From nobody Tue Oct 14 18:46:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF3A1A010C; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1-rCC9hl6c63; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.81.0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDFD71A010E; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDG0060FQ9JCA30@st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 01:46:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-15_01:2014-10-14,2014-10-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=46 spamscore=46 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410150013 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: 91attendees@ietf.org, The IETF Message-id: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/w_dVglUErEj_ZOoAiGyv-AULRYM Cc: nerds@ietf.org Subject: [91attendees] Nerds in Paradise: Special Commemorative T-shirt X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: nerds@ietf.org List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 01:46:37 -0000 Dear IETF 91 Attendee, Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there were any official T-shirts for attendees. A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to those who had signed up for it. This is what the shirt looked like: http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to the Open Internet Endowment: http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014.* Available sizes are: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. No mail orders available, sorry. Bob Hinden Joel A. Jaeggli Ole J. Jacobsen * Correspondence about NTP and the accuracy of timestamps will not be entered into :-) From nobody Wed Oct 15 13:28:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5181ACCE6 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZ-ia7Z4BfrV for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C7591A8935 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF832002D for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id E546763B40; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A6663B3F for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 91attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20141015193258.16129.31538.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20141015193258.16129.31538.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/SNzypX6E_ZBMzlJbLDEi1AmTyrI Subject: Re: [91attendees] IETF 91 - Social Tickets Now Available! X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:28:35 -0000 IETF Secretariat wrote: > tickets, limited to two per attendee Cost: Tickets are $50 for the > first ticket, and $100 for an additional ticket. Ticket price does not So, $50 for one, and $150 for two tickets, if I'm reading correctly. From nobody Fri Oct 17 18:33:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7334B1A016D; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EeM_4zD442kE; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.81.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9824C1A0075; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDM00IBZ9MUXH60@st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com>; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:32:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-18_01:2014-10-17,2014-10-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=4 spamscore=4 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410180013 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: The IETF , 91attendees@ietf.org, IAB , The IESG , IAOC@ietf.org Message-id: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/f9wbh6KlG3xy1FPORMq4VXCCyz0 Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" Subject: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "nerds@ietf.org" List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:32:59 -0000 **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! Dear IETF 91 Attendee, Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there were any official T-shirts for attendees. A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to those who had signed up for it. This is what the shirt looked like: http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to the Open Internet Endowment: http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. See you in Honolulu! Bob Hinden Joel A. Jaeggli Ole J. Jacobsen From nobody Fri Oct 17 18:55:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965871A00A7; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xllGpxXoNE_z; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00176a04.pphosted.com (mx0b-00176a04.pphosted.com [67.231.157.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BA371A008F; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0048207.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0048207.ppops.net-00176a04. (8.14.7/8.14.7) with SMTP id s9I1t9n2045628; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:55:47 -0400 Received: from usaoamgip002.mail.tfayd.com ([173.213.212.136]) by m0048207.ppops.net-00176a04. with ESMTP id 1q3dcmghe8-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:55:47 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO USUSHECWP003.mail.tfayd.com) ([3.156.41.21]) by usaoamgip002.mail.tfayd.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 17 Oct 2014 21:51:03 -0400 Received: from USUSHEMWP013.mail.tfayd.com ([169.254.3.77]) by usushecwp003.mail.tfayd.com ([3.156.41.21]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:55:44 -0700 From: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" To: "nerds@ietf.org" , "olejacobsen@me.com" Thread-Topic: *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP6nN9mDVzCcuybUOz7NxgkD2PdJw1GFmm Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:55:43 +0000 Message-ID: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-exclaimer-md-config: 47edc00f-f2d6-45ef-be83-8a353bd47e45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52, 1.0.28, 0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-18_01:2014-10-17,2014-10-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410180017 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/EKgkN9imF0pYuWIyI-khsEc1tTM Cc: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:55:50 -0000 Hi Ole, What color will the shirt be? Glenn -------- Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos > On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 >=20 > **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the=20 > originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered > and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >=20 > **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >=20 > Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >=20 > Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was=20 > long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there=20 > were any official T-shirts for attendees. >=20 > A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun=20 > to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was=20 > designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first=20 > IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to=20 > those who had signed up for it. >=20 > This is what the shirt looked like:=20 >=20 > http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >=20 > To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a=20 > Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original=20 > design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset=20 > the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many=20 > shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to=20 > the Open Internet Endowment: >=20 > http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >=20 > If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many=20 > you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: > Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 >=20 > Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in > CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute > the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9.=20 >=20 > Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee > to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. >=20 > See you in Honolulu! >=20 > Bob Hinden > Joel A. Jaeggli > Ole J. Jacobsen >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Oct 17 19:02:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D8E1A008F; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTIpY2MDLBqr; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.81.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6BA21A0008; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDM00KRRAZU2T70@st11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com>; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:02:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-18_01:2014-10-17,2014-10-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410180018 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" In-reply-to: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> Message-id: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/9m0AZ2mopb00oB9P73E20cBSTO0 Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , "olejacobsen@me.com" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:02:26 -0000 As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org Skype: organdemo On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > Hi Ole, > > What color will the shirt be? > > Glenn > -------- > Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos > > > On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > > > > > **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the > > originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered > > and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. > > > > **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! > > > > Dear IETF 91 Attendee, > > > > Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was > > long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there > > were any official T-shirts for attendees. > > > > A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun > > to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was > > designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first > > IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to > > those who had signed up for it. > > > > This is what the shirt looked like: > > > > http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg > > > > To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a > > Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original > > design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset > > the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many > > shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to > > the Open Internet Endowment: > > > > http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 > > > > If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many > > you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: > > Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. > > > > Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in > > CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute > > the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. > > > > Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee > > to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. > > > > See you in Honolulu! > > > > Bob Hinden > > Joel A. Jaeggli > > Ole J. Jacobsen > > > > > From nobody Fri Oct 17 19:05:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45551A00FF; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZsa0oCeJe6W; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0098.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07B221A0075; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CY1PR0701MB1082.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.160.145.154) by CY1PR0701MB1083.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.160.145.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1054.13; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:04:57 +0000 Received: from CY1PR0701MB1082.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.145.154]) by CY1PR0701MB1082.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.145.154]) with mapi id 15.00.1054.004; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:04:57 +0000 From: "Bradner, Scott" To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP6nN9mDVzCcuybUOz7NxgkD2PdJw1GFmmgAACi4A= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:04:57 +0000 Message-ID: <15A4D31C-237F-4596-BA7B-79D672903FAB@harvard.edu> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> In-Reply-To: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [136.248.127.162] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR0701MB1083; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-forefront-prvs: 0368E78B5B x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(11905935001)(377454003)(51704005)(24454002)(189002)(12213003)(199003)(86362001)(95666004)(77096002)(92726001)(92566001)(4396001)(99286002)(106116001)(106356001)(87936001)(2656002)(83716003)(85852003)(19580395003)(19580405001)(15202345003)(2351001)(107046002)(105586002)(82746002)(33656002)(89122001)(110136001)(15975445006)(76482002)(31966008)(122556002)(120916001)(40100003)(99396003)(54356999)(76176999)(75432002)(50986999)(85306004)(21056001)(97736003)(90282001)(2501002)(101416001)(80022003)(46102003)(88552001)(66066001)(20776003)(64706001)(36756003)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0701MB1083; H:CY1PR0701MB1082.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: harvard.edu Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/7exZC2koEiZTA21urlbKncoOidY Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:05:07 -0000 http://www.blkk.com/photos/random_pix/t-shirts/nerds_in_paradise.html On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:55 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > Hi Ole, >=20 > What color will the shirt be? >=20 > Glenn > -------- > Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >=20 >> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the=20 >> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered >> and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>=20 >> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >>=20 >> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>=20 >> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was=20 >> long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there=20 >> were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>=20 >> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun=20 >> to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was=20 >> designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first=20 >> IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to=20 >> those who had signed up for it. >>=20 >> This is what the shirt looked like:=20 >>=20 >> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>=20 >> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a=20 >> Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original=20 >> design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset=20 >> the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many=20 >> shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to=20 >> the Open Internet Endowment: >>=20 >> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>=20 >> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many=20 >> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 >>=20 >> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in >> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute >> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9.=20 >>=20 >> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee >> to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. >>=20 >> See you in Honolulu! >>=20 >> Bob Hinden >> Joel A. Jaeggli >> Ole J. Jacobsen >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:01:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E6D1A8767; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6E0oTwV3VXtA; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zm-out-01.forthnet.gr (zm-out-01.forthnet.gr [194.219.0.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9DE1A891F; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv (zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv [10.24.31.15]) by zm-out-01.forthnet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93569121C10; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA8911FE9A; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id lIzAMpPi9V0y; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AD011FE93; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:46 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv 59AD011FE93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=forthnet.gr; s=zm; t=1413815746; bh=MY8AWtj+YWZN+mZX09iG8tQuPSRCMClGn28kU+sfw/E=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rGvaZsgYSNx0tqYBLXH8xUIiC1yuNxRq653GYNZKzOUuPhr2dYMEw0ZyW3KXuOSEp NgD0f6sC28H0yooFMjMq2MN6XI8aS0F5O99cuEw2vlLtkBw8X5OYeWSKJKFYYiKS8w DYYniTGZrjOQ0bSoYExEIJkD46iPChQzv6NvkjKY= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv Received: from zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id JbA65QetwZwH; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:2149:8600:7800:d5ab:e94b:c8ab:4cb3] (res-2a02-2149-8600-7800-d5ab-e94b-c8ab-4cb3.dyn6.forthnet.gr [IPv6:2a02:2149:8600:7800:d5ab:e94b:c8ab:4cb3]) by zm-in-01.cloud.forthnet.prv (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0EEDA11FE8B; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:46 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:44 +0300 From: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Jacobsen References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/NAOV2dk4d631Q9TSyvh0wiKwCos Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:01:15 -0000 Aren't there any other color options? I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more women attending the events. =-O -- Tassos Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: > As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher > The Internet Protocol Journal > Office: +1 415-550-9433 > Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > Web: protocoljournal.org > E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org > Skype: organdemo > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > >> Hi Ole, >> >> What color will the shirt be? >> >> Glenn >> -------- >> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >> >>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>> >>> >>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the >>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered >>> and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>> >>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >>> >>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>> >>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was >>> long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there >>> were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>> >>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be fun >>> to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was >>> designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first >>> IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed to >>> those who had signed up for it. >>> >>> This is what the shirt looked like: >>> >>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>> >>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a >>> Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original >>> design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset >>> the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many >>> shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to >>> the Open Internet Endowment: >>> >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>> >>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many >>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. >>> >>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in >>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute >>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. >>> >>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee >>> to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. >>> >>> See you in Honolulu! >>> >>> Bob Hinden >>> Joel A. Jaeggli >>> Ole J. Jacobsen >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:20:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F4F1A1AE4; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qM19krpiuZcZ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3350A1A899D; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f791c6d00000617b-59-54452564b11d Received: from ESESSHC019.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D4.6B.24955.46525445; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:08:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.163]) by ESESSHC019.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:08:19 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou , Ole Jacobsen Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP7Ha7AihF8yvlU0SAZp0FH4l6kZw5Fljg Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:08:19 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> In-Reply-To: <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvjW6KqmuIweFX0haNZ3awWcye/oDd 4mrvXlaL+fsOsDiweKza947RY8mSn0weL85XBDBHcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGW0tq5hL+iTqdj6 8TZzA+NrsS5GDg4JAROJNx1KXYycQKaYxIV769m6GLk4hASOMkq8/9rPCJIQEljCKHH0pjpI PZuAhUT3P22QsIhAqMS0Of+ZQGxmgTCJN5+egpULA8W3n+xmgqgJk/g4EyTOAWQbSSzcGwIS ZhFQlZj6ZTIziM0r4CuxZPFHVoi1LUwSPcuXsoMkOAW0JT69fsUCYjMC3fb91BqoXeISt57M Z4K4WUBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/9YIWwliRXbLzFC1OtILNj9iQ3C1pZYtvA11GJBiZMzn7BMYBSb hWTsLCQts5C0zELSsoCRZRWjaHFqcVJuupGxXmpRZnJxcX6eXl5qySZGYFwd3PJbdQfj5TeO hxgFOBiVeHgX5LiECLEmlhVX5h5ilOZgURLnXXhuXrCQQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOavEhRiYO TqkGRsdznycW3ZOKcz6+88CPXIVtr3NTNd9d+e2o9PGc32HD7Sprr0wrMLNvFFY+Yeht8S+g wGUBw5NN+/5FVG38LzaZR2n2L7k5XK7psRLMt40fHY2Ky/nU5KByVyXuZpPtxhv5D+6sfVB9 K2bvV74NmjzRNbZV04/MY19Rf2NS6Q4p5jN5djsFrZRYijMSDbWYi4oTAZvIPwmMAgAA Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/-AJvtOpaAX7yaKZjhTBh02wljJk Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:20:15 -0000 Real men wear pink. -----Original Message----- From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tassos= Chatzithomaoglou Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36 To: Ole Jacobsen Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-sh= irts *** Aren't there any other color options? I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more wome= n attending the events. =3D-O -- Tassos Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: > As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher > The Internet Protocol Journal > Office: +1 415-550-9433 > Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > Web: protocoljournal.org > E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org > Skype: organdemo > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > >> Hi Ole, >> >> What color will the shirt be? >> >> Glenn >> -------- >> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >> >>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>> >>> >>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the=20 >>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered and=20 >>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>> >>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >>> >>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>> >>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This=20 >>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before=20 >>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>> >>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be=20 >>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint=20 >>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the=20 >>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and=20 >>> distributed to those who had signed up for it. >>> >>> This is what the shirt looked like:=20 >>> >>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>> >>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce=20 >>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the=20 >>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced=20 >>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on=20 >>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate=20 >>> them to the Open Internet Endowment: >>> >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>> >>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many=20 >>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 >>> >>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in=20 >>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute=20 >>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. >>> >>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91=20 >>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in pe= rson. >>> >>> See you in Honolulu! >>> >>> Bob Hinden >>> Joel A. Jaeggli >>> Ole J. 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> I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more women attending the events. =-O Maybe you're just spoiled by general expectations of colour / gender in society. -dominik From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:28:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FDC1A0248 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eex-A-NZNVqh for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EE91A0267 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id gi9so4141069lab.19 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2Vy2sWK/tnXxzIL3fQg0CZ8+hlDR+cSrCGke/AGYXq8=; b=gkekg0Xo0HVV/Zl7GRXI2+WuakGoXAeiVqWNS6TxA97dpBQTeDM78wlR7jEs7UPJXe +DrXTI2eWWPKFuoWr7dhj+2kkQ8J6hga6fxJj3A+w6ohqCUQLiKq8qbXhgSFYOPOY3Na vIU26u8gLp1MAGJ0SfQKqSESyHVU6RCefSO54C8sRhvkRcW7MVOfEzkAL7BA/qMCjoCA i4IYLLTN6+1gD7pi2wZ8xJcgIkkJIyydXJKpk9CtMqrR2JO8lkp/dmAP52byjp8Vo5Gq Hs+gLRmd16mh/Xik9dWJFrnZaBSlcX3AQI+KG769CH9NAx7HT51X6HvkjqxayqC1spAH Gf+A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnOIlW/wa85ePuoPN1vy4AP07Bf84DwZXjW71KBZcciJn31PohYiJHgEuNQsxbjuRjLKMvu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.118.78 with SMTP id kk14mr9854583lbb.83.1413818484327; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.144.206 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.144.206 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Colin Doyle To: Christer Holmberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfd04ae891d250505dc4467 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/a9nctTo_kh48MFjI7Q-fjgsXH6k Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:28:32 -0000 --047d7bfd04ae891d250505dc4467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Heck, they even pull it off. -- Colin Doyle Networking Fellow Verilan, Inc. 7327 SW Barnes Rd. #215 Portland, OR 97225 +1 503.810.2129 [mobile] cdoyle@verilan.com [email] cdoyle.verilan [skype] www.verilan.com [website] On Oct 20, 2014 8:20 AM, "Christer Holmberg" wrote: > Real men wear pink. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36 > To: Ole Jacobsen > Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" > T-shirts *** > > Aren't there any other color options? > I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more > women attending the events. =-O > > -- > Tassos > > Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: > > As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. > > > > Ole > > > > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > > Editor and Publisher > > The Internet Protocol Journal > > Office: +1 415-550-9433 > > Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > > Web: protocoljournal.org > > E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > > E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org > > Skype: organdemo > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > > > >> Hi Ole, > >> > >> What color will the shirt be? > >> > >> Glenn > >> -------- > >> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos > >> > >>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the > >>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered and > >>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details. > >>> > >>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! > >>> > >>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, > >>> > >>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This > >>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before > >>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees. > >>> > >>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be > >>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint > >>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the > >>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and > >>> distributed to those who had signed up for it. > >>> > >>> This is what the shirt looked like: > >>> > >>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg > >>> > >>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce > >>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the > >>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced > >>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on > >>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate > >>> them to the Open Internet Endowment: > >>> > >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 > >>> > >>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many > >>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: > >>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. > >>> > >>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in > >>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute > >>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. > >>> > >>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 > >>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in > person. > >>> > >>> See you in Honolulu! > >>> > >>> Bob Hinden > >>> Joel A. Jaeggli > >>> Ole J. Jacobsen > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > 91attendees mailing list > > 91attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > --047d7bfd04ae891d250505dc4467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Heck, they even pull it off.

--

Colin Doyle
Networking Fellow
Verilan, Inc.
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Portland, OR 97225

+1 503.810.2129 [mobile]
cdoyle@verilan.com [email]
cdoyle.verilan [skype]
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On Oct 20, 2014 8:20 AM, "Christer Holmberg= " <christer.holmb= erg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Real men wear pink.

-----Original Message-----
From: 91attendees [mailto:9= 1attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36
To: Ole Jacobsen
Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise&= quot; T-shirts ***

Aren't there any other color options?
I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more = women attending the events. =3D-O

--
Tassos

Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02:
> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink.
>
> Ole
>
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher
> The Internet Protocol Journal
> Office: +1 = 415-550-9433
> Cell:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1 415-370-4628
> Web: protocol= journal.org
> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > E-mail: ole@protocoljournal= .org
> Skype: organdemo
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote:
>
>> Hi Ole,
>>
>> What color will the shirt be?
>>
>> Glenn
>> --------
>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos
>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well = as the
>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already order= ed and
>>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details.<= br> >>>
>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order= today!
>>>
>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee,
>>>
>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. T= his
>>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long b= efore
>>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees.
>>>
>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it woul= d be
>>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradis= e" imprint
>>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, = the
>>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and<= br> >>> distributed to those who had signed up for it.
>>>
>>> This is what the shirt looked like:
>>>
>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg
>>>
>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to pr= oduce
>>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the=
>>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, p= riced
>>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will dep= end on
>>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will = donate
>>> them to the Open Internet Endowment:
>>>
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/o= pen-internet-endowment-0
>>>
>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how= many
>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes = are:
>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.
>>>
>>> Send your order to: nerds@ie= tf.org. You will be required to pay in
>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to dist= ribute
>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9.
>>>
>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 >>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to att= end in person.
>>>
>>> See you in Honolulu!
>>>
>>> Bob Hinden
>>> Joel A. Jaeggli
>>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>>>
>>>
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> 91attendees@ietf.org
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--047d7bfd04ae891d250505dc4467-- From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:32:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF4D1A1ADC; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q--WR1h2_IlZ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E76791A1B28; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id h11so7332771wiw.17 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1FBLfMYGuB0ALCG2l5X15KAe90wgiV14iroqa39hRG8=; b=Jej0LUagNHhgFEmU0bE3Rmj+ah52HBdKidYNi/e9R+hw3ptEuL4B977rHz4Lqit1N+ v0qwyIxBPZp3bZWuO3IJ3yq0IfWbjcrBtPBkzby2NxYWYM6zC5H9jDcBouzHbGT0r9QV RLYVTmjAmRk4HbRn6halekkFuAPsQrBdBFgyCYnXHdzUA5C7EsXL9cNaEiOoobY7mrBn QFsh+kwS9uSnhy5d0aMog4Ye6mt71C3z2OkU8CFxrqZPZO1DRJhC13EIH26IM4MhgJoE iwHn5kPnVFNolhSutC9Obv2ohDshkXQO5UPWPNyxzrHZ/OQXGIPUAKo5LIEbJP3UvrXq cyRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.5.227 with SMTP id v3mr33565362wjv.63.1413818892596; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.84.97 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:28:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Stephen Botzko To: Christer Holmberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d3e68debd630505dc5cb2 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/fFzaMbueOQigUHxRdbjW7hYCISk Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:32:35 -0000 --047d7b5d3e68debd630505dc5cb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>Real men wear pink. and 8% of us are color blind anyway, and can't tell for sure... On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Real men wear pink. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36 > To: Ole Jacobsen > Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" > T-shirts *** > > Aren't there any other color options? > I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more > women attending the events. =-O > > -- > Tassos > > Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: > > As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. > > > > Ole > > > > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > > Editor and Publisher > > The Internet Protocol Journal > > Office: +1 415-550-9433 > > Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > > Web: protocoljournal.org > > E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > > E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org > > Skype: organdemo > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > > > >> Hi Ole, > >> > >> What color will the shirt be? > >> > >> Glenn > >> -------- > >> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos > >> > >>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the > >>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered and > >>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details. > >>> > >>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! > >>> > >>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, > >>> > >>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This > >>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before > >>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees. > >>> > >>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be > >>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint > >>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the > >>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and > >>> distributed to those who had signed up for it. > >>> > >>> This is what the shirt looked like: > >>> > >>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg > >>> > >>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce > >>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the > >>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced > >>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on > >>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate > >>> them to the Open Internet Endowment: > >>> > >>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 > >>> > >>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many > >>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: > >>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. > >>> > >>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in > >>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute > >>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. > >>> > >>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 > >>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in > person. > >>> > >>> See you in Honolulu! > >>> > >>> Bob Hinden > >>> Joel A. Jaeggli > >>> Ole J. Jacobsen > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > 91attendees mailing list > > 91attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > --047d7b5d3e68debd630505dc5cb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>Real men wear pink.
and 8% of us are color= blind anyway, and can't tell for sure...


On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM= , Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Real men wear pink.

-----Original Message-----
From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tassos Chat= zithomaoglou
Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36
To: Ole Jacobsen
Cc: nerds@ietf.org;= 91attendees@ietf= .org
Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise&= quot; T-shirts ***

Aren't there any other color options?
I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more = women attending the events. =3D-O

--
Tassos

Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02:
> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink.
>
> Ole
>
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher
> The Internet Protocol Journal
> Office: +1 415-550-9433
> Cell:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1 415-370-4628
> Web: protocol= journal.org
> E-mail: olejac= obsen@me.com
> E-mail: o= le@protocoljournal.org
> Skype: organdemo
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote:
>
>> Hi Ole,
>>
>> What color will the shirt be?
>>
>> Glenn
>> --------
>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos
>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote: >>>
>>>
>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well = as the
>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already order= ed and
>>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details.<= br> >>>
>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order= today!
>>>
>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee,
>>>
>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. T= his
>>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long b= efore
>>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees.
>>>
>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it woul= d be
>>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradis= e" imprint
>>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, = the
>>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and<= br> >>> distributed to those who had signed up for it.
>>>
>>> This is what the shirt looked like:
>>>
>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg
>>>
>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to pr= oduce
>>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the=
>>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, p= riced
>>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will dep= end on
>>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will = donate
>>> them to the Open Internet Endowment:
>>>
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/o= pen-internet-endowment-0
>>>
>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how= many
>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes = are:
>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.
>>>
>>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in
>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to dist= ribute
>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9.
>>>
>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 >>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to att= end in person.
>>>
>>> See you in Honolulu!
>>>
>>> Bob Hinden
>>> Joel A. Jaeggli
>>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>>>
>>>
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> 91attendees mailing list
> 91attendees@= ietf.org
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Dominik Bay <db@rrbone.net> wrote:
On 10/20/2014 0= 4:35 PM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:
> Aren't there any other color options?
> I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were = more women attending the events. =3D-O

Maybe you're just spoiled by general expectations of colour / ge= nder in
society.

-dominik
Maybe a return to pink will inc= rease the percentage of women attending the IETF </sarcasm>.=C2=A0 Le= t's not worry about color so much.=C2=A0 At the Grace Hopper Celebratio= n, women were not happy about the abundance of pink... you can't win.

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Bob On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Christer Holmberg = wrote: > Real men wear pink. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36 > To: Ole Jacobsen > Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" = T-shirts *** >=20 > Aren't there any other color options? > I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more = women attending the events. =3D-O >=20 > -- > Tassos >=20 > Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: >> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. >>=20 >> Ole >>=20 >>=20 >> Ole J. Jacobsen >> Editor and Publisher >> The Internet Protocol Journal >> Office: +1 415-550-9433 >> Cell: +1 415-370-4628 >> Web: protocoljournal.org >> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com >> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org >> Skype: organdemo >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Ole, >>>=20 >>> What color will the shirt be? >>>=20 >>> Glenn >>> -------- >>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >>>=20 >>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the=20 >>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered = and=20 >>>> would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>>>=20 >>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order = today! >>>>=20 >>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>>>=20 >>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This=20= >>>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before=20= >>>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>>>=20 >>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be=20= >>>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint=20= >>>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the=20= >>>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and=20 >>>> distributed to those who had signed up for it. >>>>=20 >>>> This is what the shirt looked like:=20 >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>>>=20 >>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce=20= >>>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the=20 >>>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced=20= >>>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend = on=20 >>>> how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will = donate=20 >>>> them to the Open Internet Endowment: >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>>>=20 >>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many=20= >>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in=20= >>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to = distribute=20 >>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. >>>>=20 >>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91=20 >>>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend = in person. >>>>=20 >>>> See you in Honolulu! >>>>=20 >>>> Bob Hinden >>>> Joel A. Jaeggli >>>> Ole J. Jacobsen >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Nerds mailing list > Nerds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nerds --Apple-Mail=_7891D106-0571-4485-BC2E-5153E17D1AF4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJURSvGAAoJEK7rdBF357uowE8H/1+Ewk42QggInUKqf+Pne7eP +juETj+8fksnTth9lOAE/EoWT1GzTWxzNLK06lkceVGqetG/6hQmjK99GjNw5ZM9 UH5/2snxHwc4i9DjeSvR2H5OZD0cgTvnf27zhPsVLFWf7Crp6K5tTe0NVVHZ7XL5 rX43bsJow+cxSgtnf3kjrt1VEJprIuCg47wUdBBrTQtlu6e9T3S31Fnt1i6z6tZN zycr3NCoNVqwDilQlRIgZEZ3Uu2ouzDllAuyQzp6+iYgzFwXW3mD78c2NVrl0TgZ f/KSSk/jMa2DrZd5HDBD43g+PH6OqMvYCJe4aJivjbD7/stSds5lXIZG9O3aDVQ= =j1L1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_7891D106-0571-4485-BC2E-5153E17D1AF4-- From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:39:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6261A1AFD for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Zs9Sx9tfQO8 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rrbone.net (mail.rrbone.net [IPv6:2a01:a700:4821::1:2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CBEE1A1B23 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calgary.rrbone.net ([31.172.25.65]:58369) by mail.rrbone.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XgF1V-00051b-3o for 91attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:37:29 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calgary.rrbone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04519C64F18 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:37:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rrbone.net Received: from calgary.rrbone.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (calgary.rrbone.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p-PwihkJN3e7 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:a700:4aff:2::1:0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:a700:4aff:2::1:0]) by calgary.rrbone.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27D2DC64F09 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:37:27 +0200 From: Dominik Bay User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/xRT1qHcNSA2gMjbOD-k9rc6QzAY Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:39:17 -0000 On 10/20/2014 05:32 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Maybe a return to pink will increase the percentage of women attending > the IETF . Let's not worry about color so much. At the Grace > Hopper Celebration, women were not happy about the abundance of pink... > you can't win. Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another black version. From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:48:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C8C1A1AE4 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id njsCM2KfUvvk for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.81.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B7C11A01FA for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDR00HKE2HTE810@st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for 91attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:46:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-20_03:2014-10-20,2014-10-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410200149 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Dominik Bay In-reply-to: <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> Message-id: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/mBXg1p2-kUOv8AeJ_f9gTS05fmQ Cc: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:48:15 -0000 On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another > black version. > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no "agreement", "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for appeal. So there. Ole From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:55:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D41A1B19; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xed0tvbd2bJl; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 371051A0390; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79596d000001123-b6-54453036eed4 Received: from ESESSHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 4B.A2.04387.63035445; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:54:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.163]) by ESESSHC002.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.24]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:54:30 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Bob Hinden Thread-Topic: [Nerds] [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP7Ha7AihF8yvlU0SAZp0FH4l6kZw5Hh2ygAAFGTA= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:54:29 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B72B1@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1D4B713B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <5075773F-DEC3-4AF4-881A-C0A80A8A4F57@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5075773F-DEC3-4AF4-881A-C0A80A8A4F57@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmplkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGfG3RtfMwDXE4OZ3dYvGMzvYLGZPf8Bu sfX9PjaLq717WS3m7zvA4sDqsWrfO0aPnbPusnssWfKTyePF+YoAligum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSu jHvLTjMWfFaqmPSdu4HxukwXIyeHhICJxPLPjWwQtpjEhXvrgWwuDiGBo4wSUy/cZoFwljBK HFs8m7mLkYODTcBCovufNkiDiICqxPL+fnaQGmaBlYwS98++YARJCAvESrxtv8cEURQn8eDj TFYI20riSstWsDgLUPOnx1dYQGxeAV+JCXP7wWwhgd9MEv0no0BsTgFbic7bp8CuYwS67vup NWC9zALiEreezGeCuFpAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WCFsJYkV2y8xQtTrSCzY/YkNwtaWWLbwNTPE XkGJkzOfsExgFJuFZOwsJC2zkLTMQtKygJFlFaNocWpxcW66kZFealFmcnFxfp5eXmrJJkZg vB3c8ttqB+PB546HGAU4GJV4eBfkuIQIsSaWFVfmHmKU5mBREuddeG5esJBAemJJanZqakFq UXxRaU5q8SFGJg5OqQbG9e+bt617r7ZQ2FHjscm07Is/bYw0Zi/8VXA26MdqN5an6koPq94a q97Ybf322oZ9Zp+uxS+8c3buw8CVeU3TXe9wBx9c7yT3hDe49/cruXv1pyfzhIs+WnpNb9tp Ub1n+2Zw2EZPjTTk2OvXVHCYceFXtzc7v+i464bzTpsz6at1i+LE+LyLj5RYijMSDbWYi4oT AUH7NueYAgAA Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/8x-9UFSM6f69LjHYzjtSfXnYZ7Q Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] [Nerds] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:54:54 -0000 There is a slogan for the IETF#92 t-shirt ;) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 20 October 2014 18:36 To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Bob Hinden; Tassos Chatzithomaoglou; Ole Jacobsen; nerds@ietf.org; 91at= tendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Nerds] [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradi= se" T-shirts *** Real Nerds wear pink! Bob On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Real men wear pink. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Tassos Chatzithomaoglou > Sent: 20 October 2014 17:36 > To: Ole Jacobsen > Cc: nerds@ietf.org; 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"=20 > T-shirts *** >=20 > Aren't there any other color options? > I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more=20 > women attending the events. =3D-O >=20 > -- > Tassos >=20 > Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: >> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. >>=20 >> Ole >>=20 >>=20 >> Ole J. Jacobsen >> Editor and Publisher >> The Internet Protocol Journal >> Office: +1 415-550-9433 >> Cell: +1 415-370-4628 >> Web: protocoljournal.org >> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com >> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org >> Skype: organdemo >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Ole, >>>=20 >>> What color will the shirt be? >>>=20 >>> Glenn >>> -------- >>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >>>=20 >>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the=20 >>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered=20 >>>> and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>>>=20 >>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >>>>=20 >>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>>>=20 >>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This=20 >>>> was long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before=20 >>>> there were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>>>=20 >>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be=20 >>>> fun to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint=20 >>>> was designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the=20 >>>> first IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and=20 >>>> distributed to those who had signed up for it. >>>>=20 >>>> This is what the shirt looked like:=20 >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>>>=20 >>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce=20 >>>> a Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the=20 >>>> original design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced=20 >>>> to offset the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend=20 >>>> on how many shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will=20 >>>> donate them to the Open Internet Endowment: >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>>>=20 >>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many=20 >>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in=20 >>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to=20 >>>> distribute the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. >>>>=20 >>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91=20 >>>> attendee to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in p= erson. >>>>=20 >>>> See you in Honolulu! >>>>=20 >>>> Bob Hinden >>>> Joel A. Jaeggli >>>> Ole J. Jacobsen >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Nerds mailing list > Nerds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nerds From nobody Mon Oct 20 08:58:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB6E1A1AF8; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mOhhTYrIkGMQ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpatc-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456051A040C; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.66]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 23973BF0BC89A; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:57:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.12]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s9KFvEbl028171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:57:15 -0400 Received: from umail.lucent.com (umail.ndc.lucent.com [135.3.40.61]) by usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id s9KFvERm001029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:57:14 -0500 Received: from [135.222.152.71] (wdr-i7mbp2.mh.lucent.com [135.222.152.71]) by umail.lucent.com (8.13.8/TPES) with ESMTP id s9KFvAmk027683; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:57:11 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:57:16 -0400 From: Wendy Roome To: Tassos Chatzithomaoglou , Ole Jacobsen Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> In-Reply-To: <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.12 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/kM7KDGp1n_qoxhtLU1f-Yc4Ym0k Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:58:32 -0000 I wasn't involved with IETF back then, but I doubt there were more women then than now. The original post said the shirts were printed locally. Most likely, that was the cheapest color the print shop had in stock. Also, I suspect pink tourist tee shirts are more common in Hawaii than in (say) North Dakota. But guys, think about it. Yes, there are women who insist on wearing pink. But most of them would jump headfirst into a volcano before wearing a "nerd" tee shirt. And those of us who would gladly proclaim our nerdhood to the world generally don't have a hangup about wearing pink. If anything, for me, pink is a turnoff. If the IETF wants to cater to women, offer tee shirts in women's sizes, blast it!! In other words, fitted! I don't particularly care about the color. But I do want something that doesn=B9t hang on me like a shapeless baggy sack! Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Thanks for letting me rant! :-) - Wendy Roome On 10/20/2014, 10:35, "Tassos Chatzithomaoglou" wrote: >Aren't there any other color options? >I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more >women attending the events. =3D-O > >-- >Tassos > >Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: >> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. >> >> Ole >> >> >> Ole J. Jacobsen >> Editor and Publisher >> The Internet Protocol Journal >> Office: +1 415-550-9433 >> Cell: +1 415-370-4628 >> Web: protocoljournal.org >> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com >> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org >> Skype: organdemo >> >> >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: >> >>> Hi Ole, >>> >>> What color will the shirt be? >>> >>> Glenn >>> -------- >>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos >>> >>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the >>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered >>>> and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. >>>> >>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today! >>>> >>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, >>>> >>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This was >>>> long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before there >>>> were any official T-shirts for attendees. >>>> >>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be >>>>fun=20 >>>> to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was >>>> designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first >>>> IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed >>>>to=20 >>>> those who had signed up for it. >>>> >>>> This is what the shirt looked like: >>>> >>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg >>>> >>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce a >>>> Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the original >>>> design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset >>>> the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many >>>> shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to >>>> the Open Internet Endowment: >>>> >>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 >>>> >>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many >>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: >>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. >>>> >>>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in >>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute >>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. >>>> >>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attendee >>>> to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. >>>> >>>> See you in Honolulu! >>>> >>>> Bob Hinden >>>> Joel A. Jaeggli >>>> Ole J. Jacobsen >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >> > >_______________________________________________ >91attendees mailing list >91attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 09:03:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494F31A1B85; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRs-_MeADVLM; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.172.81.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2EB1A1B92; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDR00HE838A8L40@st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:02:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-20_03:2014-10-20,2014-10-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410200152 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Wendy Roome In-reply-to: Message-id: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="140733193388032-2060290309-1413820957=:71248" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/qY5JzZA-GBb4K3d0JRqCLVMVs_g Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:03:38 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --140733193388032-2060290309-1413820957=:71248 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Wendy Roome wrote: > If the IETF wants to cater to women, offer tee shirts in women's sizes, > blast it!! In other words, fitted! I don't particularly care about the > color. But I do want something that doesn¹t hang on me like a shapeless > baggy sack! > > Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Thanks for letting me rant! :-) > > - Wendy Roome > Wendy, We (the group organizing this) are NOT the IETF, we are just 3 volunteers, but just to be clear Women's sizes ARE available for this particular shirt, size range from S to XXXL. Thanks, Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org Skype: organdemo --140733193388032-2060290309-1413820957=:71248-- From nobody Mon Oct 20 09:05:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277D01A1B04; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjMyjjMyXMDM; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x231.google.com (mail-la0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 749611A6EE8; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id q1so4168485lam.22 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=fbl9rN0OL6WaTIQ65KSXloBdWOAPYRvRKxYzZQAnn/U=; b=LGkgQePo6DfSe1Tyc1eKaKqf0Sg68V2eYtq2KQF1vXGpy7ga6HrhZUo4s+Hk30Ic+k YzV/pIqKIfy6KFQ2xbcp9GOVX52hExOu4Du0qAP5lmxsCfxy4GEzOWs8LFKkmQ1d2MDi 0v3OFhL6CST7P9sw6z+9Zr4I2qAMwujMCDwIZVyv/ENLIom7vjaVXWqou522zSgICGcB rzfiZhx7ETGoW85EHDNQADoV79JlkDqqKxykhBHB6dUwI6A4hTi3VWOJugy2/LIChSZ9 AE8fCEGZMcZ7MEmPf0YBUFz7FPGzqVF+nRNsgrw9HKYNreXTZoHMQyA9ribr/phNvkOF Z0Zg== X-Received: by 10.112.132.104 with SMTP id ot8mr28354681lbb.3.1413821029320; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:9:500:76b:8d58:6f7e:67b4:87cd? ([2601:9:500:76b:8d58:6f7e:67b4:87cd]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uh7sm3437966lac.1.2014.10.20.09.03.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E03ADE59-9778-4590-8B18-3505D4C8C67F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:03:42 -0700 Message-Id: <56CFA081-0CD4-42D2-89BD-D9EF02FB5C06@gmail.com> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> To: Wendy Roome X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/OHegYV-Mj2xvVIncmN2kfdJcxbQ Cc: Ole Jacobsen , "nerds@ietf.org" , Bob Hinden , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:05:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E03ADE59-9778-4590-8B18-3505D4C8C67F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wendy, On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Wendy Roome = wrote: >=20 > If the IETF wants to cater to women, offer tee shirts in women's = sizes, > blast it!! In other words, fitted! I don't particularly care about the > color. But I do want something that doesn=B9t hang on me like a = shapeless > baggy sack! Sorry to interrupt your rant, but we are offering them in women's = styles. Available sizes are: Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.=20 Please place your order ASAP. Bob --Apple-Mail=_E03ADE59-9778-4590-8B18-3505D4C8C67F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJURTJeAAoJEK7rdBF357uoFR8IALDi3ahhvPzeKz2YZZX1H7nW JOtWT3Aq+qF7HuIVr/GwDT/iJ0KdzUk+bLcbud1Zary08zjRiJ+1plv7SBDT9HFC jJx3o8C8sDVTk2+RSTvZ36qWeFP2hmS1Zu/FNHmUu7/cSeXoCFqAQN4l0AtTACLB jRMPvhuWFLpb+QUww/I/ZagLg7nzKtoD3d8IVHMcrdu/q357707+y37Yvj/DqtNA LPx6Z/0f6RVmw6J/4tiVMcdwb05BMO4Ik3PncTvpZmrkFStlOogEuy9I2WBmwA/X te+exi6aXDUKHf3CW1Yag0xYrVrzcvEd1B9h0mpr3n6JAv+XxYmwBnnZAzkC+Vc= =copt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_E03ADE59-9778-4590-8B18-3505D4C8C67F-- From nobody Mon Oct 20 09:06:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EB81A6F1E; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQIKuqLo1CbD; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x234.google.com (mail-yh0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740531A1AD8; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f10so3466265yha.11 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:04:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vwqR3rxH7+Wh22HBqhgQqXhlNA601QoBs2y3Hu+UR6s=; b=vNet0KaYx1TPozRHT46kJevbOxvfmlp91NRs9IWJGpEZy6H/oImhaqgktCtVBA9SH1 X50v7M34+dfUjkppAbLiuyUGbsadjoWIAlARC9FgdlQHMqDEwM3BoJLmBr/VgnrEamBZ /SG4NK6O9HkPo/xpnp93+ikOv0m+kXQ2CRSxlso63Us9DPbjmpSTVI5Ks1LhyrpR7y28 pq84TWOG8CWTpOmU7EYduF/LfiMJCAPezUm2i27lOy6ynLNQ3wGurxkxM02d4yQbB1v/ U+IPg34QsBCyxo2PXslIBXPbz9DCkjOAGGsx7VyfaI2Pv0lCCIa+lLsw0Vmt8KarI+/K FirA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.14.137 with SMTP id d9mr40287736yhd.16.1413821077844; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.113.132 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Wendy Roome Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a0c501ef9230505dcdfb4 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/VAeA34qXWvWO_FgFCv7ypi2qQc0 Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:06:05 -0000 --089e013a0c501ef9230505dcdfb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Women don't have to wear pink to identify their gender; nor do girls. Strangely enough, even men wearing pink are not misidentified (terror!) as women; boys who do and are misidentified can manage to survive undamaged. As for having women's sizes, I don't care about fitted but I do care about not having a design that tucks into my waist because of the assumption of an extra foot of height. Alia On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Wendy Roome wrote: > I wasn't involved with IETF back then, but I doubt there were more women > then than now. > > The original post said the shirts were printed locally. Most likely, that > was the cheapest color the print shop had in stock. Also, I suspect pink > tourist tee shirts are more common in Hawaii than in (say) North Dakota. > > But guys, think about it. Yes, there are women who insist on wearing pink= . > But most of them would jump headfirst into a volcano before wearing a > "nerd" tee shirt. And those of us who would gladly proclaim our nerdhood > to the world generally don't have a hangup about wearing pink. If > anything, for me, pink is a turnoff. > > If the IETF wants to cater to women, offer tee shirts in women's sizes, > blast it!! In other words, fitted! I don't particularly care about the > color. But I do want something that doesn=C2=B9t hang on me like a shapel= ess > baggy sack! > > Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Thanks for letting me rant! :-) > > - Wendy Roome > > > On 10/20/2014, 10:35, "Tassos Chatzithomaoglou" > wrote: > > >Aren't there any other color options? > >I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more > >women attending the events. =3D-O > > > >-- > >Tassos > > > >Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02: > >> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink. > >> > >> Ole > >> > >> > >> Ole J. Jacobsen > >> Editor and Publisher > >> The Internet Protocol Journal > >> Office: +1 415-550-9433 > >> Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > >> Web: protocoljournal.org > >> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com > >> E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org > >> Skype: organdemo > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Ole, > >>> > >>> What color will the shirt be? > >>> > >>> Glenn > >>> -------- > >>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos > >>> > >>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote= : > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as well as the > >>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already ordered > >>>> and would like to make a change, please respond with the details. > >>>> > >>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your order today= ! > >>>> > >>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee, > >>>> > >>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 15. This wa= s > >>>> long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long before ther= e > >>>> were any official T-shirts for attendees. > >>>> > >>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it would be > >>>>fun > >>>> to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradise" imprint was > >>>> designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, the first > >>>> IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and distributed > >>>>to > >>>> those who had signed up for it. > >>>> > >>>> This is what the shirt looked like: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg > >>>> > >>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning to produce = a > >>>> Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on the origina= l > >>>> design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced to offset > >>>> the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on how many > >>>> shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donate them to > >>>> the Open Internet Endowment: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/open-internet-endowment-0 > >>>> > >>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and how many > >>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available sizes are: > >>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL. > >>>> > >>>> Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in > >>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to distribute > >>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9. > >>>> > >>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF 91 attende= e > >>>> to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend in person. > >>>> > >>>> See you in Honolulu! > >>>> > >>>> Bob Hinden > >>>> Joel A. Jaeggli > >>>> Ole J. Jacobsen > >>>> > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 91attendees mailing list > >> 91attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >91attendees mailing list > >91attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > --089e013a0c501ef9230505dcdfb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<sarcasm> Women don't have to wear pink to ident= ify their gender; nor do girls.=C2=A0 Strangely enough, even men wearing pi= nk are not misidentified (terror!) as women; boys who do and are misidentif= ied can manage to survive undamaged. </sarcasm>

As= for having women's sizes, I don't care about fitted but I do care = about not having a design that tucks into my waist because of the assumptio= n of an extra foot of height.

Alia

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 = at 11:57 AM, Wendy Roome <w.roome@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
I wasn't involved with IETF= back then, but I doubt there were more women
then than now.

The original post said the shirts were printed locally. Most likely, that was the cheapest color the print shop had in stock. Also, I suspect pink tourist tee shirts are more common in Hawaii than in (say) North Dakota.
But guys, think about it. Yes, there are women who insist on wearing pink.<= br> But most of them would jump headfirst into a volcano before wearing a
"nerd" tee shirt. And those of us who would gladly proclaim our n= erdhood
to the world generally don't have a hangup about wearing pink. If
anything, for me, pink is a turnoff.

If the IETF wants to cater to women, offer tee shirts in women's sizes,=
blast it!! In other words, fitted! I don't particularly care about the<= br> color. But I do want something that doesn=C2=B9t hang on me like a shapeles= s
baggy sack!

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Thanks for letting me rant! :-)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Wendy Roome


On 10/20/2014, 10:35, "Tassos Chatzithomaoglou" <achatz@forthnet.gr> wrote:

>Aren't there any other color options?
>I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were m= ore
>women attending the events. =3D-O
>
>--
>Tassos
>
>Ole Jacobsen wrote on 18/10/2014 05:02:
>> As close as possible to the original, i.e, pink.
>>
>> Ole
>>
>>
>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>> Editor and Publisher
>> The Internet Protocol Journal
>> Office: +1 415-550-9433
>> Cell:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1 415-370-4628
>> Web: prot= ocoljournal.org
>> E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com
>> E-mail: ole@protocoljou= rnal.org
>> Skype: organdemo
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ole,
>>>
>>> What color will the shirt be?
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>> --------
>>> Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos
>>>
>>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **** UPDATE: We will offer women's style T-shirts as w= ell as the
>>>> originally announced range of sizes. If you have already o= rdered
>>>> and would like to make a change, please respond with the d= etails.
>>>>
>>>> **** REMINDER: The deadline is approaching, send in your o= rder today!
>>>>
>>>> Dear IETF 91 Attendee,
>>>>
>>>> Twenty-five years ago, the IETF met in Honolulu for IETF 1= 5. This was
>>>> long before the days of hosts and sponsors and thus long b= efore there
>>>> were any official T-shirts for attendees.
>>>>
>>>> A small group of IETFers got together and decided that it = would be
>>>>fun
>>>> to create a T-shirt. The now-famous "Nerds in Paradis= e" imprint was
>>>> designed by Julia Topolcic and became, as far as we know, = the first
>>>> IETF shirt ever. It was printed locally in Honolulu and di= stributed
>>>>to
>>>> those who had signed up for it.
>>>>
>>>> This is what the shirt looked like:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg
>>>>
>>>> To commemorate IETF 15 and that T-shirt, we are planning t= o produce a
>>>> Version 2.0 in the same ad hoc fashion, based closely on t= he original
>>>> design. The cost per T-shirt will about US $ 15.00, priced= to offset
>>>> the cost of this excercise. The final price will depend on= how many
>>>> shirts we order. If there are surplus funds, we will donat= e them to
>>>> the Open Internet Endowment:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/articl= es/open-internet-endowment-0
>>>>
>>>> If you wish to pre-order, please let us know what size and= how many
>>>> you want by 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, 2014. Available si= zes are:
>>>> Men's and Women's: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL.
>>>>
>>>> Send your order to: nerd= s@ietf.org. You will be required to pay in
>>>> CASH when collecting your shirt in Honolulu. We expect to = distribute
>>>> the shirts on Sunday afternoon, November 9.
>>>>
>>>> Mail orders are NOT available, we suggest you ask an IETF = 91 attendee
>>>> to collect the shirt for you if you are unable to attend i= n person.
>>>>
>>>> See you in Honolulu!
>>>>
>>>> Bob Hinden
>>>> Joel A. Jaeggli
>>>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 91attendees mailing list
>> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees
>>
>
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[109.107.11.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u8sm12376605wjq.1.2014.10.20.09.09.06 for <91attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:09:02 +0200 From: Tomek Mrugalski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 91attendees@ietf.org References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> In-Reply-To: X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20141020180902661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/WcqKRwxgRZeQsdCI_zH3-H4HUbY Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:10:21 -0000 On 20.10.2014 17:46, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no > "agreement", "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. > The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for > appeal. Pink it is then. Can we at least negotiate its luminance? How about deep dark pink (#4e0147)? If dark tints are not your thing, how about a light one (#ffe5ed)? No? Oh well, I had to try. Let's try something else then. Starting discussion about the geekiest way of dyeing a t-shirt in 3... 2... 1... Tomek From nobody Mon Oct 20 09:14:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3671A1BF9 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMK3Lc0k0X2L for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.81.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15FE91A1B1C for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDR00HVU3RI8L50@st11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for 91attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:14:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-20_03:2014-10-20,2014-10-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410200154 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Tomek Mrugalski In-reply-to: <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> Message-id: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/DEHzyZtMO0FBnMPBpIA7dsTdEAM Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:14:34 -0000 On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: > Pink it is then. Can we at least negotiate its luminance? How about deep > dark pink (#4e0147)? If dark tints are not your thing, how about a light > one (#ffe5ed)? > > No? Oh well, I had to try. > > Let's try something else then. Starting discussion about the geekiest > way of dyeing a t-shirt in 3... 2... 1... > > Tomek > I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago. 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([2601:6:3a80:77e:8dc6:1afd:791:3f7f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e52sm8284465qge.42.2014.10.20.09.48.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Suzanne Woolf In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:48:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <087677EE-BA37-441A-ADE6-EAD6D5E89D18@gmail.com> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> To: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/vyX6XdsOB_zjPTqnnseCHBRZYeU Cc: Tomek Mrugalski , 91attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:01:01 -0000 I'm wondering if it's a protocol violation for me to speak up without a = complaint, nitpick, rant, or comment on anyone else's complaint, = nitpick, or rant, but I'll do it anyway: I think the nod to our history = and culture is pretty darned cute, and thanks.=20 Suzanne On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: >=20 >> Pink it is then. Can we at least negotiate its luminance? How about = deep >> dark pink (#4e0147)? If dark tints are not your thing, how about a = light >> one (#ffe5ed)? >>=20 >> No? Oh well, I had to try. >>=20 >> Let's try something else then. Starting discussion about the geekiest >> way of dyeing a t-shirt in 3... 2... 1... >>=20 >> Tomek >>=20 >=20 > I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments=20 > ago. >=20 > Ole >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 10:08:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35711A874E; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.556, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0e6T-x2vG5cM; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0131.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 199851A8A7E; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pvpatel-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (66.129.241.13) by BLUPR05MB722.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.207.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1054.13; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:57:24 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C756A40E-998A-4793-80F5-D2E244BE8576" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: "John G. Scudder" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:58:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> To: Alia Atlas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Originating-IP: [66.129.241.13] X-ClientProxiedBy: CO2PR06CA019.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.242.19) To BLUPR05MB722.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.207.150) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR05MB722; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 03706074BC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(24454002)(12213003)(199003)(189002)(377454003)(69596002)(36756003)(82746002)(19580405001)(19580395003)(15202345003)(122386002)(77156001)(88136002)(15975445006)(17760045003)(93886004)(85306004)(87286001)(85852003)(83716003)(46102003)(84326002)(80022003)(87976001)(31966008)(89996001)(104166001)(95666004)(76482002)(120916001)(92726001)(92566001)(93916002)(19627595001)(19617315012)(18206015026)(69556001)(86362001)(62966002)(50986999)(76176999)(97736003)(77096002)(71186001)(102836001)(99396003)(57306001)(66066001)(512954002)(33656002)(21056001)(42186005)(1411001)(64706001)(50226001)(40100003)(110136001)(105586002)(4396001)(107046002)(20776003)(106356001)(53416004)(101416001)(81156004)(104396001)(42262002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR05MB722; H:pvpatel-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/JsEaN04TSL-clvj6H7CArL3oXlA Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise"T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:08:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C756A40E-998A-4793-80F5-D2E244BE8576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Women don't have to wear pink to identify their gender; nor do girls. = Strangely enough, even men wearing pink are not misidentified (terror!) = as women; boys who do and are misidentified can manage to survive = undamaged.=20 FDR rocked a rather fetching dress as a wee one. Maybe a pink one but we = don't know, because B&W. He is not remembered as an underachiever. = http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/fdr-grew-up-in-a-dress= -it-wasnt-always-blue-for-boys-and-pink-for-girls/237299/ Looking forward to my pink tee, --John --Apple-Mail=_C756A40E-998A-4793-80F5-D2E244BE8576 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A12FF8E-A95C-4843-B398-80A0522C503F" --Apple-Mail=_3A12FF8E-A95C-4843-B398-80A0522C503F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:04 PM, = Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> = wrote:

Women don't have to wear pink to = identify their gender; nor do girls.  Strangely enough, even men = wearing pink are not misidentified (terror!) as women; boys who do = and are misidentified can manage to survive = undamaged. 

FDR rocked a rather fetching dress = as a wee one. Maybe a pink one but we don't know, because B&W. He is = not remembered as an underachiever.

http://= www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/fdr-grew-up-in-a-dress-it-was= nt-always-blue-for-boys-and-pink-for-girls/237299/

= Looking forward to my pink = tee,

--John

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Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 91attendees@ietf.org References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1413825399; bh=3KI0cf2t2FMRFtFjwhisQYleEdW8PNTvZFEuJ4UgfeU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Vt3r5VjwXNdFAvUltwiQM11ozpsSqdH+F70PRsBFNKQAkUuoa0IHLs/3EUSZqN7Or Snpar5LHe4uh6BRzMlx28CdHJBJyoSUt2OBQGf4YB4dmD4ZleNMG1rYgJ4OQOeZH46 z2Bh+gwojylReVYHNByX+rN5jvkf/Cljr1DSvfclqJzTgkyHVqeLis3kiNpC9RQdO+ JrP9EF0GzK3qZemdzx/cGOAJfk9A6imf8pmgNYZXecgTWUS+dDYwF7CZds9m1Iz6hT hh89Rakyb6hMtn1TTGMs3TnJFDfIXwD0H3HYTbgG5yM6so/5+/G3CFjL4Tgc0oMUzN jmxRbHNYnU5Gg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/65OyiwsxiUdCjU9ySxuPkENf0A8 Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:20:02 -0000 On 10/20/14 12:09 PM, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: > Pink it is then. Can we at least negotiate its luminance? How about deep > dark pink (#4e0147)? If dark tints are not your thing, how about a light > one (#ffe5ed)? My understanding was that the *goal* of this project was a historic recreation. Changing the color would be contrary to the goal. And if you want to change the color because the original offends you, then maybe we should also change the font to something more pleasing. And maybe the wording isn't politically correct now, so maybe that should be changed too. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to buy it. Thanks, Paul From nobody Mon Oct 20 10:23:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9271A6F3C for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.225 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a0gS9H6WW-Wi for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdpipgw02.twcable.com (cdpipgw02.twcable.com [165.237.59.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F5C1A6F0B for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.14 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,757,1406606400"; d="scan'208";a="558539361" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.14]) by cdpipgw02.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 20 Oct 2014 13:18:06 -0400 Received: from PRVPEXVS08.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.36]) by PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.14]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:23:51 -0400 From: "Howard, Lee" To: Ole Jacobsen , Dominik Bay Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:23:50 -0400 Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: Ac/sip1elnOb8stORWGQokAoFZdOvA== Message-ID: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/r2klOooUvMXbsSk5ET0WmhuTr44 Cc: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:23:54 -0000 On 10/20/14 11:46 AM, "Ole Jacobsen" wrote: > >On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > >> Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. >> Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another >> black version. >> > >Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no >"agreement", "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. >The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for >appeal. I think it's cool that you're doing a commemorative anniversary T-shirt in the original color. As with any T-shirt, people are welcome to modify their own however they see fit. The hotel might not be thrilled if someone throws a Rit dyeing party in one of their bathtubs. Lee > >So there. > >Ole > >_______________________________________________ >91attendees mailing list >91attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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From nobody Mon Oct 20 11:47:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3623F1A902D for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W9L16Q0kqstJ for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [200.7.84.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246AB1A9039 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3992A16B40CCE; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:46:45 -0200 (UYST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zl2nut4bqORm; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:46:44 -0200 (UYST) Received: from albion.local (unknown [200.7.87.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6BC816B40CCD; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:46:44 -0200 (UYST) Message-ID: <54455894.5000808@lacnic.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:46:44 -0200 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominik Bay , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> In-Reply-To: <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/wGKIY3nyXSjyTT1gbDE8CMf6et8 Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:46:58 -0000 Where I live, guys wear light pink shirts often, particularly during spring and summer and particularly the younger generations. Looking out my office glass pane I can spot two right now. So I don't think there is anything wrong with pink. On 20/10/2014 13:20, Dominik Bay wrote: > On 10/20/2014 04:35 PM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: >> Aren't there any other color options? >> I'm getting the impression that in the early IETF days there were more women attending the events. =-O > Maybe you're just spoiled by general expectations of colour / gender in > society. > > -dominik > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 12:18:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89581AC3B1 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYAeCOhbTulQ for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D771AC3AF for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.96] ([64.122.169.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9KJI2G4030006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:18:04 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_860BDA1E-E2C7-4B59-859B-CD06CFE004F8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Merike Kaeo In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:18:11 -0700 Message-Id: <8E290305-7A70-41A1-909E-88F157B516E4@doubleshotsecurity.com> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> To: "Howard, Lee" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbn3sg6uAEBmN3DNZCcFy1veHeWIG0TxEktttmW7DEeBcHOlBuSF/oYZr/Jvqw9cAtfCQa7Km4LZkhmQ73A4hhv X-Sonic-ID: C;nh3pz41Y5BGNYoEG/FJGkA== M;YhdO0I1Y5BGNYoEG/FJGkA== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/v3ywI37o2gLUSNRhQEryYST_T6w Cc: Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:18:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_860BDA1E-E2C7-4B59-859B-CD06CFE004F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "Howard, Lee" = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 10/20/14 11:46 AM, "Ole Jacobsen" wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: >>=20 >>> Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. >>> Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another >>> black version. >>>=20 >>=20 >> Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no >> "agreement", "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. >> The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for >> appeal. >=20 > I think it's cool that you're doing a commemorative anniversary = T-shirt in > the original color. >=20 > As with any T-shirt, people are welcome to modify their own however = they > see fit. The hotel might not be thrilled if someone throws a Rit = dyeing > party in one of their bathtubs. LOL - first there's the standard and then there's the implementation = deviations per implementor. Love it. I like retro and huge thanks to the folks who = are making the t-shirts out of own volition and nostalgic reasons. - merike --Apple-Mail=_860BDA1E-E2C7-4B59-859B-CD06CFE004F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJURV/zAAoJEA7gPO9LJuah2RgH/1+Sozzd1nyu80HIb1AVDzhI LMx7JdbdQ549mxtckT1P5juH4ZQ8f9uxafYGsYYX05qjFiV+z0UTW57NHbgo/rB/ L8UlmRG+ke97kJ13vYZtbfNI/AOo1p/aS9ZKRsYb2nattWN+k0WrVjzHkO5wszXm mMdjZ4ji1LkCigBQtLQcwgo6cVmzA2PT2V6ZFzOVfT07/AX/3uWia5030meK7yYx BSld3UvADP37wTkD7qMGTmSjjkcMXgag5OXeWmTvLxX1NcO4bOOPDetk8IF7GMgb cN8m6P7OfjHhAUWFE8/qtxfyPjXEXI5aZaz8k6W6FEn0+08ZlAT03tjDE9U5qJ0= =V5GX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_860BDA1E-E2C7-4B59-859B-CD06CFE004F8-- From nobody Mon Oct 20 12:19:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDFB1AC3BB for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gf_tJf9WQSrD for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (hermes.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DB1AC3B2 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C8B16B40CEB; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:19:20 -0200 (UYST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYRbouLRnSKR; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:19:20 -0200 (UYST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:7000:51:d1a:ff6:6bc6] (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:7000:51:d1a:ff6:6bc6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FE1516B40CF3; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:19:20 -0200 (UYST) Message-ID: <54456038.1050605@lacnic.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:19:20 -0200 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzanne Woolf , Ole Jacobsen References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <5445339E.60303@gmail.com> <087677EE-BA37-441A-ADE6-EAD6D5E89D18@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <087677EE-BA37-441A-ADE6-EAD6D5E89D18@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/VSZJIrgRVOyXBH9SEMmASeqCUtI Cc: Tomek Mrugalski , 91attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:19:30 -0000 I, for one, thank those who put the energy and time into these initiatives, like the Nerds in Paradise t-shirt or the 'Your DNS needs urgent attention' i'm also getting from a friend of mine from ICANN SSAC :D You guys are making the world a little less gray. -Carlos On 10/20/14 2:48 PM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > I'm wondering if it's a protocol violation for me to speak up without a complaint, nitpick, rant, or comment on anyone else's complaint, nitpick, or rant, but I'll do it anyway: I think the nod to our history and culture is pretty darned cute, and thanks. > > > Suzanne > > > On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: >> >>> Pink it is then. Can we at least negotiate its luminance? How about deep >>> dark pink (#4e0147)? If dark tints are not your thing, how about a light >>> one (#ffe5ed)? >>> >>> No? Oh well, I had to try. >>> >>> Let's try something else then. Starting discussion about the geekiest >>> way of dyeing a t-shirt in 3... 2... 1... >>> >>> Tomek >>> >> I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments >> ago. >> >> Ole >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 14:28:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349CC1ACEEF for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKRMtMhU_N3y for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 635611ACEE2 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so8339725wiv.5 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=JIPvGT7JjFjQtPRzsFKM8rcCDoyeqAYoLYkTNgR3NEQ=; b=v9s8RYsAKq/ZYwxBI5L3h77SH9mBsBAJp1bxe4jVEtdMVz4KuGfSRK/76ouhchS/nr SIs5AFEZYGLDf5WIdGpFsXRSADLNxpx4c9X4C3zeI/azLcOQ5iqMysQwid5IQKWwPrcp Adq4aEivUnqbQ0pX+q7v7TxF8cufv9chQg0uEJDpUGQdpqGeEVhz3zLmevCECPcLbwT6 ugl0WVjIPZufLa0nDxiZBHsSLYzwSS4znMaIiTRL3cC+m46OoqlOTlcFhWv3YkZBDLGf zIE0k1urn2reMGQHgTylokuaBpHBE/sF33S574Q9v8iL0Q4ymkGFeaj8hEHbpTeVthrw fFTw== X-Received: by 10.180.73.244 with SMTP id o20mr24214351wiv.12.1413840498030; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RoniE (bzq-79-179-96-40.red.bezeqint.net. [79.179.96.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm13188687wjb.9.2014.10.20.14.28.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Roni Even" To: "'Ole Jacobsen'" , "'Dominik Bay'" References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:28:13 +0300 Message-ID: <024901cfecac$c2c627d0$48527770$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEVlw1MgWsqaR6ILHt00WUx5/JKNgI3omsPApQnDFoCIifHCAIdQ8n8AaCLtMUCBwiBygJktsPynTVuMfA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/h6fzsG5YT0_vcpMtjN9Wvpvoo8c Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:28:21 -0000 October is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color to mark it. So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month Roni > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole > Jacobsen > Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM > To: Dominik Bay > Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T- > shirts *** > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > > > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. > > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another > > black version. > > > > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no "agreement", > "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. > The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for appeal. > > So there. > > Ole > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Mon Oct 20 22:46:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F7C1AD05B for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZED9V0zaISH for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22b.google.com (mail-qg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7275C1AD040 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id j107so344041qga.30 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=FLEmBM3TLpklxDLcO+Vjz0M2OhMkcYDA81KpYm24u2Q=; b=Bn8QK/u3xZjJ1xJqoJK8Hhbrd8IOsWDpjI1wRbKKGQ0f7yaXoG6/VOGedbmiBIyVXS qrs2yPMOLeHjxRhxin0VcIR8HYbOQv/PqLpq6W37GnXOhxwE4J6WO93oTQuYYyapGlm0 iFfWuHUYRvKjmdfwnYZZid3YRM7PY5MlQcDhvDQFvqM7bMPhF2imdJIrldQn8lIlTFGF dTVCS5B1+RSw+DOmQNSEejAptNP0S/nz2k5bAGPSqKohBzzuZxLC3FwYQljxiL40bUj6 9MnSAuN5kOYxwOpSX4m3401v3xd6YXhy+SyJc+1K69gS/fu4XYkPRd2vNWyhX3PKcclh bgEg== X-Received: by 10.224.24.131 with SMTP id v3mr28454531qab.81.1413870375604; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:46:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lordmwesh@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.98.234 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:45:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <024901cfecac$c2c627d0$48527770$@gmail.com> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <024901cfecac$c2c627d0$48527770$@gmail.com> From: Mwendwa Kivuva Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:45:55 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uJKGq64N6tUM0fv5n1OF8Si5abg Message-ID: To: Roni Even Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c251ea7f1a320505e85933 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/by4en6I2w2_6RjVKzvDrhOrGImA Cc: Ole Jacobsen , 91attendees@ietf.org, Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:46:18 -0000 --001a11c251ea7f1a320505e85933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thread has more responses than regular drafts. maybe we should have a draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shirts :) Any co-authors? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even wrote: > October is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color to mark > it. > So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause > > http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month > > Roni > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole > > Jacobsen > > Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM > > To: Dominik Bay > > Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T- > > shirts *** > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > > > > > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. > > > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another > > > black version. > > > > > > > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no > "agreement", > > "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. > > The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for > appeal. > > > > So there. > > > > Ole > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 91attendees mailing list > > 91attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > --001a11c251ea7f1a320505e85933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This thread has more responses than regular drafts. m= aybe we should have a draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shirts :)
Any co-authors?

=
______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Ke= nya
twitter.c= om/lordmwesh

&qu= ot;There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on h= igher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson

On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even <even= .roni@gmail.com> wrote:
Oct= ober is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color to mark
it.
So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awar= eness-month

Roni

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole
> Jacobsen
> Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM
> To: Dominik Bay
> Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Para= dise" T-
> shirts ***
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Do= minik Bay wrote:
>
> > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway.=
> > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on anot= her
> > black version.
> >
>
> Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no
"agreement",
> "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else= .
> The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for app= eal.
>
> So there.
>
> Ole
>
> _______________________________________________
> 91attendees mailing list
> 91attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees

_______________________________________________
91attendees mailing list
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--001a11c251ea7f1a320505e85933-- From nobody Tue Oct 21 01:48:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F171A00A3 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L_boYSNRP09M for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948551A008D for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s9L8mXUq018961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:48:34 GMT Received: from DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.32]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id s9L8mUSX028349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:48:32 +0200 Received: from DEMUMBX005.nsn-intra.net ([169.254.5.176]) by DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:48:30 +0200 From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: ext Mwendwa Kivuva , Roni Even Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP7Ha8AXQK4SN9lUaCmsA0HfKQOJw4+EYAgAADTgCAAAF4gIAAApSAgABfbYCAAIsOgIAAU+tw Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:48:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <024901cfecac$c2c627d0$48527770$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.42.111] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F8195198F0DEMUMBX005nsnin_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 33474 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1413881314-0000437E-59ECBBF8/0/0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/dwETWOyMvdasVdXCbqHGJFF_Q0M Cc: Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:48:42 -0000 --_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F8195198F0DEMUMBX005nsnin_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A requirements draft seems to be valuable. Or should we go for BCP as we had already many high end artful t-shirts. That said I don't see a pink t-shirt that problematic. It is nice anyway. Cheers, Mehmet From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Mw= endwa Kivuva Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:46 AM To: Roni Even Cc: Ole Jacobsen; 91attendees@ietf.org; Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-sh= irts *** This thread has more responses than regular drafts. maybe we should have a = draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shirts :) Any co-authors? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on hig= her ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even > wrote: October is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color to mark it. So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month Roni > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole > Jacobsen > Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM > To: Dominik Bay > Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T- > shirts *** > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > > > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. > > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another > > black version. > > > > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no "agreement", > "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. > The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for appeal= . > > So there. > > Ole > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees _______________________________________________ 91attendees mailing list 91attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees --_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F8195198F0DEMUMBX005nsnin_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A requirements draft seems= to be valuable.

Or should we go for BCP as= we had already many high end artful t-shirts.

 

That said I don’t se= e a pink t-shirt that problematic. It is nice anyway.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext = Mwendwa Kivuva
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:46 AM
To: Roni Even
Cc: Ole Jacobsen; 91attendees@ietf.org; Dominik Bay
Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Pa= radise" T-shirts ***

 

This thread has more responses than regular drafts. maybe we should = have a draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shirts :)

Any co-authors?


______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lord= mwesh

&= quot;There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on= higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson

 

On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even <even.roni@gmail.com> wrote:<= /span>

October is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color t= o mark
it.
So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awar= eness-month

Roni

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole
> Jacobsen
> Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM
> To: Dominik Bay
> Cc: 91atten= dees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update = "Nerds in Paradise" T-
> shirts ***
>
>

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote:
>
> > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway.
> > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on anot= her
> > black version.
> >
>
> Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no
"agreement",
> "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else= .
> The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for app= eal.
>
> So there.
>
> Ole
>
> _______________________________________________
> 91attendees mailing list
> 91attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees

_______________________________________________
91attendees mailing list
91attendees@ietf.org
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--_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F8195198F0DEMUMBX005nsnin_-- From nobody Tue Oct 21 08:05:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049C01A8731 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xTPI90tEFHvW for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0106.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E936C1A8740 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN1PR05MB424.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.148) by BN1PR05MB422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1049.19; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:05:25 +0000 Received: from BN1PR05MB424.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.93]) by BN1PR05MB424.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.93]) with mapi id 15.00.1049.012; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:05:25 +0000 From: Dean Bogdanovic To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" Thread-Topic: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** Thread-Index: AQHP7Ha80jM7wHiWlUC890wlMCDwnJw5Gc0AgAADTgCAAAF4gIAAApSAgABfbYCAAIsOgIAAMwKAgABpToA= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: <0BDC71C9-04E4-4995-AEB9-B2BB0DB79BB1@juniper.net> References: <92DB877B-3543-47B0-9ABE-276CC9CCF56F@nbcuni.com> <54451DC0.6050301@forthnet.gr> <54452836.4020700@rrbone.net> <54452C37.6040900@rrbone.net> <024901cfecac$c2c627d0$48527770$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.11] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR05MB422; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-forefront-prvs: 0371762FE7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(199003)(377454003)(51704005)(12213003)(189002)(24454002)(13464003)(99396003)(97736003)(89996001)(569274001)(88136002)(15202345003)(83716003)(87286001)(2656002)(92566001)(82746002)(93916002)(87936001)(77096002)(86362001)(15975445006)(85852003)(93886004)(77156001)(19580395003)(85306004)(92726001)(19580405001)(107046002)(76482002)(21056001)(62966002)(104166001)(19617315012)(40100003)(15395725005)(101416001)(20776003)(106356001)(4396001)(120916001)(33656002)(50226001)(80022003)(66066001)(64706001)(31966008)(36756003)(46102003)(122556002)(16236675004)(99286002)(105586002)(16601075003)(50986999)(110136001)(106116001)(95666004)(76176999)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR05MB422; H:BN1PR05MB424.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0BDC71C904E44995AEB9B2BB0DB79BB1junipernet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/nafgWHPivnAT4KcWw5HoiTra5nc Cc: Roni Even , ext Mwendwa Kivuva , Ole Jacobsen , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts *** X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:05:33 -0000 --_000_0BDC71C904E44995AEB9B2BB0DB79BB1junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree with Mehmet. It is nice to see a change On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:48 AM, "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" > wrote: A requirements draft seems to be valuable. Or should we go for BCP as we had already many high end artful t-shirts. That said I don=92t see a pink t-shirt that problematic. It is nice anyway. Cheers, Mehmet From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Mwendwa Kivuva Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:46 AM To: Roni Even Cc: Ole Jacobsen; 91attendees@ietf.org; Dominik Bay Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-sh= irts *** This thread has more responses than regular drafts. maybe we should have a = draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shirts :) Any co-authors? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on hig= her ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even > wrote: October is the breast cancer awareness month and pink is the color to mark it. So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month Roni > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole > Jacobsen > Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM > To: Dominik Bay > Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T- > shirts *** > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wrote: > > > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway. > > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on another > > black version. > > > > Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no "agreement", > "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else. > The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for appeal= . > > So there. > > Ole > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees _______________________________________________ 91attendees mailing list 91attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees _______________________________________________ 91attendees mailing list 91attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees --_000_0BDC71C904E44995AEB9B2BB0DB79BB1junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <3B2369951D2FAA40A4B377F40A0DE965@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree with Mehmet. It is nice to see a change

On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:48 AM, "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)&quo= t; <mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>= wrote:

A requirements draft seems to be valuable.=
Or should we go for BCP as we had already many high end artf= ul t-shirts.
 
That said I don=92t see a pink t-shirt that problematic. It = is nice anyway.
 
Cheers, 
Mehmet
 
From:<= /span> 91attendees [mailto:91a= ttendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Mwendw= a Kivuva
Sent: Tuesday, Oct= ober 21, 2014 7:46 AM
To: Roni Even
Cc: Ole Jacobsen; = 91attendees@ietf.org; Dominik Bay
Subject: Re: [91at= tendees] *** Reminder and update "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirts ***=
 
This thread has more responses than regul= ar drafts. maybe we should have a draft to develop an RFC for meeting t-shi= rts :)
Any co-authors?

______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lordmwesh<= /span>

"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till= all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
 
On 21 October 2014 00:28, Roni Even <<= a href=3D"mailto:even.roni@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: pur= ple; text-decoration: underline; ">even.roni@gmail.com> wrote:<= /o:p>
October is the breast cancer awareness mo= nth and pink is the color to mark
it.
So having pink t-shirt should also help this important cause

= http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-cancer-awareness-month

Roni

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 91attendees [mailto:> Jacobsen
> Sent: 20 October, 2014 6:47 PM
> To: Dominik Bay
> Cc: 91attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [91attendees] *** Reminder and update = "Nerds in Paradise" T-
> shirts ***
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Dominik Bay wro= te:
>
> > Agreed. I wouldn't see it as a gender-specific colour anyway.
> > Maybe we can just agree on the original pink version, and on anot= her
> > black version.
> >
>
> Just to be 100% clear: The color of the shirt is PINK. There is no
"agreement",
> "consensus", "working group", BOF or anything else= .
> The color was chosen in a closed meeting. There are no avenues for app= eal.
>
> So there.
>
> Ole
>
> _______________________________________________
> 91attendees mailing list
> 9= 1attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/91attendees

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X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:59:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7575B26B-9890-4DF2-8D5E-3B3ED3CD2635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *** Final Reminder: "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirt order window closes = soon! The order window closes in about 22 hours at 23:59:00 UTC on October 22, = 2014. Available sizes are Men's and Womens: S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL Color is pink. Print is black, similar to: http://www.blkk.com/_Media/img_4721-2.jpeg Send your order to: nerds@ietf.org Include: Your name, your e-mail address, size and quantity. You will be required to pay in CASH when collecting your shirt(s) in = Honolulu. No mail orders or credit card payments available. 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Thread-Index: Ac/vFncyfvgMbZ8mQF26EpYjgQCDrw== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:09:59 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A125E53CE190A749957C19483DC79F9F5C97A0A1US70TWXCHMBA11z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/9Tc92QFPIGIAJWkg_P_YgyGXW-M Subject: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:10:08 -0000 --_000_A125E53CE190A749957C19483DC79F9F5C97A0A1US70TWXCHMBA11z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm planning to stick around after IETF91 and head over to Kauai Friday nig= ht for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 and 16. The hiking looks spec= tacular. Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough peopl= e and differing interests) to hit the trails together ? Is anyone alread= y thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ? http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail The full thing is a bit of a haul and= requires overnight camping. Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 m= iles each way) is beautiful. http://www.kauai.com/waipoo-falls-trail (800 foot waterfalls ?) http://www.kauai.com/kukui-trail http://www.kauai.com/awaawapuhi-trail Jason --_000_A125E53CE190A749957C19483DC79F9F5C97A0A1US70TWXCHMBA11z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I’m planning to stick around after IETF91 and head over to Kauai= Friday night for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 and 16.   = The hiking looks spectacular.
 
Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough = people and differing interests) to hit the trails together ?  &nb= sp; Is anyone already thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ?
 
http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail    The fu= ll thing is a bit of a haul and requires overnight camping.  &nbs= p; Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 miles each way) is beautiful.<= /div>
 
http://www.kauai.com/waipoo-falls-trail   (8= 00 foot waterfalls ?)
 
 
 
Jason
 
 
 --_000_A125E53CE190A749957C19483DC79F9F5C97A0A1US70TWXCHMBA11z_-- From nobody Thu Oct 23 16:15:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E96A1A6EFB for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ILunVDcDKMot for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com (mail-pa0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 389541A6FE3 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id eu11so1963724pac.23 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=8l43rFV8jn+h9WCyGDCEN95PIrzgiTCHKKQtBenODL8=; b=FDxKEg10weRe84JEyP0ngu3FJofJvMnKlT4V3p7EP/LIo0kKs75beRE897FDDRZvo0 qQeIqZzARtC5eY/tU/4+2ocvfYD6NDkKpBVDJrrAmJKDf2eslsNvSRSudyRTjJnEKPpV sdOzKuOQ24XcGAV5zq8D6mT+eOw7LU07hPiMeREoJ4Q8aIBf4DfUVhpaVFqnDTDLeaPH PyC2u3VcF3RFxKiNIgfqTGZkHVGHqyKlurVzyb12lvUhYujjgkFUFrZTLtt1mu/Xk4FT deN55cO9h1r4m++OYk5LA2ZY+fRuzxC66f7w5DHK+6wxqNFXRb2GSSyZQtXnAkbda9f5 OqhQ== X-Received: by 10.70.140.34 with SMTP id rd2mr692119pdb.146.1414106090826; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.66.250.169 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:30 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3hx5WR89kEYo0rxZtpMQq3T5TlI Message-ID: To: "Sterne, Jason (Jason)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135fd8637f10605061f3bd3 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/c-St7c-rxVE7a4r8YWWX85RK3Hg Cc: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:14:53 -0000 --001a1135fd8637f10605061f3bd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason, On top of the ones you list (Kalalau is North, the other 3 West), there are also beautiful hikes on the East side, close to Kapa'a. I would recommend sleeping giant (http://www.kauai.com/nounou-east). I wish I could join, you'll have a lot of fun. Thomas On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Sterne, Jason (Jason) < jason.sterne@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I=E2=80=99m planning to stick around after IETF91 and head over to Kauai = Friday > night for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 and 16. The hiking looks > spectacular. > > Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough > people and differing interests) to hit the trails together ? Is anyone > already thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ? > > *http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail* > The full thing is a bit of a haul and requires overnight camping. > Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 miles each way) is beautiful. > > *http://www.kauai.com/waipoo-falls-trail* > (800 foot waterfalls ?) > > *http://www.kauai.com/kukui-trail* > > *http://www.kauai.com/awaawapuhi-trail* > > > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > --001a1135fd8637f10605061f3bd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jason,

On top of the ones you list (Kal= alau is North, the other 3 West), there are also beautiful hikes on the Eas= t side, close to Kapa'a. I would recommend sleeping giant (http://www.kauai.com/nounou-east).

I wish I could join, you'll have a lot of fun.

Thomas

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Sterne, Jason (Jas= on) <jason.sterne@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Hi all,
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m planning to stick around after IETF91 and head over to Kau= ai Friday night for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 and 16.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 The hiking looks spectacular.
=C2=A0
Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough = people and differing interests) to hit the trails together ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Is anyone already thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ?
=C2=A0
http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 The full thing is a bit of a haul and requires overnight campi= ng.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 miles each = way) is beautiful.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
http://www.kauai.com/awaawapuhi-trail<= /div>
=C2=A0
Jason
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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--001a1135fd8637f10605061f3bd3-- From nobody Thu Oct 23 16:22:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0CA1A6F17 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id twgmK-iGmxwQ for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fldsmtpe03.verizon.com (fldsmtpe03.verizon.com [140.108.26.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A6231A1F04 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:22:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verizon.com; i=nick.delregno@verizon.com; q=dns/txt; s=corp; t=1414106559; x=1445642559; h=from:to:date:subject:message-id:mime-version; bh=vH7L72ytW2xIrJuc2Mwqg8A4+0o03U1rw2irDY3T89A=; b=gJ+KW2CRbmIG04BS+Vr+bDbvmHvuFK+Oudp4gsyBfVkipnpcSGCabz5i V7VZG7VMm64dOl0pDL0E196zabAFAX3AakWMIpuKsgCPTGVTcMnVTjjef gzmucYZYy+g9AwSkH7ZFKjPatn38OayKowmh+l8cRSE2KzW1lojeKz3UM 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi02.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.144]) by fldsmtpe03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2014 23:22:36 +0000 From: "DelRegno, Christopher N (Nick)" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,778,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217";a="851939182" Received: from fhdp1lumxc7hb03.verizon.com (HELO FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.59.190]) by fldsmtpi02.verizon.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2014 23:22:30 +0000 Received: from FHDP1LUMXC7V42.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.125.37]) by FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.59.190]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:22:23 -0400 To: "Sterne, Jason (Jason)" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:22:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? Thread-Index: Ac/vGDMb7GcjmheISEes0bCO5JyShA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D06F036F1865Dnickdelregnoverizoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/b_KCylkQSMEAPBg_THMgpNj7PaE Subject: Re: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:22:43 -0000 --_000_D06F036F1865Dnickdelregnoverizoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason: Technically, camping at the end of the Kalalau Trail requires a permit, whi= ch typically must be secured months in advanced. A few years ago my wife and I did a day hike down the Kalalau Trail to Han= akapiai beach (2 miles), then up the trail (2 miles) that follows the strea= m to Hanakapiai Falls. We swam at the base of the falls, along with a few = others, and then hiked back out. It was a great hike, 8 miles round trip, and beautiful scenery. Nick From: , Jason Sterne > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 7:09 PM To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.o= rg> Subject: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? Hi all, I=92m planning to stick around after IETF91 and head over to Kauai Friday n= ight for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 and 16. The hiking looks sp= ectacular. Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough peopl= e and differing interests) to hit the trails together ? Is anyone alread= y thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ? http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail The full thing is a bit of a haul and= requires overnight camping. Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 m= iles each way) is beautiful. http://www.kauai.com/waipoo-falls-trail (800 foot waterfalls ?) http://www.kauai.com/kukui-trail http://www.kauai.com/awaawapuhi-trail Jason --_000_D06F036F1865Dnickdelregnoverizoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jason:

= Technically, camping at the end of the Kalalau Trail requires a permit, whi= ch typically must be secured months in advanced.

A= few years ago my wife and I did a day hike down the Kalalau Trail to  = ;Hanakapiai beach (2 miles), then up the trail (2 miles) that follows the s= tream to Hanakapiai Falls.  We swam at the base of the falls, along wi= th a few others, and then hiked back out.

It was a= great hike, 8 miles round trip, and beautiful scenery.

Nick

From: = <Sterne>, Jason Sterne <jason.sterne@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 7:09 PM
To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>
Subject: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ?
=

Hi all= ,
 
I=92m planning to stick around after IETF91 an= d head over to Kauai Friday night for a couple of days of hiking on Nov 15 = and 16.   The hiking looks spectacular.
 
Does anyone want to form up a group (or a few groups if we get enough peo= ple and differing interests) to hit the trails together ?   = Is anyone already thinking of doing some hiking in Kauai ?
 = ;
http://www.kauai.com/kalalau-trail   = The full thing is a bit of a haul and requires overnight camping. &nb= sp;  Apparently the hike to the falls (still 4 miles each way) is beau= tiful.
 
 
htt= p://www.kauai.com/kukui-trail
 
 
Jason
 
 
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X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:53:27 -0000 > A few years ago my wife and I did a day hike down the Kalalau Trail to > Hanakapiai beach (2 miles), then up the trail (2 miles) that follows the > stream to Hanakapiai Falls. We swam at the base of the falls, along with a > few others, and then hiked back out. > > It was a great hike, 8 miles round trip, and beautiful scenery. I have done that hike too and can heartily recommend it. You should also do the Alakai Swamp hike: http://www.kauaiexplorer.com/hiking_kauai/alakai_hike.php jack. From nobody Fri Oct 24 05:58:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9F1A0029 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xGrS4IWlPKvu for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE89A1A001D for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ar1so2283044iec.10 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ERiDrTP9RzPhzX8PRcVJESlOtVDEuXJ/nLrRSi3XUzI=; b=RAja4Rf/umC9HU6wTmq2CpRG8xFgIvTcYwNu+GTAauHy2MlFKFmyJ9/QCvRMP7IYGP SeQuNYC7ZwFzKqK7CTcWQ3TnHF4vW69+0tK22XnUyP36n9XuesbUQ88DsyoFqj/oLxev iU9NRK2Bzfl3wilhQ9LEG93bhp0T3Wi0lDO0D4aPjYCjt8xoMD8IxL+AKqubq2NORT+2 j1QVRCcO10u6v/hgTpraykyCeG34FO66KKzkrm2SKBzmVr5KDaoje7j3am+np5YdYw6d bYa03LlvQwiPCh6xeKUGYOaKvQIWc8Q39EAzoNMv+/0GasAo8rEdal+CAOvQU6JSVS2N yQlA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.216.16 with SMTP id hg16mr703422icb.86.1414155531088; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.10.144 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Jack Moffitt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/AexjZxOsnmCnDWl3fcmBpONFkv4 Cc: "Sterne, Jason \(Jason\)" , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, "DelRegno, Christopher N \(Nick\)" Subject: Re: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:58:55 -0000 And when you need a break from hiking, engage four-wheel drive mode and head out to Polihale State Park, with wide beaches and views of Na Pali and Ni'ihau. Just turn right when you come off the mountain road (instead of going left back into town), and keep going when the paved road ends. http://www.hawaiistateparks.org/parks/kauai/polihale.cfm On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> A few years ago my wife and I did a day hike down the Kalalau Trail to >> Hanakapiai beach (2 miles), then up the trail (2 miles) that follows the >> stream to Hanakapiai Falls. We swam at the base of the falls, along with a >> few others, and then hiked back out. >> >> It was a great hike, 8 miles round trip, and beautiful scenery. > > I have done that hike too and can heartily recommend it. You should > also do the Alakai Swamp hike: > http://www.kauaiexplorer.com/hiking_kauai/alakai_hike.php > > jack. > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Fri Oct 24 06:58:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A5E1A008C for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x1uYVrjbEk9o for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84EF51A0054 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id s18so2678179lam.23 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qZ/aFHSHIxipjbt5dv/vUY/CCnh3mGaXQA98TEPA26w=; b=mHxVZbnqkHjGZ63RDbB2fPR/bjre0JyLhssJ8EEmwidq01bsf8M5sOhHGmjHz8S1KF ijynbsudh2bTJWPsB7CQbUqNCfSZHqDQHWoU3fGJ0vf3FcxUQ692MQft8HAkTiqz1Ob8 pJe70hey9ZesQeWiuulOo4DwvyiOJJc8VQeZMVQjJjyY/6hxHc/7Ib6gskYP+ZrXkb6/ VjRzl9lCfql9tzQ3x5a9pbnUALnF1BGqq+E840kc2JVtd2mnv4JT5Ga07Lnrh/Y05jWO GAA7JMmWxnVjqXmg9rP5GF0PFZBPl2dmr6I7HqzTiZ8APv0US7oe+xpKJdIYqTzbNqcn sFbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.171 with SMTP id az11mr3055517lab.97.1414159113455; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.95.36 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:58:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: Richard Barnes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/lpOIy_Tq0rEPcUTqZx4wlkVdnPE Cc: "Sterne, Jason \(Jason\)" , Jack Moffitt , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org>, "DelRegno, Christopher N \(Nick\)" Subject: Re: [91attendees] Hiking in Kauai after IETF91 ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:58:37 -0000 Here is a list of things to do on Kauai from someone who lives there (not me): http://www.sans.edu/research/security-musings/article/things-to-do-kauai I followed some of the suggestions last time I was there and got to go on an acrobatic plane ride that was awesome. It's not on the list anymore, so the guy he recommended (said it would be safe and it was), may no longer be doing it. The other suggestions were great too. You do need to be careful about hiking if it has been raining. The list had a recommendation for a hike if it had been raining as this one is all on solid rock. I did not read the updated list... I'm not going to Kauai :-) On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > And when you need a break from hiking, engage four-wheel drive mode > and head out to Polihale State Park, with wide beaches and views of Na > Pali and Ni'ihau. Just turn right when you come off the mountain road > (instead of going left back into town), and keep going when the paved > road ends. > > http://www.hawaiistateparks.org/parks/kauai/polihale.cfm > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jack Moffitt wrote: >>> A few years ago my wife and I did a day hike down the Kalalau Trail to >>> Hanakapiai beach (2 miles), then up the trail (2 miles) that follows the >>> stream to Hanakapiai Falls. We swam at the base of the falls, along with a >>> few others, and then hiked back out. >>> >>> It was a great hike, 8 miles round trip, and beautiful scenery. >> >> I have done that hike too and can heartily recommend it. You should >> also do the Alakai Swamp hike: >> http://www.kauaiexplorer.com/hiking_kauai/alakai_hike.php >> >> jack. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Sun Oct 26 17:00:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BF71A1B2A for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7SoES6FljWi for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A6A81A1B3F for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XiXjT-0006bW-NF for 91attendees@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:00:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:00:22 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: attendees <91attendees@ietf.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/KAwnKtw8ujVHRPyaHT4Mw_7NOWs Subject: [91attendees] mule X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:00:26 -0000 anyone attending honolulu going to portland afterward willing to carry a 13" macbook and connect with a recipient there? thanks! randy From nobody Mon Oct 27 09:08:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D241ACE7F for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mvPEXo2pk3qI for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0069.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEE281ACE86 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN1PR06MB277.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.64.139) by BN1PR06MB277.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.64.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.6.9; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:08:14 +0000 Received: from BN1PR06MB277.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.126]) by BN1PR06MB277.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.126]) with mapi id 15.01.0006.000; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:08:14 +0000 From: Nicole Armstrong To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: ISOC@IETF 91 Briefing Panel Thread-Index: AQHP8gA2Fv5pnLmUt0eE/fT+WK5K3Q== Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:08:14 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [173.226.66.170] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB277; x-forefront-prvs: 0377802854 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(199003)(189002)(17033001)(377454003)(101416001)(64706001)(21056001)(105586002)(99286002)(106356001)(80022003)(99396003)(120916001)(66066001)(20776003)(77096002)(76482002)(107046002)(107886001)(2351001)(85306004)(97736003)(95666004)(36756003)(2501002)(106116001)(110136001)(229853001)(40100003)(15975445006)(122556002)(4396001)(19580405001)(85852003)(87936001)(2656002)(92566001)(86362001)(31966008)(15202345003)(46102003)(50986999)(54356999)(92726001)(19580395003)(42522002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR06MB277; H:BN1PR06MB277.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/VDqLbWt8gRX5kNmjJKgFJzDuopI Subject: [91attendees] ISOC@IETF 91 Briefing Panel X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:08:42 -0000 We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 91: ---------- SESSION ABSTRACT Is Identity an Internet Building Block? In the Internet=B9s early days, users often felt shielded behind an electronic veil of anonymity, able to take on any persona they pleased. Now, nearly every online service has adopted technologies that build user profiles, offer product recommendations, and piece together personal histories that go back farther than most of us even know. Digital identifiers and the attributes tied to those identifiers are key to establishing trust in any form of online communication. What are the underlying identifiers we use on the Internet today? What are their properties? How do these identifiers and attributes relate to our ideas of "identity?" If we were to dream of an ideal world with multiple interlinked and interoperable identity ecosystems, what would good look like? During this Briefing Panel, the Internet Society=B9s Chief Internet Technology Officer Olaf Kolkman and four panelists from various layers of the stack will discuss whether identity management is, or will be, a fundamental building block for the Internet, the forces currently at play in the identity sphere, the push for single sign-on, the role of mobile, and more. Moderator: Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society Panel: Leif Johansson, SUNET Ken Klingenstein, Internet2 Jef Hodges, PayPal Natasha Rooney, GSMA ---------- PANEL DETAILS Date: Tuesday, 11 November 2014 Venue: Hilton Hawaiian Village Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) ---------- HOW TO PARTICIPATE Pre-registration is required for onsite participation and begins on Tuesday, 28 October 2014. Due to high demand for limited seating, registration will be open in two time blocks to account for the broad range of home timezones of IETF participants. Registration opens in two phases for global fairness: 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC on 28-October 2014. Look for the registration form link at the webpage below: https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-91 We also plan to have a live webcast of the event (no registration required). Information on the ISOC@IETF 91 Panel, webcast details, and an archive of past ISOC@IETF Briefing Panels is available on our website. http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/internet-technology-matters/open- internet-standards/briefing-panels We hope you can join us! ---------- Nicole Armstrong, CMP, CMM Internet Society Armstrong@isoc.org From nobody Tue Oct 28 20:59:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658941A6F3F; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkrTTIF5gKoj; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.81.0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D80D1A6F4C; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 173-11-110-132-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (173-11-110-132-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.132]) by st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NE600E03TQ7YR80@st11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com>; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 03:58:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-29_03:2014-10-28,2014-10-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410290043 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: 91attendees@ietf.org Message-id: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/3gBrxrTX0VcyAtxjaO0tKLwaYlc Cc: "nerds@ietf.org" Subject: [91attendees] Nerds in Paradise T-shirt pickup hours X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "nerds@ietf.org" List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 03:58:59 -0000 For those of you who ordered the "Nerds in Paradise" T-shirt: Order confirmation messages are being sent out, you should see yours by the end of this week. 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The wiki and/or 91 attendee list may be a reasonable way to organize that. ---"The Nerds" From nobody Wed Oct 29 14:13:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15DC1A8F4C; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QPhHpHKcsgyl; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 460F11A8BC2; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=358; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414617179; x=1415826779; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=5MLlnh/+pUVCPfJ4BX/3yee4cX+etwA2qtbeE5K1Ywk=; b=bQH2G1+K7fetOtCVfG2b/34L6WGYvJdRO17ULMClZAKx5rABRlA5+xcm 7FChjdyljlHdYhFU8BpKeiA+fVJ9sanP/oa+oWS6e6R91tmhP9I+1kkSN too/5qG78dUV6/WBJ/m454kWGc5ePjAsOJe6UCC9OszZ3fTTVwWCcslNt E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEADhXUVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABc22IBAQEBAX2EQUA9FhgDAgECAUsBDAgBAYg9yB8BAQEHAQEBAR6VYgEEnWqBMYNKgnSOUYN5PIJ6AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,279,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="229429690" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2014 21:12:57 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9TLCvBn012237; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:12:57 GMT Message-ID: <54515859.4000808@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:12:57 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ops-area@ietf.org" , 91attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/aw5xeR8MPox2vDGYklKH7L-SGGU Subject: [91attendees] IETF 91 OPS open hours office X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:13:01 -0000 Dear all, When: Monday Nov 10th, 1300-1500 Where: Rainbow Suite 1&2 in the Rainbow Tower (IESG meeting room) Please come to talk to us on any WG or area items, about new proposals, or about any other IETF-related business. An advanced notification would be appreciated, so that we can schedule the different slots. Regards, Joel and Benoit From nobody Thu Oct 30 07:22:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA961AD380 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VDJ_UmIc1q8L for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (smtp-out-02.aalto.fi [130.233.228.121]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9081AD26E for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 1757427106C_45249A5B for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from EXHUB02.org.aalto.fi (exhub02.org.aalto.fi [130.233.222.119]) by smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 273B827110E_45249A4F for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:22:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from EXMDB04.org.aalto.fi ([169.254.1.106]) by EXHUB02.org.aalto.fi ([130.233.222.119]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:22:28 +0200 From: Manner Jukka To: "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Scuba Diving ? Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVA== Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, fi-FI Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [86.50.146.205] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1C23CAE287A4DC4CBE989FA8C7A55606@aalto.fi> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/h5ua_fmlKSa1NZrOr7cf_mRF7cU Subject: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:22:34 -0000 Hi, Any hints as to what to see and which company to use if, when, I want to go= scuba diving during my stay ? What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) all yea= r round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). Jukka (Padi MSD)= From nobody Thu Oct 30 07:30:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5E21AD389 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:30:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.842 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.842 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jGGs8HrBKkcV for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (mail.sbg.nic.at [83.136.33.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9558B1AD0C1 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nics-exch2.sbg.nic.at ([10.17.175.6]) by mail.sbg.nic.at over TLS secured channel (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) with XWall v3.50 ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:29:58 +0100 Received: from NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at ([fe80::a5b2:6e42:e54d:9d57]) by NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at ([fe80::a5b2:6e42:e54d:9d57%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:29:57 +0100 From: Alexander Mayrhofer To: Manner Jukka , "91attendees@ietf.org" <91attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Scuba Diving ? Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVJxIsc0g Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:29:56 +0000 Message-ID: <19F54F2956911544A32543B8A9BDE075465E58E8@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.163] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-XWALL-BCKS: auto Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/XrvISdP-uCJfZy1z0U4PTW1GI_4 Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:30:07 -0000 > What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. I read the water temp is between 70 and 80F (22-28 C=B0) during winter. I r= ead that typically a 3mm shorty would do, although local Divemasters who di= ve lots all year round use 5mm to 7mm full suits. =20 > In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) all y= ear > round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). Well, therefore i would guess Finnish scuba divers would probably go naked = in Hawaii ;) In Austria, we do have at least 24=B0 in our lakes during summ= er on the surface. 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Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVJxIsW7g Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:32:44 +0000 Message-ID: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61130EA991D@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.239.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=be/cppzB c=1 sm=1 a=VXHOiMMwGAwA+y4G3/O+aw==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=8RP7HBNDfBoA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zQP] X-AnalysisOut: [7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=b6bAV7AZci] X-AnalysisOut: [LmMaCxtCUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.23] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/_vBu7G7mHi2YGvyoO-TaJ8AbGuU Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:33:06 -0000 Water temp is about 80 F. I was just in Maui a couple of weeks ago. I was c= omfortable in a 3 mil full wet suit. But some people dive with just swim su= it or swim suit and rash guard. So variations in between full 3 mil and not= hing can work as well. It depends on your tolerance to cold. I didn't dive = near Oahu, so I don't know about Oahu diving. Visibility varies considerabl= y per dive site and wind/surf conditions. My dives varied between 30-80 ft = of visibility (~10-25m). I had no complaints. Lots of life. Note that Hawaii is filled with inexperienced divers who've just gone throu= gh hotel-provided dive training. In Maui, we found that the dive operators = who left at around 6am were some of the best and had no inexperienced peopl= e. And the dive sites weren't crowded with such people at that time, either= . Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Manner Jukka > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:22 AM > To: 91attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Any hints as to what to see and which company to use if, when, I want to = go > scuba diving during my stay ? >=20 > What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. >=20 > In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) all y= ear > round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). >=20 > Jukka (Padi MSD) > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Thu Oct 30 07:37:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4071AD409 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uIuR2F7Xro6X for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.ugent.be (smtp1.ugent.be [157.193.71.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BF21AD40A for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mcheck2.ugent.be [157.193.49.249]) by smtp1.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49D2880F for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by UGent DICT Received: from smtp1.ugent.be ([IPv6:::ffff:157.193.71.182]) by localhost (mcheck2.UGent.be [::ffff:157.193.43.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tvzetQ2C1EW for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail2.intec.ugent.be (mail2.intec.ugent.be [157.193.214.245]) by smtp1.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992648817 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.intec.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8846130 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:41 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at intec.ugent.be Received: from mail2.intec.ugent.be ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.intec.ugent.be [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QLg1fYDpY8ZC for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.54] (unknown [212.170.156.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dstaesse) by mail2.intec.ugent.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4391A2F for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:36:38 +0100 From: Dimitri Staessens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 91attendees@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at jchkm1 with ID 54524CF9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://helpdesk.ugent.be/email/)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 54524CF9.001 from mail2.intec.ugent.be/mail2.intec.ugent.be/157.193.214.245/mail2.intec.ugent.be/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 54524CF9.001 on smtp1.ugent.be : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/Zqg1VPcV-WTtFLjAK62-EFuajOk Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:37:36 -0000 Manner Jukka schreef op 10/30/2014 3:22 PM: > Hi, > > Any hints as to what to see and which company to use if, when, I want to go scuba diving during my stay ? Most recommended ops seems to be Kaimana: waikikiscuba.com and Hawaiian Diving Adventures http://hawaiiandivingadventures.com/ HDA's has 7am dives :) cheers, Dimitri > > What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. > > In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) all year round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). > > Jukka (Padi MSD) > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees -- Dimitri Staessens Department of Information Technology Broadband Communication Networks (IBCN) Ghent University - iMinds Gaston Crommenlaan 8 (Bus 201), B-9050 Gent, Belgium T: +32 472 18 72 48; T Secr: +32 9 33 14900 F: +32 9 33 14899 Skype: dstaesse E: dimitri.staessens@intec.UGent.be W : www.ibcn.intec.UGent.be // www.iminds.be From nobody Thu Oct 30 07:49:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF9A1AD44F for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5U0THuSGiHq for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (smtp-out-02.aalto.fi [130.233.228.121]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA961AD3A2 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 2873D271101_4524FECB; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from EXHUB02.org.aalto.fi (exhub02.org.aalto.fi [130.233.222.119]) by smtp-out-02.aalto.fi (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id A20382710EE_4524FEBF; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:49:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from EXMDB04.org.aalto.fi ([169.254.1.106]) by EXHUB02.org.aalto.fi ([130.233.222.119]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:49:15 +0200 From: Manner Jukka To: Dimitri Staessens Thread-Topic: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVJxIk7IAgAADhQA= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> In-Reply-To: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> Accept-Language: en-US, fi-FI Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [86.50.146.205] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/4w4WDjpg_-X7hn0fGocCf99KK5Y Cc: "<91attendees@ietf.org>" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:49:28 -0000 I was looking at Kaimana, too, and also these three: Reef pirates: reefpirates.com Island Divers: oahuscubadiving.com Waikiki Dive Center: waikikidiving.com 10 years ago I was snorkeling in Hanauma Bay, and would be nice to see it i= n scuba gear now. This company also does shore trips to see marine life: http://www.hawaiiecodivers.com/ Jukka On Oct 30, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Dimitri Staessens wrote: > Manner Jukka schreef op 10/30/2014 3:22 PM: >> Hi, >>=20 >> Any hints as to what to see and which company to use if, when, I want to= go scuba diving during my stay ? >=20 > Most recommended ops seems to be > Kaimana: > waikikiscuba.com > and Hawaiian Diving Adventures > http://hawaiiandivingadventures.com/ > HDA's has 7am dives :) >=20 > cheers, >=20 > Dimitri >>=20 >> What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. >>=20 >> In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) all = year round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). >>=20 >> Jukka (Padi MSD) >> _______________________________________________ >> 91attendees mailing list >> 91attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dimitri Staessens > Department of Information Technology > Broadband Communication Networks (IBCN) > Ghent University - iMinds > Gaston Crommenlaan 8 (Bus 201), B-9050 Gent, Belgium > T: +32 472 18 72 48; T Secr: +32 9 33 14900 > F: +32 9 33 14899 > Skype: dstaesse > E: dimitri.staessens@intec.UGent.be > W : www.ibcn.intec.UGent.be // www.iminds.be >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Thu Oct 30 10:15:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA08E1A0687 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpWAMFlaNZc5 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7272C1A03FF for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:11:47 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:11:47 -0700 From: David Conrad To: Manner Jukka Thread-Topic: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVJxIk7IAgAADhQCAAL60gA== Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: <719F9DC9-3186-477A-A98B-43BF541D90E5@icann.org> References: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.0.35.2] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D3C52989-DE68-4A9C-8490-F47226E3D130"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/AjR2JOa8bAzHxDG-Wa9n7Kj6hE0 Cc: "<91attendees@ietf.org>" <91attendees@ietf.org>, Dimitri Staessens Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:15:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D3C52989-DE68-4A9C-8490-F47226E3D130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those who will have a car... It's been quite a while since I've been diving on Oahu, but my favorite = shore dives: - Pupukea (Three Tables/Sharks Cove) - my personal favorite, up on North = Shore so it might be a bit dicey due to waves this time of year (great = in summer though) - Halona Cove ("=46rom Here to Eternity Beach") - East side of the = island, between Sandy Beach and Hanauma - Makaha Beach/Caverns - West side of the island, a bit of a swim to get = to the interesting stuff - Hanauma Bay - The inner reef is now pretty much dead but once you get = past where people can walk on the reef (sigh), it gets better. I used = walk out on the trail towards the point on the left side (as you look = out of the bay) and then swim in to the beach. A good site is http://shorediving.com/Earth/Hawaii/Oahu/ Regarding temperature, I'd typically dive in a 3 mil "farmer john" = wetsuit, but occasionally (particularly in summer), even that was = unnecessary. Regards, -drc On Oct 30, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Manner Jukka wrote: > I was looking at Kaimana, too, and also these three: >=20 > Reef pirates: reefpirates.com >=20 > Island Divers: oahuscubadiving.com >=20 > Waikiki Dive Center: waikikidiving.com >=20 > 10 years ago I was snorkeling in Hanauma Bay, and would be nice to see = it in scuba gear now. This company also does shore trips to see marine = life: >=20 > http://www.hawaiiecodivers.com/ >=20 > Jukka >=20 > On Oct 30, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Dimitri Staessens wrote: >=20 >> Manner Jukka schreef op 10/30/2014 3:22 PM: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Any hints as to what to see and which company to use if, when, I = want to go scuba diving during my stay ? >>=20 >> Most recommended ops seems to be >> Kaimana: >> waikikiscuba.com >> and Hawaiian Diving Adventures >> http://hawaiiandivingadventures.com/ >> HDA's has 7am dives :) >>=20 >> cheers, >>=20 >> Dimitri >>>=20 >>> What is the water temp, I will probably bring my own gear. >>>=20 >>> In Finland one needs to prepare for around 40F/4-5C (or even lower) = all year round, and visibility of 2-10m (on a good day ;). >>>=20 >>> Jukka (Padi MSD) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 91attendees mailing list >>> 91attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dimitri Staessens >> Department of Information Technology >> Broadband Communication Networks (IBCN) >> Ghent University - iMinds >> Gaston Crommenlaan 8 (Bus 201), B-9050 Gent, Belgium >> T: +32 472 18 72 48; 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Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:27:30 +0100 Message-ID: <54528313.9050503@ripe.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:27:31 +0100 From: Robert Kisteleki Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "<91attendees@ietf.org>" <91attendees@ietf.org> References: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> <719F9DC9-3186-477A-A98B-43BF541D90E5@icann.org> In-Reply-To: <719F9DC9-3186-477A-A98B-43BF541D90E5@icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: --- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -3.5 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 72e00e6d7601fa19264e98abc238a2743036dc18a05f0b85aa4e84a2e268baee Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/MM8Dx-AISsaTE0MqQaQsg2sjkn0 Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:27:34 -0000 These are good tips already! Are there any recommendations for Kaua'i and/or big island? Thanks! Robert From nobody Thu Oct 30 11:30:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403231A1A1E for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-FnwHphdjeq for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x230.google.com (mail-pd0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6D281A1A54 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ft15so5624117pdb.35 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=LcGqXDRNTib7yeDO2YuqzwunQwjjE8OkD8SoPDDWKjY=; b=WEXCQwFApIWw1okg67rZbdSJ89xo+tu0hDY1QcCF/RThd6M4z1YAuzxBUDUDkhH4wD JCWWOt5dMhC7N5kAzdctbTBwmiyclWcL9FsiR32HJDtPByXQbziIdD1vegh0+9lwuXk4 k7p1t6TmwZTiBWKUm7kl0z8/YptdCfnwZlnJkB4n9vWkG2+Chwiu7ZMY/85Cf4GhspqI KsoPzDBUm+cC1SlnE5vdAgErtVrlqUC9ZYrwC1yTTYRyPJ/IYzJ2oqYs8pl88ylxwDWP EdKhXG0au1tWU8HpEHAj0D34N9egEaiCAV+j3xSQEIz5DcXNgcf7eIDmZL6828oHXfto BeGw== X-Received: by 10.66.228.131 with SMTP id si3mr19639741pac.32.1414693850513; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:3406:4f00:6c01:bf8:ea76:f124? ([2602:306:3406:4f00:6c01:bf8:ea76:f124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id td4sm7772577pbc.36.2014.10.30.11.30.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) From: "Adam W. Montville" In-Reply-To: <54528313.9050503@ripe.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:30:47 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71E08D2F-211A-4578-995D-3FC298A26BD3@gmail.com> References: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> <719F9DC9-3186-477A-A98B-43BF541D90E5@icann.org> <54528313.9050503@ripe.net> To: Robert Kisteleki X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/xfLYn73ZOlGSL2lVam3wjGJXVbY Cc: "<91attendees@ietf.org>" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:30:52 -0000 It=E2=80=99s been a few decades, but scuba diving on Kaua=E2=80=99i was = outstanding. The island itself was (back then anyway) calmer than the = others - restful. > On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: >=20 >=20 > These are good tips already! Are there any recommendations for Kaua'i = and/or > big island? >=20 > Thanks! > Robert >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 91attendees mailing list > 91attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/91attendees From nobody Thu Oct 30 11:49:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4681A0364 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, J_CHICKENPOX_26=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_61=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7NffhQUbL36C for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-2.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11CE91A01AE for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:49:43 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:49:43 -0700 From: David Conrad To: Robert Kisteleki Thread-Topic: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? Thread-Index: AQHP9Ezu/8sgNlqTg0+71FJ8ibPbVJxIk7IAgAADhQCAAL60gIAAFSmAgAAGMgA= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:49:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <21666_1414679863_54524D37_21666_104_1_54524CF6.9010702@intec.ugent.be> <719F9DC9-3186-477A-A98B-43BF541D90E5@icann.org> <54528313.9050503@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <54528313.9050503@ripe.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.0.35.2] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A5525656-EA73-467D-808A-FFCAD5137F17"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/lBDz5c2fyVmYKuC8pAP3xuwjrkc Cc: "<91attendees@ietf.org>" <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:49:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A5525656-EA73-467D-808A-FFCAD5137F17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: > These are good tips already! Are there any recommendations for Kaua'i = and/or > big island? On the Big Island, lots of options in the Kailua-Kona area (I haven't = done much diving outside of the Kona area on the Big Island). I've = mostly gone with Big Island Divers (in the Old Industrial Park, just off = Queen Kaahumanu Highway as you're going into town from the airport). = Other companies I've used in the past Jack's Diving Locker (in town at = the Coconut Plaza shopping center), King Kamehameha Divers (at the King = Kam Courtyard Marriott), and Kona Honu Divers (near Big Island Divers in = Old Industrial Park). Had good experiences with all of them. Some of my favorite shore diving locations are: - Pu'uhonua o' Honaunau (Place of Refuge National Park, south of Kona)=20= - Old Airport (now a county beach park just outside of town) - Mile Marker 4 (on Ali'i Drive in Kona)=20 - Kahalu'u (really good snorkeling, lots of turtles, but can get = crowded) Shorediving.com is a good resource here too = (http://www.shorediving.com/Earth/Hawaii/TBI/) Regards, -drc --Apple-Mail=_A5525656-EA73-467D-808A-FFCAD5137F17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUUohGAAoJENV6ebf0/4rXzG4H/jzz/JaH/s/Tz0vlCyB2pT5c rBhJCdj0X4CLHjYzfbrDtB+z0VBGxU61myEWmdByG4g4YXaMoJ1M/Ttlqh5NNPtm 7HRtei2EAvgGNkUyg2/EmEq5YS3jR3cispo1TZJssQB5ucEdUkzein4Qi7IwyB4G uSt4PmoB49kTK1kZKw+KEB0C+pxZGVoSk1eW2KJNwMGuL7YzEdCkFXNoVuihV08Q jIiF+g7xKNsWqv7n8jRyZvCDqAr9TNv1Rh1AIis5sjcg1smt696REZncoEYY5Kw1 NgX8z+3cpOLiGx1iuN7OtxzTtf8mBtSS5git/5zrVN7UCj+pfKNb3GqUR+0NIG0= =E9+K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A5525656-EA73-467D-808A-FFCAD5137F17-- From nobody Thu Oct 30 13:22:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D2A1A6FA3 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9GIvLpTqTzt1 for <91attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imta-35.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C797D1A6F8E for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9UKMNDJ010092 for <91attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:28 -0700 X-Eon-Dm: dm23 Received: by m0048139.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id m0048139.54527dc3.849f; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20141030132222.623B2244@m0048139.ppops.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:22:22 -0700 From: "Scott Weeks" To: <91attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Eon-Sig: AQLAznNUUp3+KhnplQEAAAAB,d30549f82ff41b891af7331b0b8efb5f X-Originating-Ip: 199.211.157.2 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52, 1.0.28, 0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-30_07:2014-10-30,2014-10-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410300178 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/91attendees/jkSwwnB6e3_Krldd8Y7A86ejgvo Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? 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X-BeenThere: 91attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 91 attendees that have opted in on this list." <91attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:04:46 -0000 Try nighttime manta ray diving out of Kailua-Kona on the Big Island. You'll have manta rays within touching distance throughout the dive because the dive operators turn on lights that attract the krill to the dive site. It's an eerie experience to see these behemoths gliding by silently. -Peter -----Original Message----- From: 91attendees [mailto:91attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Kisteleki Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:28 AM To: <91attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [91attendees] Scuba Diving ? These are good tips already! Are there any recommendations for Kaua'i and/or big island? Thanks! 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