meeting network, we are being part of the problem.

One more option (not saying is good or bad):

What about not having a default network?.., just explicit networks that
can be identify by the SSID name


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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 02:36:41PM -0400, Chris Elliott wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>
> wrote:
> > Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a Ã©crit :
> > >> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network?
> > >> Please?
> > >
> > > if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is
> > > what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.
> >
> > v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much
> > stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,
> > but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
> >
> 
> The limitation from the hardware side is that there are 8 mac addresses
> available on each radio interface on the APs, and we are currently using 8
> SSIDs on the 5Ghz radio interfaces:
[snip]
> I'm willing to consider any options within this constraint. I'm not willing
> to deploy two sets of APs to get around this constraint.

We distinguished networks on .1X by login name at 30C3.  I believe that
worked by the RADIUS in the back sending a VLAN attr, and the wifi
controller's magic supported that.

Done correctly, this means you ever only need 1 .1X SSID for each set of
radio parameters (we still had a 5GHz-only .1X SSID plus an all-band
one).

-David


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On 20 Jul, 2014, at 11:36, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet =
to conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?

IETF meetings also serve a third function: Education. I always hope to =
leave IETF meetings knowing more than I did when I arrived.

Many meetings ago Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and suggested =
I try out the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple of =
minutes of my time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked fine. =
In fact I was amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few minor =
things did not work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and iOS =
was improved as a result. And this happened because people like Marc =
Blanchet had worked to make NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that =
people like me could easily try it out. This was a good outcome.

I would support making IPv6 with NAT64 be the default IETF meeting =
service, because as time goes on this is likely to be the only network =
many residential customers have, so our community needs to be =
knowledgeable about how well such networks work. For people who still =
need native IPv4 (hopefully a dwindling minority) there should also be =
an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that provides both native IPv4 and native =
IPv6.

As an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android 4.4.4, =
and it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network, helpfully telling me =
that it had =93Avoided poor Internet connection.=94

Any other Android users seen this on the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?

Stuart Cheshire


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wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">let me be more clear. &nbsp;are =
we trying to provide high quality internet to&nbsp;conference attendees =
or hold a religious ceremony?<br></blockquote><br>IETF meetings also =
serve a third function: Education. I always hope to leave IETF meetings =
knowing more than I did when I arrived.<div><br></div><div>Many meetings =
ago&nbsp;Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and suggested I try out =
the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple of minutes of my =
time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked fine. In fact I was =
amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few minor things did not =
work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and iOS was improved as a =
result. And this happened because people like&nbsp;Marc Blanchet had =
worked to make&nbsp;NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that people =
like me could&nbsp;easily try it out. This was a good =
outcome.</div><div><br></div><div>I would support making IPv6 =
with&nbsp;NAT64 be the default IETF meeting service, because as time =
goes on this is likely to be the only network many residential customers =
have, so our community needs to be knowledgeable about how well such =
networks work. For people who still need native IPv4 (hopefully a =
dwindling minority) there should also be an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that =
provides both native IPv4 and native IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>As =
an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android 4.4.4, and =
it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network, helpfully telling me =
that it had =93Avoided poor Internet =
connection.=94</div><div><br></div><div>Any other&nbsp;Android users =
seen this on&nbsp;the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?</div><div><br>Stuart =
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On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com> =
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> v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much
> stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF =
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> but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery is=
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Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available?

-j

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For the best nearby local brew selection check C'Est What on Front Street. =
10 minute walk from the hotel.=C2=A0


http://www.cestwhat.com
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> Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery=
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<span id=3D=22mailbox-conversation=22>For the best nearby local brew =
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<br><br><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22><p>On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM=
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Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery is probably a =
10min cab ride away.
<br><br>Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available=3F
<br><br>-j
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>
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> Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a =C3=A9crit :
> >> Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF meeting network?
> >> Please?
> >
> > if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is
> > what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.
>
> v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much
> stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,
> but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
>
> Simon
>

Don't forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC validation on our
endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites in
signed DNS zones unreachable.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Simon Perreault <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sperreault@jive.com" target=3D"_blank">sperr=
eault@jive.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 2014-07-20 14:19, Randy Bush a =C3=A9crit=
 :<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;&gt; Can we make IPv6+NAT64 the default on the IETF mee=
ting network?<br>
&gt;&gt; Please?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; if we are gonna make nat the default, we should do nat444, as that is<=
br>
&gt; what we are aiding and abeting for the broadband victims.<br>
<br>
</div>v6only as default would be even better, and it would send a much<br>
stronger signal. I doubt its social acceptability among IETF attendees,<br>
but I&#39;d be happy to be proven wrong.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Simon<br>
</font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t forget that for th=
ose of us doing DNSSEC validation on our endstations or applications, NAT64=
/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites in signed DNS zones unreachable.<br>
<br></div><div>--Shumon.<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:20:27PM -0400,
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> My laptop automatically connected to the ietf-nat64 network.
> Everything is Just Working--I didn't even know which network I was
> on until I checked just now.

I used NAT64 for IETF and RIPE meetings several times and, since it
worked, I decided to try riskier things :-) Today, I had unfortunately
zero success with BitTorrent (clients rtorrent and
transmission). Giving that the protocol sends back referrals to IP
addresses, I'm afraid it cannot work over NAT64. But, if anyone has a
better idea?

But may be my use of BitTorrent does not fit Randy's definition of
"getting work done" :-)


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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 01:41:28PM -0700,
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> As an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android
> 4.4.4, and it refused to use the â€œIETF-NAT64â€� network, helpfully
> telling me that it had â€œAvoided poor Internet connection.â€�
> 
> Any other Android users seen this on the â€œIETF-NAT64â€� network?

Apparently (not enough time to be sure) no problem for me on a Wiko
running Android 4.2.2. I had bad experiences with previous versions of
Android on NAT64, because Android insisted to get an IPv4
address. Now, it is apparently happy with only an IPv6 one.


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On 20 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> A|B testing experiment

Make it a one-day experiment then.
(Announce it at the technical plenary.)

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten


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On Jul 20, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer =
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> Giving that the protocol sends back referrals to IP
> addresses, I'm afraid it cannot work over NAT64. But, if anyone has a
> better idea?

I'm surprised that it didn't work over plain IPv6.   Have you tried it =
on the -v6only network?


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As is my usual habit, attached is a version of the meeting agenda =
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Bellwoods has a good selection and generally quite good, though draws a
crowd and would be a wait for a large group (not sure if they do
reservations).

I'm busy Tuesday night, but could fancy something tomorrow or Wednesday.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com
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>  Tested. Approved.
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> *From:* 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mick
> Szucs
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:12 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [90attendees] Beer thread ... Better than coffee :)
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>
> For the best nearby local brew selection check C'Est What on Front Street.
> 10 minute walk from the hotel.
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> http://www.cestwhat.com
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> - Mick
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> Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery
> is probably a 10min cab ride away.
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> Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bellwoods has a good selection and generally quite good, t=
hough draws a crowd and would be a wait for a large group (not sure if they=
 do reservations).<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m busy Tuesday night, but could=
 fancy something tomorrow or Wednesday.</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun,=
 Jul 20, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gregory Mirsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">gregory.mirsky@ericsso=
n.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Tested. Approved.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 90attend=
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k">90attendees-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mick Szucs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Spring<br>
<b>Cc:</b> attendees<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [90attendees] Beer thread ... Better than coffee :)<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the best nearby local brew selection check C&#39=
;Est What on Front Street. 10 minute walk from the hotel.=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.cestwhat.com" target=3D"_blank=
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<p>On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jim Spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmspri=
ng@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jmspring@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u>=
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<p>Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewer=
y is probably a 10min cab ride away.
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Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available? <br>
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-j <br>
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Le 2014-07-20 19:53, Shumon Huque a Ã©crit :
> Don't forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC validation on our
> endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites in
> signed DNS zones unreachable.

Not true.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050

Simon


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> But may be my use of BitTorrent does not fit Randy's definition of
> "getting work done" :-)

i live and die by btsync, research groups, travel reports, ...


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> Make it a one-day experiment then.
> (Announce it at the technical plenary.)

we did that years ago


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I think Stuart=92s comments below are excellent.

If IPv6+NAT64 were the default, there can still be an 'ietf-v4' SSID =
made available for those who want IPv4-only.  The question is what the =
default =91ietf=92 SSID should provide.  I don=92t think anyone is =
suggesting removing what is currently the default altogether.

Tim

On 20 Jul 2014, at 21:41, Stuart Cheshire <ietf14@stuartcheshire.org> =
wrote:

> On 20 Jul, 2014, at 11:36, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>=20
>> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet =
to conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
>=20
> IETF meetings also serve a third function: Education. I always hope to =
leave IETF meetings knowing more than I did when I arrived.
>=20
> Many meetings ago Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and =
suggested I try out the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple =
of minutes of my time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked =
fine. In fact I was amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few =
minor things did not work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and =
iOS was improved as a result. And this happened because people like Marc =
Blanchet had worked to make NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that =
people like me could easily try it out. This was a good outcome.
>=20
> I would support making IPv6 with NAT64 be the default IETF meeting =
service, because as time goes on this is likely to be the only network =
many residential customers have, so our community needs to be =
knowledgeable about how well such networks work. For people who still =
need native IPv4 (hopefully a dwindling minority) there should also be =
an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that provides both native IPv4 and native =
IPv6.
>=20
> As an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android =
4.4.4, and it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network, helpfully =
telling me that it had =93Avoided poor Internet connection.=94
>=20
> Any other Android users seen this on the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?
>=20
> Stuart Cheshire
>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I =
think Stuart=92s comments below are excellent.<div><br></div><div>If =
IPv6+NAT64 were the default, there can still be an 'ietf-v4' SSID made =
available for those who want IPv4-only. &nbsp;The question is what the =
default =91ietf=92 SSID should provide. &nbsp;I don=92t think anyone is =
suggesting removing what is currently the default altogether.<br><div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: =
none;">Tim</span>

</div>
<br><div><div>On 20 Jul 2014, at 21:41, Stuart Cheshire &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf14@stuartcheshire.org">ietf14@stuartcheshire.org</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On 20 Jul, 2014, at =
11:36, Randy Bush &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">let me be more clear. &nbsp;are =
we trying to provide high quality internet to&nbsp;conference attendees =
or hold a religious ceremony?<br></blockquote><br>IETF meetings also =
serve a third function: Education. I always hope to leave IETF meetings =
knowing more than I did when I arrived.<div><br></div><div>Many meetings =
ago&nbsp;Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and suggested I try out =
the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple of minutes of my =
time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked fine. In fact I was =
amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few minor things did not =
work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and iOS was improved as a =
result. And this happened because people like&nbsp;Marc Blanchet had =
worked to make&nbsp;NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that people =
like me could&nbsp;easily try it out. This was a good =
outcome.</div><div><br></div><div>I would support making IPv6 =
with&nbsp;NAT64 be the default IETF meeting service, because as time =
goes on this is likely to be the only network many residential customers =
have, so our community needs to be knowledgeable about how well such =
networks work. For people who still need native IPv4 (hopefully a =
dwindling minority) there should also be an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that =
provides both native IPv4 and native IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>As =
an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android 4.4.4, and =
it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network, helpfully telling me =
that it had =93Avoided poor Internet =
connection.=94</div><div><br></div><div>Any other&nbsp;Android users =
seen this on&nbsp;the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?</div><div><br>Stuart =
Cheshire</div><div><br></div><div><span>&lt;Screenshot_2014-07-20-15-16-55=
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> I'm surprised that it didn't work over plain IPv6. 

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com>
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> Le 2014-07-20 19:53, Shumon Huque a =C3=A9crit :
> > Don't forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC validation on our
> > endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites in
> > signed DNS zones unreachable.
>
> Not true.
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050
>
> Simon
>

Ah, so I have to implement the DNS64 function on my endstation. I think I'm
staying on the dual stack network :-)

Alternatively, if one were to decide to delegate validation to the DNS64
proxy, does the IETF network's current implementation support a transaction
security mechanism that could be used? (eg. per-user symmetric key TSIG  or
SIG(0))?

--Shumon.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Simon Perreault <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sperreault@jive.com" target=3D"_blank">sperr=
eault@jive.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 2014-07-20 19:53, Shumon Huque a =C3=A9cr=
it :<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt; Don&#39;t forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC val=
idation on our<br>
&gt; endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites i=
n<br>
&gt; signed DNS zones unreachable.<br>
<br>
</div>Not true.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2" target=3D"_blank=
">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050" target=3D"_blank">http://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/rfc7050</a><br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Simon<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, so I have to im=
plement the DNS64 function on my endstation. I think I&#39;m staying on the=
 dual stack network :-)<br><br></div><div>Alternatively, if one were to dec=
ide to delegate validation to the DNS64 proxy, does the IETF network&#39;s =
current implementation support a transaction security mechanism that could =
be used? (eg. per-user symmetric key TSIG=C2=A0 or SIG(0))?<br>
<br></div><div>--Shumon.<br></div></div><br></div></div>

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Le 2014-07-21 08:21, Shumon Huque a Ã©crit :
> Ah, so I have to implement the DNS64 function on my endstation. I think
> I'm staying on the dual stack network :-)

Just use a local DNS recursive nameserver. I prefer Unbound for that
purpose. The only missing part is having NetworkManager start it
automatically. I suppose one could hack that up with a hook script.

> Alternatively, if one were to decide to delegate validation to the DNS64
> proxy, does the IETF network's current implementation support a
> transaction security mechanism that could be used? (eg. per-user
> symmetric key TSIG  or SIG(0))?

No idea.

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Le 2014-07-21 07:56, Randy Bush a écrit :
>> Make it a one-day experiment then.
>> (Announce it at the technical plenary.)
> 
> we did that years ago

Actually what we did was an IPv6-only experiment (no NAT64), and it only
lasted during the plenary.

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Le 2014-07-21 =E0 08:21, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> a =E9crit :

> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com> =
wrote:
> Le 2014-07-20 19:53, Shumon Huque a =E9crit :
> > Don't forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC validation on our
> > endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only sites =
in
> > signed DNS zones unreachable.
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> Not true.
>=20
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050
>=20
> Simon
>=20
> Ah, so I have to implement the DNS64 function on my endstation. I =
think I'm staying on the dual stack network :-)
>=20
> Alternatively, if one were to decide to delegate validation to the =
DNS64 proxy, does the IETF network's current implementation support a =
transaction security mechanism that could be used? (eg. per-user =
symmetric key TSIG  or SIG(0))?

but this is not related to DNS64, but instead related to the validation. =
 Do I do my own dnssec validation (on the host) or do I trust someone =
else to do it for me? =20

Regards, Marc.

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2014-07-21 =E0 08:21, Shumon Huque &lt;<a =
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type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Simon =
Perreault <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sperreault@jive.com" =
target=3D"_blank">sperreault@jive.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div =
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 2014-07-20 19:53, =
Shumon Huque a =E9crit :<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt; Don't forget that for those of us doing DNSSEC =
validation on our<br>
&gt; endstations or applications, NAT64/DNS64 will render IPv4 only =
sites in<br>
&gt; signed DNS zones unreachable.<br>
<br>
</div>Not true.<br>
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<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6147#section-6.2</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7050</a><br>
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Simon<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, so I have to =
implement the DNS64 function on my endstation. I think I'm staying on =
the dual stack network :-)<br><br></div><div>Alternatively, if one were =
to decide to delegate validation to the DNS64 proxy, does the IETF =
network's current implementation support a transaction security =
mechanism that could be used? (eg. per-user symmetric key TSIG&nbsp; or =
SIG(0))?<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>but =
this is not related to DNS64, but instead related to the validation. =
&nbsp;Do I do my own dnssec validation (on the host) or do I trust =
someone else to do it for me? &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, =
Marc.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
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i confuse between ietf and nanog.  but i thought we duplicated the nanog
experiment at the ietf, testing both nat64 and pure 6.  and i definitely
remember unhappiness, despite the short duration.

the meeting net is a production tool for folk who could not give a damn
about ipvwhatever.  they just want their mtv.  and they will whine and
waste precious plenary time <g> on the slightest little speedbump they
hit on the way to the candy machine.

operators call these people 'users' or 'customers.'  we try to make
their network experience as seamless as possible.

if, instead, they are to be lab rats in the technical experiment of a
minority of the community, then just have the iesg tell the iaoc to
redefine the function of the network.  there are noccers who probably
can still hack the net to give you decnet or x.25.

randy


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I traveled over from Europe with my family on this trip, dropping them in th=
e USA on the way. I carried my semi-high end canon video camera with me, the=
 one that I use to record my kids' shows and such as would any proud dad of t=
wo young kids.=20

I have misplaced the camera. It was last seen by me yesterday during the IEP=
G meeting. It was in a small, roundish, black bag (actually a bag used to st=
ore and carry the older model Bose active noise-cancellation headphones).=20=


Of course, as much as I would like the camera back, more importantly, I want=
 the memories of my kids I recorded to show their grandparents after this IE=
TF is over.=20

If anyone sees this bag or camera lying around, please do turn it into the I=
ETF registration desk.=20

Thank you,=20

- Mark

(Thumbtyped)

> On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Jim Spring <jmspring@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Bellwoods has a good selection and generally quite good, though draws a cr=
owd and would be a wait for a large group (not sure if they do reservations)=
.
>=20
> I'm busy Tuesday night, but could fancy something tomorrow or Wednesday.
>=20
>=20
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.=
com> wrote:
>> Tested. Approved.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mick=
 Szucs
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:12 PM
>> To: Jim Spring
>> Cc: attendees
>> Subject: Re: [90attendees] Beer thread ... Better than coffee :)
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> For the best nearby local brew selection check C'Est What on Front Street=
. 10 minute walk from the hotel.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> http://www.cestwhat.com
>>=20
>> __
>> - Mick
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jim Spring <jmspring@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery=
 is probably a 10min cab ride away.=20
>>=20
>> Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available?=20
>>=20
>> -j=20
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iv>I traveled over from Europe with my family on this trip, dropping them in=
 the USA on the way. I carried my semi-high end canon video camera with me, t=
he one that I use to record my kids' shows and such as would any proud dad o=
f two young kids.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I have misplaced the camera=
. It was last seen by me yesterday during the IEPG meeting. It was in a smal=
l, roundish, black bag (actually a bag used to store and carry the older mod=
el Bose active noise-cancellation headphones).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Of course, as much as I would like the camera back, more importantly, I wa=
nt the memories of my kids I recorded to show their grandparents after this I=
ETF is over.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone sees this bag or camer=
a lying around, please do turn it into the IETF registration desk.&nbsp;</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Thank you,&nbsp;<br><br><div>- Mark</div><div><br></di=
v>(Thumbtyped)</div><div><br>On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Jim Spring &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jmspring@gmail.com">jmspring@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bellwoods has a good s=
election and generally quite good, though draws a crowd and would be a wait f=
or a large group (not sure if they do reservations).<div><br></div><div>I'm b=
usy Tuesday night, but could fancy something tomorrow or Wednesday.</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, J=
ul 20, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gregory Mirsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">gregory.mirsky@ericsson.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Tested. Approved.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 90attendees=
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0attendees-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mick Szucs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Spring<br>
<b>Cc:</b> attendees<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [90attendees] Beer thread ... Better than coffee :)<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the best nearby local brew selection check C'Est W=
hat on Front Street. 10 minute walk from the hotel.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.cestwhat.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.cestwhat.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">__<br>
- Mick<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></=
p>
<div>
<p>On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jim Spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmsprin=
g@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jmspring@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></=
u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in=
 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p>Beerbistro and Loose Moose nearby have a number of taps. Bellwood Brewery=
 is probably a 10min cab ride away.
<br>
<br>
Anyone interested in seeing what local brews are available? <br>
<br>
-j <br>
<br>
Sent from my iThingy <br>
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Picked up by security in Epic restaurant. 

Apologies for the interruption. 

- Mark

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> On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> 
> i confuse between ietf and nanog.  but i thought we duplicated the nanog
> experiment at the ietf, testing both nat64 and pure 6.  and i definitely
> remember unhappiness, despite the short duration.
> 
> the meeting net is a production tool for folk who could not give a damn
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> waste precious plenary time <g> on the slightest little speedbump they
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There=92s a Bank of Montreal ATM below the Fairmont Royal York Hotel.

I used my United States Wells Fargo ATM card to withdraw $300 CAD, and =
it cost me $282 USD, which is basically today=92s inter-bank (zero =
commission) exchange rate, plus a $2 fee for using the ATM.

=46rom the Fairmont Royal York Hotel lobby, go down one more level into =
the Toronto PATH complex. Head eastwards, and the ATM is just before the =
escalator that connects into the adjacent Royal Bank Plaza.

I=92ve added this information to the meeting Wiki: =
<https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf90>

Stuart Cheshire


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In article <CFF2AC19.7139%sbanks@akamai.com> you write:
>It's worth noting that Canada's "Wall St" is Bay St, which is 2 blocks
>over (to the right, when you exit the front of the hotel). If Bank of
>Montreal doesn't suit you, the other major banks are located along Bay,
>with ample ATMs to serve you.

Assuming the front of the hotel is facing Union Station, Bay St is the
next street east, to your left.  To your right is York St, which has a
few banks (including the one I use) but the major ones are all on Bay.

Symmetrically,
John


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IETF90 attendees,

In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the technic=
al focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the relationship=
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 and if you'd like to encourage people who are remote to view the plenary, =
in addition to our regular audio stream and MeetEcho session, there will be=
 also be a live video stream at:

http://www.ietf.org/live/

Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be interest=
ed in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made available for lat=
er viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.

Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during the pl=
enary available at:

http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=3D21Jul14?

Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.

Dan

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<div>In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the te=
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nship between networks and geography. &nbsp;It should be quite an interesti=
ng session and if you'd like to encourage
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<div>Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during t=
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In article <CFF2AC19.7139%sbanks@akamai.com> you write:
>It's worth noting that Canada's "Wall St" is Bay St, which is 2 blocks
>over (to the right, when you exit the front of the hotel). If Bank of
>Montreal doesn't suit you, the other major banks are located along Bay,
>with ample ATMs to serve you.

If you come out the front of the Royal York, facing the train station,
Bay St is to the east, on your left, York St is to the west, on your
right.  The big five Canadian banks (RBC, TD, BMO, CIBC, Scotia) all
have offices on Bay St.  A few banks (HSBC) are on York St.

Symmetrically,
John


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There are two rogue DHCP servers on the wired network that are caused by
misconfigured routers in two hotel rooms.

First:

The device running DD-WRT is advertising a wireless network SSID of:

NSA Surveilance Van #77

(Yes, with surveilance spelled as seen...)

And an ethernet mac address of "cc:34:29:90:8b:49".

Second:

The device is a Linksys E1200 with an ethernet mac address of
"48:f8:b3:47:82:78".

If either these devices is yours please contact the help desk or NOC ASAP,
or disconnect it from the hotel network until it is properly configured.

Thanks!
The IETF NOC Team

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<div dir="ltr">There are two rogue DHCP servers on the wired network that are caused by misconfigured routers in two hotel rooms.<div><br></div><div>First:</div><div><br></div><div>The device running DD-WRT is advertising a wireless network SSID of:</div>

<div><br></div><div>NSA Surveilance Van #77</div><div><br></div><div>(Yes, with surveilance spelled as seen...)</div><div><br></div><div>And an ethernet mac address of &quot;cc:34:29:90:8b:49&quot;.</div>







<div><br></div><div>Second:</div><div><br></div><div>The device is a Linksys E1200 with an ethernet mac address of &quot;48:f8:b3:47:82:78&quot;.</div>







<div><br></div><div>If either these devices is yours please contact the help desk or NOC ASAP, or disconnect it from the hotel network until it is properly configured.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>The IETF NOC Team</div>

<div><br></div><div>Chris Elliott</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br>Chris Elliott<br><a href="mailto:chelliot@pobox.com">chelliot@pobox.com</a><br>
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Dear Dan,

thanks for the information.
I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they 
cannot access the stream.
I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were 
last time as well.

Regards, Corinna

Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:
> IETF90 attendees,
>
> In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the 
> technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the 
> relationship between networks and geography.  It should be quite an 
> interesting session and if you'd like to encourage people who are 
> remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular audio stream 
> and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a live video stream at:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/live/
>
> Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be 
> interested in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made 
> available for later viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.
>
> Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during 
> the plenary available at:
>
> http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14?
>
> Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.
>
> Dan
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Dan,<br>
      <br>
      thanks for the information.<br>
      I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they
      cannot access the stream.<br>
      I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems
      were last time as well.<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Corinna<br>
      <br>
      Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:<br>
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      <div>IETF90 attendees,</div>
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      </div>
      <div>In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary
        where the technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points
        (IXPs) and the relationship between networks and geography. &nbsp;It
        should be quite an interesting session and if you'd like to
        encourage people who are remote to view the plenary, in addition
        to our regular audio stream and MeetEcho session, there will be
        also be a live video stream at:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ietf.org/live/">http://www.ietf.org/live/</a></div>
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      </div>
      <div>Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think
        might be interested in this plenary. &nbsp;The video will be
        recording and made available for later viewing through the
        IETF's YouTube channel.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Separate from that there will also be live text transcription
        during the plenary available at:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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      <div>Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Dan</div>
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            <font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Senior Content Strategist,
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Corinna,

Hmm... can they please try the direct YouTube link at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwKYLKvk_AIw<https://m.facebook.com/l.php?=
u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&h=3DCAQEOcX2w&s=
=3D1>

We haven't done anything to restrict the access.  It is just the "regular" =
YouTube Live.

And yes, the live stream won't start until around 5:00pm.

Puzzled,
Dan

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On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" <schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch<mail=
to:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch>> wrote:

Dear Dan,

thanks for the information.
I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they cannot a=
ccess the stream.
I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were last =
time as well.

Regards, Corinna

Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:
IETF90 attendees,

In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the technic=
al focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the relationship=
 between networks and geography.  It should be quite an interesting session=
 and if you'd like to encourage people who are remote to view the plenary, =
in addition to our regular audio stream and MeetEcho session, there will be=
 also be a live video stream at:

http://www.ietf.org/live/

Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be interest=
ed in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made available for lat=
er viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.

Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during the pl=
enary available at:

http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=3D21Jul14?

Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.

Dan

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<div><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Puzzled,</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Dan</span></div>
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<div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">&#43;1-802-735-1624</div>
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, &quot;Dr. Corinna Schmitt&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch">schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Dear Dan,<br>
<br>
thanks for the information.<br>
I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they cannot a=
ccess the stream.<br>
I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were last =
time as well.<br>
<br>
Regards, Corinna<br>
<br>
Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:<br>
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<div>IETF90 attendees,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the te=
chnical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the relatio=
nship between networks and geography. &nbsp;It should be quite an interesti=
ng session and if you'd like to encourage
 people who are remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular audi=
o stream and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a live video stream at=
:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/live/">http://=
www.ietf.org/live/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be int=
erested in this plenary. &nbsp;The video will be recording and made availab=
le for later viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during t=
he plenary available at:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=
=3D21Jul14?">http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=3D21Jul14?</a>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan</div>
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I also have problem. The live stream is not available in your country due to
rights issues! 

 

Best,

Hosnieh

 

 

From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dan
York
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:47 PM
To: Dr. Corinna Schmitt
Cc: 90attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [90attendees] FYI - http://www.ietf.org/live/ for live video
streaming of today's Technical Plenary

 

Corinna,

 

Hmm... can they please try the direct YouTube link at 




 
<https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D
wKYLKvk_AIw&h=CAQEOcX2w&s=1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKYLKvk_AIw




We haven't done anything to restrict the access.  It is just the "regular"
YouTube Live. 





And yes, the live stream won't start until around 5:00pm. 

 

Puzzled,

Dan





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On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" <schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch>
wrote:

Dear Dan,

thanks for the information.
I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they cannot
access the stream.
I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were last
time as well.

Regards, Corinna

Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:

IETF90 attendees,

 

In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the
technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the
relationship between networks and geography.  It should be quite an
interesting session and if you'd like to encourage people who are remote to
view the plenary, in addition to our regular audio stream and MeetEcho
session, there will be also be a live video stream at:

 

http://www.ietf.org/live/

 

Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be
interested in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made available
for later viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.

 

Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during the
plenary available at:

 

http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14? 

 

Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.

 

Dan

 

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href=3D"https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2F=
watch%3Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&amp;h=3DCAQEOcX2w&amp;s=3D1" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>https:/</span><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>/</span><b><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>www.youtube.com</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>/</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>watch?v=3DwKYLKvk</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>_</span></b><b><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>AIw</span></b></a></span><br><br><br><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>We haven't done anything to =
restrict the access. &nbsp;It is just the &quot;regular&quot; YouTube =
Live.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And yes, the live stream won't start until around =
5:00pm.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Puzzled,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dan =
York<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:york@isoc.org">york@isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>+1-802-735-1624<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>skype:danyork<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://twitter.com/danyork">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, =
&quot;Dr. Corinna Schmitt&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch">schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dear Dan,<br><br>thanks for the =
information.<br>I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, =
that they cannot access the stream.<br>I know that the event has not =
started yet, but the same problems were last time as =
well.<br><br>Regards, Corinna<br><br>Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan =
York:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>IETF90 attendees,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical =
Plenary where the technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points =
(IXPs) and the relationship between networks and geography. &nbsp;It =
should be quite an interesting session and if you'd like to encourage =
people who are remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular =
audio stream and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a live video =
stream at:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/live/">http://www.ietf.org/live/</a><o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Please feel free to share that link with anyone you =
think might be interested in this plenary. &nbsp;The video will be =
recording and made available for later viewing through the IETF's =
YouTube channel.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Separate from that there will also be live text =
transcription during the plenary available =
at:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=3D21Jul14?">http://www.str=
eamtext.net/player?event=3D21Jul14?</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Feedback on either of these services is certainly =
welcome.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dan =
York<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Senior =
Content Strategist, Internet Society<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:york@isoc.org">york@isoc.org</a> &nbsp; =
+1-802-735-1624<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jabber: <a =
href=3D"mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org">york@jabber.isoc.org</a>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skype: =
danyork &nbsp; <a =
href=3D"http://twitter.com/danyork">http://twitter.com/danyork</a><o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/">http://www.internetsoc=
iety.org/deploy360/</a>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________=
________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>90attendees mailing =
list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a =
href=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org">90attendees@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p><=
/pre><pre><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees">https://www.ie=
tf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
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Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:

"Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht
möglich."

Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems in
Germany."


On 21.07.2014 22:47, Dan York wrote:
> Corinna,
> 
> Hmm... can they please try the direct YouTube link at 
> 
> https://*www.youtube.com/**watch?v=wKYLKvk_**AIw*
> <https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&h=CAQEOcX2w&s=1>
> 
> We haven't done anything to restrict the access.  It is just the
> "regular" YouTube Live. 
> 
> And yes, the live stream won't start until around 5:00pm. 
> 
> Puzzled,
> Dan
> 
> -- 
> Dan York
> york@isoc.org <mailto:york@isoc.org>
> +1-802-735-1624
> skype:danyork
> http://twitter.com/danyork
> 
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" <schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch
> <mailto:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch>> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Dan,
>>
>> thanks for the information.
>> I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they
>> cannot access the stream.
>> I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were
>> last time as well.
>>
>> Regards, Corinna
>>
>> Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:
>>> IETF90 attendees,
>>>
>>> In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the
>>> technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and the
>>> relationship between networks and geography.  It should be quite an
>>> interesting session and if you'd like to encourage people who are
>>> remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular audio stream
>>> and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a live video stream at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/live/
>>>
>>> Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be
>>> interested in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made
>>> available for later viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.
>>>
>>> Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during
>>> the plenary available at:
>>>
>>> http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14?
>>>
>>> Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan York
>>> Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society
>>> york@isoc.org <mailto:york@isoc.org>   +1-802-735-1624
>>> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org <mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org> 
>>> Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork
>>>
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/ 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 90attendees mailing list
>>> 90attendees@ietf.org
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Dear Dan,

by college in Germany just tested it again. It says: "Restricted in 
Germany".

Regards,
Corinna

Am 21.07.14 16:47, schrieb Dan York:
> Corinna,
>
> Hmm... can they please try the direct YouTube link at
>
> https://*www.youtube.com/**watch?v=wKYLKvk_**AIw* 
> <https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&h=CAQEOcX2w&s=1>
>
> We haven't done anything to restrict the access.  It is just the 
> "regular" YouTube Live.
>
> And yes, the live stream won't start until around 5:00pm.
>
> Puzzled,
> Dan
>
> -- 
> Dan York
> york@isoc.org <mailto:york@isoc.org>
> +1-802-735-1624
> skype:danyork
> http://twitter.com/danyork
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" <schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch 
> <mailto:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dan,
>>
>> thanks for the information.
>> I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany, that they 
>> cannot access the stream.
>> I know that the event has not started yet, but the same problems were 
>> last time as well.
>>
>> Regards, Corinna
>>
>> Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:
>>> IETF90 attendees,
>>>
>>> In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical Plenary where the 
>>> technical focus will be about Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and 
>>> the relationship between networks and geography.  It should be quite 
>>> an interesting session and if you'd like to encourage people who are 
>>> remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular audio stream 
>>> and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a live video stream at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/live/
>>>
>>> Please feel free to share that link with anyone you think might be 
>>> interested in this plenary.  The video will be recording and made 
>>> available for later viewing through the IETF's YouTube channel.
>>>
>>> Separate from that there will also be live text transcription during 
>>> the plenary available at:
>>>
>>> http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14?
>>>
>>> Feedback on either of these services is certainly welcome.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan York
>>> Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society
>>> york@isoc.org <mailto:york@isoc.org>   +1-802-735-1624
>>> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org <mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org>
>>> Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork <http://twitter.com/danyork>
>>>
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 90attendees mailing list
>>> 90attendees@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees
>>
>>
>> -- 
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Dan,<br>
      <br>
      by college in Germany just tested it again. It says: "Restricted
      in Germany".<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Corinna<br>
      <br>
      Am 21.07.14 16:47, schrieb Dan York:<br>
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      <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Corinna,</div>
      <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
      </div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Hmm... can they
          please try the direct YouTube link at&nbsp;</span><br>
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            class="text_exposed_show" style="display: inline;"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&amp;h=CAQEOcX2w&amp;s=1"
              target="_blank" style="cursor: pointer; text-decoration:
              none;">https://<wbr><b><span class="word_break"></span>www.youtube.com/</b><wbr><b><span
                  class="word_break"></span>watch?v=wKYLKvk_</b><wbr><b><span
                  class="word_break"></span>AIw</b></a></span></span><br>
        <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
        </span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">We haven't done
          anything to restrict the access. &nbsp;It is just the "regular"
          YouTube Live.&nbsp;</span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
        </span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">And yes, the
          live stream won't start until around 5:00pm.&nbsp;</span></div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Puzzled,</span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Dan</span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
        </span></div>
      <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">--</span>
        <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Dan York</div>
        <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@isoc.org">york@isoc.org</a></div>
        <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">+1-802-735-1624</div>
        <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="skype:danyork">skype:danyork</a></div>
        <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://twitter.com/danyork">http://twitter.com/danyork</a></div>
      </div>
      <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
        On Jul 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" &lt;<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch">schmitt@ifi.uzh.ch</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
        <div>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Dan,<br>
            <br>
            thanks for the information.<br>
            I just received the answer from Switzerland and Germany,
            that they cannot access the stream.<br>
            I know that the event has not started yet, but the same
            problems were last time as well.<br>
            <br>
            Regards, Corinna<br>
            <br>
            Am 21.07.14 16:18, schrieb Dan York:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote
            cite="mid:E8D072D6-AFE4-400B-8905-082DF1F50DCC@isoc.org"
            type="cite">
            <div>IETF90 attendees,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>In about an hour (17:10) we'll have the Technical
              Plenary where the technical focus will be about Internet
              Exchange Points (IXPs) and the relationship between
              networks and geography. &nbsp;It should be quite an interesting
              session and if you'd like to encourage people who are
              remote to view the plenary, in addition to our regular
              audio stream and MeetEcho session, there will be also be a
              live video stream at:</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.ietf.org/live/">http://www.ietf.org/live/</a></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Please feel free to share that link with anyone you
              think might be interested in this plenary. &nbsp;The video will
              be recording and made available for later viewing through
              the IETF's YouTube channel.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Separate from that there will also be live text
              transcription during the plenary available at:</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14?">http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=21Jul14?</a>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Feedback on either of these services is certainly
              welcome.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Dan</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div apple-content-edited="true">
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  --</div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Dan York</font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Senior Content
                    Strategist, Internet Society</font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:york@isoc.org">york@isoc.org</a>
                    &nbsp; +1-802-735-1624</font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Jabber: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org">
                      york@jabber.isoc.org</a>&nbsp;</font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Skype: danyork &nbsp; <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://twitter.com/danyork">
                      http://twitter.com/danyork</a></font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size:
                  14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
                  <font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/">http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/</a>&nbsp;</font></div>
              </div>
              <br>
            </div>
            <br>
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On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
>
> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht
> m=F6glich."
>
> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems in
> Germany."

Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not
available in Germany, period.

Melinda



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Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den

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>=20
> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
> > Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
> >
> > "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht
> > m=F6glich."
> >
> > Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems in
> > Germany."
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> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not available in
> Germany, period.
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I think the reason is that a TV station license would be needed.

Regards,
Roland


On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher wrote:
> Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=en
>
> Dirk
>
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>>
>> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
>>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
>>>
>>> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht
>>> möglich."
>>>
>>> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems in
>>> Germany."
>> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not available in
>> Germany, period.
>>
>> Melinda
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Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I watch some
Youtube live streams regularly in Germany without restrictions.

On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher wrote:
> Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=en
> 
> Dirk
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> To: 90attendees@ietf.org
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>>
>> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
>>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
>>>
>>> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht
>>> möglich."
>>>
>>> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems in
>>> Germany."
>>
>> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not available in
>> Germany, period.
>>
>> Melinda
>>
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I found this: =
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03464619987/stupid-antiquated-g=
erman-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-our-google-hangout-with-rob-r=
eid-yesterday.shtml

Maybe there is a =91head count=92 over which streams become restricted.

regards

-Carlos



On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Michael Faath =
<michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de> wrote:

> Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I watch some
> Youtube live streams regularly in Germany without restrictions.
>=20
> On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher wrote:
>> Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den
>>=20
>> Dirk
>>=20
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Melinda Shore
>>> Sent: Montag, 21. Juli 2014 22:55
>>> To: 90attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [90attendees] FYI - http://www.ietf.org/live/ for live =
video
>>> streaming of today's Technical Plenary
>>>=20
>>> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
>>>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
>>>>=20
>>>> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider =
nicht
>>>> m=F6glich."
>>>>=20
>>>> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal problems =
in
>>>> Germany."
>>>=20
>>> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not =
available in
>>> Germany, period.
>>>=20
>>> Melinda
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I =
found this:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03464619987/stupid-anti=
quated-german-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-our-google-hangout-wi=
th-rob-reid-yesterday.shtml">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03=
464619987/stupid-antiquated-german-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-=
our-google-hangout-with-rob-reid-yesterday.shtml</a><br><div =
apple-content-edited=3D"true">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Console'; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>Maybe there is a =91head =
count=92 over which streams become =
restricted.</div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>-Car=
los</div></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" style=3D"color: =
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<br><div><div>On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Michael Faath &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de">michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de<=
/a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I =
watch some<br>Youtube live streams regularly in Germany without =
restrictions.<br><br>On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Exactly: <a =
href=3D"https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den">https:/=
/support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den</a><br><br>Dirk<br><br>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original Message-----<br>From: =
90attendees [<a =
href=3D"mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:90attendees-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>Melinda Shore<br>Sent: Montag, 21. Juli 2014 =
22:55<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org">90attendees@ietf.org</a><br>Subject: =
Re: [90attendees] FYI - <a =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/live/">http://www.ietf.org/live/</a> for =
live video<br>streaming of today's Technical Plenary<br><br>On 7/21/14, =
4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Same problem =
as at the last two IETF meetings:<br><br>"Live Streaming ist wegen =
Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider =
nicht<br>m=F6glich."<br><br>Translates to "Live Streaming is not =
possible due to legal problems in<br>Germany."<br></blockquote><br>Yes, =
my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not available =
in<br>Germany, =
period.<br><br>Melinda<br><br><br>________________________________________=
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Maybe depends on your IP address. I guess Deutsche Telekom is blocked!
I sometimes had no problem with O2.

Best,
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> Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I watch some =
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live
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> On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher wrote:
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> >>
> >> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
> >>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
> >>>
> >>> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider
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> >>> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal =
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> >>> in Germany."
> >>
> >> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not =
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> >>
> >> Melinda
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Or maybe the mapping from IP address to country is not up-to-date.

On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo =
<carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> I found this: =
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03464619987/stupid-antiquated-g=
erman-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-our-google-hangout-with-rob-r=
eid-yesterday.shtml
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> Maybe there is a =91head count=92 over which streams become =
restricted.
>=20
> regards
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> -Carlos
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Michael Faath =
<michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de> wrote:
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>> Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I watch some
>> Youtube live streams regularly in Germany without restrictions.
>>=20
>> On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher wrote:
>>> Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den
>>>=20
>>> Dirk
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of
>>>> Melinda Shore
>>>> Sent: Montag, 21. Juli 2014 22:55
>>>> To: 90attendees@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [90attendees] FYI - http://www.ietf.org/live/ for live =
video
>>>> streaming of today's Technical Plenary
>>>>=20
>>>> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
>>>>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> "Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider =
nicht
>>>>> m=F6glich."
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Translates to "Live Streaming is not possible due to legal =
problems in
>>>>> Germany."
>>>>=20
>>>> Yes, my understanding is that Youtube live streaming is not =
available in
>>>> Germany, period.
>>>>=20
>>>> Melinda
>>>>=20
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charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Or =
maybe the mapping from IP address to country is not =
up-to-date.<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:25 PM, =
Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:carlos@lacnic.net">carlos@lacnic.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I =
found this:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03464619987/stupid-anti=
quated-german-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-our-google-hangout-wi=
th-rob-reid-yesterday.shtml">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120810/03=
464619987/stupid-antiquated-german-regulations-mean-germans-couldnt-watch-=
our-google-hangout-with-rob-reid-yesterday.shtml</a><br><div =
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<div style=3D"font-family: 'Lucida Console'; font-size: 12px; =
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widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>Maybe there is a =91head =
count=92 over which streams become =
restricted.</div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>-Car=
los</div></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" =
style=3D"font-family: 'Lucida Console'; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
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</div>
<br><div><div>On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Michael Faath &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de">michael.faath@hs-augsburg.de<=
/a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Interesting, I guess there are exceptions to this as I =
watch some<br>Youtube live streams regularly in Germany without =
restrictions.<br><br>On 21.07.2014 23:00, Dirk Kutscher =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Exactly: <a =
href=3D"https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den">https:/=
/support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den</a><br><br>Dirk<br><br>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original Message-----<br>From: =
90attendees [<a =
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live video<br>streaming of today's Technical Plenary<br><br>On 7/21/14, =
4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Same problem =
as at the last two IETF meetings:<br><br>"Live Streaming ist wegen =
Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider =
nicht<br>m=F6glich."<br><br>Translates to "Live Streaming is not =
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Dirk and Michael,

On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu>
 wrote:

> Exactly: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den

Ah, thanks for pointing out the explanation.

>> On 7/21/14, 4:53 PM, Michael Faath wrote:
>>> Same problem as at the last two IETF meetings:

My apologies for not remembering that from past meetings.  At this precise =
moment there is unfortunately not much we can do so I apologize to potentia=
l viewers in Germany for at least not letting them know they would not be a=
ble to watch the live stream.

Viewers in Germany should be able to watch the MeetEcho stream at:=20

http://www.meetecho.com/ietf90/tech_plenary

At some point I would welcome suggestions from anyone who might have experi=
ence with live streaming into Germany about how we might be able to do this=
 in the future.  A key point of why we use YouTube Live is that our stream =
can go over IPv6 and can make use of YouTube's scaling capabilities as well=
 as the automatic archiving to the IETF's YouTube channel.

Thanks for the info,
Dan=


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On 21/07/14 16:47, Dan York wrote:

> Hmm... can they please try the direct YouTube link at=20
>=20
> https://*www.youtube.com/**watch?v=3DwKYLKvk_**AIw*

Actually in my e-mail client, that link was in reality something quite
different ;-)

(https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3=
Fv%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&h=3DCAQEOcX2w&s=3D1)

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Does anyone know where I can buy a new charger for a hp pavilion 86?

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Marco,

On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:18 PM, "Marco Davids (SIDN)" <marco.davids@sidn.nl<ma=
ilto:marco.davids@sidn.nl>>
 wrote:

Actually in my e-mail client, that link was in reality something quite
different ;-)

(https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv=
%3DwKYLKvk_AIw&h=3DCAQEOcX2w&s=3D1)

DOH!  Copy-and-paste fail on my iPhone! I was trying to respond while movin=
g between rooms and the YouTube link on the Facebook page was the easiest o=
ne I could fine...   at this point it may no longer be relevant, but this i=
s the "regular" link for the live stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwKYLKvk_AIw

That link will also have the *recording* of the Technical Plenary so if som=
eone wants to watch the session later they can just go to that URL.

Dan

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Marco,
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<div>On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:18 PM, &quot;Marco Davids (SIDN)&quot; &lt;<a hr=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Actually in my e-mail client, that link was in re=
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 easiest one I could fine... &nbsp; at this point it may no longer be relev=
ant, but this is the &quot;regular&quot; link for the
 live stream:</div>
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There is a Best Buy at Bay and Dundas, due north of the hotel about 1.5km.
They may have a universal laptop power supply, not likely they would have
something model specific.

If they don't have what you need there are a number of computer stores,
including Canada Computers, near the intersection of College and Spadina
streets. That is about 3km from the venue, a 40 minute walk or accessible
via subway and the College (506) streetcar.
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> There=E2=80=99s a Best Buy in Eaton Center, about a 15min walk away.
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>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
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> Does anyone know where I can buy a new charger for a hp pavilion 86?
>
> /Loa
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<p dir=3D"ltr">There is a Best Buy at Bay and Dundas, due north of the hote=
l about 1.5km. They may have a universal laptop power supply, not likely th=
ey would have something model specific. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">If they don&#39;t have what you need there are a number of c=
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e and Spadina streets. That is about 3km from the venue, a 40 minute walk o=
r accessible via subway and the College (506) streetcar. </p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 21, 2014 6:50 PM, &quot;Carlos Martinez C=
agnazzo&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carlos@lacnic.net">carlos@lacnic.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">There=E2=80=99s a Best Buy in Eaton Cen=
ter, about a 15min walk away.<br><div>
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ze:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spa=
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<div><br>--</div><div>Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo</div><div>LACNIC CTO - Geren=
te =C3=81rea T=C3=A9cnica</div><div><a href=3D"tel:%2B598-26042222" value=
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Another option is Staples on Yonge north of King.  I just got a charger for=
 my laptop there this afternoon. Northeast of hotel.
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From: Evan Leibovitch<mailto:evan@telly.org>
Sent: =FD7/=FD21/=FD2014 19:17
To: Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo<mailto:carlos@lacnic.net>
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] charger for hp pavilion 86


There is a Best Buy at Bay and Dundas, due north of the hotel about 1.5km. =
They may have a universal laptop power supply, not likely they would have s=
omething model specific.

If they don't have what you need there are a number of computer stores, inc=
luding Canada Computers, near the intersection of College and Spadina stree=
ts. That is about 3km from the venue, a 40 minute walk or accessible via su=
bway and the College (506) streetcar.

On Jul 21, 2014 6:50 PM, "Carlos Martinez Cagnazzo" <carlos@lacnic.net<mail=
to:carlos@lacnic.net>> wrote:
There=92s a Best Buy in Eaton Center, about a 15min walk away.

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LACNIC CTO - Gerente ?rea T=E9cnica
+598-26042222<tel:%2B598-26042222> // +598-91-500330<tel:%2B598-91-500330>
carlos@lacnic.net<mailto:carlos@lacnic.net>
@carlosm3011




On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>> wr=
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Does anyone know where I can buy a new charger for a hp pavilion 86?

/Loa
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt">Another optio=
n is Staples on Yonge north of King.&nbsp; I just got a charger for my lapt=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">There is a Best Buy at Bay and Dundas, due north of the hote=
l about 1.5km. They may have a universal laptop power supply, not likely th=
ey would have something model specific.
</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">If they don't have what you need there are a number of compu=
ter stores, including Canada Computers, near the intersection of College an=
d Spadina streets. That is about 3km from the venue, a 40 minute walk or ac=
cessible via subway and the College
 (506) streetcar. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 21, 2014 6:50 PM, &quot;Carlos Martinez C=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">There=92s a Best Buy in Eaton Center, a=
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Does anyone know where I can buy a new charger for a hp pavilion 86?<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
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I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators on the
Convention level. Does anybody know if it's there just to hide the cigarette
burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?

 

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I played it. Nobody stopped me.
On Jul 21, 2014 7:49 PM, "Paul Coverdale" <coverdale@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators on the
> Convention level. Does anybody know if it=E2=80=99s there just to hide th=
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> cigarette burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I played it. Nobody stopped me.</p>
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Paul,

I haven't arrived yet so I definitely don't know. However,  a close friend =
had a similar question in Indianapolis about 20 years ago and decided not t=
o ask. He enjoyed playing for about fifteen minutes, and then security was =
very nice when they told him that the piano was off limits after all.

Don


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Date:07/21/2014 10:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 90attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [90attendees] The piano...

I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators on the C=
onvention level. Does anybody know if it=92s there just to hide the cigaret=
te burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?

...Paul

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>I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators on the Convention level. Does anybody know if it’s there just to hide
>the cigarette burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?

Someone was playing it.  In this case it is definitely easier to beg
forgiveness than to ask permission.


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> I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators on the C=
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garette burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?

I had the pleasure of listening to a young lady play it just before Plenary l=
ast night. It's waiting to be played.=20

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On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
> I had the pleasure of listening to a young lady play it just before =
Plenary last night. It's waiting to be played.=20

There are actually a number of pianos around.   I practiced on one for =
about a half hour--the one by the elevators.   It's in decent tune, and =
can be played softly enough to avoid massive embarrassment if (like me) =
you are not particularly good.   So I say go for it.   And if you are a =
virtuoso, don't bother with the soft pedal.   :)



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The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent musician=
s are represented within our ranks?

For me, it is:

* Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
* Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the S.P.E.B.S.=
Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!


So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)


-Guy=


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I wouldn't describe myself as a musician, but I'm trying to get back =
into playing piano after years of neglect, so you may see me at the =
elevator bank from time to time.   I sang in an a capella concert in =
Guilford, VT in June; it was a lot of fun, and the first time I'd sung =
in concert since I was a soprano.


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I play bass, guitar, and piano. Have a couple originals.

Of possible relevance to this group are

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3DdvdLQh1U (it gpls me)

And http://www.taht.net/~mtaht/songs/Cybernation.html

(That song has been updated a lot for modern times... I should update the
lyrics page...)
 On Jul 22, 2014 6:09 AM, "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't describe myself as a musician, but I'm trying to get back into
> playing piano after years of neglect, so you may see me at the elevator
> bank from time to time.   I sang in an a capella concert in Guilford, VT in
> June; it was a lot of fun, and the first time I'd sung in concert since I
> was a soprano.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I play bass, guitar, and piano. Have a couple originals.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Of possible relevance to this group are</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC3DdvdLQh1U">http:=
//m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC3DdvdLQh1U</a> (it gpls me)</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">And <a href=3D"http://www.taht.net/~mtaht/songs/Cybernation.=
html">http://www.taht.net/~mtaht/songs/Cybernation.html</a></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">(That song has been updated a lot for modern times... I shou=
ld update the lyrics page...)<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2014 6:09 AM, &quot;Ted Lemon&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mellon@fugue.com">mellon@fugue.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br t=
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I wouldn&#39;t describe myself as a musician, but I&#39;m trying to get bac=
k into playing piano after years of neglect, so you may see me at the eleva=
tor bank from time to time. =C2=A0 I sang in an a capella concert in Guilfo=
rd, VT in June; it was a lot of fun, and the first time I&#39;d sung in con=
cert since I was a soprano.<br>

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On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) =
<jhildebr@cisco.com> wrote:

> On 7/22/14, 9:03 AM, "Guy Meador III (meadorg)" <meadorg@cisco.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
>> musicians are represented within our ranks?
>>=20
>> For me, it is:
>>=20
>> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
>> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the
>> S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>=20
> Whoa.  We found a tenor!  I'm a barbershop Lead, and Michael Ramalho =
is a
> Bari.  Anyone willing to sing Bass?  Even if you've never sung =
barbershop
> before, we can walk you through one of the easy songs if you've got =
some
> basic skills.

I'm a tenor, but I'm willing to sing bass if we've got a quorum of =
barbershoppers...

Casey


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On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) =
<jhildebr@cisco.com> wrote:
> Whoa.  We found a tenor!  I'm a barbershop Lead, and Michael Ramalho =
is a
> Bari.  Anyone willing to sing Bass?  Even if you've never sung =
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> before, we can walk you through one of the easy songs if you've got =
some
> basic skills.

I might be able to pull off baritone (tenor is too high) but can't hit =
the low notes of a bass part with any volume.


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* bassoon
* alto

On 7/22/14, 9:03 AM, Guy Meador III (meadorg) wrote:
> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent musicians are represented within our ranks?
>
> For me, it is:
>
> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>
>
> So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)
>
>
> -Guy
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I also played both it, as well as the piano in the concert hall. The one 
in the concert hall is in better tune. :-)

     Tony Hansen

On 7/21/14, 10:55 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> I played it. Nobody stopped me.
>
> On Jul 21, 2014 7:49 PM, "Paul Coverdale" <coverdale@sympatico.ca 
> <mailto:coverdale@sympatico.ca>> wrote:
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>     I noticed a somewhat beaten-up baby grand piano near the elevators
>     on the Convention level. Does anybody know if it's there just to
>     hide the cigarette burns on the carpet, or is it waiting to be played?
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    I also played both it, as well as the piano in the concert hall. The
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    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tony Hansen<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/21/14, 10:55 PM, Dave Taht wrote:<br>
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On 7/22/14, 9:12 AM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote:
> On 7/22/14, 9:03 AM, "Guy Meador III (meadorg)" <meadorg@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
>> musicians are represented within our ranks?
>>
>> For me, it is:
>>
>> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
>> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the
>> S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
> Whoa.  We found a tenor!  I'm a barbershop Lead, and Michael Ramalho is a
> Bari.  Anyone willing to sing Bass?  Even if you've never sung barbershop
> before, we can walk you through one of the easy songs if you've got some
> basic skills.

I sing bass. I prefer singing from music rather than from ear -- give me 
music and I'll sing just about anything.

     Tony


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> >The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
> >musicians are represented within our ranks?
> >
> >For me, it is:
> >
> >* Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
> >* Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the
> >S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>=20
> Whoa.  We found a tenor!  I'm a barbershop Lead, and Michael Ramalho is a
> Bari.  Anyone willing to sing Bass?  Even if you've never sung barbershop
> before, we can walk you through one of the easy songs if you've got some
> basic skills.

I just got back from a weeklong early music workshop playing renaissance tr=
ombone and baroque recorders, with a bit of shaped note and madrigal singin=
g (alto/tenor) thrown in. For modern repertoire (classical/jazz) I play tru=
mpet. Never tried barbershop/sweet adeline singing. If y'all were willing t=
o allow for female participation, I think that might be fun.=20
Barbara


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I'm a drummer.
And this is a link that the musicians among us could be interested in:
http://www.vex.net/~bigsmoke/jam.py

Cheers,
Michael


On 22. juli 2014, at 15:32, Karen ODonoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> wrote:

> * bassoon
> * alto
>=20
> On 7/22/14, 9:03 AM, Guy Meador III (meadorg) wrote:
>> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent =
musicians are represented within our ranks?
>>=20
>> For me, it is:
>>=20
>> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
>> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the =
S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>>=20
>>=20
>> So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)
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>>=20
>> -Guy
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That's a good description of my abilities too.=20

-Rick

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Keyboards....(strictly amateur)!

Cheers
D

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The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent musician=
s are represented within our ranks?

For me, it is:

* Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
* Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the S.P.E.B.S.=
Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!


So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)


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On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> wrote:
> I also played both it, as well as the piano in the concert hall. The =
one in the concert hall is in better tune. :-)

Good to know. :)


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Keyboards for me too, and also strictly amateur... I don't read music, just
follow the chord names with my left hand and improvise the melody (by ear)
with the right. This has the advantage that I never play the same song
twice. But I play at the local Seniors Residence from time to time, and they
seem to like it.

..Paul

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>Keyboards....(strictly amateur)!
>
>Cheers
>D
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>The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
>musicians are represented within our ranks?
>
>For me, it is:
>
>* Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
>* Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the
>S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>
>
>So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:37:25PM +0200, Michael Welzl wrote:

> I'm a drummer.

Cool. I am bass guitar player.

/js

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"" style=3D"">Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesday=
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Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) writes:
> I'll be sending out music to folks that have expressed interest.

I'm an on-the-fence Tenor 2.  I've been following the discussion with
interest and probably would stop by depending on time and other
conflicts, and not quite ready to commit to performing.


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I am interested in paying them a visit (though cannot stay for long) . If
there is a group we can go together.

Ghaleb

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor Michael C. Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>
wrote:

> Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
>
> Nestor
>
>
>
>   On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40 AM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pwouters@redhat.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesday evening
> 6pm-midnight. It's located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, in
> Kensington Market. It's
> about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car
> west to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)
>
> See http://hacklab.to/
>
> 1 minute away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in
> Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/ They close at 9pm. It
> has powered
> some drafts and an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early
> afternoon on a weekday, you'll be able to smell beans being roasted inside.
>
> Sadly I have no advise for good coffee near the conference. There is none
> :/
>
> Paul
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I am interested in paying=C2=A0them a visit (though cannot stay for long)=
=C2=A0. If there is a group we can go together.<br><br>Ghaleb<div><span></s=
pan><br>On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor Michael C. Tiglao &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-col=
or:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Gra=
nde,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div>Anyone going to HackLab tonight?=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div><span></span></div><div style=3D"background-color:transparent">Nes=
tor</div><div><br></div> <div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block"> <=
div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucid=
a Grande,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
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ida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Aria=
l"> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40 AM, Paul Wouters &lt;<a href=3D"javascr=
ipt:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;pwouters@redhat.com&#39;);" target=3D"_bl=
ank">pwouters@redhat.com</a>&gt;
 wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(1=
6,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">  <br><br> <div>=
Hi,<br><br>Toronto&#39;s hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesda=
y evening 6pm-midnight. It&#39;s located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicte=
d, in Kensington Market. It&#39;s<br>
about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car wes=
t to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)<br><br>See <a href=3D"=
http://hacklab.to/" target=3D"_blank">http://hacklab.to/</a><br><br>1 minut=
e away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in Toronto, Mo=
on Bean: <a href=3D"http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.moonbeancoffee.com/
 </a> They close at 9pm. It has powered<br>some drafts and an RFC :) If you=
 go there in the morning or early afternoon on a weekday, you&#39;ll be abl=
e to smell beans being roasted inside.<br><br>Sadly I have no advise for go=
od coffee near the conference. There is none :/<br>
<br>Paul<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>90attend=
ees mailing list<br><a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;90a=
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te></div><br><br>-- <br>-Ghaleb<br>

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I'm interested in going.  Makerspaces are cool.

--aaron


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am interested in paying them a visit (though cannot stay for long) . If
> there is a group we can go together.
>
> Ghaleb
>
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor Michael C. Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
>>
>> Nestor
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40 AM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesday evening
>> 6pm-midnight. It's located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, in
>> Kensington Market. It's
>> about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car
>> west to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)
>>
>> See http://hacklab.to/
>>
>> 1 minute away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in
>> Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/ They close at 9pm. It
>> has powered
>> some drafts and an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early
>> afternoon on a weekday, you'll be able to smell beans being roasted inside.
>>
>> Sadly I have no advise for good coffee near the conference. There is none
>> :/
>>
>> Paul
>>
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iv><br></div><div>--aaron</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Ghaleb Al Habian =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ghabian@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">ghabian@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am interested in paying=C2=A0them a visit =
(though cannot stay for long)=C2=A0. If there is a group we can go together=
.<br><br>
Ghaleb<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><div><span></span><br>On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor M=
ichael C. Tiglao &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph" target=3D"_bl=
ank">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-col=
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nde,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">


<div>Anyone going to HackLab tonight?=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div><span></span></div><div style=3D"background-color:transparent">Nes=
tor</div><div><br></div> <div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block"> <=
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l"> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40 AM, Paul Wouters &lt;<a>pwouters@redhat=
.com</a>&gt;
 wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(1=
6,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">  <br><br> <div>=
Hi,<br><br>Toronto&#39;s hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesda=
y evening 6pm-midnight. It&#39;s located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicte=
d, in Kensington Market. It&#39;s<br>


about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car wes=
t to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)<br><br>See <a href=3D"=
http://hacklab.to/" target=3D"_blank">http://hacklab.to/</a><br><br>1 minut=
e away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in Toronto, Mo=
on Bean: <a href=3D"http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.moonbeancoffee.com/
 </a> They close at 9pm. It has powered<br>some drafts and an RFC :) If you=
 go there in the morning or early afternoon on a weekday, you&#39;ll be abl=
e to smell beans being roasted inside.<br><br>Sadly I have no advise for go=
od coffee near the conference. There is none :/<br>


<br>Paul<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>90attend=
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cool, i would like to join

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Aaron Falk <falk-ietf@dgftech.com> wrote:
> I'm interested in going.  Makerspaces are cool.
>
> --aaron
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in paying them a visit (though cannot stay for long) . If
>> there is a group we can go together.
>>
>> Ghaleb
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor Michael C. Tiglao
>> <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
>>>
>>> Nestor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40 AM, Paul Wouters <pwouters@redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesday evening
>>> 6pm-midnight. It's located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, in
>>> Kensington Market. It's
>>> about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car
>>> west to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensington)
>>>
>>> See http://hacklab.to/
>>>
>>> 1 minute away from HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in
>>> Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/ They close at 9pm. It has
>>> powered
>>> some drafts and an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early
>>> afternoon on a weekday, you'll be able to smell beans being roasted inside.
>>>
>>> Sadly I have no advise for good coffee near the conference. There is none
>>> :/
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 90attendees mailing list
>>> 90attendees@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Ghaleb
>>
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On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:12 AM, "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.co=
m>
 wrote:

> On 7/22/14, 9:03 AM, "Guy Meador III (meadorg)" <meadorg@cisco.com> wrote=
:
>=20
>> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
>> musicians are represented within our ranks?
>>=20
>> For me, it is:
>>=20
>> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
>> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the
>> S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>=20
> Whoa.  We found a tenor!  I'm a barbershop Lead, and Michael Ramalho is a
> Bari.  Anyone willing to sing Bass?  Even if you've never sung barbershop
> before, we can walk you through one of the easy songs if you've got some
> basic skills.

If you still need a Bass, that's what I typically sing. Haven't done barber=
shop but sung lots of other types of music.  When are you thinking of singi=
ng something during the week?

Dan


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On 14/07/22, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
> > >The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
> > >musicians are represented within our ranks?

> I just got back from a weeklong early music workshop playing renaissance
> trombone and baroque recorders, with a bit of shaped note and madrigal
> singing (alto/tenor) thrown in. For modern repertoire (classical/jazz) I play
> trumpet. Never tried barbershop/sweet adeline singing. If y'all were willing
> to allow for female participation, I think that might be fun. 

Ooh, neat!  Where?  CAMMAC?  (My dad, David Briggs was there week 2 playing bass viol.)

I'm headed there by bike from Ottawa Saturday with my kids as soon as I get
back from here Friday night:
	http://tricolour.ca/photos/2013/07/21/12-18-17i1.html
	(notice my daughter's violin in the white bag on my rear rack)

I brought a soprano recorder with me this trip.  I used to play bassoon and a
bit of trumpet.  I've been singing bass in the annual "Come Sing Messiah" since
sometime after I sang soprano at the cenotaph in Ottawa on Remembrance Day in
the late '70s.

Four years ago I picked up a 50 year old Hammond M3 spinet organ with Leslie
speaker and have been attempting to learn keyboards since...

> Barbara

	slainte mhath, RGB

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Hello folks,

I play guitar, and sing bass.  I've been in the STOCtet for several years,
and would be willing to try barbershop but don't have much experience
making up bass lines on the spot.

I've done classical guitar performance at recent IETFs, and I did bring
my guitar this time for that purpose, but I just broke my fingernail down
to the quick and can't make good tones with what's left.  So I reckon I'll
wait and perform at IETF 91.  New tunes: Beatles arrangements,
Pachelbel Canon in D...

I wonder if it would make sense to have IETF Open Mike...  If so, I'd
get up and sing a couple of tune :-)

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 7/22/2014 6:40 AM, David Allan I wrote:
> Keyboards....(strictly amateur)!
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:04 AM
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> The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent musicians are represented within our ranks?
>
> For me, it is:
>
> * Trombone (Symphonic, Big Band, etc.)
> * Vocal - Tenor; love to harmonize; although not a member of the S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A., Barbershop singing is always fun!
>
>
> So, for a little fun, chime in (:D)
>
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"Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph> wrote
Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:

| Anyone going to HackLab tonight?Â 

I'm up for that.

Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15 minutes after the last sessions
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On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" <linus@nordu.net> wrote:
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I also played both too, and I also agree that the concert hall one is in
better tune, the other one has 2 or 3 distorted tones in the middle.

El 22/07/14 09:42, Ted Lemon escribió:
> On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> wrote:
>> I also played both it, as well as the piano in the concert hall. The one in the concert hall is in better tune. :-)
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so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?



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Dear IETF attendees:

 

I have 1 spare ticket of tonight's social event. 

Anyone who need it, pls. feel free to contact me directly.

I am still in the sessions of IETF90 now.

.and can meet you at the door of terminal room anytime you want. J

 

 

Best Regards,

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PS. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/social.html

 


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Ping via unicast if interested.=20

I think we might actually have more than one available but not sure.

Cheers,

-Markus

P.S. Perhaps we should get some social ticket routing system for future =
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=0A>Hi,=0A>=0A>Toronto's hackerspace HackLab is open to guests every Tuesda=
y evening 6pm-midnight. It's located, as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, i=
n Kensington Market. It's=0A>about 10-15 minutes by streetcar from the conf=
erence (Take a street car west to Spadina, then switch going north to Kensi=
ngton)=0A>=0A>See http://hacklab.to/=0A>=0A>1 minute away from HackLab is w=
hat I consider the best coffee place in Toronto, Moon Bean: http://www.moon=
beancoffee.com/  They close at 9pm. It has powered=0A>some drafts and an RF=
C :) If you go there in the morning or early afternoon on a weekday, you'll=
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 <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container">Hi,<br><br>Toronto's hackerspace H=
ackLab is open to guests every Tuesday evening 6pm-midnight. It's located, =
as Cory Doctorow rightly predicted, in Kensington Market. It's<br>about 10-=
15 minutes by streetcar from the conference (Take a street car west to Spad=
ina, then switch going north to Kensington)<br><br>See <a href=3D"http://ha=
cklab.to/" target=3D"_blank">http://hacklab.to/</a><br><br>1 minute away fr=
om HackLab is what I consider the best coffee place in Toronto, Moon Bean: =
<a href=3D"http://www.moonbeancoffee.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.moo=
nbeancoffee.com/ </a> They close at 9pm. It has powered<br>some drafts and =
an RFC :) If you go there in the morning or early afternoon on a weekday, y=
ou'll be able to smell beans being roasted inside.<br><br>Sadly I have no a=
dvise for good coffee near the conference. There is none
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On 14/07/22, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
> > >The discussion thread about the piano made me wonder how prevalent
> > >musicians are represented within our ranks?

> I just got back from a weeklong early music workshop playing renaissance
> trombone and baroque recorders, with a bit of shaped note and madrigal
> singing (alto/tenor) thrown in. For modern repertoire (classical/jazz) I play
> trumpet. Never tried barbershop/sweet adeline singing. If y'all were willing
> to allow for female participation, I think that might be fun. 

Ooh, neat!  Where?  CAMMAC?  (My dad, David Briggs was there week 2 playing bass viol.)

I'm headed there by bike from Ottawa Saturday with my kids as soon as I get
back from here Friday night:
	http://tricolour.ca/photos/2013/07/21/12-18-17i1.html
	(notice my daughter's violin in the white bag on my rear rack)

I brought a soprano recorder with me this trip.  I used to play bassoon and a
bit of trumpet.  I've been singing bass in the annual "Come Sing Messiah" since
sometime after I sang soprano at the cenotaph in Ottawa on Remembrance Day in
the late '70s.

Four years ago I picked up a 50 year old Hammond M3 spinet organ with Leslie
speaker and have been attempting to learn keyboards since...

> Barbara

	slainte mhath, RGB

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seems like it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the
lobby 18:55.

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha
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> so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?
>
>
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>>
>> +1
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com> wrote:

> seems like it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the
> lobby 18:55.
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha
> <etha4u@gmail.com> wrote:
> > so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" <linus@nordu.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph> wrote
> >> > Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:
> >> >
> >> > | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> > I'm up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15 minutes after
> the
> >> > last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?
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> >>
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<div dir="ltr">&amp; me</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb Al Habian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ghabian@gmail.com" target="_blank">ghabian@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">seems like it&#39;s myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We&#39;re meeting at the<br>
lobby 18:55.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:etha4u@gmail.com">etha4u@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao &lt;<a href="mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, &quot;Linus Nordberg&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:linus@nordu.net">linus@nordu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Nestor Michael C. Tiglao&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt; wrote<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; +1<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15 minutes after the<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
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I was thinking of going to the social for a while, then coming over. See 
you there.

     Tony

On 7/22/14, 3:49 PM, Aaron Falk wrote:
> & me
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com 
> <mailto:ghabian@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     seems like it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the
>     lobby 18:55.
>
>     On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha
>     <etha4u@gmail.com <mailto:etha4u@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > so who are going and when are we going to start and from where
>     to meet?
>     >
>     > On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao
>     <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph <mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" <linus@nordu.net
>     <mailto:linus@nordu.net>> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > "Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph
>     <mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>> wrote
>     >> > Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:
>     >> >
>     >> > | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
>     >>
>     >> +1
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>     >> > I'm up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15
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    I was thinking of going to the social for a while, then coming over.
    See you there.<br>
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    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tony<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">&amp; me</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb
          Al Habian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">seems like
            it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the<br>
            lobby 18:55.<br>
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                On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha<br>
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:etha4u@gmail.com">etha4u@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt; so who are going and when are we going to start and
                from where to meet?<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:linus@nordu.net">linus@nordu.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; "Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt;
                wrote<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; +1<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; I'm up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal
                York) some 15 minutes after the<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?<br>
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Hi all,=0A=
    The Hockey Hall of Fame, is a very short walk away from the meeting =0A=
venue. The walking directions can be found here.=0A=
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https://goo.gl/maps/QFlJP=0A=
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The entrance to the Hockey Hall of Fame is located at the basement of =0A=
Brookfield Place (161 Bay St).=0A=
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Enter through the door marked Brookfield Place=0A=
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http://goo.gl/CRrYoz=0A=
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Walk to the far end of the corridor to the escalator down to the basement=
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http://goo.gl/MjPeC6=0A=
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Follow the escalators down to the Hockey Hall of Fame (look for the signs)=
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http://goo.gl/stcMJS=0A=
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At the bottom of the escalator turn around 180 degrees and walk past the =
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Starbucks.=0A=
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http://goo.gl/exsgDa=0A=
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You have arrived. This is the HHOF entrance that we will be using=0A=
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http://goo.gl/IDH2yK=0A=
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At the entrance, exchange your social ticket for two drink tickets valid =
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Canadian sport of hockey :-).=0A=
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On 19.07.14 08:41, Randy Bush wrote:
> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.

I do have hot water, but somebody is trying to drill trough my wall; and 
it will be going on all week.

Reception kindly offered to send me some earplugs.

-hph


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The slightly out of tune one plays the blues just fine. :)

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Nicol=C3=A1s <nfiumarelli@lacnic.net> wro=
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> I also played both too, and I also agree that the concert hall one is in
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> El 22/07/14 09:42, Ted Lemon escribi=C3=B3:
>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> wrote:
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e in the concert hall is in better tune. :-)
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On 2014.07.22. 16:26, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
> On 19.07.14 08:41, Randy Bush wrote:
>> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.
> 
> I do have hot water, but somebody is trying to drill trough my wall; and it
> will be going on all week.
> 
> Reception kindly offered to send me some earplugs.
> 
> -hph

I was sharing my first room with an elevator (at least it felt like it). You
know it's going to be bad when upon check in the clerk already apologises...
It took several turns and almost having to check out to resolve it.

On the bright side: I do have warmish water every other day; I hear it could
be worse.

(There's more behind the story but that should probably go a dedicated
whining list instead.)

Robert




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On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> The slightly out of tune one plays the blues just fine. :)

Yup.   And when I play Bach, I can claim that the bad notes are the =
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Hi Thomas,

Do you still have that ticket?

-Arran

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On 22 Jul 2014, at 16:51, Arran Cudbard-Bell <a.cudbardb@freeradius.org> =
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> Hi Thomas,
>=20
> Do you still have that ticket?

*sigh* goddamn apple mail.

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On 2014-07-22 22:44, Robert Kisteleki wrote:
> On 2014.07.22. 16:26, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
>> On 19.07.14 08:41, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> if they are not going to fix, then it is time to switch.
>>
>> I do have hot water, but somebody is trying to drill trough my wall; and it
>> will be going on all week.
>>
>> Reception kindly offered to send me some earplugs.
>>
>> -hph
>
> I was sharing my first room with an elevator (at least it felt like it). You

Same here. That one apparently is turned off "in the night", which 
appears to end around 4:30am.

> ...

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For accurate localization, I propose meeting near the concierge by 18:55.

Nestor
 I was thinking of going to the social for a while, then coming over. See
you there.

    Tony

On 7/22/14, 3:49 PM, Aaron Falk wrote:

& me


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com> wrote:

> seems like it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the
> lobby 18:55.
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha
> <etha4u@gmail.com> wrote:
> > so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?
> >
> > On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" <linus@nordu.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph> wrote
> >> > Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:
> >> >
> >> > | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> > I'm up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15 minutes after
> the
> >> > last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?
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    I was thinking of going to the social for a while, then coming over.
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    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tony<br>
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      <div dir=3D"ltr">&amp; me</div>
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          Al Habian <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ghabian@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">ghabian@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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the<br>
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                On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha<br>
                &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:etha4u@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">e=
tha4u@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt; so who are going and when are we going to start and
                from where to meet?<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph" target=3D"_blank">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph=
</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, &quot;Linus Nordberg&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linus@nordu.net" target=3D"_blank">linus@nordu.net=
</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Nestor Michael C. Tiglao&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph" target=3D"_blank">nestor@eee.upd.edu.p=
h</a>&gt;
                wrote<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; +1<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal
                York) some 15 minutes after the<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?<br>
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We're at the conceirge booth. Leaving in 5 minutes...

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Nestor Michael Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph>
wrote:

> For accurate localization, I propose meeting near the concierge by 18:55.
>
> Nestor
>  I was thinking of going to the social for a while, then coming over. See
> you there.
>
>     Tony
>
> On 7/22/14, 3:49 PM, Aaron Falk wrote:
>
> & me
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ghaleb Al Habian <ghabian@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ghabian@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> seems like it's myself, Linus and Nestor so far. We're meeting at the
>> lobby 18:55.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Fahima Ahmed Khan Etha
>> <etha4u@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','etha4u@gmail.com');>>
>> wrote:
>> > so who are going and when are we going to start and from where to meet?
>> >
>> > On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph');>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, "Linus Nordberg" <linus@nordu.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','linus@nordu.net');>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Nestor Michael C. Tiglao" <nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph');>> wrote
>> >> > Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:
>> >> >
>> >> > | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> > I'm up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal York) some 15 minutes after
>> the
>> >> > last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?
>>
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                &gt; On 22 July 2014 12:51, Nestor Michael Tiglao &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph&#39;);=
" target=3D"_blank">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; On Jul 22, 2014 11:21 AM, &quot;Linus Nordberg&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;linus@nordu.net&=
#39;);" target=3D"_blank">linus@nordu.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Nestor Michael C. Tiglao&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph&#39;)=
;" target=3D"_blank">nestor@eee.upd.edu.ph</a>&gt;
                wrote<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:01:05 -0700:<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; | Anyone going to HackLab tonight?<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; +1<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m up for that. Meet up in lobby (Royal
                York) some 15 minutes after the<br>
                &gt;&gt; &gt; last sessions end, i.e. 18:55?<br>
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Kind of a long shot, but maybe ...

Has anyone happened to notice Canadian-themed rubber duckies in any
downtown souvenir shops?  I grab localized ones for my kids whenever I
go away on trips.  They're a pretty reliable find at airport gift
shops but this time I didn't fly.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.


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On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:59 PM, David C Lawrence <tale@akamai.com> wrote:
> Has anyone happened to notice Canadian-themed rubber duckies in any
> downtown souvenir shops?  I grab localized ones for my kids whenever I
> go away on trips.  They're a pretty reliable find at airport gift
> shops but this time I didn't fly.

Ask Olaf to ask Bert.


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Hi, i want to share this article [1] about the films and tv shows filmed
inside the hotel.


[1]
http://toronto.curbed.com/archives/2014/03/28/18-movies-tv-shows-filmed-inside-the-royal-york-hotel.php


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi, i want to share this article [1] about the f=
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br></div><div>[1] =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://toronto.curbed.com/archives/2014/=
03/28/18-movies-tv-shows-filmed-inside-the-royal-york-hotel.php">http://tor=
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On 07/22/2014 09:59 PM, David C Lawrence wrote:
> Kind of a long shot, but maybe ...
> 
> Has anyone happened to notice Canadian-themed rubber duckies in any
> downtown souvenir shops?  I grab localized ones for my kids whenever I
> go away on trips.  They're a pretty reliable find at airport gift
> shops but this time I didn't fly.

You could try be the tourist shops on Yonge St (between Queen and College) or the touristy chinese stores on Spadina (between Queen and College)

Alternatively, perhaps the Dollarama's that are sprinkled around town?

Paul


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Nope, sorry.

The only rubber duckies I'm familiar with are these:

https://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/usb-rubber-ducky-deluxe

--
Marco


On 22/07/14 21:59, David C Lawrence wrote:
> Kind of a long shot, but maybe ...
>=20
> Has anyone happened to notice Canadian-themed rubber duckies in any
> downtown souvenir shops?  I grab localized ones for my kids whenever I
> go away on trips.  They're a pretty reliable find at airport gift
> shops but this time I didn't fly.
>=20
> Thanks in advance for any pointers.
>=20
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Hi!

Many thanks for all the nice offers. I've already got one.

Cheers,
Oleg


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If someone found old BBery phone in mezzanine level, please contact me off t=
he list or leave it at the registration desk.

Having a long relationsip with this device.

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| Let me be more clear as well: by continuing to provide IPv4 on the
| default IETF meeting network, we are being part of the problem.

And by using unicast, we are being part of another problem.  I assume all 
the audio/video streams are being multicast, right?

Don't forget the other religions...
Lenny


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Surprising discovery of the day: the concierge actually has a rubber
ducky in their little booth down there.  Alas, it is not
Canadian-themed.  I'm still on the hunt.


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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 05:01:52PM -0400,
 Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> wrote 
 a message of 30 lines which said:

> The ether pad is located at http://trac.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-90-admin-plenary.

Does not work from the NAT64 network:

Unable to connect

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at
trac.tools.ietf.org:9000.

    The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again
    in a few moments.
    If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
    connection.
    If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy,
    make sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.


% telnet trac.tools.ietf.org 9000
Trying 2001:1890:123a::1:2a...
Trying 64.170.98.42...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable


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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:11:55PM +0200,
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> Does not work from the NAT64 network:

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Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very sorr=
y, but we have only 5 beers left in the entire restaurant. We had a lot of p=
eople at lunch today." =20

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> On 24 Jul 2014, at 01:06, "Townsley.net" <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
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> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very so=
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Amsterdam Brewhouse was pretty much out last night too.

The WG chairs are drinking the Loose Moose dry as I type...

Tim=


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In all the time I ever went there, C'est What never ran out of beer.  The ch=
allenge has been thrown. =20

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Please excuse my clumbsy thums.=20

> On Jul 23, 2014, at 20:06, "Townsley.net" <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
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> In all the time I ever went there, C'est What never ran out of beer.  =
The challenge has been thrown. =20

That=92s a great place.

Steve=92s Dreaded Chocolate Stout is like drinking chocolate mousse=85.

Tim=


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Damnit.  Now I gotta walk back over there and get some dessert.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 24 Jul 2014, at 01:30, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
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> > In all the time I ever went there, C'est What never ran out of beer.
>  The challenge has been thrown.
>
> That=E2=80=99s a great place.
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> Steve=E2=80=99s Dreaded Chocolate Stout is like drinking chocolate mousse=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Damnit. =C2=A0Now I gotta walk back over there and get som=
e dessert.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Tim Chown <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 24 Jul 2014, at 01:30, An=
drew Sullivan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrus=
den.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<br>
&gt; In all the time I ever went there, C&#39;est What never ran out of bee=
r. =C2=A0The challenge has been thrown.<br>
<br>
</div>That=E2=80=99s a great place.<br>
<br>
Steve=E2=80=99s Dreaded Chocolate Stout is like drinking chocolate mousse=
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IETF 90 attendees,

If you know of people who are not at IETF90 who might be interested in toda=
y's lunch talk about fifth-generation (5G) wireless technologies (described=
 in Ray's email below), we will be streaming it out of the IETF's YouTube a=
ccount (over both IPv6 and IPv4).  I would encourage people to view it on t=
he IETF's Google+ page at:

https://plus.google.com/events/civqq2apu9cq4pdg63n6h61lq2s

as we can post any updates there if needed and easily monitor any comments =
people leave. The live stream can also be seen directly on the IETF's YouTu=
be channel at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ7_u1VwkzSQ  but we'll be =
monitoring comments over on G+.

Because Google has chosen to not allow access to YouTube Live streams from =
Germany[1] we will *also* be streaming the video live from the Internet Soc=
iety's Livestream.com<http://Livestream.com> at:

http://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/IETF90

We've been told by people that Livestream.com<http://Livestream.com> stream=
s *do* work in Germany.  I would note that Livestream.com<http://Livestream=
.com> is only available right now over IPv4.

Please feel free to share any of these links and let people know.

Thanks to Edward McNair and the Verilan team for doing the video streaming =
today and thanks to Paul Brigner, ISOC's Regional Bureau Director for North=
 America, for helping connect the video to the ISOC Livestream.com<http://L=
ivestream.com> account so that we can make the session viewable in Germany.

Dan

[1] Thanks to some investigation by IETF participant Monika Ermert who cont=
acted both Google and Gema, we have confirmed that Google is restricting ac=
cess to YouTube Live streams in Germany so that they do not violate restric=
tions related to music copyrights from the German organization Gema.  Given=
 that we don't have any music on our live streams this seems a rather overl=
y broad restriction, but obviously Google can't know what people are going =
to live stream and seems to have taken this broad approach right now.  http=
s://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org<mailto:rpel=
letier@isoc.org>> wrote:

All;

I want to remind you about the this meeting=92s Thursday Lunchtime Speaker =
Series arranged for you
by our Host, Ericsson.  The presentation is being held in the Ballroom from=
 12:00 - 12:45 Thursday,
24 July.

Ray

Speaker: Erik Dahlman

Erik Dahlman received the Master of Science degree and Doctor of Technology=
 degree
from the Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm in1987 and 1992 respectiv=
ely. He is
currently Senior Expert in RadioAccess Technologies within Ericsson Researc=
h. Erik
was deeply involved in the development and standardization of 3G radio acce=
ss
technologies (WCDMA and HSPA), first in Japan and later within the global 3=
GPP standardization
body. Later on he was involved in the standardization/development of the 3G=
PP Long Term
Evolution (LTE) and its continued evolution. His currently focuses on resea=
rch and development
of future 5G wireless access technologies.

Erik Dahlman is the co-author of the book 3G Evolution =96 HSPA and LTE for=
 Mobile Broadband
and its follow-up 4G =96 LTE and LTE-Advanced for mobile broadband.  In Oct=
ober 2009, Erik received
the Major Technical Award, an award handed out by the Swedish Government, f=
or his contributions to
the technical and commercial success of the HSPA radio-access technology.

Topic: 5G

Discussions on fifth generation (5g) wireless access has rapidly intensifie=
d during the latest two years.
5G wireless access is seen as the long-term enabler of the overall networke=
d society, not only providing
enhanced mobile broadband access but being a tool to provide wireless conne=
ctivity for any kind of application.

This speech will provide an overview of the state of 5G efforts around the =
world. We will discuss the
specific requirements and challenges being identified for 5G wireless acces=
s and the different technology
components and alternatives being considered. We will also outline possible=
 time schedule for 5G in ITU and 3GPP.

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<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you know of people who are not at IETF90 who might be interested in=
 today's lunch talk about fifth-generation (5G) wireless technologies (desc=
ribed in Ray's email below), we will be streaming it out of the IETF's YouT=
ube account (over both IPv6 and
 IPv4). &nbsp;I would encourage people to view it on the IETF's Google&#43;=
 page at:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/events/civqq2apu9cq4pdg63n6h61lq2s"=
>https://plus.google.com/events/civqq2apu9cq4pdg63n6h61lq2s</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>as we can post any updates there if needed and easily monitor any comm=
ents people leave. The live stream can also be seen directly on the IETF's =
YouTube channel at:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ7_u1=
VwkzSQ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQ7_u1VwkzSQ</a>&nbsp;
 but we'll be monitoring comments over on G&#43;.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Because Google has chosen to not allow access to YouTube Live streams =
from Germany[1] we will *also* be streaming the video live from the Interne=
t Society's
<a href=3D"http://Livestream.com">Livestream.com</a> at:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/IETF90">http://ne=
w.livestream.com/internetsociety/IETF90</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We've been told by people that <a href=3D"http://Livestream.com">Lives=
tream.com</a> streams *do* work in Germany. &nbsp;I would note that
<a href=3D"http://Livestream.com">Livestream.com</a> is only available righ=
t now over IPv4.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please feel free to share any of these links and let people know.&nbsp=
;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks to Edward McNair and the Verilan team for doing the video strea=
ming today and thanks to Paul Brigner, ISOC's Regional Bureau Director for =
North America, for helping connect the video to the ISOC
<a href=3D"http://Livestream.com">Livestream.com</a> account so that we can=
 make the session viewable in Germany.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[1] Thanks to some investigation by IETF participant Monika Ermert who=
 contacted both Google and Gema, we have confirmed that Google is restricti=
ng access to YouTube Live streams in Germany so that they do not violate re=
strictions related to music copyrights
 from the German organization Gema. &nbsp;Given that we don't have any musi=
c on our live streams this seems a rather overly broad restriction, but obv=
iously Google can't know what people are going to live stream and seems to =
have taken this broad approach right
 now. &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=
=3Den">https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853834?hl=3Den</a></div>
<div>
<div apple-content-edited=3D"true"></div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Ray Pelletier &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpell=
etier@isoc.org">rpelletier@isoc.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">All;<br>
<br>
I want to remind you about the this meeting=92s Thursday Lunchtime Speaker =
Series arranged for you
<br>
by our Host, Ericsson. &nbsp;The presentation is being held in the Ballroom=
 from 12:00 - 12:45 Thursday,
<br>
24 July.<br>
<br>
Ray<br>
<br>
Speaker:<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Er=
ik Dahlman<br>
<br>
Erik Dahlman received the Master of Science degree and Doctor of Technology=
 degree
<br>
from the Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm in1987 and 1992 respectiv=
ely. He is
<br>
currently Senior Expert in RadioAccess Technologies within Ericsson Researc=
h. Erik
<br>
was deeply involved in the development and standardization of 3G radio acce=
ss <br>
technologies (WCDMA and HSPA), first in Japan and later within the global 3=
GPP standardization
<br>
body. Later on he was involved in the standardization/development of the 3G=
PP Long Term
<br>
Evolution (LTE) and its continued evolution. His currently focuses on resea=
rch and development
<br>
of future 5G wireless access technologies.<br>
<br>
Erik Dahlman is the co-author of the book 3G Evolution =96 HSPA and LTE for=
 Mobile Broadband
<br>
and its follow-up 4G =96 LTE and LTE-Advanced for mobile broadband. &nbsp;I=
n October 2009, Erik received
<br>
the Major Technical Award, an award handed out by the Swedish Government, f=
or his contributions to
<br>
the technical and commercial success of the HSPA radio-access technology. <=
br>
<br>
Topic:<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5G<b=
r>
<br>
Discussions on fifth generation (5g) wireless access has rapidly intensifie=
d during the latest two years.
<br>
5G wireless access is seen as the long-term enabler of the overall networke=
d society, not only providing<br>
enhanced mobile broadband access but being a tool to provide wireless conne=
ctivity for any kind of application.<br>
<br>
This speech will provide an overview of the state of 5G efforts around the =
world. We will discuss the
<br>
specific requirements and challenges being identified for 5G wireless acces=
s and the different technology<br>
components and alternatives being considered. We will also outline possible=
 time schedule for 5G in ITU and 3GPP.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/90-host-speaker.html">https://ww=
w.ietf.org/meeting/90/90-host-speaker.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Next to go is all the bottled water in the hotel.

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Next to go is all the bottled water in the hotel.</div></div>

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The English Breatfast teabags (and anything resembling them) went completel=
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but they have a great chai Masala !

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The English Breatfast teabags (and anything resembling them) went completel=
y yesterday - never to be seen again.

Keith=20

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 In your previous mail you wrote:

> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so
> very sorry, but we have only 5 beers left in the entire
> restaurant. We had a lot of people at lunch today."

=> oops, I am afraid I comtributed... More seriously if Oniwa is
pretty good, low amount of available beers is a recurrent issue.

Regards

Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr

PS: if you are ready to walk a bit more John street at the north of
Adelaide West has a pedestrian section full of beer bars...


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On 07/23/2014 08:06 PM, Townsley.net wrote:
> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very sorry, but we have only 5 beers left in the entire restaurant. We had a lot of people at lunch today."

Who was at IETF 41 in LA at the Omni where we drank the hotel out of 
their microbrew by tuesday????

I seem to recall that they could not figure out how all those guys and 
gals in jeans could afford all that beer....

(from one of the 2 suits that was at that meeting)



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The Beer Bistro seemed to have plenty of beer last night.   The food was
pretty good too..

----Cathy


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> On 07/23/2014 08:06 PM, Townsley.net wrote:
>
>> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very
>> sorry, but we have only 5 beers left in the entire restaurant. We had a lot
>> of people at lunch today."
>>
>
> Who was at IETF 41 in LA at the Omni where we drank the hotel out of their
> microbrew by tuesday????
>
> I seem to recall that they could not figure out how all those guys and
> gals in jeans could afford all that beer....
>
> (from one of the 2 suits that was at that meeting)
>
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Who was at IETF 41 in LA at the Omni where we drank the hotel out of their =
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On 07/24/2014 08:47 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> The English Breatfast teabags (and anything resembling them) went completely yesterday - never to be seen again.

Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.

I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians were 
more attached to their English background?


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On 07/24/2014 08:49 AM, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
>> Next to go is all the bottled water in the hotel.
> No. The black (caffeinated) tea will all be gone after this morning.

De-caf tea.  Yuck. Shudder.



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On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> =
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> De-caf tea.  Yuck. Shudder.

As Barry said last night in the bar, a chacun son biere (ou du th=E9).


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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.
> 
> I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians were 
> more attached to their English background?

I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a
Tim Horton's for black tea and she thought I meant without
any cream.

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There's a tea store about two corridors along the underground path towards
the food court. You may want to go on the economy.  Mike

On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.
> >
> > I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians were
> > more attached to their English background?
>
> I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a
> Tim Horton's for black tea and she thought I meant without
> any cream.
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&gt; Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.<br>
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&gt; I&#39;ve had more choices at US hotels. =C2=A0You would think the Cana=
dians were<br>
&gt; more attached to their English background?<br>
<br>
I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a<br>
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any cream.<br>
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On 25/07/2014 02:07, Evan Hunt wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.
>>
>> I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians were 
>> more attached to their English background?
> 
> I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a
> Tim Horton's for black tea and she thought I meant without
> any cream.

That's British. Tea is tea, green tea is foreign. Tea without milk is weird.
Tea with cream is double weird. Two sugars, please.


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On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:16 AM, "StJohns, Michael" =
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> There's a tea store about two corridors along the underground path =
towards the food court. You may want to go on the economy.  Mike
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> On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
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> >
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I think it's David's tea.  http://www.torontopath.com/view/DavidsTea.aspx

On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wrote:

> Name?
>
> --Sandy
>
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:16 AM, "StJohns, Michael" <msj@nthpermutation.com
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> > There's a tea store about two corridors along the underground path
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> > >
> > > I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians were
> > > more attached to their English background?
> >
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I think it&#39;s David&#39;s tea. =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.torontopath.c=
om/view/DavidsTea.aspx">http://www.torontopath.com/view/DavidsTea.aspx</a><=
br><br>On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Sandra Murphy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sand=
y@tislabs.com">sandy@tislabs.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Name?<br>
<br>
--Sandy<br>
<br>
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:16 AM, &quot;StJohns, Michael&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"j=
avascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;msj@nthpermutation.c=
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&gt; There&#39;s a tea store about two corridors along the underground path=
 towards the food court. You may want to go on the economy. =C2=A0Mike<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Evan Hunt &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;" onc=
lick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;each@isc.org&#39;)">each@isc.org</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve had more choices at US hotels. =C2=A0You would think the=
 Canadians were<br>
&gt; &gt; more attached to their English background?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a<br>
&gt; Tim Horton&#39;s for black tea and she thought I meant without<br>
&gt; any cream.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Evan Hunt -- <a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#=
39;, &#39;each@isc.org&#39;)">each@isc.org</a><br>
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I have passed two Teavanas in the Path, and at least one other brand I =
can't remember, but of the form "<-male-first-name>'s Tea"

On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wrote:

> Name?=20
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> On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:16 AM, "StJohns, Michael" =
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>> There's a tea store about two corridors along the underground path =
towards the food court. You may want to go on the economy.  Mike
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>> On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:45:33AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.
>>>=20
>>> I've had more choices at US hotels.  You would think the Canadians =
were
>>> more attached to their English background?
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>> I guess not: A couple of days ago I asked a waitress in a
>> Tim Horton's for black tea and she thought I meant without
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In article <53D10DFD.9050209@labs.htt-consult.com> you write:
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>On 07/24/2014 08:47 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
>> The English Breatfast teabags (and anything resembling them) went completely yesterday - never to be seen again.
>
>Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.

What's wrong with Red Rose?

R's,
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On 07/24/2014 10:48 AM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote:
> In article <53D10DFD.9050209@labs.htt-consult.com> you write:
>> On 07/24/2014 08:47 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
>>> The English Breatfast teabags (and anything resembling them) went completely yesterday - never to be seen again.
>> Totally inadequate selection of black teas here.
> What's wrong with Red Rose?

In the US stores you really only find their orange/pekoa cut. Nothing to 
right home about.  Have found their English Breakfast on occations.  No 
Darjeeling, Oolongs, or smoked tea...



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On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:

> Next to go is all the bottled water in the hotel.

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Hi,

In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an HDMI-=
to-VGA adapter.

Does anyone have one I could borrow, or have you come across one in some st=
ore (I've checked BestBuy, Sony Centre etc).

Thanks!

Regards,

Christer
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Christer Holmberg wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>
> Does anyone have one I could borrow, or have you come across one in some store (I've checked BestBuy, Sony Centre etc).

Are you sure that is what you need? As far as I understand VGA and HDMI, 
that would require active electronics as it wouldn't be a passive adapter.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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It's free, but is often slow enough that you'll wish you could pay someone
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To clarify, this is what I am looking for :)

http://store.sony.com/vga-adapter-zid27-VGPDA15E/cat-27-catid-All-Computers=
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Christer

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Christer Holmberg wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an HDM=
I-to-VGA adapter.
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> Does anyone have one I could borrow, or have you come across one in some =
store (I've checked BestBuy, Sony Centre etc).

Are you sure that is what you need? As far as I understand VGA and HDMI, th=
at would require active electronics as it wouldn't be a passive adapter.

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If you have access to them, the wifi in the Air Canada Maple Leaf =
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(after 11 am....)

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It's free, but is often slow enough that you'll wish you could pay =
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free, can you use it for a few hours?

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In terminal one, in addition to the wireless (good signal strength but can
get maxed out), there are also quite a lot of iPad stations adjacent to
restaurants. Signs around indicate you are NOT obligated to order food in
order to use these iPad stations, if you don't mind a brief American
Express ad. There is no time limit but they have a pretty quick inactivity
timeout.

These iPad stations all have available power plugs.
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> It's free, but is often slow enough that you'll wish you could pay someone
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>> Some of have many hours tomorrow between when the IETF network shut down
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er food in order to use these iPad stations, if you don&#39;t mind a brief =
American Express ad. There is no time limit but they have a pretty quick in=
activity timeout.</p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">These iPad stations all have available power plugs.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 24, 2014 1:17 PM, &quot;Mick Szucs&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mick.szucs@gmail.com">mick.szucs@gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s free, but is often slow enough that you&#39;ll wi=
sh you could pay someone for access that works.</div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Pa=
ul Hoffman <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org" t=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Some of have many hours tomorrow between whe=
n the IETF network shut down and when our flights leave. What&#39;s the Wif=
i situation at YYZ? If it is free, can you use it for a few hours?<br>


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On 07/24/2014 12:54 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an 
> HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>

I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.  But I am leaving 
tonight.  :(

It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china.  Or you can 
get one that works with the rasberry pi (I have seen them for $13 in 
stores with rasberry pi addons).





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Hi,

I have no problem buying one - if I only knew where to buy it :)

Ordering it is not an option, as I need it tomorrow.

Regards,

Christer

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On 07/24/2014 12:54 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
Hi,

In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an HDMI-=
to-VGA adapter.

I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.  But I am leaving tonight. =
 :(

It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china.  Or you can get=
 one that works with the rasberry pi (I have seen them for $13 in stores wi=
th rasberry pi addons).




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[mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 July 2014 20:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Christer Holmberg; attendees<br>
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I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.&nbsp; But I am leaving toni=
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<br>
It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china.&nbsp; Or you ca=
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Looks like this would work for you?
https://www.creatroninc.com/product/piview-hdmi-to-vga-for-rapsberry-pi/

Store is located downtown, closes today 7pm ;)

-Ghaleb

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Christer Holmberg
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have no problem buying one =E2=80=93 if I only knew where to buy it :)
>
>
>
> Ordering it is not an option, as I need it tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Christer
>
>
>
> From: Robert Moskowitz [mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com]
> Sent: 24 July 2014 20:33
> To: Christer Holmberg; attendees
>
>
> Subject: Re: [90attendees] HDMI-to-VGA adapter
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/24/2014 12:54 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an
> HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>
>
> I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.  But I am leaving tonight=
.
> :(
>
> It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china.  Or you can g=
et
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IETF90 attendees,

I guess we can thank the Germans for the fact that we were able to live str=
eam the 5G lunch discussion session today.  As I went into the IETF's YouTu=
be account to click the "Start Streaming" button there was a big red bar sa=
ying "YouTube live is undergoing maintenance" and that we couldn't start th=
e stream.  Thankfully, we had the ISOC Livestream.com<http://Livestream.com=
> stream set up for streaming into Germany and so we were able to redirect =
viewers via the IETF social media accounts as well as the IETF YouTube and =
Google+ event pages.  If anyone asks why it didn't stream on YouTube that i=
s what happened.  The YouTube Live warning went away toward the end of the =
session but we were still unable to establish a connection to Google's stre=
aming servers.

However, the recording of the session is available now at:

http://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/IETF90

We do have a local backup copy that we will upload to the IETF's YouTube ac=
count.

A couple of people asked about getting a copy of the slides.  Gonzolo has s=
aid he will send them and we'll get them posted to this page:

https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/90-host-speaker.html

This experience certainly points to the need to have more resiliency in any=
 live video streaming we do out of IETF meetings and we'll look at that for=
 future meetings.    (And if anyone has suggestions for live video streamin=
g services that work over IPv6 other than Google's, I'd definitely be inter=
ested.)

Dan  (wearing my IAOC-RPS member hat for all this live streaming activity)


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<div>IETF90 attendees,</div>
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</div>
<div>I guess we can thank the Germans for the fact that we were able to liv=
e stream the 5G lunch discussion session today. &nbsp;As I went into the IE=
TF's YouTube account to click the &quot;Start Streaming&quot; button there =
was a big red bar saying &quot;YouTube live is undergoing
 maintenance&quot; and that we couldn't start the stream. &nbsp;Thankfully,=
 we had the ISOC
<a href=3D"http://Livestream.com">Livestream.com</a> stream set up for stre=
aming into Germany and so we were able to redirect viewers via the IETF soc=
ial media accounts as well as the IETF YouTube and Google&#43; event pages.=
 &nbsp;If anyone asks why it didn't stream
 on YouTube that is what happened. &nbsp;The YouTube Live warning went away=
 toward the end of the session but we were still unable to establish a conn=
ection to Google's streaming servers.</div>
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</div>
<div>However, the recording of the session is available now at:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<a href=3D"http://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/IETF90">http://new.liv=
estream.com/internetsociety/IETF90</a>
<div><br>
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<div>We do have a local backup copy that we will upload to the IETF's YouTu=
be account.</div>
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<div>A couple of people asked about getting a copy of the slides. &nbsp;Gon=
zolo has said he will send them and we'll get them posted to this page:</di=
v>
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<div><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/90-host-speaker.html">https=
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<div><br>
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<div>This experience certainly points to the need to have more resiliency i=
n any live video streaming we do out of IETF meetings and we'll look at tha=
t for future meetings. &nbsp; &nbsp;(And if anyone has suggestions for live=
 video streaming services that work over IPv6
 other than Google's, I'd definitely be interested.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan &nbsp;(wearing my IAOC-RPS member hat for all this live streaming =
activity)<br>
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I just saw one in a store next to the hotel.  It's The Source at 200 Bay =
Street.  Downstairs, under the street.

Mark
On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Christer Holmberg =
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

> To clarify, this is what I am looking for :)
>=20
> =
http://store.sony.com/vga-adapter-zid27-VGPDA15E/cat-27-catid-All-Computer=
s-Docks-Ports
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> Regards,
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Christer Holmberg wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>=20
>> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an =
HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>>=20
>> Does anyone have one I could borrow, or have you come across one in =
some store (I've checked BestBuy, Sony Centre etc).
>=20
> Are you sure that is what you need? As far as I understand VGA and =
HDMI, that would require active electronics as it wouldn't be a passive =
adapter.
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On 07/24/2014 01:35 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have no problem buying one -- if I only knew where to buy it :)
>

In Detroit, MicroComputer Center had them in their Rasberry pi addon 
devices section. but that is 4 hours car drive away.  So you will have 
to look out a ways for a computer store that sells stuff like this.

> Ordering it is not an option, as I need it tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
> *From:*Robert Moskowitz [mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com]
> *Sent:* 24 July 2014 20:33
> *To:* Christer Holmberg; attendees
> *Subject:* Re: [90attendees] HDMI-to-VGA adapter
>
> On 07/24/2014 12:54 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need
>     an HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>
>
> I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.  But I am leaving 
> tonight.  :(
>
> It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china. Or you can 
> get one that works with the rasberry pi (I have seen them for $13 in 
> stores with rasberry pi addons).
>
>
>
>
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    <br>
    In Detroit, MicroComputer Center had them in their Rasberry pi addon
    devices section. but that is 4 hours car drive away.&nbsp; So you will
    have to look out a ways for a computer store that sells stuff like
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          I have one in my bag checked at the front desk.&nbsp; But I am
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          It was a $5 part on ebay with a 6 week shipping from china.&nbsp;
          Or you can get one that works with the rasberry pi (I have
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Thanks! I'll have a look during the break :)

Regards,

Christer

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I just saw one in a store next to the hotel.  It's The Source at 200 Bay St=
reet.  Downstairs, under the street.

Mark
On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.=
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> To clarify, this is what I am looking for :)
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> http://store.sony.com/vga-adapter-zid27-VGPDA15E/cat-27-catid-All-Compute=
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>> Hi,
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>> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an HD=
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>>=20
>> Does anyone have one I could borrow, or have you come across one in some=
 store (I've checked BestBuy, Sony Centre etc).
>=20
> Are you sure that is what you need? As far as I understand VGA and HDMI, =
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On 24 Jul 2014, at 12:54, Christer Holmberg =
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> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I would need an =
HDMI-to-VGA adapter.

You probably just need an HDMI cable.  The new projectors all have an =
HDMI input.
Check with the secretariat if that is the case.

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten


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Hi,

>> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I >> would need an=
 HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>
>You probably just need an HDMI cable.  The new >projectors all have an HDM=
I input.
>Check with the secretariat if that is the case.

I can do that, but I was told that could cause problem with getting the sli=
des onto meetecho.

Regards,

Christer


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Huh?  Meetecho isn=B9t grabbing the video from the computer - they download
slides from the meeting materials page and manually advance in sync with
the screen.  The Meetecho team appropriately hassles chairs if they show
slides that are not uploaded.  Happened to us in paws.  Among other
things, when they advance slides, a jabber message is sent with the title
of the slide.

You should be able to use HDMI direct to the projector

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>Hi,
>
>>> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I >> would need
>>>an HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
>>
>>You probably just need an HDMI cable.  The new >projectors all have an
>>HDMI input.
>>Check with the secretariat if that is the case.
>
>I can do that, but I was told that could cause problem with getting the
>slides onto meetecho.
>
>Regards,
>
>Christer
>
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Hi Christer,

Please come see me at the registration desk during the break. I have an =
adapter you can borrow, but I would advise testing it before it is time =
to present.

Thanks,

Maddy Conner
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Fremont, CA 94538

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On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Christer Holmberg =
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

> Hi,
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>>> In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I >> would =
need an HDMI-to-VGA adapter.
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>> You probably just need an HDMI cable.  The new >projectors all have =
an HDMI input.
>> Check with the secretariat if that is the case.
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> I can do that, but I was told that could cause problem with getting =
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during the break. I have an adapter you can borrow, but I would advise =
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Thanks!!! :)

Regards,

Christer

From: Maddy Conner [mailto:mconner@amsl.com]
Sent: 24 July 2014 21:21
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] HDMI-to-VGA adapter

Hi Christer,

Please come see me at the registration desk during the break. I have an ada=
pter you can borrow, but I would advise testing it before it is time to pre=
sent.

Thanks,

Maddy Conner
IETF Registrar
48377 Fremont Blvd, Ste. 117
Fremont, CA 94538

Association Management Solutions (AMS)
Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning
www.amsl.com<http://www.amsl.com>

On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.=
com<mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>> wrote:


Hi,


In order to share my slides tomorrow (STRAW session), I >> would need an HD=
MI-to-VGA adapter.

You probably just need an HDMI cable.  The new >projectors all have an HDMI=
 input.
Check with the secretariat if that is the case.

I can do that, but I was told that could cause problem with getting the sli=
des onto meetecho.

Regards,

Christer

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<b>Sent:</b> 24 July 2014 21:21<br>
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IETF Registrar<br>
48377 Fremont Blvd, Ste. 117<br>
Fremont, CA 94538<br>
<br>
Association Management Solutions&nbsp;(AMS)<br>
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You probably just need an HDMI cable. &nbsp;The new &gt;projectors all have=
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I can do that, but I was told that could cause problem with getting the sli=
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<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Christer<br>
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For those staying over the weekend, maybe this will be of interest:

Toronto=B9s Festival of Beer, http://beerfestival.ca
July 25th through the 27th.

Kannan

On 7/24/14, 1:29 PM, "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" <giomarti@cisco.com>
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>=AB Qu'ils boivent du vin ! =BB
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>Free translation from
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>On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:06, Townsley.net <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
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>>=20
>> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very
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Hi,
I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
returning to Toronto on Sunday.

I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?

Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)

Thanks,
Tomek

p.s.
Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
a bear?


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If it is Saturday, day hike and returning Saturday evening, I would be inte=
rested in joining.=20

-----Original Message-----
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Mrugalski
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:45 PM
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Hi,
I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have a =
car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving some=
where on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and returning to =
Toronto on Sunday.

I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there alread=
y and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking rather th=
an driving). Any closer alternatives?

Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around 15-20km =
trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs this time),=
 but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof jacket and wi=
ll have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that is relevant, but=
 I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)

Thanks,
Tomek

p.s.
Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in Can=
ada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for a bear=
?

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The Bruce Trail is quite close (relative to Algonquin) and quite pleasant:

http://brucetrail.org/places


Russell

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On 2014-07-24, 3:50 PM, "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)"
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>If it is Saturday, day hike and returning Saturday evening, I would be
>interested in joining.
>
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>Tomek Mrugalski
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>
>Hi,
>I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
>a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
>somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
>returning to Toronto on Sunday.
>
>I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
>already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
>rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?
>
>Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
>15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
>this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
>jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
>is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)
>
>Thanks,
>Tomek
>
>p.s.
>Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
>Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for a
>bear?
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Le 2014-07-24 15:45, Tomek Mrugalski a écrit :
> Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
> Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
> a bear?

You don't need those on the East coast. Bear repellent is for brown
bears, which are on the West coast. All we have here are black bears,
and they will be way more afraid of you than you will be of them. So you
likely won't see any.

Simon


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I was going to suggest that you drive to Niagara, and you hike down to
Niagara-on-the-Lake, and you can likely find a good circle that includes
between 3 and 15 wineries on your way back to your car.

The Brucetrail essentially starts there....

(As an aside, we are going to Niagara/Niagara-on-the-lake area on Friday, and
could have 1 seat, but we are not returning to Toronto. so you'd have to find
your own way back, but maybe you want to drive to Hamilton, and come with us
to Niagara and then hike back on Saturday)

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>
>p.s.
>Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
>Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
>a bear?

http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/grizzly_bear_warn
ing_sign.jpg



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There are nice hiking trails within 15-20 minutes drive. Go to Edward Garde=
n, and walk down to Sunny Brook park. It is very pleasant. You can get ther=
e by bus/subway too.=20

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ient=3Dfirefox-a&um=3D1&ie=3DUTF-8&fb=3D1&gl=3Dus&cid=3D9622352163738371815=
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Linda

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If it is Saturday, day hike and returning Saturday evening, I would be inte=
rested in joining.=20

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Hi,
I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have a =
car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving some=
where on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and returning to =
Toronto on Sunday.

I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there alread=
y and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking rather th=
an driving). Any closer alternatives?

Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around 15-20km =
trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs this time),=
 but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof jacket and wi=
ll have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that is relevant, but=
 I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)

Thanks,
Tomek

p.s.
Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in Can=
ada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for a bear=
?

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For people who enjoy nice food, there is Taste of Toronto: http://tasteofto=
ronto.com/, which not only offers food from top chiefs in Toronto, but also=
 free concert.=20

You can get free tickets from the hotel concierge desk. The event is at wat=
er front, 20 minutes walk from hotel.=20

Linda
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Subject: Re: [90attendees] Gee, thanks for drinking all the beer

For those staying over the weekend, maybe this will be of interest:

Toronto=B9s Festival of Beer, http://beerfestival.ca July 25th through the =
27th.

Kannan

On 7/24/14, 1:29 PM, "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" <giomarti@cisco.com>
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>=AB Qu'ils boivent du vin ! =BB
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>Free translation from
>http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%27ils_mangent_de_la_brioche_!
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>Cheers
>G
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>>=20
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Ferry over the to Island. I hear it's quite beautiful.

C
On 7/24/14, 12:45 PM, Tomek Mrugalski wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
> a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
> somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
> returning to Toronto on Sunday.
>
> I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
> already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
> rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?
>
> Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
> 15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
> this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
> jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
> is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)
>
> Thanks,
> Tomek
>
> p.s.
> Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
> Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
> a bear?
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    Ferry over the to Island. I hear it's quite beautiful.<br>
    <br>
    C<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/14, 12:45 PM, Tomek Mrugalski
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:53D16258.5060005@gmail.com" type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">Hi,
I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
returning to Toronto on Sunday.

I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?

Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)

Thanks,
Tomek

p.s.
Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
a bear?

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There's more than one place to walk in Toronto.  Have a peek at
http://www.trca.on.ca/walkthedon/.

A

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:33:12PM -0700, Colin Doyle wrote:
> Ferry over the to Island. I hear it's quite beautiful.
> 
> C
> On 7/24/14, 12:45 PM, Tomek Mrugalski wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
> >a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
> >somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
> >returning to Toronto on Sunday.
> >
> >I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
> >already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
> >rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?
> >
> >Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
> >15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
> >this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
> >jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
> >is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tomek
> >
> >p.s.
> >Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
> >Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
> >a bear?
> >
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> -- 
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> 7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215
> Portland, OR 97225
> 
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http://www.torontohiking.com/


On 7/24/14 3:45 PM, "Tomek Mrugalski" <tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
>a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
>somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
>returning to Toronto on Sunday.
>
>I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
>already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
>rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?
>
>Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
>15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
>this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
>jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
>is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)
>
>Thanks,
>Tomek
>
>p.s.
>Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
>Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
>a bear?
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There's a summer friendly game between Milan and Olympiacos FC today, 8 pm
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(narrowing To: list to 90attendees)

What is the difference between ietf.1x and ietf-a.1x?  They both seem to
put me on channel 36 5GHz?  Will one work better than the other for some
reason?

Also note that my Macbook authenticates with both just fine.  :-)

BTW, I would be happy with the proposed SSID change.  It took me several
IETFs before I realized I was allowed onto ietf.1x and found out what the
username/password were.

Thanks, Larry

On 7/24/14 4:38 PM, "IETF Chair" <chair@ietf.org> wrote:

>While many of us have been working on improved transport and other
>security mechanisms, I=B9d like to observe that the default wireless
>network we are using here in Toronto is unencrypted over the air.  I am
>not sure how good practice that is. And it is probably not a good example
>either.
>
>Could we consider making 802.1X the default, for instance, starting in
>Honolulu meeting? At least in the sense of the ietf SSID providing
>security and perhaps ietf-nosec providing the current behaviour?
>
>It would also be helpful if you try it now. The two SSIDs, ietf.1x and
>ietf-a.1x are available now, we recommend you use them and we would
>appreciate your reporting any problems. The user ID and password are both
>'ietf' (sans quotes).
>
>Jari Arkko
>IETF Chair
>(with input from some NOC people)
>


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Larry,

On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Larry Kreeger (kreeger) <kreeger@cisco.com> =
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> What is the difference between ietf.1x and ietf-a.1x?  They both seem =
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> put me on channel 36 5GHz?  Will one work better than the other for =
some
> reason?

	ietf.1x is WPA2 Enterprise on both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. ietf-a.1x is =
the same security, but only on the 5Ghz band. This is because some OS's =
don't let you prefer a band, and we wanted to make it easy for people to =
force 5Ghz, which helps the wireless situation immensely.

	- Jim


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On 24 Jul 2014, at 23:30, Nalini Elkins =
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> Anyone want to share a taxi to the airport at about 1pm tomorrow?

There is =
https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90departures.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On 24 Jul 2014, at 23:30, Nalini Elkins &lt;<a href="mailto:nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com">nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; position: static; z-index: auto;"><div><span>Anyone want to share a taxi to the airport at about 1pm tomorrow?</span></div><div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>There is&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90departures">https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90departures</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br><style><!--
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Hello, i'm leaving Saturday from Fairmont Royal York Hotel, i am
wondering if someone leaving around 2pm wants to share a taxi with me to
the Airport to alleviate the costs.

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To someone with relevant experience, how much time should one allow
for check in for a flight to the US?

(Yes, I know that US immigration and customs happens here.)

   Brian



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I don't know if anyone needs to be told this or not, but there is real wild=
erness to be in Ontario. Be sure you let someone know where exactly you are=
 going. You might not always have cell phone coverage.=20
Respect the animals.=20

Bears can be a problem if you temp them with food:=20

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Le 2014-07-24 15:45, Tomek Mrugalski a =E9crit :
> Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
> Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
> a bear?

You don't need those on the East coast. Bear repellent is for brown
bears, which are on the West coast. All we have here are black bears,
and they will be way more afraid of you than you will be of them. So you
likely won't see any.

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Do you have a bag to check in? More than customs and immigration it took Air=
 Canada 30 min for me to check my bag that I was eligible to check in for fr=
ee. All because the system did not recognize my MileagePlus status.=20

I would give it 45 min.=20

Mahesh Jethanandani=20
mjethanandani@gmail.com

On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:02 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>=
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> To someone with relevant experience, how much time should one allow
> for check in for a flight to the US?
>=20
> (Yes, I know that US immigration and customs happens here.)
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>   Brian
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Already we've seen some messages talking about sharing taxis.

In a probably hopeless attempt to improve communication and therefore =
people's chances of finding a ride share:

The attendees wiki has a share-a-ride page:

https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/90departures

As of now, 10:19 on Thu evening, that page reports 9 people leaving on =
Friday, 5 people leaving on Saturday, and 1 leaving on Sunday.  This is =
a wiki -- that will change.

You have to login to edit, but the main page notes:

If you are registered for IETF 90, a user account has been automatically =
created for you on this Wiki. Your user name is the email address you =
registered under, and your initial password is your 10 digit =
confirmation number. You can change your password in your profile =
settings.

--Sandy


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Pressed send too soon.=20

Link: http://www.algonquinpark.on.ca/visit/recreational_activites/black-bea=
r-safety-rules.php

You won't see bears near Toronto, but in Algonquin park and other wild area=
s it is possible.=20




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I don't know if anyone needs to be told this or not, but there is real wild=
erness to be in Ontario. Be sure you let someone know where exactly you are=
 going. You might not always have cell phone coverage.=20
Respect the animals.=20

Bears can be a problem if you temp them with food:=20

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Le 2014-07-24 15:45, Tomek Mrugalski a =E9crit :
> Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
> Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for
> a bear?

You don't need those on the East coast. Bear repellent is for brown
bears, which are on the West coast. All we have here are black bears,
and they will be way more afraid of you than you will be of them. So you
likely won't see any.

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At 2:02 PM +1200 7/25/14, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>  To someone with relevant experience, how much time should one allow
>  for check in for a flight to the US?
>
>  (Yes, I know that US immigration and customs happens here.)

If you have NEXUS or Global Entry, you get expedited egress and 
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be in effect (but not in name) Pre-Check where you leave liquids and 
laptops in your bag and shoes or flip-flops on your feet.  If you are 
flying out of T3 and have NEXUS or Global Entry, the expedited 
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I have done the two northern parts of Bruce trail and they are very
beautiful.  Highly recommended, though it is a good drive to get up there.

Kilarney provincial park is another favorite with outstanding landscape
and views and miles and miles of trail.
http://www.ontarioparks.com/park/killarney  Though again it is a good
drive away (~5 hours).  But the drive is also very pretty after you get
north of Barrie.  And there are lot of other off the beaten path trails
between Barrie and Sudbury.  There are plenty of snowmobiling trails that
are great summer hiking trails you can use. Go to (mec.ca), they have a
good selection of detailed maps if you want to give any of those a try.

You don=B9t need to worry about steep climbs as the highest point in all of
ontario is nothing more than a little hill!  And you don=B9t have to worry
about black bears, as long as you give them a way out and don=B9t mess with
them you are fine.  However depending on how far north you go, if you see
moose, don=B9t get close to them.  They are a lot more dangerous than black
bears.  Keep your distance.

Have fun and be safe!


Cheers,
Morteza

On 7/24/14, 3:52 PM, "Russell Sutherland" <russell.sutherland@utoronto.ca>
wrote:

>The Bruce Trail is quite close (relative to Algonquin) and quite pleasant:
>
>http://brucetrail.org/places
>
>
>Russell
>
>--=20
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>mobile: +1.416.803.0080
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>
>
>
>On 2014-07-24, 3:50 PM, "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)"
><tsenevir@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>If it is Saturday, day hike and returning Saturday evening, I would be
>>interested in joining.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>Tomek Mrugalski
>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:45 PM
>>To: 90attendees@ietf.org
>>Subject: [90attendees] Hiking near Toronto
>>
>>Hi,
>>I'm looking for a nice place to hike somewhere around Toronto. Will have
>>a car and a whole Saturday just for hiking. I was thinking about driving
>>somewhere on Friday evening, then hiking most of the Saturday and
>>returning to Toronto on Sunday.
>>
>>I was thinking about Algonquin park. It's beautiful, but I was there
>>already and it's rather on the far side. (I prefer to spend time hiking
>>rather than driving). Any closer alternatives?
>>
>>Any recommendations? I'm reasonably fit, I'm thinking about around
>>15-20km trail. I don't have my hiking boots with me (so no steep climbs
>>this time), but do have a flashlight, backpack, warm clothes, waterproof
>>jacket and will have ample supplies of water and food. Not sure if that
>>is relevant, but I ran out of bear repellent ointment ;)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tomek
>>
>>p.s.
>>Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents in
>>Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy for a
>>bear?
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>>  To someone with relevant experience, how much time should one allow
>>  for check in for a flight to the US?
>>
>>  (Yes, I know that US immigration and customs happens here.)
>
>If you have NEXUS or Global Entry, you get expedited egress and 
>security. 

CATSA (the Canadian version of the TSA) publishes wait times here:

http://www.catsa.gc.ca/waittimes?field_wt_airport_city_value=Toronto

That's just the security wait, not the immigration wait.  If you have
NEXUS or GE, immigration rarely takes more than five minutes.  If you
don't, I'd allow an hour.  It probably won't take an hour, but you can
feel awfully frustrated if your plane leaves while you're still in
the queue.

Also note that T1 commuter flights to the US leave from a group of
gates locally known as Siberia, which are reached after a very long
walk that includes either a flight of stairs or a slow elevator.

R's,
John



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On 24-07-14 02:09, Tim Chown wrote:
> 
>> On 24 Jul 2014, at 01:06, "Townsley.net" <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
>>
>> Out at "Oniwa" tonight with a group and the waitress says "I am so very sorry, but we have only 5 beers left in the entire restaurant. We had a lot of people at lunch today."  
> 
> Amsterdam Brewhouse was pretty much out last night too.
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> The WG chairs are drinking the Loose Moose dry as I type...
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Algonquin is a very nice place.
I was there last week end but unfortunately I didn't see any bear neither m=
oose :(

But take care of mosquitos and black flies ... There are plenty , attacking=
 you when hicking (really aggressive), so do not forget protection and afte=
r bites.


-----Original Message-----
From: 90attendees [mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave D=
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Pressed send too soon.=20

Link: http://www.algonquinpark.on.ca/visit/recreational_activites/black-bea=
r-safety-rules.php

You won't see bears near Toronto, but in Algonquin park and other wild area=
s it is possible.=20




----- Original Message -----
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I don't know if anyone needs to be told this or not, but there is real wild=
erness to be in Ontario. Be sure you let someone know where exactly you are=
 going. You might not always have cell phone coverage.=20
Respect the animals.=20

Bears can be a problem if you temp them with food:=20

----- Original Message -----
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Le 2014-07-24 15:45, Tomek Mrugalski a =E9crit :
> Uh oh, I just checked and there *are* such things as bear repellents=20
> in Canada. Do they really work or is it like making myself extra spicy=20
> for a bear?

You don't need those on the East coast. Bear repellent is for brown bears, =
which are on the West coast. All we have here are black bears, and they wil=
l be way more afraid of you than you will be of them. So you likely won't s=
ee any.

Simon

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Le 2014-07-20 =E0 16:41, Stuart Cheshire <ietf14@stuartcheshire.org> a =
=E9crit :

> On 20 Jul, 2014, at 11:36, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>=20
>> let me be more clear.  are we trying to provide high quality internet =
to conference attendees or hold a religious ceremony?
>=20
> IETF meetings also serve a third function: Education. I always hope to =
leave IETF meetings knowing more than I did when I arrived.
>=20
> Many meetings ago Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and =
suggested I try out the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple =
of minutes of my time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked =
fine. In fact I was amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few =
minor things did not work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and =
iOS was improved as a result. And this happened because people like Marc =
Blanchet had worked to make NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that =
people like me could easily try it out. This was a good outcome.

- I was not paying attention to this mailing list and someone recently =
told me about your message.
- thanks for your nice message, but just want to say that this "nat64 =
experiment" over many IETFs has been a teamwork, and I was just the =
"communications vehicule". so credits should go to the team.

Regards, Marc.

>=20
> I would support making IPv6 with NAT64 be the default IETF meeting =
service, because as time goes on this is likely to be the only network =
many residential customers have, so our community needs to be =
knowledgeable about how well such networks work. For people who still =
need native IPv4 (hopefully a dwindling minority) there should also be =
an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that provides both native IPv4 and native =
IPv6.
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> As an aside, I just tried using a Google Nexus 5 running Android =
4.4.4, and it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network, helpfully =
telling me that it had =93Avoided poor Internet connection.=94
>=20
> Any other Android users seen this on the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?
>=20
> Stuart Cheshire
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11:36, Randy Bush &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">let me be more clear. &nbsp;are =
we trying to provide high quality internet to&nbsp;conference attendees =
or hold a religious ceremony?<br></blockquote><br>IETF meetings also =
serve a third function: Education. I always hope to leave IETF meetings =
knowing more than I did when I arrived.<div><br></div><div>Many meetings =
ago&nbsp;Marc Blanchet tapped me on the shoulder and suggested I try out =
the IETF-NAT64 network. I did. It took only a couple of minutes of my =
time to try it out. Most things on my iPhone worked fine. In fact I was =
amazed at how much stuff worked perfectly. A few minor things did not =
work perfectly. I filed bug reports for those, and iOS was improved as a =
result. And this happened because people like&nbsp;Marc Blanchet had =
worked to make&nbsp;NAT64 available at an IETF meeting so that people =
like me could&nbsp;easily try it out. This was a good =
outcome.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>- I was not paying =
attention to this mailing list and someone recently told me about your =
message.</div><div>- thanks for your nice message, but just want to say =
that this "nat64 experiment" over many IETFs has been a teamwork, and I =
was just the "communications vehicule". so credits should go to the =
team.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Marc.</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>I =
would support making IPv6 with&nbsp;NAT64 be the default IETF meeting =
service, because as time goes on this is likely to be the only network =
many residential customers have, so our community needs to be =
knowledgeable about how well such networks work. For people who still =
need native IPv4 (hopefully a dwindling minority) there should also be =
an =93IETF-Legacy=94 SSID that provides both native IPv4 and native =
IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>As an aside, I just tried using a Google =
Nexus 5 running Android 4.4.4, and it refused to use the =93IETF-NAT64=94 =
network, helpfully telling me that it had =93Avoided poor Internet =
connection.=94</div><div><br></div><div>Any other&nbsp;Android users =
seen this on&nbsp;the =93IETF-NAT64=94 network?</div><div><br>Stuart =
Cheshire</div><div><br></div><div><span>&lt;Screenshot_2014-07-20-15-16-55=
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ietf-a.1x is my default SSID for IETF meetings, I've always found it speedy
and reliable (as well as secure).

Cheers,
Andy



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jim Martin <jrmii@isc.org> wrote:

> Larry,
>
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Larry Kreeger (kreeger) <kreeger@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> What is the difference between ietf.1x and ietf-a.1x?  They both seem to
> put me on channel 36 5GHz?  Will one work better than the other for some
> reason?
>
>
> ietf.1x is WPA2 Enterprise on both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. ietf-a.1x is the same
> security, but only on the 5Ghz band. This is because some OS's don't let
> you prefer a band, and we wanted to make it easy for people to force 5Ghz,
> which helps the wireless situation immensely.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ietf-a.1x is my default SSID for IETF meetings, I&#39;ve a=
lways found it speedy and reliable (as well as secure).<br><div><br></div><=
div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra">

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jim Mar=
tin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jrmii@isc.org" target=3D"_blank=
">jrmii@isc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Larry,<div class=3D""><div><br><div><di=
v>On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Larry Kreeger (kreeger) &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:kreeger@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">kreeger@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</di=
v><br>

<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12=
px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:=
normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n=
one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important=
">What is the difference between ietf.1x and ietf-a.1x? =C2=A0They both see=
m to</span><br style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-heigh=
t:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:n=
ormal;word-spacing:0px">

<span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-=
variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;=
text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor=
d-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">put me on channel 36 5GH=
z? =C2=A0Will one work better than the other for some</span><br style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;=
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<span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-=
variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;=
text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor=
d-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">reason?</span></blockquo=
te>

</div><br></div></div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>iet=
f.1x is WPA2 Enterprise on both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. ietf-a.1x is the same secu=
rity, but only on the 5Ghz band. This is because some OS&#39;s don&#39;t le=
t you prefer a band, and we wanted to make it easy for people to force 5Ghz=
, which helps the wireless situation immensely.</div>

<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div><span st=
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verilan & volunteers - so long and thanks for all the packets, for not
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This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues.  =
Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference.  My =
iphone on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the =
wifi:
- "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always give me an =
address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
- "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in my room but =
connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.
- The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell =
back to the other config.

Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to =
Rogers.

Did anyone else see similar issues? =20

In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the =
root cause of such problems?

-- Jeff



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Jeff,

same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone was well.

And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices I tried, 
including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.

thanks,


On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
> This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues.  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference.  My iphone on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
> - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always give me an address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
> - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in my room but connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.
> - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell back to the other config.
>
> Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to Rogers.
>
> Did anyone else see similar issues?
>
> In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the root cause of such problems?
>
> -- Jeff
>
>
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> In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the
> root cause of such problems?

the noc should have a help desk in the terminal room.  oh wait.  they
do.

randy


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On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in the meeting floors. In my room,
"ietf-hotel" was useless, and I used Rogers for the iPhone; I used the
wired connection for my Mac, and I would have used Internet sharing on the
laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers worked fine.

Cheers,
Andy



On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno <rapenno@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone was well.
>
> And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices I tried,
> including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
> On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
>
>> This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues.
>>  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference.  My iphone
>> on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
>> - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always give me an
>> address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
>> - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in my room but
>> connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.
>> - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell
>> back to the other config.
>>
>> Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to
>> Rogers.
>>
>> Did anyone else see similar issues?
>>
>> In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the
>> root cause of such problems?
>>
>> -- Jeff
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 90attendees mailing list
>> 90attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On my iPhone5s, &quot;ietf&quot; worked very well in the m=
eeting floors. In my room, &quot;ietf-hotel&quot; was useless, and I used R=
ogers for the iPhone; I used the wired connection for my Mac, and I would h=
ave used Internet sharing on the laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers work=
ed fine.<div>

<br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at=
 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rapenno@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">rapenno@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jeff,<br>
<br>
same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone was well.<br>
<br>
And in general &quot;ietf-hotel&quot; was very flaky across all devices I t=
ried, including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.<br>
<br>
thanks,<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues. =C2=A0=
Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference. =C2=A0My iph=
one on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:<br=
>
- &quot;ietf&quot; would connect most of the time, but not always give me a=
n address. =C2=A0Occasionally I&#39;d get ipv6 dns address.<br>
- &quot;ietf-hotel&quot; would connect most regularly, especially in my roo=
m but connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.<br>
- The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell back=
 to the other config.<br>
<br>
Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to Rogers.=
<br>
<br>
Did anyone else see similar issues?<br>
<br>
In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the root=
 cause of such problems?<br>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
<br>
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> On 26.07.2014, at 12:05, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
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> Did anyone else see similar issues? =20

As usual, eduroam just worked on my 5s.
I never knew I wasn't at my university.
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We can't fix what we don't know about.

My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for ietf-hotel in my
room, but I was in a corner room at the very end of the hall. My laptop
even had issues there, despite the much better antenna. My Airport Express
solved that problem and gave me much better wifi performance in my room
using the room wired connection. Other folks I know had Androids of various
types and they also worked well on our networks.

Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many others)
Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the help desk.
Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting a report to
tickets@meeting.ietf.org, as noted in the Network Information page. It is
obviously too late now, unfortunately.

The information that would help us debug these issues include:

 - The model of device, the version of OS it is running, and the MAC
addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces
 - The SSID you are connecting to
 - The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)
 - Where this happened
 - Description of what didn't work, and, if other networks work, what did.
Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or DNS addresses you got, or
which you didn't get.
 - If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x, and
eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How do you
have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have our
certificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept it? Are
you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x nets? Are you
using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?
 - If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS server? If so,
where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute show?

Don't worry if you can't supply all of the above. It's great if you can,
and we can help you find what we need if you can't. If you can only supply
some information, the MAC addresses you used on device's wifi interfaces is
the most important for us to start tracking down where things didn't work.
Often we can determine the issue and help you re-configure your devices in
minutes. It might take longer if it is a network issue, but we were only
affected by a single bug, and it did not affect any attendees, that we
configured a workaround for this time. We had no other problems that we
knew about.

Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!
Chris.



On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in the meeting floors. In my room,
> "ietf-hotel" was useless, and I used Rogers for the iPhone; I used the
> wired connection for my Mac, and I would have used Internet sharing on the
> laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers worked fine.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno <rapenno@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone was well.
>>
>> And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices I tried,
>> including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
>>
>>> This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues.
>>>  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference.  My iphone
>>> on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
>>> - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always give me an
>>> address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
>>> - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in my room but
>>> connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.
>>> - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell
>>> back to the other config.
>>>
>>> Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to
>>> Rogers.
>>>
>>> Did anyone else see similar issues?
>>>
>>> In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the
>>> root cause of such problems?
>>>
>>> -- Jeff
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We can&#39;t fix what we don&#39;t know about.<div><br></d=
iv><div>My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for ietf-hot=
el in my room, but I was in a corner room at the very end of the hall. My l=
aptop even had issues there, despite the much better antenna. My Airport Ex=
press solved that problem and gave me much better wifi performance in my ro=
om using the room wired connection. Other folks I know had Androids of vari=
ous types and they also worked well on our networks.<div>

<br></div><div>Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and=
 many others) Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the he=
lp desk. Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting a repor=
t to <a href=3D"mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org">tickets@meeting.ietf.org</=
a>, as noted in the Network Information page. It is obviously too late now,=
 unfortunately.</div>

<div><br></div><div>The information that would help us debug these issues i=
nclude:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0- The model of device, the version o=
f OS it is running, and the MAC addresses you used on it&#39;s wifi interfa=
ces</div>

<div>=C2=A0- The SSID you are connecting to</div><div>=C2=A0- The BSSID of =
the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)</div><div>=C2=A0- Where this h=
appened</div><div>=C2=A0- Description of what didn&#39;t work, and, if othe=
r networks work, what did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or=
 DNS addresses you got, or which you didn&#39;t get.</div>

<div>=C2=A0- If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-=
a.1x, and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How=
 do you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have our ce=
rtificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept it? Are you =
using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x nets? Are you usi=
ng TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?</div>

<div>=C2=A0- If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS serve=
r? If so, where couldn&#39;t you reach, and what does a traceroute show?</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t worry if you can&#39;t supply all of the a=
bove. It&#39;s great if you can, and we can help you find what we need if y=
ou can&#39;t. If you can only supply some information, the MAC addresses yo=
u used on device&#39;s wifi interfaces is the most important for us to star=
t tracking down where things didn&#39;t work. Often we can determine the is=
sue and help you re-configure your devices in minutes. It might take longer=
 if it is a network issue, but we were only affected by a single bug, and i=
t did not affect any attendees, that we configured a workaround for this ti=
me. We had no other problems that we knew about.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!</div><div>=
Chris.</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">On my iPhone5s, &quot;ietf&=
quot; worked very well in the meeting floors. In my room, &quot;ietf-hotel&=
quot; was useless, and I used Rogers for the iPhone; I used the wired conne=
ction for my Mac, and I would have used Internet sharing on the laptop if I=
 had needed it, but Rogers worked fine.<div>



<br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rapenno@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rapenno=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jeff,<br>
<br>
same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone was well.<br>
<br>
And in general &quot;ietf-hotel&quot; was very flaky across all devices I t=
ried, including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.<br>
<br>
thanks,<div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw similar issues. =C2=A0=
Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the conference. =C2=A0My iph=
one on the other hand, seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:<br=
>
- &quot;ietf&quot; would connect most of the time, but not always give me a=
n address. =C2=A0Occasionally I&#39;d get ipv6 dns address.<br>
- &quot;ietf-hotel&quot; would connect most regularly, especially in my roo=
m but connectivity to the outside world was flakey at best.<br>
- The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up immediately and fell back=
 to the other config.<br>
<br>
Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and falling back to Rogers.=
<br>
<br>
Did anyone else see similar issues?<br>
<br>
In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for diagnosing the root=
 cause of such problems?<br>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
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Chris,

On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:
> Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many =
others) Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the help =
desk. Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting a =
report to tickets@meeting.ietf.org, as noted in the Network Information =
page. It is obviously too late now, unfortunately.

If I had zero connectivity, I would have.  It was only the iphone that =
was behaving oddly, which suggested issues with my equipment.

>=20
> The information that would help us debug these issues include:
>=20
>  - The model of device, the version of OS it is running, and the MAC =
addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces
>  - The SSID you are connecting to
>  - The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)

Is there a way to retrieve the bssid from the iphone?  The diagnostic =
information provided in the control panel is very sparse.

>  - Where this happened
>  - Description of what didn't work, and, if other networks work, what =
did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or DNS addresses you =
got, or which you didn't get.
>  - If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x, =
and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How do =
you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have our =
certificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept it? Are =
you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x nets? Are =
you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?
>  - If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS server? If =
so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute show?

For the bulk of the cases, it simply would try to associate for a few =
seconds, then give up and move along.  In a few of the weird cases, =
association appeared to complete, but dhcp looked like it hung and =
eventually a 169.254 address might be assigned.  In the oddest cases I'd =
get a 2001:: dns server.

And thanks for the additional information.  Unlike Randy's suggestion, =
I'd rather show up with more than "rectangular internet box broken. =
please fix."

-- Jeff=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Chris,<div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:27 =
PM, Chris Elliott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:chelliot@pobox.com">chelliot@pobox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Please =
report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many others) =
Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the help desk. =
Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting a report to =
<a href=3D"mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org">tickets@meeting.ietf.org</a>, =
as noted in the Network Information page. It is obviously too late now, =
unfortunately.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If I had =
zero connectivity, I would have. &nbsp;It was only the iphone that was =
behaving oddly, which suggested issues with my =
equipment.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>

<div><br></div><div>The information that would help us debug these =
issues include:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;- The model of device, =
the version of OS it is running, and the MAC addresses you used on it's =
wifi interfaces</div>

<div>&nbsp;- The SSID you are connecting to</div><div>&nbsp;- The BSSID =
of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the =
AP)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Is there a way to =
retrieve the bssid from the iphone? &nbsp;The diagnostic information =
provided in the control panel is very sparse.</div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>&nbsp;- Where this =
happened</div><div>&nbsp;- Description of what didn't work, and, if =
other networks work, what did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router =
and/or DNS addresses you got, or which you didn't get.</div>

<div>&nbsp;- If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, =
ietf-a.1x, and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get =
authenticated? How do you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) =
configured? Do you have our certificate in your certificate store or are =
you asked to accept it? Are you using ietf/ietf as username and password =
for the ietf*.1x nets? Are you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC =
inner EAP methods?</div>

<div>&nbsp;- If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS =
server? If so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute =
show?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>For the bulk of the =
cases, it simply would try to associate for a few seconds, then give up =
and move along. &nbsp;In a few of the weird cases, association appeared =
to complete, but dhcp looked like it hung and eventually a 169.254 =
address might be assigned. &nbsp;In the oddest cases I'd get a 2001:: =
dns server.</div><div><br></div><div>And thanks for the additional =
information. &nbsp;Unlike Randy's suggestion, I'd rather show up with =
more than "rectangular internet box broken. please =
fix."</div><div><br></div></div><div>-- Jeff</div></body></html>=

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> I'd rather show up with more than "rectangular internet box
> broken. please fix."

help desk should know how to get info, such as bssid, off the phone.  or
boot to someone in the noc.  but with the net down, everybody home, ...
there is little hope.

i report bugs as soon as i sense them.  i may not have sufficient info
to debug, but perhaps my issues correlate with those of others.  and,
yes, i whine even when all i can say is "the intertubes are broken."

randy


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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Chris Elliott wrote:

> Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many others)

I would just like to chime in that I have several times reported things 
during IETF meetings and received excellent responses in a very timely 
fashion. So people, report if you have problems so they can be fixed, the 
crew behind the ticket system seems to work very efficiently and know what 
they're doing, so there is no reason not to report issues.

-- 
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On 7/26/2014 4:27 PM, Chris Elliott wrote:
> We can't fix what we don't know about.

Hi Chris -

I, like the others, encountered problems with my iPhone and iPad. But 
not with my laptop.  That to me said that it was probably something I'd 
done to myself rather than an issue with the network. That, coupled with 
no other reports on the mailing list, led to me not filing a report.

I also encountered the issues with connecting to ietf-a through those 
devices similar to what was mentioned elsewhere, primarily in the 
lobby.  I didn't use any of the encrypted wireless SSIDs.

Unfortunately, all the nice tools I have on my laptop to figure out 
things don't exists on my iP* devices.

My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably 
Google.  I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time. That 
was particularly problematic in that the furshlinger Safari version that 
is current no longer has separate bars for search vs urls and that led 
to some interesting  cursing on my part.  I ended up using Bing a number 
of times as it was reasonably responsive.

I've got an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini - both running ios 7.1.2. I'm 
suspicious of ipv6 routing related to this issue.

In any event, I'll know to report these at the next IETF.

Thanks for the good work you and the NOC did during this last IETF.

Mike



>
> My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for ietf-hotel 
> in my room, but I was in a corner room at the very end of the hall. My 
> laptop even had issues there, despite the much better antenna. My 
> Airport Express solved that problem and gave me much better wifi 
> performance in my room using the room wired connection. Other folks I 
> know had Androids of various types and they also worked well on our 
> networks.
>
> Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many 
> others) Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the 
> help desk. Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting 
> a report to tickets@meeting.ietf.org 
> <mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org>, as noted in the Network Information 
> page. It is obviously too late now, unfortunately.
>
> The information that would help us debug these issues include:
>
>  - The model of device, the version of OS it is running, and the MAC 
> addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces
>  - The SSID you are connecting to
>  - The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)
>  - Where this happened
>  - Description of what didn't work, and, if other networks work, what 
> did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or DNS addresses 
> you got, or which you didn't get.
>  - If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x, 
> and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How 
> do you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have 
> our certificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept 
> it? Are you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x 
> nets? Are you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?
>  - If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS server? If 
> so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute show?
>
> Don't worry if you can't supply all of the above. It's great if you 
> can, and we can help you find what we need if you can't. If you can 
> only supply some information, the MAC addresses you used on device's 
> wifi interfaces is the most important for us to start tracking down 
> where things didn't work. Often we can determine the issue and help 
> you re-configure your devices in minutes. It might take longer if it 
> is a network issue, but we were only affected by a single bug, and it 
> did not affect any attendees, that we configured a workaround for this 
> time. We had no other problems that we knew about.
>
> Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!
> Chris.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com 
> <mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in the meeting floors. In
>     my room, "ietf-hotel" was useless, and I used Rogers for the
>     iPhone; I used the wired connection for my Mac, and I would have
>     used Internet sharing on the laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers
>     worked fine.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Andy
>
>
>
>     On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno
>     <rapenno@gmail.com <mailto:rapenno@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Jeff,
>
>         same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone
>         was well.
>
>         And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices
>         I tried, including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.
>
>         thanks,
>
>
>
>         On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
>
>             This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw
>             similar issues.  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine
>             throughout the conference.  My iphone on the other hand,
>             seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
>             - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always
>             give me an address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
>             - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in
>             my room but connectivity to the outside world was flakey
>             at best.
>             - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up
>             immediately and fell back to the other config.
>
>             Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and
>             falling back to Rogers.
>
>             Did anyone else see similar issues?
>
>             In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for
>             diagnosing the root cause of such problems?
>
>             -- Jeff
>
>
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> -- 
> Chris Elliott
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2014 4:27 PM, Chris Elliott
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAO_RpcJEenDPZM6G=boQqROQgnNMA_OGYaPA9ghpCdVngr_4Jg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">We can't fix what we don't know about.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Hi Chris - <br>
    <br>
    I, like the others, encountered problems with my iPhone and iPad.&nbsp;
    But not with my laptop.&nbsp; That to me said that it was probably
    something I'd done to myself rather than an issue with the network.&nbsp;
    That, coupled with no other reports on the mailing list, led to me
    not filing a report.&nbsp; <br>
    <br>
    I also encountered the issues with connecting to ietf-a through
    those devices similar to what was mentioned elsewhere, primarily in
    the lobby.&nbsp; I didn't use any of the encrypted wireless SSIDs.<br>
    <br>
    Unfortunately, all the nice tools I have on my laptop to figure out
    things don't exists on my iP* devices.<br>
    <br>
    My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably
    Google.&nbsp; I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time.
    That was particularly problematic in that the furshlinger Safari
    version that is current no longer has separate bars for search vs
    urls and that led to some interesting&nbsp; cursing on my part.&nbsp; I ended
    up using Bing a number of times as it was reasonably responsive.<br>
    <br>
    I've got an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini - both running ios 7.1.2.&nbsp;
    I'm suspicious of ipv6 routing related to this issue.<br>
    <br>
    In any event, I'll know to report these at the next IETF.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for the good work you and the NOC did during this last IETF.<br>
    <br>
    Mike<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAO_RpcJEenDPZM6G=boQqROQgnNMA_OGYaPA9ghpCdVngr_4Jg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for
          ietf-hotel in my room, but I was in a corner room at the very
          end of the hall. My laptop even had issues there, despite the
          much better antenna. My Airport Express solved that problem
          and gave me much better wifi performance in my room using the
          room wired connection. Other folks I know had Androids of
          various types and they also worked well on our networks.
          <div>
            <br>
          </div>
          <div>Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting
            (and many others) Verilan is contracted to support the
            network and staff the help desk. Please make use of them,
            either in person or by submitting a report to <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org">tickets@meeting.ietf.org</a>,
            as noted in the Network Information page. It is obviously
            too late now, unfortunately.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>The information that would help us debug these issues
            include:</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>&nbsp;- The model of device, the version of OS it is running,
            and the MAC addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- The SSID you are connecting to</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the
            AP)</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- Where this happened</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- Description of what didn't work, and, if other
            networks work, what did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and
            router and/or DNS addresses you got, or which you didn't
            get.</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks
            (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x, and eduroam), exactly where it failed.
            Did you get authenticated? How do you have your 802.1X
            supplicant (client) configured? Do you have our certificate
            in your certificate store or are you asked to accept it? Are
            you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the
            ietf*.1x nets? Are you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or
            GTC inner EAP methods?</div>
          <div>&nbsp;- If you did get addresses, could you ping the router,
            DNS server? If so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a
            traceroute show?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Don't worry if you can't supply all of the above. It's
            great if you can, and we can help you find what we need if
            you can't. If you can only supply some information, the MAC
            addresses you used on device's wifi interfaces is the most
            important for us to start tracking down where things didn't
            work. Often we can determine the issue and help you
            re-configure your devices in minutes. It might take longer
            if it is a network issue, but we were only affected by a
            single bug, and it did not affect any attendees, that we
            configured a workaround for this time. We had no other
            problems that we knew about.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!</div>
          <div>Chris.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew
          G. Malis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:agmalis@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in
              the meeting floors. In my room, "ietf-hotel" was useless,
              and I used Rogers for the iPhone; I used the wired
              connection for my Mac, and I would have used Internet
              sharing on the laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers
              worked fine.
              <div>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Cheers,</div>
              <div>Andy</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18
                    PM, Reinaldo Penno <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:rapenno@gmail.com" target="_blank">rapenno@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jeff,<br>
                      <br>
                      same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my
                      Android phone was well.<br>
                      <br>
                      And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across
                      all devices I tried, including a Mac and a Lenovo
                      Windows laptop.<br>
                      <br>
                      thanks,
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if
                            others saw similar issues. &nbsp;Wifi on my
                            laptop (Mac) worked fine throughout the
                            conference. &nbsp;My iphone on the other hand,
                            seemed to have all sorts of issues with the
                            wifi:<br>
                            - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but
                            not always give me an address. &nbsp;Occasionally
                            I'd get ipv6 dns address.<br>
                            - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly,
                            especially in my room but connectivity to
                            the outside world was flakey at best.<br>
                            - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply
                            gave up immediately and fell back to the
                            other config.<br>
                            <br>
                            Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the
                            wifi and falling back to Rogers.<br>
                            <br>
                            Did anyone else see similar issues?<br>
                            <br>
                            In the future, what sort of troubleshooting
                            is good for diagnosing the root cause of
                            such problems?<br>
                            <br>
                            -- Jeff<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            _______________________________________________<br>
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        </div>
        -- <br>
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> My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably =
Google.  I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time.=20

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On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:51:25PM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote:
> My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably
> Google.  I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time.

Well, it's not hard to figure out what's going on there.  Our IP range
was located in London because that's where we were last time.
Geolocation of IP addresses is your friend except, of course, when it
isn't.  When we get to HawaiÊ»i, I imagine you can expect ads for
Toronto.

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A

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Michael,

The issue of being shunted off to Google UK was probably due to Google's
"location" service, which still thought that the IETF was in London
(which is the last place where 31.133.x.y was seen).  I live in Montreal
(Canada), and even if I enter google.com, I end up on google.ca.  The
first morning, I had occasion to open google maps, and when the screen
came up, it was centered on London.

Chris,

Given the rather strong connection between the senior management at the
IETF and the senior management at Google, I am wondering if a way could
be found to "advise" Google (and some of the other location services) as
to where 31.133.x.y is going to be next.  Google's location service
thought that I was in London; another IP lookup service that I accessed
thought that we were in Atlanta.

  Bill



On 27/07/2014 12:51 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
> On 7/26/2014 4:27 PM, Chris Elliott wrote:
>> We can't fix what we don't know about.
> 
> Hi Chris -
> 
> I, like the others, encountered problems with my iPhone and iPad.  But
> not with my laptop.  That to me said that it was probably something I'd
> done to myself rather than an issue with the network.  That, coupled
> with no other reports on the mailing list, led to me not filing a report. 
> 
> I also encountered the issues with connecting to ietf-a through those
> devices similar to what was mentioned elsewhere, primarily in the
> lobby.  I didn't use any of the encrypted wireless SSIDs.
> 
> Unfortunately, all the nice tools I have on my laptop to figure out
> things don't exists on my iP* devices.
> 
> My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably
> Google.  I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time. That
> was particularly problematic in that the furshlinger Safari version that
> is current no longer has separate bars for search vs urls and that led
> to some interesting  cursing on my part.  I ended up using Bing a number
> of times as it was reasonably responsive.
> 
> I've got an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini - both running ios 7.1.2.  I'm
> suspicious of ipv6 routing related to this issue.
> 
> In any event, I'll know to report these at the next IETF.
> 
> Thanks for the good work you and the NOC did during this last IETF.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for ietf-hotel
>> in my room, but I was in a corner room at the very end of the hall. My
>> laptop even had issues there, despite the much better antenna. My
>> Airport Express solved that problem and gave me much better wifi
>> performance in my room using the room wired connection. Other folks I
>> know had Androids of various types and they also worked well on our
>> networks.
>>
>> Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many
>> others) Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the
>> help desk. Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting
>> a report to tickets@meeting.ietf.org
>> <mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org>, as noted in the Network Information
>> page. It is obviously too late now, unfortunately.
>>
>> The information that would help us debug these issues include:
>>
>>  - The model of device, the version of OS it is running, and the MAC
>> addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces
>>  - The SSID you are connecting to
>>  - The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)
>>  - Where this happened
>>  - Description of what didn't work, and, if other networks work, what
>> did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or DNS addresses
>> you got, or which you didn't get.
>>  - If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x,
>> and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How
>> do you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have
>> our certificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept
>> it? Are you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x
>> nets? Are you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?
>>  - If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS server? If
>> so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute show?
>>
>> Don't worry if you can't supply all of the above. It's great if you
>> can, and we can help you find what we need if you can't. If you can
>> only supply some information, the MAC addresses you used on device's
>> wifi interfaces is the most important for us to start tracking down
>> where things didn't work. Often we can determine the issue and help
>> you re-configure your devices in minutes. It might take longer if it
>> is a network issue, but we were only affected by a single bug, and it
>> did not affect any attendees, that we configured a workaround for this
>> time. We had no other problems that we knew about.
>>
>> Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com
>> <mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in the meeting floors. In
>>     my room, "ietf-hotel" was useless, and I used Rogers for the
>>     iPhone; I used the wired connection for my Mac, and I would have
>>     used Internet sharing on the laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers
>>     worked fine.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno
>>     <rapenno@gmail.com <mailto:rapenno@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Jeff,
>>
>>         same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone
>>         was well.
>>
>>         And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices
>>         I tried, including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.
>>
>>         thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
>>
>>             This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw
>>             similar issues.  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine
>>             throughout the conference.  My iphone on the other hand,
>>             seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
>>             - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always
>>             give me an address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
>>             - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in
>>             my room but connectivity to the outside world was flakey
>>             at best.
>>             - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up
>>             immediately and fell back to the other config.
>>
>>             Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and
>>             falling back to Rogers.
>>
>>             Did anyone else see similar issues?
>>
>>             In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for
>>             diagnosing the root cause of such problems?
>>
>>             -- Jeff
>>
>>
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:31 PM, William Atwood
<william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> The issue of being shunted off to Google UK was probably due to Google's
> "location" service, which still thought that the IETF was in London
> (which is the last place where 31.133.x.y was seen).  I live in Montreal
> (Canada), and even if I enter google.com, I end up on google.ca.  The
> first morning, I had occasion to open google maps, and when the screen
> came up, it was centered on London.
>
> Chris,
>
> Given the rather strong connection between the senior management at the
> IETF and the senior management at Google, I am wondering if a way could
> be found to "advise" Google (and some of the other location services) as
> to where 31.133.x.y is going to be next.  Google's location service
> thought that I was in London; another IP lookup service that I accessed
> thought that we were in Atlanta.


There is actually a protocol for this --
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-google-self-published-geofeeds-02 --
and we even publish a feed: http://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv

This file lets Google (and other folk who geolocate) know ahead of
time where the prefixes live. We did all the right bits - we started
announcing the space a few weeks early, we announced it from the right
AS, etc -- unfortunately I forgot the critical step of actually
updating the file... Erik Kline pointed this out to me on the 22nd,
but by then it was too late to make a difference...

So, the Google part at least was my fault. We had tried to progress
this document, but it died because of privacy concerns, and the
authors got tired of pushing it uphill...

W
>
>   Bill
>
>
>
> On 27/07/2014 12:51 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
>> On 7/26/2014 4:27 PM, Chris Elliott wrote:
>>> We can't fix what we don't know about.
>>
>> Hi Chris -
>>
>> I, like the others, encountered problems with my iPhone and iPad.  But
>> not with my laptop.  That to me said that it was probably something I'd
>> done to myself rather than an issue with the network.  That, coupled
>> with no other reports on the mailing list, led to me not filing a report.
>>
>> I also encountered the issues with connecting to ietf-a through those
>> devices similar to what was mentioned elsewhere, primarily in the
>> lobby.  I didn't use any of the encrypted wireless SSIDs.
>>
>> Unfortunately, all the nice tools I have on my laptop to figure out
>> things don't exists on my iP* devices.
>>
>> My issues manifested with problems reaching certain sites, notably
>> Google.  I kept getting shunted off to Google UK from time to time. That
>> was particularly problematic in that the furshlinger Safari version that
>> is current no longer has separate bars for search vs urls and that led
>> to some interesting  cursing on my part.  I ended up using Bing a number
>> of times as it was reasonably responsive.
>>
>> I've got an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini - both running ios 7.1.2.  I'm
>> suspicious of ipv6 routing related to this issue.
>>
>> In any event, I'll know to report these at the next IETF.
>>
>> Thanks for the good work you and the NOC did during this last IETF.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My iPhone5 worked reliably across all networks, except for ietf-hotel
>>> in my room, but I was in a corner room at the very end of the hall. My
>>> laptop even had issues there, despite the much better antenna. My
>>> Airport Express solved that problem and gave me much better wifi
>>> performance in my room using the room wired connection. Other folks I
>>> know had Androids of various types and they also worked well on our
>>> networks.
>>>
>>> Please report such issues when it happens--this meeting (and many
>>> others) Verilan is contracted to support the network and staff the
>>> help desk. Please make use of them, either in person or by submitting
>>> a report to tickets@meeting.ietf.org
>>> <mailto:tickets@meeting.ietf.org>, as noted in the Network Information
>>> page. It is obviously too late now, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> The information that would help us debug these issues include:
>>>
>>>  - The model of device, the version of OS it is running, and the MAC
>>> addresses you used on it's wifi interfaces
>>>  - The SSID you are connecting to
>>>  - The BSSID of the AP you attach to (MAC address of the AP)
>>>  - Where this happened
>>>  - Description of what didn't work, and, if other networks work, what
>>> did. Include the v4 or v6 addresses and router and/or DNS addresses
>>> you got, or which you didn't get.
>>>  - If you are using the 802.1X encrypted networks (ietf.1x, ietf-a.1x,
>>> and eduroam), exactly where it failed. Did you get authenticated? How
>>> do you have your 802.1X supplicant (client) configured? Do you have
>>> our certificate in your certificate store or are you asked to accept
>>> it? Are you using ietf/ietf as username and password for the ietf*.1x
>>> nets? Are you using TTLS or PEAP with MS-CHAPv2 or GTC inner EAP methods?
>>>  - If you did get addresses, could you ping the router, DNS server? If
>>> so, where couldn't you reach, and what does a traceroute show?
>>>
>>> Don't worry if you can't supply all of the above. It's great if you
>>> can, and we can help you find what we need if you can't. If you can
>>> only supply some information, the MAC addresses you used on device's
>>> wifi interfaces is the most important for us to start tracking down
>>> where things didn't work. Often we can determine the issue and help
>>> you re-configure your devices in minutes. It might take longer if it
>>> is a network issue, but we were only affected by a single bug, and it
>>> did not affect any attendees, that we configured a workaround for this
>>> time. We had no other problems that we knew about.
>>>
>>> Safe travels, and hope to see you in Hawaii!
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On my iPhone5s, "ietf" worked very well in the meeting floors. In
>>>     my room, "ietf-hotel" was useless, and I used Rogers for the
>>>     iPhone; I used the wired connection for my Mac, and I would have
>>>     used Internet sharing on the laptop if I had needed it, but Rogers
>>>     worked fine.
>>>
>>>     Cheers,
>>>     Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Reinaldo Penno
>>>     <rapenno@gmail.com <mailto:rapenno@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Jeff,
>>>
>>>         same here. I noticed not only on iPhone but my Android phone
>>>         was well.
>>>
>>>         And in general "ietf-hotel" was very flaky across all devices
>>>         I tried, including a Mac and a Lenovo Windows laptop.
>>>
>>>         thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 7/26/14, 9:05 AM, Jeff Haas wrote:
>>>
>>>             This is mostly a post-IETF poll to see if others saw
>>>             similar issues.  Wifi on my laptop (Mac) worked fine
>>>             throughout the conference.  My iphone on the other hand,
>>>             seemed to have all sorts of issues with the wifi:
>>>             - "ietf" would connect most of the time, but not always
>>>             give me an address.  Occasionally I'd get ipv6 dns address.
>>>             - "ietf-hotel" would connect most regularly, especially in
>>>             my room but connectivity to the outside world was flakey
>>>             at best.
>>>             - The ietf-a, and all .1x networks simply gave up
>>>             immediately and fell back to the other config.
>>>
>>>             Mostly I solved my issues by disabling the wifi and
>>>             falling back to Rogers.
>>>
>>>             Did anyone else see similar issues?
>>>
>>>             In the future, what sort of troubleshooting is good for
>>>             diagnosing the root cause of such problems?
>>>
>>>             -- Jeff
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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Hi Bill,

> On 27. 7. 2014, at 13:31, William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca> wro=
te:
> Chris,
>=20
> Given the rather strong connection between the senior management at the
> IETF and the senior management at Google, I am wondering if a way could
> be found to "advise" Google (and some of the other location services) as
> to where 31.133.x.y is going to be next.  Google's location service
> thought that I was in London; another IP lookup service that I accessed
> thought that we were in Atlanta.
>=20
>  Bill

this problem isn't new. I remember it at least back to forst IETF meeting in=
 Prague. NOC team and other folks were trying to find any way how to tell Ge=
oIP providers where is the prefix located.=20

No success by now I think. They simply aren't interested as their users are n=
ot complaining to them.

I do not want to raise one of GeoIP providers, they acted more less same way=
. Any good advice is welcome.

Michal=


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Yes, great work by the VeriLAN crew and a good thread.  Probably all of us
are aware of the phenomenon where smooth-functioning systems become
invisible and/or unappreciated.  Not the case here!

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> +1!!
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, great work by the VeriLAN crew and a good thread. =C2=
=A0Probably all of us are aware of the phenomenon where smooth-functioning =
systems become invisible and/or unappreciated. =C2=A0Not the case here!<div=
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<div style>Walter</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Walter Pienciak</div><div>Senior Manager, Technol=
ogy Community, IEEE Standards Association</div><div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"mailto:w.pienciak@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">w.pienciak@ieee.org</a></=
div>

<div>+1 303 527 0934</div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Susan H=
ares <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">shares@ndzh.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">+1!!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">

<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 90attendees [mailto:<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:90attendees-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">90attendees-bo=
unces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo<br=
>

<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 25, 2014 7:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Randy Bush<br><b>C=
c:</b> attendees<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [90attendees] ietf90 network<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1!<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">---<br>Sent from Boxer | <a href=3D"http://d.getboxe=
r.com/1dmRL48" target=3D"_blank">http://getboxer.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><=
div><div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On July 25, 2014 at 6:25:03 PM EDT, Randy Bush &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:randy@psg.com" target=3D"_blank">randy@psg.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">verilan &amp; volu=
nteers - so long and thanks for all the packets, for not<br>

dropping them, and for getting them where they wanted to go. pro job.<br><b=
r>randy<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>90attende=
es mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:90attendees@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">90attendees@ietf.org</a><br>

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ank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/90attendees</a><u></u><u></u></p=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>____________________________=
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