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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 04:53:39 -0000 CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a fine thing. Thanks Brian From nobody Wed Jul 8 22:05:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6241A901F for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ENnDeaE1M6Yq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7DA51A900A for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=505; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436418336; x=1437627936; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=BwIZqPiVKPSQoNPKG0HOSzVbQtwJYbm7V/5koZiuT4Q=; b=gOg5pfl64gpBhkPMEeixJNXR4h2mjqjA97CBo87GT3j6aszcUCOwVQGQ Ftg8l+FA4SdYBpQ+SLITxnVyFdoIIi/mku4qK81d/3HPfwTsnvDjJ8InL 1CGR74xIqZvpwHnTv8FZe7z8C5pXhLEjqJ3GS5R8lZZBllT/dT3YkgDjd w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BfAwDLAJ5V/5NdJa1bgxJUYLsdCYFmCoUtSgKBVjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCQBAQQBAQE3NAsQCxgJJQ8FEzYTiC4NzUwBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBItLhQYHhCsFjRmHE4t/AZhlJoQbHjGCSwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,437,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="13871932" Received: from rcdn-core-11.cisco.com ([173.37.93.147]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2015 05:05:32 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6955U9L008541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:05:31 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6955T8N025031; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:29 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6955TOP025030; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:05:29 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 05:05:36 -0000 according to some web pag terminal 2 somewhere hidden in a corner, terminal 1 directly at the exit. On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a > fine thing. > > Thanks > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Wed Jul 8 22:12:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD8B1A9042 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ORqXPei_Ipd for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E605C1A901F for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by labgy5 with SMTP id gy5so86563699lab.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 22:12:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nH95AyEM6wSbEa0ua3Rl1K9FkFctNwGiDUf4+ZqNu0k=; b=k29YWYSKlTEmHaWzfCyWME/a6PT34vd0e/6GX9+JHuhGrZh85bkcQpRM9k7n7TsGMH jwxgng35m/0V0FZR8L38NZbQpM0GkbHj3C4exh8RGdEjAfCqk7Pje6eLT1fGpNrw+EaD 6LKlTnJc+RuBrA8PT7Jfm171RdDyqC2J3xLk6cXzrRnyR0MdTU7xica0+IpfddVyNkMT jOzCwmhm6ngwgIHkefwrm8qvz55RE6OSsCPPBMSmLw7dPThFSIs9QY/Nr2C8vtO4sbTx Fuj7gHnDJXHV6OgZocSykpJbJOuLVNa2UEu4oYNpUzEgyipVAXL2zvNwf7FTJSbl9ejK HfZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.23.167 with SMTP id n7mr12905506laf.108.1436418771408; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 22:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.201.131 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:12:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:12:51 +0800 Message-ID: From: KARAN VERMA To: Toerless Eckert Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1 Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 05:12:54 -0000 --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 hello Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hilton Prague, any available public transport or metro. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > according to some web pag terminal 2 somewhere hidden in a corner, > terminal 1 directly at the exit. > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on > > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a > > fine thing. > > > > Thanks > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > -- *Kind Regards, * *Karan Verma * *Research Scholar * *UTP, Malaysia* *Phone: +60-166245082 <%2B60-166245082>* --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 22:21:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE971A906C for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpzBPE6PobnO for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [199.6.1.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CDFB1A9067 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAEE01FCA9F; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CAF716008A; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4072160089; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Sue3w7Cojx_x; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (c122-106-161-187.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.161.187]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F908160058; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rock.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AFD328E8B7; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:20:54 +1000 (EST) To: KARAN VERMA From: Mark Andrews References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:12:51 +0800." Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 15:20:54 +1000 Message-Id: <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> Archived-At: Cc: Toerless Eckert , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 05:21:04 -0000 In message , KARAN VERMA writes: > > hello > > Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hilton Prague, > any available public transport or metro. http://www.hotelembassyprague.cz/en/ea-embassy-prague-hotel/map-and-directions For the Hilton you also want to get off at Florenc (2 blocks from the Hilton). > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > according to some web pag terminal 2 somewhere hidden in a corner, > > terminal 1 directly at the exit. > > > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on > > > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a > > > fine thing. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 93attendees mailing list > > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > > -- > *Kind Regards, * > > *Karan Verma * > *Research Scholar * > *UTP, Malaysia* > *Phone: +60-166245082 <%2B60-166245082>* > > --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >
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> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on
> > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a
> > fine thing.
> >
> > Thanks
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> > --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1-- > > > --===============5333061553322313142== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > --===============5333061553322313142==-- > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:05:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A981A1A9119 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.117 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.793, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eodt1E0Tqv6j for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KBLHUB2.Roshan.af (unknown [203.174.27.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3197A1A911E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KBLEX1.Roshan.af ([10.10.40.51]) by KBLHUB2.Roshan.af ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:36:15 +0430 From: Assadullah Sultanzai To: Mark Andrews Thread-Topic: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? Thread-Index: AQHQugUGZ4QfzV98IEWiOX9JGcRonJ3STFSAgABOAmOAAAvw4A== Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:06:14 +0000 Message-ID: <55536971C12C8F47923EAB910D36C8800125CD0129@kblex1.roshan.af> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.10.13.89] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: KARAN VERMA , Toerless Eckert , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:05:42 -0000 Dear Mark,=20 Can you please give us the real address of " hotel Hilton Prague" so, I che= cked there is so money other hotel in this name also?=20 Best Regards Sultanzai. Assadullah Sultanzai =A0| Sr Engineer, Core Network Operation & Maintenance Roshan House No. 13, Main Street, Wazir Akbar Khan, Kabul, Afghanistan M:=A0 0093 (0) 799 99 2373 T:=A0=A0 0093 (0) 799 97 2373=A0 F: 0093 (0) 799 97 8800 facebook/RoshanConnects Skype ID: Sultanzai88 www.roshan.af =A0 Afghanistan=A0| Burundi | Tanzania | Uganda Send Money, Pay a Bill or Buy Airtime - Dial *111# - It's that Simple Sign up for M-Paisa - It's FREE! -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark A= ndrews Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:51 AM To: KARAN VERMA Cc: Toerless Eckert; 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? 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> >=20 > --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1-- >=20 >=20 > --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D5333061553322313142=3D=3D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D5333061553322313142=3D=3D-= - >=20 -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:10:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97321A912F for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DA6RfMOWjDF for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C56BB1A9115 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pactm7 with SMTP id tm7so144831269pac.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:09:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=WjgM+rhgXFHfGGBNWfakQELbJKnh4BUEoVPVElx4Ya4=; b=t2RxWQlaVTcU1FDjpzhbnj0I5ZOWTWHDmDpnHeGb7Q859EHd9f7wDCxWzNn3i23Z2o uc7/ExWsBvhtvwMu5EfBm1P5QytPFUypMGUmL5Nd4REa5YrYnKByy123DxbGoVczwPlv TJaAETkULRR5pDoY1bgysxnI9/R3tjg/EpzcDMviTWC4SV7U+MqZEmaXaGlo/cD8fQ3O y3W4zdMTtcJDks2TCtQGOjdA6KCahYNt1KzbZhI1vR7VEiI5ECSdr34e/P8FYXPW7+ki C047wmlur5kjOm8wUyGEglsIFV+jll3zWmV3nLNIZpyPwoiafIAeh02wAQ5gC3RbU2/7 pvtw== X-Received: by 10.66.185.199 with SMTP id fe7mr28355344pac.48.1436422194422; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.89.225] ([131.203.247.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xo3sm4508383pbb.74.2015.07.08.23.09.47 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C143AFC7-6337-45B7-AC1D-03FAD1152817"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <55536971C12C8F47923EAB910D36C8800125CD0129@kblex1.roshan.af> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 18:09:34 +1200 Message-Id: References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> <55536971C12C8F47923EAB910D36C8800125CD0129@kblex1.roshan.af> To: Assadullah Sultanzai X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: KARAN VERMA , Toerless Eckert , Bob Hinden , Mark Andrews , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:09:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C143AFC7-6337-45B7-AC1D-03FAD1152817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, The address is, as would be expected, on the IETF web site. See: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/93/hotel.html Bob > On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Assadullah Sultanzai = wrote: >=20 > Dear Mark, >=20 > Can you please give us the real address of " hotel Hilton Prague" so, = I checked there is so money other hotel in this name also? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best Regards Sultanzai. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Assadullah Sultanzai | Sr Engineer, Core Network Operation & = Maintenance >=20 > Roshan > House No. 13, Main Street, Wazir Akbar Khan, Kabul, Afghanistan > M: 0093 (0) 799 99 2373 > T: 0093 (0) 799 97 2373 F: 0093 (0) 799 97 8800 > facebook/RoshanConnects > Skype ID: Sultanzai88 > www.roshan.af >=20 > Afghanistan | Burundi | Tanzania | Uganda >=20 > Send Money, Pay a Bill or Buy Airtime - Dial *111# - It's that Simple > Sign up for M-Paisa - It's FREE! >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Mark Andrews > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:51 AM > To: KARAN VERMA > Cc: Toerless Eckert; 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? >=20 >=20 > In message = > , KARAN VERMA writes: >>=20 >> hello >>=20 >> Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hilton Prague, >> any available public transport or metro. >=20 > = http://www.hotelembassyprague.cz/en/ea-embassy-prague-hotel/map-and-direct= ions >=20 > For the Hilton you also want to get off at Florenc (2 blocks from the = Hilton). >=20 >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Toerless Eckert = wrote: >>=20 >>> according to some web pag terminal 2 somewhere hidden in a corner, >>> terminal 1 directly at the exit. >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>>> CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on ATMs >>>> in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a fine >>>> thing. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 93attendees mailing list >>>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 93attendees mailing list >>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> *Kind Regards, * >>=20 >> *Karan Verma * >> *Research Scholar * >> *UTP, Malaysia* >> *Phone: +60-166245082 <%2B60-166245082>* >>=20 >> --089e0160a5e69e5c56051a6a4ea1 >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>=20 >>
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>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter = wrote:
>> > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on
>> > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be >> a
> fine thing.
>
> Thanks
>> >=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0Brian
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > 93attendees mailing list
>> > > href=3D3D"mailto:93attendees@ietf.org">93attendees@ietf.org
>> > > rel=3D3D"n=3D oreferrer" >> target=3D3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attend=3D >> ees
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Thread-Index: AdC6D5PH5Hy2amVYQB2x3kyB6dl4ww== Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:22:07 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.76.176] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B48A8DB630nkgeml507mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:22:17 -0000 --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B48A8DB630nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech koruna, E= uro or both? Thanks:) --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B48A8DB630nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

Could somebody tell me what c= urrency should I take with me, Czech koruna, Euro or both?

ThanksJ

--_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B48A8DB630nkgeml507mbxchi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:30:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE121A92EA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UzGGpvt6yW1B for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22b.google.com (mail-pd0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C5AE1A92E6 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pddu5 with SMTP id u5so72169371pdd.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:30:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=GUKrSawV6NSZZuhShvb1bpV8wiInGEQyHdsEcmMNn88=; b=csjahOMSX871MOOZgzAdwtJBXOFLmQOmMvm9LbyY7/nKl72KRME3SNzIIyzTnWWaSo OVZL0kxf6EJChj5piqrz62WIY3t2/+esU9xFvD/WTGG/SO9nkmt0Umcx0DJYEog9DgH6 rtz2La/hsX6c8TltB+xRDPN4Wc3BXSgXOdlmi3f6n3feP+sM6owTbomU8xqL3+XDWosz HHyOewmlOUdW5oZcL8tdotNTINZaGvjPqgH3jJ6PfvAddpQPTRq+g+wpEofzhuLP247B lqcFZKmj//+mbD3f4tBvKJ8MxLNp3SrOEj0TrQdtV8Y+bQ/hGk0dMW3BHILujU7qw/X2 kKCQ== X-Received: by 10.70.128.226 with SMTP id nr2mr28182086pdb.139.1436423426749; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.89.225] ([131.203.247.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pe3sm4607964pdb.55.2015.07.08.23.30.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Jul 2015 23:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4CCB40C1-7EC6-49F0-8DE4-D9E2F85FB036"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 18:30:15 +1200 Message-Id: <6EAB2058-9010-43BB-A404-8A12DEB33FF9@gmail.com> References: To: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: Bob Hinden , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:30:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4CCB40C1-7EC6-49F0-8DE4-D9E2F85FB036 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jackie, The host created a nice web site (linked to on the IETF site) at = http://www.ietf93.cz It includes info on the currency, which is the Czech crown (K=C4=8D). = Lots of other useful info on Prague as well. Bob > On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, > Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech = koruna, Euro or both? > ThanksJ > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail=_4CCB40C1-7EC6-49F0-8DE4-D9E2F85FB036 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVnhT3AAoJEK7rdBF357uocioH/jDYOESaPZILhrzRXIvLFk8f SMq5J0NNYpElUy24wTsvHHKdJfqmysAWAtJckfTlx1m28o/OXNIEjXWoKPDMoZcG 5lrbNJbQhQ3+e+Itot0pgukFrzIwbYinOR1W49OmGwfZxr7CG08PyWXTkgv4bm6p gY1JpIIwuYlpvk3fQoxc9QfTvJbF8aVzVF2h+l/KIIX1ffDvrvZVbaMNIuVPFAXb Wj4wZjBBVp5UsbZJwVYcOcgezGCPSaFDYiL0HrfzuoofrrlvfkHqtQ2TKkcsmM5B /GeB1NY+A1njjJ/OgzfTC/3bEehOrWS6YdXHGloxoRXWg00n0e3dgogOFUGhV/s= =pdw1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4CCB40C1-7EC6-49F0-8DE4-D9E2F85FB036-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:39:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D031A92F1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zzKMQs9D2cn2 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [149.20.64.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 766D61A92EA for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C4823493A5; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B0A0160055; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B030160089; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id qbb1MmwK7zEX; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (c122-106-161-187.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.161.187]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABD5D160055; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rock.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09681328FDE7; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:39:06 +1000 (EST) To: Bob Hinden From: Mark Andrews References: <6EAB2058-9010-43BB-A404-8A12DEB33FF9@gmail.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:30:15 +1200." <6EAB2058-9010-43BB-A404-8A12DEB33FF9@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:39:05 +1000 Message-Id: <20150709063906.09681328FDE7@rock.dv.isc.org> Archived-At: Cc: "Weixinpeng \(Jackie\)" , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:39:12 -0000 In message <6EAB2058-9010-43BB-A404-8A12DEB33FF9@gmail.com>, Bob Hinden writes: > > Jackie, > > The host created a nice web site (linked to on the IETF site) at > http://www.ietf93.cz > > It includes info on the currency, which is the Czech crown (Kč). Lots of > other useful info on Prague as well. > > Bob Add to that there is the wiki https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf93 -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:40:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF811A92EA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0p4Z-S1prPm for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C18E71A1EEA for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BYO06917; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:39:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:39:58 +0100 Received: from NKGEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.75]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:39:53 +0800 From: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" To: Bob Hinden Thread-Topic: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:41:35 -0000 Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like high-end hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely to get it at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are in Prague. -- Vinayak On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > Hi all, > > Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech koruna, > Euro or both? > > ThanksJ > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:43:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC161A9308 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RMe_2piWF9rS for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 633271A92FE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BUY02933; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:42:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:42:54 +0100 Received: from NKGEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.75]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:42:50 +0800 From: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" To: Mark Andrews , Bob Hinden Thread-Topic: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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Thread-Index: AdC6D5PH5Hy2amVYQB2x3kyB6dl4w///f1EA//95fTA= Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.76.176] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:43:23 -0000 Thanks Vinayak, Get it! >-----Original Message----- >From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Vinayak Hegde >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM >To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) >Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > >Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does >not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what >everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like high-= end >hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely to = get it >at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. > >If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are in >Prague. > >-- Vinayak > >On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech >> koruna, Euro or both? >> >> ThanksJ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> > >_______________________________________________ >93attendees mailing list >93attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:52:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C971AC3B3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNO4JVwzX4Yl for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A52241AC3B2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1908; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436424748; x=1437634348; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=q1dB0ctuAh6NEGezqJEGjgxQQCxEzboCaQ7v3PM2ihE=; b=JUy558ii/WJtUXC3+1rBdOmkiB9MmOpl9ORuJ3Le2M7RXWFJ/MlQfRC3 FfMCfQIcJgnZb8wm+4z5EqDXkA/6crawDVxKA2kFwIHPzd+2V9YutOKvA vYBk4zMYklqLGO6l4zp/hpVMUxJo6+z01yk/n8l3hqtYwfjwCAxrzL4P2 o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BgAwCzGZ5V/4gNJK1bgxJUYLseCYFmCoUtSgKBWDgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQEEAQEBNy8BBAsMBAsRBAEBAQkeBw8FEx8JDhOILg3NcAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARMEi0uFBgcGhCUFjRmHE4t/AYE8k0qDXyaEGx4xgksBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,437,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="167000487" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Jul 2015 06:52:27 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t696qRKU015389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:52:27 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t696qQ8a031849; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:26 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t696qQxU031848; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:52:26 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" Message-ID: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: Vinayak Hegde , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:52:31 -0000 Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > Thanks Vinayak, Get it! > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > >Vinayak Hegde > >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM > >To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) > >Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > >Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > > >Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does > >not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what > >everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like high-end > >hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely to get it > >at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. > > > >If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are in > >Prague. > > > >-- Vinayak > > > >On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) > > wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech > >> koruna, Euro or both? > >> > >> ThanksJ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 93attendees mailing list > >> 93attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >93attendees mailing list > >93attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:59:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA8B1AC3C7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X925zDRCmkkF for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD22B1AC3C5 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 23:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BYO08584; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.73) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:59:25 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.117]) by SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:59:17 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" Thread-Topic: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:47:17 -0000 This might help. http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Czech_Republic Yoav > On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Sunil Gandhewar = wrote: >=20 > What are the possible phone cards in Prague for local and = international calling? >=20 > Regards, > Sunil Gandhewar >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Thu Jul 9 03:37:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54651AD061 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4XsAIVFgnr3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5B881AD060 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.labs.nic.cz (unknown [195.113.220.110]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2104F1816BC; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:37:24 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436438244; bh=asoLqTdj4hStOfYkTn7fugOTMYnzP5JH/OgNqTiuvR4=; h=From:Date:To; b=hy7fhacccIjGKRxHSBmHXApbRUesaOViqrGxC8PkEN1ayAd3ycc3BIJWnRnbZgSnG WDcHby/dMjArcurzYb33z65Us4HtuasHaiSE3Y9iPisaB8Q1v2YpTEG7rYXTY4MN25 839zE/7jLxGBxfwn37QQxJVMj9FdycAcH+cBrYRQ= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:37:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:37:28 -0000 > On 09 Jul 2015, at 07:05, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > according to some web pag terminal 2 somewhere hidden in a corner, > terminal 1 directly at the exit. That=E2=80=99s right, Terminal 2 at the very end of the hall on the = right. Terminal 2 is for arrivals from Schengen countries. Several ATM = machines are then inside the Dejvicka metro station (take bus 119 to get = there from the airport). Cheers, Lada >=20 > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:53:38PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on >> ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a >> fine thing. >>=20 >> Thanks >> Brian >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Thu Jul 9 04:30:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093841AD28D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 04:30:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1CSctreF_hUP for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 04:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 202A81AD277 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 04:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:1488:fffe:6:3850:6c8c:e601:33f6] (unknown [IPv6:2001:1488:fffe:6:3850:6c8c:e601:33f6]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49B53180BF4 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:30:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436441441; bh=8DcnejVgi5xajd3BR5jaiSKMp9McDqckCv/ZXClSn1U=; h=Date:From:To; b=gSONOqCEMJJs3QVcDw2ZEfLRUma0fCGDKzAB++Is+YlQnOldJ5Ix2vqcyunL9VXMj qU585S+9xjzlsLe+rHSfzcAW/SQebMjXaXldDnYfLt64LUum9ISOE9729NXTH3zE4E pGkGNz30kjOvCeTbifofzEy+6xjflXUZ1OLgpABQ= Message-ID: <559E5B5F.6000001@nic.cz> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:30:39 +0200 From: Ondrej Mikle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 11:30:46 -0000 On 07/09/2015 07:20 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message > , KARAN VERMA writes: >> >> hello >> >> Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hilton Prague, >> any available public transport or metro. > > http://www.hotelembassyprague.cz/en/ea-embassy-prague-hotel/map-and-directions > > For the Hilton you also want to get off at Florenc (2 blocks from the Hilton). There is also online search for public transport connections that folks might find helpful in Prague: http://spojeni.dpp.cz/ConnForm.aspx?cl=E5 For anyone wishing to use it more extensively there's option of 1 day (110 CZK) or 3 day (310 CZK) passes that can be bought at newspaper stands/tobacco shops. Ondrej From nobody Thu Jul 9 07:57:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AF41B2A48 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id thU9vLyCy7o4 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22b.google.com (mail-la0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B981B2A47 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagc2 with SMTP id c2so245048635lag.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=g7zQRDp+QbQwdxRyNXnjf2kAbKt7MybkNuiJkgfcWW8=; b=O3XXf9KL4p/8LxGB5KKbuQ7Ir30yzA5TSR7n9/4VYdU/jbG7GAt9GkmnipJrZtsGFR HrDpfsYkgPuQeav6YYk+C5hbNhUO9OS1XxMjdNVes419Y8rIh/jZ+hAJ+ZFXWeaFZg1e T2Q0AM+e0jPKEW0HwFCFBpGhzt5kHHLun+gSzzZY7cQcMtupKe0mXhXe9qGP6tllie1L SGRhE6/AoAF65hq4aJvxWNnp98jPocN/ZZgqsDeWITk44vshPBTGfshXXgE0FSKpkwC/ VWKHRhlpelypiGfwbNZc+vf6PLl+EarOI8xdowDsstZ4ahuxaHwhB+3+mZcYBjX1FLg8 vi/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.181.34 with SMTP id dt2mr15156681lac.84.1436453800616; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.183.136 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Derick Winkworth Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11341b4685ab9f051a727683 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:56:44 -0000 --001a11341b4685ab9f051a727683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, Toerless. http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html That site has other products too for secure traveling. Derick On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your > cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing > in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > > Thanks Vinayak, Get it! > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > >Vinayak Hegde > > >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM > > >To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) > > >Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > > >Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > > > > >Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but > does > > >not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is > what > > >everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like > high-end > > >hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely > to get it > > >at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. > > > > > >If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are > in > > >Prague. > > > > > >-- Vinayak > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) > > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech > > >> koruna, Euro or both? > > >> > > >> ThanksJ > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> 93attendees mailing list > > >> 93attendees@ietf.org > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >93attendees mailing list > > >93attendees@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > --001a11341b4685ab9f051a727683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, Toer= less. =C2=A0


That site has other prod= ucts too for secure traveling.

Derick
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On Wed, Jul 8, 201= 5 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:
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Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your
cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing
in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF.

On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote:
> Thanks Vinayak, Get it!
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> >Vinayak Hegde
> >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM
> >To: Weixinpeng (Jackie)
> >Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org
> >Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?<= br> > >
> >Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) b= ut does
> >not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. T= hat is what
> >everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions li= ke high-end
> >hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are li= kely to get it
> >at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna= .
> >
> >If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you= are in
> >Prague.
> >
> >-- Vinayak
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie)
> ><weixinpeng@huawei.com= > wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, C= zech
> >> koruna, Euro or both?
> >>
> >> ThanksJ
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> 93attendees mailing list
> >> 93attendees@ietf.org<= /a>
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo= /93attendees
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >93attendees mailing list
> >93attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93a= ttendees
>
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> 93attendees@ietf.org
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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:48:34 -0000 The backpack looks tempting. One other thing i was trying to find but couldn't so far: I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my backback and get alerted when it moves away from me/cellphone. Alas, my cellphone does not support BT BLE, and all i could find are the newer nicer BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old school BT ? Thanks! Toerless On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:34:14PM +0000, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > I haven't seen any comments on this so far? > > Behcet > > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:57 AM > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, Toerless. > > http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html > > That site has other products too for secure traveling. > > Derick > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert > wrote: > > Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your > cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing > in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > > Thanks Vinayak, Get it! > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > >Vinayak Hegde > > >Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM > > >To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) > > >Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > > >Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > > > > >Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does > > >not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what > > >everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like high-end > > >hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely to get it > > >at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. > > > > > >If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are in > > >Prague. > > > > > >-- Vinayak > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) > > >> wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech > > >> koruna, Euro or both? > > >> > > >> ThanksJ > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> 93attendees mailing list > > >> 93attendees@ietf.org > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >93attendees mailing list > > >93attendees@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Thu Jul 9 12:54:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658151A00C0 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2flGC49REJY for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out5.uio.no (mail-out5.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 974A11A00BF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-mx1.uio.no ([129.240.10.29]) by mail-out5.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDHu8-00031b-Lv for 93attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:54:44 +0200 Received: from 1x-193-157-215-189.uio.no ([193.157.215.189]) by mail-mx1.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) user naeemk (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDHu8-0007Jm-BZ for 93attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:54:44 +0200 Message-ID: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:54:24 +0200 From: Naeem Khademi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UiO-SPF-Received: X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 1 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 2 sum msgs/h 1 total rcpts 4386 max rcpts/h 50 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.1, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.076, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 263024F25DED10F3FA3CDC394A87F6AFF584DE01 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 193.157.215.189 spam_score: -60 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 18 max/h 3 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 X-UiOonly: BE44C9FEF53A248B519B940BFC1B512B081EB21D Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:54:48 -0000 Hi Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? Regards, Naeem From nobody Thu Jul 9 13:24:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1591A012D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.15 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9kaEJF2T1DWp for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAA381A0122 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t69KOAN2001683 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alma.local (p5DCCC755.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.199.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3mS89Q3CNRz3GFY; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:24:08 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.1 (Macintosh/20150514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:24:17 -0000 Toerless Eckert wrote: > Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your > cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing > in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. Actually, you are much more likely to lose things in Barcelona or other touristy parts of Spain. And don't get me started about Paris (or ask the poor attendees of IETF 63.) Nice article about how Europe is different from the US here*): https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/03/pickpockets_are.html (slightly higher idiot coefficient in the comments than normal on Schneier's blog.) In summary: You are not in Kansas anymore. Normal street smarts in European capital cities includes paying attention, and not exposing your valuables. If somebody in your vicinity does something that doesn't make sense, they are probably trying to steal (and that may include the stunning lady asking you out for a drink). But there is no need for special paranoia in Prague; it's just a European capital. Grüße, Carsten *) But he probably didn't get the reason right. But that's off-topic (and for some people probably also "political" :-) From nobody Thu Jul 9 13:36:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B7C1A0167 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxydMnB0QTMg for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A28981A0163 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDIYN-00046g-PQ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:36:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:36:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:36:23 -0000 i have traveled a bit. i consider praha one of the be careful towns; but, as you say, that's not rare. at least it's not a US city, where they might kill you for your wallet. randy From nobody Thu Jul 9 14:19:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5E1A037B for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eOVcFooBizf6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.arubanetworks.com (sjcbarracuda02.arubanetworks.com [104.36.248.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06A191A0273 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:19:05 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1436476743-03d1346c94aa7e0002-Sm57G0 Received: from sjc-exch10hc-01.arubanetworks.com ([10.1.8.45]) by mx02.arubanetworks.com with ESMTP id V85kYm9DaGMYeChC (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: dharkins@arubanetworks.com Received: from shasta.arubanetworks.com ([fe80::1053:3055:eabc:ceb9]) by sjc-exch10hc-01.arubanetworks.com ([fe80::58e7:e72c:3b0d:5534%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:19:03 -0700 From: Daniel Harkins To: Carsten Bormann , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:19:07 -0000 --_000_D1C4305A1E8FEdharkinsarubanetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/9/15, 1:24 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Carsten Bormann" <93attendees= -bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cabo@tz= i.org> wrote: Toerless Eckert wrote: Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. Actually, you are much more likely to lose things in Barcelona or other touristy parts of Spain. And don't get me started about Paris (or ask the poor attendees of IETF 63.) There are probably as many stories like this as there are cities. Prague= is a lovely city and there is really nothing out of the ordinary to worry abou= t. It=92s as safe as any other large city. Nice article about how Europe is different from the US here*): https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/03/pickpockets_are.html (slightly higher idiot coefficient in the comments than normal on Schneier's blog.) In summary: You are not in Kansas anymore. Normal street smarts in European capital cities includes paying attention, and not exposing your valuables. If somebody in your vicinity does something that doesn't make sense, they are probably trying to steal (and that may include the stunning lady asking you out for a drink). But there is no need for special paranoia in Prague; it's just a European capital. Anything odd and distracting is a cue to reach for your wallet, phone, ca= mera etc. Like a mob of about 20 little kids who are really insistent about shov= ing newspapers in your face. That means one of the urchins is rifling through your bag, or stealthily snipping the strap and running off with it. Dan. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten *) But he probably didn't get the reason right. But that's off-topic (and for some people probably also "political" :-) _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --_000_D1C4305A1E8FEdharkinsarubanetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <63D4E9320FE606468574AAEAAB58C0FF@arubanetworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Toerless Eckert wrote:
Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your
cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing<= /div>
in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF.

If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most=
dangerous city for you.  That's how people perceive risk.

Actually, you are much more likely to lose things in Barcelona or othe= r
touristy parts of Spain.  And don't get me started about Par= is (or ask
the poor attendees of IETF 63.)

  There are probably as many stories like this as there are citie= s.  Prague is
a lovely city and there is really nothing out of the ordinary to worry= about.
It=92s as safe as any other large city.

Nice article about how Europe is different from the US here*):
(slightly higher idiot coefficient in the comments than normal on
Schneier's blog.)

In summary: You are not in Kansas anymore.  Normal street sm= arts in
European capital cities includes paying attention, and not exposing yo= ur
valuables.  If somebody in your vicinity does something that= doesn't
make sense, they are probably trying to steal (and that may include th= e
stunning lady asking you out for a drink).  But there is no = need for
special paranoia in Prague; it's just a European capital.

  Anything odd and distracting is a cue to reach for your wallet,= phone, camera
etc. Like a mob of about 20 little kids who are really insistent about= shoving
newspapers in your face. That means one of the urchins is rifling thro= ugh
your bag, or stealthily snipping the strap and running off with it.

  Dan.

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten

*) But he probably didn't get the reason right.  But that's = off-topic
(and for some people probably also "political" :-)

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 --_000_D1C4305A1E8FEdharkinsarubanetworkscom_-- From nobody Thu Jul 9 14:31:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74A01A03E3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFEIie5v49hW for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D3041A03C7 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by labgy5 with SMTP id gy5so101937341lab.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=5ZUwo27tAvQr8STnq6pxkQB1Q68ByhJ8TDnne9xJRzw=; b=Y78s76+ZSCeJtQn1U4kvtdA+/TGssFvsMQp+Js4aoeJk1pbZEJqJAJygSet2jsv2mR tBAWH+zoKufbhQIDugV3DdO7FCc9JvgAkiG4WwyvPqgJIICYpIPGQywveSeQmz3a+VhG paAqocClrMfgsGdNpxNXh61BFdAn3OlVqPDbY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5ZUwo27tAvQr8STnq6pxkQB1Q68ByhJ8TDnne9xJRzw=; b=UnxouLntgT7dFCx2OXXRMBcHX/H7fnaqqZKTDaA/v6YDHwt0jm1WNtAZ+PY3oFv9Ey yu+pvy+g49r3KgVlJW7K0UR56lYxoZ+r3j1fGuUFJo6VFhAze9bjSOsKQGnyiQNOxBme GOLTq71IUSUrrJBluFGrLGs/RyJyDHdqz9oCWQh5wLKcItw1DgSxmUdQY7KlFVyeijZd eh25+ddAmPWclr3dRR7hxGDm791cqyKxqR6y/VW69TpkePHpL0u+BPoJIsxm9TUUXe2l wKUtvD3N1c2oONh/VPhQqTDGl0U+9D7P1wgOh3mR4NtwT0pM2hDKcOBBtc9Kg1S8MRfW MqoA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmNLzCF2d581LpRupiLM+COBRIHi59IUMadY9bIYnniKNTmTnhQrcHLazwPyMDN3KUcFgjv X-Received: by 10.152.43.17 with SMTP id s17mr13573229lal.101.1436477478705; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.125.135 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:30:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150709194824.GA27147@cisco.com> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <6FBCD28690577C4582AFC9B477428E863028A627@dfweml706-chm> <20150709194824.GA27147@cisco.com> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:30:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Behcet Sarikaya , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. 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I suspect you'd want a number of folks using this thin in Prague before it's useful. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist Center for Democracy & Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 joe@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Thu Jul 9 14:36:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0C41A049A for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wLe6hivdEyvk for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:36:08 -0000 > On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >=20 >> I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my backback and get alerted >> when it moves away from me/cellphone. >>=20 >> Alas, my cellphone does not support BT BLE, and all i could find are >> the newer nicer BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old school BT = ? >=20 > There are other products in this line (e.g., thetileapp.com and about > 10 other similar things), and one that might better suit this use > case: As I was commenting to Toerless off-thread, Tile doesn't signal you when = you leave range. It is handy if you misplace something though, but this = wouldn't help the theft case. -- Jeff From nobody Thu Jul 9 22:00:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CF41A88BA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:00:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N35D7G30YfBz for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net (gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net [87.238.49.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE991A88B8 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3E4C11F5 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id ZRWB-IVJ5Y4b; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C81C1233; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net Received: from gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id nI8f0D4ze0Pn; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from envy.fud.no (cm-84.209.85.233.getinternet.no [84.209.85.233]) by gallus.zimbra.h.bitbit.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AAEEEC11F5; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:00:08 +0200 From: Tore Anderson To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <20150710070008.101a1cda@envy.fud.no> In-Reply-To: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> References: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> Organization: Redpill Linpro X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:00:14 -0000 > Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. Tore From nobody Fri Jul 10 00:07:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8DB1A890E for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.238 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.238 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wXgRCmrYM0H3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3C41A8905 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:a18b:d8f:24ed:d1d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:a18b:d8f:24ed:d1d]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B0DE181462; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:07:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436512037; bh=RN7bTfJVk4rFBmiI+mVZIq8C+LfOeP6T1RdxInOyPZE=; h=From:Date:To; b=hRdyA/Grh+yKvNgm/s00iyWT04uxobzrKGKdzgf38i9UAJJiN7XKnLgqOewQV8isk 5v9RL5MoZ8Iz2bc8H9JxIdjVGFSzJ/jLIcM8ghJ1gK8mwdWFm1xufpPDJbv5+SBfGw +oj/f8RsRaqMlw19Q3RIB5J0BuPUre+lpNaAJtWk= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:07:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:07:21 -0000 > On 09 Jul 2015, at 22:24, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > Toerless Eckert wrote: >> Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your >> cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing >> in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. >=20 > If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most > dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. >=20 > Actually, you are much more likely to lose things in Barcelona or = other > touristy parts of Spain. And don't get me started about Paris (or ask > the poor attendees of IETF 63.) Absolutely. One has to exercise some care in the metro, especially = during rush hours, but otherwise I=E2=80=99d say Prague is pretty safe. Of course, the more you look and behave like a wealthy foreign tourist, = the more attention of pickpockets you are likely to receive. Lada >=20 > Nice article about how Europe is different from the US here*): > https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/03/pickpockets_are.html > (slightly higher idiot coefficient in the comments than normal on > Schneier's blog.) >=20 > In summary: You are not in Kansas anymore. Normal street smarts in > European capital cities includes paying attention, and not exposing = your > valuables. If somebody in your vicinity does something that doesn't > make sense, they are probably trying to steal (and that may include = the > stunning lady asking you out for a drink). But there is no need for > special paranoia in Prague; it's just a European capital. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > *) But he probably didn't get the reason right. But that's off-topic > (and for some people probably also "political" :-) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Fri Jul 10 00:42:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ABB1A892E for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Umk6O4Vr86TM for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E67A1A892A for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgck11 with SMTP id k11so242360407wgc.0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=DZSqrgCilV2DCz9S4IcTcd1pi9SrPMFQ+aUVl1TdMvw=; b=RrdMJmDmVgn9Gmm+J1qPQIAXa7sJ/m9DXyRmNsnHcggvTCModzQil7rYPdQNVm7fez JJgW/0i+q3Ii5ARwkvjFHP1XcrDvSnMrX5/0mc6XYrRX3HGGHPkq0rO4p6DUHEr6MMuF pib0kkvcxmhQiPhwbWAc09GGXRpwZEoVcEwuFSyep1Rx+KlvFZIKfnuqCDiV2WgvMrEA IXoCwOXCzHBJ6iHHJRliWCbNR1xkuXJ1WHo6HGk+U5vYcR4GYz5NzSbAXo7pK828pgUi PHWDLz4UGfvSjQ87bCFNlP5UBXbCV23UKwdxXFlfPcw1ZUPSE44UY1DOCNZIRPVc+j3A QNwQ== X-Received: by 10.194.58.109 with SMTP id p13mr41337252wjq.36.1436514126231; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.15] ([46.120.13.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gb16sm1652420wic.5.2015.07.10.00.42.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:42:03 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60677F4F-322A-4EFF-9B75-2E1E211DB05D@gmail.com> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> To: Ladislav Lhotka X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Carsten Bormann , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:42:09 -0000 On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Of course, the more you look and behave like a wealthy foreign = tourist, the more attention of pickpockets you are likely to receive. Like carrying an expensive bag with lots and lots of anti-theft = features? :-) Yoav From nobody Fri Jul 10 00:58:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B051A8951 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qdSAeFMls4oq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACFEA1A8944 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:58:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6A7w14a021828; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:58:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alma.local (p5DCCC755.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.199.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3mSRZ15zJyz3Gt9; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <559F7B08.7070600@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:58:00 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.1 (Macintosh/20150514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoav Nir References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> <60677F4F-322A-4EFF-9B75-2E1E211DB05D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60677F4F-322A-4EFF-9B75-2E1E211DB05D@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Ladislav Lhotka , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:58:08 -0000 Yoav Nir wrote: > Like carrying an expensive bag with lots and lots of anti-theft features? :-) +1 (Or how about "mouth-breathing obliviates with protruding wallets and gaping purses who advertise their naiveté with every particle of their beings"? http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/barcelona-pickpocket-problem/ ) Grüße, Carsten From nobody Fri Jul 10 00:59:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1A51A8951 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:59:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.739 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1TKXQjpy0tc for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz (ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz [93.153.104.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6AE91A8943 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Roub=ED=E8ek_Zden=ECk?= To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? Thread-Index: AQHQugNDaygyZ7yGYEGXTSku+vJA/p3SdDGAgAACD4CAACPn2YAARaiAgAFtMMA= Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:59:06 +0000 Message-ID: <86475fa50b9e4bb5a1fb46bf6b9a1ac0@srvhk408.rdm.cz> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> <20150709050529.GI27147@cisco.com> <20150709052054.A5AFD328E8B7@rock.dv.isc.org> <559E5B5F.6000001@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: <559E5B5F.6000001@nic.cz> Accept-Language: en-GB, cs-CZ, en-US Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.246.107.50] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_86475fa50b9e4bb5a1fb46bf6b9a1ac0srvhk408rdmcz_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:59:15 -0000 --_005_86475fa50b9e4bb5a1fb46bf6b9a1ac0srvhk408rdmcz_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_86475fa50b9e4bb5a1fb46bf6b9a1ac0srvhk408rdmcz_" --_000_86475fa50b9e4bb5a1fb46bf6b9a1ac0srvhk408rdmcz_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone I just got the trip through Prague's Airport/Letiste Vaclava Havla/ and had= a chance to check for ATM's, as I saw this email. To assure you there are = plenty of them, few before you even leave the restricted zone and few are i= n the main hall. I would dare to say, that they are well visible or there a= re multiple signs to direct you there. Transport: Here is the map of the public transport stops around Prague's Airport. http://www.dpp.cz/en/public-transit-to-prague-airport/ You can use this page for the public transport search inside Prague and nea= r surroundings - as already someone mentioned. http://spojeni.dpp.cz/ConnForm.aspx?tt=3DPID&cl=3DE5 Be aware that Pragues Airport has been renamed to "Letiste Vaclava Havla" w= hich is sometimes still confusing. As to the travel to the Hotel Public transport - bus 119 and then Metro station. You need to change the l= ines first the green one, change to red one and leave at the station Floren= c, expect travel time about 50 minutes with few more additional delays to b= e expected. Or you can use direct AE bus, which goes to the city centre - but this one = does not leave as often as the first one, but get's you to the walking dist= ance from the Hiltone hotel. http://www.dpp.cz/en/bus-ae-airport-express/ Taxi - in my opinion well organized and you should not be affraid that they= will try to rob you, prices are say little higher but still decent. I woul= d expect to pay for one way trip about 500-600CZK, say 20-25EUR (anyone ple= ase correct me on this if I am wrong!) In case you travel and have a mobile data you may try to check this app PUB= TRAN for public transport search https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcz.fhejl.pubtran&hl=3Dcs - = not sure if there is an english version, sorry for that. Wish you a safe and pleasant trip to Prague! Regards, zdenek > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ondrej Mikle > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 1:31 PM > To: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? > > On 07/09/2015 07:20 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message > > = > > > , KARAN VERMA writes: > >> > >> hello > >> > >> Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hilton Prague, > >> any available public transport or metro. > > > > http://www.hotelembassyprague.cz/en/ea-embassy-prague-hotel/map-and- > di > > rections > > > > For the Hilton you also want to get off at Florenc (2 blocks from the > Hilton). > > There is also online search for public transport connections that folks > might find helpful in Prague: > > http://spojeni.dpp.cz/ConnForm.aspx?cl=3DE5 > > For anyone wishing to use it more extensively there's option of 1 day > (110 CZK) or 3 day (310 CZK) passes that can be bought at newspaper > stands/tobacco shops. > > Ondrej > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees Z=E1sady komunikace, kter=E9 spole=E8nost T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. u=BE= =EDv=E1 p=F8i sjedn=E1v=E1n=ED smluv, jsou uvedeny zde. 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Hello everyone
 
I just got the trip through Prague's Airport/Letiste Vaclava Havla/ an= d had a chance to check for ATM's, as I saw this email. To assure you there= are plenty of them, few before you even leave the restricted zone and few = are in the main hall. I would dare to say, that they are well visible or there are multiple signs to direct yo= u there.
 
Transport:
 
Here is the map of the public transport stops around Prague's Airport.=
You can use this page for the public transport search inside Prague an= d near surroundings - as already someone mentioned.
 
Be aware that Pragues Airport has been renamed to "Letiste Vaclav= a Havla" which is sometimes still confusing.
 
 
As to the travel to the Hotel
Public transport - bus 119 and then Metro station. You need to change = the lines first the green one, change to red one and leave at the station F= lorenc, expect travel time about 50 minutes with few more additional delays= to be expected.
 
Or you can use direct AE bus, which goes to the city centre - but this= one does not leave as often as the first one, but get's you to the walking= distance from the Hiltone hotel.
http://www.dpp.cz/en/bus-ae-airport-express/
 
Taxi - in my opinion well organized and you should not be affraid that= they will try to rob you, prices are say little higher but still decent. I= would expect to pay for one way trip about 500-600CZK, say 20-25EUR (anyon= e please correct me on this if I am wrong!)
 
In case you travel and have a mobile data you may try to check this ap= p PUBTRAN for public transport search
https://play.google.com/store/ap= ps/details?id=3Dcz.fhejl.pubtran&hl=3Dcs - not sure if t= here is an english version, sorry for that.
 
Wish you a safe and pleasant trip to Prague!
 
Regards, zdenek
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Ondrej Mikle
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport?
>
> On 07/09/2015 07:20 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > In message
> > , KARAN VERMA writes:
> >>
> >> hello
> >>
> >> Can provide info on how can reach terminal 2 to hotel Hi= lton Prague,
> >> any available public transport or metro.
> >
> di
> > rections
> >
> > For the Hilton you also want to get off at Florenc (2 blocks= from the
> Hilton).
>
> There is also online search for public transport connections that= folks
> might find helpful in Prague:
>
>
> For anyone wishing to use it more extensively there's option of 1= day
> (110 CZK) or 3 day (310 CZK) passes that can be bought at newspap= er
> stands/tobacco shops.
>
> Ondrej
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:01:15 +0100 From: Nigel Titley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <559ED868.2000208@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: X-Opacus-Archived: none X-Opacus-Archived: none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:01:22 -0000 On 10/07/15 08:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> On 09 Jul 2015, at 22:24, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >> Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your >>> cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing >>> in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. >> >> If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most >> dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. >> >> Actually, you are much more likely to lose things in Barcelona or other >> touristy parts of Spain. And don't get me started about Paris (or ask >> the poor attendees of IETF 63.) > > Absolutely. One has to exercise some care in the metro, especially during rush hours, but otherwise I’d say Prague is pretty safe. > > Of course, the more you look and behave like a wealthy foreign tourist, the more attention of pickpockets you are likely to receive. I was about to say the only time I've actually had trouble in Prague was dressed in a tweed jacket in the metro during the morning rush hour. I broke my cardinal rule "look scruffy" and paid for it with about £10 of cash that was in my inside pocket. My wife's handbag was also targeted but because of the way she "organises" her handbag all they got was a handful of used kleenex. Prague is no more prone to pickpockets than, say, Amsterdam. And as Randy so rightly says, at least they won't hold you up at gunpoint like they would in the US. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:48:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0BDB7D45-4E11-4C9D-9237-7F80DFC84C12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, > On 9 Jul 2015, at 20:48, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > One other thing i was trying to find but couldn't so far: >=20 > I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my backback and get alerted > when it moves away from me/cellphone. >=20 > Alas, my cellphone does not support BT BLE, and all i could find are > the newer nicer BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old school BT = ? There was a very well-backed indiegogo project called Trackr, which = looks very useful for this type of thing, as it includes a separation = alert. It is on sale publicly now: https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo It does *seem* to be BLE only, though the compatibility list has some = quite old smartphones on it. For alerts when you go out of range of BT or BLE, you may find something = that would work with a Pebble Time or similar smartwatch. On my Pebble = Time I get an alert (the watch vibrates) if I go out of BLE range of my = phone, which is handy for not leaving your phone behind somewhere. =20 For anti-theft, the trouble is that the BT/BLE range is quite long, more = than you might think, especially if outdoors, so by the time the alert = is triggered your valuables may be beyond recovery. That=E2=80=99s = where a tracker might help, though personally I wouldn=E2=80=99t take on = any thief - you don=E2=80=99t know what they might be carrying.=20 Tim >=20 > Thanks! > Toerless >=20 > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:34:14PM +0000, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> I haven't seen any comments on this so far? >>=20 >> Behcet >>=20 >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Derick Winkworth >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:57 AM >> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? >>=20 >> I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, Toerless. >>=20 >> http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html >>=20 >> That site has other products too for secure traveling. >>=20 >> Derick >>=20 >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert = > wrote: >>=20 >> Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your >> cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing >> in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. >>=20 >> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: >>> Thanks Vinayak, Get it! >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: 93attendees = [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of >>>> Vinayak Hegde >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM >>>> To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) >>>> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? >>>>=20 >>>> Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) = but does >>>> not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That = is what >>>> everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions = like high-end >>>> hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are = likely to get it >>>> at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. >>>>=20 >>>> If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you = are in >>>> Prague. >>>>=20 >>>> -- Vinayak >>>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) >>>> > wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech >>>>> koruna, Euro or both? >>>>>=20 >>>>> ThanksJ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 93attendees mailing list >>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 93attendees mailing list >>>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 93attendees mailing list >>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> -- >> --- >> Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail=_0BDB7D45-4E11-4C9D-9237-7F80DFC84C12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

On 9 Jul 2015, at 20:48, = Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:

One other thing i was trying to find but couldn't so far:

I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my = backback and get alerted
when it moves away from = me/cellphone.

Alas, my cellphone does not = support BT BLE, and all i could find are
the newer nicer = BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old school BT ?

There was a very = well-backed indiegogo project called Trackr, which looks very useful for = this type of thing, as it includes a separation alert. It is on sale = publicly now:
It does *seem* = to be BLE only, though the compatibility list has some quite old = smartphones on it.

For alerts when = you go out of range of BT or BLE, you may find something that would work = with a Pebble Time or similar smartwatch. On my Pebble Time I get an = alert (the watch vibrates) if I go out of BLE range of my phone, which = is handy for not leaving your phone behind somewhere. =  

For anti-theft, the trouble = is that the BT/BLE range is quite long, more than you might think, = especially if outdoors, so by the time the alert is triggered your = valuables may be beyond recovery.  That=E2=80=99s where a tracker = might help, though personally I wouldn=E2=80=99t take on any thief - you = don=E2=80=99t know what they might be carrying. 

Tim


Thanks!
   Toerless

On = Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:34:14PM +0000, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
I haven't seen any = comments on this so far?

Behcet

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Derick = Winkworth
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:57 AM
Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?

I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, = Toerless.

http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html

That site has other products too for = secure traveling.

Derick

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert = <eckert@cisco.com<mailto:eckert@cisco.com>> wrote:

Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to = cancel/re-issue all your
cards handy but separate from = your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing
in Prague. Family = member had that experience last Prague IETF.

On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) = wrote:
Thanks = Vinayak, Get it!

-----Original Message-----
From: 93attendees = [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.or= g>] On Behalf Of
Vinayak Hegde
Sent: = Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM
To: Weixinpeng (Jackie)
Cc: = 93attendees@ietf.org<mailto:93attendees@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in = Czech?

Czech Republic is part of European = Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does
not use the Euro. = It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what
everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some = exceptions like high-end
hotels and tourist shops that = might accept the euro but you are likely to get it
at an = insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna.

If you have Euros, expect to convert them to = Czech Koruna when you are in
Prague.

-- Vinayak

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 = at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie)
<weixinpeng@huawei.com<mailto:weixinpeng@huawei.com>&g= t; wrote:
Hi all,

Could somebody tell me what currency should I = take with me, Czech
koruna, Euro or both?

ThanksJ


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---
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Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm= quite comfortable with the expensive bag with anti-theft features.  <= br>
:-)
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currenc= y is widely used in Czech?


On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:0= 7 AM, Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:

> Of course, t= he more you look and behave like a wealthy foreign tourist, the more attent= ion of pickpockets you are likely to receive.

Like carrying an expen= sive bag with lots and lots of anti-theft features? :-)

Yoav

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= --_3649BC65-8E52-43EB-AA86-3EFC629649B3_-- From nobody Fri Jul 10 07:21:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0864A1B2C87 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v_YLfujCSp7K for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EB321B2C9E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f799e6d00000329e-33-559f7961c4a6 Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 47.6D.12958.1697F955; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB108.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.125]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:20:26 -0400 From: Sergey Slovetsky To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: me2 RE: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:21:12 -0000 Will buy a ticket to the social event too. Rgds, //Sergey -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tore A= nderson Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:00 AM To: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? > Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. Tore _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 07:46:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829821B2C8D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O9eeWLfF8Toq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B63111A913E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79356d000006281-53-559fdadb0203 Received: from ESESSHC023.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 82.CB.25217.BDADF955; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:46:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB105.ericsson.se ([169.254.5.230]) by ESESSHC023.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:46:51 +0200 From: Marcus Ihlar To: Sergey Slovetsky , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [93attendees] me2 RE: Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:46:55 -0000 I'm interested as well. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sergey= Slovetsky Sent: den 10 juli 2015 16:20 To: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: [93attendees] me2 RE: Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? Will buy a ticket to the social event too. Rgds, //Sergey -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tore A= nderson Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:00 AM To: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? > Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. Tore _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 08:04:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446441A92F8 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id shqPj6I_2bl7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F59E1A92F7 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D40228B003D for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7750E1F8035; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandra Murphy Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EF9CD69A-467D-4927-B899-A2531B0B14C5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: To: 93attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: Sandra Murphy Subject: [93attendees] more "social ticket needed" X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:04:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EF9CD69A-467D-4927-B899-A2531B0B14C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Approval to travel comes late, so registration comes late, so of course = social is sold out. I also am interested in a social ticket. Where do we start the wiki page for managing such requests? I'm sure = there will be more. --Sandy --Apple-Mail=_EF9CD69A-467D-4927-B899-A2531B0B14C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVn98UAAoJEHplpQeet0IZjmcQAMY0FOA+5ml0clp0IlBE2kKQ eN5Q6nZ0aQztfvxbSCReNtwIodrXEEhQHG99X9pG/HJhz3VgcZ9AXmEUWiCq34Dp PlZRa2miRqwizvIEPkMPoVeLlo0HAS2HE02Z746T4I/XnvZyUsl5KqIEAxgaVViX oskJXpt9sUJJ5L+C2CyPXfmf9BKe3lsKXpCgqJNhBgBS5apGJoRtrpRzM6XZXCkl iHjy/WeWL9vlncr6biJX817qJUvaqbvpQu2JBCtlMTnjuZkhVLg8Uiih2nFGGTHb EAsy7XWc5DeQWisAlaUFjjGetkfeOGWG0Cefx6Uq8WQBvBfLtT15ApdpJo2+LF0i djtTdC2K+PgmwlVDn7YqBozpMUTPyKHTUhAjD1D0i9G7WFEDlijd4s5xhz5t4cGg Ad0blSLZXnru/yV/bO8U2Bb8LeD/xqaQMtw/izP15o7Z6qGmn+8EqhkjqVdc7vdE mXXGjWuMIBBNL+CXjySayMDXBbSKPdONTng87Whi42/5T0IIHR37SaZIK2Zi5efr URMygGG9Sq4uHyrPDvklz2yesL82Wh2lxf8lSiept81nRPDz7qhuU0OIbOZr+o1z aDWbD7Gbi5d3oBZlBg/ipYxSi6qOAUind0Gs/Byz3TrYsiDffvmSC6feXHxqwAi+ EEEdSQBsSTcN4Ks51EVF =wMMe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_EF9CD69A-467D-4927-B899-A2531B0B14C5-- From nobody Fri Jul 10 08:05:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F441AD4A1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth <derick.winkworth@gmail.com> wrote:

Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortable with the expensive bag with anti-theft features. 

So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target.
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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:40:41 -0000 I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag and ca= rrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back) marks = me as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential difficult= y for a thief - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone who looks lik= e an easier mark. I don't have to outrun the bear... Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav N= ir Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM To: Derick Winkworth Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth > wrote: Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortabl= e with the expensive bag with anti-theft features. =20 =09 So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target. 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:21:04 -0000 On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 10:24:08PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your > > cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing > > in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. > > If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most > dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. Intuitively, sure, but i can move beyond that. http://www.escapehere.com/inspiration/10-worst-cities-in-the-world-for-pickpocketing/2/ My experience was also that it was harder to avoid crowds in Prague than in the other cities because of the density of the city in the touristy areas. Especially during the day. > In summary: You are not in Kansas anymore. Normal street smarts in > European capital cities includes paying attention, and not exposing your > valuables. If somebody in your vicinity does something that doesn't > make sense, they are probably trying to steal (and that may include the > stunning lady asking you out for a drink). But there is no need for > special paranoia in Prague; it's just a European capital. Of course there is need for special paranioa in Prague for me: They got me once, shame on them, they'd get me twice, shame on me! ;-) Chers Toerless > Gre, Carsten > > *) But he probably didn't get the reason right. But that's off-topic > (and for some people probably also "political" :-) From nobody Fri Jul 10 10:49:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453521B2A02 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dWBWRX7C3kmX for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rubbermaid-out.opus1.com (rubbermaid-out.opus1.com [192.245.12.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28BA11B29E1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:38:00 -0700 (PDT) X-SPAMCOP-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-BRBL-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-SPAMHAUS-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-SPAMHAUS-SBL-Score: 0.0 X-SPAMHAUS-PBL-Score: 0.0 X-SPAMHAUS-XBL-Score: 0.0 X-RPBL-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-MCAFEE-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-MAILSPIKE-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-MAPS-RBL-Score: 0.0 X-MAPS-QIL1-Score: 0.0 X-MAPS-QIL2-Score: 0.0 X-MAPS-QIL3-Score: 0.0 X-MAPS-QIL4-Score: 0.0 X-UCEPROTECT-RBL-Score: 0.0 Received: from skipper.opus1.com ([192.245.12.223]) by rubbermaid-out.opus1.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 10 Jul 2015 08:37:59 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Received: from jmsromeopus1com.local (unknown [168.202.36.245]) by skipper.opus1.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.34.0 64bit (built Oct 14 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NRA00J6U3F9SV00@skipper.opus1.com> for 93attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:37:59 -0700 (MST) Message-id: <559FE6D5.6040303@Opus1.COM> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:37:57 +0200 From: Joel M Snyder Organization: Opus One User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: Lisa Lorenzin , Praveen Balasubramanian , Tim Chown , Toerless Eckert References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <6FBCD28690577C4582AFC9B477428E863028A627@dfweml706-chm> <20150709194824.GA27147@cisco.com> In-reply-to: Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:49:57 -0700 Cc: Behcet Sarikaya , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:38:07 -0000 US, Canadian, and Mexican citizens can now get a "Passport Card" which is used for US/Canada and US/Mexico border crossings (not airports). This is additional to their normal passport. This card is not valid for general international travel, however it serves as an outstanding identity document you can give to people who have been told to ask for a passport. For example, most countries require foreigners to register, and hotels do this for you. In 3 years and many countries (including my last trip to Prague), I have not had a hotel refuse my US passport card. The main goal of having identification on you when traveling around a city is that the police generally have the right to stop you and ask for such things. The passport card serves this purpose very well, if you're from a country where you can get such a thing and essentially have a duplicate 'national identity card.' jms On 7/10/15 5:28 PM, Lisa Lorenzin wrote: > Personally, when traveling internationally I leave my passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy of it, plus my US driver's license, while out and about. I've never had an issue with that approach. (I've also never needed to use the photocopy; it's just for the very unlikely possibility that something were to happen to the original - hotel burns down, whatever.) > > Regards, > Lisa > > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Praveen Balasubramanian > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:05 AM > To: Tim Chown; Toerless Eckert > Cc: Behcet Sarikaya; 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT > > While on the topic of anti-theft precautions, is it recommended to carry travel documents like passport on person or to leave it in the hotel safety deposit box? What do folks prefer? > > > > Also related question is would we need an identity document while moving around in Prague? Would a US drivers license suffice for dining establishments etc.? > > > > Thanks > > > > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Chown > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:49 AM > To: Toerless Eckert > Cc: Behcet Sarikaya; 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT > > > > Hi, > > > > On 9 Jul 2015, at 20:48, Toerless Eckert > wrote: > > > One other thing i was trying to find but couldn't so far: > > I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my backback and get alerted > when it moves away from me/cellphone. > > Alas, my cellphone does not support BT BLE, and all i could find are > the newer nicer BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old school BT ? > > > > There was a very well-backed indiegogo project called Trackr, which looks very useful for this type of thing, as it includes a separation alert. It is on sale publicly now: > > https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo > > It does *seem* to be BLE only, though the compatibility list has some quite old smartphones on it. > > > > For alerts when you go out of range of BT or BLE, you may find something that would work with a Pebble Time or similar smartwatch. On my Pebble Time I get an alert (the watch vibrates) if I go out of BLE range of my phone, which is handy for not leaving your phone behind somewhere. > > > > For anti-theft, the trouble is that the BT/BLE range is quite long, more than you might think, especially if outdoors, so by the time the alert is triggered your valuables may be beyond recovery. That’s where a tracker might help, though personally I wouldn’t take on any thief - you don’t know what they might be carrying. > > > > Tim > > > > > Thanks! > Toerless > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:34:14PM +0000, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > > > > I haven't seen any comments on this so far? > > Behcet > > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:57 AM > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, Toerless. > > http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html > > That site has other products too for secure traveling. > > Derick > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert >> wrote: > > Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue all your > cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained pickpocketing > in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague IETF. > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > > > > Thanks Vinayak, Get it! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of > Vinayak Hegde > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM > To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? > > Czech Republic is part of European Union (and the Schengen Zone) but does > not use the Euro. It has it's own currency the Czech Koruna. That is what > everyone will ordinarily accept. There might be some exceptions like high-end > hotels and tourist shops that might accept the euro but you are likely to get it > at an insane markup, so it is better to convert it to Czech Koruna. > > If you have Euros, expect to convert them to Czech Koruna when you are in > Prague. > > -- Vinayak > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Weixinpeng (Jackie) > >> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech > koruna, Euro or both? > > ThanksJ > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 jms@Opus1.COM http://www.opus1.com/jms From nobody Fri Jul 10 10:53:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0D91A03E1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BodiUdPyVvDl for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823631A038C for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,448,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="69542213" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2015 11:09:50 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.8) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:52:54 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:52:53 -0700 From: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" To: Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann Thread-Topic: Pickpocket frequency was: RE: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? Thread-Index: AdC7N2CgDG47nKFIQTCIo6ucSj7qPw== Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:52:52 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:52:59 -0000 >> If course, since it happened to them in Prague, Prague is now the most >> dangerous city for you. That's how people perceive risk. > Intuitively, sure, but i can move beyond that. > http://www.escapehere.com/inspiration/10-worst-cities-in-the-world-for-pi= ckpocketing/2/ Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) and n= ever had any trouble.=20 On the other hand, my husband's pocket was picked in Beijing which isn't on= the top 10 list. ( He noticed it immediately and nearby strangers helped c= hase down the thief so he recovered his wallet.) An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per city i= s. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is ranked on, e.g= . total number, % per population; a different pickpocket statistic might pr= oduce a totally different ordering. And it doesn't tell you what the variat= ion was - is it 200% or 5% more likely that you run into a picked pocket = at number 2 on the list than number 40?=20 Regards, Pat From nobody Fri Jul 10 11:40:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7B11A1AD3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfaymgq7PsdE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E16C11A1ACC for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDdDL-00021J-5L; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:39:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:39:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:40:04 -0000 > An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per > city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is > ranked on this was from a web site that ranks jet blue and westjet the top two airlines in the world. 'nuf said. randy From nobody Fri Jul 10 12:44:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667831B2AB2 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vqzbfXqaNdKZ for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:8240:6:a::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0350D1B2AAD for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [186.137.82.224] (helo=[192.168.3.107]) by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDeDw-0006xZ-8D; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:44:40 +0200 Message-ID: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:43:50 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" , Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:44:49 -0000 On 07/10/2015 02:52 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote: >> > Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) > and never had any trouble. On the other hand, my husband's pocket was > picked in Beijing which isn't on the top 10 list. ( He noticed it > immediately and nearby strangers helped chase down the thief so he > recovered his wallet.) > > An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per > city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is > ranked on, e.g. total number, % per population; a different > pickpocket statistic might produce a totally different ordering. And > it doesn't tell you what the variation was - is it 200% or 5% more > likely that you run into a picked pocket at number 2 on the list > than number 40? Even if that information was available... what would be the use of it? Don't want to be pick-pocketed? -- Usually the best way to avoid that is "security through obscurity" and "don't do the obvious stuff that will get you pick-pocketed". Some rules of thumb: * Don't use wallets in your trousers. If needed, use one of those "envelopes" that end up below your clothes. * Compartmentalize: Don't put all your valuables in the same place. Say, put cash in one place, and split your credit-cards in different places. * Thieves can open the zipper of your backpack but also shortcut by cutting it: whatever is next to a zipper, even inside the backpack is an easier target that something in the middle of it, surrounded by unrelated/random stuff. * Whenever you arrive to a city, ask a local about places where you shouldn't go (not in terms of pick-pocketing but in terms of, say, being robbed at gun point). * If you wear a backpack, either do not put any valuables inside, or if you do, wear the backpack on the front, rather on the back (frontpack? :-) ) * Always wear the backpack on the front in very crowded places, such as public transport. * Avoid flashy stuff (golden rings, necklaces, etc.). Thives like them, and will easily make you a target. * Do not leave your belongings unattended: (unattended= you're not grabbing them) * If you need to operate on some valuables (e.g. pick up a phone call on a pricey phone), get into a nearby shop -- it's way easier for someone to just grab your stuff and runaway if you're in the streets. * Avoid obvious stuff that will get you robbed (e.g., if you're the only person walking on some random street at night, you probably shouldn't be there. * Always be aware of your context (if there's plenty of room and someone has been standing next to you, there's probably a reason for that). * If possible, when doing stuff (e.g., sightseeing), it's better if in groups: if you fail with anything of the above, someone else of your friends might notice and "save" you. Is the above needed for, say, Prague? -- most likely quite a bit of it isn't. But if you incorporate the above and are able to apply it without having to think about it, you'll reduce your own personal risk of being robbed or pick-pocketed. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From nobody Fri Jul 10 13:04:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D311B2AC6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mbDoREYB7Jcy for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-f174.google.com (mail-yk0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBC571B2AC4 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykee186 with SMTP id e186so71734255yke.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BI2TTpGtiX9IHc4ILOXYkeKLbGdd44qj3FSED95OE+U=; b=PWzGqjQlWyX8Q03oAAKdCSs4d2yyzm9PQs0GaoeS3MLK46UpZbwonAnXSjVhCE4a6W zUWFrUeOIy8BAQmrqJ6OkAiVl70dJ7RSQ47PwizjrjnZN662a2OLnmiGSBoS8H0NxFGQ KcVw22fef+zwhrjOGB7GTZXnXoyZ3tDqsOIbS0EurCMiw5EU84ECppc/yJit09MZV5fu NtsRGABjKBPVpX3D6JWM2LghjJYAFuLOxm3pzI4SbM6ULiIKQv78gXBSE8k7CxYSTX/v nBeTUKpFLFhHesaeajxNBUd68XsH5cW9zsqRB1dBSVzWS8PBqud1leHJeyO2Ba+BL5km KLrw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmLZitoG+Vm3JsE5hAOZNkDOUosQ5RcCc8vVfiqDRaSNMIg0b+T8l6J02eNIr8QKgYDhMlx X-Received: by 10.13.247.3 with SMTP id h3mr26107037ywf.142.1436558665058; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desolation-2.local (68-115-154-254.static.hckr.nc.charter.com. [68.115.154.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d195sm9841504ywb.8.2015.07.10.13.04.23 for <93attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:04:21 -0400 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.1 (Macintosh/20150514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:04:27 -0000 To anybody that knows Prague better: Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they typically cash transactions? Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app based car services) operate in Prague including the airport? Uber's website suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the limits of that service. Thanks in advance. -Benson From nobody Fri Jul 10 13:07:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC221B2ACE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lkvjOZbtOhEv for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E750D1B2AD6 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykax123 with SMTP id x123so24379428yka.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c3HBjtG17vIZYfUwoV+4nR8vbsM1gFHClH+JvdG9DZs=; b=fYXJXaCA98BIbKNxV79rgaLGQPIAJUYCBXwLlrxG/5QdieC8OX9UfRdw4HNZc85dk6 P/gGvhIw3/ituNLuoqShYLGoaAShM/6XOiWJr3skdOe34yHxNmkQ70yJkqOyjP9NI9lH jy48bfo5JPGgQ6b42DNGVdInPYRiGkPzQnIEq6wcfg46602Lvytl/xRlAYGwQYKY5Q6x K5568OOisc/dLWKHMjhpAcnYKeXS/+8u40vTqHWREVmmQaJepYc1ZAm6kMfQgOxskseW C8nMJkSJrJ3nujxQTiCJ+aipTwVHzgJM4iPQXDtHrr1XeaV+0mW2IG9XeOhCaW5GKgsX tCzA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlvgGEeWpCBXElMTL5WyttawXnI11NiYV6htYpXhyVW8V2/uRNBKNQvl93xOR3202TC9/3e X-Received: by 10.129.95.198 with SMTP id t189mr9305380ywb.29.1436558869365; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desolation-2.local (68-115-154-254.static.hckr.nc.charter.com. [68.115.154.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p190sm2013580ywp.56.2015.07.10.13.07.47 for <93attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:07:46 -0400 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.1 (Macintosh/20150514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:07:52 -0000 Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities... Thanks, -Benson From nobody Fri Jul 10 13:34:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820491A007A for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0yhOaHbBkEY for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx142.netapp.com (mx142.netapp.com [216.240.21.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AE311A0076 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,449,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="53098130" Received: from hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.40]) by mx142-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2015 13:26:12 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:26:11 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::6843:58b6:e8e4:4968%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:26:11 -0700 From: "McDonald, Alex" To: Benson Schliesser Thread-Topic: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague Thread-Index: AQHQu0wdRwA5x71EY0SXttbOSLtRxp3VJrlQ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:26:11 +0000 Message-ID: <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:34:27 -0700 Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:31:27 -0000 Allowed. You may find thru transit countries and some carriers don't allow = their transportation.=20 But I'd leave it at home since what the law permits and what's acceptable o= ften differ significantly.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:07, Benson Schliesser wrote= : >=20 > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in Prague? = I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities where I bett= er know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes and cutting food= s like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't always considered to be = a benign instrument by the authorities... >=20 > Thanks, > -Benson >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From jsosborn@isc.org Fri Jul 10 09:52:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D2D1B2A3F for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3hewNV093P9 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3559D1B2A3E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34E7B3493A5; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A756C160053; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958E9160075; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3m2nK_Vknc3u; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail1.isc.org (zmail1.isc.org [149.20.0.12]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA31160053; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:52:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Osborn To: Tore Anderson Message-ID: <185652566.158569.1436547167775.JavaMail.zimbra@isc.org> In-Reply-To: <20150710070008.101a1cda@envy.fud.no> References: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> <20150710070008.101a1cda@envy.fud.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [149.20.0.17] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1162 (ZimbraWebClient - GC44 (Mac)/8.6.0_GA_1162) Thread-Topic: Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? Thread-Index: UjGxE9d9aQmENHepqFqBjxBjwkUoAA== Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:34:57 -0700 Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:28:27 -0000 I need 2 tickets to the social event as well. How did it sell out so early? >> Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? > > I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. > > Tore > -- Jeff Osborn President Internet Systems Consortium From nobody Fri Jul 10 14:00:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFBC1A00FF for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.739 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LBlB7ptteguF for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz (ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz [93.153.104.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34B751B2D1A for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Roub=ED=E8ek_Zden=ECk?= To: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague Thread-Index: AQHQu0ur3o25RbLHKUiNN1GGWPhUzJ3VLhyQ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: <362ea9051ece4014bae2857f2903f1dc@srvhk408.rdm.cz> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, cs-CZ, en-US Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.246.107.57] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:00:51 -0000 Hello Taxi and credit cards is not a problem (Visa or Master, not sure on Amex). Uber is present here but to my knowledge not as much widely used. Public transport is very good and Prague is in fact quite small city. I tri= ed to summery some basics in my previous email. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/93attendees/xWHaTRBp4n0AabUsZCooeSNIk= E4 Regards, zdenek > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Benson Schliesser > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:04 PM > To: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague > > To anybody that knows Prague better: > > Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they > typically cash transactions? > > Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app > based car services) operate in Prague including the airport? Uber's > website suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the > limits of that service. > > Thanks in advance. > -Benson > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees Z=E1sady komunikace, kter=E9 spole=E8nost T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. u=BE= =EDv=E1 p=F8i sjedn=E1v=E1n=ED smluv, jsou uvedeny zde. Nen=ED-li v z= =E1sad=E1ch uvedeno jinak, nep=F8edstavuje tato zpr=E1va kone=E8n=FD n=E1vr= h na uzav=F8en=ED =E8i zm=ECnu smlouvy ani p=F8ijet=ED takov=E9ho n=E1vrhu.= The communication principles which T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. applies wh= en negotiating contracts are defined here. Unless otherwise stated in t= he principles, this message does not constitute the final offer to contract= or an amendment of a contract or acceptance of such offer. From nobody Fri Jul 10 14:04:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D121A0102 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.739 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2lBAIJR3W08 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz (ctxmailhub.t-mobile.cz [93.153.104.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5AEA1A00FF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Roub=ED=E8ek_Zden=ECk?= To: "McDonald, Alex" , Benson Schliesser Thread-Topic: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague Thread-Index: AQHQu0wiRK++fSMbwka2OOQbV32rJZ3VBTKAgAArARA= Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:04:12 +0000 Message-ID: <67d53212e2cd4c8290d934992f9434f7@srvhk408.rdm.cz> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, cs-CZ, en-US Content-Language: cs-CZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.246.107.57] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:04:16 -0000 Hello For the knife question - it is not a problem to have a reasonably large one= with you. I personally carry quite often a pocket knife with blade of abou= t 10cm (4 inches) and had no troubles. So if you manage to get it via transport then it should not be an issue. Zdenek > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > McDonald, Alex > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:26 PM > To: Benson Schliesser > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague > > Allowed. You may find thru transit countries and some carriers don't > allow their transportation. > > But I'd leave it at home since what the law permits and what's > acceptable often differ significantly. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:07, Benson Schliesser > wrote: > > > > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in > Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities > where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes > and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't > always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities... > > > > Thanks, > > -Benson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees Z=E1sady komunikace, kter=E9 spole=E8nost T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. u=BE= =EDv=E1 p=F8i sjedn=E1v=E1n=ED smluv, jsou uvedeny zde. Nen=ED-li v z= =E1sad=E1ch uvedeno jinak, nep=F8edstavuje tato zpr=E1va kone=E8n=FD n=E1vr= h na uzav=F8en=ED =E8i zm=ECnu smlouvy ani p=F8ijet=ED takov=E9ho n=E1vrhu.= The communication principles which T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. applies wh= en negotiating contracts are defined here. Unless otherwise stated in t= he principles, this message does not constitute the final offer to contract= or an amendment of a contract or acceptance of such offer. 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:10:30 -0000 +1 -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff O= sborn Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:53 PM To: Tore Anderson Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? I need 2 tickets to the social event as well. How did it sell out so early= ? =20 >> Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? >=20 > I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. >=20 > Tore >=20 --=20 Jeff Osborn President Internet Systems Consortium _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 14:32:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D97C1B2CA1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zh1H9XXt-cFq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.arubanetworks.com (mx01.arubanetworks.com [104.36.248.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB6C61B2C91 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1436563940-03d1245ef631b620001-Sm57G0 Received: from sjc-exch10hc-02.arubanetworks.com ([10.1.8.46]) by mx01.arubanetworks.com with ESMTP id yDAYonrwvvgs6HSD (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: dharkins@arubanetworks.com Received: from shasta.arubanetworks.com ([fe80::1053:3055:eabc:ceb9]) by sjc-exch10hc-02.arubanetworks.com ([fe80::88ce:11e3:e0a3:1489%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:32:20 -0700 From: Daniel Harkins To: Lisa Lorenzin , Yoav Nir , Derick Winkworth Thread-Topic: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:32:23 -0000 --_000_D1C584491E9A4dharkinsarubanetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin" <93attendees-= bounces@ietf.org on behalf of llorenzi= n@pulsesecure.net> wrote: I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag and ca= rrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back) marks = me as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential difficult= y for a thief - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone who looks lik= e an easier mark. I don't have to outrun the bear... There is a wide spectrum of crime between pickpocketing and getting shot. Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in front is a signal that you got somethin= g valuable. You are making yourself look like the tastiest morsel for that be= ar. When walking around foreign cities I follow the old saying, =93the nail t= hat sticks up gets the hammer.=94 I try my best to look local or at least not so much = like a tourist but even if I do I don=92t look like the one to rob=97 large wall= et in pocket, PacSafe bag cross-body in front of me=85. Be safe, Dan. Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav N= ir Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM To: Derick Winkworth Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech? On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth > wro= te: Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortable= with the expensive bag with anti-theft features. So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target. _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --_000_D1C584491E9A4dharkinsarubanetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin"= ; <93attendees-bounces@i= etf.org on behalf of llorenzin@pulsesecure.net&= gt; wrote:

I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag a= nd carrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back) m= arks me as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential diff= iculty for a thief - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone who looks like an easier mark.  I don'= t have to outrun the bear...

  There is a wide spectrum of crime between pickpocketing and get= ting shot. 
Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in front is a signal that you got som= ething
valuable. You are making yourself look like the tastiest morsel for th= at bear.

  When walking around foreign cities I follow the old saying, =93= the nail that sticks
up gets the hammer.=94 I try my best to look local or at least not so = much like
a tourist but even if I do I don=92t look like the one to rob=97 large= wallet in pocket,
PacSafe bag cross-body in front of me=85.

  Be safe,

  Dan.


Regards,
Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: 93attendees [mai= lto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM
To: Derick Winkworth
Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?


On Jul= 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth <derick.winkworth@gmail.com <mailto:derick.winkworth@gmail.com> > wrote:

Having= traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortable with = the expensive bag with anti-theft features.  


So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target= .

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 --_000_D1C584491E9A4dharkinsarubanetworkscom_-- From ignacio.solis@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 14:37:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7C61B2CA2 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.723 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.723 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UvLQsUD3U83 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D64E1B2CA1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igrv9 with SMTP id v9so21850824igr.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=//ACj24ILXGpWtVRIpEmqs8dZ3xqFuLjQ75ryCW4B+M=; b=wDV8hdHCSGg0Pss6y8Fw+ypGBS/o/V3jTI6uJsRqnjO30e/jbkqgCZjDDeFfCtxgqh lyUd96bSYpCESRGbkoPQGxPu5Jiy8vNvhQJ1nv8QmRG3p++uQLLB6pVRcOYZBsAGjCBV BysBgsGk5GXMnEF/xPz3eXrzeK78jBqRrZVq+DIwnEWdArSo/094hUt78EDjwTpPEsDn /De6vs/3bLvc7hcZmXbAmJ2WA87JLzge6K0IXn3FQ8nQJ0Ky/dMvqDPWtNO3Zm0RVmzJ +vFKjDnq01FSttysLSZRPccqcBLfonTyBfxzG45oYIweqAcvy9Ghp13RETG8Yiwzimcw JqXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.109.138 with SMTP id hs10mr874530igb.48.1436564224917; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: ignacio.solis@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.141.214 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <67d53212e2cd4c8290d934992f9434f7@srvhk408.rdm.cz> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> <67d53212e2cd4c8290d934992f9434f7@srvhk408.rdm.cz> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:37:04 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lxA9sXKeGVo02mr24Z8muBLz_Jg Message-ID: From: Ignacio Solis To: =?UTF-8?B?Um91YsOtxI1layBaZGVuxJtr?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122e6aa52c972051a8c2c0e Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "McDonald, Alex" , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:37:46 -0000 --089e0122e6aa52c972051a8c2c0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I prioritize not checking luggage, when I do, I end up taking a relatively cheap knife with me. Much of the talk online agrees on knives on checked luggage being ok, but there's a fear that if you have a knife in the suitcase the likely hood of it being searched is high, and if the knife is really nice then the likely hood of it being "confiscated" is high as well. I think I read somewhere a suggestion to lock nice knives to the inside of the suitcase somehow so they're not easily stolen. Hey Benson, do you expect to get a lot of Amazon packages in Prague? Or are you just planning for fruits and cheese? :-) Maybe the IETF Host can give away branded knives and then you wouldn't have to carry one there in your suitcase. Nacho On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Roub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek Zden=C4=9Bk < zdenek.roubicek@t-mobile.cz> wrote: > Hello > > For the knife question - it is not a problem to have a reasonably large > one with you. I personally carry quite often a pocket knife with blade of > about 10cm (4 inches) and had no troubles. > So if you manage to get it via transport then it should not be an issue. > > Zdenek > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > McDonald, Alex > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:26 PM > > To: Benson Schliesser > > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague > > > > Allowed. You may find thru transit countries and some carriers don't > > allow their transportation. > > > > But I'd leave it at home since what the law permits and what's > > acceptable often differ significantly. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:07, Benson Schliesser > > wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in > > Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities > > where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes > > and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't > > always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Benson > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 93attendees mailing list > > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > Z=C3=A1sady komunikace, kter=C3=A9 spole=C4=8Dnost T-Mobile Czech Republi= c a.s. u=C5=BE=C3=ADv=C3=A1 p=C5=99i > sjedn=C3=A1v=C3=A1n=C3=AD smluv, jsou uvedeny zde< > http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri_sjednavani_smluv_cz= .pdf>. > Nen=C3=AD-li v z=C3=A1sad=C3=A1ch uvedeno jinak, nep=C5=99edstavuje tato = zpr=C3=A1va kone=C4=8Dn=C3=BD n=C3=A1vrh > na uzav=C5=99en=C3=AD =C4=8Di zm=C4=9Bnu smlouvy ani p=C5=99ijet=C3=AD ta= kov=C3=A9ho n=C3=A1vrhu. The communication > principles which T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. applies when negotiating > contracts are defined here< > http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri_sjednavani_smluv_en= .pdf>. > Unless otherwise stated in the principles, this message does not constitu= te > the final offer to contract or an amendment of a contract or acceptance o= f > such offer. > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > --=20 Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net --089e0122e6aa52c972051a8c2c0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While I prioritize not checking luggage, when I do, I= end up taking a relatively cheap knife with me.

Much of the talk online agrees on knives on checked luggage being ok, bu= t there's a fear that if you have a knife in the suitcase the likely ho= od of it being searched is high, and if the knife is really nice then the l= ikely hood of it being "confiscated" is high as well.=C2=A0
=

I think I read somewhere a suggestion to lock nice kniv= es to the inside of the suitcase somehow so they're not easily stolen.<= /div>

Hey Benson, do you expect to get a lot of Amazon p= ackages in Prague? Or are you just planning for fruits and cheese? :-)

Maybe the IETF Host can give away branded knives and t= hen you wouldn't have to carry one there in your suitcase.
Nacho

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Roub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek Zden=C4=9B= k <zdenek.roubicek@t-mobile.cz> wrote:
Hello

For the knife question - it is not a problem to have a reasonably large one= with you. I personally carry quite often a pocket knife with blade of abou= t 10cm (4 inches) and had no troubles.
So if you manage to get it via transport then it should not be an issue.
Zdenek

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> McDonald, Alex
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:26 PM
> To: Benson Schliesser
> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague
>
> Allowed. You may find thru transit countries and some carriers don'= ;t
> allow their transportation.
>
> But I'd leave it at home since what the law permits and what's=
> acceptable often differ significantly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:07, Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in<= br> > Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities=
> where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes=
> and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't=
> always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Benson
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 93attendees mailing list
> > 93attendees@ietf.org<= br> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93a= ttendees
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 93attendees@ietf.org
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Z=C3=A1sady komunikace, kter=C3=A9 spole=C4=8Dnost T-Mobile Cze= ch Republic a.s. u=C5=BE=C3=ADv=C3=A1 p=C5=99i sjedn=C3=A1v=C3=A1n=C3=AD sm= luv, jsou uvedeny zde<http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri_sjednavani_smluv_cz= .pdf>. Nen=C3=AD-li v z=C3=A1sad=C3=A1ch uvedeno jinak, nep=C5=99eds= tavuje tato zpr=C3=A1va kone=C4=8Dn=C3=BD n=C3=A1vrh na uzav=C5=99en=C3=AD = =C4=8Di zm=C4=9Bnu smlouvy ani p=C5=99ijet=C3=AD takov=C3=A9ho n=C3=A1vrhu.= The communication principles which T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. applies wh= en negotiating contracts are defined here<http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri= _sjednavani_smluv_en.pdf>. Unless otherwise stated in the principles= , this message does not constitute the final offer to contract or an amendm= ent of a contract or acceptance of such offer.

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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:38:30 -0000 Thanks. For transportation, I always check it inside of luggage along with a corkscrew and a titanium spork. :) So I'm not terribly worried about that. And my blade is just over 2 inches. I frequently visit cities where the limit is 3 inches before it's considered a concealed weapon. So apparently I'd lose at a knife comparison contest with you, Zdenek. (as I think about that scene in the movie Crocodile Dundee...) Cheers, -Benson > Roubek Zdenk > July 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM > Hello > > For the knife question - it is not a problem to have a reasonably > large one with you. I personally carry quite often a pocket knife with > blade of about 10cm (4 inches) and had no troubles. > So if you manage to get it via transport then it should not be an issue. > > Zdenek > > > Zsady komunikace, kter spolenost T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. uv > pi sjednvn smluv, jsou uvedeny > zde. > Nen-li v zsadch uvedeno jinak, nepedstavuje tato zprva konen > nvrh na uzaven i zmnu smlouvy ani pijet takovho nvrhu. The > communication principles which T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. applies > when negotiating contracts are defined > here. > Unless otherwise stated in the principles, this message does not > constitute the final offer to contract or an amendment of a contract > or acceptance of such offer. > McDonald, Alex > July 10, 2015 at 4:26 PM > Allowed. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:46:53 -0000 Ignacio Solis wrote: > Hey Benson, do you expect to get a lot of Amazon packages in Prague? Or > are you just planning for fruits and cheese? :-) Mostly cheese. :) But I do routinely find myself ordering things shipped to hotels, as a result of how much travel I do. On a couple occasions I've avoided paying for (outrageously priced) laundry service during a multi-week trip by simply ordering essential clothes shipped to the hotel. On one such trip I didn't have a knife, and I had to ask the front desk to cut open a package containing underwear. That was entertaining for all of us. > Maybe the IETF Host can give away branded knives and then you wouldn't > have to carry one there in your suitcase. I'll try to remember that idea for the future. For IETF-93 in Prague I think the gift for Social attendees will be more useful than a knife, given the locale... Cheers, -Benson From nobody Fri Jul 10 14:49:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18651B2D06 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hTFR0VsSQIFP for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2721B2D03 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDgAv-0002xK-8s; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:49:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Ignacio Solis In-Reply-To: References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> <67d53212e2cd4c8290d934992f9434f7@srvhk408.rdm.cz> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:49:43 -0000 [ apologies for silly rat-holing, but this is so much better than discussing the dui draft ] i just brought a >20cm expensive japanese kitchen knife from tokyo to the states in checked-on luggage. luggage also contained a mobo, and lots of other electro-crap. was not opened. i conject luggage inspection is somewhat random. but i do not put anything irreplacable in checked luggage. i do separate my (fde) backup disk drive from the laptop, whether in separate carry-on luggage or checked in. if i lose the computer, walk into the apple store and i can restore in a couple of hours. randy From nobody Fri Jul 10 14:55:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737CE1A035F for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ktqoDBHnPZq3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8471A0354 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so23385196wic.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=Rc9DIzZGrBY7IxL/oegMSCFo+S1sI45QkAP1g/MQqQk=; b=Z4NpYBrBUoCWkvudVbnCAhBoFMHiMmsxdzuDAEYHNh2HJrOFfXo4Ww1oHW6rIk2ltC PVifAFep7eFUSeuqa2tVXyOET0uLA5yN67XrcYCJveBHSIypUJhBMvA5UcNMWjCmYz3d cxD3B7DUZW8tKePBiqerVcDpKrFx9ejexJ9ENaJaGu7Kzn9iScRGiS9nSU8ov1cYNcEW eLgAhCAcX9KUecQAbehvUvzWABeyL2Q5qfC5N9pr9XF9VBwKUnutxKCN2zBlihkvgHOR mg1rDLd3v8oMU5Y7lD9UXU0+QTUBvywGUKPrpYIA063Oz2rZKWB8uF4dXMvuuUU/nv7x ckSA== X-Received: by 10.181.25.234 with SMTP id it10mr1555463wid.41.1436565313214; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johns-mbp.home (host86-137-71-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com. [86.137.71.211]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ib9sm15395509wjb.2.2015.07.10.14.55.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4942D902-F2CB-401D-B0F4-5D5644679C3C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: John Dowdell In-Reply-To: <362ea9051ece4014bae2857f2903f1dc@srvhk408.rdm.cz> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:55:10 +0100 Message-Id: <03139359-5208-4B12-A635-D9EB9B038ED2@gmail.com> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <362ea9051ece4014bae2857f2903f1dc@srvhk408.rdm.cz> To: =?utf-8?Q?Roub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek_Zden=C4=9Bk?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:55:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4942D902-F2CB-401D-B0F4-5D5644679C3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Main taxi company web site www.aaataxi.cz . Note = app download and money off voucher for airport transfer. Call 14014 to = order a taxi in one of a few languages. Note also Czech addresses have = two numbers against the street name, one for the normal house number and = one for the order the house was built in (so I=E2=80=99m told). John > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:59, Roub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek Zden=C4=9Bk = wrote: >=20 > Hello >=20 > Taxi and credit cards is not a problem (Visa or Master, not sure on = Amex). > Uber is present here but to my knowledge not as much widely used. >=20 > Public transport is very good and Prague is in fact quite small city. = I tried to summery some basics in my previous email. >=20 > = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/93attendees/xWHaTRBp4n0AabUsZCooeSNI= kE4 >=20 >=20 > Regards, zdenek >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Benson Schliesser >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:04 PM >> To: 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague >>=20 >> To anybody that knows Prague better: >>=20 >> Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they >> typically cash transactions? >>=20 >> Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / = app >> based car services) operate in Prague including the airport? Uber's >> website suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on = the >> limits of that service. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance. >> -Benson >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > Z=C3=A1sady komunikace, kter=C3=A9 spole=C4=8Dnost T-Mobile Czech = Republic a.s. u=C5=BE=C3=ADv=C3=A1 p=C5=99i sjedn=C3=A1v=C3=A1n=C3=AD = smluv, jsou uvedeny = zde. Nen=C3=AD-li v z=C3=A1sad=C3=A1ch uvedeno jinak, = nep=C5=99edstavuje tato zpr=C3=A1va kone=C4=8Dn=C3=BD n=C3=A1vrh na = uzav=C5=99en=C3=AD =C4=8Di zm=C4=9Bnu smlouvy ani p=C5=99ijet=C3=AD = takov=C3=A9ho n=C3=A1vrhu. The communication principles which T-Mobile = Czech Republic a.s. applies when negotiating contracts are defined = here. Unless otherwise stated in the principles, this message does = not constitute the final offer to contract or an amendment of a contract = or acceptance of such offer. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail=_4942D902-F2CB-401D-B0F4-5D5644679C3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Main taxi company web site www.aaataxi.cz. Note app download and money off voucher = for airport transfer. Call 14014 to order a taxi in one of a few = languages. Note also Czech addresses have two numbers against the street = name, one for the normal house number and one for the order the house = was built in (so I=E2=80=99m told).

John

On = 10 Jul 2015, at 21:59, Roub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek Zden=C4=9Bk <zdenek.roubicek@t-mobile.cz> wrote:

Hello

Taxi and credit cards is not a problem (Visa = or Master, not sure on Amex).
Uber is present here but to = my knowledge not as much widely used.

Public = transport is very good and Prague is in fact quite small city. I tried = to summery some basics in my previous email.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/93attendees/xWHaTRBp4n0Aa= bUsZCooeSNIkE4


Regards, = zdenek

-----Original Message-----
From: 93attendees = [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Benson = Schliesser
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:04 PM
To: 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [93attendees] = Taxi and car services in Prague

To anybody = that knows Prague better:

Is it reasonable = to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they
typically cash transactions?

Also,= do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app
based car services) operate in Prague including the airport? =  Uber's
website suggests that they do operate in = Prague, but I'm unclear on the
limits of that service.

Thanks in advance.
-Benson

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Z=C3=A1sady komunikace, kter=C3=A9 = spole=C4=8Dnost T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s. u=C5=BE=C3=ADv=C3=A1 p=C5=99i= sjedn=C3=A1v=C3=A1n=C3=AD smluv, jsou uvedeny = zde<http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri_sjednavani_sm= luv_cz.pdf>. Nen=C3=AD-li v z=C3=A1sad=C3=A1ch uvedeno jinak, = nep=C5=99edstavuje tato zpr=C3=A1va kone=C4=8Dn=C3=BD n=C3=A1vrh na = uzav=C5=99en=C3=AD =C4=8Di zm=C4=9Bnu smlouvy ani p=C5=99ijet=C3=AD = takov=C3=A9ho n=C3=A1vrhu. The communication principles which T-Mobile = Czech Republic a.s. applies when negotiating contracts are defined = here<http://www.t-mobile.cz/dcpublic/Zasady_komunikace_pri_sjednavani_s= mluv_en.pdf>. Unless otherwise stated in the principles, this message = does not constitute the final offer to contract or an amendment of a = contract or acceptance of such offer.

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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:54:18 -0000 Hi Benson, If it is any indication, if you attempt to get a fare estimate at https://www.uber.com/cities/prague, by entering pickup at =B3PRG Airport=B2 and dropoff at =B3POBREZNI 1, PRAGUE, 186 00, CZECH REPUBLIC=B2, it gives y= ou two quotes - one for UperPOP and one for UberBLACK. In some cities where I=B9ve tried this it either fails to give a quote or it only gives a quote for UberBLACK (since those drivers usually have limousine licenses which are needed in some jurisdictions to pick up at the airport). It looks like UberBLACK costs about 70% more than UberPOP at an average of 610 CZK =3D 25 USD (assuming it isn=B9t =B3surge pricing=B2), but I think even Uber= BLACK is still a few bucks less than a taxi. I plan to try it when I land. - Larry On 7/10/15, 1:04 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Benson Schliesser" <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of bensons@queuefull.net> wrote: >To anybody that knows Prague better: > >Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they >typically cash transactions? > >Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app >based car services) operate in Prague including the airport? Uber's >website suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the >limits of that service. > >Thanks in advance. >-Benson > >_______________________________________________ >93attendees mailing list >93attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 15:59:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDDF1A0217 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sVH4AfNHoLv0 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr11p00im-asmtp002.me.com (mr11p00im-asmtp002.me.com [17.110.69.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77AFC1A0203 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.10.8] (173-11-110-134-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.134]) by mr11p00im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NRA00EB2NUSH530@mr11p00im-asmtp002.me.com> for 93attendees@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:59:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-07-11_01:2015-07-10,2015-07-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1507100333 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: "Larry Kreeger (kreeger)" In-reply-to: Message-id: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:59:22 -0000 Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 UK Cell: +44 7805 977889 docomo: (090) 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org Skype: organdemo From nobody Fri Jul 10 16:16:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8D91A0382 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBsKqUD77LGA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [200.7.84.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F621A037B for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569C016B40E2C; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:12 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uW9g5g9zxU7A; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:11 -0300 (UYT) Received: from dallas.local (r167-61-188-145.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [167.61.188.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A30E016B406BD; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:11 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <55A0523A.2090308@lacnic.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:10 -0300 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benson Schliesser , 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:16:16 -0000 I usually take a small one in my checked luggage. Never had a problem. I don't carry it around though, it stays at the hotel. On 7/10/15 5:07 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in > Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities > where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes > and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't > always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities... > > Thanks, > -Benson > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 17:00:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A531A1A62 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:00:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: <2bPH6PbVZ_GW> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2bPH6PbVZ_GW for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D672C1A1A5F for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:00:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1436572837; x=1468108837; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to:from:subject; bh=em7Is06GS27A/9+Jhxf5kU3ih/atwweXYiGrsCkf81E=; b=HNObX25wWLSDwvojf6ZA5tFl3EdvwcEm6Pig1G91CnRkR2ansRUQ3DS4 NPMjYXBnXgw/x0TQdO0UEJ22IuH00Zoa1vcaEI+PYdisSCQcxyy5v2h5A 2xfmC3iSSz7zpUAbCWHUhKi3nqdDT43jusQL9zJ724LCWPolBb+HXHpBT o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,7858"; a="219929932" Received: from ironmsg02-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.16]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Jul 2015 17:00:37 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,450,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="509142343" Received: from plus.qualcomm.com ([10.52.255.8]) by ironmsg02-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Jul 2015 17:00:38 -0700 Received: from ironmsg02-L.qualcomm.com (ironmsg02-L.qualcomm.com [172.30.48.16]) by plus.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id t6B00YFV019100; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:00:35 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,451,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="473999037" X-ojodefuego: yes Received: from unknown (HELO [99.111.97.136]) ([10.64.162.243]) by ironmsg02-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2015 17:00:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:57:21 -0700 To: Brian E Carpenter , 93attendees@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:00:39 -0000 At 4:53 PM +1200 7/9/15, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on > ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a > fine thing. Be careful which ATM you use. Airports in general, and Prague's specifically, are infested with Travelex and other high-fee ATMs. In general, I try to use ATMs that are located within or on the exterior wall of a bank. I often use a taxi or other service that accepts credit cards to get to the hotel, and then after checking in, ask about nearby banks with ATMs. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- ...neither the whole of truth nor the whole of good is revealed to any single observer, although each observer gains a partial superiority of insight from the peculiar position in which he stands.' --William James, 1899 From nobody Fri Jul 10 17:17:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B451A1A54 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDnxLcP2qoNV for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [72.13.81.186]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560BA1A002F for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F50533F42; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at encrypted.net Received: from firefly.encrypted.net ([127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oNzajqkvO55e; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from divinaair.global.tektronix.net (66-7-254-66.static-ip.telepacific.net [66.7.254.66]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBBD133F3E; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Sarah Banks In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:17:33 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> <20150710070008.101a1cda@envy.fud.no> <185652566.158569.1436547167775.JavaMail.zimbra@isc.org> To: Lisa Lorenzin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Osborn , Tore Anderson , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:17:35 -0000 I've got 1 that I cannot use, and I'm happy to sell it at the prevailing = USD charge when I arrive in Prague. Unicast me if this works for you. thanks Sarah > On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Lisa Lorenzin = wrote: >=20 > +1 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Jeff Osborn > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:53 PM > To: Tore Anderson > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event = ticket? >=20 > I need 2 tickets to the social event as well. How did it sell out so = early? =20 >=20 >>> Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? >>=20 >> I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. >>=20 >> Tore >>=20 > --=20 > Jeff Osborn > President > Internet Systems Consortium >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Fri Jul 10 18:22:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B40C1A03F9 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jSl-6kICYVqv for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.dnsblock1.com (server.dnsblock1.com [85.13.236.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6DD61A0393 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 165.214.114.87.dyn.plus.net ([87.114.214.165]:33961 helo=[192.168.0.5]) by server.dnsblock1.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDjUO-0007VG-FG for 93attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: <55A06FB7.3050504@bobbriscoe.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:21:59 +0100 From: Bob Briscoe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> In-Reply-To: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnsblock1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bobbriscoe.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.dnsblock1.com: authenticated_id: in@bobbriscoe.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:22:05 -0000 I walked across Prague earlier this year wearing a hi-viz jacket with Security written across the back (actually a joke we had going in a network security group I was in). It kept the p-ps at a distance tho. Time before that, when I was in Prague, a prostitute accosted me in the street and seemed to be fumbling round my nether regions, but made off with a note from my wallet. The fumble wasn't worth the note, mind you. Bob On 10/07/15 20:43, Fernando Gont wrote: > On 07/10/2015 02:52 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote: >> Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) >> and never had any trouble. On the other hand, my husband's pocket was >> picked in Beijing which isn't on the top 10 list. ( He noticed it >> immediately and nearby strangers helped chase down the thief so he >> recovered his wallet.) >> >> An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per >> city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is >> ranked on, e.g. total number, % per population; a different >> pickpocket statistic might produce a totally different ordering. And >> it doesn't tell you what the variation was - is it 200% or 5% more >> likely that you run into a picked pocket at number 2 on the list >> than number 40? > Even if that information was available... what would be the use of it? > > Don't want to be pick-pocketed? -- Usually the best way to avoid that is > "security through obscurity" and "don't do the obvious stuff that will > get you pick-pocketed". > > > Some rules of thumb: > > * Don't use wallets in your trousers. If needed, use one of those > "envelopes" that end up below your clothes. > > * Compartmentalize: Don't put all your valuables in the same place. Say, > put cash in one place, and split your credit-cards in different places. > > * Thieves can open the zipper of your backpack but also shortcut by > cutting it: whatever is next to a zipper, even inside the backpack is an > easier target that something in the middle of it, surrounded by > unrelated/random stuff. > > * Whenever you arrive to a city, ask a local about places where you > shouldn't go (not in terms of pick-pocketing but in terms of, say, being > robbed at gun point). > > * If you wear a backpack, either do not put any valuables inside, or if > you do, wear the backpack on the front, rather on the back (frontpack? :-) ) > > * Always wear the backpack on the front in very crowded places, such as > public transport. > > * Avoid flashy stuff (golden rings, necklaces, etc.). Thives like them, > and will easily make you a target. > > * Do not leave your belongings unattended: (unattended= you're not > grabbing them) > > * If you need to operate on some valuables (e.g. pick up a phone call on > a pricey phone), get into a nearby shop -- it's way easier for someone > to just grab your stuff and runaway if you're in the streets. > > * Avoid obvious stuff that will get you robbed (e.g., if you're the only > person walking on some random street at night, you probably shouldn't be > there. > > * Always be aware of your context (if there's plenty of room and someone > has been standing next to you, there's probably a reason for that). > > * If possible, when doing stuff (e.g., sightseeing), it's better if in > groups: if you fail with anything of the above, someone else of your > friends might notice and "save" you. > > > Is the above needed for, say, Prague? -- most likely quite a bit of it > isn't. But if you incorporate the above and are able to apply it without > having to think about it, you'll reduce your own personal risk of being > robbed or pick-pocketed. > > Thanks, > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/ From nobody Sat Jul 11 02:58:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27F41A88C5 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5QA4jkh6E8K for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E57E1A88C3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.2.202] (nat-14.bravonet.cz [77.48.225.14]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49FD6180E9C; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:58:25 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436608705; bh=5Pvnj/Hw9uB7KlvRlNLOx9a3Pbtj87fOvdLih7JDlNY=; h=From:Date:To; b=YhhF60tgANph9zbLfpceRlckQ0HnEBJNqULPnIUvN6u/WU4LAZGd0N3wvat6/QWvP MT2XddKN23SYQGHEJpnXOgG83nKefj5agYEOCV/Nkaj9UtzMDE2Vgd0n1WxVMYXX9j SFoYBjVKRvUNaQPO8vkZoz8GNsvKuEooTUeTNAIY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <559FE6D5.6040303@Opus1.COM> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:58:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <287A390A-E7C7-4291-B9CA-AAA5C366AE72@nic.cz> References: <20150709065226.GJ27147@cisco.com> <6FBCD28690577C4582AFC9B477428E863028A627@dfweml706-chm> <20150709194824.GA27147@cisco.com> <559FE6D5.6040303@Opus1.COM> To: Joel M Snyder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Toerless Eckert , Praveen Balasubramanian , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>, Tim Chown , Lisa Lorenzin , Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:58:31 -0000 > On 10 Jul 2015, at 17:37, Joel M Snyder wrote: >=20 > US, Canadian, and Mexican citizens can now get a "Passport Card" which = is used for US/Canada and US/Mexico border crossings (not airports). = This is additional to their normal passport. >=20 > This card is not valid for general international travel, however it = serves as an outstanding identity document you can give to people who = have been told to ask for a passport. For example, most countries = require foreigners to register, and hotels do this for you. In 3 years = and many countries (including my last trip to Prague), I have not had a = hotel refuse my US passport card. >=20 > The main goal of having identification on you when traveling around a = city is that the police generally have the right to stop you and ask for = such things. The passport card serves this purpose very well, if you're = from a country where you can get such a thing and Yes, they have this right but they won=E2=80=99t do it unless they have = a reason. Just be sure you always have a valid ticket for the public = transport and this shouldn=E2=80=99t be an issue at all. Also, normally = nobody asks you for an ID in a pub or bar. Lada > essentially have a duplicate 'national identity card.' >=20 > jms >=20 > On 7/10/15 5:28 PM, Lisa Lorenzin wrote: >> Personally, when traveling internationally I leave my passport in the = hotel safe and carry a photocopy of it, plus my US driver's license, = while out and about. I've never had an issue with that approach. (I've = also never needed to use the photocopy; it's just for the very unlikely = possibility that something were to happen to the original - hotel burns = down, whatever.) >>=20 >> Regards, >> Lisa >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Praveen Balasubramanian >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:05 AM >> To: Tim Chown; Toerless Eckert >> Cc: Behcet Sarikaya; 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT >>=20 >> While on the topic of anti-theft precautions, is it recommended to = carry travel documents like passport on person or to leave it in the = hotel safety deposit box? What do folks prefer? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Also related question is would we need an identity document while = moving around in Prague? Would a US drivers license suffice for dining = establishments etc.? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tim Chown >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:49 AM >> To: Toerless Eckert >> Cc: Behcet Sarikaya; 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration fee includes 21% VAT >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 9 Jul 2015, at 20:48, Toerless Eckert > wrote: >>=20 >> =09 >> One other thing i was trying to find but couldn't so far: >> =09 >> I wanted a bluetooth beacon to drop into my backback and get = alerted >> when it moves away from me/cellphone. >> =09 >> Alas, my cellphone does not support BT BLE, and all i could find = are >> the newer nicer BLE beacons. Does anyone know one thats old = school BT ? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> There was a very well-backed indiegogo project called Trackr, which = looks very useful for this type of thing, as it includes a separation = alert. It is on sale publicly now: >>=20 >> https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo >>=20 >> It does *seem* to be BLE only, though the compatibility list has some = quite old smartphones on it. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> For alerts when you go out of range of BT or BLE, you may find = something that would work with a Pebble Time or similar smartwatch. On = my Pebble Time I get an alert (the watch vibrates) if I go out of BLE = range of my phone, which is handy for not leaving your phone behind = somewhere. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> For anti-theft, the trouble is that the BT/BLE range is quite long, = more than you might think, especially if outdoors, so by the time the = alert is triggered your valuables may be beyond recovery. That=E2=80=99s = where a tracker might help, though personally I wouldn=E2=80=99t take on = any thief - you don=E2=80=99t know what they might be carrying. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Tim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =09 >> Thanks! >> Toerless >> =09 >> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:34:14PM +0000, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> =09 >> =09 >>=20 >> I haven't seen any comments on this so far? >> =09 >> Behcet >> =09 >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Derick Winkworth >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:57 AM >> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used = in Czech? >> =09 >> I've ordered this backpack for this exact reason, = Toerless. >> =09 >> = http://www.pacsafe.com/intasafe-z500-anti-theft-backpack.html >> =09 >> That site has other products too for secure traveling. >> =09 >> Derick >> =09 >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Toerless Eckert = >> wrote: >> =09 >> Oh, and try to have the phone numbers to cancel/re-issue = all your >> cards handy but separate from your wallet. Well trained = pickpocketing >> in Prague. Family member had that experience last Prague = IETF. >> =09 >> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 06:43:12AM +0000, Weixinpeng = (Jackie) wrote: >> =09 >> =09 >>=20 >> Thanks Vinayak, Get it! >> =09 >> =09 >> =09 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 93attendees = [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of >> Vinayak Hegde >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:42 PM >> To: Weixinpeng (Jackie) >> Cc: = 93attendees@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency = is widely used in Czech? >> =09 >> Czech Republic is part of European Union = (and the Schengen Zone) but does >> not use the Euro. It has it's own = currency the Czech Koruna. That is what >> everyone will ordinarily accept. There = might be some exceptions like high-end >> hotels and tourist shops that might = accept the euro but you are likely to get it >> at an insane markup, so it is better to = convert it to Czech Koruna. >> =09 >> If you have Euros, expect to convert = them to Czech Koruna when you are in >> Prague. >> =09 >> -- Vinayak >> =09 >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, = Weixinpeng (Jackie) >> = >> wrote: >> =09 >> =09 >>=20 >> Hi all, >> =09 >> Could somebody tell me what = currency should I take with me, Czech >> koruna, Euro or both? >> =09 >> ThanksJ >> =09 >> =09 >> = _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> = 93attendees@ietf.org > >> = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> =09 >> = _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> = 93attendees@ietf.org > >> = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> =09 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org > >> = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> -- >> --- >> Toerless Eckert, = eckert@cisco.com > >> =09 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> =09 >> =09 >> =09 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> =09 >> =09 >> -- >> --- >> Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >> =09 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 > Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 > jms@Opus1.COM http://www.opus1.com/jms >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Sat Jul 11 03:07:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41F31A88D4 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pmvtc6uFxyiN for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF10C1A88D2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.2.202] (nat-14.bravonet.cz [77.48.225.14]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 541D01813F2; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:07:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436609261; bh=nEHdcUSXvLMmBUdiCNyNwbv2RqIYraiNLlXdbG9ib1g=; h=From:Date:To; b=AvRgm1vsIybHpRigF2sXcCDftJHUgHqewBWPPLaWUHXQ1SqL/+sBJcyLhQw5OBGcP iDmRcbDeM1ZitLr2sNg7jpbqpwPaDg6e/u+bbBMzMt9dnK3zJt4Rmw0QCNx+Z0Pr+U ldvpTKDQfWwMNMy67Lwm8XPJuaB5Vds/+WoAIxRs= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:07:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> To: Benson Schliesser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:07:44 -0000 > On 10 Jul 2015, at 22:07, Benson Schliesser = wrote: >=20 > Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in = Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities = where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes = and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't = always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities=E2=80=A6 No problem whatsoever, on the contrary! This is a well-known Czech = saying: Every real man is supposed to have a knife in his pocket. Lada >=20 > Thanks, > -Benson >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Sat Jul 11 03:14:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E968F1A88D6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WkIZ-DkVM7ZL for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DB201A88CE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.2.202] (nat-14.bravonet.cz [77.48.225.14]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C13E180E65; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:14:24 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436609664; bh=4m2hrmHAcKgcegjv4xH57/0383GSq0z+nLCThWC9ZhI=; h=From:Date:To; b=o7TzNULkvb+49ASUsahzrA00sS2UKCaXPmEBlQHV4oHW3oRNMc4/e0sNaw6LNVBf+ 7coj0VrelyPHKoGyZ9wheIg0hRni+5ZXnc3mv7+wvtsPPJntr9taNPzZ8jMAChK0oA Ke0v9SH4x9/IGijLzlzQzI764NNe6BTTfM4PDO5Q= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:14:23 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4329A15D-E836-4BA7-B236-7BD657A92A7C@nic.cz> References: <559DFE52.9040908@gmail.com> To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] ATMs at the airport? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:14:27 -0000 > On 11 Jul 2015, at 01:57, Randall Gellens = wrote: >=20 > At 4:53 PM +1200 7/9/15, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >=20 >> CZKs being hard to obtain where I live, is there any info on >> ATMs in the arrivals area? Mentioning it in the wiki would be a >> fine thing. >=20 > Be careful which ATM you use. Airports in general, and Prague's = specifically, are infested with Travelex and other high-fee ATMs. >=20 > In general, I try to use ATMs that are located within or on the = exterior wall of a bank. I often use a taxi or other service that = accepts credit cards to get to the hotel, and then after checking in, = ask about nearby banks with ATMs. Most metro stations in the centre have at least one ATM machine. Lada >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > ...neither the whole of truth nor the whole of good is revealed > to any single observer, although each observer gains a partial > superiority of insight from the peculiar position in which he > stands.' --William James, 1899 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Sat Jul 11 03:23:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD771A88EB for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sueOItRh8RSX for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA0DC1A88E8 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oibp128 with SMTP id p128so65213741oib.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KI06ZwkdaS3VvVHUzQS/2uCXD0AiMb2BZRZ4pwt047I=; b=KEd17jHtkLiHn27X5tUCpXCiB28o7gxOdMOJfGeIZjgd9Dszyy+sBHgi63INTwE9lL giK7fLdzXA5cp90YiQ0w/HATeqeDiPJyOp/TxOXsH8ozEvq37/GSdmdNuDOwLj9QLSzU 7bIKRNHi8358SZjLwvdOqJm5U82Im0Zvf1kSrlO2VbXkFEX3UXpp6q0YsLisSUrD/fMF JkzLNbKlkSsf4pI/Yb5MKa8FdjNnl4QHkcSo7nEBCpIOXZb8GQY/vGf7LLpr6zD4A1mj nl/ztbD8OZpUE1VIRrEd6TB9KMuY7HcTEyTkYmPR1usmiHWcIN/FR4C/ChSHkRe/R22b 1OZw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnc+B6Z0XlUsA9nkykVYHguaOsZ4G1GhH1kN8RA+VHvUA0qMdral+Svpe6TaiKYTWYNkm00 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.35.98 with SMTP id g2mr20781539oej.6.1436610201073; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.232.1 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:23:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Benson Schliesser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:23:23 -0000 On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > To anybody that knows Prague better: > > Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they > typically cash transactions? > > Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app based > car services) operate in Prague including the airport? I just arrived and took a AAA cab from the airport -- cost 635 Czk and I paid by (Visa) credit card. W > Uber's website > suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the limits of > that service. > > Thanks in advance. > -Benson > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Sat Jul 11 03:53:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDC51A8A06 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zsK5kRpmluBn for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0693.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::693]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DDE41A89FE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:53:48 -0000 Warren Does your Visa have a chip (mine doesn't)? Ray > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:23 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Benson Schliesser > wrote: >> To anybody that knows Prague better: >>=20 >> Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they >> typically cash transactions? >>=20 >> Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app ba= sed >> car services) operate in Prague including the airport? >=20 > I just arrived and took a AAA cab from the airport -- cost 635 Czk and > I paid by (Visa) credit card. >=20 >=20 > W >=20 >=20 >> Uber's website >> suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the limits of= >> that service. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance. >> -Benson >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Sat Jul 11 03:54:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C401A89FE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vvb_fscBE96h for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AC9D1A899F for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 03:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:5e0:29:ffff:e048:129:538c:cac6] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:5e0:29:ffff:e048:129:538c:cac6]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83B1C180C10; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:54:34 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436612074; bh=zLQQB989qc7lFlXJLZyXJDbSZDn6am5a6NrmeocxAPQ=; h=From:Date:To; b=qNI+QkEdL2cpWTRQGat7RAYAor2SNrmGevmiC5Nq/3EfxxpydEe/F4a7/kKxtEk2t qs1SN3iBYnZK85WPyr0DoasKpJczyGZSNCT0anJJSOBilztL0/XCdikarikkL1gEWM 4RWp0mOhb8bjkhlheDq/yQDwDSNkU6zc9HPQzSvY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:54:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> To: Fernando Gont X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: "Pat \(Patricia\) Thaler" , Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:54:38 -0000 > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:43, Fernando Gont wrote: >=20 > On 07/10/2015 02:52 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote: >>>=20 >> Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) >> and never had any trouble. On the other hand, my husband's pocket was >> picked in Beijing which isn't on the top 10 list. ( He noticed it >> immediately and nearby strangers helped chase down the thief so he >> recovered his wallet.) >>=20 >> An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per >> city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is >> ranked on, e.g. total number, % per population; a different >> pickpocket statistic might produce a totally different ordering. And >> it doesn't tell you what the variation was - is it 200% or 5% more >> likely that you run into a picked pocket at number 2 on the list >> than number 40? >=20 > Even if that information was available... what would be the use of it? >=20 > Don't want to be pick-pocketed? -- Usually the best way to avoid that = is > "security through obscurity" and "don't do the obvious stuff that will > get you pick-pocketed". >=20 >=20 > Some rules of thumb: >=20 > * Don't use wallets in your trousers. If needed, use one of those > "envelopes" that end up below your clothes. >=20 > * Compartmentalize: Don't put all your valuables in the same place. = Say, > put cash in one place, and split your credit-cards in different = places. >=20 > * Thieves can open the zipper of your backpack but also shortcut by > cutting it: whatever is next to a zipper, even inside the backpack is = an > easier target that something in the middle of it, surrounded by > unrelated/random stuff. >=20 > * Whenever you arrive to a city, ask a local about places where you > shouldn't go (not in terms of pick-pocketing but in terms of, say, = being > robbed at gun point). The only such place I am aware of are the surroundings of the main train = station (Hlavni nadrazi) at night. It=E2=80=99s also known as Prague's = Sherwood. The interior of the station is quite safe though. There is one relatively short route where all the =E2=80=9Ctourist = industry=E2=80=9D concentrates to an extreme: Charles Bridge - Karlova = street - Male namesti - Staromestske namesti (Old Town Square) up to the = astronomical clock. My suggestion is to walk on Charles Bridge early in = the morning and otherwise avoid this route like plague. Lada =20 >=20 > * If you wear a backpack, either do not put any valuables inside, or = if > you do, wear the backpack on the front, rather on the back (frontpack? = :-) ) >=20 > * Always wear the backpack on the front in very crowded places, such = as > public transport. >=20 > * Avoid flashy stuff (golden rings, necklaces, etc.). Thives like = them, > and will easily make you a target. >=20 > * Do not leave your belongings unattended: (unattended=3D you're not > grabbing them) >=20 > * If you need to operate on some valuables (e.g. pick up a phone call = on > a pricey phone), get into a nearby shop -- it's way easier for someone > to just grab your stuff and runaway if you're in the streets. >=20 > * Avoid obvious stuff that will get you robbed (e.g., if you're the = only > person walking on some random street at night, you probably shouldn't = be > there. >=20 > * Always be aware of your context (if there's plenty of room and = someone > has been standing next to you, there's probably a reason for that). >=20 > * If possible, when doing stuff (e.g., sightseeing), it's better if in > groups: if you fail with anything of the above, someone else of your > friends might notice and "save" you. >=20 >=20 > Is the above needed for, say, Prague? -- most likely quite a bit of it > isn't. But if you incorporate the above and are able to apply it = without > having to think about it, you'll reduce your own personal risk of = being > robbed or pick-pocketed. >=20 > Thanks, > --=20 > Fernando Gont > e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Sat Jul 11 04:02:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94CB1A8A99 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pz3trUBDStte for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 047E61A8A8E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so205241237obb.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kxpSVl0NlMiNgfL+52IrRZJu6gmk7pjIG1V2mnJbA7s=; b=YDXbadqQNXxtpHUkLsTen70Rp4qOWsMXYFrjTWgpU7arvc6iPciTFUx/DZSihb2xZd uOwlagtShVVaKFhrBwtif8yyC17krXptRHhofZ0CGG7Rq8E287+ZRd2a0xUPEaTFvM2s DkzYaJ0xyPpKGdD8ReTK9VGdtB9IG18FHD/BM0yg5Nhb9adxwVbgqI6FSdv9LI7QGbG3 V4rXIOR0wfQMHzblSjOkh52GiW1ZUoEsVnuv/zjE5aOyU9N3Y+LyWrjuFoIbPoflmDUA NiyznPnMx8ImbJ736lGFJesYeaWUdQEDieejb63VfBB2Kfp+AR4UkfaZdMK1p1q6TFD7 Ez7w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkuugQdVMbq+EVdm+QO/85g9JqsqYz1KYxxnyfggbw4GQkyJQ27PEa5dncMoQVvXkuTRtvE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.195.19 with SMTP id t19mr21515397oif.117.1436612544293; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.232.1 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3D13BEA2-6AD7-4DCB-80D2-A179F50E311D@isoc.org> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <3D13BEA2-6AD7-4DCB-80D2-A179F50E311D@isoc.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:02:26 -0000 On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Warren > Does your Visa have a chip (mine doesn't)? Mine is chip and pin (not chip and signature), but there was no discussion of any of that -- I walked up the the taxi and said "Do you take credit cards" - he replied in the affirmative and off we went. There was no discussion of chip / not / etc. http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ says: "Pay by credit card" YMMV, etc W > > Ray > >> On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:23 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Benson Schliesser >> wrote: >>> To anybody that knows Prague better: >>> >>> Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they >>> typically cash transactions? >>> >>> Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app based >>> car services) operate in Prague including the airport? >> >> I just arrived and took a AAA cab from the airport -- cost 635 Czk and >> I paid by (Visa) credit card. >> >> >> W >> >> >>> Uber's website >>> suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the limits of >>> that service. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> -Benson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 93attendees mailing list >>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> >> >> >> -- >> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad >> idea in the first place. >> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing >> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair >> of pants. >> ---maf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:34:26 -0000 On 11 Jul 2015, at 17:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Every real man is supposed to have a knife in his pocket. Except when he goes through security at the airport. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins From nobody Sat Jul 11 09:03:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5716B1A88DC for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5pU9lpFasCh for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (hermes.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE331A88D8 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4710A16B40A08; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:03:46 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kiBYMt1x2_s8; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:03:45 -0300 (UYT) Received: from dallas.local (r167-61-43-230.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [167.61.43.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 85F3A16B40950; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:03:45 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:03:43 -0300 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Dobbins , 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> In-Reply-To: <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:03:50 -0000 Been there :-) A few years ago I had to drop a swiss army knife in the big acrylic box at SCL's security checkpoint because I forgot to move it to the checked bag. On 7/11/15 10:34 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: > On 11 Jul 2015, at 17:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> Every real man is supposed to have a knife in his pocket. > Except when he goes through security at the airport. > > ----------------------------------- > Roland Dobbins > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Sat Jul 11 09:27:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8181A8AE7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Na1PdvgLu4co for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 529C91A8AE1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5286; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436632046; x=1437841646; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=vOmKqcpi1tl475CQynWY+zEeHP/sqahmy7+s7z7sypQ=; b=N+o8l5jeTmNCa9Hlv7NhozxMaICBK8XNNiWUsKc9Oe6faKHyYjVQjuLP kENpPjtL/mYAG/bbLDqJRw1UdVo5m9n/axKLEp1qyFI0VVsetZEBk38xa aYKFnT3OQG2wX8FjyK7AxqbOGzLjOVG7+TpP9STfM+QN+1gCoLK3xCzu/ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BHBQAbQ6FV/51dJa1bgxRUab0mCoUtSgKBJTwQAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQEEAQEBNzQLEAsYCSUPBRM2E4guDc5vAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSKSlQuhDdPB4MXgRQFjRyHFYlfgiQBgT8Vjn2EO0qDFSaCPYFeHjGCSwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,454,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="10867502" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2015 16:27:24 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6BGROFA022910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:27:25 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6BGRNJs001575; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:23 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6BGRM9s001574; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:22 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20150711162722.GE23837@cisco.com> References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "Pat \(Patricia\) Thaler" , Carsten Bormann , Fernando Gont , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:27:28 -0000 All these recommendations sound a little bit like how to deal with bears in a national park. Just missing: - Don't annoy the pickpockets - Make sure you've got one in the team who is slower/less careful than you If tourists would talk about pickpocketing to any sales person they meet (shop keeper, waiter, museum, etc. pp) and on social media "i think i saw a pickpocket ... twitter, etc..", AND spend less money in a quarter, priorities of the police would quickly shift. Alas, for the USD centric part of the IETF crowd exchange rater have a 25 % higher buying power now than long term averages because of greece. And CZK is even down somewhat vs. EUR. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:54:32PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:43, Fernando Gont wrote: > > > > On 07/10/2015 02:52 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote: > >>> > >> Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) > >> and never had any trouble. On the other hand, my husband's pocket was > >> picked in Beijing which isn't on the top 10 list. ( He noticed it > >> immediately and nearby strangers helped chase down the thief so he > >> recovered his wallet.) > >> > >> An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per > >> city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is > >> ranked on, e.g. total number, % per population; a different > >> pickpocket statistic might produce a totally different ordering. And > >> it doesn't tell you what the variation was - is it 200% or 5% more > >> likely that you run into a picked pocket at number 2 on the list > >> than number 40? > > > > Even if that information was available... what would be the use of it? > > > > Don't want to be pick-pocketed? -- Usually the best way to avoid that is > > "security through obscurity" and "don't do the obvious stuff that will > > get you pick-pocketed". > > > > > > Some rules of thumb: > > > > * Don't use wallets in your trousers. If needed, use one of those > > "envelopes" that end up below your clothes. > > > > * Compartmentalize: Don't put all your valuables in the same place. Say, > > put cash in one place, and split your credit-cards in different places. > > > > * Thieves can open the zipper of your backpack but also shortcut by > > cutting it: whatever is next to a zipper, even inside the backpack is an > > easier target that something in the middle of it, surrounded by > > unrelated/random stuff. > > > > * Whenever you arrive to a city, ask a local about places where you > > shouldn't go (not in terms of pick-pocketing but in terms of, say, being > > robbed at gun point). > > The only such place I am aware of are the surroundings of the main train station (Hlavni nadrazi) at night. It???s also known as Prague's Sherwood. The interior of the station is quite safe though. > > There is one relatively short route where all the ???tourist industry??? concentrates to an extreme: Charles Bridge - Karlova street - Male namesti - Staromestske namesti (Old Town Square) up to the astronomical clock. My suggestion is to walk on Charles Bridge early in the morning and otherwise avoid this route like plague. > > Lada > > > > > * If you wear a backpack, either do not put any valuables inside, or if > > you do, wear the backpack on the front, rather on the back (frontpack? :-) ) > > > > * Always wear the backpack on the front in very crowded places, such as > > public transport. > > > > * Avoid flashy stuff (golden rings, necklaces, etc.). Thives like them, > > and will easily make you a target. > > > > * Do not leave your belongings unattended: (unattended= you're not > > grabbing them) > > > > * If you need to operate on some valuables (e.g. pick up a phone call on > > a pricey phone), get into a nearby shop -- it's way easier for someone > > to just grab your stuff and runaway if you're in the streets. > > > > * Avoid obvious stuff that will get you robbed (e.g., if you're the only > > person walking on some random street at night, you probably shouldn't be > > there. > > > > * Always be aware of your context (if there's plenty of room and someone > > has been standing next to you, there's probably a reason for that). > > > > * If possible, when doing stuff (e.g., sightseeing), it's better if in > > groups: if you fail with anything of the above, someone else of your > > friends might notice and "save" you. > > > > > > Is the above needed for, say, Prague? -- most likely quite a bit of it > > isn't. But if you incorporate the above and are able to apply it without > > having to think about it, you'll reduce your own personal risk of being > > robbed or pick-pocketed. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Fernando Gont > > e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com > > PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C > > > > -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Sat Jul 11 10:13:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37D81A908C for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mW02oovES_Sf for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4985D1A908B for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2315; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436634781; x=1437844381; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=7w+lt3IskNOg2syWSHh1scb0tHGUlbt9N26jOux/Vlk=; b=mySqf0Oow4nfhWx6B9t+pgjJ73ozccJw4pbDzFKYBEvzNm8g3F/PggoA nWtpAgzi/sXpVsOnd5pNCzIo4b/Es12UWVv4OPdAK6EzsqxIYCrK5ODXG 9ted70N4dIrbQhvE+/jhXq9G++mWSj+0FErLJTyR+yOyPdzHB5er3tM6x U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CPAwC+TaFV/4MNJK1bgxRUabJ2iD4JgWkMhStKAoElOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEJAEBAgIBAQE3LwEECxALGAklDwUTNhOILg3JfgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLTIUGB4MXgRQFhwmGE4cVhGmHGgGBP0WGYpAFJh6DfR4xgksBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,454,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="167796743" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Jul 2015 17:13:00 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6BHCxmb018061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:12:59 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6BHCwdf006254; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:12:58 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6BHCvxZ006253; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:12:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:12:57 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: <20150711171257.GF23837@cisco.com> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: Roland Dobbins , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:13:02 -0000 With respect to carrying knifes on person/carry on the plane, i was trying to figure out what the rules are today: When flying within the EU, regulation 185/2010 seems to only prohibit knifes longer than 6 cm. Googling around, it seems airports randomnly come up with their own regulations though. The best story i read was that seemingly my home airport in germany has pulled stunts like trying to make travellers with a compliant knife miss planes by giving them a runaround with a superviors who's searching the airport for a scale to measure the 6 cm. Sorry, german: http://knife-blog.com/2015/05/messer-im-flugzeug-zwischen-recht-und-realitaet/ Sounds to me as if the airports have no legal way to prohibit you to carry those smaller knifes but they still do it. And in a letter from the german secretary of the interior to a TV station, he made it sound like the airport security MAY permit shorter knifes, but without giving any reference to a legal rule why they could take that away: Sorry, german again: http://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/ratgeber/markt/sendungen/stellungnahme-bundesinnenministerium102.pdf So i guess europe is practicing IDIC or security through obscurity. How boring is the USA. Just go to TSA web page. And for comic relief: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/10/travel/united-pilot-ammunition/ Cheers Toerless On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 01:03:43PM -0300, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > Been there :-) > > A few years ago I had to drop a swiss army knife in the big acrylic box > at SCL's security checkpoint because I forgot to move it to the checked bag. > > On 7/11/15 10:34 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2015, at 17:07, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > >> Every real man is supposed to have a knife in his pocket. > > Except when he goes through security at the airport. > > > > ----------------------------------- > > Roland Dobbins > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Sat Jul 11 10:44:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9879C1A8958 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yqZEeHUPzaiZ for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEEC41A8868 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDypF-0001Fh-Qi; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:44:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Toerless Eckert In-Reply-To: <20150711171257.GF23837@cisco.com> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> <20150711171257.GF23837@cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:44:36 -0000 delaying you is airport security's main tactic for knives, bottle openers, sex toys, confiture, and anything else they don't like (or if they just don't like you). when i have a long time before or between flights, i occasionally amuse myself by letting it play out, asking for a supervisor, ... it is amusing when they realize they are hoist by their own petard (excuse english idiom badly stolen from french). randy From nobody Sat Jul 11 10:50:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3F41A90D8 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:50:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XPFDJBt9jil9 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (hermes.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075441A90D5 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC6D16B40AAD; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:50:49 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEr6Anru0mLH; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:50:48 -0300 (UYT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ec2-54-210-254-204.compute-1.amazonaws.com [54.210.254.204]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F12DB16B40950; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:50:47 -0300 (UYT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-14366370454610.31339506478980184" From: Carlos Martinez To: Randy Bush In-Reply-To: References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> <20150711171257.GF23837@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:50:42 -0300 X-Cm-Message-Id: 1436637045397342b4157487402e6256645f1bff4b06935c55a15775610d186511038 X-Cm-Draft-Id: WyJhIiw1LCJkcmFmdF9pZCIsMTQzNjYzNzA0MjgwNiwidiIsMV0= X-Mailer: CloudMagic Message-Id: <1436637047739-821b91f3-76107c6f-eca7c3a7@lacnic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Toerless Eckert , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:50:52 -0000 ------sinikael-?=_1-14366370454610.31339506478980184 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reminds me of when I fly with yerba mate. It looks like weed in a box. The look in their faces is unique :-) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pa&cv=6.3.45&pv=5.1.1] On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Randy Bush < randy@psg.com [randy@psg.com] > wrote: delaying you is airport security's main tactic for knives, bottle openers, sex toys, confiture, and anything else they don't like (or if they just don't like you). when i have a long time before or between flights, i occasionally amuse myself by letting it play out, asking for a supervisor, ... it is amusing when they realize they are hoist by their own petard (excuse english idiom badly stolen from french). randy _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees ------sinikael-?=_1-14366370454610.31339506478980184 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reminds me of when I fly with yerba mate. It looks like weed in a box. The look in their faces is unique :-)

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On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

delaying you is airport security's main tactic for knives, bottle
openers, sex toys, confiture, and anything else they don't like (or if
they just don't like you).  when i have a long time before or between
flights, i occasionally amuse myself by letting it play out, asking for
a supervisor, ...  it is amusing when they realize they are hoist by
their own petard (excuse english idiom badly stolen from french).

randy

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------sinikael-?=_1-14366370454610.31339506478980184-- From nobody Sat Jul 11 12:10:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330DD1A8876 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FW9b2JrJEBn for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 038FD1A8869 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1262; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436641811; x=1437851411; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=o64iRBMW9l5jexVGCGtJPwePiJlGeaTAkJvoc3Q1w8Y=; b=YXHtiycCLN1uPELFFonQ/GB/Ujj0qovPYCqTKUFwaLSqTAOkHeFX9mdm D7lpZaTTXULDS02pU2d1LU/PVCY0bLwxk93HS0z7xYTlhTqPr0EG9KzG8 vhLHWopGYKejRhfwok2Xxs9lMvW0nIcAIWNmKx242vDG6txB5bnNXYEqL 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BtBQCraaFV/5ldJa1cgxS8eoQmg0QCgSU5EwEBAQEBAQGBCoQkAQEEOj8QCxgJJQ8FSYhBxFoBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXi0yEN08HhCsFjCxwhxWMAwGYayYegW4cgXMegnwBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,454,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="14605122" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2015 19:10:10 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6BJA9Nn000466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:10:09 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6BJA9FF013431; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:09 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6BJA9Wf013430; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:09 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Randy Bush Message-ID: <20150711191009.GH23837@cisco.com> References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> <4F9CE350-9E08-4B36-92D1-375BF75DA942@arbor.net> <55A13E5F.4010703@lacnic.net> <20150711171257.GF23837@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:10:12 -0000 IMHO not much sense in annoying seurity personnel if they are only following explicit security theater rules that they have to adhere to. Which is why i would like to understand better what power of decision is actually given to them so i recognize when someone acts out of spite. Luckily i did not have any such experience with security check personnel. The only case of someone acting in spite was a U.S. immigrations officer in clear violation of written DHS regulations (which alas i only figured out afterwards and i had forgotten to get his name). And i simply participate on the cycle of ebay with leatherman micras that i on and off have to relinquish on the airport when i've again forgotten to adjust my key ring for air travel. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:44:33AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > delaying you is airport security's main tactic for knives, bottle > openers, sex toys, confiture, and anything else they don't like (or if > they just don't like you). when i have a long time before or between > flights, i occasionally amuse myself by letting it play out, asking for > a supervisor, ... it is amusing when they realize they are hoist by > their own petard (excuse english idiom badly stolen from french). > > randy From nobody Sat Jul 11 12:13:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFCF1AC3BE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.261 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.261 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4le2VUUtfYYj for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A86291A8876 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8967CA1; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:13:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1436642001; bh=tWJLlIVm+El/sjWEfoOUVxzJfyo08utUMuJXW4aNkgc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=oX6c7Oz3HeQMf8jCLxu2vn8OTl5Qg3OaJK15adqXHXZyMReAcsf1BG/JY9ZqzTvry LdICrhDqpCmtOO02s1pUuB97xd6n3OchtvEeSYzDP1rDuZwi00HRVpDaHeygjh+kHY bkNXJh/uyneXRUO69Dl1ISIZMNJ7l3ZXXqK9S1g8= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6E99F; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:13:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "McDonald, Alex" In-Reply-To: <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> Message-ID: References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <261176AF-0094-45B4-B6A4-33D4784AE5A8@netapp.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:13:26 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, McDonald, Alex wrote: > Allowed. You may find thru transit countries and some carriers don't > allow their transportation. I traveled between Stockholm and Berlin with the following in my carry-on: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11139442_10152695158766595_1620259951052288154_n.jpg?oh=4ba5d98b2e12c29d5d242f7743d51ed5&oe=561F7AAD Weirdly, the complaint from security in Berlin (none in Stockholm) I got was for the screwdriver. As far as I can tell from EU regulation, the pocket knife (with less than 6cm non-locking blade) is allowed even as carry-on on airplanes and generally allowed all across the EU). http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/air/security/doc/info_travellers_hand_luggage.pdf -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Sun Jul 12 04:00:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A511ACDF1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.731 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.731 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7oUVarG1kgsD for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88F4C1ACDF0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1044.25; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:00:47 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1044.021; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:00:47 -0700 From: Richard Lamb To: Warren Kumari Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague Thread-Index: AQHQu0uuDm3rtfWPKkeNHTF4tN+WSZ3WhfqAgAEncNo= Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:00:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:00:51 -0000 I just took the 119 bus to the A train and got off in town. 32kc. (+16 wi= th luggage). Rick Lamb (always trying to save my company money) Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:23, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Benson Schliesser > wrote: >> To anybody that knows Prague better: >>=20 >> Is it reasonable to expect taxis to accept credit cards, or are they >> typically cash transactions? >>=20 >> Also, do you know if Uber and/or similar services (i.e. Internet / app b= ased >> car services) operate in Prague including the airport? >=20 > I just arrived and took a AAA cab from the airport -- cost 635 Czk and > I paid by (Visa) credit card. >=20 >=20 > W >=20 >=20 >> Uber's website >> suggests that they do operate in Prague, but I'm unclear on the limits o= f >> that service. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance. >> -Benson >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Sun Jul 12 04:52:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B861A8AEC for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.149 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ePghA_SmH0a for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from betl.marias.cz (betl.marias.cz [89.250.250.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D46B1A8AB9 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amazonanVAIO (ip-78-45-23-148.net.upcbroadband.cz [78.45.23.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by betl.marias.cz (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t6CBpdwl029223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:52:04 +0200 From: "Ing.Tomas Marsalek" To: <93attendees@ietf.org> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net>, In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:51:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000001d0bc99$2a33f250$7e9bd6f0$@auditel.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLc53kTI1yZRVVq9hyMeaDI2BDO+gFqSsWUAbdCg+ybpkzoYA== Content-Language: cs Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:52:10 -0000 Dear all, Prague is nice city (my born) with plenty of fun..... But outside Prague are also nice history places (castles etc) - If you still have time (1/2 day or 1 day) it's my suggestion to visit. For example: http://www.hradkarlstejn.cz/en/ http://www.ossuary.eu/index.php/en/ossuary http://www.hrad-kokorin.cz/english/home.html http://www.zamek-konopiste.cz/en/ If you are interested in and need transport there + local support let me know. BR Tomas Marsalek From nobody Sun Jul 12 12:37:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8FE1A8892 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:37:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.847 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZLoqhVkv43H for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:8240:6:a::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3001A888E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [186.137.82.224] (helo=[192.168.3.107]) by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEN4L-0004uJ-M3; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:37:45 +0200 Message-ID: <55A1B635.80107@gont.com.ar> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:35:01 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toerless Eckert , Ladislav Lhotka References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> <20150711162722.GE23837@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20150711162722.GE23837@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "Pat \(Patricia\) Thaler" , Carsten Bormann , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:37:55 -0000 On 07/11/2015 01:27 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > All these recommendations sound a little bit like how to deal with > bears in a national park. Just missing: Not sure what that means. :-) > - Don't annoy the pickpockets > - Make sure you've got one in the team who is slower/less careful than you > > If tourists would talk about pickpocketing to any sales person they > meet (shop keeper, waiter, museum, etc. pp) and on social media "i think > i saw a pickpocket ... twitter, etc..", AND spend less money in a quarter, > priorities of the police would quickly shift. Not at all. Certainly security issues are known e.g. in latin-america, ad such issues making the news (by itself) hasn't eliminated the problem. Besides, if you want to solve a security problem the right place to go is probably a police station.. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From nobody Sun Jul 12 14:20:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A4F1A8F34 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.039 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtYIL1a6wLsZ for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34D861A8BBF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.151.96] (ip-89-177-113-105.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.177.113.105]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96171180BCE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:20:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436736017; bh=uVrehQfAc0EDfV7e4ZWlSpM5UN1iMpnvgZ1GCoUAJqE=; h=Date:From:To; b=RrWkR6Aq1W+tu4MfbAwo3kyLz7EIMJehsr4DUqfn57A6IHqAx+x1DTPhnOQqgzrJT P3pRyx7tfdiSY+JnmNQeMqRrjT8sVmJ/gsSq2+qqW1iHCty6cvL2N5M+Lo8KcZGZ5+ xArSOgu2U8aAe0d5hHW9g5th+TL0WPCU3QliRh74= Message-ID: <55A2DA11.1000301@nic.cz> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:20:17 +0200 From: Ondrej Mikle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <3D13BEA2-6AD7-4DCB-80D2-A179F50E311D@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:20:20 -0000 On 07/11/2015 01:02 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >> Warren >> Does your Visa have a chip (mine doesn't)? > > Mine is chip and pin (not chip and signature), but there was no > discussion of any of that -- I walked up the the taxi and said "Do you > take credit cards" - he replied in the affirmative and off we went. > There was no discussion of chip / not / etc. If a taxi/shop has a credit card terminal, it most likely accepts both chip and magstripe (chip-less) cards. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:19:30 -0000 People say that visiting Prague is like stepping back in time, and in at least one area this is quite literally true: Prague (And the Czech Republic) still permits smoking in restaurants and pubs. It is up to each establishment to be either smoking, non-smoking, or mixed (with non-smoking sections), which tend to work as well as swimming pools with non-peeing sections. The breakfast restaurant at the Hilton Prague is non-smoking, but the terrace restaurant is mixed. The Wiki has some non-smoking restaurants listed: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf93 -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Our greatest fear is that the Internet will become a vehicle of free distribution of information. --Ken Wasch, President of the Software Publishers' Association, 5 September 1995 From nobody Sun Jul 12 18:45:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319981ACD3B for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:45:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EH37HdOcRX5J for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B2E71ACD3A for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19EE28B0041; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BF51F8035; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_86E71A87-3FA9-4E51-8D31-7433B5377C4A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:45:11 -0400 Message-Id: References: <55A02612.2090308@queuefull.net> <3B7B8B99-DE15-4E89-B491-C4A133025163@nic.cz> To: Ladislav Lhotka X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: Benson Schliesser , 93attendees@ietf.org, Sandra Murphy Subject: Re: [93attendees] pocket knife in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:45:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_86E71A87-3FA9-4E51-8D31-7433B5377C4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >=20 >> On 10 Jul 2015, at 22:07, Benson Schliesser = wrote: >>=20 >> Does anybody know whether it is legal to carry a pocket knife in = Prague? I usually carry one in my pocket at home and in some US cities = where I better know the laws. I mostly use it for opening Amazon boxes = and cutting foods like fruit and cheese - but I know that it isn't = always considered to be a benign instrument by the authorities=85 >=20 > No problem whatsoever, on the contrary! This is a well-known Czech = saying: Every real man is supposed to have a knife in his pocket. >=20 How refreshing a change from London, where one of our group at the = London Eye lost his pocket knife to the security folk and had to write = down his name and passport number. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 04:53:42 -0000 * Randall Gellens > People say that visiting Prague is like stepping back in time, and in > at least one area this is quite literally true: Prague (And the Czech > Republic) still permits smoking in restaurants and pubs. It is up to > each establishment to be either smoking, non-smoking, or mixed (with > non-smoking sections), which tend to work as well as swimming pools > with non-peeing sections. Hmm. Right. I hope the social event venue is non-smoking, or at least has separate smoking and non-smoking areas with a physical barrier between them. If not, I have a ticket I'd be more than willing to part with... 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[86.49.85.106]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ju2sm10700348wid.12.2015.07.12.14.12.17 for <93attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A2D830.5090203@krsek.cz> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:12:16 +0200 From: Michal Krsek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:07:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague (transport from the airport) X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:12:22 -0000 Hello, Uber is active in CZ, but I've been told they are lacking drivers (so do not be surprised with "no cars available nearby" message). We have local competitor "Liftago" ( http://www.liftago.com ) that allows also card payment. As other local people reports, AAATaxi at the airport allows card payment (expect swiping machines not sure if those cars supports chip or wireless transactions). Prague has good and dense public transport (but airport is being served by buses only). From the Airport to Hilton you can use either of transport: A) Bus #100 to Zlicin (end station) and then yellow Metro B towards Cerny Most (the only way), exit at Florenc B) Bus AE to Hlavni nadrazi and then red Metro C towards Letnany, exit at Florenc (next stop) - this should be fastest For other hotels, you may use also Bus #119 towards "Nadrazi Veleslavin" and then green Metro A towards "Depo Hostivar" - for overflow hotel Intercontinental, you should exit at "Staromestska". Tickets are on sale at bus stations at the airport or for "AE" at the bus driver. With kind regards Michal P.S: There is a page of public transport company describing airport transfer: http://www.dpp.cz/en/public-transit-to-prague-airport/ and transit schematics http://www.dpp.cz/en/transport-around-prague/transit-schematics/ From nobody Mon Jul 13 08:07:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13BC1A8944 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FA2CbYdqsPwK for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7534A1A88BD for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1436739535; x=1468275535; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to:from:subject: cc:mime-version; bh=dHURqiqy/iv2iYAkBM1AY4JnKB4R0/yPvc3eG/ZeTsQ=; b=ub4wPCa8oiBI07+80+t6WlUCGFEWXTtCvuE9/QcnbH498uQz9YoX5OWV 5+zaio1SaT/s8r1Z/SIvpH2Ifho09xMM6pkd6Q7ZTyJZ49ww4Ij/olDKI D1IcHVg1QFVlIYGKSIXLEeugXJ9y2keDxGT4TKtPWlJToveXdZpa+cSeN s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,7860"; a="127455941" Received: from ironmsg01-lv.qualcomm.com ([10.47.202.180]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2015 15:18:54 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,458,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="33532682" Received: from nasanexm02f.na.qualcomm.com ([10.85.0.87]) by ironmsg01-lv.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 12 Jul 2015 15:18:53 -0700 Received: from [99.111.97.136] (10.80.80.8) by nasanexm02f.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.87) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:52 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:50 -0700 To: Ole Jacobsen , "Larry Kreeger (kreeger)" From: Randall Gellens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Originating-IP: [10.80.80.8] X-ClientProxiedBy: NASANEXM01C.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.83) To nasanexm02f.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.87) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:07:04 -0700 Cc: Benson Schliesser , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:18:56 -0000 Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns Hilton points. At 3:59 PM -0700 7/10/15, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your > flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US > $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. > > Ole > > > Ole J. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:34:32 -0000 --001a1141cad62040a5051ac36eb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does anyone have a spare CEE 7/6 (Type E) Apple power cable (the rubberized cable between the power supply and the wall) that they'd like to swap for a NEMA-15 (Type B) cable? -- Matthew Pounsett Senior DNS Engineer [image: Rightside] matt.pounsett@rightside.co www.rightside.co --001a1141cad62040a5051ac36eb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a1141cad62040a5051ac36eb5-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 08:46:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BBE1B2BCB for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.77 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.77 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3ou-wVqLKGZ for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netnod.se (mail.netnod.se [192.71.80.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE331B2BA0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2.66.238.7] (2.66.238.7.mobile.tre.se [2.66.238.7]) (Authenticated sender: paf) by mail.netnod.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED9F37C0A2; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6BD485F2-B9D8-44C6-BA33-6DE594EE245B Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: =?utf-8?Q?Patrik_F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:46:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <360B34FB-C88B-47FD-8266-2C3DE061BC5F@netnod.se> References: To: Matthew Pounsett Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Apple power cable swap X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:46:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6BD485F2-B9D8-44C6-BA33-6DE594EE245B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can use any cable with normal 8-shaped connection in the other end. You d= o not need an apple one. Patrik > On 13 jul 2015, at 17:32, Matthew Pounsett wr= ote: >=20 > Does anyone have a spare CEE 7/6 (Type E) Apple power cable (the rubberize= d cable between the power supply and the wall) that they'd like to swap for a= NEMA-15 (Type B) cable? =20 >=20 > --=20 > Matthew Pounsett > Senior DNS Engineer > matt.pounsett@rightside.co > www.rightside.co > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail-6BD485F2-B9D8-44C6-BA33-6DE594EE245B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can use any cable with normal 8-sh= aped connection in the other end. You do not need an apple one.
   Patrik



On 13 jul 2015, a= t 17:32, Matthew Pounsett <= matt.pounsett@rightside.co> wrote:

Does anyone have a spare CEE 7/6 (Type E) Ap= ple power cable (the rubberized cable between the power supply and the wall)= that they'd like to swap for a NEMA-15 (Type B) cable?  
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m <paf@netnod.= se> wrote:
You can use any cable with normal 8-shaped connection in the other e= nd. You do not need an apple one.

Yeah, but I've got a box full of spares, so I might as well swap one= of my spares for someone else's.
=C2=A0

=
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--001a1141cad699a4da051ac3dca4-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 09:12:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8711A8A46 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-p3Dt2PYhGU for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A80F1A8A51 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA15A6000C; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QSjEPa+CrZxQ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs-211-104.cs.ucla.edu (Cs-211-104.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.211.104]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A08EBA60003; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EEF5172A-8266-41C0-BFC1-C06E156E0407" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lixia Zhang In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:30 -0700 Message-Id: References: <360B34FB-C88B-47FD-8266-2C3DE061BC5F@netnod.se> To: Matthew Pounsett X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Patrik_F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m?= , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Apple power cable swap X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:12:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EEF5172A-8266-41C0-BFC1-C06E156E0407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Matthew Pounsett = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m = > wrote: > You can use any cable with normal 8-shaped connection in the other = end. You do not need an apple one. >=20 > Yeah, but I've got a box full of spares, so I might as well swap one = of my spares for someone else's. I will bring my US spares in case anyone wants for future needs --Apple-Mail=_EEF5172A-8266-41C0-BFC1-C06E156E0407 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Matthew Pounsett <matt.pounsett@rightside.co> wrote:



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Patrik = F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m <paf@netnod.se> wrote:
You = can use any cable with normal 8-shaped connection in the other end. You = do not need an apple one.

Yeah, but I've got a box full of = spares, so I might as well swap one of my spares for someone = else's.

I will bring my US spares in case anyone wants for = future needs


= --Apple-Mail=_EEF5172A-8266-41C0-BFC1-C06E156E0407-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 10:49:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255601B2CA6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aF1lmrc9i52m for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0F211B2CC3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEhqT-0002cF-11; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:48:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Randall Gellens In-Reply-To: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:49:01 -0000 > Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to > your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns > Hilton points. >> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your >> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US >> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get to town. randy From nobody Mon Jul 13 12:48:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B02C1B2DDE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.662 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o0xFqGpydPpk for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2F51B2DDA for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.21.103] (cpe-98-122-46-16.sc.res.rr.com [98.122.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3FB8FFC1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:48:16 -0400 To: 93attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3067\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3067) Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:48:20 -0000 I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 = (70ea9d2) of the app. 1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown = instead. 2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the = Group view. You can work around this by going to Settings and select a = previous conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and = it should rebuild the group list. 3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The = workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the = issues. I was running late getting the update out and missed these = during testing. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:51:24 -0000 On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to >> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns >> Hilton points. >>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your >>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US >>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. > it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get > to town. Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? Late to this thread, so this was probably covered... 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[68.115.154.254]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d195sm19034481ywb.8.2015.07.13.13.01.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A4196F.10205@queuefull.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:02:55 -0400 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.1 (Macintosh/20150514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <20150713065336.6368219b@envy.fud.no> In-Reply-To: <20150713065336.6368219b@envy.fud.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Tore Anderson , Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [93attendees] Prague still permits smoking in restaurants/pubs X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:01:53 -0000 Tore Anderson wrote: > Hmm. Right. I hope the social event venue is non-smoking, or at least > has separate smoking and non-smoking areas with a physical barrier > between them. I'm told that there will be a smoking area available outside the building where the Social is taking place (the ofn Palace). I hope and expect that this should accommodate everybody comfortably. See http://www.ietf93.cz/#socialevent for other practical details about the Social. 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[86.137.71.211]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm23807749wja.15.2015.07.13.13.09.39 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55a41b04.2809c20a.1f934.517f@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rosen, Brian" , Tom Pusateri , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> From: John Dowdell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:09:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_A6A207D0-CE6C-4354-962F-D787B6E23965_" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:09:44 -0000 --_A6A207D0-CE6C-4354-962F-D787B6E23965_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" +1 to that. This app is truly wonderful and saves a lot of calendar typing. John -----Original Message----- From: "Rosen, Brian" Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57 To: "Tom Pusateri" ; "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendee= s@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues You are forgiven It is a wonderful app. I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it. I=E2=80=99ll de= al with bugs (especially those I know about and have workarounds). Thank you for creating and maintaining it. On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" wrote: >I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 >(70ea9d2) of the app. > >1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown inste= ad. >2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Grou= p view. >You can work around this by going to Settings and select a previous >conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it should >rebuild the group list. >3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The >workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. > >I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the >issues. I was running late getting the update out and missed these during >testing. > >Thanks, >Tom > >_______________________________________________ >93attendees mailing list >93attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees _______________________________________________=0A= 93attendees mailing list=0A= 93attendees@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees=0A= --_A6A207D0-CE6C-4354-962F-D787B6E23965_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
+1 to that. This app is truly wonderful and saves a lot o= f calendar typing.

John
F= rom: Rosen, Brian
Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57
To: Tom Pusateri; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subjec= t: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues

You are forgiven

It is a wonderful app.  I=E2=80=99m very happ= y to have it.  I=E2=80=99ll deal with bugs
(especially those I know= about and have workarounds).

Thank you for creating and maintaining= it.



On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.= com> wrote:

>I found a few bugs that may affect you with the l= atest version 1.10.0
>(70ea9d2) of the app.
>
>1. Slides = aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown instead.
>= 2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Group= view.
>You can work around this by going to Settings and select a pr= evious
>conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and= it should
>rebuild the group list.
>3. There was a report of a= n error Popup for Calendar events. The
>workaround is to delete the a= pp and reinstall it from the App Store.
>
>I am working on a fi= x for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the
>issues. I was runn= ing late getting the update out and missed these during
>testing.
= >
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>_____________________________= __________________
>93attendees mailing list
>93attendees@ietf.= org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

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<= /body>= --_A6A207D0-CE6C-4354-962F-D787B6E23965_-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:13:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8461B2DFC for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:13:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.087 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BUYHFbdntVa8 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [141.82.217.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50AEB1A8867 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576D41D601B for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:13:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 4wzvFufZg4Wh for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (ppp-62-216-193-127.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.193.127]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BCA21D60AE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:13:20 +0200 (CEST) To: 93attendees@ietf.org From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:13:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:13:39 -0000 Hello everyone, during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on another large wireless campus network with interesting results and will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics which will not reveal data about individual users of the network and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we collected. More information on the experiment can be found here: http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an Email. See you in Prague, Rolf From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:28:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767091B2DFE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gKNyAJkVLpKN for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A99C1A8845 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEkKq-0003YL-1u; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:28:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Robert Moskowitz In-Reply-To: <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: Randall Gellens , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:28:24 -0000 > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns >>> Hilton points. >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get >> to town. > > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing' exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. randy From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:30:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFF91A88B6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hFZNeedpr8Fy for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 479531A88A9 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (76-218-10-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.10.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6DKUJ2Z008491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:24 -0700 Message-ID: <55A41FD7.5030906@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:15 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rolf Winter References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> In-Reply-To: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:30:29 -0000 On 7/13/2015 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: > Hello everyone, > > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF wireless > network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the network with > the goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP broadcasts. ... > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html Hmmm. Assurances on that web page notwithstanding doesn't this fall under human subjects rules for experiments and/or rules of privacy protection? For example: http://inside.augsburg.edu/irb/ If not, why not? If so, how have the relevant requirements been satisfied? Thanks. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:43:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A111A88D9 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfHwfF5pOG7o for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ACE21A8820 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkbp125 with SMTP id p125so263043235qkb.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SOmNJ+nTEIQ92B6CuSYxeLYt8kdf2rfECZitdxZqvaM=; b=YbpUd+Pg9nTe6lkZ5a+XYR/7UBq5L/78Ry10gKG8Y1tgOzlnLIN+BnsIK48cXqeaoO CbqnXEGadAfXaZbLcY6XfLWoQdKIu8QJRQ4v7dRxVcouTfVVlPSgu2xJaetCbJ0INvjM U9+5BBX7wnx1Xl8JY/1LpNBJLNWzLiDbgYUf0NHw99o1tm8gtonXpeuU5voEtiEY3OI3 vZwH1Fg02hI19arJQMbX8PPhDuIKudwCBoIrYCesyr2Xmwx6qDWUJKYt70qjSRC79sdg zLnItOLe1GhhTYeZ2JP05jTs2x9s773mKnHp1ygnRntKiyf8cj9nrZkIyIz3a5Th7CTB UhlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.46.67 with SMTP id j61mr27683497qga.17.1436820232830; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.80.208 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:43:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Shumon Huque To: Randy Bush Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11391d6495850c051ac7c76b Archived-At: Cc: Robert Moskowitz , Randall Gellens , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: shuque@gmail.com List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:43:55 -0000 --001a11391d6495850c051ac7c76b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to > >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns > >>> Hilton points. > >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your > >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US > >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. > >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get > >> to town. > > > > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? > > hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a > metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing' > exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. > > You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier. http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ Shumon Huque. --001a11391d6495850c051ac7c76b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush= wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be c= harged to
>>> your room folio.=C2=A0 Depending on how it's coded, this u= sually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0flight info and they will meet you at the airp= ort for 900 CZK or US
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0$36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.=
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get >> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.=C2= =A0 take a
metered taxi.=C2=A0 or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sha= ring'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.


You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the compan= y others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague= , and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today= 9;s exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate men= tioned earlier.


Shumon Huque.

--001a11391d6495850c051ac7c76b-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:55:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D9D1A8924 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gUujfk2B1q44 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com (mail-pa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4639A1A892B for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by padck2 with SMTP id ck2so48405422pad.0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=m9514fzq2hp2EIt3Abb/Jh0Qo/VYc0Ly6c8vGiDHOM8=; b=OnYW5LhtDQLUK1LfeFNz5W0A68csJEclWPhMktskiAbmiO2TvrNkztpdz6ILKxWWkq xBFOqZd78xKxojr5B3MP8Cn4MKSKJI16tQwDaAuW2vqleg3UPPzydX4uH9m8xPWrzyX4 cug5hcxwRIt4wl5xFDATyhFeqhWMR+fY/jHrjMXyD8MDp5cKh4edf29RtEdPPoDeUb01 XZOR4WqSDkbdxGo6sCjIdACM9SR5EMUZiuTmVd9QTuRUGiV3vZNIew9jtkltueFqMQe/ ivnLYcl1NLeg56O4nLVZBYEf528VFffjx4kVB4YzzXg5UPpOjJWY05BU2Jt5rmL2Aw/0 I3yA== X-Received: by 10.68.109.67 with SMTP id hq3mr72190231pbb.83.1436820912843; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:420:289:1252:a541:a1d8:a4e7:b6fd? ([2001:420:289:1252:a541:a1d8:a4e7:b6fd]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id zx1sm19437433pbb.73.2015.07.13.13.55.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3427CF1D-2093-4310-8AD3-DC87B1ABA85B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <55a41b04.2809c20a.1f934.517f@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:55:38 -0700 Message-Id: <1063B78F-0BED-468F-8FE0-B5234847E43A@gmail.com> References: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> <55a41b04.2809c20a.1f934.517f@mx.google.com> To: John Dowdell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "Rosen, Brian" , Tom Pusateri , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:55:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3427CF1D-2093-4310-8AD3-DC87B1ABA85B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would echo that. Tom has been particularly responsive when issues are = found. Fix is almost instantaneous. > On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Dowdell > wrote: >=20 > +1 to that. This app is truly wonderful and saves a lot of calendar = typing. >=20 > John > From: Rosen, Brian > Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57 > To: Tom Pusateri ; 93attendees@ietf.org = > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues >=20 > You are forgiven >=20 > It is a wonderful app. I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it. I=E2=80=99ll= deal with bugs > (especially those I know about and have workarounds). >=20 > Thank you for creating and maintaining it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" > wrote: >=20 > >I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 > >(70ea9d2) of the app. > > > >1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown = instead. > >2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the = Group view. > >You can work around this by going to Settings and select a previous > >conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it = should > >rebuild the group list. > >3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The > >workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. > > > >I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the > >issues. I was running late getting the update out and missed these = during > >testing. > > > >Thanks, > >Tom > > > >_______________________________________________ > >93attendees mailing list > >93attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_3427CF1D-2093-4310-8AD3-DC87B1ABA85B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I would echo that. Tom has been particularly responsive when = issues are found. Fix is almost instantaneous.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Dowdell <john.dowdell.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 to that. This app is = truly wonderful and saves a lot of calendar typing.

John
From: Rosen, = Brian
Sent: = =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57
To: Tom Pusateri; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] = IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues

You are forgiven

It is a = wonderful app.  I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it.  I=E2=80=99ll= deal with bugs
(especially those I know about and have = workarounds).

Thank you for creating and = maintaining it.



On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.com> = wrote:

>I found a few bugs that may = affect you with the latest version 1.10.0
>(70ea9d2) of = the app.
>
>1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t = loading correctly and a blank page is shown instead.
>2. = Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Group = view.
>You can work around this by going to Settings = and select a previous
>conference (like IETF 92) and = then switch back to IETF 93 and it should
>rebuild the = group list.
>3. There was a report of an error Popup = for Calendar events. The
>workaround is to delete the = app and reinstall it from the App Store.
>
>I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. = Sorry for the
>issues. I was running late getting the = update out and missed these during
>testing.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>_______________________________________________
>93attendees mailing list
>93attendees@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

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= --Apple-Mail=_3427CF1D-2093-4310-8AD3-DC87B1ABA85B-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 13:57:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9255A1A8938 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t4OYnmq1EQ7H for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB67B1A892E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkcl188 with SMTP id l188so80102093qkc.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+dg4AYHAs2TUadBHnNhBv4w58WYHBapJvkCto+ApDfc=; b=t8EFXISpl8ZoHgu15Bnx/11dvf/EFzdc7tZYIPIOk1lCpmIMalVGmXjWwxXmfowJXn mDlbCa1B90rodOsWVf3gBw0ypkYmYLpei0MvdyRTId3lk9x1Yxcduud7mPUX1zzk/C+t Az6TfryJu7uHkoXbKrQDXpLoE7yMVZ7wjFhcWA7X23WcKBq3KSY7/aTIBCSbhpyfcwDc nit92isZOSNtMtNDLEF0+LJqsSkxWQEjd7YAT3g8caqBGFB9D7AmH4IVnNeJoROVPotP 2QpsmxoXfWpyAZGJMklkWVBkaA9m44DE20CpqojgIFmkE0CjYW4jezaHwsYdXFzh4Wxd TFBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.41.84 with SMTP id p81mr5639382qkh.95.1436821033019; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.80.208 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Shumon Huque To: Randy Bush Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147b63c476f40051ac7f7dc Archived-At: Cc: Robert Moskowitz , Randall Gellens , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: shuque@gmail.com List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:57:15 -0000 --001a1147b63c476f40051ac7f7dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to >> >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns >> >>> Hilton points. >> >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your >> >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US >> >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. >> >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get >> >> to town. >> > >> > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? >> >> hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a >> metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing' >> exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. >> >> > You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have > mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it > quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange > rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier. > > http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ > > Shumon Huque. > > Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ... Shumon. --001a1147b63c476f40051ac7f7dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 = at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be c= harged to
>>> your room folio.=C2=A0 Depending on how it's coded, this u= sually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com w= ith your
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0flight info and they will meet you at the airp= ort for 900 CZK or US
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0$36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.=
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get >> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.=C2= =A0 take a
metered taxi.=C2=A0 or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sha= ring'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.


You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company ot= hers have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, an= d it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's = exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mention= ed earlier.


Shumon Huque.

Although, I just no= ticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

Shumon.

--001a1147b63c476f40051ac7f7dc-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:05:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDCE1A893E for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82GeP55gu04w for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937661A895D for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so72334438wic.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1ZYkTCg2wC1KiX+cX3riqknSjZ2jm6aLMlS1lNPyUkE=; b=Ecp3S++kq/6Exbr5w/rRG/Wd/BDLwTyOdtAS2XZ/KdtjyMynbaAS6SjqhPY+vkwrHD +NHfc+ji5jGJgNbBWmhbyJNQJZIDelqkjugc3mo4bv5VUrfmcRrQeDrKKtA8HZqVKL// R3q0Yb25nFpCott37NdrGlAPjPdJNi74VI1lcg3xiYtrYlDUnoHpbD8ZW3LZ5Gm+uFCk Kz0UZx95mGjWjga0dQ7eHol+GfcXVnnACo2TV2C+bV6K+amadBEG6nF+NHiJfibhxgrT 7Lmip3e21Jt/hwpf6/4P2ebHEUyUqiUzmXkp/ADwds8nB6f4VHjyO6uJ+r4wUIiAgKtA +2YA== X-Received: by 10.180.149.206 with SMTP id uc14mr27667317wib.12.1436821518200; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.17.145 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1063B78F-0BED-468F-8FE0-B5234847E43A@gmail.com> References: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> <55a41b04.2809c20a.1f934.517f@mx.google.com> <1063B78F-0BED-468F-8FE0-B5234847E43A@gmail.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3800832b620051ac8140d Archived-At: Cc: Tom Pusateri , "Rosen, Brian" , John Dowdell , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:05:21 -0000 --001a11c3800832b620051ac8140d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all those of you that like the app, it would be nice of you to give it a positive review in the app store. It just takes a minute ... Cheers, Andy On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani < mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote: > I would echo that. Tom has been particularly responsive when issues are > found. Fix is almost instantaneous. > > On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Dowdell > wrote: > > +1 to that. This app is truly wonderful and saves a lot of calendar typin= g. > > John > ------------------------------ > From: Rosen, Brian > Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57 > To: Tom Pusateri ; 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues > > You are forgiven > > It is a wonderful app. I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it. I=E2=80=99ll = deal with bugs > (especially those I know about and have workarounds). > > Thank you for creating and maintaining it. > > > > On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" wrote: > > >I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 > >(70ea9d2) of the app. > > > >1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown ins= tead. > >2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Gr= oup view. > >You can work around this by going to Settings and select a previous > >conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it should > >rebuild the group list. > >3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The > >workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. > > > >I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the > >issues. I was running late getting the update out and missed these durin= g > >testing. > > > >Thanks, > >Tom > > > >_______________________________________________ > >93attendees mailing list > >93attendees@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > --001a11c3800832b620051ac8140d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For all those of you that like the app, it would be nice o= f you to give it a positive review in the app store. It just takes a minute= ...

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Jul 13, 201= 5 at 4:55 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:
I would echo that. Tom has been particularly responsive when issues= are found. Fix is almost instantaneous.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Dowdell = <john.d= owdell.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 to that. This app is trul= y wonderful and saves a lot of calendar typing.

John
From: Rosen, Brian
Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015= 20:57
To: = Tom Pusateri; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone= /iPad app known issues

You are forgiven

It is a = wonderful app.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll = deal with bugs
(especially those I know about and have workarounds).
=
Thank you for creating and maintaining it.



On 7/13/15, 3= :48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:

>I found a fe= w bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0
>(70ea9d2) = of the app.
>
>1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a= blank page is shown instead.
>2. Some of the working groups in ART a= ren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Group view.
>You can work around this= by going to Settings and select a previous
>conference (like IETF 92= ) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it should
>rebuild the group li= st.
>3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The=
>workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store= .
>
>I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. So= rry for the
>issues. I was running late getting the update out and mi= ssed these during
>testing.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>=
>_______________________________________________
>93attendees = mailing list
>93attendees@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listin= fo/93attendees

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--001a11c3800832b620051ac8140d-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:07:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3471A8992 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IXAXZ-VQU0Gs for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [50.253.254.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25ABB1A895D for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BE75FA1C; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oFovLcoZaUtJ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (rrcs-24-43-232-186.west.biz.rr.com [24.43.232.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB3235FA37; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55A4287A.8020009@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:07:06 -1000 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shuque@gmail.com, Randy Bush References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070605020902020307010607" Archived-At: Cc: Randall Gellens , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:07:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070605020902020307010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush > wrote: > > > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be > charged to > >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this > usually earns > >>> Hilton points. > >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com > with your > >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for > 900 CZK or US > >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. > >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get > >> to town. > > > > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? > > hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, > transport. take a > metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the > 'sharing' > exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. > > > You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others > have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton > Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US > $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of > the Hilton rate mentioned earlier. > > http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ > > Shumon Huque. > > > Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 > CZK/km ... And how far is it? I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up. He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route. Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive! Also did make my flight. --------------070605020902020307010607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a
metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.
You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.


Shumon Huque.


Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

And how far is it?

I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up. He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route. Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive! Also did make my flight.


--------------070605020902020307010607-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:27:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69A61A012D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:27:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.888 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_27=0.6, MANGLED_LIST=2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LbyZnAqRIIMj for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 688BD1A00FE for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E3D81FCAB3; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EEB2160046; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7B1160090; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id BJCdV2qITbGw; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (c122-106-161-187.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.161.187]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7515B160046; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rock.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858EF32CF0B0; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:27:40 +1000 (EST) To: "Andrew G. Malis" From: Mark Andrews References: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> <55a41b04.2809c20a.1f934.517f@mx.google.com> <1063B78F-0BED-468F-8FE0-B5234847E43A@gmail.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:04:58 -0400." Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:27:40 +1000 Message-Id: <20150713212740.858EF32CF0B0@rock.dv.isc.org> Archived-At: Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , "Rosen, Brian" , John Dowdell , Tom Pusateri , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:27:50 -0000 In message , "Andrew G. Malis" writes: > > For all those of you that like the app, it would be nice of you to give it > a positive review in the app store. It just takes a minute ... > > Cheers, > Andy The iPhone 3gs got orphaned (iOS 6.1.6) a IETF or so back. It was good up to that stage. I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars replacing a perfectly functional phone. Yes - I did respond to the survey at the time. Apple really needs to properly support versioned apps. Just because the new phones have more pixcels is not a good reason to make it impossible to get app updates. Mark > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani < > mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I would echo that. Tom has been particularly responsive when issues are > > found. Fix is almost instantaneous. > > > > On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:09 PM, John Dowdell > > wrote: > > > > +1 to that. This app is truly wonderful and saves a lot of calendar typin= > g. > > > > John > > ------------------------------ > > From: Rosen, Brian > > Sent: =E2=80=8E13/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 20:57 > > To: Tom Pusateri ; 93attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues > > > > You are forgiven > > > > It is a wonderful app. I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it. I=E2=80=99ll = > deal with bugs > > (especially those I know about and have workarounds). > > > > Thank you for creating and maintaining it. > > > > > > > > On 7/13/15, 3:48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" wrote: > > > > >I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 > > >(70ea9d2) of the app. > > > > > >1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown ins= > tead. > > >2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Gr= > oup view. > > >You can work around this by going to Settings and select a previous > > >conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it should > > >rebuild the group list. > > >3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The > > >workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. > > > > > >I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the > > >issues. I was running late getting the update out and missed these durin= > g > > >testing. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Tom > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >93attendees mailing list > > >93attendees@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > > --001a11c3800832b620051ac8140d > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >
For all those of you that like the app, it would be nice o= > f you to give it a positive review in the app store. It just takes a minute= > ...

Cheers,
Andy

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You are forgiven

It is a = > wonderful app.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m very happy to have it.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll = > deal with bugs
(especially those I know about and have workarounds).
= >
Thank you for creating and maintaining it.



On 7/13/15, 3= > :48 PM, "Tom Pusateri" < target=3D"_blank">pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:

>I found a fe= > w bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0
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>
>1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a= > blank page is shown instead.
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>You can work around this= > by going to Settings and select a previous
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>rebuild the group li= > st.
>3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The= >
>workaround is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store= > .
>
>I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. So= > rry for the
>issues. I was running late getting the update out and mi= > ssed these during
>testing.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:34:47 -0000 --001a114065186d640c051ac87d5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>> > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to >>> >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns >>> >>> Hilton points. >>> >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your >>> >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or >>> US >>> >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. >>> >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get >>> >> to town. >>> > >>> > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? >>> >>> hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a >>> metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing' >>> exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. >>> >>> >> You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have >> mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it >> quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange >> rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier. >> >> http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ >> >> Shumon Huque. >> >> > Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 > CZK/km ... > > > And how far is it? > Google maps route claims 16.1km, so that's an additional 320.39 for a total of 721.39 CZK, or about US $26.69. Shumon --001a114065186d640c051ac87d5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult= .com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20


On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <= ;randy@psg.com> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio.=C2=A0 Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Folks, you can send = an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0flight info and they= will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0$36 EUR 33. Well wor= th it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.=C2=A0 take a
metered taxi.=C2=A0 or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.
You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (th= e company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less t= han 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.


Shumon Huque.


Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

 And how far is it?

Google map= s route claims 16.1km, so that's an additional 320.39 for a total of 72= 1.39 CZK, or about US $26.69.=C2=A0

Shumon

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I was responding to the PGTS (Paranoid= Geek Travelers Syndrome), what could be better than a man with a sign with y= our name at baggage claim, no need for directions or local currency. 

Adventures are for the young and for those who under= stand the meaning of "approximately," not many of them in the IETF :-)
Ole J. Jacobsen
= Editor & Publisher
The Internet Protocol Jo= urnal
Cell: +1 415 370-4628
docomo: (090) 3337 9311
UK Orange: +4= 4 780 5977 889

Sent from my i= Phone

On 13 Jul 2015, at 13:28, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy= Bush wrote:
Note that this is the hotel's ta= xi service, which can be charged to
your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this us= ually earns
Hilton p= oints.
 Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
=  flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
 $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
it takes considerable effort to find a= higher priced way to get
to town.
=

Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???=

hotel taxis are expensive, of= ten the most expensive, transport.  take a
metered taxi= .  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
<= span>exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

randy

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= --Apple-Mail-C9A2A1FE-4240-4CA9-8C6E-B6152EEE479B-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:48:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3D61A039C for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yt28HmDPzYCI for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD9CD1A0367 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:2190:c0de:8521:bd55:c595:89e4] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:2190:c0de:8521:bd55:c595:89e4]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E503180F28 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:48:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436824115; bh=IIzp3lJkcpKCzBWzKz4vPqCTPkRIWypA9hZci8UfOjs=; h=Date:From:To; b=L6Pb07sPrvOi5XYGrLKebL+aP8E9OZOiopGe0vx16j6Kk5GP4JyATeumP1CZNo374 BuPI1TDCTo92SLRir4ZpdBiftKv+tXO0xza0BfH96roCCHI40cXnK+EXZKS3mWUBku 22XJNnvswd493I2TmSKapE+/Uag7Tru324PVFPq8= Message-ID: <55A43232.7040705@nic.cz> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:48:34 +0200 From: Ondrej Mikle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:48:38 -0000 On 07/13/2015 10:57 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush > wrote: > > > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to > >>> your room folio. Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns > >>> Hilton points. > >>>> Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your > >>>> flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US > >>>> $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage. > >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get > >> to town. > > > > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways??? > > hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport. take a > metered taxi. or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing' > exonomy, praha has a local uber clone. > > > You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have > mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes > me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If > true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier. > > http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ > > Shumon Huque. > > > Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ... One useful note on Prague taxis: if you order taxi by phone or using an app instead of taking it from a stand or waving it off street, it is much cheaper, generally around 30% discount. Ondrej From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:54:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFF41A0065 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHhvxIg40rbP for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E22801A1BAF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440C228B003D; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D511F8035; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FA46C216-EF6B-4A57-B19B-926A9B3C94BA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <733C69BF-5B80-4501-AB3B-A7BC45242E90@tislabs.com> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> To: shuque@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , Robert Moskowitz , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org>, Randall Gellens , Sandra Murphy Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:54:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FA46C216-EF6B-4A57-B19B-926A9B3C94BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque = wrote: > You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have = mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it = quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's = exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate = mentioned earlier. >=20 > http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/ >=20 > Shumon Huque. >=20 >=20 > Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 = CZK/km ... >=20 > Shumon. Warren reported his on-the-ground experience last Saturday: >=20 > I just arrived and took a AAA cab from the airport -- cost 635 Czk and > I paid by (Visa) credit card. --Sandy --Apple-Mail=_FA46C216-EF6B-4A57-B19B-926A9B3C94BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVpDOKAAoJEHplpQeet0IZMsEQAKuJ+4ClCRxazV/d1be/K5pp jhEVoUb6m3kgXIF1feSQ8XT+flrd+PBa2KCsRZq8vWOxyzaFZFn3g8wjcsZDy37B or5AmkTVknK7W5Oc+WPIZRdIeG1ZHkAX29ve+Sz5RP9kBufzGcXaRN6QVu4Jt/vP 6kCprUy6YpYs+D1FryRRIOGyVGfUAFBIun9EoLK2bE+zmZUPxJcULdtJPUqt4iWa iiY7jL+hCKxhNqv4804WuD/l1nf+6KV3mz5RDE58UnSf4wK2S9P98k5oFGO/iiKD jSSDDsBNJJEb6/6HEVPOBSCkY1jb4OZZVjuBOM71h/PpDIDybjfLgcZLMAHJZamF 531Ebv4FK5f41A+iZ0KCeZ/jKNiOVOmp9/A/2UC+9NWEcpeB1O95JNhQs9TLoANj 0Ke/exrefoms3iiAUzq0b8eAzE+ZVEPhppr0QbsMZa9nLC5XbWvrcx5+Vrlnd8MH c82OvI1s3R3kAeId9YKmr6ky6T10k9kLJXnVatBeYDpiITPLGWdrpE4MAy4P/1SE IDz3kjYJKPnOZpB+Qajr4c8suR3v9R90G9kUtqFTUXybcG9RD0EEPc0+yaz3kkVE xZ4wpkLLpocfYgYKjksq2Qal2wk+DSU0rQgmcwBsZBZOhEBNT2HxkDOng1O3IuAg 0v5+SQVMqtw73j3nv7AW =ajxZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FA46C216-EF6B-4A57-B19B-926A9B3C94BA-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 15:18:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9A01A6FFF for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HqcR6V8-Jpw for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122061A6FFD for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 162) id 52E45540888; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:18:35 -0400 From: Jared Mauch To: Ole Jacobsen Message-ID: <20150713221835.GA28456@puck.nether.net> References: <55A02545.4030502@queuefull.net> <55A416B0.9060701@labs.htt-consult.com> <5F70972A-A4FB-4748-B832-ABDF0A3C6782@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5F70972A-A4FB-4748-B832-ABDF0A3C6782@me.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , Robert Moskowitz , Randall Gellens , attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:18:37 -0000 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 02:46:17PM -0700, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > I was responding to the PGTS (Paranoid Geek Travelers Syndrome), what could be better than a man with a sign with your name at baggage claim, no need for directions or local currency. > > Adventures are for the young and for those who understand the meaning of "approximately," not many of them in the IETF :-) I'm going to assume anyone wearing a prior IETF shirt on my flight is also going to IETF. Seems very easy to identify. Same goes for the pink Geeks in Paradise shirt. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. From nobody Tue Jul 14 00:29:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36561A8F3E for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dmGcRz42FHcz for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [IPv6:2001:638:102:2::217:48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D541A8F3D for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE911D601E; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id T9KldcEmGKlP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (nightswatch.informatik.hs-augsburg.de [141.82.79.79]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC2BC1D6012; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:11 +0200 (CEST) To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A41FD7.5030906@dcrocker.net> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <55A4BA52.3000108@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55A41FD7.5030906@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:29:27 -0000 Hi Dave, I am not sure I fully understand your question. You surely have noted that hs-augsburg.de != augsburg.edu so I assume you refer to the more general question of experimenting with human subjects. In my mind typically things like clinical tests fall under this. We will look solely at broadcasts (and multicast for that matter) sent out by devices. In essence data that devices send out to all other devices on a subnet. Clearly any IETF participant can conduct this experiment... well anybody on the IETF wireless can. We do not actively attempt to trigger broadcast/multicast communication, we merely listen to what the devices send out to everyoneon their own. But I am not sure I have answered your question. If not, could you be more specific? Best, Rolf Am 7/13/15 um 10:30 PM schrieb Dave Crocker: > On 7/13/2015 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF wireless >> network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the network with >> the goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP broadcasts. > ... >> http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html > > Hmmm. Assurances on that web page notwithstanding doesn't this fall > under human subjects rules for experiments and/or rules of privacy > protection? For example: > > http://inside.augsburg.edu/irb/ > > If not, why not? If so, how have the relevant requirements been satisfied? > > Thanks. > > d/ From nobody Tue Jul 14 05:20:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A595F1A88D3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mA1lXk9cmU7v for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f51.google.com (mail-oi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E6941A88D1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oige126 with SMTP id e126so5088984oig.0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lMa3KE6noIxltvc4N8oZlYYbGavQ0oeTNokUF66Aa4Y=; b=ZGIoQpq10BSpOF+1UuGY51VvYAnSJAao47IrqYhpkdVxHWxOPVIoLlkZDQoXfWLog3 9Gt4P0O+CMaXonEO50RzoJanFwvYI4LaMl25rB6tMCemh2kwbCcIjtcWpP5+mFf1mhgp C7FJ+QojiRokCL91CDGvVc2/1FDQ4LE0rilaz/Gv4lRbmlO2zcjoame0nMgEvI49Ap2l 4Bha+nNlKzOnzv7TmeiPFBd8euajXuLexJwhUBGt9U6ZnmkNwEwAASB2l6qkjpVRn9SQ dAhBrvaGTS30sjXo3CuUGCWdfe0V1cO1151yAnk8FYt8SmUsKeVBad/NOhH+yYbKdi3h tQEg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlaKbw9e+DXGShU6d1DJZ6fMJ1d/SiY5JfaL1RjxMe9WLLsVtHBLW4/36Wh4M1xMewDWrnY MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.135.202 with SMTP id pu10mr36468933obb.52.1436876431410; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.232.1 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> References: <7A4A1B94-5C49-46EC-A6E7-6CE813541C2C@bangj.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:20:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETFers iPhone/iPad app known issues X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:20:33 -0000 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > I found a few bugs that may affect you with the latest version 1.10.0 (70= ea9d2) of the app. > > 1. Slides aren=E2=80=99t loading correctly and a blank page is shown inst= ead. > 2. Some of the working groups in ART aren=E2=80=99t showing up in the Gro= up view. You can work around this by going to Settings and select a previou= s conference (like IETF 92) and then switch back to IETF 93 and it should r= ebuild the group list. > 3. There was a report of an error Popup for Calendar events. The workarou= nd is to delete the app and reinstall it from the App Store. > > I am working on a fix for #1 and will submit an update. Sorry for the iss= ues. I *demand* a full refund immediately.... > I was running late getting the update out and missed these during testing= . Thanks for this, it is really useful. W > > Thanks, > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Tue Jul 14 06:51:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6621ACD3A for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afe1HbwGHHtR for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E1FD1ACD32 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (76-218-10-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.10.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6EDp9Yh032283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:12 -0700 Message-ID: <55A513C9.4030601@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:05 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rolf Winter References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A41FD7.5030906@dcrocker.net> <55A4B86B.3000907@hs-augsburg.de> In-Reply-To: <55A4B86B.3000907@hs-augsburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:51:17 -0000 On 7/14/2015 12:21 AM, Rolf Winter wrote: > I am not sure I fully understand your question. You surely have noted > that hs-augsburg.de != augsburg.edu so I assume you refer to the more > general question of experimenting with human subjects. In my mind > typically things like clinical tests fall under this. We will look > solely at broadcasts (and multicast for that matter) sent out by > devices. In essence data that devices send out to all other devices on a > subnet. Clearly any IETF participant can conduct this experiment... well > anybody on the IETF wireless can. We do not actively attempt to trigger > broadcast/multicast communication, we merely listen to what the devices > send out to _everyone_. But I am not sure I have answered your question. > If not, could you be more specific? Rolf, The augsberg.edu reference was prefaced with "for example". It was not meant as the specific set of rules at issue, but merely an example. People often have no experience with modern rules on human subjects research so I wanted to point to a representative set. You are doing an experiment. It involves human subjects, since humans are generating the traffic you will be monitoring. You are not obtaining their explicit permission. I do not know the usual parameters for including or excluding human activity as qualifying for 'human subjects research' handling procedures. I also do not know the formal rules in terms of privacy when capturing human-generated traffic. But both of these lines of concern are real and often challenging, with rules that vary across institutions and laws that vary across countries. I do know that being good folk and having good intentions do not suffice, when privacy and/or human subjects research are involved. There are professional standards and often there are legal strictures. So I thought I should raise the issue both to ensure that you and IETF management are aware of the topic, and to see whether anyone else in the community cares about it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Tue Jul 14 07:27:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB751ACCF5 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.788 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dau9aF1zO9YA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [IPv6:2001:638:102:2::217:48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19FBF1ACDC1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5301D6025; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:27:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0Fefnbf4CAFs; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:27:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [141.82.168.142] (pool8021x168-142.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [141.82.168.142]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37EB51D6018; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:27:41 +0200 (CEST) To: Joel M Snyder , dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A41FD7.5030906@dcrocker.net> <55A4B86B.3000907@hs-augsburg.de> <55A513C9.4030601@dcrocker.net> <55A5182E.9000504@Opus1.COM> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <55A51C67.3000008@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:27:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55A5182E.9000504@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030105030601040202050603" Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:27:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030105030601040202050603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am not a lawyer so anything I say is solely based on common sense, which probably means that legally speaking I am wrong. Just for the folks that have not read the description of our experiment, we solely talk about broadcast data. I have actually talked to our lawyer here, and her spontaneous suggestion was to ask whether one of the participants/sponsors from the Czech Republic could ask their lawyers/data protection officers if such an experiment would be OK under Czech Republic law? I found that a smashing idea. Anybody on this list who could help out? Best, Rolf Am 7/14/15 um 4:09 PM schrieb Joel M Snyder: > > > On 7/14/15 3:51 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > >> You are doing an experiment. It involves human subjects, since humans >> are generating the traffic you will be monitoring. You are not >> obtaining their explicit permission. > > This would not be considered human subject experimentation. Simply > because humans are involved in an activity does not make it human > subject experimentation. > > You have to be actually interacting (or otherwise affecting) the human > subject. Gathering data passively is not considered human subject > experimentation, unless the data are PPI. > > You *could* argue that the data being collected could possibly be > private data, since a naive Wi-Fi user might have some expectation > that their Wi-Fi data were not being watched, and thus the information > would be private. This was used as an argument to condemn Google for > capturing Wi-Fi data as they drove around. > > However, you could also argue that at a conference, in a hotel, there > is no expectation of privacy of the Wi-Fi data. And you could argue > doubly (or triply) so that IETF users as a community are not so naive > as to expect their Wi-Fi data to be private. > > jms > (PhD, veteran of human subjects committee wars...) > > --------------030105030601040202050603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,

I am not a lawyer so anything I say is solely based on common sense, which probably means that legally speaking I am wrong. Just for the folks that have not read the description of our experiment, we solely talk about broadcast data.

I have actually talked to our lawyer here, and her spontaneous suggestion was to ask whether one of the participants/sponsors from the Czech Republic could ask their lawyers/data protection officers if such an experiment would be OK under Czech Republic law? I found that a smashing idea. Anybody on this list who could help out?

Best,

Rolf

Am 7/14/15 um 4:09 PM schrieb Joel M Snyder:


On 7/14/15 3:51 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:

You are doing an experiment. It involves human subjects, since humans
are generating the traffic you will be monitoring. You are not
obtaining their explicit permission.

This would not be considered human subject experimentation. Simply because humans are involved in an activity does not make it human subject experimentation.

You have to be actually interacting (or otherwise affecting) the human subject. Gathering data passively is not considered human subject experimentation, unless the data are PPI.

You *could* argue that the data being collected could possibly be private data, since a naive Wi-Fi user might have some expectation that their Wi-Fi data were not being watched, and thus the information would be private. This was used as an argument to condemn Google for capturing Wi-Fi data as they drove around.

However, you could also argue that at a conference, in a hotel, there is no expectation of privacy of the Wi-Fi data. And you could argue doubly (or triply) so that IETF users as a community are not so naive as to expect their Wi-Fi data to be private.

jms
(PhD, veteran of human subjects committee wars...)



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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:34:37 -0000 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 04:27:51PM +0200, Rolf Winter wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a lawyer so anything I say is solely based on common sense, which > probably means that legally speaking I am wrong. Just for the folks that > have not read the description of our experiment, we solely talk about > broadcast data. > > I have actually talked to our lawyer here, and her spontaneous suggestion > was to ask whether one of the participants/sponsors from the Czech Republic > could ask their lawyers/data protection officers if such an experiment would > be OK under Czech Republic law? I found that a smashing idea. Anybody on > this list who could help out? I find this study interesting because it's about data that people are sharing by default settings of their software and acceptance of EULA. Attending a RIPE/NANOG/IETF meeting is interesting seeing all the messages and disclosures from hosts that are broadcast. The same is true of CDP/LLDP and other protocols that operate within this space. If you haven't looked at the data your laptop leaks from running iTunes, mDNS/Bonjour, etc you may want to investigate it before joining an untrusted network. The apple messages app and itunes share a lot of data, plus even in just DHCP you see plenty of details. Example from my home: Client-Ethernet-Address c8:0a:a9:2d:c9:25 Vendor-rfc1048 Extensions Magic Cookie 0x63825363 DHCP-Message Option 53, length 1: Discover MSZ Option 57, length 2: 576 Vendor-Class Option 60, length 21: "Broadcom:LB4M:1.1.0.8" Client-Ethernet-Address 5c:f9:38:da:d8:79 Vendor-rfc1048 Extensions Magic Cookie 0x63825363 DHCP-Message Option 53, length 1: Request Parameter-Request Option 55, length 6: Subnet-Mask, Default-Gateway, Domain-Name-Server, Domain-Name Option 119, Option 252 MSZ Option 57, length 2: 1500 Client-ID Option 61, length 7: ether 5c:f9:38:da:d8:79 Requested-IP Option 50, length 4: 10.0.0.182 Lease-Time Option 51, length 4: 7776000 Hostname Option 12, length 15: "FamilyRAppleTV2" Take a look if you haven't studied this traffic. Keep in mind what this may do to the basic-1mbs rates supported on 802.11 radios and how a large broadcast domain with lots of fe80:: traffic for NDP will cause RF congestion due to speed changes. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:44:02 -0000 > On 14 Jul 2015, at 15:34, Jared Mauch wrote: >=20 > I find this study interesting because it's about data that = people are > sharing by default settings of their software and acceptance of EULA. >=20 > =E2=80=A6. >=20 > If you haven't looked at the data your laptop leaks from running = iTunes, > mDNS/Bonjour, etc you may want to investigate it before joining an > untrusted network. Right, but (with IANAL disclaimer) there=E2=80=99s at least two aspects = here: a) gathering data generally isn=E2=80=99t the problem - it=E2=80=99s how = you process and republish it, with user privacy in mind. Be that through = specific MAC addresses, or names that might be embedded in mDNS names; b) mDNS/DNS-SD is generally link-specific; a user may not expect their = data to be discoverable beyond the link (whether it is meaningful or = not). This is something we are discussing in the dnssd WG. Tim= From nobody Tue Jul 14 07:48:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141791ACE41 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ididA5h-YotS for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9001ACE40 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id F1B283BC4D; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:48:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2E308C9713; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:46:11 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: 93attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20150714144611.GA30771@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 8.1 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Something missing from the Wiki X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:48:11 -0000 Where to find good beers around the Hilton (in the rest of the city, I know the famous places)? From nobody Tue Jul 14 07:51:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D241ACE51 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dO3B_Q1MWpNb for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4849E1A88C7 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.labs.nic.cz (unknown [195.113.220.110]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFED7180E9C; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:51:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1436885495; bh=39fqV2pK7g6sCE+Gg0FmWchz5EZ1B3uVnpAmHqvVJVI=; h=From:Date:To; b=M0ho+MvSeJFyHUEfmpzPW2VMg6Jz2Rjqm4gs+o6Afsq/WAno2MXICadtr4c8dVcfn 0bcAIcVGPkyFLg3e1eEAE+2wIAEUc6QfZyY9p4kOLtl3ZRyJomIUgtxsfs4xH2O95k XdkLAXL4yKtmJTSzoBAeo8yQLJpv7Gnjh00rBP2I= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:51:36 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F8ADC73-FF4D-4CE9-8DC7-B70EED5BA3B0@nic.cz> References: To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Randall Gellens , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Prague still permits smoking in restaurants/pubs X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:51:39 -0000 > On 14 Jul 2015, at 16:32, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) = wrote: >=20 > In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill. No, you don=E2=80=99t have to tip at all. The common practice is to = round the sum up, and perhaps add 10-20 CZK (per person) if you are = satisfied. It is certainly not as harsh as in North America not to give any tip. >=20 > Looks like CZ is not really in EU ;-) In many EU countries I have visited it works pretty much the same way. = BTW, I do think it is a shame that smoking is still not banned in = restaurants. Lada >=20 > -=C3=A9ric >=20 > On 13/07/15 00:12, "93attendees on behalf of Randall Gellens" > <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rg+ietf@qti.qualcomm.com> = wrote: >=20 >> People say that visiting Prague is like stepping back in time, and in >> at least one area this is quite literally true: Prague (And the Czech >> Republic) still permits smoking in restaurants and pubs. It is up to >> each establishment to be either smoking, non-smoking, or mixed (with >> non-smoking sections), which tend to work as well as swimming pools >> with non-peeing sections. >>=20 >> The breakfast restaurant at the Hilton Prague is non-smoking, but the >> terrace restaurant is mixed. >>=20 >> The Wiki has some non-smoking restaurants listed: >> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf93 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- >> Our greatest fear is that the Internet will become a vehicle of free >> distribution of information. --Ken Wasch, President of the Software >> Publishers' Association, 5 September 1995 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Tue Jul 14 08:13:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8131AC432 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2r_BTR4tMfp5 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22b.google.com (mail-pd0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACB981ACEBD for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdjr16 with SMTP id r16so7461408pdj.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+o9Y1SAc5p7s5mKbOaEr10bdCsvrM7WRO44Mm0YGjZ4=; b=NaTHh85SAd9motRvOLCY624TsXSK0MBmk3V5tqwelht6abkWjFQfQhW7xkUyFwmQcw rXJ/d2MM8sGh+xB97yiRutVvHdJUR9duBXfhl+E2S8awnCLoSjNkhmoP1gmk7J6af3iF TIP0WK0zy28o6F6bSGzYuMvqrdr477+tN0hAIsMTWEg6MtGc0q0qz/EJ2iH6ssn4dPvD 876Ez3qWzZe5j9qP0fsS7UW2kqJDOoas7pKfoekdnH602E4YGTeVOyPb2UstmPjHlehA 7mzCdRQUDNRTj5oKXdQirxYBMp3yD1Qg3OK29ddEsgOp+HTct/93OxvVJMzHr8OY86iI gmkg== X-Received: by 10.66.66.166 with SMTP id g6mr82086035pat.157.1436886815019; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-aye.local ([172.56.17.13]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id qy7sm1707293pbb.12.2015.07.14.08.13.30 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:13:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:13:38 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Typically experiments involving the production network run past the network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair. I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if you haven't, I'd suggest doing that. thanks joel On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: > Hello everyone, > > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here: > > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis. html > > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an > Email. > > See you in Prague, > > Rolf > > > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing > list 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlWlJxkACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrI/oQCfaRz2CkLU/XcADm4k+oB8RbPU CmMAmgMCFKiXqwrTnjARGga1KHv08T9S =2x3d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Jul 14 08:18:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43381ACECE for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPewYtT05iAN for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de (mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.6.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C93BF1ACED0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:18:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,472,1432591200"; d="scan'208";a="22273599" Received: from post.haw-hamburg.de (HELO HUB01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de) ([141.22.24.50]) by mail3.is.haw-hamburg.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 14 Jul 2015 17:18:49 +0200 Received: from CAS01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de (2002:8d16:183c::8d16:183c) by HUB01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de (2002:8d16:1832::8d16:1832) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:18:48 +0200 Received: from [192.168.46.150] (141.22.200.55) by haw-mailer.haw-hamburg.de (141.22.24.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:18:48 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: =?utf-8?Q?Lucas_Jen=C3=9F?= In-Reply-To: <20150714144611.GA30771@sources.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:18:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <20150714144611.GA30771@sources.org> To: <93attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Something missing from the Wiki X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:18:53 -0000 Would you be willing to share the famous places? Because I don=E2=80=99t = know them yet :( Cheers, Lucas > On 14 Jul 2015, at 16:46, Stephane Bortzmeyer = wrote: >=20 > Where to find good beers around the Hilton (in the rest of the city, > I know the famous places)? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 08:26:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0221ACED6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6jGZhBUc1Hc for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x22b.google.com (mail-yk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 434EE1ACE31 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykdu72 with SMTP id u72so10883575ykd.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:26:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=HGxrNlgvpqchqX4bhm4z658+R65DpXRsfIyC77KAiK0=; b=MKaAd4B6Uv6urHmx1salj9JTvocPOgcNYMCKth+UXlhzeYFOkDq9Zkk6GTisJ1tBnK q/t3y/7ftxSUstf8u09Qxzlcc3hmMr0QWLtaZnMVO7l+U74oihxJVuyS1QhH4nU47Yba 9HBr/khL7lZGWkoAwFhSlNGep5CYy/dQ49rKf7G1GE+y75vToadRiYporiwd7KHxIpuO De+KITV5SnytMZ0dFqNleand9ka1jsh/9JZ0BpwP7yXnzplhE+Y22gPMwBy9nCBKq/2j qSGzNxOFAsiJY3Ec+CUDBIso8JF5x1hDtJFgYKZrP1j2bboYl7/b6g2/EffFzKOJpqzL +dOA== X-Received: by 10.170.215.69 with SMTP id h66mr44178536ykf.74.1436887560566; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:26:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chelliot@gmail.com Received: by 10.13.225.144 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:25:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> From: Chris Elliott Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:25:41 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7PV5uHe20HwJZabuzDxwalRUGhc Message-ID: To: joel jaeggli Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113bcfa0a13f27051ad7741f Archived-At: Cc: Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: chelliot@pobox.com List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:26:03 -0000 --001a113bcfa0a13f27051ad7741f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Typically experiments involving the production network run past the > network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair. > Joel, Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of this "experiment". Jari has approved it. The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's an issue. > I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if > you haven't, I'd suggest doing that. > Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap. Chris. > thanks > joel > > On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF > > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over > > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of > > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on > > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and > > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second > > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics > > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network > > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we > > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here: > > > > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis. > html > > > > > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an > > Email. > > > > See you in Prague, > > > > Rolf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing > > list 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAlWlJxkACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrI/oQCfaRz2CkLU/XcADm4k+oB8RbPU > CmMAmgMCFKiXqwrTnjARGga1KHv08T9S > =2x3d > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > -- Chris Elliott chelliot@pobox.com "What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...it's a way to open sh*t!" --Mitch Hedberg --001a113bcfa0a13f27051ad7741f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.

Joel,

Rolf contacted me a while ago and I h= ad him contact Jari for approval of this "experiment". Jari has a= pproved it.

The device will sit in the NOC where w= e can easily disable it if there's an issue.
=C2=A0
I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but i= f
you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.

=C2=A0Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and tryi= ng to get the network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do = that asap.

Chris.
=C2=A0
thanks
joel

On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use o= f
> IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
> another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
> will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
> which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
> and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
> collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>
> http://net.hs-augsbur= g.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
html
>
>=C2=A0 If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me a= n
> Email.
>
> See you in Prague,
>
> Rolf
>
>
> _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing > list 93atten= dees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attend= ees

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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:48:13 -0000 Pivovar Ufleku was something I went to our last time in Prague. It had = come as a recommendation of a friend. http://en.ufleku.cz/ I spent a bit too much time sampling the local dark beers last round. = I'll be trying other stuff this time. :-) -- Jeff > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Lucas Jen=C3=9F = wrote: >=20 > Would you be willing to share the famous places? Because I don=E2=80=99t= know them yet :( >=20 > Cheers, > Lucas >=20 >> On 14 Jul 2015, at 16:46, Stephane Bortzmeyer = wrote: >>=20 >> Where to find good beers around the Hilton (in the rest of the city, >> I know the famous places)? >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 09:05:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE981A1B84 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.049 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.049 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xGBv-UOtyH9 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from betl.marias.cz (betl.marias.cz [89.250.250.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C910B1A1B7C for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amazonanVAIO (ip-78-45-23-148.net.upcbroadband.cz [78.45.23.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by betl.marias.cz (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t6EG3tF4008789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:05:00 +0200 From: "Ing.Tomas Marsalek" To: "'Jeff Haas'" , "=?UTF-8?Q?'Lucas_Jen=C3=9F'?=" References: <20150714144611.GA30771@sources.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:03:51 +0200 Message-ID: <015201d0be4e$d3b44e40$7b1ceac0$@auditel.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHPtZ8wCviiHzbHFHx12jjB1esH7wLqoO02AKY3UpGdwKhYwA== Content-Language: cs Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Something missing from the Wiki X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:05:07 -0000 Hello, My personal tips as local Prague person for non-tourist restaurant are = just Pilsen support restaurant and some of them are not so far from = Hilton <10min walking>: http://www.thepub.cz/?lng=3Den http://www.kolkovna.cz/en http://lokal.ambi.cz/en/signpost Beer Pilsen 0.5l is less then 1.5EUR. Lunch,dinner dish starting from = 4EUR. Credit cards no problem. BR Tomas -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Jeff Haas Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 5:48 PM To: Lucas Jen=C3=9F Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Something missing from the Wiki Pivovar Ufleku was something I went to our last time in Prague. It had = come as a recommendation of a friend. http://en.ufleku.cz/ I spent a bit too much time sampling the local dark beers last round. = I'll be trying other stuff this time. :-) -- Jeff > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Lucas Jen=C3=9F = wrote: >=20 > Would you be willing to share the famous places? Because I = don=E2=80=99t know=20 > them yet :( >=20 > Cheers, > Lucas >=20 >> On 14 Jul 2015, at 16:46, Stephane Bortzmeyer = wrote: >>=20 >> Where to find good beers around the Hilton (in the rest of the city,=20 >> I know the famous places)? >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 09:09:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59EE1A1B8A for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:09:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2pnth0hysrA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:17:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4C8B2A2B-4592-4267-95FC-8962FDEEB8DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an opinion=20= This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, or i= n your opinion, intrude on privacy? =20 Ray > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott wrote: >=20 >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >>=20 >> Typically experiments involving the production network run past the >> network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair. >=20 > Joel, >=20 > Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of t= his "experiment". Jari has approved it. >=20 > The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's a= n issue. > =20 >> I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if >> you haven't, I'd suggest doing that. >=20 > Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the n= etwork working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap. >=20 > Chris. > =20 >> thanks >> joel >>=20 >> On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF >> > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over >> > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of >> > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on >> > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and >> > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second >> > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics >> > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network >> > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we >> > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here: >> > >> > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis. >> html >> > >> > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an >> > Email. >> > >> > See you in Prague, >> > >> > Rolf >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing >> > list 93attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 >> Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >>=20 >> iEYEARECAAYFAlWlJxkACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrI/oQCfaRz2CkLU/XcADm4k+oB8RbPU >> CmMAmgMCFKiXqwrTnjARGga1KHv08T9S >> =3D2x3d >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Chris Elliott > chelliot@pobox.com >=20 > "What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...it's a way to open sh*t!" --Mi= tch Hedberg > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail-4C8B2A2B-4592-4267-95FC-8962FDEEB8DB Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris
I asked Jim= and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an opinion 
=


Ray

On J= ul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:

= On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli <joelja@gmail.com> wrote:
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Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.

Joel,

Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had= him contact Jari for approval of this "experiment". Jari has approved it.

The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily d= isable it if there's an issue.
 
I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if
you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.

&nb= sp;Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the n= etwork working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap.

Chris.
 
thanks
joel

On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of
= > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
> another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
> will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second
= > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
> which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
> and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
> collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>
> http://net.hs-augsburg.= de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
html
>
>  If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an=
> Email.
>
> See you in Prague,
>
> Rolf
>
>
> _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing
= > list 93attend= ees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendee= s

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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:34:37 -0000 I am not a lawyer, but I have done some research in this area. Please be aware that (a) the Czech Republic is in the EU (b) according to E= U law you are collecting personal identifiable data. 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This provision establishes the need to strike a reasonable = balance between the data controllers' business interests and the privacy of= data subjects. <<---- The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and process = this data. To that end; http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-co= llection/obligations/index_en.htm ---->> Obligations of data controllers The Data Protection Directive requires data controllers to observe a number= of principles when they process personal data. These principles not only p= rotect the rights of those about whom the data is collected ("data subjects= ") but also reflect good business practices that contribute to reliable and= efficient data processingEach data controller must respect the following r= ules as set out in the Directive: Personal Data must be processed legally and fairly; It must be collected for explicit and legitimate purposes and used acco= rdingly; It must be adequate, relevant and not excessive in relation to the purp= oses for which it is collected and/or further processed; It must be accurate, and updated where necessary; Data controllers must ensure that data subjects can rectify, remove or = block incorrect data about themselves; Data that identifies individuals (personal data) must not be kept any l= onger than strictly necessary; Data controllers must protect personal data against accidental or unlaw= ful destruction, loss, alteration and disclosure, particularly when process= ing involves data transmission over networks. They shall implement the appr= opriate security measures; These protection measures must ensure a level of protection appropriate= to the data. <<---- If you feel you can meet these criteria, then you may want to make sure tha= t you understand how to register as a data controller in the Czech Republic= ; https://www.uoou.cz/en/vismo/zobraz_dok.asp?id_org=3D200156&id_ktg=3D1159 There's a shorter version of this email available here http://images.huffin= gtonpost.com/2014-09-26-keepcalmanddontdoit2.png Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com twitter: @alextangent Follow us:=A0 > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Rolf Winter > Sent: 13 July 2015 21:14 > To: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF wireless > network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the network with = the > goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP broadcasts. We have > conducted this experiment previously on another large wireless campus > network with interesting results and will repeat the experiment on the IE= TF > wireless network as a second data point. We collect the data and aggregat= e it > to statistics which will not reveal data about individual users of the ne= twork > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we collected. Mor= e > information on the experiment can be found here: >=20 > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.htm= l >=20 > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an Email. >=20 > See you in Prague, >=20 > Rolf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 09:29:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE791A6F22 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCHWMo7bmjWj for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AF11A3BA2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3E72CFB8; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:29:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uDaOYcl4uZOP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:29:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D4B2CFAA; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:29:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8F4C0866-142F-4D6E-93CC-509C96F2D8E9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:29:28 +0300 Message-Id: <1E9C4941-6442-4C2C-834D-B1D8D60AAC58@piuha.net> References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> To: chelliot@pobox.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: joel jaeggli , Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:29:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8F4C0866-142F-4D6E-93CC-509C96F2D8E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval = of > this "experiment". Jari has approved it. Right. I think it is a useful experiment and I find the privacy = safeguards adequate. And indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via the IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I reviewed the = suggested safeguards and suggested some changes, and felt that the result was = adequate. It is possible that there are legal or other standards that would = specify in detail what we can and can not do. I am obviously not a lawyer either. I don=92t mind passing this to someone who understands laws about human subject research or privacy, of course. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:32:24 -0000 --001a1139449ae20352051ad86100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Chris > I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an > opinion > > This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, o= r > in your opinion, intrude on privacy? > I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as the device collecting data will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it should there be any concerns. Both Jari and I have discussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the level of information I have, I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendees privacy. That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the security implications would probably need to be done by a security guru. However, note, with or without our permission, any attendee can collect the same information Rolf is collecting. Chris. > Ray > > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Typically experiments involving the production network run past the >> network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair. >> > > Joel, > > Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of > this "experiment". Jari has approved it. > > The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's > an issue. > > >> I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if >> you haven't, I'd suggest doing that. >> > > Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the > network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap. > > Chris. > > >> thanks >> joel >> >> On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF >> > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over >> > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of >> > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on >> > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and >> > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second >> > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics >> > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network >> > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we >> > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here: >> > >> > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis. >> html >> >> > >> > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an >> > Email. >> > >> > See you in Prague, >> > >> > Rolf >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing >> > list 93attendees@ietf.org >> >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 >> Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlWlJxkACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrI/oQCfaRz2CkLU/XcADm4k+oB8RbPU >> CmMAmgMCFKiXqwrTnjARGga1KHv08T9S >> =3D2x3d >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> > > > > -- > Chris Elliott > chelliot@pobox.com > > "What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...it's a way to open sh*t!" > --Mitch Hedberg > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > --=20 Chris Elliott CCIE # 2013 =E2=80=9CYou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D --Douglas Hofstadter --001a1139449ae20352051ad86100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
Chris
I asked Jim an= d Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an opinion=C2=A0

This= appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, or in y= our opinion, intrude on privacy? =C2=A0

I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as= the device collecting data will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it sh= ould there be any concerns.

Both Jari and I have d= iscussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the level of information I have= , I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendees privacy.

That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the s= ecurity implications would probably need to be done by a security guru.

However, note, with or without our permission, any at= tendee can collect the same information Rolf is collecting.

Chris.
=C2=A0
Ray

On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Ellio= tt <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli = <joelja@gmail.com> w= rote:
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Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.

Joel,

Rolf contacted me a while ago and I h= ad him contact Jari for approval of this "experiment". Jari has a= pproved it.

The device will sit in the NOC where w= e can easily disable it if there's an issue.
=C2=A0
I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but i= f
you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.

=C2=A0Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and tryi= ng to get the network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do = that asap.

Chris.
=C2=A0
thanks
joel

On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use o= f
> IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
> another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
> will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
> which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
> and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
> collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>
> http://net.hs-augsbur= g.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
html
>
>=C2=A0 If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me a= n
> Email.
>
> See you in Prague,
>
> Rolf
>
>
> _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing > list 93attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attend= ees

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"What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...i= t's a way to open sh*t!" --Mitch Hedberg
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CCIE # 201= 3

=E2=80=9CYou and I are mirages that perceive themselves=E2=80=9D
--D= ouglas Hofstadter

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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:33:47 -0000 Hello - We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF = 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for = Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to = attend the Briefing Panel in person. See = https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 = for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provided for attendees. The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration = is required for the webcast. ---------- SESSION ABSTRACT In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile = devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But = many application developers live and work with much faster computing = platforms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to = change to accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a = transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect = and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity? Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next = billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with = access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more = often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like = - whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the = interface between the two? In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand = the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the = challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity = including: =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal = and connectivity diversity =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the = data and the technical responses to date =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management = interact Moderator: Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society Panelists: Ted Hardie, independent Blake Matheny, Facebook Henning Wiemann, Ericsson ---------- PANEL DETAILS Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 Venue: Hilton Prague Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) We hope you can join us!= From nobody Tue Jul 14 09:44:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF061A906D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOwKiSnboUos for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com (mail-pa0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EED01A8ADB for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pactm7 with SMTP id tm7so8368447pac.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AAvrKuCLwlJRM0czQMlPUdF1h2TgTh1i5dLhvQzVms8=; b=LEXgzrZYvcBc6CQfmmm02JXzSxJeFoYl2zPNgkmBuxaXAv1f7NtDwFNL1olI9ICh1B F/RPv7rJcllZVaVAGsyqMRvLKpTMpBGyPiYDn4gpzneNnqktLmfBFJPBjcqc3cXwEQHu b/Y9gFYqlK/fD4BUbXa+ui0TbGU0sChKXs2b9g7ttv1Ph8SpU71MSwQJjzoWF3BmWSM6 AAG4TNfQh09vQJHPlra7LFhfTdNu6BvymBvcKYXZI3RbgtWgPveJITGg9pyXVvG4xP8S 9V2ibnWEXlnVNzwsA5bN5mWaKtktJHSPpdvtojuV17ruplpe6vuBxwOQmmRJUQeecKu0 M7Cg== X-Received: by 10.70.43.225 with SMTP id z1mr81347849pdl.45.1436892263928; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-aye.local ([8.18.217.2]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id js8sm1923647pbb.9.2015.07.14.09.44.22 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:23 -0700 (PDT) To: chelliot@pobox.com References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: <55A53C66.4040805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:44:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:44:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 7/14/15 8:25 AM, Chris Elliott wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli > wrote: > > Typically experiments involving the production network run past > the network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair. > > >> Joel, > >> Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for >> approval of this "experiment". Jari has approved it. > >> The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if >> there's an issue. > > > I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but > if you haven't, I'd suggest doing that. > > >> Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to >> get the network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do >> that asap. cool, Thanks joel >> Chris. > > > thanks joel > > On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote: >> Hello everyone, > >> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF >> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over >> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use >> of IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously >> on another large wireless campus network with interesting results >> and will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a >> second data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to >> statistics which will not reveal data about individual users of >> the network and once that is done, we will delete all packet >> traces we collected. More information on the experiment can be >> found here: > >> http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis . > >> html > > > >> If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me >> an Email. > >> See you in Prague, > >> Rolf > > >> _______________________________________________ 93attendees >> mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing > list 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > -- Chris Elliott chelliot@pobox.com > > "What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...it's a way to open > sh*t!" --Mitch Hedberg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlWlPGYACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJQLgCfTDBUEGpoPz8hBq4UW9GXv7w/ /0YAn1yFLvVqhgD1gQ8GvPFcatjpDO6n =93bj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Jul 14 09:54:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF1D1A8A6E for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BO3HROGVkEDi for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 558521A8A4A for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BVE02423; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.218.25.36) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:54:33 +0100 Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.184]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.51]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:54:29 -0700 From: Richard Li To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Have you got any involuntary cancellation from InterContinental? Thread-Index: AQHQvlW/tyihQTfndEmGYU2n1iyxyQ== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:54:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> <20150711162722.GE23837@cisco.com> <55A1B635.80107@gont.com.ar> In-Reply-To: <55A1B635.80107@gont.com.ar> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.213.48.74] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from InterContinental? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:54:38 -0000 Hi All, Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary room = cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will charge= a cancellation penalty. Quote from the cancellation email: " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modificatio= ns or cancellations" When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling th= is hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:59:31 -0000 Hi Richard, send me your information off the list and I'll check what happened to your reservation. Michal On 14.7.2015 18:54, Richard Li wrote: > Hi All, > > Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary room cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will charge a cancellation penalty. > > Quote from the cancellation email: > " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modifications or cancellations" > > When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. > > I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. > > I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 10:00:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8631A0113 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HEyVs11xCDYg for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F4C1A00EC for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obnw1 with SMTP id w1so9944358obn.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ni8xKII43H/4rJHTUOsiOnHjk6f38R0hgWCg2Puw0HA=; b=LsNKPM2WmJFO+ithnjzIWz1zOy4216QOqBmvL1XkoPmjWGMLtCxf9O4n2ULUKP8b8p PdDxqwLgI8RVzuYPetKNsaSFtUXx2mijlXt366Fqh+JwQxmBwXlbyrlxWjd1bmJn+HHS b/i2LDKQlmvTXJabszq+j15BqcDdw7pDAVPbvrGxmqx/mZZpj59fp6EgOgfw4HMED7JP xS+FrC1AESx77Bfh9b1fvT3fPlikPWCwyT+XWQoGwoxwpjiXnBYsPmgmiHgGOFW2/dtF zntAojTaP3PV/oJoVn+r9nPboCyrZV6ggW2/mtpRZrLUUrGxS9pubYaFFICBGWMFJrBn K7hA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.240.135 with SMTP id wa7mr37409816obc.63.1436893225911; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.107.9 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.107.9 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> References: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:00:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Matthew Ford Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1dfc04f8bd3051ad8c62d Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:00:28 -0000 --001a11c1dfc04f8bd3051ad8c62d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board. What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rather than 3g or lte? On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" wrote: > Hello - > > We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93= : > "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained Rad= io > Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D > > Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to > attend the Briefing Panel in person. See > https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 > for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provided > for attendees. > > The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is > required for the webcast. > > ---------- > SESSION ABSTRACT > > In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile > devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But ma= ny > application developers live and work with much faster computing platforms > and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to > accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient > condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and > re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity? > > Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next > billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with > access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more > often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - > whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface > between the two? > > In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand > the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the > challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity includin= g: > > =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal an= d > connectivity diversity > =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers > =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior > =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the d= ata and > the technical responses to date > =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management intera= ct > > Moderator: > Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society > > Panelists: > Ted Hardie, independent > Blake Matheny, Facebook > Henning Wiemann, Ericsson > > ---------- > PANEL DETAILS > > Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 > Venue: Hilton Prague > Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) > > We hope you can join us! > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > --001a11c1dfc04f8bd3051ad8c62d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on = board.

What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rathe= r than 3g or lte?

On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford"= ; <ford@isoc.org> wrote:
Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: = "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained = Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to att= end the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ie= tf-93 for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be = provided for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is r= equired for the webcast.

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SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile device= s capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many appli= cation developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and ne= tworking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodat= e the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of une= ven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to bet= ter cope with connectivity diversity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion= users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acces= s to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. = What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether = at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between t= he two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the= diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challeng= es and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealin= g with terminal and connectivity diversity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developer= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts u= ser behavior
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extra= polated from the data and the technical responses to date
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity= management interact

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

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PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!


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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:12:25 -0000 I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of cancellations= . If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20 Tom > On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary room= cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will charge= a cancellation penalty. >=20 > Quote from the cancellation email: > " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modificati= ons or cancellations" >=20 > When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >=20 > I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling t= his hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. >=20 > I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Richard >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 10:17:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F441ACE05 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BstDGPlBr32C for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05DB51ACE04 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so20035476wic.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bknmACfWQnLcIBo0xVKsElRO8eWB8M4MVGmPiMjfkng=; b=BWZAXEQPdIi/ztRf0P1p/E2ZNoMQCGVY0sAWFmdM89rtp8utU8RwJQsxgMQGb61Jwk nhAIxHva8PUAbSyr5r+pMOnPm/7Vm54ZsplRDS476iUImXGI5CneQCsq0arP8zj6zSGp nSMMqZnnAjQlIDFiMr+rB6zvElGvXzSCRPoF2pCwBrLi0J2ZbSiYAShuIb7ig2XiAeRL tPHzTDxA/J0xG65blw2FajQLm91nJLqK5IQwk2poknHLGglqOZjXr2KVpFAWViyMslRs MxXE4GTfGZae0wwEmV2Q3V9fMWbPcDHH/YWS8QqCd/ITsEx/dEBEGw1y9kHO4gzrEc+c 5E3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.187.170 with SMTP id ft10mr78656617wjc.26.1436894253635; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.17.68 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:17:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ted Hardie To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03a92915d17051ad90313 Archived-At: Cc: Matthew Ford , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:17:37 -0000 --047d7bb03a92915d17051ad90313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board. > =E2=80=8BIf it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your boatbus has = a radio network uplink that is cellular. If that uplink is 3g, and you're multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, you will be constrained at some times. When it is LTE (or multilink cellular), you may be doing better. But I think the real discussion points are for folks who aren't getting LTE any time soon. See ISOC's recent report (especially section 2) for some graphs on where things are not quite so good as Karlstad. regards, Ted > What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rather than 3g or > lte? > On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" wrote: > >> Hello - >> >> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF >> 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constraine= d >> Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D >> >> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to >> attend the Briefing Panel in person. See >> https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 >> for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provide= d >> for attendees. >> >> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration i= s >> required for the webcast. >> >> ---------- >> SESSION ABSTRACT >> >> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile >> devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But m= any >> application developers live and work with much faster computing platform= s >> and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to >> accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient >> condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and >> re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity? >> >> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next >> billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with >> access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more >> often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like = - >> whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interfac= e >> between the two? >> >> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand >> the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the >> challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity includi= ng: >> >> =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal a= nd >> connectivity diversity >> =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers >> =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior >> =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the = data and >> the technical responses to date >> =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management inter= act >> >> Moderator: >> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society >> >> Panelists: >> Ted Hardie, independent >> Blake Matheny, Facebook >> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson >> >> ---------- >> PANEL DETAILS >> >> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 >> Venue: Hilton Prague >> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) >> >> We hope you can join us! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > --047d7bb03a92915d17051ad90313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 A= M, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

I am writing th= is on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board.

=E2=80=8BIf it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your = boatbus has a radio network uplink that is cellular.=C2=A0 If that uplink i= s 3g, and you're multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, = you will be constrained at some times.=C2=A0 When it is LTE (or multilink c= ellular), you may be doing better.

But I think the r= eal discussion points are for folks who aren't getting LTE any time soo= n.=C2=A0 See ISOC's recent report (especially section 2) for some graphs on w= here things are not quite so good as Karlstad.

regar= ds,

Ted


=C2=A0

What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rathe= r than 3g or lte?

On Jul 14= , 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" <ford@isoc.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: = "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained = Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to att= end the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ie= tf-93 for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be = provided for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is r= equired for the webcast.

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SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile device= s capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many appli= cation developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and ne= tworking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodat= e the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of une= ven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to bet= ter cope with connectivity diversity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion= users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acces= s to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. = What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether = at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between t= he two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the= diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challeng= es and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealin= g with terminal and connectivity diversity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developer= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts u= ser behavior
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extra= polated from the data and the technical responses to date
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity= management interact

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

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PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!


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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:18:15 -0000 Rolf, and all, We will inquire as to Czech and EU. Ray IAD > On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Rolf Winter = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I am not a lawyer so anything I say is solely based on common sense, = which probably means that legally speaking I am wrong. Just for the = folks that have not read the description of our experiment, we solely = talk about broadcast data.=20 >=20 > I have actually talked to our lawyer here, and her spontaneous = suggestion was to ask whether one of the participants/sponsors from the = Czech Republic could ask their lawyers/data protection officers if such = an experiment would be OK under Czech Republic law? I found that a = smashing idea. Anybody on this list who could help out?=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Rolf >=20 > Am 7/14/15 um 4:09 PM schrieb Joel M Snyder: >>=20 >>=20 >> On 7/14/15 3:51 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:=20 >>=20 >>> You are doing an experiment. It involves human subjects, since = humans=20 >>> are generating the traffic you will be monitoring. You are not=20 >>> obtaining their explicit permission.=20 >>=20 >> This would not be considered human subject experimentation. Simply = because humans are involved in an activity does not make it human = subject experimentation.=20 >>=20 >> You have to be actually interacting (or otherwise affecting) the = human subject. Gathering data passively is not considered human subject = experimentation, unless the data are PPI.=20 >>=20 >> You *could* argue that the data being collected could possibly be = private data, since a naive Wi-Fi user might have some expectation that = their Wi-Fi data were not being watched, and thus the information would = be private. This was used as an argument to condemn Google for = capturing Wi-Fi data as they drove around.=20 >>=20 >> However, you could also argue that at a conference, in a hotel, there = is no expectation of privacy of the Wi-Fi data. And you could argue = doubly (or triply) so that IETF users as a community are not so naive as = to expect their Wi-Fi data to be private.=20 >>=20 >> jms=20 >> (PhD, veteran of human subjects committee wars...)=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 10:27:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8CF1ACEB1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3cQGGt8PMXxq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE981ACEAF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkdv3 with SMTP id v3so11126326qkd.3 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=g2XzoEvvMlHVkMRor+OgbbDPfHVQUPqQYrMKuWKEmtM=; b=nSCSc0KZZmJ2XoHl0rmfsVlUMPzX2oyBmAyGRQXfi1kApB6gQgR/6OSTRzHz3Y2gxi 75y6W18305qnWfNpm3x5AbAYsVDhKykCkWzMOXuR8Z+kJsmLJhRpxocJ6puZb7Ie6RPp MiHy3P+/zJkHGSCeu9U2kuHRaqrsQ0T8gzUjZptTiga7KG9irgx0Ceu9HakavgTmk9G7 OmAK11WOdmDeWSzERMgWtGWemL55VMgf1n4Jc34Lm3/Jna/a9EpufIdlKdlz1TPBoL2e lYrDY1jXQR9ZtB792NUkqSwLiIJa0q7AjSXn9R7fDk68vh7Ym9B08YX3g1pR6it75ejd dYRA== X-Received: by 10.140.93.43 with SMTP id c40mr33771203qge.54.1436894859086; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.131.118.86] ([173.38.117.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 99sm784879qku.20.2015.07.14.10.27.38 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:27:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9D8B5F24-4B11-413B-91A6-5FF5022D7B3A@gmail.com> References: To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Laundry service by the kilo with pickup/delivery X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:27:41 -0000 Randall - Thanks for passing along that information. Was there any = guarantee of next day delivery? - Ralph > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:19 AM 7/14/15, Randall Gellens = wrote: >=20 > I have confirmed with the concierge that there is a local laundry = service that will pickup and deliver laundry, and charge by the kilo: >=20 > Pradelna Laundry-express charge per kilos >=20 > LAUNDRY DELIVERY >=20 > Personal laundry 0,0 - 0,5 kg 290,- > Personal laundry 0,5 - 2,0 kg 450,- > Personal laundry 2,0 - 4,0 kg 650,- > Personal laundry 4,0 - 6,0 kg 800,- > Personal laundry 6,0 - 8,0 kg 950,- >=20 > Costs include washing, ironing (except for shirts - 1pc 20 CZK and = other complex pieces - dresses, suits etc. based on agreement) and = delivery service. > Prices are final. 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:29:00 -0000 I found out that my reservation was spontaneously cancelled without = notice soon after I booked when the IETF reservations opened. I found out accidentally when talking to the Hilton chain about another = matter. After contacting the Prague hotel, I was re-booked under another = confirmation number. Its not clear whether that was happening already or = whether my call was what fixed the issue. Sooo=E2=80=A6 I wonder if the high-rate is due to some administrative = error? Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.hunt@oracle.com > On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >=20 > I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of = cancellations. If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20= >=20 > Tom >=20 >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary = room cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they = will charge a cancellation penalty. >>=20 >> Quote from the cancellation email: >> " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, = modifications or cancellations" >>=20 >> When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >>=20 >> I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by = calling this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on = the spot. >>=20 >> I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Richard >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 10:41:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903631ACEC3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qQn7BPzB3mWA for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (hermes.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347181A8A62 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E0916B4117A; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:41:04 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CDQDH8WdUoJa; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:41:03 -0300 (UYT) Received: from erebus.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:2128:70d5:93b6:67fa:8ce8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A7AD16B41179; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:41:03 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <55A549AF.7090501@lacnic.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:41:03 -0300 From: "Carlos M. Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Hardie , Dave Taht References: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070008080405080601050101" Archived-At: Cc: Matthew Ford , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:41:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070008080405080601050101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1, not all places in the world are as privileged as Karlstad. s2 -Carlos On 7/14/15 2:17 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dave Taht > wrote: > > I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board. > > ​ If it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your boatbus has a > radio network uplink that is cellular. If that uplink is 3g, and > you're multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, you will > be constrained at some times. When it is LTE (or multilink cellular), > you may be doing better. > > But I think the real discussion points are for folks who aren't > getting LTE any time soon. See ISOC'srecent report > (especially > section 2) for some graphs on where things are not quite so good as > Karlstad. > > regards, > > Ted > > > > > What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rather than > 3g or lte? > > On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" > wrote: > > Hello - > > We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel > at IETF 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol > Challenges for Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.” > > Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is > required to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See > https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 > for session information and the registration link. Lunch will > be provided for attendees. > > The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No > registration is required for the webcast. > > ---------- > SESSION ABSTRACT > > In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end > mobile devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to > cellular networks. But many application developers live and > work with much faster computing platforms and networking > environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to > accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a > transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to > re-architect and re-design systems to better cope with > connectivity diversity? > > Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The > next billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even > current users with access to both wireless and wireline > networks use wireless networks more often. What does designing > for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at the > transport layer or in the application, or at the interface > between the two? > > In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better > understand the diversity of Internet connectivity and > terminals, and discuss the challenges and responses to these > modes of Internet connectivity including: > > • How application developers are dealing with terminal > and connectivity diversity > • Considerations for protocol developers > • How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior > • Design principles that could be extrapolated from > the data and the technical responses to date > • How power management and connectivity management > interact > > Moderator: > Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society > > Panelists: > Ted Hardie, independent > Blake Matheny, Facebook > Henning Wiemann, Ericsson > > ---------- > PANEL DETAILS > > Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 > Venue: Hilton Prague > Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) > > We hope you can join us! > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --------------070008080405080601050101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1,

not all places in the world are as privileged as Karlstad.

s2

-Carlos

On 7/14/15 2:17 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board.

​ If it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your boatbus has a radio network uplink that is cellular.  If that uplink is 3g, and you're multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, you will be constrained at some times.  When it is LTE (or multilink cellular), you may be doing better.

But I think the real discussion points are for folks who aren't getting LTE any time soon.  See ISOC's recent report (especially section 2) for some graphs on where things are not quite so good as Karlstad.

regards,

Ted


 

What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rather than 3g or lte?

On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" <ford@isoc.org> wrote:
Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.”

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provided for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is required for the webcast.

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SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many application developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between the two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

        • How application developers are dealing with terminal and connectivity diversity
        • Considerations for protocol developers
        • How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
        • Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data and the technical responses to date
        • How power management and connectivity management interact

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

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PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!


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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:53:49 -0000 On 2015-07-14 17:33, McDonald, Alex wrote: > I am not a lawyer, but I have done some research in this area. > > Please be aware that (a) the Czech Republic is in the EU (b) according to EU law you are collecting personal identifiable data. > > Therefore (from http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collection/legal/index_en.htm) > > ---->> > Under the Data Protection Directive, collecting and processing the personal data of individuals is only legitimate in one of the following circumstances laid down by Article 7 of the Directive: > > Where the individual concerned, (the 'data subject'), has unambiguously given his or her consent, after being adequately informed; or > if data processing is needed for a contract, for example, for billing, a job application or a loan request; or > if processing is required by a legal obligation; or > if processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interest of the data subject, for example, processing of medical data of a victim of a car accident; or > if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests or tasks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or other public bodies; or > if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate interest in doing so, as long as this interest does not affect the interests of the data subject, or infringe on his or her fundamental rights, in particular the right to privacy. This provision establishes the need to strike a reasonable balance between the data controllers' business interests and the privacy of data subjects. > <<---- > > The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and process this data. To that end; http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collection/obligations/index_en.htm I am not a lawyer either but I've dealt with a few cases similar to this in my $dayjob. In some countries research is considered to be a task of public interest and fall under the last but one clause but then often coupled with an ethics review function. For the heck of it I just reviewed the Swedish research ethics board note on PII and they cite the public interest clause [1] (Swedish readers only I'm afraid). To make things worse, EU regulation is changing from a directive to "federal" EU law so national law may not even apply (or at least not for very long) in this area. I'm pretty sure that under (current) Swedish law you'd be required to do a formal review by the human research ethics review board for this type of research. [1] http://www.epn.se/media/63764/faktabroschyr-pul-forskning.pdf Cheers Leif From nobody Tue Jul 14 11:16:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8328A1ACF1D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19qa4z-iw3YV for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ia-mailgw.apnic.net (ia-mailgw.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dd8:a:851::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D6BC1AD379 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apnic.net; s=c3po; h=received:received:received:mime-version:x-received:reply-to:received: in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type: return-path:x-originating-ip; bh=2iUJmk2HBxRE8kXcaIPCLOyo5qVgAAwjS76MJ7NFbEA=; b=0++7Ma2R780NizB9LkYbZq9CMBPqYp+aaZKTKamdkoiVipU/qPHUtWU1rP9l/ZJQv6MuAXjKqSF6h PRRgJG9JW4aj46eva/UHKrA9JustiBf5jHNvIqPxrnYvEEUdjR9P4rLNNu6U6WOfFII7KxUBwwW2zo bqBrGHjsTQZ6mTmE= Received: from iamda3.org.apnic.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:dd8:9:2::101:249]) by ia-mailgw.apnic.net (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTPS for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:16:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (203.119.101.249) by iamda3.org.apnic.net (203.119.111.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.218.12; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:16:39 +1000 Received: by lbbyj8 with SMTP id yj8so11102785lbb.0 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.205.1 with SMTP id lc1mr16379152lac.75.1436897793282; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.199.37 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:16:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Michaelson To: "Carlos M. Martinez" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113369e88c1ccb051ad9d61c" X-Originating-IP: [203.119.101.249] Archived-At: Cc: Ted Hardie , Dave Taht , Matthew Ford , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: ggm@apnic.net List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:16:44 -0000 --001a113369e88c1ccb051ad9d61c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went to a seminar where a UK expert described a possible 5G model as beam-shaping on steroids. Cellular may not mean what we think it means when the base-station has a phased-array antenna, and beam-forms to the people who connect on a lower RF bandwidth to identify, and then get spot-signal beamed to them, *in motion* at higher datarate. WiFi and cellular might not mean much different than un-regulated and regulated, once its beams, not cells. -G On 14 July 2015 at 19:41, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > +1, > > not all places in the world are as privileged as Karlstad. > > s2 > > -Carlos > > On 7/14/15 2:17 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > >> I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on board. >> > =E2=80=8B If it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your boatbus = has a > radio network uplink that is cellular. If that uplink is 3g, and you're > multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, you will be > constrained at some times. When it is LTE (or multilink cellular), you m= ay > be doing better. > > But I think the real discussion points are for folks who aren't getting > LTE any time soon. See ISOC's recent report > (especially > section 2) for some graphs on where things are not quite so good as > Karlstad. > > regards, > > Ted > > > > >> What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rather than 3g or >> lte? >> On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford" wrote: >> >>> Hello - >>> >>> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF >>> 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrain= ed >>> Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D >>> >>> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to >>> attend the Briefing Panel in person. See >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 >>> for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provid= ed >>> for attendees. >>> >>> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration >>> is required for the webcast. >>> >>> ---------- >>> SESSION ABSTRACT >>> >>> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile >>> devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But = many >>> application developers live and work with much faster computing platfor= ms >>> and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to >>> accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient >>> condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and >>> re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity? >>> >>> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next >>> billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users wit= h >>> access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks mor= e >>> often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like= - >>> whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interfa= ce >>> between the two? >>> >>> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand >>> the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the >>> challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity includ= ing: >>> >>> =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal = and >>> connectivity diversity >>> =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers >>> =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior >>> =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the= data and >>> the technical responses to date >>> =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management inte= ract >>> >>> Moderator: >>> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society >>> >>> Panelists: >>> Ted Hardie, independent >>> Blake Matheny, Facebook >>> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson >>> >>> ---------- >>> PANEL DETAILS >>> >>> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 >>> Venue: Hilton Prague >>> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) >>> >>> We hope you can join us! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 93attendees mailing list >>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>> >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list93attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/93attendees > > > --001a113369e88c1ccb051ad9d61c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I went to a seminar where a UK expert described a possible= 5G model as beam-shaping on steroids. Cellular may not mean what we think = it means when the base-station has a phased-array antenna, and beam-forms t= o the people who connect on a lower RF bandwidth to identify, and then get = spot-signal beamed to them, *in motion* at higher datarate.

<= div>WiFi and cellular might not mean much different than un-regulated and r= egulated, once its beams, not cells.

-G

On 14 July 2015 = at 19:41, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+1,

not all places in the world are as privileged as Karlstad.

s2

-Carlos

On 7/14/15 2:17 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmai= l.com> wrote:

I am writing this on a boatbus in karlstad. Via the WiFi on = board.

=E2=80=8B If it doesn't have a very long cord, chances are your boatbus= has a radio network uplink that is cellular.=C2=A0 If that uplink is 3g, a= nd you're multiplexing lots of traffic over that single uplink, you wil= l be constrained at some times.=C2=A0 When it is LTE (or multilink cellular), you may be doing better.

But I think the real discussion points are for folks who aren't getting= LTE any time soon.=C2=A0 See ISOC's recent report (especia= lly section 2) for some graphs on where things are not quite so good as Karlstad.

regards,

Ted


=C2=A0

What percentage of the next billion users will be WiFi rathe= r than 3g or lte?

On Jul 14, 2015 9:20 AM, "Matthew Ford"= ; <ford@isoc.org&= gt; wrote:
Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: = "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained = Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to att= end the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93= for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be provided = for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is r= equired for the webcast.

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SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile device= s capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many appli= cation developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and ne= tworking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodate the continuing use of these d= evices? Is this a transient condition of uneven development, or do we need = to re-architect and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity dive= rsity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion= users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acces= s to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. = What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at the transport layer or in the app= lication, or at the interface between the two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the= diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challeng= es and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealin= g with terminal and connectivity diversity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developer= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts u= ser behavior
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extra= polated from the data and the technical responses to date
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity= management interact

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

----------
PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!


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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:25:08 -0000 The Hilton reservation website is currently showing availability, but not f= or the IETF group rate. Lowest rate I see is 6250CZK (~250USD) plus 15% VA= T per night. Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Pu= sateri Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:12 PM To: Richard Li Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from I= nterContinental? I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of cancellation= s. If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20 Tom > On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary roo= m cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will char= ge a cancellation penalty. >=20 > Quote from the cancellation email: > " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modificat= ions or cancellations" >=20 > When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >=20 > I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling = this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. >=20 > I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Richard >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 11:49:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CDF1B2A65 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:49:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMHQAFu3-EWV for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:49:56 -0000 Lisa Tell them you are with the IETF and you should receive the IETF rate. Please advise if you do not. Ray > On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Lisa Lorenzin = wrote: >=20 > The Hilton reservation website is currently showing availability, but = not for the IETF group rate. Lowest rate I see is 6250CZK (~250USD) = plus 15% VAT per night. >=20 > Regards, > Lisa >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tom Pusateri > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:12 PM > To: Richard Li > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation = from InterContinental? >=20 > I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of = cancellations. If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20= >=20 > Tom >=20 >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary = room cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they = will charge a cancellation penalty. >>=20 >> Quote from the cancellation email: >> " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, = modifications or cancellations" >>=20 >> When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >>=20 >> I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by = calling this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on = the spot. >>=20 >> I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Richard >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 11:53:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCA61ACEE1 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lwp4BeqyUbBp for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabertooth01.qualcomm.com (sabertooth01.qualcomm.com [65.197.215.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C7AF1B2A6E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1436900030; x=1468436030; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to:from:subject: cc; bh=UvVrokvhLWmZPSSG4RCY7v3j3Vv0IVMFTtUW7ouvozw=; b=ggCfcUccANaW/lAFdjl4UPbuJU+yTA4IAOfCpHjKqs7MIpUH5iEiIeFb 6bnnbJ1jjQb4vQYCTs0Z06bMGY7skzaO/FjwaYNMp2Lx6hpmKWoascRvT oQjb8iqPKsEH6Kr221Mwx+F6iX9qsi6ilhTXCxFRhtTrbRTnTarFkSzzB w=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,7862"; a="92702687" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by sabertooth01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Jul 2015 11:53:50 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,473,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="961116903" Received: from plus.qualcomm.com ([10.52.255.8]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Jul 2015 11:53:49 -0700 Received: from Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com (ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com [172.30.48.18]) by plus.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id t6EIrnM3025682; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:53:49 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,473,1432623600"; d="scan'208";a="960513142" X-ojodefuego: yes Received: from unknown (HELO [99.111.97.136]) ([10.64.164.212]) by Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2015 11:53:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9D8B5F24-4B11-413B-91A6-5FF5022D7B3A@gmail.com> References: <9D8B5F24-4B11-413B-91A6-5FF5022D7B3A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:53:27 -0700 To: Ralph Droms From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Laundry service by the kilo with pickup/delivery X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:53:52 -0000 Hi Ralph (and anyone else interested), I've emailed the laundry owner directly to try and nail down the turnaround time, but I suspect it depends on how busy he is and if the customer expresses a need for same-day, next-day, or 2nd-day service. At 1:27 PM -0400 7/14/15, Ralph Droms wrote: > Randall - Thanks for passing along that information. Was there any > guarantee of next day delivery? > > - Ralph > >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:19 AM 7/14/15, Randall Gellens >> wrote: >> >> I have confirmed with the concierge that there is a local laundry >> service that will pickup and deliver laundry, and charge by the >> kilo: >> >> Pradelna Laundry-express charge per kilos >> >> LAUNDRY DELIVERY >> >> Personal laundry 0,0 - 0,5 kg 290,- >> Personal laundry 0,5 - 2,0 kg 450,- >> Personal laundry 2,0 - 4,0 kg 650,- >> Personal laundry 4,0 - 6,0 kg 800,- >> Personal laundry 6,0 - 8,0 kg 950,- >> >> Costs include washing, ironing (except for shirts - 1pc 20 CZK and >> other complex pieces - dresses, suits etc. based on agreement) and >> delivery service. >> Prices are final. Do not pay VAT. >> >> Laundry pick up and delivery is available daily from 9 am to 7 pm. >> Delivery time depends on guests` needs and frequency of orders. >> >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- >> An old physics joke recounts that Werner Heisenberg (of the uncertainty >> principle) is pulled over by the police for speeding one night. The >> police officer asks the professor, "Do you have any idea how fast you >> were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. They came for the trade unionists, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up. --Martin Niemoell From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:17:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EE21B2A28 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kb36FjikP-Xz for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66D021ACE00 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BYT35037; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.218.25.39) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:17:43 +0100 Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.184]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.174]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:17:37 -0700 From: Richard Li To: Michal Krsek , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from InterContinental? Thread-Index: AQHQvlZ46mnOmiCPWkSEM4j5ZzWNzp3bVk8g Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:17:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A02076.2050601@gont.com.ar> <5162A05A-8E78-4CB4-B046-489D6F629C8E@nic.cz> <20150711162722.GE23837@cisco.com> <55A1B635.80107@gont.com.ar> <55A53FEB.1090209@krsek.cz> In-Reply-To: <55A53FEB.1090209@krsek.cz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.145.75] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from InterContinental? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:17:49 -0000 Hi Michal, Thanks for your kind reply. Instead of broadcasting it to the whole world, = I will forward the cancellation email to you. I am sure it is not spam, sin= ce it has all info about my trip. Thanks, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Michal Krsek [mailto:michal@krsek.cz]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:59 AM To: 93attendees@ietf.org Cc: Richard Li Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from I= nterContinental? Hi Richard, send me your information off the list and I'll check what happened to your = reservation. Michal On 14.7.2015 18:54, Richard Li wrote: > Hi All, > > Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary roo= m cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will char= ge a cancellation penalty. > > Quote from the cancellation email: > " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modificat= ions or cancellations" > > When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. > > I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling = this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. > > I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:36:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2360A1B2B69 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PDdzYweofYR5 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com (mail-lb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80E051B2B70 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbzr7 with SMTP id zr7so12279678lbb.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OEr1nLLk0bLCEMdn6mXmLSBWgBxRMeCkONBDM12fvjI=; b=AgoVNP1MSqo5HzoPBK6/+y4Me/EzYJ91XefXl2KruS/pZ1BjCQVpIzubrUFlrJfxoX U2O9vbuhgRh8CH721UEU19IbcPYZkYoSb82hAyxrsymo/5x4PJ5j7ryMGJgZzCK2bSGc dC5P/3i8/MkxhuG5c1Fvd3cNwIpyMV20LHR3U= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OEr1nLLk0bLCEMdn6mXmLSBWgBxRMeCkONBDM12fvjI=; b=IMAu3x0SNLaCCs7C0pWnzEznF+NJz5t0edX+wBrkSWTnkDMZvn8sSAxB+ZlVvYSO8V bnOokoBZMh/2JzFl2ynUFjMRLmMGKY6qqxDa3yDggFQHuNPamjA+SDxzdfeC3zS+clG5 yxSWvFXdqhA34GJBihT4lzgmBrznRj/vl9NFSe6IUqsQuJYWE+4XHK/F01dZndl1SXo5 o3K2QbJrRDk9IglmbHW4hFpYTaOTp5rxsu4m+bfbjWGCg9TkDdHuDcXhlPsua0Tm6zpF 751ouJp0DgWLzbdH+t8J/1KI3YrNO6GjyIbOb1T1D4jB657uEgSHTs1stkY1IAex7Fni ukpw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmeJ3tbjQ6hTSehQr0FMRvuuQeWzEqut6cw7Q9rkkoeoizz2xNtdkziLux0rzQNxy+t1KGP X-Received: by 10.112.46.130 with SMTP id v2mr185995lbm.119.1436902596024; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.159.78 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> References: <5B03119B-6789-4D75-85A3-A44FBC24D0DE@isoc.org> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Matthew Ford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:36:43 -0000 Hi, the page you point to says: "On 9 July, registration for IETF attendees to attend in person opens in two batches at 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC for global time zone fairness." But 9 July was 5 days ago. Would love to attend if I can figure out how... best, Joe On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Ford wrote: > Hello - > > We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93= : "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained Rad= io Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D > > Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to a= ttend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/int= ernet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the regist= ration link. Lunch will be provided for attendees. > > The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is= required for the webcast. > > ---------- > SESSION ABSTRACT > > In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile devi= ces capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many app= lication developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and = networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommod= ate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of u= neven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to b= etter cope with connectivity diversity? > > Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billi= on users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with access = to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. Wh= at does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at= the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between the= two? > > In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand t= he diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challe= nges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including: > > =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal an= d connectivity diversity > =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers > =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior > =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the d= ata and the technical responses to date > =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management intera= ct > > Moderator: > Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society > > Panelists: > Ted Hardie, independent > Blake Matheny, Facebook > Henning Wiemann, Ericsson > > ---------- > PANEL DETAILS > > Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 > Venue: Hilton Prague > Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) > > We hope you can join us! > > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist Center for Democracy & Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 joe@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:46:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3980D1B2B96 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:46:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tV24RJfz1HDM for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 433231B2B15 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagx9 with SMTP id x9so12235796lag.1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SUyYKZTFtbqlbg48NWWe8vANMbtjnZeaXJrH4IDU4aQ=; b=I2kr6LYRtVH1KQ1iJzEpUnCJUCkmhs1eq7SwVega9awWjsVVRKic77i184dVY7A3ZX uA4MJrOk440tZxcCIC1wx/Mmg/NGxiamYLdtokZB/nFFW+dDVg7aSOOWVDp1rArh74FS 5SMFCzNPjSdOB/VPtNiafY3xQvfIp0dEiufzI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SUyYKZTFtbqlbg48NWWe8vANMbtjnZeaXJrH4IDU4aQ=; b=Pm8Jh9gWFS0jlwg0dw0my9h35in6YLSBn9NkbY1tWxgzRmS1qFb5BuEs4kjRaHqzDA xBjw4VjDUH6U6J5ORL/MPBTNlccjgbbohsOfWgAmO3ERUeLRV+/HNCbv8MJU9dWIfIgJ o50jsa2LwDw+Pctk8BUYEglGBIHfhDON1TDVki7Pt4UBzAGiRbk1n6z8FZfoI9PiPfQk hOih+14umTQVWMlMn080+yqz6iTlpEXlzbSGDqkQYpdWJwkmRr1ht4O3Gt25YoP/7YJ4 y5aBg/BsUeJagk1cA0TTuby4cYhmpDKLosjNy1PtqVNnOYRmv/htFBAC65xuwXbtI0Qv se/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnmGPRcd4mmWVIMPae80sdnirIlEeKLvPcV4DDcxSfVrHd4/t8p1inJ5IjYrQuEVLMVMG9f X-Received: by 10.112.50.148 with SMTP id c20mr259782lbo.27.1436903171748; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.159.78 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A54CA4.1080404@sunet.se> References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A54CA4.1080404@sunet.se> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:45:52 -0400 Message-ID: To: Leif Johansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:46:15 -0000 There are a few of us that have a lot of experience with the law and process of doing human subjects research... in the US, the general calculus is essentially balancing the risk to individuals to the research question at hand. For example, in a number of experiments I've been involved with, we've been asked to drop significant octets (or two) from IPv4 addresses, hash MAC addresses with a salt/key that is securely destroyed immediately afterwards, and ensure we are securely deleting data (random writes, etc.) after it is no longer needed (and not keeping it forever). If this is the kind of thing IETF might do more of, it might be good to have a small group that can assess these kinds of requests, make suggestions, and approve/reject before the Chair has to necessarily step in. (Similarly, if IETFers might want guidance on these issues in terms of network experiments and proper research data handling for human subjects data, that's something we'd be interested in helping with at CDT.) The legal questions are going to be the ones we can't rely on our own community to deal with and will need to have some analysis before each IETF... of course, the hard alternative is "no experiments for other than operational questions on the IETF network" which doesn't sound satisfying to me. best, Joe On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: > On 2015-07-14 17:33, McDonald, Alex wrote: >> I am not a lawyer, but I have done some research in this area. >> >> Please be aware that (a) the Czech Republic is in the EU (b) according t= o EU law you are collecting personal identifiable data. >> >> Therefore (from http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collect= ion/legal/index_en.htm) >> >> ---->> >> Under the Data Protection Directive, collecting and processing the perso= nal data of individuals is only legitimate in one of the following circumst= ances laid down by Article 7 of the Directive: >> >> Where the individual concerned, (the 'data subject'), has unambiguou= sly given his or her consent, after being adequately informed; or >> if data processing is needed for a contract, for example, for billin= g, a job application or a loan request; or >> if processing is required by a legal obligation; or >> if processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interest of= the data subject, for example, processing of medical data of a victim of a= car accident; or >> if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests or t= asks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or other public= bodies; or >> if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate interest in= doing so, as long as this interest does not affect the interests of the da= ta subject, or infringe on his or her fundamental rights, in particular the= right to privacy. This provision establishes the need to strike a reasonab= le balance between the data controllers' business interests and the privacy= of data subjects. >> <<---- >> >> The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and proce= ss this data. To that end; http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data= -collection/obligations/index_en.htm > > I am not a lawyer either but I've dealt with a few cases similar > to this in my $dayjob. > > In some countries research is considered to be a task of public > interest and fall under the last but one clause but then often > coupled with an ethics review function. > > For the heck of it I just reviewed the Swedish research ethics board > note on PII and they cite the public interest clause [1] (Swedish > readers only I'm afraid). > > To make things worse, EU regulation is changing from a directive to > "federal" EU law so national law may not even apply (or at least not > for very long) in this area. > > I'm pretty sure that under (current) Swedish law you'd be required > to do a formal review by the human research ethics review board > for this type of research. > > [1] http://www.epn.se/media/63764/faktabroschyr-pul-forskning.pdf > > Cheers Leif > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist Center for Democracy & Technology 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 Washington DC 20006-4011 (p) 202-407-8825 (f) 202-637-0968 joe@cdt.org PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:49:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460F71B2BA8 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:49:30 -0000 Hi Joe, That is confusing I agree. Apparently we are now at capacity which is = why the registration form is no longer available. We=E2=80=99ll update = the page to make that clear. Meanwhile, if you=E2=80=99d still like to attend but don=E2=80=99t = require a free lunch, seats will be available, so please come along = anyway if you can. Mat > On 14 Jul 2015, at 20:36, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >=20 > Hi, the page you point to says: >=20 > "On 9 July, registration for IETF attendees to attend in person opens > in two batches at 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC for global time zone > fairness." >=20 > But 9 July was 5 days ago. Would love to attend if I can figure out = how... >=20 > best, Joe >=20 > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Ford wrote: >> Hello - >>=20 >> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at = IETF 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for = Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required = to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See = https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 = for session information and the registration link. Lunch will be = provided for attendees. >>=20 >> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No = registration is required for the webcast. >>=20 >> ---------- >> SESSION ABSTRACT >>=20 >> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile = devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But = many application developers live and work with much faster computing = platforms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to = change to accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a = transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect = and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity? >>=20 >> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next = billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with = access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more = often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like = - whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the = interface between the two? >>=20 >> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better = understand the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and = discuss the challenges and responses to these modes of Internet = connectivity including: >>=20 >> =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal = and connectivity diversity >> =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers >> =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior >> =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from = the data and the technical responses to date >> =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management = interact >>=20 >> Moderator: >> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society >>=20 >> Panelists: >> Ted Hardie, independent >> Blake Matheny, Facebook >> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson >>=20 >> ---------- >> PANEL DETAILS >>=20 >> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 >> Venue: Hilton Prague >> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time) >>=20 >> We hope you can join us! >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist > Center for Democracy & Technology > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 > Washington DC 20006-4011 > (p) 202-407-8825 > (f) 202-637-0968 > joe@cdt.org > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:50:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFB01B2BB7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uGdSv1Bqgr0F for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (e-mailfilter01.sunet.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:8:2::201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FAEA1B2BB4 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.sunet.se (smtp1.sunet.se [192.36.171.214]) by e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id t6EJoK92008399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:50:20 +0200 Received: from kerio.sunet.se (kerio.sunet.se [192.36.171.210]) by smtp1.sunet.se (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t6EJoHsF015203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:50:20 +0200 (CEST) VBR-Info: md=sunet.se; mc=all; mv=swamid.se DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sunet.se; s=default; t=1436903420; bh=YwxpKB+2H+lmDVrDO/Ov3HDpGFZUhxOclrrtvpnLNss=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Cc; b=SpqEq0mYALFIyR/4IYyEUuActESzskXFjZtFZvJ9RGL5/dxk1Ucm81qee+Pw/y18W yDFSmIC6D3jFUW2HxlkICbJYEuKTWa6Z5n7f3BKdTGMYak2HKBEO0HQkJbcvrCkj7B 1ngJaZI6Be8Sp3+Tl/KVMciWD9RAqEV1rQKYhD/8= X-Footer: c3VuZXQuc2U= Received: from [81.230.12.165] ([81.230.12.165]) by kerio.sunet.se (Kerio Connect 8.3.4 patch 1); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:50:17 +0200 From: "Leif Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <4F2C31B6-EF00-46F2-8E1D-1E43596494C8@sunet.se> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:50:17 +0200 References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A54CA4.1080404@sunet.se> To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: outbound, outbound-sunet-se:default, sunet-se:default, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=192.36.171.210; country=SE; latitude=59.3294; longitude=18.0686; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=59.3294,18.0686&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-sunet-se:outbound (inherits from outbound-sunet-se:default, sunet-se:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 09OQjOkEG - e018d3666d42 - 20150714 X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: PfMRe/vJWMiXwM2YIH5BVExnUnw Received-SPF: neutral (e-mailfilter01.sunet.se: 192.36.171.210 is neither permitted nor denied by domain leifj@sunet.se) receiver=e-mailfilter01.sunet.se; client-ip=192.36.171.210; envelope-from=; helo=smtp1.sunet.se; identity=mailfrom X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.36.171.201 Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:50:31 -0000 > 14 jul 2015 kl. 21:46 skrev Joseph Lorenzo Hall : >=20 > There are a few of us that have a lot of experience with the law and > process of doing human subjects research... in the US, the general > calculus is essentially balancing the risk to individuals to the > research question at hand. For example, in a number of experiments > I've been involved with, we've been asked to drop significant octets > (or two) from IPv4 addresses, hash MAC addresses with a salt/key that > is securely destroyed immediately afterwards, and ensure we are > securely deleting data (random writes, etc.) after it is no longer > needed (and not keeping it forever). makes sense >=20 > If this is the kind of thing IETF might do more of, it might be good > to have a small group that can assess these kinds of requests, make > suggestions, and approve/reject before the Chair has to necessarily > step in. (Similarly, if IETFers might want guidance on these issues in > terms of network experiments and proper research data handling for > human subjects data, that's something we'd be interested in helping > with at CDT.) my point was that national law may already provide such review mechanisms >=20 > The legal questions are going to be the ones we can't rely on our own > community to deal with and will need to have some analysis before each > IETF... of course, the hard alternative is "no experiments for other > than operational questions on the IETF network" which doesn't sound > satisfying to me. >=20 that would be bad > best, Joe >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: >>> On 2015-07-14 17:33, McDonald, Alex wrote: >>> I am not a lawyer, but I have done some research in this area. >>>=20 >>> Please be aware that (a) the Czech Republic is in the EU (b) according t= o EU law you are collecting personal identifiable data. >>>=20 >>> Therefore (from http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collect= ion/legal/index_en.htm) >>>=20 >>> ---->> >>> Under the Data Protection Directive, collecting and processing the perso= nal data of individuals is only legitimate in one of the following circumsta= nces laid down by Article 7 of the Directive: >>>=20 >>> Where the individual concerned, (the 'data subject'), has unambiguous= ly given his or her consent, after being adequately informed; or >>> if data processing is needed for a contract, for example, for billing= , a job application or a loan request; or >>> if processing is required by a legal obligation; or >>> if processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interest of t= he data subject, for example, processing of medical data of a victim of a ca= r accident; or >>> if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests or ta= sks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or other public b= odies; or >>> if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate interest in d= oing so, as long as this interest does not affect the interests of the data s= ubject, or infringe on his or her fundamental rights, in particular the righ= t to privacy. This provision establishes the need to strike a reasonable bal= ance between the data controllers' business interests and the privacy of dat= a subjects. >>> <<---- >>>=20 >>> The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and proce= ss this data. To that end; http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-= collection/obligations/index_en.htm >>=20 >> I am not a lawyer either but I've dealt with a few cases similar >> to this in my $dayjob. >>=20 >> In some countries research is considered to be a task of public >> interest and fall under the last but one clause but then often >> coupled with an ethics review function. >>=20 >> For the heck of it I just reviewed the Swedish research ethics board >> note on PII and they cite the public interest clause [1] (Swedish >> readers only I'm afraid). >>=20 >> To make things worse, EU regulation is changing from a directive to >> "federal" EU law so national law may not even apply (or at least not >> for very long) in this area. >>=20 >> I'm pretty sure that under (current) Swedish law you'd be required >> to do a formal review by the human research ethics review board >> for this type of research. >>=20 >> [1] http://www.epn.se/media/63764/faktabroschyr-pul-forskning.pdf >>=20 >> Cheers Leif >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist > Center for Democracy & Technology > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 > Washington DC 20006-4011 > (p) 202-407-8825 > (f) 202-637-0968 > joe@cdt.org > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:54:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776991B2BB3 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMMp9b3BHWva for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA641B2B8E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2722; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436903661; x=1438113261; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=g4UAHlK9CxHDtQAWLuW+6xvaRcPxpErXVkKLY6fk6vc=; b=eqsUlhqDjgf/BYJw5ctkq6XxQSYpu278lHEQt7pCUzJwmE6sory//Qxa EQnF0ofwWG80SlZeUvZiRhluztNc339oyvO6xkpCmKnAEoODSyM+hDiFm sxv1HMH9uj713hPG2KlHm3bMEEYUBodTPfFhvvA7+0wOaaEq4XefmhLk2 0=; X-Files: signature.asc : 833 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BCAwD8Z6VV/5NdJa1bgxNUaQa7TwmBagyFK0oCgUw4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQjAQEBAwEBAQFrCwULAgEIGC4nCyUCBA4FDogYCA3PUwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReLTIJkgT8RAVEHgxeBFAWUMgGCLoFUaIcbgUCEGJMWJoN7bwGBAwkXIxJyAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,474,1432598400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="168499293" Received: from rcdn-core-11.cisco.com ([173.37.93.147]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2015 19:54:20 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6EJsK4Q022612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:54:20 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.49]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:54:20 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: Rolf Winter Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting Thread-Index: AQHQvahuzCNCwU6PF0aUO6/MEWAgyZ3btjyA Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:54:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4CB7203A-1CEC-44A0-84DE-E31849025C12@cisco.com> References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> In-Reply-To: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.24.162.77] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B5A2F091-F2A2-430B-94FD-1687D7A4BAD9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:54:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B5A2F091-F2A2-430B-94FD-1687D7A4BAD9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is this specifically "broadcast", or does it also include "multicast"? = I'd suggest that understanding multicast traffic is more useful, as = broadcast is specifically IPv4 and multicast will also include IPv6. > On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Rolf Winter = wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF = wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the = network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP = broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on another = large wireless campus network with interesting results and will repeat = the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second data point. We = collect the data and aggregate it to statistics which will not reveal = data about individual users of the network and once that is done, we = will delete all packet traces we collected. More information on the = experiment can be found here: >=20 > = http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html= >=20 > If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an = Email. >=20 > See you in Prague, >=20 > Rolf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail=_B5A2F091-F2A2-430B-94FD-1687D7A4BAD9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIVAwUBVaVo6kayAOS/EQ8MAQKR+g/5AQHFmSB42Ow11BU1BQrpFjD46hvFnxFL HxNcBj0DRH1BMIh+Va2QMZ52z5+NxGPbT/bAE7jGQ+4tWqdsMJDEgXtm6olIqJDM lkgmg2CQASE3mue4pldtPoCT7xKi1PQbkQ30WJb3V9ElGQs9I0hR7FrZNAQrrNXi v9NMJy4/clUtZpfPdej8cIZEmKVH7JNKluFZyYFxPDAjIQ/5dy5pVTUw156o2LmJ Ux40GPHsWY9DBNkgVka81x0+LUmyO5KfSDBcNiTwMYGNX2OW4nI8niQiGQpAksdk XmeutWqcqCJMM0Hvznb3RFy6SYgnGVDwWsNNE/YbeKnakczbcLZuUbjsFdAgMM7g ifjJ0pgyw76CBEXuTyNQ2Aetphegz2A9MU4sKafc39cOCVkOgezXZdyIcH7k3xIu Bg8oacfw+1kGZQ3a2j9l8f9PODsthucfOw7GAmahhk7Ax9TxWzJk4w9OYdGzdTNA 6Mtm/NOqFCws/xHgyaU1dbGEAYnyDX/gjxWzDhOLd5L4L+RWLbYxXvV4+1Ozhzw2 utBVoDQffjHd5u5qMR1GzzDyr9+uG38ul1wxryVIdcIv/2uf4LN9QSOoTqEmLta5 AY3+hk+sWp4uFACjkPLkKhW8WwKHupaAFZY/5knN028wlroK8Pk8/QOphtNPREBz UZ2UQeZ32No= =qP9B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B5A2F091-F2A2-430B-94FD-1687D7A4BAD9-- From nobody Tue Jul 14 12:55:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680A81B2BD7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k9A6fojhbvrq for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4F211B2BC7 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2858; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436903754; x=1438113354; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=pyNKKcQ6Iu643b1yrPrdDth5iRZdgkZt2eWH6A2cl/A=; b=QFgIG0Fulhpz0VNSzo0Py05sKaoQ7s8LQdi6wEQOJXbpvdRs8ruevuLi IgWDEAafFxMiGqA1jqxjoZ9/q5rv27d82wDukqIYrcsJQIcoDALsJ6wMw 0RKLCRrC9ofiIeD+ekTd/0SycRxDp4VP+GltdzfhFyrQfW1orcLJjq/ld c=; X-Files: signature.asc : 833 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A4BQAiaaVV/5FdJa1bgxNUaQa7WIFqCoUtSgKBTDkTAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQEDAQEBAWsLBQsCAQgYLicLJQIEDgUOiBgIDc9XAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSLTIUGB4MXgRQFhwmNKQGCLoFUg0AMhDeIC5BjJoN7b4FHgQQBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,474,1432598400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="168653231" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2015 19:55:48 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com [173.37.183.82]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6EJtmT0010153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:55:48 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.49]) by xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([173.37.183.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:55:48 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: Randall Gellens Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Laundry service by the kilo with pickup/delivery Thread-Index: AQHQvkmN0sAMhEARlkG/HO2NrZj3mp3btWQA Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: <40DA5E68-4C42-45B2-8FCF-91B99C4511B5@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.24.162.77] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F4375656-0F42-43BF-8B77-B059ACC93D36"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Laundry service by the kilo with pickup/delivery X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:55:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F4375656-0F42-43BF-8B77-B059ACC93D36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I take it this is from the Hilton? > On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Randall Gellens = wrote: >=20 > I have confirmed with the concierge that there is a local laundry = service that will pickup and deliver laundry, and charge by the kilo: >=20 > Pradelna Laundry-express charge per kilos >=20 > LAUNDRY DELIVERY >=20 > Personal laundry 0,0 - 0,5 kg 290,- > Personal laundry 0,5 - 2,0 kg 450,- > Personal laundry 2,0 - 4,0 kg 650,- > Personal laundry 4,0 - 6,0 kg 800,- > Personal laundry 6,0 - 8,0 kg 950,- >=20 > Costs include washing, ironing (except for shirts - 1pc 20 CZK and = other complex pieces - dresses, suits etc. based on agreement) and = delivery service. > Prices are final. Do not pay VAT. >=20 > Laundry pick up and delivery is available daily from 9 am to 7 pm. = Delivery time depends on guests` needs and frequency of orders. >=20 > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > An old physics joke recounts that Werner Heisenberg (of the = uncertainty > principle) is pulled over by the police for speeding one night. The > police officer asks the professor, "Do you have any idea how fast you > were going?" 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:58:41 -0000 On 07/14/2015 08:25 PM, Lisa Lorenzin wrote: > The Hilton reservation website is currently showing availability, but not for the IETF group rate. Lowest rate I see is 6250CZK (~250USD) plus 15% VAT per night. When I tried to book at the IETF rate, they told me Sunday was not available. hotels.com had a room for me for Sunday, at a very much lower rate. But that was long ago. From nobody Tue Jul 14 13:00:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8F31B2BA8 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id laDx_Nx4HmjS for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DC-IP-1.fcc.gov (dc-ip-1.fcc.gov [192.104.54.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FA31B2BAC for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Henning Schulzrinne To: Leif Johansson , Joseph Lorenzo Hall Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting Thread-Index: AQHQvahxWzVQiC3+6kqMk3DoDSZ6H53bGY0AgAAnKgCAAB9ZAIAAATyAgAAA7xk= Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A54CA4.1080404@sunet.se> , <4F2C31B6-EF00-46F2-8E1D-1E43596494C8@sunet.se> In-Reply-To: <4F2C31B6-EF00-46F2-8E1D-1E43596494C8@sunet.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR09MB0634; 5:XPaxGHDA4LXZ9JA2W8RSJJWKcNMBHX8A08DOK4qFRB0jRhBmQroQZsTCWDp8A3IbF5Mx8Cwahe2GOJNt/QZwS83B+KroKc9sTTReKvVy+RtxE/Jk/edB7IZerhYkdFthlOTYnuUGANppnm7tKojqlw==; 24:n6okVgzgbmvt3kF1kmhZgdr/isA2+nGF79qGmuYT8YEZRL2Hy3uLWN0NG1L1KEkt3VkYlIcoyidWzbIJnsCMEm3xjHtmhBdj5eo6/La6cRQ=; 20:nghesmOcqtqZW1F/8MBDjntI4NLi+pgVBh0QbNp1p1aHHJ/VlO///5HmxV/67o5gtw1yB8GUOCgqW8rlNBSGhw== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR09MB0634; cy1pr09mb0634: X-MS-Exchange-Organization-RulesExecuted x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:CY1PR09MB0634; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR09MB0634; x-forefront-prvs: 0637FCE711 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(377454003)(24454002)(243025005)(51704005)(52604005)(377424004)(99286002)(40100003)(102836002)(92566002)(77096005)(5001960100002)(93886004)(74316001)(77156002)(122556002)(5003600100002)(76576001)(15975445007)(5001770100001)(54356999)(19580405001)(19580395003)(2656002)(76176999)(86362001)(106116001)(62966003)(189998001)(2900100001)(87936001)(50986999)(5002640100001)(33656002)(66066001)(2950100001)(46102003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR09MB0634; H:CY1PR09MB0634.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Jul 2015 20:00:20.4271 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72970aed-3669-4ca8-b960-dd016bc72973 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR09MB0634 X-OriginatorOrg: fcc.gov Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:00:26 -0000 IRB (institutional review boards) are associated with the home institution = of the researcher, and only exist in institutions, largely universities or = research hospitals, that conduct human subject experiments. For example, ma= ny or most research groups in industrial settings don't have access to an I= RB unless they collaborate with a university researcher. I would be very surprised if IRBs knew the law and requirements in countrie= s other than their own, or felt comfortable speculating. Thus, this will probably require a two-step test: (1) where available, an IRB opinion from the researcher's home institution = (in many cases that seem low risk or involve public data they simply say "t= hanks for asking, but no need for our review") (2) some kind of locale-specific process. This is going to be the challengi= ng part since you'd need a lawyer familiar with the local laws and practice= . Henning ________________________________________ From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Leif Johansso= n Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 3:50 PM To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting > 14 jul 2015 kl. 21:46 skrev Joseph Lorenzo Hall : > > There are a few of us that have a lot of experience with the law and > process of doing human subjects research... in the US, the general > calculus is essentially balancing the risk to individuals to the > research question at hand. For example, in a number of experiments > I've been involved with, we've been asked to drop significant octets > (or two) from IPv4 addresses, hash MAC addresses with a salt/key that > is securely destroyed immediately afterwards, and ensure we are > securely deleting data (random writes, etc.) after it is no longer > needed (and not keeping it forever). makes sense > > If this is the kind of thing IETF might do more of, it might be good > to have a small group that can assess these kinds of requests, make > suggestions, and approve/reject before the Chair has to necessarily > step in. (Similarly, if IETFers might want guidance on these issues in > terms of network experiments and proper research data handling for > human subjects data, that's something we'd be interested in helping > with at CDT.) my point was that national law may already provide such review mechanisms > > The legal questions are going to be the ones we can't rely on our own > community to deal with and will need to have some analysis before each > IETF... of course, the hard alternative is "no experiments for other > than operational questions on the IETF network" which doesn't sound > satisfying to me. > that would be bad > best, Joe > > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: >>> On 2015-07-14 17:33, McDonald, Alex wrote: >>> I am not a lawyer, but I have done some research in this area. >>> >>> Please be aware that (a) the Czech Republic is in the EU (b) according = to EU law you are collecting personal identifiable data. >>> >>> Therefore (from http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collec= tion/legal/index_en.htm) >>> >>> ---->> >>> Under the Data Protection Directive, collecting and processing the pers= onal data of individuals is only legitimate in one of the following circums= tances laid down by Article 7 of the Directive: >>> >>> Where the individual concerned, (the 'data subject'), has unambiguou= sly given his or her consent, after being adequately informed; or >>> if data processing is needed for a contract, for example, for billin= g, a job application or a loan request; or >>> if processing is required by a legal obligation; or >>> if processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interest of= the data subject, for example, processing of medical data of a victim of a= car accident; or >>> if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests or t= asks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or other public= bodies; or >>> if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate interest in= doing so, as long as this interest does not affect the interests of the da= ta subject, or infringe on his or her fundamental rights, in particular the= right to privacy. This provision establishes the need to strike a reasonab= le balance between the data controllers' business interests and the privacy= of data subjects. >>> <<---- >>> >>> The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and proc= ess this data. To that end; http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/dat= a-collection/obligations/index_en.htm >> >> I am not a lawyer either but I've dealt with a few cases similar >> to this in my $dayjob. >> >> In some countries research is considered to be a task of public >> interest and fall under the last but one clause but then often >> coupled with an ethics review function. >> >> For the heck of it I just reviewed the Swedish research ethics board >> note on PII and they cite the public interest clause [1] (Swedish >> readers only I'm afraid). >> >> To make things worse, EU regulation is changing from a directive to >> "federal" EU law so national law may not even apply (or at least not >> for very long) in this area. >> >> I'm pretty sure that under (current) Swedish law you'd be required >> to do a formal review by the human research ethics review board >> for this type of research. >> >> [1] http://www.epn.se/media/63764/faktabroschyr-pul-forskning.pdf >> >> Cheers Leif >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist > Center for Democracy & Technology > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 > Washington DC 20006-4011 > (p) 202-407-8825 > (f) 202-637-0968 > joe@cdt.org > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 13:07:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886B31B2C27 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFmzXUG7_iLC for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0078.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 744741B2C16 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN1PR06MB437.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.15) by BN1PR06MB438.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.213.14; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:06:59 +0000 Received: from BN1PR06MB437.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.5.241]) by BN1PR06MB437.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.5.241]) with mapi id 15.01.0213.000; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:07:00 +0000 From: Lisa Lorenzin To: Ray Pelletier Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from InterContinental? 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:07:08 -0000 Thanks, Ray - I didn't realize that was a possibility! I've booked online = at the regular rate and sent an email to the hotel requesting the IETF rate= . Will update with results. Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 2:51 PM To: Lisa Lorenzin Cc: Tom Pusateri; Richard Li; 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from I= nterContinental? Lisa Tell them you are with the IETF and you should receive the IETF rate. Please advise if you do not. Ray > On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Lisa Lorenzin wr= ote: >=20 > The Hilton reservation website is currently showing availability, but not= for the IETF group rate. Lowest rate I see is 6250CZK (~250USD) plus 15% = VAT per night. >=20 > Regards, > Lisa >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom = Pusateri > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:12 PM > To: Richard Li > Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation from= InterContinental? >=20 > I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of cancellati= ons. If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20 >=20 > Tom >=20 >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an involuntary ro= om cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even says they will cha= rge a cancellation penalty. >>=20 >> Quote from the cancellation email: >> " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, modifica= tions or cancellations" >>=20 >> When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >>=20 >> I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by calling= this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on the spot. >>=20 >> I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Richard >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 13:09:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C1E1B2C55 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1tI_b1kSde3k for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:09:39 -0000 Lisa We have also sent a note to the hotel and will follow up onsite when Marcia arrives Wednesday. We=E2=80=99ll get this straightened out. Ray > On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:07 PM, Lisa Lorenzin = wrote: >=20 > Thanks, Ray - I didn't realize that was a possibility! I've booked = online at the regular rate and sent an email to the hotel requesting the = IETF rate. Will update with results. >=20 > Regards, > Lisa >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 2:51 PM > To: Lisa Lorenzin > Cc: Tom Pusateri; Richard Li; 93attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation = from InterContinental? >=20 > Lisa >=20 > Tell them you are with the IETF and you should receive the IETF rate. > Please advise if you do not. >=20 > Ray >=20 >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Lisa Lorenzin = wrote: >>=20 >> The Hilton reservation website is currently showing availability, but = not for the IETF group rate. Lowest rate I see is 6250CZK (~250USD) = plus 15% VAT per night. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Lisa >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tom Pusateri >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:12 PM >> To: Richard Li >> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary cancellation = from InterContinental? >>=20 >> I got a note from the Hilton saying they have a high number of = cancellations. If anyone is stuck, you might try getting a room there.=20= >>=20 >> Tom >>=20 >>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Richard Li = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi All, >>>=20 >>> Not sure if it has just happened to me, but I received an = involuntary room cancellation from InterContinental. Moreover, it even = says they will charge a cancellation penalty. >>>=20 >>> Quote from the cancellation email: >>> " Please click here or contact 8014015226 to make reservations, = modifications or cancellations" >>>=20 >>> When I tried to call 801 401 5226, I could not get through. >>>=20 >>> I am wondering if any local guy from Prague could help me out by = calling this hotel to find out. If you, I'll buy you a beer when I am on = the spot. >>>=20 >>> I would also appreciate it if you have any info to share with me. >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>> Richard >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 93attendees mailing list >>> 93attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 From nobody Tue Jul 14 16:14:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE721B2F6D for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:14:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgBDU4r2Me7L for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B6341B2F4E for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZF9PS-0003RY-60; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:14:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:14:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall In-Reply-To: References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A54CA4.1080404@sunet.se> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: attendees <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. 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" <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:15:07 -0000 At 7:55 PM +0000 7/14/15, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > I take it this is from the Hilton? The laundry service is independent and will pick-up/drop-off anywhere in their service area. See http://www.laundry-express.cz/en > >> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Randall Gellens >> wrote: >> >> I have confirmed with the concierge that there is a local laundry >> service that will pickup and deliver laundry, and charge by the >> kilo: >> > > Pradelna Laundry-express charge per kilos >> >> LAUNDRY DELIVERY >> >> Personal laundry 0,0 - 0,5 kg 290,- >> Personal laundry 0,5 - 2,0 kg 450,- >> Personal laundry 2,0 - 4,0 kg 650,- >> Personal laundry 4,0 - 6,0 kg 800,- >> Personal laundry 6,0 - 8,0 kg 950,- >> >> Costs include washing, ironing (except for shirts - 1pc 20 CZK and >> other complex pieces - dresses, suits etc. based on agreement) and >> delivery service. >> Prices are final. Do not pay VAT. >> >> Laundry pick up and delivery is available daily from 9 am to 7 pm. >> Delivery time depends on guests` needs and frequency of orders. >> >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- >> An old physics joke recounts that Werner Heisenberg (of the uncertainty >> principle) is pulled over by the police for speeding one night. The >> police officer asks the professor, "Do you have any idea how fast you >> were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail > > Attachment converted: TiLand:signature 438.asc ( / ) (0290EF9F) > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- The accessibility, during recovery of small parts which fall from the work bench, varies directly with the size of the part -- and inversely with its importance to the completion of work underway. 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X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:28:20 -0000 For those already on the ground: What's the weather and temperature like ou= tside? What's the temperature like inside? -glenn= From nobody Tue Jul 14 21:08:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EE61B3196 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZhIfNz5s9uPa for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 153F61B3188 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3285; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436933279; x=1438142879; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=9zZQkGS9HKy56x4v6CIPqWrq34UWKZC/rYrPi0J2QNE=; b=ZsYbszwvWBLipSwrAFZzkXI3itLFXodvrWt/6DwefQMK64F+pOhk7kJo drtANs8TfY9g8FvAgyq+vlXUi9xAmg1fDVqZElLtecRrtjZ/Fe2YihBsx Elhv/z9m2Sn9uWh8n4wL8pD6nGbT3EOkx3/AzCIXa1isab2s6rDKbInVK Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BIAwBt3KVV/4QNJK1bgxNUabtbCYFrCoUtSgKBPTgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCQBAQQBAQE3NAsFCwsYCQ8WDwUTNhOILg3PMgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARMEi0yEIxEBUQcYgn+BFAWNHYcbjAoBmHMmghEXgXMeMYENgT4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,477,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="9866610" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2015 04:07:51 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6F47oNC029695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:07:51 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6F47nGn002844; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:07:49 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6F47mCM002842; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:07:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:07:48 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Jari Arkko Message-ID: <20150715040748.GC1862@cisco.com> References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> <1E9C4941-6442-4C2C-834D-B1D8D60AAC58@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1E9C4941-6442-4C2C-834D-B1D8D60AAC58@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: joel jaeggli , chelliot@pobox.com, Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:08:02 -0000 Rolfs web page explain almost nothing more than his email. I wouldn't know any actual broacast packet of interest except for ARP. I am pretty sure he means L2/L3 multicast. Having him say just "rfc919 / broadcast" makes me a bit nervuous about how well the other bits are thought out. As soon as IETF gives access for Rolf to any reasonable protected packets, i would assume IETF is at least partially indemnifying Rolfs org from legal responsibilities and takes on legal responsibilities itself. It would be good to understand what the IETF is really responsible for. I would fear that to be on the safe side, IETF should indemnify itself against the attendees by having them sign "something". I am sure that "something" needs to be better than "rfc919 / broadcast" unless he really only wants to analyze ARP patterns. Didn't IETF have security folks running around for decades telling us to not be insecure because they will be tap'ing our unprotected WiFi traffic and post our passwords ? Whatever happened of those experiments (sorry, can't remember) ? Logically its hilarious discussing legalese when Rolf would only tap what amounts to publically accessible packets, eg: on no- or obvious-password encrypted WiFI accessible in public areas like Hotel lobbies. Of course i am sure with digital laws being what they are, there is going to be difference in him publishing a paper about those packets vs. posting a paper about him observing/counting IETF participants in the public hotel lobby and oh, their observable legal drug consumption patterns. I am actually interested in what the heck the technical details are. Depending on what protocols are of interest, the different ways of how multicast traffic is constrained (IGMP snooping) or L2 unicast converted (vendor specific) makes a lot of difference to what can be observed where. If he can show some really useful stats he would create, i am all for giving him all the access needed as long as we can make sure the IETF indemnifies itself well enough so that it does not have to spend money later on some stupid lawsuit with some disgruntled ITEF participant. But then again, i am using a VPN tunnel for all my traffic anyhow. Cheers Toerless On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:29:28PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: > > > Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of > > this "experiment". Jari has approved it. > > Right. I think it is a useful experiment and I find the privacy safeguards adequate. > And indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via the > IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I reviewed the suggested > safeguards and suggested some changes, and felt that the result was adequate. > > It is possible that there are legal or other standards that would specify in > detail what we can and can not do. I am obviously not a lawyer either. > I don?t mind passing this to someone who understands laws about > human subject research or privacy, of course. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Tue Jul 14 21:16:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55F01B317A for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SjKbEevfb-a2 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96A751B3179 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=615; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1436933774; x=1438143374; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=Mz36YwXfqT8c+i2//O36wPY3WZorVijt3cxfSDcIHBw=; b=Hw2dqi11wpqTVFNb3QirnNI2FKw5MzxeirJY5G7B8x3TN2cETv4+VCjz ZU6ayb3dgZytRV1ld/AgzjagzYYYPR0vYST+DXSDE1dTYluHq39gR8ecI 9WmzlKOhdbI2Nqu2qAL0Jn6aIuoZJhOKQoTz50BPVAFdi9r3vtH+hCGzM A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BIAwBb3aVV/5BdJa1bgxNUabtbCYFrCoUtSgKBPTgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCQBAQQBAQE3NAsQCxgJJQ8FEzYTiC4NzzIBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBItMgSODYweDF4EUBY0dhxuMCgGYcyaEGx4xgksBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,477,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="168717760" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2015 04:16:13 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6F4GD0Q000952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:16:13 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6F4GCr6003323; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:12 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id t6F4G78i003316; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:16:07 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" Message-ID: <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com> References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Any onsite weather reports? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:16:15 -0000 They had a couple of dry days with > 30C, lawns are getting brown & dry. Yesterday was cloudy, 25C, at 9PM a small shower, nicely getting down to 15C, temperatures getting up 25C..30C over the next few days according to forecast, no rain. On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:28:16PM +0000, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > For those already on the ground: What's the weather and temperature like outside? 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([2002:e99:2670:0:451e:d1a7:8f2b:6ab7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o3sm3019966pds.1.2015.07.14.21.38.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Tina TSOU Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:19:29 +0800 Message-Id: References: <559ED170.80109@ifi.uio.no> <20150710070008.101a1cda@envy.fud.no> <185652566.158569.1436547167775.JavaMail.zimbra@isc.org> In-Reply-To: To: Sarah Banks X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Osborn , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>, Tore Anderson , Lisa Lorenzin Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:38:23 -0000 Dear all, If anyone would like to transfer social event tickets, I need two. I can pay= by cash or bank transfer. Do children need tickets? Thank you for your consideration. Thank you, Tina > On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Sarah Banks wrote: >=20 > I've got 1 that I cannot use, and I'm happy to sell it at the prevailing U= SD charge when I arrive in Prague. Unicast me if this works for you. >=20 > thanks > Sarah >=20 >> On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Lisa Lorenzin wr= ote: >>=20 >> +1 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff= Osborn >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:53 PM >> To: Tore Anderson >> Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Anybody has got a spare social event ticket? >>=20 >> I need 2 tickets to the social event as well. How did it sell out so ear= ly? =20 >>=20 >>>> Is there anybody with an extra social event ticket willing to sell? >>>=20 >>> I'm interested in obtaining a ticket to the social event, as well. >>>=20 >>> Tore >> --=20 >> Jeff Osborn >> President >> Internet Systems Consortium >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees From nobody Tue Jul 14 22:08:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A3D1A00C0 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-CHuT9wT-Ex for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636A11A1AA2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (76-218-10-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.10.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6F58Lic030750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:25 -0700 Message-ID: <55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:17 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toerless Eckert , "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Any onsite weather reports? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 05:08:37 -0000 On 7/14/2015 9:16 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > They had a couple of dry days with > 30C, lawns are getting brown & dry. > Yesterday was cloudy, 25C, at 9PM a small shower, nicely getting down to 15C, > temperatures getting up 25C..30C over the next few days according to > forecast, no rain. The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot for a few days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm range during the day and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range at night. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Tue Jul 14 22:31:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609C71A21A6 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FX7sUpDXvYPD for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [72.13.81.186]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F4E1A1EED for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firefly.encrypted.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1E433F71 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at encrypted.net Received: from firefly.encrypted.net ([127.0.0.1]) by firefly.encrypted.net (firefly.encrypted.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eEHXma6QnoUh for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (c-67-164-24-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.164.24.91]) by firefly.encrypted.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89BEF33F3F for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Sarah Banks In-Reply-To: <55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:31:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <746F9636-7B3A-4FE4-BF5A-1789F767F920@encrypted.net> References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com> <55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> To: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: [93attendees] Registration Desk Opens... when? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 05:31:46 -0000 Howdy, Anyone know when the IETF registration desk opens? By open, I = mean such that I could pick up my (paid) registration, social/tshirt = ticket, etc? 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Thread-Index: AdC+jMKRe/cNgvbbTSWrjjvvjlATnQAYuKGAAAHSaID//54qKA== Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:19:18 +0000 Message-ID: <1436941161467.78472@F5.com> References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com>,<55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.15.239] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Any onsite weather reports? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:19:22 -0000 Hmm, I keep forgetting about umbrella. Seems like a requirement there. Tha= nks. =0A= ______________________________________=0A= From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Dave Crocker = =0A= Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:08 PM=0A= To: Toerless Eckert; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)=0A= Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org=0A= Subject: Re: [93attendees] Any onsite weather reports?=0A= =0A= On 7/14/2015 9:16 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:=0A= > They had a couple of dry days with > 30C, lawns are getting brown & dry.= =0A= > Yesterday was cloudy, 25C, at 9PM a small shower, nicely getting down to = 15C,=0A= > temperatures getting up 25C..30C over the next few days according to=0A= > forecast, no rain.=0A= =0A= The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot for a few=0A= days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm range during the day=0A= and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range at night.=0A= =0A= d/=0A= =0A= --=0A= Dave Crocker=0A= Brandenburg InternetWorking=0A= bbiw.net=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= 93attendees mailing list=0A= 93attendees@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees=0A= From nobody Tue Jul 14 23:41:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242FE1A8718 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OuxWpbNpO7qY for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE3B1A8716 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A6D1E59C5; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G7_Gg5pMGFEv; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.24] (c-73-202-53-115.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.202.53.115]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E08B31E52B0; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <746F9636-7B3A-4FE4-BF5A-1789F767F920@encrypted.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:40:58 -0700 Message-Id: References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> <20150715041607.GD1862@cisco.com> <55A5EAC1.4080504@dcrocker.net> <746F9636-7B3A-4FE4-BF5A-1789F767F920@encrypted.net> To: Sarah Banks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Registration Desk Opens... when? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:41:00 -0000 Sarah, Registration opens at 10am on Sunday the 19th. For future reference, we = publish this information on the agenda, found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda.html. Regards, Alexa On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Sarah Banks wrote: > Howdy, > Anyone know when the IETF registration desk opens? By open, I = mean such that I could pick up my (paid) registration, social/tshirt = ticket, etc? >=20 > Thanks > Sarah >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From nobody Wed Jul 15 01:17:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D671A88C7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAKBepI_TcWG for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68AC81A88C4 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.27]) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E52FA3A80E1 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pspacek.brq.redhat.com (pspacek.brq.redhat.com [10.34.128.7]) by int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t6F8HJMQ006555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 04:17:20 -0400 To: 93attendees@ietf.org References: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> From: Petr Spacek X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: Red Hat Message-ID: <55A6170F.8060308@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:17:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18FCD628-50EB-4312-8DDE-A5F4D4A622A7@nbcuni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.27 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [93attendees] Any onsite weather reports? X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:17:33 -0000 On 15.7.2015 01:28, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote: > For those already on the ground: What's the weather and temperature like outside? What's the temperature like inside? Here are links to 'authoritative' weather forecasts by Czech Hydro-meteorological Institute: * Forecast for the next day: http://www.chmu.cz/portal/dt?portal_lang=en&menu=JSPTabContainer/P3_0_Informace_pro_Vas/P3_12_Weather_forecast&last=false * Forecast for the next week: http://www.chmu.cz/portal/dt?portal_lang=en&menu=JSPTabContainer/P3_0_Informace_pro_Vas/P3_13_Weekly_forecast&last=false Beware: CHMI predicts temperatures > 30 C from Friday on. This sometimes results in rainy storms. Alternative model made by Norwegian Meteorological Institute is here: http://www.yr.no/place/Czech_Republic/Prague/Prague/long.html -- Petr Spacek From nobody Wed Jul 15 01:24:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8A91A88ED for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6gcpk6f37E3k for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93DC51A8755 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6F8ODHo030941; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:24:13 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk t6F8ODHo030941 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1436948654; bh=zseFtp9xevMvEWHV+SVVqhcwP2U=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=VdEplkkfgk0iVqiAmhjCma/STSssWShWsFUf9C/5FOFMHNzkj9s1L9huopLzqDE9n D2jfAZC7NZF5LbbZlOfRnIuy2fkjLSLQSV6mscItVALBgSeZf1H8l/seeOVkPqr3rc nAzkFD25nwgtQfty1cVAj0j8VVXgYwQixSj4OFh4= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id r6E9OD3258301668ka ret-id none; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:24:14 +0100 Received: from [10.1.11.13] ([194.82.140.195]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6F8MsV0019970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:22:55 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C3F1E8EC-A553-4F2D-ABA8-ACBCE493053F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <20150715040748.GC1862@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:22:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> <1E9C4941-6442-4C2C-834D-B1D8D60AAC58@piuha.net> <20150715040748.GC1862@cisco.com> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=r6E9OD325830166800; tid=r6E9OD3258301668ka; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=6:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: t6F8ODHo030941 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: joel jaeggli , chelliot@pobox.com, Arkko Jari , Rolf Winter , 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:24:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C3F1E8EC-A553-4F2D-ABA8-ACBCE493053F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I did ask the question offsets, and the answer was yes that multicast is = included. Tim > On 15 Jul 2015, at 05:07, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Rolfs web page explain almost nothing more than his email. I wouldn't > know any actual broacast packet of interest except for ARP. I am > pretty sure he means L2/L3 multicast. Having him say just "rfc919 / = broadcast" > makes me a bit nervuous about how well the other bits are thought out. >=20 > As soon as IETF gives access for Rolf to any reasonable protected = packets, > i would assume IETF is at least partially indemnifying Rolfs org from > legal responsibilities and takes on legal responsibilities itself. >=20 > It would be good to understand what the IETF is really responsible = for. > I would fear that to be on the safe side, IETF should indemnify itself > against the attendees by having them sign "something". I am sure > that "something" needs to be better than "rfc919 / broadcast" unless = he > really only wants to analyze ARP patterns. >=20 > Didn't IETF have security folks running around for decades telling us > to not be insecure because they will be tap'ing our unprotected WiFi > traffic and post our passwords ? Whatever happened of those = experiments > (sorry, can't remember) ? >=20 > Logically its hilarious discussing legalese when Rolf would only tap=20= > what amounts to publically accessible packets, eg: on no- or = obvious-password > encrypted WiFI accessible in public areas like Hotel lobbies. Of = course i > am sure with digital laws being what they are, there is going to be = difference > in him publishing a paper about those packets vs. posting a paper > about him observing/counting IETF participants in the public hotel > lobby and oh, their observable legal drug consumption patterns.=20 >=20 > I am actually interested in what the heck the technical details are. > Depending on what protocols are of interest, the different ways of how > multicast traffic is constrained (IGMP snooping) or L2 unicast = converted=20 > (vendor specific) makes a lot of difference to what can be observed = where. >=20 > If he can show some really useful stats he would create, i am all for = giving > him all the access needed as long as we can make sure the IETF = indemnifies > itself well enough so that it does not have to spend money later on = some stupid > lawsuit with some disgruntled ITEF participant. But then again, i am = using > a VPN tunnel for all my traffic anyhow.=20 >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:29:28PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: >>=20 >>> Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for = approval of >>> this "experiment". Jari has approved it. >>=20 >> Right. I think it is a useful experiment and I find the privacy = safeguards adequate. >> And indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via = the >> IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I reviewed the = suggested >> safeguards and suggested some changes, and felt that the result was = adequate. >>=20 >> It is possible that there are legal or other standards that would = specify in >> detail what we can and can not do. I am obviously not a lawyer = either. >> I don?t mind passing this to someone who understands laws about >> human subject research or privacy, of course. >>=20 >> Jari >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees --Apple-Mail=_C3F1E8EC-A553-4F2D-ABA8-ACBCE493053F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

I did = ask the question offsets, and the answer was yes that multicast is = included.

Tim

On 15 Jul 2015, at 05:07, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Rolfs = web page explain almost nothing more than his email. I wouldn't
know any actual broacast packet of interest except for ARP. I = am
pretty sure he means L2/L3 multicast. Having him say = just "rfc919 / broadcast"
makes me a bit nervuous about = how well the other bits are thought out.

As = soon as IETF gives access for Rolf to any reasonable protected = packets,
i would assume IETF is at least partially = indemnifying Rolfs org from
legal responsibilities and = takes on legal responsibilities itself.

It = would be good to understand what the IETF is really responsible for.
I would fear that to be on the safe side, IETF should = indemnify itself
against the attendees by having them sign = "something". I am sure
that "something" needs to be better = than "rfc919 / broadcast" unless he
really only wants to = analyze ARP patterns.

Didn't IETF have = security folks running around for decades telling us
to = not be insecure because they will be tap'ing our unprotected WiFi
traffic and post our passwords ? Whatever happened of those = experiments
(sorry, can't remember) ?

Logically its hilarious discussing legalese when Rolf would = only tap
what amounts to publically accessible packets, = eg: on no- or obvious-password
encrypted WiFI accessible = in public areas like Hotel lobbies. Of course i
am sure = with digital laws being what they are, there is going to be = difference
in him publishing a paper about those packets = vs. posting a paper
about him observing/counting IETF = participants in the public hotel
lobby and oh, their = observable legal drug consumption patterns.

I am actually interested in what the heck the technical = details are.
Depending on what protocols are of interest, = the different ways of how
multicast traffic is constrained = (IGMP snooping) or L2 unicast converted
(vendor specific) = makes a lot of difference to what can be observed where.
If he can show some really useful stats he would create, i = am all for giving
him all the access needed as long as we = can make sure the IETF indemnifies
itself well enough so = that it does not have to spend money later on some stupid
lawsuit with some disgruntled ITEF participant. But then = again, i am using
a VPN tunnel for all my traffic anyhow. =

Cheers
=    Toerless

On Tue, Jul 14, = 2015 at 07:29:28PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote:

Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for = approval of
this "experiment". Jari has approved it.

Right. I think it is a useful = experiment and I find the privacy safeguards adequate.
And = indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via the
IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I = reviewed the suggested
safeguards and suggested some = changes, and felt that the result was adequate.

It is possible that there are legal or other standards that = would specify in
detail what we can and can not do. I am = obviously not a lawyer either.
I don?t mind passing this = to someone who understands laws about
human subject = research or privacy, of course.

Jari




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= --Apple-Mail=_C3F1E8EC-A553-4F2D-ABA8-ACBCE493053F-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 01:52:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EA11A8930 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcrTnstoLcXs for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [IPv6:2001:638:102:2::217:48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 162941A892B for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7681D6024; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:52:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id GM3eT5J0K_47; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:52:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (nightswatch.informatik.hs-augsburg.de [141.82.79.79]) by fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A8F6C1D6028; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:52:07 +0200 (CEST) To: Toerless Eckert , Jari Arkko References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> <1E9C4941-6442-4C2C-834D-B1D8D60AAC58@piuha.net> <20150715040748.GC1862@cisco.com> From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <55A61F42.7090409@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:52:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150715040748.GC1862@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080003060209060404020607" Archived-At: Cc: joel jaeggli , chelliot@pobox.com, 93attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:52:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080003060209060404020607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, we were sloppy in our description, apologies. Multicast _is_ being collected. Basically everything the NIC receives which is not unicast. But ARP is actually not all that interesting. Most interesting are actually applications using broadcast/multicast messages. Here is a protocol distribution of a previous experiment omitting everything below 7% of the overall broadcast/multicast traffic volume. mDNS (16%), SSDP (15%), LLMNR (13%), NetBIOS (7%) and Dropbox LAN-sync (7%). This clearly depends on the population of your LAN (mostly depending on OS distribution and installed apps). In this particular case, broadcast/multicast traffic peaked at around 1 GB a day, averaging at about 200 MB a day. I hope this answers some of your no-legal questions. Best, Rolf Am 7/15/15 um 6:07 AM schrieb Toerless Eckert: > Rolfs web page explain almost nothing more than his email. I wouldn't > know any actual broacast packet of interest except for ARP. I am > pretty sure he means L2/L3 multicast. Having him say just "rfc919 / broadcast" > makes me a bit nervuous about how well the other bits are thought out. > > As soon as IETF gives access for Rolf to any reasonable protected packets, > i would assume IETF is at least partially indemnifying Rolfs org from > legal responsibilities and takes on legal responsibilities itself. > > It would be good to understand what the IETF is really responsible for. > I would fear that to be on the safe side, IETF should indemnify itself > against the attendees by having them sign "something". I am sure > that "something" needs to be better than "rfc919 / broadcast" unless he > really only wants to analyze ARP patterns. > > Didn't IETF have security folks running around for decades telling us > to not be insecure because they will be tap'ing our unprotected WiFi > traffic and post our passwords ? Whatever happened of those experiments > (sorry, can't remember) ? > > Logically its hilarious discussing legalese when Rolf would only tap > what amounts to publically accessible packets, eg: on no- or obvious-password > encrypted WiFI accessible in public areas like Hotel lobbies. Of course i > am sure with digital laws being what they are, there is going to be difference > in him publishing a paper about those packets vs. posting a paper > about him observing/counting IETF participants in the public hotel > lobby and oh, their observable legal drug consumption patterns. > > I am actually interested in what the heck the technical details are. > Depending on what protocols are of interest, the different ways of how > multicast traffic is constrained (IGMP snooping) or L2 unicast converted > (vendor specific) makes a lot of difference to what can be observed where. > > If he can show some really useful stats he would create, i am all for giving > him all the access needed as long as we can make sure the IETF indemnifies > itself well enough so that it does not have to spend money later on some stupid > lawsuit with some disgruntled ITEF participant. But then again, i am using > a VPN tunnel for all my traffic anyhow. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:29:28PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: >>> Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of >>> this "experiment". Jari has approved it. >> Right. I think it is a useful experiment and I find the privacy safeguards adequate. >> And indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via the >> IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I reviewed the suggested >> safeguards and suggested some changes, and felt that the result was adequate. >> >> It is possible that there are legal or other standards that would specify in >> detail what we can and can not do. I am obviously not a lawyer either. >> I don?t mind passing this to someone who understands laws about >> human subject research or privacy, of course. >> >> Jari >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > --------------080003060209060404020607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

we were sloppy in our description, apologies. Multicast _is_ being collected. Basically everything the NIC receives which is not unicast. But ARP is actually not all that interesting. Most interesting are actually applications using broadcast/multicast messages. Here is a protocol distribution of a previous experiment omitting everything below 7% of the overall broadcast/multicast traffic volume.

mDNS (16%), SSDP (15%), LLMNR (13%), NetBIOS (7%) and Dropbox LAN-sync (7%).

This clearly depends on the population of your LAN (mostly depending on OS distribution and installed apps). In this particular case, broadcast/multicast traffic peaked at around 1 GB a day, averaging at about 200 MB a day.

I hope this answers some of your no-legal questions.

Best,

Rolf



Am 7/15/15 um 6:07 AM schrieb Toerless Eckert:
Rolfs web page explain almost nothing more than his email. I wouldn't
know any actual broacast packet of interest except for ARP. I am
pretty sure he means L2/L3 multicast. Having him say just "rfc919 / broadcast"
makes me a bit nervuous about how well the other bits are thought out.

As soon as IETF gives access for Rolf to any reasonable protected packets,
i would assume IETF is at least partially indemnifying Rolfs org from
legal responsibilities and takes on legal responsibilities itself.

It would be good to understand what the IETF is really responsible for.
I would fear that to be on the safe side, IETF should indemnify itself
against the attendees by having them sign "something". I am sure
that "something" needs to be better than "rfc919 / broadcast" unless he
really only wants to analyze ARP patterns.

Didn't IETF have security folks running around for decades telling us
to not be insecure because they will be tap'ing our unprotected WiFi
traffic and post our passwords ? Whatever happened of those experiments
(sorry, can't remember) ?

Logically its hilarious discussing legalese when Rolf would only tap 
what amounts to publically accessible packets, eg: on no- or obvious-password
encrypted WiFI accessible in public areas like Hotel lobbies. Of course i
am sure with digital laws being what they are, there is going to be difference
in him publishing a paper about those packets vs. posting a paper
about him observing/counting IETF participants in the public hotel
lobby and oh, their observable legal drug consumption patterns. 

I am actually interested in what the heck the technical details are.
Depending on what protocols are of interest, the different ways of how
multicast traffic is constrained (IGMP snooping) or L2 unicast converted 
(vendor specific) makes a lot of difference to what can be observed where.

If he can show some really useful stats he would create, i am all for giving
him all the access needed as long as we can make sure the IETF indemnifies
itself well enough so that it does not have to spend money later on some stupid
lawsuit with some disgruntled ITEF participant. But then again, i am using
a VPN tunnel for all my traffic anyhow. 

Cheers
    Toerless

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:29:28PM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote:


        

          
Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of
this "experiment". Jari has approved it.


        

        
Right. I think it is a useful experiment and I find the privacy safeguards adequate.
And indeed, the main purpose of passing this kind of experiments via the
IETF chair is that I try to catch issues; in this case I reviewed the suggested
safeguards and suggested some changes, and felt that the result was adequate.

It is possible that there are legal or other standards that would specify in
detail what we can and can not do. I am obviously not a lawyer either.
I don?t mind passing this to someone who understands laws about
human subject research or privacy, of course.

Jari



      

      




      

        
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Dear Amy,

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Then I need only two tickets for adults.


Thank you,
Tina

> On Jul 15, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Amy Vezza  wrote:
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> Hi Tina,
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> According to the host=E2=80=99s Web site: children age 10 and under do not=
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>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Sarah Banks  wrote:
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 USD charge when I arrive in Prague. Unicast me if this works for you.
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>>>> I need 2 tickets to the social event as well.  How did it sell out so e=
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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" 
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I think you will find the fact that anyone can collect the data is irreleva=
nt.

And neither is it directly a security or privacy issue.

It is the responsibility of the organisation or person doing the data colle=
ction to ensure they comply with the requirements of data protection. These=
 include the right of individuals affected to ensure the data collected is =
accurate, and also that it is not transferred outside the EU to a regime th=
at does not have equivalent safeguards.

If this was a UK environment, that could also require registration with the=
 data registrar, unless exemptions apply. No idea what the Czech implementa=
tion of the relevant directive is.

But fundamentally, is any of the information you are collecting, before or =
after subsequent processing, something that could be regarded as personal d=
ata? If the answer is no, then data protection will not apply; if the answe=
r is yes, then just telling people you are doing it is certainly not a suff=
icient assessment of your responsibilities.

I assume by the way that the IETF secretariat has done a similar assessment=
 of its responsibilities for any personal data it collects while it is in t=
he EU?

regards

Keith

________________________________
From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric V=
yncke (evyncke)
Sent: 15 July 2015 10:14
To: 93attendees@ietf.org
Cc: Rolf Winter
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
Importance: Low

Like Toerless, I find interesting this discussion when we all know that WiF=
i (unless WPA is used) is 'broadcasted' everywhere.

During some previous IETF meetings, I used https://github.com/evyncke/mcast=
6 for one hour or two to collect aggregated statistics on IPv6 NDP & other =
multicast packets. Obviously, anybody could do it as the WiFi AP are config=
ured in such a way that mcast packets are forwarded

-=E9ric

From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chris Elliott >
Reply-To: "chelliot@pobox.com" >
Date: mardi 14 juillet 2015 18:32
To: Ray Pelletier >
Cc: joel jaeggli >, "chelliot@pob=
ox.com" >, Rolf Winter >, "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees=
@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting



On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier > wrote:
Chris
I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an opinion

This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, or =
in your opinion, intrude on privacy?

I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as the device collecting data=
 will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it should there be any concerns.

Both Jari and I have discussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the level=
 of information I have, I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendees pri=
vacy.

That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the security impli=
cations would probably need to be done by a security guru.

However, note, with or without our permission, any attendee can collect the=
 same information Rolf is collecting.

Chris.

Ray

On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott > wrote:

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli > wrote:
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Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.

Joel,

Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of th=
is "experiment". Jari has approved it.

The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's an=
 issue.

I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if
you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.

 Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the n=
etwork working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap.

Chris.

thanks
joel

On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of
> IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
> another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
> will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second
> data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
> which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
> and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
> collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>
> http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
html
>
>  If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an
> Email.
>
> See you in Prague,
>
> Rolf
>
>
> _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing
> list 93attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

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I think you will f=
ind the fact that anyone can collect the data is irrelevant.<=
/div>

&nbs=
p;


And neither is it =
directly a security or privacy issue.


&nbs=
p;


It is the responsi=
bility of the organisation or person doing the data collection to ensure th=
ey comply with the requirements of data protection. These include the right=
 of individuals affected to ensure the
 data collected is accurate, and also that it is not transferred outside th=
e EU to a regime that does not have equivalent safeguards.

&nbs=
p;


If this was a UK e=
nvironment, that could also require registration with the data registrar, u=
nless exemptions apply. No idea what the Czech implementation of the releva=
nt directive is.


&nbs=
p;


But fundamentally,=
 is any of the information you are collecting, before or after subsequent p=
rocessing, something that could be regarded as personal data? If the a=
nswer is no, then data protection will not
 apply; if the answer is yes, then just telling people you are doing it is =
certainly not a sufficient assessment of your responsibilities.


&nbs=
p;


I assume by the wa=
y that the IETF secretariat has done a similar assessment of its responsibi=
lities for any personal data it collects while it is in the EU?


&nbs=
p;


regards


&nbs=
p;


Keith









From: 93attendees [mailto:93attende=
es-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Eric Vyncke (evyncke)

Sent: 15 July 2015 10:14

To: 93attendees@ietf.org

Cc: Rolf Winter

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting

Importance: Low








Like Toerless, I find interesting this discussion when we all know tha=
t WiFi (unless WPA is used) is 'broadcasted' everywhere. 







During some previous IETF meetings, I used https://github.com/evyncke/mcast6 for one =
hour or two to collect aggregated statistics on IPv6 NDP & other multic=
ast packets. Obviously, anybody could do it as the
 WiFi AP are configured in such a way that mcast packets are forwarded






-=E9ric









From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on=
 behalf of Chris Elliott <chelliot=
@pobox.com>

Reply-To: "chelliot@pobox.com" <chelliot@pobox.com>

Date: mardi 14 juillet 2015 18:32<=
br>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>

Cc: joel jaeggli <joelja@gmail.com>, "chelliot@pobox.com" <chelliot@pobox.com>, Rolf Winter <rolf.winter@hs-augsburg.de>,
 "93attendees@ietf.org&quo=
t; <93attendees@ietf.org>=


Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network=
 experiment during the meeting

















On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:








Chris


I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an op=
inion 







This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact oper=
ations, or in your opinion, intrude on privacy?  













I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as the device collecting=
 data will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it should there be any conc=
erns.







Both Jari and I have discussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the =
level of information I have, I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendee=
s privacy.







That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the security =
implications would probably need to be done by a security guru.







However, note, with or without our permission, any attendee can collec=
t the same information Rolf is collecting.







Chris.


 






Ray




On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> wrote:














On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli <=
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<joelja@gmail.com> wrote:



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Typically experiments involving the production network run past the

network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.









Joel,







Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval =
of this "experiment". Jari has approved it.







The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there=
's an issue.


 



I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if

you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.









 Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to=
 get the network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap=
.







Chris.


 



thanks

joel






On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF

> wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over

> the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of
> IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on

> another large wireless campus network with interesting results and

> will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second
> data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics

> which will not reveal data about individual users of the network

> and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we

> collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:

>

> 
http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.

html

>

>  If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me a=
n

> Email.

>

> See you in Prague,

>

> Rolf

>

>

> _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing
> list 
93attendees@ietf.org

> 
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees







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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:14:22AM +0000, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:
> Like Toerless, I find interesting this discussion when we all know that WiFi (unless WPA is used) is 'broadcasted' everywhere.
> 
> During some previous IETF meetings, I used https://github.com/evyncke/mcast6 for one hour or two to collect aggregated statistics on IPv6 NDP & other multicast packets. Obviously, anybody could do it as the WiFi AP are configured in such a way that mcast packets are forwarded

	This is why I see it as a non-issue, the data is broadcasted and
nobody is compelled to utilize the IETF network or bring an electronic
device to attend the meeting.

	By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems
that opting-in to share your data has occured.  Some people may want
a form of explicit consent or other details, but I've been to this
rodeo before and expect people to snoop on me in a public forum
and take this into account.

	It's super easy to ID people regardless by DNS or VPN
type traffic.  Someone connecting to puck.nether.net via SSH is
going to be a short list.  Same goes for hitting up $employer VPN
endpoint/allocated IP space.

	- Jared


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Hi,

Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
Want to avoid them.

Thanks
Vinayak


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Hi,

The following company offers shared shuttles and private transports:

http://www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/

The price for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, abou=
t 20 EUR, per car. When you book, you can chose whether you'll pay to the d=
river, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

According to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi=
-Fi in the cars (I could not find any information about whether it's IPv6, =
though :)

Regards,

Christer

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert=
 Moskowitz
Sent: 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07
To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush
Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague


On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque > wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush > wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take a
metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have mention=
ed). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a =
price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If tru=
e, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.

    http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/

Shumon Huque.


Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km=
 ...

And how far is it?

I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' =
through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS s=
ystems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route.  =
Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my fl=
ight.


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Hi,


 <=
/p>

The follow=
ing company offers shared shuttles and private transports:


 =
;


http://www=
.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/


 =
;


The price =
for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, about 20 EUR, =
per car. When you book, you can chose whether you’ll pay to
 the driver, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

 =
;


According =
to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi-Fi in the=
 cars (I could not find any information about whether it’s
 IPv6, though :)


 =
;


Regards,


 =
;


Christer


 =
;






From:=
 93attendees [mailto=
:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz

Sent: 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07

To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush

Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague






 


=
 




On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:












On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>=
; wrote:








On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:=



> On 07/13/2015 07=
:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charg=
ed to

>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usual=
ly earns

>>> Hilton points.

>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to 
taxi.prague@hilton.com with your

>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airp=
ort for 900 CZK or US

>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.=


>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.

>

> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???



hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take =
a

metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing=
'

exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.




 






You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the comp=
any others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prag=
ue, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today'=
s exchange rate. If true, that's less
 than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.






 







 






Shumon Huque.






 












 






Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine p=
rint about 19,90 CZK/km ...










And how far is it?



I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' =
through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their =
GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of
 other taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a =
lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight.










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To: Vinayak Hegde , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
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Hi,

These have good exchange rates (always look also for commission not just the rate):

http://czech-exchange.cz/en/
http://www.exchange.cz/  - no English page here
(https://www.google.cz/maps/place/EXCHANGE+s.r.o./@50.08803,14.418815,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xcd5190f6e091a879?hl=cs)

The rates at the airport or at the hotels too (I assume, never tried there) are always
the worst you can ever get ...

Jan



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Subject: [93attendees] Good place to Exchange Euros for Czech Koruna

Hi,

Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
Want to avoid them.

Thanks
Vinayak

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Travelex at the airport even officially wrote down on the receipt a markup
of > 10% exchanging USD to CZK, so be aware.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:43:57PM +0000, Jan Novak wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> These have good exchange rates (always look also for commission not just the rate):
> 
> http://czech-exchange.cz/en/
> http://www.exchange.cz/  - no English page here
> (https://www.google.cz/maps/place/EXCHANGE+s.r.o./@50.08803,14.418815,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xcd5190f6e091a879?hl=cs)
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> The rates at the airport or at the hotels too (I assume, never tried there) are always
> the worst you can ever get ...
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> Jan
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> Hi,
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> Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> Want to avoid them.
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...and, you can also book a lap dance if you want :)

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christ=
er Holmberg
Sent: 15. hein=E4kuuta 2015 15:41
To: Robert Moskowitz; shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague

Hi,

The following company offers shared shuttles and private transports:

http://www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/

The price for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, abou=
t 20 EUR, per car. When you book, you can chose whether you'll pay to the d=
river, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

According to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi=
-Fi in the cars (I could not find any information about whether it's IPv6, =
though :)

Regards,

Christer

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 Moskowitz
Sent: 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07
To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush
Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague


On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque > wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush > wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take a
metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have mention=
ed). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a =
price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If tru=
e, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.

    http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/

Shumon Huque.


Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km=
 ...

And how far is it?

I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' =
through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS s=
ystems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route.  =
Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my fl=
ight.

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...and, yo=
u can also book a lap dance if you want :)


 =
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From:=
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:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg

Sent: 15. hein=E4kuuta 2015 15:41

To: Robert Moskowitz; shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush

Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague






 


Hi,


 <=
/p>

The follow=
ing company offers shared shuttles and private transports:


 =
;


http://www.prague-airport-tran=
sfers.co.uk/


 =
;


The price =
for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, about 20 EUR, =
per car. When you book, you can chose whether you’ll pay to
 the driver, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

 =
;


According =
to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi-Fi in the=
 cars (I could not find any information about whether it’s
 IPv6, though :)


 =
;


Regards,


 =
;


Christer


 =
;






From:=
 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.o=
rg]
On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz

Sent: 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07

To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy =
Bush

Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague






 


=
 




On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:












On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>=
; wrote:








On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:=



> On 07/13/2015 07=
:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charg=
ed to

>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usual=
ly earns

>>> Hilton points.

>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to 
taxi.prague@hilton.com with your

>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airp=
ort for 900 CZK or US

>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.=


>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.

>

> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???



hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take =
a

metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing=
'

exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.




 






You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the comp=
any others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prag=
ue, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today'=
s exchange rate. If true, that's less
 than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.






 







 






Shumon Huque.






 












 






Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine p=
rint about 19,90 CZK/km ...










And how far is it?



I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' =
through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their =
GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of
 other taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a =
lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight.






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Vinayak, All,

W dniu 2015-07-15 o 14:22, Vinayak Hegde pisze:
> Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> Want to avoid them.

I always used  when in Prague. 20 
minutes by foot (ca. 1 mile) from Hilton or Intercontinental.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
-- 
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

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I am happy to see this pannel happening at this IETF, and the free lunch.=


But it's not cool to announce this in the evening of a particular day=20
busy watching fireworks.

Now it's full :-(

Yours,

Alex

Le 14/07/2015 18:33, Matthew Ford a =C3=A9crit :
> Hello -
>
> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF =
93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained=
 Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D
>
> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to=
 attend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org=
/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the =
registration link.
>
> Lunch will be provided for attendees.
>
> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration =
is required for the webcast.
>
> ----------
> SESSION ABSTRACT
>
> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile de=
vices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many=
 application developers live and work with much faster computing platform=
s and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to =
accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient cond=
ition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design =
systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?
>
> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next bil=
lion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acc=
ess to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more oft=
en. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - wh=
ether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface b=
etween the two?
>
> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand=
 the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the ch=
allenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:=

>
> 	=E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal and con=
nectivity diversity
> 	=E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
> 	=E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
> 	=E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data a=
nd the technical responses to date
> 	=E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management interact
>
> Moderator:
> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society
>
> Panelists:
> Ted Hardie, independent
> Blake Matheny, Facebook
> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson
>
> ----------
> PANEL DETAILS
>
> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
> Venue: Hilton Prague
> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)
>
> We hope you can join us!
> _______________________________________________
> 93attendees mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees


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    I am happy to see this pannel happening at=

      this IETF, and the free lunch.

      

      But it's not cool to announce this in the evening of a particular
      day busy watching fireworks.

      

      Now it's full :-(

      

      Yours,

      

      Alex

      

    
    
Le 14/07/2015 18:33, Matthew Ford a
      =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

    

    

      
Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93=
: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained R=
adio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to a=
ttend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel=
-ietf-93 for session information and the registration link.

Lunch will be provided for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is=
 required for the webcast.

----------
SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile devi=
ces capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many a=
pplication developers live and work with much faster computing platforms =
and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to ac=
commodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condit=
ion of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design sy=
stems to better cope with connectivity diversity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billi=
on users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acces=
s to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often=
=2E What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - wh=
ether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface b=
etween the two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand t=
he diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the chal=
lenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

	=E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal and conne=
ctivity diversity
	=E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
	=E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
	=E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data and=
 the technical responses to date
	=E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management interact

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

----------
PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!
_______________________________________________
93attendees mailing list
93attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees


    

    

  


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Worse - even if it said July 9th, that day was before July 10th, which=20
was the deadline for early-bird registration at IETF.

It is always best to register for IETF at the last moment for various=20
last moment decisions.

Ideally, they should have announced the Panel registration _after_ the=20
IETF early-bird deadline.

Yours,

Alex Petrescu

Le 14/07/2015 21:36, Joseph Lorenzo Hall a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi, the page you point to says:
>
> "On 9 July, registration for IETF attendees to attend in person opens
> in two batches at 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC for global time zone
> fairness."
>
> But 9 July was 5 days ago. Would love to attend if I can figure out how=
=2E..
>
> best, Joe
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Ford  wrote:
>> Hello -
>>
>> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF=
 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constraine=
d Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D
>>
>> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required t=
o attend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.or=
g/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the=
 registration link. Lunch will be provided for attendees.
>>
>> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration=
 is required for the webcast.
>>
>> ----------
>> SESSION ABSTRACT
>>
>> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile d=
evices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But man=
y application developers live and work with much faster computing platfor=
ms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to=
 accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient con=
dition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design=
 systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?
>>
>> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next bi=
llion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with ac=
cess to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more of=
ten. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - w=
hether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface =
between the two?
>>
>> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understan=
d the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the c=
hallenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including=
:
>>
>>          =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with termina=
l and connectivity diversity
>>          =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
>>          =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
>>          =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from t=
he data and the technical responses to date
>>          =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management in=
teract
>>
>> Moderator:
>> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society
>>
>> Panelists:
>> Ted Hardie, independent
>> Blake Matheny, Facebook
>> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson
>>
>> ----------
>> PANEL DETAILS
>>
>> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
>> Venue: Hilton Prague
>> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)
>>
>> We hope you can join us!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 93attendees mailing list
>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>
>


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    Worse - even if it said July 9th, that day=

      was before July 10th, which was the deadline for early-bird
      registration at IETF.

      

      It is always best to register for IETF at the last moment for
      various last moment decisions.

      

      Ideally, they should have announced the Panel registration _after_
      the IETF early-bird deadline.

      

      Yours,

      

      Alex Petrescu

      

    
    
Le 14/07/2015 21:36, Joseph Lorenzo
      Hall a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

    

    

      
Hi, the page you point to says:

"On 9 July, registration for IETF attendees to attend in person opens
in two batches at 09:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC for global time zone
fairness."

But 9 July was 5 days ago. Would love to attend if I can figure out how..=
=2E

best, Joe

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Ford <ford@isoc.org> wrote:


      

        
Hello -

We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93=
: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained R=
adio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D

Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to a=
ttend the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel=
-ietf-93 for session information and the registration link. Lunch wil=
l be provided for attendees.

The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is=
 required for the webcast.

----------
SESSION ABSTRACT

In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile devi=
ces capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many a=
pplication developers live and work with much faster computing platforms =
and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to ac=
commodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condit=
ion of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design sy=
stems to better cope with connectivity diversity?

Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billi=
on users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acces=
s to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often=
=2E What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - wh=
ether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface b=
etween the two?

In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand t=
he diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the chal=
lenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:

        =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal an=
d connectivity diversity
        =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
        =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
        =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the d=
ata and the technical responses to date
        =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management intera=
ct

Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society

Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson

----------
PANEL DETAILS

Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)

We hope you can join us!


_______________________________________________
93attendees mailing list
93attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees


      

      




    

    

  


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Hi,

> On 15 Jul 2015, at 13:52, Alexandre PETRESCU =
 wrote:
>=20
> I am happy to see this pannel happening at this IETF, and the free =
lunch.
>=20
> But it's not cool to announce this in the evening of a particular day =
busy watching fireworks.
>=20

Actually, it was first announced on July 9th over at ietf@ietf.org. And =
we deliberately open the registration in two batches to try to be =
somewhat fair to people in different timezones.

I posted the announcement here as there were still some places left and =
wanted to make sure I wasn't repeating myself to people who weren=E2=80=99=
t going to be in Prague anyway.

> Now it's full :-(

That=E2=80=99s true. However, if you don=E2=80=99t require a free lunch, =
there will very probably be seats available. The briefing panel will =
also be webcast and a recording will be made available on the event =
webpage afterwards.

Thanks,
Mat

>=20
> Yours,
>=20
> Alex
>=20
> Le 14/07/2015 18:33, Matthew Ford a =C3=A9crit :
>> Hello -
>>=20
>> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at =
IETF 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for =
Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D
>>=20
>> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required =
to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See=20
>> =
https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93
>>  for session information and the registration link.
>>=20
>> Lunch will be provided for attendees.
>>=20
>> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No =
registration is required for the webcast.
>>=20
>> ----------
>> SESSION ABSTRACT
>>=20
>> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile =
devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But =
many application developers live and work with much faster computing =
platforms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to =
change to accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a =
transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect =
and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?
>>=20
>> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next =
billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with =
access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more =
often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like =
- whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the =
interface between the two?
>>=20
>> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better =
understand the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and =
discuss the challenges and responses to these modes of Internet =
connectivity including:
>>=20
>> 	=E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal =
and connectivity diversity
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
>> 	=E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the =
data and the technical responses to date
>> 	=E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management =
interact
>>=20
>> Moderator:
>> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society
>>=20
>> Panelists:
>> Ted Hardie, independent
>> Blake Matheny, Facebook
>> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson
>>=20
>> ----------
>> PANEL DETAILS
>>=20
>> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
>> Venue: Hilton Prague
>> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)
>>=20
>> We hope you can join us!
>> _______________________________________________
>> 93attendees mailing list
>>=20
>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

Le 15/07/2015 15:00, Matthew Ford a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi,
>
>> On 15 Jul 2015, at 13:52, Alexandre PETRESCU  wrote:
>>
>> I am happy to see this pannel happening at this IETF, and the free lun=
ch.
>>
>> But it's not cool to announce this in the evening of a particular day =
busy watching fireworks.
>>
> Actually, it was first announced on July 9th over at ietf@ietf.org. And=
 we deliberately open the registration in two batches to try to be somewh=
at fair to people in different timezones.


The two-batches step is good to accommodate more people, right.

But announcing it at ietf@ietf.org may make little sense because only a=20
small fraction of the participants to ietf@ietf.org come to Prague.

And 9th of July is before 10th of July, time during which many people=20
still think whether or not to participate to Prague.

>
> I posted the announcement here as there were still some places left and=
 wanted to make sure I wasn't repeating myself to people who weren=E2=80=99=
t going to be in Prague anyway.

Right.

>
>> Now it's full :-(
> That=E2=80=99s true. However, if you don=E2=80=99t require a free lunch=
, there will very probably be seats available. The briefing panel will al=
so be webcast and a recording will be made available on the event webpage=
 afterwards.

Please send me such a seat, without a free  lunch.   There's no free=20
lunch anyways, as they say :-)

Yours,

Alex Petrescu

>
> Thanks,
> Mat
>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 14/07/2015 18:33, Matthew Ford a =C3=A9crit :
>>> Hello -
>>>
>>> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IET=
F 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrain=
ed Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D
>>>
>>> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required =
to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-=
93
>>>   for session information and the registration link.
>>>
>>> Lunch will be provided for attendees.
>>>
>>> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registratio=
n is required for the webcast.
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> SESSION ABSTRACT
>>>
>>> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile =
devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But ma=
ny application developers live and work with much faster computing platfo=
rms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change t=
o accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient co=
ndition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-desig=
n systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?
>>>
>>> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next b=
illion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with a=
ccess to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more o=
ften. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - =
whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the interface=
 between the two?
>>>
>>> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understa=
nd the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the =
challenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity includin=
g:
>>>
>>> 	=E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal and c=
onnectivity diversity
>>> 	=E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
>>> 	=E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
>>> 	=E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data=
 and the technical responses to date
>>> 	=E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management interact
>>>
>>> Moderator:
>>> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society
>>>
>>> Panelists:
>>> Ted Hardie, independent
>>> Blake Matheny, Facebook
>>> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> PANEL DETAILS
>>>
>>> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
>>> Venue: Hilton Prague
>>> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)
>>>
>>> We hope you can join us!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 93attendees mailing list
>>>
>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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On 7/15/2015 5:15 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems
> that opting-in to share your data has occured.


That's a reasonable view.  The problem is that so are other, competing
views.

If the world were subject to your preferences, your view would hold
sway.  However in this world, some of those competing views are likely
to have professional and/or legal force.


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The IETF is idemnifying everything participants say already via the note well,
i don't understand why they wouldn't want to do it for the use of the IETF network.

Network note well:
  IETF will observe all traffic on the IETF network. Whatever you send/receive 
  on that network is not your traffic but owned by IETF. IETF will do its best
  to get as much research and commercial value out of you using the IETF network
  as IETF sees fit.

I just hate captive portals, otherwise i'd recommend for the IETF net to have
one with the above disclaimer before one can connect.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:39:42AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 5:15 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> > By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems
> > that opting-in to share your data has occured.
> 
> 
> That's a reasonable view.  The problem is that so are other, competing
> views.
> 
> If the world were subject to your preferences, your view would hold
> sway.  However in this world, some of those competing views are likely
> to have professional and/or legal force.
> 
> 
> d/
> -- 
> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
> bbiw.net
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:39:42AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 5:15 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> > By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems
> > that opting-in to share your data has occured.
> 
> 
> That's a reasonable view.  The problem is that so are other, competing
> views.
> 
> If the world were subject to your preferences, your view would hold
> sway.  However in this world, some of those competing views are likely
> to have professional and/or legal force.

	I'm not saying there may be regulatory regimes where the legal
situation may be different than what I outlined above, but the easiest
way to not be part of this is to opt out by not using the IETF
network.  Seems like a fairly affirmative way.  It's interesting how
IETF went from being engineering based to lawyer based.

	The adage about how many people it takes to build something
vs tear it down seems like it may be applicable here and private
*constructive* input to the parties involved would have a positive
response.

	My experience is the people who gripe the loudest tend to be
ones that didn't investigate the device behaviors earlier.

	I've looked at traffic that my machines receive at these
networks as part of troubleshooting and a fair amount is revealed
in the DHCP request, including company names, usernames, etc..

	On a mac/apple device to help some of this leakge go into:

	1) itunes, set your library name to something generic like "my music"
	2) system preferences -> sharing -> computer name -> my computer
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> On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz  w=
rote:
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>> On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque  wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:
>>>> > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>> >>> Note that this is the hotel's                           taxi servic=
e, which can be charged to
>>>> >>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>>> >>> Hilton points.
>>>> >>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with you=
r
>>>> >>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or=
 US
>>>> >>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>>>> >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>>>> >> to town.
>>>> >
>>>> > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???
>>>>=20
>>>> hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take a=

>>>> metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'=

>>>> exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.
>>>=20
>>> You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have ment=
ioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a=
 price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If tru=
e, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.
>>>=20
>>>     http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/
>>>=20
>>> Shumon Huque.
>>=20
>> Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/=
km ...
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> And how far is it?
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> I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut'=
 through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.=20

There was a marathon taking place when I left after the last meeting and roa=
ds were closed off.  You may have had similar timing.

Best regards,
Kathleen=20

> He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS sys=
tems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did=
 get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight=
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On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque
      wrote:

    

    

      

        

          
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM,
            Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>
            wrote:

            

              

                

                  
On Mon, Jul
                      13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
                      wrote:

                      
>
                          On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

                          >>> Note that this is the hotel's
                          taxi service, which can be charged to

                          >>> your room folio.  Depending on
                          how it's coded, this usually earns

                          >>> Hilton points.

                          >>>>   Folks, you can send an
                          e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com
                          with your

                          >>>>   flight info and they will
                          meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US

                          >>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it
                          if you have luggage.

                          >> it takes considerable effort to find
                          a higher priced way to get

                          >> to town.

                          >

                          > Meaning, there are a number of lower
                          priced ways???

                          

                        hotel taxis are expensive, often the most
                        expensive, transport.  take a

                        metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off
                        drivers in the 'sharing'

                        exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

                        

                          

                      


                      

                    
                    
You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the
                      company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav
                      Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me
                      a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at
                      today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than
                      1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.

                    


                    

                    
                    
                        


                        

                        
Shumon Huque.

                        


                        

                      

                

              

            

          

          

        

        
Although, I just noticed, there is
          additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

      

    

    

    And how far is it?

    

    I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the
    'short cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop
    was totally backed up.  

There was a marathon taking place when I left after the last meeting and roads were closed off.  You may have had similar timing.

Best regards,
Kathleen 

He claimed that all the taxis had this route
    programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other
    taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a lot
    of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight.

    

    

  


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For those already onsite in the venue, how intense is the air conditioning =
in the meeting rooms?

> On Jul 15, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Petr Spacek  wrote:
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> On 15.7.2015 01:28, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) wrote:
>> For those already on the ground: What's the weather and temperature like=
 outside?  What's the temperature like inside?
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> Here are links to 'authoritative' weather forecasts
> by Czech Hydro-meteorological Institute:
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> * Forecast for the next day:
> http://www.chmu.cz/portal/dt?portal_lang=3Den&menu=3DJSPTabContainer/P3_0=
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> http://www.chmu.cz/portal/dt?portal_lang=3Den&menu=3DJSPTabContainer/P3_0=
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> Beware:
> CHMI predicts temperatures > 30 =B0C from Friday on.
> This sometimes results in rainy storms.
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> Alternative model made by Norwegian Meteorological Institute is here:
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On what basis does the Note Well constitute a guarantee of
indemnification for anyone.

And by the way, who do you believe is being indemnified by the IETF?

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I've always found ATM's to be a place to get a good exchange rate.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Banks have access to the best exchange rates.=C2=A0 ATM charges a fixed=
 fee, and your card fee is known ahead of time.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 So for example, ATM fee ~$2, and card issuer fee between 1.0 to 3.0% de=
pending on your issuer. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Compare this to a=C2=A0 typical 10% ai=
rport exchange cost.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If going this way, you should =
tell your bank ahead of time of your travel plans, else you may set off the=
 automatic security flag and accidentally get your card shut off.=20


     On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:48 AM, Piotr Wydrych  wrote:
  =20

 Vinayak, All,

W dniu 2015-07-15 o 14:22, Vinayak Hegde pisze:
> Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> Want to avoid them.

I always used  when in Prague. 20=20
minutes by foot (ca. 1 mile) from Hilton or Intercontinental.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

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I've always found ATM's to be a p=
lace to get a good exchange rate.   Banks have access to the best=
 exchange rates.  ATM charges a fixed fee, and your card fee is known =
ahead of time.      So for example, ATM fee ~$2, a=
nd card issuer fee between 1.0 to 3.0% depending on your issuer.  &nbs=
p; Compare this to a  typical 10% airport exchange cost.  &n=
bsp;  If going this way, you should tell your bank ahead of time of yo=
ur travel plans, else you may set off the automatic security flag and accid=
entally get your card shut off.
  


  
 
  On Wedn=
esday, July 15, 2015 7:48 AM, Piotr Wydrych <piotr.wydrych@agh.edu.pl>=
; wrote:
  
  

 
Vinaya=
k, All,

W dniu 2015-07-15 o 14:22, Vin=
ayak Hegde pisze:
> Any recommendations of places for =
exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> near the Airport, =
Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> p=
laces near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> Want to avoid them.

I =
always used <http://eurochange.cz/kudy-k-nam/> when in Prague.=
 20 
minutes by foot (ca. 1 mile) from Hilton or Intercon=
tinental.

Best,
Piot=
r 'GhosT' Wydrych
-- 
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rych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read=
 text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?


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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:44:38AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 6:58 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > The IETF is idemnifying everything participants say already via the note well,
> 
> On what basis does the Note Well constitute a guarantee of
> indemnification for anyone.

> And by the way, who do you believe is being indemnified by the IETF?

I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF
and its participants against lawsuits claiming infringing on trade secret
or claims of novelty for things mentioned in public at the IETF.

> (In case there is confusion about the term:
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indemnify)

Sure, i am not a native, let me know if i am misunderstanding it.

Cheers
    Toerless

> d/
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>>>
I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF
and its participants against lawsuits claiming infringing on trade secret
or claims of novelty for things mentioned in public at the IETF.
>>>
There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it references) about
indemnification.

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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:
> >>>
> I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF
> and its participants against lawsuits claiming infringing on trade secret
> or claims of novelty for things mentioned in public at the IETF.
> >>>
> There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it references) about
> indemnification.

Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does it, and
why it has attendees accept it. 

s/idemnify/protect/ ?

Cheers
   Toerless


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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Toerless Eckert  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:
> > >>>
> > I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF
> > and its participants against lawsuits claiming infringing on trade secret
> > or claims of novelty for things mentioned in public at the IETF.
> > >>>
> > There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it references) about
> > indemnification.
>
> Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does it, and
> why it has attendees accept it.
>
> s/idemnify/protect/ ?
>
No.
to protect (someone) *by promising to pay for the cost...*

Cheers.

>
> Cheers
>    Toerless
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Toerless Eckert <=
eckert@cisco.com&=
gt; wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015=
 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:

> >>>

> I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF
> and its participants against lawsuits claiming infringing on trade sec=
ret

> or claims of novelty for things mentioned in public at the IETF.

> >>>

> There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it referen=
ces) about

> indemnification.



Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does it, and

why it has attendees accept it.



s/idemnify/protect/ ?
No.
to protect (someone) by promising to pay for the=
 cost...=C2=A0=
=C2=A0

Cheers.



Cheers

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless





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On Wednesday, July 15, 2015, Toerless Eckert  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:
>
> > There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it references) about
> > indemnification.
>
> Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does it, and
> why it has attendees accept it.
>
> s/idemnify/protect/ ?
>
>
Speaking only as an individual, with my personal understanding, and
foremost noting that I am not a lawyer:

The "Note Well" statement tells participants that what they publicly say,
write, sing and dance, etc in an IETF venue is considered a contribution to
the IETF. This has some legal implications, including that the IETF has the
right to publish those contributions. This is very much about copyrights,
licensing, etc. The Note Well does not make any statements about
indemnification.

Whether the meaning of the Note Well and it's implications are beneficial
or detrimental to any particular person or organization is an exercise left
up to the individuals that contribute and/or make use of contributions. In
my view, that very much depends on the specific circumstances. The IETF
rules certainly don't take the place of IPR law, legal disputes, and all of
that. That being said, if we are all "playing fair" with each other then it
should encourage collaboration.

Finally, as is typical in these kinds of things, it is often prudent to
check with legal counsel if one has questions. Of course, the process of
"checking with legal" is usually fraught with its own costs (financial and
otherwise) and is therefore a choice best made by the individuals involved.
:)

Cheers,
-Benson

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On Wednesday, July 15, 2015, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:

> There is *nothing* in the Note Well (nor in the RFCs it references) ab=
out

> indemnification.



Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does it, and

why it has attendees accept it.



s/idemnify/protect/ ?




Speaking only as an individual, with my persona=
l understanding, and foremost=C2=A0noting that I am not a lawyer:

<=
/div>
The "Note Well" statement tells participants that what=
=C2=A0they publicly=C2=A0say, write, sing and dance,=C2=A0etc in an IETF ve=
nue=C2=A0is considered a contribution to the IETF. This has some legal impl=
ications, including that the IETF has the right to=C2=A0publish those contr=
ibutions. This is very much about copyrights, licensing, etc.=C2=A0The Note=
 Well does not make any statements about indemnification.=C2=A0
<=
br>
Whether the meaning of the Note Well=C2=A0and it's=C2=A0i=
mplications are=C2=A0beneficial or detrimental to any particular person or =
organization is an exercise left up to the individuals that contribute and/=
or make use of contributions. In my view, that very much depends on the spe=
cific circumstances. The IETF rules certainly don't take the place of I=
PR law, legal disputes, and all of that. That being said, if we are all &qu=
ot;playing fair" with each other then it should encourage collaboratio=
n.=C2=A0

Finally, as is typical in these kinds of =
things, it is often prudent to check with legal counsel if one has question=
s. Of course, the process of "checking with legal" is usually fra=
ught with its own costs (financial and otherwise) and is therefore a choice=
 best made by the=C2=A0individuals involved. :)

Cheers,
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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" 
To: Toerless Eckert , Stephen Botzko 
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And even if the IETF note well did cover such a thing, in general it could =
not indemnify an individual or person in breaking the law, but only become =
complicit is said illegal act.=20

If we are talking about the handling of personal data, then the Czech autho=
rities have put all the information together in English here:

https://www.uoou.cz/en/vismo/zobraz_dok.asp?id_org=3D200156&id_ktg=3D1107

>From the brief perusal I have done, it appears to mirror similar laws in ot=
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Regards

Keith

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> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote:
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> > I think the note well is trying to do its best to idemnify the IETF=20
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> > about indemnification.
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> Sure, but the note well does not explain why the IETF does=20
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Hello,

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Just my person=C3=A1l suggestion for taxi users. I am local person =
travelling time to time to-from Prague Airport and living close to =
Hilton hotel area.

Sorry also for =E2=80=9Eduplicity=E2=80=9C info.

=20

Airport =E2=80=93 Prague. Use AAA taxi. Go first to AAA kiosk located at =
arrival halls (both are at terminal 1 also terminal 2). Ask for discount =
or fixed price.

Airport-Hilton price with discount should be 500-700Kc no more. Depends =
traffic.=20

=20

On way back Hilton-Airport. You can use same company AAA with special =
discount 40-47%. Coupon should be available dtto airport kiosk or at =
driver or download and print from:

Section =E2=80=93 discount.

=20

http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/prices/

=20

Discount is working ONLY if you order taxi via phone call order with =
mention =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9EI have this airport coupon=E2=80=9C. Maybe =
local people at hotel could help (avoid not to pay extra money for your  =
roaming cost).

Hilton-Airport price with this coupon should be 350-450Kc

=20

BR

Tomas

=20

Ps: looks that next week will be very hot weather Prague,central europe. =
+30 and dry,sun=E2=80=A6. Be ready for that. And sure =E2=80=93 enjoy =
conference and happy stay at Prague!

=20

=20

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Kathleen Moriarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:28 PM
To: Robert Moskowitz
Cc: Randy Bush; shuque@gmail.com; Randall Gellens; attendees
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague

=20



Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz  =
wrote:

=20

On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque  wrote:

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:

> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or =
US
>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take a
metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

=20

You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have =
mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it =
quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's =
exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate =
mentioned earlier.

=20

    http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/

=20

Shumon Huque.

=20

=20

Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 =
CZK/km ...


And how far is it?

I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short =
cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally =
backed up. =20

=20

There was a marathon taking place when I left after the last meeting and =
roads were closed off.  You may have had similar timing.

=20

Best regards,

Kathleen=20





He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS =
systems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this =
route.  Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did =
make my flight.



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Hello,
 
Just my person=C3=A1l suggestion for taxi users. I am local person =
travelling time to time to-from Prague Airport and living close to =
Hilton hotel area.
Sorry also for =E2=80=9Eduplicity=E2=80=9C =
info.
 
Airport =E2=80=93 Prague. Use AAA taxi. Go first to AAA kiosk located =
at arrival halls (both are at terminal 1 also terminal 2). Ask for =
discount or fixed price.
Airport-Hilton price with discount should be 500-700Kc no more. =
Depends traffic. 
 
On way back Hilton-Airport. You can use same company AAA with special =
discount 40-47%. Coupon should be available dtto airport kiosk or at =
driver or download and print from:
Section =E2=80=93 discount.
 
http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/prices=
/
 
Discount is working ONLY if you order taxi via phone call order with =
mention =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9EI have this airport coupon=E2=80=9C. Maybe =
local people at hotel could help (avoid not to pay extra money for your =
=C2=A0roaming cost).
Hilton-Airport price with this coupon should be =
350-450Kc
 
BR
Tomas
 
Ps: looks that next week will be very hot weather Prague,central =
europe. +30 and dry,sun=E2=80=A6. Be ready for that. And sure =E2=80=93 =
enjoy conference and happy stay at Prague!
 
 
From:=
 =
93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Kathleen Moriarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:28 =
PM
To: Robert Moskowitz
Cc: Randy Bush; =
shuque@gmail.com; Randall Gellens; attendees
Subject: Re: =
[93attendees] Taxi and car services in =
Prague
 


Sent from my =
iPhone

On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Robert =
Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>=
 wrote:
 
On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque =
wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> =
wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, =
2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 =
07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the =
hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room =
folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually =
earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>  =
 Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with =
your
>>>>   flight info and they will meet you =
at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>>   $36 EUR =
33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable =
effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to =
town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced =
ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, =
transport.  take a
metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to =
rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber =
clone.
 
You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the =
company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and =
Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US =
$16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the =
Hilton rate mentioned earlier.
 
=

 
Shumon =
Huque.
 
 
Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine =
print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

And how far is it?

I remember at the last =
Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' through town back to =
the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up.  =

 
There =
was a marathon taking place when I left after the last meeting and roads =
were closed off.  You may have had similar =
timing.
 
Best regards,
Kathleen 


He claimed that all the taxis had this =
route programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other =
taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a lot =
of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my =
flight.

_______________________________________________
93at=
tendees mailing list
93attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ie=
tf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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Hello -


We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: =
"Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained Radio=
 Networks and Devices.=94


Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to att=
end the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/inter=
net-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the registra=
tion link.


Lunch will be provided for attendees.


The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is r=
equired for the webcast.


----------
SESSION ABSTRACT


In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile device=
s capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many appli=
cation developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and ne=
tworking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodat=
e the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of une=
ven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to bet=
ter cope with connectivity diversity?


Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion=
 users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with access to=
 both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. What=
 does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at t=
he transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between the t=
wo?


In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the=
 diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challeng=
es and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:


=95 How application developers are dealing with terminal and connectivity d=
iversity
=95 Considerations for protocol developers
=95 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
=95 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data and the tech=
nical responses to date
=95 How power management and connectivity management interact


Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society


Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson


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PANEL DETAILS


Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)


We hope you can join us!
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Hello -







We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF=
 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constra=
ined Radio Networks and Devices.=94







Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required t=
o attend the Briefing Panel in person. See

https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93=
 for session information and the registration link.







Lunch will be provided for attendees.







The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration=
 is required for the webcast.







----------


SESSION ABSTRACT







In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile d=
evices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many =
application developers live and work with much faster computing platforms a=
nd networking environments. Does
 the infrastructure need to change to accommodate the continuing use of the=
se devices? Is this a transient condition of uneven development, or do we n=
eed to re-architect and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity =
diversity?







Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next bi=
llion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acce=
ss to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often.=
 What does designing for the networks
 they *will* be on look like - whether at the transport layer or in the app=
lication, or at the interface between the two?







In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understan=
d the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the cha=
llenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:






=95 Ho=
w application developers are dealing with terminal and connectivity diversi=
ty


=95 Co=
nsiderations for protocol developers


=95 Ho=
w restricted connectivity impacts user behavior


=95 De=
sign principles that could be extrapolated from the data and the technical =
responses to date


=95 Ho=
w power management and connectivity management interact







Moderator:


Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society







Panelists:


Ted Hardie, independent


Blake Matheny, Facebook


Henning Wiemann, Ericsson







----------


PANEL DETAILS







Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015


Venue: Hilton Prague


Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)







We hope you can join us!


_______________________________________________


93attendees mailing list











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Hello -


We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93: =
"Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constrained Radio=
 Networks and Devices.=94


Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required to att=
end the Briefing Panel in person. See https://www.internetsociety.org/inter=
net-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 for session information and the registra=
tion link.


Lunch will be provided for attendees.


The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration is r=
equired for the webcast.


----------
SESSION ABSTRACT


In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile device=
s capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many appli=
cation developers live and work with much faster computing platforms and ne=
tworking environments. Does the infrastructure need to change to accommodat=
e the continuing use of these devices? Is this a transient condition of une=
ven development, or do we need to re-architect and re-design systems to bet=
ter cope with connectivity diversity?


Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next billion=
 users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with access to=
 both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often. What=
 does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like - whether at t=
he transport layer or in the application, or at the interface between the t=
wo?


In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understand the=
 diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the challeng=
es and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:


=95 How application developers are dealing with terminal and connectivity d=
iversity
=95 Considerations for protocol developers
=95 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
=95 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data and the tech=
nical responses to date
=95 How power management and connectivity management interact


Moderator:
Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society


Panelists:
Ted Hardie, independent
Blake Matheny, Facebook
Henning Wiemann, Ericsson


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PANEL DETAILS


Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
Venue: Hilton Prague
Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)


We hope you can join us!
_______________________________________________
93attendees mailing list
93attendees@ietf.org
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Hello -







We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF=
 93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for Constra=
ined Radio Networks and Devices.=94







Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required t=
o attend the Briefing Panel in person. See

https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93=
 for session information and the registration link.







Lunch will be provided for attendees.







The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration=
 is required for the webcast.







----------


SESSION ABSTRACT







In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile d=
evices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But many =
application developers live and work with much faster computing platforms a=
nd networking environments. Does
 the infrastructure need to change to accommodate the continuing use of the=
se devices? Is this a transient condition of uneven development, or do we n=
eed to re-architect and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity =
diversity?







Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next bi=
llion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with acce=
ss to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more often.=
 What does designing for the networks
 they *will* be on look like - whether at the transport layer or in the app=
lication, or at the interface between the two?







In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better understan=
d the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and discuss the cha=
llenges and responses to these modes of Internet connectivity including:






=95 Ho=
w application developers are dealing with terminal and connectivity diversi=
ty


=95 Co=
nsiderations for protocol developers


=95 Ho=
w restricted connectivity impacts user behavior


=95 De=
sign principles that could be extrapolated from the data and the technical =
responses to date


=95 Ho=
w power management and connectivity management interact







Moderator:


Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society







Panelists:


Ted Hardie, independent


Blake Matheny, Facebook


Henning Wiemann, Ericsson







----------


PANEL DETAILS







Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015


Venue: Hilton Prague


Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)







We hope you can join us!


_______________________________________________


93attendees mailing list











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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:56:59AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> So, sorry, but raising concerns about this publicly is what was needed.
>  It also provided a way of determining whether the IETF community cares
> about the privacy and user agreement issues for this activity.

	Not everyone is on the attendee list, so perhaps ietf@
is a better venue?  I opted in to hear about how hot the rooms
are, why there are insufficent cookies and other comic relief.

	I'm certainly greatful for the attempt at disclosure
even if people deem it too late.  It sounds like there could have
been better communication there.  As with all things, it's hard or
impossible to reach 100%.  I applaud those who are trying.

	- Jared

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Canceled: Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF 93
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Folks - this was sent in error.

The briefing panel *has not* been canceled.

Please ignore, and apologies for the noise.

Mat

> On 15 Jul 2015, at 19:16, Kathy Brown  wrote:
>=20
> Hello -
>=20
> We are pleased to announce the Internet Society Briefing Panel at IETF =
93: "Tackling Connectivity Diversity: Protocol Challenges for =
Constrained Radio Networks and Devices.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> Due to high demand for limited seating, pre-registration is required =
to attend the Briefing Panel in person. See =
https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93 =
for session information and the registration link.
>=20
> Lunch will be provided for attendees.
>=20
> The Briefing Panel will also be webcast and audiocast. No registration =
is required for the webcast.
>=20
> ----------
> SESSION ABSTRACT
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> In many areas, Internet connectivity is primarily via low-end mobile =
devices capable of only 2G or 3G connections to cellular networks. But =
many application developers live and work with much faster computing =
platforms and networking environments. Does the infrastructure need to =
change to accommodate the continuing use of these devices? Is this a =
transient condition of uneven development, or do we need to re-architect =
and re-design systems to better cope with connectivity diversity?
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> Key transports had assumptions built on wireline networks. The next =
billion users won't be on wireline networks, and even current users with =
access to both wireless and wireline networks use wireless networks more =
often. What does designing for the networks they *will* be on look like =
- whether at the transport layer or in the application, or at the =
interface between the two?
>=20
> In this session during IETF 93, panelists will try to better =
understand the diversity of Internet connectivity and terminals, and =
discuss the challenges and responses to these modes of Internet =
connectivity including:
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> =E2=80=A2 How application developers are dealing with terminal and =
connectivity diversity
> =E2=80=A2 Considerations for protocol developers
> =E2=80=A2 How restricted connectivity impacts user behavior
> =E2=80=A2 Design principles that could be extrapolated from the data =
and the technical responses to date
> =E2=80=A2 How power management and connectivity management interact
>=20
> Moderator:
> Olaf Kolkman, Internet Society
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> Panelists:
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> Blake Matheny, Facebook
> Henning Wiemann, Ericsson
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> ----------
> PANEL DETAILS
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> Date: Tuesday, 21 July 2015
> Venue: Hilton Prague
> Time: 11:45 AM - 12:45 PM (local time)
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> We hope you can join us!
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At 3:33 PM +0000 7/14/15, Alex McDonald wrote:

>      if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests 
> or tasks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or 
> other public bodies; or
>      if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate 
> interest in doing so, as long as this interest does not affect the 
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> data subjects.
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>  The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and 
> process this data.


What about the "public interest" clause?

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Dear all,

I am also looking a ticket for social event. Please let me know if anyone
has a spare one.

Thanks,
Pravin


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At 10:08 PM -0700 7/14/15, Dave Crocker wrote:

>  The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot for a few
>  days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm range during the day
>  and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range at night.

Based on the forecast I've seen, it doesn't look to be below 70c 
during any hours I'll likely be outside, so I am considering not 
bringing a long-sleeve shirt (to save space in my luggage).  But I 
wonder if it might be freezing inside the meeting room?  I'm trying 
to recall from the previous two IETFs in Prague, but I can't remember 
anything about the meeting room temperature, only that some meeting 
rooms were terribly smokey (something about the smoking area being 
right outside), along with some parts of the lobby, and the 
mezzanine-level restaurant.

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>  But I wonder if it
> might be freezing inside the meeting room?  

Layers.  Bring a sweater.


d/

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http://www.cnpd.public.lu/fr/publications/groupe-art29/wp217_en.pdf

Opinion on the notion of legitimate interests of the data controller etc

Example 24: Information website for teenagers

An NGO website offering advice to teenagers regarding issues such as drug a=
buse, unwanted pregnancy and alcohol abuse collects data via its own server=
 about visitors to the site. It then immediately anonymises these data and =
turns them into general statistics about which parts of the  website  are  =
most  popular  among  visitors  coming  from  different  geographical  regi=
ons  of the country.
Article 7(f) could be used as a legal ground even if data concerning vulner=
able individuals are concerned,  because  the  processing  is  in  the  pub=
lic  interest  and  strict  safeguards  are  put  in place  (the  data  are=
  immediately  rendered  anonymous  and  only  used  for  the  creation  of=
 statistics), which helps tipping the balance in favour of the controller.

So the answer is perhaps yes, if caveats re anonymization and use are adher=
ed to.

(As a general note, I didn't raise this with the intent of having "I am not=
 a lawyer but..." discussions. It's just that this stuff has a tendency to =
bite hard when it does bite. The EU doesn't mess around, especially in ligh=
t of recent events around Snowden and the leak of US clearance information,=
 and with bodies or companies it thinks should know better.)

Alex McDonald
Standards & Industry Associations Group
CTO Office
NetApp
+44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone
alexmc@netapp.com
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> From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@qti.qualcomm.com]
> Sent: 15 July 2015 20:35
> To: McDonald, Alex; Rolf Winter; 93attendees@ietf.org
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>=20
> At 3:33 PM +0000 7/14/15, Alex McDonald wrote:
>=20
> >      if processing is necessary to perform tasks of public interests
> > or tasks carried out by government, tax authorities, the police or
> > other public bodies; or
> >      if the data controller or a third party has a legitimate interest
> > in doing so, as long as this interest does not affect the interests of
> > the data subject, or infringe on his or her fundamental rights, in
> > particular the right to privacy. This provision establishes the need
> > to strike a reasonable balance between the data controllers' business
> > interests and the privacy of data subjects.
> >  <<----
> >
> >  The last clause is the only clause under which you can collect and
> > process this data.
>=20
>=20
> What about the "public interest" clause?
>=20
> --
> Randall Gellens
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A cursory examination of the 80attendees mailing list finds only this thr=
ead:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/80attendees/current/msg00160.html

But that was in March. =C2=A0Air conditioning in Europe rarely has the oo=
mph to turn a summer day into arctic conditions.

So I plan to dress like I would elsewhere in Europe.

(In Germany, we try to keep the temperature difference between outside an=
d cooled inside to less than about 6 to 7 K, so on a 34 =C2=B0C day it mi=
ght be a bit warm for some US people. =C2=A0Of course, we can expect comp=
laints about that, cf. IET=4687. =C2=A0It=E2=80=99s still solid occupatio=
nal health science.)

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

On 15 Jul 2015 at 23:47:41, Randall Gellens (randy=40qti.qualcomm.com) wr=
ote:

At 10:08 PM -0700 7/14/15, Dave Crocker wrote: =20

> The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot for a few =
=20
> days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm range during the day =20
> and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range at night. =20

Based on the forecast I've seen, it doesn't look to be below 70c =20
during any hours I'll likely be outside, so I am considering not =20
bringing a long-sleeve shirt (to save space in my luggage). But I =20
wonder if it might be freezing inside the meeting room=3F I'm trying =20
to recall from the previous two IET=46s in Prague, but I can't remember =20
anything about the meeting room temperature, only that some meeting =20
rooms were terribly smokey (something about the smoking area being =20
right outside), along with some parts of the lobby, and the =20
mezzanine-level restaurant. =20

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Internet search tells me that Type C and E plugs are=
 used in the Czech republic.


h=
ttp://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm



h=
ttp://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeE.htm


 


Does the Hilton have any other types, or universal t=
ypes, for travelers?


 


Will IETF provide other types on power-bars in the c=
onference rooms?


 


Thanks,


-Dave


 






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Haven't been at the Hilton, but only seen E at walls and
plugs C or E as to be expected. Every useful universal adapter kit
should have an adapter to C as that will work all over europe (and beyond).

Only problem with simple C (eg: shaver) cable is when you have some
power supply/notebook grounding designs that depend on the third grounding
pin. Eg: when i use a C cable or adapter in my MBP power adapters, i get
ground loop hum leaking into VoIP calls badly. But i just run from batteries
then and avoid having to carry different 3-pin adapters for a lot more countries.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:04:32PM +0000, Dave Dolson wrote:
> Internet search tells me that Type C and E plugs are used in the Czech republic.
> http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm
> http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeE.htm
> 
> Does the Hilton have any other types, or universal types, for travelers?
> 
> Will IETF provide other types on power-bars in the conference rooms?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Dave
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At 3:59 PM -0700 7/15/15, Dave Crocker wrote:

>  On 7/15/2015 3:20 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>  I am considering bringing a pull-over long-sleeve t-shirt to use as a
>>  warmth layer, but as someone who hasn't intentionally checked a bag in
>>  many years, I try to optimize luggage space by bringing the absolute
>>  minimum.
>
>  t-shirt?  as in cotton?  terrible for warmth.  or poly or the like?  worse.

100% cotton.  That's the principle of layers: multiple very thin 
layers trap air between them, creating insulation, but are adaptable 
by adding or removing.  Throw a long-sleeve cotton T-shirt over 
whatever short-sleeve shirt (T- or button) one is wearing for instant 
warmth.  Add a cotton undershirt underneath if extra-strength warmth 
is needed.

>  if you're serious about the function, get an alpaca sweater.  Alpaca is
>  several times warmer than wool and apparently it's hypoallergenic.[*]
>  So a very thin, light alpaca sweater will keep you plenty toasty.

I suspect that would be way too hot.  Unless the rooms will be Arctic.

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On 15/07/2015 23:46, Jared Mauch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:05:32AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>>
>> (In Germany, we try to keep the temperature difference between 
> outside and cooled inside to less than about 6 to 7 K, ...
> 
> 	Hope it's warmer than 6-7 kelvin.
> 
> 	Maybe 300 K instead?  :)

I really hope there isn't a 300 K *difference* between the inside and
the outside!

Ray



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Hi,

Previous time I was in Prague. I exchanged money at offices at "Politick=C3=
=BDch
v=C4=9Bz=C5=88=C5=AF" street (had done some research before for the best ex=
change rate) which
is close to the main train station (Hlavn=C3=AD n=C3=A1dra=C5=BE=C3=AD). Th=
ere are about 5
offices on the street, mostly arab-owned, and offer very good rates even
for smaller amounts. It is the best if you have euro (or dollars) in cash
to exchange. When you enter one of the offices, you can tell a cashier
there how much you would like to exchange. He then type on a calculator how
much CZK you would get for that amount of euro. You can then count if the
exchange rate is consistent with one that they claim and exchange if
everything is correct.
I think this is one of the most popular places for exchange in Prague. At
least, I used them last time and everything went well.

To get there:
Take metro at Florenc-C (station next to Hilton) for 2 stops till Museum-C
station. Then take an exit to Washingtonova street (a delight
for Americans:))  and walk towards the main train station. Basically, the
very first crossroad will be with Politick=C3=BDch v=C4=9Bz=C5=88=C5=AF. Yo=
u will see boards
with exchange rates then.

Best,
Kirill


Kirill Nikitin
nkirill1@gmail.com
+46 720326184

2015-07-15 17:57 GMT+03:00 STARK, BARBARA H :

>  This has always been my strategy, too. And I use a card from Schwab, who
> refunds all ATM fees and charges no international exchange fees. I also
> consistently get a better exchange rate than the one my company gets on t=
he
> charges I put on the corporate credit card.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
> *From:* 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *=
Dave
> Thompson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:47 AM
> *To:* Piotr Wydrych; Vinayak Hegde
> *Cc:* 93attendees@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] Good place to Exchange Euros for Czech Korun=
a
>
>
>
> I've always found ATM's to be a place to get a good exchange rate.   Bank=
s
> have access to the best exchange rates.  ATM charges a fixed fee, and you=
r
> card fee is known ahead of time.      So for example, ATM fee ~$2, and ca=
rd
> issuer fee between 1.0 to 3.0% depending on your issuer.    Compare this =
to
> a  typical 10% airport exchange cost.     If going this way, you should
> tell your bank ahead of time of your travel plans, else you may set off t=
he
> automatic security flag and accidentally get your card shut off.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:48 AM, Piotr Wydrych <
> piotr.wydrych@agh.edu.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> Vinayak, All,
>
> W dniu 2015-07-15 o 14:22, Vinayak Hegde pisze:
> > Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> > near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> > places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> > Want to avoid them.
>
> I always used  when in Prague. 20
> minutes by foot (ca. 1 mile) from Hilton or Intercontinental.
>
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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Hi,
Previous time I was in Prague. I exchan=
ged money at offices at "Politick=C3=BDch v=C4=9Bz=C5=88=C5=AF" =
street=C2=A0(=
had done some research before for the best exchange rate)=C2=A0which is close to the main train sta=
tion (=
Hlavn=C3=AD n=C3=A1dra=C5=BE=C3=AD).=C2=A0There are about 5 offices on the street, mostly arab-owned, and offer very=
 good rates even for smaller amounts. It is the best if you have euro (or d=
ollars) in cash to exchange. When you enter one of the offices, you can tel=
l a cashier there how much you would like to exchange. He then type on a ca=
lculator how much CZK you would get for that amount of euro. You can then c=
ount if the exchange rate is consistent with one that they claim and exchan=
ge if everything is correct.
I think this is one of the most popular places for exchange in Pra=
gue. At least, I used them last time and everything went well.

<=
div>To get there:
=

Take metro at Fl=
orenc-C (station next to Hilton) for 2 stops till Museum-C station. Then ta=
ke an exit to Washingtonova street (a delight for=C2=A0Americans:)) =C2=A0a=
nd walk towards the main train station. Basically, the very first crossroad=
 will be with=C2=A0Po=
litick=C3=BDch v=C4=9Bz=C5=88=C5=AF. You will see boards with exchange rate=
s then.

=

Best,
Kirill




2015-07-15 17:57 GMT+03:00 STARK, BARBARA H =
<b=
s7652@att.com>:











This has always been my strategy, too=
. And I use a card from Schwab, who refunds all ATM fees and charges no int=
ernational exchange fees. I also consistently
 get a better exchange rate than the one my company gets on the charges I p=
ut on the corporate credit card.


Barbara


=C2=A0








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On Behalf Of Dave Thompson

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:47 AM

To: Piotr Wydrych; Vinayak Hegde

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Good place to Exchange Euros for Czech Ko=
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I've a=
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=A0 Banks have access to the best exchange rates.=C2=A0 ATM charges a fixed
 fee, and your card fee is known ahead of time.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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pending on your issuer. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Compare this to a=C2=A0 typical 10% ai=
rport exchange cost.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If going this way, you should =
tell your bank ahead
 of time of your travel plans, else you may set off the automatic security =
flag and accidentally get your card shut off.




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Vinayak, All,



W dniu 2015-07-15 o 14:22, Vinayak Hegde pisze:

> Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> Want to avoid them.



I always used <http://eurochange.cz/kudy-k-nam/> when in Prague. 20


minutes by foot (ca. 1 mile) from Hilton or Intercontinental.



Best,

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

-- 

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Hi all!

We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport 
tickets for IETF attendees.

At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket 
entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) 
in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the 
capital including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to 
July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public 
transport, it is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.

Thank you!

Daniel Rozum
project coordinator
CZ.NIC


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Hi!

> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport tickets
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That's awesome! Thanks!

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>
> At 10:08 PM -0700 7/14/15, Dave Crocker wrote:
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>> The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot for a few
>> days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm range during the day
>> and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range at night.
>
> Based on the forecast I've seen, it doesn't look to be below 70c
> during any hours I'll likely be outside, so I am considering not
> bringing a long-sleeve shirt (to save space in my luggage).  But I
> wonder if it might be freezing inside the meeting room?  I'm trying
> to recall from the previous two IETFs in Prague, but I can't remember
> anything about the meeting room temperature, only that some meeting
> rooms were terribly smokey (something about the smoking area being
> right outside), along with some parts of the lobby, and the
> mezzanine-level restaurant.
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On 16 Jul 2015, at 15:16, Daniel Rozum wrote:

> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport ticke=
ts for IETF attendees.
>
> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket e=
ntitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in =
the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital in=
cluding the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2=
015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is n=
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Great!

  Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
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nice!

On 7/16/15 9:16 AM, Daniel Rozum wrote:
> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
> tickets for IETF attendees.
>
> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains)
> in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the
> capital including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015
> to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public
> transport, it is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge=
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Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!

Tomas


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Hi all!

We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport tickets
for IETF attendees.

At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in
the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24,
2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is
necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.

Thank you!

Daniel Rozum
project coordinator
CZ.NIC

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Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!

Does this include the companion program as well?

Dean

> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
> 
> Tomas
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Rozum
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport tickets
> for IETF attendees.
> 
> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in
> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24,
> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is
> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Daniel Rozum
> project coordinator
> CZ.NIC
> 
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Looks like this is sold out already, as well. :(

Very frustrating for those of us in more Western timezones who were not awa=
ke / on email when this notification went out.

Still seeking two tickets...

Regards,
Lisa

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Hi all,

The hosts have made available additional social tickets for the event on Tu=
esday, July 21st. If you wish to purchase a ticket you can buy them here: h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf93/eventticket.py

You can find the social event information here: http://www.ietf93.cz/#socia=
levent


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Yes ;-(

I'm seeking one ticket as well.

Kind regards,

Marcella Imparato

2015-07-16 11:18 GMT-03:00 Lisa Lorenzin :

> Looks like this is sold out already, as well. :(
>
> Very frustrating for those of us in more Western timezones who were not
> awake / on email when this notification went out.
>
> Still seeking two tickets...
>
> Regards,
> Lisa
>
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>
> Hi all,
>
> The hosts have made available additional social tickets for the event on
> Tuesday, July 21st. If you wish to purchase a ticket you can buy them here:
> https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf93/eventticket.py
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> You can find the social event information here:
> http://www.ietf93.cz/#socialevent
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Yes ;-(

I'm seeking one ticket as w=
ell.

Kind regards,=C2=A0

=
Marcella Imparato

2015-07-16 11:18 GMT-03:00 Lisa Lorenzin <=
llorenzin@pu=
lsesecure.net>:
Looks like =
this is sold out already, as well. :(



Very frustrating for those of us in more Western timezones who were not awa=
ke / on email when this notification went out.



Still seeking two tickets...



Regards,

Lisa




-----Original Message-----

From: 93all [mailto:93all-bounces=
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:32 AM

To: 93all@ietf.org

Subject: [93all] IETF 93 Social Tickets



Hi all,



The hosts have made available additional social tickets for the event on Tu=
esday, July 21st. If you wish to purchase a ticket you can buy them here: <=
a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf93/eventticket.py" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf93/event=
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You can find the social event information here: http://www.ietf93.c=
z/#socialevent





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Andy,
for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees only.
In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare tickets 
and will offer them to official companions.

Thank you for understanding.

Daniel

Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis napsal(a):
> Daniel,
>
> Is this available for companions as well?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Rozum  > wrote:
>
>     Hi all!
>
>     We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>     tickets for IETF attendees.
>
>     At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a
>     ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation (except
>     for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These
>     zones cover the capital including the airport. The ticket is valid
>     from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection
>     during using the public transport, it is necessary to show the
>     ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>
>     Thank you!
>
>     Daniel Rozum
>     project coordinator
>     CZ.NIC
>
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    Andy,

    for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees
    only.

    In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare
    tickets and will offer them to official companions.

    

    Thank you for understanding.

    

    Daniel

    

    
Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis
      napsal(a):

    

    

      
Daniel,
        


        

        
Is this available for companions as well?

        


        

        
Thanks,

        
Andy

      

      


        
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel
          Rozum <daniel.rozum@nic.cz>
          wrote:

          
Hi all!

            

            We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public
            transport tickets for IETF attendees.

            

            At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive
            a ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation
            (except for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague
            area. These zones cover the capital including the airport.
            The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In
            case of any inspection during using the public transport, it
            is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.

            

            Thank you!

            

            Daniel Rozum

            project coordinator

            CZ.NIC

            

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+1, I believe this is a terrific idea.

Thanks!

On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
>
> Does this include the companion program as well?
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> Dean
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>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
>>
>> Tomas
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>> Hi all!
>>
>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport tickets
>> for IETF attendees.
>>
>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in
>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24,
>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is
>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Daniel Rozum
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>>
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Pivovarsky Klub is excellent indeed. Here are many other great places.

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Pivovarsky Klub is excellent indeed. Here are many other great places.


http://www.ratebeer.com/Places/FindPlacesByCity.asp?CountryID=56&StateID=0&City=prague


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At 9:27 AM -0400 7/16/15, Lee Howard wrote:

>  It's times like this I remember what my mother told me: "Bring a sweater."

Your mother probably checked bags :-)


>   > On Jul 15, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Randall Gellens 
>  wrote:
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>>  At 10:08 PM -0700 7/14/15, Dave Crocker wrote:
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>>  wonder if it might be freezing inside the meeting room?  I'm trying
>>  to recall from the previous two IETFs in Prague, but I can't remember
>>  anything about the meeting room temperature, only that some meeting
>>  rooms were terribly smokey (something about the smoking area being
>>  right outside), along with some parts of the lobby, and the
>>  mezzanine-level restaurant.
>>
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My hotel room at the Hilton Prague appears to have type E and F outlets.
I've successfully plugged in a type C adapter to both of these.

I don't know what the conference venue will have, in terms of power strips
etc.

-Benson


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Dave Dolson  wrote:

>  Internet search tells me that Type C and E plugs are used in the Czech
> republic.
>
> http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm
>
> http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeE.htm
>
>
>
> Does the Hilton have any other types, or universal types, for travelers?
>
>
>
> Will IETF provide other types on power-bars in the conference rooms?
>
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> Thanks,
>
> -Dave
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My hotel room at the Hilton Prague appears to have type E =
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I don't know what the conference venue will =
have, in terms of power strips etc.

-Benson
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div>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Dave Dolson <ddolson@sandvine.com> wrote:











Internet search tells me that Type C and E plugs are=
 used in the Czech republic.


http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm



http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeE.htm

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Does the Hilton have any other types, or universal t=
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Will IETF provide other types on power-bars in the c=
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Daniel,

Absolutely, and thanks for the service, it's great!

Cheers,
Andy

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Rozum  wrote:

>  Andy,
> for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees only.
> In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare tickets
> and will offer them to official companions.
>
> Thank you for understanding.
>
> Daniel
>
> Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis napsal(a):
>
> Daniel,
>
>  Is this available for companions as well?
>
>  Thanks,
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Rozum  wrote=
:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport ticket=
s
>> for IETF attendees.
>>
>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) i=
n
>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24=
,
>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is
>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Daniel Rozum
>> project coordinator
>> CZ.NIC
>>
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Daniel,

Absolutely, and thanks for the =
service, it's great!

Cheers,
Andy

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te:

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   =20
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    Andy,

    for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees
    only.

    In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare
    tickets and will offer them to official companions.

    

    Thank you for understanding.

    

    Daniel

    

    
Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis
      napsal(a):

    

    

      
Daniel,
        


        

        
Is this available for companions as well?

        


        

        
Thanks,

        
Andy

      

      


        
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel
          Rozum <daniel.rozum@nic.cz>
          wrote:

          
Hi all!

            

            We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public
            transport tickets for IETF attendees.

            

            At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive
            a ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation
            (except for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague
            area. These zones cover the capital including the airport.
            The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In
            case of any inspection during using the public transport, it
            is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.

            

            Thank you!

            

            Daniel Rozum

            project coordinator

            CZ.NIC

            

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I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in part, 
as I have an early morning flight out Friday.  So I am looking for a 
hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy 
late thursday evening.

Any recommendations?

I am at IEEE 802 for a few more hours before I start the trek home so I 
can start the trek to IETF....




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This sounds very nice.  Can you please clarify what it applies to?  I 
am not sure if the subway counts as a train (and so isn't free for 
us) or not.

At 3:16 PM +0200 7/16/15, Daniel Rozum wrote:

>  Hi all!
>
>  We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport 
> tickets for IETF attendees.
>
>  At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a 
> ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation (except 
> for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones 
> cover the capital including the airport. The ticket is valid from 
> July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection during 
> using the public transport, it is necessary to show the ticket as 
> well as the IETF badge.
>
>  Thank you!
>
>  Daniel Rozum
>  project coordinator
>  CZ.NIC
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  93attendees mailing list
>  93attendees@ietf.org
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Is it sold out again, or it hasn't started yet?


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Hi all,

The hosts have made available additional social tickets for the event on Tu=
esday, July 21st. If you wish to purchase a ticket you can buy them here: h=
ttps://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf93/eventticket.py

You can find the social event information here: http://www.ietf93.cz/#socia=
levent


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Hello Daniel,

Thank you very much!

On 16.07.2015 16:16, Daniel Rozum wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport 
> tickets for IETF attendees.
>
> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket 
> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) 
> in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the 
> capital including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 
> to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public 
> transport, it is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Daniel Rozum
> project coordinator
> CZ.NIC
>
> _______________________________________________
> 93attendees mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees


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You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).

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 Moskowitz
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I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in part, as I=
 have an early morning flight out Friday.  So I am looking for a hotel near=
 the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy late thursday =
evening.

Any recommendations?

I am at IEEE 802 for a few more hours before I start the trek home so I can=
 start the trek to IETF....



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If anyone needs a ticket during the validity period of the IETF ticket:
I have a transferable monthly ticket I'm already using that I could then
lend out.
(I'd like to have it back for Sat 25th, if that is easy to achieve.)

Grüße, Carsten


Daniel Rozum wrote:
> Andy,
> for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees only.
> In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare tickets
> and will offer them to official companions.
> 
> Thank you for understanding.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis napsal(a):
>> Daniel,
>>
>> Is this available for companions as well?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Rozum > > wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all!
>>
>>     We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>>     tickets for IETF attendees.
>>
>>     At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a
>>     ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation (except
>>     for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These
>>     zones cover the capital including the airport. The ticket is valid
>>     from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection
>>     during using the public transport, it is necessary to show the
>>     ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>
>>     Thank you!
>>
>>     Daniel Rozum
>>     project coordinator
>>     CZ.NIC
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     93attendees mailing list
>>     93attendees@ietf.org 
>>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>
>>
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Rozum
> projektový koordinátor
> CZ.NIC, z. s. p. o.
> Milešovská 5, 130 00 Praha 3
> tel.: + 420 739 632 713
> www.nic.cz
> 
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The on airport is showing me 3650 and the one 8mi away 1295.  So looks 
like I will be no staying AT the airport, but close enough.

On 07/16/2015 08:13 AM, Mishra, Sanjay wrote:
> You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).
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> I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in part, as I have an early morning flight out Friday.  So I am looking for a hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy late thursday evening.
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    The on airport is showing me 3650 and the one 8mi away 1295. So
    looks like I will be no staying AT the airport, but close enough.

    

    
On 07/16/2015 08:13 AM, Mishra, Sanjay
      wrote:

    

    

      
You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).

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Subject: [93attendees] airport hotel for thursday night

I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in part, as I have an early morning flight out Friday.  So I am looking for a hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy late thursday evening.

Any recommendations?

I am at IEEE 802 for a few more hours before I start the trek home so I can start the trek to IETF....



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I just booked the Ramada Inn at the airport for Friday night. TripAdvisor i=
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s a 24 hour shuttle to Terminals 1 and 2.
Barbara

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The on airport is showing me 3650 and the one 8mi away 1295.  So looks like=
 I will be no staying AT the airport, but close enough.
On 07/16/2015 08:13 AM, Mishra, Sanjay wrote:

You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).



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I just booked the Ramada Inn at the a=
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 shuttle to Terminals 1 and 2.


Barbara


 








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The on airport is sho=
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You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70=
).


 


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I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in =
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or a hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy=
 late thursday evening.


 


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I am at IEEE 802 for a few more hours before I start the trek home so =
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Thanks everyone.  I am all set now.  Looking forward to another great IETF.

On 07/16/2015 10:07 AM, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
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>
> I just booked the Ramada Inn at the airport for Friday night. 
> TripAdvisor is quoting that for Thursday at $92. It says its next to 
> Terminal 3 and runs a 24 hour shuttle to Terminals 1 and 2.
>
> Barbara
>
> *From:*93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Robert Moskowitz
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:35 PM
> *To:* Mishra, Sanjay; 93attendees@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] airport hotel for thursday night
>
> The on airport is showing me 3650 and the one 8mi away 1295.  So looks 
> like I will be no staying AT the airport, but close enough.
>
> On 07/16/2015 08:13 AM, Mishra, Sanjay wrote:
>
>     You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).
>
>       
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>     -----Original Message-----
>
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>     Subject: [93attendees] airport hotel for thursday night
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>     I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs.  Which is OK, in part, as I have an early morning flight out Friday.  So I am looking for a hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy late thursday evening.
>
>       
>
>     Any recommendations?
>
>       
>
>     I am at IEEE 802 for a few more hours before I start the trek home so I can start the trek to IETF....
>
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>
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    Thanks everyone. I am all set now. Looking forward to another
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On 07/16/2015 10:07 AM, STARK, BARBARA
      H wrote:

    

    

      
      
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I
            just booked the Ramada Inn at the airport for Friday night.
            TripAdvisor is quoting that for Thursday at $92. It says
            its next to Terminal 3 and runs a 24 hour shuttle to
            Terminals 1 and 2.

        
Barbara

        

        

          

            

              
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The on
            airport is showing me 3650 and the one 8mi away 1295. So
            looks like I will be no staying AT the airport, but close
            enough.

          

            
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              wrote:

          

          

            
You can try Courtyard Prague airport (CZK 1500 + 225 in taxes ~$70).

            

            
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Subject: [93attendees] airport hotel for thursday night

            

            
I got into the Hilton for M - W, but not Thurs. Which is OK, in part, as I have an early morning flight out Friday. So I am looking for a hotel near the airport for the night that I can get to relatively easy late thursday evening.

            

            
Any recommendations?

            

            
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That is now claimed.  Sorry I have only one :-)

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> On 16.07.2015, at 21:14, Carsten Bormann  wrote:
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> If anyone needs a ticket during the validity period of the IETF ticket:
> I have a transferable monthly ticket I'm already using that I could then
> lend out.
> (I'd like to have it back for Sat 25th, if that is easy to achieve.)
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> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
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> Daniel Rozum wrote:
>> Andy,
>> for now, we are counting with the tickets for regular attendees only.
>> In the beginning of next week, we will see if we have any spare tickets
>> and will offer them to official companions.
>>=20
>> Thank you for understanding.
>>=20
>> Daniel
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>> Dne 16.7.2015 v 15:42 Andrew G. Malis napsal(a):
>>> Daniel,
>>>=20
>>> Is this available for companions as well?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andy
>>>=20
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Rozum >> > wrote:
>>>=20
>>>    Hi all!
>>>=20
>>>    We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>>>    tickets for IETF attendees.
>>>=20
>>>    At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a
>>>    ticket entitling him or her to free public transportation (except
>>>    for trains) in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These
>>>    zones cover the capital including the airport. The ticket is valid
>>>    from July 19, 2015 to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection
>>>    during using the public transport, it is necessary to show the
>>>    ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>>=20
>>>    Thank you!
>>>=20
>>>    Daniel Rozum
>>>    project coordinator
>>>    CZ.NIC
>>>=20
>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>    93attendees mailing list
>>>    93attendees@ietf.org 
>>>    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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>> --=20
>> Daniel Rozum
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Hi,
in Prague transport system, metro doesn't counts as a train.
Ticket is valid for metro, buses and tramways.

Classical train transport is provided by different company than the rest 
of public transport, this is the reason, why trains are not included.

Daniel



Dne 2015-07-16 18:45, Randall Gellens napsal:
> This sounds very nice.  Can you please clarify what it applies to?  I
> am not sure if the subway counts as a train (and so isn't free for us)
> or not.
> 
> At 3:16 PM +0200 7/16/15, Daniel Rozum wrote:
> 
>>  Hi all!
>> 
>>  We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport 
>> tickets for IETF attendees.
>> 
>>  At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket 
>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) 
>> in the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the 
>> capital including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 
>> to July 24, 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public 
>> transport, it is necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF 
>> badge.
>> 
>>  Thank you!
>> 
>>  Daniel Rozum
>>  project coordinator
>>  CZ.NIC
>> 
>>  _______________________________________________
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Hi,

If you like to swim, and/or burn off some of those cookies, and the hotel p=
ool doesn't fulfill your requirements for a proper pool, there is a swim co=
mplex called Podoli not too far from the meeting (about 30 minutes with tra=
m, according to Google maps).

https://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=3D805

Regards,

Christer

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Hi,



If you like to swim, and/or burn off some of those cookies, and the hotel p=
ool doesn't fulfill your requirements for a proper pool, there is a swim co=
mplex called Podoli not too far from the meeting (about 30 minutes with tra=
m, according to Google maps).



https://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=3D805



Regards,



Christer



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> On 17 Jul 2015, at 08:43, JESUS MARIA MARTIN GARCIA =
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> Any ideas about running trails/paths close to the Hilton?
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> I know it=E2=80=99s really hot these days, but should be ok in the =
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

> In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill.

I have been told by locals that a lot of places are trying to bring in a 
"tipping culture" here. So lots of places will say "service not included", 
or even give you a hand-written note that adds 10% to the bill for a new 
total. The locals also say that historically, there wasn't much tipping in 
Prague, and some feel that the restaurants are trying to trick tourists to 
tip.

He said historically things were generally just rounded up. He also said 
there is a youtube group (?) shaming restaurants that try to trick 
tourists to tip a lot or add 10% service fee.

Also, do not use the http://www.hopon-hopoff.cz/ . It's a total ripoff, 
bad service, bad buses, read tripadvisor reviews of it (50% has given it 
the lowest score). I noticed too late unfortunately.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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Hi all

It's just been brought to my attention that there are rival political 
rallies scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday 18 July in Wenceslas Square.

See 
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-capital-won-t-allow-second-demonstration-against-xenophobia-because-of-timing-clash-with-anti-immigrant-event

John


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Thanks, Christer.  Have you swam there?  I am wondering how crowded 
it gets, and which hours are best/worst.

A guide to swimming pools worldwide that I use a lot is 
www.swimmersguide.com.  Here is the Prague list: 
http://www.swimmersguide.com/selectfacility.aspx?cid=1209

At 7:03 AM +0000 7/17/15, Christer Holmberg wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  If you like to swim, and/or burn off some of those cookies, and the 
> hotel pool doesn't fulfill your requirements for a proper pool, 
> there is a swim complex called Podoli not too far from the meeting 
> (about 30 minutes with tram, according to Google maps).
>
>  https://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=805
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>  Regards,
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>  Christer
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At 11:33 AM +0000 7/17/15, Suhas Nandakumar (snandaku) wrote:

>   I forgot to bring my power adapter while traveling from US. Does 
> any one know where could i buy one or borrow one or something ..

Do you actually need a power (voltage) adapter or just a plug 
adapter?  If just the plug, your hotel will lend you one during you 
stay.

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On 17.7.2015 14:31, John Dowdell wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> It's just been brought to my attention that there are rival political rallies
> scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday 18 July in Wenceslas Square.
> 
> See
> http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-capital-won-t-allow-second-demonstration-against-xenophobia-because-of-timing-clash-with-anti-immigrant-event

I would like to mention that Czech 'rallies' are usually quite calm.

You can see and hear people gathering and walking across the city but that is
it. Police does not fire into people etc. :-)

-- 
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Hi Randall,

I haven't been there, but the reviews I've read have been good.

I guess it can become busy in summer, but personally I intend to go swimmin=
g early in the morning.

You do need to pay buy cash, though, afaik, so no credit cards or bit coins=
 :)

Regards,

Christer

Sent from my Windows Phone
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Swim

Thanks, Christer.  Have you swam there?  I am wondering how crowded
it gets, and which hours are best/worst.

A guide to swimming pools worldwide that I use a lot is
www.swimmersguide.com.  Here is the Prague li=
st:
http://www.swimmersguide.com/selectfacility.aspx?cid=3D1209

At 7:03 AM +0000 7/17/15, Christer Holmberg wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  If you like to swim, and/or burn off some of those cookies, and the
> hotel pool doesn't fulfill your requirements for a proper pool,
> there is a swim complex called Podoli not too far from the meeting
> (about 30 minutes with tram, according to Google maps).
>
>  https://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=3D805
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Christer
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Thanks, Christer.  Have you swam there? =
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it gets, and which hours are best/worst.



A guide to swimming pools worldwide that I use a lot is 

www.swimmersguide.com.  H=
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htt=
p://www.swimmersguide.com/selectfacility.aspx?cid=3D1209



At 7:03 AM +0000 7/17/15, Christer Holmberg wrote:



>  Hi,

>

>  If you like to swim, and/or burn off some of those cookies, and =
the 

> hotel pool doesn't fulfill your requirements for a proper pool, 

> there is a swim complex called Podoli not too far from the meeting 
> (about 30 minutes with tram, according to Google maps).

>

>  https://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=3D805

>

>  Regards,

>

>  Christer

>

>  Sent from my Windows Phone

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> At 9:27 AM -0400 7/16/15, Lee Howard wrote:
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>> It's times like this I remember what my mother told me: "Bring a 
>> sweater."
> 
> Your mother probably checked bags :-)

these days you can get some fairly epic insulation in a package around
200 grams which is both lighter and packs smaller than the cotton
t-shirt I'm wearing.

it's pretty cold on the plane right now.

> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Randall Gellens
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At 10:08 PM -0700 7/14/15, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The forecast that I saw for the next 10 days indeed said hot
>>>> for a few days, and then mostly in the comfortable-to-warm
>>>> range during the day and comfortable-to-slightly-chilly range
>>>> at night.
>>> 
>>> Based on the forecast I've seen, it doesn't look to be below
>>> 70c during any hours I'll likely be outside, so I am
>>> considering not bringing a long-sleeve shirt (to save space in
>>> my luggage).  But I wonder if it might be freezing inside the
>>> meeting room?  I'm trying to recall from the previous two IETFs
>>> in Prague, but I can't remember anything about the meeting room
>>> temperature, only that some meeting rooms were terribly smokey
>>> (something about the smoking area being right outside), along
>>> with some parts of the lobby, and the mezzanine-level
>>> restaurant.
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At 9:00 PM -0700 7/16/15, joel jaeggli wrote:

>  these days you can get some fairly epic insulation in a package around
>  200 grams which is both lighter and packs smaller than the cotton
>  t-shirt I'm wearing.

I'd be terribly overheated with "epic" insulation.  Even if it's 
snowing, which I am not expecting in the meeting rooms.

>  it's pretty cold on the plane right now.

In the past 20 years, I have been on one flight where I thought it 
was chilly.  I'm always terribly hot on planes.  Even in exit rows. 
Which flight are you on, what type of plane, and which seat?


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It turns out that I can't make it to IETF 93 for family reasons (nothing di=
re, just complicated and needs to be dealt with in person) and so my room r=
eservation is up for grabs.   I figured I'd see if anybody wants it before =
just canceling it.   I don't know whether it's possible to transfer the res=
ervation, but I think it is, since I've heard of other people doing it in t=
he past.   So if you are interested, please let me know, but don't cancel y=
our reservation until we talk.   If more than one person is interested, fir=
st person I'm able to successfully contact wins.=


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I already have a taker.   Thanks!
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hrough Thursday nights?

It turns out that I can't make it to IETF 93 for family reasons (nothing di=
re, just complicated and needs to be dealt with in person) and so my room r=
eservation is up for grabs.   I figured I'd see if anybody wants it before =
just canceling it.   I don't know whether it's possible to transfer the res=
ervation, but I think it is, since I've heard of other people doing it in t=
he past.   So if you are interested, please let me know, but don't cancel y=
our reservation until we talk.   If more than one person is interested, fir=
st person I'm able to successfully contact wins.
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From: "Visweswaran, Gowri" 
To: "Suhas Nandakumar (snandaku)" , "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [93attendees] US to Euro Power Adapter
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Hi Suhas,

I got one from the front desk at the Hilton whee the conference is held.

Thanks,

Gowri

From: "Suhas Nandakumar (snandaku)" >
Date: Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:33 AM
To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.o=
rg>
Subject: [93attendees] US to Euro Power Adapter


 Hi All

  I forgot to bring my power adapter while traveling from US. Does any one =
know where could i buy one or borrow one or something ..



Thanks
Suhas

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Hi Suhas,







I got one from the front desk at the Hilton whee the conference is hel=
d.







Thanks,







Gowri









From: "Suhas Nandakumar (snand=
aku)" <snandaku@cisco.com=
>

Date: Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:33=
 AM

To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>

Subject: [93attendees] US to Euro P=
ower Adapter















 Hi All



  I forgot to bring my power adapter while traveling from US. Does any=
 one know where could i buy one or borrow one or something ..







Thanks

Suhas











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Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?
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Locals do not use single trip tickets on the public transportation system
so if you do you are easily spotted as a tourist. The IETF free pass will
help, but warn your companions and/or relatives.

Luis
On Jul 10, 2015 6:32 PM, "Daniel Harkins" 
wrote:

>
>   On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin" <
> 93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of llorenzin@pulsesecure.net>
> wrote:
>
>   I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag
> and carrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back=
)
> marks me as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential
> difficulty for a thief - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone wh=
o
> looks like an easier mark.  I don't have to outrun the bear...
>
>
>    There is a wide spectrum of crime between pickpocketing and getting
> shot.
> Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in front is a signal that you got
> something
> valuable. You are making yourself look like the tastiest morsel for that
> bear.
>
>    When walking around foreign cities I follow the old saying, =E2=80=9Ct=
he nail
> that sticks
> up gets the hammer.=E2=80=9D I try my best to look local or at least not =
so much
> like
> a tourist but even if I do I don=E2=80=99t look like the one to rob=E2=80=
=94 large wallet
> in pocket,
> PacSafe bag cross-body in front of me=E2=80=A6.
>
>    Be safe,
>
>    Dan.
>
>
>  Regards,
> Lisa
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org
> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM
> To: Derick Winkworth
> Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?
>
>
>  On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth  > > wrote:
>
>  Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite
> comfortable with the expensive bag with anti-theft features.
>
>
>  So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target.
>
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Locals do not use single trip tickets on the public transpor=
tation system so if you do you are easily spotted as a tourist. The IETF fr=
ee pass will help, but warn your companions and/or relatives.


Luis


On Jul 10, 2015 6:32 PM, "Daniel Harkins&qu=
ot; <dharkins@arubanetwork=
s.com> wrote:















On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin"=
; <93a=
ttendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of
llorenzin@pu=
lsesecure.net> wrote:















I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag a=
nd carrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back) m=
arks me as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential diff=
iculty for a thief - leading pickpockets
 to pass me up for someone who looks like an easier mark.=C2=A0=C2=A0I don&=
#39;t have to outrun the bear...














=C2=A0 There is a wide spectrum of crime between pickpocketing and get=
ting shot.=C2=A0


Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in front is a signal that you got som=
ething


valuable. You are making yourself look like the tastiest morsel for th=
at bear.







=C2=A0 When walking around foreign cities I follow the old saying, =E2=
=80=9Cthe nail that sticks


up gets the hammer.=E2=80=9D I try my best to look local or at least n=
ot so much like


a tourist but even if I do I don=E2=80=99t look like the one to rob=E2=
=80=94 large wallet in pocket,


PacSafe bag cross-body in front of me=E2=80=A6.







=C2=A0 Be safe,







=C2=A0 Dan.



















Regards,


Lisa







-----Original Message-----


From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav N=
ir


Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM


To: Derick Winkworth


Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 
93attendees@ietf.org


Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?











On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 P=
M, Derick Winkworth <derick.winkworth@gmail.com <mailto:derick.winkworth@gmail.com&=
gt;
 > wrote:







Having traveled a bit, and=
 having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortable with the expensive ba=
g with anti-theft features.=C2=A0=C2=A0














So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target=
.







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93attendees mailing list



















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I'm a bit tired of people calling Colombia Columbia. Columbia is not a =
country.
And it's certainly not 'drug stricken'. It's a country that's has =
had a lot of
problems but has improved dramatically. It's a success history=
 for those who
believe that 'drug stricken' countries cannot ever recover.

You are all invited for LACNIC 24 in Bogot=C3=A1, Colombia, which has =
amazing food
and, except for the traffic, is a beautiful city.

And BTW, if you feel insecure in Praga, you haven't been out there in the =
world
much.


On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jan Novak < jnovak@Brocade.=
com [jnovak@Brocade.com] > wrote:
I like these discussions, its like =
travelling into drug-wars stricken Columbia =E2=80=93
just put

your wallet into the inside pocket of your jacket and you will never =
encounter
any

problem J . There are trillions of tourist there at this =
time of the year so you will be
one

out many to spot =E2=80=A6



Jan



From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Luis =
Balbinot
Sent: 17 July 2015 16:44
To: Daniel Harkins
Cc: Derick Winkworth; Ladislav Lhotka; Yoav Nir; 93attendees@ietf.org; =
Carsten
Bormann; Lisa Lorenzin
Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is =
widely used in Czech?



Locals do not use single trip tickets on the =
public transportation system so if
you do you are easily spotted as a =
tourist. The IETF free pass will help, but
warn your companions and/or =
relatives.

Luis

On Jul 10, 2015 6:32 PM, "Daniel Harkins" < =
dharkins@arubanetworks.com [dharkins@arubanetworks.com] > wrote:



On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin" < =
93attendees-bounces@ietf.org [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of =
llorenzin@pulsesecure.net [llorenzin@pulsesecure.net] > wrote:



I see it a little differently; my hope is that wearing a PacSafe bag and
carrying it cross-body in front of me (rather than at my side or back) =
marks me
as someone more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential =
difficulty for a
thief - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone who =
looks like an easier
mark. I don't have to outrun the bear...



There is a wide spectrum of crime between pickpocketing and getting shot.

Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in front is a signal that you got =
something

valuable. You are making yourself look like the tastiest morsel =
for that bear.



When walking around foreign cities I follow the old =
saying, =E2=80=9Cthe nail that
sticks

up gets the hammer.=E2=80=9D I try =
my best to look local or at least not so much like

a tourist but even if I do I don=E2=80=99t look like the one to =
rob=E2=80=94 large wallet in
pocket,

PacSafe bag cross-body in front of =
me=E2=80=A6.



Be safe,



Dan.





Regards,

Lisa



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From: 93attendees [ mailto:93attendees-bounces@=
ietf.org [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] ] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM

To: Derick Winkworth

Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka; 93attendees@ietf.org =
[93attendees@ietf.org]

Subject: Re: [93attendees] what currency is widely =
used in Czech?





On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth < derick.=
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winkworth@gmail.com [derick.winkworth@gmail.com] > > wrote:



Having traveled a bit, and having been robbed before, I'm quite comfortable=
 with
the expensive bag with anti-theft features.





So have I, but I think a bag like that marks you as a potential target.



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I'm a bit tired of people calling Colombia Columbia. =
Columbia is not a country. And it's certainly not 'drug stricken'. It's a =
country that's has had a lot of problems but has improved dramatically. =
It's a success history for those who believe that 'drug stricken' countries=
 cannot ever recover. 


You are all invited for LACNIC 24=
 in Bogotá, Colombia, which has amazing food and, except for the =
traffic, is a beautiful city. 


And BTW, if you feel =
insecure in Praga, you haven't been out there in the world  much. 



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jan Novak <jnovak@Brocade.com> =
wrote:











I like these =
discussions, its like travelling into drug-wars stricken Columbia =E2=80=93=
 just put


your wallet into the inside pocket of your jacket and you =
will never encounter any


problem
J. There are trillions of tourist there at this
 time of the year so you will be one 


out many to =
spot =E2=80=A6


 


Jan=



 


From: 93attendees =
[mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Luis Balbinot

Sent: 17 July 2015 16:44

To: Daniel Harkins

Cc: Derick Winkworth; Ladislav Lhotka; Yoav Nir; 93attendees@ietf.=
org; Carsten Bormann; Lisa Lorenzin

Subject: Re: [93attendees] =
what currency is widely used in Czech?


 


Locals do not use single trip tickets on =
the public transportation system so if you do you are easily spotted as a =
tourist. The IETF free pass will help, but warn your companions and/or =
relatives.


Luis




On Jul 10, 2015 =
6:32 PM, "Daniel Harkins" <dharkins@arubanetworks.com> wrote:








 








On 7/10/15, 8:40 AM, "93attendees on =
behalf of Lisa Lorenzin" <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on
 behalf of llorenzin@pulsesecure.net>=
 wrote:








 












I see it a little differently; my hope =
is that wearing a PacSafe bag and carrying it cross-body in front of me =
(rather than at my side or back) marks me as someone
 more aware of the issue - and thus higher potential difficulty for a thief=
 - leading pickpockets to pass me up for someone who looks like an easier =
mark.  I don't have to outrun the bear...












 






  There is a wide spectrum of =
crime between pickpocketing and getting shot. 






Wearing a PacSafe bag cross-body in =
front is a signal that you got something






valuable. You are making yourself look =
like the tastiest morsel for that bear.






 






  When walking around foreign =
cities I follow the old saying, =E2=80=9Cthe nail that sticks






up gets the =
hammer.=E2=80=9D I try my best to look local or at least not so much =
like






a tourist but even if I do I don=E2=80=99t look =
like the one to rob=E2=80=94 large wallet in pocket,






PacSafe bag =
cross-body in front of me=E2=80=A6.






 






  Be safe,






 






  Dan.






 












 





Regards,=







Lisa





 





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From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav =
Nir






Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 11:36 AM






To: Derick =
Winkworth






Cc: Carsten Bormann; Ladislav Lhotka;
93attendees@ietf.org






Subject: Re: =
[93attendees] what currency is widely used in Czech?






 





 





On Jul 10, 2015=
, at 5:03 PM, Derick Winkworth <derick.winkworth@gmail.com <mailto:derick.winkworth@gmail.com>
 > wrote:






 






Having traveled a bit, and having been =
robbed before, I'm quite comfortable with the expensive bag with anti-theft=
 features.  






 






 






So have I, but I think a bag like that =
marks you as a potential target.






 






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Subject: 	Czech Republic: Prague: Avoid pro-, anti-immigration rallies in Wenceslas Square on 18 July


*Czech Republic: Prague: Avoid pro-, anti-immigration rallies in Wenceslas Square on 18 July*

Members in the capital Prague on *18 July* should avoid various gatherings by rival groups over immigration issues. A
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I have encountered both a bill that had stamped SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED and
a spoken question when I swiped my credit card, "did you want to add
anything? like service?" and I've only been here two days...

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson 
wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:
>
>  In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill.
>>
>
> I have been told by locals that a lot of places are trying to bring in a
> "tipping culture" here. So lots of places will say "service not included",
> or even give you a hand-written note that adds 10% to the bill for a new
> total. The locals also say that historically, there wasn't much tipping in
> Prague, and some feel that the restaurants are trying to trick tourists to
> tip.
>
> He said historically things were generally just rounded up. He also said
> there is a youtube group (?) shaming restaurants that try to trick tourists
> to tip a lot or add 10% service fee.
>
> Also, do not use the http://www.hopon-hopoff.cz/ . It's a total ripoff,
> bad service, bad buses, read tripadvisor reviews of it (50% has given it
> the lowest score). I noticed too late unfortunately.
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I have encountered both a bill that had stamped SERVICE IS=
 NOT INCLUDED and a spoken question when I swiped my credit card, "did=
 you want to add anything? like service?" and I've only been here =
two days...

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson &=
lt;swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
On =
Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:





In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill.





I have been told by locals that a lot of places are trying to bring in a &q=
uot;tipping culture" here. So lots of places will say "service no=
t included", or even give you a hand-written note that adds 10% to the=
 bill for a new total. The locals also say that historically, there wasn=
9;t much tipping in Prague, and some feel that the restaurants are trying t=
o trick tourists to tip.



He said historically things were generally just rounded up. He also said th=
ere is a youtube group (?) shaming restaurants that try to trick tourists t=
o tip a lot or add 10% service fee.



Also, do not use the http://www.hopon-hopoff.cz/ . It's a total r=
ipoff, bad service, bad buses, read tripadvisor reviews of it (50% has give=
n it the lowest score). I noticed too late unfortunately.



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At 4:10 PM +0000 7/17/15, Jan Novak wrote:

>  just put
>  your wallet into the inside pocket of your jacket and you will 
> never encounter any
>  problem J.

What about people who don't wear jackets (especially in the heat)? 
Maybe we need a line of tank-tops with inside pockets?


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The owner of the laundry confirmed that the normal turn-around time 
is "up to 24 hours" but depends on the amount of laundry.

At 11:53 AM -0700 7/14/15, Randall Gellens wrote:

>  Hi Ralph (and anyone else interested),
>
>  I've emailed the laundry owner directly to try and nail down the 
> turnaround time, but I suspect it depends on how busy he is and if 
> the customer expresses a need for same-day, next-day, or 2nd-day 
> service.
>
>  At 1:27 PM -0400 7/14/15, Ralph Droms wrote:
>
>>   Randall - Thanks for passing along that information.  Was there 
>> any guarantee of next day delivery?
>>
>>   - Ralph
>>
>>>   On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:19 AM 7/14/15, Randall Gellens 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>   I have confirmed with the concierge that there is a local 
>>> laundry service that will pickup and deliver laundry, and charge 
>>> by the kilo:
>>>
>>>   Pradelna Laundry-express charge per kilos
>>>
>>>   LAUNDRY DELIVERY
>>>
>>>   Personal laundry 0,0 - 0,5 kg	290,-
>>>   Personal laundry 0,5 - 2,0 kg	450,-
>>>   Personal laundry 2,0 - 4,0 kg	 650,-
>>>   Personal laundry 4,0 - 6,0 kg	 800,-
>>>   Personal laundry 6,0 - 8,0 kg        950,-
>>>
>>>   Costs include washing, ironing (except for shirts - 1pc 20 CZK 
>>> and other complex pieces - dresses, suits etc. based on 
>>> agreement) and delivery service.
>>>   Prices are final. Do not pay VAT.
>>>
>>>   Laundry pick up and delivery is available daily from 9 am to 7 
>>> pm. Delivery time depends on guests` needs and frequency of 
>>> orders.
>>>
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Speaking as a idividual, living in Prague - I do tipping about 10% if I'm sa=
tisfied with the service.

MK




> On 17. 7. 2015, at 21:34, Michael Jenkins  wro=
te:
>=20
> I have encountered both a bill that had stamped SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED an=
d a spoken question when I swiped my credit card, "did you want to add anyth=
ing? like service?" and I've only been here two days...
>=20
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson  wr=
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>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:
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>>> In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill.
>>=20
>> I have been told by locals that a lot of places are trying to bring in a "=
tipping culture" here. So lots of places will say "service not included", or=
 even give you a hand-written note that adds 10% to the bill for a new total=
. The locals also say that historically, there wasn't much tipping in Prague=
, and some feel that the restaurants are trying to trick tourists to tip.
>>=20
>> He said historically things were generally just rounded up. He also said t=
here is a youtube group (?) shaming restaurants that try to trick tourists t=
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>>=20
>> Also, do not use the http://www.hopon-hopoff.cz/ . It's a total ripoff, b=
ad service, bad buses, read tripadvisor reviews of it (50% has given it the l=
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MK




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> On Jul 15, 2015, at 1:13 AM, Randall Gellens =
 wrote:
>=20
> The laundry service is independent and will pick-up/drop-off anywhere =
in their service area. See http://www.laundry-express.cz/en

For the record - I got some translation help from a hotel employee. I =
was very amused.

The price list says that they do washing, mangling, and several other =
services. "Mangling" is the translation of "Mandlov=C3=A1n=C3=AD" (from =
the Czech version of the site). The lady I asked didn't know the =
translation and looked it up on her translation app on her phone - it =
came up "mangling" there as well.

It turns out that the word means "ironing" or "pressing".

For those for whom English is not a first language, "mangling" in my =
dictionary is "to severely mutilate, disfigure or damage by cutting, =
tearing, or crushing". It comes from the same Norman root as "to maim".

I'm pretty sure that the service doesn't intend to maim the laundry :-)



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On 7/18/15 8:31 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
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>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 1:13 AM, Randall Gellens
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The laundry service is independent and will pick-up/drop-off
>> anywhere in their service area. See
>> http://www.laundry-express.cz/en
> 
> For the record - I got some translation help from a hotel employee.
> I was very amused.
> 
> The price list says that they do washing, mangling, and several
> other services. "Mangling" is the translation of "Mandlovn" (from
> the Czech version of the site). The lady I asked didn't know the
> translation and looked it up on her translation app on her phone -
> it came up "mangling" there as well.
> 
> It turns out that the word means "ironing" or "pressing".

A "mangle" was a machine which presses clothing between rollers. we
would think of them as the pre-dryer "wringer". this is dutch/german,
earlier it was a siege engine.


> For those for whom English is not a first language, "mangling" in
> my dictionary is "to severely mutilate, disfigure or damage by
> cutting, tearing, or crushing". It comes from the same Norman root
> as "to maim".
> 
> I'm pretty sure that the service doesn't intend to maim the laundry
> :-)

They hope flatten it, hopefully their tooling is somewhat more modern
or mangled is a likely outcome.

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Hi there.  For reasons which can be described as "Easyjet sucks 
tremendously," I am not arriving this weekend.

I have a hotel room reserved at the Hilton for Friday & Saturday.  The 
cancellation policy says that I have to pay for it both nights, whether 
I use it or not.  My rate is about 129 Euros/night.

If anyone can use it, let me know.  Right now it's a total loss, so I'd 
be happy to get almost anything for it.

jms

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On 7/17/15 9:51 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 4:10 PM +0000 7/17/15, Jan Novak wrote:
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>> just put your wallet into the inside pocket of your jacket and
>> you will never encounter any problem J.
> 
> What about people who don't wear jackets (especially in the heat)?
> Maybe we need a line of tank-tops with inside pockets?

http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/subindex_mens.shtml#polos

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If you are really worried, T-shirts with hidden inside pockets=8A.and more
at 


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On 7/17/15, 12:51 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Randall Gellens"
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>At 4:10 PM +0000 7/17/15, Jan Novak wrote:
>
>>  just put
>>  your wallet into the inside pocket of your jacket and you will
>> never encounter any
>>  problem J.
>
>What about people who don't wear jackets (especially in the heat)?
>Maybe we need a line of tank-tops with inside pockets?
>
>
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It seems that many of the "ATMs" in the Airport are actually
multicurrency exchange machines operated by TravelEx, and don't give as
good a rate as you should be able to get from the real bank machines
that are also available post security.

The one I tried yesterday offered me CZK at around 0.0285 GBP per CZK
compared to a current bank rate of 0.0257

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Dear all,
    Does the IETF conference wifi network have a firewall?
Thanks
Xiao 


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Xiao,

No--there is no firewall, and we're using our own public address space.

Chris.

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Xiao,

No--there is no firewall, and we&=
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Xiao,
	To facilitate open communication and protocol development =
on-the-fly, we provide public globally routable IPv4 and IPv6 addresses =
on all of our networks, conference, public-space and guest-room. There =
is no filtering at all, in general, with a few specific exceptions to =
protect management interfaces of network infrastructure gear, and other =
limited exceptions where it is necessitated by the network architecture =
(in the case of Prague, this is just a limited set of the wired =
connections in the guest rooms in the Hilton).

	- Jim

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I used a Travelex machine before I saw the other machines. It offered an 
option withdraw USD (letting travelex do the exchange) or to directly 
withdraw CSK. I assumed (as an educated guess) that the second would be 
the better option.

On 18 Jul 2015, at 11:21, Ray Bellis wrote:

> It seems that many of the "ATMs" in the Airport are actually
> multicurrency exchange machines operated by TravelEx, and don't give 
> as
> good a rate as you should be able to get from the real bank machines
> that are also available post security.
>
> The one I tried yesterday offered me CZK at around 0.0285 GBP per CZK
> compared to a current bank rate of 0.0257
>
> Ray
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On 18/07/2015 12:47, Ben Campbell wrote:
> I used a Travelex machine before I saw the other machines. It offered an
> option withdraw USD (letting travelex do the exchange) or to directly
> withdraw CSK. I assumed (as an educated guess) that the second would be
> the better option.

As far as I can recall, I wasn't offered the former, and the relatively
poor exchange rate I saw on-screen was based on the latter.

[that is, having recognised that my card is a GBP card, it "helpfully"
told me what the expected cost of the withdrawal would be].

Ray


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On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Ben Campbell wrote:

> I used a Travelex machine before I saw the other machines. It offered an 
> option withdraw USD (letting travelex do the exchange) or to directly 
> withdraw CSK. I assumed (as an educated guess) that the second would be 
> the better option.

That's what I did as well, and it showed up on my account in CZK, which my 
bank converted for me at a good rate.

Whenever someone in a foreign (to you) offers to convert to your local 
currency "for your convenience", just say no. They usually try to rip you 
off at 5-10% of the transaction.

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Hello all, having arrived yesterday, here are a few things to have in mind:

Currency: if you exchange at a travelex counter, the comission is around
12%. I recommend changing only 4 dollars or so in order to get the ticket
for public transportation. If that is your means of transportation.

Transportation: I took the AE bus on terminal 1 which arrives right on
time. It comes in every 30 minutes, and got in time for the 9pm bus.  Use
those 60 CZK you got previously, to buy the ticket from the driver. Be sure
to be dropped off near Palladium Mall, and from there the walk is about
900m to the Hilton Hotel. The view is great.

Pickpockets: on the AE bus there were not too many people. On the streets I
was careful but no need to be paranoic as I thought I had to be. But dont
keet anything in back pockets, just ot be safe.

ATM: Once you arrive at the Palladium Mall there are plenty atms run by
banks: Unicard, RB, CSOB, etc..

Hope it helps!

2015-07-09 1:52 GMT-04:30 Weixinpeng (Jackie) :

>  Hi all,
>
> Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech koruna,
> Euro or both?
>
> ThanksJ
>
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Hello all, having arrived yesterd=
ay, here are a few things to have in mind:

Currency:
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recommend changing only 4 dollars or so in order to get the ticket for=20
public transportation. If that is your means of transportation.

Transportation:
 I took the AE bus on terminal 1 which arrives right on time. It comes=20
in every 30 minutes, and got in time for the 9pm bus.=C2=A0 Use those 60 CZ=
K=20
you got previously, to buy the ticket from the driver. Be sure to be=20
dropped off near Palladium Mall, and from there the walk is about 900m=20
to the Hilton Hotel. The view is great.

Pickpockets: on the
 AE bus there were not too many people. On the streets I was careful but
 no need to be paranoic as I thought I had to be. But dont keet anything
 in back pockets, just ot be safe.

ATM: Once you arrive at the=
 Palladium Mall there are plenty atms run by banks: Unicard, RB, CSOB, etc.=
.

Hope it helps!

2015-07-09 1:52 GMT-04:30 Weixinpeng (Jackie) <wei=
xinpeng@huawei.com>:











Hi all,<=
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Could somebody tell me what c=
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> That's what I did as well, and it showed up on my account in CZK, which m=
y
> bank converted for me at a good rate.

+1, and in Terminal 2 (Schengen arrivals, from most places in Europe), ther=
e
are about half a dozen real bank ATMs outside customs after exiting baggage
claim (exit near claim 4, turn right).

> Whenever someone in a foreign (to you) offers to convert to your local
> currency "for your convenience", just say no. They usually try to rip you
> off at 5-10% of the transaction.

I used a CS (Ceska Sporitelna) machine (judging by their logo, CS appears
to be the local analog of the German Sparkasse), and got a good rate of
USD 0.04024/CZK  after declining their offer to convert to USD at about
0.04375/CZK.

Thanks,
--David

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> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Ben Campbell wrote:
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> > I used a Travelex machine before I saw the other machines. It offered a=
n
> > option withdraw USD (letting travelex do the exchange) or to directly
> > withdraw CSK. I assumed (as an educated guess) that the second would be
> > the better option.
>=20
> That's what I did as well, and it showed up on my account in CZK, which m=
y
> bank converted for me at a good rate.
>=20
> Whenever someone in a foreign (to you) offers to convert to your local
> currency "for your convenience", just say no. They usually try to rip you
> off at 5-10% of the transaction.
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I can't go to social, so if anyone is looking for a social ticket I
can sell mine.

The tricky part is that I can't even attend the meeting and can't hand
out the ticket.  All I can do is to tell the "winner" my order number
to negotiate the transfer at the registration desk.  For the same
reason I'd prefer someone I already know.  Please let me know if
someone is still interested.

(I'll be only intermittently online in the following 24 hours or so,
so please forgive me if I don't post an update soon).

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On 7/18/15 1:41 PM, Hector Prada wrote:
> Hello all, having arrived yesterday, here are a few things to have in 
> mind:
>
> Currency: if you exchange at a travelex counter, the comission is 
> around 12%. I recommend changing only 4 dollars or so in order to get 
> the ticket for public transportation. If that is your means of 
> transportation.
The office that sells the tickets for public transit takes credit cards; 
in fact they prefer that over the large bills you get from the ATM machines.
Bus 119 plus the metro was a breeze and very quick. Runs every 10 
minutes I think.
And since the metro is deep down in bedrock in Prague there is natural 
airconditioning which was nice today.

    Erik

>
> Transportation: I took the AE bus on terminal 1 which arrives right on 
> time. It comes in every 30 minutes, and got in time for the 9pm bus.  
> Use those 60 CZK you got previously, to buy the ticket from the 
> driver. Be sure to be dropped off near Palladium Mall, and from there 
> the walk is about 900m to the Hilton Hotel. The view is great.
>
> Pickpockets: on the AE bus there were not too many people. On the 
> streets I was careful but no need to be paranoic as I thought I had to 
> be. But dont keet anything in back pockets, just ot be safe.
>
> ATM: Once you arrive at the Palladium Mall there are plenty atms run 
> by banks: Unicard, RB, CSOB, etc..
>
> Hope it helps!
>
> 2015-07-09 1:52 GMT-04:30 Weixinpeng (Jackie)  >:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Could somebody tell me what currency should I take with me, Czech
>     koruna, Euro or both?
>
>     ThanksJ
>
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> Hello,
> 	The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance (both =
honors and ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew here sent a note =
suggesting the wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet =
in length, and the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone located a =
place near the hotel where I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet =
cable?
>=20
> Thanks
> Sarah
>=20


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On 17/07/2015 14:18, Petr Spacek wrote:
> On 17.7.2015 14:31, John Dowdell wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> It's just been brought to my attention that there are rival political rallies
>> scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday 18 July in Wenceslas Square.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-capital-won-t-allow-second-demonstration-against-xenophobia-because-of-timing-clash-with-anti-immigrant-event
> 
> I would like to mention that Czech 'rallies' are usually quite calm.
> 
> You can see and hear people gathering and walking across the city but that is
> it. Police does not fire into people etc. :-)
> 

I walked past them - twice - this afternoon.  Lots of speaking and
cheering - and two groups waving banners and separated by a line of
police.  It didn't feel tense.  The tourists stood (or sat, with food at
nearby restaurants) around and watched.


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Www.alza.cz - open Sundays, delivers to the hotel

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On 18. 7. 2015, at 21:22, Sarah Banks  wrote:

>>=20
>> Hello,
>>    The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance (both honors=
 and ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew here sent a note suggestin=
g the wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet in length, and=
 the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone located a place near the hote=
l where I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet cable?
>>=20
>> Thanks
>> Sarah
>=20
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> On Jul 18, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Banks  =
wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> Hello,
>> 	The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance (both =
honors and ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew here sent a note =
suggesting the wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet =
in length, and the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone located a =
place near the hotel where I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet =
cable?
>>=20
>> Thanks
>> Sarah

I have exactly the same problem

Lixia


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Hi everybody,

just to let you know, the experiment that we have announced earlier will 
_not_ take place. No data has been collected nor will any data be 
collected anytime during the meeting for reasons of legal uncertainty 
regarding data protection and privacy law.

I would nevertheles like to thank Jari Arkko, Chris Elliott, Ray 
Pelletier and all the other people involved helping out in this matter. 
Very much appreciated!

Best,

Rolf


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On 7/18/15 9:34 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Banks  
>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Hello, The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal
>>> performance (both honors and ietf-hotel),

those are in fact the same AP(s)

if you would side-channel the rooms to the noc via:

https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/

that would be helpful respecting trouble shooting.

>>> and I see that the network crew here sent a note suggesting the
>>> wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet in
>>> length, and the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone
>>> located a place near the hotel where I might acquire a
>>> reasonably long ethernet cable?

the local branches of aza.cz seem plausible there are two within
walking distance, I haven't been on this trip.

https://www.google.cz/maps/dir/Hilton+Prague,+Praha+86/Alza.cz+a.s.,+Jat
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>>> Thanks Sarah
> 
> I have exactly the same problem
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If you need a longer Ethernet cable, I am sure the NOC will be
able to lend you one. Try via the ticket email or ask the staff
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I've connected an Asus pocket router and have strong wifi. $35 Amazon. 

Ray

> On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
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> 
> If you need a longer Ethernet cable, I am sure the NOC will be
> able to lend you one. Try via the ticket email or ask the staff
> in the terminal room.
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> Ole
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Ali express has useful alternatives for $10-15 depending on desired 
features.  Keep 1 perminantly in my travel bag....


On July 18, 2015 5:10:13 PM Ray Pelletier  wrote:

> All
> I've connected an Asus pocket router and have strong wifi. $35 Amazon.
>
> Ray
>
> > On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you need a longer Ethernet cable, I am sure the NOC will be
> > able to lend you one. Try via the ticket email or ask the staff
> > in the terminal room.
> >
> > Ole
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Mark Nottingham  wrote
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| Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress
| Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.

Thanks for making this happen.



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... if you happen to have it, or if you are willing to sell a spare,
just let me know.

thanks!

-Carlos


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Hello,
	The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance (both =
honors and ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew here sent a note =
suggesting the wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet =
in length, and the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone located a =
place near the hotel where I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet =
cable?

Thanks
Sarah


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Morning All!

Just realized I forgot it:


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At the risk of repeating myself: Ask the NOC to lend you a cable.

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> On 18 Jul 2015, at 21:17, Sarah Banks  wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>    The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance (both honors a=
nd ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew here sent a note suggesting t=
he wired network. In my room at least, the cable is 2 feet in length, and th=
e front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone located a place near the hotel w=
here I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet cable?
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At the risk of repeating myself: Ask t=
he NOC to lend you a cable.

Ole J. Jacob=
sen
Editor & Publisher
The Internet Protocol Journal
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15 370-4628
docomo: (090) 3337 9311
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Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul 2015, at 21:1=
7, Sarah Banks <sarah.banks@gmai=
l.com> wrote:

Hello=
,
    The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysma=
l performance (both honors and ietf-hotel), and I see that the network crew h=
ere sent a note suggesting the wired network. In my room at least, the cable=
 is 2 feet in length, and the front desk has nothing longer. Has anyone loca=
ted a place near the hotel where I might acquire a reasonably long ethernet c=
able?

Thanks
Sarah
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And ensure that the cable you get has the flexible plastic clips on it.
The cable I carry around with me has long ago lost its little clips,
and will not stay in place in the socket on the desk.

Regards
   Brian

On 19/07/2015 18:14, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
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>> Hello,
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There was a cable in the desk in my room. so look for it or =
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Hello,
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   The wifi network on the 7th floor has abysmal performance =
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Correction =E2=80=94 we've been moved to Congress Hall II.

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I have a spare ticket for the social event to sell. Just drop me a line
or talk to me in person at the welcome reception if you are interested.

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Olaf Bergmann  writes:

> I have a spare ticket for the social event to sell. Just drop me a line
> or talk to me in person at the welcome reception if you are interested.

Taken, sorry.

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Hi,

It is interesting to see a movie about privacy aspects.

What does 'screening' mean - we see the entire movie or just excerpts?

Is it a documentary or a fiction?

I think this will be the first time a movie is projected during an IETF=20
meeting(?)

Alex

Le 18/07/2015 14:40, Mark Nottingham a =E9crit :
> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress =
Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.
>
>    https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>
> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks, =
and see you there!
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
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    Hi,

      

      It is interesting to see a movie about privacy aspects.

      

      What does 'screening' mean - we see the entire movie or just
      excerpts?

      

      Is it a documentary or a fiction?

      

      I think this will be the first time a movie is projected during an
      IETF meeting(?)

      

      Alex

      

    Le 18/07/2015 14:40, Mark Nottingham a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZ=
ENFOUR in Congress Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome recept=
ion.

  https://citizenfourfilm.com/

We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks=
, and see you there!

--
Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/




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A part from my CPAP (for sleep apnea) fell off as I was packing and last
night was rather awful without it.  Seems unlikely but I wonder if anyone
is traveling with an extra part.  Looks like this
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Hi,

Reading the string in that URL... a similar double rally was held=20
yesterday in Australia(!).

Is this a worldwide event?

Alex

Le 17/07/2015 15:18, Petr Spacek a =E9crit :
> On 17.7.2015 14:31, John Dowdell wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> It's just been brought to my attention that there are rival political =
rallies
>> scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday 18 July in Wenceslas Square.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-capital-won-t-allow-second-dem=
onstration-against-xenophobia-because-of-timing-clash-with-anti-immigrant=
-event
> I would like to mention that Czech 'rallies' are usually quite calm.
>
> You can see and hear people gathering and walking across the city but t=
hat is
> it. Police does not fire into people etc. :-)
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    Hi,

      

      Reading the string in that URL... a similar double rally was held
      yesterday in Australia(!).

      

      Is this a worldwide event?

      

      Alex

      

    Le 17/07/2015 15:18, Petr Spacek a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
On 17.7.2015 14:31, John Dowdell wrote:


      

        
Hi all

It's just been brought to my attention that there are rival political ral=
lies
scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday 18 July in Wenceslas Square.

See
http://www.romea.cz/en/ne=
ws/czech/czech-capital-won-t-allow-second-demonstration-against-xenophobi=
a-because-of-timing-clash-with-anti-immigrant-event


      

      
I would like to mention that Czech 'rallies' are usually quite calm.

You can see and hear people gathering and walking across the city but tha=
t is
it. Police does not fire into people etc. :-)



    

    

  


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It's a documentary that you need to see if you care about privacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenfour

'Screening' in English just means that they are showing the whole movie
on a screen. In this case, it probably also means that the NSA will be
screening your email for your comments on the movie.

You also need to see the equivalent documentary about pervasive surveilla=
nce
by commerical companies, if you get the chance: "Terms and Conditions May=
 Apply"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084953/

Regards
   Brian

On 19/07/2015 23:22, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> It is interesting to see a movie about privacy aspects.
>=20
> What does 'screening' mean - we see the entire movie or just excerpts?
>=20
> Is it a documentary or a fiction?
>=20
> I think this will be the first time a movie is projected during an IETF=
 meeting(?)
>=20
> Alex
>=20
> Le 18/07/2015 14:40, Mark Nottingham a =C3=A9crit :
>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress=
 Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.
>>
>>    https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>>
>> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks,=
 and see you there!
>>
>> --=20
>> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
>>
>>
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It's been recovered. Thank you very much to all!

On 7/19/15 2:12 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
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Speaking of which, is anyone doing a =E2=80=9Ccharger cable=E2=80=9D =
swap this meeting? I have three extra US Apple Laptop power cords, which =
I=E2=80=99d like to swap with Euro and perhaps UK cord (just the cord, =
not the adapter).

Cheers,

=E2=80=94 leif


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Does anyone know what internet service is included in the IETF room block
at the continental?  The IETF web page says "guest-room high-speed wireless
Internet access."

What you actually get is ~1 mbit service, with the ability to purchase 5
mbits for 790 cz per day.  There's ethernet in the hotel room, but that
requires purchasing the 5 mbit service.

At check-in I was told the premium service is *not* included, but I thought
that was worth confirming.

Stephen

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Does anyone know what internet =
service is included in the IETF room block at the continental?=C2=A0 The IE=
TF web page says "guest-room high-sp=
eed wireless Internet access."
=

What you actually get is ~1 mbit servi=
ce, with the ability to purchase 5 mbits for 790 cz per day.=C2=A0 There=
9;s ethernet in the hotel room, but that requires purchasing the 5 mbit ser=
vice.

=
At check-in I was told the premium service is not included, but I th=
ought that was worth confirming.

=

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usually, it is in the hotel venue that is included. Sometimes, the 
secretariat does negotiate deals for other hotels, but my understanding 
is that it is not always.

Marc.

On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:40, Stephen Botzko wrote:

> Does anyone know what internet service is included in the IETF room 
> block
> at the continental?  The IETF web page says "guest-room high-speed 
> wireless
> Internet access."
>
> What you actually get is ~1 mbit service, with the ability to purchase 
> 5
> mbits for 790 cz per day.  There's ethernet in the hotel room, but 
> that
> requires purchasing the 5 mbit service.
>
> At check-in I was told the premium service is *not* included, but I 
> thought
> that was worth confirming.
>
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There is also a grocery store, drug store, coffee shop, shoe store, O2 =
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Very convenient to the hotel.

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>>>usually, it is in the hotel venue that is included.
I do understand that the IETF doesn't take over the overflow hotel network.

The "high speed internet included" statement is made on the IETF web page
for the Intercontinental. That's rather vague, so I was wondering exactly
what was negotiated.

Stephen


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> usually, it is in the hotel venue that is included. Sometimes, the
> secretariat does negotiate deals for other hotels, but my understanding is
> that it is not always.
>
> Marc.
>
> On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:40, Stephen Botzko wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know what internet service is included in the IETF room block
>> at the continental?  The IETF web page says "guest-room high-speed
>> wireless
>> Internet access."
>>
>> What you actually get is ~1 mbit service, with the ability to purchase 5
>> mbits for 790 cz per day.  There's ethernet in the hotel room, but that
>> requires purchasing the 5 mbit service.
>>
>> At check-in I was told the premium service is *not* included, but I
>> thought
>> that was worth confirming.
>>
>> Stephen
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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>>>usually, it is in the hotel venue that is incl=
uded.
I do understand that the IETF doesn't take over the overflow =
hotel network.

The "high speed internet in=
cluded" statement is made on the IETF web page for the Intercontinenta=
l. That's rather vague, so I was wondering exactly what was negotiated.=
 =C2=A0

Stephen=C2=A0


On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:43 AM, =
Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote:
=

usually, it is in the hotel venue that is included. Someti=
mes, the secretariat does negotiate deals for other hotels, but my understa=
nding is that it is not always.



Marc.



On 19 Jul 2015, at 15:40, Stephen Botzko wrote:





Does anyone know what internet service is included in the IETF room block
at the continental?=C2=A0 The IETF web page says "guest-room high-spee=
d wireless

Internet access."



What you actually get is ~1 mbit service, with the ability to purchase 5
mbits for 790 cz per day.=C2=A0 There's ethernet in the hotel room, but=
 that

requires purchasing the 5 mbit service.



At check-in I was told the premium service is *not* included, but I thought=


that was worth confirming.



Stephen

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Problem solved.  Many thanks to those who offered to help!

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Aaron Falk  wrote:

> A part from my CPAP (for sleep apnea) fell off as I was packing and last
> night was rather awful without it.  Seems unlikely but I wonder if anyone
> is traveling with an extra part.  Looks like this
> .
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Problem solved.=C2=A0 Many thanks to those who offered to =
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y CPAP (for sleep apnea) fell off as I was packing and last night was rathe=
r awful without it.=C2=A0 Seems unlikely but I wonder if anyone is travelin=
g with an extra part.=C2=A0 Looks like this.

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It's been sold (sorry for the belated update).

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM, =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89  wrote:
> I can't go to social, so if anyone is looking for a social ticket I
> can sell mine.
>
> The tricky part is that I can't even attend the meeting and can't hand
> out the ticket.  All I can do is to tell the "winner" my order number
> to negotiate the transfer at the registration desk.  For the same
> reason I'd prefer someone I already know.  Please let me know if
> someone is still interested.
>
> (I'll be only intermittently online in the following 24 hours or so,
> so please forgive me if I don't post an update soon).
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The AAA booth was there at Arrivals but she indicated to just go outside =

and take a taxi.

In the taxi I asked for "whyphy" and I was not understood, so I=20
pronounced French "ouifi" and he understood.  He then took his LG=20
smartphone, launched an app.  The ESSID was "Alpha541".  He then called=20
a dispatcher, asked for a wifi key, and gave me that key verbally -=20
"aaa14014".  I got an IPv4 address only (192.smthing) and no IPv6=20
address.  54mbit/s.

I am not happy he manipulated the smartphone while driving - this is a=20
huge security risk.

google was unfortunately not reachable, as no other Internet site.  I=20
guess the app on the LG phone had some problem.

But I am happy WiFi is at least advertised to work in this taxi company.

Alex

Le 15/07/2015 14:40, Christer Holmberg a =E9crit :
>
> Hi,
>
> The following company offers shared shuttles and private transports:
>
> http://www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/
>
> The price for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, =

> about 20 EUR, per car. When you book, you can chose whether you=92ll pa=
y=20
> to the driver, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).
>
> According to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they=20
> provide Wi-Fi in the cars (I could not find any information about=20
> whether it=92s IPv6, though :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
> *From:*93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of =

> *Robert Moskowitz
> *Sent:* 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07
> *To:* shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush
> *Cc:* Randall Gellens; attendees
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague
>
> On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
>
>     On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque      > wrote:
>
>     On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush      > wrote:
>
>     > On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>     >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be
>     charged to
>     >>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually ear=
ns
>     >>> Hilton points.
>     >>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com
>      with your
>     >>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900
>     CZK or US
>     >>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>     >> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>     >> to town.
>     >
>     > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???
>
>     hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.=20
>     take a
>     metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the
>     'sharing'
>     exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.
>
>     You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others
>     have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton
>     Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US
>     $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of
>     the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.
>
>     http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/
>
>     Shumon Huque.
>
>     Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about
>     19,90 CZK/km ...
>
>
> And how far is it?
>
> I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short=20
> cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally =

> backed up.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed=20
> into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both=20
> ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on=20
> that drive!  Also did make my flight.
>
>
>
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    The AAA booth was there at Arrivals but sh=
e
      indicated to just go outside and take a taxi.

      

      In the taxi I asked for "whyphy" and I was not understood, so I
      pronounced French "ouifi" and he understood.=A0 He then took his LG=

      smartphone, launched an app.=A0 The ESSID was "Alpha541".=A0 He the=
n
      called a dispatcher, asked for a wifi key, and gave me that key
      verbally - "aaa14014".=A0 I got an IPv4 address only (192.smthing)
      and no IPv6 address.=A0 54mbit/s.

      

      I am not happy he manipulated the smartphone while driving - this
      is a huge security risk.

      

      google was unfortunately not reachable, as no other Internet
      site.=A0 I guess the app on the LG phone had some problem.

      

      But I am happy WiFi is at least advertised to work in this taxi
      company.

      

      Alex

      

    Le 15/07/2015 14:40, Christer Holmberg a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
      
      
      

        
Hi,

        
=A0

        
The following company offers shared shuttles
            and private transports:

        
=A0

        
http://=
www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/

        
=A0

        
The price for a private car from the airport t=
o
            the Hilton is CZK 550, about 20 EUR, per car. When you book,
            you can chose whether you=92ll pay to the driver, or on-line
            (using credit card or PayPal).

        
=A0

        
According to their website, all drivers speak
            English - AND they provide Wi-Fi in the cars (I could not
            find any information about whether it=92s IPv6, though :)

        
=A0

        
Regards,

        
=A0

        
Christer

        
=A0

        

          

            
From: 93attendees [mail=
to:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
                On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz

                Sent: 14. hein=E4kuuta 2015 0:07

                To: shuque@gmail.com;
                Randy Bush

                Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees

                Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services
                in Prague

          

        

        
=A0=


        
=A0

        

          
On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque
            wrote:

        

        

          

            

              

                
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM,
                  Shumon Huque <sh=
uque@gmail.com>

                  wrote:

                

                  

                    

                      
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28=

                        PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>

                        wrote:

                      
>

                        On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

                        >>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi
                        service, which can be charged to

                        >>> your room folio.=A0 Depending on how=

                        it's coded, this usually earns

                        >>> Hilton points.

                        >>>>=A0 =A0Folks, you can send an e-m=
ail
                        to  taxi.prague@hilton.com
                        with your

                        >>>>=A0 =A0flight info and they will
                        meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US

                        >>>>=A0 =A0$36 EUR 33. Well worth it =
if
                        you have luggage.

                        >> it takes considerable effort to find a
                        higher priced way to get

                        >> to town.

                        >

                        > Meaning, there are a number of lower priced
                        ways???

                        

                        hotel taxis are expensive, often the most
                        expensive, transport.=A0 take a

                        metered taxi.=A0 or, if you are happy to rip off
                        drivers in the 'sharing'

                        exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.=


                      

                        
=A0

                      

                      

                        
You can check prices at AA=
A
                          taxi's website (the company others have
                          mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport
                          and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of
                          401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's
                          exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2
                          of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.

                      

                      

                        
=A0

                      

                      
                      

                        
=A0

                      

                      

                        
Shumon

                            Huque.

                      

                      

                        
=A0

                      

                    

                  

                

              

              
=A0

            

            

              
Although, I just noticed, there is
                additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...
            

          

        

        


          And how far is it?

          

          I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the
          'short cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway
          loop was totally backed up.=A0 He claimed that all the taxis ha=
d
          this route programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a
          lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route.=A0 Did get a
          quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!=A0 Also did make m=
y
          flight.

          

          

      

      

      

      

      
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Thread-Topic: [93attendees] Good place to Exchange Euros for Czech Koruna
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Have tried the changing machine in Hilton lobby, inserting 100 Euro and it =
gives me 2390 CZK, apprarently it takes some extra fees.

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FWIW, the Google tells me that the current rate is 27.05CZK to the Euro
and 24.98 to the USD. There is an automated changing machine in the Hilton
lobby, advertising buy rates of 25.23CZK:Euro and 23.11:USD, so if you
don't go the ATM route, at least you know of one place where the markup is
lower than the 10% mentioned elsewhere.

Thanks,

Wes




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>Hi,
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>Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
>near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
>places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
>Want to avoid them.
>
>Thanks
>Vinayak
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If anyone else wishes to sell their ticket to the social, I'm interested.

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If anyone else wishes to sell their ticket to the social, I'm interested.


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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=5F=E5=93=89 =
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> It's been sold (sorry for the belated update).
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM, =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89 =
 wrote:
>> I can't go to social, so if anyone is looking for a social ticket I
>> can sell mine.
>>
>> The tricky part is that I can't even attend the meeting and can't hand
>> out the ticket.  All I can do is to tell the =22winner=22 my order =
number
>> to negotiate the transfer at the registration desk.  For the same
>> reason I'd prefer someone I already know.  Please let me know if
>> someone is still interested.
>>
>> (I'll be only intermittently online in the following 24 hours or so,
>> so please forgive me if I don't post an update soon).
>>
>> --
>> JINMEI, Tatuya
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM=
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ad.jp> wrote:
It's been sold (sorry for the belated update).

On Sat, Jul 18=
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jp> wrote:
> I can't go to social, so if anyone is looking for a =
social ticket I
> can sell mine.
>
> The tricky part is =
that I can't even attend the meeting and can't hand
> out the ticket.=
  All I can do is to tell the =22winner=22 my order number
> to =
negotiate the transfer at the registration desk.  For the same
> =
reason I'd prefer someone I already know.  Please let me know if
> =
someone is still interested.
>
> (I'll be only intermittently =
online in the following 24 hours or so,
> so please forgive me if I =
don't post an update soon).
>
> --
> JINMEI, =
Tatuya

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If you have one you want to sell please contact me.
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If you have a social ticket and wish to sell it, please contact me.
I can buy it by Czk or Euro.

thanks,
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Hi
Please contact me if you have any tickets to sell.

Regards
Emile


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Objet : [93attendees] One social ticket wanted

If you have a social ticket and wish to sell it, please contact me.
I can buy it by Czk or Euro.

thanks,
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> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.

+1.

Best technical plenary since Danvers.

Grüße, Carsten


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Even worse one is taxi driver, whose currency is 1Euro=3D20CZK!
It's seems that the best current practice until now is ATM if your bank onl=
y charge 1.5~3%, very close to the one Google said.

Cheers,
Will


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> Have tried the changing machine in Hilton lobby, inserting 100 Euro and i=
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> gives me 2390 CZK, apprarently it takes some extra fees.
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> Regards,
> Jie
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> FWIW, the Google tells me that the current rate is 27.05CZK to the Euro
> and 24.98 to the USD. There is an automated changing machine in the
> Hilton lobby, advertising buy rates of 25.23CZK:Euro and 23.11:USD, so if
> you don't go the ATM route, at least you know of one place where the
> markup is lower than the 10% mentioned elsewhere.
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> Wes
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> On 7/15/15, 8:22 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Vinayak Hegde"
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> >Hi,
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> >Any recommendations of places for exchanging Euros for Czech Koruna
> >near the Airport, Intercontinental or Hilton. In my experience, most
> >places near the airport have a huge markup + charge processing fees.
> >Want to avoid them.
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> >Thanks
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Just wanted to double check, the Hilton lobby changing machine accepts doll=
ars right?

Thanks in advance,
Ramki

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Good place to Exchange Euros for Czech Koruna

Even worse one is taxi driver, whose currency is 1Euro=3D20CZK!
It's seems that the best current practice until now is ATM if your bank onl=
y charge 1.5~3%, very close to the one Google said.

Cheers,
Will


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> Have tried the changing machine in Hilton lobby, inserting 100 Euro=20
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Jesus,

W dniu 2015-07-19 o 23:34, JESUS MARIA MARTIN GARCIA pisze:
> Question: Is the ticket accepted on the AE (Airport Express) bus?
> (it seems to have different tickets to the rest of public transport)

According to , Prague 
integrated tickets (in my understanding incl. our free passes) aren't 
valid in the AE.

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This worked for me (although lacking the piece of hardware Ray is using,
just turned my laptop into a WPA2 access point for the room).

On Saturday, July 18, 2015, Ray Pelletier  wrote:

> All
> I've connected an Asus pocket router and have strong wifi. $35 Amazon.
>
> Ray
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> > On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Ole Jacobsen  > wrote:
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On Saturday, July 18, 2015, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
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I've connected an Asus pocket router and have strong wifi. $35 Amazon.<=
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> On Jul 18, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Ole Jacobsen <oleja=
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>

>

> If you need a longer Ethernet cable, I am sure the NOC will be

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On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke)  wrote:

> Was the experiment cancelled for technical reasons or for legal/political
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For lack of legal clarity, as I understand it. The lawyers consulted didn't
give an opinion on time.

Chris.


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On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:
Was the experiment cancelled for technical reasons or for legal/polit=
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reasons? Just our of curiosity

For lack of =
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 opinion on time.

Chris.
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>Hi everybody,

>

>just to let you know, the experiment that we have announced earlier wil=
l

>_not_ take place. No data has been collected nor will any data be

>collected anytime during the meeting for reasons of legal uncertainty
>regarding data protection and privacy law.

>

>I would nevertheles like to thank Jari Arkko, Chris Elliott, Ray

>Pelletier and all the other people involved helping out in this matter.=


>Very much appreciated!

>

>Best,

>

>Rolf

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On 19.7.2015 23:34, JESUS MARIA MARTIN GARCIA wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for this, it's really helpful.
> Question: Is the ticket accepted on the AE (Airport Express) bus?
> (it seems to have different tickets to the rest of public transport)

Hi Jesus,
no, the ticket is not valid for AE.

	Ondrej


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> BR
> Jesus
> 

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>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Thanks for this, it's really helpful.
>> Question: Is the ticket accepted on the AE (Airport Express) bus?
>> (it seems to have different tickets to the rest of public transport)
> Hi Jesus,
> no, the ticket is not valid for AE.

... so you may use Subway B (Yellow) towards Zlicin and then bus #100 to 
get from Hilton to the Airport.

             M


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+1

Thank you for all your efforts.   It will be one of the highlights of the IETF meeting as well as providing much food for thought.

>Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
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+1 (or even 1000)

Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that some=
one took detailed minutes?

Kireeti

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee  wrote:
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> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
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>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress
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>> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
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> Any chance this was recorded?

Much appreciate the irony!

-Peter


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I have a low quality recording for most of the Q&A here:
http://nielstenoever.net/Edward%20Snowden%20at%20IETF93.mp3

Also: the total of the contributions was 971,61 euro. The costs for
showing the film (rights) were 300 euros, the remaining amount of
671,61 euro was donated to the Courage Foundation.

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

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> Much appreciate the irony!
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Hi all,

Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/

I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me with:

1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes
(underwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?

2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart. It's
nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating procedure
for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're called here)
and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd love to know
how that's done.

thanks for any thoughts, Joe

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Hi all,

Lufthansa ha=
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I have a =
couple questions that others out there may be able to help me with:

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1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (un=
derwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not sm=
art. It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard o=
perating procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever th=
ey're called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medicati=
on, I'd love to know how that's done.

thanks for any t=
houghts, Joe
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Best for best current practices regarding lost medication is to ask Hotel fo=
r contact for a doctor (I believe they did this in the past).

If you fail getting answer, contact me off the list.

M



> On 20. 7. 2015, at 9:13, Natasha Rooney  wrote:
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> Paladium shopping centre is close, and huge. Can=E2=80=99t help with the m=
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> https://www.google.cz/maps/place/palladium+prague/@50.0892222,14.4289585,1=
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>> Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/
>>=20
>> I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me wi=
th:
>>=20
>> 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (underw=
ear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
>>=20
>> 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart. It's=
 nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating procedure=
 for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're called here) a=
nd getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd love to know how t=
hat's done.
>>=20
>> thanks for any thoughts, Joe
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
>> Chief Technologist
>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
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>> (f) 202-637-0968
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If you fail getting answer,=
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<=
br>On 20. 7. 2015, at 9:13, Natasha Rooney <nrooney@gsma.com> wrote:






Paladium shopping centre is close, and huge. Can=E2=80=99t help with the med=
s, hopefully someone can soon. 

https://ww=
w.google.cz/maps/place/palladium+prague/@50.0892222,14.4289585,15z/data=3D!4=
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Natasha














On Jul 20, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
















Hi all,





Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/





I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me with:=






1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (underwear=
 and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
=





2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart. It's no=
thing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating procedure fo=
r going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're called here) and=
 getting a few days of my blood
 pressure medication, I'd love to know how that's done.





thanks for any thoughts, Joe


























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Chief Technologist


Center for Democracy & Technology


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Washington DC 20006-4011 


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That was the reason indeed.

Am 7/20/15 um 1:15 AM schrieb Chris Elliott:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Eric Vyncke (evyncke)  > wrote:
>
>     Was the experiment cancelled for technical reasons or for
>     legal/political
>     reasons? Just our of curiosity
>
>
> For lack of legal clarity, as I understand it. The lawyers consulted
> didn't give an opinion on time.
>
> Chris.
>
>     -ric
>
>     On 18/07/15 21:52, "93attendees on behalf of Rolf Winter"
>     <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org  on behalf of
>     rolf.winter@hs-augsburg.de >
>     wrote:
>
>      >Hi everybody,
>      >
>      >just to let you know, the experiment that we have announced
>     earlier will
>      >_not_ take place. No data has been collected nor will any data be
>      >collected anytime during the meeting for reasons of legal uncertainty
>      >regarding data protection and privacy law.
>      >
>      >I would nevertheles like to thank Jari Arkko, Chris Elliott, Ray
>      >Pelletier and all the other people involved helping out in this
>     matter.
>      >Very much appreciated!
>      >
>      >Best,
>      >
>      >Rolf
>      >
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:55:18AM +0200,
 Ben Campbell  wrote 
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> With the food truck unavailable today, are there any quick takeaway
> options for today's lunch?

The supermarket in the passage in front of the hotel (entrance near
the pharmacy, see the thread "Shortcut to Florenc metro station") has
a lot of options for cold lunches (including a salad bar).


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Hi all,

I seems to have forgot my MacBook Pro power cable back home. I was
wondering if anybody had a spare one I could borrow for the week. I have
the L shape one. (First MagSafe cable), if you do, please msg me, beers on
me.

Thanks

Simon lemay

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Hi all,

I seems to have forgot my MacBook Pro power cable back =
home.  I was wondering if anybody had a spare one I could borrow for the we=
ek.  I have the L shape one.  (First MagSafe cable), if you do, please msg =
me, beers on me.

Thanks

Simon lemay


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Apparently it was cheaper for me to buy a round trip ticket from
Budapest to Prague than to buy a one-way one.  I cannot use the return
part as it is only valid until the 22nd, so it's up for grabs for
free.

Cheers,

Bence


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Hi all,

I'm looking for 2 more tickets for the social.  If you have 1 or 2 please l=
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Regards,
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Hi all,


 


I’m looking for 2 more tickets for the social.  If you have=
 1 or 2 please let me know.


 


Regards,


Jason


 





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This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus tak=
es you to/from the Hilton.



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> On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote:
>=20
> +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
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> Thanks!
>=20
>> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
>> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
>>=20
>> Does this include the companion program as well?
>>=20
>> Dean
>>=20
>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek  wrote:
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>>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
>>>=20
>>> Tomas
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>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Da=
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>>> Rozum
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>>>=20
>>> Hi all!
>>>=20
>>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport ticke=
ts
>>> for IETF attendees.
>>>=20
>>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
>>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) =
in
>>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
>>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 2=
4,
>>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it i=
s
>>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>>=20
>>> Thank you!
>>>=20
>>> Daniel Rozum
>>> project coordinator
>>> CZ.NIC
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Hmmm is there anyone at the meeting who it would be useful to send on a one=
 way trip to Budapest????

:)

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From: Bence B=E9ky
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:21
To: 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [93attendees] Free train ticket to Budapest valid until the 22nd.


Apparently it was cheaper for me to buy a round trip ticket from
Budapest to Prague than to buy a one-way one.  I cannot use the return
part as it is only valid until the 22nd, so it's up for grabs for
free.

Cheers,

Bence

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Hi all,

 

Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF about traffic
optimization with Simplemux.

 

We will meet at the hotel reception and then we will move to a real bar.

 

A summary about Simplemux is here:
http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux-a-generic-multiplexing-
protocol. In fact, these are the slides to be used in the presentation at
GAIA session in Prague next Wednesday 9.00:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/ 

 

Simplemux is a lightweight protocol designed for creating a tunnel of
multiplexed packets. We have built an implementation:
https://github.com/TCM-TF/simplemux.

 

When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings can be obtained as
e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a number of RTP VoIP flows
together.

 

The idea of the Bar-BOF is to give a more detailed explaining about
Simplemux, and to show the protocol running between a set of (virtual)
machines.

 

The implementation has been built in C, and it can even run in a low-cost
Access Point running OpenWRT.

 

Best regards,

 

Jose Saldana

PS: If you don't know me, I will be wearing a T-Shirt of IETF'87 Berlin next
Wednesday. If you cannot attend the Bar-BOF but you are interested on
Simplemux, do not hesitate to write me


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Hi all,
 
Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF =
about traffic optimization with Simplemux.
 
We will meet at the hotel reception =
and then we will move to a real bar.
 
A summary about Simplemux is here: =
http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux=
-a-generic-multiplexing-protocol. In fact, these are the slides to =
be used in the presentation at GAIA session in Prague next Wednesday =
9.00: https://dat=
atracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/ 
 
Simplemux is a lightweight protocol =
designed for creating a tunnel of multiplexed packets. We have built an =
implementation: https://github.com/TCM-TF/si=
mplemux.
 
When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings =
can be obtained as e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a =
number of RTP VoIP flows together.
 
The idea of the Bar-BOF is to give =
a more detailed explaining about Simplemux, and to show the protocol =
running between a set of (virtual) machines.
 
The implementation has been built =
in C, and it can even run in a low-cost Access Point running =
OpenWRT.
 
Best regards,
 
Jose =
Saldana
PS: =
If you don’t know me, I will be wearing a T-Shirt of IETF’87 =
Berlin next Wednesday. If you cannot attend the Bar-BOF but you are =
interested on Simplemux, do not hesitate to write =
me

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Alas, no... the Lufthansa lost property interface still says, "Tracing
continues." I will keep my hopes up.

Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source
for some BP meds.

As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clothes
shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try
that. best, Joe

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,   wrote:
> You hopefully received your bag by now.
> Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags stand=
ing in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found offices...
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> Best regards, Martin
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> ________________________________________
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> An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org
> Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...
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> Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium shopping cen=
ter is definitely a good option =E2=98=BA
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> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jose=
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> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09
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> Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...
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> Hi all,
> Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/
> I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me wi=
th:
> 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (underw=
ear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
> 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart. It's=
 nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating procedur=
e for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're called here=
) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd love to know =
how that's done.
> thanks for any thoughts, Joe
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Aw I need one too, but seems like I am low on the list now!

Natasha


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Aw I need one too, but seems like I am low on the list now!



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The reason was lack of time to resolve the legal question.

But I wanted to add two things. First, I=92m personally sorry that
we were unable to do this. The research was interesting, and
I would have wanted to see the results. If I had seen the
issues earlier, perhaps we could have gotten this done.
Sorry.

Second, we took the question up in the IESG about how we
do experiments, and decided to form a small sub-committee
(incl. connections to suitable legal assist as needed) to
approve experiments. Most experiments don=92t have the type
of issues that Rolf=92s proposed experiment had, but we=92d like
to expand rather than constrict the IETF network as a platform
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As you may remember, we carried out three Wi-Fi privacy experiments at the =
past IETF91, IEEE 802 March plenary, and IETF92 meetings.

>From now on the Wi-Fi privacy network setup will be part of the normal IETF=
 and IEEE 802 networks, supporting hence users that are running clients wit=
h private MAC addresses.

The IEEE has issued a press release about the experiments and this has crea=
ted good interest from the media. Below is a list of links to the IEEE pres=
s release and some of the related articles:

*          IEEE Press Release: IEEE Announces Successful Wireless Privacy T=
rials at IETF and IEEE 802(r) Meetings
-        http://standards.ieee.org/news/2015/wireless_privacy_trials.html

*          MAC Address Privacy Inches Towards Standardisation "IEEE hums al=
ong to IETF anti-surveillance tune"
-        The Register, June 26, 2015, http://www.theregis=
ter.co.uk/2015/06/26/mac_address_privacy_inches_towards_standardisation/

*          IEEE Group Recommends Random MAC Addresses for Wi-Fi Security
-        CSO, July 8, 2015 , http://www.csoonline.com/article/2945044/cyber-attacks-espiona=
ge/ieee-groups-recommends-random-mac-addresses-for-wi-fi-security.html

*          IEEE Study Group Recommends Improvements in Wi-Fi Security
-        FierceWireless, July 9, 2015, http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/ieee-study-group-recommends-improvem=
ents-wi-fi-security/2015-07-09

*          MAC Address Randomization Gets Closer to Becoming a Standard
-        Softpedia, June 26, 2015, http://ne=
ws.softpedia.com/news/mac-address-randomization-gets-closer-to-becoming-a-s=
tandard-485372.shtml

*          IEEE said it successfully tested improved privacy features for W=
i-Fi at field trials.
-        RCR Wireless, Kelly Hill, June 26, 2015, http://www.rcrwireless.co=
m/20150626/test-and-measurement/test-and-measurement-keysight-to-work-with-=
korea-telecom-on-5g-tag6

Also, last week on July 17, IEEE 802 approved a new project to produce a do=
cument describing a privacy threat model and recommendations for IEEE 802 p=
rotocol developers, which will eventually become the IEEE 802E specificatio=
n.

--
Juan Carlos Zuniga



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As you may remember, we carried out three Wi-Fi priv=
acy experiments at the past IETF91, IEEE 802 March plenary, and IETF92 meet=
ings.



 


From now on the Wi-Fi privacy network setup will be =
part of the normal IETF and IEEE 802 networks, supporting hence users that =
are running clients with private MAC addresses.



 


The IEEE has issued a press release about the experi=
ments and this has created good interest from the media. Below is a list of=
 links to the IEEE press release and some of the related articles:


 



•        =
 
IEEE Press Release: IEEE Announces Succes=
sful Wireless Privacy Trials at IETF and IEEE 802® Meetings<=
/b>



–       
http://standards.ieee.org/news/2015/=
wireless_privacy_trials.html



 



•        =
 
MAC Address Privacy Inches Towards Standa=
rdisation "IEEE hums along to IETF anti-surveillance tune"



–       
The Register, June 26, 2015, 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/26/ma=
c_address_privacy_inches_towards_standardisation/



 



•        =
 
IEEE Group Recommends Random MAC Addresse=
s for Wi-Fi Security




–       
CSO, July 8, 2015 , 
http://www.csoonline.com/article/2945044/cyber-attacks-espionage/ieee-groups=
-recommends-random-mac-addresses-for-wi-fi-security.html



 



•        =
 
IEEE Study Group Recommends Improvements =
in Wi-Fi Security




–       
FierceWireless, July 9, 2015, 
http://www.fiercewireless.=
com/tech/story/ieee-study-group-recommends-improvements-wi-fi-security/2015=
-07-09



 



•        =
 
MAC Address Randomization Gets Closer to =
Becoming a Standard




–     &=
nbsp; 
Softpedia, June 26, 201=
5, 
http://news.s=
oftpedia.com/news/mac-address-randomization-gets-closer-to-becoming-a-stand=
ard-485372.shtml 



 



•        =
 
IEEE said it successfully tested improved=
 privacy features for Wi-Fi at field trials.



–       
RCR Wireless, Kelly Hill, June 26, 2015, 
http://www.rcrwireless.com/20150626/test-and-measurement/test-and-measureme=
nt-keysight-to-work-with-korea-telecom-on-5g-tag6



 


Also, last week on July 17, IEEE 802 approved a new =
project to produce a document describing a privacy threat model and recomme=
ndations for IEEE 802 protocol developers, which will eventually become the=
 IEEE 802E specification.


 


--


Juan Carlos Zuniga


 


 






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Whenever I connect to the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D wireless network (with =
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be disabled for about a minute

Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?

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Hello Ross,

On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:39, Ross Finlayson wrote:

> Whenever I connect to the “ietf” wireless network (with 
> username,password “ietf”) I frequently get a popup window (on a 
> Macbook Pro running OS X 10.10.4) saying:
> 	ietf
> 	The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will be 
> disabled for about a minute
>
> Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?

Myself and at least one other user are also seeing this.

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Already a ticket on this.  See https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.

--aaron

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Ross Finlayson 
wrote:

> Whenever I connect to the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D wireless network (with u=
sername,password
> =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbook Pro=
 running OS X
> 10.10.4) saying:
>         ietf
>         The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will be
> disabled for about a minute
>
> Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?
>
>         Ross.
>
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Already a ticket on this.=C2=A0 See=C2=A0https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/tic=
ket/951.

--aaron

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Ross Fin=
layson <finlayson@live555.com> wrote:
Whenever I connect to the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D wireless n=
etwork (with username,password =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D) I frequently get a p=
opup window (on a Macbook Pro running OS X 10.10.4) saying:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ietf

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The wireless network appears to have been compr=
omised and will be disabled for about a minute



Is anyone else seeing these popups?=C2=A0 Should we care?



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ross.



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	- Jim


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On 7/20/15 1:39 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> Whenever I connect to the “ietf” wireless network (with username,password “ietf”) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbook Pro running OS X 10.10.4) saying:
> 	ietf
> 	The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will be disabled for about a minute
>
> Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?

FWIW I started seeing them after lunch today.
Also running 10.10.4.

    Erik

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FYI, not present on v6only.   We saw them around 11am.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Peter van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello Ross,
>
> On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:39, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>
>  Whenever I connect to the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D wireless network (with =
username,password
>> =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbook Pr=
o running OS X
>> 10.10.4) saying:
>>         ietf
>>         The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will b=
e
>> disabled for about a minute
>>
>> Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?
>>
>
> Myself and at least one other user are also seeing this.
>
> Kind regards,
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FYI, not present on v6only. =C2=A0 We saw them around 11am=
.

On Mon, Ju=
l 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Peter van Dijk <peter.van.dijk@powerdns.c=
om> wrote:
Hello Ross,



On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:39, Ross Finlayson wrote:





Whenever I connect to the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D wireless network (with use=
rname,password =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D) I frequently get a popup window (on =
a Macbook Pro running OS X 10.10.4) saying:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ietf

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The wireless network appears to have been compr=
omised and will be disabled for about a minute



Is anyone else seeing these popups?=C2=A0 Should we care?





Myself and at least one other user are also seeing this.



Kind regards,

-- 

Peter van Dijk

PowerDNS.COM BV - https://www.powerdns.com/



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I also saw this for a good 30-45 mins. I turned of wireless and turned it
back on. Since then I don=B9t see it anymore=8A

On 7/20/15, 1:45 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Wim)"
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>I observe the same issue on my MACbook Pro OS Z 10.10.4 as well
>
>
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>On 20/07/15 13:39, "93attendees on behalf of Ross Finlayson"
><93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of finlayson@live555.com> wrote:
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>>Whenever I connect to the =B3ietf=B2 wireless network (with
>>username,password =B3ietf=B2) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbo=
ok
>>Pro running OS X 10.10.4) saying:
>>	ietf
>>	The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will be
>>disabled for about a minute
>>
>>Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?
>>
>>	Ross.
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Le 2015-07-20 13:41, Aaron Falk a crit :
> Already a ticket on this.  See https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.

https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/950

Do I win? ;)

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Le 2015-07-20 13:50, Simon Perreault a crit :
> Le 2015-07-20 13:41, Aaron Falk a crit :
>> Already a ticket on this.  See https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.
> 
> https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/950
> 
> Do I win? ;)

Apparently not...

https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/949
https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/948
https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/947
https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/946
https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/945
...

I gave up trying to find the real winner. ;)

Simon


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Sorry for one more of these messages..

I arrive late to the queue, but I'm also on the search of a spare ticket
for the social event.

Thanks in advance,

Renzo Navas

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Thanks in advance,

Renzo Navas


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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Simon Perreault  =
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> Le 2015-07-20 13:41, Aaron Falk a =E9crit :
>> Already a ticket on this.  See =
https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.
>=20
> https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/950
>=20
> Do I win? ;)

Not quite:
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/949
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/948
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/947
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/946
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/945 (probably, Does Brian use =
a Mac?)
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/944
  https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/943 (probably)


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  Hi Jim,

  TKIP was designed to have a shelf-life of 5 years and that passed 2 years=
 ago.
It=92s been deprecated by 802.11 and should not be used on any network anym=
ore.

  regards,

  Dan.

On 7/20/15, 4:41 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Jim Martin" <93attendees-bou=
nces@ietf.org on behalf of jrmii@isc.o=
rg> wrote:

Ross,
I can answer for the masses. Yes! It=92s an issue related to the TKIP MIC o=
n the encrypted SSIDs. We=92re in the process of updating the AP configurat=
ions to force folks to AES, which is expected to resolve the issue. Please =
give us a few minutes to roll out the change.

- Jim


On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Ross Finlayson > wrote:
Whenever I connect to the =93ietf=94 wireless network (with username,passwo=
rd =93ietf=94) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbook Pro running OS=
 X 10.10.4) saying:
ietf
The wireless network appears to have been compromised and will be disabled =
for about a minute
Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?
Ross.
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  Hi Jim,







  TKIP was designed to have a shelf-life of 5 years and that pass=
ed 2 years ago.


It=92s been deprecated by 802.11 and should not be used on any network=
 anymore. 







  regards,







  Dan.










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jrmii@isc.org> wrote:















Ross,


I can =
answer for the masses. Yes! It=92s an issue related to the TKIP MIC on the =
encrypted SSIDs. We=92re in the process of updating the AP configurations t=
o force folks to AES, which is expected
 to resolve the issue. Please give us a few minutes to roll out the change.=








- Jim<=
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On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Ross Finlayson <finlayson@live555.com> wrote:




Whenever I connect to the =93ietf=94 wireless network (with username,p=
assword =93ietf=94) I frequently get a popup window (on a Macbook Pro runni=
ng OS X 10.10.4) saying:


ietf

The wi=
reless network appears to have been compromised and will be disabled for ab=
out a minute




Is anyone else seeing these popups?  Should we care?




Ross.<=
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Is there a MAC AC power plug swap program available in this IETF? Note, this=
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>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/945 (probably, Does Brian use a Mac?)

No, but Windows 7 was just disconnecting me without the courtesy of
a message. I think it was the same thing.

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Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth
keyboard? Alternatively, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure) a
MacBook Pro might start combining keys (ie. Pressing i or u produces 'iu')
that would be even more appreciated.

Regards,
Shawn

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Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard?=C2=A0Altern=
atively, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure)=C2=A0a MacBook Pro=
 might start combining keys (ie. Pressing i or u produces 'iu') tha=
t would be even more appreciated.=C2=A0

Regards,
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All,

We've modified the wireless config so that this issue should not reoccur.
Please let us know if you see it again.

We continue to monitor our logs, as we saw the issue first there at 10:50am
today. I finished configuring the APs at 1:44pm and haven't seen it since.
We don't believe that this problem can happen again, despite possible
misbehaving clients.

A few details, summarized from my memory. Feel free to correct if you feel
inclined!

Wifi can use several different encryption methods--WEP, TKIP, and AES. We
stopped using WEP many years ago. However, the first version of WPA
modified WEP to add a temporal key and a MIC to check if the packet had
been modified in flight. This protocol included draconian measures if the
access point detected an incorrect MIC, as the thought was that TKIP was
weak and there needed to be strong measures to prevent repeated attacks
that might reveal the key. It turned out that the standards organization
underestimated the strength of TKIP, so these draconian measures weren't
really necessary.

We have had a feature enabled on our APs that should avoid any packet
corruption from triggering said draconian measures. However, for the first
time in several years, we're once again seeing the APs reacting badly.
While we don't know for sure why the APs are doing this, we did determine
the few to none of our attendees are using TKIP. Therefore we have now
disabled TKIP throughout the IETF network and all encrypted networks are
WPA2/AES only. This seems to have mitigated the issue.

We continue to monitor the network to determine if there are any other
effects of whatever caused this problem.

As usual, feel free to open a ticket with the NOC if you have any issues on
the IETF network.

Enjoy!
Chris.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Yoav Nir  wrote:

>
> > On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Simon Perreault 
> wrote:
> >
> > Le 2015-07-20 13:41, Aaron Falk a =C3=A9crit :
> >> Already a ticket on this.  See
> https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.
> >
> > https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/950
> >
> > Do I win? ;)
>
> Not quite:
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/949
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/948
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/947
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/946
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/945 (probably, Does Brian use a
> Mac?)
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/944
>   https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/943 (probably)
>
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All,

We've modified the wireless co=
nfig so that this issue should not reoccur. Please let us know if you see i=
t again.

We continue to monitor our logs, as we sa=
w the issue first there at 10:50am today. I finished configuring the APs at=
 1:44pm and haven't seen it since. We don't believe that this probl=
em can happen again, despite possible misbehaving clients.

A few details, summarized from my memory. Feel free to correct if =
you feel inclined!

Wifi can use several different =
encryption methods--WEP, TKIP, and AES. We stopped using WEP many years ago=
. However, the first version of WPA modified WEP to add a temporal key and =
a MIC to check if the packet had been modified in flight. This protocol inc=
luded draconian measures if the access point detected an incorrect MIC, as =
the thought was that TKIP was weak and there needed to be strong measures t=
o prevent repeated attacks that might reveal the key. It turned out that th=
e standards organization underestimated the strength of TKIP, so these drac=
onian measures weren't really necessary.

We ha=
ve had a feature enabled on our APs that should avoid any packet corruption=
 from triggering said draconian measures. However, for the first time in se=
veral years, we're once again seeing the APs reacting badly. While we d=
on't know for sure why the APs are doing this, we did determine the few=
 to none of our attendees are using TKIP. Therefore we have now disabled TK=
IP throughout the IETF network and all encrypted networks are WPA2/AES only=
. This seems to have mitigated the issue.

We conti=
nue to monitor the network to determine if there are any other effects of w=
hatever caused this problem.

As usual, feel free t=
o open a ticket with the NOC if you have any issues on the IETF network.

Enjoy!
Chris.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Y=
oav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:


> On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive.com> wrote:

>

> Le 2015-07-20 13:41, Aaron Falk a =C3=A9crit :

>> Already a ticket on this.=C2=A0 See https://tick=
ets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/951.

>

> https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/950

>

> Do I win? ;)



Not quite:

=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/=
ticket/949

=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/948
=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/947
=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/946
=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/9=
45 (probably, Does Brian use a Mac?)

=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/944
=C2=A0 https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/ticket/943 (p=
robably)




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Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower lobby

MK


> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:16, Shawn Morris  wrote:
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> Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard? Alternativ=
ely, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure) a MacBook Pro might sta=
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Same here.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <
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> Is there a MAC AC power plug swap program available in this IETF? Note,
> this is not the whole power adaptor, just the plug which is country
> specific. I have a couple of US plugs that I am willing to swap.
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Same here.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a MAC AC power plug swap program available in this IETF? N=
ote, this is not the whole power adaptor, just the plug which is country sp=
ecific. I have a couple of US plugs that I am willing to swap.



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or the palladium mall

On 7/20/15 2:22 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
> Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower lobby
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>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:16, Shawn Morris  wrote:
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>> Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard? Alternatively, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure) a MacBook Pro might start combining keys (ie. Pressing i or u produces 'iu') that would be even more appreciated. 
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Yes there is a shop selling Apple hardware in Palladium. We do not have Appl=
e shops in CZ, so Apple products are being sold thru other distributors.

MK



> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:26, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote:
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> or the palladium mall
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>> On 7/20/15 2:22 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
>> Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower lobby
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>> MK
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>>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:16, Shawn Morris  wrote:
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>>> Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard? Alternat=
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) wrote:

> Works for me now, stable for about 15 min :-)

I concur, the past 20-30 minutes or so "ietf" has been stable. Before that 
I couldn't connect, but now it seems to work.

So just to be clear, my experience is that the "ietf" ssid was unstable 
past the 1.44pm time that was mentioned before, but now it's working much 
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:

> Alas, no... the Lufthansa lost property interface still says, "Tracing
> continues." I will keep my hopes up.
>
>
my experience is that the lufthansa site always says that, even after they
delivery you the luggage item... If your original flight was a UAL one,
call UAL and ask their baggage group to tell you the status (presuming you
have the luggage tag thingy still)


> Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source
> for some BP meds.
>
> As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clothes
> shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try
> that. best, Joe
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,   wrote:
> > You hopefully received your bag by now.
> > Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags
> standing in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found offices...
> >
> > Best regards, Martin
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Von: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] im Auftrag von
> stephane.litkowski@orange.com [stephane.litkowski@orange.com]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37
> > An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org
> > Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...
> >
> > Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium shopping c=
enter is
> definitely a good option =E2=98=BA
> >
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09
> > To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> > Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/
> > I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me
> with:
> > 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes
> (underwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
> > 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart.
> It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating
> procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're
> called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd
> love to know how that's done.
> > thanks for any thoughts, Joe
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> > Chief Technologist
> > Center for Democracy & Technology
> > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
> > Washington DC 20006-4011
> > (p) 202-407-8825
> > (f) 202-637-0968
> > joe@cdt.org
> > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key
> > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10  1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
> >
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> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
> Washington DC 20006-4011
> (p) 202-407-8825
> (f) 202-637-0968
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall =
<joe@cdt.org> wrote:
Alas, no... the Lufthansa los=
t property interface still says, "Tracing

continues." I will keep my hopes up.



my experience is that the lufthansa si=
te always says that, even after they delivery you the luggage item... If yo=
ur original flight was a UAL one, call UAL and ask their baggage group to t=
ell you the status (presuming you have the luggage tag thingy still)
<=
div>=C2=A0

Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source

for some BP meds.



As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clo=
thes

shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try

that. best, Joe




On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,=C2=A0 <Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de> wrote:

> You hopefully received your bag by now.

> Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags st=
anding in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found offices...=


>

> Best regards, Martin

>

> ________________________________________

> Von: 93attendees [93at=
tendees-bounces@ietf.org] im Auftrag von stephane.litkowski@orange.com [stephane.litkowski@orange.com]

> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37

> An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93att=
endees@ietf.org

> Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium shopping =
center is definitely a good option =E2=98=BA

>

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzo Hall

> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09

> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Hi all,

> Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/

> I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me=
 with:

> 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (und=
erwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?

> 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smar=
t. It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard ope=
rating procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they=
're called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication=
, I'd love to know how that's done.

> thanks for any thoughts, Joe

>

> --

> Joseph Lorenzo Hall

> Chief Technologist

> Center for Democracy & Technology

> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100

> Washington DC 20006-4011

> (p) 202-407-8825

> (f) 202-637-0968

> joe@cdt.org<mailto:joe@cdt.org>

> PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key

> fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10=C2=A0 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
>

>

>

> ______________________________________________________________________=
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Washington DC 20006-4011

(p) 202-407-8825
(f) 202-637-0968
joe@cdt.org

PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key

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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 09:15, Chris Morrow  wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall > wrote:
> Alas, no... the Lufthansa lost property interface still says, "Tracing
> continues." I will keep my hopes up.
>=20
>=20
> my experience is that the lufthansa site always says that, even after =
they delivery you the luggage item... If your original flight was a UAL =
one, call UAL and ask their baggage group to tell you the status =
(presuming you have the luggage tag thingy still)

+1 .  Mine said same yet was waiting for me in the hotel lobby.  The =
staff were surprised that I hadn't notified them that I had missing =
luggage and didn't want to bother me until I inquired.

FYI,
sjr

>=20
> Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source
> for some BP meds.
>=20
> As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clothes
> shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try
> that. best, Joe
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,  > wrote:
> > You hopefully received your bag by now.
> > Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags =
standing in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found =
offices...
> >
> > Best regards, Martin
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Von: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org =
] im Auftrag von =
stephane.litkowski@orange.com  =
[stephane.litkowski@orange.com ]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37
> > An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org =

> > Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...
> >
> > Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium =
shopping center is definitely a good option =E2=98=BA
> >
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org =
] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzo Hall
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> > To: 93attendees@ietf.org 
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> > I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help =
me with:
> > 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes =
(underwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
> > 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart. =
It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating =
procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're =
called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd =
love to know how that's done.
> > thanks for any thoughts, Joe
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> > Chief Technologist
> > Center for Democracy & Technology
> > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
> > Washington DC 20006-4011
> > (p) 202-407-8825 
> > (f) 202-637-0968 
> > joe@cdt.org >
> > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key 
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Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
Alas, no... the Lufthansa lost property =
interface still says, "Tracing

continues." I will keep my hopes up.



my experience is that the lufthansa site always says that, =
even after they delivery you the luggage item... If your original flight =
was a UAL one, call UAL and ask their baggage group to tell you the =
status (presuming you have the luggage tag thingy =
still)

+1 .  Mine said same yet was waiting for me =
in the hotel lobby.  The staff were surprised that I hadn't =
notified them that I had missing luggage and didn't want to bother me =
until I inquired.

FYI,
sjr

 

Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good =
source

for some BP meds.



As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clothes

shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try

that. best, Joe




On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,  <Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de> wrote:

> You hopefully received your bag by now.

> Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags =
standing in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found =
offices...

>

> Best regards, Martin

>

> ________________________________________

> Von: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] im Auftrag von stephane.litkowski@orange.com [stephane.litkowski@orange.com]

> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37

> An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org

> Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium =
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>

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzo =
Hall

> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09

> To: 93attendees@ietf.org

> Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Hi all,

> Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/

> I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help =
me with:

> 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes =
(underwear and socks being particularly important, as you can =
imagine)?

> 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not =
smart. It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard =
operating procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or =
whatever they're called here) and getting a few days of my blood =
pressure medication, I'd love to know how that's done.

> thanks for any thoughts, Joe

>

> --

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> Chief Technologist

> Center for Democracy & Technology

> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100

> Washington DC 20006-4011

> (p) 202-407-8825

> (f) 202-637-0968

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I suspect this is exactly what has happened to me... ah, information
systems. Thanks a ton, guys.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Steven Rich  wrote:

>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 09:15, Chris Morrow  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:
>
>> Alas, no... the Lufthansa lost property interface still says, "Tracing
>> continues." I will keep my hopes up.
>>
>>
> my experience is that the lufthansa site always says that, even after the=
y
> delivery you the luggage item... If your original flight was a UAL one,
> call UAL and ask their baggage group to tell you the status (presuming yo=
u
> have the luggage tag thingy still)
>
>
> +1 .  Mine said same yet was waiting for me in the hotel lobby.  The staf=
f
> were surprised that I hadn't notified them that I had missing luggage and
> didn't want to bother me until I inquired.
>
> FYI,
> sjr
>
>
>
>> Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source
>> for some BP meds.
>>
>> As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clothes
>> shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try
>> that. best, Joe
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,   wrote:
>> > You hopefully received your bag by now.
>> > Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags
>> standing in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found offices..=
.
>> >
>> > Best regards, Martin
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > Von: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] im Auftrag von
>> stephane.litkowski@orange.com [stephane.litkowski@orange.com]
>> > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37
>> > An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org
>> > Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...
>> >
>> > Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium shopping =
center is
>> definitely a good option =E2=98=BA
>> >
>> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09
>> > To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>> > Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/
>> > I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me
>> with:
>> > 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes
>> (underwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?
>> > 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smart.
>> It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard operating
>> procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they're
>> called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication, I'd
>> love to know how that's done.
>> > thanks for any thoughts, Joe
>> >
>> > --
>> > Joseph Lorenzo Hall
>> > Chief Technologist
>> > Center for Democracy & Technology
>> > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
>> > Washington DC 20006-4011
>> > (p) 202-407-8825
>> > (f) 202-637-0968
>> > joe@cdt.org
>> > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key
>> > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10  1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Chief Technologist
>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100
>> Washington DC 20006-4011
>> (p) 202-407-8825
>> (f) 202-637-0968
>> joe@cdt.org
>> PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key
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I suspect this is exactly what has happened to me... ah, i=
nformation systems. Thanks a ton, guys.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Steven Ric=
h <srich@cisco.com> wrote:
<=
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On Jul 20, 2015, at 09:15, Chris Morrow <morrowc@google.com> wrote:=




On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt=
.org> wrote:
Alas, no... th=
e Lufthansa lost property interface still says, "Tracing

continues." I will keep my hopes up.



my experience is that the lufthansa si=
te always says that, even after they delivery you the luggage item... If yo=
ur original flight was a UAL one, call UAL and ask their baggage group to t=
ell you the status (presuming you have the luggage tag thingy still)
<=
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+1 .=C2=A0 M=
ine said same yet was waiting for me in the hotel lobby.=C2=A0 The staff we=
re surprised that I hadn't notified them that I had missing luggage and=
 didn't want to bother me until I inquired.

FY=
I,
sjr

=

=C2=A0

Thanks to all who reached out off-list. I believe I have a good source

for some BP meds.



As for clothes, it sounds like "Marks and Spencers" is a good clo=
thes

shop with stores in the Palladium Mall and around town... I'll try

that. best, Joe




On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 5:18 AM,=C2=A0 <Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de> wrote:=


> You hopefully received your bag by now.

> Just in case: When I arrived this morning I noticed a _lot_ of bags st=
anding in the baggage claim room, in front of the lost&found offices...=


>

> Best regards, Martin

>

> ________________________________________

> Von: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] im Auftrag von stephane.litkowski@o=
range.com [stephane.litkowski@orange.com]

> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2015 09:37

> An: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; 93attendees@ietf.org

> Betreff: Re: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Same=E2=80=9Dlost baggage=E2=80=9D issue yesterday, Paladium shopping =
center is definitely a good option =E2=98=BA

>

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joseph=
 Lorenzo Hall

> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 09:09

> To: 93attend=
ees@ietf.org

> Subject: [93attendees] lost luggage...

>

> Hi all,

> Lufthansa has lost my luggage; they have no clue where it is. :/

> I have a couple questions that others out there may be able to help me=
 with:

> 1. Are there any convenient places near the Hilton to buy clothes (und=
erwear and socks being particularly important, as you can imagine)?

> 2. My medication was in my checked bags... I know, that's not smar=
t. It's nothing that I'll die without, but if there is standard ope=
rating procedure for going to a local pharmacy (or chemist or whatever they=
're called here) and getting a few days of my blood pressure medication=
, I'd love to know how that's done.

> thanks for any thoughts, Joe

>

> --

> Joseph Lorenzo Hall

> Chief Technologist

> Center for Democracy & Technology

> 1634 I ST NW STE 1100

> Washington DC 20006-4011

> (p) 202-407-8825

> (f) 202-637-0968

> joe@cdt.org<ma=
ilto:joe@cdt.org>
> PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key

> fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10=C2=A0 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
>

>

>

> ______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

>

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Washington DC 20006-4011

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(f) 2=
02-637-0968

joe@cdt.org

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it's called iStyle I think, it's pretty well stocked.


On 7/20/15 2:37 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
> Yes there is a shop selling Apple hardware in Palladium. We do not have Apple shops in CZ, so Apple products are being sold thru other distributors.
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> MK
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>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:26, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote:
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>> or the palladium mall
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>>> On 7/20/15 2:22 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
>>> Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower lobby
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>>> MK
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>>>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:16, Shawn Morris  wrote:
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>>>> Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard? Alternatively, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure) a MacBook Pro might start combining keys (ie. Pressing i or u produces 'iu') that would be even more appreciated. 
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Thank you, I picked up an Apple BT keyboard there.

On Monday, July 20, 2015, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote:

> it's called iStyle I think, it's pretty well stocked.
>
>
> On 7/20/15 2:37 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
> > Yes there is a shop selling Apple hardware in Palladium. We do not have
> Apple shops in CZ, so Apple products are being sold thru other distributors.
> >
> > MK
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:26, Carlos M. Martinez  > wrote:
> >>
> >> or the palladium mall
> >>
> >>> On 7/20/15 2:22 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:
> >>> Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower lobby
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> >>>
> >>>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:16, Shawn Morris  > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know of a place nearby to buy a Bluetooth keyboard?
> Alternatively, if anyone knows why (short of hardware failure) a MacBook
> Pro might start combining keys (ie. Pressing i or u produces 'iu') that
> would be even more appreciated.
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Thank you, I picked up an Apple=C2=A0BT keyboard there.=C2=A0<=
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On Monday, July 20, 2015, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:
it's called iStyle I think, it's pretty well stocked.





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> Yes there is a shop selling Apple hardware in Palladium. We do not hav=
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>

> MK

>

>

>

>> On 20. 7. 2015, at 14:26, Carlos M. Martinez <=
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>>

>> or the palladium mall

>>

>>> On 7/20/15 2:22 PM, Michal Krsek wrote:

>>> Try O2 shop in the hallway across Hilton parking lot in lower =
lobby

>>>

>>> MK

>>>

>>>

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Just %subj suggestion from myself as local person. Sure, you can buy
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http://www.dokosmuskrtkem.cz/wordpress/?page_id=528

 

Local (Czech, Czechoslovakia) "kids" popular movie cartoon star like at
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.and  + Czech mole use space shuttle J

 

You can find a lot of versions this mole  at local toy stores for reasonable
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Mikael and all attendees,

The TKIP problem is not the only problem we're dealing with. If we knew
more about exactly what problem you were having I might be able to tell you
the status of any related problem.

We are tracking a problem with excessive broadcast traffic triggered by
scans of our network from the outside. We're actively mitigating that
issue. On occasion it's caused broadcast packets to be dropped before being
delivered to wireless clients. This has affected the ability to use IPv6 on
occasion.

I will note that there also seem to be scans of our network coming from our
clients. Please note that the triggered broadcasts from ARPs, for example,
can affect the performance of everyone. We provide an open network for
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aware that some actions may hurt performance for others. We ask you to be
respectful of all users.

Thanks
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> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) wrote:
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>  Works for me now, stable for about 15 min :-)
>>
>
> I concur, the past 20-30 minutes or so "ietf" has been stable. Before that
> I couldn't connect, but now it seems to work.
>
> So just to be clear, my experience is that the "ietf" ssid was unstable
> past the 1.44pm time that was mentioned before, but now it's working much
> better. I am in Congress Hall III.
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Mikael and all attendees,

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lem is not the only problem we're dealing with. If we knew more about e=
xactly what problem you were having I might be able to tell you the status =
of any related problem.

We are tracking a problem =
with excessive broadcast traffic triggered by scans of our network from the=
 outside. We're actively mitigating that issue. On occasion it's ca=
used broadcast packets to be dropped before being delivered to wireless cli=
ents. This has affected the ability to use IPv6 on occasion.

=

I will note that there also seem to be scans of our network comi=
ng from our clients. Please note that the triggered broadcasts from ARPs, f=
or example, can affect the performance of everyone. We provide an open netw=
ork for everyone to use, and we encourage all of you to use it. However, pl=
ease be aware that some actions may hurt performance for others. We ask you=
 to be respectful of all users.

Thanks
C=
hris.

=
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <<=
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t; wrote:
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Works for me now, stable for about 15 min :-)





I concur, the past 20-30 minutes or so "ietf" has been stable. Be=
fore that I couldn't connect, but now it seems to work.



So just to be clear, my experience is that the "ietf" ssid was un=
stable past the 1.44pm time that was mentioned before, but now it's wor=
king much better. I am in Congress Hall III.



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+1 for prague-airport-transfer!

Booked online during the layover in AMS. CZK 290 (~ USD 12) to InterContinental. The person was waiting in T2 with my name on the board. Comfortable ride in a nice clean car. Planning to call them for the ride back to the airport later this week.

On Jul 15, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christer Holmberg > wrote:

Hi,

The following company offers shared shuttles and private transports:

http://www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/

The price for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, about 20 EUR, per car. When you book, you can chose whether you'll pay to the driver, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

According to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi-Fi in the cars (I could not find any information about whether it's IPv6, though :)

Regards,

Christer

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz
Sent: 14. hein?kuuta 2015 0:07
To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy Bush
Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague


On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque > wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush > wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 07:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charged to
>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usually earns
>>> Hilton points.
>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to taxi.prague@hilton.com with your
>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airport for 900 CZK or US
>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.
>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.
>
> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???

hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take a
metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing'
exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.

You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the company others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prague, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today's exchange rate. If true, that's less than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.

    http://www.aaataxi.cz/en/

Shumon Huque.


Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine print about 19,90 CZK/km ...

And how far is it?

I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of other taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight.

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+1 for prague-airport-transfer!







Booked online during the layover in AMS. CZK 290 (~ USD 12) to InterCo=
ntinental. The person was waiting in T2 with my name on the board. Comforta=
ble ride in a nice clean car. Planning to call them for the ride back to th=
e airport later this week. 






On Jul 15, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:














Hi,


 <=
/p>

The follow=
ing company offers shared shuttles and private transports:


 =
;


http://www.prague-airport-tran=
sfers.co.uk/


 =
;


The price =
for a private car from the airport to the Hilton is CZK 550, about 20 EUR, =
per car. When you book, you can chose whether you’ll pay to
 the driver, or on-line (using credit card or PayPal).

 =
;


According =
to their website, all drivers speak English - AND they provide Wi-Fi in the=
 cars (I could not find any information about whether it’s
 IPv6, though :)


 =
;


Regards,


 =
;


Christer


 =
;






From:=
 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.o=
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On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz

Sent: 14. heinäkuuta 2015 0:07

To: shuque@gmail.com; Randy =
Bush

Cc: Randall Gellens; attendees

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Taxi and car services in Prague






 


=
 




On 07/13/2015 10:57 AM, Shumon Huque wrote:












On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com>=
; wrote:








On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:=



> On 07/13/2015 07=
:48 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

>>> Note that this is the hotel's taxi service, which can be charg=
ed to

>>> your room folio.  Depending on how it's coded, this usual=
ly earns

>>> Hilton points.

>>>>   Folks, you can send an e-mail to 
taxi.prague@hilton.com with your

>>>>   flight info and they will meet you at the airp=
ort for 900 CZK or US

>>>>   $36 EUR 33. Well worth it if you have luggage.=


>> it takes considerable effort to find a higher priced way to get
>> to town.

>

> Meaning, there are a number of lower priced ways???



hotel taxis are expensive, often the most expensive, transport.  take =
a

metered taxi.  or, if you are happy to rip off drivers in the 'sharing=
'

exonomy, praha has a local uber clone.




 






You can check prices at AAA taxi's website (the comp=
any others have mentioned). I typed in Vaclav Havel Airport and Hilton Prag=
ue, and it quotes me a price of 401 CZK, which is about US $16.32 at today'=
s exchange rate. If true, that's less
 than 1/2 of the Hilton rate mentioned earlier.






 







 






Shumon Huque.






 












 






Although, I just noticed, there is additional fine p=
rint about 19,90 CZK/km ...










And how far is it?



I remember at the last Prague meeting, that my driver took the 'short cut' =
through town back to the airport, as the highway loop was totally backed up=
.  He claimed that all the taxis had this route programmed into their =
GPS systems, and there WERE a lot of
 other taxis, both ways, along this route.  Did get a quick view of a =
lot of Prague on that drive!  Also did make my flight.














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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Jan Novak  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> These have good exchange rates (always look also for commission not just the rate):
>
> http://czech-exchange.cz/en/
> http://www.exchange.cz/  - no English page here
> (https://www.google.cz/maps/place/EXCHANGE+s.r.o./@50.08803,14.418815,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xcd5190f6e091a879?hl=cs)
>
> The rates at the airport or at the hotels too (I assume, never tried there) are always
> the worst you can ever get ...
>
> Jan

This place was quick and the exchange rate was good (26.66 to the Euro
a couple days back). If you are at the Intercontinental then this
place is a good bet.

I had a horrible experience at the Citibank ATM. I had a Citibank card
and though being a customer I could get a good rate. I got a 10%
markup. So be sure if you are using your home crad. So much for
avoiding the travelex counters at the airport.

Thanks
Vinayak


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I have one ticket for the social for sale.

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I have one ticket for the social for sale.

--aaron


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Taken.

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> --aaron
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I have one ticket for the social for sale.

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And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke ?

Saludos,
Jordi






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>Could beverages be enhanced by an offer of bottled mineral water? I've
>been in on Monday morning 8.45 and there were just soft drinks. I'd not
>be concerned if you were removing all soft-drinks and offer mineral water
>only.
>
>Thanks and regards,
>
>Ruediger
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>Please note that since breakfast is included in the IETF hotel guest room
>rate, continental breakfast will not be served at the meeting.
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>Beverages only will be available in the IETF registration area (Congress
>Hall Foyer) from 08:00-09:00 Monday-Friday.
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On 7/20/2015 7:01 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke ?


And local beer.

And maybe some sausages.



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And "utopenci" instead of boring vegies!

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Trying to kick up the internet speed in my hotel room...fee paid

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You in the Hilton?

The wired network seems to work fine for me.

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4519211711

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Folks,

Tomorrow (July 21, 2015 @ 4 PM) we will be having the second IPv6
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Hi Dan,
if you like we can arrange stream thru my Wowza from Prague. I believe I 
can deliver about 900 Mbps of traffic without any problem.

                 Michal

On 21.7.2015 0:02, Dan York wrote:
> IETF 93 attendees,
>
> As we have done at recent IETF meetings, we will be streaming the 
> plenaries out of the IETF's YouTube channel.  All links can be found at:
>
> https://www.ietf.org/live/
>
> We are currently planning streaming coverage of the following IETF 93 
> sessions:
>
>  Technical Plenary - Tuesday, 21 July 2015, 09:30-11:30 CEST, 
> Congress Hall I/II
>  Administrative Plenary - Thursday, 23 July 2015, 09:00-11:30 CEST, 
> Congress I/II
>  Thursday lunch presentation - Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:00-12:45 
> CEST, Grand Hilton Ballroom
>
> If you want to invite anyone remote to watch the sessions, please send 
> them that link.
>
> Please note that for viewers in Germany who are restricted from 
> watching YouTube live streams, we have arranged to *also* stream the 
> video through the Internet Society's Livestream.com 
>  account which we are told *is* viewable in 
> Germany.  Those links are also on the https://www.ietf.org/live/ page.
>
> Enjoy,
> Dan
>
> P.S. The Internet Society's briefing panel on Tuesday, 21 July from 
> 11:45-12:45pm CEST will also be streamed live. More info about it can 
> be found at: 
> https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93
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    Hi Dan,

    if you like we can arrange stream thru my Wowza from Prague. I
    believe I can deliver about 900 Mbps of traffic without any problem.

    

        Michal

    

    
On 21.7.2015 0:02, Dan York wrote:

    

    

      
      IETF 93 attendees,
      


      

      
As we have done at recent IETF meetings, we will be
        streaming the plenaries out of the IETF's YouTube channel. All
        links can be found at:

      


      

      
      


      

      
We are currently planning streaming coverage of the
        following IETF 93 sessions:

      


      

      

        
 Technical Plenary-
          Tuesday, 21 July 2015, 09:30-11:30 CEST, Congress Hall I/II

        

        
 Administrative Plenary-
          Thursday, 23 July 2015, 09:00-11:30 CEST, Congress I/II

        

        
 Thursday lunch
          presentation- Thursday, 23 July 2015, 12:00-12:45 CEST, Grand
          Hilton Ballroom

        


        

        
If you want to invite anyone remote to watch the
          sessions, please send them that link. 

        


        

        
Please note that for viewers in Germany who are
          restricted from watching YouTube live streams, we have
          arranged to *also* stream the video through the Internet
          Society's
          Livestream.com account which we are told *is*
          viewable in Germany. Those links are also on the
          https://www.ietf.org/live/page.

        


        

        
Enjoy,

        
Dan

        


        

        
P.S. The Internet Society's briefing panel on
          Tuesday, 21 July from 11:45-12:45pm CEST will also be streamed
          live. More info about it can be found at:https://www.internetsociety.org/internet-society-briefing-panel-ietf-93

        


        

        

          

            

              

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The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening. 
Tonight's session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one 
could even start trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before 
one is able to eat, which in my view, is far too late.  I know people 
hated the old-old schedule that went until 10, but at least that had 
a dinner break at a 6:00, a reasonable hour; if we absolutely must go 
late, that was a better way to do it.  The schedule this time forces 
people to either try to sleep on a full stomach (which I can't do), 
skip dinner, or stay up way late and be sleep-deprived, fueled by 
caffeine and adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meetings 
and bad technical work).

-- 
Randall Gellens
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Randall Gellens wrote:

> The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening. Tonight's
> session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one could even start
> trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before one is able to eat, which
> in my view, is far too late.  I know people hated the old-old schedule that
> went until 10, but at least that had a dinner break at a 6:00, a reasonable
> hour; if we absolutely must go late, that was a better way to do it.  The
> schedule this time forces people to either try to sleep on a full stomach
> (which I can't do), skip dinner, or stay up way late and be sleep-deprived,
> fueled by caffeine and adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meetings
> and bad technical work).
> 
> -- 
> Randall Gellens
> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only

Randall,

I agree with you, but the topic deserves discussion beyond the current 
attendee list, so I have taken the liberty of copying the IESG and 
IAOC on this reply.

As you know, the "European dinner schedule" was introduced at one of 
our Paris meetings to account for the fact that many restaurants there 
would not even be open at our previous 17:30 - 18:00 end time. It 
seems that some of our current end times have slipped beyond the 
original concept, so I think this deserves some further discussion.

(Of course I have a personal interest in this since I am arranging an 
event in Yokohama that I am hoping to start at 19:00, but I still 
agree that we need to re-think the schedule)

Ole Jacobsen
Principal without Chorus
Organdemo.info
http://www.yokohama-organdemo.org/


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Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that constrains you =
to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to then come back and meet s=
ome more.=20

Kireeti.

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 01:40, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
>=20
>=20
>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>=20
>> The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening. Tonight'=
s
>> session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one could even star=
t
>> trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before one is able to eat,=
 which
>> in my view, is far too late.  I know people hated the old-old schedule t=
hat
>> went until 10, but at least that had a dinner break at a 6:00, a reasona=
ble
>> hour; if we absolutely must go late, that was a better way to do it.  Th=
e
>> schedule this time forces people to either try to sleep on a full stomac=
h
>> (which I can't do), skip dinner, or stay up way late and be sleep-depriv=
ed,
>> fueled by caffeine and adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meet=
ings
>> and bad technical work).
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Randall Gellens
>> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
>=20
> Randall,
>=20
> I agree with you, but the topic deserves discussion beyond the current=20
> attendee list, so I have taken the liberty of copying the IESG and=20
> IAOC on this reply.
>=20
> As you know, the "European dinner schedule" was introduced at one of=20
> our Paris meetings to account for the fact that many restaurants there=20
> would not even be open at our previous 17:30 - 18:00 end time. It=20
> seems that some of our current end times have slipped beyond the=20
> original concept, so I think this deserves some further discussion.
>=20
> (Of course I have a personal interest in this since I am arranging an=20
> event in Yokohama that I am hoping to start at 19:00, but I still=20
> agree that we need to re-think the schedule)
>=20
> Ole Jacobsen
> Principal without Chorus
> Organdemo.info
> http://www.yokohama-organdemo.org/
>=20
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that 
> constrains you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to 
> then come back and meet some more.
> 
> Kireeti.
> 

And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
probably does not contribute to overall productivity.

So many meetings, so little time....

Ole


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> Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that constrains
> you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to then come back
> and meet some more.

yup


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I prefer that as well.  I never liked the earlier dinner break schedule.

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On 21/07/2015 11:52, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
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> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Kireeti Kompella wrote:
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>> Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that 
>> constrains you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to 
>> then come back and meet some more.

I think of the current arrangement as the "Paris schedule", because
we introduced it for IETF 63, since the old schedule with "dinner"
at 5:30 p.m. would have been laughable in Paris, where many restaurants
simply don't serve meals that early.

But people liked it better, for the reason Kireeti gave, so it stuck.

>>
>> Kireeti.
>>
> 
> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.

As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday
afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.

    Brian

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> So many meetings, so little time....
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter =
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>> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
>> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.
>=20
> As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday
> afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.

The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up real =
meeting time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.

That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and =
anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.

But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who =
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I haven=B9t gone back to look at all previous meeting schedules, but I
looked at the most recent one:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/92/agenda.html

WG meetings ended at 1830 or 1840 daily. Plenaries started late, as
with Social, Bits-n-Bites, but at least the latter two provided food.

So is it the case that daytime plenaries tacked on an hour to the
schedule? That effort failed, because after just one day of meetings, I=B9m
going to miss the tech plenary, because I need a nap after my breakfast
meeting.

Lee


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>The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening.
>Tonight's session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one
>could even start trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before
>one is able to eat, which in my view, is far too late.  I know people
>hated the old-old schedule that went until 10, but at least that had
>a dinner break at a 6:00, a reasonable hour; if we absolutely must go
>late, that was a better way to do it.  The schedule this time forces
>people to either try to sleep on a full stomach (which I can't do),
>skip dinner, or stay up way late and be sleep-deprived, fueled by
>caffeine and adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meetings
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If you have one or two tickets to sell, let me know by direct email.

 

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I think the wired network is not =B3connected=B2 in all the rooms, at least
not in mine, and the WiFi is too slow and failing continuously.

Saludos,
Jordi






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>You in the Hilton?
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>The wired network seems to work fine for me.
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>http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4519211711
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???

Bell never supplied an acoustic coupler, it went against their business 
model.  I spent a lot of time defending my use of Anderson/Jacobson 
modems instead of a Bell decidated modem 101 or 102 on a 'conditioned' 
line (this is how they REALLY hit you up for fees).  I had one of the 
original AJ 1200 modems in an acoustic box (~ 14x16x6") before they 
invented the acoustic coupler.

I think it was either '75 or '76.

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    Bell never supplied an acoustic coupler, it went against their
    business model. I spent a lot of time defending my use of
    Anderson/Jacobson modems instead of a Bell decidated modem 101 or
    102 on a 'conditioned' line (this is how they REALLY hit you up for
    fees). I had one of the original AJ 1200 modems in an acoustic box
    (~ 14x16x6") before they invented the acoustic coupler.

    

    I think it was either '75 or '76.

    

    
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor  wrote:
> I'm glad that we recognize as a group that broad network experimentation
> should require ethical review, and i hope that in this case, the review
> should conclude that this particular experimentation should proceed.

100% agreed and could not have said it better myself; we just need to
do this thoughtfully, and that appears to be where this is headed.
Part of the struggle here is to build the ethical norms into research
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of the question (which is not trivial, but in no way insurmountable).

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On 7/20/2015 3:27 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
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I do not recall seeing anyone claim that the proposed experiment should
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Hi All,

W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
> And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke ?

I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke 
everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a 
pint of it ;-)

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at least once

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Hi All,

W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
> And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke ?

I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke every=
where in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a pint=
 of it ;-)

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of the day. I
understand that having them in the morning is more convenient for the
hotel, but they're here to serve us, not vice versa.

Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Yoav Nir  wrote:

>
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
> >> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
> >> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.
> >
> > As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday
> > afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.
>
> The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up real =
meeting
> time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.
>
> That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and
> anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.
>
> But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=E2=
=80=99t come for just a
> few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.
>
> Yoav
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I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of th=
e day. I understand that having them in the morning is more convenient for =
the hotel, but they're here to serve us, not vice versa.

<=
/div>
Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:1=
5 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:



>> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for=


>> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.

>

> As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday

> afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.



The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up =
real meeting time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.



That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and anyon=
e who wanted an early dinner could skip them.



But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=E2=80=
=99t come for just a few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.


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This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could be met.  With
concern requested, the time requested did decrease.

The plenaries are in the morning because it allows the rooms to be reset
during lunch.  Having them in the evening would have eaten the meeting
rooms for the time slot before the plenary which would have further
decreased the available meeting time for WG meetings.

I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attended.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Andrew G. Malis  wrote:

> I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of the day. I
> understand that having them in the morning is more convenient for the
> hotel, but they're here to serve us, not vice versa.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Yoav Nir  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
>> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
>> >> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>> >> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.
>> >
>> > As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday
>> > afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.
>>
>> The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up real=
 meeting
>> time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.
>>
>> That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and
>> anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.
>>
>> But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=E2=
=80=99t come for just a
>> few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.
>>
>> Yoav
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This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could=
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s to be reset during lunch.=C2=A0 Having them in the evening would have eat=
en the meeting rooms for the time slot before the plenary which would have =
further decreased the available meeting time for WG meetings.
I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite w=
ell attended.

Regards,
Alia
<=
div class=3D"gmail_extra">
On Tue, Jul 21, 20=
15 at 4:17 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
I also prefer going back t=
o the plenaries at the end of the day. I understand that having them in the=
 morning is more convenient for the hotel, but they're here to serve us=
, not vice versa.

Cheers,
Andy
=


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com&=
gt; wrote:
=


On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>=
; wrote:



>> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for=


>> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.

>

> As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday

> afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.



The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up =
real meeting time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.



That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and anyon=
e who wanted an early dinner could skip them.



But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=E2=80=
=99t come for just a few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.


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Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)

=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 201=
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> And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at least
> once
>
>         Regards,
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> Hi All,
>
> W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
> > And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke ?
>
> I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke
> everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
> Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a
> pint of it ;-)
>
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)=C2=A0

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=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Grego=
ry Mirsky  =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
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least once



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regards,

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Hi All,



W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:

> And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke =
?



I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke every=
where in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.

Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a =
pint of it ;-)



Best,

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

--

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?



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Alia,

That must have been a particular issue for this hotel, becuase in most
other IETFs, the meeting rooms were opened up during the snack break for
the plenary.

Cheers,
Andy

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Alia Atlas  wrote:

> This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could be met.  With
> concern requested, the time requested did decrease.
>
> The plenaries are in the morning because it allows the rooms to be reset
> during lunch.  Having them in the evening would have eaten the meeting
> rooms for the time slot before the plenary which would have further
> decreased the available meeting time for WG meetings.
>
> I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attended.
>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Andrew G. Malis 
> wrote:
>
>> I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of the day. I
>> understand that having them in the morning is more convenient for the
>> hotel, but they're here to serve us, not vice versa.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Yoav Nir  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
>>> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for
>>> >> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>>> >> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.
>>> >
>>> > As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday
>>> > afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.
>>>
>>> The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up rea=
l meeting
>>> time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.
>>>
>>> That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and
>>> anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.
>>>
>>> But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=
=E2=80=99t come for just a
>>> few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.
>>>
>>> Yoav
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Alia,

That must have been a particular =
issue for this hotel, becuase in most other IETFs, the meeting rooms were o=
pened up during the snack break for the plenary.

C=
heers,
Andy

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gma=
il.com> wrote:
This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could be met.=C2=
=A0 With concern requested, the time requested did decrease.

=

The plenaries are in the morning because it allows the rooms to be res=
et during lunch.=C2=A0 Having them in the evening would have eaten the meet=
ing rooms for the time slot before the plenary which would have further dec=
reased the available meeting time for WG meetings.

I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attende=
d.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gma=
il.com> wrote:
I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of the day. I und=
erstand that having them in the morning is more convenient for the hotel, b=
ut they're here to serve us, not vice versa.

Ch=
eers,
Andy


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ir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>=
; wrote:



>> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day, which for=


>> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8pm which
>> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.

>

> As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on Friday

> afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.



The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t take up =
real meeting time, we could shorten each meeting day by one hour.



That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and anyon=
e who wanted an early dinner could skip them.



But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the ones who don=E2=80=
=99t come for just a few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty intense.


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Jordi,
	All guest rooms wired connections in the Hilton are active and =
run back into the IETF network. If you=92re not getting link or =
addresses, please let us know at tickets@meeting.ietf.org =
. We=92ve been working with the hotel =
to fix up physical cabling issues to individual guest rooms with good =
success.

	As for wireless, we continue to work with the hotel contractor =
in tuning the APs, but there may not be a magic bullet. That said, we=92re=
 not much for giving up easily.

	- Jim

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:05 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ =
 wrote:
>=20
> I think the wired network is not =B3connected=B2 in all the rooms, at =
least
> not in mine, and the WiFi is too slow and failing continuously.
>=20
> Saludos,
> Jordi
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>=20
>=20
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ole =
Jacobsen
> 
> Responder a: Ole Jacobsen 
> Fecha: lunes, 20 de julio de 2015, 23:18
> Para: "Turner, Randy" 
> CC: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: [93attendees] Looking for Bell 103 acoustic coupler
>=20
>>=20
>> You in the Hilton?
>>=20
>> The wired network seems to work fine for me.
>>=20
>> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4519211711
>>=20
>> Ole
>>=20
>>=20
>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>> Editor and Publisher
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>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Turner, Randy wrote:
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Jordi,
	All guest rooms wired connections =
in the Hilton are active and run back into the IETF network. If you=92re =
not getting link or addresses, please let us know at tickets@meeting.ietf.org. We=92ve been working with the =
hotel to fix up physical cabling issues to individual guest rooms with =
good success.

	=
As for wireless, we continue to work with the hotel contractor in =
tuning the APs, but there may not be a magic bullet. That said, we=92re =
not much for giving up easily.

	- Jim

On =
Jul 21, 2015, at 8:05 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:

I think the wired =
network is not =B3connected=B2 in all the rooms, at least
not in mine, and the WiFi is too slow and failing =
continuously.

Saludos,
Jordi





-----Mensaje original-----
De: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ole =
Jacobsen
<olejacobsen@me.com>
Responder a: Ole =
Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com>
Fecha: lunes, 20 de =
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Para: "Turner, Randy" <Randy.Turner@landisgyr.com>
CC: "93attendees@ietf.org" =
<93attendees@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: =
[93attendees] Looking for Bell 103 acoustic coupler


You in =
the Hilton?

The wired network seems to work =
fine for me.

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4519211711

Ole


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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Turner, Randy wrote:

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Hi All,

If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your 
badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket, 
wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose 
(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of 
pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a 
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
-- 
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?


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Will do in a minute, thanks, I thought not all the hotel rooms were wired,
so that=A1=AFs didn=A1=AFt complained before :-(

Saludos,
Jordi






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>Jordi,	All guest rooms wired connections in the Hilton are active and run
>back into the IETF network. If you=A1=AFre not getting link or addresses,
>please let us know at tickets@meeting.ietf.org. We=A1=AFve been working with
>the hotel to fix up physical cabling issues to individual guest rooms
>with good success.
>
>	As for wireless, we continue to work with the hotel contractor in tuning
>the APs, but there may not be a magic bullet. That said, we=A1=AFre not much
>for giving up easily.
>
>	- Jim
>
>
>On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:05 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
> wrote:
>
>I think the wired network is not =A9=F8connected=A9=F7 in all the rooms, at least
>not in mine, and the WiFi is too slow and failing continuously.
>
>Saludos,
>Jordi
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Responder a: Ole Jacobsen 
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>Asunto: Re: [93attendees] Looking for Bell 103 acoustic coupler
>
>
>
>You in the Hilton?
>
>The wired network seems to work fine for me.
>
>http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4519211711
>
>Ole
>
>
>Ole J. Jacobsen
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>
>
>
>On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Turner, Randy wrote:
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>Trying to kick up the internet speed in my hotel room...fee paid
>
>Randy
>
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first come fist served

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taken! Marc.

On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:41, Luigi Iannone wrote:

> first come fist served
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On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:21, Alia Atlas wrote:

> I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well 
> attended.

Let's see what the energy level is in the last meeting of the day. 
Long-day fatigue is likely to have more impact on working group meetings 
than on plenaries.


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Gone! Thanks.


L.


> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:41, Luigi Iannone  wrote:
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> Luigi


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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:22, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2  =
wrote:
>=20
> Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)

Actually, it is Kolaloka - "If you want to be fast on trigger, you got =
to drink Kolaloka!"

T-shirt is available at least:

http://www.geekshirts.cz/motivy/tricko/kolaloka/

Lada

> =20
>=20
> =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F =
2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=
=BB=D1=8C Gregory Mirsky =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
> And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at least =
once
>=20
>         Regards,
>                 Greg
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Piotr Wydrych
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 AM
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>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
> > And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet =
Coke ?
>=20
> I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke =
everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
> Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a =
pint of it ;-)
>=20
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> --
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. =
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> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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If you are in the subway if possible "sit" instead of staying around.

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> Am 21.07.2015 um 10:33 schrieb ext Piotr Wydrych :
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> Hi All,
>=20
> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your bad=
ge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket, wherever) duri=
ng the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose (tram, metro, feet=
), you'll cross the city center where density of pickpockets per sq. kilome=
ter is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a `I'm a non-careful tourist' =
sign.
>=20
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> --=20
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/
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> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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The best series for IETFers you really have to watch is A je to! Pat a =
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I have to find shirt or figurines. They made me laugh so many times

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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Ladislav Lhotka  wrote:
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>=20
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:22, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2  =
wrote:
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>> Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)
>=20
> Actually, it is Kolaloka - "If you want to be fast on trigger, you got =
to drink Kolaloka!"
>=20
> T-shirt is available at least:
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> http://www.geekshirts.cz/motivy/tricko/kolaloka/
>=20
> Lada
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>>=20
>>=20
>> =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F=
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=D0=BB=D1=8C Gregory Mirsky =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
>> And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at =
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>>        Regards,
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Piotr Wydrych
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 AM
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>> Hi All,
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>> W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
>>> And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet =
Coke ?
>>=20
>> I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke =
everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
>> Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least =
a pint of it ;-)
>>=20
>> Best,
>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>> --
>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. =
http://wydrych.net/
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>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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somewhere between the exercise facility on the Mezzanine level and my 
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Hello,
I say that Prague is quite safe place and to prove that, I'll go with my 
batch visible! :-)
Who's in and who's interested in creation of a group of brave travelers? :-)
Tomas



Dne 21. července 2015 10:33:40 Piotr Wydrych  napsal:

> Hi All,
>
> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your
> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose
> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a
> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> --
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>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.

Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

M

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Hi All,

If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your=20
badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,=20
wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose=20
(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of=20
pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a=20
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
--=20
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Ben,

This may have been particularly unique to the dramatic change in time zone
and meeting after dinner, but when we met in Adelaide, we still had the
schedule where we had dinner and then returned for meetings from 19:30 to
22:00. I was in the MPLS WG meeting that evening, and at least half the
room was fast asleep.

Cheers,
Andy


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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:21, Alia Atlas wrote:
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>  I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attended.
>>
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> Let's see what the energy level is in the last meeting of the day.
> Long-day fatigue is likely to have more impact on working group meetings
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Ben,

This may have been particularly un=
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 we met in Adelaide, we still had the schedule where we had dinner and then=
 returned for meetings from 19:30 to 22:00. I was in the MPLS WG meeting th=
at evening, and at least half the room was fast asleep.

Cheers,
Andy


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On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:21, Alia Atlas wrote:





I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attended=
.





Let's see what the energy level is in the last meeting of the day. Long=
-day fatigue is likely to have more impact on working group meetings than o=
n plenaries.





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Simon

> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:
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> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
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> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
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On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:

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BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.

Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

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Hi All,

If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your=
 
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Best,
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Stand corrected.
Memory failure, sorry, it was more than 40 years ago, when I see it ;)

=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 201=
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=BB=D1=8C Ladislav Lhotka =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

>
> > On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:22, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2  > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)
>
> Actually, it is Kolaloka - "If you want to be fast on trigger, you got to
> drink Kolaloka!"
>
> T-shirt is available at least:
>
> http://www.geekshirts.cz/motivy/tricko/kolaloka/
>
> Lada
>
> >
> >
> > =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F=
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=D0=BB=D1=8C Gregory Mirsky =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
> > And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at least
> once
> >
> >         Regards,
> >                 Greg
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org ]
> On Behalf Of Piotr Wydrych
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 AM
> > To: 93attendees@ietf.org 
> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] [93all] IETF 93 - Breaks
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:
> > > And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet Coke=
 ?
> >
> > I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke
> everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia.
> > Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at least a
> pint of it ;-)
> >
> > Best,
> > Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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Stand corrected.
Memory failure, sorry, it was more than 40 years ago, =
when I see it ;)

=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=
=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=
=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Ladislav Lhotka  =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=
=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:


> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:22, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 <vdo=
lmatov@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Yeah, and find ColaRoca Lemonade somewhere ;)



Actually, it is Kolaloka - "If you want to be fast on trigger, you got=
 to drink Kolaloka!"



T-shirt is available at least:



http://www.geekshirts.cz/motivy/tricko/kolaloka/



Lada



>

>

> =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=
=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=
=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Gregory Mirsky =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:<=
br>
> And watched Lemonade Joe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058275/ at least onc=
e

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Greg

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-boun=
ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Piotr Wydrych

> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 AM

> To: 93attendees@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [93attendees] [93all] IETF 93 - Breaks

>

> Hi All,

>

> W dniu 2015-07-20 o 19:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ pisze:

> > And I guess it will be possible to have ZERO in addition to diet =
Coke ?

>

> I wish coke would be replaced by Kofola. You can drink Coca-cola coke =
everywhere in the world, but Kofola - only in Czech Republic & Slovakia=
.

> Actually, you cannot say you've visited CZ unless you drink at lea=
st a pint of it ;-)

>

> Best,

> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

> --

> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

>

> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.<=
br>
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

>

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Any chance of a separate social tickets mailing list in the future? =
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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:45, Luigi Iannone  wrote:
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> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz
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> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
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> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
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> M
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> Hi All,
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> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your
> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose
> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a
> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>
> Best,
> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> --
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> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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Best,
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>
> вторник, 21 июля 2015 г. пользователь Simon Pietro Romano написал:
>
>     Even better: DON’T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DON’T
>     leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists
>     are still alive out there!
>
> And inside too ;)

Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

                     MK

>     Simon
>
>>     On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz
>>      wrote:
>>
>>     BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>
>>     Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>
>>     M
>>
>>     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>       Original Message
>>     From: Piotr Wydrych
>>     Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>     To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>     
>>     Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>
>>     Hi All,
>>
>>     If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide
>>     your
>>     badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
>>     wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you
>>     choose
>>     (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
>>     pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a
>>     badge is a
>>     `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>     -- 
>>     Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl ..
>>     http://wydrych.net/
>>
>>     A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>>     Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
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      вторник, 21 июля 2015 г. пользователь Simon Pietro Romano написал:

      

        
Even better: DON’T leave the
          convention venue!! I repeat: DON’T leave the convention
          venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive
          out there!
          


          

        

      

      
And inside too ;)

    

    

    Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

    

                        MK

    

    

      
 

      

        

          
Simon

          


            

              

                
On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:

                

                
BTW this is best current practice at ANY
                  destination.

                  

                  Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

                  

                  M

                  

                  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

                    Original Message  

                  From: Piotr Wydrych

                  Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

                  To: 93attendees@ietf.org

                  Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

                  

                  Hi All,

                  

                  If you are going to the social today, I advise you
                  that you hide your 

                  badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in
                  a pocket, 

                  wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport
                  mean you choose 

                  (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center
                  where density of 

                  pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-)
                  Wearing a badge is a 

                  `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

                  

                  Best,

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

                  -- 

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl
                  .. http://wydrych.net/

                  

                  A: Because it messes up the order in which people
                  normally read text.

                  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

                  

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You nailed it.
"Common sense, the less common of all senses "(roughly =
adapted from a popular
saying we use in South America)

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Michal Krsek  wrote:


=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =
=D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=
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=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
Even better: DON=E2=80=99T =
leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DON=E2=80=99T leave the
convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive out
there!
And inside too ;)
Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

MK

Simon
On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, [about:blank] michal@krsek.cz [michal@krsek.cz] =
wrote:
BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.

Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

M

Sent from my BlackBerry =
10 smartphone.
Original Message
From: Piotr Wydrych
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
To: 93attendees@ietf.org [about:blank]
Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

Hi All,

If you are going to the social=
 today, I advise you that you hide your
badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt,=
 in a backpack, in a pocket,
wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the =
transport mean you choose
(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center=
 where density of
pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) =
Wearing a badge is a
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
--
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl =
.. http://wydrych.net/ [http://wydrych.net/]

A: Because it messes up the =
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad =
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You nailed it. 

"Common sense, the less common of =
all senses "(roughly adapted from a popular saying we use in South =
America)

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Even better: DON=E2=80=99T =
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          convention venue!! I repeat: DON=E2=80=99T leave the =
convention
          venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still=
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And inside too ;)

    

    

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                        MK

    

    

      
 

      

        

          
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On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, =
michal@krsek.cz wrote:

                

                
BTW this is best current practice=
 at ANY
                  destination.

                  

                  Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

                  

                  M

                  

                  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

                    Original Message  

                  From: Piotr =
Wydrych

                  Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

                  To: 93attendees@ietf.org

                  Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

                  

                  Hi All,

                  

                  If you are going to the social today, I advise you
                  that you hide your 

                  badge and =
lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in
                  a pocket, =


                  wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the =
transport
                  mean you choose 

                  (tram, =
metro, feet), you'll cross the city center
                  where density =
of 

                  pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible =
;-)
                  Wearing a badge is a 

                  `I'm a =
non-careful tourist' sign.

                  

                  Best,

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

                  -- 

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. =
xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl
                  .. http://wydrych.net/

                  

                  A: Because it messes up the order =
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                  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

                  

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> Gone! Thanks.

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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Fred Baker (fred)  wrote:
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> I also have one to sell. FCFS.

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Agreed.

I think the primary issue is that there are too many sessions per day,
presumably to minimize overlap. One could skip the late sessions if
desired (as I did yesterday), but in my case I was still unable to eat
dinner until 9:00 because I had dinner plans with fellow attendees who
*were* at those sessions. I'd almost rather the conference go one
additional day and otherwise be done by 6:00 every night.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Kireeti Kompella  wrote:
> Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that constrains you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to then come back and meet some more.
>
> Kireeti.
>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 01:40, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>>
>>> The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening. Tonight's
>>> session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one could even start
>>> trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before one is able to eat, which
>>> in my view, is far too late.  I know people hated the old-old schedule that
>>> went until 10, but at least that had a dinner break at a 6:00, a reasonable
>>> hour; if we absolutely must go late, that was a better way to do it.  The
>>> schedule this time forces people to either try to sleep on a full stomach
>>> (which I can't do), skip dinner, or stay up way late and be sleep-deprived,
>>> fueled by caffeine and adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meetings
>>> and bad technical work).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Randall Gellens
>>> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
>>
>> Randall,
>>
>> I agree with you, but the topic deserves discussion beyond the current
>> attendee list, so I have taken the liberty of copying the IESG and
>> IAOC on this reply.
>>
>> As you know, the "European dinner schedule" was introduced at one of
>> our Paris meetings to account for the fact that many restaurants there
>> would not even be open at our previous 17:30 - 18:00 end time. It
>> seems that some of our current end times have slipped beyond the
>> original concept, so I think this deserves some further discussion.
>>
>> (Of course I have a personal interest in this since I am arranging an
>> event in Yokohama that I am hoping to start at 19:00, but I still
>> agree that we need to re-think the schedule)
>>
>> Ole Jacobsen
>> Principal without Chorus
>> Organdemo.info
>> http://www.yokohama-organdemo.org/
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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:07, Michal Krsek  wrote:
>>=20
>> =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F=
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=D0=BB=D1=8C Simon Pietro Romano =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=
:
>> Even better: DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry =
ex-communists are still alive out there!
>>=20
>> And inside too ;)
>=20
> Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

Well, indeed. You don=E2=80=99t need to carry a wallet, just some cash =
in a front pocket.

Another perspective on this issue is that it is not the pickpockets who =
are taking from us (and I think the risk is little different to many =
other large European cites), rather we=E2=80=99re not giving as much to =
the local people as we might do at other venues. We=E2=80=99re enjoying =
excellent value food and drink, and cheap taxi fares around this =
beautiful city. If we were in a North American city, or perhaps London =
or Paris, we=E2=80=99d probably be spending at least $10 each more per =
person per day out and about, which translates to $500,000 or more of =
economic benefit to the city being visited. It=E2=80=99s a great city, a =
great IETF venue, and we get excellent value here.

Tim

>=20
>                     MK
>=20
>> =20
>> Simon
>>=20
>>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53,  =
michal@krsek.cz =
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>>=20
>>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>>=20
>>> M
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>   Original Message =20
>>> From: Piotr Wydrych
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org =

>>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>>=20
>>> Hi All,
>>>=20
>>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide =
your=20
>>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,=20
>>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you =
choose=20
>>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of=20=

>>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge =
is a=20
>>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>>=20
>>> Best,
>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>> --=20
>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl <> .. =
http://wydrych.net/ 
>>>=20
>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read =
text.
>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>>=20
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>>> 93attendees@ietf.org =

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>>>=20
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_\\|//_
>>                            				      ( O-O )
>>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>                     				Simon Pietro Romano
>>              				 Universita' di Napoli =
Federico II
>>                 		     Computer Engineering Department=20
>> 	             Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816
>>                                            e-mail: spromano@unina.it =

>>=20
>> 		    <> 		    idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi scoraggio>>. =
Magritte.
>>                			                     oooO
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>> 					                 \ (            =
(   )
>> 			                                  \_)          ) =
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>>=20
>>=20
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>> DELL'UNIVERSITA' DI NAPOLI
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21 Jul 2015, at 10:07, Michal Krsek <michal@krsek.cz> wrote:


      =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=
=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=
=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Simon Pietro Romano =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=
=BB:

      

        
Even better: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the
          convention venue!! I repeat: DON=E2=80=99T leave the =
convention
          venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive
          out there!
          


          

        

      

      
And inside too ;)

    

    

    Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

Well, =
indeed. You don=E2=80=99t need to carry a wallet, just some cash in a =
front pocket.

Another perspective on =
this issue is that it is not the pickpockets who are taking from us (and =
I think the risk is little different to many other large European =
cites), rather we=E2=80=99re not giving as much to the local people as =
we might do at other venues. We=E2=80=99re enjoying excellent value food =
and drink, and cheap taxi fares around this beautiful city. If we were =
in a North American city, or perhaps London or Paris, we=E2=80=99d =
probably be spending at least $10 each more per person per day out and =
about, which translates to $500,000 or more of economic benefit to the =
city being visited. It=E2=80=99s a great city, a great IETF venue, and =
we get excellent value here.

Tim


    

                =
        MK

    

    

      
 

      

        

          
Simon

          


            

              

                
On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:

                

                
BTW this is best current practice at ANY
                  destination.

                  

                  Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

                  

                  M

                  

                  =
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

                    Original Message  

                  From: Piotr Wydrych

                  Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

                  To: 93attendees@ietf.org

                  Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

                  

                  Hi All,

                  

                  If you are going to the social today, I advise you
                  that you hide your 

                  badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in
                  a pocket, 

                  wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport
                  mean you choose 

                  (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center
                  where density of 

                  pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-)
                  Wearing a badge is a 

                  `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

                  

                  Best,

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

                  -- 

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl
                  .. http://wydrych.net/

                  

                  A: Because it messes up the order in which people
                  normally read text.

                  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

                  

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 				=
 
                                    ( O-O )

                              
 
                                =
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                              
      =
              	=
			Simon
                                Pietro Romano

                              
      =
       				 Universita'
                                di Napoli Federico II

                              
      =
          		 
                                   Computer Engineering =
Department 

                              
	 
                                           =
Phone: +39 081 7683823 --
                                Fax: +39 081 7683816

                              
      =
                    =
           
                                     e-mail: spromano@unina.it

                              


                              

                              
		 
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                                scoraggiamento =C3=A8 l'alibi =
degli 

                              
		=
  
                                 idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e =
mi
                                scoraggio>>. Magritte.

                              
      =
         			=
 
                                          =
         oooO

                              
  =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(  
                                =
)~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                              
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                DELL'UNIVERSITA' DI NAPOLI

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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:16, Tim Chown  wrote:
>=20
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:07, Michal Krsek > wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F=
 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=
=D0=BB=D1=8C Simon Pietro Romano =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=
:
>>> Even better: DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry =
ex-communists are still alive out there!
>>>=20
>>> And inside too ;)
>>=20
>> Just using common sense helps a lot :-)
>=20
> Well, indeed. You don=E2=80=99t need to carry a wallet, just some cash =
in a front pocket.
>=20
> Another perspective on this issue is that it is not the pickpockets =
who are taking from us (and I think the risk is little different to many =
other large European cites), rather we=E2=80=99re not giving as much to =
the local people as we might do at other venues. We=E2=80=99re enjoying =
excellent value food and drink, and cheap taxi fares around this =
beautiful city. If we were in a North American city, or perhaps London =
or Paris, we=E2=80=99d probably be spending at least $10 each more per =
person per day out and about, which translates to $500,000 or more of =
economic benefit to the city being visited. It=E2=80=99s a great city, a =
great IETF venue, and we get excellent value here.

Ooops, morning maths! $50,000 :)

Tim

>=20
> Tim
>=20
>>=20
>>                     MK
>>=20
>>> =20
>>> Simon
>>>=20
>>>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53,  =
michal@krsek.cz =
 wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>>>=20
>>>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>>>=20
>>>> M
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>   Original Message =20
>>>> From: Piotr Wydrych
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org =

>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>=20
>>>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide =
your=20
>>>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,=20
>>>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you =
choose=20
>>>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of=20=

>>>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge =
is a=20
>>>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>>>=20
>>>> Best,
>>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>>> --=20
>>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl <> .. =
http://wydrych.net/ 
>>>>=20
>>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read =
text.
>>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>>>=20
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org =

>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees =

>>>>=20
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>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees =

>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>                      					       =
_\\|//_
>>>                            				      ( O-O )
>>>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>                     				Simon Pietro =
Romano
>>>              				 Universita' di Napoli =
Federico II
>>>                 		     Computer Engineering Department=20
>>> 	             Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816
>>>                                            e-mail: spromano@unina.it =

>>>=20
>>> 		    <>> 		    idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi scoraggio>>. =
Magritte.
>>>                			                     oooO
>>>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(   )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> 					                 \ (            =
(   )
>>> 			                                  \_)          ) =
/
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  (_/
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>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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On =
21 Jul 2015, at 10:16, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>=
 wrote:

On 21 =
Jul 2015, at 10:07, Michal Krsek <michal@krsek.cz> wrote:


      =D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 21 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=
=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=
=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Simon Pietro Romano =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=
=BB:

      

        
Even better: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the
          convention venue!! I repeat: DON=E2=80=99T leave the =
convention
          venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive
          out there!
          


          

        

      

      
And inside too ;)

    

    

    Just using common sense helps a lot :-)

Well, indeed. You don=E2=80=99t need to carry a wallet, =
just some cash in a front pocket.

Another perspective on this issue is =
that it is not the pickpockets who are taking from us (and I think the =
risk is little different to many other large European cites), rather =
we=E2=80=99re not giving as much to the local people as we might do at =
other venues. We=E2=80=99re enjoying excellent value food and drink, and =
cheap taxi fares around this beautiful city. If we were in a North =
American city, or perhaps London or Paris, we=E2=80=99d probably be =
spending at least $10 each more per person per day out and about, which =
translates to $500,000 or more of economic benefit to the city being =
visited. It=E2=80=99s a great city, a great IETF venue, and we get =
excellent value here.

Ooops, morning maths! $50,000 :)

Tim


Tim


    

                =
        MK

    

    

      
 

      

        

          
Simon

          


            

              

                
On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:

                

                
BTW this is best current practice at ANY
                  destination.

                  

                  Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

                  

                  M

                  

                  =
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

                    Original Message  

                  From: Piotr Wydrych

                  Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

                  To: 93attendees@ietf.org

                  Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

                  

                  Hi All,

                  

                  If you are going to the social today, I advise you
                  that you hide your 

                  badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in
                  a pocket, 

                  wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport
                  mean you choose 

                  (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center
                  where density of 

                  pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-)
                  Wearing a badge is a 

                  `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

                  

                  Best,

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

                  -- 

                  Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl
                  .. http://wydrych.net/

                  

                  A: Because it messes up the order in which people
                  normally read text.

                  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

                  

                  _______________________________________________

                  93attendees mailing list

                  93attendees@ietf.org

                  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

                  

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=

                      
=

                          

                            

                              
      =
               					=
  
                                    _\\|//_

                              
      =
                    =
 				=
 
                                    ( O-O )

                              
 
                                =
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                              
      =
              	=
			Simon
                                Pietro Romano

                              
      =
       				 Universita'
                                di Napoli Federico II

                              
      =
          		 
                                   Computer Engineering =
Department 

                              
	 
                                           =
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Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote participation! ;-)

Seriously, I think I am at greater risk from tripping on a cobblestone.

Jason



On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano" > wrote:

Even better: DON=92T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DON=92T leave t=
he convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive =
out there!

Simon

On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:

BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.

Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

M

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Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

Hi All,

If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your
badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose
(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Even better: DON=92T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DON=92T leave t=
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out there!






Simon









On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, 
michal@krsek.cz wrote:




BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.



Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.



M



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  Original Message  

From: Piotr Wydrych

Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

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Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets



Hi All,



If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your 

badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket, 

wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose 

(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of 

pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a 
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.



Best,

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

-- 

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xm=
pp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl ..
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Livingood, Jason
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Even more better: stay in your =
hotel room and use remote participation! ;-)
Seriously, I think I am at =
greater risk from tripping on a cobblestone.
Jason


On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano" < spromano@unina.it =
[spromano@unina.it] > wrote:
Even better: DON=E2=80=99T leave the =
convention venue!! I repeat: DON=E2=80=99T leave the
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there!
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On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz [michal@krsek.cz] =
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BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.

Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

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From: Piotr Wydrych
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To: 93attendees@ietf.org =
[93attendees@ietf.org]
Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

Hi All,

If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your
badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose
(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a
`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
--
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl [about:blank] .. =
http://wydrych.net/ [http://wydrych.net/]

A: Because it messes up the =
order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad =
thing?

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Or being run over by a tram (almost happened to me yesterday)

:-)


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM,  Livingood=
, Jason <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
            =









Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote participation=
! ;-) 







Seriously, I think I am at greater =
risk from tripping on a cobblestone.







Jason 


























On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano" <spromano@unina.it> wrote:














Even better: DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry =
ex-communists are still alive out there!






Simon









On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, 
michal@krsek.cz =
wrote:




BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.



Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.=




M



Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

  Original Message  

From: Piotr Wydrych

Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

To: 93attendees@ietf.org

Subject: [93attendees] =
Pickpockets



Hi All,



If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you=
 hide your 

badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a =
backpack, in a pocket, 

wherever) during the trip. =
Regardless of the transport mean you choose 

(tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of 

pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a =
badge is a 

`I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.



Best,

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

-- 

Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl ..
http://wydrych.net/



A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?



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At 11:48 PM +0000 7/20/15, Kireeti Kompella wrote:

>  Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that 
> constrains you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to 
> then come back and meet some more.

It's a question of what to optimize for:
	- Sheer quantity of meeting time
	- Opportunity for attendees to have adequate sleep
	- Opportunities for attendees to eat
	- Opportunities for ad-hoc meetings and socializing

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At 5:14 AM -0400 7/21/15, Kyle Rose wrote:

>  I think the primary issue is that there are too many sessions per day,
>  presumably to minimize overlap. One could skip the late sessions if
>  desired (as I did yesterday), but in my case I was still unable to eat
>  dinner until 9:00 because I had dinner plans with fellow attendees who
>  *were* at those sessions. I'd almost rather the conference go one
>  additional day and otherwise be done by 6:00 every night.

I'd be fine with extending by an extra day, and/or having WG sessions 
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> Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote 
> participation! ;-)
That's a funny enough post to end this pickpocket email thread IMO.
Back to work now.

Benoit.
>
> Seriously, I think I am at greater risk from tripping on a cobblestone.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano"  > wrote:
>
>     Even better: DONT leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DONT
>     leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists
>     are still alive out there!
>
>     Simon
>
>>     On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz
>>      wrote:
>>
>>     BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>
>>     Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>
>>     M
>>
>>     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>       Original Message
>>     From: Piotr Wydrych
>>     Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>     To: 93attendees@ietf.org 
>>     Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>
>>     Hi All,
>>
>>     If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide
>>     your
>>     badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
>>     wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you
>>     choose
>>     (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
>>     pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a
>>     badge is a
>>     `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>     -- 
>>     Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl ..
>>     http://wydrych.net/
>>
>>     A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>>     Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote
          participation! ;-) 

        

      

    

    That's a funny enough post to end this pickpocket email thread IMO.

    Back to work now.

    

    Benoit.

    

      

        


        

        
Seriously, I think I am at greater risk from tripping on a
          cobblestone.

        


        

        
Jason

        


        

        

          


          

        

      

      


      

      
        

          
On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano" <spromano@unina.it>
            wrote:

        

        


        

        

          

            

              Even better: DONT leave the convention venue!! I repeat:
              DONT leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry
              ex-communists are still alive out there!
              


              

              
Simon

              


                

                  

                    
On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, 
                        michal@krsek.cz wrote:

                    

                    
BTW this is best current practice at
                      ANY destination.

                      

                      Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.

                      

                      M

                      

                      SentfrommyBlackBerry10smartphone.

                       Original Message 

                      From: Piotr Wydrych

                      Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33

                      To: 93attendees@ietf.org

                      Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets

                      

                      Hi All,

                      

                      If you are going to the social today, I advise you
                      that you hide your 

                      badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack,
                      in a pocket, 

                      wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the
                      transport mean you choose 

                      (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center
                      where density of 

                      pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible
                      ;-) Wearing a badge is a 

                      `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.

                      

                      Best,

                      Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych

                      -- 

                      Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl
                      ..
                      http://wydrych.net/

                      

                      A: Because it messes up the order in which people
                      normally read text.

                      Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

                      

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                                    Pietro Romano

                                  
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 02:34:53AM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 11:48 PM +0000 7/20/15, Kireeti Kompella wrote:
> 
> > Speaking for myself, I far prefer this schedule to one that constrains
> >you to an hour and a half of dinner, and wants you to then come back and
> >meet some more.
> 
> It's a question of what to optimize for:
> 	- Sheer quantity of meeting time
> 	- Opportunity for attendees to have adequate sleep
> 	- Opportunities for attendees to eat
> 	- Opportunities for ad-hoc meetings and socializing
> 
> Personally, I value my health and strongly believe that my ability to get
> adequate sleep has a direct and immediate impact on my ability to contribute
> meaningfully and do high-quality work, and suggest that this holds true for
> others.  I know many others feel they are able to function on little sleep
> and lots of caffeine and adrenaline, and would disregard any studies
> suggesting they are deluding oneself.

        I have certainly seen an increase in interim meetings occuring
for various WGs that I track. I think this is a good thing trying to
get the work moved along.  Two WGs I plan to attend ended up
on Mon + Fri.  With the location and family obligations
at home, Friday ended up being my trek-home day meaning I will
miss these WGs.  I know scheduling is hard and I talked to the WG
chairs to ask for them to provide some input on the scheduling this
time.  I've already heard feedback that it should be better next time,
and for that I think those who offer up their time to help make the IETF
what it is, despite all the on-list and off-list gripes that occur.

        - Jared


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"We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I exp=
ected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (and =
especially to the full week pre-paid participants).

Thanks,
Orit.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Richard Lamb
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
> To: Carlos M. Martinez
> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
> Marsalek
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>=20
> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus t=
akes
> you to/from the Hilton.
>=20
>=20
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote=
:
> >
> > +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> >> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
> >>
> >> Does this include the companion program as well?
> >>
> >> Dean
> >>
> >>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
> >>>
> >>> Tomas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Daniel
> >>> Rozum
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> >>>
> >>> Hi all!
> >>>
> >>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
> tickets
> >>> for IETF attendees.
> >>>
> >>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
> >>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains=
) in
> >>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capita=
l
> >>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July=
 24,
> >>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it=
 is
> >>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Daniel Rozum
> >>> project coordinator
> >>> CZ.NIC
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> 93attendees mailing list
> >> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 93attendees mailing list
> > 93attendees@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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I do not intend to use mine, and would be happy to give it to you.

- jared

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Orit Levin (LCA)  =
wrote:
>=20
> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that =
I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working =
week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
>=20
> Thanks,
> Orit.
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Richard Lamb
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
>> To: Carlos M. Martinez
>> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
>> Marsalek
>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>>=20
>> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 =
bus takes
>> you to/from the Hilton.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks!
>>>=20
>>>> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
>>>> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
>>>>=20
>>>> Does this include the companion program as well?
>>>>=20
>>>> Dean
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
>> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Daniel
>>>>> Rozum
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>> tickets
>>>>> for IETF attendees.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a =
ticket
>>>>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for =
trains) in
>>>>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the =
capital
>>>>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to =
July 24,
>>>>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, =
it is
>>>>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Daniel Rozum
>>>>> project coordinator
>>>>> CZ.NIC
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
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>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> 93attendees mailing list
>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
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On 7/21/15 10:27 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> Alia,
>=20
> That must have been a particular issue for this hotel, becuase in most
> other IETFs, the meeting rooms were opened up during the snack break fo=
r
> the plenary.

Not really, we typically organize the rooms typically such that the
plenary room is un-occupied in the immediately proceeding meeting.

there are a bunch of inputs to the precise arrangement of the schedule.
this particular arrangement is driven by a number of accommodations,
which are not likely to precisely replicated in the future.

> Cheers,
> Andy
>=20
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Alia Atlas  > wrote:
>=20
>     This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could be met. =

>     With concern requested, the time requested did decrease.
>=20
>     The plenaries are in the morning because it allows the rooms to be
>     reset during lunch.  Having them in the evening would have eaten th=
e
>     meeting rooms for the time slot before the plenary which would have=

>     further decreased the available meeting time for WG meetings.
>=20
>     I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well atte=
nded.
>=20
>     Regards,
>     Alia
>=20
>     On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Andrew G. Malis      > wrote:
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>         I also prefer going back to the plenaries at the end of the day=
=2E
>         I understand that having them in the morning is more convenient=

>         for the hotel, but they're here to serve us, not vice versa.
>=20
>         Cheers,
>         Andy
>=20
>=20
>         On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Yoav Nir          > wrote:
>=20
>=20
>             On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Brian E Carpenter
>                          > wrote:
>=20
>             >> And I agree with that as well! But the current long day,=
 which for
>             >> many includes breakfast meetings, runs 7am to [nearly] 8=
pm which
>             >> probably does not contribute to overall productivity.
>             >
>             > As long as people want to arrive on Sunday and leave on F=
riday
>             > afternoon, it's hard to see what to change.
>=20
>             The two plenaries add up to 5 hours. If they didn=E2=80=99t=
 take up
>             real meeting time, we could shorten each meeting day by one=

>             hour.
>=20
>             That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of th=
e
>             day, and anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.=

>=20
>             But regardless, for =E2=80=9Creal IETF-ers=E2=80=9D, the on=
es who don=E2=80=99t come
>             for just a few sessions, an IETF week is always pretty inte=
nse.
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>             Yoav
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It was really nice that the meeting hosts ordered women's sized t-shirts as
that's not always the case.  Unfortunately, those are already all gone. The
lady at the desk said that a lot of guys are picking up women's sized
shirts.  If you  inadvertently did that, I'd be happy to trade my men's
size L for a women's size medium or L.  If you intentionally took a women's
sized shirt because you wanted to give it to someone else, please be more
considerate next time and wait to do this until later in the week to allow
the women that work in IETF to at least have an opportunity to get a shirt.

Thanks,
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It was really nice that the meeting hosts ordered wom=
en's sized t-shirts as that's not always the case.=C2=A0 Unfortunat=
ely, those are already all gone. The lady at the desk said that a lot of gu=
ys are picking up women's sized shirts.=C2=A0 If you =C2=A0inadvertentl=
y did that, I'd be happy to trade my men's size L for a women's=
 size medium or L.=C2=A0 If you intentionally took a women's sized shir=
t because you wanted to give it to someone else, please be more considerate=
 next time and wait to do this until later in the week to allow the women t=
hat work in IETF to at least have an opportunity to get a shirt.=C2=A0

Thanks,
Mary.


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On 21/07/2015 21:36, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 5:14 AM -0400 7/21/15, Kyle Rose wrote:
> 
>>  I think the primary issue is that there are too many sessions per day,
>>  presumably to minimize overlap. One could skip the late sessions if
>>  desired (as I did yesterday), but in my case I was still unable to eat
>>  dinner until 9:00 because I had dinner plans with fellow attendees who
>>  *were* at those sessions. I'd almost rather the conference go one
>>  additional day and otherwise be done by 6:00 every night.
> 
> I'd be fine with extending by an extra day, and/or having WG sessions on Sunday or later on Friday.

Let me disagree strongly. Saturday and Sunday are already full days for
some people - writing code rather than going to meetings, in many cases.
Sunday, Friday and Saturday are each unacceptable to some people for
personal reasons; using Friday morning is a compromise. Many people would
find taking more than 5 days out of the office impossible. I don't think
that we can completely avoid late evenings.

I hear a rumour of scaling back to only one plenary (like the old days).
That seems very desirable.

    Brian


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I am looking for a pass too as I stay at the Intercontinental
Thx u /Ph

Sent from my iPhone (any typo is Apple's fault, not mine...)

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:52, Jared Mauch  wrote:
>=20
> I do not intend to use mine, and would be happy to give it to you.
>=20
> - jared
>=20
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Orit Levin (LCA)  wrot=
e:
>>=20
>> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I =
expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (a=
nd especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Orit.
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Lamb
>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
>>> To: Carlos M. Martinez
>>> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
>>> Marsalek
>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>>>=20
>>> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus=
 takes
>>> you to/from the Hilton.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  wrot=
e:
>>>>=20
>>>> +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
>>>>> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Does this include the companion program as well?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Dean
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Daniel
>>>>>> Rozum
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
>>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>>> tickets
>>>>>> for IETF attendees.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticke=
t
>>>>>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for train=
s) in
>>>>>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capit=
al
>>>>>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to Jul=
y 24,
>>>>>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, i=
t is
>>>>>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Daniel Rozum
>>>>>> project coordinator
>>>>>> CZ.NIC
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
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I have 2 tickets. I will be in Congress Hall I for the first 2 afternoon =
sessions. Come see me, first come=E2=80=A6

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Hi,

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I want 2 thanks!
 
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [93attendees] Social =
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I have 2 tickets. I will be in Congress Hall I for the first 2 =
afternoon sessions. Come see me, first =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Yoav Nir  wrote:
> That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and =
anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Not that great... Free public transport tickets
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+1
I got a ticket already! :-)
Thanks!!!
Orit.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jared Mauch [mailto:jared@puck.Nether.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:23 AM
> To: Christian Koenning
> Cc: Philippe Klein; Jared Mauch; Orit Levin (LCA); Dean Bogdanovic;
> 93attendees@ietf.org; Daniel Rozum; Ing.Tomas Marsalek; Richard Lamb;
> Carlos M. Martinez
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Not that great... Free public transport ticket=
s
>=20
> 	Suggestion: If you do not intend to use your ticket, please
> consider returning it to the registration desk.
>=20
> 	- Jared
>=20
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:21:47AM +0000, Christian Koenning wrote:
> > I do not intend to use mine, I will ping you off list.
> > Christian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21/07/2015, 12:10, "93attendees on behalf of Philippe Klein"
> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of philippe@broadcom.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >I am looking for a pass too as I stay at the Intercontinental
> > >Thx u /Ph
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone (any typo is Apple's fault, not mine...)
> > >
> > >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:52, Jared Mauch 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I do not intend to use mine, and would be happy to give it to you.
> > >>
> > >> - jared
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Orit Levin (LCA) 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer th=
at
> I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working
> week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Orit.
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > >>>> Richard Lamb
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
> > >>>> To: Carlos M. Martinez
> > >>>> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org;
> Ing.Tomas
> > >>>> Marsalek
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 20=
7 bus
> takes
> > >>>> you to/from the Hilton.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez 
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> > >>>>>> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Does this include the companion program as well?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dean
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek
> 
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tomas
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf
> > >>>> Of Daniel
> > >>>>>>> Rozum
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi all!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public
> transport
> > >>>> tickets
> > >>>>>>> for IETF attendees.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a =
ticket
> > >>>>>>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for
> trains) in
> > >>>>>>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the
> capital
> > >>>>>>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 t=
o
> July 24,
> > >>>>>>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public
> transport, it is
> > >>>>>>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank you!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Daniel Rozum
> > >>>>>>> project coordinator
> > >>>>>>> CZ.NIC
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >_______________________________________________
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> --
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> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only min=
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Hello folks,

If anyone has another transport ticket to give away, I could put it to 
good use.

Regards,
Charlie P.


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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Orit Levin (LCA) wrote:

> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer 
> that I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF 
> working week (and especially to the full week pre-paid 
> participants).
> 
> Thanks,
> Orit.
> 

Sure, but it was a donation from the City of Prague and while the 
individual tickets may not have a large value, it does cost the
city something to provide this free service and obviously they
don't have an endless supply.

Ole


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This was a lovely favor that the host was able to get for IETF.  It is not
usual and is greatly appreciated.

Of course the host would figure out numbers based attendance projections
and what was practical to negotiate.

I am sorry that you are grumpy that you weren't able to take advantage of
this favor - but publicly snarling at not getting a nice but minor
consideration is a poor way to repay the hard work that our hosts have put
into the meeting.

Regards,
Alia
On Jul 21, 2015 11:51 AM, "Orit Levin (LCA)"  wrote:

> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I
> expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week
> (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
>
> Thanks,
> Orit.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > Richard Lamb
> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
> > To: Carlos M. Martinez
> > Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
> > Marsalek
> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> >
> > This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus
> takes
> > you to/from the Hilton.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> > >> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
> > >>
> > >> Does this include the companion program as well?
> > >>
> > >> Dean
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
> > >>>
> > >>> Tomas
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> > Of Daniel
> > >>> Rozum
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
> > >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi all!
> > >>>
> > >>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
> > tickets
> > >>> for IETF attendees.
> > >>>
> > >>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
> > >>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for
> trains) in
> > >>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the
> capital
> > >>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to
> July 24,
> > >>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport,
> it is
> > >>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you!
> > >>>
> > >>> Daniel Rozum
> > >>> project coordinator
> > >>> CZ.NIC
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> 93attendees mailing list
> > >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> 93attendees mailing list
> > >> 93attendees@ietf.org
> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 93attendees mailing list
> > > 93attendees@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 93attendees mailing list
> > 93attendees@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>
> _______________________________________________
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This was a lovely favor that the host was able to get for IE=
TF.=C2=A0 It is not usual and is greatly appreciated. 


Of course the host would figure out numbers based attendance=
 projections and what was practical to negotiate.=C2=A0 


I am sorry that you are grumpy that you weren't able to =
take advantage of this favor - but publicly snarling at not getting a nice =
but minor consideration is a poor way to repay the hard work that our hosts=
 have put into the meeting. 


Regards,

Alia


On Jul 21, 2015 11:51 AM, "Orit Levin (LCA)=
" <oritl@microsoft.com&g=
t; wrote:
"We=
 run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I e=
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d especially to the full week pre-paid participants).



Thanks,

Orit.



> -----Original Message-----

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of

> Richard Lamb

> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM

> To: Carlos M. Martinez

> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas

> Marsalek

> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets

>

> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bu=
s takes

> you to/from the Hilton.

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> > On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> >

> > +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:

> >> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!

> >>

> >> Does this include the companion program as well?

> >>

> >> Dean

> >>

> >>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek <tm@auditel.cz>

> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!

> >>>

> >>> Tomas

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> -----Original Message-----

> >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf

> Of Daniel

> >>> Rozum

> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM

> >>> To: 93attendees@i=
etf.org

> >>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets

> >>>

> >>> Hi all!

> >>>

> >>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public t=
ransport

> tickets

> >>> for IETF attendees.

> >>>

> >>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will rece=
ive a ticket

> >>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (excep=
t for trains) in

> >>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cove=
r the capital

> >>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, =
2015 to July 24,

> >>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public t=
ransport, it is

> >>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> >>>

> >>> Thank you!

> >>>

> >>> Daniel Rozum

> >>> project coordinator

> >>> CZ.NIC

> >>>

> >>> _______________________________________________

> >>> 93attendees mailing list

> >>> 93attendees@ietf.=
org

> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list=
info/93attendees

> >>>

> >>> _______________________________________________

> >>> 93attendees mailing list

> >>> 93attendees@ietf.=
org

> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list=
info/93attendees

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> 93attendees mailing list

> >> 93attendees@ietf.org<=
/a>

> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo=
/93attendees

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > 93attendees mailing list

> > 93attendees@ietf.org<=
br>
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93a=
ttendees

>

> _______________________________________________

> 93attendees mailing list

> 93attendees@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attend=
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On Sunday I went out of the hotel, took the subway, went to the =
astronomical clock, walked over the bridge, had lunch, all without =
having my wallet taken :-)

Bob

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Livingood, Jason =
 wrote:
>=20
> Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote =
participation! ;-)
>=20
> Seriously, I think I am at greater risk from tripping on a =
cobblestone.
>=20
> Jason
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano"  wrote:
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>> Even better: DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: =
DON=E2=80=99T leave the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry =
ex-communists are still alive out there!
>>=20
>> Simon
>>=20
>>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:
>>>=20
>>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>>=20
>>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>>=20
>>> M
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>   Original Message
>>> From: Piotr Wydrych
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>>=20
>>> Hi All,
>>>=20
>>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide =
your
>>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
>>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you =
choose
>>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
>>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge =
is a
>>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>>=20
>>> Best,
>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>> --
>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. =
http://wydrych.net/
>>>=20
>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read =
text.
>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Ted Lemon  wrote:
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Alia,

Thank you for putting an eloquent response for the silent majority=20

Dean



> On Jul 21, 2015, at 13:36, Alia Atlas  wrote:
>=20
> This was a lovely favor that the host was able to get for IETF.  It is not=
 usual and is greatly appreciated.
>=20
> Of course the host would figure out numbers based attendance projections a=
nd what was practical to negotiate.=20
>=20
> I am sorry that you are grumpy that you weren't able to take advantage of t=
his favor - but publicly snarling at not getting a nice but minor considerat=
ion is a poor way to repay the hard work that our hosts have put into the me=
eting.
>=20
> Regards,
> Alia
>=20
>> On Jul 21, 2015 11:51 AM, "Orit Levin (LCA)"  wrote:=

>> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I e=
xpected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (and=
 especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Orit.
>>=20
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Richard Lamb
>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
>> > To: Carlos M. Martinez
>> > Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
>> > Marsalek
>> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>> >
>> > This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus=
 takes
>> > you to/from the Hilton.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  wro=
te:
>> > >
>> > > +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
>> > >> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
>> > >>
>> > >> Does this include the companion program as well?
>> > >>
>> > >> Dean
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Tomas
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> > Of Daniel
>> > >>> Rozum
>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
>> > >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>> > >>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi all!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
>> > tickets
>> > >>> for IETF attendees.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a tick=
et
>> > >>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trai=
ns) in
>> > >>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capi=
tal
>> > >>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to Ju=
ly 24,
>> > >>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, i=
t is
>> > >>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thank you!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Daniel Rozum
>> > >>> project coordinator
>> > >>> CZ.NIC
>> > >>>
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> 93attendees mailing list
>> > >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>> > >>>
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
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>> > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > >> 93attendees@ietf.org
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>> > > 93attendees@ietf.org
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Alia,

Thank you for putting an eloquent response for the silent majority 

Dean



On Jul 21, 2015, at 13:36, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

This was a lovely favor that the host was able to get for IETF.  It is not usual and is greatly appreciated. 


Of course the host would figure out numbers based attendance projections and what was practical to negotiate.  


I am sorry that you are grumpy that you weren't able to take advantage of this favor - but publicly snarling at not getting a nice but minor consideration is a poor way to repay the hard work that our hosts have put into the meeting. 


Regards,

Alia


On Jul 21, 2015 11:51 AM, "Orit Levin (LCA)" <oritl@microsoft.com> wrote:
"We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).



Thanks,

Orit.



> -----Original Message-----

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of

> Richard Lamb

> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM

> To: Carlos M. Martinez

> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas

> Marsalek

> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets

>

> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus takes

> you to/from the Hilton.

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> > On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net> wrote:

> >

> > +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:

> >> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!

> >>

> >> Does this include the companion program as well?

> >>

> >> Dean

> >>

> >>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek <tm@auditel.cz>

> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!

> >>>

> >>> Tomas

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> -----Original Message-----

> >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf

> Of Daniel

> >>> Rozum

> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM

> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org

> >>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets

> >>>

> >>> Hi all!

> >>>

> >>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport

> tickets

> >>> for IETF attendees.

> >>>

> >>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket

> >>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in

> >>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital

> >>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24,

> >>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is

> >>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you!

> >>>

> >>> Daniel Rozum

> >>> project coordinator

> >>> CZ.NIC

> >>>

> >>> _______________________________________________

> >>> 93attendees mailing list

> >>> 93attendees@ietf.org

> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

> >>>

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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Alia Atlas  wrote:
>=20
> This IETF we had more WG meeting time requested than could be met.  With =
concern requested, the time requested did decrease.
>=20
> The plenaries are in the morning because it allows the rooms to be reset =
during lunch.  Having them in the evening would have eaten the meeting room=
s for the time slot before the plenary which would have further decreased t=
he available meeting time for WG meetings.
>=20
> I'm in the technical plenary now and it seems to be quite well attended.

I have a lot of sympathy for the secretariat and staff with regards to cons=
tant room rearrangements.

Another solution to the problem is to put the plenaries on Friday.

-andy=


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+1,261  (onsite)

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Alia Atlas wrote:

> This was a lovely favor that the host was able to get for IETF.  It is not
> usual and is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Of course the host would figure out numbers based attendance projections
> and what was practical to negotiate.
> 
> I am sorry that you are grumpy that you weren't able to take advantage of
> this favor - but publicly snarling at not getting a nice but minor
> consideration is a poor way to repay the hard work that our hosts have put
> into the meeting.
> 
> Regards,
> Alia


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> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that =
I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working =
week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).

Obviously something for the Transport ADs to fix.

--John=


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Hello folks,

This Thursday after the wild party at Bits & Bytes -- if you'd like to 
hear some classical guitar music, please consider coming to the IETF 
lounge.  I'll set up and play about 9:30pm.  I have in mind a collection 
of Villa-Lobos compositions, a new arrangement of "Milonga del Angel" by 
Astor Piazzolla, the Suite del Plata by Maximo Pujol, and some favorite 
pieces that I never get tired of performing.

Time is variable, but probably at least 30 minutes and less than an hour.

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

-- 
Regards,
Charlie P.


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Good to hear that ;-)

I live here for about 25 years and still have have my wallet...

Anyway, as it was said many times - one must be careful and take care of 
his/her things whenever and wherever he/she is!

Tomas



Dne 21. července 2015 13:37:25 Bob Hinden  napsal:

> On Sunday I went out of the hotel, took the subway, went to the 
> astronomical clock, walked over the bridge, had lunch, all without having 
> my wallet taken :-)
>
> Bob
>
> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Livingood, Jason 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Even more better: stay in your hotel room and use remote participation! ;-)
> >
> > Seriously, I think I am at greater risk from tripping on a cobblestone.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/21/15, 11:00 AM, "Simon Pietro Romano"  wrote:
> >
> >> Even better: DON’T leave the convention venue!! I repeat: DON’T leave 
> the convention venue!! Huge, nasty and hungry ex-communists are still alive 
> out there!
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53, michal@krsek.cz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
> >>>
> >>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
> >>>
> >>> M
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >>>   Original Message
> >>> From: Piotr Wydrych
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your
> >>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,
> >>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose
> >>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of
> >>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a
> >>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> >>> --
> >>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/
> >>>
> >>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> >>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> >>>
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> >>                             _\\|//_
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> >>                     Simon Pietro Romano
> >>               Universita' di Napoli Federico II
> >>                      Computer Engineering Department
> >>              Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816
> >>                                            e-mail: spromano@unina.it
> >>
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> >>                                     oooO
> >>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(   )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>                  \ (            (   )
> >>                                   \_)          ) /
> >>                                                                        (_/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Hi all,

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Hi all,

How can I get the presentation presented during any IETF meeting.

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On 21/07/2015 23:37, Yoav Nir wrote:
>=20
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Ted Lemon  wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Yoav Nir > wrote:
>>> That would mean getting the plenaries back to the end of the day, and=
 anyone who wanted an early dinner could skip them.
>>
>> That is an excellent argument for having the plenaries in the morning,=
 I guess, but I suspect that wasn=E2=80=99t your intent.   If the plenari=
es aren=E2=80=99t working, we should fix them, not skip them.
>=20
> I don=E2=80=99t know how to answer that without a stated goal of what p=
lenaries are supposed to accomplish.

It's clear that two main purposes of the plenaries are
a) for all our 'management' groups to report transparently to the communi=
ty;
b) for the community to give honest open feedback to the 'management', or=

to raise issues of general interest that don't fit anywhere else.

I am a little puzzled about the goal of the technical presentations
in the IAB plenary, but I'm ready to be educated.

    Brian


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On 21/07/2015 23:49, ibn khedher hatem wrote:
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> How can I get the presentation presented during any IETF meeting.
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From: Toerless Eckert 
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpockets
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:16:00AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote:
> Another perspective on this issue is that it is not the pickpockets who are taking from us (and I think the risk is little different to many other large European cites), rather we???re not giving as much to the local people as we might do at other venues. We???re enjoying excellent value food and drink, and cheap taxi fares around this beautiful city. If we were in a North American city, or perhaps London or Paris, we???d probably be spending at least $10 each more per person per day out and about, which translates to $500,000 or more of economic benefit to the city being visited. It???s a great city, a great IETF venue, and we get excellent value here.

We do NOT spend "too little" in Prague just because eg: Paris/London/
San-Francisco or other US cities are insanely overpriced primarily
due to housing. Almost all of the $500,000 end up with land lords in those cities.
Total waste of money.

I think the IETF should not go back to those type of cities.  The Internet
is and oculd even be more so the key enabler to slow down this mega and/or
overpriced-city spiral but the IETF makes the opposite statement by continuing
to meet in them.


> 
> Tim
> 
> > 
> >                     MK
> > 
> >>  
> >> Simon
> >> 
> >>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53,  michal@krsek.cz  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
> >>> 
> >>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
> >>> 
> >>> M
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >>>   Original Message  
> >>> From: Piotr Wydrych
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org 
> >>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
> >>> 
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> 
> >>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide your 
> >>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket, 
> >>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you choose 
> >>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of 
> >>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a badge is a 
> >>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
> >>> -- 
> >>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl <> .. http://wydrych.net/ 
> >>> 
> >>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> >>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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>> I'd be fine with extending by an extra day, and/or having WG sessions on Sunday or later on Friday.
> Let me disagree strongly. Saturday and Sunday are already full days for
> some people - writing code rather than going to meetings, in many cases.


+10

We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, not
to increase them.

However, this would require far more stringent filtering of session
requests, and to date, there has been neither community demand, nor IETF
management resolve, to do this.

d/
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Brian E Carpenter =
 wrote:
> Let me disagree strongly. Saturday and Sunday are already full days =
for
> some people - writing code rather than going to meetings, in many =
cases.
> Sunday, Friday and Saturday are each unacceptable to some people for
> personal reasons; using Friday morning is a compromise. Many people =
would
> find taking more than 5 days out of the office impossible. I don't =
think
> that we can completely avoid late evenings.

Another option would be to make more efficient use of meeting time.   =
Still, after all these years, the presentation/discussion format assumes =
that nobody has read the drafts, and that nevertheless everything is =
qualified to speak at the mic.   Sales pitches are great, but should be =
brief; discussions should be among people who have read the documents.   =
And political discussions probably ought not to occur in working group =
meetings, because they just waste time.

I think that if we just said =E2=80=9Cthe schedule will be four days, =
regular business hours only, with a half day on Friday ending at noon, =
and the plenary on Monday at 9,=E2=80=9D and chunked sessions down to an =
hour each, we=E2=80=99d get a lot more value out of the meeting, because =
we could have fewer tracks, more meetings, and chairs and participants =
would have to be strategic about what presentations to allow and what =
form the presentations would take.   It always bugs me when I see a =
working group consuming six hours or more of agenda time.

This is partly motivated by a belief that what in-person meetings =
accomplish best is people who are doing real work talking face to face.  =
 Most of the discussion that occurs at the mic is wasted time; most of =
the presentations are wasted time.  This is the source of the truism =
that most of the work at the IETF occurs during the breaks.   It would =
be nice if we could change that.

Speaking as someone who is currently missing his first IETF since Oslo, =
I=E2=80=99m asking myself whether I=E2=80=99m actually losing out.   The =
fact is that the most useful discussions I=E2=80=99ve participated in in =
this IETF have all been the jabber room; the presentations have been of =
minimal use, and the microphone discussions haven=E2=80=99t been =
particularly constructive.   This is not to say that they are =
_completely_ useless, just that they aren=E2=80=99t a particularly good =
use of the quite expensive f2f time we all generally have three times =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me disagree strongly. Saturday and Sunday =
are already full days for
some people - writing code =
rather than going to meetings, in many cases.
Sunday, Friday and Saturday are each =
unacceptable to some people for
personal reasons; using Friday morning is a =
compromise. Many people would
find taking more than 5 =
days out of the office impossible. I don't think
that we can completely avoid late =
evenings.

Another =
option would be to make more efficient use of meeting time.   =
Still, after all these years, the presentation/discussion format assumes =
that nobody has read the drafts, and that nevertheless everything is =
qualified to speak at the mic.   Sales pitches are great, but =
should be brief; discussions should be among people who have read the =
documents.   And political discussions probably ought not to occur =
in working group meetings, because they just waste time.

I think that if we just said =E2=80=9Cthe schedule =
will be four days, regular business hours only, with a half day on =
Friday ending at noon, and the plenary on Monday at 9,=E2=80=9D and =
chunked sessions down to an hour each, we=E2=80=99d get a lot more value =
out of the meeting, because we could have fewer tracks, more meetings, =
and chairs and participants would have to be strategic about what =
presentations to allow and what form the presentations would take. =
  It always bugs me when I see a working group consuming six hours =
or more of agenda time.

This is =
partly motivated by a belief that what in-person meetings accomplish =
best is people who are doing real work talking face to face.   Most =
of the discussion that occurs at the mic is wasted time; most of the =
presentations are wasted time.  This is the source of the truism =
that most of the work at the IETF occurs during the breaks.   It =
would be nice if we could change that.

Speaking as someone who is currently missing his =
first IETF since Oslo, I=E2=80=99m asking myself whether I=E2=80=99m =
actually losing out.   The fact is that the most useful discussions =
I=E2=80=99ve participated in in this IETF have all been the jabber room; =
the presentations have been of minimal use, and the microphone =
discussions haven=E2=80=99t been particularly constructive.   This =
is not to say that they are _completely_ useless, just that they =
aren=E2=80=99t a particularly good use of the quite expensive f2f time =
we all generally have three times every year.

=

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	Suggestion: If you do not intend to use your ticket, please
consider returning it to the registration desk.

	- Jared

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:21:47AM +0000, Christian Koenning wrote:
> I do not intend to use mine, I will ping you off list.
> Christian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/07/2015, 12:10, "93attendees on behalf of Philippe Klein" <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of philippe@broadcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >I am looking for a pass too as I stay at the Intercontinental
> >Thx u /Ph
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone (any typo is Apple's fault, not mine...)
> >
> >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:52, Jared Mauch  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I do not intend to use mine, and would be happy to give it to you.
> >> 
> >> - jared
> >> 
> >>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Orit Levin (LCA)  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Orit.
> >>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Richard Lamb
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:33 AM
> >>>> To: Carlos M. Martinez
> >>>> Cc: Daniel Rozum; Dean Bogdanovic; 93attendees@ietf.org; Ing.Tomas
> >>>> Marsalek
> >>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> >>>> 
> >>>> This is great. If you are at the intercon, a 10 min ride on the 207 bus takes
> >>>> you to/from the Hilton.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 17:11, Carlos M. Martinez  wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> +1, I believe this is a terrific idea.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 7/16/15 11:09 AM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> >>>>>> Daniel and CZ.NIC, thank you for the nice service!!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Does this include the companion program as well?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Dean
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Ing.Tomas Marsalek 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thank you Daniel and CZ.NIC!! Nice service!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Tomas
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> >>>> Of Daniel
> >>>>>>> Rozum
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:17 PM
> >>>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Free public transport tickets
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hi all!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> We negotiated with Prague Convention Bureau free public transport
> >>>> tickets
> >>>>>>> for IETF attendees.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> At registration desk for IETF, each participant will receive a ticket
> >>>>>>> entitling him or her to free public transportation (except for trains) in
> >>>>>>> the zones P, 0 and B in the Prague area. These zones cover the capital
> >>>>>>> including the airport. The ticket is valid from July 19, 2015 to July 24,
> >>>>>>> 2015. In case of any inspection during using the public transport, it is
> >>>>>>> necessary to show the ticket as well as the IETF badge.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Daniel Rozum
> >>>>>>> project coordinator
> >>>>>>> CZ.NIC
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>>> 
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> 93attendees mailing list
> >>> 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> 93attendees mailing list
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> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpockets
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> On 21 Jul 2015, at 13:02, Toerless Eckert  wrote:
>=20
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:16:00AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote:
>> Another perspective on this issue is that it is not the pickpockets =
who are taking from us (and I think the risk is little different to many =
other large European cites), rather we???re not giving as much to the =
local people as we might do at other venues. We???re enjoying excellent =
value food and drink, and cheap taxi fares around this beautiful city. =
If we were in a North American city, or perhaps London or Paris, we???d =
probably be spending at least $10 each more per person per day out and =
about, which translates to $500,000 or more of economic benefit to the =
city being visited. It???s a great city, a great IETF venue, and we get =
excellent value here.
>=20
> We do NOT spend "too little" in Prague just because eg: Paris/London/
> San-Francisco or other US cities are insanely overpriced primarily
> due to housing. Almost all of the $500,000 end up with land lords in =
those cities.
> Total waste of money.

The point I was making in a roundabout way was simply that the (very =
slim) chance of being pick pocketed for perhaps a few hundred dollars =
(or its equivalent) is more than outweighed by the cheaper cost of =
living here. We=92re all better off - on average - for coming to Prague =
as opposed to other more expensive venues, where you could be just as =
likely to be pick pocketed. It=92s also a great city and a great meeting =
venue.

> I think the IETF should not go back to those type of cities.  The =
Internet
> is and oculd even be more so the key enabler to slow down this mega =
and/or
> overpriced-city spiral but the IETF makes the opposite statement by =
continuing
> to meet in them.

I would hope that the cost of travel and subsistence to the attendees is =
a factor in venue selection. I would hope we come back to places like =
Prague more commonly.

Tim

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>> Tim
>>=20
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>>>                    MK
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>>>>=20
>>>> Simon
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53,  =
michal@krsek.cz =
 wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> M
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>  Original Message =20
>>>>> From: Piotr Wydrych
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org =

>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide =
your=20
>>>>> badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a pocket,=20
>>>>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you =
choose=20
>>>>> (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where density of=20=

>>>>> pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-) Wearing a =
badge is a=20
>>>>> `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
>>>>> --=20
>>>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl <> .. =
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker  wrote:
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> We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, =
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How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at =
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-- Jeff


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Given that we now record meetings in audio and video, it seems that mostly-=
presentation meetings (including status updates) could be parallel-tracked =
to regular working group sessions. Today's IAB plenary was interesting, but=
 the information content would have been roughly the same if watched later.=
 (We can then see if Netflix carries the session, and consider an IAB plena=
ry binge watching session.)

These sessions are useful for new attendees and they beat sitting in the te=
rminal room, but allowing people a choice between early dinner and status u=
pdates (and catching the video version later, if needed) seems like a reaso=
nable trade-off, given the constrained design space.

This obviously doesn't work for the IESG plenary.

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From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Dave Crocker =

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>> I'd be fine with extending by an extra day, and/or having WG sessions on=
 Sunday or later on Friday.
> Let me disagree strongly. Saturday and Sunday are already full days for
> some people - writing code rather than going to meetings, in many cases.


+10

We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, not
to increase them.

However, this would require far more stringent filtering of session
requests, and to date, there has been neither community demand, nor IETF
management resolve, to do this.

d/
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Jeff Haas  wrote:

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> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker  wrote:
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> > We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, not
> > to increase them.
>
> How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at having
> full session times?  If we have fractional sessions, do we have any
> possibility of squeezing two groups into a single room?
>

Sometimes we do that.  I believe that PIM and MBONED are doing that again
this time.

Alia


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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

>

> We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, n=
ot

> to increase them.



How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at =
having full session times?=C2=A0 If we have fractional sessions, do we have=
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Sometimes we do that.=C2=A0 I believe that PIM and MB=
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Alia Atlas  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Jeff Haas  wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker  wrote:
>> >
>> > We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, not
>> > to increase them.
>>
>> How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at
>> having full session times?  If we have fractional sessions, do we have any
>> possibility of squeezing two groups into a single room?
>>
>
> Sometimes we do that.  I believe that PIM and MBONED are doing that again
> this time.
>

IPsecMe and COSE shared a room.  This was nice as we had some more crypto
folks in the room for COSE and hopefully piqued their interest.

>
> Alia
>
>
>> -- Jeff
>>
>>
>


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>=
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M, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
=



> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

>

> We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, n=
ot

> to increase them.



How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at =
having full session times?=C2=A0 If we have fractional sessions, do we have=
 any possibility of squeezing two groups into a single room?

Sometimes we do that.=C2=A0 I believe that PIM=
 and MBONED are doing that again this time.

IPsecMe and COSE shared a room.=C2=A0 This was nic=
e as we had some more crypto folks in the room for COSE and hopefully pique=
d their interest.=C2=A0

Alia=C2=A0
=C2=A0

-- Jeff










-- 

Best regards,
Kath=
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Just use common sense.

There is a safe in your room - use it and don't go out with more money and =
credit cards in your wallet than you reasonably need or are willing to lose=
.

Keep your wallet in your front pocket not your back.

-----Original Message-----
From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ch=
own
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:13 AM
To: Toerless Eckert
Cc: Michal Krsek; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpockets

> On 21 Jul 2015, at 13:02, Toerless Eckert  wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:16:00AM +0100, Tim Chown wrote:
>> Another perspective on this issue is that it is not the pickpockets who =
are taking from us (and I think the risk is little different to many other =
large European cites), rather we???re not giving as much to the local peopl=
e as we might do at other venues. We???re enjoying excellent value food and=
 drink, and cheap taxi fares around this beautiful city. If we were in a No=
rth American city, or perhaps London or Paris, we???d probably be spending =
at least $10 each more per person per day out and about, which translates t=
o $500,000 or more of economic benefit to the city being visited. It???s a =
great city, a great IETF venue, and we get excellent value here.
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> We do NOT spend "too little" in Prague just because eg: Paris/London/=20
> San-Francisco or other US cities are insanely overpriced primarily due=20
> to housing. Almost all of the $500,000 end up with land lords in those ci=
ties.
> Total waste of money.

The point I was making in a roundabout way was simply that the (very slim) =
chance of being pick pocketed for perhaps a few hundred dollars (or its equ=
ivalent) is more than outweighed by the cheaper cost of living here. We're =
all better off - on average - for coming to Prague as opposed to other more=
 expensive venues, where you could be just as likely to be pick pocketed. I=
t's also a great city and a great meeting venue.

> I think the IETF should not go back to those type of cities.  The=20
> Internet is and oculd even be more so the key enabler to slow down=20
> this mega and/or overpriced-city spiral but the IETF makes the=20
> opposite statement by continuing to meet in them.

I would hope that the cost of travel and subsistence to the attendees is a =
factor in venue selection. I would hope we come back to places like Prague =
more commonly.

Tim

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>> Tim
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>>>                    MK
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>>>> Simon
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>>>>> On 21/lug/2015, at 10:53,  michal@krsek.cz  wrote:
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>>>>> BTW this is best current practice at ANY destination.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hide your badge when leaving convention venue.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> M
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>  Original Message
>>>>> From: Piotr Wydrych
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 10:33
>>>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org=20
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: [93attendees] Pickpockets
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If you are going to the social today, I advise you that you hide=20
>>>>> your badge and lanyard (under a t-shirt, in a backpack, in a=20
>>>>> pocket,
>>>>> wherever) during the trip. Regardless of the transport mean you=20
>>>>> choose (tram, metro, feet), you'll cross the city center where=20
>>>>> density of pickpockets per sq. kilometer is non-negligible ;-)=20
>>>>> Wearing a badge is a `I'm a non-careful tourist' sign.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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At 1:37 PM +0200 7/21/15, Bob Hinden wrote:

>  On Sunday I went out of the hotel, took the subway, went to the 
> astronomical clock, walked over the bridge, had lunch, all without 
> having my wallet taken :-)

Likewise, if your packets weren't compromised during Monday's 
sessions, then everyone's packets are safe all the time.

Consider that pickpockets have not scaled sufficiently to be able to 
pick everyone's pocket everywhere, and hence must be somewhat 
selective as to which times, locations, and persons are targeted. 
Perhaps we could engineer a scaling or at least selection solution 
for them?

-- 
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The legal issue is that EC legislation exists to ensure that at least some =
ethical considerations are met.

Yes, one aspect of that is that consent to collect the data exists where co=
nsent is appropriate, but that is not the only issue raised. There are othe=
r aspects such as ensuring that only the appropriate information is collect=
ed (rather than collect everything), how and if the information is retained=
, and controls on who else the information can be passed to.

None of the discussion on this list has identified that any of those consid=
erations were addressed before the announcement was made.

The analogy I would draw with the current process is that someone proposes =
launching a new drug, and a couple of doctors look at a one paragraph summa=
ry and say that should not be a problem!

Experiments should certainly be done, but the homework should be done first=
.

Keith

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On 7/21/15 8:28 AM, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 1:37 PM +0200 7/21/15, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>>  On Sunday I went out of the hotel, took the subway, went to the
>> astronomical clock, walked over the bridge, had lunch, all without
>> having my wallet taken :-)
>
> Likewise, if your packets weren't compromised during Monday's sessions,
> then everyone's packets are safe all the time.
>
> Consider that pickpockets have not scaled sufficiently to be able to
> pick everyone's pocket everywhere, and hence must be somewhat selective
> as to which times, locations, and persons are targeted. Perhaps we could
> engineer a scaling or at least selection solution for them?

There is a known solution used by prey to mitigate the effects of 
predators: herding/schooling. If all IETFers agreed to travel in a herd, 
then the fraction being pickpocketed would be reduced.


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At 8:10 AM -0400 7/21/15, Ted Lemon wrote:

>   Another option would be to make more efficient use of meeting 
> time. Still, after all these years, the presentation/discussion 
> format assumes that nobody has read the drafts, and that 
> nevertheless everything is qualified to speak at the mic.   Sales 
> pitches are great, but should be brief; discussions should be among 
> people who have read the documents.   And political discussions 
> probably ought not to occur in working group meetings, because they 
> just waste time.
>
>   I think that if we just said "the schedule will be four days, 
> regular business hours only, with a half day on Friday ending at 
> noon, and the plenary on Monday at 9," and chunked sessions down to 
> an hour each, we'd get a lot more value out of the meeting, because 
> we could have fewer tracks, more meetings, and chairs and 
> participants would have to be strategic about what presentations to 
> allow and what form the presentations would take.   It always bugs 
> me when I see a working group consuming six hours or more of agenda 
> time.
>
>   This is partly motivated by a belief that what in-person meetings 
> accomplish best is people who are doing real work talking face to 
> face.   Most of the discussion that occurs at the mic is wasted 
> time; most of the presentations are wasted time.  This is the 
> source of the truism that most of the work at the IETF occurs 
> during the breaks.   It would be nice if we could change that.

I'm all for having shorter sessions be the norm, as that helps get WG 
agendas to focus on the issues that are not reaching conclusion on 
the list.  If, say, 60 minutes was the norm, and WGs with many active 
drafts and/or many active issues that need discussion able to have 
some number of hopefully consecutive slots, that might help a lot.

I also think we should have a few slots during the week when no WGs 
are scheduled, for use in scheduling ad-hoc discussions.  These could 
be perhaps 30-45 minutes and possibly scheduled just prior to breaks, 
allowing more time for involved discussions.

--
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Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the lunch slo=
t, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is known to work. To =
make this more efficient and to have the right number of vegetarian/turkey/=
... options at hand, pre-sell lunch tickets during registration, similar to=
 the social event tickets.

Henning


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> Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the =
lunch slot, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is known =
to work. To make this more efficient and to have the right number of =
vegetarian/turkey/... options at hand, pre-sell lunch tickets during =
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Vegetarian sandwiches made by hotel chefs can be safely assumed to suck. =
  I would either skip the plenary or dash out for food if they were done =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:
Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the =
plenaries during the lunch slot, since processing sandwiches and slides =
in parallel is known to work. To make this more efficient and to have =
the right number of vegetarian/turkey/... options at hand, pre-sell =
lunch tickets during registration, similar to the social event =
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Vegetarian sandwiches made by hotel chefs can be safely =
assumed to suck.   I would either skip the plenary or dash out for =
food if they were done this way.

=

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> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that
> I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working
> week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).

i thought that there were any tickets was a most welcome miracle.  if
you are really unhappy, you may have mine.  it's a really nice walk
along the river to the intercon twice a day.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Ted Lemon wrote:

> Vegetarian sandwiches made by hotel chefs can be safely assumed to 
> suck.  I would either skip the plenary or dash out for food if they 
> were done this way.
> 

Can you please discuss the merits of a lunchtime plenary instead of
focusing on the catering details? There are clearly pros and cons of
using the lunch break for an all-attendees events, but I doubt the
most pressing issue is the quality of the sandwiches! (Plus that is
*clearly* a solvable problem)

Thanks,

Ole 


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We will be having a session on Thursday, and I would love to have two =
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At 8:10 AM -0400 7/21/15, Ted Lemon wrote:

>  Another option would be to make more efficient use of meeting time. 
> Still, after all these years, the presentation/discussion format 
> assumes that nobody has read the drafts, and that nevertheless 
> everything is qualified to speak at the mic.   Sales pitches are 
> great, but should be brief; discussions should be among people who 
> have read the documents.   And political discussions probably ought 
> not to occur in working group meetings, because they just waste 
> time.
>
>  I think that if we just said "the schedule will be four days, 
> regular business hours only, with a half day on Friday ending at 
> noon, and the plenary on Monday at 9," and chunked sessions down to 
> an hour each, we'd get a lot more value out of the meeting, because 
> we could have fewer tracks, more meetings, and chairs and 
> participants would have to be strategic about what presentations to 
> allow and what form the presentations would take.   It always bugs 
> me when I see a working group consuming six hours or more of agenda 
> time.
>
>  This is partly motivated by a belief that what in-person meetings 
> accomplish best is people who are doing real work talking face to 
> face.   Most of the discussion that occurs at the mic is wasted 
> time; most of the presentations are wasted time.  This is the 
> source of the truism that most of the work at the IETF occurs 
> during the breaks.   It would be nice if we could change that.

I'm all for having shorter sessions be the norm, as that helps get WG 
agendas to focus on the issues that are not reaching conclusion on 
the list.  If, say, 60 minutes was the norm, and WGs with many active 
drafts and/or many active issues that need discussion able to have 
some number of hopefully consecutive slots, that might help a lot.

I also think we should have a few slots during the week when no WGs 
are scheduled, for use in scheduling ad-hoc discussions.  These could 
be perhaps 30-45 minutes and possibly scheduled just prior to breaks, 
allowing more time for involved discussions.

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Hello Ted,

Recent technical plenaries have been very interesting and I hope they 
will continue.  WG chairs could conceivably preview the upcoming 
technical plenary topics and recommend topics of likely specific 
interest to their WG members.  That might be very helpful to take 
advantage of opportunities for building connections within the IETF.  I 
say "conceivably" because the chairs usually have plenty of other urgent 
tasks and deadlines to deal with.

Regards,
Charlie P.

On 7/21/2015 5:20 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Yoav Nir  > wrote:
>> I dont know how to answer that without a stated goal of what 
>> plenaries are supposed to accomplish.
>
> The purpose of the plenaries is (1) to get the community all together 
> and thinking about some problem relevant to the IETF (tech plenary) 
> and (2) to get the community all together and thinking about how to 
> run the IETF properly (admin plenary).
>
> I think both could be streamlined and made more useful, and I actually 
> think the tech plenary tends to be a missed opportunityinteresting, 
> but not all that relevant to building connection within the IETF or 
> making IETF participants aware of what other IETF participants are 
> working on.   Thats a shame.
>
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    Hello Ted,

    

    Recent technical plenaries have been very interesting and I hope
    they will continue. WG chairs could conceivably preview the
    upcoming technical plenary topics and recommend topics of likely
    specific interest to their WG members. That might be very helpful
    to take advantage of opportunities for building connections within
    the IETF. I say "conceivably" because the chairs usually have
    plenty of other urgent tasks and deadlines to deal with.

    

    Regards,

    Charlie P.

    

    
On 7/21/2015 5:20 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:

    

    

      
      On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
      

        

          
I dont
              know how to answer that without a stated goal of what
              plenaries are supposed to accomplish.

        

      

      

      
The purpose of the plenaries is (1) to get the
        community all together and thinking about some problem relevant
        to the IETF (tech plenary) and (2) to get the community all
        together and thinking about how to run the IETF properly (admin
        plenary).

      


      

      
I think both could be streamlined and made more
        useful, and I actually think the tech plenary tends to be a
        missed opportunityinteresting, but not all that relevant to
        building connection within the IETF or making IETF participants
        aware of what other IETF participants are working on.  Thats a
        shame.

      


      

      

      

      

      
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> Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the lunch
> slot, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is known to work.
> To make this more efficient and to have the right number of
> vegetarian/turkey/... options at hand, pre-sell lunch tickets during
> registration, similar to the social event tickets.
>


I like this idea.

--aaron

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er random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the lunch slot, si=
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It seems reasonable to me that if you have a limited number of tickets, you=
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To add also, this ticket is courtesy of the meeting sponsors, and nothing t=
o do with whether you have pre-paid the registration fee or not.

Keith=20

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> miracle.  if you are really unhappy, you may have mine.  it's=20
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
> Can you please discuss the merits of a lunchtime plenary instead of
> focusing on the catering details?=20

That is one of the non-merits of a lunchtime plenary.   It is one that =
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very important to attend.   Check your privilege.   Seriously.   Not =
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focusing on the catering =
details? 

That is one of the non-merits of a =
lunchtime plenary.   It is one that would literally cause me to =
skip a plenary, which I normally consider very important to attend. =
  Check your privilege.   Seriously.   Not everybody has =
the same easy food experience you do at IETF.

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As long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, this s=
hould be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minutes. =
This obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-out =
and grocery store options.

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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Ole Jacobsen > wrote:
Can you please discuss the merits of a lunchtime plenary instead of
focusing on the catering details?

That is one of the non-merits of a lunchtime plenary.   It is one that woul=
d literally cause me to skip a plenary, which I normally consider very impo=
rtant to attend.   Check your privilege.   Seriously.   Not everybody has t=
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As long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, thi=
s should be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minute=
s. This obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-o=
ut and grocery store options.








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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:





Can
 you please discuss the merits of a lunchtime plenary instead of

focusing
 on the catering details? 








That is one of the non-merits of a lunchtime plenary.  =
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ly consider very important to attend.   Check your privilege.   S=
eriously.   Not everybody has the same easy food
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I think I have a ticket in my badge holder that I won=92t be able to =
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Henning Schulzrinne =
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>=20
> Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the =
lunch slot, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is known =
to work. To make this more efficient and to have the right number of =
vegetarian/turkey/... options at hand, pre-sell lunch tickets during =
registration, similar to the social event tickets.

This goes back to the question of whether we expect everyone to want to =
go to the plenary (yes, I know what the dictionary says about =
=E2=80=9Cplenary=E2=80=9D)

I don=E2=80=99t believe all 1533 of us are interested in the content of =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne =
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> As long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, =
this should be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 =
minutes. This obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty =
of take-out and grocery store options.

Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them.   I =
would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem with your =
proposal that I have raised is a problem.   It may be that what I want =
is actually not important, but it=92s a real problem for me, even if =
it=92s not a problem for you.   Furthermore, solving the problem that we =
are making poor use of time during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the =
agenda with yet another interval when we don=92t have a break is not =
going to solve the problem.   Instead, it=92s going to result in more =
people skipping the plenary.

Why not instead solve the problem that we don=92t make good use of IETF =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:
As long as the number of people with special =
food needs is smallish, this should be manageable, possibly at the cost =
of missing the first 15 minutes. This obviously works better in places =
like Prague, with plenty of take-out and grocery store =
options.

Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing =
them.   I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the =
problem with your proposal that I have raised is a problem.   It =
may be that what I want is actually not important, but it=92s a real =
problem for me, even if it=92s not a problem for you.   =
Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of time =
during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another =
interval when we don=92t have a break is not going to solve the problem. =
  Instead, it=92s going to result in more people skipping the =
plenary.

Why =
not instead solve the problem that we don=92t make good use of IETF =
meeting time?

=

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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Yoav Nir  wrote:
> I don=E2=80=99t believe all 1533 of us are interested in the content =
of the plenaries.=20

Fair enough, but is that a problem with us, or with the plenaries?   Do =
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I don=E2=80=99t believe all 1533 of us are =
interested in the content of the plenaries. 

Fair =
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:28:59AM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote:
> Consider that pickpockets have not scaled sufficiently to be able to pick
> everyone's pocket everywhere, and hence must be somewhat selective as to
> which times, locations, and persons are targeted. Perhaps we could engineer
> a scaling or at least selection solution for them?

	I've had an entirely positive experience with the city and people
so far so despite the concerns head of this week.  I plan to return
based on this experience.

	- Jared

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> Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of time
> during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another
> interval when we don’t have a break is not going to solve the problem.


This is the only interesting aspect of this thread:  ignoring the
underlying problem, in favor of creating new ones.


d/

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Hello folks,

Thanks very much for the offers, I have now gotten a ticket.

Much appreciated!

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 7/21/2015 4:29 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> If anyone has another transport ticket to give away, I could put it to 
> good use.
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>


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Dear colleagues,

Those of you who were at the IAB technical plenary this morning will
recall that we were running short on time, and that I asked whether
anybody had something to ask the IAB before deciding whether to
proceed with the CARIS report.  All of us on the IAB take very
seriously our responsibility to be accountable to the community, and
it made me quite uncomfortable to have to make this choice; but since
nobody indicated they had any question or remark, it didn't seem that
there was a desire for an open mic.

Nevertheless, if you have a concern, question, or issue and want to
raise it, I hereby invite you to do so.  Some IAB members will be
certain to respond, and if we cannot address the concerns on the list
we'll find some way to do it in some face to face way this week.  If
we can't manage to do that in public also, we'll report back on these
lists when we're done.

Best regards,

Andrew

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My experience differs - the working groups I have attended so far this week=
 all made good use of their allocated time (and, in some cases, could have =
used a bit more).


We have been talking about "more efficient use of time" as long as I've bee=
n attending IETF meetings, and the basics haven't changed much. Thus, in th=
e sense of engineering practicality, there is a food trade-off: imposition =
of sub-optimal lunch for an activity that can consumed asynchronously (for =
many) or very long meeting days.

________________________________
From: Ted Lemon 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:36 AM
To: Henning Schulzrinne
Cc: Ole Jacobsen; iaoc@ietf.org; The IESG; 93attendees@ietf.org
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne > wrote:
As long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, this s=
hould be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minutes. =
This obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-out =
and grocery store options.

Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them.   I woul=
d appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem with your propos=
al that I have raised is a problem.   It may be that what I want is actuall=
y not important, but it's a real problem for me, even if it's not a problem=
 for you.   Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of=
 time during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another inte=
rval when we don't have a break is not going to solve the problem.   Instea=
d, it's going to result in more people skipping the plenary.

Why not instead solve the problem that we don't make good use of IETF meeti=
ng time?


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My experience differs - the working groups I have attended so far this w=
eek all made good use of their allocated time (and, in some cases, could ha=
ve used a bit more). 







We have been talking about "more efficient use of time" as lon=
g as I've been attending IETF meetings, and the basics haven't changed much=
. Thus, in the sense of engineering practicality, there is a food trade-off=
: imposition of sub-optimal lunch for an activity
 that can consumed asynchronously (for many) or very long meeting days.








From: Ted Lemon <ted.lem=
on@nominum.com>

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:36 AM

To: Henning Schulzrinne

Cc: Ole Jacobsen; iaoc@ietf.org; The IESG; 93attendees@ietf.org

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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov>=
; wrote:





As
 long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, this sho=
uld be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minutes. Th=
is obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-out an=
d grocery store options.








Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearin=
g them.   I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the pro=
blem with your proposal that I have raised is a problem.   It may be t=
hat what I want is actually not important, but
 it’s a real problem for me, even if it’s not a problem for you=
.   Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of ti=
me during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another interva=
l when we don’t have a break is not going to solve
 the problem.   Instead, it’s going to result in more people ski=
pping the plenary.







Why not instead solve the problem that we don’t make =
good use of IETF meeting time?















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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Ted Lemon wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
> > Can you please discuss the merits of a lunchtime plenary instead of
> > focusing on the catering details? 
> 
> That is one of the non-merits of a lunchtime plenary.  It is one 
> that would literally cause me to skip a plenary, which I normally 
> consider very important to attend.  Check your privilege.  
> Seriously.  Not everybody has the same easy food experience you do 
> at IETF.

Oh, come on Ted, you're not being reasonable!

Henning used the word "sandwiches" and you immediately jumped to the 
conclusion that all hotel-made veggie ones are bad and for THAT reason 
this would kill the idea for you. Can you just for one minute try to 
think about some, any food option that you could combine with a 
plenary, something that could be implemented in a grab-an-go fashion?
Can we just for ONCE discuss a general idea and concept in the IETF 
without getting bogged down in engineering details? I realize that if
lunch involves wine, romantic music and and a 12-course tasting menu
it might be difficult to implement in combination with a plenary, but
I hope that isn't what we are talking about.

As for "privilege," I have no idea what you're talking about, but then
again English is only my second language.

:-(

Ole


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The meetings I've been in also managed their use of time quite well.

I think the breaks are needed though.  Many times they are used for
important side-bars that get people on the same page.

Doing more presentations electronically (not during the meeting) would free
up more meeting time.  I think this could also be done with the admin
plenary.


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Henning Schulzrinne <
Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:

>  My experience differs - the working groups I have attended so far this
> week all made good use of their allocated time (and, in some cases, could
> have used a bit more).
>
>
>  We have been talking about "more efficient use of time" as long as I've
> been attending IETF meetings, and the basics haven't changed much. Thus, =
in
> the sense of engineering practicality, there is a food trade-off:
> imposition of sub-optimal lunch for an activity that can consumed
> asynchronously (for many) or very long meeting days.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Ted Lemon 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:36 AM
> *To:* Henning Schulzrinne
> *Cc:* Ole Jacobsen; iaoc@ietf.org; The IESG; 93attendees@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] [IAOC] Meeting schedule
>
>  On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <
> Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:
>
> As long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, this
> should be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minute=
s.
> This obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-ou=
t
> and grocery store options.
>
>
> Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them.   I
> would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem with your
> proposal that I have raised is a problem.   It may be that what I want is
> actually not important, but it=E2=80=99s a real problem for me, even if i=
t=E2=80=99s not a
> problem for you.   Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making po=
or
> use of time during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet
> another interval when we don=E2=80=99t have a break is not going to solve=
 the
> problem.   Instead, it=E2=80=99s going to result in more people skipping =
the
> plenary.
>
>  Why not instead solve the problem that we don=E2=80=99t make good use of=
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> meeting time?
>
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The meetings I've been in also managed their use =
of time quite well.

I think the breaks are needed thoug=
h.=C2=A0 Many times they are used for important side-bars that get people o=
n the same page.

Doing more presentations electronically=
 (not during the meeting) would free up more meeting time.=C2=A0 I think th=
is could also be done with the admin plenary.


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015=
 at 3:55 PM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:










My experience differs - the working groups I have attended so far this w=
eek all made good use of their allocated time (and, in some cases, could ha=
ve used a bit more).=C2=A0







We have been talking about "more efficient use of time" as lon=
g as I've been attending IETF meetings, and the basics haven't chan=
ged much. Thus, in the sense of engineering practicality, there is a food t=
rade-off: imposition of sub-optimal lunch for an activity
 that can consumed asynchronously (for many) or very long meeting days.








From: Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com>

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:36 AM

To: Henning Schulzrinne

Cc: Ole Jacobsen; iaoc@ietf.org; The IESG; 93attendees@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [93attendees] [IAOC] Meeting schedule

=C2=A0




On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov=
> wrote:





As
 long as the number of people with special food needs is smallish, this sho=
uld be manageable, possibly at the cost of missing the first 15 minutes. Th=
is obviously works better in places like Prague, with plenty of take-out an=
d grocery store options.








Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them. =C2=
=A0 I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem with y=
our proposal that I have raised is a problem. =C2=A0 It may be that what I =
want is actually not important, but
 it=E2=80=99s a real problem for me, even if it=E2=80=99s not a problem for=
 you. =C2=A0 Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use o=
f time during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another int=
erval when we don=E2=80=99t have a break is not going to solve
 the problem. =C2=A0 Instead, it=E2=80=99s going to result in more people s=
kipping the plenary.







Why not instead solve the problem that we don=E2=80=99t make good use =
of IETF meeting time?
















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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Henning Schulzrinne =
 wrote:
> My experience differs - the working groups I have attended so far this =
week all made good use of their allocated time (and, in some cases, =
could have used a bit more).=20

Hm.   Of the working groups I have attended, I=92d say at least half of =
the working group time was wasted on long presentations about work that =
participants should already be familiar with.   Many of the comments, =
probably 50%, at the microphone did not reflect any serious thought on =
the part of the commenter, and did not add useful insight to the =
discussion.   I have seen some good discussions, but these have been in =
the minority.   I see a lot of working groups with packed agendas where =
each draft gets ten minutes.   It=92s impossible to have a constructive =
discussion about a draft that needs discussion in ten minutes.   Ten =
minutes is way too long for a sales pitch about a draft.

I sympathize with your skepticism, but I haven=92t seen a lot of effort =
to change the status quo.  What I am suggesting is that if we seriously =
just say =93look, the hours we have for meetings are limited to business =
hours, and you have to figure out how you=92re going to best use your =
limited time,=94 and divide the time up evenly between requestors, maybe =
with exceptions if they can be clearly justified, we will stop providing =
incentives for working group chairs to just ask for as much time as they =
can and not try to make good use of the time they get.

The reason we haven=92t seen this work is because we haven=92t tried it. =
  We haven=92t really tried anything.   The only discipline that chairs =
have experienced in the past is as a result of schedule congestion, and =
in general the IESG just throws themselves on the scheduling sword and =
makes it work based on chairs=92 requests.   I am proposing that we stop =
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote:
My experience differs =
- the working groups I have attended so far this week all made good use =
of their allocated time (and, in some cases, could have used a bit =
more). 

Hm. =
  Of the working groups I have attended, I=92d say at least half of =
the working group time was wasted on long presentations about work that =
participants should already be familiar with.   Many of the =
comments, probably 50%, at the microphone did not reflect any serious =
thought on the part of the commenter, and did not add useful insight to =
the discussion.   I have seen some good discussions, but these have =
been in the minority.   I see a lot of working groups with packed =
agendas where each draft gets ten minutes.   It=92s impossible to =
have a constructive discussion about a draft that needs discussion in =
ten minutes.   Ten minutes is way too long for a sales pitch about =
a draft.

I sympathize with your =
skepticism, but I haven=92t seen a lot of effort to change the status =
quo.  What I am suggesting is that if we seriously just say =93look, =
the hours we have for meetings are limited to business hours, and you =
have to figure out how you=92re going to best use your limited time,=94 =
and divide the time up evenly between requestors, maybe with exceptions =
if they can be clearly justified, we will stop providing incentives for =
working group chairs to just ask for as much time as they can and not =
try to make good use of the time they get.

The reason we haven=92t seen this work is because =
we haven=92t tried it.   We haven=92t really tried anything.   =
The only discipline that chairs have experienced in the past is as a =
result of schedule congestion, and in general the IESG just throws =
themselves on the scheduling sword and makes it work based on chairs=92 =
requests.   I am proposing that we stop doing that.

=

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Ted Lemon wrote:

> Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them.  
> I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem 
> with your proposal that I have raised is a problem.  It may be that 
> what I want is actually not important, but its a real problem for 
> me, even if its not a problem for you.  Furthermore, solving the 
> problem that we are making poor use of time during IETF f2f meetings 
> by cramming the agenda with yet another interval when we dont have 
> a break is not going to solve the problem.  Instead, its going to 
> result in more people skipping the plenary.
> 
> Why not instead solve the problem that we dont make good use of 
> IETF meeting time?
> 

And I would appreciate if you would stop implying that a specific 
detailed food option is or was implied by Henning's suggestion. Can we 
discuss the question: "Can we have lunch during the plenary?" instead, 
please?

As for making better use of meeting time, yes, I agree with you and
that is why I bounced the question to the wider audience beyond the
attendee list. And I also agree that having lunch during the plenary
may not be the best option, but I think it at least merits some 
discussion. We do, after all, regularly host similar events with the
lunchtime host speakers etc.

Ole 

PS

Just for the record: The hotel-prepared sandwiches here in Prague have 
been quite excellent, but that really is neither here nor there.
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:
> Henning used the word "sandwiches" and you immediately jumped to the=20=

> conclusion that all hotel-made veggie ones are bad and for THAT reason=20=

> this would kill the idea for you. Can you just for one minute try to=20=

> think about some, any food option that you could combine with a=20
> plenary, something that could be implemented in a grab-an-go fashion?

No, Ole, for two reasons.   First, I actually have _years_ of experience =
with hotel sandwiches, and so I have a concrete basis for knowing that =
your optimism is unfounded.   I know for a fact based on personal =
experience that grab-and-go lunches do not work.

Second, because what Henning proposed is exactly the wrong thing to do, =
irrespective of the quality of the sandwiches.   We can=E2=80=99t make =
the week bigger, and we need to stop trying.


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On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> =
wrote:
Henning used the word "sandwiches" and you =
immediately jumped to the 
conclusion that all hotel-made veggie ones are =
bad and for THAT reason 
this would kill the idea for you. Can you just =
for one minute try to 
think about some, any food option that you could =
combine with a 
plenary, something that could be implemented in =
a grab-an-go fashion?

No, Ole, for two reasons.   First, I actually have =
_years_ of experience with hotel sandwiches, and so I have a concrete =
basis for knowing that your optimism is unfounded.   I know for a =
fact based on personal experience that grab-and-go lunches do not =
work.

Second, =
because what Henning proposed is exactly the wrong thing to do, =
irrespective of the quality of the sandwiches.   We can=E2=80=99t =
make the week bigger, and we need to stop trying.
=

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Hi,

Does anyone have any spare tickets for the event this evening?

Thanks,

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Hi Brian,

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:51:20PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> 
> I am a little puzzled about the goal of the technical presentations
> in the IAB plenary, but I'm ready to be educated.

>From my point of view, the goal of these presentations is to highlight
technical topics that we (on the IAB) think might be of interest to a
broad cross-section of the IETF community.  In my experience, we try
to pick issues that are likely to affect several different areas in
the IETF, that still have open work that relate to IETF protocols, and
that we think will have general appeal.  Admittedly, our judgement is
not always perfect; and some such presentations are more successful
than others.  But that is the goal.  We also have a principle that
such plenary presentations should be technically interesting or
entertaining, and ideally both.

Naturally, for some portion of the population we will sometimes fail
in this aim every time.  If you're another expert in the particular
field in question it's quite unlikely you'll learn anything in a
presentation aimed at a plenary audience (though even there, you might
learn something about how -- or how not -- to present the issues to
such an audience).

I hope that's useful.

Andrew (speaking for myself)

-- 
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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Randall Gellens =
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> The meeting schedule, in my view, runs too late in the evening. =
Tonight's session ended at 7:50 PM, meaning it was 8:15 before one could =
even start trying to go to dinner.  This means it's 9:00 before one is =
able to eat, which in my view, is far too late.  I know people hated the =
old-old schedule that went until 10, but at least that had a dinner =
break at a 6:00, a reasonable hour; if we absolutely must go late, that =
was a better way to do it.  The schedule this time forces people to =
either try to sleep on a full stomach (which I can't do), skip dinner, =
or stay up way late and be sleep-deprived, fueled by caffeine and =
adrenaline (which I think makes for very bad meetings and bad technical =
work).

In the spirit of brainstorm, here is my 2 cents:

1/ if making the room arrangement is an issue, why dont we minimize this =
hassle by doing it once instead of twice?

i.e. running IAB and IESG plenary back-to-back.

2/ we can devote either one morning or one afternoon to it.
(I think morning would be better, so that there is lunch break to =
re-arrange the room; if afternoon, then there is still this issue of =
re-arrange the room quick so that we can have WG meetings after that).

3/ if morning but 2.5 hours looks a bit short: start at 8:30AM, and/or =
run to 12:00?
Given IETF covers breakfast one way or the other, this does not suffer =
from the food quality concerns as some people expressed regarding doing =
a plenary over lunch time.

Lixia

PS: haven't had time to read all the msgs on this thread, so forgive me =
if the idea is already mentioned.


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Ole Jacobsen  wrote:

>
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Ted Lemon wrote:
>
> > Impositions always seem small if you are not the one bearing them.
> > I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem
> > with your proposal that I have raised is a problem.  It may be that
> > what I want is actually not important, but it=E2=80=99s a real problem =
for
> > me, even if it=E2=80=99s not a problem for you.  Furthermore, solving t=
he
> > problem that we are making poor use of time during IETF f2f meetings
> > by cramming the agenda with yet another interval when we don=E2=80=99t =
have
> > a break is not going to solve the problem.  Instead, it=E2=80=99s going=
 to
> > result in more people skipping the plenary.
> >
> > Why not instead solve the problem that we don=E2=80=99t make good use o=
f
> > IETF meeting time?
> >
>
> And I would appreciate if you would stop implying that a specific
> detailed food option is or was implied by Henning's suggestion. Can we
> discuss the question: "Can we have lunch during the plenary?" instead,
> please?
>
> As for making better use of meeting time, yes, I agree with you and
> that is why I bounced the question to the wider audience beyond the
> attendee list. And I also agree that having lunch during the plenary
> may not be the best option, but I think it at least merits some
> discussion. We do, after all, regularly host similar events with the
> lunchtime host speakers etc.
>
[MB] Based upon the current meeting schedules, we only have one slot left
whereby one could consider scheduling a plenary during lunch.  We already
have ISOC speakers on Tuesday, WG chairs on Wednesday and host lunch
speakers on Thursday.  And, Friday lunchtime is used by IESG/IAB to wrap-up
and ISOC to hold their meetings with members. So, it might be reasonable to
discuss the option of perhaps having the IAB tech topic during Monday's
lunch.  But, I don't think all aspects of IAB tech plenary or admin plenary
are well suited for a lunchtime session.  And, I don't think it's
necessarily fair to add the burden of arranging lunches for the masses to
the secretariat's responsibilities and the IETF budget, unless of course
folks want to exchange the $s that are allocated for cookies for sandwiches
on Mondays.  [/MB]

>
> Ole
>
> PS
>
> Just for the record: The hotel-prepared sandwiches here in Prague have
> been quite excellent, but that really is neither here nor there.
>

[MB] That may be, but you have no dietary restrictions and for those of us
that do, the options have not been good and in most cases Monday is our day
to do our reconnaissance to find something that does work.  It would be
really good if folks that don't have dietary restrictions not make
judgements on concerns raised by those that do. [/MB]

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com=
> wrote:


On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Ted Lemon wrote:



> Impositions always seem small if you are not t=
he one bearing them.

> I would appreciate it if you could stop denying that the problem

> with your proposal that I have raised is a problem.=C2=A0 It may be th=
at

> what I want is actually not important, but it=E2=80=99s a real problem=
 for

> me, even if it=E2=80=99s not a problem for you.=C2=A0 Furthermore, sol=
ving the

> problem that we are making poor use of time during IETF f2f meetings
> by cramming the agenda with yet another interval when we don=E2=80=99t=
 have

> a break is not going to solve the problem.=C2=A0 Instead, it=E2=80=99s=
 going to

> result in more people skipping the plenary.

>

> Why not instead solve the problem that we don=E2=80=99t make good use =
of

> IETF meeting time?

>



And I would appreciate if you would stop implying that a specific
detailed food option is or was implied by Henning's suggestion. Can we<=
br>
discuss the question: "Can we have lunch during the plenary?" ins=
tead,

please?



As for making better use of meeting time, yes, I agree with you and

that is why I bounced the question to the wider audience beyond the

attendee list. And I also agree that having lunch during the plenary

may not be the best option, but I think it at least merits some

discussion. We do, after all, regularly host similar events with the

lunchtime host speakers etc.
[MB] Based upon the curre=
nt meeting schedules, we only have one slot left whereby one could consider=
 scheduling a plenary during lunch.=C2=A0 We already have ISOC speakers on =
Tuesday, WG chairs on Wednesday and host lunch speakers on Thursday.=C2=A0 =
And, Friday lunchtime is used by IESG/IAB to wrap-up and ISOC to hold their=
 meetings with members. So, it might be reasonable to discuss the option of=
 perhaps having the IAB tech topic during Monday's lunch.=C2=A0 But, I =
don't think all aspects of IAB tech plenary or admin plenary are well s=
uited for a lunchtime session.=C2=A0 And, I don't think it's necess=
arily fair to add the burden of arranging lunches for the masses to the sec=
retariat's responsibilities and the IETF budget, unless of course folks=
 want to exchange the $s that are allocated for cookies for sandwiches on M=
ondays. =C2=A0[/MB]



Ole



PS



Just for the record: The hotel-prepared sandwiches here in Prague have

been quite excellent, but that really is neither here nor there.

[MB] That may be, but you have no dietary restric=
tions and for those of us that do, the options have not been good and in mo=
st cases Monday is our day to do our reconnaissance to find something that =
does work.=C2=A0 It would be really good if folks that don't have dieta=
ry restrictions not make judgements on concerns raised by those that do. [/=
MB]=C2=A0
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At 12:54 PM +0000 7/21/15, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:

>  Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the 
> lunch slot, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is 
> known to work.

In my experience, this works for fairly small values of "works", but 
it depends on how much stock you put in people's ability to 
multi-task.

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(subject-change)

Dave and others,

Improving the use of face-to-face time is very important.  In Routing,
we've done WG Chair training on project management (
http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/WGChairTraining ) as well as
having several discussions during our WG Chair Chats.

One aspect that helps is figuring out what is needed to move the milestones
of the WG forward and ask for those discussions.  Figuring out what
discussions need face-to-face time, encouraging good discussions on the
mailing list, and using virtual interims for targeted discussions that are
not resolving on the mailing list - all are good techniques to help better
manage the face-to-face meeting time.

However, we ask our WG chairs to guess how much time will be needed so a
schedule can be done - before new draft versions are even submitted.  It's
hard when new work can materialize and there can be a tendency for
just-in-time draft writing and meeting request time.

One can encourage that presentations be reviewed by WG Chairs before the WG
meeting and improved - but if those aren't provided, it's a chair judgement
call as to whether have the draft discussion go forward.

Sometimes, people only get around to it right before the deadline - and
don't realize the cascading harm that causes.

We have excellent WG chairs - but they do not work in a vacuum.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Dave Crocker  wrote:

>
> > Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of time
> > during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another
> > interval when we don=E2=80=99t have a break is not going to solve the p=
roblem.
>
>
> This is the only interesting aspect of this thread:  ignoring the
> underlying problem, in favor of creating new ones.
>
>
> d/
>
> --
> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
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(subject-change)=C2=A0

Dave =
and others,


One aspect that helps is figuring out what =
is needed to move the milestones of the WG forward and ask for those discus=
sions.=C2=A0 Figuring out what discussions need face-to-face time, encourag=
ing good discussions on the mailing list, and using virtual interims for ta=
rgeted discussions that are not resolving on the mailing list - all are goo=
d techniques to help better manage the face-to-face meeting time.

However, we ask our WG chairs to guess how much time will b=
e needed so a schedule can be done - before new draft versions are even sub=
mitted.=C2=A0 It's hard when new work can materialize and there can be =
a tendency for just-in-time draft writing and meeting request time. =C2=A0<=
/div>

One can encourage that presentations be reviewed b=
y WG Chairs before the WG meeting and improved - but if those aren't pr=
ovided, it's a chair judgement call as to whether have the draft discus=
sion go forward.

Sometimes, people only get around to i=
t right before the deadline - and don't realize the cascading harm that=
 causes.

We have excellent WG chairs - but they do not w=
ork in a vacuum.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at=
 9:41 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:


> Furthermore, solving the problem that we are making poor use of time
> during IETF f2f meetings by cramming the agenda with yet another

> interval when we don=E2=80=99t have a break is not going to solve the =
problem.





This is the only interesting aspect of this thread:=C2=A0 ignoring t=
he

underlying problem, in favor of creating new ones.






d/



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Brandenburg InternetWorking

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At 7:15 AM -0700 7/21/15, Lixia Zhang wrote:

>  i.e. running IAB and IESG plenary back-to-back.

We used to do this.  The plenary session used to run past midnight.

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wound up not happening.   Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ted Lemon  wrote:

> Yes, what Alia said.   I sat in on part of one of her chair meetings,
> which I understand are not optional.  I would like to see this replicated
> in other areas.   I had actually intended to try, but that wound up not
> happening.   Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
>

Thanks Ted!  They actually are optional but we get good attendance because,
I assume,
they are seemed as useful (or perhaps it's the bad jokes?).

Alia

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan York  wrote:

>  Given the topic of this morning's technical plenary, I thought it was an
> interesting bit of synchronicity that this article appeared on Wired toda=
y:
>
>  Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway=E2=80=94With Me in It
>
>  http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
>


if you haven't seen stefan savage's work previously... it's a good read.
this is direct descendants of that work. (ie, this is not news... except
that car folk seem to still 'not get it')

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Given the topic of this morning's technical plenary, I thought it =
was an interesting bit of synchronicity that this article appeared on Wired=
 today:







Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway=E2=80=94With Me in=C2=A0It=










if you haven't seen stefan savage=
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Hi,

 

Since there is another Bof at the same time, the Simplemux BoF will be:

 

Thursday 20:15. Registration Desk. (You may lose half the bits & bytes)

 

If anyone cannot attend it, please send me an e-mail and we can talk.

 

Sorry for the changes,

 

Jose

 

De: 93attendees [ 
mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de Jose Saldana
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Asunto: [93attendees] Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with Simplemux

 

Hi all,

 

Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF about traffic
optimization with Simplemux.

 

We will meet at the hotel reception and then we will move to a real bar.

 

A summary about Simplemux is here:

http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux-a-generic-multiplexing-
protocol. In fact, these are the slides to be used in the presentation at
GAIA session in Prague next Wednesday 9.00:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/ 

 

Simplemux is a lightweight protocol designed for creating a tunnel of
multiplexed packets. We have built an implementation:
 https://github.com/TCM-TF/simplemux.

 

When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings can be obtained as
e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a number of RTP VoIP flows
together.

 

The idea of the Bar-BOF is to give a more detailed explaining about
Simplemux, and to show the protocol running between a set of (virtual)
machines.

 

The implementation has been built in C, and it can even run in a low-cost
Access Point running OpenWRT.

 

Best regards,

 

Jose Saldana

PS: If you don't know me, I will be wearing a T-Shirt of IETF'87 Berlin next
Wednesday. If you cannot attend the Bar-BOF but you are interested on
Simplemux, do not hesitate to write me


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Hi,
 
Since there =
is another Bof at the same time, the Simplemux BoF will =
be:
 
Thursday =
20:15. Registration Desk. (You may lose half the bits & =
bytes)
 
If anyone =
cannot attend it, please send me an e-mail and we can =
talk.
 
Sorry for =
the changes,
 
Jose
 
De: 93attendees =
[mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de =
Jose Saldana
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12:11
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Asunto: [93attendees] =
Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with =
Simplemux
 
Hi all,
 
Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF =
about traffic optimization with Simplemux.
 
We will meet at the hotel reception =
and then we will move to a real bar.
 
A summary about Simplemux is here: =
http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux-a-gener=
ic-multiplexing-protocol. In fact, these =
are the slides to be used in the presentation at GAIA session in Prague =
next Wednesday 9.00: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/<=
/a> 
 
Simplemux is a lightweight protocol designed for creating a =
tunnel of multiplexed packets. We have built an implementation: =
https://github.com/TCM-TF/simplemux.
 
When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings =
can be obtained as e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a =
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 =C4=8Cejka  wrote:

> Hello,
> I say that Prague is quite safe place and to prove that, I'll go with my
> batch visible! :-)
> Who's in and who's interested in creation of a group of brave travelers?
> :-)
> Tomas
>

At the IETF here in 2007, this very topic came up.  Some travelers from the
airport got pickpocketed, and complained on the attendees list that we'd
chosen to hold meetings in a city where crime occurs.

At the IETF here in 2010, someone was pickpocketed while walking around the
city and posted to the attendees list to warn others.  Someone else
concurred that it's a problem, but also claimed to have noticed pickpockets
working in teams and using gestures to indicate likely targets to each
other.  There was then an observation that this mechanism of communication
might be problematic sometimes, followed by a proposal that we help them
with their signaling.

-MSK

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Hello,

I say that Prague is quite safe place and to prove that, I'll go with m=
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Who's in and who's interested in creation of a group of brave trave=
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Tomas

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On 21/07/2015 10:50, Orit Levin (LCA) wrote:
> "We run out of free transport tickets" is not a welcoming answer that I expected to hear on Tue morning or any time during the IETF working week (and especially to the full week pre-paid participants).
> 
> Thanks,
> Orit.
> 

I'm going to drop one back that I don't need at registration in a few
minutes.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Mary Barnes wrote:

> [MB] That may be, but you have no dietary restrictions and for those 
> of us that do, the options have not been good and in most cases 
> Monday is our day to do our reconnaissance to find something that 
> does work.  It would be really good if folks that don't have dietary 
> restrictions not make judgements on concerns raised by those that 
> do. [/MB]

I get that there are folks with dietary restrictions, and I have not
(knowingly) made "....judgements on concerns raised by those that
do..." I was trying to steer the conversation in the direction of
"can we have lunch and a plenary at the same time?" and not derail
into a discussion of specific food options. The former is a question
about how we manage our time, can we multi-task, etc, etc. The latter
is an implementation detail in my view. It may well be that the food
issue is not solvable, but I think that's further down the road in
this discussion IMO.

I am sure there are MANY folks who would prefer NOT to have to sit
through presentations during lunch, want to get away from the venue,
meet with others in smaller groups, etc, etc, and those were the
kind of arguments I was expecting.

Ole


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[This is a rant.]

I started to count the number of presentations I've seen at IETF 93
with IP prefixes 1.0.0.0/8. I stopped after the fifth one.

We have IP prefixes dedicated for documentation, examples and WG
presentations. They are reserved in an IANA registry


created by RFC 6890 (such as 198.51.100.0/24 or 2001:db8::/32).

Using 1.0.0.0/8 is bad because they receive a lot of traffic because
of that, see ).

Same thing for the Top-Level Domains: .foo and .bar are specially bad
examples since it they really exist in the USG root. You should use
.example

as reserved by RFC 6761.

I suggest that some harsh measures be taken against the presenters
that violate these rules. Force them to yield their social event
ticket to someone else, or deprive them of cookies?


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On 7/21/2015 4:24 PM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Dave and others,

Alia, and others,

Everything you describe is Goodness.  More should do it.

And perfection is not the goal. However in general, the IETF has had
minimal discipline to the process of granting meeting time.  Not none,
but also not much.

At base, this is indeed the stuff of project management.  And while some
ADs do press their chairs to properly justify their requests for meeting
time, I believe it has not been all that widespread or all that diligent.

Unfortunately, a meaningful change in our need for IETF Week meeting
time will require ADs to become rather aggressive in pushing back on
time requests, including setting threshholds, such as requiring wg
progress before the meeting, and a meaningful initial agenda to explain
how the time will be spent.

d/

-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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You mean I shouldn't have used evil.haxor.bg?  :grin:

Thanks for the reminder about RFCs 6761 and 6890 -- even those of us who've=
 read them can certainly use the reminder.

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ne Bortzmeyer
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efixes and domain names

[This is a rant.]

I started to count the number of presentations I've seen at IETF 93 with IP=
 prefixes 1.0.0.0/8. I stopped after the fifth one.

We have IP prefixes dedicated for documentation, examples and WG presentati=
ons. They are reserved in an IANA registry 

created by RFC 6890 (such as 198.51.100.0/24 or 2001:db8::/32).

Using 1.0.0.0/8 is bad because they receive a lot of traffic because of tha=
t, see ).

Same thing for the Top-Level Domains: .foo and .bar are specially bad examp=
les since it they really exist in the USG root. You should use .example 
as reserved by RFC 6761.

I suggest that some harsh measures be taken against the presenters that vio=
late these rules. Force them to yield their social event ticket to someone =
else, or deprive them of cookies?

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 I wont be able to use the social ticket. If any one wants it I'm at the
reg desk

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 I wont be able to use the social ticket. If any one wants it I'm at the reg desk


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/materials.html

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> Am 21.07.2015 um 16:58 schrieb ext ibn khedher hatem :
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> Hi all,
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> How can I get the presentation presented during any IETF meeting.
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Henning Schulzrinne
 wrote:
> Another random scheduling idea: Schedule the plenaries during the lunch s=
lot, since processing sandwiches and slides in parallel is known to work. T=
o make this more efficient and to have the right number of vegetarian/turke=
y/... options at hand, pre-sell lunch tickets during registration, similar =
to the social event tickets.
>
> Henning

This is a good idea. The only downside that I see is that eats into
time for side-meeting and corridor tracks which are important to get
work done. Some times these are the only alternative when there are
cashing schedules.

-- Vinayak


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On 7/21/2015 4:47 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> We have IP prefixes dedicated for documentation, examples and WG
> presentations.


I am new to the IETF.

I have never written an Internet Draft, nevermind an RFC.

How I to know of these conventions?

For example, there is no text about it in:

     Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts

     http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt

And no, a response of "ask someone" does not suffice.  Far too random.

d/

-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net


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I wont be able to use the social ticket. If any one wants it I'm at the reg=
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Randall Gellens =
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>=20
> At 7:15 AM -0700 7/21/15, Lixia Zhang wrote:
>=20
>> i.e. running IAB and IESG plenary back-to-back.
>=20
> We used to do this.  The plenary session used to run past midnight.

1/ that was then, this is now.  Might be worth reconsidering.

2/ doing it in the morning has one advantage over an evening meeting =
(which can drag forever): lunch time makes a hard stop.





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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:13:55PM +0200,
 Dave Crocker  wrote 
 a message of 25 lines which said:

> I am new to the IETF.
> 
> I have never written an Internet Draft, nevermind an RFC.

My deepest sympathies :-)

> How I to know of these conventions?

I find them mentioned in
 and
RFC 7322
(domain names only, not IP addresses).

> For example, there is no text about it in:
> 
>      Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
> 
>      http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt

Do you know the process to update these texts?


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Please reply to me individually if you’re not =
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Dave Crocker writes:
> For example, there is no text about it in:
>      Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
>      http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt

Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too.


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I also have a ticket for the social I will not be using.
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Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addresses =
and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.

Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.

Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with.

Keith

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Idnits tools already throws a warning for IP address, if I remember
correctly!

Dhruv

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> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addresses
> and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
>
> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
>
> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with.
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> Keith
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> > > For example, there is no text about it in:
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Idnits tools already throws a warning for IP=
 address, if I remember correctly!=C2=A0

Dhruv

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:59 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extract=
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Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.



Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with.<=
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Keith



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> Dave Crocker writes:
> > For example, there is no text about it in:

> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts

> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ietf.org/iet=
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Hello,
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Hello,

If anyone has a spare ticket to the social event, I'll be happy to buy it from you. 

Thanks in advance!


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On 21/07/15 17:13, Dave Crocker wrote:

> For example, there is no text about it in:
>
>       Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
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>       http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt


Well than.... we should fix that.

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It is in NITs.

https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt

Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.

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  == There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4 addresses
     in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be changed.

Mark

In message <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addresses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
> 
> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
> 
> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with.
> 
> Keith
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> > Behalf Of David C Lawrence
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> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct 
> > examples for IP prefixes and domain names
> > 
> > Dave Crocker writes:
> > > For example, there is no text about it in:
> > >      Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
> > >      http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
> > 
> > Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too.
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Even if it wasn=E2=80=99t, drafts are not the subject of this thread. =
Using a wrong IP address or DNS name in an I-D will be caught by the =
chair, shepherd, AD, Gen-Art reviewer, or any of many reviewers.

Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Mark Andrews  wrote:
>=20
>=20
> It is in NITs.
>=20
> =
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-d=
nsop-default-local-zones-15.txt
>=20
> Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation =
addresses.
>=20
> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
>  =
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
>=20
>  =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4 =
addresses
>     in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be =
changed.
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> Mark
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> In message =
<949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucen=
t.com>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
>> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP =
addresses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
>>=20
>> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
>>=20
>> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off =
with.
>>=20
>> Keith
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On=20
>>> Behalf Of David C Lawrence
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>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct=20
>>> examples for IP prefixes and domain names
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>>> Dave Crocker writes:
>>>> For example, there is no text about it in:
>>>>     Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
>>>>     http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
>>>=20
>>> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good =
too.
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>
>Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

Presentations also get sent very late; sometimes during the working group
meeting.
WG chairs could refuse to allow agenda time without supporting materials
(if any) being in hand. But I=B9m not sure that=B9s the way to get the best
work/discussion from the WG.

Also, please put page numbers on slides, so Jabber scribes can say what=B9s
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Yoav Nir  wrote:

> Even if it wasn=E2=80=99t, drafts are not the subject of this thread. Usi=
ng a
> wrong IP address or DNS name in an I-D will be caught by the chair,
> shepherd, AD, Gen-Art reviewer, or any of many reviewers.
>
> Presentations get uploaded with little checking.


There are many reasons that it is very useful for WG chairs to be given
presentations in time to provide review and feedback.  This seems to be yet
another.

Please get your presentations in early!

Regards,
Alia



> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Mark Andrews  wrote:
> >
> >
> > It is in NITs.
> >
> >
> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-=
dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt
> >
> > Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.
> >
> > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
> >
> >  =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4
> addresses
> >     in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be
> changed.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > In message <
> 949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucen=
t.com>,
> "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
> >> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP
> addresses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
> >>
> >> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
> >>
> >> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off
> with.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of David C Lawrence
> >>> Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43
> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
> >>> examples for IP prefixes and domain names
> >>>
> >>> Dave Crocker writes:
> >>>> For example, there is no text about it in:
> >>>>     Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
> >>>>     http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
> >>>
> >>> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too=
.
> >>>
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On T=
ue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Even if it wasn=E2=80=99t, draf=
ts are not the subject of this thread. Using a wrong IP address or DNS name=
 in an I-D will be caught by the chair, shepherd, AD, Gen-Art reviewer, or =
any of many reviewers.



Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

There are many reasons that it is very useful for WG chairs to be giv=
en presentations in time to provide review and feedback.=C2=A0 This seems t=
o be yet another.

Please get your presentations in=
 early!

Regards,
Alia=C2=A0
=C2=A0

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:

>

>

> It is in NITs.

>

> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/d=
raft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt

>

> Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses=
.

>

> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/che=
cklist :

>=C2=A0 ----------------------------------------------------------------=
------------

>

>=C2=A0 =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant =
IPv4 addresses

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in the document.=C2=A0 If these are example address=
es, they should be changed.

>

> Mark

>

> In message <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B=
69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com>, "DRAGE, Keith =
(Keith)" writes:

>> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP a=
ddresses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.

>>

>> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.

>>

>> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start o=
ff with.

>>

>> Keith

>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On

>>> Behalf Of David C Lawrence

>>> Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43

>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.o=
rg

>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
>>> examples for IP prefixes and domain names

>>>

>>> Dave Crocker writes:

>>>> For example, there is no text about it in:

>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Draft=
s

>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.ietf.o=
rg/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt

>>>

>>> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/template=
s/ would be good too.

>>>

>>> _______________________________________________

>>> 93attendees mailing list

>>> 93attendees@ietf.org

>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/=
93attendees

>>>

>> _______________________________________________

>> 93attendees mailing list

>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93a=
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> --

> Mark Andrews, ISC

> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia

> PHONE: =
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Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide presentation - it's Documentation.

But can I write 192.168.1.1 and 1::1 in an email list discussion?

Alex

Le 21/07/2015 18:09, Mark Andrews a =E9crit :
> It is in NITs.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-iet=
f-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt
>
> Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.=

>
> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------
>
>    =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4=
 addresses
>       in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be =
changed.
>
> Mark
>
> In message <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu=
=2Ealcatel-lucent.com>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
>> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addre=
sses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
>>
>> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
>>
>> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off w=
ith.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
>>> Behalf Of David C Lawrence
>>> Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
>>> examples for IP prefixes and domain names
>>>
>>> Dave Crocker writes:
>>>> For example, there is no text about it in:
>>>>       Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
>>>>       http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
>>> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too=
=2E
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 93attendees mailing list
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    Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide
      presentation - it's Documentation.

      

      But can I write 192.168.1.1 and 1::1 in an email list discussion?
      

      Alex

      

    Le 21/07/2015 18:09, Mark Andrews a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
It is in NITs.

https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-i=
etf-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt

Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.

Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist=
 :
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

  =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4 ad=
dresses
     in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be cha=
nged.

Mark

In message <9=
49EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent=
=2Ecom>, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:


      

        
Presumably it should be possible to have a tool th=
at extracts IP addresses and URIs from drafts and flags those that are in=
appropriate.

Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.

Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with=
=2E

Keith



        

          
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Dave Crocker writes:


          

            
For example, there is no text about it in:
     Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 06:08:38PM +0200,
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> >      Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
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> >      http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
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> 
> Well than.... we should fix that.

I'm prepared to write a patch. I just have to find out where to send
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Howard, Lee  =
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>=20
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> Also, please put page numbers on slides, so Jabber scribes can say =
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> going on.

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At the risk of bringing the attendees list to a new low, I have to ask: Am
I the only guest at the Hilton that doesn't have a shower curtain?

(I've gotten progressively better at it since Sunday but it strikes me that
maybe this is an implementation failure or some Czech/European proclivity
that I just don't know about, given the lack of infrastructure for actually
hanging a curtain in the bathroom... and maybe everyone just takes baths?)

Anyway, feel free to respond to me off-list... I'm already regretting that
I'm about to hit "send".

best, Joe


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At the risk of bringing the attendees list to a new low, I have to ask: Am =
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best, Joe=C2=A0

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Yes, and you should hike in groups in bear country. Then you don=B9t have to
outrun the bear. You just have to outrun the slowest person in your group.

On 07/21/2015, 14:36, "93attendees on behalf of Paul Kyzivat"
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>On 7/21/15 8:28 AM, Randall Gellens wrote:
>> At 1:37 PM +0200 7/21/15, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>
>>>  On Sunday I went out of the hotel, took the subway, went to the
>>> astronomical clock, walked over the bridge, had lunch, all without
>>> having my wallet taken :-)
>>
>> Likewise, if your packets weren't compromised during Monday's sessions,
>> then everyone's packets are safe all the time.
>>
>> Consider that pickpockets have not scaled sufficiently to be able to
>> pick everyone's pocket everywhere, and hence must be somewhat selective
>> as to which times, locations, and persons are targeted. Perhaps we could
>> engineer a scaling or at least selection solution for them?
>
>There is a known solution used by prey to mitigate the effects of
>predators: herding/schooling. If all IETFers agreed to travel in a herd,
>then the fraction being pickpocketed would be reduced.
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Did anyone study the signal to noise ratio for the signally to determine if=
 an error correcting code was called for?

Glenn
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Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos

On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote:

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Tom=E1=B9 =C8ejka > wrote:
Hello,
I say that Prague is quite safe place and to prove that, I'll go with my ba=
tch visible! :-)
Who's in and who's interested in creation of a group of brave travelers? :-=
)
Tomas

At the IETF here in 2007, this very topic came up.  Some travelers from the=
 airport got pickpocketed, and complained on the attendees list that we'd c=
hosen to hold meetings in a city where crime occurs.

At the IETF here in 2010, someone was pickpocketed while walking around the=
 city and posted to the attendees list to warn others.  Someone else concur=
red that it's a problem, but also claimed to have noticed pickpockets worki=
ng in teams and using gestures to indicate likely targets to each other.  T=
here was then an observation that this mechanism of communication might be =
problematic sometimes, followed by a proposal that we help them with their =
signaling.

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Did anyone study the signal to noise ratio for the signally to determi=
ne if an error correcting code was called for?




Glenn

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Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos








On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:










On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Tom=E1=B9 =C8ejka <cejka=
t@cesnet.cz> wrote:







Hello,

I say that Prague is quite safe place and to prove that, I'll go with my ba=
tch visible! :-)

Who's in and who's interested in creation of a group of brave travelers? :-=
)

Tomas









At the IETF here in 2007, this very topic came up.  Some traveler=
s from the airport got pickpocketed, and complained on the attendees list t=
hat we'd chosen to hold meetings in a city where crime occurs.





At the IETF here in 2010, someone was pickpocketed while walking around the=
 city and posted to the attendees list to warn others.  Someone else c=
oncurred that it's a problem, but also claimed to have noticed pickpockets =
working in teams and using gestures to
 indicate likely targets to each other.  There was then an observation=
 that this mechanism of communication might be problematic sometimes, follo=
wed by a proposal that we help them with their signaling.





-MSK 
















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Thank you very much to the social event organizers for letting us
visit such an interesting place.  It was a lovely evening.

Please also pass my thanks on to the event crew especially.  I guess
they were "Concept 1"?  They were very helpful to me.

See, I've hurt my foot this week and have been really hobbled by the
pain.  During the social event I was moving progressively more slowly
and the thought of walking back to the subway and then to my hotel was
deflating.  I resolved that I'd just take a taxi back.

Apparently that isn't quite as easy as I imagined it would be, just
going out to the road and hailing one.  So I inquired how I could get
a taxi, and one of the team used her own mobile to put a call out.
The conversation ended up being way longer than I would have ever
imagined for ordering a cab, and I can only wonder at why.

When the cab came another animated discussion in Czech took place for
what seemed like a couple of minutes, but ultimately it all worked out
and I got the ride back to my hotel's front door.  Whew.


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Thanks for an interesting discussion. FWIW, I think the IESG / IAOC are =
looking at these
discussions so maybe we can just have it on this list.

First, I wanted to highlight that this week=92s schedule wrt the morning =
plenaries is an experiment.
The lunch break allows the room setup conversion to take place without =
disturbing our meeting
time.

We=92ve discussed the plenaries in the IESG/IAB Sunday meeting, and are =
considering a joint,
shorter (=A82.5h) plenary for IETF-94. This would further compress the =
time that we use for
reporting, but should still allow a brief(er) technical topic to be =
discussed and some amount
of time for asking questions from the leadership boards. The saved time =
could be used
for working group meetings, breaks for those important side discussions =
or that important
rest. This is like we had it some years ago, but it would be an =
experiment to see how it
works in today=92s IETF.

Thoughts?

Also, we are very acutely aware of the tradeoffs between adequate rest =
in an intense week,
time for the WGs to do their interesting work, time for the unofficial =
and unscheduled discussions
to happen, and the constraints on lengthening the week. We have always =
tried to balance
these, and feedback on where we are with that is very much appreciated.

Part of the reason that we have such an intense meeting this time is =
that there are
so many working groups and that people find interesting work to do. I =
think that=92s
good. It is also a good thing that many of the most active WGs are using =
virtual
interim meetings to progress their work.

There are no magic solutions to offer more time; don=92t think we can =
extend the week.
We=92ll just have to do even more between meetings, use time even =
smarter in the
meetings, and use more parallelism.

Jari


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I also want to say that I thought the social was fantastic. Over and
over I would walk into a new space, enjoy the thrill of discovery, have
an excellent conversation, and explore some part of the event. The
venue was fabulous; the food was very good; the staff were excellent;
the fireworks were over the top amazing. Can anyone confirm who the
composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?

It was the perfect balance of diverting entertainment and quiet places
to talk. One of my favorite socials, and I enthusiastically thank the
sponsor.

And the staff offered me a taxi as I left; there were two or three
standing by, which may have been a sign that they learned quickly from
your experience. Kudos!

Lee

On 7/22/15, 12:04 AM, "93attendees on behalf of David C Lawrence"
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>Thank you very much to the social event organizers for letting us
>visit such an interesting place.  It was a lovely evening.
>
>Please also pass my thanks on to the event crew especially.  I guess
>they were "Concept 1"?  They were very helpful to me.
>
>See, I've hurt my foot this week and have been really hobbled by the
>pain.  During the social event I was moving progressively more slowly
>and the thought of walking back to the subway and then to my hotel was
>deflating.  I resolved that I'd just take a taxi back.
>
>Apparently that isn't quite as easy as I imagined it would be, just
>going out to the road and hailing one.  So I inquired how I could get
>a taxi, and one of the team used her own mobile to put a call out.
>The conversation ended up being way longer than I would have ever
>imagined for ordering a cab, and I can only wonder at why.
>
>When the cab came another animated discussion in Czech took place for
>what seemed like a couple of minutes, but ultimately it all worked out
>and I got the ride back to my hotel's front door.  Whew.
>
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a quick follow-up from the many off-list emails I received: I appear to be
in a disabled corner room, which doesn't have the glass panel that serves
the purpose (poorly, all of you say) that a curtain would serve. Mystery
solved!

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:

> At the risk of bringing the attendees list to a new low, I have to ask: Am
> I the only guest at the Hilton that doesn't have a shower curtain?
>
> (I've gotten progressively better at it since Sunday but it strikes me
> that maybe this is an implementation failure or some Czech/European
> proclivity that I just don't know about, given the lack of infrastructure
> for actually hanging a curtain in the bathroom... and maybe everyone just
> takes baths?)
>
> Anyway, feel free to respond to me off-list... I'm already regretting that
> I'm about to hit "send".
>
> best, Joe
>
>
> --
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a quick follow-up from the many off-list emails I received: I appear to be =
in a disabled corner room, which doesn't have the glass panel that serv=
es the purpose (poorly, all of you say) that a curtain would serve. Mystery=
 solved!

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015, Joseph Lorenzo Hall=
 <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
At the risk of bringing the attendees list to a new l=
ow, I have to ask: Am I the only guest at the Hilton that doesn't have =
a shower curtain?

(I've gotten progressively better =
at it=C2=A0since Sunday but it strikes me that maybe this is an implementat=
ion failure or some Czech/European proclivity that I just don't know ab=
out, given the lack of infrastructure for actually hanging a curtain in the=
 bathroom... and maybe everyone just takes baths?)

Anyway, feel free to respond to me off-list... I'm already regretting =
that I'm=C2=A0about to hit "send".

b=
est, Joe=C2=A0


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On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:58, Howard, Lee wrote:

> Can anyone confirm who the
> composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?

Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"

The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of this 
American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._9_(Dvořák)


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IETF 93 attendees, particularly new attendees,

If any of you would like a great way to help working groups connect with re=
mote attendees, one of the roles that many groups are frequently seeking is=
 a "jabber scribe" who will act as a liaison between the people in the room=
 and the people who are in the jabber (XMPP) chat room.  This is a great wa=
y that you can help out... and I will say for myself I often do it because =
it helps me stay focused on what is happening within the working group! ;-)

To help with this, Peter St. Andre and I collected a set of suggestions fro=
m a number of people who have been active as jabber scribes for a while and=
 have published them as a draft:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-jabber-scribe

We hope this will help.... and do welcome any comments and suggestions abou=
t the document.

If you're new to IETF, this is a role I'd encourage you to consider.  It's =
a great way to learn more about the groups - and you are definitely helping=
 out people who are participating remotely.

Dan

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york@isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624
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IETF 93 attendees, particularly new attendees,






If any of you would like a great way to help working groups=
 connect with remote attendees, one of the roles that many groups are frequ=
ently seeking is a "jabber scribe" who will act as a liaison betw=
een the people in the room and the people who
 are in the jabber (XMPP) chat room.  This is a great way that you can=
 help out... and I will say for myself I often do it because it helps me st=
ay focused on what is happening within the working group! ;-)







To help with this, Peter St. Andre and I collected a set of=
 suggestions from a number of people who have been active as jabber scribes=
 for a while and have published them as a draft:







http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-jabber-sc=
ribe







We hope this will help.... and do welcome any comments and =
suggestions about the document.







If you're new to IETF, this is a role I'd encourage you to =
consider.  It's a great way to learn more about the groups - and you a=
re definitely helping out people who are participating remotely.







Dan












--



Dan York



Senior Content Strategist, Int=
ernet Society



york@isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624


Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org 


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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:
> a quick follow-up from the many off-list emails I received: I appear to be
> in a disabled corner room,

... and now I'm confused....

Who disabled the corners in your room? And how? What happens if you
try and use the corner?!

So confused...

W
P.S: :-P


>which doesn't have the glass panel that serves
> the purpose (poorly, all of you say) that a curtain would serve. Mystery
> solved!
>
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:
>>
>> At the risk of bringing the attendees list to a new low, I have to ask: Am
>> I the only guest at the Hilton that doesn't have a shower curtain?
>>
>> (I've gotten progressively better at it since Sunday but it strikes me
>> that maybe this is an implementation failure or some Czech/European
>> proclivity that I just don't know about, given the lack of infrastructure
>> for actually hanging a curtain in the bathroom... and maybe everyone just
>> takes baths?)
>>
>> Anyway, feel free to respond to me off-list... I'm already regretting that
>> I'm about to hit "send".
>>
>> best, Joe
>>
>>
>> --
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David,

W dniu 2015-07-22 o 00:04, David C Lawrence pisze:
> Apparently that isn't quite as easy as I imagined it would be, just
> going out to the road and hailing one.

It's definitely uncommon in Central Europe to call a taxi by waiving a 
hand. Even if you see a free cab, it's probably going to pick-up a 
passenger that has called for it. The primary way to get a taxi is to 
call a taxi corporation (e.g., AAA in Prague - +420222333222). You can 
also go to a taxi stand, but you need to know where they are ;-) You've 
to be very lucky to stop a taxi on a street :-)

Moreover, it you call a taxi by phone, you will pay less than if you get 
if from a stand or street.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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On 7/22/2015 9:19 AM, Piotr Wydrych wrote:
> Moreover, it you call a taxi by phone, you will pay less than if you get
> if from a stand or street.


Most of the time, in Europe, my experience has been that there is a
surcharge for getting a taxi by making a telephone call.

d/

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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  wrote:
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Attribution is hard, but when I found who rounded the corners...

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> On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Piotr Wydrych  =
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> David,
>=20
> W dniu 2015-07-22 o 00:04, David C Lawrence pisze:
>> Apparently that isn't quite as easy as I imagined it would be, just
>> going out to the road and hailing one.
>=20
> It's definitely uncommon in Central Europe to call a taxi by waiving a =
hand. Even if you see a free cab, it's probably going to pick-up a =
passenger that has called for it. The primary way to get a taxi is to =
call a taxi corporation (e.g., AAA in Prague - +420222333222). You can =
also go to a taxi stand, but you need to know where they are ;-) You've =
to be very lucky to stop a taxi on a street :-)
>=20
> Moreover, it you call a taxi by phone, you will pay less than if you =
get if from a stand or street.

The local taxi AAA has an App that I used the other day.  The taxi came =
right to where I was.

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in most cases, you get same price via phone and on the street in Prague.

the only difference is a small group of cheating taxi drivers operating in =
surroundings of Old Town Square - so do not take taxi there.

best option for tourists is to use "liftago" or "uber" apps (both are avail=
able for iOS and Android) as you have your ride under control

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On 7/22/2015 9:19 AM, Piotr Wydrych wrote:
> Moreover, it you call a taxi by phone, you will pay less than if you get
> if from a stand or street.


Most of the time, in Europe, my experience has been that there is a
surcharge for getting a taxi by making a telephone call.

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Dave,

W dniu 2015-07-22 o 09:23, Dave Crocker pisze:
> Most of the time, in Europe, my experience has been that there is a
> surcharge for getting a taxi by making a telephone call.

Actually, especially in post-communist countries, ordering a taxi by 
calling a well-known corporation is THE ONLY WAY a tourist should 
proceed. Otherwise you'll pay more (best case) or you'll be ripped off 
(worst case, but not uncommon).

Even  says about it:

-----BEGIN QUOTE 1-----
Try to avoid getting taxi on the street (public transportation is always 
the better option in Prague) and if you have to, try to negotiate the 
price in advance. If you take taxi on the street, you should know that 
maximum price designated by city council per kilometre is 28 CZK/km 
(approx 1,3). It's advisable to call one of the major Prague Taxi services
-----END QUOTE 1-----

-----BEGIN QUOTE 2-----
If you don't speak Czech, then be prepared: There is about a 50% chance 
you will be cheated by the driver, if you hail a taxi in the city center.
-----END QUOTE 2-----

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych .. xmpp:wydrych//agh.edu.pl .. http://wydrych.net/

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Alex,

On 21/07/15 18:42, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

> can I write 192.168.1.1 and 1::1 in an email list discussion?

I would prefer not.

Especially 192.168.1.1 might be confusing. Unless used in a mail about=20
the burden's of NAT and RFC1918-space of course.

Just use the RFC6890 ranges. Easy and convenient at the same time.

Here's an example:

https://youtu.be/OLEizGPoB5w
(has English subtitles)

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I would also like to thank our hosts, CZ.NIC and Broadcom, for a really
excellent and well thought out social.  The food and drink were good and
the locale was lovely - but what really stood out for me was the thought
and care given to facilitating the social conversations that are so
important.  There was plenty of interesting entertainment, but - except the
awesome fireworks with great accompanying music - nothing that tried to
grab attention for a long time or prevented quiet side-conversations.  The
noise-level allowed easy conversation and there were lots of different
places to explore and discover the amusements.

I regret that I didn't get out for a boat ride or explore the basement with
the liquid-nitrogen dessert making. *sniff*

I know that such socials cost far far far more than the ticket fees.  I
really appreciate not merely the funding from our hosts, but the care and
thought given to the aspects of the Social that really help pull us
together to socialize informally as a community.

Alia

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 AM, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:

> > > Can anyone confirm who the
> > > composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?
> >
> > Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"
> >
> > The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of this
> > American.
>
> I also recognized it right away and appreciated the choice. :)
> I think in a broader sense the music could be seen as a celebration of a
> community of disparate people with origins from all over the world who come
> together to forge a new world.
> Barbara
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I would also like to thank our hosts, CZ.NIC and Broadcom,=
 for a really excellent and well thought out social.=C2=A0 The food and dri=
nk were good and the locale was lovely - but what really stood out for me w=
as the thought and care given to facilitating the social conversations that=
 are so important.=C2=A0 There was plenty of interesting entertainment, but=
 - except the awesome fireworks with great accompanying music - nothing tha=
t tried to grab attention for a long time or prevented quiet side-conversat=
ions.=C2=A0 The noise-level allowed easy conversation and there were lots o=
f different places to explore and discover the amusements.

I regret that I didn't get out for a boat ride or explore the baseme=
nt with the liquid-nitrogen dessert making. *sniff*

I know that such socials cost far far far more than the ticket fees.=C2=
=A0 I really appreciate not merely the funding from our hosts, but the care=
 and thought given to the aspects of the Social that really help pull us to=
gether to socialize informally as a community.

Ali=
a

On W=
ed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 AM, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> =
wrote:
> > Can any=
one confirm who the

> > composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?

>

> Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"

>

> The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of thi=
s

> American.



I also recognized it right away and appreciated the choice. :)

I think in a broader sense the music could be seen as a celebration of a co=
mmunity of disparate people with origins from all over the world who come t=
ogether to forge a new world.

Barbara


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So very sorry - of course I meant Brocade!!!

The perils of multi-tasking...

Alia

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Alia Atlas  wrote:

> I would also like to thank our hosts, CZ.NIC and Broadcom, for a really
> excellent and well thought out social.  The food and drink were good and
> the locale was lovely - but what really stood out for me was the thought
> and care given to facilitating the social conversations that are so
> important.  There was plenty of interesting entertainment, but - except the
> awesome fireworks with great accompanying music - nothing that tried to
> grab attention for a long time or prevented quiet side-conversations.  The
> noise-level allowed easy conversation and there were lots of different
> places to explore and discover the amusements.
>
> I regret that I didn't get out for a boat ride or explore the basement
> with the liquid-nitrogen dessert making. *sniff*
>
> I know that such socials cost far far far more than the ticket fees.  I
> really appreciate not merely the funding from our hosts, but the care and
> thought given to the aspects of the Social that really help pull us
> together to socialize informally as a community.
>
> Alia
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 AM, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:
>
>> > > Can anyone confirm who the
>> > > composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?
>> >
>> > Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"
>> >
>> > The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of this
>> > American.
>>
>> I also recognized it right away and appreciated the choice. :)
>> I think in a broader sense the music could be seen as a celebration of a
>> community of disparate people with origins from all over the world who come
>> together to forge a new world.
>> Barbara
>> _______________________________________________
>> 93attendees mailing list
>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>
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So very sorry - of course I meant Brocade!!!

The perils of multi-tasking...

Alia

On Wed, Jul 22=
, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
=

I would also like to thank =
our hosts, CZ.NIC and Broadcom, for a really excellent and well thought out=
 social.=C2=A0 The food and drink were good and the locale was lovely - but=
 what really stood out for me was the thought and care given to facilitatin=
g the social conversations that are so important.=C2=A0 There was plenty of=
 interesting entertainment, but - except the awesome fireworks with great a=
ccompanying music - nothing that tried to grab attention for a long time or=
 prevented quiet side-conversations.=C2=A0 The noise-level allowed easy con=
versation and there were lots of different places to explore and discover t=
he amusements.

I regret that I didn't get out for a =
boat ride or explore the basement with the liquid-nitrogen dessert making. =
*sniff*

I know that such socials cost far far far =
more than the ticket fees.=C2=A0 I really appreciate not merely the funding=
 from our hosts, but the care and thought given to the aspects of the Socia=
l that really help pull us together to socialize informally as a community.=


Alia

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 AM, =
STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone confirm who =
the

> > composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?

>

> Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"

>

> The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of thi=
s

> American.



I also recognized it right away and appreciated the choice. :)

I think in a broader sense the music could be seen as a celebration of a co=
mmunity of disparate people with origins from all over the world who come t=
ogether to forge a new world.

Barbara


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___

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My criteria for a good social:

    good food and drink?        thumbs up!
    interesting venue?             thumbs up!
    able to socialize?               thumbs up!

3 thumbs up from me! This social was definitely a good one.

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> On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Alia Atlas  wrote:
>=20
> I would also like to thank our hosts, CZ.NIC and Broadcom, for a =
really excellent and well thought out social.  The food and drink were =
good and the locale was lovely - but what really stood out for me was =
the thought and care given to facilitating the social conversations that =
are so important.  There was plenty of interesting entertainment, but - =
except the awesome fireworks with great accompanying music - nothing =
that tried to grab attention for a long time or prevented quiet =
side-conversations.  The noise-level allowed easy conversation and there =
were lots of different places to explore and discover the amusements.

I was also happy with a venue that was conducive of having good =
conversations.  I'm slightly hard of hearing and all too often venues =
with high background noise become socially isolating.

I do have one future suggestion for hosts that may consider fireworks as =
part of the entertainment:
While I love fireworks, please announce that they're going to happen.  =
Some people, particularly military veterans, have strong negative =
reactions to the noise, the smell or even the flashes of light.  I saw =
at least three individuals make rapid exits from the venue when the =
fireworks started.

That said, I loved the show and was given incentive to download a bit of =
classical music for my phone.

-- Jeff


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 In your previous mail you wrote:

>  Can anyone confirm who the
>  composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?

=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._9_(Dvorak)

(your browser should add hook and accent on 'r' and 'a' from my ASCII :-)

It was the famous last movement. IMHO a	 good choice as Antonin Dvorak
is one of the greatest compositor of this country and because in the
"From the New World" the "New World" is	  explicitely the     USA.

Regards

Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr


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At 6:11 PM +0200 7/21/15, Yoav Nir wrote:

>  Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

So you're proposing a nits-style check for presentations?  Perhaps it 
should check that presentations are focused on open issues in active 
drafts?

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That would be an assertion going way beyond what the composer indicated.

This was a Czech composer, known for taken folk melodies and styles into hi=
s music, who during the 3 years he was in the United States, created a symp=
hony incorporating Native American and African American styles.

Regards

Keith

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> > > Can anyone confirm who the
> > > composer was of the musical accompaniment to the fireworks?
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> > Antonin Dvorak, Symphony Number 9, "From the New World"
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> > The music was a brilliant choice, at least from the perspective of=20
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> I also recognized it right away and appreciated the choice.=20
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At 12:37 AM +0200 7/22/15, Jari Arkko wrote:

>  We've discussed the plenaries in the IESG/IAB Sunday meeting, and 
> are considering a joint,
>  shorter (s2.5h) plenary for IETF-94. This would further compress 
> the time that we use for
>  reporting, but should still allow a brief(er) technical topic to be 
> discussed and some amount
>  of time for asking questions from the leadership boards. The saved 
> time could be used
>  for working group meetings, breaks for those important side 
> discussions or that important
>  rest. This is like we had it some years ago, but it would be an 
> experiment to see how it
>  works in today's IETF.

I think it's worth a try.

>  Also, we are very acutely aware of the tradeoffs between adequate 
> rest in an intense week,
>  time for the WGs to do their interesting work, time for the 
> unofficial and unscheduled discussions
>  to happen, and the constraints on lengthening the week. We have 
> always tried to balance
>  these, and feedback on where we are with that is very much appreciated.

I wonder if it might be possible to try and tweak this by:

   - Having most slots be shorter (e.g., 60 minutes)
   - When WG chairs request slot(s), ask them to rate how critical f2f time is
     o f2f time vital for making progress on x drafts
     o f2f time useful for making progress in WG generally
     o f2f time potentially useful

When scheduling is done, give priority to "vital" WG slots (some 
groups might not get a slot).

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At 3:58 PM -0400 7/21/15, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:

>  (I've gotten progressively better at it since Sunday but it strikes 
> me that maybe this is an implementation failure or some 
> Czech/European proclivity that I just don't know about, given the 
> lack of infrastructure for actually hanging a curtain in the 
> bathroom... and maybe everyone just takes baths?)

Being from the U.S., I've always assumed that Europeans are trained 
from an early age to use the hand-held wand when showering, always 
being careful to point the water inside the tub/enclosure, while 
Americans are trained to use a fixed shower head and not worry about 
where the water splashes.  But perhaps those pieces of glass commonly 
used to suggest a divider operate on the same magic principles that 
keep tobacco smoke confined to designated smoking tables.

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I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.

There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into =
different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation =
(and areas without music for really intense conversations).

And added benefits:

The venue was beautiful. (wow)
The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and =
plentiful right up until the time to go home.
There were interesting activities to engage in.
And as extra credit - fireworks!

Amazing.

Thanks to our hosts.


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I had a strange conversation with the reception just now and such knowledge
might come handy for others:

(clienthello, serverhello, ...)
Me: I'd like to ask for a later checkout on Friday
Them: sorry, Friday is busy, we cannot do that
Me: ok, what's the standard checkout time?
Them: it's 12 o'clock. I see your badge, are you with the group?
Me: yes
Them: then it's 10 o'clock
Me: ???
Them: well, I can arrange a late checkout for 12 o'clock for you
Me: ok

Robert


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At the weekend they deal with hundreds of people in tour groups, so
they want to get the rooms cleaned ASAP. If you're staying until
Saturday, the converse problem will occur: they probably won't make
up your room until 4 p.m. or so.

Regards
   Brian

On 22/07/2015 22:01, Robert Kisteleki wrote:
> I had a strange conversation with the reception just now and such knowledge
> might come handy for others:
> 
> (clienthello, serverhello, ...)
> Me: I'd like to ask for a later checkout on Friday
> Them: sorry, Friday is busy, we cannot do that
> Me: ok, what's the standard checkout time?
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> Me: yes
> Them: then it's 10 o'clock
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> Them: well, I can arrange a late checkout for 12 o'clock for you
> Me: ok
> 
> Robert
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+1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the host team =
for a great one.

Cheers
Suresh

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I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.

There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into diff=
erent areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation (a=
nd areas without music for really intense conversations).

And added benefits:

The venue was beautiful. (wow)
The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentiful=
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There were interesting activities to engage in.
And as extra credit - fireworks!

Amazing.

Thanks to our hosts.


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+1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats =
off to the host team for a great one.




Cheers 

Suresh 



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I don't often chime in, but this social was incred=
ibly awesome.



There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into diff=
erent areas, good seating arrangements, and such.

There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation (a=
nd areas without music for really intense conversations).



And added benefits:



The venue was beautiful. (wow)

The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentiful=
 right up until the time to go home.

There were interesting activities to engage in.

And as extra credit - fireworks!



Amazing.



Thanks to our hosts.





--Sandy











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Thank you Brocade and the host team.

It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing
especially fascinate my kids.


Thank you,
Tina

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan 
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>  +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the host
> team for a great one.
>
> Cheers
> Suresh
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>  I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
>
> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into
> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation
> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>
> And added benefits:
>
> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and
> plentiful right up until the time to go home.
> There were interesting activities to engage in.
> And as extra credit - fireworks!
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> Thanks to our hosts.
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Thank you Brocade and the host team.

It's very famil=
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kids.


Thank you,
Tina
=

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+1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to=
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Cheers 

Suresh 



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I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.


There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into diff=
erent areas, good seating arrangements, and such.

There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation (a=
nd areas without music for really intense conversations).



And added benefits:



The venue was beautiful. (wow)

The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentiful=
 right up until the time to go home.

There were interesting activities to engage in.

And as extra credit - fireworks!



Amazing.



Thanks to our hosts.





--Sandy














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You'll find it in the checklist:
http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist.html
and of course the nit checker flags it.

    Brian

On 22/07/2015 04:08, Marco Davids (SIDN) wrote:
> On 21/07/15 17:13, Dave Crocker wrote:
> 
>> For example, there is no text about it in:
>>
>>       Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
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>>       http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
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> Well than.... we should fix that.
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> From: Sandra Murphy
>=20
> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.

+1

>=20
> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into
> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation
> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>=20
> And added benefits:
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> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentif=
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> right up until the time to go home.
> There were interesting activities to engage in.
> And as extra credit - fireworks!
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> Amazing.
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> Thanks to our hosts.
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> --Sandy
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Event and venue was great. Wish i had arrived earlier. Way more to see and do than time.

Tidbits:

How is it possible that participants of the IETF can suck so much at QoS ?
There where constantly unequal load balancing across functionally parallel queues,
totally creating bufferbloat, jitter and system underutilization.
And stuffing packets into the middle of queues to create TL expiry for
existing packets was also annoying, not sure which RFC that was based on.

Alchemist basement seemed underappreciated, but was really cool. I
got salmon and the magician pushed so much smoke into my direction that i
got smoked salmon purely by eating it *cough* ;-))

Original budweiser with 7.5% alcohol. No idea if i can find it back in the US.. cool.

Not specific to the social, but Prague is a great city to walk anywhere you want
to. Weather of course helps. Didn't remember that from 2007. Haven't used any
public or taxi except from airport.

Chers
    Toerless


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:11:25AM -0400, Tony Hansen wrote:
> My criteria for a good social:
> 
>     good food and drink?        thumbs up!
>     interesting venue?             thumbs up!
>     able to socialize?               thumbs up!
> 
> 3 thumbs up from me! This social was definitely a good one.
> 
>     Tony Hansen
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No, I'm not proposing that.

We could make a document with some guidance for presenters, and to send it =
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>  Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

So you're proposing a nits-style check for presentations?  Perhaps it=20
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On 7/22/15 12:30 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> Event and venue was great. Wish i had arrived earlier. Way more to
> see and do than time.
> 
> Tidbits:
> 
> How is it possible that participants of the IETF can suck so much
> at QoS ? There where constantly unequal load balancing across
> functionally parallel queues, totally creating bufferbloat, jitter
> and system underutilization. And stuffing packets into the middle
> of queues to create TL expiry for existing packets was also
> annoying, not sure which RFC that was based on.
> 
> Alchemist basement seemed underappreciated, but was really cool. I 
> got salmon and the magician pushed so much smoke into my direction
> that i got smoked salmon purely by eating it *cough* ;-))
> 
> Original budweiser with 7.5% alcohol. No idea if i can find it back
> in the US.. cool.

Budvar super strong isn't distributed in the US.

regular is

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/304/154361/

> Not specific to the social, but Prague is a great city to walk
> anywhere you want to. Weather of course helps. Didn't remember that
> from 2007. Haven't used any public or taxi except from airport.
> 
> Chers Toerless
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:11:25AM -0400, Tony Hansen wrote:
>> My criteria for a good social:
>> 
>> good food and drink?        thumbs up! interesting venue?
>> thumbs up! able to socialize?               thumbs up!
>> 
>> 3 thumbs up from me! This social was definitely a good one.
>> 
>> Tony Hansen
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 93attendees
>> mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org 
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The EDU team had a =93Presentation Skill Tutorial=94 recently, http://tools=
.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/IETF91
I didn=92t discuss IP address and domain name examples, but I did discuss m=
icrophones, slide numbers, and focusing on getting useful work done.

I=92m willing to write it as a text guide, adding notes about other nits, e=
ither as a draft or as a document to point presenters to.
Also willing to discuss further on EDU list.

Lee


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No, I'm not proposing that.

We could make a document with some guidance for presenters, and to send it =
to all participants when they register for the meeting.
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At 6:11 PM +0200 7/21/15, Yoav Nir wrote:

>  Presentations get uploaded with little checking.

So you're proposing a nits-style check for presentations?  Perhaps it
should check that presentations are focused on open issues in active
drafts?

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On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Randall Gellens  =
wrote:
> I wonder if it might be possible to try and tweak this by:
>=20
>  - Having most slots be shorter (e.g., 60 minutes)
>  - When WG chairs request slot(s), ask them to rate how critical f2f =
time is
>    o f2f time vital for making progress on x drafts
>    o f2f time useful for making progress in WG generally
>    o f2f time potentially useful
>=20
> When scheduling is done, give priority to "vital" WG slots (some =
groups might not get a slot).

This is a great suggestion.   In addition, I would suggest:

Having a single slot per day that=E2=80=99s for cross-area advertising, =
takes a half hour, is not area-specific, and is short.   You get two =
minutes for an elevator pitch, and it=E2=80=99s about a document that =
would be discussed somewhere that day.   Competition for slots would be =
based on the amount and level of actual work that has occurred on that =
document since the previous IETF, plus the AD=E2=80=99s and chairs=E2=80=99=
 impression of how important cross-area review is.   No Q&A, and if you =
run to the end of your slot, your microphone gets cut and the next =
presenter=E2=80=99s microphone gets turned on.   In some cases it might =
make sense for someone who is not a document author to do a talk on a =
document because they are concerned about some issue in the document and =
want to raise awareness about it.

This is probably not correct as proposed, but trying it as proposed =
would help us to understand what would be correct.

Another suggestion: keep some slots open, so that when a discussion in =
one of the short slots turns out to be productive, an additional slot =
can be forked later in the week to continue it.  A bit of a risk that =
people would skip the last day if we did this, but people who want to =
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On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Randall Gellens <randy@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:
I wonder if it might be possible to try and =
tweak this by:

 - Having most slots =
be shorter (e.g., 60 minutes)
 - When WG chairs =
request slot(s), ask them to rate how critical f2f time is
   o f2f time vital for making =
progress on x drafts
   o f2f =
time useful for making progress in WG generally
   o f2f time potentially =
useful

When scheduling is done, =
give priority to "vital" WG slots (some groups might not get a =
slot).

This =
is a great suggestion.   In addition, I would suggest:

Having a single slot per =
day that=E2=80=99s for cross-area advertising, takes a half hour, is not =
area-specific, and is short.   You get two minutes for an elevator =
pitch, and it=E2=80=99s about a document that would be discussed =
somewhere that day.   Competition for slots would be based on the =
amount and level of actual work that has occurred on that document since =
the previous IETF, plus the AD=E2=80=99s and chairs=E2=80=99 impression =
of how important cross-area review is.   No Q&A, and if you run =
to the end of your slot, your microphone gets cut and the next =
presenter=E2=80=99s microphone gets turned on.   In some cases it =
might make sense for someone who is not a document author to do a talk =
on a document because they are concerned about some issue in the =
document and want to raise awareness about it.

This is probably not correct as =
proposed, but trying it as proposed would help us to understand what =
would be correct.

Another suggestion: keep some slots open, so that when a =
discussion in one of the short slots turns out to be productive, an =
additional slot can be forked later in the week to continue it.  A =
bit of a risk that people would skip the last day if we did this, but =
people who want to get work done might not.

=

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Alexandre PETRESCU
 wrote:
> Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide presentation - it's Documentation.
>
> But can I write 192.168.1.1

Then I'd assume you are talking explicitly RFC1918 address space.

>and 1::1

To be honest, my first impression would be 'you mean ::1 - loopback?'
and second one 'probably not, probably you mean 2001:db8::1'...

>in an email list discussion?

Yes you can indeed...But IMHO it is like intentionally omitting
punctuation marks or not starting sentences/names with capital
letters...


> Le 21/07/2015 18:09, Mark Andrews a =C3=A9crit :
>
> It is in NITs.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-=
dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt
>
> Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.
>
> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
>
>   =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4 ad=
dresses
>      in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be
> changed.
>
> Mark
>
> In message
> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-luce=
nt.com>,
> "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
>
> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addresse=
s
> and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
>
> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
>
> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with=
.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of David C Lawrence
> Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43
> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
> examples for IP prefixes and domain names
>
> Dave Crocker writes:
>
> For example, there is no text about it in:
>      Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
>      http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
>
> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too.
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On (07/22/15 11:15), Francis Dupont wrote:
> It was the famous last movement. IMHO a	 good choice as Antonin Dvorak
> is one of the greatest compositor of this country and because in the

Careful using superlatives: Czechs take a lot of national pride in 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed%C5%99ich_Smetana
and there is some debate over preferences, aiui.

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> Thank you Brocade and the host team.
>
> It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing
> especially fascinate my kids.
>
> Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common with
anything "Russian".


>
> Thank you,
> Tina
>
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan  > wrote:
>
>>  +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the host
>> team for a great one.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Suresh
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>> *Received:* Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM
>> *To:* 93attendees@ietf.org [93attendees@ietf.org]
>> *CC:* Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
>>
>>  I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
>>
>> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into
>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
>> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation
>> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>>
>> And added benefits:
>>
>> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and
>> plentiful right up until the time to go home.
>> There were interesting activities to engage in.
>> And as extra credit - fireworks!
>>
>> Amazing.
>>
>> Thanks to our hosts.
>>
>>
>> --Sandy
>>
>>
>>

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Thank you Brocade and the host team.

It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing esp=
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Sorry, but=
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Thank you,
Tina

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, S=
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+1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to=
 the host team for a great one.




Cheers 

Suresh 



-----Original Message----- 

From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]

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To: 93attendees@ietf.org [93attendees@ietf.org]

CC: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]

Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation







I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.


There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into diff=
erent areas, good seating arrangements, and such.

There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation (a=
nd areas without music for really intense conversations).



And added benefits:



The venue was beautiful. (wow)

The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentiful=
 right up until the time to go home.

There were interesting activities to engage in.

And as extra credit - fireworks!



Amazing.



Thanks to our hosts.





--Sandy
















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On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Piotr Wydrych  =
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> Dave,
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> W dniu 2015-07-22 o 09:23, Dave Crocker pisze:
>> Most of the time, in Europe, my experience has been that there is a
>> surcharge for getting a taxi by making a telephone call.
>=20
> Actually, especially in post-communist countries, ordering a taxi by =
calling a well-known corporation is THE ONLY WAY a tourist should =
proceed. Otherwise you'll pay more (best case) or you'll be ripped off =
(worst case, but not uncommon).

Hmm, I guess I=92ve just been lucky in the taxis I=92ve flagged down to =
date. But they do stop for a simple hail signal, and seem to be numerous =
on main roads. Fares are much cheaper than those where you start with =
the taxi that=92s waiting outside the Hilton door (going to a place =
seems about double the cost of haling a cab to come back the same =
distance the other way :).  The journeys have been metered, so you can =
see how quickly, or not, your fare is stacking up.

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>> It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing
>> especially fascinate my kids.
>>
> Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common with
> anything "Russian".

lol. No reason to be offended.
That thing is called "Russian Bowling" (however I was under impression
that originally that name was used for what we called '=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=80=
=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BA=D0=B8'). It's
like in Russian we call roller coasters "American mountains" (despite
the fact they descended from the "Russian Mountains,", see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_roller_coaster)

>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the host
>>> team for a great one.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Suresh
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>>> Received: Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org [93attendees@ietf.org]
>>> CC: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
>>>
>>> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
>>>
>>> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into
>>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
>>> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversatio=
n
>>> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>>>
>>> And added benefits:
>>>
>>> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
>>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and
>>> plentiful right up until the time to go home.
>>> There were interesting activities to engage in.
>>> And as extra credit - fireworks!
>>>
>>> Amazing.
>>>
>>> Thanks to our hosts.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Sandy
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Je=
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:29 PM, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=
=B9 =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2  > wrote:
> >> It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing
> >> especially fascinate my kids.
> >>
> > Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common with
> > anything "Russian".
>
> lol. No reason to be offended.

Not even slightly offended. Just to clarify.

> That thing is called "Russian Bowling" (however I was under impression
> that originally that name was used for what we called '=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=80=
=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BA=D0=B8'). It's
> like in Russian we call roller coasters "American mountains" (despite
> the fact they descended from the "Russian Mountains,", see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_roller_coaster)

Lot of other examples exist. ;)

>
> >> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan
> >> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the host
> >>> team for a great one.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Suresh
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com ]
> >>> Received: Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM
> >>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org  [93attendees@ietf.org
> ]
> >>> CC: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com ]
> >>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
> >>>
> >>> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
> >>>
> >>> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken int=
o
> >>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
> >>> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to
> conversation
> >>> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
> >>>
> >>> And added benefits:
> >>>
> >>> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
> >>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and
> >>> plentiful right up until the time to go home.
> >>> There were interesting activities to engage in.
> >>> And as extra credit - fireworks!
> >>>
> >>> Amazing.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to our hosts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --Sandy
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > 93attendees mailing list
> > 93attendees@ietf.org 
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >
>
>
>
> --
> SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry
>

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=D1=8C Jen Linkova  =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:29 PM, =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=
=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 &=
lt;vdolmatov@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo print=
ing

>> especially fascinate my kids.

>>

> Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common with
> anything "Russian".



lol. No reason to be offended.
Not even slightly offended.=
 Just to clarify.=C2=A0

That thing is called "Russian Bowling" (however I was under impre=
ssion

that originally that name was used for what we called '=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=
=80=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BA=D0=B8'). It's

like in Russian we call roller coasters "American mountains" (des=
pite

the fact they descended from the "Russian Mountains,", see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_roller_coaster<=
/a>)



>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan

>> <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com&g=
t; wrote:

>>>

>>> +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to t=
he host

>>> team for a great one.

>>>

>>> Cheers

>>> Suresh

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>>> Received: Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM

>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org [93attendees@ietf.org]

>>> CC: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]

>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation

>>>

>>> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awe=
some.

>>>

>>> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - bro=
ken into

>>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.

>>> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to co=
nversation

>>> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>>>

>>> And added benefits:

>>>

>>> The venue was beautiful. (wow)

>>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, =
and

>>> plentiful right up until the time to go home.

>>> There were interesting activities to engage in.

>>> And as extra credit - fireworks!

>>>

>>> Amazing.

>>>

>>> Thanks to our hosts.

>>>

>>>

>>> --Sandy

>>>

>>>

>

> _______________________________________________

> 93attendees mailing list

> 93attendees@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

>







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On 22 Jul 2015, at 11:30, Toerless Eckert  wrote:
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> Event and venue was great. Wish i had arrived earlier. Way more to see =
and do than time.

Indeed, a fantastic social. Great food, drink and entertainment, in an =
amazing setting. So much to do and see and experience. And lots of space =
to break out and talk.

And the fireworks. Wow.

A very memorable evening - well done all involved in setting it up.

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 In your previous mail you wrote:

>  On (07/22/15 11:15), Francis Dupont wrote:
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=> I wrote "one of" to avoid that (:-).

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On 22.7.2015 12:30, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> Event and venue was great. Wish i had arrived earlier. Way more to see and do than time.
>

Great to hear, thank you all for kind words.

> Original budweiser with 7.5% alcohol. No idea if i can find it back in the US.. cool.

Budweiser Budvar is distrubuted in US under name Czechvar because of
the dispute with AB. Company strategy is to keep brewing only in Ceske
Budejovice (Budweis in German/English and btw my hometown) so the
taste/quality is really the same, not like some others.

		Ondrej


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On 7/21/15 2:14 PM, Jeff Haas wrote:
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>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker  wrote:
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>> We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of meeting hours, n=
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> How well have we done the last few meetings, including this one, at hav=
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In IETF 89 STRAW and AVTEXT got scheduled to meet in parallel in two differ=
ent rooms (in a slot longer than either of us had requested), and we agreed=
 with AD/secretariat to meet sequentially in the same room. There was no sp=
ecific handover time (beyond an estimate on the agenda), the second group s=
tarted a few minutes after the previous group finished.

Partly as a result of this, for IETF 90 they agreed to make more 1 hour slo=
ts available, although possible they could still go even further in this di=
rection.

Keith

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>=20
> On 7/21/15 2:14 PM, Jeff Haas wrote:
> >=20
> >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Dave Crocker  wrote:
> >>
> >> We should be looking for ways to reduce the number of=20
> meeting hours,=20
> >> not to increase them.
> >=20
> > How well have we done the last few meetings, including this=20
> one, at having full session times?  If we have fractional=20
> sessions, do we have any possibility of squeezing two groups=20
> into a single room?
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> sunset4/v6ops
> pim/mboned
> opsarea/opsawg
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> > -- Jeff
> >=20
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Jen,

Thanks for the message.  Let me say why I need to write that.

Le 22/07/2015 13:13, Jen Linkova a =C3=A9crit :
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Alexandre PETRESCU
>  wrote:
>> Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide presentation - it's Documentation.
>>
>> But can I write 192.168.1.1
> Then I'd assume you are talking explicitly RFC1918 address space.
>
>> and 1::1
> To be honest, my first impression would be 'you mean ::1 - loopback?'
> and second one 'probably not, probably you mean 2001:db8::1'...

I dont write 2001:db8 in emails because I am always afraid to not say=20
something wrong - is that 2001 for sure, is it db8 or b8d?

And it's shorter to write 1::1

> Yes you can indeed...But IMHO it is like intentionally omitting
> punctuation marks or not starting sentences/names with capital
> letters...

Ah.  To me 1::1 instead of 2001:db8::1 is like saying "hi" instead of =20
"good day".

Alex

>> Le 21/07/2015 18:09, Mark Andrews a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> It is in NITs.
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ie=
tf-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt
>>
>> Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses=
=2E
>>
>> Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
>>
>>    =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv=
4 addresses
>>       in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be=

>> changed.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> In message
>> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-l=
ucent.com>,
>> "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:
>>
>> Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addre=
sses
>> and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.
>>
>> Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.
>>
>> Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off w=
ith.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf Of David C Lawrence
>> Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43
>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
>> examples for IP prefixes and domain names
>>
>> Dave Crocker writes:
>>
>> For example, there is no text about it in:
>>       Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
>>       http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt
>>
>> Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would be good too.=

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    Jen,

      

      Thanks for the message.=C2=A0 Let me say why I need to write that.<=
br>
      

    
    
Le 22/07/2015 13:13, Jen Linkova a
      =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

    

    

      
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Alexandre PETRESCU
<alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> wrote:


      

        
Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide presentation - i=
t's Documentation.

But can I write 192.168.1.1


      

      
Then I'd assume you are talking explicitly RFC1918 address space.



      

        
and 1::1


      

      
To be honest, my first impression would be 'you mean ::1 - loopback?'
and second one 'probably not, probably you mean 2001:db8::1'...

    

    

    I dont write 2001:db8 in emails because I am always afraid to not
    say something wrong - is that 2001 for sure, is it db8 or b8d?

    

    And it's shorter to write 1::1

    

    

      
Yes you can indeed...But IMHO it is like intentionally omitting
punctuation marks or not starting sentences/names with capital
letters...

    

    

    Ah.=C2=A0 To me 1::1 instead of 2001:db8::1 is like saying "hi" inste=
ad
    of=C2=A0 "good day".

    

    Alex

    

    

      

        
Le 21/07/2015 18:09, Mark Andrews a =C3=A9crit :

It is in NITs.

https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-i=
etf-dnsop-default-local-zones-15.txt

Where there are literal addresses that are non documentation addresses.

Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist=
 :

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---

  =3D=3D There are 1 instance of lines with non-RFC5735-compliant IPv4 ad=
dresses
     in the document.  If these are example addresses, they should be
changed.

Mark

In message
<949EF2099082=
3C4C85C18D59AA11AD8B69748559@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com>,
"DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" writes:

Presumably it should be possible to have a tool that extracts IP addresse=
s
and URIs from drafts and flags those that are inappropriate.

Could be done either in conjunction with NITs or separately.

Most usages in presentations are probably in the drafts to start off with=
=2E

Keith

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of David C Lawrence
Sent: 21 July 2015 16:43
To: 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] To all presenters: choose correct
examples for IP prefixes and domain names

Dave Crocker writes:

For example, there is no text about it in:
     Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts
     http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt

Puttig it in http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ would=
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+1 My wife told me it was the best social ever.  (I agree and my sample siz=
e is bigger than hers.)=20
Thanks

Don=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandra Murphy
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> To: 93attendees@ietf.org
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> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
>=20
> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
>=20
> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken into di=
fferent
> areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to conversation =
(and
> areas without music for really intense conversations).
>=20
> And added benefits:
>=20
> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and plentif=
ul
> right up until the time to go home.
> There were interesting activities to engage in.
> And as extra credit - fireworks!
>=20
> Amazing.
>=20
> Thanks to our hosts.
>=20
>=20
> --Sandy
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On Jul 22, 2015, at 11:57, Sandra Murphy  wrote:

> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.

I don't often go to socials, but am glad I went to this one. You and Alia e=
xpressed it well, so I'll just +1.

Many thanks to the hosts!

Kireeti=


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:13:55PM +0200,
 Dave Crocker  wrote 
 a message of 25 lines which said:

> I am new to the IETF.
> 
> I have never written an Internet Draft, nevermind an RFC.
> 
> How I to know of these conventions?

I've just discussed the matter with the RFC Editor and they have these
documentation IP prefixes in their checklist. A bit late in the
process but, at least for RFC, it will be caught, even if it is not in
the public Instructions for Authors.


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Dear all,

=20

I hope that you are not so tired from my local suggestion=E2=80=A6.

=20

Just about bowling discussion. I am local bowling professionall   and if you really like to play this type =
of game (incl oil pattern you wish) professional center + good local =
food, beer (Kouty name) =3D> my suggestion.

=20

There is no entry fee. Just local people restaurant for lunch menu 5EUR =
and also reasonable price for dinner with option fun for evening =
bowling. Fully no smoking and air condition.

=20

Location  is just 20min by tram from Florenc (tip =E2=80=93 use number =
26 from Masarykova station). Destination is =E2=80=9EOlsanska=E2=80=9C =
btw area of Czech Telecom base, Czech Post base and not so far also from =
Prague TV Tower.=20

=20

http://www.zizkov.xbowling.cz/cs/kontakty/

=20

Sorry there is no english version.

 =20

Just speaking with owner of this club. He will offer 1+1 discount on =
bowling  it means 1hour bowling free if you order 1hour. You need to =
have IETF badge.

=20

If you need more details -> let me know to my privat email: =
tm@auditel.cz

=20

BR

=20

Tomas

=20

=20

=20

=20

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
??????? ????????
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 1:52 PM
To: Jen Linkova
Cc: Tina Tsou; sandy@tislabs.com; Suresh Krishnan; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation

=20



=D1=81=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, 22 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =
=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C =
Jen Linkova =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:29 PM, =
=D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2  > wrote:
>> It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo printing
>> especially fascinate my kids.
>>
> Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common with
> anything "Russian".

lol. No reason to be offended.

Not even slightly offended. Just to clarify.=20

That thing is called "Russian Bowling" (however I was under impression
that originally that name was used for what we called =
'=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BA=D0=B8'). It's
like in Russian we call roller coasters "American mountains" (despite
the fact they descended from the "Russian Mountains,", see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_roller_coaster)

Lot of other examples exist. ;) =20


>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh Krishnan
>>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> +1. Knowing how hard it is to organize a social, hats off to the =
host
>>> team for a great one.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Suresh
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com  ]
>>> Received: Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org   [93attendees@ietf.org =
 ]
>>> CC: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com  ]
>>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
>>>
>>> I don't often chime in, but this social was incredibly awesome.
>>>
>>> There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken =
into
>>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and such.
>>> There was lovely music and the noise level was conducive to =
conversation
>>> (and areas without music for really intense conversations).
>>>
>>> And added benefits:
>>>
>>> The venue was beautiful. (wow)
>>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to the venue, and
>>> plentiful right up until the time to go home.
>>> There were interesting activities to engage in.
>>> And as extra credit - fireworks!
>>>
>>> Amazing.
>>>
>>> Thanks to our hosts.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Sandy
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 93attendees mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org =20
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Dear all,
 
I hope that you are not so tired from my local =
suggestion=E2=80=A6.
 
Just about bowling discussion. I am local bowling professionall =
=C2=A0<but still no perfect game=E2=80=A6> and if you really like =
to play this type of game (incl oil pattern you wish) professional =
center + good local food, beer (Kouty name) =3D> my =
suggestion.
 
There is no entry fee. Just local people restaurant for lunch menu =
5EUR and also reasonable price for dinner with option fun for evening =
bowling. Fully no smoking and air condition.
 
Location =C2=A0is just 20min by tram from Florenc (tip =E2=80=93 use =
number 26 from Masarykova station). Destination is =
=E2=80=9EOlsanska=E2=80=9C btw area of Czech Telecom base, Czech Post =
base and not so far also from Prague TV Tower. 
 
http://www.zizkov.xbo=
wling.cz/cs/kontakty/
 
Sorry there is no english version.
 =C2=A0=C2=A0
Just speaking with owner of this club. He will offer 1+1 discount on =
bowling =C2=A0it means 1hour bowling free if you order 1hour. You need =
to have IETF badge.
 
If you need more details -> let me know to my privat email: =
tm@auditel.cz
 
BR
 
Tomas
 
 
 
 
From:=
 =
93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
??????? ????????
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 1:52 =
PM
To: Jen Linkova
Cc: Tina Tsou; sandy@tislabs.com; =
Suresh Krishnan; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: =
[93attendees] Social Event Appreciation
 


=D1=81=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, 22 =
=D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2015 =D0=B3. =
=D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C =
Jen Linkova =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:29 PM, =
=D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =
=D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 <vdolmatov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> =
It's very family friendly. The Russian bowling and photo =
printing
>> especially fascinate my kids.
>>
> =
Sorry, but the attraction at the social had _nothing_ in common =
with
> anything "Russian".

lol. No reason to be =
offended.
Not even slightly =
offended. Just to clarify. 
That =
thing is called "Russian Bowling" (however I was under =
impression
that originally that name was used for what we called =
'=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BA=D0=B8'). It's
like in Russian =
we call roller coasters "American mountains" (despite
the =
fact they descended from the "Russian Mountains,", see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_roller_coa=
ster)
Lot of =
other examples exist. ;)  

>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Suresh =
Krishnan
>> <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> =
wrote:
>>>
>>> +1. Knowing how hard it is to =
organize a social, hats off to the host
>>> team for a great =
one.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> =
Suresh
>>>
>>> -----Original =
Message-----
>>> From: Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>>> Received: =
Wednesday, 22 Jul 2015, 11:57AM
>>> To: 93attendees@ietf.org [93attendees@ietf.org]
>>> CC: =
Sandra Murphy [sandy@tislabs.com]
>>> Subject: =
Re: [93attendees] Social Event =
Appreciation
>>>
>>> I don't often chime in, but =
this social was incredibly awesome.
>>>
>>> =
There were lots of places to gather comfortably and talk - broken =
into
>>> different areas, good seating arrangements, and =
such.
>>> There was lovely music and the noise level was =
conducive to conversation
>>> (and areas without music for =
really intense conversations).
>>>
>>> And added =
benefits:
>>>
>>> The venue was beautiful. =
(wow)
>>> The food was awesome - delicious, cuisine local to =
the venue, and
>>> plentiful right up until the time to go =
home.
>>> There were interesting activities to engage =
in.
>>> And as extra credit - =
fireworks!
>>>
>>> =
Amazing.
>>>
>>> Thanks to our =
hosts.
>>>
>>>
>>> =
--Sandy
>>>
>>>
>
> =
_______________________________________________
> 93attendees =
mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org
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--
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Furry

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I believe I may have left my US-to-Euro plug adapter in a power strip in Co=
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> Ok for Internet Drafts, and slide presentation - it's Documentation.
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> But can I write 192.168.1.1 and 1::1 in an email list discussion?

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Has the Q&A been recorded?



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Lost US-to-Euro plug adapter in Congress Hall I or II. Please unicast me if=
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Jeff Haas writes:
> While I love fireworks, please announce that they're going to
> happen.  [...]  I saw at least three individuals make rapid exits
> from the venue when the fireworks started.

Conversely, if I'd known they were coming, I would probably have
toughed out the pain a little longer to see them.  I imagine they
started not very long after I left.  Granted, I do appreciate that
sometimes keeping something a surprise is warranted, just putting it
out there as something to balance against.

Keith DRAGE writes:
> [Dvorak] was a Czech composer, known for taken folk melodies and styles into
> his music, who during the 3 years he was in the United States, created a
> symphony incorporating Native American and African American styles.

This remark by Dvorak from the Symphony No 9 wikipedia page was
highly prescient:

  I am convinced that the future music of [the United States] must be
  founded on what are called Negro melodies. These can be the
  foundation of a serious and original school of composition, to be
  developed in the United States. These beautiful and varied themes
  are the product of the soil. They are the folk songs of America and
  your composers must turn to them.


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I hesitate to admit this in public (as Randy commented there are cheaper =
ways to go): I was persuaded by hotel staff to book a hotel taxi to =
airport, leaving 11:30AM tomorrow right after IESG plenary. So if anyone =
else also leaves around the same time, how about taking a free ride with =
me (and make me feel less guilty).  Please contact me off list.

Lixia (sorry for the spam; the departure coordination page only shows a =
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Hi!

We're organizing a quick side meeting for a technical overview of the BABEL
routing protocol
(RFC 6126 and 7557) to explore interest in standardization.

  When: Th @ 2030
  Where: Tyrolka (M Level)

  Topic: Overview of the BABEL Routing Protocol
  Presenter:  Juliusz Chroboczek

Joel Halpern has agreed to keep this session organized.

Regards,
Juliusz, Alia, & Alvaro

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=C2=A0 Presenter: =C2=A0Juliusz Chroboczek=


Joel Halpern has agreed to keep this session orga=
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Regards,
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I find myself in sudden urgent need of a notary.  Does anyone know if the
Hilton has one, or if there's one nearby?

-MSK

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I find myself in sudden urgent need of a notary.=C2=
=A0 Does anyone know if the Hilton has one, or if there's one nearby?
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Try one of the international banks (preferably one of your own like Citiban=
k or Chase) if the Hilton does not have one.  Most foreign companies will l=
ikely have to have official docs authorized and the banks used to be the wa=
y to do that.

From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Murray S. Kucherawy" >
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:33 AM
To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.o=
rg>
Subject: [93attendees] Notary

I find myself in sudden urgent need of a notary.  Does anyone know if the H=
ilton has one, or if there's one nearby?

-MSK

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Right. The processes for motorizations are always specific to the country y=
ou're in. Most are very different from the U.S. notary public system. Fortu=
nately the U.S. legal system seems to accept these various processes withou=
t any problem. In my experience.
Barbara


On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Michal Krsek > wrote:

 "Czechpoints" do these services (hopefully you need a authorized copy of a=
 document or get your signature authorized. If you need something else, con=
tact me off list so I can find someone who does service you need.

There is a map of Czechpoints available at http://www.czechpoint.cz/wwwstat=
s/f?p=3D100:16:0

M



On 23. 7. 2015, at 7:33, Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote:

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try you're in. Most are very different from the U.S. notary public system. =
Fortunately the U.S. legal system seems to accept these various processes w=
ithout any problem. In my experience. 


Barbara








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Hi,

I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II r=
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 even reasonably rewarded.

--
"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
Telefonica I+D
http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/

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I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall=
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"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

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http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
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Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if so, I handed it
into the secretariat last night....

W

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> Hi,
>
> I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
> room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, =
and
> even reasonably rewarded.
>
> --
> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>
> Dr Diego R. Lopez
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>
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idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
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It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...

On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari > wrote:

Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if so, I handed it
into the secretariat last night....

W

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room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, an=
d
even reasonably rewarded.

--
"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
Telefonica I+D
http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/

e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com
Tel:    +34 913 129 041
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idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
  ---maf

--
"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

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It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...






On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:




Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? i=
f so, I handed it

into the secretariat last night....



W



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:19 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA

<diego.r.lopez@telefonic=
a.com> wrote:


Hi,



I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, an=
d

even reasonably rewarded.



--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
pez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

----------------------------------





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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad

idea in the first place.

This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing

regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair

of pants.

  ---maf











--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
pez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

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Due to the perceive 'danger' of NFV, it was taken outside by the hotel secur=
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:49 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA  wrote:
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> It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...
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>> On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari  wrote:
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>> Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if so, I handed it
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:19 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall I=
I
>>> room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated,=
 and
>>> even reasonably rewarded.
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
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>>> Telefonica I+D
>>> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/
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>> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
>> of pants.
>>   ---maf
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led explosion :-;

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On Jul 23, 2015, at=
 12:49 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:






It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...






On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:




Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if=
 so, I handed it

into the secretariat last night....



W



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:19 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA

<diego.r.lopez@telefonica=
.com> wrote:


Hi,



I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, and=


even reasonably rewarded.



--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lop=
ez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefo=
nica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

----------------------------------





________________________________



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idea in the first place.

This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing

regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair

of pants.

  ---maf











--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lop=
ez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefo=
nica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

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FYI, this session will be live streamed out if you have anyone remote you t=
hink might be interested.  You can get to the live video stream links at:

http://www.ietf.org/live/

It will be streamed on both the IETF's YouTube channel and also ISOC's Live=
stream channel.  Direct links are on that page.

It will be recorded for later viewing on both of those channels.

Enjoy,
Dan

On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Alexa Morris > wrote:

At lunch today, David Meyer, CTO and Chief Scientist at Brocade Communicati=
ons, will be speaking on Recent Advances in Machine Learning and Their Appl=
ication to Networking.

Logistics:
=95 Room: Grand Hilton Ballroom
=95 Today, Thursday, 23 July 2015
=95 Time: 12:00 =96 12:45
=95 Lunch will NOT be provided but sandwiches will be available for purchas=
e the Grand Ballroom Foyer starting at 11:30 AM today. Payment options: cre=
dit card, cash, post to room if staying at Hilton Prague.

Abstract:
The recent progress of Machine Learning and Deep Learning in particular has=
 been nothing short of spectacular. Machine learning applications now span =
wide variety of application spaces including perceptural tasks such as imag=
e search, object and  scene recognition and captioning, voice and natural l=
anguage recognition and generation, self-driving cars and automated assista=
nts such as Siri, as well as various engineering, financial, medical and sc=
ientific applications.

More generally, cutting-edge startups, established technology companies and=
 Universities are increasingly finding new, novel, and exciting ways to app=
ly powerful machine learning tools such as neural networks to new and exist=
ing problems in many different industries.

The network domain, however, has been virtually untouched by all of this ac=
tivity. This talk will outline recent advanced in Machine Learning with an =
eye towards network applications. In addition, we outlines a few "Machine L=
earning for DevOps" applications which are focused on next generation netwo=
rk automation.

About David Meyer:
David Meyer is currently CTO and Chief Scientist at Brocade Communications,=
 where he works on future directions for Internet technologies. His current=
 focus is the use machine learning (and in particular deep learning) for ne=
tworking applications and Named Data Networking, among others. Prior to joi=
ning Brocade, he was a Distinguished Engineer at Cisco Systems, where he al=
so worked as a developer, architect, and visionary on future directions for=
 Internet technologies. Most recently he served as the chair of the Technic=
al Steering Committee of the OpenDaylight Project (he is currently the Chai=
r of the OpenDaylight Board of Directors). He has been a member of the Inte=
rnet Architecture Board (IAB) of the the IETF (www.ietf.org) and the chair/co-chair of many working groups. He is also active in =
the operator community, where he has been a long standing member of the NAN=
OG (www.nanog.org), RIPE, and APRICOT program committ=
ees (and served as NANOG program committee chair from 2008-2011). Mr. Meyer=
 is also a frequent speaker at major industry and academic conferences.

Mr. Meyer is also currently Director of the Advanced Network Technology Cen=
ter at the University of Oregon where he is also a Senior Research Scientis=
t in the department of Computer Science.. One of his major projects at the =
University of Oregon is routeviews (see www.routeviews.org).

Prior to joining Cisco, he served as Senior Scientist, Chief Technologist a=
nd Director of IP Technology Development at Sprint.

See http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/vita.html for more information.



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FYI, this session will be live streamed out if you have anyone remote you t=
hink might be interested.  You can get to the live video stream links =
at:






http://www=
.ietf.org/live/







It will be streamed on both the IETF's YouTube channel and =
also ISOC's Livestream channel.  Direct links are on that page.







It will be recorded for later viewing on both of those chan=
nels.







Enjoy,


Dan









On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> wrote:




At lunch today, David Meyer, CTO and Chief Scientist at Bro=
cade Communications, will be speaking on Recent Advances in Machine Learnin=
g and Their Application to Networking.



Logistics:

=95 Room: G=
rand Hilton Ballroom

=95 Today, =
Thursday, 23 July 2015

=95 Time: 1=
2:00 =96 12:45

=95 Lunch w=
ill NOT be provided but sandwiches will be available for purchase the Grand=
 Ballroom Foyer starting at 11:30 AM today. Payment options: credit card, c=
ash, post to room if staying at Hilton
 Prague.



Abstract:

The recent progress of Machine Learning and Deep Learning in particular has=
 been nothing short of spectacular. Machine learning applications now span =
wide variety of application spaces including perceptural tasks such as imag=
e search, object and  scene recognition
 and captioning, voice and natural language recognition and generation, sel=
f-driving cars and automated assistants such as Siri, as well as various en=
gineering, financial, medical and scientific applications.



More generally, cutting-edge startups, established technology companies and=
 Universities are increasingly finding new, novel, and exciting ways to app=
ly powerful machine learning tools such as neural networks to new and exist=
ing problems in many different industries.



The network domain, however, has been virtually untouched by all of this ac=
tivity. This talk will outline recent advanced in Machine Learning with an =
eye towards network applications. In addition, we outlines a few "Mach=
ine Learning for DevOps" applications
 which are focused on next generation network automation.



About David Meyer:

David Meyer is currently CTO and Chief Scientist at Brocade Communications,=
 where he works on future directions for Internet technologies. His current=
 focus is the use machine learning (and in particular deep learning) for ne=
tworking applications and Named
 Data Networking, among others. Prior to joining Brocade, he was a Distingu=
ished Engineer at Cisco Systems, where he also worked as a developer, archi=
tect, and visionary on future directions for Internet technologies. Most re=
cently he served as the chair of
 the Technical Steering Committee of the OpenDaylight Project (he is curren=
tly the Chair of the OpenDaylight Board of Directors). He has been a member=
 of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) of the the IETF (www.ietf.org)
 and the chair/co-chair of many working groups. He is also active in the op=
erator community, where he has been a long standing member of the NANOG (www.nanog.org), RIPE, and APR=
ICOT program committees (and served
 as NANOG program committee chair from 2008-2011). Mr. Meyer is also a freq=
uent speaker at major industry and academic conferences.



Mr. Meyer is also currently Director of the Advanced Network Technology Cen=
ter at the University of Oregon where he is also a Senior Research Scientis=
t in the department of Computer Science.. One of his major projects at the =
University of Oregon is routeviews
 (see www.routeviews.org).



Prior to joining Cisco, he served as Senior Scientist, Chief Technologist a=
nd Director of IP Technology Development at Sprint.



See http://www.1=
-4-5.net/~dmm/vita.html for more information.







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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93all

















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If you have time tonight or stay for a few more days in Prague, and are int=
erested in Czech food, I would recommend an excellent restaurant my wife an=
d me enjoyed last night. It's called 'U Kroka' and is located at 12, Vratis=
lavova str. You can reach it with tram #3 from the Hilton, get out of the t=
ram at the second station after the tram line reaches the shore of the Vlta=
va, cross under the train bridge and you are on Vratislavova street, a few =
houses from the restaurant. According to TripAdvisor 'U Kroka' is the best =
or the second best restaurant specialized in Czech food out of the more tha=
n 4600 restaurants reviewed. Delicious and inexpensive. We enjoyed especial=
ly the cabbage soup, leg of rabbit in wine sauce, the goulash and last but =
not least the sweet gnocchi in butter. Try also the two-colored beer. Two c=
ourses dinner for two, beers and a shared desert cost us 608 Czech krons.

Regards,

Dan


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If you have time tonight or stay for a few more days=
 in Prague, and are interested in Czech food, I would recommend an excellen=
t restaurant my wife and me enjoyed last night. It’s called ‘U =
Kroka’ and is located at 12, Vratislavova str.
 You can reach it with tram #3 from the Hilton, get out of the tram at the =
second station after the tram line reaches the shore of the Vltava, cross u=
nder the train bridge and you are on Vratislavova street, a few houses from=
 the restaurant. According to TripAdvisor
 'U Kroka' is the best or the second best restaurant specialized in Czech f=
ood out of the more than 4600 restaurants reviewed. Delicious and inexpensi=
ve. We enjoyed especially the cabbage soup, leg of rabbit in wine sauce, th=
e goulash and last but not least
 the sweet gnocchi in butter. Try also the two-colored beer. Two courses di=
nner for two, beers and a shared desert cost us 608 Czech krons.



 


Regards,


 


Dan


 






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Just a note on U Kroka: we went there yesterday night and were turned away =
by the waiter because we were too large a group (8). He didn't even offer t=
he option to wait for tables to become available.
So, if you intend to go as a group, definitely call ahead of time to make s=
ure they'll accommodate you.

Dominique


De : 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Romasc=
anu, Dan (Dan)
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 juillet 2015 10:32
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Objet : [93attendees] excellent Czech restaurant

If you have time tonight or stay for a few more days in Prague, and are int=
erested in Czech food, I would recommend an excellent restaurant my wife an=
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ourses dinner for two, beers and a shared desert cost us 608 Czech krons.

Regards,

Dan


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If you have time tonight or sta=
y for a few more days in Prague, and are interested in Czech food, I would =
recommend an excellent restaurant my wife and me enjoyed last night. ItR=
17;s called ‘U Kroka’ and is located at 12,
 Vratislavova str. You can reach it with tram #3 from the Hilton, get out o=
f the tram at the second station after the tram line reaches the shore of t=
he Vltava, cross under the train bridge and you are on Vratislavova street,=
 a few houses from the restaurant.
 According to TripAdvisor 'U Kroka' is the best or the second best restaura=
nt specialized in Czech food out of the more than 4600 restaurants reviewed=
. Delicious and inexpensive. We enjoyed especially the cabbage soup, leg of=
 rabbit in wine sauce, the goulash
 and last but not least the sweet gnocchi in butter. Try also the two-color=
ed beer. Two courses dinner for two, beers and a shared desert cost us 608 =
Czech krons.



 


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I feel like the Toxic Avenger indeed...

On 23 Jul 2015, at 10:07 , Alistair Woodman > wrote:

Due to the perceive 'danger' of NFV, it was taken outside by the hotel secu=
rity and was 'dis-armed' with a controlled explosion :-;

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On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:49 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA > wrote:

It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...

On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari > wrote:

Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if so, I handed it
into the secretariat last night....

W

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I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, an=
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even reasonably rewarded.

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I feel like the Toxic Avenger indeed...









On 23 Jul 2015, at 10:07 , Alistair Woodman <awoodman@netdef.org> wrote:








Due to the perceive 'danger' of NFV, it was taken outside by the hotel=
 security and was 'dis-armed' with a controlled explosion :-;



Sent from my iPad




On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:49 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:






It was! Thanks, Warren. I'll ask for it...






On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:




Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? i=
f so, I handed it

into the secretariat last night....



W



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:19 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA

<diego.r.lopez@telefonic=
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Hi,



I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, an=
d

even reasonably rewarded.



--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
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regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair

of pants.

  ---maf











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http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
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And the hoodie has come back to its legitimate owner... Thanks again!

On 23 Jul 2015, at 09:45 , Warren Kumari > wrote:

Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? if so, I handed it
into the secretariat last night....

W

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And the hoodie has come back to its legitimate owner... Thanks again!






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Was it grey and have something about NVF on it? i=
f so, I handed it

into the secretariat last night....



W



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<diego.r.lopez@telefonic=
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Hi,



I am afraid I forgot a hoodie at the stage chairs of the Congress Hall II
room yesterday afternoon. Any news about it will be greatly appreciated, an=
d

even reasonably rewarded.



--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lo=
pez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

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Dear all,

I'm wondering where are the slides that were presenting now by david meyer
on machines learning in ball room ??

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Dear all,

I'm wondering where are the slides that were presenting now by david meyer on machines learning in ball room ??

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http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/talks/2015/thursday_lunch_ietf93.pptx

On 7/23/15 6:28 AM, ibn khedher hatem wrote:
> I'm wondering where are the slides that were presenting now by david
> meyer on machines learning in ball room ??


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I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed that
our IP addresses are still in Dallas?

A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
suddenly teleporting.

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Hi all,
sorry for the bulk message...
I wonder if there is any attendee from ACONET?
I need to find someone there because of measuring experiment...
Thanks,
Tomas Cejka


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Hi,

Lost black US-to-Euro plug adapter in Congress Hall III yesterday. Please u=
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Lost black US-to-Euro plug adapter in Congress Hall III
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Thanks,





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Nacho,
    We use the same IPv4 and IPv6 address space for every meeting. Unfortuna=
tely, many geolocation tools lag in their updates and tend to point at last m=
eeting's location (or even further back). We've attempted to address this in=
 a number of ways including notifying geolocation and content providers and b=
ringing up the advertisements for the net early, but with limited success. W=
e continue to try to improve things, but as this is a largely unstandardized=
 process, it's a bit of 'whack a mole'.=20

-Jim

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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Ignacio Solis  wrote:
>=20
> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed that=
 our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
>=20
> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and sud=
denly teleporting.
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> Nacho
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I started seeing czech google ads yesterday.

    Tony

On 7/23/15 7:16 AM, Ignacio Solis wrote:
> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed
> that our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
>
> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
> suddenly teleporting.


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Actually I realise that it was left in Congress I after MMUSIC (last sessio=
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Let me know if you found a Black US flat 2 pin to Euro round 2 pin adaptor =
in Congress I yesterday at end of day or this morning.

Andrew

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Hi,

Lost black US-to-Euro plug adapter in Congress Hall III yesterday. Please u=
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Thanks,
Andrew

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W dniu 2015-07-23 o 13:33, Tony Hansen pisze:
> I started seeing czech google ads yesterday.

Google.com forwards me to google.cz and proposes switching to čeština 
since Tuesday (AFAIR). But I've turned off all those network-based 
Google geolocation stuff shortly after I got my phone and I allow it to 
locate itself only using GPS only.

Best,
Piotr 'GhosT' Wydrych
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?


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Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.

The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around =
between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP =
not generally working after working in a different location.

Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.

-- Jeff


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Yes, don't worry - many tools will figure out that we're in Prague this
week in time for our next meeting in Yokohama. :)
-B


On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Jim Martin  wrote:

> Nacho,
>     We use the same IPv4 and IPv6 address space for every meeting.
> Unfortunately, many geolocation tools lag in their updates and tend to
> point at last meeting's location (or even further back). We've attempted to
> address this in a number of ways including notifying geolocation and
> content providers and bringing up the advertisements for the net early, but
> with limited success. We continue to try to improve things, but as this is
> a largely unstandardized process, it's a bit of 'whack a mole'.
>
> -Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Ignacio Solis  wrote:
>
> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed that
> our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
>
> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
> suddenly teleporting.
>
> Nacho
>
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Yes, don't worry - many tools will figure out that we&=
#39;re in Prague this week in time for our next meeting in Yokohama. :)-B


On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Jim Martin =
<jrmii@isc.org>=
; wrote:
Na=
cho,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We use the same IPv4 and IPv6 address space fo=
r every meeting. Unfortunately, many geolocation tools lag in their updates=
 and tend to point at last meeting's location (or even further back). W=
e've attempted to address this in a number of ways including notifying =
geolocation and content providers and bringing up the advertisements for th=
e net early, but with limited success. We continue to try to improve things=
, but as this is a largely unstandardized process, it's a bit of 'w=
hack a mole'.=C2=A0

-Jim

Sent from my i=
Phone

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Ign=
acio Solis <isolis@=
igso.net> wrote:

I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody=
 else noticed that our IP addresses are still in Dallas?

A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building a=
nd suddenly teleporting.

Nacho

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I still have to see ietf-hotel SSID working at all. Then I can comment abou=
t moving. It never worked in my hotel room. I opened a ticket (#934) on Sun=
day and after two days, several mails exchanged and a conversation with the=
 folks at the NOC, I was told the problem has no solution, and I should try=
 using the wired connection in the room.=20

Regards,

Dan


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> Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>=20
> The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
> between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP no=
t
> generally working after working in a different location.
>=20
> Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>=20
> -- Jeff


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+1. hhonors/ietf-hotel in the room has been a mess since last Thursday. =
I found that rebooting my Mac (!) got the ietf-hotel SSID to work on the =
8th floor in the conference rooms - but no dice when I returned to my =
room.

/S

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)  =
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>> Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>=20
>> The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>> between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was =
IP not
>> generally working after working in a different location.
>>=20
>> Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>>=20
>> -- Jeff
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I've been seeing the same behavior as Jeff and Dan.

Regards, Benoit
> I still have to see ietf-hotel SSID working at all. Then I can comment about moving. It never worked in my hotel room. I opened a ticket (#934) on Sunday and after two days, several mails exchanged and a conversation with the folks at the NOC, I was told the problem has no solution, and I should try using the wired connection in the room.
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>> Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>
>> The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>> between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP not
>> generally working after working in a different location.
>>
>> Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>>
>> -- Jeff
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I've had much better luck with my Apple Airport plugged into the wired
connection in my room than trying to use ietf-hotel.

    Tony

On 7/23/15 8:01 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
> I still have to see ietf-hotel SSID working at all. Then I can comment about moving. It never worked in my hotel room. I opened a ticket (#934) on Sunday and after two days, several mails exchanged and a conversation with the folks at the NOC, I was told the problem has no solution, and I should try using the wired connection in the room.
>
>> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haas
>>
>> Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>
>> The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>> between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP not
>> generally working after working in a different location.
>>
>> Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.


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Gentlepeople,
	First of all, I apologize for the delay in getting everyone an =
update on this. We know the guestroom Internet here in the Hilton has =
been problematic at best, and we have been working to try to improve it =
for the last week. As you probably know, the IETF network provides the =
IP layer and above for the guestrooms and public space, but the physical =
layer, both for the wired and wireless uses the existing hotel =
infrastructure. In the case here in Prague, we=E2=80=99ve been working =
closely with the hotel=E2=80=99s vendor, Mikenopa to deliver this =
service. They=E2=80=99ve been very willing and happy to work with us on =
this.

	For the wireless, we=E2=80=99ve lit up the =E2=80=9Cietf-hotel=E2=80=
=9D ssid on the existing APs, both in the public space and guestrooms. =
These are the same APs that provide the =E2=80=9Chhonors=E2=80=9D SSID. =
While the APs seem to have been originally deployed reasonably, there =
has been hotel building changes (mostly regarding new sprinkler systems) =
which has had them moved around in the hallways to very suboptimal =
locations. This has led to many areas having low to no signal. =
Additionally, their 2.4G channel assignment and power levels weren=E2=80=99=
t optimal. Mikenopa has been trying to move APs and reconfigure the =
channels.

	Additionally, due to our desire to use public IPv4 space, =
we=E2=80=99ve seen very high broadcast loads. This is based in the fact =
that we=E2=80=99ve got a large block that is sparsely used, and thus =
when we get scanned (as happens constantly from the greater Internet) we =
get a large amount of ARP traffic which can overload the wireless =
system. We=E2=80=99ve been working on various techniques to reduce this =
load.

	On the wired front, we=E2=80=99ve had reasonably good luck =
(other than about 45 minutes of downtime last night with a self =
inflicted wound while trying to reduce the ARP load). Please do use the =
wired connection in each guestroom if at all possible. If you need a =
cable, it=E2=80=99s usually in a cloth bag with a =E2=80=9C@=E2=80=9C =
symbol on it in the desk. If you don=E2=80=99t have one, please feel =
free to come to the NOC.

	Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well =
in the restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) =
in the guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired =
connection in your room is probably your best bet.

	- Jim

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> 	Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the=
 restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) in the=
 guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired connection =
in your room is probably your best bet.

Some of us bring our own APs to connect to the wire for this sort of situ=
ation. (I bought a box which turned out to be a wireless extender *sigh*,=
 for which OpenWRT came in handy).

Are there any recommendations that you could share with respect to naming=
 of those networks (so that neighboring rooms can share that AP) and e.g.=
 channel choice? I mean would naming such network IETF-hotel and keeping =
it open interfere with anything you try to do?

I would assume:
* Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless experience,
* Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other signal=
=2E

More?

=E2=80=94Olaf




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Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably wel=
l in the restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving=
) in the guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired con=
nection in your room is probably your best bet.






Some of us bring our own APs to connect to the wire for t=
his sort of situation. (I bought a box which turned out to be a wireless =
extender sigh, for which OpenWRT came in handy).



Are there any recommendations that you could share with r=
espect to naming of those networks (so that neighboring rooms can share t=
hat AP) and e.g. channel choice? I mean would naming such network IETF-ho=
tel and keeping it open interfere with anything you try to do?



I would assume:

* Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless experience,<=
br>
* Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other signal=
=2E



More?



=E2=80=94Olaf










Olaf M. Kolkman

Chief Internet Technology Officer

Internet Society



e-mail: kolkman@isoc.org


LinkedIn:OlafKolkman
Twitter: @Kolkman










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Actual coordination, if practically achievable, seems like a great idea, =
but I'm skeptical. Short of that, if your AP allows you to set Tx power =
level, it would seem friendly to set it as low as possible to avoid =
degrading the noise floor any more than absolutely necessary.

--John

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Olaf Kolkman  wrote:
>=20
> Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the =
restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) in the =
guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired connection =
in your room is probably your best bet.
> Some of us bring our own APs to connect to the wire for this sort of =
situation. (I bought a box which turned out to be a wireless extender =
sigh, for which OpenWRT came in handy).
>=20
> Are there any recommendations that you could share with respect to =
naming of those networks (so that neighboring rooms can share that AP) =
and e.g. channel choice? I mean would naming such network IETF-hotel and =
keeping it open interfere with anything you try to do?
>=20
> I would assume:
> * Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless =
experience,
> * Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other =
signal.
>=20
> More?
>=20
> =E2=80=94Olaf
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> Olaf M. Kolkman
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Actual coordination, if practically achievable, seems like a =
great idea, but I'm skeptical. Short of that, if your AP allows you to =
set Tx power level, it would seem friendly to set it as low as possible =
to avoid degrading the noise floor any more than absolutely =
necessary.

--John

On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:14 PM, =
Olaf Kolkman <kolkman@isoc.org> wrote:





Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the =
ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the restaurant, lobby and hallways, =
but poorly (but slowly improving) in the guestrooms. We continue to work =
on this, but using the wired connection in your room is probably your =
best bet.



Some of us bring our own APs to =
connect to the wire for this sort of situation. (I bought a box which =
turned out to be a wireless extender sigh, for which =
OpenWRT came in handy).
Are there any =
recommendations that you could share with respect to naming of those =
networks (so that neighboring rooms can share that AP) and e.g. channel =
choice? I mean would naming such network IETF-hotel and keeping it open =
interfere with anything you try to do?
I =
would assume:

* Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless =
experience,

* Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other =
signal.
More?
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The problem is that the wired connection does not work in my room and the re=
sponse I got after talking with the hotel vendor was use the wireless one wh=
ich of course does not work.=20
This is the worst network experience I had at an ietf meeting hotel
Roni

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 =D7=91=D7=99=D7=95=D7=9C=D7=99 2015, at 15:03, Jim Martin  wrote:
>=20
> Gentlepeople,
>    First of all, I apologize for the delay in getting everyone an update o=
n this. We know the guestroom Internet here in the Hilton has been problemat=
ic at best, and we have been working to try to improve it for the last week.=
 As you probably know, the IETF network provides the IP layer and above for t=
he guestrooms and public space, but the physical layer, both for the wired a=
nd wireless uses the existing hotel infrastructure. In the case here in Prag=
ue, we=E2=80=99ve been working closely with the hotel=E2=80=99s vendor, Mike=
nopa to deliver this service. They=E2=80=99ve been very willing and happy to=
 work with us on this.
>=20
>    For the wireless, we=E2=80=99ve lit up the =E2=80=9Cietf-hotel=E2=80=9D=
 ssid on the existing APs, both in the public space and guestrooms. These ar=
e the same APs that provide the =E2=80=9Chhonors=E2=80=9D SSID. While the AP=
s seem to have been originally deployed reasonably, there has been hotel bui=
lding changes (mostly regarding new sprinkler systems) which has had them mo=
ved around in the hallways to very suboptimal locations. This has led to man=
y areas having low to no signal. Additionally, their 2.4G channel assignment=
 and power levels weren=E2=80=99t optimal. Mikenopa has been trying to move A=
Ps and reconfigure the channels.
>=20
>    Additionally, due to our desire to use public IPv4 space, we=E2=80=99ve=
 seen very high broadcast loads. This is based in the fact that we=E2=80=99v=
e got a large block that is sparsely used, and thus when we get scanned (as h=
appens constantly from the greater Internet) we get a large amount of ARP tr=
affic which can overload the wireless system. We=E2=80=99ve been working on v=
arious techniques to reduce this load.
>=20
>    On the wired front, we=E2=80=99ve had reasonably good luck (other than a=
bout 45 minutes of downtime last night with a self inflicted wound while try=
ing to reduce the ARP load). Please do use the wired connection in each gues=
troom if at all possible. If you need a cable, it=E2=80=99s usually in a clo=
th bag with a =E2=80=9C@=E2=80=9C symbol on it in the desk. If you don=E2=80=
=99t have one, please feel free to come to the NOC.
>=20
>    Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the r=
estaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) in the gues=
trooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired connection in your r=
oom is probably your best bet.
>=20
>    - Jim
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Hi,

  if you are looking for some extra fun in a smaller group (2-5 people), 
I suggest http://www.mindmaze.cz/en/home-en. Basic idea: The group is 
locked in a room and need to solve some nice puzzles to get out in less 
than one hour. Also kids will enjoy the game (adult supervision is 
required below the age 15). We tried the Enigma room, which was really 
good.

  The venue is easily reachable from the Hilton (~20 minutes door to 
door using the metro).

  ... another good reason to organize IETF in Prague ;).


Cheers
  matthias


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A Vodafone LTE SIM (~USD 32 for 10 GB) makes a pretty good alternative in
your situation, assuming you have an unlocked phone that can serve as a
hotspot.

			-Peter

On 7/23/15, 6:56 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Roni Even"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of even.roni@gmail.com> wrote:

>The problem is that the wired connection does not work in my room and the
>response I got after talking with the hotel vendor was use the wireless
>one which of course does not work.
>This is the worst network experience I had at an ietf meeting hotel
>Roni
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 23 =D7=91=D7=99=D7=95=D7=9C=D7=99 2015, at 15:03, Jim Martin  wrote:
>>=20
>> Gentlepeople,
>>    First of all, I apologize for the delay in getting everyone an
>>update on this. We know the guestroom Internet here in the Hilton has
>>been problematic at best, and we have been working to try to improve it
>>for the last week. As you probably know, the IETF network provides the
>>IP layer and above for the guestrooms and public space, but the physical
>>layer, both for the wired and wireless uses the existing hotel
>>infrastructure. In the case here in Prague, we=E2=80=99ve been working closely
>>with the hotel=E2=80=99s vendor, Mikenopa to deliver this service. They=E2=80=99ve be=
en
>>very willing and happy to work with us on this.
>>=20
>>    For the wireless, we=E2=80=99ve lit up the =E2=80=9Cietf-hotel=E2=80=9D ssid on the exi=
sting
>>APs, both in the public space and guestrooms. These are the same APs
>>that provide the =E2=80=9Chhonors=E2=80=9D SSID. While the APs seem to have been
>>originally deployed reasonably, there has been hotel building changes
>>(mostly regarding new sprinkler systems) which has had them moved around
>>in the hallways to very suboptimal locations. This has led to many areas
>>having low to no signal. Additionally, their 2.4G channel assignment and
>>power levels weren=E2=80=99t optimal. Mikenopa has been trying to move APs and
>>reconfigure the channels.
>>=20
>>    Additionally, due to our desire to use public IPv4 space, we=E2=80=99ve see=
n
>>very high broadcast loads. This is based in the fact that we=E2=80=99ve got a
>>large block that is sparsely used, and thus when we get scanned (as
>>happens constantly from the greater Internet) we get a large amount of
>>ARP traffic which can overload the wireless system. We=E2=80=99ve been working
>>on various techniques to reduce this load.
>>=20
>>    On the wired front, we=E2=80=99ve had reasonably good luck (other than abou=
t
>>45 minutes of downtime last night with a self inflicted wound while
>>trying to reduce the ARP load). Please do use the wired connection in
>>each guestroom if at all possible. If you need a cable, it=E2=80=99s usually in
>>a cloth bag with a =E2=80=9C@=E2=80=9C symbol on it in the desk. If you don=E2=80=99t have =
one,
>>please feel free to come to the NOC.
>>=20
>>    Overall, we=E2=80=99ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the
>>restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) in the
>>guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired connection
>>in your room is probably your best bet.
>>=20
>>    - Jim
>> _______________________________________________
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Jim Martin  wrote:
    > For the wireless, we=E2=80=99ve lit up the =E2=80=9Cietf-hotel=E2=80=
=9D ssid on the existing
    > APs, both in the public space and guestrooms. These are the same APs
    > that provide the =E2=80=9Chhonors=E2=80=9D SSID. While the APs seem t=
o have been
    > originally deployed reasonably, there has been hotel building changes
    > (mostly regarding new sprinkler systems) which has had them moved
    > around in the hallways to very suboptimal locations. This has led to
    > many areas having low to no signal. Additionally, their 2.4G channel
    > assignment and power levels weren=E2=80=99t optimal. Mikenopa has bee=
n trying
    > to move APs and reconfigure the channels.

So, a repeat of the Paris IETF effort... :-)

    > Additionally, due to our desire to use public IPv4 space, we=E2=80=99=
ve seen
    > very high broadcast loads. This is based in the fact that we=E2=80=99=
ve got a
    > large block that is sparsely used, and thus when we get scanned (as
    > happens constantly from the greater Internet) we get a large amount of
    > ARP traffic which can overload the wireless system. We=E2=80=99ve bee=
n working
    > on various techniques to reduce this load.

This seems like a recurring problem, obscured only because of the
one-way-ness of NAT44; that it will get worse as we move to IPv6 everywhere
(with s/ARP/ND/).  I wonder if we need new advice to routers.

=2D-
Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works
 -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-




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On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Keith Moore  =
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remotely.   I am finding the Meetecho facility extremely useful and very =
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On 7/23/15 3:32 PM, John G. Scudder wrote:
> Actual coordination, if practically achievable, seems like a great
> idea, but I'm skeptical. Short of that, if your AP allows you to
> set Tx power level, it would seem friendly to set it as low as
> possible to avoid degrading the noise floor any more than
> absolutely necessary.

If your personal ap does 5Ghz (airport express for example) that would
make it less of an attractive nuisance.

In fact mimicking the hotel APs probably increases the complexity of
reasoning about the hotel network so that's maybe not the best approach.

> --John
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Olaf Kolkman > > wrote:
>> 
>> |Overall, weve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the 
>> restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly
>> improving) in the guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but
>> using the wired connection in your room is probably your best
>> bet. |
>> 
>> Some of us bring our own APs to connect to the wire for this sort
>> of situation. (I bought a box which turned out to be a wireless
>> extender /sigh/, for which OpenWRT came in handy).
>> 
>> Are there any recommendations that you could share with respect
>> to naming of those networks (so that neighboring rooms can share
>> that AP) and e.g. channel choice? I mean would naming such
>> network IETF-hotel and keeping it open interfere with anything
>> you try to do?
>> 
>> I would assume: * Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors
>> a seamless experience, * Use a scanning app to select a channel
>> with relatively low other signal.
>> 
>> More?
>> 
>> Olaf
>> 
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On Jul 23, 2015, at 4:26 PM, joel jaeggli  wrote:
>=20
> If your personal ap does 5Ghz (airport express for example) that would
> make it less of an attractive nuisance.
>=20
> In fact mimicking the hotel APs probably increases the complexity of
> reasoning about the hotel network so that's maybe not the best =
approach.

Given the popularity of personal APs and the fact it will probably =
continue or increase, it might not be a bad idea for the NOC team to =
publish a list of recommended practices for minimally-antisocial use of =
personal APs in advance of the meeting.

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On 7/23/15 4:29 PM, John G. Scudder wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 4:26 PM, joel jaeggli 
> wrote:
>> 
>> If your personal ap does 5Ghz (airport express for example) that
>> would make it less of an attractive nuisance.
>> 
>> In fact mimicking the hotel APs probably increases the complexity
>> of reasoning about the hotel network so that's maybe not the best
>> approach.
> 
> Given the popularity of personal APs and the fact it will probably
> continue or increase, it might not be a bad idea for the NOC team
> to publish a list of recommended practices for minimally-antisocial
> use of personal APs in advance of the meeting.

yup, I think this is in the cards.

thanks
joel

> --John
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> I would assume:
> * Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless experience,

That would probably lead to several forms of pain, especially since 
we're likely using the boxes in NAT/router mode rather than AP mode.

If you really want to select a special SSID just for one meeting, I 
suggest using your room number.  For open networks, that gives others 
another piece of data to use when trying to select a good/nearby AP.

> * Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other signal.

Don't most consumer grade boxes do a decent job of that already, when 
set to auto-select a channel?

-- Sam


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Dne 23.7.2015 v 13:27 Jim Martin napsal(a):
> We've attempted to address this in a number of ways including notifying=

> geolocation and content providers and bringing up the advertisements fo=
r
> the net early, but with limited success. We continue to try to improve
> things, but as this is a largely unstandardized process, it's a bit of
> 'whack a mole'.=20

=46rom my observation, the most important source of localisation, at leas=
t
for the Android devices, is the MAC address / BSSID of the Wi-Fi AP the
device is connected to. Other BSSIDs nearby have also some impact, but
the BSSID of the connected AP is only that powerful that it overrides
even GSM network based geolocation.

Would it be perhaps possible to regenerate new random BSSIDs for all APs
after each event? In my small scale experiment (one Wi-Fi router
operating at one place for a long time and then moved somewhere else),
this helped a lot.

Of course, the IP-address based geolocation is a different part of
story. But I think that work pretty good (I'm not allowed to use Netflix
or Hulu here, which I probably should be when in the US ;-D)

Cheers,
Ond=C5=99ej Caletka


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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:16:28PM +0200, Ignacio Solis wrote:
> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed that
> our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
> 
> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
> suddenly teleporting.

	This seems to mostly confuse Android devices from what I hear.
I don't have trouble myself except in the rare case the IETF network
is very strong compared to the local venue or hotel network and the APs
are well registered to Google or others.

	I would consider manually setting your time zone or having it
set based on the local cellular network time if you can.

	- Jared

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It looks like only IPv4 is down, ietf-nat64 works great!

David


> On Jul 23, 2015, at 07:53, Jim Martin  wrote:
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> Gentlepeople,
> 	We are experiencing a major network outage that impacts our core =
switching system. We=E2=80=99re very actively investigating and hope to =
have it resolved quickly. We will update as soon as we have more =
information. Apologies for the downtime!
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+1 That said, I switched over to ietf-nat64 but some of the NAT stuff for
v4-only sites may be getting a lot of traffic - some sites are slower than
normal to load or don=B9t load (may come with the territory I support).
Seems to be improving though.

Jason



On 7/23/15, 5:09 PM, "David Schinazi"  wrote:

>It looks like only IPv4 is down, ietf-nat64 works great!
>
>David
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>
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 07:53, Jim Martin  wrote:
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>> 	We are experiencing a major network outage that impacts our core
>>switching system. We=B9re very actively investigating and hope to have it
>>resolved quickly. We will update as soon as we have more information.
>>Apologies for the downtime!
>>=20
>> 	- Jim
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> It looks like only IPv4 is down, ietf-nat64 works great!

IPv6 works indeed fine on the SSID ietf-2.4. Unfortunately, the NAT64
network is not advertised on this range of frequencies so, for all
Wifi chipset, we are limited to the IPv6 Internet (not too bad, all my
work machines, my personal email server - so you can receive this
message - interesting Web sites, etc).


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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:09:20AM -0700,
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> It looks like only IPv4 is down, ietf-nat64 works great!

On the wired network, same problem, IPv6 is fine (no NAT64 on the
wired, it seems), IPv4... I don't even get an address:

% ip route show
192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.122.1 

(virbr0 is an interface to my virtual machines, not the network)

% ip -6 route show
2001:67c:370:128::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256  expires 2591998sec
fe80::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256 
default via fe80::128:1 dev eth0  proto static  metric 1 
default via fe80::128:1 dev eth0  proto ra  metric 1024  expires 598sec hoplimit 64

% traceroute6 www.afnic.fr
traceroute to web01.nic.fr (2001:67c:2218:30::5) from 2001:67c:370:128:4dcc:1691:49d5:5f76, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets
 1  rtra.meeting.ietf.org (2001:67c:370:128::2)  0.604 ms  2.082 ms  0.584 ms
 2  rtrb.meeting.ietf.org (2001:67c:370:228::3)  0.631 ms  0.657 ms  0.514 ms
 3  2001:4de8:b0ba:ff32::29:208 (2001:4de8:b0ba:ff32::29:208)  0.915 ms  0.953 ms  0.99 ms
 4  2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:35::1 (2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:35::1)  1.81 ms  1.67 ms  1.589 ms
 5  2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:37::1 (2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:37::1)  1.924 ms  1.6 ms  1.474 ms
 6  2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:28::2 (2001:4de8:d1a1:1111:28::2)  10.015 ms  9.703 ms  9.723 ms
 7  xe0-0-3.er01.fra01.jaguar-network.net (2001:7f8::783d:0:1)  19.405 ms  19.92 ms  19.809 ms
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Hi,

 

For those interested on the Bar-BoF today, I have uploaded some slides here:

http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/bof-session-about-simplemux-at-ie
tf93-prague

 

It should be taken into account that this bar-BoF will be held in a real bar
near the hotel (TBD), so we will not have a projector. So if you want, you
can download the slides to your laptops. In addition, I will show some tests
with packets travelling between 4 virtual machines running in my laptop.

 

See you at the registration desk at 20:15 today.

 

BR,

 

Jose

 

De: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de Jose
Saldana
Enviado el: martes, 21 de julio de 2015 16:43
Para: 93attendees@ietf.org
Asunto: Re: [93attendees] Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with Simplemux

 

Hi,

 

Since there is another Bof at the same time, the Simplemux BoF will be:

 

Thursday 20:15. Registration Desk. (You may lose half the bits & bytes)

 

If anyone cannot attend it, please send me an e-mail and we can talk.

 

Sorry for the changes,

 

Jose

 

De: 93attendees [ 
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Enviado el: lunes, 20 de julio de 2015 12:11
Para:   93attendees@ietf.org
Asunto: [93attendees] Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with Simplemux

 

Hi all,

 

Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF about traffic
optimization with Simplemux.

 

We will meet at the hotel reception and then we will move to a real bar.

 

A summary about Simplemux is here:

http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux-a-generic-multiplexing-
protocol. In fact, these are the slides to be used in the presentation at
GAIA session in Prague next Wednesday 9.00:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/ 

 

Simplemux is a lightweight protocol designed for creating a tunnel of
multiplexed packets. We have built an implementation:
 https://github.com/TCM-TF/simplemux.

 

When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings can be obtained as
e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a number of RTP VoIP flows
together.

 

The idea of the Bar-BOF is to give a more detailed explaining about
Simplemux, and to show the protocol running between a set of (virtual)
machines.

 

The implementation has been built in C, and it can even run in a low-cost
Access Point running OpenWRT.

 

Best regards,

 

Jose Saldana

PS: If you don't know me, I will be wearing a T-Shirt of IETF'87 Berlin next
Wednesday. If you cannot attend the Bar-BOF but you are interested on
Simplemux, do not hesitate to write me


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It should =
be taken into account that this bar-BoF will be held in a real bar near =
the hotel (TBD), so we will not have a projector. So if you want, you =
can download the slides to your laptops. In addition, I will show some =
tests with packets travelling between 4 virtual machines running in my =
laptop.
 
See you at =
the registration desk at 20:15 today.
 
BR,
 
Jose
 
De: 93attendees =
[mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de Jose =
Saldana
Enviado el: martes, 21 de julio de 2015 =
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[93attendees] Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with =
Simplemux
 
Hi,
 
Since there =
is another Bof at the same time, the Simplemux BoF will =
be:
 
Thursday =
20:15. Registration Desk. (You may lose half the bits & =
bytes)
 
If anyone =
cannot attend it, please send me an e-mail and we can =
talk.
 
Sorry for =
the changes,
 
Jose
 
De: 93attendees =
[mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de =
Jose Saldana
Enviado el: lunes, 20 de julio de 2015 =
12:11
Para: 93attendees@ietf.org
Asunto: [93attendees] =
Bar-BOF about traffic optimization with =
Simplemux
 
Hi all,
 
Next Wednesday at 19.40 we are having an informal Bar-BOF =
about traffic optimization with Simplemux.
 
We will meet at the hotel reception =
and then we will move to a real bar.
 
A summary about Simplemux is here: =
http://www.slideshare.net/josemariasaldana/simplemux-a-gener=
ic-multiplexing-protocol. In fact, these =
are the slides to be used in the presentation at GAIA session in Prague =
next Wednesday 9.00: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda/gaia/<=
/a> 
 
Simplemux is a lightweight protocol designed for creating a =
tunnel of multiplexed packets. We have built an implementation: =
https://github.com/TCM-TF/simplemux.
 
When combined with ROHC compression, significant savings =
can be obtained as e.g. a 45% bandwidth reduction when multiplexing a =
number of RTP VoIP flows together.
 
The idea of the Bar-BOF is to give =
a more detailed explaining about Simplemux, and to show the protocol =
running between a set of (virtual) machines.
 
The implementation has been built =
in C, and it can even run in a low-cost Access Point running =
OpenWRT.
 
Best regards,
 
Jose =
Saldana
PS: =
If you don’t know me, I will be wearing a T-Shirt of IETF’87 =
Berlin next Wednesday. If you cannot attend the Bar-BOF but you are =
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Gentlepeople,
	We believe that most, if not all, services have been restored. =
We had a catastrophic failure of half of the core switch stack, and the =
remaining half became very confused. After a power cycle, we migrated =
all of the links to the edge switches from the dead switch to the good =
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 06:20:11PM +0200,
 Jim Martin  wrote 
 a message of 60 lines which said:

> We had a catastrophic failure of half of the core switch stack, and
> the remaining half became very confused. After a power cycle, we
> migrated all of the links to the edge switches from the dead switch
> to the good one, and adjusted the configs to account for the
> changes.

And why a switch failure let IPv6 working but not IPv4? (Just curious,
thanks for the job, anyway, I know it is demanding and unrewarding.)


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Hi Attendees,


If anyone has a 220v to 110v transformer we could borrow for Bits and Bytes=
 tonight, that would be awesome! If so, please let me know or bring it down=
 to the Congress Hall Foyer.


Much appreciated,?

Nathan

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Hi Attendees,









If anyone has a 220v to 110v transformer we could borrow for Bits a=
nd Bytes tonight, that would be awesome! If so, please let me know or =
bring it down to the Congress Hall Foyer.









Much appreciated,​




Nathan






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I'm remote for IETF93, and I've lived entirely on meetecho, while previously,
I've used a mix of streamed MP3/downloading-slides/pure-xmpp, and some meetecho.

1) the meetecho sessions seem to stop exactly at the closing time, which is
   sometimes a problem, and not everyone's watch is identically set.

2) the meetecho sessions do not start until the starting time, and you can't
   wait, so it means that one can not come a minute or two early.  I also
   suggest that during the time before the meeting starts, that some kind of
   "muzak" fill the meetecho room at the same levels, so that people can use
   that to validate if their headsets, etc. work.

3) the meetecho recordings are great because they synchronize slides and chat
   and audio... but... well.. can we have an option for 2x or 3x playback speed?

4) The name that you put on the "Blue Sheet" winds up being your jabber ID.
   Okay, great, but that is no collision process.  So if I happen to be in
   the jabber room using the same ID (through my regular jabber client), then
   I get kicked out with a weird error... Also, "Michael Richardson" is
   actually a pretty common name (my wife even has a cousin with the same
   name; please enqueue ozarks jokes now)... so even non-malicious situations
   could have conflicts.

5) I'd like to opt out of the chat on the *browser* screen, and just have the video and
   the slides be same size... that would be more pleasant.

6) what is the right process to get the camera pointed in a different
   direction? Should people in the room move it?   or?

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IPv4 DHCP and v6 RA behave differently, and were affected differently by
the config during the switch outage.
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On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 06:20:11PM +0200,
>  Jim Martin > wrote
>  a message of 60 lines which said:
>
> > We had a catastrophic failure of half of the core switch stack, and
> > the remaining half became very confused. After a power cycle, we
> > migrated all of the links to the edge switches from the dead switch
> > to the good one, and adjusted the configs to account for the
> > changes.
>
> And why a switch failure let IPv6 working but not IPv4? (Just curious,
> thanks for the job, anyway, I know it is demanding and unrewarding.)
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On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> wrot=
e:
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=C2=A0Jim Martin <jrmii@isc.org> wrote

=C2=A0a message of 60 lines which said:



> We had a catastrophic failure of half of the core switch stack, and
> the remaining half became very confused. After a power cycle, we

> migrated all of the links to the edge switches from the dead switch
> to the good one, and adjusted the configs to account for the

> changes.



And why a switch failure let IPv6 working but not IPv4? (Just curious,

thanks for the job, anyway, I know it is demanding and unrewarding.)



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beating wifi into =
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I =
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for all these years of hard work!

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> On 23 Jul 2015, at 18:28, Ted Lemon  wrote:
>=20
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:32 AM, George, Wes > wrote:
>> I think that there would be real value in you and some of your fellow
>> AP-wranglers writing an informational Internet Draft discussing some =
of
>> the challenges you've faced and best practices you have learned while
>> beating wifi into submission for a high-density installation and =
intensive
>> user base over multiple years.
>=20
> I think so too, although this may be perceived as a somewhat cruel =
reward for all these years of hard work!

Indeed, but it would be so awesome too :)

There=E2=80=99s this one of course, but a bit dated now (time passes so =
quickly!):
http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~andreaf/downloads/ietf_measures.pdf =


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On Jul 23, =
2015, at 10:32 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> wrote:
I think that there would be real value in you =
and some of your fellow
AP-wranglers writing an =
informational Internet Draft discussing some of
the challenges you've faced and best practices =
you have learned while
beating wifi into =
submission for a high-density installation and intensive
user base over multiple =
years.

I =
think so too, although this may be perceived as a somewhat cruel reward =
for all these years of hard work!

Indeed, but it would be so awesome too =
:)

There=E2=80=99s this one of =
course, but a bit dated now (time passes so quickly!):

Tim

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Dear all,

Please, could You tell me how can i join ops/dime group or any other one ?

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Dear all,

Please, could You tell me how can i join ops/dime group or any other one ?

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It's not only Android. On my laptop, Google maps (and Bing maps) think I'm
in Dallas (via Chrome).

However, I'm sure there are different ways to determine this...

https://ipcim.com/en/?p=where   = Dallas
http://www.whereisip.net/ =  Switzerland
http://www.ip2location.com/ = Prague

Nacho

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jared Mauch  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:16:28PM +0200, Ignacio Solis wrote:
> > I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed
> that
> > our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
> >
> > A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
> > suddenly teleporting.
>
>         This seems to mostly confuse Android devices from what I hear.
> I don't have trouble myself except in the rare case the IETF network
> is very strong compared to the local venue or hotel network and the APs
> are well registered to Google or others.
>
>         I would consider manually setting your time zone or having it
> set based on the local cellular network time if you can.
>
>         - Jared
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It's not only Android. On my laptop, Google maps (and =
Bing maps) think I'm in Dallas (via Chrome).

However=
, I'm sure there are different ways to determine this...

<=
a href=3D"https://ipcim.com/en/?p=3Dwhere">https://ipcim.com/en/?p=3Dwhere<=
/a> =C2=A0 =3D Dallas
h=
ttp://www.whereisip.net/ =3D =C2=A0Switzerland

Nacho

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Jar=
ed Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:16:28PM +0200=
, Ignacio Solis wrote:

> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noti=
ced that

> our IP addresses are still in Dallas?

>

> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and=


> suddenly teleporting.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This seems to mostly confuse Android dev=
ices from what I hear.

I don't have trouble myself except in the rare case the IETF network
is very strong compared to the local venue or hotel network and the APs

are well registered to Google or others.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would consider manually setting your time zon=
e or having it

set based on the local cellular network time if you can.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Jared



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Hello Michael,=0A=0Athanks for your feedback! Answering inline.=0A=0A> =0A=
> I'm remote for IETF93, and I've lived entirely on meetecho, while previ=
ously,=0A> I've used a mix of streamed MP3/downloading-slides/pure-xmpp, =
and some meetecho.=0A> =0A> 1) the meetecho sessions seem to stop exactly=
 at the closing time, which is=0A>    sometimes a problem, and not everyo=
ne's watch is identically set.=0A> =0A=0A=0AIf you experienced something =
like this it's weird, as that's actually not the way it should work. We o=
nly stop sessions when we notice it has ended, something we can do as we =
monitor all the video and audio streams from the control endpoint in the =
NOC. The only times we stop sessions before they end is when the overtime=
 exceeds ~10 minutes, as in that case we need some time to prepare the se=
ssion that starts in the following slot.=0A=0AWhat does not work is tryin=
g to join a session after the end time, that's true, but for remote parti=
cipants still in the room the streaming will proceed.=0A=0A=0A> 2) the me=
etecho sessions do not start until the starting time, and you can't=0A>  =
  wait, so it means that one can not come a minute or two early.  I also=0A=
>    suggest that during the time before the meeting starts, that some ki=
nd of=0A>    "muzak" fill the meetecho room at the same levels, so that p=
eople can use=0A>    that to validate if their headsets, etc. work.=0A> =0A=
=0A=0AThat shouldn't be the case either: to be precise, we configure our =
servers to allow users to join from exactly 5 minutes before sessions sta=
rt. This allows for people to join quite a bit before the actual sessions=
 start, and gives us enough time to make the proper checks (e.g., whether=
 video and audio are captured and restreamed correctly) and fix things if=
 needed.=0A=0A=0A> 3) the meetecho recordings are great because they sync=
hronize slides and chat=0A>    and audio... but... well.. can we have an =
option for 2x or 3x playback speed?=0A> =0A=0A=0AYep, there's no "increas=
e speed" feature, but there is a seekbar below you can make use of to qui=
ckly go to a specific point in the recording. It's admittedly not very pr=
ecise or effective, and is one of the areas we want to improve in that re=
spect.=0A=0A=0A> 4) The name that you put on the "Blue Sheet" winds up be=
ing your jabber ID.=0A>    Okay, great, but that is no collision process.=
  So if I happen to be in=0A>    the jabber room using the same ID (throu=
gh my regular jabber client), then=0A>    I get kicked out with a weird e=
rror... Also, "Michael Richardson" is=0A>    actually a pretty common nam=
e (my wife even has a cousin with the same=0A>    name; please enqueue oz=
arks jokes now)... so even non-malicious situations=0A>    could have con=
flicts.=0A> =0A=0A=0AWe handle conflicts in Jabber usernames as I believe=
 other clients do (or should do, at least). If you try to join a session =
via Meetecho and the username is already taken, you'll be asked to choose=
 a different one: the UI suggests some by simply appending something to m=
ake the provided one unique. If you join with a Jabber client after you j=
oined via Meetecho, the Jabber client should notify you about the conflic=
t and resolve it pretty much the same way.=0A=0ANot sure how we could cha=
nge this behaviour to improve this. If the conflict management is not wor=
king as expected, it's a bug we need to fix.=0A=0A=0A> 5) I'd like to opt=
 out of the chat on the *browser* screen, and just have the video and=0A>=
    the slides be same size... that would be more pleasant.=0A> =0A=0A=0A=
As of now that's not possible, you're right. We do provide a Jabber-less =
alternative, but it only provides a Flash-based view of the slides and th=
e audio feed, no video.=0A=0AJabber is integrated as we actually thought =
it would be seen as a convenience for users, so we honestly never thought=
 about an option to opt out. If there will be enough interest in this, we=
'll try and work on a further alternative to address that requirement as =
well. =0A=0A=0A> 6) what is the right process to get the camera pointed i=
n a different=0A>    direction? Should people in the room move it?   or?=0A=
> =0A=0A=0AThat's actually our fault :-)=0A=0AAs anticipated, we're monit=
oring all sessions at the same time from a couple of controlling laptops.=
 All cameras are remotely controllable, which means we can follow speaker=
s around and, when possible, follow the discussion (e.g., focus on the mi=
c line rather than the speaker). That said, 8 sessions at the same time a=
re a lot, and since we're often busy on other things (e..g, making sure a=
udio works, helping a remote presentation, processing recordings and the =
like) we sometimes lose track of a few videos.=0A=0AThis is something you=
 guys can help us on, though: we join all Jabber session using Meetecho a=
s a username, so if you notice we're not doing something right, just ment=
ion us on the jabber room (as Meetecho, capital M), and we'll be alerted =
loudly. This obviously also applies if you notice any problem, either in =
the local room or in the Meetecho session.=0A=0A=0AThanks again for your =
feedback and suggestions!=0Athe Meetecho Team=0A=0A=0A> --=0A> Michael Ri=
chardson , Sandelman Software Works=0A>  -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-=0A=
> =0A> =0A> 


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On 7/23/15 7:25 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
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>> It looks like only IPv4 is down, ietf-nat64 works great!
> 
> While being highly sympathetic to Jim and all the other NOC folks,
> I am really delighted to hear this!

Being unable to relay dhcp requests is a bit of a bummer, which is
excerbated by frequent dis/re-association.

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On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:27 PM, ibn khedher hatem =
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> Dear all,
>=20
> Please, could You tell me how can i join ops/dime group or any other =
one ?
>=20
> Kinds,
> Hatem IBN KHEDHER

Hi.

The IETF is not a member organization. None of us is a member of the =
IETF nor a member of any particular working group.=20

The only thing you can join is the mailing list.

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Dear all,

Please, could You tell me how can i =
join ops/dime group or any other one ?

Kinds,
Hatem IBN =
KHEDHER

Hi.

The IETF =
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Also, did you read the information for newcomers?:
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:27 PM, ibn khedher hatem  wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please, could You tell me how can i join ops/dime group or any other one ?
>>
>> Kinds,
>> Hatem IBN KHEDHER
> 
> Hi.
> 
> The IETF is not a member organization. None of us is a member of the IETF nor a member of any particular working group. 
> 
> The only thing you can join is the mailing list.
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> You do that at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ 
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> For example: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime 
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> Yoav
> 
> 
> 
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At 8:13 AM -0400 7/23/15, Tony Hansen wrote:

>  I've had much better luck with my Apple Airport plugged into the wired
>  connection in my room than trying to use ietf-hotel.

Yes, I have been kicking myself for leaving mine at home.

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At 12:01 PM +0000 7/23/15, Dan (Dan) Romascanu wrote:

>  I still have to see ietf-hotel SSID working at all. Then I can 
> comment about moving. It never worked in my hotel room. I opened a 
> ticket (#934) on Sunday and after two days, several mails exchanged 
> and a conversation with the folks at the NOC, I was told the 
> problem has no solution, and I should try using the wired 
> connection in the room.

Pretty much my experience.  Of course this is the fault of the hotel 
and their provider, not our own people who have been working hard to 
try and fix an unsolvable problem.


>   > -----Original Message-----
>>  From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>  Haas
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:56 PM
>>  To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>  Subject: [93attendees] Prague IETF-HOTEL SSID issues
>>
>>  Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>
>>  The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>>  between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP not
>>  generally working after working in a different location.
>>
>>  Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>>
>>  -- Jeff
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My family went there today and they loved it. Only cost ~200 Kr for 3 of th=
em.

Thanks!

From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Lisa Lorenzin >
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:56 AM
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Subject: [93attendees] Terrific (small) city museum 2 blocks from Hilton


If you're into history and/or archaeology and have an hour or two free betw=
een 9am-6pm this week, check out the Prague City Museum!


Highlights:


* A _fascinating_ handmade 1:480 model of 1820s-30s Prague with a full 3D d=
igitization (catch the 6-min 3D video flythrough every half-hour starting a=
t 9:30)


* An impressive collection of archaeological artifacts from the Neolothic f=
orward


* A very clear, informative history of the city itself evolving through the=
 various imperial dynasties, wars, religious conflicts, etc.


You can see the whole museum in 2 hours, but even an hour is time well spen=
t. (And it's only 120CZK admission.)


To get there, walk out LL, cross through the shopping arcade, and cross Sok=
olovska toward the Florenc metro station. Turn right on Sokolovska, walk up=
 to the corner, cross Ke Stvanici, and go left towards the large ornate mus=
tard-yellow building a block down, which is the museum. Street address: Na =
Porici 52. It's a 5-10 minute walk depending on crossing traffic & your wal=
king speed...


Regards,

Lisa


Lisa Lorenzin

Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure

919-384-7275 | llorenzin@pulsesecure.net


Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone

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My family went there today and they loved it. Only cost ~200 Kr for 3 =
of them.











Thanks!









From: 93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on =
behalf of Lisa Lorenzin <ll=
orenzin@pulsesecure.net>

Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6=
:56 AM

To: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>

Subject: [93attendees] Terrific (sm=
all) city museum 2 blocks from Hilton















If you're into hist=
ory and/or archaeology and have an hour or two free between 9am-6pm this we=
ek, check out the Prague City Museum!  







Highlights:







* A _fascinating_ h=
andmade 1:480 model of 1820s-30s Prague with a full 3D digitization (catch =
the 6-min 3D video flythrough every half-hour starting at 9:30)







* An impressive col=
lection of archaeological artifacts from the Neolothic forward







* A very clear, inf=
ormative history of the city itself evolving through the various imperial d=
ynasties, wars, religious conflicts, etc.







You can see the who=
le museum in 2 hours, but even an hour is time well spent. (And it's only 1=
20CZK admission.)







To get there, walk =
out LL, cross through the shopping arcade, and cross Sokolovska toward the =
Florenc metro station. Turn right on Sokolovska, walk up to the corner, cro=
ss Ke Stvanici, and go left towards
 the large ornate mustard-yellow building a block down, which is the museum=
. Street address: Na Porici 52. It's a 5-10 minute walk depending on crossi=
ng traffic & your walking speed...










Regards,



Lisa









Lisa Lorenzin



Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure



919-384-7275 | 
llorenzin@pulsesecure.net











Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone















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On 7/23/15 1:20 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:

> 4)  Also, "Michael Richardson" is
>     actually a pretty common name (my wife even has a cousin with the same
>     name; please enqueue ozarks jokes now)... so even non-malicious situations
>     could have conflicts.

I don't understand. I have *never* experienced a naming conflict! :-)


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On 24/07/2015 09:32, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> On 7/23/15 1:20 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
>> 4)  Also, "Michael Richardson" is
>>     actually a pretty common name (my wife even has a cousin with the same
>>     name; please enqueue ozarks jokes now)... so even non-malicious situations
>>     could have conflicts.
> 
> I don't understand. I have *never* experienced a naming conflict! :-)

Some of us are not so lucky. When I joined IBM there were two other Brian Carpenters
already there, and this guy could perfectly well show up in an IETF context:
https://twitter.com/geeknik



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On 24/07/2015 07:29, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:01 PM +0000 7/23/15, Dan (Dan) Romascanu wrote:
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>>  I still have to see ietf-hotel SSID working at all. Then I can comment about moving. It never worked in my hotel room. I
>> opened a ticket (#934) on Sunday and after two days, several mails exchanged and a conversation with the folks at the NOC, I
>> was told the problem has no solution, and I should try using the wired connection in the room.
> 
> Pretty much my experience.  Of course this is the fault of the hotel and their provider, not our own people who have been
> working hard to try and fix an unsolvable problem.

It works most of the time where I am (in the 1080's). Just as well, since my wife has got the hard wired connection. Anyway,
never blame our NOC for hotel infrastructure problems.

   Brian

> 
> 
>>   > -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>>  Haas
>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:56 PM
>>>  To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>>  Subject: [93attendees] Prague IETF-HOTEL SSID issues
>>>
>>>  Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>>
>>>  The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>>>  between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing was IP not
>>>  generally working after working in a different location.
>>>
>>>  Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>>>
>>>  -- Jeff
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Randall Gellens wrote:

> At 8:13 AM -0400 7/23/15, Tony Hansen wrote:
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>>  I've had much better luck with my Apple Airport plugged into the wired
>>  connection in my room than trying to use ietf-hotel.
>
> Yes, I have been kicking myself for leaving mine at home.

I tend to carry around a device similar to:

http://www.dx.com/p/dual-band-2-4-5ghz-750mbps-wireless-ap-wi-fi-repeater-black-white-eu-plug-395394

(I don't have this specific unit, don't know if it's good, just wanting to 
show what form factor or it is).

The one I have can be wifi client, wifi bridge, NAT44-router with IPv6 
bridging, wifi-to-wired bridge etc. Basically anything you can imagine and 
need. Very recommended to bring on the road and doesn't take much space in 
my backpack.

I also tend to bring down the transmit power to make the signal spread 
less, so I minimize interference with existing hotel wifi APs. You don't 
need much power to cover a hotel room.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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There are some extra t-shirts and beer steins available from the IETF 93 Hosts, CZ.NIC and Broacade.  They are near the IETF 93 Registration desk in the Congress Hall Foyer.  

If you would like one, they are here on a first come, first served basis.  We can not hold them for you.


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All,

We are trying to improve the IETF mentoring program.   But before we re-design or focus the program, we want to find out who is coming to the IETF meetings and why they are here.    There are a number of motivations and types of attendees.  Our hope is to have a mentoring program that helps them to better achieve their goals.  

We are also setting up an email list where people can discuss their suggestions for the mentoring program.

So, if you would, we would really appreciate if you could take the following survey.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YVKCTFB

We will close the survey on August 7, 2015.   There is room for 1,000 participants.

Thanks so much!

Mentoring Team:
----------------------
Nalini Elkins
Marius Georgescu
Vinayak Hegde
Kevin Chege

Mentor Coordinators
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Wes Eddy
Dan Romascanu



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------ Original message------

From: Jose Saldana

Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:32

To: 93attendees@ietf.org;

Subject:[93attendees] I was wondering...


Hi all,

In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, =
etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.

I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't lik=
e. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avo=
id it (IMHO).

Best regards,

Jose

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Lisa









Lisa Lorenzin



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919-384-7275 | 
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From: Jose S=
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Date: Fri, J=
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Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I=
 don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF =
should avoid it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



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To: jsaldana@unizar.es, 93attendees@ietf.org
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+1


Regards,

Lisa


Lisa Lorenzin

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Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone


------ Original message------

From: Jose Saldana

Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:32

To: 93attendees@ietf.org;

Subject:[93attendees] I was wondering...


Hi all,

In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, =
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I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't lik=
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Best regards,

Jose

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Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00) 

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From: Jose S=
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Date: Fri, J=
ul 24, 2015 10:32


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Subject:[93a=
ttendees] I was wondering...












Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I=
 don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF =
should avoid it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



Sent from my smartphone

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On 2015-07-24 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't=
 like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF shou=
ld avoid it (IMHO).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jose
>
> Sent from my smartphone
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      From: Imad Y. Hoballah 
 To: Lisa Lorenzin ; "jsaldana@unizar.es" ; "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>=20
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:52 AM
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Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone

------ Original message------From: Jose SaldanaDate: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:3=
2To: 93attendees@ietf.org;Subject:[93attendees] I was wondering...
Hi all,

In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, =
etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.

I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't lik=
e. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avo=
id it (IMHO).

Best regards,

Jose

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Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00) 

To: jsaldana@unizar.es, 93attendees@ietf.org 

Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering... 












+1










Regards,



Lisa









Lisa Lorenzin



Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure



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Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone















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From: Jose Saldana

Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015=
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To: 93attendees@ietf.or=
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Subject:[93attendees] I=
 was wondering...












Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't lik=
e. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avo=
id it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



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> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't l=
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> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoi=
d it
> (IMHO).

Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing t=
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eel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.

I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at IETF=
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Imad Y. Hoballah 
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>  +1
>
>
>
>  Imad Y. Hoballah
> TRA Lebanon
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Lisa Lorenzin 
> Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00)
> To: jsaldana@unizar.es, 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
>
>   +1
>
>
>   Regards,
>
> Lisa
>
>
>  Lisa Lorenzin
>
> Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure
>
> 919-384-7275 | llorenzin@pulsesecure.net <%C2%A0llorenzin@pulsesecure.net=
>
>
>
>  Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone
>
>
>  ------ Original message------
>
> *From: *Jose Saldana
>
> *Date: *Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:32
>
> *To: *93attendees@ietf.org;
>
> *Subject:*[93attendees] I was wondering...
>
>
>   Hi all,
>
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts=
,
> etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
> like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF shoul=
d
> avoid it (IMHO).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jose
>
> Sent from my smartphone
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+1

















Imad Y. Hoballah

TRA Lebanon







-------- Original message --------

From: Lisa Lorenzin <llorenzin@pulsesecure.net> 

Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00) 

To: jsaldana@unizar=
.es, 93attend=
ees@ietf.org 

Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering... 










+1










Regards,



Lisa









Lisa Lorenzin



Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure



919-384-7275 | 
llorenzin@pulsesecure.net











Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone















------ Original mess=
age------


From: Jose Sa=
ldana


Date: Fri, Ju=
l 24, 2015 10:32


To: 93attendees@ietf.org=
;


Subject:[93at=
tendees] I was wondering...












Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I=
 don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the I=
ETF should avoid it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



Sent from my smartphone

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93attendees mailing list

93attendees@ietf.=
org

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Hi,



On 24/07/15 11:47, "93attendees on behalf of ext Rosen, Brian"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> wrote:

>There is a discussion on this over on Facebook.
>
>I=B9ll repeat my message on this:
>I expressed my dismay to the secretariat, who were very unhappy about the
>situation.  The company employing these women was associated with our
>host, cz.nic.  This company was told by the secretariat, multiple times,
>that it would not be a good idea to have the women at the event.  The
>secretariat did not feel that they could outright forbid them to.

It seems that this a case where IETF, secretariat or anybody associated to
the IETF has not done anything wrong. The proper concerns have be taken up
with the company doing this before the meeting. So, this is really just
shame on the company itself and should be concerned as very poor judgement
from their part.=20

Cheers,

Jonne.

>
> =20
>
>On 7/24/15, 10:31 AM, "Jose Saldana"  wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>>skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>
>>I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>>like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF
>>should avoid it (IMHO).
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Jose
>>
>>Sent from my smartphone
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Imho we have have a significant failure in setting and managing our
expectations for sponsors.

The responsibility for that failure lies with those of us who in
various positions of oversight. and I expect that we will have to
address that.

joel

On 7/24/15 10:47 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
> There is a discussion on this over on Facebook.
> 
> I’ll repeat my message on this: I expressed my dismay to the
> secretariat, who were very unhappy about the situation.  The
> company employing these women was associated with our host, cz.nic.
> This company was told by the secretariat, multiple times, that it
> would not be a good idea to have the women at the event.  The 
> secretariat did not feel that they could outright forbid them to.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/24/15, 10:31 AM, "Jose Saldana"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in
>> short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>> 
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I
>> don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But
>> the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jose
>> 
>> Sent from my smartphone 
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Well said=20



On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:54, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:

>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirt=
s, etc.
>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>=20
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't =
like.
>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avo=
id it
>> (IMHO).
>=20
> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing=
 this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly didn't=
 feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>=20
> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at IE=
TF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
> Barbara
>=20
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+1

On a separate thread someone stated "Creating environments where women are =
"welcome" is indeed foundational at the end of the day.". At the stand with=
 the women in question one of my colleagues had a photo with one of them, a=
nd another commented on that saying "having a photo with the girls?" and la=
ughed. I am the only woman in this particular group (more often than not) a=
nd I have never felt more alienated than I did at that moment. Given the in=
dustry I work in, I am surprised that this happened at IETF.

Thanks to Jose for speaking up.

Natasha


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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:
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>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirt=
s, etc.
>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't =
like.
>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avo=
id it
>> (IMHO).
>
> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing=
 this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly didn't=
 feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>
> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at IE=
TF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
> Barbara
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If it wasn't set as a condition to B&B participants before, I certainly
hope the IAOC will do so in future.

Sad day. We should be well beyond this.

_G

On 24 July 2015 at 10:58, Erica Johnson  wrote:

>  +1
>
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>
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> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Imad Y. Hoballah <
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>>  +1
>>
>>
>>
>>  Imad Y. Hoballah
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>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Lisa Lorenzin 
>> Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00)
>> To: jsaldana@unizar.es, 93attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
>>
>>   +1
>>
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>  Lisa Lorenzin
>>
>> Principal Solutions Architect, Pulse Secure
>>
>> 919-384-7275 | llorenzin@pulsesecure.net
>> <%C2%A0llorenzin@pulsesecure.net>
>>
>>
>>  Please pardon brevity - sent from my phone
>>
>>
>>  ------ Original message------
>>
>> *From: *Jose Saldana
>>
>> *Date: *Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:32
>>
>> *To: *93attendees@ietf.org;
>>
>> *Subject:*[93attendees] I was wondering...
>>
>>
>>   Hi all,
>>
>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>> skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>> like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF shou=
ld
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>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jose
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Sad day. We should be well beyond this.

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-------- Original message --------

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Date: 24/07/2015 11:50 AM (GMT+02:00) 

To: jsaldana@unizar=
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93attendees@ietf.org 

Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering... 










+1









Regards,


Lisa







Lisa Lorenzin


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Please pardon brevit=
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------ Original mess=
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From: Jose Sa=
ldana


Date: Fri, Ju=
l 24, 2015 10:32


To: 93attendees@ietf.org=
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Subject:[93at=
tendees] I was wondering...












Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skir=
ts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I=
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ETF should avoid it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



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Sad day. We should be well beyond this.

_G

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+1


Regards,

Lisa


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------ Original message------

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Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 10:32

To: 93attendees@ietf.org;

Subject:[93attendees] I was wondering...


Hi all,

In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, =
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I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't lik=
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Jose

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From: Jose Sa=
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Subject:[93at=
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Hi all,



In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young lad=
ies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.



I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I=
 don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF =
should avoid it (IMHO).



Best regards,



Jose



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On 7/24/15 10:31 AM, Jose Saldana wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
>
> Best regards,
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> Jose
>

+1

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I=E2=80=99ve spent the entire week of this IETF meeting on the =
=E2=80=9Cietf-nat64=E2=80=9D network, on both my iPhone and my laptop. =
With just one exception, everything has worked fine and I have not had =
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The exception mentioned above was trying to pay my Amazon credit card =
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% host www.onlinecreditcenter6.com
www.onlinecreditcenter6.com has address 216.74.188.135
Host www.onlinecreditcenter6.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

This seems like a fixable bug in the DNS64 engine. If a server has no =
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creating a communication path to the server=E2=80=99s IPv4 address.

This is reminiscent of my 2008 talk at IETF 72 about the perils of =
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:
>=20
>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short =
skirts, etc.
>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>=20
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I =
don't like.
>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should =
avoid it
>> (IMHO).
>=20
> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been =
discussing this extensively with other women here (and some men), but =
honestly didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the =
attendees list.
>=20
> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at =
IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.

Save your anger for the situation, but do not question being here.  A =
"WTH does this have to do with IETF culture" is quite appropriate, in my =
opinion.

-- Jeff=20


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Hi Jonne,

On 24/07/2015 21:02, Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 24/07/15 11:47, "93attendees on behalf of ext Rosen, Brian"
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>> There is a discussion on this over on Facebook.
>>
>> I=C2=B9ll repeat my message on this:
>> I expressed my dismay to the secretariat, who were very unhappy about =
the
>> situation.  The company employing these women was associated with our
>> host, cz.nic.  This company was told by the secretariat, multiple time=
s,
>> that it would not be a good idea to have the women at the event.  The
>> secretariat did not feel that they could outright forbid them to.
>=20
> It seems that this a case where IETF, secretariat or anybody associated=
 to
> the IETF has not done anything wrong. The proper concerns have be taken=
 up
> with the company doing this before the meeting. So, this is really just=

> shame on the company itself and should be concerned as very poor judgem=
ent
> from their part.=20

That's true, but it suggests to me that there should be written terms
and conditions for the participating companies that make it clear that
this sort of thing is unacceptable, and give the Secretariat the power
to throw them out (in real time if necessary).

I do hope that the people who found this personally offensive will
understand that it is definitely not the IETF's intention to permit
such things.

    Brian


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I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in
general), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been a great
city for an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the food
and beer were cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was reasonable
cost.  As most folks have experienced, there were some bumps (hotel
reservations, network stability) but they seemed transient and fixable in a
future visit.  Did the threats of pickpockets materialize?

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I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or =
cities, in general), pickpockets and such.=C2=A0 In my experience, this has=
 been a great city for an IETF and I'd love to come back.=C2=A0 The hot=
el was nice, the food and beer were cheap, the city is attractive, the flig=
ht was reasonable cost.=C2=A0 As most folks have experienced, there were so=
me bumps (hotel reservations, network stability) but they seemed transient =
and fixable in a future visit.=C2=A0 Did the threats of pickpockets materia=
lize?

--aaron


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One of the drafts that I co-author is making it to last call thanks to =
two young women of incredible technical ability that I brought in to do =
the job. Ladies, do not doubt your right to be here.

John

> On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:08, Jeff Haas  wrote:
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>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H  =
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>>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short =
skirts, etc.
>>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
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>>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I =
don't like.
>>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should =
avoid it
>>> (IMHO).
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>> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been =
discussing this extensively with other women here (and some men), but =
honestly didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the =
attendees list.
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>> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this =
at IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
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> Save your anger for the situation, but do not question being here.  A =
"WTH does this have to do with IETF culture" is quite appropriate, in my =
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One of the drafts that I co-author is making it to last call =
thanks to two young women of incredible technical ability that I brought =
in to do the job. Ladies, do not doubt your right to be here.

John

On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:08, Jeff =
Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:


On Jul 24, 2015, at =
10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:

In my opinion, the =
bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc.
was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.

I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is =
something I don't like.
It is common in trade fairs, =
sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it
(IMHO).

Thank you for bringing this onto =
the attendees list. I've been discussing this extensively with other =
women here (and some men), but honestly didn't feel brave enough to open =
the conversation on the attendees list.

I =
personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at =
IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.

Save your anger for the =
situation, but do not question being here.  A "WTH does this have =
to do with IETF culture" is quite appropriate, in my opinion.

-- Jeff 

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Not for me! Nothing stolen, and no issues. I walked home alone yesterday, a=
t 2am. There were some groups of wondering alcohol fuelled youths, but that=
 was no issue on the busy, well lit streets.

Natasha

Natasha Rooney | Web Technologist | GSMA | nrooney@gsma.com | +44 (0) 7730 =
219 765 | @thisNatasha | Skype: nrooney@gsm.org
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Aaron Falk  wrote:
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> I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in gene=
ral), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been a great city f=
or an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the food and bee=
r were cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was reasonable cost.  As m=
ost folks have experienced, there were some bumps (hotel reservations, netw=
ork stability) but they seemed transient and fixable in a future visit.  Di=
d the threats of pickpockets materialize?
>
> --aaron
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From: Elise Gerich 
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Some alcohol fueled youths on the street gave me a bouquet of hyacinths and
sunflowers.  Totally unexpected and brought a smile to my face.
-- Elise 


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Rooney 
Date:  Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:16 AM
To:  Aaron Falk 
Cc:  "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
Subject:  Re: [93attendees] so, was there any crime?

> Not for me! Nothing stolen, and no issues. I walked home alone yesterday, at
> 2am. There were some groups of wondering alcohol fuelled youths, but that was
> no issue on the busy, well lit streets.
> 
> Natasha
> 
> Natasha Rooney | Web Technologist | GSMA | nrooney@gsma.com | +44 (0) 7730 219
> 765 | @thisNatasha | Skype: nrooney@gsm.org
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> 
>>  On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Aaron Falk  wrote:
>> 
>>  I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in
>> general), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been a great city
>> for an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the food and beer
>> were cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was reasonable cost.  As most
>> folks have experienced, there were some bumps (hotel reservations, network
>> stability) but they seemed transient and fixable in a future visit.  Did the
>> threats of pickpockets materialize?
>> 
>>  --aaron
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Some alcohol fueled=
 youths on the street gave me a bouquet of hyacinths and sunflowers.  T=
otally unexpected and brought a smile to my face. 
-- El=
ise 


From:  93attendees <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Natasha Roo=
ney <nrooney@gsma.com>
Date:  Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:16 AM
=
To:  Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>
Cc:  "93attendees@ietf.o=
rg" <93attendees@ietf.org&g=
t;
Subject:  Re: [93attendees] so, =
was there any crime?

Not for me! Nothing stolen, and no issues. I =
walked home alone yesterday, at 2am. There were some groups of wondering alc=
ohol fuelled youths, but that was no issue on the busy, well lit streets.

Natasha

Tokyo, Japan

 On Jul 24, 2015=
, at 11:13 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.fa=
lk@gmail.com> wrote:

 I saw a great deal of =
FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in general), pickpockets and suc=
h.  In my experience, this has been a great city for an IETF and I=
'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the food and beer were =
cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was reasonable cost.  As=
 most folks have experienced, there were some bumps (hotel reservations, net=
work stability) but they seemed transient and fixable in a future visit.&nbs=
p; Did the threats of pickpockets materialize?

 --aaron
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At 10:31 AM +0200 7/24/15, Jose Saldana wrote:

>  In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short 
> skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>
>  I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I 
> don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But 
> the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).

I went to dinner with colleagues instead of the B&B event, so I am 
going by reports on this list.  Employing such women shows a profound 
misunderstanding of the IETF culture and what the IETF is and is 
about.  I can't imagine that anyone with whom I've worked in the IETF 
would approve of this.

-- 
Randall Gellens
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Apparently every one is alive and well !

I've somewhat fallen in love with this city. I was here in 2011 and now 
in 2015 I've enjoyed it even more.

I'd come back any time.

Thanks to the hosts and the organizers. Please keep doing the IETF in 
Prague.

-Carlos

Aaron Falk wrote:
> Fully agree. I was here in 2011 and now in 2015 I've enjoyed it even 
> more.
>
> I'd come back any time.
>
> cheers
>
> -Carlos


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Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
> Please keep doing the IETF in Prague.

+1.

Maybe tied with Berlin, this was the most useful venue in Europe in so
many ways.

Grüße, Carsten


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On 7/24/15 11:20 AM, FOSSATI, Thomas (Thomas) wrote:

>> That's true, but it suggests to me that there should be written
>> terms and conditions for the participating companies that make it
>> clear that this sort of thing is unacceptable, and give the
>> Secretariat the power to throw them out (in real time if
>> necessary).
> 
> +1
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/ietf-anti-harassment-policy.html
> is the only written thing we seem to have in that space, but it
> doesn't really cover the specific situation.

Sponsorship and meeting organization are responsibilities of the IAOC
 and Internet Society membership services. The relationships that are
established are governed by contract. This is substantially different
that the relationship of participants in the IETF to each other.

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For what it is worth:

IETF events such as the Bits-n-Bites are professional events.

The practice labeled as =93promotional models" is not considered =
appropriate
at an IETF event. I apologise for our failure to prevent this from
happening and for anyone who has been offended.

We are trying to determine what happened in this case, and I have
asked the IAOC to set up a mechanism to prevent it from happening
again.

Jari Arkko, IETF Chair


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Hello!
First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
company I take the full responsibility.

Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
know our company very well.

Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
sensitivity. I am very sorry.

		Ondrej Filip



On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> 
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jose
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
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At 11:13 AM +0200 7/24/15, Aaron Falk wrote:

>  I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, 
> in general), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been 
> a great city for an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was 
> nice, the food and beer were cheap, the city is attractive, the 
> flight was reasonable cost.  As most folks have experienced, there 
> were some bumps (hotel reservations, network stability) but they 
> seemed transient and fixable in a future visit.  Did the threats of 
> pickpockets materialize?

I hope you're not suggesting that pickpockets are nonexistent here. 
At previous IETFs here there were a number of IETF participants who 
reported being victimized.  (Not that this is unique to Prague in any 
way.)  To characterize cautions against pickpockets as FUD seems a 
bit dismissive.  I hope that no participant was victimized, and that 
perhaps the cautions helped.

As European locations go, Prague seems on the whole OK.  As with 
every location, it has both advantages and disadvantages.  The 
difficulty in finding non-smoking restaurants, and the amount of 
smoke present in various locations within the hotel, were problems 
for me, but not sufficient to rule out Prague again.  The fact that 
we were given transit passes was a definite advantage.

You say that the network problems are fixable on a future visit. 
 From the NOC reports, I'd say that depends on if the hotel's provider 
replaces the APs, or guests bring their own APs (which I regret not 
doing).


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I tried to revert to ietf-nat64 when the wifi went doesn't and
unfortunately encountered two issues. One was that for whatever
reason, the DNS resolution for one of our company's vpn endpoint was
being answered as an IPv4 record. Couldn't figure out the logo why to
be honest. The second was that even after configuring a manual host
entry, my ssl Vpn client would fail to finish the connection (has some
issues with routes it needed to install locally). That I blame on the
client. My other IPSec client refused to work over v6 but was at least
very clear. "IPv6 not supported". Oh well :(





> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:08, Stuart Cheshire  wr=
ote:
>
> I=E2=80=99ve spent the entire week of this IETF meeting on the =E2=80=9Ci=
etf-nat64=E2=80=9D network, on both my iPhone and my laptop. With just one =
exception, everything has worked fine and I have not had any problems (from=
 what I=E2=80=99ve heard, the NAT64 network has actually been working *bett=
er* than the IPv4 network).
>
> The exception mentioned above was trying to pay my Amazon credit card bil=
l on-line, which involves accessing www.onlinecreditcenter6.com. That domai=
n name appears to have a broken DNS server, which doesn=E2=80=99t answer AA=
AA queries, and the failure to respond to AAAA queries results in the DNS64=
 engine returning a SERVFAIL error instead of synthesizing a AAAA record fr=
om the IPv4 address record that it does have:
>
> % host www.onlinecreditcenter6.com
> www.onlinecreditcenter6.com has address 216.74.188.135
> Host www.onlinecreditcenter6.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
>
> This seems like a fixable bug in the DNS64 engine. If a server has no IPv=
6 support, and a broken DNS server that also doesn=E2=80=99t know that IPv6=
 exists, that should not stand in the way of DNS64/NAT64 creating a communi=
cation path to the server=E2=80=99s IPv4 address.
>
> This is reminiscent of my 2008 talk at IETF 72 about the perils of blocki=
ng forever waiting for an IPv6 response that will never be coming: 
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On 7/24/15, 11:10 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Brian E Carpenter"
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>
>>
>> It seems that this a case where IETF, secretariat or anybody associated
>>to
>> the IETF has not done anything wrong. The proper concerns have be taken
>>up
>> with the company doing this before the meeting. So, this is really just
>> shame on the company itself and should be concerned as very poor
>>judgement
>> from their part.
>
>That's true, but it suggests to me that there should be written terms
>and conditions for the participating companies that make it clear that
>this sort of thing is unacceptable, and give the Secretariat the power
>to throw them out (in real time if necessary).

I didn=B9t see the people who caused the ruckus, but I did see a picture
later.
I assume that they were models hired to attract prurient engineers, and not
actually technically clueful on whatever was being demonstrated? That
would
certainly be inappropriate, not to mention in poor taste, and suggests
they think both that only men can be engineers, and that men are persuaded
by female models. Ugh.

However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from wearing
whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and your lead
developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with that. If I want to
wear a close-fitting dress to the next Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be
allowed.

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Yes, Jose, thank you for starting this discussion.

I can't say I was insulted or humiliated, though. If I was, my blood
pressure would go though the roof every other time I saw a magazine cover,
billboard ad, or TV show. Let's face reality, sex-driven advertising is
all around us. Just like ugly architecture. Except in Prague, of course.
:-)

But I was very disappointed to see that at IETF. This was my third
in-person IETF meeting. I was nervous at my first, because I had read
accounts of rampant sexism at other tech conferences, especially
game-oriented ones. But I was very pleased when I saw absolutely nothing
like that at IETF.

And I am disappointed (although not surprised) that it worked on a lot of
the guys.


	- Wendy Roome


On 07/24/2015, 10:53, "93attendees on behalf of STARK, BARBARA H"
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>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>>skirts, etc.
>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>> 
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>>like.
>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should
>>avoid it
>> (IMHO).
>
>Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing
>this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly
>didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>
>I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at
>IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
>Barbara
>
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Carsten Bormann  wrote:
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> Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>> Please keep doing the IETF in Prague.
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> +1.
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> Maybe tied with Berlin, this was the most useful venue in Europe in so
> many ways.

I rather like the venue.  It is well laid out, the meeting spaces are =
reasonable. Temperature control was fine.  There are lots of social =
spaces to have informal chats.  The restaurant food in the hotel was =
good.

I hope we come back.

For those looking for a zero crime environment, perhaps consider =
convening at McMurdo station - especially if you think meeting rooms are =
often too hot.

-- Jeff


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On Jul 24, 2015, at =
11:28 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

Carlos=
 M. Martinez wrote:
Please keep doing the IETF in Prague.

+1.

Maybe tied with Berlin, this was the most useful venue in =
Europe in so
many ways.

I rather like the venue.  It is well =
laid out, the meeting spaces are reasonable. Temperature control was =
fine.  There are lots of social spaces to have informal chats. =
 The restaurant food in the hotel was good.

I hope we come back.

For those looking for a =
zero crime environment, perhaps consider convening at McMurdo station - =
especially if you think meeting rooms are often too hot.

-- Jeff

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I agree, however I made the mistake of leaving $100 usd in a bag in my room=
 which the hotel relieved me of.

I know better than to leave any valuables in a room, forgot and pays tuitio=
n for the lesson.

Sent from my iPhone

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My personal disappointment of the occurrence itself put aside...

This thread and the previous one, as well as the apology are just _awesome_

Constructive, professional, polite and especially with this thread added won=
derfully honest.

Really makes me proud to be part of such a group.

Jon


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Wendy Roome  wrote:
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> Yes, Jose, thank you for starting this discussion.
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> I can't say I was insulted or humiliated, though. If I was, my blood
> pressure would go though the roof every other time I saw a magazine cover,=

> billboard ad, or TV show. Let's face reality, sex-driven advertising is
> all around us. Just like ugly architecture. Except in Prague, of course.
> :-)
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> But I was very disappointed to see that at IETF. This was my third
> in-person IETF meeting. I was nervous at my first, because I had read
> accounts of rampant sexism at other tech conferences, especially
> game-oriented ones. But I was very pleased when I saw absolutely nothing
> like that at IETF.
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> And I am disappointed (although not surprised) that it worked on a lot of
> the guys.
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>    - Wendy Roome
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> On 07/24/2015, 10:53, "93attendees on behalf of STARK, BARBARA H"
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>>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>>> skirts, etc.
>>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>>=20
>>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>>> like.
>>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should
>>> avoid it
>>> (IMHO).
>>=20
>> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing=

>> this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly
>> didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>>=20
>> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at
>> IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
>> Barbara
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Jose Saldana  wrote:
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short =
skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>=20
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I =
don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the =
IETF should avoid it (IMHO).

I think it is completely inappropriate at an IETF meeting.

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On 24/07/2015 22:07, Howard, Lee wrote:
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> However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from wearing
> whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and your lead
> developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with that. If I want to
> wear a close-fitting dress to the next Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be
> allowed.

We are looking forward to it.

    Brian


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On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
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> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these =
events? How would it read?  Let=E2=80=99s not go down this road.

We've had a dress code for years:
http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4

   Brian


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Brian,
    Thanks for sending this link.  I had forgotten we had a minimal
dress requirement (i.e., wearing name tags) and had mistakenly told
someone earlier today that we had no requirement to wear our name tags.

Lou

On 7/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
> ...
>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these events? How would it read?  Let’s not go down this road.
> We've had a dress code for years:
> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
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I reckon that it'll be better if the IAOC just find and copy some
good policy that will prevent a recurrance of this. I know there are
some trade shows that have introduced such policies so I'd hope
we don't have to figure this out ourselves via a protracted list
discussion of possibilities.

S.

On 24/07/15 11:47, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> My impression was that we were discussing setting an IETF policy to prohibit booth babes / scantily dressed women at vendor tables who are present strictly as sexualized objects.  That's a far cry from a dress code for attendees.
> 
> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was wearing heels, the only reason I would care would be to ask her (or him) what brand they are - heels comfortable enough to wear for a standup job like booth duty are few & far between! :)
> 
> Regards,
> Lisa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rodriguez, Iben
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:38 PM
> To: Ondrej Filip; 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
> 
> Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I’ve had to deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were to tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the world is changing. 
> 
> I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!  
> 
> Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress situation these days. It goes both ways.
> 
> Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly oppressed by their cultural situation.
> 
> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these events? How would it read?  Let’s not go down this road.
> 
> 
> On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org   on behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz  > wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the company I take the full responsibility.
> 
> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they know our company very well.
> 
> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of sensitivity. I am very sorry.
> 
> Ondrej Filip
> 
> 
> 
> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> 
> 	Hi all,
> 	In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> 	I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
> 	Best regards,
> 	Jose
> 	Sent from my smartphone
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Thank you for bringing this to the general list.

I concur with Jari's view.
Yes. The IAOC will investigate what happened in this case and review 
what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

Best regards,

Tobias Gondrom, IAOC Chair



On 24/07/15 11:35, Jari Arkko wrote:
> For what it is worth:
>
> IETF events such as the Bits-n-Bites are professional events.
>
> The practice labeled as promotional models" is not considered appropriate
> at an IETF event. I apologise for our failure to prevent this from
> happening and for anyone who has been offended.
>
> We are trying to determine what happened in this case, and I have
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    Thank you for bringing this to the general list.
      

      

      I concur with Jari's view. 

      Yes. The IAOC will investigate what happened in this case and
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      Best regards, 

      

      Tobias Gondrom, IAOC Chair

      

      

    

    
On 24/07/15 11:35, Jari Arkko wrote:

    

    

      
For what it is worth:

IETF events such as the Bits-n-Bites are professional events.

The practice labeled as promotional models" is not considered appropriate
at an IETF event. I apologise for our failure to prevent this from
happening and for anyone who has been offended.

We are trying to determine what happened in this case, and I have
asked the IAOC to set up a mechanism to prevent it from happening
again.

Jari Arkko, IETF Chair



      

      

      

      
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Stephen Farrell 
wrote:

>
> I reckon that it'll be better if the IAOC just find and copy some
> good policy that will prevent a recurrance of this. I know there are
> some trade shows that have introduced such policies so I'd hope
> we don't have to figure this out ourselves via a protracted list
> discussion of possibilities.
>

RSA Conference was mentioned previously and I found this text that could be
helpful:

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2902752/security0/rsa-conference-bans-b=
ooth-babes.html


>
> S.
>
> On 24/07/15 11:47, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > My impression was that we were discussing setting an IETF policy to
> prohibit booth babes / scantily dressed women at vendor tables who are
> present strictly as sexualized objects.  That's a far cry from a dress co=
de
> for attendees.
> >
> > Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
> wearing heels, the only reason I would care would be to ask her (or him)
> what brand they are - heels comfortable enough to wear for a standup job
> like booth duty are few & far between! :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lisa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Rodriguez, Iben
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:38 PM
> > To: Ondrej Filip; 93attendees@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
> >
> > Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I=E2=80=99ve had to deal w=
ith this
> as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of rever=
se
> discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were =
to
> tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we
> have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the gir=
ls
> need to deal with this too but the world is changing.
> >
> > I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket
> ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see
> everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
> >
> > Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role or respectfu=
l dress situation
> these days. It goes both ways.
> >
> > Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly
> oppressed by their cultural situation.
> >
> > Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these
> events? How would it read?  Let=E2=80=99s not go down this road.
> >
> >
> > On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <
> 93attendees-bounces@ietf.org   on
> behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz  > wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> > First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
> >
> > Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> > But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees although
> not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they know our compa=
ny
> very well.
> >
> > Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
> >
> > Ondrej Filip
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> >
> >       Hi all,
> >       In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in shor=
t
> skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> >       I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I
> don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF
> should avoid it (IMHO).
> >       Best regards,
> >       Jose
> >       Sent from my smartphone
> >       _______________________________________________
> >       93attendees mailing list
> >       93attendees@ietf.org 
> >       https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Stephen Farrell <=
stephen.farr=
ell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:


I reckon that it'll be better if the IAOC just find and copy some

good policy that will prevent a recurrance of this. I know there are

some trade shows that have introduced such policies so I'd hope

we don't have to figure this out ourselves via a protracted list

discussion of possibilities.

RSA Confer=
ence was mentioned previously and I found this text that could be helpful:<=
/div>

http://www.networkworl=
d.com/article/2902752/security0/rsa-conference-bans-booth-babes.html
=C2=A0



S.




On 24/07/15 11:47, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:

> My impression was that we were discussing setting an IETF policy to pr=
ohibit booth babes / scantily dressed women at vendor tables who are presen=
t strictly as sexualized objects.=C2=A0 That's a far cry from a dress c=
ode for attendees.

>

> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo =
was wearing heels, the only reason I would care would be to ask her (or him=
) what brand they are - heels comfortable enough to wear for a standup job =
like booth duty are few & far between! :)

>

> Regards,

> Lisa

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rodriguez, Iben

> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:38 PM

> To: Ondrej Filip; 93attendees@=
ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy

>

> Of course there are 2 sides to every story.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had to =
deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this =
type of reverse discrimination based on the way they dress at school.=C2=A0=
 If a teacher were to tell them their clothing style is distracting to the =
boys in the class we have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.=C2=
=A0 Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the world is cha=
nging.

>

> I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacke=
t ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see e=
veryone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!

>

> Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role or respectf=
ul dress situation these days. It goes both ways.

>

> Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly=
 oppressed by their cultural situation.

>

> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these=
 events? How would it read?=C2=A0 Let=E2=80=99s not go down this road.

>

>

> On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip"=
; <93attendees-bounces@i=
etf.org <mailto:93at=
tendees-bounces@ietf.org>=C2=A0 on behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz <mailto:ondrej.filip@nic.cz> > wrote:

>

> Hello!

> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am rea=
lly sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the company=
 I take the full responsibility.

>

> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working =
with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.

> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them j=
ust for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees although no=
t a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they know our company v=
ery well.

>

> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of se=
nsitivity. I am very sorry.

>

> Ondrej Filip

>

>

>

> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi all,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with=
 the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disr=
espectful.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I mean, using women just for "decorativ=
e" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs=
, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best regards,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jose

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent from my smartphone

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0____________________________________________=
___

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A093attendees mailing list

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A093at=
tendees@ietf.org <mailto:93a=
ttendees@ietf.org>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org=
/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

>

>

>




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On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
> ...
>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.
> We've had a dress code for years:
> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4

I resemble that code!

I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them 
to an IETF....



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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
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> However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
> wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
> your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
> that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
> Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.

In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
(and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
exercising any freedom to dress.


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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:37:31AM +0000,
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> I’ve had to deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are
> experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the way
> they dress at school.  If a teacher were to tell them their clothing
> style is distracting to the boys in the class we have a talk with
> that teacher there, and the boys.

I agree, but:

> Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress
> situation these days. It goes both ways.

In this specific case (the "booth babes" during the Bits'n'Bytes
event), the women were not exercising their freedom to dress as they
want, they were on duty and had an uniform chosen by their
employer. So, I agree with your arguments but they don't apply here.

> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
> these events? 

I hope not. Most of these "codes of conduct" and other written
policies are lame, anyway, such as

which says "Those who participate in the IETF are expected to behave
according to professional standards" as if amateurs were allowed to
harass at will. But, here, it was not IETF participants deciding to
dress in strange and unusual (and objectionable for some people) ways,
it was a company deciding to hire professional booth babes, which is
quite different.


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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:58:00AM -0400,
 Kathleen Moriarty  wrote 
 a message of 279 lines which said:

> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2902752/security0/rsa-conference-bans-booth-babes.html

I think that RSA's policy (as written in this article, I did not check
the original) is exactly what we should avoid: puritan, limiting the
freedom to dress, sexist ("Tops displaying excessive cleavage", a rule
which is only for women).


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On 7/24/2015 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>> ...
>>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for 
>>> these events? How would it read? Lets not go down this road.
>> We've had a dress code for years:
>> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
>
> I resemble that code!
>
> I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them 
> to an IETF....
>

Many many years ago at the Cocoa Beach IETF I remember looking to my 
right and seeing a not quite dripping wet attendee in bathing suit and 
t-shirt who had used the break to take a quick dip in the ocean.

Mike


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On 7/24/15 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>> ...
>>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
>>> these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.
>> We've had a dress code for years:
>> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
>
> I resemble that code!
>
> I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them
> to an IETF....

I don't follow the logic of that reference. We provide lanyards for 
badges, so shirts should also be optional. The badge is the one truly 
non-optional piece of apparel. (You can be discrete by adjusting the 
lanyard.)

OTOH, we (usually) conveniently provide free t-shirts for the 
shirt-challenged.

	Thanks,
	Paul


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On 7/24/15, 1:02 PM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer"  wrote:

>On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
> Howard, Lee  wrote
> a message of 57 lines which said:
>
>> However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
>> wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
>> your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
>> that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
>> Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.
>
>In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
>the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
>strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
>(and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
>dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
>exercising any freedom to dress.

Agreed. I was cautioning against reacting with a policy that went
too far.

Lee


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> =D4=DA 2015=C4=EA7=D4=C224=C8=D5=A3=AC13:02=A3=ACStephane Bortzmeyer =
 =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA
>=20
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
> Howard, Lee  wrote=20
> a message of 57 lines which said:
>=20
>> However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
>> wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
>> your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
>> that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
>> Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.
>=20
> In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
> the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
> strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
> (and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
> dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
> exercising any freedom to dress.

Yes. I agree.

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Hello Stuart,

Interestingly enough, I had the exact same bug this morning on =
ietf-nat64, with a payment system as well.

DNS was returning a A address but no AAAA.

- Pierre


> Le 24 juil. 2015 =C3=A0 11:07, Stuart Cheshire =
 a =C3=A9crit :
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> I=E2=80=99ve spent the entire week of this IETF meeting on the =
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bill on-line, which involves accessing www.onlinecreditcenter6.com. That =
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
>  Howard, Lee  wrote
>  a message of 57 lines which said:
>
> > However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
> > wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
> > your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
> > that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
> > Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.
>
> In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
> the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
> strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
> (and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
> dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
> exercising any freedom to dress.
>
>
Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,
I wonder how much is the IETF's own fault.  If the bits&bytes
is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
(more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked
if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are
appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the
contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.

I guess you are assuming their attire was mandated by the employer.
What if it was their choice? Certainly complicates the issue.


Andy

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer =
<bortzmeyer+=
ietf@nic.fr> wrote:
On Fri,=
 Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,

=C2=A0Howard, Lee <lee.howard@=
twcable.com> wrote

=C2=A0a message of 57 lines which said:



> However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from

> wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and

> your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with

> that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next

> Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.



In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exa=
ctly

the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I

strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want

(and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be

dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not

exercising any freedom to dress.



Although I agree this incident was ina=
ppropriate for an IETF,
I wonder how much is the IETF's own f=
ault.=C2=A0 If the bits&bytes
is advertised to vendors as a t=
rade show, and they are charged money
(more than a trade show), t=
hen the IETF should not be shocked
if a vendor thinks their norma=
l trade show procedures are
appropriate for this venue.=C2=A0 The=
 IETF should made sure the
contract with the vendor is clear wrt/=
 the dress code.

I guess you are assuming their at=
tire was mandated by the employer.
What if it was their choice? C=
ertainly complicates the issue.


And=
y


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Hi guys,

sorry, just a small question (that probably already has been answered 
before, but can't find it):
I notice some people taking pictures at the plenary and the social and 
would be interested in the photos.
Would be nice to see them.

Will they be / are some already posted online?
Anywhere URLs?

Thanks, Tobias




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    Hi guys, 

      

      sorry, just a small question (that probably already has been
      answered before, but can't find it): 

      I notice some people taking pictures at the plenary and the social
      and would be interested in the photos. 

      Would be nice to see them. 

      

      Will they be / are some already posted online? 

      Anywhere URLs? 

      

      Thanks, Tobias

      

      

      

    
  


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Hi Patrik,

afaik it has only been recorded by me in bad quality from my laptop [0]

If anyone else has a better recording, it would be great.

Both Rich [1] and I [2] live tweeted it. Perhaps we should storify that.

Here are some quotes I typed out based on my recording (for discussion
at hrpc proposed RG):

Universal declaration of HUman Rights , US constitution, UCCPR, they
all say that rights should be protected against arbitrary
interference. [...] Unfortunately the Internet has provided a very
cheap and effective means to interfere with it.

[...]

Human rights are difficult to enforce all around the world [..] The
Internet you access in France should be the same as the Internet you
access in China.

[...]

When you think about access, you should think about
non-discrimination, how do you enforce non-discrimination on the
network.  [..] What are the mechanism through which discrimination
works? It's by identification, by association. By anonymizing people,
by allowing themselves to divorce themselves from being visible
members of a minority group, religious group, political affiliation
that could get them jailed, if you allow them to divorce themselves
for this identity through technology, you're providing human rights.

Best,

Niels



[0] http://nielstenoever.net/Edward%20Snowden%20at%20IETF93.mp3
[1] https://twitter.com/RichSalz
[2] https://twitter.com/Conflictmedia


On 07/19/2015 10:56 PM, Patrik Wallstrom wrote:
> Has the Q&A been recorded?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 jul 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding,
>> and especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
>> 
>> Lee
>> 
>> On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham" 
>> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in
>>> Congress Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome
>>> reception.
>>> 
>>> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>>> 
>>> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own
>>> drinks/snacks, and see you there!
>>> 
>>> -- Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Thank you to the hosts of IETF93, the sponsors, network staff and all who made this possible.

It is a huge task!

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Thread-Topic: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
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Because it is likely that plastic corners of the badge holder will be annoy=
ingly scratchy to the shirtless (though golem didn't complain)?=20

( I think lanyards were less common when the text was originally written.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Paul Kyzivat  wrote:
>=20
>> On 7/24/15 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
>>>> these events? How would it read?  Let=92s not go down this road.
>>> We've had a dress code for years:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
>>=20
>> I resemble that code!
>>=20
>> I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them
>> to an IETF....
>=20
> I don't follow the logic of that reference. We provide lanyards for badge=
s, so shirts should also be optional. The badge is the one truly non-option=
al piece of apparel. (You can be discrete by adjusting the lanyard.)
>=20
> OTOH, we (usually) conveniently provide free t-shirts for the shirt-chall=
enged.
>=20
>    Thanks,
>    Paul
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From: Tore Anderson 
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* Diego Garcia del Rio

> I tried to revert to ietf-nat64 when the wifi went doesn't and
> unfortunately encountered two issues. One was that for whatever
> reason, the DNS resolution for one of our company's vpn endpoint was
> being answered as an IPv4 record. Couldn't figure out the logo why to
> be honest.

Hi Diego,

DNS64 does not filter out IPv4 addresses; IN A records are returned
normally. The synthetic IPv6 IN AAAA responses are returned *in
addition* to the upstream IN A records (assuming the application
queries for both). So what you describe is actually expected behaviour.

FWIW I spent most of my time on ietf-nat64 as well, using Linux with
464XLAT. It was working very nicely, and I think better than plain
"ietf", except for some connectivity issues I had on Tuesday
(periodically losing the ability to communicate with the default router
and beyond with unicast frames). That was not a NAT64 problem though,
but an IPv6-only problem that applied to ietf-v6only as well -
as I understand it, the wireless infrastructure assumed that clients
without a (non-169.254.0.0/16) IPv4 address weren't at all interested in
having network connectivity...

Tore


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Dne 24.7.2015 v 12:20 Wiley, Glen napsal(a):
> I agree, however I made the mistake of leaving $100 usd in a bag in my =
room which the hotel relieved me of.

WHAT? Do I understand correctly that you left $100 in locked room and it
disappeared?! In Hilton?!
I would certainly not expect something like that. Have you notified the
hotel staff?

The only plausible explanation would be that it has been misinterpreted
as a tip for maid.

Cheers,
Ond=C5=99ej Caletka


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On 07/24/2015 01:34 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> On 7/24/15 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
>>>> these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.
>>> We've had a dress code for years:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
>>
>> I resemble that code!
>>
>> I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them
>> to an IETF....
>
> I don't follow the logic of that reference. We provide lanyards for 
> badges, so shirts should also be optional. The badge is the one truly 
> non-optional piece of apparel. (You can be discrete by adjusting the 
> lanyard.)
>
> OTOH, we (usually) conveniently provide free t-shirts for the 
> shirt-challenged.

T-shirts just don't go well with suit jackets and it is challenging to 
keep a tie neat when wearing one!  Though if you remember back to the 
Memphis IETF, I DID wear my IAB shirt over my white shirt and tie and 
under my suit jacket!

As Popeye said:

I yam what I yam.


Oh, and I dislike lanyards.  They are too sloppy.  So I keep my old 
clipon badge holders and reuse them year-to-year.



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On 07/24/2015 04:43 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote:
> Because it is likely that plastic corners of the badge holder will be annoyingly scratchy to the shirtless (though golem didn't complain)?

The Golem never complained.  He did his job as instructed.  He is still 
there, 'asleep' under the pile of old prayer books, in the attic of the 
Maharal's shul.  Waiting until he is needed again.

>
> ( I think lanyards were less common when the text was originally written.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Paul Kyzivat  wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/24/15 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>>> On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
>>>>> these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.
>>>> We've had a dress code for years:
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4
>>> I resemble that code!
>>>
>>> I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them
>>> to an IETF....
>> I don't follow the logic of that reference. We provide lanyards for badges, so shirts should also be optional. The badge is the one truly non-optional piece of apparel. (You can be discrete by adjusting the lanyard.)
>>
>> OTOH, we (usually) conveniently provide free t-shirts for the shirt-challenged.
>>
>>     Thanks,
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On 07/24/2015 04:43 PM, Pat (Patricia)
      Thaler wrote:

    

    

      
Because it is likely that plastic corners of the badge holder will be annoyingly scratchy to the shirtless (though golem didn't complain)? 

    

    

    The Golem never complained. He did his job as instructed. He is
    still there, 'asleep' under the pile of old prayer books, in the
    attic of the Maharal's shul. Waiting until he is needed again.

    

    

      

( I think lanyards were less common when the text was originally written.

Sent from my iPhone



      

        
On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:



        

          
On 7/24/15 7:05 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:




          

            
On 07/24/2015 12:43 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:


            

              
On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
...
Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for
these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.


            

            
We've had a dress code for years:
http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4


          

          
I resemble that code!

I can't see wasting any money buying slacks or jeans just to wear them
to an IETF....


        

        
I don't follow the logic of that reference. We provide lanyards for badges, so shirts should also be optional. The badge is the one truly non-optional piece of apparel. (You can be discrete by adjusting the lanyard.)

OTOH, we (usually) conveniently provide free t-shirts for the shirt-challenged.

   Thanks,
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On 07/24/2015 05:36 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
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>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Rodriguez, Iben 
>> > wrote:
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>> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for 
>> these events? How would it read?  Lets not go down this road.
>
> We have one. We have had for some time.
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> https://www.ietf.org/tao.html, section 3.4.

I will say that when I saw some well dressed young people at the bits n 
bytes, I just assumed they were going out for the evening directly from 
the gathering and did not want to allocate time to change later.  
Perhaps there was a chamber music performance somewhere nearby!  (not 
that Charlie's playing should be missed if you hung around that long!)

No big deal to see someone not dressed in IETF t-shirts and worn jeans....



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On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Rodriguez, Iben
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Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress
              code policy for these events? How would it read? Lets
              not go down this road.

          

        

        

      

      
We have one. We have had for some time.

      


      

      
    

    

    I will say that when I saw some well dressed young people at the
    bits n bytes, I just assumed they were going out for the evening
    directly from the gathering and did not want to allocate time to
    change later. Perhaps there was a chamber music performance
    somewhere nearby! (not that Charlie's playing should be missed if
    you hung around that long!)

    

    No big deal to see someone not dressed in IETF t-shirts and worn
    jeans....

    

    

  


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> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was =
wearing heels,

I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These =
gals weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They =
were there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for =
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler =
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> I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to =
deal with this. Some of our attendees wear shorts. I=E2=80=99d hate to =
see staff running around with rulers to decide that shorts or skirts are =
too short, etc.

I am not asking for a dress code. I merely think that an IETF meeting is =
not a sales event, and shouldn't be operated as one.


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On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler <pthaler@broadcom.com> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implementing a =
dress code as a way to deal with this. Some of our attendees wear =
shorts. I=E2=80=99d hate to see staff running around with rulers to =
decide that shorts or skirts are too short, etc. 

I am not asking for a dress code. I merely =
think that an IETF meeting is not a sales event, and shouldn't be =
operated as one.

=

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Be glad they didn't charge you for
the water.  I've had a restaurant to
charge me $1.50 for a cup of hot
water.






________________________________
From: 93attendees [93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Mike Bishop [=
Michael.Bishop@microsoft.com]
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:14 AM
To: Aaron Falk; 93attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [93attendees] so, was there any crime?

I had a restaurant charge me for something I didn=92t order (or receive), a=
nd I didn=92t catch it until I was adding the receipt to my expense report.=
  Whether that=92s padding sales at the expense of a foreigner or an honest=
 mistake (someone at another table got a free beer?), we=92ll never know.

Everything else has gone without a hitch.  I=92d be happy to return here.

From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron =
Falk
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:13 AM
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Subject: [93attendees] so, was there any crime?

I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in genera=
l), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been a great city for=
 an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the food and beer =
were cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was reasonable cost.  As mos=
t folks have experienced, there were some bumps (hotel reservations, networ=
k stability) but they seemed transient and fixable in a future visit.  Did =
the threats of pickpockets materialize?

--aaron


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Andy,

You raise a great point. See below.


On July 24, 2015 4:00:51 PM Andy Bierman  wrote:

>
> Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,

I too completely agree.

> I wonder how much is the IETF's own fault.

I personally think this is an important point.  While the ietf  hosts the 
event and expect our norms and values to be followed, we are guests in - at 
least most of us - a foreign country with local laws, customs and norms.

>  If the bits&bytes
> is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
> (more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked
> if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are
> appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the
> contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.
>

And beyond contracts it is also, and only in my personal option, incumbent 
on us as a community to work with the hosts and demonstrators to ensure 
that their behavior is ietf culturally appropriate.

Lou
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Andy,


You raise a great point. See
below.


On July 24, 2015 4:00:51 PM
Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:


> 

> Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,


I too completely agree.


> I wonder how much is the
IETF's own fault.


I personally think this is an
important point.  While the ietf  hosts the event and expect our
norms and values to be followed, we are guests in - at least most of us - a
foreign country with local laws, customs and norms.


>  If the
bits&bytes

> is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money

> (more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked

> if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are

> appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the

> contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.

>


And beyond contracts it is
also, and only in my personal option, incumbent on us as a community to
work with the hosts and demonstrators to ensure that their behavior is ietf
culturally appropriate.  


Lou

> ...






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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Fred Baker (fred)  wrote:

>
> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin  > wrote:
> >
> > Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
> wearing heels,
>
> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them.


Oh, come on... You've got me already, what more could y'all possibly want?!

W


>  These gals weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern.
> They were there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for
> that.
>


-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin <llorenzin@pulsesecure.net> wrote:

>

> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo =
was wearing heels,



I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them.

Oh, come o=
n... You've got me already, what more could y'all poss=
ibly want?!

W
=C2=A0
=C2=A0These gals weren't engineers. That, at least for=
 my part, was my concern. They were there to attract nearby guys to the tab=
le. Life is too short for that.




-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant whe=
n it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting r=
abid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen th=
ose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf=



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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Lou Berger  wrote:

>  Andy,
>
> You raise a great point. See below.
>
> On July 24, 2015 4:00:51 PM Andy Bierman  wrote:
>
> >
> > Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,
>
> I too completely agree.
>
> > I wonder how much is the IETF's own fault.
>
> I personally think this is an important point.  While the ietf  hosts the
> event and expect our norms and values to be followed, we are guests in - at
> least most of us - a foreign country with local laws, customs and norms.
>
> >  If the bits&bytes
> > is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
> > (more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked
> > if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are
> > appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the
> > contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.
> >
>
> And beyond contracts it is also, and only in my personal option, incumbent
> on us as a community to work with the hosts and demonstrators to ensure
> that their behavior is ietf culturally appropriate.
>


yes -- that was my point.
I don't really blame the company for confusing bits & bytes with a trade
show,
since that is what the IETF is selling them.  But in this case they seemed
confused on the trade. (Thought I was at the LA Auto Show at first ;-)



>  Lou
> > ...
>

Andy

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net><=
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Andy,


You raise a great point. See
below.


On July 24, 2015 4:00:51 PM
Andy Bierman <an=
dy@yumaworks.com> wrote:


> 

> Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,


I too completely agree.


> I wonder how much is the
IETF's own fault.


I personally think this is an
important point.=C2=A0 While the ietf=C2=A0 hosts the event and expect our
norms and values to be followed, we are guests in - at least most of us - a
foreign country with local laws, customs and norms.


>=C2=A0 If the
bits&bytes

> is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
> (more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked

> if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are

> appropriate for this venue.=C2=A0 The IETF should made sure the

> contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.

>


And beyond contracts it is
also, and only in my personal option, incumbent on us as a community to
work with the hosts and demonstrators to ensure that their behavior is ietf
culturally appropriate.=C2=A0


yes -- that was my point.
I don't really bl=
ame the company for confusing bits & bytes with a trade show,
since that is what the IETF is selling them.=C2=A0 But in this case they s=
eemed
confused on the trade. (Thought I was at the LA Auto Show a=
t first ;-)

=C2=A0
 


Lou

> ...
=C2=A0
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Ouch!  Incredible.   I guess times are
tough all over, not just in Greece.


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 I've had a restaurant to
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I'm with Fred.

However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussions 
with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par with 
many of the questions...

They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software engineers 
working on the product to the booth on events like this.

Best regards,
  Richard


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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin  
> wrote:
>
> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was 
> wearing heels,

I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These gals 
weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They were 
there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.


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I also do not object the girls. They were only there to handle balls.
On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 PM, "Richard Scheffenegger"  wrote:

> I'm with Fred.
>
> However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussions
> with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par with
> many of the questions...
>
> They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software engineers
> working on the product to the booth on events like this.
>
> Best regards,
>  Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker (fred)" 
> To: "Lisa Lorenzin" 
> Cc: "Rodriguez, Iben" ; "Ondrej Filip" <
> ondrej.filip@nic.cz>; <93attendees@ietf.org>
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>  On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin 
>> wrote:
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>> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
>> wearing heels,
>>
>
> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These gals
> weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They were
> there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.
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I also do not object the girls. They were only there to hand=
le balls.


On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 PM, "Richard Scheffene=
gger" <rscheff@gmx.at> wro=
te:
I'm with Fre=
d.



However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussions w=
ith the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par with =
many of the questions...



They would=C2=A0 have had to bring the actual electrical and software engin=
eers working on the product to the booth on events like this.



Best regards,

=C2=A0Richard





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Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was w=
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I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These gals =
weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They wer=
e there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.






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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Richard Scheffenegger  wro=
te:
> I'm with Fred.
>
> However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussions
> with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par wi=
th
> many of the questions...

tee-hee. That's because I sucked ondrej outside and grilled him about
what they were doing for an hour!


> They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software engineer=
s
> working on the product to the booth on events like this.

I am extremely encouraged by what they are doing. They are using the
most open chip on the market today (armada 385), which has truly
excellent linux support for many features and offloads, it is fast
enough to drive gigE well, and there is quite a bit of optimization
that can be done to make it even better like adding bql to driver and
toning down the

(the same chip is also in the linksys 1200ac v2, which we have had a
great deal of success with thus far)

Their intent seems to be to produce an entirely open design, which
could be used as CPE and home router devices, the board and design
rebranded by various ODMS and ISPs, utilized with SFP and a choice of
wifi cards, and they got a key design criteria of mine right - there
are *real* ethernet ports for the wan and lan interfaces, which makes
things like link detection, hardware flow control, and fq_codel "just
work" -- which is not the case on nearly all new cpe designs which
route everything through the switch.

They also made a priority automatic updates for openwrt, which warms
the cockles of my heart.

This box is now my prime candidate for a renewed cerowrt-like effort
to produce a extremely capable home router, suitable for further R&D
into better, faster, safer edge gateways, and certainly could do
homenet better than nearly everything else currently on the market.

I hope to look more into the board, and various pcie based 802.11ac
cards in the coming months, to tackle wifi part of the problem, but
despite the unfortunate choice of marketing methods, am utterly
delighted with them having been there at this bits and bytes.

This was the best bits and bytes ever, IMHO, on every other front.

> Best regards,
>  Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker (fred)" 
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> Cc: "Rodriguez, Iben" ; "Ondrej Filip"
> ; <93attendees@ietf.org>
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>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin 
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>>
>> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
>> wearing heels,
>
>
> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These gal=
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> there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.
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i am happy to have missed all this but ..

> They were there to attract nearby guys to the table

and who allows this to attract them?  shame on us.

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dress code: should the models be dressed in national costumes, or local=20
code, would that be more acceptable?

Alex

Le 24/07/2015 12:37, Rodriguez, Iben a =E9crit :
> Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I=92ve had to deal with=20
> this as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type=20
> of reverse discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a =

> teacher were to tell them their clothing style is distracting to the=20
> boys in the class we have a talk with that teacher there, and the=20
> boys.  Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the=20
> world is changing.
>
> I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and=20
> jacket ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked=20
> in I see everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
>
> Let=92s not pass judgement on someone=92s role or respectful dress=20
> situation these days. It goes both ways.
>
> Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly =

> oppressed by their cultural situation.
>
> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these =

> events? How would it read?  Let=92s not go down this road.
>
>
> On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip"=20
> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org  on =

> behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz > wrote:
>
> Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
>
> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
> know our company very well.
>
> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>
> Ondrej Filip
>
>
>
> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>     In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>     skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>     I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I
>     don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But
>     the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
>     Best regards,
>     Jose
>     Sent from my smartphone
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    dress code: should the models be dressed i=
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      national costumes, or local code, would that be more acceptable?
      

      Alex

      

    
    
Le 24/07/2015 12:37, Rodriguez, Iben a=

      =E9crit=A0:

    

    

      
      

        
Of course there are 2 sides to every story. =A0I=92ve had to=

          deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are
          experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the
          way they dress at school. =A0If a teacher were to tell them
          their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class
          we have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.
          =A0Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the
          world is changing.=A0

        


        

        
I came to the conference for the first time with a suit
          coat and jacket ready to dress up as if for a business
          meeting. When I checked in I see everyone in t-shirts and
          shorts. This is great! =A0

        


        

        

          
Let=92s not pass judgement on someone=92s role or respectf=
ul
            dress situation these days. It goes both ways.

        

        


        

        
Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those
          that are truly oppressed by their cultural situation.

        


        

        
Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code
          policy for these events? How would it read? =A0Let=92s not go d=
own
          this road.

        

          

            

              


              

            

          

        

      

      


      

      
        
        


        

        

          

            
Hello!

            
First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt
              offended. I am

            
really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and
              as a CEO of the

            
company I take the full responsibility.

            


            

            
Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies
              have been working

            
with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time
              employees.

            
But I am telling this to explain that they we have not
              employed them

            
just for the purpose of this event. Both have
              university degrees

            
although not a technical background in IETF related
              stuff. But they

            
know our company very well.

            


            

            
Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for
              our lack of

            
sensitivity. I am very sorry.

            


            

            
O=
ndrej
              Filip

            


            

            


            

            


            

            
On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:

            

              
Hi all,

              
In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the
                young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's
                say ... disrespectful.

              
I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is
                something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs,
                sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).<=
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Yes, thanks for the excellent organization, I am very happy.

One particular plus: the IETF Attendee room reserved on a FCFS basis.  I =

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This is an excellent idea, thanks.

A particular minus: I was still on the ietf-legacy essid.  Part of the=20
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    Yes, thanks for the excellent organization=
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      One particular plus: the IETF Attendee room reserved on a FCFS
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d
      another informal meeting booked by someone else.=A0 I even lent
      30min of my time to someone in urgent need.

      

      This is an excellent idea, thanks.

      

      A particular minus: I was still on the ietf-legacy essid.=A0 Part o=
f
      the reason is because of Certificate Authorities.=A0 IETF should no=
t
      assume that public CAs are trusted by everybody.

      

      But again, thanks for everything, it was very good.

      

      Alex

      PS: ah, and I forgot, the 'movie screening' Sunday evening - that
      was a memorable event.

      

    
    
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Thank you to the hosts of IETF93, the sponsors, netw=
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It is a huge task!

Well done!
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And I hear today Fiat called back 1million(!) such vehicles following=20
that risk.

Imagine the costs.  NExt time think it better...

Alex

Le 21/07/2015 16:17, Dan York a =E9crit :
> Given the topic of this morning's technical plenary, I thought it was=20
> an interesting bit of synchronicity that this article appeared on=20
> Wired today:
>
> Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway=97With Me in It
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> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
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> ... and the article references legislation that will apparently be=20
> introduced in the US Congress today: "WIRED has learned that senators=20
> Ed Markey and Richard Blumenthal plan to introduce an automotive=20
> security bill today to set new digital security standards for cars and =

> trucks".
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> The security researchers are apparently going to be releasing more=20
> information about their work and the vulnerabilities they found at=20
> Black Hat in Las Vegas next month.  The article indicates they have=20
> been working with Chrysler for some months to get fixes available,=20
> although it sounds like getting the fix applied to vehicles involves a =

> manual step and so many may remain unpatched.
>
> The attackers were able to access and manipulate the Jeep over the=20
> cellular network from their home by virtue of knowing the car's IP=20
> address.  (Exact mechanism of the attack to be disclosed next month.)=20
>  Once connected they were able to rewrite firmware and make various=20
> modifications to the vehicle's actions.
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> As our speakers discussed this morning in the plenary, there are a=20
> wide range of security issues that need to be addressed, particularly=20
> as these wired-up cars are connected to the global Internet.
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> Dan
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> P.S. Threads are naturally active on HN and Reddit:
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> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D9921557
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    And I hear today Fiat called back
      1million(!) such vehicles following that risk.

      

      Imagine the costs.=A0 NExt time think it better...

      

      Alex

      

    Le 21/07/2015 16:17, Dan York a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
      
Given the topic of this morning's technical plenary=
,
        I thought it was an interesting bit of synchronicity that this
        article appeared on Wired today:

      


      

      
Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway=97With =
Me
        in=A0It

      


      

      
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-j=
eep-highway/

      


      

      
... and the article references legislation that wil=
l
        apparently be introduced in the US Congress today: "WIRED has
        learned that senators Ed Markey and Richard Blumenthal plan
        to=A0introduce an automotive security bill today to=A0set new
        digital security=A0standards for cars and trucks".

      


      

      
The security researchers are apparently going to be=

        releasing more information about their work and the
        vulnerabilities they found at Black Hat in Las Vegas next month.
        =A0The article indicates they have been working with Chrysler for=

        some months to get fixes available, although it sounds like
        getting the fix applied to vehicles involves a manual step and
        so many may remain unpatched.

      


      

      
The attackers were able to access and manipulate th=
e
        Jeep over the cellular network from their home by virtue of
        knowing the car's IP address. =A0(Exact mechanism of the attack t=
o
        be disclosed next month.) =A0Once connected they were able to
        rewrite firmware and make various modifications to the vehicle's
        actions.

      


      

      
As our speakers discussed this morning in the
        plenary, there are a wide range of security issues that need to
        be addressed, particularly as these wired-up cars are connected
        to the global Internet. =A0

      


      

      
Dan

      


      

      
P.S. Threads are naturally active on HN and Reddit:=


      


      

      
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D9921557

      
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3e23ge/=
hackers_remotely_kill_a_jeep_on_the_highway/=A0

      


      

      


      

      


      

      


      

      


      

      

      

      

      
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Ondrej -

Hello from Jane.  We have worked with you and the awesome Adam G on IX
work.  Can=B9t thank you enough for donating your time to help out with IX
development.  We know that your team is really good at what you do.  Thank
you for having us in your amazing city/country.

Be well until we all meet again and we may be pestering you for your
expertise and help in the future.

Best,
Jane

On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz> wrote:

>Hello!
>First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
>really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
>company I take the full responsibility.
>
>Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
>with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
>But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
>just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
>although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
>know our company very well.
>
>Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
>sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>
>		Ondrej Filip
>
>
>
>On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>=20
>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>>skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>=20
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>>like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF
>>should avoid it (IMHO).
>>=20
>> Best regards,
>>=20
>> Jose
>>=20
>> Sent from my smartphone
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>
>
>--=20
> (  CZ.NIC z.s.p.o.                              )
> -------------------------------------------------
>  Ondrej Filip  -  CEO
>
>  Office : Milesovska 5, Praha 3,  Czech Republic
>  Email  : ondrej.filip@nic.cz  http://www.nic.cz
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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Dave Taht  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Richard Scheffenegger  > wrote:
> > I'm with Fred.
> >
> > However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussio=
ns
> > with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par
> with
> > many of the questions...
>
> tee-hee. That's because I sucked ondrej outside and grilled him about
> what they were doing for an hour!
>
>
> > They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software
> engineers
> > working on the product to the booth on events like this.
>
> I am extremely encouraged by what they are doing. They are using the
> most open chip on the market today (armada 385), which has truly
> excellent linux support for many features and offloads, it is fast
> enough to drive gigE well, and there is quite a bit of optimization
> that can be done to make it even better like adding bql to driver and
> toning down the
>
> (the same chip is also in the linksys 1200ac v2, which we have had a
> great deal of success with thus far)
>
> Their intent seems to be to produce an entirely open design, which
> could be used as CPE and home router devices, the board and design
> rebranded by various ODMS and ISPs, utilized with SFP and a choice of
> wifi cards, and they got a key design criteria of mine right - there
> are *real* ethernet ports for the wan and lan interfaces, which makes
> things like link detection, hardware flow control, and fq_codel "just
> work" -- which is not the case on nearly all new cpe designs which
> route everything through the switch.
>
> They also made a priority automatic updates for openwrt, which warms
> the cockles of my heart.


+ lots.

I have, and use, a Turis box at home as my primary CPE. It has some great
features and they all Just Work.

It has a good graphical UI for when you just want to quickly look at
something, but still gives you access to all of the underlying stuff then
you need something more powerful. It automagically updates itself when
needed, and fulfills my primary requirement - I don't have to think about
it...


> This box is now my prime candidate for a renewed cerowrt-like effort
> to produce a extremely capable home router, suitable for further R&D
> into better, faster, safer edge gateways, and certainly could do
> homenet better than nearly everything else currently on the market.
>
> I hope to look more into the board, and various pcie based 802.11ac
> cards in the coming months, to tackle wifi part of the problem, but
> despite the unfortunate choice of marketing methods, am utterly
> delighted with them having been there at this bits and bytes.
>
> This was the best bits and bytes ever, IMHO, on every other front.
>
> > Best regards,
> >  Richard
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker (fred)"  >
> > To: "Lisa Lorenzin" >
> > Cc: "Rodriguez, Iben" >;
> "Ondrej Filip"
> > >; <93attendees@ietf.org
> >
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 5:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
> >> wearing heels,
> >
> >
> > I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These
> gals
> > weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They wer=
e
> > there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.
> >
> >
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> --
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> worldwide bufferbloat report:
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat
> And:
> What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone?
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast
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--=20
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Richard Scheffenegger <rscheff@gmx.at> wrote:

> I'm with Fred.

>

> However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussi=
ons

> with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par=
 with

> many of the questions...



tee-hee. That's because I sucked ondrej outside and grilled him about
what they were doing for an hour!





> They would=C2=A0 have had to bring the actual electrical and software =
engineers

> working on the product to the booth on events like this.



I am extremely encouraged by what they are doing. They are using the

most open chip on the market today (armada 385), which has truly

excellent linux support for many features and offloads, it is fast

enough to drive gigE well, and there is quite a bit of optimization

that can be done to make it even better like adding bql to driver and

toning down the



(the same chip is also in the linksys 1200ac v2, which we have had a

great deal of success with thus far)



Their intent seems to be to produce an entirely open design, which

could be used as CPE and home router devices, the board and design

rebranded by various ODMS and ISPs, utilized with SFP and a choice of

wifi cards, and they got a key design criteria of mine right - there

are *real* ethernet ports for the wan and lan interfaces, which makes

things like link detection, hardware flow control, and fq_codel "just<=
br>
work" -- which is not the case on nearly all new cpe designs which

route everything through the switch.



They also made a priority automatic updates for openwrt, which warms

the cockles of my heart.

+ lots.
=

I have, and use, a Turis box at home as my primary CPE. It h=
as some great features and they all Just Work.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=

It has a good graphical=C2=A0UI for when you just want to quickly look=
 at something, but still gives you access to all of the underlying stuff th=
en you need something more powerful. It automagically updates itself when n=
eeded, and fulfills my=C2=A0primary requirement - I don't have to think=
 about it...




This box is now my prime candidate for a renewed cerowrt-like effort

to produce a extremely capable home router, suitable for further R&D
into better, faster, safer edge gateways, and certainly could do

homenet better than nearly everything else currently on the market.



I hope to look more into the board, and various pcie based 802.11ac

cards in the coming months, to tackle wifi part of the problem, but

despite the unfortunate choice of marketing methods, am utterly

delighted with them having been there at this bits and bytes.



This was the best bits and bytes ever, IMHO, on every other front.



> Best regards,

>=C2=A0 Richard

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker (fred)" <<=
a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, 'cvml', 'fred@cisc=
o.com')">fred@cisco.com>

> To: "Lisa Lorenzin" <llorenzin@p=
ulsesecure.net>

> Cc: "Rodriguez, Iben" <Iben.R=
odriguez@spirent.com>; "Ondrej Filip"

> <ondrej.filip@nic.cz>; <93attendees@ietf.org>

> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 5:50 PM

> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy

>

>

>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin <llorenzin@pulsesecure.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes d=
emo was

>> wearing heels,

>

>

> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These =
gals

> weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. The=
y were

> there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for that.=


>

>

>> _______________________________________________

>> 93attendees mailing list

>> 93attendees@ietf.org

>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

>>

>

> _______________________________________________

> 93attendees mailing list

> 93attendees@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees







--

Dave T=C3=A4ht

worldwide bufferbloat report:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat

And:

What will it take to vastly improve wifi for everyone?

https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/makewififast



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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees




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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Alexandre PETRESCU 
wrote:

>  dress code: should the models be dressed in national costumes, or local
> code, would that be more acceptable?
>
>
>
 Hhhmmmm ... Warren thinks back to the social in Hawaii.
In no way the same situation, but...

I think the big issue is "models" - the device / software / product should
stand on its own merit, presented and discussed by engineers - I don't care
if they are men, women or small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri, they
should know the product and be able to answer questions about it.

The Turis device does stand on its own merits, and the folk who build it
are smart, good folk. This incident was a surprising lapse in judgment, not
(ime) par for the course.

W

>
>
Le 24/07/2015 12:37, Rodriguez, Iben a =C3=A9crit :
>
>  Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I=E2=80=99ve had to deal wi=
th this
> as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of rever=
se
> discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were =
to
> tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we
> have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the gir=
ls
> need to deal with this too but the world is changing.
>
>  I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket
> ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see
> everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
>
>  Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role or respectful=
 dress situation
> these days. It goes both ways.
>
>  Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly
> oppressed by their cultural situation.
>
>  Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these
> events? How would it read?  Let=E2=80=99s not go down this road.
>
>
>   On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <
> 93attendees-bounces@ietf.org
>  on behalf
> of ondrej.filip@nic.cz
> > wrote:
>
>   Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
>
>  Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
> know our company very well.
>
>  Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>
>  Ondrej Filip
>
>
>
>  On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts=
,
> etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
> like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF shoul=
d
> avoid it (IMHO).
> Best regards,
> Jose
> Sent from my smartphone
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
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On Friday, July 24, 2015, Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> wrote:

 =20
   =20
 =20
  

    dress code: should the models be dressed in
      national costumes, or local code, would that be more acceptable?

      

=


=C2=A0Hhhmmmm ... Warren thinks back to th=
e social in=C2=A0Hawaii.
In no way the same situation, but...

I think the big issue is "models" - the device /=
 software / product should stand on its own merit, presented and discussed =
by engineers - I don't care if they are men, women or small furry creat=
ures from Alpha Centauri, they should know the product and be able to answe=
r questions about it.

The Turis device does stand on its=
 own merits, and the folk who build it are smart, good folk. This incident =
was a surprising lapse in judgment, not (ime) par for the course.

W
=C2=A0

    
Le 24/07/2015 12:37, Rodriguez, Iben a
      =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

    

    

     =20
      

        
Of course there are 2 sides to every story.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve=
 had to
          deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are
          experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the
          way they dress at school.=C2=A0 If a teacher were to tell them
          their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class
          we have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.
          =C2=A0Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the
          world is changing.=C2=A0

        


        

        
I came to the conference for the first time with a suit
          coat and jacket ready to dress up as if for a business
          meeting. When I checked in I see everyone in t-shirts and
          shorts. This is great! =C2=A0

        


        

        

          
Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role o=
r respectful
            dress situation these days. It goes both ways.

        

        


        

        
Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those
          that are truly oppressed by their cultural situation.

        


        

        
Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code
          policy for these events? How would it read?=C2=A0 Let=E2=80=99s n=
ot go down
          this road.

        

          

            

              


              

            

          

        

      

      


      

      
        

          
On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej
            Filip" <93attendees-bou=
nces@ietf.org
            on behalf of
            ondrej.filip@nic.cz>
            wrote:

        

        


        

        

          

            
Hello!

            
First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt
              offended. I am

            
really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and
              as a CEO of the

            
company I take the full responsibility.

            


            

            
Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies
              have been working

            
with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time
              employees.

            
But I am telling this to explain that they we have not
              employed them

            
just for the purpose of this event. Both have
              university degrees

            
although not a technical background in IETF related
              stuff. But they

            
know our company very well.

            


            

            
Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for
              our lack of

            
sensitivity. I am very sorry.

            


            

            
Ondrej
              Filip

            


            

            


            

            


            

            
On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:

            

              
Hi all,

              
In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the
                young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's
                say ... disrespectful.

              
I mean, using women just for "decorative" purp=
oses is
                something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs,
                sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
              
Best regards,

              
Jose

              
Sent from my smartphone

              
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On Friday, July 24, 2015, trevor.chandler  wrote:

> Ouch!  Incredible.   I guess times are
> tough all over, not just in Greece.
>
>
Luckily, things like this *never* occur in $home_country, especially to
tourists.

Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was
murdered no less than four times...

W



>
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> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:01 PM
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> We went to a restaurant that charged for tap water =E2=80=93 UNLESS you a=
lso
> purchased a bottle of wine.  Hah! Very good marketing=E2=80=A6 it worked =
too.
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> On 7/24/15, 6:54 PM, "93attendees on behalf of trevor.chandler" <
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
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This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
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Ouch!=C2=A0 Incredible.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I guess times are=


tough all over, not just in Greece.



Luckily, things like this *never* occu=
r in $home_country, especially to tourists.

Here i=
n Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was murdered no=
 less than four times...

W
=

=C2=A0



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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:01 PM

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We went to a restaurant that charged for tap water =E2=80=93 UNLESS you als=
o purchased a bottle of wine.=C2=A0 Hah! Very good marketing=E2=80=A6 it wo=
rked too.





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=C2=A0I've had a restaurant to

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Pat,

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler  w=
rote:
>=20
> I was responding to earlier posts suggesting a dress code as a way to do t=
his and even pointing to an example dress code from a conference which had l=
ist of unacceptable clothing including:
> =C2=B7         Tops displaying excessive cleavage;
> =C2=B7         Tank tops, halter tops, camisole tops or tube tops;
> =C2=B7         Miniskirts or minidresses;
> =C2=B7         Shorts.

This snippet appears to have been taken out of context.  It was part of a la=
rger policy at trade shows for booth staff to prevent such issues.  This was=
 not meant as a suggestion for an IETF dress code.  It was to show precedent=
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Kathleen=20

> I agreed with your post which was consistent with my suggestion that, rath=
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ytes booths are for technical displays and discussions and that booth staff a=
re expected to be technical and able to discuss the displays.
> =20
> Pat
> =20
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> =20
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> I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to deal w=
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Pat,

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On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler <pthaler@broadcom.com> wrote:

=











I was responding to earlier posts suggest=
ing a dress code as a way to do this and even pointing to an example dress c=
ode from a conference which had list of unacceptable
 clothing including:



=C2=B7       &nbs=
p;
Tops displaying excessi=
ve cleavage;



=C2=B7       &nbs=
p;
Tank tops, halter tops,=
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=C2=B7       &nbs=
p;
Miniskirts or minidress=
es;



=C2=B7       &nbs=
p;
Shorts.

This snippet appears to have been taken o=
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 staff to prevent such issues.  This was not meant as a suggestion for a=
n IETF dress code.  It was to show precedent.

Kathle=
en 

=



I agreed with your post which was consist=
ent with my suggestion that, rather than a dress code,
we should have a policy that emphasizes that Bits and Byt=
es booths are for technical displays and discussions and that booth staff ar=
e expected to be technical and able to discuss the
 displays. 


 


Pat


 





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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:41 AM

To: Pat (Patricia) Thaler

Cc: Andy Bierman; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Howard, Lee; 93attendees@ietf.org

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On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler &l=
t;pthaler@broadcom.com> wrote=
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I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implementi=
ng a dress code as a way to deal with this. Some of our attendees wear short=
s. I=E2=80=99d hate to see staff running around with rulers to decide
 that shorts or skirts are too short, etc. 








 






I am not asking for a dress code. I merely think that=
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On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
> I have, and use, a Turis box at home as my primary CPE. It has some =
great features and they all Just Work.=20

Turris, maybe?


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On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
I have, and use, a Turis box at home as my primary CPE. It has some great features and they all Just Work. 

Turris, maybe?


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On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Fred Baker (fred)  wrote:
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>  Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I=E2=80=99ve had to deal wi=
th this
> as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of rever=
se
> discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were =
to
> tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we
> have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the gir=
ls
> need to deal with this too but the world is changing.
>
>  I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket
> ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see
> everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
>
>  Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role or respectful=
 dress situation
> these days. It goes both ways.
>
>  Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly
> oppressed by their cultural situation.
>
>  Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these
> events? How would it read?  Let=E2=80=99s not go down this road.
>
>
Great!
80 lvl!
;)

>
>   On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <
> 93attendees-bounces@ietf.org
>  on behalf
> of ondrej.filip@nic.cz
> > wrote:
>
>   Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
>
>  Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
> know our company very well.
>
>  Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>
>  Ondrej Filip
>
>
>
>  On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>  In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
> skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>  I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
> like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF shoul=
d
> avoid it (IMHO).
>  Best regards,
>  Jose
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Of course there are 2 sides to every story.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had to =
deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this =
type of reverse discrimination based on the way they dress at school.=C2=A0=
 If a teacher were to tell them their clothing style
 is distracting to the boys in the class we have a talk with that teacher t=
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Let=E2=80=99s not pass judgement on someone=E2=80=99s role or respectf=
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Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly=
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Hello!


First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am

really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the=



company I take the full responsibility.







Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working<=
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with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.

But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them

just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees


although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they

know our company very well.







Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of

sensitivity. I am very sorry.







Ondrej Filip

















On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:




Hi all,




In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short=
 skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.




I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is someth=
ing I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But =
the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).




Best regards,




Jose




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> Pat,
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler  > wrote:
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>  I was responding to earlier posts suggesting a dress code as a way to do
> this and even pointing to an example dress code from a conference which h=
ad
> list of unacceptable clothing including:
>
> =C2=B7         Tops displaying excessive cleavage;
>
> =C2=B7         Tank tops, halter tops, camisole tops or tube tops;
>
> =C2=B7         Miniskirts or minidresses;
>
> =C2=B7         Shorts.
>
>
> This snippet appears to have been taken out of context.  It was part of a
> larger policy at trade shows for booth staff to prevent such issues.  Thi=
s
> was not meant as a suggestion for an IETF dress code.  It was to show
> precedent.
>
> Kathleen
>
>  I agreed with your post which was consistent with my suggestion that,
> rather than a dress code, we should have a policy that emphasizes that
> Bits and Bytes booths are for technical displays and discussions and that
> booth staff are expected to be technical and able to discuss the displays=
.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> *From:* Fred Baker (fred) [mailto:fred@cisco.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* Pat (Patricia) Thaler
> *Cc:* Andy Bierman; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Howard, Lee; 93attendees@ietf.or=
g
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler  > wrote:
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to deal=
 with
> this. Some of our attendees wear shorts. I=E2=80=99d hate to see staff ru=
nning
> around with rulers to decide that shorts or skirts are too short, etc.
>
>
>
> I am not asking for a dress code. I merely think that an IETF meeting is
> not a sales event, and shouldn't be operated as one.
>
> It is an attempt to enforce a dress code.


I am wearing all the time shoes, trousers and sleeve shirts and no ties.
Because I feel ie convenient for me.
I normally communicate with people who wears T-shirts, shorts and sandals,
and even do not notice their clothes, while we have _real_ topics to
discuss and reasons to communicate.
I normally can communicates with women who wears neatly carved dress, as
well as with women, who wears something like used underwear. While we have
_real_ topics to discuss and reasons to communicate.
Clothes means nothing. IETF goes for brains.

If some persons with university degrees want to wear used underwear only,
then other persons with university degree should have a right to wear
mini-skirts.

I am greatly disappointed with all this fuss, which means from my point of
view, that there are some unsufficient load with the current brain
extensive work for IETF participants, that they raise clothes questions and
waste so much time and effort for that.

I could discuss SDN switch architecture even with a nude girl (being
bothered for her not to get cold, though ;) )


>
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Pat,
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On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Pat (Patri=
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I was responding to earlier posts sugge=
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Kathleen=C2=A0=




I agreed with your post which was consi=
stent with my suggestion that, rather than a dress code,
we should have a policy that emphasizes that Bits and B=
ytes booths are for technical displays and discussions and that booth staff=
 are expected to be technical and able to discuss the
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=C2=A0


Pat


=C2=A0






From: Fred Bak=
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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:41 AM

To: Pat (Patricia) Thaler

Cc: Andy Bierman; Stephane Bortzmeyer; Howard, Lee; 93attendees@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...





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On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler &=
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I=E2=80=99m uncomfortable with implemen=
ting a dress code as a way to deal with this. Some of our attendees wear sh=
orts. I=E2=80=99d hate to see staff running around with rulers to decide
 that shorts or skirts are too short, etc.=C2=A0=









=C2=A0






I am not asking for a dress code. I merely think tha=
t an IETF meeting is not a sales event, and shouldn't be operated as on=
e.
It is an attempt to enforce a dress code.

I am wearing all the time shoes, trousers and sleeve shirts an=
d no ties.
Because I feel ie convenient for me.
I norma=
lly communicate with people who wears T-shirts, shorts and sandals, and eve=
n do not notice their clothes, while we have _real_ topics to discuss and r=
easons to communicate.
I normally can communicates with women who=
 wears neatly carved dress, as well as with women, who wears something like=
 used underwear. While we have _real_ topics to discuss and reasons to comm=
unicate.
Clothes means nothing. IETF goes for brains.
<=
br>
If some persons with university degrees want to wear used=C2=
=A0underwear only, then other persons with university degree should have a =
right to wear mini-skirts.

I am greatly disappoint=
ed with all this fuss, which means from my point of view, that there are so=
me unsufficient load with the current brain extensive work for IETF partici=
pants, that they raise clothes questions and waste so much time and effort =
for that.

I could discuss SDN switch architecture =
even with a nude girl (being bothered for her not to get cold, though ;) )=
=C2=A0





=C2=A0






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On 7/24/15, 4:40 PM, "Warren Kumari" > wrote:
Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was murde=
red no less than four times...

I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only 2 times for m=
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Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so wonderful!

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On 7/24/15, 4:40 PM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> wrote:













Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was =
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I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only 2 times =
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Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so wonderful!=








Jason




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What is weird, is we had other friends completely unrelated to the IETF,
visiting Prague a week before the IETF, and they reported the same FUD
crime reports.  It was even oddly the same words, like two different people
retelling the same news story.

I wonder if something notable happened a few weeks ago.

Thanks,
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Wiley, Glen  wrote:

> It was in a phone case in a bag so they had to go through 2 layers to get
> to it.
>
> It's not the theft that hurts, it expand to my wife where the money went =
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:21, Ond=C5=99ej Caletka 
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> >
> > Dne 24.7.2015 v 12:20 Wiley, Glen napsal(a):
> >> I agree, however I made the mistake of leaving $100 usd in a bag in my
> room which the hotel relieved me of.
> >
> > WHAT? Do I understand correctly that you left $100 in locked room and i=
t
> > disappeared?! In Hilton?!
> > I would certainly not expect something like that. Have you notified the
> > hotel staff?
> >
> > The only plausible explanation would be that it has been misinterpreted
> > as a tip for maid.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ond=C5=99ej Caletka
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What is weird, is we had other friends completely unrelate=
d to the IETF, visiting Prague a week before the IETF, and they reported th=
e same FUD crime reports.=C2=A0 It was even oddly the same words, like two =
different people retelling the same news story.

I wonder=
 if something notable happened a few weeks ago.

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ents that people are using our services to speak in defiance of unjust gove=
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Wiley, Glen=
 <gwiley@verisign.com> wrote:
It was in a phone case in a bag so they had to go through 2 layers to=
 get to it.



It's not the theft that hurts, it expand to my wife where the money wen=
t =F0=9F=98=90



Sent from my iPhone




> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:21, Ond=C5=99ej Caletka <Ondrej.Caletka@cesnet.cz> wrote:

>

> Dne 24.7.2015 v 12:20 Wiley, Glen napsal(a):

>> I agree, however I made the mistake of leaving $100 usd in a bag i=
n my room which the hotel relieved me of.

>

> WHAT? Do I understand correctly that you left $100 in locked room and =
it

> disappeared?! In Hilton?!

> I would certainly not expect something like that. Have you notified th=
e

> hotel staff?

>

> The only plausible explanation would be that it has been misinterprete=
d

> as a tip for maid.

>

> Cheers,

> Ond=C5=99ej Caletka

>


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Just a word of advice.

Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and was
told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots of
cabs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there were no
cabs.  Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars they had reserved
for 5.  A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the first group was nice
enough to let me squeeze in.  (I hope that Adam Roach, who we left behind,
made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is to be a bit conservative
about when you leave for the airport.

Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.

Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seeing you all
in Yokohama!!

--aaron

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Just a word of advice.=C2=A0

Last night=
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front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots of cabs'=
.=C2=A0 My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there were no c=
abs.=C2=A0 Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars they had reserv=
ed for 5.=C2=A0 A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the first group wa=
s nice enough to let me squeeze in. =C2=A0(I hope that Adam Roach, who we l=
eft behind, made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is to be a bit con=
servative about when you leave for the airport. =C2=A0

A=
lso the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.

Goodbye,=
 Prague. Safe travels everyone!=C2=A0 Looking forward to seeing you all in =
Yokohama!!

--aaron


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On 25 Jul 2015, at 6:23, Aaron Falk wrote:

> Just a word of advice.
>
> Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and wa=
s told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots =
of cabs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there were=
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 nice enough to let me squeeze in.  (I hope that Adam Roach, who we left =
behind, made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is to be a bit conse=
rvative about when you leave for the airport.

I left 5AM Thursday morning with one of the hotels cars. I called at mayb=
e 2200 night before to Hotel Staff and said I need a car to the hotel. Pa=
y driver (which I did with credit card). Two of us had ordered a car at 2=
200. Tied to your hotel room. Just worked.

> Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.

The normal coach line was very long, BUT, if you had checked in "via web"=
 there was a special very short line between the long line and the busine=
ss class line.

> Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seeing you =
all in Yokohama!!

Hope rest of travel is better for you Aaron!

  Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
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Hello folks,

I'm very glad to read that folks at IETF 93 did not experience much 
crime.  But the warnings about pickpocketing are not FUD.  I was 
pickpocketed during a previous IETF in Prague, and lost a lot of money, 
credit cards, etc.

In my case, I was just arriving, excited to be here, talking with 
friends, and not noticing the crowd of children crushing up against me 
on the subway.

This time I have enjoyed Prague very much without such problems.

Regards,
Charlie P.



On 7/24/2015 2:58 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> On 7/24/15, 4:40 PM, "Warren Kumari"  > wrote:
>
>     Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example,
>     was murdered no less than four times...
>
>
> I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only 2 times 
> for me, luckily. Thankfully the hosts provided that unlimited re-spawn 
> code.
>
> Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so wonderful!
>
> Jason
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    Hello folks,

    

    I'm very glad to read that folks at IETF 93 did not experience much
    crime. But the warnings about pickpocketing are not FUD. I was
    pickpocketed during a previous IETF in Prague, and lost a lot of
    money, credit cards, etc.

    

    In my case, I was just arriving, excited to be here, talking with
    friends, and not noticing the crowd of children crushing up against
    me on the subway.

    

    This time I have enjoyed Prague very much without such problems.

    

    Regards,

    Charlie P.

    

    

    

    
On 7/24/2015 2:58 PM, Livingood, Jason
      wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
        

          

            

              
Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I,
                for example, was murdered no less than four times...

            

          

        

      
      


      

      
I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only
        2 times for me, luckily. Thankfully the hosts provided that
        unlimited re-spawn code.

      


      

      
Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so
        wonderful!

      


      

      
Jason

      

      

      

      
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Hello Pat,

Thanks for eloquently expressing my own thoughts.  I am guessing that 
similar considerations would apply to jugglers, mimes, etc.

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 7/24/2015 9:38 AM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote:
>
> I dont think the root of the problem was the way that they were 
> dressed as much as it was that their looks and attire seemed to be the 
> reason that they were there. They didnt participate in explaining the 
> companys technology.
>
> The purpose of Bits and Bytes, I think, is to provide for vendors to 
> show what they are doing with IETF technology, e.g. practical demos of 
> how the technology we develop is being applied and tests of proposed 
> protocols.
>
> Booth staff usually are there to explain the demos and that is the way 
> it should be. It certainly isnt unusual for booth staff to be wearing 
> company provided items (e.g. shirts) to help identify them.
>
> Im uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to deal with 
> this. Some of our attendees wear shorts. Id hate to see staff running 
> around with rulers to decide that shorts or skirts are too short, etc.
>
> Id prefer a policy that emphasizes that Bits and Bytes booths are for 
> technical displays and discussions and that booth staff are expected 
> to be technical and able to discuss the displays.
>
> Pat
>
> *From:*93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Andy Bierman
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 5:13 AM
> *To:* Stephane Bortzmeyer
> *Cc:* Howard, Lee; 93attendees@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer 
> > wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
>  Howard, Lee > 
> wrote
>  a message of 57 lines which said:
>
> > However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
> > wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
> > your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
> > that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
> > Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.
>
> In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
> the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
> strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
> (and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
> dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
> exercising any freedom to dress.
>
> Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,
>
> I wonder how much is the IETF's own fault.  If the bits&bytes
>
> is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
>
> (more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked
>
> if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are
>
> appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the
>
> contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.
>
> I guess you are assuming their attire was mandated by the employer.
>
> What if it was their choice? Certainly complicates the issue.
>
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    Hello Pat,

    

    Thanks for eloquently expressing my own thoughts. I am guessing
    that similar considerations would apply to jugglers, mimes, etc.

    

    Regards,

    Charlie P.

    

    

    
On 7/24/2015 9:38 AM, Pat (Patricia)
      Thaler wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
I
            dont think the root of the problem was the way that they
            were dressed as much as it was that their looks and attire
            seemed to be the reason that they were there. They didnt
            participate in explaining the companys technology.

        

        
The
            purpose of Bits and Bytes, I think, is to provide for
            vendors to show what they are doing with IETF technology,
            e.g. practical demos of how the technology we develop is
            being applied and tests of proposed protocols. 

        
Booth
            staff usually are there to explain the demos and that is the
            way it should be. It certainly isnt unusual for booth staff
            to be wearing company provided items (e.g. shirts) to help
            identify them. 

        

        
Im
            uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to
            deal with this. Some of our attendees wear shorts. Id hate
            to see staff running around with rulers to decide that
            shorts or skirts are too short, etc. 

        

        
Id
            prefer a policy that emphasizes that Bits and Bytes booths
            are for technical displays and discussions and that booth
            staff are expected to be technical and able to discuss the
            displays.

        

        
Pat

        

        
From:
            93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
            On Behalf Of Andy Bierman

            Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 5:13 AM

            To: Stephane Bortzmeyer

            Cc: Howard, Lee; 93attendees@ietf.org

            Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...

        

        

          

          

            

            

              
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:02 AM,
                Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr>
                wrote:

              
On Fri,
                Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,

                Howard, Lee <lee.howard@twcable.com>
                wrote

                a message of 57 lines which said:

                

                > However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting
                engineers from

                > wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor
                Bits-n-Bites and

                > your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no
                problem with

                > that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to
                the next

                > Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.

                

                In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both
                wore exactly

                the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like
                you, I

                strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as
                they want

                (and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants
                have to be

                dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty,
                and not

                exercising any freedom to dress.

              

                

              

              

                
Although I agree this incident was
                  inappropriate for an IETF,

              

              

                
I wonder how much is the IETF's own
                  fault. If the bits&bytes

              

              

                
is advertised to vendors as a trade
                  show, and they are charged money

              

              

                
(more than a trade show), then the
                  IETF should not be shocked

              

              

                
if a vendor thinks their normal
                  trade show procedures are

              

              

                
appropriate for this venue. The
                  IETF should made sure the

              

              

                
contract with the vendor is clear
                  wrt/ the dress code.

              

              

                

              

              

                
I guess you are assuming their
                  attire was mandated by the employer.

              

              

                
What if it was their choice?
                  Certainly complicates the issue.

              

              

                

              

              

                

              

              

                
Andy

              

              

                

              

              

                
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                  93attendees mailing list

                  93attendees@ietf.org

                  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

              

            

            

          

        

      

      

      

      

      
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On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m > wrote:

> On 25 Jul 2015, at 6:23, Aaron Falk wrote:
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> > Just a word of advice.
> >
> > Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and wa=
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> told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots of
> cabs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there were no
> cabs.  Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars they had reserved
> for 5.  A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the first group was nice
> enough to let me squeeze in.  (I hope that Adam Roach, who we left behind=
,
> made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is to be a bit conservative
> about when you leave for the airport.
>
> I left 5AM Thursday morning with one of the hotels cars. I called at mayb=
e
> 2200 night before to Hotel Staff and said I need a car to the hotel. Pay
> driver (which I did with credit card). Two of us had ordered a car at 220=
0.
> Tied to your hotel room. Just worked.
>
> > Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.
>
> The normal coach line was very long, BUT, if you had checked in "via web"
> there was a special very short line between the long line and the busines=
s
> class line.
>
> > Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seeing you
> all in Yokohama!!
>
> Hope rest of travel is better for you Aaron!
>
>   Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m
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> Just a word of advice.

>

> Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and w=
as told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lo=
ts of cabs'.=C2=A0 My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and =
there were no cabs.=C2=A0 Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars =
they had reserved for 5.=C2=A0 A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the=
 first group was nice enough to let me squeeze in.=C2=A0 (I hope that Adam =
Roach, who we left behind, made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is =
to be a bit conservative about when you leave for the airport.



I left 5AM Thursday morning with one of the hotels cars. I called at maybe =
2200 night before to Hotel Staff and said I need a car to the hotel. Pay dr=
iver (which I did with credit card). Two of us had ordered a car at 2200. T=
ied to your hotel room. Just worked.



> Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.



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Hi Charles,
The crime situation did not changed much from previous IETF in general. Thes=
e reports were/are not complete FUD, bud frankly speaking, pickpockets in Eu=
rope are working in organized groups that move from one city to another (lik=
e this week to Prague, next week somewhere else).=20

I'm happy to see no bad experience, hopefully the same will happen for event=
ual next ietf meeting. On the other hand, there is more than 1200 IETFers, a=
nd statistics shows no mercy.

Thank you visiting Prague and have safe trip home

michal


> On 25. 7. 2015, at 7:54, Charles E. Perkins  wrote:=

>=20
> Hello folks,
>=20
> I'm very glad to read that folks at IETF 93 did not experience much crime.=
  But the warnings about pickpocketing are not FUD.  I was pickpocketed duri=
ng a previous IETF in Prague, and lost a lot of money, credit cards, etc.
>=20
> In my case, I was just arriving, excited to be here, talking with friends,=
 and not noticing the crowd of children crushing up against me on the subway=
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>=20
> This time I have enjoyed Prague very much without such problems.
>=20
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
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>=20
>> On 7/24/2015 2:58 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
>> On 7/24/15, 4:40 PM, "Warren Kumari"  wrote:
>> Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was mur=
dered no less than four times...
>>=20
>> I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only 2 times for=
 me, luckily. Thankfully the hosts provided that unlimited re-spawn code.
>>=20
>> Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so wonderful!
>>=20
>> Jason
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Hi Charles,
The crime situation did not changed much from previous IETF in general. These reports were/are not complete FUD, bud frankly speaking, pickpockets in Europe are working in organized groups that move from one city to another (like this week to Prague, next week somewhere else). 

I'm happy to see no bad experience, hopefully the same will happen for eventual next ietf meeting. On the other hand, there is more than 1200 IETFers, and statistics shows no mercy.

Thank you visiting Prague and have safe trip home

michal


On 25. 7. 2015, at 7:54, Charles E. Perkins <charliep@computer.org> wrote:


  
    
  
  
    Hello folks,

    

    I'm very glad to read that folks at IETF 93 did not experience much
    crime.  But the warnings about pickpocketing are not FUD.  I was
    pickpocketed during a previous IETF in Prague, and lost a lot of
    money, credit cards, etc.

    

    In my case, I was just arriving, excited to be here, talking with
    friends, and not noticing the crowd of children crushing up against
    me on the subway.

    

    This time I have enjoyed Prague very much without such problems.

    

    Regards,

    Charlie P.

    

    

    

    
On 7/24/2015 2:58 PM, Livingood, Jason
      wrote:

    

    

      
      

        

          
On 7/24/15, 4:40 PM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net>
            wrote:

        

      

      
        

          

            

              
Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I,
                for example, was murdered no less than four times...

            

          

        

      
      


      

      
I think I witnessed one of the four in DNSOP. ;-) It was only
        2 times for me, luckily. Thankfully the hosts provided that
        unlimited re-spawn code.

      


      

      
Thanks again to the hosts and thanks to Prague for being so
        wonderful!

      


      

      
Jason

      

      

      

      
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People dressed in national costume were certainly welcome last time we were in Seoul. There was an important difference, though; they were part of the entertainment for the social event. It wasn't a sales context, and they weren't "objects" being used for a purpose, they were women celebrating their national heritage..


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+1 (and you can pay by CC in advance or to the driver).

Safe travels everyone!

///Gonzalo
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On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall > wrote:

The quite glorious Prague Airport Transfer was without a doubt easy, cheap,=
 and required no coordination with the hotel, highly recommended:

http://www.prague-airport-transfers.co.uk/


On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m > wrote:
On 25 Jul 2015, at 6:23, Aaron Falk wrote:

> Just a word of advice.
>
> Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and was =
told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots of c=
abs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there were no ca=
bs.  Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars they had reserved for=
 5.  A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the first group was nice enou=
gh to let me squeeze in.  (I hope that Adam Roach, who we left behind, made=
 it safely to his flight.) So, my advice is to be a bit conservative about =
when you leave for the airport.

I left 5AM Thursday morning with one of the hotels cars. I called at maybe =
2200 night before to Hotel Staff and said I need a car to the hotel. Pay dr=
iver (which I did with credit card). Two of us had ordered a car at 2200. T=
ied to your hotel room. Just worked.

> Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.

The normal coach line was very long, BUT, if you had checked in "via web" t=
here was a special very short line between the long line and the business c=
lass line.

> Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seeing you al=
l in Yokohama!!

Hope rest of travel is better for you Aaron!

  Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m
  Head of Research and Development
  Netnod


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+1 (and you can pay by CC in advance or to the driver).







Safe travels everyone!



///Gonzalo

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On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:








The quite glorious Prague Airport Transfer was without a doubt easy, c=
heap, and required no coordination with the hotel, highly recommended:











On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m <paf@netnod.se>=
 wrote:



On 25 Jul 2015, at 6:23, Aaron Falk wrote:



> Just a word of advice.

>

> Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and w=
as told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be lots o=
f cabs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and there we=
re no cabs.  Also, two sets of folks waiting
 for airport cars they had reserved for 5.  A car arrived about 10 min=
utes later and the first group was nice enough to let me squeeze in.  =
(I hope that Adam Roach, who we left behind, made it safely to his flight.)=
 So, my advice is to be a bit conservative
 about when you leave for the airport.



I left 5AM Thursday morning with one of the hotels cars. I called at maybe =
2200 night before to Hotel Staff and said I need a car to the hotel. Pay dr=
iver (which I did with credit card). Two of us had ordered a car at 2200. T=
ied to your hotel room. Just worked.



> Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.



The normal coach line was very long, BUT, if you had checked in "via w=
eb" there was a special very short line between the long line and the =
business class line.



> Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seein=
g you all in Yokohama!!



Hope rest of travel is better for you Aaron!



  Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m

  Head of Research and Development

  Netnod









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On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:

> 
> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Alexandre PETRESCU  wrote:
> > 
> > dress code: should the models be dressed in national costumes, or 
> > local code, would that be more acceptable?
> 
> People dressed in national costume were certainly welcome last time 
> we were in Seoul. There was an important difference, though; they 
> were part of the entertainment for the social event. It wasn't a 
> sales context, and they weren't "objects" being used for a purpose, 
> they were women celebrating their national heritage..
> 
> 

Right, I think we all agree, but that of course leads us down 
interesting paths such as: Geisha at a social event. Part of a 
national heritage for sure, representative of something women
might find objectionable? Probably.

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Dne 24.7.2015 v 21:16 Alexandre PETRESCU napsal(a):
> A particular minus: I was still on the ietf-legacy essid.  Part of the
> reason is because of Certificate Authorities.  IETF should not assume
> that public CAs are trusted by everybody.

Come on, it's a public Wi-Fi. What level of trust do you need to submit
a login/password ietf/ietf? Is it better to submit such credentials to
an untrusted party then not to do encryption at all?

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> On 24 Jul 2015, at 20:13, Richard Scheffenegger  =
wrote:
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> I'm with Fred.
>=20
> However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the =
discussions with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was =
not on-par with many of the questions...
>=20
> They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software =
engineers working on the product to the booth on events like this.

I guess I have to protest here. You didn=E2=80=99t tell what questions =
you asked but, because I know the Turris team, the engineers that were =
there are all deeply involved in the Turris project. Of course, division =
of labor exists and nobody knows everything.

Cheers, Lada

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> Best regards,
> Richard
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Baker (fred)" =

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>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Lisa Lorenzin =
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>> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was =
wearing heels,
>=20
> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These =
gals weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They =
were there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for =
that.
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At 10:43 PM +1200 7/24/15, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>  On 24/07/2015 22:37, Rodriguez, Iben wrote:
>  ...
>>  Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for 
>> these events? How would it read?  Let's not go down this road.
>
>  We've had a dress code for years:
>  http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4

That section contains a rather glaring non sequitur: "Since attendees 
must wear their name tags, they must also wear shirts or blouses." 
This would be debatable even if the name tags used pins, but since 
lanyards are provided, this is obviously not so.  Further, some 
attendees wear their name tags on their pants.


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>>=20
>> I'm with Fred.
>>=20
>> However, having been attracted to their booth, I found in the discussions=
 with the engineers present, that the level of expertise was not on-par with=
 many of the questions...
>>=20
>> They would  have had to bring the actual electrical and software engineer=
s working on the product to the booth on events like this.
>=20
> I guess I have to protest here. You didn=E2=80=99t tell what questions you=
 asked but, because I know the Turris team, the engineers that were there ar=
e all deeply involved in the Turris project. Of course, division of labor ex=
ists and nobody knows everything.

seems to me we are really lost in the topic. At least some people guessing t=
hings that are not well alligned with reality nor context. Let me express a f=
ew sentences.

1) CZ.NIC is an association managing ccTLD and has almost nothing with comme=
rce

2) The company itself is being managed the engineering way (thanks to member=
s, board and management leaded by Ondrej Filip)

3) Almost all margin from ccTLD management is being consumed by engineering a=
nd development project provided to the Internet community (almost all of the=
m under free licences - BIRD, KnotDNS, FRED, Turris)

4) CZ.NIC booth at bits-and-bites was well staffed by engineers (spotted abo=
ut five or six of them) and I also oversight another three people that have e=
ngineering background and general Turris knowledge crawling around.

5) All those enginers were properly dressed - as engineers

6) CZ.NIC put a big effort to the IETF organisation (remember, this is not j=
ust about the money), being relativelly small organisation.

7) Need to repeat - CZ.NIC is not-for-profit organisation and does almost no=
thing in "sales" activities

8) If someone would ask me to help those ladies wearing something with 2D co=
de anywhere, I'm happy to support such as activity joining them.

So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting IETF and commu=
nity of Internet engineers (providing free software and other projects) and w=
e should help the event management to make Bits-and-bites form widely accept=
able.=20

As a side for folks trying to apply any dress code at social or at the event=
 - please read a "1984" novel.=20

With kind regards
Michal Krsek

Speaking for myself from Central Europe


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On 7/24/2015 9:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> i am happy to have missed all this but ..
> 
>> They were there to attract nearby guys to the table
> 
> and who allows this to attract them?  shame on us.


>From the Facebook thread on this, it appears that some folk did think
the booth babe performances were acceptable, but that's really
irrelevant to the thread here, especially since the thread here has been
overwhelmingly critical of those performances.

The thread here concerns the creation of a context dominated by sex
rather than by technical substance.  That responsibility lies with the
exhibitor, not with one or another juvenile attendee.

I'll echo support for Pat Thaler's summary on this, because it provides
an excellent focus for clarifying what exhibitor performance actually is
required:


On 7/24/2015 6:38 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote:
> I don’t think the root of the problem was the way that they were dressed
> as much as it was that their looks and attire seemed to be the reason
> that they were there. They didn’t participate in explaining the
> company’s technology.

Exactly.


> The purpose of Bits and Bytes, I think, is to provide for vendors to
> show what they are doing with IETF technology, e.g. practical demos of
> how the technology we develop is being applied and tests of proposed
> protocols.

The 'purpose' of BnB is not quite so precise and we've seen a range of
exhibitor content, including recruitment.  In fact, a search does not
readily produce a clear IETF statement on the purpose or limits on
exhibit content.

That should be changed and we should get some rough consensus that the
text matches what the community wants for the event.


> I’m uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to deal with
> this. Some of our attendees wear shorts. I’d hate to see staff running
> around with rulers to decide that shorts or skirts are too short, etc.

I suspect the issue with dress is pretty simple:  if the dress or the
exhibitor staff performance creates a focus on sex or sexuality -- or
even physicality? -- distinct from 'gender', then it is inappropriate.
Note that this applies equally to male staff as well as female.

But the dominant requirement is that those representing the exhibitor
must able to interact with attendees on the substance of what is being
shown, at a level that matches likely attendee knowledge and questions.


d/


-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net


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this discussion is not enlightening and, from the outside, invites
consequences in the areas of hosting, funding, donations, ... we do not
want.

[ and having been partnered for some decades, i say nothing more than
  "that looks lovely, dear." ]

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Yep.  I could care less about their shoes.
And, it really is foolish to suggest the local hosts need to keep up with
overly PC insanity from US side=8A

I have been the person who had to advise insane college students about
rape and frat parties.  No gal wearing any =B3down to there and up to there=
=B2
outfit is =B3asking for it=B2 as we know.  But, these characters have taken
this to a new level=8A.and after a great meeting ;(



On 7/25/15, 10:29 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Randy Bush"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of randy@psg.com> wrote:

>this discussion is not enlightening and, from the outside, invites
>consequences in the areas of hosting, funding, donations, ... we do not
>want.
>
>[ and having been partnered for some decades, i say nothing more than
>  "that looks lovely, dear." ]
>
>randy
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On July 25, 2015 10:13:47 AM Michal Krsek  wrote:

>...
> So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting IETF and 
> community of Internet engineers (providing free software and other 
> projects) and we should help the event management to make Bits-and-bites 
> form widely acceptable.
>..

Thank you cz.nic, brocade, Praha and everyone else who worked so hard and 
contributed so much  to make this a great meeting!

Lou

Ps thanks to this thread I have become aware of some cz.nic sw i want to 
check out.



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On 25/07/15 10:13, Michal Krsek wrote:
> So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting IETF and community of Internet engineers (providing free software and other projects) and we should help the event management to make Bits-and-bites form widely acceptable.
+1 and very well said.

I did/do not want to react to this discussion at all.
So this is the only posting I will do about it

I am very surprised about all the fuss that this generated. Comon,
these comments on this list are just blowing up the whole thing.
I had not even seen these ladies, but when I saw the picture on facebook,
I think they were dressed nicely. One may wonder indeed if we need that at bits
and bytes, but it is noit word the fuss that this has generated.

A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of the beholder, no?

Bert


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Hi - I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been asked by t=
heir employers to fill out "export control forms" for the laptop you took a=
long to the IETF focuses on so-called "dual use" technologies.

This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to do =
so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks said th=
at all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple, Fac=
ebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant mentio=
n it.

The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that contained=
 encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they locat=
ed an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then included i=
n whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Commer=
ce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).

Thanks for any feedback!

Jason

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Hi – I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been=
 asked by their employers to fill out “export control forms” fo=
r the laptop you took along to the IETF focuses on so-called “dual us=
e” technologies. 







This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.











The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason




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On 07/25/2015 11:24 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote:
> On 25/07/15 10:13, Michal Krsek wrote:
>> So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting
>> IETF and community of Internet engineers (providing free software
>> and other projects) and we should help the event management to
>> make Bits-and-bites form widely acceptable.
> +1 and very well said.
> 
> I did/do not want to react to this discussion at all. So this is
> the only posting I will do about it
> 
> I am very surprised about all the fuss that this generated. Comon, 
> these comments on this list are just blowing up the whole thing. I
> had not even seen these ladies, but when I saw the picture on
> facebook, I think they were dressed nicely. One may wonder indeed
> if we need that at bits and bytes, but it is noit word the fuss
> that this has generated.
> 
> A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of
> the beholder, no?
> 

I strongly disagree with the points made by Bert and Vasily. That
something is not a problem for you personally, doesn't mean there is
no problem at all.

If we want the IETF to be a more enabling and welcoming environment
for a more diverse audience (which is much needed imho) this needs to
be addressed, and these discussions need to be had.

I think there should be no place for misogyny at the IETF, and the
phenomenon of booth babes is definitely a form of misogyny.

Best,

Niels






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On Jul 25, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF)  wrote=
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> A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of the beh=
older, no?

No.=20

(Since you asked.)

--John=


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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:

> I would not object to a pretty engineer - we need more of them. These 
> gals weren't engineers. That, at least for my part, was my concern. They 
> were there to attract nearby guys to the table. Life is too short for 
> that.

I would not have had a problem with the entire team (men and women) 
wearing the same type of outfit, so they all had matching tight "sexy" 
clothing, my problem was that only the women did. I don't really care if 
the women were engineers or not, it's ok to have mascots, but then you 
need to have mascots of (in this case) both genders to avoid the "booth 
babe" problem.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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> 25 jul 2015 kl. 10:30 skrev Randy Bush :
> 
> this discussion is not enlightening and, from the outside, invites
> consequences in the areas of hosting, funding, donations, ... we do not
> want.
> 
> [ and having been partnered for some decades, i say nothing more than
>  "that looks lovely, dear." ]
> 

+1

please let this and the other increasingly dumb thread go already


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On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:

> I would not have had a problem with the entire team (men and women) wearing 
> the same type of outfit, so they all had matching tight "sexy" clothing, my 
> problem was that only the women did. I don't really care if the women were 
> engineers or not, it's ok to have mascots, but then you need to have mascots 
> of (in this case) both genitesders to avoid the "booth babe" problem.

That only addresses the problem of misogyny, not the problem of using
non-technical (sexy) arguments for advertising products or services
that are of interest to the IETF community. The bits & bites is not the
CeBIT, there is no need to result to trickery to get the attention of
attendees. (apart from the bites which targets everyone equally)

Adding booth boys is not the solution :P

Paul


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On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Livingood, Jason <
Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

>   Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have bee=
n asked
> by their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=9D for=
 the laptop you
> took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=9Cdual use=E2=80=9D te=
chnologies.
>
>  This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to
> do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id
> that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple,
> Facebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant
> mention it.
>
>
Me neither... Odd....

W



> The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that
> contained * encryption*, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS
> Office) they located an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that
> they then included in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumab=
ly
> the Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).
>
>  Thanks for any feedback!
>
>  Jason
>


--=20
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
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Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have be=
en asked by their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=
=9D for the laptop you took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=
=9Cdual use=E2=80=9D technologies.=C2=A0







This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.










Me neither... Odd....

W

=C2=A0


The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason







-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant whe=
n it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting r=
abid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen th=
ose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> We've had a dress code for years:
> http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#rfc.section.3.4

Just so we're clear...

the Tao is informational, not normative.

-- Sam


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I Work for one of the big companies and regularly need to deal with export
control. But never for a laptop I was carrying for my own.

If I had to ship equipment to a conference, yes. But for personal carry
never



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On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Livingood, Jason <
Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

>   Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have bee=
n asked
> by their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=9D for=
 the laptop you
> took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=9Cdual use=E2=80=9D te=
chnologies.
>
>  This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to
> do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id
> that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple,
> Facebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant
> mention it.
>
>
Me neither... Odd....

W



> The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that
> contained * encryption*, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS
> Office) they located an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that
> they then included in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumab=
ly
> the Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).
>
>  Thanks for any feedback!
>
>  Jason
>


--=20
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf

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I Work for one of the big companie=
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was carrying for my own.=C2=A0

If I had to ship eq=
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On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Livingood, Jas=
on <Jason_Livingood=
@cable.comcast.com> wrote:











Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have be=
en asked by their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=
=9D for the laptop you took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=
=9Cdual use=E2=80=9D technologies.=C2=A0







This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.










Me neither... Odd....

W

=C2=A0


The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason






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n it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting r=
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ose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf=



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On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Livingood, Jason wrote:

> Our legal folks said that all large companies do this, ...

One of the fun things about large organizations is that there are so 
many data points to choose from.  Nevermind having different practices 
in different parts of the organization, white noise in the 
implementation can make all sorts of unlikely claims technically 
correct.

"The US government ran out of toilet paper!"  Yeah, they probably did. 
Somewhere.

> I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been asked by 
> their employers to fill out ?export control forms? for the laptop
> you took along to the IETF...

I have never been asked to do export control paperwork while working 
for SPARTA (a defense contractor) and its successors.

On two IETF trips they asked me to carry a special laptop provided 
just for the one trip.  But there was no paperwork.

-- Sam


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I didn't have any issues either and had a few routers, pc s, smart cards, p=
iv cards, used cac card readers (which I hand out), Mac mini all of which I=
 use regularly for training in distant places.

Such regulations would certainly put a damper on training efforts encourage=
d and supported by other usg departments.

R



Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2015, at 07:22, Warren Kumari > wrote:



On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Livingood, Jason > wrote:
Hi - I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been asked by t=
heir employers to fill out "export control forms" for the laptop you took a=
long to the IETF focuses on so-called "dual use" technologies.

This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to do =
so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks said th=
at all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple, Fac=
ebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant mentio=
n it.


Me neither... Odd....

W


The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that contained=
 encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they locat=
ed an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then included i=
n whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Commer=
ce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).

Thanks for any feedback!

Jason


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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in=
 the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regr=
et at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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I didn't have any issues either and had a few routers, pc s, smart car=
ds, piv cards, used cac card readers (which I hand out), Mac mini all of wh=
ich I use regularly for training in distant places.







Such regulations would certainly put a damper on training efforts enco=
uraged and supported by other usg departments.







R











Sent from my iPhone




On Jul 25, 2015, at 07:22, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:












On Saturday, July 25, 2015, Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> wrote:=











Hi – I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been=
 asked by their employers to fill out “export control forms” fo=
r the laptop you took along to the IETF focuses on so-called “dual us=
e” technologies. 







This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.




















Me neither... Odd....







W







 






The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason









-- 

I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in=
 the first place.

This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regr=
et at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.<=
br>
   ---maf








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Has it occurred to any of you who are flashing the term =E2=80=9Cbooth =
babes=E2=80=9D as if it were neutral that it is itself in fact just as =
misogynistic as anything else being said here?   I agree with Randy that =
we should drop this discussion, but if you must continue to blather on =
about it, please at least don=E2=80=99t use the term =E2=80=9Cbooth =
babes=E2=80=9D as if it were a valid way to classify women while at the =
same time accusing others of misogyny.

If this comment feels unfair, please consider that nobody is perfect, =
and everybody has a bit of internalized misogyny because we (most if not =
all of us) live in misogynistic cultures, some more so, some less so, =
but all to some extent.   So the fact that I have just used the term =
=E2=80=9Cmisogyny=E2=80=9D in a way that might refer to you, the reader, =
does not mean that I intend to shame you or put you down.   It just =
means that on a very practical level, if you want to talk about =
misogyny, you need to do a little reflection first, and maybe engage in =
the discussion in a less public forum.


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No. But I did just last week get asked (required) to fill out a survey abou=
t whether I participate in acquisition / distribution of software across in=
t'l boundaries to or from company-owned assets. This may be a sign of thing=
s to come.
Barbara


Hi =96 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been asked by=
 their employers to fill out =93export control forms=94 for the laptop you =
took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =93dual use=94 technologies.

This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to do =
so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks said th=
at all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple, Fac=
ebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant mentio=
n it.

The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that contained=
 encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they locat=
ed an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then included i=
n whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Commer=
ce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).

Thanks for any feedback!

Jason

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No. But I did just last week get asked (required) to fill out a survey=
 about whether I participate in acquisition / distribution of software acro=
ss int'l boundaries to or from company-owned assets. This may be a sign of =
things to come. 

Barbara








Hi =96 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been asked by=
 their employers to fill out =93export control forms=94 for the laptop you =
took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =93dual use=94 technologies.&nb=
sp;













This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.











The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason






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Some of this may be a response to a US government rulemaking around
implementation of the Wassenaar Agreement on expert controls; the rules are
currently written amazingly broadly and would prohibit intra-company
transfer of security vulnerability information and proofs of concept. (It
had a noble purpose in terms of controlling offensive surveillance
technologies to repressive regimes.)

The IAB recently issued a statement aimed to be responsive to that:

https://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2015-2/iab-s=
tatement-on-the-trade-in-security-technologies/

For more background you might be interested in reading a joint civil
society comment from CDT, Collin Anderson, EFF, HRW, and OTI

blog post from myself and Andy Sayler:

Coalition Seeks Revisions to Potentially Restrictive Wassenaar Proposal
https://cdt.org/blog/coalition-seeks-revisions-to-potentially-restrictive-w=
assenaar-proposal/

Full comment:

https://cdt.org/files/2015/07/JointWassenaarComments-FINAL.pdf

On Saturday, July 25, 2015, STARK, BARBARA H  wrote:

>  No. But I did just last week get asked (required) to fill out a survey
> about whether I participate in acquisition / distribution of software
> across int'l boundaries to or from company-owned assets. This may be a si=
gn
> of things to come.
> Barbara
>
>
> Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been =
asked by
> their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=9D for th=
e laptop you took
> along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=9Cdual use=E2=80=9D technol=
ogies.
>
>
>  This was the first time during international travel that I was asked to
> do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id
> that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple,
> Facebook, Google, etc., but I have never heard another IETF participant
> mention it.
>
>  The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that
> contained * encryption*, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS
> Office) they located an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that
> they then included in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumab=
ly
> the Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of State, Dept. of Treasury).
>
>  Thanks for any feedback!
>
>  Jason
>
>

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Some of this may be a response to a US government rulemaking around impleme=
ntation of the Wassenaar Agreement on expert controls; the rules are curren=
tly written amazingly broadly and would prohibit intra-company transfer of =
security vulnerability information and proofs of concept. (It had a noble p=
urpose in terms of controlling offensive surveillance technologies to repre=
ssive regimes.)

The IAB recently issued a statement aime=
d to be responsive to that:=C2=A0

For more background you might be intereste=
d in reading a joint civil society=C2=A0comment from CDT, Collin Anderson, =
EFF, HRW, and OTI

blog post from myself and Andy S=
ayler:

Coalition Seeks Revisions to P=
otentially Restrictive Wassenaar Proposal

Full commen=
t:


On Saturday, July 25, 2015=
, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com=
> wrote:







No. But I did just last week get asked (required) to fill out a survey=
 about whether I participate in acquisition / distribution of software acro=
ss int'l boundaries to or from company-owned assets. This may be a sign=
 of things to come.=C2=A0

Barbara








Hi =E2=80=93 I was wondering if any other U.S.-based attendees have been as=
ked by their employers to fill out =E2=80=9Cexport control forms=E2=80=9D f=
or the laptop you took along to the IETF focuses on so-called =E2=80=9Cdual=
 use=E2=80=9D technologies.=C2=A0













This was the first time during international travel that I was asked t=
o do so and, frankly, the whole thing seems kind of odd. Our legal folks sa=
id that all large companies do this, especially companies like Cisco, Apple=
, Facebook, Google, etc., but I
 have never heard another IETF participant mention it.











The form I filled out had a special emphasis on any software that cont=
ained 
encryption, and for each line item of software (e.g. MS Office) they lo=
cated an Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) that they then include=
d in whatever they sent to the U.S. government (presumably the Dept. of Com=
merce, Dept. of State, Dept. of
 Treasury).







Thanks for any feedback!







Jason









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o Hall
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chnology
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(f) 202-637-0968
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One point here needs to be stressed, I think.

Vasily,

> It is an attempt to enforce a dress code.

It is not.

> If some persons with university degrees want to wear used underwear only,
> then other persons with university degree should have a right to wear
> mini-skirts.

It has nothing to do with whether they have university degrees.  It
has to do with their roles -- why they were there.

It doesn't matter what we wear when we're participating in IETF discussions=
.

> I could discuss SDN switch architecture even with a nude girl (being
> bothered for her not to get cold, though ;) )

Sure... as I said, participating in IETF discussions.

But...

Many of us find it offensive and inappropriate when a company puts
people out there solely to attract attention, and not to actually
participate in the IETF.  That's the first thing.

> I am greatly disappointed with all this fuss, which means from my point o=
f
> view, that there are some unsufficient load with the current brain extens=
ive
> work for IETF participants, that they raise clothes questions and waste s=
o
> much time and effort for that.

The second thing brings us to the reason that the appearance of these
women mattered.  We wouldn't like it if they were dressed just like
everyone else, but were overtly doing sales and marketing, as that's
not what this was supposed to be about.  The people staffing the B&B
tables are supposed to be supporting the technical display and
explanations.  But having sales/marketing people, in itself, would
have only caused mild grumbling.

The fact that they appeared to be there as *decoration* was what made
it really offensive.

And the fact that they were women in short, tight dresses (and, I
note, ones whose design made it clear that they were specifically
given these dresses to wear at the event; it wasn't their choice of
wardrobe) made it particularly offensive because of the message that
sends about the role of women at the IETF -- a message that I
certainly don't support, and that I think very many of us don't
support (as has been made clear by this discussion).

Vasily, please don't dismiss the very real offense that many of us
have taken from this (and I thank Ond=C5=99ej for his comments on this
matter).  It's OK if you were not offended by it.  Understand that
many of us were, and quite deeply so.  It's not that we're wasting
brain power by talking about this.  It's that this is a very emotional
issue for many.  Please understand that, and take it seriously.

Thanks.

Barry


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All, 

We are trying to improve the IETF mentoring program.  But before we re-design or focus the program, we want to find out who is coming to the IETF meetings and why they come.    There are a number of motivations and types of attendees.  Our hope is to have a mentoring program that helps them to better achieve their goals. 

We are also setting up an email list where people can discuss their suggestions for the mentoring program. 

So, if you would, we would really appreciate if you could take the following survey. This is the same survey as was sent out a couple of days ago - so if you have done it, then you do not need to do it again.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YVKCTFB 

We will close the survey on August 7, 2015.  There is room for 1,000 participants.  We only have 24 responses so far so it would be great to have more!  We especially would like comments from mentees as to what worked or what did not work for them.

Thanks so much! 

Mentoring Team: 
---------------------- 
Nalini Elkins 
Marius Georgescu 
Vinayak Hegde 
Kevin Chege 

Mentor Coordinators 
--------------------------- 
Wes Eddy 
Dan Romascanu  
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
(831) 659-8360
www.insidethestack.com


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> One point here needs to be stressed, I think.

Not one but a handful... ;)
I leave the only one.

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> Vasily,
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>
> Vasily, please don't dismiss the very real offense that many of us
> have taken from this (and I thank Ond=C5=99ej for his comments on this
> matter).  It's OK if you were not offended by it.  Understand that
> many of us were, and quite deeply so.  It's not that we're wasting
> brain power by talking about this.  It's that this is a very emotional
> issue for many.  Please understand that, and take it seriously.

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Vasily,




Vasily, please don't dismiss the very real offense that many of us

have taken from this (and I thank Ond=C5=99ej for his comments on this

matter).=C2=A0 It's OK if you were not offended by it.=C2=A0 Understand=
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many of us were, and quite deeply so.=C2=A0 It's not that we're was=
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issue for many.=C2=A0 Please understand that, and take it seriously.
I understand it and deeply regret about this fact.



Thanks.



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On 7/25/15, 2:24 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <93atten=
dees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of bwi=
etf@bwijnen.net> wrote:

On 25/07/15 10:13, Michal Krsek wrote:
So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting IETF and comm=
unity of Internet engineers (providing free software and other projects) an=
d we should help the event management to make Bits-and-bites form widely ac=
ceptable.
+1 and very well said.

  And a +1 to that too.

I did/do not want to react to this discussion at all.
So this is the only posting I will do about it

I am very surprised about all the fuss that this generated. Comon,
these comments on this list are just blowing up the whole thing.
I had not even seen these ladies, but when I saw the picture on facebook,
I think they were dressed nicely. One may wonder indeed if we need that at =
bits
and bytes, but it is noit word the fuss that this has generated.

A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of the behol=
der, no?

  Sort of. It=92s what the beholder thinks is in your eye. Puritanism, most=
ly but not exclusively
an American affliction, is always concerned with what other people think an=
d aimed a
correcting perceived flaws in other people.  Dress codes, like speech codes=
, are just a
form of control, imposed on the masses by their betters, and are justified =
because
someone somewhere might possibly be inclined to think the wrong kind of tho=
ught,
with wrong defined by the =93enlightened=94 beholder.

  They did not succeed in obtaining my business card, which seemed to reall=
y be their
purpose at bits&bytes, so in the eye of this beholder it=92s no harm, no fo=
ul.

  Dan.



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On 7/25/15, 2:24 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Bert Wijnen (IETF)=
" <93attendees-boun=
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bwietf@bwijnen.net> wrote:














On 25/07/15 10:13, Michal Krsek wrote:




So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting IETF and=
 community of Internet engineers (providing free software and other project=
s) and we should help the event management to make Bits-and-bites form wide=
ly acceptable.




+1 and very well said.














  And a +1 to that too. 














I did/do not want to react to this discussion at all.


So this is the only posting I will do about it







I am very surprised about all the fuss that this generated. Comon,

these comments on this list are just blowing up the whole thing.


I had not even seen these ladies, but when I saw the picture on facebo=
ok,


I think they were dressed nicely. One may wonder indeed if we need tha=
t at bits


and bytes, but it is noit word the fuss that this has generated.







A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of the =
beholder, no?














  Sort of. It=92s what the beholder thinks is in your eye. Purita=
nism, mostly but not exclusively


an American affliction, is always concerned with what other people thi=
nk and aimed a


correcting perceived flaws in other people.  Dress codes, like sp=
eech codes, are just a


form of control, imposed on the masses by their betters, and are justi=
fied because


someone somewhere might possibly be inclined to think the wrong kind o=
f thought,


with wrong defined by the =93enlightened=94 beholder.







  They did not succeed in obtaining my business card, which seeme=
d to really be their


purpose at bits&bytes, so in the eye of this beholder it=92s no ha=
rm, no foul.







  Dan.














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> On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:29 AM, Randall Gellens =
 wrote:
>=20
> That section contains a rather glaring non sequitur: "Since attendees =
must wear their name tags, they must also wear shirts or blouses." This =
would be debatable even if the name tags used pins, but since lanyards =
are provided, this is obviously not so.  Further, some attendees wear =
their name tags on their pants.

As a CEO at a prior company I worked at noted: People should take care =
to wear their name tags in a location they want people actively staring =
at intently.

-- Jeff=


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On 07/25/2015 05:13 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> Has it occurred to any of you who are flashing the term “booth
> babes” as if it were neutral that it is itself in fact just as
> misogynistic as anything else being said here?   I agree with Randy
> that we should drop this discussion, but if you must continue to
> blather on about it, please at least don’t use the term “booth
> babes” as if it were a valid way to classify women while at the
> same time accusing others of misogyny.
> 

+1

Would it be an idea though to discuss this issue outside of the
context of this specific incident? All the discussion on this issue
might indicate this is something to unpack.

> If this comment feels unfair, please consider that nobody is
> perfect, and everybody has a bit of internalized misogyny because
> we (most if not all of us) live in misogynistic cultures, some more
> so, some less so, but all to some extent.

+1

> So the fact that I have just used the term “misogyny” in a way that
> might refer to you, the reader, does not mean that I intend to
> shame you or put you down.   It just means that on a very practical
> level, if you want to talk about misogyny, you need to do a little
> reflection first, and maybe engage in the discussion in a less
> public forum.
> 

Agree, my bad. And apologies to everyone for using the term.


> _______________________________________________ 93attendees
> mailing list 93attendees@ietf.org 
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At 4:37 PM +1200 7/24/15, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>  On 24/07/2015 07:29, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>  Pretty much my experience.  Of course this is the fault of the 
>> hotel and their provider, not our own people who have been working 
>> hard to try and fix an unsolvable problem.
>
>  It works most of the time where I am (in the 1080's). Just as well, 
> since my wife has got the hard wired connection. Anyway, never 
> blame our NOC for hotel infrastructure problems.

I'm not sure how can you be in the 1080s when the hotel has only 8 
floors? (We were talking about in-room Wi-Fi).  I am also puzzled by 
your admonishment to never blame our NOC for hotel infra problems, 
because I don't recall a single message by myself or anyone that did 
that.  Perhaps there were some that did but I missed them?


>   >>   > -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>>>   Haas
>>>>   Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:56 PM
>>>>   To: 93attendees@ietf.org
>>>>   Subject: [93attendees] Prague IETF-HOTEL SSID issues
>>>>
>>>>   Note that I've already chatted with the NOC about this.
>>>>
>>>>   The IETF-HOTEL SSID doesn't seem to always handle you moving around
>>>>   between base stations very well. The symptom I was experiencing 
>>>> was IP not
>>>>   generally working after working in a different location.
>>>>
>>>>   Resetting my radio seems to clear the issue.
>>>>
>>>>   -- Jeff
>>>
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Barry Leiba wrote:

> One point here needs to be stressed, I think.
> 
> Vasily,
> 
> > It is an attempt to enforce a dress code.
> 
> It is not.
> 
> > If some persons with university degrees want to wear used underwear only,
> > then other persons with university degree should have a right to wear
> > mini-skirts.
> 
> It has nothing to do with whether they have university degrees.  It
> has to do with their roles -- why they were there.
> 
> It doesn't matter what we wear when we're participating in IETF discussions.
> 
> > I could discuss SDN switch architecture even with a nude girl (being
> > bothered for her not to get cold, though ;) )
> 
> Sure... as I said, participating in IETF discussions.
> 
> But...
> 
> Many of us find it offensive and inappropriate when a company puts
> people out there solely to attract attention, and not to actually
> participate in the IETF.  That's the first thing.
> 
> > I am greatly disappointed with all this fuss, which means from my point of
> > view, that there are some unsufficient load with the current brain extensive
> > work for IETF participants, that they raise clothes questions and waste so
> > much time and effort for that.
> 
> The second thing brings us to the reason that the appearance of 
> these women mattered.  We wouldn't like it if they were dressed just 
> like everyone else, but were overtly doing sales and marketing, as 
> that's not what this was supposed to be about.  The people staffing 
> the B&B tables are supposed to be supporting the technical display 
> and explanations.  But having sales/marketing people, in itself, 
> would have only caused mild grumbling.
> 
> The fact that they appeared to be there as *decoration* was what 
> made it really offensive.
> 
> And the fact that they were women in short, tight dresses (and, I 
> note, ones whose design made it clear that they were specifically 
> given these dresses to wear at the event; it wasn't their choice of 
> wardrobe) made it particularly offensive because of the message that 
> sends about the role of women at the IETF -- a message that I 
> certainly don't support, and that I think very many of us don't 
> support (as has been made clear by this discussion).
> 
> Vasily, please don't dismiss the very real offense that many of us 
> have taken from this (and I thank Ondej for his comments on this 
> matter).  It's OK if you were not offended by it.  Understand that 
> many of us were, and quite deeply so.  It's not that we're wasting 
> brain power by talking about this.  It's that this is a very 
> emotional issue for many.  Please understand that, and take it 
> seriously.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Barry
> 

Barry,

I agree with everything you've said above. I just wanted to add a 
couple of things:

In a lengthy Facebook thread I was asked "how could this have 
happened?" and I my response can best be summarised as follows:

I think the IAOC were as surprised by this "action" as CZNIC was 
surprised by the *reaction*. I don't think that means our hosts are 
out of touch with what Bits and Bites is all about, but I *do* think 
it means that cultural norms an sensitivites differ between different 
countries. (I think Vasily's reaction is an example of just that).

This explanation apparently did not sit well with some people who 
think I am dismissing the concerns expressed and that I implied that 
"it's OK because we're in Europe." I did not say that and I do not 
mean that.

We're an international organization which means that from time we will 
encounter situations that might surprise and even offend some of our 
participants. The best we can do is to learn from these experiences, 
develop appropriate guidelines, and do our best to avoid repeating 
mistakes.

See you all in Yokohama! As you may have heard, I am organizing a 
special lunchtime and evening "musical diversion" on Wednesday, 
November 4. For details see: http://www.yokohama-organdemo.org/

Ole


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Ondrej,

Thank you very much for taking responsibility for this choice, and for =
your apology.  I think that at least half of the fault for this issue =
lies with the IETF -- we did not do a good job of communicating with the =
participating companies about the nature of the Bits & Bites event. =
Hopefully this can be a learning experience for all of us, and we will =
succeed in avoiding this sort of thing in the future.

I don't believe that anyone who is concerned about the appropriateness =
of this activity at the IETF has anything against the women, themselves. =
 We know they were simply doing a job that is considered appropriate in =
some settings.  We find it inappropriate for this sort of thing to =
happen at the IETF, which is an engineering conference not a trade show. =
 It is important that we create a professional environment at the IETF =
that is comfortable for all of our attendees.

Your company did a wonderful job of hosting our meeting, especially the =
social event.  The food and drink at the social event were tasty and =
plentiful, and the entertainment was very well-targetted, fun and =
appropriate.  Despite this issue at Bits & Bites, I left Prague with a =
very favorable view of your company and your beautiful city.  I also =
greatly appreciate your support of the IETF.

Margaret




On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Ondrej Filip  wrote:

> Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
>=20
> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
> know our company very well.
>=20
> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>=20
> 		Ondrej Filip
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> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>> Hi all,
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>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short =
skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>=20
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I =
don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the =
IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
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>> Best regards,
>>=20
>> Jose
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>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Tim Chown  wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 23 Jul 2015, at 18:28, Ted Lemon  wrote:
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>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:32 AM, George, Wes  wr=
ote:
>>> I think that there would be real value in you and some of your fellow
>>> AP-wranglers writing an informational Internet Draft discussing some of
>>> the challenges you've faced and best practices you have learned while
>>> beating wifi into submission for a high-density installation and intensi=
ve
>>> user base over multiple years.
>>=20
>> I think so too, although this may be perceived as a somewhat cruel reward=
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> Indeed, but it would be so awesome too :)
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> There=E2=80=99s this one of course, but a bit dated now (time passes so qu=
ickly!):
> http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~andreaf/downloads/ietf_measures.pdf

Hey! This is good!! I've never seen it.

In addition it would be nice to be able to contrast the experience at 62 and=
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My concern is that what we saw last week is not the acceptation but the new "=
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Jon

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On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

On 23 J=
ul 2015, at 18:28, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:

On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:32 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> wrote:
I think that there w=
ould be real value in you and some of your fellow
AP-wranglers writing an informational Internet Draft discussing some of
the challenges you've faced and best practic=
es you have learned while
beating wifi into s=
ubmission for a high-density installation and intensive
user base over multiple years.
<=
br class=3D"">
I think so too, although this may be perceived=
 as a somewhat cruel reward for all these years of hard work!

Indeed, but it would be so awesome=
 too :)

There=E2=80=99s this one of cour=
se, but a bit dated now (time passes so quickly!):

Hey! This is good!! I've never seen it.

In addition it would be nice to be able to contrast t=
he experience at 62 and 93

My concern is that what w=
e saw last week is not the acceptation but the new "normal"

Jon


Tim

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At 7:17 AM -0400 7/24/15, Michael StJohns wrote:

>  Many many years ago at the Cocoa Beach IETF I remember looking to 
> my right and seeing a not quite dripping wet attendee in bathing 
> suit and t-shirt who had used the break to take a quick dip in the 
> ocean.

I don't care if people wear bathing suits (or even shirts), but I'm 
surprised that the attendee didn't dry off enough to not drip before 
rejoining the meeting.

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At 2:43 PM +0000 7/24/15, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote:

>  Because it is likely that plastic corners of the badge holder will 
> be annoyingly scratchy to the shirtless (though golem didn't 
> complain)?
>
>  ( I think lanyards were less common when the text was originally written.

Both are matters for the individual to decide.

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At 4:38 PM +0000 7/24/15, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote:

>  I don't think the root of the problem was the way that they were 
> dressed as much as it was that their looks and attire seemed to be 
> the reason that they were there. They didn't participate in 
> explaining the company's technology.
>
>  The purpose of Bits and Bytes, I think, is to provide for vendors 
> to show what they are doing with IETF technology, e.g. practical 
> demos of how the technology we develop is being applied and tests 
> of proposed protocols.
>  Booth staff usually are there to explain the demos and that is the 
> way it should be. It certainly isn't unusual for booth staff to be 
> wearing company provided items (e.g. shirts) to help identify them.
>
>  I'm uncomfortable with implementing a dress code as a way to deal with this.

I'm surprised that it was (obviously) not sufficient to simply 
explain to vendors that booth models will backfire and cause the 
vendor to be viewed as likely lacking expertise,

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Yes,

The BnB event was very good for IETF overall.  The organized space was=20
larger than at earlier bnbs, the topics were more various, and in close=20
relation with topics in WGs.  Thanks for having organized it.

Alex

Le 26/07/2015 18:01, Margaret Cullen a =E9crit :
> Ondrej,
>
> Thank you very much for taking responsibility for this choice, and for =
your apology.  I think that at least half of the fault for this issue lie=
s with the IETF -- we did not do a good job of communicating with the par=
ticipating companies about the nature of the Bits & Bites event. Hopefull=
y this can be a learning experience for all of us, and we will succeed in=
 avoiding this sort of thing in the future.
>
> I don't believe that anyone who is concerned about the appropriateness =
of this activity at the IETF has anything against the women, themselves. =
 We know they were simply doing a job that is considered appropriate in s=
ome settings.  We find it inappropriate for this sort of thing to happen =
at the IETF, which is an engineering conference not a trade show.  It is =
important that we create a professional environment at the IETF that is c=
omfortable for all of our attendees.
>
> Your company did a wonderful job of hosting our meeting, especially the=
 social event.  The food and drink at the social event were tasty and ple=
ntiful, and the entertainment was very well-targetted, fun and appropriat=
e.  Despite this issue at Bits & Bites, I left Prague with a very favorab=
le view of your company and your beautiful city.  I also greatly apprecia=
te your support of the IETF.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Ondrej Filip  wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
>> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the=

>> company I take the full responsibility.
>>
>> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
>> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
>> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
>> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
>> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
>> know our company very well.
>>
>> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
>> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>>
>> 		Ondrej Filip
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short sk=
irts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>>
>>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don=
't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF sh=
ould avoid it (IMHO).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jose
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 93attendees mailing list
>>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>>
>>
>> --=20
>> (  CZ.NIC z.s.p.o.                              )
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Ondrej Filip  -  CEO
>>
>> Office : Milesovska 5, Praha 3,  Czech Republic
>> Email  : ondrej.filip@nic.cz  http://www.nic.cz
>> Private: feela@network.cz
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> 93attendees@ietf.org
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    Yes,

      

      The BnB event was very good for IETF overall.=A0 The organized spac=
e
      was larger than at earlier bnbs, the topics were more various, and
      in close relation with topics in WGs.=A0 Thanks for having organize=
d
      it.

      

      Alex

      

    Le 26/07/2015 18:01, Margaret Cullen a =E9crit=A0:

    

      
Ondrej,

Thank you very much for taking responsibility for this choice, and for yo=
ur apology.  I think that at least half of the fault for this issue lies =
with the IETF -- we did not do a good job of communicating with the parti=
cipating companies about the nature of the Bits & Bites event. Hopefu=
lly this can be a learning experience for all of us, and we will succeed =
in avoiding this sort of thing in the future.

I don't believe that anyone who is concerned about the appropriateness of=
 this activity at the IETF has anything against the women, themselves.  W=
e know they were simply doing a job that is considered appropriate in som=
e settings.  We find it inappropriate for this sort of thing to happen at=
 the IETF, which is an engineering conference not a trade show.  It is im=
portant that we create a professional environment at the IETF that is com=
fortable for all of our attendees.

Your company did a wonderful job of hosting our meeting, especially the s=
ocial event.  The food and drink at the social event were tasty and plent=
iful, and the entertainment was very well-targetted, fun and appropriate.=
  Despite this issue at Bits & Bites, I left Prague with a very favor=
able view of your company and your beautiful city.  I also greatly apprec=
iate your support of the IETF.

Margaret




On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Ondrej Filip <ondrej.filip@nic.cz> w=
rote:



      

        
Hello!
First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
company I take the full responsibility.

Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
know our company very well.

Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
sensitivity. I am very sorry.

		Ondrej Filip



On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:


        

          
Hi all,

In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short sk=
irts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.

I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't l=
ike. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should=
 avoid it (IMHO).

Best regards,

Jose

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Office : Milesovska 5, Praha 3,  Czech Republic
Email  : ondrej.filip@nic.cz  http://www.nic.cz
Private: feela@network.cz
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On 27/07/2015 02:50, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 4:37 PM +1200 7/24/15, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> 
>>  On 24/07/2015 07:29, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>>  Pretty much my experience.  Of course this is the fault of the hotel and their provider, not our own people who have been
>>> working hard to try and fix an unsolvable problem.
>>
>>  It works most of the time where I am (in the 1080's). Just as well, since my wife has got the hard wired connection. Anyway,
>> never blame our NOC for hotel infrastructure problems.
> 
> I'm not sure how can you be in the 1080s when the hotel has only 8 floors? 

Because the first floor rooms were numbered 10xx.

> (We were talking about in-room Wi-Fi).  I am also
> puzzled by your admonishment to never blame our NOC for hotel infra problems, because I don't recall a single message by myself
> or anyone that did that.  Perhaps there were some that did but I missed them?

Well, it's happened in the past. You are correct; I don't recall any such
messages this time.

(BTW, I was impressed that when, as we were told, 50% of the core equipment
failed, it was possible to reconfigure round that problem with no apparent
capacity crisis. So not only was the NOC crew able to respond to the problem,
but also the advance planning was done right. Thank you.)

   Bian

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At 7:02 PM +0200 7/26/15, Ben Campbell wrote:

>>  I'm not sure how can you be in the 1080s when the hotel has only 8 floors?
>
>  1080 == 1st guest floor, 80th room. (Yes, some or all floors had 
> over 99 rooms, requiring a 4 digit convention.)

Thanks, I completely forgot that the hotel had a 1st floor with guest rooms!

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when one finds onself in a hole, it is wisest to stop digging.  this
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On 24 Jul 2015, at 17:54, trevor.chandler  =
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> Be glad they didn't charge you for
> the water.  I've had a restaurant to
> charge me $1.50 for a cup of hot
> water.

Beer is cheaper in Prague!

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> On 24 Jul 2015, at 10:37, Randall Gellens  =
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> At 11:13 AM +0200 7/24/15, Aaron Falk wrote:
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>> I saw a great deal of FUD about the dangers of Prague (or cities, in =
general), pickpockets and such.  In my experience, this has been a great =
city for an IETF and I'd love to come back.  The hotel was nice, the =
food and beer were cheap, the city is attractive, the flight was =
reasonable cost.  As most folks have experienced, there were some bumps =
(hotel reservations, network stability) but they seemed transient and =
fixable in a future visit.  Did the threats of pickpockets materialize?
>=20
> I hope you're not suggesting that pickpockets are nonexistent here. At =
previous IETFs here there were a number of IETF participants who =
reported being victimized.  (Not that this is unique to Prague in any =
way.)  To characterize cautions against pickpockets as FUD seems a bit =
dismissive.  I hope that no participant was victimized, and that perhaps =
the cautions helped.

I=E2=80=99m aware of one delegate who was relieved of his wallet from =
his front jeans pocket.

> As European locations go, Prague seems on the whole OK.  As with every =
location, it has both advantages and disadvantages.  The difficulty in =
finding non-smoking restaurants, and the amount of smoke present in =
various locations within the hotel, were problems for me, but not =
sufficient to rule out Prague again.  The fact that we were given =
transit passes was a definite advantage.

The transit passes were great to have. Of course we could have just =
bought them, but to have them given out freely encouraged us to explore =
the city. I know of some who went to venues right at the end of the =
tracks! I hope such a system is repeated at future events; it was great =
to have. Thank you!

The smoking is interesting. Most places I went didn=E2=80=99t have =
smoking, or had enough separation. There were a couple that were smoking =
throughout, including the - rather oddly named - Prague Beer Museum. In =
a way, while I don=E2=80=99t like smoking bars, it was interesting to =
relive the 1990=E2=80=99s and smoky bars again. Maybe that was the =
museum part :)

> You say that the network problems are fixable on a future visit. =46rom =
the NOC reports, I'd say that depends on if the hotel's provider =
replaces the APs, or guests bring their own APs (which I regret not =
doing).

Yes, the ietf-hotel SSID was rather flaky. The main ietf/eduroam SSID =
was generally very good though, which is what really matters. Again, a =
big thank you to the operators :)

Tim

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Hello,

>> Be glad they didn't charge you for
>> the water.  I've had a restaurant to
>> charge me $1.50 for a cup of hot
>> water.
> Beer is cheaper in Prague!
>
> The value for money in Prague was exceptional in every place I went. The only expensive place was the Hilton, but I never ate there.

different countries have different rules. I believe that they charged 
hot water as a "tea" or some other hot drink. Price of those drinks 
should be like this in little expensive restaurants.

But be sure - you can easily have a average lunch for $5 (may be without 
beer) in Prague. On the other hand there is at least on restaurant la 
degustation bohme bourgeoise ( http://www.ladegustation.cz/en/ ) where 
you can leave $300 for really fine dinner for two (and this is 
considered as high end here).

             With kind regards
                     Michal


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Hi,

> On 25 Jul 2015, at 05:23, Aaron Falk  wrote:
>=20
> Just a word of advice.=20
>=20
> Last night I asked about reserving a morning car for the airport and =
was told by the front desk that I should 'just show up, there will be =
lots of cabs'.  My flight is at 7 so I arrived out front at 5am and =
there were no cabs.  Also, two sets of folks waiting for airport cars =
they had reserved for 5.  A car arrived about 10 minutes later and the =
first group was nice enough to let me squeeze in.  (I hope that Adam =
Roach, who we left behind, made it safely to his flight.) So, my advice =
is to be a bit conservative about when you leave for the airport. =20
>=20
> Also the line at Czech airlines was -very- long.
>=20
> Goodbye, Prague. Safe travels everyone!  Looking forward to seeing you =
all in Yokohama!!

I didn=E2=80=99t realise while there, but it turns out Prague was (is!) =
an Uber city (in many ways :) so do remember that as an option.

I happened to jump in an available local mini-van cab with some other =
delegates, also having not ordered one in advance. We got a very =
roundabout trip to the airport, seeing some lovely local villages, and =
nothing of the motorway we came in from the airport on on Sunday! The =
driver was clearly adding some extra miles to the trip=E2=80=A6 but it =
wasn=E2=80=99t too much extra time, and it was interesting in a way.

But anyway, remember there is Uber if you=E2=80=99re stuck. I=E2=80=99ve =
yet to have a bad experience with them, at least. Someone else reported =
a very reasonable 300Kr (or so) fare to the airport.

Tim


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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:40:14PM +0200, Warren Kumari wrote:
> On Friday, July 24, 2015, trevor.chandler  wrote:
> 
> > Ouch!  Incredible.   I guess times are
> > tough all over, not just in Greece.
> >
> >
> Luckily, things like this *never* occur in $home_country, especially to
> tourists.
> 
> Here in Prague things are, apparently different - I, for example, was
> murdered no less than four times...

	The only murders I heard about were in homenet.

	If you can't be safe in your home, then Prague was a dream.

	It's on my list of cities to revisit.

	- Jared

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On 7/27/2015 9:08 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> when one finds onself in a hole, it is wisest to stop digging.  this
> thread is inappropriate.


Discussion is primarily about institutionally-imposed sexist behaviors.

In the face of concerns about harassment in the IETF and a
not-inconsiderable sense among many women in our community that we guys
frequently behave quite badly towards and around them, it is not only
appropriate that we carefully consider what constraints we impose on
exhibitors (and ourselves. It is imperative.

d/

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> On 27 Jul 2015, at 13:59, Dave Crocker  wrote:
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> On 7/27/2015 9:08 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> when one finds onself in a hole, it is wisest to stop digging.  this
>> thread is inappropriate.
>=20
>=20
> Discussion is primarily about institutionally-imposed sexist =
behaviors.

Note, however, that classification of sexist behaviors is subjective, =
and US views needn=E2=80=99t be universally accepted/acceptable around =
the globe. Also, I think the term =E2=80=9Cmisogyny=E2=80=9D that was =
used in this thread is completely inappropriate for this case. =46rom =
Wikipedia: Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.

Yes, it might be good to articulate rules or protocol for such events so =
that nobody can feel offended, but it is equally important to be =
reasonably tolerant to cultural differences.

Thanks, Lada

>=20
> In the face of concerns about harassment in the IETF and a
> not-inconsiderable sense among many women in our community that we =
guys
> frequently behave quite badly towards and around them, it is not only
> appropriate that we carefully consider what constraints we impose on
> exhibitors (and ourselves. It is imperative.
>=20
> d/
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> Dave Crocker
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Mostly by men,  mostly who are not subject matter experts, mostly =
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Mostly by men,  mostly who are not =
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:27:02PM +0200,
 Ladislav Lhotka  wrote 
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> Note, however, that classification of sexist behaviors is subjective

Certainly not: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a good
starting point and, as its name says, it is universal (like the IETF).

> US views needn’t be universally accepted/acceptable around the
> globe.

No need to come from the US to see these uses of women as sexist. I'm
french and was offended as well (and sorry for the IETF women).


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> On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:11, Stephane Bortzmeyer  =
wrote:
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:27:02PM +0200,
> Ladislav Lhotka  wrote=20
> a message of 28 lines which said:
>=20
>> Note, however, that classification of sexist behaviors is subjective
>=20
> Certainly not: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a good
> starting point and, as its name says, it is universal (like the IETF).

Please show me how the appearance of those girls in the event violated =
the Declaration.

Don=E2=80=99t get me wrong: I think it wasn=E2=80=99t appropriate =
because IMO marketing people simply don=E2=80=99t belong there. I =
don=E2=80=99t agree it has anything to do with sexism or misogyny.

Thanks, Lada

>=20
>> US views needn=E2=80=99t be universally accepted/acceptable around =
the
>> globe.
>=20
> No need to come from the US to see these uses of women as sexist. I'm
> french and was offended as well (and sorry for the IETF women).
>=20

--
Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs
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Aaron Falk writes:
> Did the threats of pickpockets materialize?

Being hobbled, as I was by a sprained ankle, tends to make someone
hyper aware of their vulnerability ... the lame gazelle separated from
the herd.  I was alert for the possibility that my infirmity might be
taken advantage of in various scenarios, but really none of that ever
materialized.

Pretty much the worst "being taken advantage of" that I experience
almost certainly had nothing to do with my injury but rather the cost
of convenience.  When I asked my hotel for a taxi to the hospital they
arranged one, and said it would be 250 CZK (~ 10 USD) for the ~ 1 km
trip.  Further, the taxi didn't take credit cards so the desk clerk
spot-changed $20 USD for me to 460 CZK, which isn't highway robbery
but was certainly on the lower end of exchange.

The return trip from the hospital, arranged by the people there, was
80 CZK (~ 3.25).

On the flip side of all that, even with no sort of applicable
insurance, the grand total cost for four x-rays, a wrap with an
analgesic pad, and a shiny new pair of crutches was about 50 USD.

This also all made for superb treatment by Swiss Air and various
airport personnel on the trip back ... enough so to briefly entertain
(but of course reject) the idea of faking injuries for all future
flights.


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Didn=B9t realize that disagreements in our WG meetings had escalated to the
point of physical injuries.

Are we shifting from hum to cage match?

Glad to hear about the low cost for medical care - yet another vote in
favor of benefits of this venue.




On 7/27/15, 10:26 AM, "David C Lawrence"  wrote:

>Aaron Falk writes:
>> Did the threats of pickpockets materialize?
>
>Being hobbled, as I was by a sprained ankle, tends to make someone
>hyper aware of their vulnerability ... the lame gazelle separated from
>the herd.  I was alert for the possibility that my infirmity might be
>taken advantage of in various scenarios, but really none of that ever
>materialized.
>
>Pretty much the worst "being taken advantage of" that I experience
>almost certainly had nothing to do with my injury but rather the cost
>of convenience.  When I asked my hotel for a taxi to the hospital they
>arranged one, and said it would be 250 CZK (~ 10 USD) for the ~ 1 km
>trip.  Further, the taxi didn't take credit cards so the desk clerk
>spot-changed $20 USD for me to 460 CZK, which isn't highway robbery
>but was certainly on the lower end of exchange.
>
>The return trip from the hospital, arranged by the people there, was
>80 CZK (~ 3.25).
>
>On the flip side of all that, even with no sort of applicable
>insurance, the grand total cost for four x-rays, a wrap with an
>analgesic pad, and a shiny new pair of crutches was about 50 USD.
>
>This also all made for superb treatment by Swiss Air and various
>airport personnel on the trip back ... enough so to briefly entertain
>(but of course reject) the idea of faking injuries for all future
>flights.
>
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Hi Tim,

> I didn’t realise while there, but it turns out Prague was (is!) an Uber city (in many ways :) so do remember that as an option.

It seems you've missed two e-mails before event starts and meeting wiki. 
Please use at least the meeting wiki as informations from various 
sources were put to the meeting wiki all the time.

> I happened to jump in an available local mini-van cab with some other delegates, also having not ordered one in advance. We got a very roundabout trip to the airport, seeing some lovely local villages, and nothing of the motorway we came in from the airport on on Sunday! The driver was clearly adding some extra miles to the trip… but it wasn’t too much extra time, and it was interesting in a way.

I'm not sure wehere you went (if you can share waypoints from your 
mobile phone I can judge), but there is a tram track works on the usual 
way from Hilton to the airport, so the area is getting congested from 
time to time (I have office near this work in progress).

> But anyway, remember there is Uber if you’re stuck. I’ve yet to have a bad experience with them, at least. Someone else reported a very reasonable 300Kr (or so) fare to the airport.

Uber nad their local copy "liftago" use to be following ride sharing 
option (but never tried to order a van thru them).

         With kind regards
                 Michal


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On 27/07/15 16:26, David C Lawrence wrote:
> Pretty much the worst "being taken advantage of" that I experience
> almost certainly had nothing to do with my injury but rather the cost
> of convenience.  When I asked my hotel for a taxi to the hospital they
> arranged one, and said it would be 250 CZK (~ 10 USD) for the ~ 1 km
> trip.  Further, the taxi didn't take credit cards so the desk clerk
> spot-changed $20 USD for me to 460 CZK, which isn't highway robbery
> but was certainly on the lower end of exchange.
>
> The return trip from the hospital, arranged by the people there, was
> 80 CZK (~ 3.25).
At the previous IETF we were also warned about the possibility that
taxi drivers might be cheating.

I then noticed that when taking a hotel taxi you were 100% sure to be cheated
or taken advantage of.
When taking a normal taxi, there was a chance to be cheated, but also a
good chance to be treated well.

Bert


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My experience was the opposite. Hotel taxi charged less to get to a venue th=
an the return trip. Maybe I was super cheated but either way it was affordab=
le and they issued receipts.=20

I had a hard time getting a return taxi so when he offered a rate that was h=
igher than expected it didn't seem to be horrible vs waking many km while ti=
red. It seemed to be in line with other large cities but high for what I saw=
 in the local market.=20

As always YMMV etc. seems like the super majority had a great time and good e=
xperience.=20

Jared Mauch

> On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Bert Wijnen (IETF)  wrote=
:
>=20
>=20
> I then noticed that when taking a hotel taxi you were 100% sure to be chea=
ted
> or taken advantage of.


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+1

I paid my Hotel 380 and a Taxi 150 for the same distance, roughly the same =
time
on different days.  The Hotel rate was fixed at 380, while the Taxi was met=
ered.

Very glad I didn't take the Hotel car to the airport.

-----Original Message-----
From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bert W=
ijnen (IETF)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:25 PM
To: David C Lawrence; 93attendees@ietf.org
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On 27/07/15 16:26, David C Lawrence wrote:
> Pretty much the worst "being taken advantage of" that I experience=20
> almost certainly had nothing to do with my injury but rather the cost=20
> of convenience.  When I asked my hotel for a taxi to the hospital they=20
> arranged one, and said it would be 250 CZK (~ 10 USD) for the ~ 1 km=20
> trip.  Further, the taxi didn't take credit cards so the desk clerk=20
> spot-changed $20 USD for me to 460 CZK, which isn't highway robbery=20
> but was certainly on the lower end of exchange.
>
> The return trip from the hospital, arranged by the people there, was
> 80 CZK (~ 3.25).
At the previous IETF we were also warned about the possibility that taxi dr=
ivers might be cheating.

I then noticed that when taking a hotel taxi you were 100% sure to be cheat=
ed or taken advantage of.
When taking a normal taxi, there was a chance to be cheated, but also a goo=
d chance to be treated well.

Bert

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At 10:26 AM -0400 7/27/15, David C Lawrence wrote:

>  When I asked my hotel for a taxi to the hospital they
>  arranged one, and said it would be 250 CZK (~ 10 USD) for the ~ 1 km
>  trip.  Further, the taxi didn't take credit cards so the desk clerk
>  spot-changed $20 USD for me to 460 CZK, which isn't highway robbery
>  but was certainly on the lower end of exchange.

If this was the Hilton and the in-house taxi, those take credit cards 
or you could have charged it to your room.  If it was not the Hilton, 
or the hotel called an outside taxi, then the rate would be lwoer but 
no guarantee of taking credit cards.

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A bunch of ietf93ers took the flight from Prague to San Francisco via Frankf=
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We were 15 minutes late leaving Prague and with only an hour to change plane=
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ur journey home tomorrow.=20

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I had a ticket open with the IETF NOC about the wifi on the 6th floor of
the Hilton. I tried to update it on Friday night but I guess since IETF was
over the tickets and their email were no longer available.  I wanted to let
folks know that although the wifi on the 6th floor was completely unusable
all week..  ( I had plenty of signal but was unable to do anything on the
network) As soon as the IETF network was turned off it worked well the rest
of the weekend.    I thought maybe this info would be helpful in the future
hotel networks.

Thanks!
-----Cathy

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I had a ticket open with the IETF NOC about the =
wifi on the 6th floor of the Hilton. I tried to update it on Friday night b=
ut I guess since IETF was over the tickets and their email were no longer a=
vailable.=C2=A0 I wanted to let folks know that although the wifi on the 6t=
h floor was completely unusable all week..=C2=A0 ( I had plenty of signal b=
ut was unable to do anything on the network) As soon as the IETF network wa=
s turned off it worked well the rest of the weekend.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I th=
ought maybe this info would be helpful in the future hotel networks.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 

Thanks!
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Benson Schliesser
 wrote:
> Yes, don't worry - many tools will figure out that we're in Prague this week
> in time for our next meeting in Yokohama. :)


So, much of this was my fault...

Geolocation providers have a hard time figuring out where out address
space lives -- it randomly appears in various countries for a week or
two, then disappears for a number of months, whois mumbles about
Switzerland (ISOC, ORG-IS136-RIPE) and USA (Reston VA 20190), etc.
Basically it is an odd set of blocks...

So, we (the IETF NOC) publish the location of our address space using
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-google-self-published-geofeeds-02
(an expired draft, which I am going to revive in the next week or
two). Unfortunately I *completely* forgot to update our feed (
http://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv ) until I was sitting on the lobby
of the Hilton, waiting to checkin. I quickly updated it then, but it
was too late for this to make a difference. Sorry all.

I have updated the file now in preparation for Yokohama and Buenos
Aires, so hopefully things will be better then...

W



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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Jim Martin  wrote:
>>
>> Nacho,
>>     We use the same IPv4 and IPv6 address space for every meeting.
>> Unfortunately, many geolocation tools lag in their updates and tend to point
>> at last meeting's location (or even further back). We've attempted to
>> address this in a number of ways including notifying geolocation and content
>> providers and bringing up the advertisements for the net early, but with
>> limited success. We continue to try to improve things, but as this is a
>> largely unstandardized process, it's a bit of 'whack a mole'.
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Ignacio Solis  wrote:
>>
>> I didn't see this mentioned on the list, but has anybody else noticed that
>> our IP addresses are still in Dallas?
>>
>> A few apps on my phone go a little crazy when leaving the building and
>> suddenly teleporting.
>>
>> Nacho
>>
>> --
>> Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
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Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a youtube of it:
https://youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA

Alex

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> +1 (or even 1000)
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> Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that =
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> Kireeti
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>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee  wrote:=

>>
>> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
>> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
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>> Lee
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>> On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"
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>>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congres=
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>>>
>>> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
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>>> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks=
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Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.

Lee

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Just a reminder - there will be a screening of C=
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Hello Alex,

Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 7/30/2015 1:44 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:
> Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a youtube of it:
> https://youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA
>
> Alex
>
> Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti Kompella a crit :
>> +1 (or even 1000)
>>
>> Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that someone took detailed minutes?
>>
>> Kireeti
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
>>> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"
>>> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress
>>>> Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.
>>>>
>>>> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>>>>
>>>> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks,
>>>> and see you there!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Nottinghamhttps://www.mnot.net/
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    Hello Alex,

    

    Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?

    

    Regards,

    Charlie P.

    

    

    
On 7/30/2015 1:44 AM, Alexandre
      PETRESCU wrote:

    

    

      
      Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a
        youtube of it:

        https://youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA

        

        Alex

      

      
Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti Kompella
        a crit:

      

      

        
+1 (or even 1000)

Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that someone took detailed minutes?

Kireeti



        

          
On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee <lee.howard@twcable.com> wrote:

Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.

Lee

On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net> wrote:



          

            
Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress
Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.

https://citizenfourfilm.com/

We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks,
and see you there!

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Hi,

I dont know whether someone subtitled it.  Technically it is an easy=20
operation.

Alex

Le 30/07/2015 13:53, Charles E. Perkins a =E9crit :
> Hello Alex,
>
> Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
> On 7/30/2015 1:44 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:
>> Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a youtube of it:
>> https://youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti Kompella a =E9crit :
>>> +1 (or even 1000)
>>>
>>> Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or tha=
t someone took detailed minutes?
>>>
>>> Kireeti
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee  wrot=
e:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
>>>> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>> On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"
>>>> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congr=
ess
>>>>> Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snac=
ks,
>>>>> and see you there!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Nottinghamhttps://www.mnot.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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    Hi,

      

      I dont know whether someone subtitled it.=A0 Technically it is an
      easy operation.

      

      Alex

    

    Le 30/07/2015 13:53, Charles E. Perkins a =E9crit=A0:

    
=

      
      Hello Alex,

      

      Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?
=

      

      Regards,

      Charlie P.

      

      

      
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        PETRESCU wrote:

      

      
 Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a youtube=

          of it:

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BCeVA

          

          Alex

        

        
Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti
          Kompella a =E9crit=A0:

        

        

          
+1 (or even 1000)

Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that so=
meone took detailed minutes?

Kireeti



          

            
On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee <lee.howard@twcable.com> wrote:

Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.

Lee

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<93attendees-bo=
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I recorded it on my iPhone, so the audio is not great... Sorry about that.

But I've released it under a CC0 license (
https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0) so people are welcome to add
improvements. :)

Cheers,
-Benson


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>  Hi,
>
> I dont know whether someone subtitled it.  Technically it is an easy
> operation.
>
> Alex
>
> Le 30/07/2015 13:53, Charles E. Perkins a =C3=A9crit :
>
> Hello Alex,
>
> Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
> On 7/30/2015 1:44 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:
>
> Chair's ietf-93 summary includes a youtube of it:
> https://youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA
>
> Alex
>
> Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti Kompella a =C3=A9crit :
>
> +1 (or even 1000)
>
> Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that so=
meone took detailed minutes?
>
> Kireeti
>
>
>  On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee   wrote:
>
> Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
> especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.
>
> Lee
>
> On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"<93attende=
es-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.o=
rgonbehalfofmnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>
>
>  Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFOUR in Congress
> Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.
> https://citizenfourfilm.com/
>
> We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snacks,
> and see you there!
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
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>
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I recorded it on my iPhone, so the audio is not great... S=
orry about that.

But I've released it under a CC0 li=
cense (https://creativeco=
mmons.org/about/cc0) so people are welcome to add improvements. :)
=

Cheers,
-Benson


On Thu, Jul 30, 201=
5 at 8:22 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>=
; wrote:

 =20
   =20
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    Hi,

      

      I dont know whether someone subtitled it.=C2=A0 Technically it is an
      easy operation.

      

      Alex

    

    Le 30/07/2015 13:53, Charles E. Perkins a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

    

     =20
      Hello Alex,

      

      Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?

      

      Regards,

      Charlie P.

      

      

      
On 7/30/2015 1:44 AM, Alexandre
        PETRESCU wrote:

      

      
 Chair's iet=
f-93 summary includes a youtube
          of it:

          https:=
//youtu.be/0NvsUXBCeVA

          

          Alex

        

        
Le 20/07/2015 08:26, Kireeti
          Kompella a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

        

        

          
+1 (or even 1000)

Many thanks to the organizers!  Any chance this was recorded?  Or that some=
one took detailed minutes?

Kireeti



          

            
On Jul 19, 2015, at 22:29, Howard, Lee <lee.howard@twcable.com>=
 wrote:

Thank you for organizing this. I found it to be very rewarding, and
especially the very memorable Q&A session afterward.

Lee

On 7/18/15, 2:40 PM, "93attendees on behalf of Mark Nottingham"
<93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mnot@mnot.net&g=
t; wrote:



            

              
Just a reminder - there will be a screening of CITIZENFO=
UR in Congress
Hall I at 7pm tomorrow, right after the welcome reception.

https://citizenf=
ourfilm.com/

We're planning a Q&A session afterwards. Bring your own drinks/snac=
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and see you there!

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Hi Charlie,

Before I detected the report here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/20/=
edward_snowden_to_the_ietf_please_design_an_internet_for_the_user_not_the_s=
py/

I had only found a German summary at

http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Snowden-Appell-an-die-IETF-Schuetzt-die-I=
nternetnutzer-2753289.html



which I tried to translate (with MS Translators help) as follows:

NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at Internet Engineering Task Force address=
ed the participants of IETF 93:

He appealed to technically prevent the next generation of attacks on the in=
frastructure. Edward Snowden during a live connection demanded from the Int=
ernet Engineering Task Force (IETF) to develop the "next generation of prot=
ocols to protect against the next generation of attacks". Standards should =
help users to safely 'surf' through the network called the NSA whistleblowe=
r with a view on the IETF Internet standards and warned: "if technology its=
elf becomes the risk, it is our fault, because we leave the development to =
others instead of intervening ourselves." Concrete proposals
The wish list Snowden delivered on Sunday night at IETF-93 includes quantum=
 cryptography, a renewed DNS and especially the closure of universal global=
 identifier in the network. After a video projection of the documentary fil=
m Citizenfour, the whistleblower, who is stuck in Moscow, answered the abou=
t one hour questions of engineers and campaigned for the detachment of the =
"identity of the person" in the network. The IETF developers acknowledged S=
nowdens participation with standing ovations.  "We need to separate permane=
ntly identity and person", Snowden confirmed the about 500 participants of =
the IETF (really?). Pervasive encryption of content, as it could be reality=
 in 15 or 20 years, doesn't help if at the same time, metadata allow a moni=
toring and profiling. "We kill based on metadata", Snowden quoted the ex-NS=
A Chief Michael Hayden. Developers would have to enable users, to be in the=
 net either a "Generic person, a non-person, or a completely anonymous pers=
on".

Priority of the user
The whistleblower especially emphasized the primacy of the will of users an=
d of fundamental rights on the net. The interests of governments, but also =
of companies in metadata should be secondary after public interest in secur=
e unobserved communications. The task of developers and administrators is "=
to safely help on the network path".  Exactly this "network path" is curren=
tly the most dangerous area in the network. The used middleboxes and the in=
stallation of lawful interception, which barge in between user and destinat=
ion address automatically create vulnerabilities, the ex-NSA analyst argued=
. We are already far away from the original ideal concept of a stupid core/=
transport network and smart endpoints. "We now have very dumb endpoints and=
 a deadly core network", Snowden said. A significant risk would also be tha=
t dangerous technology, as the surveillance by unmanned drones, will be com=
mercially further developed by retiring experts and made market ready.

With technology against surveillance
Snowden entered in his answers very specifically on the work of the IETF an=
d warned about the recently proposed idea to provide middle boxes through a=
 new Protocol with the working title "Spud" with some data, to prevent disc=
onnections or deep packet inspection. His plea for the restoration of end t=
o-end principle - "the easiest path is the best" - was applauded extensivel=
y by many IETF participants. Snowden hoped for the reduction of metadata by=
 other IETF work, e.g. the effort towards a more privacy friendly DNS inclu=
ding the developments of DANE and DNSSEC. Finally, he advised IETF strongly=
 to pay more attention to Quantum Cryptography. Without encryption, which r=
esists quantum computers of the future, powerful attackers such as the inte=
lligence services could decrypt in the future, what they have saved over ma=
ny years.



So at least with respect to the impact of Spud both sources have understood=
 differently ;-)



Maybe this helps



Best Regards
Dirk





Hello Alex,



Perhaps too much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?



Regards,

Charlie P.



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Hi Charlie,
Before I detected the report here: http://www.theregister.co.=
uk/2015/07/20/edward_snowden_to_the_ietf_please_design_an_internet_for_the_=
user_not_the_spy/ 
I had only found a German summary at 
http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Snowden-Appel=
l-an-die-IETF-Schuetzt-die-Internetnutzer-2753289.html
  =
 
which I tried to translate (with MS Translators help) as follows: =

 
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at Internet Engineering Task =
Force addressed the participants of IETF 93:
 
He appealed to technically p=
revent the next generation of attacks on the infrastructure. Edward Snowden=
 during a live connection demanded from the Internet Engineering Task Force=
 (IETF) to develop the "next generation of protocols to protect agains=
t the next generation of attacks". Standards should help users to safe=
ly ‘surf’ through the network called the NSA whistleblower with=
 a view on the IETF Internet standards and warned: "if technology itse=
lf becomes the risk, it is our fault, because we leave the development to o=
thers instead of intervening ourselves." Concrete proposals=

The wish list Snowden delivered on Sunday night at=
 IETF-93 includes quantum cryptography, a renewed DNS and especially the cl=
osure of universal global identifier in the network. After a video projecti=
on of the documentary film Citizenfour, the whistleblower, who is stuck in =
Moscow, answered the about one hour questions of engineers and campaigned f=
or the detachment of the "identity of the person" in the network.=
 The IETF developers acknowledged Snowdens participation with standing ovat=
ions.  "We need to separate permanently identity and person"=
, Snowden confirmed the about 500 participants of the IETF (really?). Perva=
sive encryption of content, as it could be reality in 15 or 20 years, doesn=
’t help if at the same time, metadata allow a monitoring and profilin=
g. "We kill based on metadata", Snowden quoted the ex-NSA Chief M=
ichael Hayden. Developers would have to enable users, to be in the net eith=
er a "Generic person, a non-person, or a completely anonymous person&q=
uot;. 
 
Priority of the user 
The whist=
leblower especially emphasized the primacy of the will of users and of fund=
amental rights on the net. The interests of governments, but also of compan=
ies in metadata should be secondary after public interest in secure unobser=
ved communications. The task of developers and administrators is "to s=
afely help on the network path".  Exactly this "network path=
" is currently the most dangerous area in the network. The used middle=
boxes and the installation of lawful interception, which barge in between u=
ser and destination address automatically create vulnerabilities, the ex-NS=
A analyst argued. We are already far away from the original ideal concept o=
f a stupid core/transport network and smart endpoints. "We now have ve=
ry dumb endpoints and a deadly core network", Snowden said. A signific=
ant risk would also be that dangerous technology, as the surveillance by un=
manned drones, will be commercially further developed by retiring experts a=
nd made market ready.
 <=
/p>
With technology against surveillance 
Snowden entered in his answers very specifically on t=
he work of the IETF and warned about the recently proposed idea to provide =
middle boxes through a new Protocol with the working title "Spud"=
 with some data, to prevent disconnections or deep packet inspection. His p=
lea for the restoration of end to-end principle - "the easiest path is=
 the best" - was applauded extensively by many IETF participants. Snow=
den hoped for the reduction of metadata by other IETF work, e.g. the effort=
 towards a more privacy friendly DNS including the developments of DANE and=
 DNSSEC. Finally, he advised IETF strongly to pay more attention to Quantum=
 Cryptography. Without encryption, which resists quantum computers of the f=
uture, powerful attackers such as the intelligence services could decrypt i=
n the future, what they have saved over many years.
 
So at least=
 with respect to the impact of Spud both sources have understood differentl=
y ;-) 
 
Maybe this helps
 
Best Regards
Dirk<=
o:p>
 
 
Hello Alex,
 
Perhaps too =
much to ask -- but is there a transcript available?
 
Regards,
Charlie P.
 
=

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Salz, Rich  wrote:

> I believe the organizers are working on getting a transcript and having
> Snowden review it.
>
> Publishing an audio or transcript without his permission would be ironic,
> but also really rude.
>
>
I asked the organizers (MNot and DKG specifically) to get Ed Snowden's
permission before posting the video. I believe that DKG went to some
lengths to make sure that all the impacted parties were ok with it... And
now it's posted on YouTube in the public domain (CC0 license).

I'm unaware of anybody trying to develop a transcript, but that would be
good news.* I do happen to have a much higher-quality audio recording of
most of the Q&A - but not the whole thing. So if somebody were to volunteer
to write a transcript, also subject to review by the organizers, then I'd
be happy to collaborate by providing additional source material.

Cheers,
-Benson

* - Good news for openness and discussion, even if we don't all agree with
all of his specific comments about protocols... ;)

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
I believe the organizers are w=
orking on getting a transcript and having Snowden review it.



Publishing an audio or transcript without his permission would be ironic, b=
ut also really rude.




I asked the organiz=
ers (MNot and DKG specifically) to get Ed Snowden's permission before p=
osting the video. I believe that DKG went to some lengths to make sure that=
 all the impacted parties were ok with it... And now it's posted on You=
Tube in the public domain (CC0 license).
I'm unaware of anybody trying to dev=
elop a transcript, but that would be good news.* I do happen to have a much=
 higher-quality audio recording of most of the Q&A - but not the whole =
thing. So if somebody were to volunteer to write a transcript, also subject=
 to review by the organizers, then I'd be happy to collaborate by provi=
ding additional source material.

=

Cheers,
-Benson<=
/div>

* - Go=
od news for openness and discussion, even if we don't all agree with al=
l of his specific comments about protocols... ;)




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On Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:55 AM, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote:

> Snowden entered in his answers very specifically on the work of the IETF =
and warned=20
> about the recently proposed idea to provide middle boxes through a new Pr=
otocol with=20
> the working title "Spud" with some data, to prevent disconnections or dee=
p packet=20
> inspection. His plea for the restoration of end to-end principle - "the e=
asiest path is the best" -=20
> was applauded extensively by many IETF participants.=20

Yes, that's what we heard. The Register's reporter got very confused, but t=
he German transcript is correct.

> Snowden hoped for the reduction of  metadata by other IETF work, e.g. the=
 effort towards a=20
> more privacy friendly DNS including the developments of DANE and DNSSEC.=
=20

Both DANE and DNSSEC can improve security, and help making sure that encryp=
tion works end-to-end. But the specific issue addressed here is the leakage=
 of meta-data in DNS queries, which is addressed by the QName minimization =
proposed in DNSOPS and by the proposed work for stub-to-recursive-resolver =
encryption in DPRIVE.

This was an answer to a question by Juan Carlos, and the general idea is th=
at we have to be concerned not just with encryption of content, but also wi=
th the leakage of meta-data at various layers in the stack. Snowden was for=
 example commenting on listening devices that record radio traffic. Imagine=
 drones circling abve cities and recording the IMSI of cell phones, or the =
MAC addresses used by the clients of Wi-Fi networks. That can lead to conti=
nuous tracking of devices and their owners -- and we should be doing someth=
ing about it.

-- Christian Huitema




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Hiya,

On 30/07/15 20:01, Christian Huitema wrote:
> This was an answer to a question by Juan Carlos, and the general idea
> is that we have to be concerned not just with encryption of content,
> but also with the leakage of meta-data at various layers in the
> stack. Snowden was for example commenting on listening devices that
> record radio traffic. Imagine drones circling abve cities and
> recording the IMSI of cell phones, or the MAC addresses used by the
> clients of Wi-Fi networks. That can lead to continuous tracking of
> devices and their owners -- and we should be doing something about
> it.

And luckily some of us (notably Christian! :-) [1,2,3] are trying to
tackle those meta-data issues. Which in most cases has to be done one
protocol at a time. Which means there's plenty of work to go around;-)

So if anyone has ideas about how to improve the privacy properties of
some IETF protocol in a similar fashion, best would be to send a
mail to perpass@ietf.org (*) which we're still using to triage pieces
of work like that. Ideally folks proposing we do stuff will have had
the energy to write an I-D and we can figure out how best to process
that. Processing such an I-D could pointing the authors to some WG
(such as the DNSOPS work on QNAME minimisation referred to earlier) or
AD sponsoring the draft when it's ready or we can form a new WG when
needed. All of those are possible, and have been done with previously
suggested work in this space, and we're entirely happy to do more of
that whenever sensible ideas are presented.

Cheers,
S.

(*) If you're shy or unsure, feel free to mail Kathleen or I first
and we can try help.

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-anonymity-profile
[2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huitema-privsec-harmfulname
[3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huitema-6man-random-addresses


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Another option is to get a transcription service to do it... we've
used https://castingwords.com/ in qualitative research I've done and
something like this would be US$200 or so. (It pains me to think of
Lisa's hands falling off typing so much!!! ::)

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Lisa Lorenzin
 wrote:
> If this process isn't already underway, I'm happy to make a first pass at=
 a transcript and provide to the organizers for review / correction. (I use=
d to transcribe phone conversations from recordings as a side job, so have =
some experience in this area, although I'm certainly not a professional!)
>
> Regards,
> Lisa
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bens=
on Schliesser
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> Subject: Re: [93attendees] Reminder: CITIZENFOUR screening *tomorrow* at =
7pm
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Salz, Rich  > wrote:
>
>
>         I believe the organizers are working on getting a transcript and =
having Snowden review it.
>
>         Publishing an audio or transcript without his permission would be=
 ironic, but also really rude.
>
>
>
>
> I asked the organizers (MNot and DKG specifically) to get Ed Snowden's pe=
rmission before posting the video. I believe that DKG went to some lengths =
to make sure that all the impacted parties were ok with it... And now it's =
posted on YouTube in the public domain (CC0 license).
>
> I'm unaware of anybody trying to develop a transcript, but that would be =
good news.* I do happen to have a much higher-quality audio recording of mo=
st of the Q&A - but not the whole thing. So if somebody were to volunteer t=
o write a transcript, also subject to review by the organizers, then I'd be=
 happy to collaborate by providing additional source material.
>
> Cheers,
> -Benson
>
> * - Good news for openness and discussion, even if we don't all agree wit=
h all of his specific comments about protocols... ;)
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I have encountered both a bill that had stamped SERVICE I=
S NOT INCLUDED and a spoken question when I swiped my credit card, "did you w=
ant to add anything? like service?" and I've only been here two days...
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On Fri, Jul 1=
7, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote=
:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Eri=
c Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:





In the same vein, we have to tip in addition to the plain bill.





I have been told by locals that a lot of places are trying to bring in a "ti=
pping culture" here. So lots of places will say "service not included", or e=
ven give you a hand-written note that adds 10% to the bill for a new total. T=
he locals also say that historically, there wasn't much tipping in Prague, a=
nd some feel that the restaurants are trying to trick tourists to tip.



He said historically things were generally just rounded up. He also said the=
re is a youtube group (?) shaming restaurants that try to trick tourists to t=
ip a lot or add 10% service fee.



Also, do not use the http://www.hopon-hopoff.cz/ . It's a total ripoff,=
 bad service, bad buses, read tripadvisor reviews of it (50% has given it th=
e lowest score). I noticed too late unfortunately.



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